Apple Now The Most Valuable Company In The World - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/09/apple-exxon-valuable-company/ <comment><USER2> The most valuable publicly traded company anyway. I am quite sure that Saudi Aramco is more valuable than either Exxon or Apple.

With that said, it is perhaps unlikely that Apple will be able to maintain its current advantage in the smartphone and tablet markets over the long-term.

On the other hand, at a P/E ratio of roughly 14 Apple does not exactly seem to be overvalued at this point in time.

Something else to consider is their cash hoard. What exactly do they intend to do with that $28.4 Billion dollars in cash? That is a mystery that I would love to know the answer to.

Personally, if I were Apple, I would be supplying investors with a dividend at this point in time. The fact that they are not indicates that they are either stubborn or they believe they are still capable of significant growth.

Let's assume they believe they are still capable of significant growth. The cynic in me doubts that this is the case - just because of the significant amount of competitive pressure that they are facing. The optimist in me thinks that it just may be possible for Apple to still expand.

Apple's history encourages the optimist in me. Apple is one company that, historically, it has always been a serious mistake to count out. However, how much of this amazing resiliency depends on Apple having Steve Jobs. Well... That's another wildcard.

I just don't know. It should be a very interesting next decade for Apple customers, investors, and competitors.

 _This post does not constitute investment advice._

<comment><USER3> Apple has about $76 billion in cash after the last quarter. Not sure where you got $28.4 billion from.

Also, I'm not sure why you say that Apple is unlikely to maintain it's advantage in the smartphone and tablet industry. I'd say they are very likely to maintain an advantage, especially when it comes to profits. No other manufacture has an entire ecosystem in place for it's customers quite like the way Apple does (digital stores, iCloud, Retail stores, etc).

<comment><USER2> I understand why you may be confused, because this was pretty poorly reported recently and I was not completely specific in my post.

Some Miscellaneous References:

[http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii](http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii)

<http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=AAPL+Key+Statistics>

[http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/07/19Apple-Reports- Thir...](http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/07/19Apple-Reports-Third- Quarter-Results.html)

Apple does not have 76 billion in cash. It has 76 billion in cash, cash- equivalents, and long-term marketable securities. There is a significant difference.

For clarification, please see here:

[http://seekingalpha.com/article/258268-debunking-the- myths-o...](http://seekingalpha.com/article/258268-debunking-the-myths-of- apple-s-liquid-assets)

 _This post does not constitute investment advice._

<comment><USER3> Thanks for the clarification. I've just never heard anyone be as specific about it as you, and I appreciate it. Almost everyone (non-financial sites and reports) considers it all "cash" and reports it as such.

<comment><USER4> Yes, the $76 billion includes $47.7 billion of long term investments, and possibly in there are the value of the supplier agreements that Apple is so famous for.

On the other hand... potato, po-tah-to?

While I'm acutely aware of the vast difference between $28 billion and $76 billion, can anyone name the largest acquisition Apple has ever completed?

More importantly, can anyone recall the amount?

Apple is one of the most acquisition-averse large companies I've ever seen. What they will do with $28 billion--let alone $76 billion--is beyond me.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> How hard would it be for them to run a graph of the market cap of APPL and XOM throughout the day, rather than the related, but misleading %change throughout the day, which makes it look like they started equal and diverged from there.

I know that it's not something that's screen capturable with broswing to finance.google, but a little effort people.

<comment><USER6> Here's a 5-year chart of market caps for Apple, Exxon-Mobil, and Microsoft: [http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap#zoom=5&comp...](http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap#zoom=5&compCos=XOM,MSFT)

<comment><USER7> even better if you run the chart back to 2002, when apple was hurting.

[http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap#zoom=&compC...](http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap#zoom=&compCos=XOM,MSFT&startDate=9/30/2002&endDate=8/9/2011)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> What's amazing is that Apple still managed to grow its profit 125% year over year last quarter. A huge company, hugely profitable, and still hugely growing.

<comment><USER9> I personally figure it's the Apple Tax, aka very comfortable profit margins, plus the short life cycle of technology.

<comment><USER9> Yeah, you guys are probably right. Apple's profit margins probably don't have much to do with their profitability.

<comment><USER6> Unless the margins have grown dramatically, they are unlikely to accounts for Apple's growth this past year. If the margins, high as they are, remain the same, the growth comes from expanding the number of customers they have.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Wait, Exxon has a P/E of 8.86 that's rediculusly for such a stable company IMO. Am I missing something obvious or is it a great buy right now?

<comment><USER11> Stable, non-growth companies typically have much lower P/Es. There's absolutely no chance that Exxon will double in revenue in the next couple of years; that's entirely possible for Apple.

<comment><USER12> I agree. Most people are already Exxon customers. Most people aren't Apple customers.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Next on the agenda for Apple? Purchase Michael Dell.

<comment> A-K Almost fifteen years later, and that snarky statement is still the first thing I think of when someone mentions Michael Dell: [http://news.cnet.com/Dell- Apple-should-close-shop/2100-1001_...](http://news.cnet.com/Dell-Apple-should- close-shop/2100-1001_3-203937.html)

Can't imagine how awkward a meeting between Jobs and Dell would be--at least for Dell.

<comment><USER14> I think both would have a good laugh. Dell was wrong, Jobs not only saved Apple but turned it into one of the largest companies in the planet.

Being slightly wrong is boring. Being so completely wrong is fun.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> They're actually swapping places back and forth, since the market hasn't closed yet (as of 2:54 EST).

</comment><comment><USER16> One day people will learn that price != value. Apple is definitely one of the most valuable companies in the world, but you can't say it's the most valuable because it has the largest market cap - not unless you believe in efficient market theory, but that's a debate for another day :)

<comment><USER17> Price is the best metric I've ever seen for value. Sure emotion, hype and misinformation can make price diverge from value for a time, but it inevitably converges to value.

You have something better?

<comment><USER16> Price is the best metric, but a metric is a standard for measurement, not an accurate measurement. Apple went from $392 a share on April 4th to as low as $353 just before yesterday's close. Are you telling me that apple lost $36 billion in value over a period of 5 days, or that it gained $5 billion in value today?

The market is a voting machine in the short term and a weighing machine in the long run. Saying that Apple is now the world's most valuable company is a stupid statement because it's based entirely on today's market cap.

<comment><USER18> Most people understand that Stock Price relates to current assets AND expected future returns. What most people miss, is that the value of future returns vary's based on the price of other investments. Conciser if 3 year US treasury bonds had a yield of 17% then the value of most stocks would tank as their future earnings become less valuable today.

So, when the market crashed the value of Apple stock drops even if their future earnings are unaffected.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Sensational headline now most sensational in the world! Marketwatch.com already listed in HN but with less sensational headline and more accurate content.</comment>


As VLC for iPhone, iPad Pulled from App Store, What's the Future for GPL Apps? - <AUTHOR> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/as_vlc_for_iphone_ipad_pulled_from_app_store_whats.php?sms_ss=hackernews&at_xt=4d2a64dfb7944dc3%2C0 <comment><USER2> There's a companion piece to the TUAW story linked in the article: [http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/09/the-gpl-the-app-store-and- you...](http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/09/the-gpl-the-app-store-and-you/)

</comment><comment><USER3> As I do not have any i-equpiment from Apple, I wonder what GPLed apps are currently in the Cydia app store?

<comment><USER4> Android apps violate the GPL as well because they're also wrapped in DRM.

<comment><USER5> GPL is not incompatible with DRM. The problem with GPL and Apple's store is the store's license terms.</comment></comment></comment>


The Hardest Part of Being a Non-Native Speaker of English - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/@imantumorang/a-hardest-path-of-being-a-non-native-speaker-of-english-68fcc753bcd0 <comment><USER2> Good on you for putting yourself out there and putting in the work to improve your English. It sucks that feedback is so harsh.

Your English is understandable, but still recognizable as written by someone who's learning. Your next major challenges will likely be a) learning tenses other than the present tense; b) understanding what prepositions to use in what context; and c) understanding where to use singular vs plural nouns.

You shouldn't feel bad about not having internalized those points yet. The present tense is always the first tense a language learner encounters. And even as a native speaker I'd be hard-pressed to articulate clear rules for B and C. IMO the best way to learn those things is to read a lot that you're confident has been written or copy-edited by native speakers. For instance, articles in the NY Times or the New Yorker are edited to meet a high grammatical standard.

Are you looking for direct feedback on your writing? Here's how a native speaker would write the first paragraph of the linked article:

Writing has been one of my hobbies since I was in high school. But writing an English story is still a bit new to me. I started writing English articles/stories a year ago.

Another way to phrase that last sentence might be:

I've been writing articles and stories in English for a year now.

Or:

I wrote my first English article/story a year ago.</comment>


Nexus One USB host runs DisplayLink, Keyboards, Mouse - <AUTHOR> http://sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/

<comment><USER2> So is the Nexus One the only one with a usb host?

I'd be very excited if other android devices had a usb host, imagine the peripherals I could attach to my phone.

Way back when, i preferred the android devices to the iphone because of the usb port rather than the proprietary apple port. Now, the fact that you can have these extra devices attached to your iphone while the android can't is one feature i'd like android to catch up with.

</comment><comment><USER3> I've been working very hard on getting USB host for the n900. It's mostly working if you're either quick as a ninja or willing to buy a specific type of dongle.

</comment><comment><USER4> sorry, can someone explain the point of this demo?

is the Nexus One producing output for the monitor on the left? what about the monitor on the right?

if so, why is he launching the video on the tiny Nexus One screen, instead of the large monitor screen on the left?

<comment><USER5> i think the point of starting the video was just to show that he can read data from usb.

<comment><USER4> thanks... maybe I need the subtitled version of the video :)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> This opens the door to running your phone as a low-powered, miniature PC while docked.</comment>


Ask HN: How to get good in Tensorflow? - <AUTHOR> Any HNers doing deep learning with TF?
I am currently learning Tensorflow, and seems the API is too big, learning curve is too steep compared to Theano, Pytorch and Chainer.
I can't get doing declarative programming in Python and Tensorflow. Lots of scoping with with (...) :
Even Theano is more intuitive (at least for me) and make more sense in its API, even though it also has lots of hacks and is define-then-run like TF.
How do you get good in using Tensorflow, create models, using tfdbg, how to step trace your code, using withs, etc. ?
Thanks. <comment><USER2> The big pieces that have helped me understand and grow with tf:

I began learning a lot about the workflow through cookbooks with dialogue on why specific practices are used. My favorites started small with something like a linear regression model and hit all the major notes up to neural nets. If you go this route, I would pick something published recently so you are starting with the current version and can learn the new features as they are released.

From there I could begin to understand online tutorials on implementing this or that model. This gave me a lot of context on how I could begin testing different ideas and tuning my hyper parameters in my own models.

Someone who is a true pro can take if from here.

</comment><comment><USER3> Disclaimer: I write competing software to tensorflow and compete with google cloud which commercializes tensorflow.

So let me turn this on its head. Why does it matter? Use what you find works for you. If you already know the concepts, what's stopping you from just using pytorch for now?

I would suggest stepping back and asking yourself that first. Don't learn something "cuz hype".

Granted, TF has the new eager api that just came out. That might help you?

</comment><comment><USER4> I use it through Keras and my job gets done.

<comment><AUTHOR> Pytorch and Chainer are more transparent. Sometimes you need to do custom gradient and stuff. Keras abstraction is too leaky</comment></comment>


San Francisco closes new $2.2B transit hub after crack found in support beam - <AUTHOR> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/25/san-francisco-salesforce-transit-center-transbay-closed <comment><USER2> This after over $2 billion dollars spent so far, and after a vulnerability review halfway into construction (why did it wait until then?), Fred Clarke said "We already had a very safe building. Now we probably have one of the safest buildings in the world." [1]

[1] [https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2017/transbay- terminal/the-...](https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2017/transbay-terminal/the- beginning/)

<comment><USER3> Is it ideal? Of course not. But it is far better than ignoring the problem as was done in Miami, where a college's pedestrian bridge collapsed over a roadway (after possible failure signals were ignored), killing several people on the roadway below and a construction worker.

<comment><USER2> Yep, never said it was bad. But the cost of this transit center is absolutely enormous for what it is -- a glorified bus station and park. There aren't even plans for BART connectivity, and the cost doesn't include the pricetag for MUNI metro linkage.

<comment><USER3> I'm not a California resident, and don't have the bandwidth to perform this, but you might consider using Muckrock.com to dig in with FOIA requests to determine what the story is with regards to the cost, budget, engineering deficiencies, etc. I'm happy to gift you requests to get this done (there is a small cost).

[https://www.muckrock.com/](https://www.muckrock.com/)

<comment><USER2> I don't really have time either unfortunately. That's a cool application though, is it yours? I used to work for JustFOIA.

<comment><USER3> Not my app, just a huge fan.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


What Happens When You Always Wear Headphones - <AUTHOR> https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/what-happens-if-you-always-wear-headphones/589474/# <comment><USER2> The article makes no attempt to answer the question in the thread title.

Tldr: woman wears headphones a lot because they have a noisy office, noisy apartment and ear buds help her sleep. Thats it. It's a non article.</comment>


Yoga Nidra - <AUTHOR> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_nidra <comment><AUTHOR> Ajna Chakra

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Tattwa Shuddhi: The Tantric Practice of Inner Purification

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Prana Vidya

[https://www.amazon.com/Prana-Vidya-Satyananda-Saraswati- Nira...](https://www.amazon.com/Prana-Vidya-Satyananda-Saraswati- Niranjananandaji/dp/9381620784/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_1/139-2498202-6307503?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=9381620784&pd_rd_r=cc423a49-23e9-41fd-9534-54505ddf7268&pd_rd_w=b6Xlm&pd_rd_wg=OEBp3&pf_rd_p=b8a2c7de-9fb8-4274-a4f3-29ec4fffe45b&pf_rd_r=4WSTX63Z4RQXVNCGGTBB&psc=1&refRID=4WSTX63Z4RQXVNCGGTBB)

<comment><AUTHOR> [https://www.amazon.com/Om-Mantra-Chants-417hz- Negative/dp/B0...](https://www.amazon.com/Om-Mantra-Chants-417hz- Negative/dp/B072C8K8FL)

</comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> A Systematic Course in the Ancient Tantric Techniques of Yoga and Kriya

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Yogic Management Of Common Diseases

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The Practice of Yoga for the Digestive System

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Yoga and Cardiovascular Management

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</comment><comment><AUTHOR> "The path to awakening is always a process of release and liberation, never a process of activation and stimulation. You want to be liberated from the chakras, not empower them. Do you want to strengthen your base urges, or do you want to rise above them? Now some of the chakras are particularly difficult knots to unravel, Muladhara is commonly known to be a difficult knot to unravel because we are all naturally attached to the earth element (earth includes all physical matter, which includes the body). The Vishuddha chakra is another really sticky one. What do humans love to do? Create and communicate. It's difficult to let these things go." \- pmward

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> khechari mudra steps:

step 1: talabya kriya, it relaxes linguistic mind, until it clicks free

step 2: stretch the tongue to touch the uvula using tongue

step 3: bring the tongue to the uvula, stretch the frenulum.

step 4: bring the tongue out, grab it with towel to stretch it out.

step 5: (apply this after the frenulum has been stretched enough, it's a very long process)

put the tongue to the nasopharynx, by pushing with finger, with nice, easy, and gentle way, don't rush it.

step 6: the khechari would be new for your body, so to make it more gentle, gargle with saltwater,

it will sterilize nasopharynx

step 7: push it into nasopharynx over and over again, maybe 10-12 times everyday, see how long the tongue can stay there without any reaction (example sneeze, swallowing saliva) you must get to use to it, repeat step 6.

stretch the soft palate to reprogram that it is okay for tongue to go up into nasopharynx

the endgame would be to reach sphenoid sinus

source: forrest knutson [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC- Cn9H6CQE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-Cn9H6CQE)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [https://wildyogi.info/en/issue/mikhail-baranov-kumbhaka- asan...](https://wildyogi.info/en/issue/mikhail-baranov-kumbhaka-asanas-part- one-99-percents-practice-advanced-practitioners-only) [https://www.facebook.com/wildyogimagazine/](https://www.facebook.com/wildyogimagazine/) [https://wildyogi.info/en/tantra-there-are-no-castes-no- gende...](https://wildyogi.info/en/tantra-there-are-no-castes-no-gender- interview-vagish-shastry) [http://www.vagyoga.co.in/](http://www.vagyoga.co.in/)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [https://www.amazon.com/Darshan-Yogic-Upanishadic- Practices-C...](https://www.amazon.com/Darshan-Yogic-Upanishadic-Practices- Concentration-Visualization/dp/8186336303)

[https://www.amazon.com/Moola-Bandha-Master-Swami- Buddhananda...](https://www.amazon.com/Moola-Bandha-Master-Swami- Buddhananda/dp/8185787328)

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</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Today I've observed when I was losing power when I had a cold shower, my heart was getting hurt too. Anahata?

2020-09-16 13:16 WIB

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [https://web.archive.org/web/20200911061810/https://filebin.n...](https://web.archive.org/web/20200911061810/https://filebin.net/pfzsqd0s84swofpd/Moola- Bandha-_Bihar-Yoga_.pdf?t=fm9lces2)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [https://www.yinyoga.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2179&sid=39ec...](https://www.yinyoga.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2179&sid=39ec46a8a566787c7db660492a25e4d2)

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</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [https://selfdefinition.org/yoga/](https://selfdefinition.org/yoga/)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [http://hihtindia.org/mastery-over-death-by-swami- rama/](http://hihtindia.org/mastery-over-death-by-swami-rama/)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> [http://www.swamij.com/yoga-nidra-method5.htm](http://www.swamij.com/yoga- nidra-method5.htm)

<comment><AUTHOR> [https://pastebin.com/UJL9tuW9](https://pastebin.com/UJL9tuW9) yoga nidra instruction by swami satyananda saraswati

Complete Scheme of Practices 1-5

Preparation: Shavasana, general instructions, admonitions not to move or go to sleep

Relaxation: Body/Om; Antar mouna, Om / breathing

Resolve: Make your own resolve

Rotation of consciousness: Right side, left side, back, front, major parts, front and back, right side reverse, left side reverse, whole back, whole front, inner parts

Body awareness: Body/floor; body/mirror; body/skin

Breathing: Navel, chest, throat and nostril. Throat, navel; m ental alternate nostril; eyebrow centre

Sensations: Heaviness/lightness, cold/heat, pain/ pleasure

Inner space: Space in front of the eyes and forehead; chidakasha; colours and patterns; ocean, well; spontaneous thought, meditation

Story visualization: Park/temple; mountain; floating body; well/ocean; eyebrow centre/ Om/golden egg; well/golden egg; inner space (optional)

Psychic centre visualization: Position and form of psychic centres or chakras, rotation through them

Psychic symbol visualization: Symbols for each chakra

Eyebrow centre/ Om visualization: Circles of Om centred on eyebrow centre

Asana visualization: See yourself doing asanas

Movement in time: A backwards review of the events of the day

Rapid image visualization: Quick recitation of a wide selection of images

Story visualization: Ocean/temple; ocean/jungle

Transparent body visualization: Physical body and transparent body connected by golden cord

Aura visualization: Colours

Golden egg visualization: Golden egg in flaming light in chidakasha; golden egg in centre of brain

Resolve: Repeat resolve

Finish: Breathing, body and room awareness \</comment></comment><comment></comment><comment></comment><comment></comment><comment></comment><comment>----- Yoga Nidra 1 89-97 Preparation: Introductory

Relaxation: Body/Om

Resolve

Rotation of consciousness: Right side, left side, back, front, major parts

Breathing: Counting breaths with navel, chest, throat and nostril awareness; each 27 to 1

Image visualization: Introductory

Resolve

Finish

Alternative short practices: As an interlude at work As a prelude to sleep

Yoga Nidra 2 98-107

Preparation

Relaxation: Antar mouna

Resolve

Rotation of consciousness: Right side, left side, back, front, major parts

Body/floor awareness

Breathing: Throat to navel: 54 to 1 or 27 to 1

Awareness of sensations: Heaviness/lightness, cold/heat, pain/pleasure

Inner space: Chidakasha

Visualization: Park/temple

Inner space: Chidakasha

Resolve

Finish

Alternative visualizations: Mountain Floating body Well/ocean

Yoga Nidra 3 108-115

Preparation

Relaxation: Antar mouna

Resolve

Rotation of consciousness: Right side, left side, back, front, major parts

Skin awareness

Breathing: Mental alternate nostril: 108 to 1

Inner space: Chidakasha

Visualization: Eyebrow centre/Om

Inner space: Chidakasha

Resolve

Finish

Alternate visualizations: Eyebrow centre Golden egg Well/golden egg Climbing the sacred mountain

Yoga Nidra 4 116-127

Preparation

Relaxation: Om/breathing

Resolve

Rotation of consciousness: Right side, left side, right side reverse, left side reverse, whole back down, whole back up, whole front down, whole front up, major parts

Body/mirror awareness

Breathing: Mental alternate nostril: 54 to 1

Awareness of sensations: Heaviness/lightness, pain/pleasure

Inner space: Ocean, well, spontaneous thought

Visualizations: Asana, movement in time, rapid image, ocean/jungle, golden egg

Resolve

Finish

Alternate visualization sequence: Psychic centres (location) Psychic symbols

Yoga Nidra 5 128-139

Preparation

Relaxation: Antar mouna

Resolve

Rotation of consciousness: Right side, left side, front, back, inner parts, major parts

Breathing: Eyebrow centre; 54 to 1

Feelings: Cold/heat, pain/pleasure

Inner space: Person in chidakasha, ocean, well, spontaneous thoughts, willed thoughts

Visualization: Eyebrow centre/Om Ocean/temple

Resolve

Finish

Alternate visualization sequence: Psychic centres (location and form) Psychic symbols Eyebrow centre/Om Rapid images Transparent body Aura Golden egg \</comment><comment></comment><comment></comment><comment></comment><comment></comment><comment> Preparation: Please get ready for yoga nidra. Lie down on your back on the floor and adopt the pose called shavasana. In this position the body should be straight from head to toe, the legs slighty apart and the arms a little away from the body, with the palms of the hands turned upwards, (pause) Adjust everything, your body, position and clothes, until you are completely comfortable. During yoga nidra there should be no physical movement, (pause) Close your eyes and keep them strictly closed until you are told to open them. Take a deep breath and as you breathe out feel the cares and worries of the day flow out of you. (pause) In the practice which follows you are going to develop the feeling of relaxation in the body. It is not necessary to make movements or deliberately relax your muscles, simply develop the feeling of relaxation, (pause) It is like the feeling you have just before sleep... when relaxation becomes deep, sleep does come but you should try to keep yourself completely awake, this is very important. Make a resolution to yourself now that 'I will not sleep, I will remain awake throughout the practice.' (pause) During yoga nidra you are functioning on the levels of hearing and awareness, and the only important thing is to follow the voice of the instructor, (pause) You must not try to intellectualize or analyze the instructions as this will disturb your mental relaxation. Simply follow the voice with total attention and feeling, and if thoughts come to disturb you from time to time, do not worry, just continue the practice, (pause) Take a deep breath and as you breathe in feel coolness and calmness spreading throughout the body... as you breathe out, feel your cares and worries flowing out of you, dropping away, (long pause)

Relaxation:

-Body/Om: Now bring about a feeling of inner relaxation in the whole body...concentrate on the body and become aware of the importance of complete stillness, (pause) Develop your awareness of the body from the top of the head to the tips of the toes and mentally repeat the mantra

O-o-o-m-m-m. (pause) Complete stillness and complete awareness of the whole body...again O-o-o-m-m-m. (pause) Continue your awareness of the whole body...the whole body...the whole body, (long pause) Become aware of the fact that you are going to practise yoga nidra...say mentally to yourself, 'I am aware...I am going to practise yoga nidra...repeat this to yourself again, (pause) T he practice of yoga nidra begins now.</comment>


Ask HN: Is HackerNews asking for my location? Why? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> I've never seen that. What makes you think it's asking for your location?

<comment><AUTHOR> Just asked on my PC, I'm on Google Chrome. Never saw that as well, made me curious.

<comment><USER2> [https://news.ycombinator.com/hn.js](https://news.ycombinator.com/hn.js) is quite small and I don't see any related code. Any chance it's something that gets inserted by a browser plugin or (worst case) ISP?

<comment><AUTHOR> Gonna look into it, thanks.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


The Mount St. Helens Eruption Was the Volcanic Warning We Needed - <AUTHOR> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/science/mt-st-helens-eruption.html <comment><USER2> An interesting parallel to today from the Mount St. Helens eruption is what happened in the city of Ritzville, Washington that was directly in the path of much of the ash. Many motorists coming back from Eastern Washington got stranded there because of poor visibility and up to six inches of ash on almost everything. They overwhelmed the city's facilities and were effectively quarantined within a school cafeteria. After two days a group of motorists tried to break the quarantine:

"So two days after the eruption, a large group of "rebel motorists" chose to ignore official warnings and try to make an escape from Ritzville. Most turned around within a few miles as they encountered nasty, gritty ground blizzards of ash. Some had to pull over when their clogged cars died. Police said didn't know how many cars made it out, but they said it wasn't more than 100."

Source: [https://www.historylink.org/File/9398](https://www.historylink.org/File/9398) (From History Link, a great free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Several states have projects like this online which are fun ways to learn about the history of small towns, how a particular region reacted to a large historical event, etc.)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> This was one of the most memorable events from my early childhood. We lived a couple hundred kilometers east of the volcano, in the area where much of the ash plume landed. It was a Sunday morning in our tiny farming town and people were unaware the volcano erupted, it was people leaving church that first noticed that a pitch black curtain was being pulled over the sky from the west. It was unreal looking. When it passed over us, it was blacker than the blackest nights outside, you could not see your hand in front of your face. And then it started "snowing"...

It interfered with RF transmission where we lived, so the initial news that it was a volcanic eruption was learned via landline telephones to people outside the area. It looked pretty damn apocalyptic when it happened, particularly since radio and television stopped working.

A really unique experience. You still see remnants of the ash piles in that part of the Washington, 40 years later.

<comment><USER3> Not nearly as dramatic, but I remember being in SoCal in 2003 during a rather bad fire in October. I was at the drag races in Pomona with my girlfriend. Looking west it was blue skies w/ scattered clouds. Looking east the sky looked like it was full of black & gray clouds on fire. There was a light layer of ash covering everything, too. It was pretty surreal. I've never seen anything else like it.

<comment><USER4> Even less dramatic, being somewhere near the edge of an Australian bush fire in January this year.

Orange sun, burnt gum tree leaves raining down from the sky.

That was the warning we all needed about the hot future that awaits us.

Seems like a distant memory now - so much has happened since then.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> > It could have been worse. As the volcano's activity ramped up in March, > scientists had to continually persuade the authorities to restrict access to > all but law enforcement, volcano monitoring teams and other essential staff. > Some groups protested, in an echo of events now occurring during the > coronavirus pandemic, pointing to the impact the no-go zones were having on > the local economy. If it wasn't for the vigilance and insistence of > scientists such as Dr. Johnston, the death toll could have been in the > thousands.

</comment><comment><USER6> > Dr. Johnston, seeing the north face fall from Coldwater II, jumped on the > radio. "Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!" he cried. Moments later, the > blast engulfed the 30-year-old scientist. On another ridge two miles behind > him, Gerry Martin, an amateur radio operator who was observing the volcano > for the Washington Department of Emergency Services, saw the annihilation of > Coldwater II. His last words were: "It's going to get me, too."

Haunting stuff.

<comment><USER7> There was a story about a husband and wife team[1] who got permission to fly over the volcano as it was thought it wasn't going to erupt immediately. On their last flyby as they were taking pictures it erupted and they barely escaped having put the plane in a nosedive to gain speed. They took some pretty amazing photos from the air of the event.

[1] [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/mount- st-...](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/mount-st-helens- isnt-where-should-be-scientists-may-finally-know-why/)

<comment><USER8> Link for the images shot from the air

[https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/msh/debris.html](https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/msh/debris.html)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> My wife's cousin was a student on this school trip. He has some interesting memories and stories about the experience.

[https://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/age-6-he-and-his- classmat...](https://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/age-6-he-and-his-classmates- fled-mount-st-helens-40-years-later-reporter-recalls-day?fbclid=IwAR2Q9dni- YWBVJv3Mx_9hXmyYP7Ig9asIVdspbJea9nesM8Swe_3sHhFsms)

</comment><comment><USER10> [https://web.archive.org/web/20200519153036/https://www.nytim...](https://web.archive.org/web/20200519153036/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/science/mt- st-helens-eruption.html)

</comment><comment><USER11> Today's xkcd: [https://xkcd.com/2308](https://xkcd.com/2308)

See the hover text ;)

<comment><USER12> Any quick way to see hover on mobile?

<comment><USER13> If you're on iOS, you can long press on the image.

<comment><USER14> Works in Chrome on Android too.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Poor man's autotest for any language - <AUTHOR> https://gist.github.com/moser/9949291

<comment><USER2> Nice. I learnt about inotifywait only a couple of days back and chose it over bazillion other watch modules in various languages. In fact I think it could be called the "Poor man's auto-anything for any language" :-) For eg. I use it to auto-recompile less files to css as follows

#!/bin/sh

while inotifywait -e modify resources/public/css/less/ _.less; do lessc resources /public/css/less/_.less resources/public/css/*.css; done</comment>


Ask HN: Remote Workers, how do you get paid? - <AUTHOR> Hi,
I have been a remote worker for a year now, and tax season is coming around.
I was wondering how do you get paid and why? (Paypal, ACH, Venmo, Transferwise?) <comment><USER2> Transferwise

</comment><comment><USER3> Always ACH.</comment>


750words: write three pages every day - <AUTHOR> http://750words.com

<comment><USER2> This looks great, nicely done. I've just tried it out, and written my 750 words for today.

A bit of advice: I signed in through Google, largely because I was afraid of what would be shared if I signed in via Facebook Connect. I recommend adding some brief paragraph to the sign-in page letting people know what the interaction with Facebook will actually be if they choose this option.

<comment><USER3> Looked to me like it merely signed in. It didn't ask me permission to do anything, so I assume it didn't do anything. Looks like nothing got posted to my wall, etc...

It may have done something, though. -shrug-</comment></comment>


Private Equity Valuation: How-To - <AUTHOR> http://startupalpha.com/chatter/2008/04/29/private-equity-valuation-how-to/

<comment><USER2> If your standard is "principles of fair dealing and good faith, a sound basis for evaluating facts, no exaggerated or unwarranted claims, and opinions for which there is a reasonable basis", then Jim Cramer should be put in jail every weekday at 5:30. Of course, I think these regulations only apply to members of the NASD.

<comment><USER3> It would be fun to try and find a blogger who meets that standard.</comment></comment>


Worker Blames Google Maps After Tearing Down Wrong House - <AUTHOR> http://time.com/4270640/google-maps-wrong-house/ <comment><USER2> Ok, that is right out of the script for the movie Brazil.

</comment><comment><USER3> Motorist blames self driving car for causing a collision.</comment>


Bill Burr regrets 2003 password recommendation report - <AUTHOR> https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-man-who-wrote-those-password-rules-has-a-new-tip-n3v-r-m1-d-1502124118?mod=e2tw <comment><USER2> The article seems arising in reference to the NIST SP800-63-3 Digital Identity Guidelines, published June 22, 2017:

[https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-3/](https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-3/)

Three highlights of NIST SP800-63-3, from the SANS Security Awareness blog:

"For years people like Per Thorsheim, Cormac Herley and Dr. Angela Sasse have fought against this. Finally these painful behaviors are being put to rest by NIST in their official publication SP800-63-3 Digital Identity Guidelines. While a rather large series of documents, they have a couple key points about passwords, specifically in sections 220.127.116.11, 22.214.171.124 and Appendix A. Long story short.

* Entropy is dead, focus on password length. Stop inflicting complexity requirements, instead long live the passphrase.

* Only change passwords if you are concerned it may have been compromised.

* SP800-63-3 specifically states systems should support the use of password managers."

[https://securingthehuman.sans.org/blog/2017/07/27/nist- has-s...](https://securingthehuman.sans.org/blog/2017/07/27/nist-has-spoken- death-to-entropy-love-live-the-passphrase)

<comment><USER3> Entropy isn't dead, but entropy estimation should be. It's the same thing as the transition from Yarrow to Fortuna in CSPRNGs: it's futile to estimate entropy.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> When I read the title I was wondering why a comedian would give out password recommendations. Different Bill Burr...

</comment><comment><USER5> [https://archive.fo/A613V](https://archive.fo/A613V)

</comment><comment><USER6> I just hope the various other bodies adopt the new rules quickly so I can stop having absurd policies at work.

But I somehow think it's going to be a battle to get new "best practices" adopted, even if they're better, people regret the original, etc etc.

</comment><comment><USER7> Can anyone give me the gist of this article? Paywall...

<comment><USER8> [http://archive.is/EoUOS](http://archive.is/EoUOS)

<comment><USER7> Thanks</comment></comment></comment>


Older People are Less Pessimistic about the Health Risks of Covid-19 [pdf] - <AUTHOR> https://www.nber.org/papers/w27494.pdf <comment><AUTHOR> I found it fascinating that there was such a divergence in perceived risk, inversely to actual risk.

This study indicates that there should be a follow-on study about "pandemic shock", the process a population goes through when a new and serious disease vector is introduced. It could have important public health implications for future pandemics.</comment>


Cisco's Layoffs Are Just the Tip of the Spear for Tech - <AUTHOR> http://fortune.com/2016/08/18/expect-more-tech-layoffs/ <comment><USER2> This "analysis" isn't much of one, and makes little sense.

I get that the move to the cloud lessens the demand for datacenter hardware by smaller players who run datacenters for themselves. But it doesn't depress the demand for hardware on behalf of vendors who equip datacenters and operate cloud platforms and the like.

Therefore, I'd fully expect positions like sales and support to decline, but at the end of the day, hardware still has to get built, and performance improvements and innovations still have to happen; just that the final operator will be Amazon, Google, and Microsoft, not RandomMediumBigCorp. So what gives?

</comment><comment><USER3> The more connected our offices are, the more equipment we need for them to ensure things work correctly. Cisco laying off folks doesn't really disturb me, it just points at how bloated Cisco is.</comment>


Guild Wars 2: How Devs Used Social to Build a Better Game - <AUTHOR> http://mashable.com/2012/08/31/guild-wars-2-community/

<comment><USER2> Ugh... Are we really using the word "social" as a noun now?</comment>


US election 2020: Michael Bloomberg mulls presidential bid - <AUTHOR> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50340989 <comment><USER2> This would be interesting but man the Democratic field is already crowded. I know he switched back to Dem after being a Republican Mayor, maybe he could switch to the Repub side and split that vote

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> So he's finally going to stand.</comment>


David Goodall, 104, Scientist Who Fought to Die on His Terms, Ends His Life - <AUTHOR> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/world/europe/david-goodall-australia-scientist-dead.html <comment><USER2> >"At one point, he was asked what tune he would choose for his last song, and he said the final movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. Then he began to sing, with verve and vigor.

According Mr. Nitschke, Mr. Goodall did end up choosing Beethoven, and he died the moment "Ode to Joy" concluded."

That is one of the most beautiful things I've read in a while.</comment>


Ask HN: How do you write CSS in 2019? - <AUTHOR> I'm a solo founder with a backend-development background and low artistic ability. Although I can write the backend, JS and HTML without issue, I'm looking to hire a freelancer for the UX design and implementation, particularly for the CSS component.
Sniffing around the freelancer marketplaces, the international freelancers with solid portfolios who are prepared to work at the lower end of the pay scale ($15-20USD/hour) are all using tooling that generates the CSS for them - particularly Webflow.
I've looked at the CSS that Webflow generates, and it's extremely lengthy and not intuitive or human readable IMHO. Code generation also makes me shudder from an engineering perspective. However, I am self-funded and I don't have an existing customer base. I'm also building an MVP to launch with, not something at massive scale.
What would you recommend? How should I approach CSS development for an MVP in 2019? What are the gotchas to these code generation tools, if I should use them? Or, should I hunt down and pay for someone who can develop UX and code CSS by hand? <comment><USER2> Two points.

1) $15-20 an hour is next to nothing. In a lot of U.S. cities, $15/hour is the minimum wage! It does not surprise me that the only people willing to work for that little depend on automated code-generation tools to do the work for them. If they knew how to do the work themselves, they would be earning much more.

2) If you've got sufficient front-end skill to be able to do the HTML and JS yourself, and you're just looking at this stage to get an MVP out the door, my advice would be to just do this bit yourself too and use something like Bootstrap ([https://getbootstrap.com/](https://getbootstrap.com/)). Bootstrap gives you sane, usable styles for just about everything out of the box, so the only time you have to write CSS yourself is when what you want to do departs from the default Bootstrap presentation.

It's possible to style Bootstrap so thoroughly that nobody can tell it's Bootstrap, but for an MVP I wouldn't worry about that -- just focus on the functionality, and live with the default Bootstrap presentation for now. If the MVP finds a market, you'll be able to pay someone who knows what they're doing to theme Bootstrap for you; if it doesn't, you haven't wasted any money paying for a bunch of cruddy auto-generated CSS that probably doesn't look as good as the default Bootstrap styles do anyway.

</comment><comment><USER3> This is how I write CSS [http://minid.net/2019/04/07/the-css-utilitarian- methodology/](http://minid.net/2019/04/07/the-css-utilitarian-methodology/) and more arguments on why I do Functional CSS [http://minid.net/2019/08/12/in- defense-of-functional-css/](http://minid.net/2019/08/12/in-defense-of- functional-css/)</comment>


If You're Nervous About Quitting Your Boring Job, You're Sane - <AUTHOR> http://www.alfajango.com/blog/if-youre-nervous-about-quitting-your-boring-job-youre-sane/ <comment><AUTHOR> I know it's not usually cool to post your own articles and all, but I started to write a response to this discussion and it turned into its own article.

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1016260>

<comment><USER2> Is it really true that it's not cool to post your own articles? I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

<comment><AUTHOR> I agree in theory, but I guess it can seem more self-promotional than informational, which is contrary to the purpose of these forums.

<comment><USER3> I think it's fine to post your own material here. If it's not informational it won't get voted up.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> I think it's reasonable to post your own article, but it would be nice if it had a link back to this item so people who found it could then come here.

</comment><comment><USER5> Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you.

                --Carl Jung

</comment><comment><USER6> Being sane is overrated.

<comment><USER7> Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.

 _Steve Jobs_</comment></comment>


ABC News uses iCloud to track a stolen iPad to TSA officer's home - <AUTHOR> http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/27/abc-news-uses-icloud-to-track-a-stolen-ipad-to-tsa-officers-home <comment><USER2> One of _ten_. That's it. They conducted just ten sting operations before a TSA agent stole one of their target iPads.

<comment><USER3> Ten. That's their sample size.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> The headline gave me a slightly incorrect impression. ABC news left valuables at checkpoints as part of a sting operation. While it's still inexcusable, taking a lost item isn't quite as bad as actively stealing. I think the legal term is "theft by finding": <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding>.

I guess the TSA agent didn't know that iPhones, iPads, and many other tablets and smartphones can be tracked and wiped remotely. There is a large risk to stealing them and little reward. I bet theft rates will decrease as word of these anti-theft features spreads.

<comment><USER5> What an outrageous thing to say! This guy stole the iPad. Period.

You also seem to be implying that his "mistake" was taking something easy to track. Wow.

<comment><USER4> No. I'm saying not only was his action inexcusable, wrong, and illegal, it was also stupid.

I'm not sure why people downvoted me and replied with such stern disagreement. I used as many hedge-words as I could (" _slightly_ incorrect", "isn't _quite_ as bad", etc) and was describing my subjective impression. In no way did I blame ABC for the loss of their iPad, and I called the TSA agent's action inexcusable.

We're on the same side here.

<comment><USER6> Don't worry, I assumed the same thing you did about his actions, and I think it's important to make what he did clear.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> It does, but given that its quite hard to tell the TSA guys from police (well, it was for me) as their uniforms and behavior certainly seem police-ish, it's bad. They appear like police, behave like police, but when confronted with a situation they can exploit, 10% of the time (in a crazy small sample) they will exploit you. People in positions of authority receive harsher treatment on New Zealand law if they abuse their positions. I hope it's the same in the US.

<comment><USER8> Not in the US, mostly they get a "administrative" leave and go on vacation until things die down. Small pawns however are fired, but that's about it.

<comment><USER9> Sadly this is true in most instances...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Someone is going down... hard time! You can't take photos/movies of TSA checkpoints!

At least I'm sure that's how the story will eventually be flipped.

<comment><USER11> I know you're joking, but it's actually stated TSA policy[1] to allow photography of checkpoints. Whether that policy is followed, however...

1\. [http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/03/can-i-take-photos-at- checkpoint-...](http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/03/can-i-take-photos-at-checkpoint- and.html)

<comment><USER12> I was in a 'lock-down' at Newark a while back and was told that I could use my video camera, so long as I didn't point it at the 'secure area' (basically at the checkpoint).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> This seems like a typical "gotcha" story. TSA has approximately 60,000 employees and to show that one stole something, or even one hundred have stolen things, doesn't raise any real red flags to me. I wish it didn't happen but I don't think this can really be used as an overarching critique of TSA. If we want to argue against TSA, let's keep arguments framed around invasive procedures, general incompetence, or the cost/benefit ratio that they seem to provide.

<comment><USER14> This is an employee that's supposed to be preventing crime. Showing that some of them are involved in crime is a reasonable thing to do.

Unattended items have some[1] risk of being bombs. I want airport employees to treat unattended items as if a customer has lost something (probably the case) or as if they're bombs (so at least those continued loops telling me not to leave anything unattended don't go to waste).

[1] Has any unattended item even been a bomb?

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> As much as I hate the TSA, this sort of reads like entrapment.

<comment><USER16> Do you know how many things are left behind at checkpoints? On a flight I was on once the lady next to me realized she had left her laptop at the checkpoint. It happens _all_ the time.

If TSA agents can't overcome the desire to take what is not theirs, they have no business doing that job.

<comment><USER17> True. But TSA turnover must be huge, and screening for honest people is no easier today that it has ever been.

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

<comment><USER16> Totally. You're basically hiring people for a job that no one who is actually qualified for wants. It's the security equivalent of an IT help desk.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


New batteries could make phones, drones, and electric cars last twice as long - <AUTHOR> http://news.mit.edu/2016/lithium-metal-batteries-double-power-consumer-electronics-0817 <comment><USER2> It seems like we're always hearing about the next big thing in battery technology, but they seem to stay in research forever, and never hit the consumer market.

The most exciting part of this, is that they say the'll be in consumer devices early 2017.

I'd love to have one in my quadcopter!

<comment><USER3> Note that having a compressed energy ready for rapid release is exactly equal to handling an explosive in your laptop :)

There are a lot of experimental batteries that have like 5x capacity of the current Li-ion ones, but melt and explode when heated or crushed, which makes them effectively useless.

This is one of the hardest problems in high-capacity batteries - to avoid "rapid unscheduled heat dissipation" and the following "rapid unscheduled disassembly".

<comment><USER4> Ok so that rules out phones, laptops and other devices that tend to get roughed up over time but I would still consider using it as energy storage for the solar panel on my house for instance.

As you have it isolated from the house in a specially built enclosure or garden shed it's less likely to get damaged and even if it is the damage can be manageable.

Then again in these cases it's more of a matter of how cheap it is vs the amount of energy it can hold and size doesn't matter a much.

<comment><USER5> Where weight and energy density is not a concern, you'd just use regular old- fashioned lead-acid. Lots of charge cycles, easily recycled, simple, no overheating, existing infrastructure.

<comment><USER6> When the Powerwall was announced, weren't people explaining one of the benefits over lead-acid based systems as you don't have to worry about accidentally generating noxious or explosive gases if the system isn't well vented? I just found something regarding that[1], but I'm unqualified to know how much of a problem this is in reality.

1: [http://goodforgas.com/hazardous-gases-associated-lead- acid-b...](http://goodforgas.com/hazardous-gases-associated-lead-acid-battery- charging-stations/)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Of all the great leaps in battery tech that keep on coming, this seems like one of the most promising because they were forced to learn to manufacture on real industrial equipment.

Most of the time these great battery breakthroughs go nowhere because they only manage to demonstrate with a tiny hand-built cell (often as not only presenting the result of the one cell that did finally work out of dozens of attempts), but there's no path to commercialisation.

If they really do ship usable batteries by november this could be huge.

</comment><comment><USER8> I remember SolidEnergy. We discussed it here on HN before. It was one of the, if not the most promising companies to have made "battery breakthroughs", a few years ago. And they also seem to be launching right on time (I believe they promised a 2016-2017 release date a few years ago).

What's strange though is that Tesla always brags about how it has a list with "hundreds" of such battery breakthroughs, and that they know everyone in the industry working on new tech, but none was anywhere close to coming to market, which is why they chose to go with normal Li-Ion batteries for Gigafactory.

And now we have this announcement? Was SolidEnergy that secretive with their battery tech evolution or why would Musk keep saying that then? I would imagine SolidEnergy would kill for a deal with Tesla. So I wonder what else is going on. Perhaps the battery is 2x as dense, but 4x as expensive, making it not useful for Tesla cars anytime soon?

<comment><USER9> This tech will take at least a few years to reach the point where they can start supplying enough batteries that Tesla would need for its cars.

<comment><USER10> ... _or_ Musk saying "Lets make those in our Gigafactory instead".

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Is it the case that the research was publicly-funded, but the profits are now being privatized?

<comment><USER12> American government funded research that turns into a business creating jobs in America sounds like a reasonable outcome to me. After China stole solar, we need some other industry with growth potential.

Edit: Do the down voters care to comment? Anti-nationalism, anti-capitalism, or what?

<comment><USER13> The issue is publicly founded research aleviate the burden of the investment from the private sector, while selling the right to the new technology to a sole private entity. The whole thing could, unless the government blocked it, be sold to a private chinese company down the line.

<comment><USER12> > The whole thing could, unless the government blocked it, be sold to a > private chinese company down the line.

It wouldn't be the first battery company out of MIT to go that route. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A123_Systems](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A123_Systems)

If our trade policies assume a free market then we open the door to these situations. There's no free trade treaty to blame when China out maneuvers more developed countries like this. Perhaps the solution is to become more mercantilist instead of worshiping free markets.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> The answer here isn't batteries with more capacity. The answer is:

* more areas to lock your bike/scooter/moped (electric or otherwise)

* coin-/card-operated charging stations (as in, "plug in while you shop")

* charging stations where you work (to charge your EV during the day)

I don't think swappable battery stations would be useful, since batteries are damaged by deep-discharging them, and swap-stations would end up with too many damaged batteries that way.

As more people start using EVs, it will be a no-brainer for companies (or even local electric utility companies) to start placing EV charging stations all over town.

<comment><USER14> What's your market? If it's the US, there's certainly a need for longer travel distances between charging cycles. Most EV's don't have enough charge to allow for commuting to and from work yet. Especially when you factor in grabbing groceries, taking errands, or other things. I'm not sure what the right amount of range should be, but it feels like it needs to be around 150 miles or so to allow for a comfortable buffer.

Here's the census data from 2009 where they did a study on commuting in the US: [https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf](https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf) It's pretty thorough.

<comment><USER5> Yes, the US.

My point is, you can either increase range by having better batteries, or you can do so by charging up while at your destination (ex., in your parking lot at work).

It gets even better if you're running errands and you've got a charging station at the grocery store, library, city hall, etc.

<comment><USER14> Having to rely on others to ensure you can get around causes a lot of anxiety. Also, it's probably a lot easier to get consumers to add chargers to their homes and automakers to extend the range of cars than to convince uninvested third parties to build out infrastructure.

<comment><USER5> > Having to rely on others to ensure you can get around causes a lot of > anxiety.

I suppose. But as it stands I'm already relying on gas stations.

> Also, it's probably a lot easier to get consumers to add chargers to their > homes {snip}

Sorry if I was unclear. I was assuming that as a given. If I've got an EV, it's going to be plugged into the charger at home every night.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> If we can double battery life, hardware makers will double power usage. Phones are designed to last about a day on a full charge, and incremental battery improvement won't change that.

<comment><USER8> Good thing we have VR phones and 4k displays right around the corner to "take advantage" of this increase in battery capacity! Oh, and all the Pokemon Go- like games.

<comment><USER16> If battery life is _really_ what people care about, even over features, then everbody would be using dumbphones instead of smartphones. So as much as people cynically complain about companies, battery life isn't what people value after all.

<comment><USER17> I don't think this is true. I've never been given a true option about batteries.

It's not like I get to choose two different versions of the same model of phone, where $a has a bigger battery, and $b has $feature. It's usually a funky mismatch between two different models, with different specs, some of which make it faster, and some of which have a bigger battery.

But I've never seen phones with a 1-to-1 comparison for batteries.

<comment><USER18> You mean like the Moto Z and the Z force? Z has a 2600mAh battery and is thinner. Z force has a 3500mAh battery for a 1.8mm addition of thickness. Motorola has done this before with the Droid Maxx.

<comment><USER17> Yeah, I'd love to have something like that for every phone. They aren't completely the same, but they are close enough for me. I don't think I've seen any other phone with a choice like that, though.

<comment><USER19> You can get extended battery packs for most phones with a removable battery. I had a Galaxy S2 a few years back that would last 4-5 days of moderate use on a charge with one of them, though it made the phone about 1.5cm thicker.

<comment><USER17> You are correct, but

A) I don't want to buy something to upgrade my phone. I'd rather it come like that in the first place.

B) Everyone says "nobody wants a bigger battery", but if everyone just buys them after the fact, how do the manufacturers know? Sounds like they are just passing the buck

C) Many phones don't have a removable battery, or it voids warranties to do so.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> This looks great and with such an early release date it does seem the tech is not far away. Interesting that they are making the batteries and not licensing the tech considering it works with existing manufacturing technologies. I wonder how much extra cost if any for this increased energy density

</comment><comment><USER21> I'm not in any way trying to undermine the research here, but I feel like it's a bit disingenuous to use the term "could" in your description.

Batteries are a difficult thing to engineer, and all this does is provide fodder for the 24-hour-news-cycle to give false hope.

</comment><comment><USER22> Great, phones will be 2 times thinner /s

<comment><USER23> No, the next gen phones will need twice the power anyway, so no change in size.

They will probably have real-time rendered 3D graphics in the user interface, and more expensive signal processing of their sensors, because of higher resolution of the sensors (especially regarding the camera resolution). And more sensors in total.

/s

<comment><USER24> True anecdote from the early smartphone days: we were always having problems with rendering performance, but the next platform promised to have 4x faster CPU.

Later, it sunk in that the new screen had 5x as many pixels...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> More about SolidEnergy, who is manufacturing these batteries: [http://www.solidenergysystems.com/](http://www.solidenergysystems.com/)

</comment><comment><USER26> What I find exciting about this is:

1\. They were "forced to prototype on existing lithium ion manufacturing equipment". This brings them much closer to actual, scalable manufacturing.

2\. Hu's ability to develop solutions when challenges arise. He figured out how to get the battery working at room temperature. He was able to adapt his approach to work on existing manufacturing equipment.

Hu sounds like a world class talent, and I admire his ability to overcome challenges. Here's hoping SolidEngergy succeeds!

</comment><comment><USER27> I can already see Apple putting a battery 50% smaller and keep the same bad (according to my opinion) battery life of their iPhones in order to claim they have the thinner handset on the market.

Seriously, device thickness is for 2016 like camera megapixels was for 2006, it's totally unnecessary to keep pushing it and it hurts usability, yet, it looks good in the numbers you show the consumer, so companies keep doing it.

</comment><comment><USER28> Yeah..."A novel electrolyte also keeps the battery from heating up and catching fire." We'll see how novel it is. I'll need a few cells, about 20min and a hammer as a literal smoke test at least

</comment><comment><USER29> Quote: "That shrunk the battery size by half."

Nit-pick. To "shrink by half" would have the effect of doubling the size. Maybe he meant "to half the original", but surely not "by half."

This reminds me of the commonly heard "torn in half" when either "torn into halves" or "torn in two" is what's meant.

</comment><comment><USER30> I'm glad that isn't the actual title, as that is truely bad.

</comment><comment><USER31> Call me cynical, but I doubt the benefits of any such dramatic breakthrough would last long. As soon as the battery ability expands, the hardware and software will begin to expand their battery demands as well.

<comment><USER32> Maybe in software, but I doubt that the efficiency of motors in drones or cars would change. It's not like there are abstractions to chase in hardware, are there?

<comment><USER33> It will decrease. Making 99% efficient engine is order of magnitude more expensive than 90%. Double the battery density and suddenly the case for lighter and expensive parts disappears.

<comment><USER32> That wouldn't be decreasing, just increasing at a slower rate.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> I can't wait until I can start downvoting stories on HN. Haven't we had this conversation here, over and over?

"Amazing New Battery will..."

Well actually...

</comment><comment><USER35> Do this mean we can start making standalone smartwatches (that have GPS/LTE/Wifi) and go back to making 4" phones again?

<comment> gm-conspiracy iPhone 4s FTW.

</comment></comment><comment><USER36> [http://www.johnsonbatterytech.com/](http://www.johnsonbatterytech.com/)</comment>


Another Study Finds Link Between Pharma Money and Brand-name Prescribing - <AUTHOR> https://www.propublica.org/article/another-study-finds-link-between-pharma-money-and-brand-name-prescribing <comment><USER2> That's partially BS generics are not always the same as brand name drugs. The manufacturing facilities are not the same the suppliers of active ingredients and the degree to which they are purified are not the same. So if insurance is covering brand name drug it's actually better it be prescribed vs generic.

<comment><USER3> > degree to which they are purified are not the same

Got a source for that?

<comment><USER4> In this story, I learned that generic drugs are never exactly the same: [http://fortune.com/2013/05/15/dirty- medicine/](http://fortune.com/2013/05/15/dirty-medicine/)

This company was fraudulently claiming that the drug profile of their generics was identical. Thanks to a whistle-blower the company was fined $500m by the FDA, after years of legal wranglings.

More background: [https://www.propublica.org/article/fda-let-drugs-approved- on...](https://www.propublica.org/article/fda-let-drugs-approved-on- fraudulent-research-stay-on-the-market)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Obviously marketing works, and sales reps can help physicians by pushing research and information at the as part of their outreach -- just like any other relationship based salesperson.

The other equation missing is the impact of pharma sales practices with respect to the gatekeeper pharmacy managers. Who is taking the CVS/Caremark guy out for steak dinner and what is the rebate or consideration that the insurance company gets for choosing one drug over another.

In my case, my insurance company standardized on a drug in a broader class of medications that wasn't as effective for me -- I had some minor side effects and the metrics changed for the worse.

So my doctor switched me back to a non-preferred drug. His mousepad was provided by that drug maker. Is that an ethical issue?

</comment><comment><USER6> _increased by 0.1 percent for every $1,000 in industry money received_

I'd love to know what the confidence interval is for this analysis. Prescribing varies wildly across physicians, so if a doc is receiving $10K in pharma money, is a 1% increase in prescribing relevant?

<comment><USER7> Here's a figure from the article posted by Eric Topol on twitter: [https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/729688822053670912](https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/729688822053670912)

Combined with the stat you mentioned, it's a strange one. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but there's barely any physicians receiving above $50k in payments, so the biggest impact pharma payments have made is around a 5 % difference in prescribing. Looking at the variation at around $0-$10k, 5 % seems like a tiny change, since you have docs prescribing anywhere from 0 % and 80 %. Something else is driving it, my guess would be good personal relationships with sales reps? In that case, focusing on limiting that would have a much better impact on fixing the issue.

The big variation could also be something completely innocent like trust in a specific brand due to experience in the clinic, etc. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can chime in.

<comment><USER6> Nothing quite like extrapolating a line across your entire data set when 99% of the data points are in the bottom 5% of the range.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> As I mentioned in another comment, the incentives here draw from the protections that derive from several levels of prohibition: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11650108](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11650108)</comment>


San Francisco Police Accessed Private Camera Network to Spy on Protestors - <AUTHOR> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/07/san-francisco-police-accessed-business-district-camera-network-spy-protestors <comment><USER2> Original title is, "San Francisco Police Accessed Business District Camera Network to Spy on Protestors".

The businesses in a business district probably _want_ the police to use technology to identify rioters and looters.

</comment><comment><USER3> [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23969257](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23969257)</comment>


Show HN: Solving the data application front end trilemma - d--b https://solderless.io <comment><AUTHOR> Cool. Does this use f#'s type providers? If so that is something I would have mentioned. Some examples, perhaps interactive, would have helped a lot. Right now it's kind of unclear how it would be used, I'm just guessing.

Are there plans for 'recipes' that can be shared/sold? If I'm understanding this correctly, being able to use nodes that others have made could make the creation process much faster and less error prone.

If you have histograms, I should hopefully be contacting you in the next few weeks :)

<comment> d--b Hi!

Happy to see you're interested. We're still in the development phase and would be thrilled to talk to you about what it is you are looking for in a tool like ours.

Please do contact us at contact at solderless.io!

Very best The solderless team

</comment></comment><comment> d--b Hi there, I am the author of Solderless. I am looking for feedback and/or advice. Any comment or query would be very much appreciated.</comment>


ShowHN: Passwordless login plugin for WordPress - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/iclanzan/Passwordless

<comment><USER2> This looks very intriguing, and might just solve a problem we were putting our heads together to solve.

"Login process

Passwordless allows your site's users to log in using only their email addresses. After submitting the login form with the email address filled in, the user will receive an email containing a login link which can only be used once. Clicking that link results in the user getting logged in for one year or until he logs out. Unused login links expire after one day."

This makes a user experience on your website all the more enjoyable.</comment>


Dunning Kruger Effect - <AUTHOR> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect <comment><USER2> A truly well covered topic here at Hacker News - [https://hn.algolia.com/?query=https:%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2...](https://hn.algolia.com/?query=https:%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDunning%25E2%2580%2593Kruger_effect&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=all)</comment>


Startup Hypothesis: Do users want to be social with coffee? - <AUTHOR>

	So I started work on socialatte.com as I noticed a ramp up of users who love to post about their coffee experiences on Twitter. Being that I love websites that leverage currently large social networks, love niches, and myself love coffee I thought I would test out the hypothesis that users want to share their coffee experiences with other users in a coffee niched social environment. I set out and built the current prototype for socialatte.com from Ruby on Rails (one because I knew the framework and another because it is good for quickly getting something up) as well as used twitter bootstrap for responsive design (needed it to work in mobile browsers). Took about a couple days of work but got it to where it is today.
I had added instagr.am support and now, as of today, ios6 users have the option of file uploads where they can take a picture from there directly. Now all is said and done, I have been trying to market this via social networks and having very little luck drawing in users. My analytics report is getting an average of... 10-20 users a day?
I am doing something fundamentally wrong marketing wise or my hypothesis is proven invalid... which I think that is far too early to tell. I am sort of stuck on where to go from here. My hope is to eventually get coffee related vendors on board to advertise with us, get an app going, and maybe eventually sell the website to someone who wants to take it over but that is thinking far too far ahead.
Any advice would be beneficial. <comment><USER2> Sounds like you're just getting started. Time to focus on execution.

1\. You have "sign in with Twitter" but not "sign in with Facebook". That's an obvious feature if you're focused on viral growth.

2\. It's okay to do nonscalable things at the start. Convince a dozen of your friends to post on socialatte every day, by any means necessary. Then listen to their feedback and implement their suggestions.

3\. When someone declines to sign in via twitter, they go to a 404 page. Fix that.

4\. Drop that donate and sponsors junk. It's taking up real estate, looks crappy, and you're never going to make a noticeable amount of money before you get big anyway.

5\. Let me sign in with an email and password.

6\. Build an iOS app. It makes a lot of sense to post a picture of coffee from your phone. More sense than a website.

7\. Find a cofounder. The biggest problem at this stage is that you are likely to give up before putting enough effort into it. A cofounder will keep you working.

Keep working - you have only just begun.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thank you for the advice :) It is deeply appreciated. As you guessed, I am just starting out. I felt out what I thought might be a good idea and trying to allow it to grow into its own. Actually a few people have already stated that they would like facebook login so I may need to rework my account model. I don't really have many users right now so this might be a good time to pivot.

As far as donations and sponsors, I agree with you on the donations but confused how I will be able to generate revenue at the start. I currently am a freelancer and funding would allow me to work on this full time but, again, this may be too early in the idea to think about so you may be right on both of those fronts.

I am currently looking into Appcelerator's Titanium for the mobile app at least for a prototype. As for co-founder, my brother has a stake in the idea and is a bit of a designer/illustrator and has presented quite a few good ideas that we coalesced into what the site is currently.

As for scalabilities sake, we were going to look at Node.js as a technology as we may have a lot of realtime features on the website but, again, I didn't want to work that far ahead as I knew there would be some pivoting of my strategy.

Thank you very much for your insight :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Hey man! I take pics of all my coffees :) You've hit on a trend - the key is to nail an incentive for people to use you over simply uploading it onto Facebook/Instagram. Why would users use SocialLatte? To see what the coffees at particular coffee shops are like. To network with other coffee lovers. To find gourmet blends. To find cosy coffee shops to catch-up with friends.

Just putting my marketing hat on here, but I suggest you refine your value proposition - e.g. on your homepage replace 'Sign in and start sharing' with something more value-laden, like 'For coffee lovers' or 'The ultimate coffee guide' or 'The world coffee hub'. For PR, the press love lists, e.g. 'Top 5 coffee shops', and you can do thought-leadership pieces on coffee habits and culture. Hope this helps!

<comment><AUTHOR> Definitely helps, thank you :) So maybe more than just sharing coffee pictures. Maybe links as well :) Possibly rendering/generating a screenshot of the website as the image itself would do.

<comment><USER3> Sweet! Yep more than just pics, I can see you positioning yourself as the world coffee hub, connecting coffee lovers globally. This then becomes an attractive proposition for advertisers of everything coffee (coffee bean brands, coffee machines, coffee making courses etc) :)

<comment><AUTHOR> Definitely. I could watch the posting trends and build categories off of the postings. e.g. users post a lot of recipes thus I would create a recipe category.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> What makes you think your hypothesis is invalid? How often do your current users share their coffee experiences?

I would do more customer discovery and see if you can gain anymore insight. Go to a coffee shop and ask people what they think of your concept.

<comment><AUTHOR> Yeah that is why I said it is too early to tell that it is. As for going to a coffee shop and asking people, how do you think I should go about that. I wouldn't want to go sit down at a random table and be like "Hey you, what do you think of this idea". Maybe my head is in the wrong place as far as customer discovery is concerned :) Thank you for the advice.

<comment><USER4> Go to a highly trafficked coffee shop, grab a latte, and just start talking to people around you. You'll just have to get over the awkwardness of talking to strangers :)

Have a set of questions you can rotate through. Sometimes you can ask 1 or 2 questions before they get annoyed. Other times you can have hour long conversations. Use your judgement to see how engaged they are.

<comment><AUTHOR> Definitely. Thanks for the help :)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> You might want to try swinging by r/coffee and see what they think. They love taking pics of their latte art.

<comment><AUTHOR> Actually did that and didn't get much of a response:

Posted a couple weeks ago: [http://www.reddit.com/r/Coffee/comments/zdbdr/socialatte_lov...](http://www.reddit.com/r/Coffee/comments/zdbdr/socialatte_love_coffee/)

Also posted in Startup today to see what I could get: [http://www.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/105sr8/started_soc...](http://www.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/105sr8/started_socialatte_coffee_a_few_weeks_ago/)

</comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> If anyone else has any advice, let me know. I thank everyone that has already given me advice :)</comment>


Ask HN: things to consider when negotiating with a startup? - <AUTHOR>

Hello everyone, I just finished my PhD (about 2 years' worth of industrial experience) and I'm about to negotiate a job with a very small technology startup. Their field of activity is not exactly aligned with my PhD work, but there is some overlap. I like what they want to do and I think that it has lots of potential. I would be their first technical hire and this is my first time doing this so I have no real idea what to ask/look for. I also have a job offer from a big company (a stable job, but with less potential for long-term earnings). Basically it's the whole risk-reward trade-off and I don't have a strategy of approaching it. How should I proceed? Could I ask for a percentage? If yes then how could I know how much I can ask for? What specific details should I pay attention to? Thanks! <comment><USER2> It kinda depends on where that company is in its funding lifecycle. Startups usually have a recruiting stage right after the series A round is complete, so there's a bunch of articles and blog posts about that situation. Here's a short reading list: [http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont- waste-yo...](http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-your- time-in-crappy-startup-jobs/) [http://blog.keen.io/post/29904565692/how-i- negotiated-my-sta...](http://blog.keen.io/post/29904565692/how-i-negotiated- my-startup-compensation) <http://jacquesmattheij.com/first-employee-or- cofounder/>

There are a few equity calculators out there on google, both for partners and early employees. They might give you some direction, although I wouldn't solely rely on them.

Good luck!

<comment><AUTHOR> thanks very much, this really helped</comment></comment>


Microsoft buys Real-Time operating system vendor Express Logic - <AUTHOR> https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-buys-real-time-operating-system-vendor-express-logic/ <comment><USER2> True story: We were an Express Logic customer. We found an issue, but our support contract had expired. My boss called them anyway. They said, "Doesn't matter that your support has expired. We wrote it; we'll fix it."

I hope Microsoft can give them the freedom to still be cool like that...</comment>


Clarity Design System for Angular 2 - <AUTHOR> https://vmware.github.io/clarity/index.html <comment><USER3> Hi HN, I lead the Clarity team. Would love to get your opinion and feedback! Clarity is fully open source (we open sourced it this morning). Our repo is here: [https://github.com/vmware/clarity](https://github.com/vmware/clarity). You can also take a look at the Clarity Seed for a quick way to start building Clarity-based applications: [https://github.com/vmware/clarity- seed](https://github.com/vmware/clarity-seed)

<comment><USER4> Even if you are VMWare with thousands of developers, do you really think that you can keep up with the speed of development from Angular?

<comment><USER3> Hi merb, could you elaborate a little more on why you think it is a challenge to keep up with the speed of development from Angular?

I am not sure if there is confusion here but those components are built on _top_ of Angular 2. We use and love Angular 2. In fact, we talk and work with the Angular team and both Angular and Clarity are open source projects. We contributed and would like to continue to contribute back to Angular as well!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Hi Clarity team,

What would you say the primary motivation in switching from material2 or ng2-bootstrap to clarity would be? At my work we have an Angular 2 app still in development and have been rather dissatisfied with the available component libraries so far. We're at a point where it wouldn't be unreasonable to switch UI frameworks.

Additionally it looks like you have only implemented some of the material design spec. What was the reason for this / why not go full material?

<comment><USER3> Hi water42, I think material2 and other frameworks are fine frameworks and are worth your consideration.

We really built Clarity because we were in your position. No framework out there was able to provide us with what we needed to ship high quality, enterprise software but with modern and consumer-like UIs. We needed that framework to care deeply about user experience (not just provide code) and we wanted to make sure that framework is flexible enough that teams across the company (before we open sourced) can have the ability to understand it, build on top of it, etc.

We really looked around and every time we found something it had a part of the puzzle but not really enough of a part that we can depend on it.

Clarity does not depend on material (the design language), we are definitely inspired by material and others but we're building an end to end design system which includes the user experience and visual language aspects. Behind the components and patterns is a ton of research that we've doing throughout the past few months (and sometimes years depending on the data we have) and want to continue to do. One of our goals is to also share that research in case you can reach different conclusions so the community is able to keep us moving in the right direction.

<comment><USER5> Thanks for the quick reply!

It would definitely be useful to publish the research behind the design choices you've made. As a developer with not a lot of design experience that's something I would be interested in.

<comment><USER3> Yeah, we definitely feel that and want to address that use case. Some of that research is shared today in places like patterns and for every components (if you scroll enough in the page) but more research is coming in the next few days/weeks. We want you (as a developer) to be able to not just use the code but if you'd like, be able to fully understand the UX guidelines behind building a Clarity applications and go a step further by explaining why given the research/assumptions we have.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> This is a very nice looking set of controls with a lot of functionality. Thank you to the Clarity team for the contribution to the community. I've got a project in the works that has been screaming for something other than vanilla bootstrap :)

<comment><USER3> Thanks! Please let us know if we can help in anyway and if you have the time, we'd love to listen to feedback on both: the design system itself as well as the tools you used to use it. As a quick note, we've also open sourced Clarity-seed alongside Clarity to make it easier to get apps up and running on Clarity: [https://github.com/vmware/clarity- seed](https://github.com/vmware/clarity-seed) so that might be worth a look too!

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Great work! I like Material but this looks super slick and it feels like the documentation is more understandable. The design is really clean. I will consider this heavily when we upgrade our current ng1 app. Well done.

<comment><USER3> Awesome. Glad you like it. Make sure to share feedback with us as you go through that. We'd love to continue to improve the system itself as well as the documentation!

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I'm not able to use it with angular-cli, could you enhance your instalation steps for the current angular-cli?

<comment><USER9> Hi Mokwa, thanks for your feedback. We shied away from recommending angular- cli in the very early stages, but now that it's become more stable, I see that it would be valuable to add that in our documentation. We'll be working on it very soon. I filed an issue for it on Github if you are interested in subscribing to it: [https://github.com/vmware/clarity/issues/79](https://github.com/vmware/clarity/issues/79).

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> Disclaimer: I am on the ng-bootstrap team

The demo website loads very slow :( .

I would recommend looking at [https://ng-bootstrap.github.io/](https://ng- bootstrap.github.io/) for some code design of some of these components - <USER2> far as I can gather looking at the source code of Clarity, it appears to not be AoT-compliant, a big thing going forward with Angular due to the immense perf benefits it brings, and opens up the gate for also being able to use Web Workers/Service Workers.

<comment><USER3> Hi Bahamut, welcome! we'd love to chat with you guys (feel free to reach out to me with a DM on twitter). We'd love to share what we learned and learn from what you learned!

As for the slowness of the page, this is GitHub. It is currently down :(

As for AOT, that's definitely a priority for us (we were talking about it as a team yesterday and are working hard to make it a possibility for Clarity so we're definitely on the same page there).

<comment><USER11> ng core team here, feel free to reach out to me on twitter if you need any help getting this done - @robwormald

<comment><USER3> hey robwormald, will definitely do. We will actually reach out sometime today/this week!

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> As a system designed for "designers" with guidelines, I expected something like Material Design from Google. However, I am very disappointed, even the website UX is very designer unfriendly IMHO. I cannot see a download link or a direction for it in the home page for the mentioned Sketch file.

<comment><USER13> RTFM. [https://vmware.github.io/clarity/get- started/](https://vmware.github.io/clarity/get-started/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> Looks good, but comparing to other systems like this one but for React, it looks it's relying on plain HTML structure to compose layouts vs. using components system to generate and encapsulate HTML. From what I know Angular 2 supports components so I wonder why is this not leveraged here?

<comment><USER15> I think what might be happening is a small confusion between our deliverables. Some teams we worked with wanted to use as much of Clarity as possible but couldn't switch to Angular in the short term, so we made sure we could deliver "Clarity UI" and "Clarity NG" separately.

Clarity UI is pure CSS: you just include it on your page, use the correct markup and classes and our styles will be applied. Kind of like using Bootstrap without their JS (most of us have done this).

Clarity NG depends on Clarity UI for styling, but provides full-blown Angular 2 components with the correct markup in their templates, two-way binding, ... That's the easiest way to use Clarity, but it forces you to use Angular.

Unfortunately, our documentation doesn't split the two yet, it starts with the pure HTML/CSS version and then showcases the Angular 2 components after that. Probably explains the confusion.

I hope this helped!

<comment><USER14> > Unfortunately, our documentation doesn't split the two yet, it starts with > the pure HTML/CSS version and then showcases the Angular 2 components after > that. Probably explains the confusion.

That's where the confusion come from, thanks for explanation!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Looks very nice. I am super keen to look at this for a project I am about to kick off.

</comment><comment><USER17> Am I blind or is there no date-picker? That's the only reason I'm looking for an alternative to angular2-material.

<comment><USER3> Hi choward, you are not blind! :) We're working on a date picker. If you have specific requirements (especially around localization) we'd love to hear it to make sure we consider it but it is in the works1

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> Looks nice, might just try it in my next project!</comment>