Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build - <AUTHOR> https://www.sublimetext.com/ <comment><USER2> I feel that the comments here are too negative, which ST2/3 does not deserve. ST is still a supreme editor and using/paying for ST is not a bad thing. Wasn't it ST which introduced the cool look&feel and features which Atom and VSCode now adopted? I love the ST ctrl+d select (even if it existed before).

PLUS: ST still has a super quick loading time which makes it a great addition to emacs/vi in some use cases.

<comment><USER3> As a quibble, I would say that Visual Studio Code is unique in its own right, and not for any of its code editing features (which is comparatively lacking). It's a simple editor with a killer code insight feature. I have a feeling other editors will have difficulty replicating this feature.

<comment><USER4> What is the "code insight" feature? Is it an intellisense feature of VSCode?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I think the title of this should be updated, as it is not correct. The sublime text homepage has been displaying builds for sublime text 3 since mid February[0]

Sublime Text 3 is still in beta.

[0] [https://web.archive.org/web/20160211015747/http://www.sublim...](https://web.archive.org/web/20160211015747/http://www.sublimetext.com/)

<comment><USER6> This is correct, Sublime Text hasn't officially hit "3.0", but the current builds of Sublime Text 3 have been the reccomended versions to use for quite a while now, hence why the front page points to 3 rather than 2.

When 3.0 is out, there will be a blog post about it.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks Jon. My apologies; again, love your work.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I think ST3 really missed the boat. I used to love using Sublime Text 2 (occasionally I still do because it is fast), but I moved on when development stagnated and Jon seemingly disappeared off of the face of the planet, stopped responding to support requests and the like. There is no disputing ST is a great editor, but it has fallen behind in the face of Atom, Webstorm and Visual Studio Code (two of which are free).

<comment><USER8> Genuine question:

What do Atom and Visual Studio Code offer that Sublime Text doesn't?

I have tried both within the last year and wasn't able to find any significant advantages (except for VS Code's excellent TypeScript experience), but they both ran slower and used more memory. Perhaps I should have used Nuclide?

(Not asking about Webstorm because I've used the IntelliJ family of IDEs and understand their advantages)

<comment><USER9> I use Atom over Sublime Text solely for the Hydrogen plugin ([https://github.com/nteract/hydrogen](https://github.com/nteract/hydrogen)).

That plugins are written in javascript (larger developer base) and allows more customization of Atom (more open plugin api) also yields more niche plugins.

<comment><USER10> In these threads I see "larger developer base" when referring to javascript developers over python. I wonder if that's true, and by what margin.

For what it's worth I would imagine more javascript devs would write plugins for Atom than python developers would write plugins for Sublime Text.

<comment><USER11> These resources are by no means perfect, but they're the best I can think of off the top of my head:

[http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer- survey-2016#tech...](http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer- survey-2016#technology-top-tech-on-stack-overflow)

[https://github.com/blog/2047-language-trends-on- github](https://github.com/blog/2047-language-trends-on-github)

If anyone has anything better, we can refine our collective thinking.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Such a great piece of software. Fast, cross-platform, and extendible. No brainer purchase.

</comment><comment><USER13> No, still beta

"Sublime Text 3 is currently in beta. The latest build is 3114."

<comment><USER14> They feature version 3 on homepage now.

<comment><USER15> In addition to screenshot of version 2, in an impressive display of consistency :D

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> I'm not sure what all the missed-the-race type comments are all about – what does this even mean?

ST3 is a solid editor with what I consider a very healthy plugin eco system. I don't think there's a single feature I've _missed_ that so many seem to think are crucial to any reasonable development (web or otherwise) and its speed and accuracy is what keeps me as a customer. (Multi-file search and replace is a breeze, even in huge files.)

Worth every penny.

<comment><USER16> I forget to mention the fact that ST has saved my ass more than once by always keeping buffers persisted. This alone paid the price of admission several times over in not having to redo work when I've been a klutz.

<comment><USER17> in comparison both vscode and atom have crap statufulness, in my case they both crash every half hour and when you reopen them everything is gone, atom right now (1.7.3/4) has a bug that makes the editor crash some times when you save files, electron is all fun for customization but damn if it is unstable. Sublime been rocksolid no crash and 100% stateful.

<comment><USER16> I can't speak for the others because I have no experience, but definitely echo your Sublime experience. Even when it has crashed, and the only times I can recall have been on Windows, it's always kept state so not once have I lost work. This feature alone, as I mentioned, is worth the price of admission. It's a life saver.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> I went to download Sublime Text after refreshing my Windows 10 build, and noticed on the main page that 3 is now released. Build is 3114, dated May 12 2016 - this seems to now have been chosen as the RTM version.

There's been a flurry of updates lately and I'm very pleased to see that Jon Skinner has been able to reach this milestone, after some slower periods.

It's such a fantastic editor, one I've used for years; my previous was Textpad. I'll pay for the upgrade myself as soon as the site is updated with upgrade pricing, assuming that this will be an option.

</comment><comment><USER18> Make sure you check out all the wonderful packages available for Sublime Text 3 at [https://packagecontrol.io/](https://packagecontrol.io/)

</comment><comment><USER19> Maybe I'm biased but it seems like Sublime lost its huge margin in the "editor race". Occasionally I try to use Sublime, but the plugins are always lacking. For my needs, VSCode is already better with better plugins (C, Go, Python), and I'm more productive with it although it lacks some features in the editor itself. And it doesn't feel slower even though it's written in JS. Plus it's open source.

I hope the Sublime author will release it as open source, at least in some IntelliJ style freemium model. That might give it back the boost it needs.

<comment><USER20> Does VSCode have a plugin for C++ code completion yet? There are several for ST.

<comment><USER21> [https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/03/31/cc- extens...](https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/03/31/cc-extension- for-visual-studio-code/)

and afaik it has been updated just last week with new features

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Is there a quick rundown on new features from 2 to 3?

</comment><comment><USER23> I don't see any updated builds or blog post about this. Is it just because the homepage now links to ST3 instead? Because it's been that way for some time now, and the download label still says it's a beta.

Am I missing the real release? Could be a CDN issue?

<comment><USER24> No, there's nothing new. Someone posted the link to Sublime Text homepage and many people upvoted it when seeing the title, without first verifying the link pointed to an actual release. So it ended up getting a lot of upvotes.

The homepage links to ST3 as the default version to download, as it has for a few weeks/months now, that's not new. ST3 is still described as beta. The last release was on May 12.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> Why are modern text editors so slow? Here's an editor that I use from 1996 opening up a 1GB file of randomly generated bytes (dd if=/dev/urandom of=random_bytes.txt bs=64M count=16): [http://i.imgur.com/BVln6Y2.gif](http://i.imgur.com/BVln6Y2.gif) \-- it opens instantly and I can scrub to any point in the file with no delay. I've yet to find a modern editor that beats my 1996 one.

<comment><USER26> Modern editors are much more that file browsers. They do static analysis, syntax colouring, linting and many more things (depending on what plugins you have installed). I still like to open a plain vim and just focus on the task at hand without the magic, but that's just not how most web developers work these days.

<comment><USER27> But there's not really a good reason why these features can not be processed in the background, e.g. in separate threads. Personally I don't care much about the 1GB file scenario, but I've mentioned before how "booting" AROS (AmigaOS reimplementation) hosted under Linux, straight into an Amiga editor like FrexxEd (which does have syntax highlighting for example) is faster than starting Emacs on my home machine.

More importantly, a lot of this functionality is down to simply not thinking about consequences. E.g. try starting a typical Emacs installation on a box that has a network but where the DNS setup is broken, and enjoy waiting for DNS lookups to time out before it starts... (I'm sure there's an easy fix; I'll admit to being lazy and not having looked for how to prevent it and rather "just" fix my DNS when it's happened)

All to often "nice to have" functionality ends up in the critical path of startup rather than lazily initialize in the background.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> To add to the confusion: it seems that build 3114, released on May 12th, labeled beta originally, is now designated as the ST3 stable release.

</comment><comment><USER29> ST3 has been stable for a long long time. It's great that they finally flipped the switch and replace ST2 with it. This also forces developers to finally adapt the new API and Python3.

Just too bad this came too late. I got frustrated with the plugin API long ago and no-brainer features like multiple elements in the gutter (which is needed for example for relative line numbers) have still not been implemented.

When ST3 development seemed to have frozen completely, a lot of plugin developers have moved on to other platforms like atom or vscode. Even with this release, ST3 needs something bigger to bring people and plugin devs back to the platform.

Once my ST2 license stops working for ST3 I will open the editor a lot less than I currently do but will monitor the changelog for long wanted features.

</comment><comment><USER30> It´s featured on the front page and it´s the same build number but the download page /3 which is generally an indication that Sublime 3 is the active current version still calls Sublime Text 3 a beta. Slightly confused now, /2 which is the page for Sublime Text 2 says: Sublime Text 3 is currently in beta, and contains many improvements over Sublime Text 2. and links to Sublime Text 3. This seems confusing but My guess is it´s still in beta as per the information but perhaps deemed stable enough that you can use it. I will probably wait until a news post have been made declaring Sublime Text 3 as 1.0 release. While I continue to use a mixture of Sublime Text and Atom.

</comment><comment><USER31> I've never used any of those new editors (ST, Atom, VS Code, ...). Can anyone compare them to the more classic ultraedit? Or said differently: Why would I chose ST3 over one of the classic editors?

<comment><USER32> Atom and VS Code use the same basic underlying technology and are JavaScript under the hood. With both you can actually open up a chrome like web inspector to help you write and debug plugins. These editors are Open Source and funded by companies whose main source of income is not the editor, but have money (GitHub and Microsoft).

Sublime Text is an editor that brought a lot of new ideas that many editors now adopt (multiple cursors, minimap). It's written in native platform code + python 3. It is closed source and written by a small group of people. Their company only sells Sublime Text.

Personally I prefer intellij. I do use VS Code for text/non project editing but out of ST, VS Code and Atom I think ST is the better editor, it's future is just isn't certain but it's widely used and has a great eco system.

<comment><USER33> Actually multi cursor has been available in Gedit for several years... I really doubt that Sublime Text invented it.

<comment><USER32> I've used gedit, but I'm not familiar with multi-cursor implementation in it. I suppose I've always seen the multi-cursor implementation in Sublime Text as top-notch with other editors struggling to implement anything like it. Intellij finally has pretty decent multi-cursor support but it's still a little bit behind ST's. For example, in IntelliJ the ease of applying multiple cursors seems to involve more work than in ST. In VS Code multiple cursors isn't nearly well implemented as ST or even IntelliJ.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> Excellent. I look forward to giving Jon another $70 for ST4 beta support in a few months. One of the best purchases a programmer can make.

</comment><comment><USER35> I think it's fair enough to say that people should be using beta/dev builds, I've been using Sublime 3 for years (before switching to Atom a year ago) and there were just a handful of broken builds.

That said, as much as I like the quality of the app, I wouldn't hold my breath for version 4.

</comment><comment><USER36> Please correct title. The file linked to on the webpage is a 2 weeks old beta.

Sublime Text 3 has NOT been released.

</comment><comment><USER37> VSCode still lacks the ability to have multiple root-level folders in one "project". This is the only deal-breaker I still have that's keeping me from moving away from ST3.

I think Atom has some semblance of multiple roots, but it was a hack when I last checked.

</comment><comment><USER38> When Sublime Text 3 comes out of beta, they can have my money, please.

I've tried Atom and Brackets but 'Nope!'

</comment><comment><USER39> Is sublimetext as hackable(extensible) as emacs or atom?

<comment><USER40> It's not open-source, so generally, no.

Packages are in python, and most of those are open-source (and thus available as examples) so extending through packages is probably easy.

<comment><USER41> With Atom addons can also do a great deal of UI customization too, due to the fact that it is built on the web stack. You pay for it in performance though...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> Now if only I could afford it :D

<comment><USER43> I understand you're joking, but this is important. It's $70. I know that's a lot to some people, but if you're selling your time as a developer it's probably quite a lot less than 1/2 a day at your usual rate. For a tool that will save you _many_ days a year (and increase your bottomline as much), that's really cheap. If you were a designer and needed Adobe's tools you'd be paying much every month.

If you're using Sublime professionally you can afford it. You're choosing not to. That's fine because there are some great free alternatives to use instead, but you have no reason to complain.

<comment><USER44> While I agree with your general point, not everyone lives in places where 70 USD is 'only' half a day's salary.

I think some software products could sell more with regional pricing, if someone could crack reliable non-intrusive verification.

<comment><USER45> I think that is a bad idea in general to offer regional pricing. In fact by asking the same price you are fostering that people and business in poorer regions have more reasons to be brave and raise their rates accordingly, which helps with equality in the long term.

Actually all the companies that offer regional pricing do that with the hope that their overall revenue will be higher that if they don't. It is a short term decision that does not have anything to do with humanity.

That said, Sublime Text implements regional pricing with nagware. A larger percentage of devs in poorer countries will be in trial mode, happy that they do not have to pay or use a pirate version.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> Honestly I never used it because of its philosophy:

\- it's not open source (which is something bad nowadays for a text editor)

\- it's not really customizable (I must use my text editor all the day every day, I need an environment crafted on my needs)

\- it's not free (why should I pay for something that is available for free with Atom?)

\- it has python scripts... really? python? why?

<comment><USER46> >it's not open source

I'm glad it's not, because if it were open source, it'd look and feel like Windows 98 software (Notepad++). Open source serves developers, not users.

>it's not really customizable

How strange, cause my build is.

>it's not free

In the Winrar sense, yeah. You get an unintrusive popup in the background after a few saves.

>it has python scripts... really? python? why?

This one's kind of like an appeal to the current year in social issues. There's no substance to even respond to.

<comment><USER33> 1\. Open source serves developers, and I'm a developer (as all the Sublime Text users, I guess).

2\. I don't mean "change the syntax color", I mean, change every single pixel of its UI.

3\. it's not free, it means that IT'S NOT FREE, you can just evaluate it, and then you MUST buy it. If you are using it for anything more than evaluating, you are violating its license.

4\. seems fair, I don't really like python, and I think that JS based editors are much easier to hack and to develop plugins for.</comment></comment></comment>


Walmart's effort to get customers to build up their savings accounts - <AUTHOR> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/05/how-to-trick-people-into-saving-money/521421/?single_page=true <comment><USER2> Kind of fucked up that the article doesn't mention the fees associated with these cards until like 3/4 of the way into the article.

These cards charge 5 bucks a month, plus like 3 dollars to deposit cash, 3 dollars to withdraw cash, in addition to the 5-10 dollars up front for the card itself.

Because of this, a person using this type of card can easily spend $100+ a year on fees. Not exactly a great way to save money, and hardly better than overdrafts.

If at all possible, people in this sort of situation would be much better served by joining a credit union. While there are some drawbacks in terms of hours and atm availability, many CU's do not charge overdrafts and also have some form of atm reimbursement. This, along with the ability to deposit checks by snapping a pic with your phone make them a viable, and preferable alternative. Sadly, they are not as prominent, nor well advertised as the sort of cards peddled by Wal-mart, et. al.

<comment><USER3> Just read the article. It's $1 for the card and free cash withdrawal at a Wal- Mart banking center.

It is $5/mo for accounts with less than $1000, but you're not going to get better than that at a bank.

More importantly, they aren't pulling the overdraft scams that banks are. The example right here is that the customer in question pulled $100 in overdraft fees over a $4 purchase, with a traditional bank card.

<comment><USER4> What do you mean by "It is $5/mo for accounts with less than $1000, but you're not going to get better than that at a bank."? Aren't there lots of banks that charge nothing even if you only have <$1000?

<comment><USER5> A lot of banks got rid of their free or low cost checking accounts. Hard to find anything less than $12 per month when the balance is below $1500.

<comment><USER6> I wouldn't say it's hard, Wells Fargo has free checking for anyone with over $500/mo in direct deposits or makes 10+ debit card transactions per month. Even someone making part-time minimum wage can probably make the debit card requirements without an issue.

Every credit union in my area offers free draft accounts as well, just put the $25-100 member balance into savings and you're done.

<comment> shawn-butler You can't be seriously recommending Wells Fargo to any consumer are you?

They have proven to be a criminally fraudulent organization time and time again.

<comment><USER6> Some people can't afford to be overly picky with their bank, and I know at least one person who has been screwed by at least one of the big (US, consumer) banks (Bank of America, Chase, Citi, US Bank, Wells Fargo) - all of them suck.

For as awful as they are, Wells Fargo even has the "opportunity" checking account that gives people who have negative marks on ChexSystems a second chance at having a proper checking account. Compared to the awful re-loadable debit cards from Walmart, et. al, it's a great option and the monthly fee can be waived with 10 debit transactions per month or $500 in direct deposits.

Would I go out of my way to say I _LIKE_ Wells Fargo? Hell no, they've done tons of shady stuff - but compared to how US Bank has screwed over every one in my family at least once they've been at a "below average" level of suck.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Some may not realize this, but there is a YC backstory here.

Sam Altman's startup (Loopt) was acquired by Green Dot (the company behind the WMT Money Card) back in 2012.

Many of the GoBank features mentioned in the article (Stash/Vault, Fortune Teller) came directly from Steve Streit (Green Dot CEO), acqui-hired Loopt employees, backed up by IDEO research that was commissioned by Steve several months before the acquisition.

I was working there at the time Loopt was folded in, and was lucky enough to more or less report to Steve. I can tell you he really is deeply passionate about the underbanked community. I saw him fly into a fit of rage when a major outage prevented customers from accessing their funds for a brief time ("Don't f*ck with my customers' money!").

Say what you will about the fees, but these prepaid cards are a very convenient lifeline to many people who would otherwise be shut out of the system.

<comment><USER8> >these prepaid cards are a very convenient lifeline to many people who would otherwise be shut out of the system.

On that subject, an interesting result of that lack of access is the existence of subprime retail, Bluestem Brands being a big example. Companies like this were able to coexist with Amazon because they're willing to extend credit to people who can't get a debit/credit card to pay at Amazon. The tradeoff is, of course, higher prices (~30% price difference compared to Amazon in many cases). The increasing prevalence of prepaid cards is definitely a net positive in my opinion. It's reducing an artificial inefficiency in the market and helping those on the most precarious rungs of the economic ladder.

Disclosure: I currently work with Amazon and used to work with Bluestem. I don't speak for either.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> "living paycheck to paycheck is now a commonplace middle-class experience"

Gaslighting. They're in the poverty class but that sounds bad to people propagandized to believe they're middle class. You're not poor, you're just a temporarily inconvenienced millionaire and you should base all your political decisions and worldview on that rather peculiar belief.

They're middle class, the same way I'm upper class nobility because I was awarded a college degree complete with a title of "Bachelor of CS". Some guys are titled "Duke of York" some guys are titled "Bachelor of Computer Science" no big difference. I hold a title to property, sure its only an acre of suburb land not a hundred thousand acre barony, but whatevs, I'm practically landed nobility. Only people with a title as distinguished as mine are allowed to hold corporate positions such as mine, we can't have a mere untitled commoner writing programs now can we? Or would you prefer to hear a nice rant on who is the real nobility of the glorious and ancient title of "engineer" and who is a mere pretender to the throne?

USA is full of gaslighting top to bottom.

<comment><USER10> > They're middle class, the same way I'm upper class nobility because I was > awarded a college degree complete with a title of "Bachelor of CS"

I have a very hard time believing that anybody believes this

<comment><USER9> Talk to some engineers from a state country or culture that Engineer a title not a verb. They'll completely flip out at someone calling themselves an engineer without the royal title having been granted, merely because they're doing engineering (as a verb). Also some HR personnel outside tech are incredibly and stereotypically classist with respect to degrees being necessary for hiring. There's the attitude from K12 education system and most who believe themselves middle class about any career path not involving a college degree "Our kind don't become carpenters, can't you get a degree in wood-art or business and then build things?"

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> tricking people to save paltry sums of money meanwhile using the gains in interest to fund your company's most recent marketing campaign to trick people into buying more useless garbage they don't really _need_.

what's wrong with this picture? in any case, i suppose this is good -- in the same way a slave owner providing food and shelter is good for the slave. you even have to pay to deposit _and_ withdraw money.

<comment><USER12> I really hate arguments that derive from what a person "needs". Humans need amazingly little. Even when I was living below the poverty line I was bathed in the riches of my civilization, had high-speed internet, ate plentiful food, was clothed and had sheltered.

I've also worked in conditions where I lived in a 1/4th of a trailer with a half-height locker and whatever I could keep in my top bunk with me -- I shared the space with another adult. I had a few sets of clothes, a jacket, no internet or useful entertainment and 3 shipped in boxed cold, marginally nutritious meals per day. I didn't die and I'm sure I could lose many of those "luxuries" and still not die.

Once when my parents made some bad financial bets, we ended up homeless and living in a motel. It turns out a family of four really can live in space not much bigger than a foldaway bed, a small bathroom and a hotplate. Amazingly, even after months of this, none of us died. I'm sure we could have gone even more spartan if we had needed -- maybe share the bathroom with a few other rooms? Combined instant noodle hotplate cooking area with some of our neighbors? Why do we need heat, just wear more clothes! Don't need a/c, just wear less! Don't need heat or a/c, don't need electricity then, use a butane stove instead of a hotplate! I guarantee, we wouldn't die.

Humans _need_ remarkably little. Most humans would get along just fine with two sets of clothes, a marginal blanket and a decent cold meal of daily calories every day. And yes, they'd get along for quite a long time like that. It would be a wretched, terrible existence, but "need" doesn't leave room for pleasantries.

<comment><USER13> Your model of human needs isn't adequate for life in anything resembling a functional society, let alone a _developed_ society.

Defining 'human needs' as 'the minimum set of requirements not to die' isn't just laughable in that it's archaic to the point of being absurd, but it's also undermined by your narratives. Take your blinders off, and in each of your examples given here, you'll find that you were in all situations deeply dependent upon social goods (infrastructures and supply chains) that you've glossed over.

<comment><USER12> Humans don't need a developed society. That was never a qualification for "need". We got along just fine for hundreds of thousands of years without any sort of civilization at all thank you.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> The reason I have trouble saving is not because I am a weak-willed low-life as implied by this article. The reason is because there is not enough money to pay for things that I need, so I have to make difficult choices about what to go without. And choosing to save usually seems unwise when it means neglecting some other need.

<comment><USER15> Yes, exactly (and I don't believe the article implied what you said.)

People with low incomes make rational spending choices. By offering a financial incentive to use the vault, Wal-Mart is trying to make saving as attractive as another possible purchase. Borrowing your language, saving becomes a difficult choice instead of an easy choice not to save.

<comment><USER16> How do we define a rational choice that doesn't end up making the choice chosen always the rational one regardless of what the choice is?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> I'm just gonna bet that the amount of money Walmart makes in interest on those "vaults" is a lot more than the few thousand bucks they dole out monthly to random users...

<comment><USER18> So? The people targeted for this card are those who otherwise aren't saving anything. The same people would be subject to larger fees at a bank and get sub-1% rates on a savings account. They benefit from this program. Why should Walmart not see that hole in the market and exploit it? Isn't that what this community is all about?

<comment><USER19> Capital One 360 pays 0.20/0.75 APY (checking/savings respectively) with no fees or minimums (I'm sure others do too, I just happen to be a customer ^).

So... they are not benefiting. They are losing out on interest and a real bank account, and Walmart is seducing them to stay with a lottery.

<comment><USER20> Capital One 360 is for people with better credit than the folks in the article have. If you have means then you get better investments. Heck, a lot of the people in the article are rejected just trying to open a bank account.

AmEx allow direct deposit to their Bluebird card which is another Walmart card.

<comment><USER21> > Capital One 360 is for people with better credit than the folks in the > article have.

They don't pull your credit to open an account, so I don't see how that's true. I've had one since I was 18 (and had no credit history to speak of).

<comment><USER22> I'm sure they pull chexsystems.

<comment><USER21> ChexSystems is different than a credit report. They can clear you even if you don't have any credit or have bad credit.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> Slighlty offtopic - but why are not debit cards popular in US. A card in which you put money and withdraw/pay untill they ran out. No overdraft/credit/direct debit bullshit to be concerned with.

They are perfect solutions for the poor and underbanked... whatever that means. Small fees, small charges, impossible to rack gazzilion dollars in penalty fees.

<comment><USER24> The whole idea of being 'unbanked' or 'underbanked' is so foreign to me (as an Australian). The whole state of banking just seems so antiquated in the US...

I'm 26, and I've never written a cheque. Public schools over here have (or at least had, not sure how it works today) programs where every student would get a bank account in the first grade with no fees (until they finished study). You'd actually bring in your bank book and deposit money (you did have to visit the branch to withdraw with a parent to sign for it). Once you reached 13 years, you could get a debit card (this was 2003 for me), and then I got Internet banking when it started getting popular in 2006 (I was in the 10th grade). Internet transfers have pretty much always been free and are usually overnight (or immediate if it's to another account at the same bank).

By the time I graduated University, and would have had to start paying fees, the state of bank competition meant that it was pretty rare for any personal banking to charge fees. I now have three personal transaction ('checking') accounts and two savings accounts across two different banks, and none of them charge fees (My company account is the exception, at $10 a month).

Pretty much everybody here has bank accounts, so cheques are pretty much unheard of (mostly used by people over 60), everybody is paid into bank accounts, you pay taxes and bills electronically, etc... Surely it's similar in Europe? The US just seems like a different world.

<comment><USER25> > _Public schools over here have... programs where every student would get a > bank account in the first grade with no fees_

I think those are actually promotional programs run by the banks (but I agree they're a good thing). I'm 10 years older, but we were all given Commonwealth Bank Dollarmites accounts. There's more info on the Dollarmites program here, apparently schools get affiliate fees & commissions for every deposit the children make ($5 for every account opened, 5% commission on every deposit):

[https://www.commbank.com.au/personal/kids/school- banking.htm...](https://www.commbank.com.au/personal/kids/school-banking.html)

> _the state of bank competition meant that it was pretty rare for any > personal banking to charge fees_

That might have changed, last time I checked the major Australian banks all (except NAB) charged a $5 monthly fee, unless you agreed to setup an automatic monthly deposit of at least $2000. You used to be able to get fee-free accounts so long as you maintained a minimum balance level.

<comment><USER26> > _Commonwealth Bank Dollarmites_

I still have the plastic piggy-bank somewhere (and a Fat Cat one, to really date myself).

By the time I went to uni, I had enough saved for a brand new Pentium Celeron system. It sure helped that interest rates were 10-15%…

<comment><USER25> > _I still have the plastic piggy-bank somewhere (and a Fat Cat one, to really > date myself)._

We're probably a similar age, I met Fat Cat on an Ansett flight once ;)

But clearly customer acquisition at a young age is huge for banks - I'm part of a focus group for Westpac, and recently they tested several different designs for piggy banks.

(Another initiative is already public, where they've giving $200 to every child born in Australia this year. Catch is, the parents have to open a Westpac account to claim it, and the money can't be withdrawn until the child turns 18.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> >Walmart sells the card for $1, and Green Dot charges the usual associated fees: $5 a month if your balance is less than $1,000; $2.50 for ATM withdrawals; etc.

This is absolutely not how one should encourage people to save. This is Walmart trying to steal business from local banks/and or provide banking services to people in rural locations. Personally, I think Walmart should offer this at zero-cost to help their customers live with less financial vulnerability (and thus shop more at Walmart).

Full disclosure: I work at a startup that's using prize-linked savings to help encourage people to save money, but we don't charge a monthly-fee and we actually give our users interest on top of what they win.

<comment><USER28> "Steal business from local banks.."

Ok if the local banks are serving their communities well then why would Wal Mart even have a market opportunity here? Clearly local banks aren't serving the community or else Wal Mart's efforts would be redundant.

<comment><USER27> What I'm trying to say is that Walmart isn't actually providing much value over the local bank, as the consumer costs are astronomical in comparison to the average account balance. The whole notion that they're helping the person "save" while charging these fees is ludicrous; and this is what the article is purporting.

You are correct though, local banks aren't necessarily helping people save either, especially those who are living paycheck to paycheck.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> Did I just read an ad for Walmart?

</comment><comment><USER30> I load cards often and will make this surprising statement.

Many regulars that load already save. Cash. They need a card for certain purchases. They load the exact amount.

They load sometimes, with a debit card- which signals a bank account.

They purchase other items with cash and govt assistance debit card. They save their cash...

All the loadable cards (bluebird, visas, vanilla, greendot, etc) are only a part of a families toolchest of payment options.

The image of the totally poor person loading a card is not my reality.

</comment><comment><USER31> Walmart's idea of winning cash based on savings deposit amounts reminded me of the Freakonomics savings lottery from the 2010 podcast: [http://freakonomics.com/podcast/freakonomics-radio-could- a-l...](http://freakonomics.com/podcast/freakonomics-radio-could-a-lottery-be- the-answer-to-americas-poor-savings-rate/)

</comment><comment><USER32> > living paycheck to paycheck is now a commonplace middle-class experience

The article states this as fact. Seems wholly bogus, but perhaps I define middle class weirdly. I think of it as robust stability moreso than income earned. Anyone know a plausible source for the assertion?

<comment><USER33> The middle class in America average about $50k in household income ($25k each).

Regardless of income, by definition, the middle class should always average out to basically break even unless we are in periods of rapid growth. This should happen because their willingness to pay for food and shelter is determined by what they make and eventually prices will catch up to income if income doesnt grow.

I imagine the concept I describe can better be explained by an economist.

<comment><USER21> That's under the assumption that people don't want to save any money.

<comment><USER9> Its also under the assumption that a socioeconomic class that never amounted to more than 1% of a population historically, after temporarily booming in population, somehow isn't going to go away or back to historical norms. Sure the middle class can't disappear, just 75% of the population in manual labor factory jobs can't just disappear. Something can't happen because it would disturb my carefully crafted worldview. Sure.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> The mentioned lottery savings bonds: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_Bonds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_Bonds)

</comment><comment><USER35> "...after a $4 check she wrote to buy coffee for herself and a friend tipped her checking account below the required minimum..."

How are people using checks to pay for coffee? I haven't been able to use a personal check for anything other than rent during my entire adult life.

</comment><comment><USER36> Square Cash has made a really interesting play at the underbanked market too, with its virtual debit card. But without all of the borderline predatory fees.

</comment><comment><USER37> having banked with simple.com (now backed by BBVA Compass Bank) I cant imagine how a prepaid Visa card can be better, with all the fees associated.

</comment><comment><USER38> i really hope HN would fix the duplicate posting issue someday soon.

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14187418](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14187418)

</comment><comment><USER9> I know we're all pretty wealthy here on HN and only a very small fraction of us like myself were ever poor (I was dirt poor in my uni years, where to park the Ferrari while I was in the luxury dorms was not a problem for me, LOL).

The point I'm making is has anyone here, anyone, used this?

Because I have some questions. At my employer they get a commission for signing up which comes out of the fees and my employer likes money, so they have tables at the care fair and had salespeople visit each department trying to convince us to let them pay us via a highly fee'd VISA networked debit card instead of "old fashioned" direct deposit to my checking account.

But what I don't understand, and probably should have asked the HR lady and salesperson when they put on the show, is how does this even work day to day? Like I probably don't spend more than $1K retail in total per month, mostly food. And I usually spend on average less than $1K per month online shopping (computer hardware, clothes, just "stuff"). Most of my pay goes into non- credit payable bills. I have a bunch of bills that do ACH direct withdraw from my checking, I hand write 5 paper checks per year, 4 to the water utility that won't online or direct bill because their whole system is like something out of the 60s, and 1 to city property tax but I must pay 5 or 10 bills per month using checking. I'm old enough that I remember in the 90s writing like 10-20 checks per month, now I write like 5 per year LOL, I have two boxes of blank checks which absent the Singularity means I literally have a supply for the rest of my natural lifetime.

I don't even ... how do you ... so lets say you've got a prepaid VISA with say $15K to $20K added per month. OK. Now how does one pay rent when my bachelor pad only accepted checks? All that stuff, none of it accepts credit card payment. I don't even know how I'd pay my water bill. I could mail them a money order if I could get a money order using a VISA card but I don't think that's allowed. I sweep money to an investing account once in awhile and for better or worse the brokerage won't let you gamble by paying via credit card.

My local independent chain supermarket doesn't even accept credit cards because of processing fees, so I'd have to withdraw cash from the (pay) ATM then pay cash for my food, so I couldn't even directly pay for food. Or I'd have to buy all my food at the gas station convenience store which sells no produce nothing fresh, only cooked hot hot dogs and pop tarts, but does accept credit cards? The weekly farmers market is cash only.

How do those cards work in practice for adults with adult expenses? Being poor is apparently very complicated. I can't pay most of my bills with one of those cards, at least not as I understand how they work.

<comment><USER39> I don't know where you live, but I think in the US your experience is unusual. Rent is the only significant expense I ever have that can't be paid with a credit or debit card. I do use cash sometimes, it's still the easiest way to give money to a friend or to buy something from a yard sale, but it's very rarely necessary.

</comment></comment><comment><USER40> It's probably less about making them build up their savings, and more about Walmart getting the poor to loan them money interest free, as well as pay them for the privilege through fees if they aren't smart.</comment>


Philip Zimbardo (Stanford Prison Study): 21st Century Enlightenment - <AUTHOR> http://www.youtube.com/user/theRSAorg

<comment><USER2> This is interesting - and I always love the RSA hand-illustrated lectures.

This is the first time I've seen a mistake in one, though: notice that at 0:59, Zimbardo clearly says that "hedonistic" people "seek NOVELTY," but the artist transcribes that as "seek KNOWLEDGE." Pretty big difference, I think - heh.

<comment><USER3> Oh, thank you for identifying that error. I had actually already internalized it as knowledge. Leaving it that way would have been bad.

<comment><AUTHOR> Same here, although since knowledge seeking is a subset of novelty seeking I don't think the meaning is changed too much.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> He mentioned that near the equator, people tend to adopt a lifestyle less focused on planning, and later that our schooling is designed for planners. I found this interesting, since a while back, in the Finland's schools thread [1], I (tried to) claim some success might be attributable to climate and was respectfully disagreed with.

Now, I'm not at all certain about the strength of the link to education, but I still believe that geography and society have a strong connection that isn't entirely explained by cultural diffusion, so it was nice to know someone had studied it in some form and found same.

[1] <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1249852>

<comment><USER5> _He mentioned that near the equator, people tend to adopt a lifestyle less focused on planning_

I didn't watch the video, but has this guy never been to Singapore?</comment></comment>


Ask HN: Best domain for an NGO/journalist Security App? - <AUTHOR>

Hi there,
I am currently in the process of developing a mobile security application for NGOs, human rights defenders, activists and aid workers. It will be called "Security First"
As regards domain names for the project, what does the collective genuine of HN think works better?
-www.secfirst.org -www.mysecurityfirst.org
Thanks. <comment><USER2> I'd point out that "security first" might mean something to you, but not necessarily to NGOs, human rights defenders and activists. It is a good goal for the project, but I think the name doesn't mean anything and will be crowded out of search results since it's an overly general name.

Instead, pick something unique and if possible, related to the area you're working on. So if NGO Worker A mentions it to Human Rights Defender B, they have a reasonable chance of success finding it via a Google Search.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks. Good advice.</comment></comment>


Ask HN: What alternatives to the ELK stack are there? - <AUTHOR> I'm looking for a simple logging visualisation/analysis tool to run on a light server (512MB, 1 CPU). Installing the ELK stack is too much for this I think, and I was wondering what alternatives are available? <comment><USER2> From what I know, there is Splunk, which is paid software and I don't know how's its memory requirements, and there's several hosted solutions (Loggly, Papertrail, Sumo Logic). There's also Graylog, but it not only requires ElasticSearch, but also MongoDB, which is worse than just ES.

And pretty much that's it, the whole log aggregation landscape. It bothers me that there's no good open alternative to ElasticSearch, which is only so-so regarding its stability (in operations and in backward compatibility between versions).</comment>


Sources of angel funding for industries other than software? - <AUTHOR>

Most of the VC active on the web are investors in software generally, and Internet startups specifically. It's also pretty easy to find green technology and resource scarcity investors. This hardly covers the entrepreneurial spectrum, however.
How do you find the angels and other VC who don't specialize in these niches? Specifically I'm looking for media angels specifically, but the question is applicable across many other industries as well. In my particular case, it's a product that an organization buys, as opposed to content monetized indirectly.
How might I go about finding such an angel? It'd be a very small investment ($50K max), which limits my options further as most angels are looking for $100K min, FWIS. <comment><USER2> try <http://www.filmfinancing.org/> \- they stage small meetups in NY, SF and LA (mainly the big 2), which usually attract 10-20 indie producers and several current or prospective investors. The small size makes networking pleasant and painless.</comment>


How to signal an already running process whenever some file is renamed - <AUTHOR>

I am working on a project to manage files. The idea is to transfer information about a file's location through file name itself. So, whenever a user renames a file, the process will scan the filename and move it to the desired location. But I don't know how to signal the process whenever any file is renamed. <comment><USER2> Isn't this the kind of thing that FAM was invented for?

<http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_alteration_monitor>

(Or specific things like inotify on Linux: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify> )

<comment><USER2> (as in your process monitors the directory itself and picks up the renames without having to be signalled by another process - although you could just give it a SIGHUP when another process using FAM/inotify notices the rename but why complexify things?)

<comment><AUTHOR> But then, process will have to continuously keep a check on the directory. So, the time interval will need to be figured out for the process to wake up and check the directory for the renames.</comment></comment></comment>


Using IMDb data for Netflix Prize - <AUTHOR> http://glinden.blogspot.com/2008/03/using-imdb-data-for-netflix-prize.html

<comment><USER2> Why is it of interest that someone now writes this on his blog? From the start of the Netflix prize, there were countless assertions and refutations that movie information would be helpful for better predictions. You can read all about it in the Netflix prize forum. <http://www.netflixprize.com/community/>

</comment><comment><USER3> This post makes the good point that companies would have far better return if they look for ways to collect better input data rather than poring all the effort into getting minuscule improvements from the generic recommendation algorithms.

</comment><comment><USER4> I look at how IMDb treats their data and laugh. It's basically an excuse for an API of 1990. This makes their system look like a big wooden network of pulleys and ropes. And I thought it was an Amazon company...

<comment><USER5> I know. They do allow you to download a version of their database in text file format.

A better option is to use PyIMBD: <http://imdbpy.sourceforge.net/>

It's a decent API wrapper written in Python. I've messed around with it some. It's pretty cool. Although the licensing terms from the IMDB's webite were pretty strict, I thought. Basically, if you used their data for anything resembling profit, (i.e. the Netflix prize) you've violated the TOS.</comment></comment>


DeepLearning.AI: Explore the frontier of AI - <AUTHOR> https://www.deeplearning.ai <comment><USER2> Already posted: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14623278](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14623278)

Also, there is pretty much no information on the page. This seems like a very boring submission.</comment>


Prefix or Posthack - <AUTHOR> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/prefix-or-posthack/ <comment><USER2> I can't upvote this enough.

A very specific example is this: <http://basicio.com/snippets/moz_border_radius/>. I ran into this issue a while ago when I was playing around with CSS3. Firefox does some _really_ strange things with multi-colored borders and border-radius.

</comment><comment><USER3> I love ALA. And, at the end of it all, was pleasantly surprised to see it was Eric Meyer who wrote this (didn't bother to read the byline).

Of course, I did suddenly feel old when he was talking about the Box Model hack as if it was something old... and then I thought back.</comment>


Would you delay your education for a startup? - <AUTHOR>

<comment><AUTHOR> How strong must a business plan/startup be before you would consider delaying your undergraduate education by a semester (possibly indefinitely) for the sake of pursuing the opportunity? To narrow this down, assume you're a sophomore in a well-known college and it's a 6-7 person startup with plenty of big-name backing (no, of course this doesn't apply to a real-world situation I'm in :-D).

<comment><USER2> The startup might delay your schooling, but it's an accelerated education.</comment></comment>


Byte Magazine: Future Computers (1981) - <AUTHOR> https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1981-04 <comment><USER3> I really miss Byte. I used to read it all the time. They had many diverse articles in it, not just about computers in general. For instance, Byte was where I first learned about Pixar's Renderman. They also had positive coverage of the Amiga.

</comment><comment><USER4> Wow - I am surprised and delighted to see an article on recurrence relations with an implementation for Bessel functions. They don't make 'em like this anymore!

<comment><USER5> Byte was an unusual mix of hands-on EE with soldering, marketing hype, tinkering-level programming, with occasional undergrad or even grad-level CS.

Also thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of ads.

<comment><USER6> Those ads were how you kept current in those days. Between the big computer trade shows there was a gap of 6 to 9 months, the only way the news would trickle out was through the ads and articles and there were many more ads than articles. And they were a great source of inspiration too, if you couldn't afford what was advertised you could at least try to build it.

<comment><USER7> Look at Computer Shopper. People actually paid for it even though the editorial content was lightweight at best.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> I wish I had more time to thumb through this whole magazine page by page. Some interesting things I noticed in the first 100 pages or so: A Microsoft CP/M Z80 board for the Apple II; A 5.25" Floppy drive: A BARGAIN at $479 (About $1300 in today's currency) and a full 2 page CompuServe advertisement which included pictures of their data center, complete with major Big Iron.

<comment><USER9> Yeah I noticed CompuServe was just $5/hr, plus your call charges I guess.

<comment><USER10> Sure, but they've got the Colossal Cave Adventure game on there, and there's always one more twisty little passage to explore, and before you know it, you've blown through $100 in connect charges, even though you're a poor college student. Not that I'd know anything about that, I swear!

I miss the 80s, too. Such a great time to get in on the ground floor of the technology wave. And spend money I couldn't afford to spend.

<comment><USER11> > Such a great time to get in on the ground floor of the technology wave.

I coulda been a billionaire if I'd done things slightly differently!

<comment><USER12> Being Bill Gates, John Carmack or Steve Jobs is not "doing things slightly differently."

<comment><USER11> John Carmack is special. He's a programmer's programmer. He did so much I never could have done. I never think "I coulda written DOOM!"

But BASIC, DOS, etc., were fairly straightforward. The magic there was recognizing the opportunity. Maybe I would have failed to execute that properly that as a businessman, who knows, but failing to see the opportunity was where things went into the ditch. Note that Jobs took a while to learn how to run a business. The Apple II made so much money it gave him runway to learn.

<comment><USER12> Well, point is, even with the hindsight I still don't know if I could make a billion trying to sell DOS. (Maybe it does take being Gates.)

<comment><USER13> It only takes monopoly power, and enough evil to apply it absolutely.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> The entire archive of Byte Magazine.

[https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine](https://archive.org/details/byte- magazine)

</comment><comment><USER9> Looks like inflation makes $1 in 1982 about $2.67 today. [https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1982?amount=1](https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1982?amount=1)

So the Apple II+ were $4000+ in today's money. Still doesn't make the new Mac Pro look reasonable. :)

Those 80 column mono-color screens though, nice.

<comment><USER15> > So the Apple II+ were $4000+ in today's money. Still doesn't make the new > Mac Pro look reasonable. :)

A rich hierarchy of professional-grade desktop-ish-sized computers no longer exists because the PC architecture replaced everything.

The Mac Pro is the modern equivalent of an SGI workstation or - if we're talking late 1970s, when the Apple II was introduced - maybe a DEC VAX - <USER2> of which could cost up to a quarter million dollars.

It's actually unbelievable how cheap the Mac Pro is if you think in those terms.

<comment><USER16> SGI workstations had software that only ran on SGI workstations, they had hardware that did things that consumer PCs just didn't (like 3D hardware before that became a consumer item)

The Mac Pro isn't different enough to categorize it along the lines of SGI. It doesn't run software that regular Macs don't, it doesn't have any particularly special hardware, it's "prosumer" equipment, not "professional" in the sense that SGI and similar were. In other words, it's a PC.

That's not a bad thing, by the way; we all have amazing computers now, and we should be glad.

<comment><USER15> > it's "prosumer" equipment, not "professional" in the sense that SGI and > similar were

Does the average consumer purchase a Mac Pro? No. Is the Mac Pro being used in every professional setting previously dominated by SGI? Yes.

> The Mac Pro isn't different enough to categorize it along the lines of SGI.

Uniqueness of architecture is orthogonal to the argument - which is that the cost of handling professional-grade workloads on the desktop is lower than ever.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> Please turn to page 170 and enjoy the best ad ever published, for game publishing house Crystal Computer.

I'd love to play "Galactic Quest" the self-proclaimed "ultimate space adventure" in which "Vegan warships attack and fire in real time simulation"

The artwork used in the ad reminds me of concert posters for 80's high school bands.

<comment><USER18> Didn't know that word existed back then. I do remember a console game we joked about called, "advanced communist mutants from space!"

<comment><USER19> "Vegan" in this context means warships from the star system Vega, not self- imposed herbivores.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> Thanks so much for posting this link. The ads in the back pages bring me back to the early 80's and remind me where we came from (acoustic modems, 16K ram) to today. Geez, I feel so old...

</comment><comment><USER6> How many of the companies named in those ads are still around in one form or another?

Mine goes back to 1986, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these are still around today.

<comment><USER3> Well, there was an ad for the Apple II in there. "Now with upper/lower case!"

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> I picked up a collection of several hundred byte magazines the other day going back to 1984.

<comment><USER22> Did you check if all of them are on the IA already? The archive collection seems to have some weird gaps where random issues appear to be missing, while others have been scanned and uploaded multiple times. The metadata are also not perfect for some reason, so it's hard to search for an issue in the whole collection.

<comment><USER23> I think I have a physical copy of one with a bad scan; suggestions on scanning? I'm in San Francisco.

<comment><USER22> These days you can "scan" magazines and books with great results simply by taking photos of the pages with a high-quality digital camera. (This is a method of "scanning" which used to be reserved for rare and valuable artifacts, but has now become quite feasible in general.) There's even software like Hugin that will help merge multiple photos of a page into a single image, while correcting for distortion.

<comment><USER7> >"great results"

Sort of. You can get a pretty functional copy by just opening it up on your dining room table. (Though magazines are more likely to stay wide open than books are.) An evenly lit and flat to the spine copy probably requires some sort of copy stand.

At times I've thought of buying or making one but concluded it wasn't worth the effort to me.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> That issue has a article about "building your own Turing machine".

</comment><comment><USER25> Pg. 211 - Battelle Labs researching Credit Cards with built-in microchips. 1981. Guess sometimes adoption is ... slow

<comment><USER26> Friend of mine in the mid 1980's did some PCB layout work for some guys that wanted to put RF ID's on products to replace barcodes. The idea was you just roll your shopping cart past a reader station. He said they got it sort of working. Worked but the cost was too high. And the reader RF power was way too high.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> They don't remove hidden lines like that anymore, do they? Nor do they solve Go quite the same way.

<comment><USER28> The pages on programming of Go is a surprise good read.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> upvoting for the reminder to revisit all the great Byte cover art -- I mean, there were a lot of giant black floppy disks flying around back in the day!

</comment><comment><USER24> Check out the black-hole diode on page 362.</comment>


How To Persuade and Motivate Without Uttering a Word - <AUTHOR> http://www.addictionandsubtraction.com/how-to-persuade-and-motivate-without-uttering-a-word/

<comment><USER2> This entire blog seems like it's platitudes for motivational speakers to memorize, or perhaps for television anchors to make sure you stay tuned in.

TO BREAK BAD HABITS, BE THE LION

THE STALLING TACTIC THAT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE

Just be a zebra[1].

[1] <http://dresdencodak.com/2006/03/23/be-a-zebra/>

</comment><comment><USER3> I'm having a hard time with the line, each detail was hand-painted.

Most paintings have this feature.

<comment><USER4> Especially the hand-painted ones.

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Why would someone give a painting featuring a torpedo boat to a man who has never been in a rowboat? What an odd wedding gift and what an odd choice to leave it hanging for so many years.

<comment><USER6> It's art.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Just please, please, do not use the standard "motivator" posters at my workplace.

<comment><USER2> What if they're hand-painted?

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> Sounds a bit like the Osmosis Advertising Technique, where you pay for your products to show up as pervasive background elements in movies and TV and wherever else you can so people start to associate them with whatever's going on.

</comment><comment><USER9> My reaction to this story about a painting of Navy torpedo boat influencing someone to join the Navy?

That very old Saturday Night Live skit:

 _[opening scene of Navy ships in port]

Announcer: Port of call, Bayonne, New Jersey.

[Navy men are seen doing laundry]

The Navy Adventure.

[as background music plays, scenes show Navy workers performing various activities: mopping a floor, peeling potatoes, cooking and serving cafeteria food, scrubbing toilets, chipping paint off of an old ship wall, fastening chains on a ship, mopping the ship, tarring a ship floor, and sitting in a room watching TV ]

The Navy. See your local recruiter or call toll free.

[final image shows phone number 311-555-5000 against a man with a mop and bucket - the motto is also shown:]

It's not just a job, it's $96.78 a week._</comment>


Twitter Just Permanently Suspended Conservative Writer Milo Yiannopoulos - <AUTHOR> https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/twitter-just-permanently-suspended-conservative-writer-milo?utm_term=.gw85D2JjAx#.jgl15YZ86e <comment><USER2> Free speech is vitally important, but this decision has nothing to do with it. Yiannopoulos can still speak and write in many other public places, including any public part of the US, his own personal blog, and any other unrestricted platform (such as Facebook).

Twitter is selling a product, and they have a right to decide what kind of product it is. They have a right to decide what their brand is connected to. If you argue that free speech requires private companies to be neutral toward everyone who wants to use them as a medium, you're also arguing that newspapers must publish any editorials that are sent to them. You're arguing that TV networks accept all ads, no matter how repugnant, and that phone carriers allow stalkers to contact anyone they wish.

People should be willing to die to defend free speech, but let's also be clear on what is and isn't actually an attack on free speech. Yiannopoulos is a troll, and Twitter (in the interest of their shareholders) should have started banning people like him a long time ago.

<comment><USER3> hmmm.... It certainly has nothing to do with the first amendment protections since twitter is a private company, but - at least from my POV - it does have to do with censorship, bias, and, depending on how you define it, free speech.

<comment><USER4> I'd like to posit this scenario to everyone, and hear your responses:

A privately-held telecom provider (i.e. utility) disagrees with my political views. As a result my internet service is terminated.

Let's agree the definition of a public utility is "Furnishes an everyday necessity to the public at large".

Has the provider restricted my First Amendment right?

At what point (if ever) would you consider Facebook/LinkedIn/Twitter public utilities?

<comment><USER5> In your scenario: Yes.

Is Twitter or any other application layer non-government service on the internet a utility? No.

So is this what happened? No.

They didn't ban him for his political views, nor are they a utility.

<comment><USER6> They did ban him for his political views. But it's clever how you snuck in that one subjective statement into an otherwise objective line of reasoning.

<comment><USER7> > They did ban him for his political views.

No, they banned him for soliciting harassment, not for the views which motivated the solicitation of the harassment.

<comment><USER6> That policy is used to silence dissenting opinion. Don't spread this PR. It's equivalent to police claiming they detained you for a broken tail light. Dorsey and his Saudi owners are on a purge.

<comment><USER8> You have it backwards.

I believe you are referring to twitter being used to silence a dissenting opinion when you said "that policy", in reference to Nero. I actually think it's the other way, the bullying sent toward the SNL actresses' way, the sexist and homophobic comments, those were actually meant to silence a dissenting view, someone those people did not like.

Stopping bullying is a good thing. No good comes from bullying someone you don't like.

<comment><USER6> Nero's alt-right followers "actually meant" to ridicule her. Twitter actually silenced him.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Everything and everyone the left disagrees with now gets labeled as "hate" and increasingly gets flagged and then banned. Why is the left so afraid of a debate?

<comment><USER9> What debate was involved here?

<comment><USER10> The debate that's been unfolding for a couple months about the Ghostbusters movie as leftist propaganda.

<comment><USER11> And what part of that debate was calling Leslie Jones an ape?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> A private company can do whatever they want on their platform. The problem I have is that they pretend that they are unbiased arbiters, when history suggests otherwise.

I also have a problem with this as Twitter investor (I'm a huge critic of Twitter, if you look at my history; and I'm specifically an investor hoping for someone to just buy the company and fire Jack and his team.) I don't know how to balance the harassment policies (which I think should be enforced in some cases) and free speech.

I think free speech is vital to the success of any social media platform. I also know the tendencies of internet trolls is that if you come at them, they often go much harder towards you. It would make more sense if you could auto- block mentions that contain keywords, almost like a spam filter. Basically filter bubbles or groups/channels, with the ability to see unfiltered mentions. I really do not think this solves the problem, as we saw with Reddit, 4Chan, 8Chan, (or basically any forum that has operated since the early 2000s) etc.

When Reddit started mass banning people and subreddits it saw a huge uptick of "shitposts," eventually a lot of those people formed "The_Donald" and now they basically control most of the front page, and have for months. Banning in many instances can give the banned users a much louder voice, especially if they have any sort of movement or following behind them. I think anyone with experience in online forums dating back to the early 2000s knows this to be true. Forum "fallouts" happen often, and usually occur after a significant ban or power grab...it often ends up killing the platform or community. I don't think social media platforms are any different.

I fear unless Jack and many others are removed from the company, it will become like a Yahoo, with core assets that are marked as virtually worthless and no one willing to buy and catch the falling knife.

</comment><comment><USER13> About damn time. It's a shame that it took him & his followers harassing a celebrity to get this done, given how many people they've threatened before, but hardly surprising.

<comment><USER3> Really, who has Milo threatened?

<comment><USER2> 1) GP said "they've threatened", which referred to the followers, rather than Yiannopoulos himself.

2) It's possible to inspire your followers to threaten people without making a threat yourself. Yiannopoulos has painted groups he dislikes (feminists, Muslims, etc.) as threatening and dangerous to his followers, which is a tacit justification of violence and threats against them.

<comment><USER3> #1 Was anyone actually threatened or just insulted and, regardless, what does that have to do with Milo?

#2 Very tenuous justification there. One that twitter certainly doesn't hold other groups to.

<comment><USER2> > _#1 Was anyone actually threatened or just insulted and, regardless, what > does that have to do with Milo?_

His followers have threatened some horrific stuff to lots of people, especially during the height of GamerGate harassment. It has to do with Yiannopoulos only if he intended to create those reactions among his followers, which I (and others) suspect he did. We'll never know for sure.

> _#2 Very tenuous justification there. One that twitter certainly doesn 't > hold other groups to._

Agreed. Perhaps Yiannopoulos has grounds to sue Twitter for unfair treatment. I doubt it, though IANAL.

In this case, Twitter may not be using "inciting followers to make threats using dog-whistle rhetoric" as a criterion for banning people. It would ban Yiannopoulos and not, say, a black nationalist for one simple reason: Yiannopoulos was more famous and created more consternation among potential users.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I understand that the first amendment protects against government censorship, and not the censorship of a private company.

But honest question, what is the difference between a private business refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding (which courts have ruled illegal), and twitter refusing their platform to a conservative writer.

<comment><USER5> 1) He's not banned for being a conservative, nor writer. 2) They (likely) did not order a cake with writing on it targetting someone. They just wanted a cake for themselves. IANAL, but I'm assuming the bakery got ruled against on grounds of bias crimes against sexual orientation.

He's not targetted for either being gay or conservative or any other personal trait other than on their service portraying a seemingly vile human being through targetted harassment of other user(s), which they deemed a breach of their ToS.

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> Good, just because you may have the right to free speech doesn't mean you should be given a platform to spread your hate.

<comment><USER16> Yes it does. Censorship by public or private entities is dangerous because it destroys the open marketplace of ideas. The best ideas, given time, will rise to the top, and censorship in all forms prevents this from happening. Speech that is agreeable to the public/government/whatever doesn't need any protection, but speech that isn't does. We all should protect speech in all forms even if it's hateful or abhorrent.

<comment><USER2> Yiannopoulos can still be hateful and abhorrent on Breitbart.com and many other widely-read outlets. He can hold an anti-Leslie Jones rally on a major street in the US, and police will protect him (including black police).

This isn't a blow to free speech. It's Twitter deciding not to let someone use its service and its resources for the purposes of rallying racists to berate an innocent woman who acted in a movie.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> If anyone wants freedom of speech then they should be using open platforms, not corporate controlled ones.

I have no idea why anyone allowed twitter to ever have as much influence as they do.

<comment><USER11> In what world is a targeted harassment campaign considered "freedom of speech"?

And why do you care so much about the harassers, yet offer nothing for those who's speech is silenced because they are harassed off the platform? Do those people not matter?

<comment><USER17> >In what world is a targeted harassment campaign considered "freedom of speech"?

Who decides where that line is drawn?

>And why do you care so much about the harassers, yet offer nothing for those who's speech is silenced because they are harassed off the platform? Do those people not matter?

The can block/ignore/filter, just like everyone has always done.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> _It's clear that existing hate speech laws are inadequate for the social media era. And if we decide, as we perhaps might, that a lifetime ban on the internet is unworkable and disproportionately punitive, given the centrality of the internet to our professional and personal lives these days, what on earth are we to do? No one has yet offered a convincing answer. In the meantime, we are all, bit by bit, growing ever more fearful of the next wave of molestation.

Together with other commentators, I have in the past argued for verified identities on social networks, so those responsible for abuse and persecution of public figures and the vulnerable might be held accountable for their actions. That seems redundant when trolls are now so brazen they don't care about disapproving words from their loved ones back inside Facebook when they leave furious missives using that social network's commenting system elsewhere on the internet.

So perhaps what's needed now is a bolder form of censure after all, because the internet is not a universal human right. If people cannot be trusted to treat one another with respect, dignity and consideration, perhaps they deserve to have their online freedoms curtailed. For sure, the best we could ever hope for is a smattering of unpopular show trials. But if the internet, ubiquitous as it now is, proves too dangerous in the hands of the psychologically fragile, perhaps access to it ought to be restricted. We ban drunks from driving because they're a danger to others. Isn't it time we did the same to trolls?_

\- See more at: [http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/yiannopoulos/3359/the- internet...](http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/yiannopoulos/3359/the-internet-is- turning-us-all-into-sociopaths/#sthash.SNvn8OTL.dpuf)

</comment><comment><USER19> Let me get this straight, Milo is of foreign-descent, homosexual, and has inter-racial relationships, but is a hardcore conservative? Why people take him seriously, I will never know.

<comment><USER20> Conservatives have to be straight and racist?

<comment><USER2> They don't, but homophobia, denial that sexuality is mutable, denial that homosexuality exists, and racism are all driven by conservatives.

There have been times when liberals were racist (e.g. some, but not most, eugenicists), but generally speaking, conservatives want to preserve the past, and the past is incredibly racist.

Conservatives fought the abolition of slavery, and to this day they support laws that marginalize or infringe upon the rights of homosexuals. A gay conservative is someone acting against his/her interests, and a pro-equality conservative is an oxymoron.

<comment><USER14> The logic (agree with it or not) is that the biggest threat to homosexuals in 2016 is Islam and Sharia. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, at least half who want homosexuality banned. And Muslim countries are much more likely to legislate religious doctrine than Western countries right now.

Conservatives tend to be more combative with Islam than liberals are, so the thinking is it's logical to be Conservative now if you want to push gay rights forward. Especially since the Orlando massacre which saw a Muslim terrorist kill 50 unarmed gays.

<comment><USER11> Except Christian areas are just as likely to legislate religious doctrine. All of the gay marriage bans in the US were driven by Christian groups, and mostly enacted in Christian heavy states. The countries in Africa which are outlawing homosexuality are doing so largely lead by Christians. And there is no way you can tell me Russia is a Muslim country.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> In general this is my prob with society today. Why do we have to be nice to people? Why do we have to show empathy? Why can we not say hateful things? No violence/assault no harm.

<comment><USER22> I can tell you what the answer is on Hacker News, at least. You have to treat others respectfully here because if we allowed users not to, the community would decay, the best people (who incidentally have no trouble being respectful) would leave, and this place would become uninteresting, like scorched earth. That's the biggest risk to this site so we take it seriously.

<comment><USER23> I see this sort of argument a lot and I don't know how true it is.

Is it /really/ true that the best contributors are so sensitive? In my experience, these days it's actually the worst contributors or those who contribute not at all who are the most sensitive and liable to throw in the towel.

I'm sympathetic to your view but there is another risk that by overmoderating or catering to the most sensitive of contributors, HN will be left with non- interesting content, or controversial opinions will be silenced.</comment></comment></comment>


One IDE to Rule them All? - <AUTHOR> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/140264/one-ide-to-rule-them-all

<comment><USER2> I can accept that there are valid reasons to do this, but I couldn't work in a shop like that. The bottom line is I invest in my tools, and a big part of my career development is mastering standard unix tools. I don't expect to be doing Rails work 10 years from now, but I'll definitely be using vim + bash for the long haul.

</comment><comment><USER3> This specific question is talking about Eclipse, and depending on the language they are using it might be they are moving the build system to eclipse, so they are mandating everyone use the tool. I think in the FOSS world we are a little spoiled that we have options like what editor / build system / OS we would like to use to develop on. I know there are a lot of shops that on day one you are given access to Visual Studios and that's the last tool you will use at that company for anything. So this isn't anything extraordinary that is being asked of the employee. I know where I work we develop on remote system's and while some people prefer to do a lot of upfront work in eclipse, when testing on the production equipment your left with nothing but a command line. So knowledge of at least one text line editor and gcc/make is fundamental for anyone who wants to work with us. I could totally see someone coming in with the complete opposite question.

"My company is mandating that everyone use vim and make"

And still see it as a valid request of an employer.

<comment><USER4> I think there's a very important line to be drawn between "require everyone to know (the basics of) $tool" and "mandate that everyone use $tool". I think the former _can_ be reasonable, if it's done both ways, ie everyone is required to be somewhat familiar with the standard UNIX toolchain, but also with $IDE. Then, the choice could be left to every member of the team what to use.

I think, however, it's a _huge_ mistake to take the second route. Myself, for example, I could never be even remotely productive in an IDE. The moment I open one, it feels _wrong_ , and my productivity as well as motivation drops significantly. I just prefer vim + $tools for the language I am working with, and it's highly unlikely that this will ever change. It's like trying to code in a noisy, public place when I could be coding at my desk listening to my favorite music.

Yes, this is partially an emotional reason. I _hate_ programs that throw tons of information, menus and buttons at you, most of which are useless 98% of the time. Furthermore, I hate programs that try to be a God Object and do everything by themselves - I'm a stern advocate of modularity/interoperability and the UNIX philosophy of writing programs that do _one_ thing, and do it well.

But, to conclude this, I would fiercely disapprove forcing anyone to do it my way as much as I would object to being forced into a different workflow myself. I know I could never work for someone that does either.

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Jungo (<http://jungo.com/>), a company where I first learned the "proper" development process with code reviews etc, had instituted Vim as the company wide editor. You _could_ choose something else if you still could work reasonably in vim and mastered that "other" editor to a high degree, being able to do x,y,z things with it. There was an actual document describing required level of mastery ;)

Now, vim being one of the top productive environments (only probably be contested by emacs), and the fact that we worked in C, so stags vim plugin provided as much IDE-ness you could get anywhere else at the time (2000), I think that was a very reasonable requirement. Eclipse? nah, not really, you can pry VIM from my dead hands, definitely would not work at this place.

</comment><comment><USER6> Where I work people do a variety of things. We mostly use VS but I like to hit F5 and have it do an incremental build and start the debugger but most everyone else builds through a command line tool they created and have a VS extension that automatically attaches to certain processes when you fire them up. It's not uncommon at all for people who are not building via visual studio to break the build for people who are not. The main checkin gate of course does it the same as the command line people so it can be very ugly when everyone is doing a variety of things. They can end up breaking your system inadvertently.

</comment><comment><USER7> that's what I did in my team, I want people to be able to sit next to each other, I want shared formatting settings, I don't want them to do the formatting by hands, and we have shared ownership of the code. You can only change the formatting style after discussing it with the others. I want people to remove my personal style after me, and I want to remove other's personal style in the code. Adding dependencies or libraries has to be debatted and if possible each new library should delete another one, the same with lines of code. I call it "trying to control the entropy".

<comment><USER8> So you don't do the formatting by hand, you configure your editor of choice to do the work for you, assuming it is smart enough. If you have a group of people that use the same editor they can share this information through a developer wiki.

Sounds like you just need to have a well defined style guide rather than trying to micromanage developer habits.

<comment><USER6> What's also good is to establish a procedure to change the guidelines. It can be a source of frustration to have some funky guideline that most of the team doesn't like.

<comment><USER7> that's what the wednesday afternoon is for, changing our way of working. But we sometimes do it before. We've a problem with our python formatting guidelines, and I'll bring the issue tomorrow I think (we've to decide for spaces or tabs and camelcase or underscore, since it's not our only language, we've to arbitrage between a common rule for all our languages, or the usual rule of each language).

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> This question lacks a lot of details, what tech is being used, how experienced the team is, what the build and deploy environments are like, what level of syntax consistency is needed for various reasons etc..

While many programmers are religious about their tool chain there are very legitimate reasons for wanting a standardized dev environment especially with an IDE that does things like syntax homogenization for you. Without more details it's impossible to tell weather this specific individual case would really benefit from the mandate in spite of upsetting the comfort of their devs.</comment>


Comparison of Mortality Rates for Patients Treated by Male vs. Female Physicians - <AUTHOR> http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2593255 <comment><USER2> Previous discussion: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213421](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213421)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Would the administrator that marked this as "dupe" please link to the other discussion? I can't find it.</comment>


The Social Smart Contract – Democracy Earth Paper - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/DemocracyEarth/paper <comment> virgile-deville I like how key concepts interact with each other : liquid democracy with blockchain tokens, proof of identity with attention mining and UBI. Will be really interesting to see how those hypothesis work out once implemented on live network !

</comment><comment><USER2> Voting is ideal application for blockchains .. and distributing VOTE tokens broadly and regularly with Proof of Identity solves the 'liquidity problem'.

</comment><comment><USER3> The revolutionary 'drip' of coins over time as a mechanism for UBI is something they will be discussing at the upcoming BIEN in Portugal.

</comment><comment><USER4> The blockchain have potencial to change social, the economy, the education and politics, this is one of the possible uses

</comment><comment><USER5> Interesting paper.No doubt, the future is: liquid democracy + blockchain.

</comment><comment><USER6> Muy interesante contenido.</comment>


Show HN: Smart bookmarks extension - <AUTHOR> https://raindrop.io/extension/?#en_US

<comment><USER2> Would be nice to add a full-offline option.

Don't take it wrong, but I'm getting wary of services offering to store my data online for free, especially when I don't know how / if it intend to make money.

Looks good though, I might give it a try even with that issue.

<comment><USER3> on the same boat.. but have given up on using Chrome for bookmarks. It's too slow on Linux when you've more than 50 tabs.

Firefox loads under a minute with 510 tabs from various tab-groups. (I use a tab-group for each group and field of study and yes I use most tabs actually)

The search in the sidebar is so enormously useful, it helps me to find ANY bookmark made by hitting CTRL+b or middle-click (two-finger tap here). I heavily use tags, which is really making the search better, but I wish these tags could be automatically generated by an algorithm.

1\. [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/flat- bookmarks-h...](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/flat-bookmarks- history/) (this is what opens up a better sidebar)

2\. [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/bookmark- rater/](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/bookmark-rater/) (rating is really useful sometimes)

3\. [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/enhanced- middle-...](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/enhanced-middle- click/) (I use that to open the sidebar)

4\. [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/auto-sort- bookma...](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/auto-sort-bookmarks/) (autosort "heap, stack and memory" of bookmarks. I don't sort the the toolbar)

Optional:

i) [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/faviconreloader](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/faviconreloader) (In case you want icons for old bookmarks)

ii) [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/tabgroups- menu/](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/tabgroups-menu/) (helpful to quickly switch, rename and reorder tab-groups, because zooming-in-out sucks)

iii) [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/unloadtab/](https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/unloadtab/) (worried about loading >500 tabs at once? set it to load only tabs you clicked and unload tabs oder n)

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Would be nice to know what it actually does before installing it.

<comment><USER5> You need to click on the thunderbolt. Took me awhile to figure out.

<comment><USER6> Thanks! Not very intuitive. I thought that was making reference to your browser once installed, not as a "show me more" button.

<comment><USER7> I agree, I didn't figure that out until I read comments either. A little "click here" hint could go a long way here.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> So that makes what 4 or 5 new bookmarks extensions for chrome in the last two weeks?

They all suffer from the exact same problem: online and not nearly as fast as the current default option in chrome. Don't get me wrong, I hate the default bookmarks manger in chrome and wish that after 6 years they'd update it already (or at least ad api's that allow someone else to) but all the latest get same basic things wrong while not being very different form one another.

EDIT: I guess I should clarify, I don't mean that online is bad, I used xmarks for a long time, I just don't like online only because it affects retrieval and search rates. There's just no way to beat the speed of a local directory.

[I've installed Dewey, dragdis, and fetching.io. fetching is really more of a history extension than a bookmarking one but the idea behind it is the same. After about two weeks I stopped using Dragdis because the UI makes looking for things impossible and Dewey I installed but never enabled because it was just too much of a hassle]

<comment><USER9> I think cloud sync is good idea! Because you can access bookmarks not only from your current browser, but also from mobile app/API. In near feature Raindrop will have mobile app and powerful API for third-party developers

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> Interesting, and very slick and pretty, but doesn't solve my too-many-tabs problem anywhere near as well as Tabs Outliner: [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs- outliner/eggk...](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs- outliner/eggkanocgddhmamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl?hl=en)

<comment><USER11> Equivalent for firefox: [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree- style-ta...](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/)

It supports grouping in the tab bar, or alongside in tree form. I find the integrated interface a bit better than the Chrome plugin above.

<comment><USER12> Tree Style Tab and Snaplinks are the main reasons I switched to Firefox from Chrome.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> This seems to be the exact same as this Chrome extension: [https://dragdis.com/](https://dragdis.com/) I might be wrong, but there don't seem to be any real differences or improvements compared to Dragdis.

</comment><comment><USER14> Typo "Register usign email" should be "Register using email" here: [http://cl.ly/image/1r0f2p0n0y19](http://cl.ly/image/1r0f2p0n0y19)

</comment><comment><USER15> Quick question : Are there any reasons that you opted for a sign-in access instead of an offline access? I prefer offline as I can configure on my machine and sync with the built-in browser sync. If I need to access these bookmarks permanently, I can use

[https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/roomy- bookmar...](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/roomy-bookmarks- toolbar/?src=search)

or other bookmarks plug. Nice one, though.

</comment><comment><USER16> Shameless plug here. Chrome extension to email yourself the current page with a single click: [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/email-this- page/dk...](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/email-this- page/dkfkjckpdlhaiifglhkakloaghafbhdo)

More in the line of "save it now, maybe i'll get to it later" :)

</comment><comment><USER17> Anyone can tell what was used to create all the animations? I noticed it's all HTML/CSS/JS.

</comment><comment><USER18> Looks nice but did not find any differentiation from what I already use - Pocket [http://www.getpocket.com](http://www.getpocket.com)

</comment><comment><USER5> What does this do that firefox bookmarks can't, except showing a thumbnail? I know "folder hierarchy" sounds so 1990s, but still.

<comment><USER9> It saves not only bookmarks but associated content depending on page type. If it's an article, it will be cut and saved with the bookmark. The same applies to video, photo and presentations.

Also you can share some collections of bookmarks. In future update you can also collaborate with colleagues and friends.

<comment><USER5> Ah, that's actually quite nice, although I suppose it only makes a copy of the text, not of the video & audio, right?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Very slick interface, but there's one glaring UX problem: I often need to refresh the page just to access my bookmarks.

</comment><comment><USER20> What does it do that the Firefox add-on 'Scrapbook' \+ 'Mozbackup' doesn't do and save offline?

</comment><comment><USER21> In the (very nicely done!) little animation, "Relashionships" should be "Relationships".

</comment><comment><USER22> This is awesome. BUT you need to add option import existing bookmarks.

<comment><USER23> It seems to be available here: [https://raindrop.io/pages/import](https://raindrop.io/pages/import)

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> Is this free software? Does it store the bookmarks online?

</comment><comment><USER25> "Register usign E-mail" should be "Register using e-mail" (using not usign)

</comment><comment><USER26> can anyone recommend a cross browser bookmark solution?

<comment><USER27> I use pocket for storing everything. It's cross-browser and device so you can easily sync offline to your tablet/phone to read on a plane. [http://getpocket.com/](http://getpocket.com/)

<comment><USER28> Pocket is fantastic. I tend to open hundreds of tabs and put them into Pocket if I don't have time to read them. It's nice to have them sync to my phone and my tablet so I can read them offline when I have downtime.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> i cannot snyc my pocket</comment>