Unfortunately, we have renewed our ICANN Accreditation - <AUTHOR> http://blog.easydns.org/2015/05/20/unfortunately-we-have-renewed-our-icann-accreditation/

<comment><USER2> Like "Verified by Visa", these emails look like they were written by a scammer.

<comment><AUTHOR> Yep. It's an attack vector served up on a silver platter. When WDRP came out (Whois Data Accuracy Program) I said right away it was a phishing vector.

Even the guy who invented WDRP has since come out and said it should die ([http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120719_a_confession_about_ic...](http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120719_a_confession_about_icann_whois_data_reminder_policy/))

WAP is WDRP with the added bonus that you have a gun to your head to comply. It's just nuts. I was really hoping this would have been overturned by the time our renewal came around.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Fellow domain registrar here. While this does create more effort for us. Its important to note a couple of things

1) ICANN does have a system in place for development of their policies, being a registrar you have a voice and even the public gets a say during their policy comment periods.

2) The intention of the policy was to curb fake information being provided for domain contacts. This was partially a response to the legal community saying basically why have the contact info if its not even legitimate

While the process is more work, its also hard to argue with the concept that if you have to provide information about the registrant of a domain, that information should be accurate. The policy also helps ensure that the information stays as up to date as possible.

<comment><AUTHOR> Rob, as I understand it, the RRSG was pretty vehemently against this every step of the way. The RRSG has since repeatedly asked ICANN and LEA for some data regarding the efficacy of WAP and none has been forthcoming (although there is now, finally a review of WAP in progress).

To date there has not been one single documented instance of the WAP fulfilling one objective of LEA or preventing a single instance of cybercrime since it's inception.

It is patently ridiculous in implementation given that it does nothing to prevent blatantly fake whois data (see the screen grab from my example where I successfully verified "Some Guy" as the domain registrant).

It's just a half-assed flawed implementation of a horribly flawed policy that only accomplishes two things:

1) throwing registrants under a bus, especially since the ones most likely to burned by this are technically less sophisticated rule followers and

2) utterly screwing registrars, since we end up holding the bag when these domains go offline.

<comment><USER3> Totally agree, it's pretty useless right now especially since the option of what to verify is pretty loose, though the 2013 raa does specify there can be some new fields introduced. Now on the customer side we did a implementation like yours and almost launched it, BUT we thought better and came up with a less onerous system that still complied with the raa, there has been very little heart burn on our end with regards to customers or implementation, if you want to talk about it message me. For us this has been a big deal and we are a top 50 registrar</comment></comment></comment>


Apple's Historic Lisa Computer Was Born 35 Years Ago Today – Inverse - <AUTHOR> https://www.inverse.com/article/40363-apple-macintosh-lisa-computer-steve-jobs <comment><USER2> Watch the commercial and look at how he uses the mouse. He holds it from the side, with his thumb and middle finger on the near and far sides, instead of on the left and right sides. Did people commonly use it like that?

<comment><AUTHOR> Nobody I know of. Maybe that's how Kevin Costner did it at the time.

Now, more seriously, he's holding the mouse in a way it's easier to see it. When you use it normally, your hand obstructs the view from most directions and it'd require a close-up shot to show how it's actually operated. If I were directing, I'd go for that approach instead, with a cut to a close shot and back to the wider one, even if it did cost some screen time for the mouse itself.</comment></comment>


Miniature Theater made of Paper and Light - <AUTHOR> http://www.theicebook.com/The_Icebook.html

<comment><USER2> This is old news but still beautiful.</comment>


HN Meetup, Bangalore - <AUTHOR> There seems to be enough interest[1] for a HN meetup similar to the one at Delhi. Let us meet at my place in Bangalore.
Location: 522, 16th Cross, 2nd "A" Main, 6th Sector, HSR Layout
Time: 4pm onwards, Day: Sunday - 21st April
Please drop your confirmation in comments below. It will be good if people can bring some snacks and drinks to share as well. Please come even if you don't bring anything. :)
My phone number in hex is 218EC1161, if you want to reach me.
[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5563261 <comment><AUTHOR> People seem to prefer a more common location. Let us meet here at Barleyz instead, [http://www.zomato.com/bangalore/barleyz-the-brew-house- koram...](http://www.zomato.com/bangalore/barleyz-the-brew-house- koramangala/maps#tabtop)

I also created a facebook group for contacting people coming for this meetup. Please join the group, if you are coming. <https://www.facebook.com/groups/482115068527962/>

@grease, thanks for the pizza offer. maybe you could sponsor appetisers instead? :)

I'm looking forward to this!

<comment><USER3> Yep, starters on me. Or recruiterbox, to be more precise :)

Look forward.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> This is off topic and about the 10000 startups (which is a NASSCOM project currently on HN). I would not have known about this if it was not posted here, and it is going to drop off the HN Frontpage as it has only 18 votes right now. Requesting anyone from India and interested in startups, to upvote that article to spread awareness (even if it means decreasing your chances of getting in a bit; 10000 startups is a lot and If I dont get in I probably am working on something stupid)

<comment><USER5> link please??

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> This is great. Small suggestion: Moving it to a place outside the home/office zone might be good.

Might I suggest a more open location, perhaps something on the lines of Barleyz or Arbor brewery?

<comment><USER7> I had the exact thoughts. Berleyz is walking distance from my place, so +1 to Berleyz.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> Great job with the phone number. I'll try to make it.

</comment><comment><USER9> I currently work & live in Chennai. I am long time lurker (+2 years), first time poster, If anyone is organizing a meet in Chennai, anytime this or next month I am totally in.

I would have gone to this meet, if I had known about it 2 days ago, at-least today morning.Heck, I've got something meaningful to post on HN.

</comment><comment><USER10> You should post this on <http://hackerstreet.in/> as well.

<comment><USER11> This one is more like a personal forum where people (maybe) known or close to the owner of domain/forum rule(just my somewhat far fetched speculation). There are no set forum rules or guidelines and the one that they follow on "as it comes" are decided after seeing who the guy is in question. A newbie, a lurker or an established founder or so.

So, my request is to keep it HN Meetup and not to make it HS Meetup or H(S+N) Meetup.

Personal experience; so this jm2c of mine might be biased as well.

<comment><USER12> > people (maybe) known or close to the owner of domain/forum rule

Any examples of this behavior? Who is currently ruling HSI? I would be very interested in hearing more on this.

<comment><USER11> As I said it was just my two cents and here <http://hackerstreet.in/item?id=23904> is what I had seen there and was referring to. Though, I myself was not very active on HS and never visited after this. There was one more incident that I couldn't find in my browser history.

It's not sth serious but I was very disturbed to see how one guy had raised a valid concern and almost everyone jumped on him with logic like "this is from a star personality", "it was not posted by someone from the company" and "one person didn't find it relevant, others did". The last one was very odd and even more add was the related founder's reaction. The guy (who had originally raised the question) had just mentioned and pointed out the similarity and the he(founder) was like <http://hackerstreet.in/item?id=23917>.

And worst of all, people found it irrelevant when someone wanted to share a simple nice feedback(<http://hackerstreet.in/item?id=23765>); even forum owner(pd) frowned upon it(well, he was the firs one). And the entire community showed its double standard when it came to someone more successful, known on forum. Sadly the guy(who had first raised the concern) didn't post anything after that and neither the guy whose post was frowned upon.

Maybe rightly so, because I guess it was just me and that guy who found it odd or maybe some more people. This doesn't happen on HN. Here are too far many people for one post's fate to be decided by a small circle.

Here, if you deserve it, you get it!

@prateekdayal: Please understand that I didn't mean any offence if you took any. I had the almost the same questions and if you check my ID there(same as HN) I hardly participated, I was just a lurker but still I found it odd and not well handled. Maybe HS needs to mature and more members with down-voting power needs to be there, which shall certainly take time. 'People known to forum owner' was a remark marked as a 'maybe' and that's what it was. Yes, it did sound like an allegation of some sort(apologies, if it did) but then again it was based upon the behaviour I observed.

Thanks for coming here yourself and replying.

<comment><USER12> Funny thing is that people simply go out and post their un-informed opinions and write off the work that people (moderators in this case) have been doing for years to keep HSI healthy. For example, I have never even met Webengage founder and he is certainly not a friend and hence getting upvoted. Friend of the community and getting upvoted? Maybe.

> Sadly the guy(who had first raised the concern) didn't post anything after > that and neither the guy whose post was frowned upon.

The guy who was 'jumped on' is still active and commenting on HSI. So is the guy that posted the second thread.

In the end, please raise your concerns but don't discourage people from visiting HSI or 'mixing' without getting your facts right. Thanks

<comment><USER13> <https://twitter.com/avlesh/status/324959743200350208>

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I am in too. Since you've changed the location to Barleyz, Please update it on the thread too.

</comment><comment><USER15> Dear All, Apologies. I wanted to come by all means but I am taking an early Monday morning flight. It will be a bit of a touch and go.

</comment><comment><USER16> If only this happened over a weekday! Many might be away/out of station on weekends. Suggest to have this on a weekday.

</comment><comment><USER17> Great, very nice to hear. I all try to join. Created account for the first time in HN for posting comments.

</comment><comment><USER18> This may be a long shot, but are there a lot of HNers here Mumbai? A meet up would be nice.

</comment><comment><USER19> May Not join but keep in touch :)

</comment><comment><USER20> I'm out of station on the 21st ! damn. Maybe next time. Love the initiative though !

</comment><comment><USER21> how about we make this regular. monthly or something. I cant make it in April but definitely next month and I'd love to meet more like minded people and hang out at least once a month.

</comment><comment><USER22> I am coming! It will be good if we start speaking about the agenda.

</comment><comment><USER23> This meetup makes sense for non tech person? if Yes am in too :)

</comment><comment><USER24> Will try dropping in if it happens at a place like Barleyz.

</comment><comment><USER25> Would any one be interested in a meetup in Hyderabad ?

<comment><USER26> Sure, I would be!

<comment><USER25> Great !! It would be good if we can get more people

<comment><USER27> I'm in

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> Great!! Count Me in.

</comment><comment><USER29> Any particular agenda? Irrespective of that, I'm in.

</comment><comment><USER3> I'll try to make it

<comment><USER3> If you guys are ok, I don't mind sponsoring pizza for the meet. Let me know.

<comment><USER30> I'll try to make it and have some grease pizza

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> I'll drop in. Though i'll be coming from chennai.

<comment><USER31> Oops sorry guys, last minute personal work came up. can't make the commute from chennai. ah well some other time

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> Agenda? 4pm onward till? Anyway count me in ;)

</comment><comment><USER33> Do we have an agenda? I am willing to come..

</comment><comment><USER34> I'm in! And bringing a buddy along too.

</comment><comment><USER35> oops, I am In Agra in Uttar Pradesh 283203.

Any idea for me. I never see any Company,corporate Anyone do anything in UP.

</comment><comment><USER36> Great idea. I hope I can make it :)

</comment><comment><USER37> What's agenda for this meetup?

</comment><comment><USER38> Will try joining next time.

</comment><comment><USER39> I ll try to make it :)

</comment><comment><USER40> I'll try to make it.

</comment><comment><USER41> Cherian - <USER2>

</comment><comment><USER42> any agenda? what usually happens at such a meetup?

</comment><comment><USER43> +1 - Final venue??

</comment><comment><USER44> I will be there!

</comment><comment><USER45> I am coming :D

</comment><comment><USER46> I'll be there.

</comment><comment><USER47> Will be there!

</comment><comment><USER48> +1. thanks!

</comment><comment><USER5> +1

</comment><comment><USER49> +1

</comment><comment><USER50> \+ 1

</comment><comment><USER51> +1

</comment><comment><USER52> +1

</comment><comment><USER53> I am in.

</comment><comment><USER54> sure I will make it.

</comment><comment><USER55> \+ me + friend

</comment><comment> Subramani-j +1

</comment><comment><USER56> such a short notice :(.. would have loved to come for the meetup.</comment>


Ask HN: Do you want free marketing writing? - <AUTHOR> I'm a freelance copywriter. Previously I've specialized in sales emails and market research, but I'd like to branch out and try new things.
If you've got a startup or side project that needs some writing, I'm interested in helping out for free. Maybe you need some blog posts done, Twitter messages, website copy - who knows.
It would be a chance for you to get work done at no cost, and for me to learn something new. If this seems like a potential fit, let's connect. <comment><USER2> I've got a project called a 1billioncoins.com if your interested.

It's similar to below but I've going to be giving away a billion coins in drawings and other methods. the key is there is a limit to the number of coins and the more people that have them the more valuable they become.

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11441696](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11441696)</comment>


How to build a Billion Dollar Startup - <AUTHOR> http://steveblank.com/2012/04/19/how-to-build-a-billion-dollar-startup/

<comment><USER2> TL;DR if you want to build a billion dollar business, build a social network.

Disappointingly thin article. 'Social' is not some magical key to the big bucks. There are no magical keys, and those who preach them are false prophets.

Why are Gaia online, 4chan and reddit not billion dollar business? 'Social' is just but one in a myriad of competitive advantages a business can build up.

<comment><USER3> To me it appears as though social network/social mobile apps are the way to swing for the fences, insanely high risk with the potential stupidly big payoff if you manage to win out (aka entrepreneurial lottery). Not the smartest way to build a first business but eh.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Step 1: Build a social networking application built on someone else's platform.

Step 2: Spend lots of someone else's money to acquire users.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Get acquired by a larger company. Still not profitable, but your founders and investors walk away with bank.</comment>


I Wanted to Type a Number (2016) - <AUTHOR> https://www.filamentgroup.com/lab/type-number.html <comment><USER2> This advice is incorrect to recommend using type="number". On a desktop, trackpad and mousewheel scrolling while the pointer is hovering over and/or focus is within a type="number" field will alter the number within it, resulting in undetected data errors as digits off-by-one without user awareness.

<comment><USER3> Not sure if its just me, but I tried it and the mouse wheel does not cause the numbers to change, either focused or not. (latest chrome on mac)

<comment><USER4> Firefox on Windows does this when control is in focus and the mouse cursor is over the control.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Since many websites already implement their own input fields, I see one solution: implement the entire keyboard in JavaScript

/s

<comment><USER6> The default keyboards are inflexible for so many reasonable use cases that I would actually consider this unironically.

<comment><USER7> What use case is there for (able-bodied) people where a websites own implementation of an on-screen keyboard would improve anything?

<comment><USER8> I think this may have been the result of banking malware (e.g. Zeus back in the day) which was hooking OS calls to capture keyboard input and steal passwords. I'm not sure whether the on-screen keyboards would be vulnerable in other ways though.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> The worst is a "PIN" input that is only numbers, and the numbers on the keyboard are behind a modifier key, that you have to hit for every, single, number. Not including negative, separator and decimal characters on number input is worse.

<comment><USER10> Well, on most "virtual" mobile phone keyboards you can long-press the modifier key in the same way as CAPS LOCK and friends worked on our old mechanical keyboards.

Nevertheless, virtual keyboards need to be improved, and in my opinion it's not the websites faults. It's the browser who has to do its job.

<comment><USER11> On LG phones they add the numbers to the top of the querty keys. On Android you can install alternative keyboards.

<comment><USER12> Hacker's Keyboard is a good choice for Android phones.

<comment><USER9> I've used it, it's not a very good experience for conversation... I mostly use gboard, because of gesture input. I'm in several conversations and/or emails a day, I only have to input a numeric pin like described maybe once a month. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved on.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> How about a new attribute to match what phones actually provide: keyboard=text|digits|url|emoji

<comment><USER14> I have been thinking about a similar question while building a image hosting site.

Which resolution of thumbnail should I provide for each client?

On a desktop, I can be reasonably sure that the user doesn't have limited data or bandwidth, but their resolution (and dpi) might be quite small.

On mobile, the user might have a hiDPI screen which indicates I should send them a high-resolution thumbnail. But I don't know if they would like me spending their limited data or bandwidth that liberally.

So far, I haven't found a way to indicate or request these sort of preferences, but with the up-and-coming support for srcSet, <picture> elements etc., I would love to provide multiple thumbnail alternatives if a client could reasonably decide between them.

<comment><USER15> A possible solution, but it requires JavaScript enabled, and manual work, is to have a service worker provide such information up to the server.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> That's a very detailed study.

As a user, I whish there was an easy way to just change the keyboard to what I want to input. Android/Google keyboard seems to have something like that nowadays (deeply hidden, however), i.e. the possibility to switch to a numeric keyboard, as a user.

<comment><USER16> Have you tried AnySoftKeyboard on android? It's open source and fully customizable with different layouts and allows you to switch between different entry methods with a swipe or button press.

I've got a QWERTY layout, both regular and one with extra keys for terminals, a full number layout and a keypad layout all easily switchable. It also has what's surprisingly become one of my favourite features, left and right arrows at the top. It helps so much with text navigation, especially when writing long blocks of text.

<comment><USER17> I was going to recommend that. It's a very nice program, and also happens to be open source.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> We were dealing with this today! so we want to use type="number" but it doesn't work!

first, the browser default error message is not accessible.

then we decided to use novalidate="novalidate" to tell browser to not do the validation.

Chrome does not submit the value if the input is not perfect numeric ( try "......"). so it does wipe out user input without letting us catch it on the server!

We just changed it back to type="text" !:(

</comment><comment><USER19> ZIP code should be a number pad for every American, but if someone ships or bills to Canada then you have to have the letters. Not much you can do about that, unfortunately.

<comment><USER20>
        if (country === countries.US) {
            input.setAttribute('inputmode', 'numeric');
        }

<comment><USER17> That doesn't work.

For example, The Hartford Fire Insurance company's address is

        HARTFORD FIRE INS CO
        1 HARTFORD PLZ
        HARTFORD CT 06115-1703

Note the zip. Leading zero, and the last 4 digits. There are other businesses at the same address, with different zip codes. EG

        HARTFORD FINANCIAL SERVICES
        1 HARTFORD PLZ
        HARTFORD CT 06115-1709

Etc, etc. Zip codes in the US are text strings, that happen to be composed of the digits 0-9 and a hyphen.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> Gee, it would have been better if all this was is a suggestion for which keyboard layout to show initially

</comment><comment><USER22> Please add (2016) to the title.</comment>


These Portraits Were Made by AI: None of These People Exist - <AUTHOR> https://petapixel.com/2018/12/17/these-portraits-were-made-by-ai-none-of-these-people-exist/ <comment><USER2> Does this mean modelling (catalog, stock photo) jobs are pretty much ready to fall to AI? I can't say that's one I would have expected. From there I guess full body and animation won't be too far off, so a lot of out of work actors/models.

Plus the obvious pornographic applications which I'm sure is what we're really waiting for.

</comment><comment><USER3> Help we're in the future and it's scary.

</comment><comment><USER4> Is this really so? I can't help but wonder if these are not all training images, or very close to them.

<comment><USER5> The animated / adjustable versions of such images (or even videos!) are much more terrifying, because you can very clearly see that this is not the case.

<comment><USER4> Do you have a link?</comment></comment></comment>


People Skills for Web Workers - <AUTHOR> http://alistapart.com/article/people-skills-for-web-workers

<comment><USER2> Some nice points for action and the basics of interoffice communication. The article/blog misses a key item for 'web-workers' aka Developers where there is often a breakdown/non-existence of the understanding of development, testing, releasing especially around time costs. In my experience, it's the engagement of both the developer/development team with the wider business around a deep understanding of the solution and technologies involved.

Where I have experience conflict is when, for example, management/Product owner thinks (often misguidedly) that changing a service/web page can be done in an afternoon. However, this is not only the fault of the product owner. If he/she is unwilling to understand the details of what is going on, yes there will always be conflict. However, it is also the responsibility of the developer/dev team to take the product owner on the journey. Share all the details, show what is being done: taking the complex and making it simple.

In many cases, I have experience a dev team that wasn't willing to share the details, the 'I know best' position. In a principal/agent relationship with a short term delivery this is fine. In a long term relationship this engenders a lack of trust on both sides and is likely to undo any of the methods mentioned in the article.</comment>


I Self-Published Zero to Sold, a Bestselling Book on Bootstrapping - <AUTHOR> https://thebootstrappedfounder.com/how-i-self-published-zero-to-sold-a-bestselling-book-on-bootstrapping/ <comment><USER2> It has been pretty amazing to follow your journey, Arvid. The blog you just wrote is a godsend for anyone looking to self publish. There are so many self- publishing resources not known to most of us (editing tools, proofreader, cover design, distribution).

The section on ISBN was super critical for me personally.

</comment><comment><USER3> I've met Arvid on a meetup here in Berlin and am following his journey ever since. I read the book and found it to be very actionable and detailed (especially, for me, the tech part of it). I've enjoyed reading about the "war stories" combined with the learnings from the sold startup. Can recommend it if you are into that.

It's great to see the amount of resources he posts for free on the blog / Twitter without locking them away. Thanks Arvid!

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks!

I've always found the indie hacker/bootstrapped founder community to be very open and supportive. Many of the people who wrote the guides and articles that I learned lots from have never paywalled their content. If at all, they added some sort of additional product, a course, a book, or consulting opportunities. But the content was always free for those who'd need it most. And that's what I wanted to do as well.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I remember this guy!

Amazed by the his results. Personally I haven't read the book but some of my friends have and their review was pretty positive.

<comment><AUTHOR> Pretty positive is exactly what I was going for :) Thanks!

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Just started reading and and already very much getting sucked into it. Will post a review once I'm done!

</comment><comment><USER6> Thanks for doing this. Really interesting, and I just bought a copy. :-)

</comment><comment><USER7> This is a great addition to the book itself. Well done!</comment>


The WeatherChannel Desktop - <AUTHOR>

<comment><AUTHOR> This program is frustrating. I like it so much but viruses, Trojans, &malware has riddled it into uselessness. Would someone qualified please fix the Desktop Application download link so we wee folk can use it?

</comment><comment><USER2> [http://forecast.io](http://forecast.io)</comment>


Rebuilding Strava's Global Heatmap - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/strava-engineering/the-global-heatmap-now-6x-hotter-23fc01d301de <comment><USER2> This is beautiful. Thanks so much for creating it. I'm hoping you can explain what looks like an anomaly though. Looking at Macritchie Reservoir in Singapore, there's the expected hot outline on parts of its shore, but also a dead-straight oblong running roughly east-West for over 1km. Thing is, it can't be a running track as it's in the middle of the reservoir itself. Any thoughts on how this artefact got there?

<comment><USER3> I think that is some kind of rowing/swimming/boating course. It shows up in the running layer because a few people mislabel their activity types. It shows up much stronger in the water layer. Next update to the heatmap I intend to add a activity type classifier to help with these errors.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Absolutely lovely. The pedant in me wants to point out this isn't exactly a heatmap; there's no heat spreading blobbiness. It's more of a spatial histogram. Nothing wrong with that! The localized normalization of values using a CDF is very clever.

</comment><comment><USER5> Cool article. I found some neat things in their data.

You can see the burning man "city" moves slightly each year creating an "echo" in the data.

[https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#13.49/-119.20399/40.78672/h...](https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#13.49/-119.20399/40.78672/hot/all)

Also, some people appear to have biked to the Farallone's [https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#12.41/-122.97170/37.71310/h...](https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#12.41/-122.97170/37.71310/hot/ride)

<comment><USER6> AQUABIKE!

This is neat =)

<comment><USER5> Ooh, another interesting spot

[https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#11.86/-118.45498/42.54408/h...](https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#11.86/-118.45498/42.54408/hot/ride)

Alvord lake/desert in Eastern OR

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> It seems they have removed tiling level 16 and 17 :-(

For example:

Level 16 on the old heatmap: [http://globalheat.strava.com/tiles/cycling/color3/16/33705/2...](http://globalheat.strava.com/tiles/cycling/color3/16/33705/21620.png) Level 16 on the new heatmap (empty tile): [https://heatmap- external-b.strava.com/tiles/ride/blue/16/337...](https://heatmap- external-b.strava.com/tiles/ride/blue/16/33705/21620.png)

<comment><USER3> It is serving 512px tiles by default, which only go one level lower. At 256px, the level 16 requests are valid: [https://heatmap- external-b.strava.com/tiles/ride/blue/16/337...](https://heatmap- external-b.strava.com/tiles/ride/blue/16/33705/21620.png?px=256)

<comment><USER7> ah good to know, is there a trick for level 17 also? For example [https://heatmap- external-b.strava.com/tiles/ride/hot/17/6745...](https://heatmap- external-b.strava.com/tiles/ride/hot/17/67453/43168.png?px=256) returns empty tile

<comment><USER3> level 16 is as far as it goes.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Are you planning to update heatmap on iD editor for OSM? [https://strava.github.io/iD/](https://strava.github.io/iD/)

<comment><USER3> Update done!

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> This is lovely. One question - did you consider a vector style versus a raster style? If so, why did you choose raster?

<comment><USER3> I think there are two parts:

1) Internal representation for building/serving: For vector, the data would have to be aggregated in some way otherwise it would be way too slow (for example, tiles having 10 million or more lines). How exactly to do that vector aggregation is a real challenge. If there is a good solution I'm not aware of it.

2) End product quality: everything is ultimately rasterized on the viewer's monitor. So if upstream resolution is high enough vector doesn't have any advantage here.</comment></comment>


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Show HN: C++ Indexer for Emacs, VIM, Sublime, Atom - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/Andersbakken/rtags <comment><AUTHOR> I'm the author of this tool. AMA?

<comment><USER2> Thanks - I use this everyday, the tool has seriously increased my productivity.</comment></comment>


Tired of Old Man Python telling you what you can and can't say to your computer? - <AUTHOR> http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/ <comment><USER2> Is he removing the 'Like, Python' keywords from the source and then passing it to the Python interpreter?

<comment><USER3> Whoever downvoted you is retarded. Yours is a completely legitimate question to which I cannot give a certain answer, but I'd say it seems likely.

<comment><USER4> I hate when people downvote decent questions.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I expected an article on the limits of python syntax, but this is the description of some lolcode-style language.

<comment><USER6> O HAI. Any language that has the word "broseph" as a keyword is okay by me.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Strictly speaking, for Python to actually be a subset, it needs to recognise when a keyword is meaningful. Like:

        hey = "hello world"
        print hey

Can it do this? My assumption is not, because you'd get issues like

        so anyway just = "hello world"

but you could make an exception for when there's only one of them.

</comment><comment><USER8> needs to be smart enough so you can write:

      print "hello world" or whatever

or

      n = 3 'n shit

<comment><USER9> also missing a fo' shizzle conditional and possibly loop construct.

<comment><USER10> I'm wondering what happens when you mix various types... eg mixing a "fo' shizzle" with a "broheim" - would it return an error similar to trying to add a string to a int?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> See also: Eubonicode <http://www.public.iastate.edu/~crb002/prog.html>

</comment><comment><USER12> This is just <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valspeak> sugar. I guess I'll stick with Scratch and Logo for my kid.

</comment><comment><USER13> % fortune -m "VALGOL"

<comment><USER14>
    		THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #14 -- VALGOL

    		VALGOL is enjoying a dramatic surge of popularity across the
    	industry.  VALGOL commands include REALLY, LIKE, WELL, and Y*KNOW.
    	Variables are assigned with the =LIKE and =TOTALLY operators.  Other
    	operators include the "California booleans", AX and NOWAY.  Loops are
    	accomplished with the FOR SURE construct.  A simple example:

    		LIKE, Y*KNOW(I MEAN)START
    		IF PIZZA	=LIKE BITCHEN AND
    		GUY		=LIKE TUBULAR AND
    		VALLEY GIRL	=LIKE GRODY**MAX(FERSURE)**2
    		THEN
    			FOR I =LIKE 1 TO OH*MAYBE 100
    				DO*WAH - (DITTY**2); BARF(I)=TOTALLY GROSS(OUT)
    			SURE
    		LIKE, BAG THIS PROGRAM; REALLY; LIKE TOTALLY(Y*KNOW); IM*SURE
    		GOTO THE MALL

    		VALGOL is also characterized by its unfriendly error messages.  For
    	example, when the user makes a syntax error, the interpreter displays the
    	message GAG ME WITH A SPOON!  A successful compile may be termed MAXIMALLY
    	AWESOME!

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> I miss the hicks, mullets and rednecks ;-)</comment>


UltraEdit for Mac nears beta... First look - <AUTHOR> http://www.ultraedit.com/company/blog/products/ultraedit_for_mac_development_update_07-10.html

<comment><USER2> I think most Mac users (okay, i'm generalising) have become used to their software looking good. There are already many editors for OS X that have simple, elegant interfaces and that follow Mac interface guidelines. e.g. Textmate, Coda, Espresso, even Xcode and MacVim to a point.

In my opinion Ultraedit for Mac is ugly and looks like what it is, a port of some Windows software. I'm sure it's a fantastically powerful editor and this might seem shallow, but this is enough to stop me from using it. If I'm going to stare at an interface all day it needs to be visually pleasing.

<comment><USER3> If you can't turn off that top toolbar, it's a no-go for me from the start. Using up ~10% of extremely valuable real estate for buttons that you should have memorized the keyboard shortcuts for? No thanks.

In general it appears to be very wasteful of screen real estate, and to be poorly thought out from a UE perspective. Buttons and fonts are bigger than they need to. There's some extremely quizzical usage of padding, as well.

<comment><USER4> "UltraEdit for Mac also accommodates the selection of predefined toolbars for macros, scripting, search, and user defined toolbars. You can of course choose whether or not to display them."

I hope that means the top one too.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I loved UE in 2000 when it was the best text editor on Windows. Now I use Textmate and honestly UE on Mac looks like it hasn't evolved much in the last 10 years.

<comment><USER6> To be fair, TextMate hasn't evolved much in the last 5 years.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> UltraEdit is popular on Windows because most other text editors for Windows are quite bad. Why would anyone want to use UltraEdit on a Mac?

<comment><USER8> Serious question: who on Windows is really using text editors? If you're a programmer using Windows, chances are good you're using a Microsoft stack and thus very likely Visual Studio. For me, text editors on Windows are nothing more than scratch pads.

Maybe I'm just biased, but if you're not using Microsoft technology it seems like you'd be better off with a Unix-like OS, where awesome text editors are plentiful. Maybe there really are enough people out there using non-MS tech but still prefer Windows?

<comment><USER9> Plenty of programmers run Windows without being tied to a Microsoft stack; web developers, for example.

Believe it or not, there are many people who prefer Windows - while Unix-like OSes may be better for some things, many people use the same computer for a wide range of things, programming being just one of them.

<comment><USER10> I'm an example of this. I'm a .NET web developer but if I need to make a quick view (css/html/etc) change, I'll fire up Notepad++. It's way faster than firing up good ol' VS. NP++ is also good for more complicated/repetitive text editing.

<comment><USER8> I'm also a .NET developer. But your usage there to me falls under what I called "scratch pad". As in NP++ is not your main means of writing code. I always have NP++ running so I can throw things into it as needed.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> It's not for me, (mate & vim have yet to fail me), but always nice to see development.

Anyone else think it looks like it was made for MacOS 10.1 though?

<comment><USER12> Yeah, it does have the Java Swing Look. Which is to say it almost gets it right, but there are quite a handful of things that look alien. Us Mac people are nitpicky.

<comment><USER4> Yes we are. I posted a comment about "looks" just now. I told them to look at Coda for a nice looking UI. But it is a first go so maybe once they get it over changing the UI will come as well.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I am happy to see this, but I will withhold judgment until I see it for myself. Ultra Edit on Windows could be a bit of a beast a times.

Text editors on the Mac have stalled in recent years. TextMate 2 (also known as TextMate Forever) has been in the offing for years now. Coda is unstable. JEdit has poor OS integration. Eclipse is great for a heavy IDE, but too bloated for basic editing.

TextMate is still one of the best editors available, and I still use it for all of my Python development, but it has gotten way too old, and has long fallen behind the OS so that you could hardly call it tightly integrated.

</comment><comment><USER14> Is this the replacement for TextMate on the Mac I have been waiting for?

Even with its flaws and the frustratingly long wait for TextMate 2, I have yet to find something that works better for me.

</comment><comment><USER15> I actually really miss Ultraedit. I think it's the only app I miss since switching to a mac. Things I haven't found in 1 app yet

        * Everything is keyboard driven. Most mac apps still need a lot of keyboard.
        * It has SSH/FTP integration
        * It was not too buggy.

I currently use Coda, but it crashes too often, and is less powerful.

<comment><USER16> Did you try TextMate? I hear its very good.

<comment><USER15> I heard a lot of good things about it, but it doesn't have the ability to work on remote files via SSH or (S)FTP. I might try it with an extra program, but it feels like a hassle.

<comment><USER17> You can mount SSH volumes with MacFUSE

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Mac users; no love for BBEdit?

<http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/>

There's stripped-down, gratis version called TextWrangler too.

<http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>

</comment><comment><USER19> If I had to use a Mac, I'd be all over that. Love it on windows, but I'm still using Codewright as my primary editor.

</comment><comment><USER4> That is an awesome thing. I love UE on Windows.</comment>


What Happened to Big Data? - <AUTHOR> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2017/10/what_happened_to_big_data.html <comment><USER2> Is it me or do other people agree that Slate's headlines just keep getting more clickbaity?

<comment><USER3> yeah.. honestly I got half way through the article and just closed it and came here to see the comments.

hopefully we can get some bright minds to weigh in on this because all I got out of this article is that the person who wrote it is focused on the net results with no clue whatsoever into all the work that is needed on the back end of "big data".</comment></comment>


The Strange History of Microfilm - <AUTHOR> http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-strange-history-of-microfilm-which-will-be-with-us-for-centuries <comment><USER2> There's a site called "Tedium"? Funny.

Computer output direct to microfilm used to be a thing. This predated laser printers, and was much faster than line printing, since it used a CRT as the output device. This was often used with Kalvar film [1] which responded only to ultraviolet light and was developed by passing it under a heat lamp. No chemical baths were required. It was also easy to copy Kalvar film with a simple machine with rollers and lamps. So lots of boring but useful stuff, such as parts lists, were made and distributed that way. You still see microfiche readers at some parts counters.

[1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesicular_film](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesicular_film)

</comment><comment><USER3> I didn't realize it took so long for microfilm to catch on in the US.

I knew about Watson Davis was a big US proponent of microfilm in the 1930s:

> "[Microfilm] will supplement other forms of publication and make accessible > material of all sorts that can not now be printed because of economic > factors. It will make available out-of-print and rare books. It is adapted > to the publication of photographs and other illustrations.... In this way > the document is perpetually 'in print' but no extensive, space-consuming > stocks need be stored, only the document itself and the microfilm negative > from which positives are made for distribution."

But that was over a decade after Otlet and Goldschmidt's demonstration.

In the US, I've seen price lists from the mid-1900s. It was cheaper by a factor of two to get a copy from microfilm than from paper.

There was also a question of it printing only on microfilm was a "publication", for purposes of scientific priority and patent priority.

</comment><comment><USER4> A few other bits.

Depending on the medium you're referencing, many microfiche / microfilms are _negatives_. That's generally OK for reading text, but it can make interpreting photographs interesting (unless you're an old-school film photographer).

I used to frequent a library which was an archival repository for various arcana. While the main stacks held about 3 million volumes, I realised that one of the fiche archives, at 100 pages per sheet, and fnord knows how many sheets per file-cabinet drawer, rivalled the full collection _at least in textual scope_ in a room which might have measured 4 x 8 meters or so.

I was also aware that the material in the archive (mostly scientific study progress reports) was, in general, nowhere near as interesting as much of the bound volumes. Something about the low cost of a thing facilitating storage of what would otherwise be considered trivia. A lesson I think back to at times today....

</comment><comment><USER5> Microfiche also greatly democratised pre-digital genealogical research, as it allowed massive amounts of family history data, birth and death notices in newspapers, and so on, to be copied and distributed around the world.

<comment><AUTHOR> As an historian, I still use it all the time for consulting 17th and 18th century records. There are still large amounts of historical manuscripts that exist on microfiche but are not yet digitized. Looping the film into the machines can be a pain, but I'll miss it when they truly fade into obsolescence. There's something fun about being in a dark room in a library whirring through thousands of pages of ancient manuscripts with an analog machine.

<comment><USER5> In my experience, it's been the source of some serendipitous discoveries. On microfilm or microfiche, you might catch a glimpse of something really interesting on the nearby pages, which sends you down a completely different track. Just like when you go to a library for one book, then discover two or three really relevant ones on the adjacent shelves.

You don't always get that same experience from some machine learning 'Related Books' algorithm.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I'm not sure that the conclusion in this article is correct. For now it is, but lets say that we end up using nitrogen vacancies in crystals to store information at some point before these future historians get started? That's just one example of tech that's being developed, and would be extremely durable. By no means is it the only one.</comment>


Ask HN: What stands in the way of a landless, 100% digital government/state? - <AUTHOR> Consider a world government that doesn't have any real large land area, just offices/embassies. Everything from citizenship applications to paying taxes to providing social services would all be provided through digital/online means. Anyone living anywhere would be eligible to apply and receive services and representation.
Web technology has come far enough that this seems do-able, at least on the technical side. What would be in the way of this from a social/legal standpoint? What could established local/global governments actually do to fight this?
I'm imagining a crowd-based, direct democracy, sort-of just like a social network. People would vote on the laws and policies (online/mobile of course) directly, and there wouldn't be any major "head of state", more like a representative committee like maybe how some Open Source projects work. This could help prevent established states using physical force against a leader.
Now of course this would take a lot of people to become legitimate but with how so many governments oppressing their people, or even the discontent in countries like the US or Canada, I feel like citizens would accept and desire a much more direct role in a modern government. With enough legitimacy maybe it could even provide security and lobbying power in global governments (ex. UN, EU).
I also realize this is overly optimistic and not original, so I'm just wondering what others here think actually stands in the way. <comment><USER2> One of the interesting things about this is figuring out what services this government would actually provide, and where. And whether or not people would just be dual-citizens in perpetuity.

Thinking about my day-to-day interactions with the various levels of government here (Canada), the vast majority of it requires a physical presence: policing, firefighting, road maintenance, building inspection, etc. None of those things are very well served by a distributed/digital government. Taxation could be done digitally, of course.

If the primary goal is to affect public policy on a global scale, there's nothing preventing a "crowd-sourced lobbying organization" from being established.

Call it a government if you want, but for a lot of people the main things that government does for them is maintain infrastructure and protect public safety. It's a neat idea, no doubt, but there's a lot of things that citizenship (i.e. the right to live in Canada forever) gives me that couldn't really be replaced digitally.

<comment><AUTHOR> Government maybe isn't the best way to think of this. I'm thinking more like an international digital "society". This was all more thought up for the need for more rights and freedoms (I'm really against C-51 for example), and the need for inexpensive services.

So think of all the government things without the physical part, that's what I meant by landless. Education, healthcare, international representation, voting, identification, census/population metrics, maybe business services, and have this social network/connection tool built around it.

So yeah, like a "crowd-sourced lobbying organization" but with more perks. Maybe like a global union or something like that.

<comment><USER2> Education and healthcare are interesting things. I live far enough from major centres that government-run health care is pretty much the only option without having to travel. Education... could be provided digitally, but there's still (IMO) a lot of value to sticking a bunch of kids in a room together and letting them learn about social interactions.

I'm not sure how something like this would have any impact on C-51. Despite being a member of the digital society, we'd still physically reside in places controlled by other governments, which means that our telecom cables would still run along places where they could be tapped and monitored.

The voting and representation is really interesting. Going back to the C-51 issue... If we had direct representation, is there any hope in hell that this would have passed?

An interesting question is how big of a critical mass would such a system need to start to have actual influence? I don't know the answer, but it's fascinating to think about.

<comment><AUTHOR> Education isn't only for children, I was thinking more of adults/teens anyways since I don't think kids would get the whole MOOC system. Maybe they would though. And again this wouldn't be a complete replacement for established government, at least not at first, more like a form of protest with benefits.

With enough people voting within this digital society against things like telecoms spying and secret police powers, it would create a sort of citizen lobby group that may have an actual effect on politicians. With enough "critical mass" they would have no choice but to listen and respond.

I'm pretty sure all of the recent polls since before it was passed were mostly against C-51. I'm sure if there was a type of referendum it would've been squashed (like it should've been).

I'm also very interested in your last point's idea.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> > Ask HN: What stands in the way of a landless, 100% digital government/state?

Definitions. A government or state is an entity that exercises a monopoly on the legitimate use of force over some territory. If it doesn't have territory, its not a government/state.

> Consider a world government that doesn't have any real large land area, just > offices/embassies. Everything from citizenship applications to paying taxes > to providing social services would all be provided through digital/online > means. Anyone living anywhere would be eligible to apply and receive > services and representation.

While governments might (if there was enough motivation for them to do so) choose to treat such an entity like a foreign government/state for administrative purposes, essentially what that is a multinational corporation or NGO providing a defined set of services.

> What would be in the way of this from a social/legal standpoint?

Being treated like a government is a matter of legal recognition by the governments you want to recognize you as one. This is _often_ difficult for entities that have some claim to actually be governments, its going to be harder for something that manifestly is not.

Especially given that you see it as serving as a counterbalance to existing governments -- that's actually a reason existing governments would be _disinclined_ to recognize it.

> What could established local/global governments actually do to fight this?

At the most basic, refuse to recognize it as anything like a government. To the extent that people associated with it tried to do things of substance that actual governments didn't like, they could outlaw its activities (to the extent that they aren't already illegal), and prosecute and punish (or just extrajudicially punish) its members, associates, and collaborators.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for your response, this was exactly what I wanted.

With the discussion/debate here I've refined the idea a bit more, and instead of saying a "government" I'm more pushing towards something like a non-state actor or an NGO combined with a citizen run lobbyist group.

I believe that if governments tried to "prosecute and punish...its members, associates, and collaborators" that would have the opposite effect of strengthening the group and getting more support. From my perspective that's exactly what the Arab Spring was all about.

I'm not sure how the regulation part would go, since AFAIK there isn't anything like this already that has forced the creation of rules. Laws usually only come up as a reactive measure, which is something I would actually hope for and want to help shape.

<comment><USER4> It sounds like you want a member-controlled organization working with an INGO. Do you want a group whose members are the people who RECEIVE the services, or a group whose members PROVIDE the services, or a group whose members are mostly activists?

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_non- governmental...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_non- governmental_organization) \-- [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights- based_approach_to_devel...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights- based_approach_to_development) \-- [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Poverty_History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Poverty_History) \-- [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARE_(relief_agency)#Programmi...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARE_\(relief_agency\)#Programming_focuses) \-- [https://www.fidh.org/International-Federation-for-Human- Righ...](https://www.fidh.org/International-Federation-for-Human-Rights/what- is-fidh/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Bootstrapping such a government alongside the existing governments would be troublesome. The only kind of tax you could collect would be a "subscription fee" that you couldn't even easily means-test, and the only kind of "laws" you could "enforce" would pertain to who gets what out of the public fund. Not totally useless, but extremely difficult to put together a compelling value proposition. What sort of "policies" did you have in mind?

<comment><AUTHOR> I agree about the existing governments point. That's pretty much the major antagonist issue to all of this. I've considered that the only way to beat that would be to simply be better. With enough "citizens"/supporters I'm wondering what the established governments could do other than using armed force, which would look very bad and may even have the opposite effect from what they want. This of course still needs more brainstorming which is the point of this post.

"Tax"-wise would be almost the same as other governments but more streamlined I suppose. Thinking of this as just a collection of digital/online services/resources would be the best way of looking at it. You pay your monthly/annual fees/"taxes" and get access to the services.

\- Schooling/education would be done through a MOOC (ex. Coursera, Stanford Online) that would be then be open and "free" for users. - [https://e-estonia.com/component/e-school/](https://e-estonia.com/component/e-school/)

\- Healthcare would have 1-on-1 conferencing with doctors/medial professionals when needed, and maybe have some sort of partnership with existing clinics/hospitals. Prescriptions could all be done online as well - [https://e-estonia.com/component/e-prescription/](https://e-estonia.com/component/e-prescription/)

For all laws and policies they would be directly voted on by the community, but with a base set (constitution) set in stone, basic freedoms etc. This would be a very progressive/modern society with all the freedoms and protections that comes with, but if something like 90% of the citizenry decided to vote against one of those, then the leading committee would review it.

<comment><USER6> When you talk about services offered for a fee, okay, but how would you offer "protections"? What if one of your citizens is physically located in Europe, for example, and the local warlord tries to interfere with his right to free speech, or his right to bear arms? Will you draft an army and bust him out of prison?

What if he missed his "subscription" payment the previous month? Does he lose his fundamental human rights until he's paid up?

<comment><AUTHOR> I was thinking more of just international lobbying, even though that sorta sucks and doesn't work (ex. Syria). We would hopefully be able to use the ICC and international law to help our rightful citizens.

I can't think of a better solution to that yet, and there may not be one.

And no, you would still be a citizen without paying taxes, but you would lose access/be restricted from all services.

<comment><USER6> You ought to know that it's pretty radical to think of "government" as an entity that spends your money for you. Before the 1900s it was hardly imagined, and I think the jury is still out on whether it's an effective model.

What has always been understood is what's written in the Declaration of Independence: that the purpose of government is to protect the fundamental rights of the citizens. You're proposing to discard _that_ old purpose entirely, and just focus on providing services for money. I don't think I'd call it "government", myself. Not to discourage you, just want to point out that you've got a lot of work to do to convince people that the thing you're describing is actually capable of being what you think it is.

<comment><AUTHOR> I'm not American, so I actually don't know the DoI very well.

I still think people need to be protected, but the world is a lot different from what it was back then. International law needs to be changed, government needs to be more digitally connected with it's citizens, and the idea of governments and nations need to be revised for the modern world.

For the record, I didn't really think of this as a complete replacement for physical governments, but more of an overarching one that would protect your rights and freedoms using an international legal system while also providing services that some established governments might not be able to.

This would probably be more like a global NGO with a membership I guess.

Or it could be like a citizen-based lobbying group. If enough people are a part of it, voting for the rights and laws they want it could make more politicians take notice.

<comment><USER6> Sure, but you obviously can't "protect your rights and freedoms" without armed forces, police, and prisons. A "legal system" with no power to enforce its laws and judgments is useless.

All you are left with is an organization that collects money from its citizens and then spends it for them.

<comment><AUTHOR> Say if I'm a Canadian citizen and I go to visit somewhere like Russia or North Korea, and get jailed for something that they just didn't like (not for a valid reason), then my country would use international legal means to get me free. They would not just go and start a war. This is what I mean by the world being different now where most regular citizens aren't scared of being jailed in a foreign country.

Say you get married in a state that allows LGBT couples, and then move to one that doesn't, AFAIK your marriage is still valid and recognized. Maybe in some countries it isn't (ex. various Middle-eastern ones) but generally it is. If there was an international body that could allow you those rights and freedoms then could help use legal means to protect them.

Protection doesn't only mean physical force, especially not in this age. I'm not saying I don't agree with you in some way though. There would be very little/nothing an ephemeral government could do against physical aggression, which is what I meant by my earlier statement, "I can't think of a better solution to that yet, and there may not be one."

<comment><USER3> > Say if I'm a Canadian citizen and I go to visit somewhere like Russia or > North Korea, and get jailed for something that they just didn't like (not > for a valid reason), then my country would use international legal means to > get me free.

"International legal means" \-- especially in those scenarios -- is just a thin layer of formalities wrapped around the threat that your country, perhaps with assistance from its allies, will impose consequences like trade sanctions, and, if necessary, ultimately wage war if their requests are not adhered to.

Sure, they could ultimately do nation-vs-nation legal action in the ICJ, but even if your nation wins, its not like the ICJ has marshals it can send in to enforce its orders. Enforcement is basically self-service.

> They would not just go and start a war.

No, but they would be threatening one, if only implicitly.

> This is what I mean by the world being different now where most regular > citizens aren't scared of being jailed in a foreign country.

Lots of them, I would bet, _are_ , they just choose not to travel to the countries they are afraid of being jailed in.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> >People would vote on the laws and policies (online/mobile of course)

Just to play the Devil's advocate here. I don't think that people should be able to "make their own laws". Most people (think the general population) are woefully uninformed about a lot stuff. Like pensions for example. A LOT of Americans DON'T have pensions/retirement savings. This is really bad and a real cause of worry.

In MY opinion, a government should care for it's people and make sure that they have mandatory participation in the pension system (first pillar/second pillar). However, there also should be the option to contribute more (third pillar) if you can/want to.

In some fields, people don't know what to choose and some people who have studied that field, should make the choices for them. Imho.

</comment><comment><USER8> Ultimately, it comes down to people with guns.

Here's country X oppressing people. Are they going to stop because you ask politely (or even sternly tell them to)? No. Why not? Because they want to keep going, and they have guns. The only thing you can stop them with is bigger guns.

(Yes, an appeal to their conscience can sometimes work. It worked for Gandhi against the British. It wouldn't have worked against Hitler or Stalin, though.)

So until you have the biggest guns, you're not going to be able to form a world government that has any real impact.

How would you try to get there? You'd have to persuade enough people in democratic countries to put enough pressure on their governments that they'd cooperate with you. You'd have to do that in enough countries that it carries weight even with those who don't want to listen.

<comment><AUTHOR> There have been a lot of major protests in the past however many years. Looking at things like the Arab Spring, Occupy, the LGBT movements, Bill C-51, I think people aren't generally happy with their governments.

I think we need something that is actually run by the people, for the people. As I've come to think of this more, it wouldn't be a complete replacement for established government, but more like a global union.

</comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> I can't seem to be able to edit the main post, but I forgot to mention the Estonia E-citizenship.

\- [https://e-estonia.com/e-residents/about/](https://e-estonia.com/e-residents/about/)

\- [https://e-estonia.com/components/](https://e-estonia.com/components/)

A lot of what I mentioned are things that they already provide and can do, which is why I think the technical side of things would be the easy part.

Now just apply this to a global state.

EDIT: Also look at what WeChat is like in China. You can pretty much do anything from your phone

\- [http://a16z.com/2015/08/06/wechat-china-mobile- first/](http://a16z.com/2015/08/06/wechat-china-mobile-first/)

</comment><comment><USER9> An inability to scale tied to the problem of concentrating resources.

The minute you start having non-trivial manifestations of your power in meat- space you become subject to a whole range of logistical concerns. Say you've got 1,000 people in your initial group but they're spread out all over the world, what can you actually do?

You want to provide services and representation, but - even if those people each paid 20% of their income to you - you exist largely in the web and your ability to manifest goods and services that are going to be useful to your members is almost non-existent.

Governments gain an advantage when they can provide goods or services in common. Thus making it cheaper than each person providing that resource for themselves.

</comment><comment><USER10> Workarounds, and penises. Per [http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.htm...](http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.html), a 100% digital gov't becomes a 99% digital gov't in the presence of militias, mafia, terrorist, etc. That 99% digital gov't doesn't have "balls" in the Bill Maher sense, and gets quickly overwhelmed. By workarounds. Stupid. But some people feel "vindicated". Especially teenagers (which brings in the question of voting age).

</comment><comment><USER11> Where are the citizens of this digital government going to physically reside?

<comment><AUTHOR> \- landless

\- online

\- global

\- international

<comment><USER12> We'll all live in The Cloud. Land isn't important anymore. Just ask anyone who pays rent in San Francisco.

<comment><AUTHOR> Both your comments have been about land, so I think you're being too literal and thinking more of established countries.

What I'm proposing is a nation that could exist independent of borders/land area. You could live anywhere and still be a part of it. There are clubs/groups that exist for members across the world, but what's stopping a new nation from re-creating that same architecture?

<comment><USER13> The point of the nation is some kind of laws as well as ability to enforce those laws. If you belong to this digital nation, you still will have your body in some type of earthly nation like US or Russia or Italy, etc. Therefore your body will be subject to local laws. For example if in digital nation you have the right to drink at 20, then US might still arrest you if you try to buy a drink (or whatever they do - deny?), and they will not buy into your claim that your nation allows you to drink. However if your body is in Russia, they might laugh at you if you turn yourself in for drinking at 20, as they (I believe) have a lower drinking age. None of physical nations are going to enforce or abide by the laws of the digital nation.

Nations must have not only laws, but a way to enforce them, and a way to protect their citizens from foreign nations.

There are many online communities, such as ycombinator and reddit and WoW, and people feel like they are a part of them, but they are not nations. You can certainly create a community where you pool money and educate your digi-zens (digital citizens), you can provide disaster services by perhaps sending food/drinks to them in case of disaster, but they will still have to follow local laws - you wouldn't be able to request countries to extradite them to you for example.

<comment><AUTHOR> Yes, I understand that local laws would still apply. I've mentioned in other comments that this wouldn't be a replacement of those.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Everything is that way already? Just layers and layers of inherited money and power have been laid upon it and always will be, and the "common man" has to fight through the cruft to establish his existence? Tear down those layers, and it's just a temporarity. We live in a Darwinian circus.

</comment><comment><USER14> The Vatican is practically that now. The extent of Vatican City is miniscule, but they have a huge governing hierarchy physically distributed across the world. About all they'd need to do is let the other shoe drop.

<comment><AUTHOR> The Vatican is also an absolute monarchy and very much not in line with the society I'm imagining.

I'm not familiar with how their citizenship process works as well, or how they provide services to expats.

<comment><USER14> Mentioning the Vatican was my way of pointing out an (almost) existence proof. If the Vatican can be that close to a defacto distributed government, I don't see why one can't explicitly form itself.

<comment><AUTHOR> I was thinking of Estonia and their e-citizenship system and services.

I guess the Vatican would be an example of small area, but you could also look at something like Sealand, or other small island nations.

Even though this is a terrible example and comparison, you could also look at Scientology and their offices. They may not be a established state but they work in the way I'm imagining. Global offices, schooling, protection, etc.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Land

</comment><comment><USER15> Government will become the thing which puts work to tender and decides who gets the contract.

Every service will become privatised.

Government will converge on what it does best, core business, collaborative decision making between representatives from diverse groups.

Contrary to popular belief it is not government inertia which slows this transition, it is public expectation. Society is not yet ready.

Services, as others say, require physical presence. Core Gov can become 100% digital and will, since gov is the nervous ( and circulatory ) system, which causes to function the diverse systems required for society's function.

Watch Zuckerberg make a play for government through FB. Gov is the network. It is already information. All that's missing is the social technology to trust that gov works like this to make it happen.

Northern Europe / Korea will go first.</comment>


Can China Be Contained? - <AUTHOR> http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-china-be-contained-1434118534 <comment><USER2> This part makes my stomach turn:

 _The West has been in this position before. Optimism about the prospects of transforming an ancient civilization through engagement, followed by deep disillusion, has been the pattern ever since early Jesuit missionaries sought to convert the Chinese to Christianity. Those envoys adopted the gowns of the Mandarin class, grew long beards and even couched their gospel message in Confucian terms to make it more palatable. The 17th-century German priest Adam Schall got as far as becoming the chief astronomer of the Qing dynasty. But he fell from favor, and the Jesuits were later expelled._

More like disillusioned with "the West." The lesson learned on the other side (which took a really long time with wars, revolutions, and capitalist reforms to un-learn) is to not trust 'the West' because they'll try to hook your citizens on opium while trying to convert you to their religion. And if you ban opium and deport opium dealers, they'll kidnap your emperor, start a war, and burn/loot your ancient civilization.

What the author of the article seems to forget is that there are elderly people alive today who lived through that. My grandfather was sold into indentured servitude because of his parents' opium habit.

Moreover, for a nation with China's current levels of import/export and the rate at which cargo ships get attacked by pirates (as they go around Somalia to reach the Mediterranean), what's wrong with building up a navy? That's reducing dependence on local infrastructure and has got nothing to do with the U.S.

<comment><USER3> > what's wrong with building up a navy?

Ask Taiwan and the Philippines how they feel about that.

<comment><USER4> By the same logic we probably should also ask China about US Navy cruising close to its territory regularly, i.e. how does China feels about that over the years. China has indeed never been a country that is offensive, unlike the west.

China prefers to fighting internally instead historically.

<comment><USER5> Unless never does not apply to any history older than about three decades past, I think Vietnam and India would have serious problems with the characterization that china has not been (militarily) offensive.

That's not to draw any comparison to the history of the us, but china is hardly a paragon of restraint, even in the relatively recent past.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Can China be contained? No, because China has finally figured out how to make their country work.

Russia never worked very well. It didn't work under the tsars, it made some progress under communism but never caught up, it regressed when the USSR broke up and Russia tried capitalism (deaths and poverty rose a lot), the oligarch era didn't help, and it's not doing that great as a semi-dictatorship. Containing the USSR worked because nobody wanted the USSR in charge.

China, on the other hand, has a system which is moving forward rapidly. It took them a long time to find something that worked. They had their disasters, such as the "Great Leap Forward", under Mao. Now, though, the country is doing a lot of things right. The government is unapologetically authoritarian, but not stupid. As long as the government can keep the standard of living going up, it can stay in power.

China's foreign policy is another matter. The government would like to dominate Asia. Taiwan remains an annoyance, but it's more like Cuba being an annoyance to the US, not a real problem for China. The countries in the area spend a lot of time and effort fussing over minor islands, but that's not likely to lead to a major war.

China is gradually building up a blue-water navy. With the amount of shipping China has, that makes sense for them. China has a lot of economic interests outside China now, and wants to be able to protect them. Economic power, not military power, leads the way.

It all depends on whether China can maintain its growth rate.

<comment><USER7> I would not say that the USSR did not make a lot of progress. It was technologically advanced (through it's use of design bureaus) but the inherent inefficiencies of it's system made it quite impossible to grow after a certain point (economically speaking).

China is playing it smart. It is waving the proverbial carrot in front of the faces of poorer countries in Africa etc. They would gladly support the Chinese coming over to build their infrastructure after being f __*ed over by the international (i.e. Western) financial institutions. They are running over to China because it can help them. China can already count on a large base of support from these countries.

The military is going to be used to further this base of support. Being strong means that more people would be inclined to deal with you, knowing that you can accord them protection. The military will play a huge role in increasing the economic might of China.

This will not happen soon. China still has a long way to go. China needs to assume greater control of world finance for this to work. Their new development bank is just firing up. China is still only a major exporter of cheap goods and electronics.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> The number of actual facts in this article is distressingly small. Paragraphs like this:

 _Even the U.S. business community, once Beijing's staunchest advocate in Washington, has lost some of its enthusiasm for engagement. James McGregor, a former chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China and now the China chairman of APCO Worldwide, a business consultancy, recalls helping to persuade U.S. trade associations to lobby for China's admission to the World Trade Organization, which happened in 2001._

make me wince because at any given time you can probably get someone to say business has lost enthusiasm for "engagement" and someone else to say business is as engaged as ever.

More importantly, Andrew Browne misses an extremely obvious point: the USSR had an ideology totally opposed to capitalism, a murderous state machine that killed _tens of millions_ of its own citizens, and an expansionist mindset demonstrated by Russia's control of Eastern Europe. China has none of those things. It is "communist" in name only; to the extent it has an ideology at its heart it might be called crony capitalism, or something like "material goods for all!" It would like to invade Taiwan, which is bad, and it is attempting to claim the South China Sea, which is also bad, but it isn't in the same order of magnitude as taking over half of Europe and flaming proxy wars around the world.

That an article like this even makes it into the WSJ is depressing.

<comment><USER3> > that killed tens of millions of its own citizens

China doesn't have that? It certainly had it.

<comment><USER9> No, it doesn't _have_ that. The era of Mao and the soviet ideology is long gone, but the number one priority ("maintain social harmony") made rejecting communism too expensive. jseliger is right in saying that today's China is "communist" only by name.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I don't know how much truth there is to this, but from the point of view of the several hundred Chinese netizens I know, a lot of China's current international policy decisions are arising out of desperation. For the past couple of decades, China has experience about 10% growth to its economy per year which has led to a wealth gap that makes ours look small. While the tide was rising, I suppose the average Chinese citizen had hope that perhaps he too can make it big... but with Xi's crack down on corruption (which, for good or evil, was just how business had worked in China), the economy slowed down considerably.

With that slow-down, the feeling of hope that the young unmarried men of China depended on to buoy up their spirits (it needed buoying up because there is tremendous societal pressure for them to find a good wife, but they outnumber girls their age by as many as 17 to 1 in certain cities) just vanished, leaving in its place restlessness and frustration. And if you get a bunch of young, restless, and frustrated men together, you have the historically tried and true recipe for destruction. I guess China's leadership, fearing for government stability, is looking to turn that sentiment outward via war, rather than take it inward via civil disobedience / revolution.

<comment><USER11> I don't know why you were downvoted but you've hit a lot of points which is fairly correct to assume.

Given that core East Asian familial, I'm not surprised by the tremendous societal and materialistic pressure on men of East Asian descent. Seriously....places like Korea and China men are regarded as just...fucking money making machine and nothing more.

Downturn of Chinese economy is a serious threat to the stability of the regime. The Chinese Dream or Zhonguo Meng, is uniting force. Everyone is out chasing money. It's like a giant ponzi scheme with someone on the other end always getting fucked while enriching those before it. When the flow of money stops so do these societal hierarchies built on money and power (easily purchasable with money in China), and suddenly 500 million middle class citizens who wants to stay that way become a very big force.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Meanwhile, in China, a headline reads "Can the U.S. be Contained?". On its face this rings of ethnocentrism.

* [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism)

<comment><AUTHOR> It's less ethnocentrism and more realism (the IR theory) and realist scholars proposing a different tack with how the US deals with China going forward.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> What would mean "be contained?"

Can US prevents China's influence to grow and keep bombing and destabilizing governments all around the world while the chinese invest so much in Latin America, Africa and Asia? I don't think so.

</comment><comment><USER14> The view from the other side: [http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/chi...](http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/china- dream-liu-mingfu-power/394748/)

</comment><comment><USER15> It will require a much different strategy than with the Soviets. We don't have a fundamental political difference in belief with the Chinese. The Chinese are ultra-capitalists with a technocracy leadership (although the u.s. is more lead by lawyers than engineers, so maybe there's a conflict there). It's not even clear if a conflict is necessary.

The Chinese mostly care about resources and economics in China - they are determined to have a minimum percentage of economic growth in order to continue pulling their population out of poverty. They have brought something like 500,000,000 Chinese into the middle class and want to continue doing so, and this requires economic growth. Their military is mostly run by officers that are running factories - not even on the side, it's just normal.

Granted, there's friction in places like in the South China Sea. But the real conflict will be in Africa - there are entire Chinese cities in Africa as they move engineers and resources to take on large engineering projects and exploit the vast resources of the area. But the u.s. has seemingly abandoned Africa (and South America) and instead is putting all of their money into the middle east and Afghanistan/Iraq/Iran.

I wonder if the u.s. will just concede Africa to the Chinese or if there will be conflict in the future.

(If you do a google search you'll come across articles about chinese ghost cities in Africa, but keep in mind that all of these ghost cities, even in china and mongolia, are eventually filled with chinese)

<comment><USER16> Thank god there are Chinese cities in Africa. If they follow the western way and put high paid management there only, there will never be roads. For years western can always go to Africa and say 'oh, so poor, we can help them' to top up their compassion credit.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> "watching the administration of President Xi Jinping crack down hard on internal dissent while challenging the U.S. for leadership in Asia"

but that's exactly Xi Jinping's motive. People watching and making their own conclusions as long as its coming from the citizens. To Chinese public, Xi looks like a straightshooter, standing up for justice and vying for the attention of united states.

In reality, the outcome is increased internal support for Xi. The foreign policy component is a paper tiger. China has no desire or the capability to enter a military conflict with United States. No other countries can seriously oppose United States in a conventional warfare, even if they all got together and decided to attack it.

So China can be contained as long as it rejects democracy and run by a central power. This won't last long however. We are already seeing the CCP is faltering. When you live by the gun you die by the gun. Such is power in a allocated and dictated hierarchy. The challenge for China is to determine at which point do you introduce a democracy. Too soon or too late will both divide the country.

<comment><USER17> Empires rise and fall. The British empire at its zenith was impressive as well and was almost unchallenged. Military supremacy follows economic development.

I'm curious how the next 100 years will turn out (I'll experience 60+ of those, if I'm lucky), considering the following:

\- the shift in American demographics (how long will the slightly right-of- center politics hold? To which side of the spectrum will it shift?)

\- if China manages to sustain it's growth rate. Superpower status seems guaranteed at this point

\- how unified will Europe be? what happens to Nato

<comment><USER18> If you believe the 'singularity' stuff, the changes will dwarf those you mention.

<comment><USER17> I do believe in the 'singularity' stuff - but I doubt it will happen within the next 100 years. I don't think as humans we are ready for it yet socially or politically (post-scarcity).

We're pretty terrible at distributing resources currently - not because of logistics mind you, but pure self-interest. that's not going to change overnight. If we were to upload our consciousness today, we're going to end up looking more like a balkanized "The Terminator" rather than "The Culture"

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, prints up to 282% of GDP [1] in order to buy their way into other countries real estate and companies, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.

[1] [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/11/c...](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/11/chinas- increase-in-debt-is-massive-and-unsustainable/)

<comment><USER20> I don't know if you realize it or maybe the sarcasm is lost in this medium. However many of the things you just said about China, with the exception of being an authoritarian government, could also be said about the US.

<comment><USER11> I would rather have US as an authoritarian government than China. I mean do you see how China treats it's own people? It's fucking horrid. the 500 mil Chinese pulled out of poverty line is classic propaganda CCP would love to have you spewing.

<comment><USER5> It seems pretty clear that china has done a better job in raising the overall circumstances of the poorest of its citizens than many other developing countries over a similar time span. I'm not just talking about a bunch of African basket cases either. Look at India; for all the progress they have made, the poorest of their people live in horrible circumstances, the likes of which one doesn't find in the same enormous magnitude. I'm sure china could have done much worse. I know which country I'd rather be destitute in. Now how much of that is attributable to something like the one child policy where the have essentially mortgaged their future in exchange for fantastic present growth? We will find out eventually.

<comment><USER11> India is different because they don't embrace the same communist party ideology and leadership structure. Unfortunately, the government has no power because all the money in India is flowing to private anonymous banking friendly countries and they can't tax it.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Install script does rm -rf /usr for ubuntu - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/issues/123 <comment><USER2> Good reminder to always have an actively tested data and environment recovery plan.</comment>


Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/ <comment><USER2> It feels like Orwellian level double-speak to market an app that is designed to allow Facebook to monitor at your mobile traffic as "protecting" your phone and "securing" your connection.

They say a good salesman can sell ice to an eskimo. Well, today we found out a great marketing person can sell spyware as security software.

<comment><USER3> This comment reminded of this clip of Chris Hitchens about North Korea

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-Vr_r36Fg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-Vr_r36Fg)

(paraphrasing:) "Going in, I knew I wouldn't call them Orwellian. But eventually they make you do it"

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> >This past fall, Facebook snatched up the teen compliment app tbh, and quickly integrated a similar Q&A feature into its social network soon after. This all took place before Tbh had truly established itself as a new social network. It wasn't clear at the time if it was the next big thing, or just a flash in the pan. (It appears to have been the latter.) Onavo's insights into Tbh's fast rise and heavy engagement likely gave Facebook a heads-up. >it's not likely that all Onavo users understand they're actually feeding Facebook the information that allows it to take on any challenger to its social networking empire.

I wonder if it's be possible to make a social networking startup, optimise solely for Onavo metrics, and get bought out by Facebook.

<comment><USER5> All you have to do is create a social/chat app and get most teens and young adults to start using it. Piece of cake. Profit train here we come!

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> _" Like other VPNs, it acts as a secure connection to protect people from potentially harmful sites."_

Ah, no... that's not what a VPN is for

 _" The app may collect your mobile data traffic to help us recognize tactics that bad actors use"_

So, competitors?

<comment><USER7> VPN has always been marketed as a silver bullet that protects you from all the evil that exists on the Internet. Only if people were little more aware about how it works, they'd not fall prey to such tricks.

That said, as we discuss this of HN, there will be millions out there falling prey to FB.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> This is how Facebook always manages to buy those up-and-coming social network apps approximately 2 weeks after they launch.

It sees all the apps folks are using and buys and kills the ones that look threatening.

</comment><comment><USER9> Fb keeps many things within its own app - all links clicked inside the app never goes to browser.this is a very big security risk, imo.

Controlling webview means they can even see your password and all.

<comment><USER10> I hate this trend. I think all the major messenger apps do this now, it was an awful surprise in LINE. The yelp app is basically unusable now for researching new restaurants since they go so far as to prevent people from popping out into a real browser, and now the Gmail app attempts to lock you in now too.

<comment><USER11> I hate it too. Mainly because my behavior - especially on Yelp - is to open multiple restaurants in tabs in my browser. Even on mobile. Then I can compare the ones I like.

This is impossible within their tabless "embedded" browser. So I end up using my laptop.

<comment><USER12> Yelp has one of the worst and most spiteful mobile websites, too. Most of the features are removed, you're limited to a handful of pictures and I don't think you can even read all the reviews. It's enough to make me not want to use them at all.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> The FB mobile site works really well on my iPhone.

<comment><USER14> Not sure if you know but just in case; you can use mbasic.facebook.com to save some data (and I found it to be much easier to use, less clutter).

<comment><USER15> Plus, it offers messaging without the Messenger app.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> How does something like this interact with the GDPR? Like Art 5, 1b, "collected for specified, explicit and legitimate purposes and not further processed in a manner that is incompatible with those purposes" \- I'm not sure that "analysing VPN traffic to find out what apps people are using" qualifies.

Or even Art 5, 1c, "adequate, relevant and limited to what is necessary in relation to the purposes for which they are processed".

Art 9, 1, "Processing of personal data revealing [anything uniquely personal] shall be prohibited." Knowing that someone is launching Grindr, for example, is a partial clue to their sexual identity. etc.etc.

</comment><comment><USER17> What is it about Facebook these days that every new thing they try is evil?

<comment><USER18> It's not about what Facebook is doing, it's about how it's perceived. Many blame Facebook for the Brexit/Trump/ultra-right rise and see any step of the social media giant as evil. You know how they say...if a man connects lives of a billion people and fucks up one democracy, they don't call him a visionary, they call him evil.

<comment><USER3> In my opinion Brexit/Trump go back way before Facebook. Facebook was just another tool to be exploited for those with the agenda.

<comment><USER18> Indeed, there is a lot more in brexit/trump story, but not everything causes the Congressional Hearing on the foreign hostile state meddling in the 2016 election.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Facebook releasing a VPN app, hard to say how ironic that is.

Seems to be some sort of communication strategy to show they care about privacy or something, to consumers who understand nothing about computers.

<comment><USER20> It's not really them releasing one, they bought one that was established and then just started siphoning user data. For a long time there was no obvious link in the App Store from Onavo to Facebook.

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> Brave browser + mobile website. Brave supports "Desktop Site", at least on Android, so you can get your messenging in too.

<comment><USER22> Messaging on facebook works on the lite website too. I2d recommend you to try it if the giant bloat bothers you

<comment><USER23> Last time I tried it didn't work with the lite app.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> Is this a new or different presentation of Onavo in the FB app? I've seen this menu item in the Android app for probably 2 years or more.</comment>


Why restaurant meals don't look like the ads - <AUTHOR> http://www.cnbc.com/id/101664104 <comment><USER2> I don't call "restaurant" a place where you eat sandwiches. Cultural point, I guess.

<comment><USER3> Colloquially if most people eat there, you have to ask a server for a bag its a restaurant, if its normal or at least not noteworthy to walk out (or drive thru) with a bag of food its a store. One is primarily a place to eat, and they also happen to sell food. The other is a place to get food, although you can often sit there and eat.

Internally if its a franchise most call it a store (Hi we're store #35135 and our computer is broken ...). My source is my sister who worked a long time ago at McD. So the first "site" museum is called store number 1, her job title eventually was "store manager", their annual economic results are reported as "same store sales" etc.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> "You think models wake up looking like that every day? They have a lot of people making sure they look as good as they can—same thing with food,"

Except that when you see a model, what's being sold to you is the outfit the model is wearing, not the model itself.

<comment><USER5> Yes, but arguably. The model gives you a vision of "I could look like that if I wore what they're wearing." It is a weird metaphor for fast food regardless.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> For the most part, restaurant meals do look like the ads, or even better than the ads. This does not apply to fast food stores like McDonalds, Wendys, Subway, etc.

Fast food stores don't build their reputation around how their food looks because their food is prepared as take-out from the start. It comes in a box or wrapped up in foil or paper. The fast food store doesn't care about how it looks, but they do care about the speed in which it is prepared, paid for - and how fast they can get that customer out the door and replaced with another.

</comment><comment><USER7> The store bought items look surprisingly close to the ads. The food ads appear, relatively less modified than say the female on the cover of every fashion mag.

</comment><comment><USER3> Its not just the food. For an equally good time compare the employees and customers in the advertisements with actual employees and actual customers.

For some retail establishments like Walmart this can be highly contrasting. Olive Garden and Applebees are strangely honest.

</comment><comment><USER8> Another big difference is how they cook the patties. They only brown a frozen patty. This is why it look thicker. When you cook the patty it looses fat and juices. This makes it look thin.</comment>