Ask HN: What influenced your personal growth the most? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> Two weeks after earning a PhD in medical research, I was driving down the highway and saw a terrible accident right in front of me. I pulled over and attended to an unconscious man in a crushed vehicle. Myself and several other good Samaritans tried to resuscitate him, but failed.

It was fathers day. I would later find out he was about 40 with two kids. Way too young.

For a time I blamed myself for not being a "real doctor", and I developed PTSD and alcoholism. Years later however, what emerged from that pain was a medical research nonprofit that applies genomics and digital health to hopefully extend the most lives. It's my only passion, really.

Sometimes we create the most amazing things by responding to terrible tragedies. It has taken me 4 years to see the silver lining in that scenario.

<comment><USER3> I was once a certified lifeguard & first responder, and pulled a man from a river during a vacation. He had been underwater several minutes (the man couldn't swim), as he could not be seen--the water was murky & visibility was < 12 inches. He was not lifeless, as he vomited after rescue, but we was not resuscitated and died on the scene.

It's been about 12 years now, I think.

I made some mistakes which I think could have been avoided. Not the mistake of standing by, but I didn't keep my training at the front of my brain. Namely, I did not ensure 911 was called before we found the body, and I did not spend a few seconds trying to recruit more people to look for the body. Both of those may have saved his life, it's hard to say.

I haven't found a silver lining, and I don't expect to. I simply hope that I can perform better in the event that such a thing happens again.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Sleep, diet, exercise, and a means to reflect.

Sleep: I think we undervalue the importance of sleep. This is the time when your body gets to improve itself. Without good sleep, your diet and exercise will be much less effective.

Diet: Your mental and physical well being is a rolling average of the things you eat. Cheat days are fine; cheat weeks are not. As long as your diet is always trending in the right direction, you'll find life becomes a little easier to manage at an increasing rate.

Exercise: I hardly do it for physical reasons (though they are very positive), but instead for chemical reasons. Exercise is very important for your brain, and to flush toxins. I play soccer and lift weights, but you might find something else that you enjoy. The important thing—for me—is that it's something you can get into a "flow" with, that feels almost meditative.

Reflect: Whether you do a 5-minute journal, transcendental meditation, 'Getting Thing Done', or whatever system is popular today... it's important to find where your next 2% improvement will come from. Life is just a series of these steps that push you forward, 2% at a time.

Don't forget to play, either. That's half the human experience (and the source of a lot of creativity).

<comment><USER5> >Diet: Your mental and physical well being is a rolling average of the things you eat. Cheat days are fine; cheat weeks are not. As long as your diet is always trending in the right direction, you'll find life becomes a little easier to manage at an increasing rate.

You're totally right, and would like to stress that you get 1000 meals a year. I prefer to think of "cheat meals" rather than "cheat days" so... splurging once in a while isn't always a bad thing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> A few different things:

\- Growing up with a maker dad and an artist mom. I would routinely come home from school and my Dad would be doing something like building a robot mouse trap with an IR tripwire, and my mom would be on the phone working connections to get a radio interview to talk about a new project. Nothing seemed out of bounds or too hard to try doing yourself.

\- Studying music, and learning that nothing is objectively difficult, just relatively unfamiliar. Learning that any skill is attainable through the right kind of practice.

\- Joining a 2-person start up and growing with it through to an exit. Learning there's no _magic_ to a successful company or project, it's about solving a series of practical problems like anything else.

<comment><USER7> Sounds like amazing parents.

<comment><USER6> Truly.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> For me, it was reading "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" — one small part of it especially.

Long before Pirsig begins asking fundamental questions like, "What can we know?", and "What is the meaning of Quality?", he mentions the seed of his destruction — his realization when studying biochemistry that there were an infinite number of possible theories that he could propose to explain any observation, and that there was no way he could ever know which theory was right, nor would he live long enough to soundly validate any hypothesis he might invent of his own.

Pirsig's ensuing battle with subjective thinking and eventual mental decline as he lost faith that objectivity was fruitful as a way of life, much less realizable... This was my first glimpse into the futility of pursuing a life dedicated to exploring objective reality, i.e. science.

In the 30 years since, I can only confirm that epiphany — there is far more to be gained by telling people what they want to hear and by self promotion than in persisting with reality. Storytellers are far more beloved than are sticklers for the truth.

<comment><USER9> This is a silly false dichotomy that many of "zen" teachings keep repeating.

"I want to know the perfect complete truth + human beings can not know perfect complete truth = therefore truth is unknowable and we should give up trying."

This is dumb. Just because you don't get to be perfect, doesn't mean it's pointless to try to do better.

We are all flawed, but we are less flawed than we were 2000 years ago, and that kind of progress is worth striving for, even if we'll never know the ultimate truth.

Also striving to be better and knowing as much of "the truth" as possible is valuable for it's own sake, "gaining stuff" and being "beloved" is not what makes truth worth pursuing.

<comment><USER10> "We should give up trying" is a straw man - this book is not a teaching nor does Pirsig come from the Zen tradition. And you've completely missed the point with respect to objectivity.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Psychedelic mushrooms, specifically _Psilocybe_ *.

Losing that ego-based view of the world and realizing the interconnectedness of all things, and feeling that connection at the deepest levels of your psyche, does wonders for eliminating the adversarial individualism that I feel generates a lot of issues when enacted in all participants of society. Before, I had (and admittedly still have) some aspects of my self that, when acting through them, generate much undue stress in interpersonal relationships. I've never been particularly social and psychedelics have helped me simultaneously empathize with my fellow participants and remove the stupid anxieties related to others' view of you. "L'enfer, c'est les autres" is still very much a part of my outlook but approaching this mentality from both sides (ego-centric and ego-dissolved) has made abundantly clear how to manage these anxieties, even if I still get caught up in them sometimes, leading to destructive behavior.

All interactions are social, and embedded in the expectations and habits of human participants. At work, in romance, in family, and between friends, understanding what is meaningful and mutually beneficial interaction is essential for long-term happiness as a part of society.

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A second thing that has helped a lot has been living abroad in very colorful and international communities. The vast array of perspectives and norms gives you a wider understanding and a deep empathy for how people can grow up in flawed societies and how to approach the fostering of your own to overcome those flaws.

<comment><USER12> I don't advocate drugs in any form, but everyone should experience hallucinogens at some point in their life. It will change your life, for the better.

<comment><USER13> Not everyone*

People with some personality and mood disorders can really be thrown off by psychedelic experiences. A lot of people really struggle to attain stability and control in their lives, and I'm not sure they are good candidates for people who should have their entire reality pulled out from under them.

<comment><USER11> As always, the key factors are set and setting, i.e., how you are feeling mentally in terms of your comfort zone and confidence that things will go well, and the environment in which you have the experience, especially the kinds of people you surround yourself with.

Meaningful experiences can be had even on quite low doses so I encourage everyone to at least do some research in good faith. One good place to start is Erowid.

<comment><USER14> It's worth mentioning that if you have bipolar or schizophrenia do NOT trip. It will most likely trigger an episode.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Reading. I used to tell myself that I loved to read, but I never read any books. It was a feel-good saying I told myself because everyone likes to think they love to read.

The past few years, I started to _actually_ read. I've fallen in love with reading. The world is more open, my critical analysis is stronger, and my school and engineering work has improved. Overall, I have a much happier disposition than before I read.

I don't know whether to attribute this change to reading or maturing; it's probably a mix of both. However, I think I really enjoy reading now because I select works that I consider well-written. This single characteristic, reading something that is well-written, has changed my outlook on reading. There is some incredible writing out there, and I wish I started reading these pieces when I was younger.

> A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies... The man who never reads > lives only one. > > \- George R.R. Martin

Edit for parallelism.

<comment><USER16> What types of books have you read that you've found helped the most with your critical faculties and such?

This year I've finally got around to Infinite Jest. I don't know that I'm enjoying the book itself so much as I enjoy the mental exercise that I get from its reading, if any of that makes sense.

<comment><USER15> > What types of books have you read that you've found helped the most with > your critical faculties and such?

In this area, I feel I've learned the most from reading commentary in the New Yorker.

For enjoyment, I've read:

* Stories of Your Life and Others by Chiang

* The Odyssey translated by Emily Wilson

* What The F by Bergen

* Blindsight by Watts

<comment><USER17> Have you read any of the other Odyssey translations? I'm very curious Wilson's translation. I read the Fagles, Latimore, and Fitzgerald translations in college and did a few weeks of translation myself in our Greek class (I went to one of those hippy-dippy "Great Books" schools).

I think I was in the minority, but I found the Fagles translation to be far and away the best. I definitely subscribe more to the school of poetic translation than literal translation, so I was intrigued by the Wilson translation. What were your thoughts?

<comment><USER15> I haven't read Fagles' translation or any others. I wouldn't have picked up the Odyssey if it weren't for reviews from others [0] and reading articles [1][2]. I really enjoy her translation, and I wish I could compare hers with others. As someone who knows very little about Greek mythology, I found her 70-page introduction in the Odyssey to be a great primer on what to expect in the epic. After her introduction, she has a shorter translator's note discussing some decisions she made in her translation. If I remember correctly, she does throw a little shade at other translators in the introduction or translator's note.

[0]: Comments from other HN readers, some who have read Fagles' translation: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15624881](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15624881)

[1]: A note from Wilson in the New Yorker: [https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-translators- re...](https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-translators-reckoning- with-the-women-of-the-odyssey)

[2]: NYT article: [https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/magazine/the-first- wom...](https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/magazine/the-first-woman-to- translate-the-odyssey-into-english.html?referer=https://news.ycombinator.com/)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Probably being accused of an incredible crime when I was a teenager.

Backstory: I'm nobodies favourite person. Especially in school; I was very poor, smelled like cigarrettes and quite awkward to be around in general, I don't blame anyone for any of the bullying but one thing affected me more than everything else. I don't want to go into detail about what rumour ended up burning my world down, but it was enough that the mere mention of it got me expelled and a police investigation was headed up against me.

Obviously, that investigation was fruitless as it was just rumours, however, it took nearly a year and I missed my GCSE exams (Without which you can't get a job essentially) by this point and there was no way another school would touch me.

Being accused like that, being treated like that, it broke me. I thought I was the lowest rung of society already, but how people acted after that rumour was spread, how even when I was proven innocent the police still had obvious disgust when looking at me. It taught me that no matter your circumstances it can be worse. People knew nothing of me but were glad to accept that I was a demon and they would not be dissuaded. It meant that preconceived notions are hard to sway and charisma and charm are the only currency that truly matter.

That arrest is still on my record and when I attempted to visit Canada recently it was flagged as a reason to deny me entry if I didn't submit proof that I was not convicted.

I am a different person today, being broken down like that meant I had to reassemble myself into a person I wanted to be. Being cast aside meant I lost my roots and could go anywhere (well, not Canada :P), learn anything, be anyone.

I invented myself out of that, to the person I would prefer to be.

</comment><comment><USER19> Prayer. Though I can't claim to be some rock star prayer monk.

When I was young, I had a routine that on the bus ride to school I would read a chapter of the Bible then "pray"\--which amounted to jotting down notes in a journal. My prayer had three sections. In the first section I would reflect on the previous day and list any wrongs I had committed. This could be as big as lying to evade punishment or as small as procrastination of a task or envying another person's accomplishments. In the second section I made a list of things for which I was thankful. In the last section I jotted down positive intentions for myself and others. Stuff like, "help me be more humble" or "please comfort Sarah during her parents' divorce," etc.

Then the bus would pull into the school lot and I would start my day.

I found this sort of self-reflection immensely formative. In the bustle of everyday life, it is easy to lose context of yourself and how you fit into the world around you. It was helpful that every day I was reflecting on the great many blessings I had, my own inadequacies and needs, and the needs of others. I suspect it made me more likely to apologize to a friend for something snide I said the other day. And more likely to go out of my way to do something nice for an acquaintance that was having a hard time. Perhaps this is partially my own personality, but I was also rather content with my life at all stages, even during rough times. Cultivating an attitude of thankfulness probably contributed to that contentment.

When I turned sixteen and started driving to school, my prayer routine went out the window. It never quite resumed the consistency of those early years. More recently I've started attending morning prayer at the local parish.

</comment><comment><USER20> About ten years ago, after my grandmother died, I got really into Robert Anton Wilson. That sort of set the trajectory for the rest of my life.

While I think RAW was wrong about a lot of things, the meta-lesson of erring on the side of agnosis -- trusting that, when the world doesn't behave in line with your expectations (and often even when it does) it's because of unknown unknowns, and that the world is stranger and more complex than any of us can imagine -- has helped me a lot. It's helped me rein in my control-freak nature, deal in healthier ways with unexpected events, and get rid of some of my ego-based fixations on particular mental models that don't survive collision with reality.

<comment><USER21> I can't agree more with this. Robert Anton Wilson's books are extremely readable, entertaining, and will definitely help you see a new perspective. For programmers and tech people I'd recommend RAW above Godel, Escher, Bach, for example. One of his many intriguing ideas, borrowed from Alfred Korzybski, is that "The Map is Not the Territory". Always know that whatever map or idea you have is only ever, at best, a fragmentary and limited version of whatever in the objective world it's meant to represent. Kudos.

<comment><USER22> Hm I've never heard of RAW, but I will check out his work based on this thread. From what I see here, if you like his ideas, you might also like the books of Nassim Taleb (Black Swan, etc.) He has a style that rubs some people the wrong way, but I believe his ideas are the kind that can "change your life".

I have been a bit obsessed with the idea that "the map is not the territory". I think it's because I grew up with some strong mental models that turned out not to be true.

I used Google and found that I mentioned it at least 3 times on HN, going back years:

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15866856](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15866856) \-- Programmers should learn a little philosophy

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7074831](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7074831) \-- With regard to Taleb, "I share Taleb's problem with models". I compare him to Nate Silver. I liked Silver's book very much at the time, and saw a lot of parallels in "learning about the world". (But I have since become disappointed with Silver.)

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7913435](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7913435) \-- Static typing doesn't prevent the important bugs. Static types are a map; they're not the territory -- which is runtime behavior, interaction with the end user, interaction with the world.

I still have this rant a brewing: you cannot learn ANYTHING about the world if you don't actually run your program! Of course, most people who use static types do run their programs. But it's not a strawman; there's an extreme solipsistic school of "modeling with types" where programmers try not to run their programs and instead rely on the compiler. I suppose this may be effective for some very limited kinds of software with small interfaces to "the world" (which includes hardware), but IMO it's the wrong default. You can't learn anything about hardware without running your program, let alone end users!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> Dropping out of law school. Up until that point, my life was heading smoothly in a pre-established, perfectly reasonable, albeit somewhat boring direction. I was doing everything "right" and thus my future was bright.

But things went south quickly after my first semester of law school. I realized how little I had actually examined what I wanted out of life. I started questioning more, resisting more. I got severely depressed. I slogged through spring of 1L and a summer internship, and then I just never went back for 2L.

This was the first moment I exercised real autonomy. It spurred an enormous period of growth and reflection, that I'm still in today (and believe will never end, really).

</comment><comment><USER24> Marriage, parenting, bankruptcy & then learning proper financial management from Dave Ramsey, almost getting a divorce and then going to marriage counseling, OA & other 12 step groups, reading the entire Bible, leaning into hobbies (like learning electronics, learning guitar), home ownership.

Whew.

Wow. I'm surprised I'm still alive!

</comment><comment><USER25> Not 100% convinced about it, but I wanted to say: that I stopped smoking pot.

Told myself well in advance that I'd quit 11 months in to my girlfriend's pregnancy (EDIT - obviously the residual effects are still there. I quit 8 months in to her pregnancy. This is what drugs do, kids.)

Since then (now almost a year later) my ability to comprehend and concentrate on technical things has improved a lot. I've learn things in web development that I just couldn't back then. Probably due to the fact I was a daily smoker for almost 20 years.

<comment><USER26> I gotta disagree with you here. I smoke a little bit every day and I've gone through periods of a month or two without smoking and the only difference I found was that it was easier to get up in the morning if I didn't smoke the day before. My cognitive abilities don't seem to be impaired at all. It's possible that smoking pot for you was associated with other lifestyle affects (like sleep quality/duration) that were negatively affecting your cognitive efficiency.

<comment><USER27> > My cognitive abilities don't seem to be impaired at all.

do you use some sort of external metrics to verify that?

using the same brain for smoking pot and determining that smoking pot causes no impairment isn't exactly a well-designed experiment.

<comment><USER26> I never claimed to be conducting an experiment. This whole thread is opinion- based, so I'm not sure why you are holding me to any kind of scientific standard.

I was simply asserting that I could perceive no difference in my abilities between times that I smoked and the periods of time where I didn't. At least not enough where I could make a statement similar to the OP where he detected a significant improvement in cognitive functioning after quitting.

<comment><USER28> No, but you did essentially shoot down someone else's statement about what led to their growth. You can't have it both ways. You can't shoot them down and assert they are wrong because your experience disagrees with it, then say _it is all just opinion, man._ Either respect their opinion about their own life experience or defend your assertion that they are wrong with something stronger than personal opinion.

<comment><USER26> I take your point. I did not intend to shoot them down or suggest that his personal growth was imaginary.

However, I think you missed the main point of my post, which was to suggest that perhaps there was a comorbid reason for his perceived cognitive deficiencies that were not a direct result of marijuana, but related to known side effects, such as REM sleep disruption.

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4660250/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4660250/)

<comment><USER14> How do you mitigate the effects of marijuana on REM? I (mostly) quit even light drinking because I need a good nights sleep to function.

I don't smoke much anymore, but more because I don't feel like I have a safe place to kick back and smoke than anything else. When I do smoke I feel tired the next day.

<comment><USER29> Vaporize. Smoking is bad for you, and dehydrates you.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> Not too long ago, I read a piece indicating that growth is held back by our strengths, not our weaknesses. I have consistently been willing to abandon my strengths and put myself in situations outside my comfort zone. This has been a tremendous source of personal growth.

For example, I lived in the same house from age 3 to adulthood. I graduated high school with some of the same people I had gone to kindergarten with. I couldn't go anywhere in town without running into people I knew.

Then I became a military spouse and moved elsewhere. I knew no one and the town was utterly unfamiliar and nothing worked like I thought it would.

Such experiences cast a lot of light on unstated assumptions, why what works for one person may not work for another, etc.

<comment><AUTHOR> > Not too long ago, I read a piece indicating that growth is held back by our > strengths, not our weaknesses.

Can you share us that article?

<comment><USER28> [https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais- principle-...](https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or- the-office-according-to-the-office/)

Specifically this section:

[https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/04/14/the-gervais- principle-...](https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/04/14/the-gervais-principle- iii-the-curse-of-development/)

 _Your development is arrested by your strengths, not your weaknesses.

Arrested-development behavior is caused by a strength-based addiction_

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> I think sticking to things I start has contributed the most personal growth for me. I think for anything to have any effect on you, you have to stick with it for at least 6 months or more (though it definitely depends on each activity).

In the last 2 years I have been able to lose 8kgs, increase my business, cure my chronic backache and become a lot happier using this one trick of sticking to things daily without fail.

One thing that has helped me tremendously to keep at it daily is a simple Google Sheet in which I put my progress daily and it gives me a "X days streak" using a formula (let me know if you want the template). After a month when I have a 30 day streak it makes me more and more committed to follow through and I rarely break my streaks.

P.S. The only thing which this never worked is sleeping at 10 <strike>a.m</strike>p.m. Can't even get a 2 day streak. I guess nothing works for that :D

<comment><USER31> I love the "Streaks" mobile app for daily habit tracking. It's simple and clean.

<comment><USER9> Also check out [https://helix.startuplab.io](https://helix.startuplab.io)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> Burning out and quitting my job with no plan.

Through word of mouth / networking I got a few consulting gigs and things snowballed and I've been doing that for 18 years.

When dealing with short-term clients you learn how to swallow your ego and get things things.

While I can guide/direct on the best approach or technology, the final decision isn't always mine, and I morph to the demands of the person signing my checks.

Also learned a lot about communication, marketing, negotiations, finance, legal, and sales.

<comment><USER33> This! Except without the burn out, and I'd move "sales" from last to first.

Looking back, being more involved in B2B sales (aka straight on the battle lines) has been absolutely instrumental for my growth.

There's this stereotype (true for me) that us techies need to get better at listening to people, spotting and reconciling conflicting interests, motives and objections. Finding common grounds. An increase in empathy, balanced by a scary loss of ego. Do words like "business value" and "process" sound like pointy-haired mumbo-jumbo? They did to me, a decade ago.

There's nothing like your livelihood on the line to give self-improvement a little urgency.

<comment><USER34> I want to try this sometime (working in sales) for the same reason

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER35> Most of my growth has been emotional.

When I moved out from my parents place, I was pretty emotionally stunted, equivalent to a 13 year old. I was repeating the cycle of violence that I had experienced at home, displaying anger in the same abusive ways that I had known. At the same time, I was on the receiving end of a physically abusive relationship; not liking it, but not thinking I could do anything. It was just a continuation. I had pretty awful views on women and minorities as well, despite thinking of myself as progressive.

I wish I could say that I realized this and worked on it. I didn't. It took my ex-boyfriend to stand up to me. It took us seeking couple's therapy together. Only then did I start to open my eyes, and pro-actively work on my own shit. I've seen multiple therapists since. I've recognized how past trauma lives in my everyday, and how to manage it. I've grown tremendously and past what my parents will ever be capable of.

So what influenced my personal growth the most? That boyfriend who said no, what you're doing is wrong, and I won't let you do it. And the many times he had to say it to make it stick.

</comment><comment><USER36> Freemasonry, which I'd describe as a sort of meta-framework for living a good, ethical and worthwhile life.

Freemasonry among many other aspects can serve as constant reminder to behave ethically and make the most of your life.

It also allows to get to know people from all walks of life and backgrounds that otherwise you probably wouldn't have met. Apart from being a great way to discover novel ideas and broaden your horizon this also helps with becoming more tolerant towards others who don't share your background or points of view.

Although the question implies just one thing I'd also mention having worked as a paramedic for some time.

<comment><USER14> What is being a freemason like?

<comment><USER36> There are perhaps as many specific answers to this question as there are freemasons.

In a nutshell, being a freemason is about trying to become a better person as well as trying to help others to do so as well.

Lodges usually meet once a week. Lodge meetings typically consist of open discussions (excluding arguments about party politics and religion), someone giving a talk or merely brothers sharing things they might find noteworthy or interesting to the others.

About once a month there's a special meeting where the Masonic ritual takes place. This ritual basically is part allegorical play, part lecture and also includes elements of meditation and contemplation as well as music.

Being a freemason also means being part of worldwide community and therefore being able to visit fellow brothers in virtually any somewhat larger city (and many of the smaller ones, too) in the world.

<comment><USER14> Sounds really cool! Thanks for explaining!

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER37> As a kid / young teenager - Star Trek, particularly The Next Generation. The hopeful, utopian world valuing high moral standards, teamwork and competency, the world that assumed organizations are good and efficient unless proven otherwise - this world colored my worldview and still determines the kind of world I'd like to see, and hence what I want to build towards.

As a young adult - LessWrong Sequences. A lot of the topics covered were something I was thinking about myself, so I kind of got halfway to the same answers independently, but beyond that, they helped me clarify and sharpen my thinking about the world.

Beyond that, I had lots of smaller influences. "Getting Things Done" shaped my thinking about productivity. Writings of Joel Spolsky and Paul Graham made me discover Lisp and Emacs, which subsequently reshaped a lot about how I approach programming. Helping set up and then run a Hackerspace taught me much about interacting with (and trying to coordinate) a group of smart and skilled people. And then HN contributed a lot to broadening my worldview too.

</comment><comment><USER38> I'd have to say my significant other. Before we met I was working at a car wash, selling weed, and barely passing my classes. She inspired me to be the best I can be and pushed me out of my comfort zone. Since we met, I got A's in every class afterwards, built an app that got me a job at a software company, and now I'm working a job a love at one of the best companies in the industry with a career I find satisfying.

I attribute a lot of my success to her, although I do know I put in a lot of the work. I just needed some guidance and motivation and she helped me find it.

<comment><USER39> That's sweet and inspiring. We shouldn't overlook the importance of being loved by a person that believes in us, can provide just the right kind and quantity of push, and is truly happy when we're happy.

</comment></comment><comment><USER40> Getting hit by a car while riding my bicycle home from work. Spent my convalesence hanging out with my surgeon in clinic and the OR. Ended up going to medical school, doing research on prostate cancer, then my dad got prostate cancer while I was in residency, so it became impossible to not do the research. But to do the research, I had to stay in the good graces of the residency, which probably is what got me through residency.

Most of the events that influenced my personal growth seem to have been born from the silver lining of some unforeseeable catastrophe (9/11, Katrina, Rita, a near drowning, Fukushima). At this point, the list is getting quite long and I'm probably running out of reasons to not be dead. But whaddaya gonna do?

<comment><USER41> My goodness, were you personally involved in all those events? You seem to have 9 lives.

</comment></comment><comment><USER42> Street photography. This is a very relaxing activity, where your brain is at rest while observing the world and walking.

Good things that happened to me:

I travelled in all the region to diversify my pictures.

I bought the books of master photographs to learn their technics, so I can now "read" a picture.

And of course I watched a lot of photos on the internet to diversify my tastes.

Now that I have reached a level that I am proud of, I praise that hobby very much.

<comment><USER43> Would you mind sharing which books?

<comment><USER42> A few names come to mind:

Josef Koudelka, Henri Cartier Bresson, Greg Girard, Masahisa Fukase, Sergio Larrain, Jean Dieuzaide, Hiroshi Sugimoto, Brett Weston, Kourtney Roy, Franco Fontana.

Searching those names on Google is already a journey by itself.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER44> Epistemologically, the Internet: As a kid in rural Florida, it was the 3G usb modem that allowed me to use the internet at home. Hugely pivotal. I could browse Wikipedia, Hackaday, 4chan, etc when ever I wanted and I just started chugging.

Negative Socially: 2013, Getting wrongly charged of a crime, going to jail then having to fight it at 19. really altered my view on how just the world is. I was verifiably innocent and the ordeal was dragged out for six months. The terms of my bond made me lose thousands to drug tests and missed work, then the judge throws it out right before the trial. Still a little angry about it, but it really opened my mind to the idea of the social injustices the State can facilitate.

Positive Socially, careerwise: After that, being given the chance to run the local music store in my city. It was the Marching band and Orchestra sort. It really helped with social anxiety and learning to talk to people. Before that I would compulsively rehearse what I would say before I used the phone or approached someone. Dealing with people made me feel comfortable in my own skin.

Careerwise: At 22, I worked for one of the largest optical components and systems manufactures in the world assembling and testing lenses for the optics in one of Illuminas genomic DNA sequencers. Learned a lot about software, optics, manufacturing, Six sigma, Lean, corporate/ business stuff.

Career2.0: Starting a Startup. It's confounding, exhilarating, risky, and hard. The hardest thing I've done so far and I love every minute of it. I would shill it, but it doesn't face the public yet. I'm very proud.

It's been a journey, these are the moments I feel guided me to who I am.

</comment><comment><USER45> Luck.

I was going to reply with a personality trait, but let's be honest, 90%+ of every success story is plain luck.

<comment><USER46> But the question was about personal growth. Bad luck more usually triggers/catalyzes personal growth, doesn't it? Makes you think, reassess.. So maybe it's luck to have so much bad luck. (Read the stories of the wisest, greatest, most.. _personally-grown_ \- the most embiggened - they've had more than their share of bad luck.)

<comment><USER45> You're suffering from survivorship bias. When you think about "bad luck", you seem to be thinking about minor mishaps (along the lines of "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger"). However, consider the huge number of people which are literally killed by bad luck (along the lines of "being born in a poor country with ongoing civil war/without potable water/without enough food"). Or, less drastically, think about those who are born into relatively poor families, are thus never properly nurtured (because their parents are too busy earning money to feed them etc.) and fail to realize their potential.

For example, going back to the original question, one huge factor of my early personal growth was that I had relatively wealthy and caring parents who could afford to send me to a good school, to music lessons etc., and who pushed me to realize my potential. Being born to such parents is sheer luck. All the other important people that I met in my life, that's luck, too. (At least by Occam's Razor. I obviously cannot know how my life would've looked if I had taken a different path.)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER47> The end of a horrible relationship. I got so much more time to do things for myself.

</comment><comment><USER48> I did a lot of "naked* into the wilderness"-style survival training when I was younger. It showed me that I could reach what I thought were my absolute limits of physical and mental exhaustion, and then push _far_ past them. It changed me from someone who frequently gave up to someone who doesn't give up.

This school[1] is a good place to start (though I haven't been there since the 1990s). I highly recommend this kind of wilderness training.

[1] [https://www.boss-inc.com/](https://www.boss-inc.com/)

* not literally naked, but meaning that the goal is to remove the equipment-lifeline back to society. No gear is allowed except what you create yourself (stone knives, brain-tanned deer hide, etc.).

<comment><USER14> Thanks, this is really interesting to me.

<comment><USER48> If you have questions, feel free to send me a message. I went to a variety of "primitive wilderness skills" training programs over an 8-10 year period, but that one was the most field-based. My email address is on my profile.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER49> Living abroad for extended period(s) of time.

<comment><USER50> Can you elaborate? For pleasure or for work? How long?

<comment><USER49> My first experience was spending a year abroad in High School when I was 15. (Classical exchange program managed by one of the big non-profit orgs.) So I lived with a host family and was fully immersed in my host country's culture.

I kind of consider that experience the beginning of my conscious development of my own personality. Completely changing your point of view and starting off as an outsider in almost every situation (language barriers + cultural norms) really makes you reconsider so many details of things you always took for granted. I'd say you learn more about your own culture and country than about the host country. After that you will just naturally acknowledge that lots of things are arbitrary rather than god-given. This in turn I believe leads to the next step of realization that you can design and shape things rather than having to accept the status-quo as is.

After that I first got involved as a volunteer in my exchange organization, and later lived abroad two more times (in university and for work) while also naturally surrounding myself with people who had similar 'changes of perspective' in my social life. I find that those people are generally extremely curious, open, driven and generally inspiring.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER51> I'd have to say mostly sweets and cakes ;-)

</comment><comment><USER52> What influenced my personal growth the most? Becoming aware that there is no need to be anything special.

</comment><comment><USER53> Getting older, getting married, having kids, living in different parts of the country in different types of cities. Basically anything new gives you a broader perspective.

</comment><comment><USER54> A long, deep struggle with God. I've always been a believer, but often a half- hearted one. Fortunately, I've been put through many economic issue to learn my dependency is not on myself, or other, or money, but Yahweh and him alone.

I quit my job, moved to Florida to support my wife. I had 50k in the bank, so I figured I'd be fine. We bought an old house that we always wanted. It passed inspection.

Then we found out that the chimney's had to be rebuilt. 18k gone. Found out later that the company that rebuilt the chimney's scammed us. They're solid, but not properly fixed. That was crushing. I prayed and found comfort in the fact that this was part of God's plan to say that my money will come and go, but I needed to trust in him.

Saved up money over the course of the next year. 150k in the bank. Thought that I'd be fine. I can finally focus on my software.

Turns out that a lot of my self-image was wrapped up in being the expert for others. I needed to be the Tech Lead. I needed to hear how great the solutions I made were. Now I'm alone in a small office everyday. Depression set in.

I didn't get much accomplished during that time. Drank more. Ate terribly (fast food twice a day for a year). Gained weight. Wouldn't pray much.

Then we found out that the house was missing a sill beam (true 8"x8" bean that held up 7 feet of the 40ft tall wall). I could't get anyone to help. So here I am with money, but that won't do anything since no one wants to take it.

After all this I finally decided to surrender. I cut back drinking. I'm trying to go Keto. I read to my wife from the Bible every night. I finally learned to internalize the song I've known since my youth, Through It All, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouJ8JOzdjrc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouJ8JOzdjrc)

</comment><comment><USER55> Rowing for 3 years and rowing coaching for 2 years after that.

Turned a skinny geek into a less skinny geek with a girlfriend.

The skill of rowing is very well suited to geeks.

The confidence I generated from rowing stayed with me, for decades now.

Doesn't mean I'm that confident, but pretty much all the confidence I do have comes from that intense period.

</comment><comment><USER56> I would say role models. I've always enjoyed reading biographies and biographical information about people with various qualities I admire. I won't tell you which people, lest a dozen cynics seek to educate me about those people's unforgivable atrocities against humanity.

</comment><comment><USER57> Conversations with a very supportive close friend who was finishing school and starting the career that I wanted. That along with reading this site years ago.

After enough conversations I started to realize that I knew this stuff already, that my instincts were right and that I could make a career out of development. I had and sometimes continue to have pretty significant self- esteem issues that held/hold me back.

I was finally motivated out of earning a low wage and taking a big risk on switching careers. So after the first time taking risks and going after the hardest challenge I could find, I've repeated that process and it pays off every time.

I've doubled my income about three times since then, have grown up quite a bit and can finally say that I'm approaching a happy place in my life.

</comment><comment><USER58> Starting therapy. It's been amazing to help overcome anxiety that was holding me back for years.

</comment><comment><USER59> Leadership training. I always thought "leadership" was a nebulous concept that you achieved solely through experience. I later learned that there is an entire curriculum of exercises and reflections one can do to improve their desire and ability to step up.

<comment><USER60> Do you have recommendations or specifics?

<comment><USER59> Specifically I went through a rapid phase of personal development at the People's Action weeklong immersion training[1] (and am pursing becoming a trainer myself). Although of course this is non-tech related & there are likely other resources for this type of curriculum. Certainly worth seeking out.

[1]: [https://peoplesaction.org/institute/](https://peoplesaction.org/institute/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER61> Stoicism Philosophy

<comment><USER62> Could you elaborate a little?

</comment></comment><comment><USER63> The First and Last Freedom by Jiddu Krishnamurti

[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64710.The_First_and_Last...](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64710.The_First_and_Last_Freedom)

</comment><comment><USER64> Exercise, and books. To name a few (in no particular order):

"Choose Yourself" by James Altucher "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill "Mindset" by Carol Dweck "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie

</comment><comment><USER65> Working in "edge" roles. I've always been the "digital" expert in teams I've worked in, and doing so has meant I've been partly responsible for building up organisational knowledge on all kinds of things that (as far as the org is concerned) have never existed before.

Now that "digital" is baked into most marketeer's roles, I'm looking for the next frontier to build across. Probably AR or machine learning.

My personal remit has always been to make myself redundant, it's always pushed me to explore the novel and build out the next set of skills to make myself relevant when my current "edge" becomes the norm.

</comment><comment><USER66> In 2017, I starting going to therapy to deal with depression and anxiety. I also started working out at a local gym and lost 35 pounds. I'm able to cope with my depression and anxiety much better.

</comment><comment><USER67> Knowing about the Conspicupus Signalling Theory (Geoffrey Miller's book). Understanding how flirting really works with Dan Bacon's The Flow. Meditation and going beyond materialism by experiencing many lucid OBEs. Jordan Peterson in general and self authoring in special. Understanding how poisonus Postmodernism is (Stephen Hicks book). Understanding how the Cultural War works (a global issue). Becoming a socratic method aficionado. Having a financially independent friend to become my financial mentor.

</comment><comment><USER68> Coming out.

Before doing so, I closed myself off from all manner of emotion, creativity, and honesty. I tried to be invisible. I closed myself off from people. I lived in my own mind. Being closeted led me to compensate by leading a double life that hurt a lot of people.

But now it's different. I am now doing my best work, I am exploring new things to try and learn, and I have many wonderful relationships that makes me happy to be alive. For the first time, I really feel like I'm living life.

</comment><comment><USER69> A string of good mentors at companies where this was a valued activity. (Though it left me wholly unprepared at places where that's not the norm)

</comment><comment><USER70> Probably breaking up with my 5yr girlfriend at ~26

<comment><USER71> It resonates with me. I thought I knew what is love and I was doing it alright, I was wrong. It changed my understanding of relationship. Looking back I really appreciate it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER72> An open mind.

I have many personal growth experiences, all of them candidates to be the most influential. Perhaps each was most influential at the time of the experience.

But there was one thing common to all of those experiences, having an open mind. With maybe a little discernment. One can say "No" and still maintain an open mind, if the "No" is more of a "not right now".

</comment><comment><USER73> Several years working freelance. Gave me the freedom to arrange my schedule to allow time for thought and introspection.

<comment><USER74> Amazing

<comment><USER73> Is that sarcasm?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER75> A growth mindset. Knowing that it's possible for me to grow and be better if I applied myself.

</comment><comment><USER76> Divorce, second breakup from a BPD person, meditation, tantra, yoga and ultra running. There are moments in ultra running and tantra that transcend everything, a glimpse of enlightenment and the simplicity of life that make you get through anything life throws at you.

</comment><comment><USER77> Just looking around me, friends, colleagues, neighbors, etc. see how I could do better. It sounds pretty bad but the people around me influence my personal growth. I love to push boundaries and explore things that haven't been explored yet.

</comment><comment><USER78> Practicing meditation and giving all my effort for an achievement I thought was unreachable.

Before I learned how to meditate, I thought of everything logically and incorrectly applied that to relationships as well. I found it incredibly hard to understand other people, their motivations, and why they acted certain ways. I wondered why so many of my relationships failed out of no where and why it was so hard to connect with other people. After I observed my background processes with the help of meditation, I realized that people act primarily out of emotion, not logic.

This is where I made leaps in emotional growth. I realized that I had many emotional processes running in the background, like daemons of an operating system. The majority of these processes were subconscious and unaware to me, yet they were impacting every decision I've ever made! Subconscious sensations of fear, sadness, and anger that were influencing my conscious mind. Before someone even considers the logic of a question, they've already made an emotional answer. I could write a book on this, but Thinking, Fast & Slow by Daniel Kahneman explains this so much better. Once I realized this and confronted my inner demons, the behavior of other people was much more manageable.

Reaching an achievement that I thought was unreachable was life changing as well. On my final semester of college, I had a senior project that was out of my skill level, but it was required for my degree. Without any background in development, I had to develop a web application for a customer, with an entire LAMP stack behind it. I came from a Windows background so I had to learn Linux administration as well as 3 new programming languages within 2 months. I worked extremely hard on it, but did not receive any input from the customer. The due date rolled around and the project inevitably did not meet the his expectations, so he pleaded with the professor to fail me so I would have to retake the class (and he would get more free labor). Despite all that work, the professor gave me a big fat F and I was unable to graduate. The night I got that email I felt so crushed and defeated, I couldn't sleep and developed a stomach ulcer.

But I didn't give up. I petitioned for a grade revision, I had no other choice. I made an 8-page report explaining that I completed everything the customer agreed to in the project proposal. I presented it to the department head, but he said there was no case. I presented it to the grading committee, and to my luck, they accepted my case. They gave me a second chance to complete a revision of the project and I would receive a passing grade in return. The only problem was that the customer was asking for a task that was not possible with the application and I had 2 weeks, Christmas vacation. Despite that I was determined. I developed an extension for the application that accomplished his goal. After turning that project in, the professor awarded me an A in the class, I got my degree cum laude, and I realized the limits I can push my mind and body. Anything you want in life can be achieved, despite the obstacles, you just need to spend enough time and effort on it.

</comment><comment><USER79> Being able to detach myself from all and everyone at will since I was a kid has been a blessing in disguise in terms of personal growth but it earned me soon a mr Spock kind of reputation ehehe.

</comment><comment><USER80> Without an inkling of doubt, Richard W. Hamming lectures and the book based on them "The Art of Doing Science and Engineering, Learning to Learn". Nothing has had a greater impact on me.

</comment><comment><USER81> Some guy on a forum running circles around a group of us doing some golf/puzzle programming in Haskell. Made me realize how much I had to learn, got me into functional programming.

</comment><comment><USER82> \- Reading (especially, Inner Engineering by JV)

\- Listening (Farnam Street/Knowledge Project podcast)

\- Speaking with the many smart folks I meet at work/school/meetups.

\- Realizing how little I know.

</comment><comment><USER74> Realize that what i least liked about me was me a part of me I was that person- it gave me the leeway to appreciate my humanity to put myself in your shoes

</comment><comment><USER83> Scepticism.

<comment><USER84> I very much doubt that.

<comment><USER83> I doubt that you doubt it.

<comment><USER21> I think all three of you are wrong.

<comment><USER46> PYRRHONISM, n. An ancient philosophy, named for its inventor. It consisted of an absolute disbelief in everything but Pyrrhonism. Its modern professors have added that. – Ambrose Bierce, _Devil's Dictionary_

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER85> After having my first child and deciding I want my kids (and to a lesser extent me) to be proud of what I've done with my life.

</comment><comment><USER86> Meditation

</comment><comment><USER87> Meditation, continuous learning by doing and listening to quality people and creative endeavors.

</comment><comment><USER88> Ten minutes of meditation done daily. The benefits compound exponentially over time.

</comment><comment><USER89> I started writing myself weekly letters. I would, in narrative form: tell myself what I really enjoyed; what was stressful; and what didn't work out. I came up with a list of affirmations and things to keep in mind for the coming week. I would treat the suggestions I came up with as "sudo me" and put in extra effort to abide by them.

Over the course of several months, this weekly process got me into a trajectory of positive self-improvement. I went vegan, started exercising regularly, began drinking tons of water every morning, started daily meditation, and put in place several behavioral controls around going out late at night.

The process was so successful, that I began doing something similar at the beginning of every month. I would lay out high level goals for the month, and list the major events I needed to prepare for. I would go over my overall level of happiness the previous month and identify trends from the weekly letters and come up with powerful ultimatums for the coming month.

The process worked so well, that when 2018 started, I spent 2 weeks going over the month-letters of the previous months and worked on distilling high-level intentions and affirmations for the coming year.

The biggest changes that have come out of this process are my focus on meditation and how I care for my body and mind. Through this process, I've identified my weaknesses in communication and self-care and flooded myself with resources and lectures to help me develop those skills.

Through this process, I've taken courses on REBT, NLP, NVC, and Public Speaking. I've focused on my written and verbal communication skills. It's now infinitely easier to speak to my co-workers, friends, partner and family. I'm not rushing around before events. I almost never feel stressed out, because I've went through taking-care of myself in advance.

TL;DR; Treating myself like a team has opened up a new way to pour energy into my personal growth.

Here's a list of the resources that have helped me grow in the last few months.

\- _World Peace Diet_ by Will Tuttle

\- _The Artist's Way_ by Julia Cameron

\- Non Violent Communication ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuPCAh9FCc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuPCAh9FCc))

\- All of Shani Raja's courses on writing

      - Punctuation mastery

      - Secret sauce of great writing

      - Writing like a ninja

\- Julian Treasure's courses on listening and speaking

\- REBT by Libby Sery on Udemy

\- Alinksky's _Rules for Radicals_

\- Insight Timer

      - Meditations by Sarah Blondin

Edits: Punctuation, Resources

</comment><comment><USER90> Luck

</comment><comment><USER39> Repeatedly taking jobs outside of my "core competency".

Perspective taking.

</comment><comment><USER91>
      - self learning
      - people that pushed me to do new stuff

</comment><comment><USER92> Praying for success, running out of money, and becoming homeless.

</comment><comment><USER93> track all my habits. It allowed me to become aware of all the important habits I'm doing in a day, to see the historical data and to select ones and discard others.

</comment><comment><USER94> 4 months of mandatory training in the Portuguese Army.

</comment><comment><USER95> the books I read, the TED talks I watched and the people I met!

</comment><comment><USER96> The internet.

</comment><comment><USER97> Side projects</comment>


The different reasons for company code contributions - <AUTHOR> http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=293

<comment><USER2> It's too bad that sensationalist headlined stories get so much more attention than the mundanely headlined stories like this, which have great content.</comment>


Identifying the source of perytons at the Parkes radio telescope - <AUTHOR> http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.02165 <comment><USER2> Somewhere, in a cold and desolate corner of the world, there is a security shack where the impatient security guard pulls open the door of the dilapidated microwave to get his coffee that much sooner, and researchers at a radio telescope jump at the notion of extra-galactic radio signals.

This was some great detective work, of course one always needs to check if you're getting events that occur more frequently during working hours.

<comment><USER3> As a radio and electronics hobbyist, what's most impressive to me is the sensitivity of our scientific instruments. Fascinating!

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> The oven guys selected 2.4 GHz because of water's inherent properties at that frequency.

Not to make light of it, but any ET would have made the same choice for his oven.

<comment><USER5> That's incorrect. The resonant frequency of water is in the THz range. The selection of 2.4 GHz is due to frequency allocation. The Industrial, Science and Medical (ISM) band is centered on 2.45 GHz. There are also microwave ovens that operate on the next ISM band down in frequency, 915 MHz.

<comment><USER6> There's not _THE_ resonant frequency of water, there are a lot of them, in different regions of the spectrum, and with different widths, all caused by different mechanism by which water-molecules can interact with electromagnetic waves.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_w...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water)

And the one responsible for absorption in the ~1GHz region isn't even related to any resonance whatsoever, as it's caused by rearrangements of the unordered electrostatic bindings between the polarized water molecules.

There's even more detail at: [http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/microwave_water.html](http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/microwave_water.html)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Hot pockets! There's just something about these kinds of investigations that really absorb me. For all the other things going on in the world, I'm glad there seem to be many people interested in this kind of work.

</comment><comment><USER7> I'm just gonna make some popcorn and watch...</comment>


Growth Hacking for Remote and International Developers – Part 2 - <AUTHOR> https://mobycast.fm/episode/growth-hacking-for-remote-and-international-developers-part-2/ <comment><AUTHOR> In part 2 we get more into the specifics of how we leveled-up our team at Kelsus.</comment>


Google Finance killed my weekend project - <AUTHOR> http://kburke.org/kevin/google-finance-killed-my-weekend-project/

<comment><USER2> They've had this feature for years, IIRC.

<comment><AUTHOR> For individual stocks yeah but not for the whole portfolio - see the 'product ideas' vote category here: [http://productideas.appspot.com/#15/e=23f4c4&t=257f3b](http://productideas.appspot.com/#15/e=23f4c4&t=257f3b). You've increased the amount of doubt I have for my recent memory, however.</comment></comment>


The YouTube Masthead Is Coming to the TV Screen - <AUTHOR> https://www.blog.google/products/ads/masthead-on-tv-screens/ <comment><USER2> Oh, so that's what happened. This started last week for me and it is far from a "masthead". It takes up 80% of my home screen on my LG WebOS TV. It's more equivalent to the whole upper fold of the first page of a news paper being a giant advertisement. When I see a brand in that "masthead" it definitely creates a negative association for me.</comment>


Show HN: Custom Nginx Indexer - <AUTHOR> http://blog.gotux.net/tutorial/custom-nginx-indexer/ <comment><USER2> [http://larsjung.de/h5ai/](http://larsjung.de/h5ai/) h5ai makes browsing directories on HTTP web servers more pleasant. Directory listings get styled in a modern way and browsing through the directories is enhanced by different views, a breadcrumb and a tree overview.

<comment><AUTHOR> The whole point of this nginx indexer is that it uses "HttpAdditionModule" and HTML/CSS no other javascript ;-) This makes it very secure, because you don't even need php for this to work. Good addition to staticly generated blogs.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Please drop the font-size property on _a_ elements to line up the columns.

<comment><AUTHOR> I'll fix this in v1.1 :-) Thank You!

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Looks nice, though I feel keeping the right 2 columns at a fixed position would make things easier to read.

<comment><AUTHOR> Fixed! You can remove "font-size: 120%;" in .nginx.style.css on line #330 or download new diridx.tgz

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> You can also add a gallery in jquery :) I did it with apache, and nginx [https://github.com/jul/prettyAutoIndex](https://github.com/jul/prettyAutoIndex)

I did not published nginx version though

<comment><USER6> Will this work with an s3 bucket?

I'm looking for a personal, static gallery to put on top of a bucket of all my photos.

<comment><AUTHOR> If you have Nginx+HttpAdditionModule installed I don't see why not.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I did something similar recently for an S3 bucket: [https://github.com/PatrickStankard/bucketlist](https://github.com/PatrickStankard/bucketlist)

<comment><AUTHOR> I see exception warning on line #6 when javascript disabled.

<comment><USER7> That makes sense, it depends on JavaScript :)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Very nice, the fact that only requires an nginx module (which I didn't know existed) is a big plus in my book. I will definitely be using this.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> If anyone makes new stylesheets for this, please share. I'll add a link to it.</comment>


What I learned by living without artificial light - happy-go-lucky http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180424-what-i-learnt-by-living-without-artificial-light <comment><AUTHOR> I've done a lot of research on sleep and sleep disorders, and have experimented on myself a few different times. Things I've found that help the most:

Number one, far and away, is arranging my schedule such that I don't have to set an alarm clock. I did this once in college when I was able to get only late classes, and I do it now since I work for myself (although the kids sometimes wake me up). Any time I can go for a week or more without setting any alarm clock, I feel far more refreshed throughout the day.

Number two, no blue light at night. I went a little nuts with this one, not only getting flux, but I work in the dark at night with the brightness on the monitor at the lowest setting with a blue filter, and I also replaced all the night lights in my house with special night lights that run at 1850K (candlelight). I also installed a second light in bathroom with it's own switch and installed an 1850K LED bulb in it so that I could do my nighttime routine in "candlelight". Basically, after the kids are down, there is no source of blue light anywhere in my house.

These two things seem to have made the most difference. I've done other experiments with temperature control, sleeping position, bedroom darkness, etc. They all seem to make some difference as well, but not nearly as much as those first two things.

<comment><USER2> What method would you recommend for a sleep schedule reset? I'm currently trying to move my fall asleep time from 4AM to 10PM.

<comment><USER3> Try taking lowest dose melatonin like 5 hours before your bedtime, in addition to minimizing brightness and color temp of light sources. Don't worry if you wake up in the night for a while; read a paper book.

<comment><USER4> > Don't worry if you wake up in the night for a while

This is very good advice. I'm sure it varies from person to person, but anecdotally it seems to be completely natural to have a mid-sleep period of wakefulness (for a bathroom trip if nothing else).

If you start _worrying_ that it will lower the overall quality of your sleep, it definitely will. But if you just go with it, lie still, at most read a book, you will get sleepy again in short order and continue your rest. In fact, personally I (paradoxically) seem to feel _more_ rested on the nights that I had a more noticeable/awake mid-sleep hiatus (and without spending extra time asleep).

YMMV, of course; the point is not to let a completely benign occurrence turn into tossing and turning and watching the clock because you're anxious about getting enough sleep.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Body of story does not match title of story here or the BBC. It's "what I learned kind-of minimising artificial light at night, but not actually complete because I used redshifted apps and a lot of ... Well.. artificial, cold cathode and LED light. And anyway it's darkish outside so anecdote but also S.A.D. is a thing."

I think the story premise is great. The execution leaves a lot to be desired.

I'm trying not to feed the snark. But, really, I think they could have gone harder for a better story. Kids makes it hard.

<comment><USER6> Yeah, the headline is just a lie.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> I hiked the Pacific Crest Trail this summer and spent 4 months sleeping outside. My body very quickly adjusted to sleeping when the sun went down and waking up when the sun came up.

Lots of thru-hikers experience a post hike depression, myself included, but I always thought it was mostly about being back in the real world with real responsibilities. Maybe it has to do with light?

I did notice that when I was in a town staying in a hotel I would always stay up much later than I did when I was on the trail.

<comment><USER8> 4 months on PCT?

Where did you start and end?

Looking to do PCT in a few years. Do you have it documented somewhere?

Thanks.

<comment><USER7> I started at the Mexican Border and finished at the Canadian border.

[http://pct.adventuresnotvacations.com](http://pct.adventuresnotvacations.com)

<comment><USER8> Yeah. Found your blog and your Instagram.

Looks like a great trip.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Does anyone know how effective "computer with flux/nightlight/etc" is compared to "no computer at all, write stuff by candlelight on paper"? Is flux/nightlight getting me most of the way (assuming no super blue/white lights in the house), or is it hardly getting me started?

I bet this has been studied but I don't know where to look.

<comment><USER10> I don't know that, although I once tried hard to google it. What I do know, though, is that for me these orange-tinted blue-light-blocking safety glasses (which I learned about from somebody else on this very forum discussing this exact topic a few years ago) work way better than any screen-modifying software I have tried.

[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000USRG90/ref=oh_aui_sear...](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000USRG90/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

They look a bit silly but if you are just at home, who cares...

(I no longer use them, because in the intervening years I produced three young children, so I am now exhausted at all times and can fall asleep instantly whenever the opportunity presents itself. However, I still do use Night Shift / Night Mode / f.lux / Windows Blue Light Filter on all my phones and computers, because I came to strongly prefer it after getting used to it, even in absence of sleep issues.)

<comment><USER11> Random tangent, but that last statement about having 3 kids and instantly falling asleep whenever the opportunity presents itself rings really true for me. I had major sleep problems until i had 3 kids. 4 years of 2 new borns + heavy callout. Took about 3 years to recover from that but i'd fall asleep anywhere i sat still long enough. Glad thats all behind me, i hope you're getting some good sleep.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> I find that when I am in rural areas, I sleep like a rock.

I think it has as much to do with sound as light. But certainly good light exposure during the day, a dark, quiet sleeping environment, and a routine schedule make an incredibly significant impact in me (someone who has normally struggled with insomnia)

<comment><USER13> >I find that when I am in rural areas, I sleep like a rock. >I think it has as much to do with sound as light.

You are an exception I believe (if you normally live in the city), I live in the country and I am used to it (and conversely I have sometimes some issues when sleeping in a city, mainly due to traffic noise, but not only) but when some friends come and stay, often they are disturbed by the thousand little noises of animals, birds, etc., particularly in the early morning in spring when the birds start singing around 5 A.M.

<comment><USER12> Grew up in the country, and I sleep with earplugs in to boot. City noises punch right through them, amazingly enough, traffic rocks the foundation of my house enough there's no escape.

Planning the purchase of somewhere peaceful and remote as we speak.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I use this [https://justgetflux.com/](https://justgetflux.com/) everywhere and helps lot to sleep even if you get exposed to screens. I am not sure about Kindle before sleep. It has some bright light however it is better than reading book in lamp light. Candles are good but should not be used for long as smoke starts to build up. I would like to know other views.

<comment><USER15> Windows, MacOS, iOS and I believe now Android have it built in, it can help but it's not that great if you'll be using your screen till bed time.

White point adjustment doesn't actually reduces the amount of blue light by that much it's really due to how LCD screens and their color filters work, some monitors a have built in function to turn on a blue light filter which can also be used in conjunction with white point adjustment e.g Flux which does help it reduce it further.

Which is why I stop all screen use 45min before bed time, more would be too much of a burden for me and less wouldn't be effective but you should experiment with what works for you.

I also found that watching my OLED TV has considerably smaller effect on me than my computer screens or phone if I use them just before bed. I don't know if this is due to the nature of the screen since it doesn't use backlight hence less blue light or is it just due to the fact that the perceived brightness is lower due to the watching distance.

<comment><USER16> I find that popping on some orange safety glasses an hour before I want to sleep helps much more than flux, partly because you don't have to worry about other sources of blue light, like bulbs: [https://www.amazon.com/Uvex- Blocking-Computer-SCT-Orange-S19...](https://www.amazon.com/Uvex-Blocking- Computer-SCT-Orange-S1933X/dp/B000USRG90)

Top rated by Consumer Reports vs other blue light blocking glasses, they block nearly 100% of blue light. You can literally not tell that blue LEDs are on, for example, even when toggling them and off.

<comment><USER4> Those look awfully uncomfortable, but it's a very interesting idea.

<comment><USER16> They're actually not bad comfortwise - they're very adjustable, far more so than most glasses.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> It strikes me as imbalanced to do away with artificial light at night, but to then do nothing about artificial darkness during the day: She spent most of the experiment indoors, working in an office.

</comment><comment><USER18> I think I'm wired up back to front. I sleep very well. My problem is daylight! It drains me and I can't wait for the evening. At night I find it easy to be alert and when I've adopted a nocturnal schedule, I've been happier and more productive. I've just shut the blinds and turned off the lights in the office to get some work done..(!)

</comment><comment><USER19> Bad research!

> Pre-industrial societies such as the Hadza tribe in Tanzania also seem to > have a far lower prevalence of sleep problems, like insomnia. "When we asked > members of the Hadza whether they thought their sleep was good, they almost > universally said 'yes, it's totally fine'. That statistically doesn't match > up with what we see in the West," says David Samson, an anthropologist at > the University of Toronto in Mississauga, who has studied them.

This is what they actually found from that Tribe and a second one. They actually got less sleep then people do living with artificial lights.

> The team asked 94 people from these groups to wear Actiwatch-2 devices, > which automatically recorded their activity and ambient-light levels. The > data revealed that these groups all sleep for nightly blocks of 6.9 and 8.5 > hours, and they spend at least 5.7 to 7.1 hours of those soundly asleep. > That's no more than what Westerners who have worn the same watches get; if > anything, it's slightly less. > [https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the- > many...](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-many-myths- > of-paleo-sleeping/410707/)

UCLA study - [http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/our-ancestors-probably- did...](http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/our-ancestors-probably-didnt- get-8-hours-a-night-either)

This was talking about the idea that we naturally sleep a little and wake for a few hours and then go back to sleep as some normal human sleep pattern. The idea is still the same we sleep about the same in modern times. I have had to read a lot of ancient documents and in those documents they talk a lot about bad sleep medicine. If they sleep so well why do we have so many sleep fixes in those documents.

[https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4939-2089-...](https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4939-2089-1_4) (Just focused on India documents on sleep from 4,000 years ago.

<comment><USER20> That's a great study on hunter-gather sleep duration that I think helps bust some myths about sleep duration. The quote you are trying to refute though is about sleep quality issues like insomnia, which may still be much lower in hunter-gather groups.

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> Has anyone here who wears glasses tried prescription blue-light-filtering lenses? I can't really use the orange glasses lots of people recommend in the evenings because they don't fit well over my glasses--even the clip-ons I bought don't sit right. I've read a bit about prescription lenses that filter blue light, but haven't tried it. I'm curious if anyone else has an what their experience was like.

<comment><USER22> [https://www.amazon.com/Uvex-S0360X-Ultra-spec-SCT-Orange- Ant...](https://www.amazon.com/Uvex-S0360X-Ultra-spec-SCT-Orange-Anti- Fog/dp/B003OBZ64M/)

These work great. I wear glasses and they are very comfortable over them.

<comment><USER21> Bought a pair and started using them. Thank you for the recommendation!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> This was also discussed in a good book about sleep I read a few weeks ago: Why we sleep [https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-Unlocking- Dreams/dp/1501...](https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-Unlocking- Dreams/dp/1501144316/)

</comment><comment><USER24> Note that there were two aspects mentioned in the article. Reducing exposure to bright/blue light after dark and increasing exposure to bright/blue light in the daytime. The first is relatively easy to do for most people but the second tends to be harder if you work indoors.

</comment><comment><USER25> You might find this talk by Paul Reading interesting. Paul is a consultant neurologist who specialises in sleep disorders, and who is a past president of the British Sleep Society. Don't let the amateur video editing put you off, the content is so interesting, I attended the talk at two different venues.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXSoqQF93lU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXSoqQF93lU) (1/2) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCjDUYjnfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCjDUYjnfg) (2/2)

</comment><comment><USER26> Tell me about it. If you live the summer far above the arctic circle, you will soon lose your precious synchronicity. You sleep when there is nothing else to do, 12 hours if needed. Fishermen seem to prefer past midnight hours because the wind is minimal and flying bugs come close to water attracting salmon. And afternoons are best time to sleep, as there might be excess heat and mosquitoes fly high. I find these conditions to be the optimal, and feel quite depressed when the annoying darkness gradually creeps in.

</comment><comment><USER27> Ha! That about artificial light and screens is a bit ... wanting the blame the artificial. I find that natural sunlight makes sleeping tough business close to the poles.

</comment><comment><USER28> TL;DR; Article is very long, 4,744 words. Last paragraph is summary: "It's ridiculously simple. But spending more time outdoors during the daytime and dimming the lights in the evening really could be a recipe for better sleep and health. "

<comment><USER29> This. I am a person prone to bipolar disorder and it made a huge improvement for me.

You can also add a natural anti-depressant (coffee, red bull) at the morning and depressant (milk, yogurt) at the evening to the mix.

Another advice is to avoid working with Flux / Night Shift at the evenings. This sends conflicting signals to the brain: warm screen light asks for relax but the need to work asks for concentration and focus. This does not go well together.

But you totally can watch an entertaining/scientific YouTube channels with Flux / Night Shift on at the evening. It will gradually drag you to a very good sleep. The good thing it is repeatable, so you can follow this deeply satisfying pattern everyday.

EDIT: Bipolar disorder, not bistable disorder.

<comment><USER30> What is bistable disorder, if you don't mind my asking? I couldn't find anything about it on google.

<comment><USER29> My mistake, I wanted to say "bipolar disorder".

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> Having grown up in a place with constant blackouts, I had too many nights living on candle light. Granted, this was before smartphones...

</comment><comment><USER32> I just disable the blue light entirely in monitor settings. Setting the colors which include blue(magenta, cyan,blue) to 0 stops that entirely. The only drawback is that colors in images that have blue are replaced by gray/black tones(which isn't a problem for me at all).

</comment><comment><USER33> Highly recommend A. Roger Ekrich's At Day's Close: [http://books.wwnorton.com/books/At-Days- Close/](http://books.wwnorton.com/books/At-Days-Close/)

Not only is it a great book on the subject, but the writing is exquisite.

</comment><comment><USER34> I've used red shift apps, cut out sugar and caffeine, got controllable lights that follow a day night cycle. I still stay up late. The last thing I can figure is back lit screens, but that is a bit harder for me to live without.

<comment><USER35> Of course I'm making a few assumptions here, but it sounds like your problem is that you just don't shut off that part of your brain to allow it to relax, so you can fall asleep. I don't care how dark or redshifted your screen is, it's also the content on it and what it is making your mind do.

Try stopping all electronics mid evening, watch the sun set, and read or write (not on electronics!) for an hour or so.

</comment></comment><comment><USER36> Some time ago I discovered my left eye is suffering from astigmatism and I needed glasses to correct it. I was suggested to order glasses with a blue- light filter and it's been a game changer for me ever since.

</comment><comment><USER37> I tend to sleep very well, regardless of screen time or caffeine intake.

However I think this has mostly to do with the fact that I don't sleep enough and my mind/body cherishes what little rest I allow.

</comment><comment><USER38> I'm lucky that I rarely have problem falling asleep. Light used to bother me but then I worked 3rd shift for a few months and now light doesn't really bother me when I try to sleep.

</comment><comment><USER39> I only set an alarm, when I need to travel.

I sleep like 9h if no one wakes me up.

</comment><comment><USER40> Do people really manage to go more than a few days with less than 6-7 hours of sleep? I don't know anyone that does it.

Also the article conveniently forgets how many near-isolated tribes with zero exposure to artificial light never sleep through the whole night, they wake up in intervals and often sleep very lightly because there's danger looming at all times.

Sure, artificial light can be an issue, but if you practice self-restrain with screentime and get a lightbulb with a warmer tone for the late evening hours then your problem will be solved (if it even was caused by light exposure in the first place, and it usually isn't).

</comment><comment><USER41> Use of candlelight increases your risk of home fire significantly. Better use LEDs that are similar to candles.

<comment><USER42> Candlelight is also artificial light ...

<comment><USER43> Exactly. Came here expecting an article on someone who used sunlight only and how that affects life, ability to do work, sleep, health... And found an article on someone who removed blue light, while keeping artificial candles for dark times.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER44> Artificial light suppresses melatonin. But no worries, I have a bottle of artificial melatonin too.

</comment><comment><USER45> Sam Altman concurs with the benefits of morning light:

> I use a full spectrum LED light most mornings for about 10-15 minutes while > I catch up on email. It's great—if you try nothing else in here, this is the > thing I'd try.

[https://blog.samaltman.com/productivity](https://blog.samaltman.com/productivity)

<comment><USER46> [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075H39NDL](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075H39NDL) is the one he mentions (not available).

It's 5500K and it says it mimics midday sun; I wonder if that could be harmful long term, as you're shocking your body awake - "it's midday, get up!" \- rather than following a natural progression from dark to morning-light.

</comment></comment><comment><USER47> I don't think living completely without artificial lights and screens is possible for a vast majority of HN users.

Remember to completely shut your bedroom out at night though, it has to be completely, 100% pitch black. It improves the sleep quality a lot.

<comment><USER48> From my anecdotal evidence I see that sleep robustness can be strongly shaped by conditioning when we're younger.

Ex: having your children sleep in bedrooms with open doors with a dim light source on will make them into one of those "I sleep through everything" sleepers.

Curious to hear other people's experience.

<comment><USER49> Grew up in a very rural area (maximum of 2 cars passing by my window everyday) and used to sleep in pitch dark.

I could get robbed, bombed and receive a kidney transplant without noticing - so yes it's anecdotal, curious as well

<comment><USER50> Once I'm asleep I can sleep through a lot (and even if I do wake up, get out of bed, and put the kids in the shower after they've been sick - I have no memory of it in the morning)

However getting to sleep is tricky. I've found two things that seem to work.

One is listening to Legally Blonde the musical on repeat with headphones on -- on a plane even where I don't get a bed this allows me to sleep for a good 6 or so hours on an overnight flight. It's weird, I think I had it on once some years ago and fell asleep, now my brain feels to be "conditioned". If I listen to it I start feeling sleepy.

The other is at home where it's quiet, dark, and no movement. I start thinking about orbital mechanics (at least as much as KSP has taught me), and I usually fall asleep fairly quickly.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER51> >Because I needed to maintain a normal work schedule, I also decided to keep the lights on until 18:00, although I switched my laptop to 'night mode' after sunset.

So, they didn't "live without artificial light". They just used candle-light after dark, and didn't watch TV. Not impressed.

</comment><comment><USER52> Sunlight has significant blue light. (This makes sense, considering that our sensitivity to blue light evolved in order to sync to the day/night cycle).

But what about moonlight? Surely our intrinsically photosensitive retinal ganglion cells (the cells that handle the sensing for syncing) and the syncing mechanism using them evolved back when our early hominid ancestors lived and slept outdoors.

Does the Moon do a poor job of reflecting the blue components of sunlight?

Or did our ancestors have bad sleep during those times of month when the Moon was up in the early evening?

Or is the reflected light from the Moon dim enough that the blue component does not reach some minimum threshold to activate the retinal ganglion cells?

Or did they simply find a place to sleep behind a tree or rock or something on the side opposite the Moon?

<comment><USER53> > Sunlight has significant blue light. (This makes sense, considering that our > sensitivity to blue light evolved in order to sync to the day/night cycle).

Your thesis about the evolution of our sensitivity to blue light comes from the fact that sunlight has blue light, but now you're using (a) to prove (b).

<comment><USER52> Most general discussion on the net about the adverse effects of blue light is in the context of artificial light, such as from screens. People sometimes get the mistaken impression from this that natural light does not have significant blue content, and the bad effects of blue light in artificial sources comes from blue light being something that we did not evolve to deal with it all.

The point of the parenthetical comment was that our sensitivity to blue light is not because it is something we did not naturally encounter and so it is some kind of irritant we have not developed a tolerance for, but rather because we evolved sensitivity to it as a way to sense the day/night cycle, so of course there is significant blue light in sunlight. If there wasn't we would not have developed sensitivity to it. We would have developed sensitivity to some other color that is significant in sunlight.

It probably could have been phrased better.

<comment><USER54> It absolutely is a natural evolution - the pineal gland in our brain, which regulates the sleep cycle via hormones, responds to blue light as a signal to wake up. We see blue light - it's a sign the sun is up and the sky is lit and it's time to go hunting.

According to wikipedia, the moon full moon provides about 0.05–0.1 lux. The sun, even on an overcast sunrise provides 40 lux, and can provide up to 120,000 lux. Even assuming a logarithmic response (as in hearing), that's still a huge difference, so I doubt that it provides enough stimulation to get us to regulate the hormones poorly (though I'm sure the moon did affect our sleep regardless).</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Missing Out on Deep Sleep Causes Alzheimer's Plaques to Build Up - <AUTHOR> https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-02-27/study-deep-sleep-best-for-brain-cleaning-emphasizes-link-between-sleep-and-alzheimers <comment><USER2> Someone needs to write how much deep sleep you need per night!

I'm a light sleeper and with recent chronic pancreatitis, I have trouble sleeping...

Articles like this only dial up anxiety and make things worse!

For example. My hear fit says I get 3h30m of 'motionless'.. is that enough deep sleep? Apparently, not very clear since trackers aren't really accurate enough</comment>