Tulsa Teacher discovers calculus flaw - <AUTHOR> http://www.tulsatoday.com/2019/04/11/tulsa-teacher-discovers-flaw-in-calculus/ <comment><USER2> Unfortunately the article is kind of idiotic, the actual paper [1] has nothing to do with discovering a newly discovered flaw. As the paper's author even says, many students find the same "flaw" themselves.

[1] [http://online.watsci.org/abstract_pdf/2019v26/v26n3a-pdf/4.p...](http://online.watsci.org/abstract_pdf/2019v26/v26n3a-pdf/4.pdf)

<comment><USER3> Joke's on you -- the article helped me find a flaw in the theory of journalism!

(Paper is much better yes. I always had trouble with that notation.)

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> "Extending the Algebraic Manipulability of Differentials" [https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.09553.pdf](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.09553.pdf)

</comment><comment><USER5> If you're attempting to manipulate the infinitesimals in a derivative notation, it's your understanding of calculus that's flawed, not calculus.

<comment><USER6> I do understand where the confusion is stemming from, but taking the time to properly learn the clash between Leibniz and Lagrange is very important. It makes a lot of sense to use one versus the other in specific cases. You might be able to protest by saying there are certain cases where the differential operator is treated like a fraction, but not only would I call this a rarity but also a cheat to what is really happening (the chain rule comes to mind). I do think it's cool to think of analogies that could include notation changes for students in early calculus classes though.

<comment><USER7> Fixing the notation would be great, saving numerous future generations from confusion.

Getting agreement to do this is difficult. Short of laying it down in the law as part of a treaty (throw it in with WTO or Berne copyright?) there doesn't seem to be a way to make the change happen. Nobody wants to buy the calculus book with weird non-standard notation. It would be like a trigonometry book with the symbols Feynman invented in high school.

We're more likely to get serious mathematicians calling equations "math sentences".

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> The article is dumb, but the paper is actually pretty interesting.

Intuitively, I never treated differentials as "algebraic units" \-- even though I can see why it might be tempting to do so. In other words, I never thought that dx^2/dy^2 = (dx/dy)^2. From my experience, most teachers and professors _do_ hint that "something funky" is happening when you say "dBLAH."

Further, (and more to the root of the problem), as far as higher-order derivatives are concerned, I always held a firm belief that something like "d^nx" was not really a manipulatable statement and was just shorthand for "the nth derivative" and certainly not the "first derivative raised to the nth power."

<comment><USER9> The main point seems to be that:

            / d\²   d²
      D²ₓ = |−−| ≠ −−−
            \dx/   dx²
      because
      (1/dx)*d*(1/dx)*d ≠ (1/dx)*(1/dx)*d*d
      or just
      d*(1/dx) ≠ (1/dx)*d

In other words, the "algebraic units" are fine, but multiplication on them is noncommutative.[0]

0: Like multiplication on damn near everything else that isn't really a number.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10>
        When writing a ratio that works like a ratio is too cumbersome, we
        prefer simply avoiding the ratio notation altogether, to prevent
        making unwarranted leaps based on notation that may mislead the intuition.

Yeah, would definitely be a shame if somebody misunderstood some notation and leapt into writing a paper about it.

</comment><comment><USER11> The paper is interesting. I think that dual numbers provide a better basis for algebraic manipulations of expressions with derivatives.

</comment><comment><USER12> Realizing that mathematical notional is inconsistent and contextual, and potentially confusing if inappropriately generalized, is a common frustrating learning experience, and it's nice to consider alternatives.

But it is not a "calculus flaw".

Also, the sidebars beside this article are filled with unrelated low-quality political clickbait, so perhaps we shouldn't give this site more traffic.

<comment><USER13> I was definitely hoping for a lot more based on the title. I'm also not sure I agree with the phrasing that he "discovered" an alternative notation. Invented, maybe, but not discovered.

<comment><USER14> That's one of the fundamental questions of mathematics. Are you discovering or inventing?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Here's an exercise for the reader:

* Why is this coming from "tulsatoday"

* Why is the article written in a particular manner?

* What biases and agenda is the publication attempting to platform here?</comment>


Ask HN: What does Atari mean? - jian-yiang <comment><AUTHOR> [https://japanthis.com/2013/04/09/what-does-atari- mean/](https://japanthis.com/2013/04/09/what-does-atari-mean/)

<comment><USER2> Actually, it means a lot of things, depending on the context and language:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_(disambiguation)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_\(disambiguation\))</comment></comment>


Things Hiring Managers Wish You Knew - <AUTHOR> http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109835/21-things-hiring-managers-wish-you-knew?mod=career-worklife_balance <comment><USER3> Something rubs me wrong about "Please don't call more than once a week. We don't talk to candidates not selected for further interviews. Where is my thank-you letter?"

<comment><USER4> I couldn't find that line in the article?

<comment><USER5> It's a summation and it's not accurate, in specifics like how the author actually decries the common practice of not "talk[ing] to candidates not selected for further interviews" and in why a thank you letter was encouraged.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> A couple disagreements:

 _We'd like a thank-you note right away._

Honestly, this level of formality would drive me bonkers and I would be more likely to think of the candidate as an overachiever type

 _Reference-checkers can call anyone you've worked for or who might know you, even if they aren't on the list you provide_

This just seems rude and invasive. I'm all for due diligence but if you don't want to be stalked by your candidates, don't stalk them back

And I want to emphasize this one, as someone who has had multiple candidates come in over a half an hour early in the last month:

 _You can be too early to the interview._

Really. If you're that early, go for a walk. Find a coffee shop. Anything but interrupting the pre-arranged schedule and making everyone in the office uncomfortable while you sit in the waiting area that no one ever uses.

<comment><USER7> >We'd like a thank-you note right away.

They want a thank-you note for doing their job? Does the interviewee also get a thank-you note for taking time out of their day to go see them?

<comment><USER8> If I sent a thank you note to my interviewer, I would certainly expect a thank you note back.

[http://www.theonion.com/articles/gratitude-for-thankyou- note...](http://www.theonion.com/articles/gratitude-for-thankyou-note-plunges- friends-into-i,5966)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> I don't care about any of these things when I interview people. I know what position I am in -- sheer desperation. I know what position the candidate is in -- tons of other opportunities if they don't like mine. I'm not going to disqualify someone who is too casual or who arrives too early or who doesn't send a thank-you note or who doesn't have a cover letter.

All I care about are programming ability and whether or not the person is going to be easy to work with.

<comment><USER10> If you get someone who seems not to care or makes you uneasy then you're not going to hire them, right? The thank you note is a little bit old school, but how else do you figure out if they're going to be easy to work with, if not how they behave on the interview?

<comment><USER9> Right, that's what I care about. I don't care if they are running late or if they have a beautifully typeset resume. That stuff just doesn't matter. How they answer interview questions does matter.

<comment><USER11> If they run late, or have a badly formatted resume, it shows their lack of attention to detail or poor planning/preparation. That is _exactly_ the qualities I _don't_ want in an employee.

I've interviewed hundreds of people in my time as a manager and employed around 100 people (probably around a 10 to 1, interview to hire ratio average) and one thing I've learnt is the small issues are important things to note because they are the early warning indicators of issues.

Being a good employee and fit for the team is much much more than simply answering a question correctly.

<comment><USER9> I disagree. Not being able to find a building in a fixed amount of time is not a skill I care about. A misformatted resume doesn't really mean anything except that Word is buggy. I'm hiring a programmer, not a typesetter.

Anyway, YMMV.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> There is no indication of what qualifies the author, Alison Green, to make statements about what hiring managers want. Presumably, she's a hiring manager of sorts, but the article doesn't actually state this. It is therefore impossible to know what hiring contexts she thinks this list is appropriate for.

Certainly, in any hiring situation I've been connected with (as a software engineer), the main concern has always been, "Can they actually design and write code that works?", with a strong side of "Can they work with and get along with the existing engineers?". Nobody cares if they arrive slightly early or what their greatest weakness is.

I suspect this list is made for interviewees fairly new to the job market who lack any skills that are in high demand.

</comment><comment><USER13> Should be "Things Hiring Managers Wish You Would Do Because It Would Make Their Jobs Easier, But Many Of Which May Hurt Your Chances Relative To People Who Don't Do Them."

<comment><USER14> Which of these recommendations do you think might hurt your chances?

<comment><USER15> Honestly talking about your weaknesses.

<comment><USER16> "I know the usual advice is to take something only slightly bad and turn it into something positive. But I don't think that's honest. So I guess my problem is that I don't like to play games with interviewers."

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> I think this article represents an extremely old-school view of hiring and job searches. Who writes cover letters any more? Granted, my view is completely biased toward tech companies, but believing that if you just have a "really good cover letter" that it will help you land your dream job I think is foolish.

All the people I know who have awesome jobs tried to meet as many people as they could from the company where they wanted to work (outside of the recruiting dept.) and made an impression by showing off actual skills - <USER2> they've worked on - as opposed to a great cover letter/resume.

<comment><USER18> In my experience, the cover letter is still quite important. Last time I looked for jobs (a year ago) I cold-contacted some "hot" startups and included a cover letter and resume. The cover letter was very specific to each position, and detailed my fit for the position and my enthusiasm for the company. It was incredibly time-consuming to write those, but it paid off: I got a phone interview at nearly every place I applied.

<comment><USER19> I second that. A great cover letter won't be the sole reason you were hired for a job (or even a big reason), but it will be a big reason you were called in for the interview. And from my own experience, people who take the time to write a cover letter also tend to be people who do better on the subsequent interview (probably because candidates will only take the time write a cover letter for job positions that they're genuinely qualified to fill).

Joel Spolsky offers an interesting perspective (which I believe is right on) in his piece, "Getting Your Resume Read."

<http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ResumeRead.html>

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> A very good set of recommendations. Here's a few of the less usual ones:

" _You should address being overqualified in your cover letter."_

" _We may check references beyond your list._

" _Some of us actually care about candidates._ "

For the latter the author decries firms that don't respond to candidates they pass over. He's right that it's inexcusable and that a _few_ do care enough. Unfortunately it's very few, but there are some.

</comment><comment><USER20> I'm pretty sure every candidate knows #1. But candidates that are too honest rarely get anywhere. I'm not saying you necessarily need to _lie_.

I'm just saying that interviewing is the time to sell yourself more than it is the time to be completely honest.

</comment><comment><USER21> I like the end point about the question your resumé should answer: what did you do that someone else in the same job wouldn't have. That's a nice twist.

</comment><comment><USER22> Many good points in the OA but overall I don't think it jives well with the software field. Because in software there's such a lop-sided balance of power in favor of the good programmer (due to talent rarity and availabilty) that it's much more important that the candidate has the skills, talent and availability. If a candidate sucks or is a faker the power lies with the potential employer. Otherwise it lies with the candidate.

I also think the OA's advice misses out on the notion that it is a two-way street: the employer is also applying to the candidate for the priviledge of getting that person's future time and commitment, and taking on the opportunity costs that candidate will incur if they end up working for you.</comment>


Myspace Should Buy Posterous - <AUTHOR> http://notes.dylanized.com/myspace-should-buy-posterous

<comment><USER2> Why would Posterous sell to MySpace? They're hemorrhaging money, employees, and users, while Posterous is growing quite well. Selling to MySpace seems like it'd be a terrible idea..

<comment><AUTHOR> Yeah Posterous might be growing, but they're still the also-ran of the social networks. Taking on the mantle of the former world leader would put them on a new level

Like when Dick Grayson became Batman for awhile. sorta

<comment><USER3> Posterous is more of a blog host than a social network. They don't need to be the most popular to be successful.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> There's no real analysis here.

This is the equivalent of me saying "RIM should buy Apple. They have this cool new iPhone. I really like it. They should buy it."

Maybe, but that's not really how it works.

MySpace is pivoting, from a social network to a music platform for Indie artists. That's where MySpace is going. It isn't (and hasn't) tried to compete with Facebook for years (and I thought the MySpace/Facebook comparisons diesd a while back).

Adding Posterous and/or any microblogging to Myspace's current platform adds no strategic advantage to MySpaces' current service as it stands.

That said, Posterous is pretty awesome. I just don't see how it would be a useful addition to Myspace in anyway.

<comment><AUTHOR> good answer. the music pivot is cool, but i think that ship has sailed

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> uh, but Posterous has a higher valuation than MySpace... wish they would work on site performance though...

</comment><comment><USER6> Too bad someone bought myspace anyway</comment>


Testing is not a thing in the iOS and Mac community and that sucks. - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/luisobo/Nocilla/issues/37

<comment><USER2> > It's a shame, but automated testing is not a common practice in our > community.

Seems like an overreaction and over-generalization. Maybe it's a reaction to the fact that the author writes no unit tests? Such statements can be made about anything. How about "Coding style is not a thing in the iOS and mac community".

Anyway, most Mac based code bases I have worked with have lots of unit tests.

</comment><comment><USER3> I'm reading this headline as I have iOS integration tests running in another window. That said, at the moment there's a slightly janky test setup and I'm using some ugly semaphores for testing asynchronous methods. I'd love to read about how others are doing this kind of thing though and I am pretty excited about the new stuff in Xcode 5.

Maybe more important than testing, I think support for writing libraries is really lacking. I know cocoapods is working on this but it would be amazing if we had something as easy as npm in iOS land. Any time I notice I'm doing something in one app that would be useful somewhere else, it's really quick to package the module up in an npm module. With obj-c stuff I usually just copy/paste :).

</comment><comment><USER4> I came to iOS development after five years doing TDD and Ruby on Rails. It was a shocking change. The early iOS testing tools were pretty bad or just plain missing, but what really got me was that no one seemed to care at all. It really was just a different culture.

</comment><comment><USER5> One of the benefits I see in unit testing is the fact that it makes you write _testable_ code. Only that is already a huge argument for incorporating testing in the development process.

</comment><comment><USER6> oh so poignant. if apple expects this platform to be around for a while, they are the true beneficiaries of TDD in iOS.

<comment><USER7> This platform started in the 80's with NeXT (NextStep). I don't think they have to worry.

TDD is more often than not a waste of time.</comment></comment>


Functional Signal Processing Using Swift - <AUTHOR> http://www.objc.io/issue-24/functional-signal-processing.html <comment><USER2> Isn't sampling from a signal basically what FRP is? I can't really tell if this fits the other requirements of FRP like referential transparency, etc.</comment>


Programmer Ignites Debate with Claim Apple Has Lost Software Touch - <AUTHOR> http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DGB-39690

<comment><USER2> I imagine more than a few Apple execs read the WSJ.</comment>


Show HN: QABounty – Make money answering questions - <AUTHOR> https://qabounty.com/ I recently finished my site QABounty.
I would get annoyed when I could not get anyone to answer my questions on sites like Stack Overflow so I created this site, https://qabounty.com/. It is basically your standard QA site but you attach a USD $$ bounty to questions. For example I have a question up at:
https://qabounty.com/questions/what-kind-of-database-should-i-use-when-trying-to-store-10-to-15-million-rows-a-day/
The best answer for that question will award that user 3 coins (which can be withdrawn for about $3). I plan on adding my own questions of the day for a while, basically giving money away for a while hoping people use it for their own questions eventually. If you want to make a quick $3 though and check out my idea please go to the site and try to answer the question!
Let me know what you think! I am also looking for a designer as well after I see if people like the idea.. I used Stripe's new withdraw to debit card feature so you don't have to use bank account info to withdraw your "bounty" (money you get for answering questions)... Please give me some feedback on the site/idea! <comment><AUTHOR> I recently finished my site QABounty.

I would get annoyed when I could not get anyone to answer my questions on sites like Stack Overflow so I created this site, [https://qabounty.com/](https://qabounty.com/). It is basically your standard QA site but you attach a USD $$ bounty to questions. For example I have a question up at:

[https://qabounty.com/questions/what-kind-of-database- should-...](https://qabounty.com/questions/what-kind-of-database-should-i-use- when-trying-to-store-10-to-15-million-rows-a-day/)

The best answer for that question will award that user 3 coins (which can be withdrawn for about $3). I plan on adding my own questions of the day for a while, basically giving money away for a while hoping people use it for their own questions eventually. If you want to make a quick $3 though and check out my idea please go to the site and try to answer the question!

Let me know what you think! I am also looking for a designer as well after I see if people like the idea.. I used Stripe's new withdraw to debit card feature so you don't have to use bank account info to withdraw your "bounty" (money you get for answering questions)... Please give me some feedback on the site/idea!

<comment><USER2> I'm not quite sure the financial incentives really align for anyone who's time is worth anything (e.g. doesn't live in a third world country). For instance, even at rather modest rate, your $3 buys about 8 minutes of my time, which isn't going to get much of an answer.

<comment><USER3> That's right. Joel Spolsky (co-founder of StackOverflow) and others said long ago that offering people cash incentives can work against you. Some people will do quality work for free if they receive a non-monetary incentive like recognition. But when you reduce it to dollars, they can easily do the math and decide it's not worth helping you.

The above-linked question about databases is a great example: it basically asks the reader to solve a fairly tricky database design/administration problem for the princely sum of US $3. And this is a question posted by the site's creator?

Almost no one will be your part-time DBA for $3. And anyone who will should be treated with suspicion.

If you want to pay me money to solve your IT problems, great, let's talk about that, but it's going to be more expensive than an ice cream cone.

<comment><AUTHOR> I put this up too soon.. so I am trying to deal with scaling and some other issues right now but to briefly try to answer those questions/points..

The point is not to get anyone to be your "part time DBA" that was just some example question I came up with, hopefully to spark some kind of debate or just usage of the site. I am basically just giving someone $3 for their 2 cents on a scaling question. I think asking for someones opinion on scaling is a little different then asking them to be your part-time DBA.

About the financial incentives, the creator of the question can set the "Bounty" for whatever price they want. And if it is not worth someone's time to answer the question for that price then they can just ignore it right?

Really I am just trying to create an environment where people can offer "something" for help if they are not getting it elsewhere. It is not meant to be a source of employment but just a nice reward for someone willing to lend their time and knowledge.

I have a hand full of friends still in college who would pay a few dollars someone to walk them through a math proofs problem for example..

<comment><USER4> > The point is not to get anyone to be your "part time DBA" that was just some > example question I came up with, hopefully to spark some kind of debate or > just usage of the site. I am basically just giving someone $3 for their 2 > cents on a scaling question. I think asking for someones opinion on scaling > is a little different then asking them to be your part-time DBA.

I have ~13 years of experience. I would rather answer someone's question for free on Stackoverflow or on a Reddit subreddit than get paid.

Networking/Repuation > Beer Money.

Please don't let this take the wind out of your sales, it may work, but I'd rather give my knowledge away for free in the right forum vs a couple of bucks.

<comment><USER5> Maybe the site should have a "cash out for rep" feature?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Nice work bbarrows! Don't let the numerous comments pointing out the motivational problems monetary rewards can create discourage you. This phenomenon (the overjustification effect, researched by Deci, Lepper and quite a few others) certainly exists, but certain preconditons have to be met for it to become a problem. Most importantly, the person doing the work has to be highly intrinsically motivated. If that person then gets rewareded monetarily (extrinsical motication), the intrinsic motivation gets reduced. The consequence is an increase in quantity and decreasing quality of the productive output of the person.

But there are _many_ situations where people already start with no or only extrinsical motivation: They do it for the reputation (reputation is an extrinsical motivator), they are college students who have to learn the topic anyway (so would profit from a second extrinsical motivator besides passing the test) etc. - basically every case where the person is not motivated doing the writeup because it enjoys that exact moment.

tl;dr: the overjustification effect exists, but will only affect your project marginally. Good luck!

</comment><comment><USER7> Often money is not the best motivator. Dan Ariely's research shows people who were asked to volunteer consistently put in more effort than those who were compensated with money or gifts. There's a whole chapter about social norms vs. market norms in his book: Predictably Irrational. There's a decent summary of the chapter here: [1].

[1] [http://robertnielsen21.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/predictably-...](http://robertnielsen21.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/predictably- irrational-chapter-4-the-cost-of-social-norms/)

<comment><AUTHOR> I am hearing some very interesting points about how money could be a poor motivator or even a deterrent (it sounds like some people are saying, because it makes them evaluate the time they are spending on the question and therefore how much their time is worth)?

However in creating this I imagined a poor college kid that was stoked to get a few dollars helping another kid solve his homework.. We will see if that actually happens though..

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> Looks nice.

I like that you thought at the RSS feed. However, the question feed is throwing a syntax error (in FF, and digg reader can't subscribe to it as well):

      XML Parsing Error: XML or text declaration not at start of entity
      Location: https://qabounty.com/questions/feed/
      Line Number 25, Column 1:

</comment><comment><USER9> Logins are not processing. Accepts login but does not change page or permissions level. Recieve "Nonce error: It looks like you don't have permission to do that." on login interactions.

Edit: Refresh x3 negated above.

<comment><AUTHOR> Caching issue.. Just disabled caching.. Site might get overloaded again now due to HN traffic but im bringing up another large instance as I type this.. (facepalm) should have prepared..

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> What happens if someone doesn't mark an answer as answered or choose the best answer?

<comment><AUTHOR> Moderator goes through and does his best to ascertain whether or not the question was answered and who answered it best/first.

If no suitable answer is available coins are refunded. Otherwise an appropriate answer is chosen after 5 days from question post.

<comment><USER11> That's a short timeline and a perverse incentive. One of the clever parts of SO bounties is that they're taken from you whether you award them or not, so the incentive is to be a nice person and do so. Here the incentive is to never award and hope you get it back.

I understand you don't want people potentially throwing away money - its a problem where you need a high volume of answerers for the no-refund model to work. Just something to think about.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> google answers hey?

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Answers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Answers)

<comment><USER7> Apparently former Google Answers Researchers started [http://uclue.com/](http://uclue.com/) after Google shuttered Answers.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> Can't create an account

<comment><AUTHOR> Should be fixed. Was that due to a "Unreadable CAPTCHA token file" error? That was a permissions issue with my deployment..

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> "More Questions" link goes to localhost

<comment><AUTHOR> Embarrassing.. and fixed. Thank you</comment></comment>


A curated list of awesome warez and piracy links - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/Igglybuff/awesome-piracy <comment><USER2> Shall we bet how long that repo will be accessible on MS Github?

<comment><AUTHOR> I'd be surprised to see it go, lists posted on GitHub are primarily for "educational purposes only".

On the contrary, the author seems to be more worried about "exposing and contributing to the demise of" some websites (currently operating under obscurity) by being listed here.</comment></comment>


Principles of an Ideal Database Client - <AUTHOR> http://lapwinglabs.com/blog/principles-of-an-ideal-database-client

<comment><AUTHOR> What every database client should implement but doesn't.</comment>


IBM's Watson gets a job - <AUTHOR> http://www.indystar.com/article/20110913/BUSINESS03/109130318/WellPoint-Supercomputer-Dr-Watson-promises-diagnostic-wonder

<comment><USER2> Part of me sees Watson as a marketing gimmick. Statistically-driven medicine has been around, and effective, for decades but doctors don't trust it. Part of me thinks that Watson's future-cool AI patina makes it a "good tool" even when its efforts could probably have been replicated with a database, a short manual and a month of experience.</comment>


Journalists' Addresses Posted In Revenge For Posting Of Gun Permit Owners - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/26/journalists-addresses-posted-google-maps-gun/

<comment><USER3> That some random individual with a blog can harvest the addresses of every single registered gun owner with a freedom of information request is thought provoking to me.

In the past, I had vague fears about what such lists could be used for, but my fears were always aimed toward the group that held civil control. Now I am struck with how easy it is for the $FANATICAL_CAUSE down the street to obtain such a list. Such freedom of information is dangerous.

This inability for a government to avoid releasing large databases full of dangerous information to random people is frightening.

Is this the way the world is heading? If so, I have some business ideas I need to start working on.

Let me use the freedom of information act to obtain the database that maps license plates to names and addresses. Next time you accidentally cut somebody off in traffic, expect him to be waiting at your house when you get home, after visiting my website. Maybe he's already had a little visit with your family while he was waiting.

Let me use the the freedom of information act to obtain the tax returns of every person in an area. We'll publish how much you make, where you work, and the names and ages of your children, so anybody who might be interested in such things can visit my website to do searches. After all, information should be free, right?

The only thing that scares me more than my government having complete and total knowledge of my life, is for it to be accessible by any lunatic with a computer. That was a worry I didn't even have when I woke up this morning.

<comment><USER4> It sounds to me like this information was intended to be public and disseminated to interested parties (researchers, critics, etc). From the article: "Gun permit holding is public information in New York, and can be acquired through a mere request via the Freedom of Information Act."

So I think your example of DMV registrations or tax returns being obtained through a freedom of information act is a bit of a stretch because the DMV has explicitly stated on the myriad forms I've signed that they will only ever share your information with the court when required. Or in the case of a DUI they will also sell your information to ambulance chasing lawyers (personal experience).

<comment><USER5> Tax data is protected by Federal law and regulation. It's pretty secure.

DMV data, on the other hand, is for sale in most states, and is exchanged with other states and in some cases Canadian provincial entities as well. Telemarketers, marketing firms, etc all buy your personal information and registration data from the DMV, often getting it in near real time.

<comment><USER4> This is good to know. Out of curiosity do you have any experience with these sorts of agreements with state DMV's? Any more info?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I don't currently own any guns and have none registered to my name, but if gun owners were labelled similarly to sex offenders on a publicly searchable map like in the article, I would go out of my way to get put on that map. I don't shy from a gun; I hunt and target shoot using my family and friends' guns. I just don't own any due to not having a reasonable case for owning one in my current living situation (I have roommates).

What purpose would that map serve? The only thing I can think of is your easily-offended neighbors would avoid you and your house. Good. If you're going to get up in arms (so to speak) about private and legal gun ownership and knowing that I own a gun is going to change your opinion of me for the worse, I'd like to know that before I invest significant time into building a relationship with you as my neighbor. If you're going to assume I'm a criminal just because I own a gun, I want nothing to do with you. Another benefit I could see from this type of map is a convenient listing of addresses that burglars may tend to shy away from. No one wants to rob a house and find a gun in their face if there is a house right next door without weaponry.

Do I want this information presented in this way? Not particularly. There's not much benefit to the average person in knowing where legally registered guns are kept, and potentially negative consequences if the neighborhood kids now know that your house has guns they could get a hold of.

I strongly disagree with the intentions of the journalists in this case, and applaud the lawyer for his response in a vigilante justice sort of way.

<comment><USER7> I am not supporting the publishing of either set of information. So this is Devil's advocate a little. The only benefit I can see from publishing the original list would be that as a neighbor it might be nice to know if your neighbor's owned guns. Why? Well, if they also displayed disturbing behavior it might be good to have that as context. To dramatically simplify - <USER2> it would be nice to have some additional context to put around the house down the street or across the way where there is ongoing issues of domestic violence/mental illness or disturbing behavior.

One of the most disappointing elements of Newton was that the family understood that their child had severe behavioural issues and also kept the means for massive destruction within the house. Perhaps a third party could have encouraged the removal or one or the other when witnessing the anti social behaviour.

Lastly, however flawed, the newspaper did present a logic of "common public good" while the response was purely vindicative/vengeance. It's worth noting.

<comment><USER8> >it might be nice to know if your neighbor's owned guns

I'm sure it's nice to know for robbers as well if they knew you didn't have one. The info was always available but now the ones who don't make an honest living know this.

<comment><USER7> This "robber" argument is incredibly FUD'ish and worth thinking through further. When we talk about gun ownership, robbers and guns we're usually discussing the fear of getting shot by a burgular. Getting robbed sucks but most of us have insurance and all of us agree it pales in comparison to getting shot.

So let's think this through:

\- If a robber is robbing my house, and is armed, and we accidentally confront each other, which is my preferred state of mind? Which outcome is most likely to result in me not being shot? a) Robber believes me to not be carrying any gun per this map? b) Robber believes me to be carrying a gun (per this map?) c) Robber has no access to this information so has to assume there's a 50/50 chance I'm packing heat?

Therefore the greatest risk, if any really comes from this map, is probably the identified gun owner vs the identified non gun owner should the robber (incorrectly) conclude the gun owner is away and the non gun owner is home and needing to quickly steal electronics for instant cash to buy illegal drugs.

<comment> shawn-butler It is not FUD. If someone wants to steal a gun they now have a list of soft targets from which to choose.

It reminds me of the furor that erupted when someone used 4square and twitter APIs to create a map of homes for which the owner was traveling. Wasn't it calked rob me or something?

In that case API access was terminated because the use violated the terms of service. Creating a map to promote breakins isn't something twitter or 4square does. I can see researchers or auditors having a valid use case for obtaining a list of weapons permits but a journalist/activist who just wants to disrupt the peace? Pretty dumb decision by the local authority or more probably one motivated by the politics of some local bureaucrat wanting to "make a difference" and abusing their authority.

<comment><USER7> Yes and I'm old enough to remember when a small but vocal % of people refused to put out automated out of office email replies because who knew who would receive them (anyone who emailed you) and what they could do to you knowing that you were away. Seems funny now but people at the time were certain it was a ticket to be robbed or worse.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Stuff like this pretty much confirms the NRA's fears about gun registration. It didn't immediately result in gun confiscation or anything, but yeah--it's just used for registration today, but tomorrow it's used against you.

<comment><USER8> I don't like this but I don't understand how this deals with "NRA fear." Many NRA members are proud they have a gun. Like anyone else, they are eager to tell or show why like them.

<comment><USER10> It's like the google real name debate in reverse. Some people are proud to identify with a group, so therefore we should out everybody, right?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> When concealed-carry permit addresses were published by a journalist in our town in 2007, people who had fled abusive relationships were immediately forced to move.

<http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/108418>

Transparent government is a net positive, but as with everything, we have to be careful with the consequences of our actions.

<comment><USER12> Personally, I think that this has less to do with having a transparent than it does with personal privacy. I think that the latter trumps the former. Government is supposed to be open because everybody funds it through taxes. A private individual should have the freedom to remain private if they so choose.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> I live in Utah, where most people own guns and a large group, myself included, have concealed carry permits. All interactions with strangers happen in that context, and we do ok. We've had some shootings. They're s seen as a reminder that individuals should carry more, not less.

<comment><AUTHOR> "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

\-- Robert A. Heinlein

[http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertahe100989.h...](http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertahe100989.html)

<comment><USER13> I've heard this quote a lot. Carrying a loaded weapon is a MASSIVE responsibility. It's really scary at first, but you can learn to do it effectively and safely with enough training. The training is critical.

<comment><USER14> A responsibility I'm not sure all (even law-abiding) adults are capable of handling.

[http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pizza-shooter- claim...](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pizza-shooter-claims-stand- ground-article-1.1225019)

Customer complains about Pizza taking too long. Gets in verbal altercation with armed gentleman. Result: shots fired. Thankfully no deaths.

<comment><USER15> Surely not all adults are capable of handling the responsibility of several things; debt, firearms, a vehicle, alcohol etc. I don't want to live in a place where this is a justification for anything.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> The main argument, and a silly one, summarizing the outrage about the map is "now criminals can find guns to steal".

This is very silly -- there are plenty of maps to use to find banks, gun stores, gasoline, fertilizer...or rich people's homes.

<comment><USER17> The inverse of the list is a collection of targets that are "safe" to invade.

Edit: added quotes. Some criminal will certainly, without thinking, decide these are safe targets. And statistically speaking, they'd probably be right more often than not. At the least, it's a great list of targets to avoid if you're planning to loot a neighborhood.

<comment><USER18> Registration is generally not required for a shotgun, which is what is commonly recommended for home invasion defense. While there is certainly going to be an overlap between owners of registered handguns and owners of unregistered shotguns, "house is not on the map, no guns to worry about in there" is a false assumption.

<comment><USER19> Who recommends a shotgun for home defense? Its a poor choice as it is less maneuverable, ranges are very short and gives the attacker a lot of leverage to pull it away from you. Of course, people _selling_ shotguns might recommend them...

<comment><USER18> The primary line of reasoning is that a buckshot shell is going to pack more force than a handgun (12-gauge #00 buckshot is 1.2k-3k ft/lbs of force spread out over 9 pellets, depending on the shell and weapon versus ~500 ft/lbs of force from a .40 handgun round), but because it's spread out over multiple pellets, it will be more easily stopped or slowed by walls or other obstructions, reducing the chances of a round penetrating a wall and harming a bystander. Additionally, a shotgun requires far less precise aiming to operate effectively, specifically because of the physics of it being a short-range weapon. Since most people don't have training in precisely aiming and firing guns in high-stress situations, a weapon that requires less precision to use effectively is going to be much more useful if you ever did find yourself in a situation that you needed to use it.

A shorter barrel would obviously be more maneuverable, but shotguns must have a minimum barrel length of 18" by law, specifically in order to prevent them from being easily concealed.

<comment><USER19> Try shooting a shotgun at the distance you would indoors and you will be surprised I think. The pellets only spread out about 1" per 3-5 ft. Shooting across a room and hitting something is still going to require some precision.

<comment><USER15> Funny story; when I was in the Army we had shortened Remington 870s used for breaching. One of my friends was trying to convince everyone that the "shorty" would be ineffective when used in a hanger because of the potential distance between target and assaulter. Another friend offered to help test the theory out by being the one behind the shotgun. It turns out that the shotgun doesn't do much when shortened but there is a strong physical reaction that occurs when someone fires one in your direction.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> The comments on the TC piece are quite disturbing, even by Internet comment standards.

<comment><USER7> Seriously. What the heck happened to TC? It was never the high point of debate on the web but it's struggling to rank much above local trashy mag comments. And so much for the quality improvement we'd receive when people had to use their real identities. Is the problem AOL piping a lot of traffic into their stories?

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> I saw this coming from a mile away as soon as I saw the map go up yesterday. I think the real debate is mental health and deeper checks on those who are at higher risk of violence in the mental health community. The stigma also needs to be removed from our culture of such diseases so we as a culture can move beyond the gun debate and concentrate on those who lash out with violence. As a gun owner, I am both for stricter controls but its obvious that gun control only affects those who are legally looking to buy guns .. not the violent offenders in our culture.

</comment><comment><USER22> If we're going to play like kids anyways, then I think more interesting would be a map showing journalists with gun permits.

</comment><comment><USER23> The thing that bothers me most is that people's addresses are a matter of public record, period. It's one thing to know someone has a gun license, or donated money to a political candidate, or owns a domain name.

It's another thing to reveal where they live. Sometimes people move for a good reason, and don't want someone else to be able to find them. (Abuse cases, etc.)

Other countries solve this by having ID numbers -- American SSN's are the closest. Those can be used in official documents, etc. Whereas in the US, domain names and other licenses are assigned to someone with a particular name, at a particular address, since SSN's aren't supposed to be used as general-purpose ID numbers, and what other option do you have?

</comment><comment><USER24> Can I get added to the list of gun owners please?

Make a note that I am an expert marksman and I shoot to kill.

Also, please add that I don't own anything worth trading your life for.

<comment><USER25> The fact that you get excited about killing another human shows you are not qualified to own a gun.

<comment><USER26> Actually, it does not.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> err... eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind, Anyone remembers that?

this exposes both groups to a lot of risk, really a bad call I would say. A criminal can use the info to take revenge on a media personnel, or rob/hurt/murder/rape someone without a gun.

<comment><USER28> "err... eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind, Anyone remembers that?"

It seems people have taken on a more Parker Brothers attitude: "Sorry! You get me I get you back".

"A criminal can use the info to take revenge on a media personnel, or rob/hurt/murder/rape someone without a gun."

Just because somebody isn't on that map doesn't mean they don't have a gun. All it means is that they just don't legally own a gun.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> Well, fear probably increases gun ownership, so not a bad move from the pro- gun side...

</comment><comment><USER30> Live by the sword, die by the sword.</comment>


Ask HN: "Work on something that matters to you more than money." - <AUTHOR>

Tim O'Reilly mentioned in one of this blog posts: "Work on something that matters to you more than money...."[http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/work-on-stuff-that-matters-fir.html]...
I'm a hacker and also a pickup artist and would like to ask you for advice. I really really love tackling the problem of social dynamics, picking up women is something I love doing, yet I'm very keen on creating a business. I don't really like programming, it gets boring, I dont find it as challenging, nor design.
It seems like the only thing I really have fun doing and always find a challenge to tackle is the pickup artist society/social dynamics...
Any advice?
Thanks! <comment><USER2> Social dynamics fascinate me as well. So far, I have not found a means to turn it into a business. For me, a consistent challenge is that monetizing such a thing has to be indirect. I don't believe it would work to sell it like a consultancy on a hourly basis -- at least not for the things I am working on. For me, this piece of it has been a very frustrating thing. However, the stuff I love more than money basically needs to be a grass roots movement to get anywhere and that is where having such insights may prove to be useful in the long run. Perhaps you need to look at "marketing" as a possible outlet for this interest of yours? Presumably, pick-up-artistry is basically about selling yourself. Presumably, that would translate well to other things if that is how you want to go (ie it is a form of marketing so maybe that is a potential strength for you). I have a personal stumbling block in that regard. Maybe you do not.

Good luck with this.</comment>


Why snark works - <AUTHOR> http://agrammar.tumblr.com/post/211360936/why-snark-works <comment><USER2> _Flippancy works best for people who already agree with you in principle._

And this is why snark "works" -- people only care about socializing, not learning or persuading. Snark "works" by reinforcing commonality, stigmatizing difference, and turning disagreement into rivalry. Snark "works" if you're interested in the distinction between "people like me" and "people unlike me" rather than the distinction between your ideas and someone else's ideas. It doesn't work at all if you want to communicate constructively with people who have fundamentally different or alien ideas.

EDIT: I guess I didn't say anything very different from him, but I thought he glossed over the negative aspects pretty quickly. He characterizes snark as an ugly way of bullying people close to you, he says it is "quite possibly a really bad thing and a really bad habit," but he's clearly looking forward to using it. Creepy.

<comment><USER3> I'm with you. Take this part, saying that thoughtful discussion is potentially dull and time-wasting:

> Flippancy is more fun. The work of reaching out and explaining things is > potentially dull and time-wasting; it's just plain funnier and more exciting > and more gratifying to be on the inside of shared assumptions.

He has it completely backwards - standard internet sarcasm is incredibly boring and repetitive. It's sad when a good site gets popular and the same cliched rudeness and snark replaces and pushes out the good and thoughtful discussion.

<comment><USER4> Its not only sad online but offline to. I wonder what causes people to talk/write in a snark fashion? What is the main motivator. To be cool? Get noticed? I guess youtube comments are the perfect example.

Maybe only thoughtful discussions can be had when a group is limited to a certain size and status is defined by the most original discussions. Not by the most accepted.

<comment><USER3> > I wonder what causes people to talk/write in a snark fashion? What is the > main motivator. To be cool? Get noticed?

It's a part of it - is regarded as cool to be angsty and defiant. When someone doesn't actually have intelligent points, they can just make the same joke they read about in the newspaper or heard a comedian say.

> Maybe only thoughtful discussions can be had when a group is limited to a > certain size...

I think this is more true with men than women - I think men jockey for status a little more.

> ...and status is defined by the most original discussions

Either that, or a clearly defined hierarchy. If it's clear who is in charge and there's mutual respect, there's no status jockeying. It's when it's not clear who is in a leadership role or there's not mutual respect that you get the most of it. Anonymity only makes that worse.

<comment><USER4> \- So you would say its not only to be cool and get noticed but its also to say something, without caring about its originality, just to re-express a comment that has a proven effect? And this is better than saying nothing?

\- Not sure I agree with your comment about women vs men with status. I believe that no matter what the information is, the social dynamic is different given a smaller group/context. It helps all of us narrow the focus.

\- No clue why I keep hearing this love of hierarchy, respect and accountability. Whats wrong with just having something worth talking about? I think we all have a voice, maybe not the best tools to deliver it. But I think that's our job. :)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> _"They convince socially, not rhetorically."_ is an interesting take on the well-known idea of peer-group pressure. Humans have a need to belong, and we'll do it using whatever means are available. It's not just reddit memes, but also even the kind of language scientists use (so their "dominant paradigms" are partly social paradigms). When you laugh at a clever xkcd comic, it's partly a social laugh.

I hadn't thought of it in terms of _convincing_ people - of having arguments and assumptions accepted, often without any opposition, because the conscious barriers are circumvented. Advertising uses this (especially sports-star endorsement). It's not just a sense of "getting it" and belonging/being accepted - it's also values and beliefs being changed.

Incidentally, peer pressure was experimentally confirmed in the famous <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments>

_EDIT_ the problem with sacrificing objectivity for a sense of belonging is that you don't see things quite as they are, so you have less ability to make a difference. You can't hack "magic" (there's my in-group reference). But in any group, people will try to conform unconsciously - the stubbornness of Establishment scientists (putatively truth-seekers) is a well-known trope; even here, HackerNews has some cult-like qualities (the "pg cult").

The problem of going the other way is that you sacrifice a sense of belonging for the sake of objectivity - an inhumanly cold choice. And you can't do it fully, anyway.

<comment><USER4> "the problem with sacrificing objectivity for a sense of belonging is that you don't see things quite as they are, so you have less ability to make a difference."

How do we agree as a group and yet continue to think independently? We have to agree on some things...right?

<comment><USER5> I think you're getting at having a common language, terminology, notation, in order to be able to communicate.

These also carry assumptions and biases within them. Often, breakthroughs come along with new notation or terminology - a new conceptual way to reason and talk about the subject - that the existing language "taught away" from.

But communication is also important for seeing more, and having more objectivity, by getting new points of view. Just being aware of the subjectivity is probably the best we can do in practice.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> One should take it as a good sign if people are criticizing them with only snarky remarks. Especially if the snark is uninformed or misinformed!

</comment><comment><USER4> When i'm new to a group, I like creating my own snark comments instead of acting like I get theirs. Then I can hijack the assumptions others have and make them my own.

Besides if you don't use direct references you have to rely on assumptions. Which makes us all speak babble.

</comment><comment><USER7> I consider it more of a guilty pleasure.

</comment><comment><USER8> All serious comments in this thread will be downvoted.

<comment><USER8> But seriously (If I may spend a little accumulated karma), I argue though humor alot (ALOT), and I sometimes have people ask me "how come you're never serious?" to which I reply, I'm deadly serious. If I didn't care, I'd just be quiet. Keying on the irony of a situation is often the quickest way to get everyone in the same frame for problem solving.</comment></comment>


What Neil Armstrong Got Wrong - <AUTHOR> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613741/neil-armstrong-wrong-apollo/ <comment><USER2> Because the site says MIT on it, it must be right.</comment>


Presence of SARS-Coronavirus-2 in sewage [pdf] - <AUTHOR> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.29.20045880v1.full.pdf <comment><AUTHOR> Abstract

In the current COVID-19 pandemic, a significant proportion of cases shed SARS- Coronavirus2 (SARS-CoV-2) with their faeces. To determine if SARS-CoV-2 is present in sewage during the emergence of COVID-19 in the Netherlands, sewage samples of 7 cities and the airport were tested using RT-PCR against three fragments of the nucleocapsid protein gene (N1-3) and one fragment of the envelope protein gene (E). No SARS-CoV-2 was detected in samples of February 6, three weeks before the first case was reported in the Netherlands on February 27\. On March 5, the N1 fragment was detected in sewage of five sites. On March 15/16, the N1 fragment was detected in sewage of six sites, and the N3 and E fragment were detected at 5 and 4 sites respectively. This is the first report of detection of SARS-CoV-2 in sewage.

The detection of the virus in sewage, even when the COVID-19 prevalence is low, indicates that sewage surveillance could be a sensitive tool to monitor the circulation of the virus in the population.</comment>


Ask HN: Has anyone used LeadFuze? What did you think? - <AUTHOR>

<comment><USER2> I don't think any HN users have used us.

I am Justin McGill (founder of LeadFuze). We're fairly new...90 days in. We have 20 customers thus far.

If you have any questions though, I'd be happy to answer.

Cheers, Justin</comment>


Live: Demis Hassabis (Google DeepMind) on the Future of Artificial Intelligence - <AUTHOR> http://livestream.com/oxuni/StracheyLectureDrDemisHassabis <comment><AUTHOR> Should start at 17:00 GMT (in about a minute from this post)</comment>


Show HN: Booleans as a service - <AUTHOR> https://launchdarkly.com/ <comment><USER2> Saw this on ProductHunt yesterday - Really cool looking service. Not sure booleans as a service is the best way to phrase it though</comment>


The (un)usual suspects – global fraud by country - <AUTHOR> http://blog.siftscience.com/global-e-commerce-fraud/

<comment><USER2> Is this data of who fraud was happening to, or the IP address perpetrating the fraud (probably behind a proxy)?

<comment><USER3> Sift Science intern here. We used the latter for the purposes of this map.

<comment><USER4> Also, it's unclear if that's per capita or just the total number of fraudulent acts by IP origin.

<comment><USER3> it's per capita. Total fraudulent transactions/total transactions in each country.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Find Documents in MongoDB using the mongo shell - <AUTHOR> http://specify.io/how-tos/find-documents-in-mongodb-using-the-mongo-shell <comment><USER2> Why share documentation on a technology that's been around for years?</comment>


Geometric shapes that have evolved to walk - <AUTHOR> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7989532956224708331 <comment><USER2> Karl Sims - evolved virtual creatures (1994) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXzcPNsqGA>

End-over-end Worm - Evolved Virtual Creature [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qOBi2tAnI&fmt=18](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qOBi2tAnI&fmt=18)

</comment><comment><USER3> We studied these in one of my under-grad AI classes a few years back.

Emergent behavior is always fun in practice.</comment>


Open Source Mission Control Software for Web, Desktop and Mobile – By NASA - <AUTHOR> https://nasa.github.io/openmct/ <comment><AUTHOR> Live demo: [https://openmct- demo.herokuapp.com/#/browse/demo:root/demo:3...](https://openmct- demo.herokuapp.com/#/browse/demo:root/demo:3?view=layout&tc.mode=local&tc.timeSystem=utc&tc.startDelta=900000&tc.endDelta=0)</comment>


The World of Blind Mathematicians (2002) [pdf] - <AUTHOR> http://www.ams.org/notices/200210/comm-morin.pdf <comment><USER2> The article ends by mentioning Zachary J. Battles. I knew him both at Penn State and Oxford. (We were computer science students who overlapped by a few years.)

He is one of the most impressive people I have ever met, and also very personable. When I went to Oxford for my interview, he arranged meetings with higher-ups in the department and then took me on a tour of the city.

He moved to Australia a couple of years before I moved there myself; unfortunately I lost touch with him at that point. I don't know what he's up to these days, but I hope he's crushing it in life.

</comment><comment><USER3> For anyone curious about blind mathematicians, I would encourage you to read about my mom, Caryn Navy. She has been completely blind for most of her life and has made notable contributions to the fields of mathematics and software. She also taught at Bucknell University.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryn_Navy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryn_Navy)

<comment><USER4> Great bio thanks for sharing

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Related, [https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.03058](https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.03058): "Along the way a paradox is exposed: The seemingly unintuitive mathematical tools, often associated to higher dimensional topology, have their origins in three dimensional contexts but in the hands of late-onset visually impaired topologists."

</comment><comment><USER6> I was a graduate student at CU Boulder right before Dr. Larry Baggett retired. Once, while studying for my analysis prelim I asked him a question off an old exam I was struggling with and he immediately whipped out a piece of paper and pen and starting writing down integrals without skipping a beat. What a truly amazing and brilliant person, thanks Dr. Baggett!</comment>


Dominant language by industry? - <AUTHOR>

Hey guys,
 What is the most popular language being used in your industry / sub-industry? Who uses them and why? Please forgive me for my ignorance, but:
From what I know: Python and R are very popular as of late in the world of quantitative Finance.
Python is also quite popular in astro-physics and my friends tell me that it is replacing Matlab.
Okay, your turn :)
Edit: Looks like C++ is very popular in the quantitative analytics space as well - mostly due to speed and low latency. A ton of jobs ask for C++ and quite a few like C#. <comment><USER2> Python is very popular and growing within Biology - although molecular biology has a sizeable Ruby and Perl following as well.

</comment><comment><USER3> Go python ! I heard python is heavily used in Film industry, can someone confirm that. I heard that in a google tech talk.

<comment><USER4> According to a conversation with Noah Gift of [http://www.amazon.com/Python- Unix-Linux-System-Administratio...](http://www.amazon.com/Python-Unix-Linux- System-Administration/dp/0596515820) and python atlanta, it seems that's so.

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Boxed-product computer games (Xbox, PS3, Wii, PC): C++ with some C hold-outs. Python and C# are common in the pipeline and tools, but not common in the shipped product.</comment>


Lime – Experimental Sublime Text clone - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/quarnster/lime <comment><USER2> Wow, surprised to see everyone bickering as opposed to giving praise. Just because the author doesn't want you to log issues doesn't mean the project is any less open source... The code is there, if you have a problem fork and submit a pull request. The author is merely stating the fact he can't fix issues by himself and if you find an issue and can help, you should submit a fix.

Calm down people and learn to say thank you every once and a while. This is seriously cool, it's written in Go (which HN has a raging hard on for), what's not to love about this? I'm grateful someone took the time to get this far, now lets take it further.

<comment><USER3> It takes a lot of effort to get something like this out. Just think of all the things the author could've done with time invested in this. And to make it open source and donate it to the world is just crazy. Props to the author. The naysayers ought to suck it up unless they've poured their free time in an open source project like this.

<comment><USER2> That's exactly it. It's like being invited to an expensive restaurant and getting a five course dinner for free including drinks and then complaining that the dinner wasn't good enough. It was a free dinner!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Aha, so that's why there are 100's of new people starring it... ;)

Hello, thanks for the interest. I hope some of you will take the time to contribute in the form of pull requests.

I just updated README.md with a screenshot, here's a direct link: [http://i.imgur.com/VIpmjau.png](http://i.imgur.com/VIpmjau.png)

<comment><USER5> Thanks a lot for doing this project! I have been hoping for an open-source alternative for ST for a while.

As a side note, could you clarify the build section where it says we need to modify cgo.go? I'm not exactly sure what to do there. I'm using Ubuntu 13.10.

<comment><USER6> Haven't gotten this to run yet because my copy of Python does not meet the criteria he listed in the Readme (`Python 3 must be compiled without sigaltstack enabled.`)

However I got it to build on Arch Linux.

First of all: modifying `cgo.go` didn't work for me. Not sure why: but it's included to late in the build process, `abstract.go` bombs out on the compilation.

These flags worked for me just fine on Arch Linux: `// #cgo pkg-config: libffi python-3.3`

That's assuming you have `.pc` files for libffi and python on your system. (Which might not be the case if you're building it from scratch.)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> > _Why can 't I open up an issue?_

> _Because I 'm just a single person and I don't want to offer up my spare > time doing support or dealing with feature requests that I don't care about > myself [...]_

Sort of defeats the point of open source, no? Sublime Text's author could argue a similar case about keeping it closed source himself.

<comment><USER8> The rest of the same paragraph that you skipped is:

> If you want a feature implemented or a bug fixed, fork it and implement it > yourself and submit a pull request when you're happy with the > implementation.

And this is exactly the point of open source. You have the source, you can change it, or pay someone to change it, you can contribute back. Not being able to request features for free doesn't make it against the "spirit of open source".

<comment><USER9> But why not let people post issues, so others can fix them?

<comment><USER4> In my experience with my other open sourced stuff on Github, others fixing stuff is very rare. Having issues enabled quickly turns into users demanding fixes and no amount of asking for others to chime in aiding with pull requests actually result in pull requests.

IIRC most pull requests come either out of the blue for something new no one has requested before, or they don't come at all until I explicitly say "I'm not going to fix this" and close the issue.

<comment><USER10> I've had several bugs fixed in quite a few of my open source projects. Even bugs I've posted on my own projects. And they have only a fraction of the attention yours does.

Why not open the issues up and see if it works out? If anything, you can close them if it's becoming a burden.

In any case, thanks for open-sourcing this project.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Nice work. That's quite a bit of code. If you are serious about this you should setup a website, list features, show screenshots and offer binaries.

As it stand it not likely that many people will build a thing they never even seen a screenshot.

<comment><USER12> Why not build it yourself and submit a pull requests with a screenshot? You have the source and he wrote that he's accepting PRs.

<comment><USER13> On ArchLinux Go is pretty massive ~294 MB (compared to the jdk7-openjdk at ~19MB) installed. I, personally, have avoided installing some small programs because they had Go as a dependency, obviously you can compile a binary to resolve this for the editor itself. It seems like quite a bit of work just to generate a screenshot though.

<comment><USER14> I've heard this argument from people refusing to install packages that depend on haskell too. I don't get it, 294mb is a trivial amount of space nowadays.

<comment><USER13> Depends on how old your computer is and what you do with it I guess.

EDIT:Also if this is the only program using go I now have a 300 MB text editor.

<comment><USER15> Go creates statically linked executables. You don't need to have Go installed to run your text editor.

<comment><USER6> True, though it does look like this is using `cgo` though (for the Qt support?)

Do those dependencies end up statically linked as well? Otherwise you'll need Qt installed. I don't happen to have it on my system, but I'd imagine Qt is quite large compared to the Go development tools.

<comment><USER16> Not really; all of Qt5 (most of which presumably wouldn't be needed to run this) amounts to ~133Mb.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> Here again we see the pain of trying to sell software to open source enthusiasts: the temptation to destroy the author's livelihood by copying their work is too great. By releasing a clone as open source, the copier gets to bask in the reflected glory of the original work. It's like trying to sell original oil paintings to master forgers. BitKeeper is the canonical example, but there are countless others.

<comment><USER18> Except he's doing it because there is (to him) an impression that the original software isn't being maintained. So instead of letting a beloved piece of software disappear he cloned it and released it to the world.

The presumption that he's trying to destroy the original developers livelihood is naive at best.

<comment><USER19> The intention doesn't matter, the effect does. We are talking about risks of doing business with developers (which reimplementation is), not about some abstract morals.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> If Sublime Text development does go off the rails like TextMate 1 did then that'll be my "fool me twice" moment and I'll concede to FOSS tooling advocates.

<comment><USER21> I love ST. Bought both ST2 and ST3 licenses and never thought it was not worth the money. However, it's getting silent and the maintainer does not really care about taking care of the community. I was hoping that it would not be like TextMate.

But I guess I should not be "hoping" for anything when it's about my text editor.

<comment><USER22> Pretty sure that's called "mature software".

<comment><USER23> Vim is mature software and has 20 years history of not going silent. 7.3 has had about 1300 updates published. and they already have 50 updates since 7.4 was released in August.

Mature software doesn't mean done.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> Alright, I had some real problems building this on Ubuntu.

        1. I couldn't compile completion.  There is no build.go in the build directory
        2. I tried compiling lime anyways, by it required go-qt5 even though the repo page says that's optional.

I really wanted to check this out but I'm not really willing to spend more than the 15 minutes I already did trying to build it.

<comment><USER6> Please check out my comment in another thread with my experience: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6601763](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6601763)

As a self-proclaimed gopher: this build has taken me far more than 15 minutes, and I'm still struggling with my Python installation.

The main issue here is that very few of these packages follow the proper conventions to work with the `go get` tool.

The author has attempted to version control his third-party deps (something `go get` lacks) in addition to using cgo (to build a C extension for Python). Plus there's a frontend with a dependency on QT5 (another complicated C-interop library which probably has its own crazy dependency maze).

This is a fairly complex build, but the lack of `go gettable` packages and poor factoring of some packages is definitely making it more complex than it needs to be.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> From the go-qt5 page:

> This is a fork of visualfc's qt4 bindings, and several critical bugs are > inherited along the way. Until these bugs are fixed, this package is not > recommended for any real use. I don't have any time to actively work on this > project, but I'll keep reviewing and merging pull requests.

I guess GUI programming in Go isn't really up to anyplace you can consider 'stable'

<comment><USER26> I recommend checking out go-qml.

[https://github.com/niemeyer/qml](https://github.com/niemeyer/qml)

It is a different approach to using Qt GUI programming in Go where you use qml to define your UIs and keep the interface surface between Qt and Go fairly small instead of trying to expose the whole of Qt (which is very difficult to do in a maintainable manner because of the C++ API).

The license is LGPLv3 instead of the usual MIT-style Go license but it includes a linking exception that makes it viable for just about any use.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> How about instead of writing just an opensource sublime text clone. We sit down as a community and discuss how we can create an even better editor than Sublime Text.

There are some awesome text editors out there that have features I wish were in sublime text but sadly arent.

For example, Rob Pike's acme editor has some really awesome ideas like mouse chording, (contextual right click. middle click command executions, etc), 9p vfs interfaces that allow plugins to be written in any language.

And then there are little experimental editor ideas like Conception with great ideas that are worth checking into.

[https://github.com/shurcooL/Conception](https://github.com/shurcooL/Conception)

Sublime Text gets alot of things right, but during my experience using it and using acme. I often find myself wishing there was a way to take both editors and mash them together because using one often makes me miss using the other.

<comment><USER28> Most people think that they have already found an even better editor than Sublime Text. Sublime Text is used by a small minority of programmers.

<comment><USER29> Do you have numbers to back that up? Or is this purely anecdotal?

<comment><USER30> I think it's more of an assumption than anecdotal. Sublimetext is a very expensive piece of software. You have the forever trial thing, but people don't usually want to get hooked up.

And now piece of anecdotal - I don't know a single person around me that uses it.

<comment><USER31> Can't say I actually use Sublime anymore, although I do know a few people who do, but when put in the perspective of a piece of software you use all day every day it doesn't seem that expensive. Even when many other editors are free.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> Go is an interesting choice. I wonder if this will inspire or scare developers away.

<comment><USER33> You know the rule for a new language. There are few developers, but those are one of the best.

<comment><USER34> That's not a rule, but an unproven assumption repeated mostly by devs that use new languages.

<comment><USER35> Yeah, new languages will probably attract their fair share of hipsters and "rock stars".

They might not be the best, but you can be sure they are able to code. They would get exposed pretty quickly in small communities, if not.

<comment><USER36> IMHO, new languages are dominated by people that are not the best, but are on their way, as they will spend an inordinate amount of time learning from the best in older languages out of necessity. The arrogant go devs of today are likely to be the jaded experts of tomorrow, as they will be forced to learn in ways that devs on an established platform rarely must.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER37> Would it be possible to get a couple of screenshots?

</comment><comment><USER38> I had high hopes for Kod [1] but the developer joined Facebook and stopped developing it.

If Lime is intended for Mac, could do worse than starting with the Kod code base.

1: [https://github.com/rsms/kod/](https://github.com/rsms/kod/)

<comment><USER31> Kod had some great potential for sure. I was definitely disappointed when it stopped being actively developed.

</comment></comment><comment><USER39> Looks like this is as close to Sublime Text for ARM I'm gonna get! (haven't tried to compile it yet, but I can't see why I couldn't).

Best of luck with the project.

<comment><USER24> if you do check it out, you can save some time and get Dave Cheney's unofficial go arm binaries [http://dave.cheney.net/unofficial-arm- tarballs](http://dave.cheney.net/unofficial-arm-tarballs)

<comment><USER39> Yeah I've already got Go running. His binaries are awesome

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER40> There's something wrong on the install instructions: completion can't be installed

$ go get code.google.com/p/log4go github.com/quarnster/parser github.com/quarnster/completion github.com/howeyc/fsnotify package github.com/quarnster/completion imports github.com/quarnster/completion imports github.com/quarnster/completion: no Go source files in /home/oscar/go/src/github.com/quarnster/completion $ go version go version go1.1.2 linux/amd64

How did you guys install lime?

<comment><USER6> I'm still in the process of building it. (Need to get my C deps straightened out for the python integration.) The main problem here is that several of these packages (`lime` included) are not "go gettable."

\---

Completion:

If you `go get github.com/quarnster/completion` it will error out but `$GOPATH/src/github.com/quarnster/completion` should contain the downloaded source files.

If you go into `$GOPATH/src/github.com/quarnster/completion/build` there's a Makefile you can run (with `make`) that should install the package.

\----

Parser:

The `github.com/quarnster/parser` package is also not properly go gettable.

You need to cd into `$GOPATH/src/github.com/quarnster/parser/pegparser` and run `go install` which will put it in `$GOPATH/bin` (I didn't try, but `go get github.com/quarnster/parser/pegparser` might actually work.)

This package is just poorly factored in my opinion. The root package contains the library code, and the binary is in a sub-package. It really should be the other way around: the root package should build the binary, which would import the library from a sub-package. That or they really should be two completely separate packages in distinct namespaces.

\---

QT5:

The `github.com/salviati/go-qt5` library is _also_ not go gettable. However `go get` will download the source to your `$GOPATH` which should be enough for the Makefile to find it.

\---

This is a rather frustrating build because so many of these packages don't follow the proper conventions for Go's package management.

<comment><USER41> I gave up! It fails to build miserably. What's the point of open-sourcing something when you're not open to the community. I mean, do this when it's ready for prime time, provide binaries, and they open-source it so that people can have some confidence in what they're running on their machines.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> My main question is... what doesn't Sublime already do? I get that you want a project that's constantly getting new bugfixes and features, but there's not a whole lot that Sublime doesn't do for you as it stands. It's a mature project, most of the kinks have been ironed out. And, whatever functionality doesn't exist for it, YOU CAN BUILD.

There's only one feature that I feel could benfit ST3 right now, and that's the ability to move files from the sidebar.

But even then, I can't hate on the creator because that seems a bit outside the purview of a text editor in the first place (IMO that moves into IDE territory). I'd love it, and Sublime pretty much _is_ my IDE already (what with build commands, project files, source control integration plugins, etc), but ultimately I'm fine with it not being there because I have a perfectly capable file manager open in a window right beside it.

I don't mean to rag on OP, I absolutely support the mentality that if you feel like something is broken you should fix it: however, in this instance I just feel like it ain't broke.

<comment><USER43> Sublime isn't open source and free.

<comment><USER42> It's pretty much free, if you don't mind the nag dialogs. And it's well worth the money - finally, who cares if it's open source? You can build anything you need on top of it. Maybe it doesn't satisfy some lofty "open-source" philosophy, but for practical purposes, who cares?

<comment><USER39> People who use ARM or other architectures that he's too lazy to make a build for

<comment><USER44> Lazy? That is unwarranted.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER45> How about making a campaign to raise money to buy SublimeText just to make it opensource? (Assuming, it is up for sale, not at an impractical rate.)

</comment><comment><USER46> Looks like there is a screenshot now. Just head to Github page. Or look here: [https://github- camo.global.ssl.fastly.net/b0f3292d2c26070a18...](https://github- camo.global.ssl.fastly.net/b0f3292d2c26070a186cd41ca0e312e8a6504688/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f5649706d6a61752e706e67)

</comment><comment><USER47> Just today, I was thinking to my self, my life isn't long enough to get fully comfortable with emacs or vi (and I am sure I am going to get hate mail for even saying that :)) So, it makes me happy to see a new, from the looks of it, powerful, text editor for the terminal!

I don't get why people are so pissed that this guy is refusing to fix bugs in his code or add features. I get it that Open Source is often massy because of this kind of attitude, but then again, you get MORE than you pay for it, don't you. If this proves to be a popular project, I am sure a community can organize around it. Not to mention that this kind of editor would primarily be used by programmers and coders, it's only fair that at least some of the people who use the software for free would get to contribute to it as well.

<comment><USER48> Vim is not as hard as it seems, the learning curve is kind of steep but nothing too crazy to get the basic things going, it's just a different approach to text editing. Don't get me wrong I would never use it (me, myself!) as a IDE, but as text editor, it's pretty great.

I don't want to start a flamewar about this, I don't find them interesting, I just want to point out that knowing Vim is extremely useful if you're going to be shh'ing into remote machines as it is basically ubiquitous.

<comment><USER49> I agree that flamewars about editors are not interesting, so I won't say too much, other than:

For SSH'ing, another editor which is (nearly) always there, and which I find convenient, is nano - and it displays its common shortcuts at the bottom, so you don't have to learn anything. I still use nano, even on my mac locally, to edit the odd file quickly in the terminal.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> +1 just for taking the effort man. I'm going to review it and post my feedback here.

</comment><comment><USER50> i wish quarnster didn't decide to retire his excellent sublimeclang plugin. it's by far the most useful plugin i've come across for sublime (in fact, i've almost come to rely on it), and i fear that his replacement isn't going to be able to do quite as much as clang can. incidentally, the lack of ST updates have meant that i've not ran into any issues with the plugin randomly breaking..!

that said, i'm looking forward to giving this a go, as an open source sublime text would be perfect.

<comment><USER4> One of the reasons it was retired is the same reason people can't open up issues on lime. Too much demand to fix everything that's broken, and not enough people actually fixing it combined with me not touching much C/C++ code personally.

I do still accept pull requests for it, and if anyone wants to step up as a maintainer I'd happily add them as collaborators after they've submitted a few pull requests.

<comment><USER51> My plan is to dive into the plugin if/when it breaks. If I can't get it working, I'll probably take that as a single to leave Sublime Text (unless development and interaction with the community has picked up again).

At the moment, SublimeClang working so well is the only thing which is stopping me looking around at other editors (I've tried the grand old vim and emacs before, and never got on well with either of them).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER52> While I agree that quarnster is under no obligation to fix issues people have with the code, I think a simple statement to the effect that they will not be fixed would suffice. Not allowing issues and suggesting that people fork the code and set up their own issues neglects the fact that this will probably remain the main repo for the project, and it would be good to have issues in one place even for contributors to discuss.

</comment><comment><USER53> Finally, what we needed, another text editor. I think coders are to obsessed with text editors.

Try to solve new problems, don't copy the solution to existing problems.

<comment><USER54> first level of procrastination: programmer writes own to do list software

second level of procrastination: programmer writes own IDE

</comment></comment><comment><USER55> Why did you choose go as the base programming language?

</comment><comment><USER56> Check out the demo: [http://quarnster.github.io/lime/](http://quarnster.github.io/lime/)

Looks Interesting!

<comment><USER57> That's not the editor. That looks like an experiment that sets up an ACE editor with TextMate syntax highlighting. The Lime editor is written mainly in Go.

<comment><USER4> At one point it was written in javascript. Then in python. Then Go.

I still think a html frontend would be cool, and it's certainly my intent to keep as much of the code in the backend as possible to be able to swap one frontend with another.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER58> Speaking of open source potential - has anybody tried out brackets ([http://www.brackets.io/](http://www.brackets.io/))

It seems like it could be another worthy alternative to sublime text if it moves in the right direction.

Disclaimer: I'm not looking for an alternative to sublime right now - it's stable enough for me to use as it is.

</comment><comment><USER59> More than 1600 people starred the project. There is a clear interest in an open source Sublime Text.

</comment><comment><USER24> On Ubuntu + my AMD card, sublime text just chugs no matter what settings I use or what driver I switch to, so I'm really open to checking out alternatives. I'm even working up the courage to dive into vim.

<comment><USER60> > I'm even working up the courage to dive into vim.

If you're going to be using something 10 hours a day for who knows how many years, definitely take the time to get to know the best tools, which to me are still Emacs and ... I'll grudgingly admit, Vim.

<comment><USER61> Interesting how the editor wars seem to have ceased due to the prevalence of other editors. It used to be emacs vs. vim, now it seems to be emacs and vim vs. everyone else. (I completely agree, from the vim side).

<comment><USER62> I've noticed this too over the past few years that I've been dipping my toes in these waters. I just started learning emacs after working in vim for the past couple of years. Not an attempt to switch so much as to have another tool on my tool belt. Plus I don't want to be handicapped if a pairing opportunity arises.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER63> I have to wonder if this is solving a problem that doesn't really exist. So Sublime Text is closed source and production has slowed down... one could argue the latter happens when any big project blows-up to mainstream.

We have TextMate, we have SublimeText we have an endless supply of code editors and IDEs...do we need another just because of "open source"? I can't help this feels like a wasted effort.

Also, after going through the checklist, the app is supposed to support SublimeText and Textmate snippets, colors, bundles, bindings and more. Seems like the dev might have been better off contributing to these projects rather than trying to push yet another code-editor into an already crowded market.

</2Cents>

<comment><USER4> I don't care about what you need or don't need, maybe I enjoy writing code for the sake of writing code. Implementing the rope structure for example was fun, as was figuring out how to go about with the various ST3 compatibility tasks.

What I choose to do on my own spare time is none of your business no matter how much of a waste of time you think it is.

<comment><USER63> It wasn't my intent to raise a defensive argument from you as I was simply stating my opinion. I know this is your pet project, and you're defensive... but people will have differing opinions and you should get used to dealing with them.

My point (which was perhaps missed?) was that I personally just don't see the value in bringing another text editor into the world especially when you're focused on imitating and supporting others rather than innovating with your own way. If you had created an editor with a new way of doing things, or pushed past existing concepts I wouldn't have thought twice about its value, but all the feature checklist is pretty much "Make this TextMate and Sublime in one" without any real game-changing plans being mentioned.

As to your point about learning new things through projects and enjoying code I don't disagree. My point was simply that you chose to invest your time in an already crowded market and simply reinvented functionality that already existed. I can respect the work, effort and learning that went into the project, I was just musing that it may have been better invested in a project that is a bit more unique and doesn't just reiterate what has already been achieved. That's also why I ended it with </2cents> it was an opinion...

<comment><USER64> Sounds like you _really_ don't get the value of open source.

> If you had created an editor with a new way of doing things, or pushed past > existing concepts I wouldn't have thought twice about its value, but all the > feature checklist is pretty much "Make this TextMate and Sublime in one" > without any real game-changing plans being mentioned.

That's the entire point; he/she wants to add features to Sublime but can't do so because it's closed source. He/she has to get to parity with Sublime before starting to add stuff, no?

<comment><USER63> I do see your point that parity much be reached first, and do personally appreciate the open source model for a number of reasons.

Perhaps my viewpoint stems from the description of the project. The entire opening section talks about how Sublime Text has become slower and less communicative about releases. There's nothing mentioning surpassing the app, missing functionality, or items the developer wants to change. Simply that it's not moving fast enough for the developer of Lime to appreciate, so another must be built.

If there had been a specific statement saying "I want to implement X and Sublime doesn't" or "I want to have an editor do Z and none of the others do" then yes, I would see value in a project that starts off by imitating others. As it stands though, the project describes itself like a recreation of what's already out there without mentioning any intent to build on it.

This strikes me as the typical developer time-sink "I'll build this because I can". Sure it can be fun and educational and maybe help out a handful of people...but the real question that should be asked is "what sets my project apart from the rest". In this case, there's no sign of it aside from using GO and making it open source.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER65> A text editor project without screenshots is just... _wrong_ :)

<comment><USER66> Agreed. Someone else in the forum just posted this

[https://github- camo.global.ssl.fastly.net/b0f3292d2c26070a18...](https://github- camo.global.ssl.fastly.net/b0f3292d2c26070a186cd41ca0e312e8a6504688/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f5649706d6a61752e706e67)

</comment></comment><comment><USER67> Seems like the dominant sentiment is that the maintainer is being defensive... I'd rather like to think he's being up-front and clear about his intentions for the project.

</comment><comment><USER68> I keep expecting some editor that will reuse a browser engine to make a modern Emacs.

</comment><comment><USER69> Nice effort, not sure if thats the right approach though. SublimeText is awesome and alot of work went into it. Before creating your own version of it disregarding everything the original author put into it, one should maybe try to collaborate with him on an unsupported open-source lite version or something.

<comment><USER70> [https://github.com/quarnster/lime#what-is- lime](https://github.com/quarnster/lime#what-is-lime)

<comment><USER71> He means of Sublime text from the original codebase instead of a totally new program

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER72> Is sublime dying out or something? That sucks I just bought a license this year.

<comment><USER73> No, but the author (Jon) has been taking a long time to reply to comments on the forum — which isn't unusual — and there has been a lack of recent updates. The last one was released a couple of days ago and didn't really bring anything new, even after months of waiting.

When I emailed Jon directly about his disappearance (just before the last release) he did say he's aware of his lack of communication and will address it shortly.

<comment><USER74> This sort of thing is exactly why I didn't install Sublime Text on my new laptop. After using v2 for nearly a year and buying a license, I became more and more uncomfortable that if there was a problem with the product, I couldn't fix it myself. Having already been burned by TextMate, I decided enough was enough and only installed Emacs. That was last December, and I'd say I'm much happier - but I also spend a bit more time tweaking my editor than I probably should.

This is not to say I have anything against Sublime Text. It's a beautiful piece of work. It's simply not open source, and that's a deal breaker for a tool as integral to my day to day as a text editor.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER75> Looks interesting. Hopefully it become popular so this guy gets some help.

<comment><USER76> Isn't the 2013 way to get help is run a Kickstarter project for it?

<comment><USER77> Franklin and I are bros and all, so I don't mean to dis him, but he's a shite programmer.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER78> can you please make it so people can post issues? It is a big part of community. even if you do not personally fix any issues it will allow contributors to collaborate about them.

</comment><comment><USER79> If anyone gets some Mac binaries up I would love to give it a try.

</comment><comment><USER80> quarnster, would you explain the what the backend/frontend split is for?

<comment><USER57> Splitting into a generic back end that deals with data means you can adapt different UIs to it. For example, you could provide a native app such as Cocoa without having to rewrite the entire app for that GUI framework.

</comment></comment><comment><USER81> too bad the word "slime" is already used by a text editor.

</comment><comment><USER82> >Python 3

No.

<comment><USER83> Why? I mean, Python 3 is already up for years, and using Python 2x for me personally feels like shooting myself in the foot due to the horrible unicode handling, for example. Why can't we finaly draw the line and abandon Python 2 forever?

</comment></comment><comment><USER84> any screenshot ?

</comment><comment><USER85> No screenshots, no installers, no binaries, no features request.

No thanks.

<comment><USER86> Source code?

Yes please.</comment></comment>