Heart Rhythm as Password (Apple Patent Application) - <AUTHOR> http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220100113950%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20100113950&RS=DN/20100113950

<comment><USER2> There's a big problem with all bio-metric identification. If your signature is stolen, you're stuffed. Unlike a pin or password you can't change it.

</comment><comment><USER3> I've done a lot of work with heartbeat signatures, and this is a promising idea. Each person has a certain set of easily identifiable characteristics to their heartbeat, such as notches, and creating something like an FFT to create a signature could potentially be a great method of identifying a user.

<comment><USER4> Are any of these identifiable characteristics really that invariable? What if someone starts exercising a lot, or loses 200 pounds, or starts taking medication that affects the heart/blood pressure, etc..?

I imagine being locked out of your account and trying to diagnostic your heart must be a pain...

<comment><USER5> As with fingerprints, your password is always the primary authentication method. The fingerprint / heartbeat authentication support is there as an alternative; to be "cool", take longer than typing your password, and make it easier for intruders to access your device.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Absurd. Cardiac 'patterns' change over time, and altered with heart disease/dysfunction. Bio-medical based authentication must rely on non- changing biological characteristics.

<sarcasm>Gotta hand it to them for covering the bases, though.</sarcasm>

<comment><USER7> Plus, it discriminates against the nonliving.

<comment><USER8> Not quite as ridiculous as it sounds, there are already issues with people getting access to digital information of deceased relatives (encrypted hard drives, social networking sites, email etc.).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> The assignee name and "address" is spelled wrong on the page.

Also it would be incredibly awesome to have seamless passwords. Just pick up and go. But of course, I imagine there'd be times when it wouldn't be able give accurate consistent measurements? It seems like a rather delicate operation, i.e prone to problems.

<comment><USER10> Maybe it would work perfectly - until you were panicky and the adrenaline affected your heart rhythm. Like during that sales demo, or when calling 911.

<comment><USER11> Does adrenaline really affect _rhythm_ , or does it simply make your heart beat with the same rhythm, faster? I thought any change in heart rhythm was considered an arrhythmia.

<comment><USER12> I suspect arrhythmias are commoner than you think. A large proportion of us will suffer from one at some point in our lives.

Failure scenario: you're having a mild heart attack, but you can't call an ambulance because your phone doesn't recognize you!

(If this biometric is routinely used as a password-substitute, what are the odds that by the time you really need it, you've forgotten the password you used when you set up your account?)

Yes, a workaround for emergency services is feasible, but your average first half attack has a duration measured in hours, comes with a variety of symptoms the victim is unfamiliar with, and many folks' first response is to try to self-diagnose or ask someone about it, rather than to instantly realize "OMFG, I'm having a heart attack, ER _now_ ". Way to go if they're locked out of all the possible online sources of information that might tell them what's going on!

(And I really don't think Apple will be wanting to jump through the medical device certification hoops for OSX and the iPhone, given what the regulatory regime is like ...)

<comment><USER11> Easy enough: require that any computer using biometrics (of _any_ kind, not just this one) also have the guest account enabled.

<comment><USER12> Now we're into patching design errors by applying work-arounds.

That _always_ ends well.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I was thinking today about a mouse that could detect heart rate, in the same manner as a cardio machine detects it. I don't know why you would want to use it as a password, however it could be useful in biofeedback.

<comment><USER14> A real mouse or a computer mouse?

<comment><USER13> Computer mouse!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Will work fine till when you are having a heart attack and need to find the address of the nearest hospital.

</comment><comment><USER16> Can I just have support to draw a pattern on the homescreen for authentication? This is pretty ridiculous.

</comment><comment><USER17> Pretty innovative I think. I imagine it wouldn't replace a password (unless it was super reliable) but just be like a shortcut for the owner. Would it detect your pulse through just your hand as you hold it normally? That's be great.

</comment><comment><USER18> Is it easier to "steal" and use someone's hearbeat remotely than their fingerprint?

</comment><comment><USER19> How similar is this to the alleged Nintendo vitality sensor?</comment>


The Shining light of Wikipedia and other disappointments - <AUTHOR> http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/2017/06/censorship-suppression-the-shining-light-of-wikipedia-and-other-disappointments/ <comment><USER2> Reading between the lines, this appears to be someone who has tried to alter Wikipedia to support fringe scientists & alt-medicine gurus like Rupert Sheldrake and Deepak Chopra. So I all a bit skeptical of his motives.

Does anyone know the other side of the story?

<comment><USER3> I saw that too, mixed in with likely legit criticism of the possibility of editors abusing their power in the community and possibly too much orthodoxy squashing less popular views, is the fact that they want there to be more prominence for ideas that don't hold up to scientific scrutiny - and worse, can create confusion among lay people about what constitutes a valid scientific theory.

<comment><AUTHOR> where specifically do you see that? It is detailed and mentioned both on Wikipedia itself and the website that the focus was on non controversial biographical information and had nothing to do with the ideas or the theories.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Wikipedia is fine if you look up something less controversial like proton decay, but as soon as article has multiple points of view, there is a fight to establish the 'dominant narrative'. Articles that have any arbitration measures applied or in semi-protection shouldn't be trusted: if there are huge talk page archives its also a sign the topic has multiple points of view which Wikipedia can't express. Neutral point of view(Wiki policy) with controversial topics often leads to one-sided articles where the side which 'won the article' controls completely the content, which is massaged to fit the NPOV policy without adding anything from opponents.

<comment><USER5> This is a problem for sure, but consider the alternative. We could include all viewpoints. This means we put "the universe originated with a big bang and humans evolved from apes" next to "an invisible being created the world and humans 8000 years ago", "AIDS is caused by HIV" next to "AIDS is caused by vaccines and can be cured by ear candling", "the Holocaust killed 10 million plus people" next to "the Holocaust is a Jewish conspiracy to gain sympathy so they can take over the banking system". It's true that for some topics, including only the dominant view glosses over substantial evidence, but we can't ignore the fact that dominant viewpoints are often dominant because the non-dominant viewpoints have no basis in reality.

<comment><USER4> These contrasting views are documented in Wikipedia as conspiracy theories(holocaust denial, HIV denial) and creationism, wikipedia is fine with it. What i talk about are single articles where there is no other view elsewhere: the only expression of that topic belongs in a single article. It doesn't require to seek political articles to find obvious bias. Lets take for example 0.999... ; its contained in single article, there is only a brief mention of opposing view in skepticism section, but if you look at the talk pages you'll see its more controversial than it sounds and the opposing view is silenced.

<comment><USER5> Okay, but there's similar argument on vaccines and Obama's birth certificate; how do you propose to resolve that? Do you feel qualified to say that the minority opinion on 0.999 is more notable or sane than moon landing denials? On what basis?

<comment><USER4> Wikipedia is fine with all of these topics and has articles documenting them: Obama birth certificate has its own article,[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_consp...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories) Moon landing conspiracy theories article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theori...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories) Vaccines [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversies)

<comment><USER5> I think you're conflating "documenting disproved conspiracy theories" with "presenting disproved conspiracy theories as alternative theories".

The vaccine controversies page, for example, notes that some people think vaccines cause autism, but also prominently quotes someone calling the vaccine-autism connection "perhaps, the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years". At no point does either the vaccine or vaccine controversies article deviate from the dominant viewpoint that vaccines do not cause autism.

This is very different from the numerous attempts to edit the page vaccines to say that vaccines cause autism. That is what we'd be allowing if we say that articles must present opposing viewpoints when there is controversy. Do you really want the vaccines page to present that as a valid viewpoint?

<comment><USER4> Wikipedia pretends to be neutral retelling of secondary sources("Verifiability, not Truth"). If Wikipedia was truly neutral it wouldn't need to adhere to "valid/dominant viewpoints" and pretend everything else doesn't exist. Basically, they claim to be neutral and unbiased while "dominant viewpoints" determine the content.

<comment><USER5> I agree. As I said upthread, that's a problem.

However, I'm saying, the alternative, where treating every viewpoint that exists as worthy of inclusion, is worse.

<comment><AUTHOR> but those are not two mutually exclusive options. There is a difference between suppressing a minority voice (perspective) away from editing an article as opposed to INCLUDING a minority reference or fact in the article itself.

<comment><USER5> My argument is that many minority views (for example "vaccines cause autism") should be actively removed ("suppressed" in your words) from Wikipedia in favor of reality-based opinions. The only mechanism wikipedia has for choosing which minority opinions to remove is majority opinion (hopefully expert majority opinion). Wikipedia doesn't have a mechanism to include minority opinions without also including crazies.

Majority opinion isn't always right, but Wikipedia isn't well suited for solving that problem. This isn't speculation: it wasn't always this way, but the rules were made because people were flooding Wikipedia with all the insane things people believe. I've never been an active wikipedia contributor, but I've used the site long enough to remember this.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> The site was having trouble loading for me. Here is an archive: [http://archive.is/mOynr](http://archive.is/mOynr)

I think blocking wikipediawehaveaproblem.com as a source is ok, but banning it from Jimmy's talk page is an entirely different kettle of fish.

<comment><AUTHOR> it is not blocked as a source, it is blocked site wide from sharing on talk pages of any editor.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> I wouldn't expect Wikipedia to accept "WikipediaSucks.com" as a source either.

<comment><USER8> I wouldn't expect them to ban it from talk pages though.

<comment><USER9> I would if the posts are destructive, disruptive or spamy.

At first I would tend to ban the authors, but that would create precedent and effectively ban the posts not before long.

<comment><AUTHOR> damn you scarey

<comment><USER9> that's only what they do here on HN

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> While Wikipedia is certainly not any more objective as a collective than any individual alone. It surely is tough to deal with confrontation and rejection emotional support. It's frustrating to eb the one who is wrong or being wronged. But it is most of all frustrating to be absolutely ignorant and Wikipedia is a great resource at providing educative insights, even if the editing process is severely laborious and the needed quality not always obvious or easily provided.

<comment><AUTHOR> The issue is agenda based editing. While it is natural that people will disagree on context, that is not the problem, the problem is when you have agenda based editors who guard articles and suppress other viewpoints from any editing at all. That is what is happening on Wikipedia

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> > Jimbo Wales, in touting the value of overcoming fake news with his new > WikiTribune, is without realizing it admitting to the utter corruption of > the Wikipedia model.

The author makes this assertion and then quickly moves on. I don't follow it. Can anybody clarify how WikiTribune relates to the author's complaints of Wikipedia?

<comment><AUTHOR> Sure, WikiTribune uses a soft wiki model in a way that insures reliable reporting. This requires a responsible paid staff while still keeping the collaboration of the outside community in tact.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> Perspective seems clear and we'll reasoned to me. Until Wales is compared to Trump.

<comment><AUTHOR> good point

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> > The website is temporarily unable to service your request as it exceeded > resource limit. Please try again later.

Mirror anyone?</comment>


Amazing Zilog Z80 (2016) - <AUTHOR> https://floooh.github.io/2016/06/15/the-amazing-z80.html <comment><USER2> I can still remember many hex-codes by hearth: "3E 01 C3 12 34". In 8080: "MVI A,01 / JMP 3412" and Z80 "LD A,01 / JP 3412".

There is something deeply metaphorical in early microprocessors. I sometimes dream in machine code. In this dream I solve a fundamental problem in recursion and neural nets. You can somehow induce deep learning with few lines of code and infinite RAM. I try to member the solution, but waking from lucid dream takes so much time and effort that everything disappears.</comment>


My Seth Godin decline letter.  Thoughts? - <AUTHOR> Below is my decline (form) letter from applying to Seth Godin's Alternative MBA program.  Did you apply?  why or why not?  what are your thoughts on the idea and Seth Godin in general? <comment></comment><comment></comment><comment>---
You are amazing.
I'm stunned.
Bowled over.
Amazed.
And optimistic about our future (and yours).
The applications I received were astonishingly good. Thorough and honest and clear and direct. They were motivating and demonstrated just how much people can do when they put their minds to it. I read every word of every application and I learned a lot.
If I had 60 seats, I still would have had too many people awe-inspiring applying. Unfortunately, I have nowhere near that, and so I had to make difficult, irrational and not particularly fair choices. Alas, I'm going to be unable to work with you in 2009. There are still interviews and such to go through, so I don't have the final group selected, but I thought the fairest thing to do was let you know as soon as possible.
The good news, and I hope you think it's good news, is that you don't need me. As I said before, I have no magic wand, no secret recipe. Your decision to just make it happen, to push forward, to change... that was the hard part.
Go. Do that. Blow them away. I fully expect it will happen.
Thanks for taking the time and thanks for understanding.
Seth
PS I'm going to post on my blog about how stellar each of you are... and I'm linking to a Google listing of applications (all of them, accepted and not). If you don't want to be seen by others, you should delete your lens (if you made one). But I think you should be extraordinarily proud of what you've built and what you've done... and you might even get a new gig because of it. </comment><comment><USER2> I'd actually be a little bit insulted to get that as a response. It reads like a load of over-dramatized crap.

Part of what's wrong with so many of these internet-marketers is that everything seems to be positioned as various degrees of "super rockstar ninja greatness". There is never any bad, unmarketable, stupid ideas. IE: no one wants to put their reputation on the line by making a potentially bad call. So, he won't say that your proposal was disagreeable, only that other proposals were even more "super rockstar ninja great".

IMO, if he actually had something great to offer and was bowled over-amazed- stunned at just how great an idea was, he'd find a way to nurture that, not blow it off.

<comment><USER3> It does ring a bit empty, doesn't it.

Bad move overall, imho. I've lost some respect for Seth Godin because of that letter. A more normal rejection letter would have been more appropriate. This letter makes him sound a bit too kitsch.

<comment><USER4> The letter looks very much like all of his blog posts, not sure why anyone would expect anything different from him. I'm assuming most of the people that applied to this program are frequent readers of his blog, and so hopefully the style of the letter didn't seem inappropriate to them.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Here's what I would have responded in Seth's shoes (note: I'm a big Godin fan and think this is a killer opportunity but did not apply):

"Hi!

[this is a form letter- Given that I preach honesty in marketing, I figure I owe you that!]

I reviewed your app and am declining you for this opportunity. Overall, I was _incredibly_ impressed with the quality (and volume) of the applications. Unfortunately, because I am just one guy, I had to read through them quickly and go a lot on "gut feeling". I had to pass over some fabulous applications in favor of some slightly-more-fabulous ones. I'm sure I declined some great people. I'm sure I'll be interviewing some duds.

Due to the volume of apps, I can't send any personalized feedback on your application. I really wish I had the time to, but a guy's gotta sleep. Thanks again!"

</comment><comment><USER6> too nicey nicey. It doesn't sound sincere to me.

When I was applying for jobs I used to get back all sorts of crap like this.. it's silly. One company got back to me within 24 hrs with a simple: "sorry your not for us because xyz"

I reapplied instantly and in the "why are you applying" space put "because your the first company not to reject me with complete bull and just gave me a straight honest answer. I trust you."

I got the job too :)

Rule 101 of rejections: don't be nice. Be kind certainly but tell them where they went wrong. They've already been rejected - sucking up helps neither party....

<comment><USER7> You got a rejection with _reasons_ on it?

I've always either gotten either "We are pleased you interviewed but we are continuing the search" or no response at all.

Was I terrible? Was I awesome, but you cut me out for unfair and irrational reasons? I'll never know, and never know how I can improve. Does a great job of wrecking your psyche when you've been doing it for months straight.

<comment><USER8> _I've always either gotten either "We are pleased you interviewed but we are continuing the search" or no response at all._

The no response at all shit is lame. I've had that happen to me twice, and it's just rude. Even a curt form letter is better than simply discarding a person once a company decides they have no use for someone.

<comment><USER7> The worst one was when the HR person just couldn't seem to tell me or send an email. She kept delaying me telling that they hadn't decided yet, but she'd have an answer by such-and-such date. Eventually she just stopped returning calls.

I was at the point where it took me awhile (3 weeks?) to get the hint, desperately clutching to any sort of lead.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment> puzzle-out This sounds a little like being dumped along the lines of "its not you, its me."

<comment><USER9> It's not you. It's not me either! Isn't that aweseome? I mean, it's completely stupendously awesome that we're both so amazingly awesomely cool but somehow this thing just isn't working. I mean, _we're_ not working. Together, that is. OK, so I found some other super-cool kids who are even more awesome, but that doesn't mean you're not, and it doesn't mean that I'm not, just that we're not quite so amazingly awesomely awesome as a team, which is why I've decided to dump you. Well, not _dump_ you exactly, it's more like I'm deferring the joint awesomeness we could have had for another day, when it will be even better. Meanwhile, have a cookie.

<comment><USER10> lol I love the cookie sentence.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Everything Seth Godin writes is either unactionable, obvious, or wrong.

<comment><USER12> I've heard this criticism of Seth a few times now. I don't disagree with the statement... but it's also not exactly a strong criticism either.

His work seems to be mostly about making us rethink the way we approach marketing, especially on the web. That is coming from the other end of the "actionable" spectrum. It is a strategy, not a tactic. All the old tactics still apply, but you use them for different ends.

His examples are, of course, simple and "obvious" in a style that many (myself included) appreciate. I've found writing a series of succinct, obvious statements that convey a greater wisdom is much harder than people give it credit for.

And, like any exploratory thinker, I don't think Seth himself would claim he's never wrong. It's all about if you can learn something about the approach to marketing, not memorize a bunch of steps.

Definitely a fan, not a fanatic, but I've heard this point enough that I wanted to state a counter.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> I had a friend who applied, it's not something I'd ever want to do. I think Seth is a great motivational speaker and writer, but there are far more people I'd want to give up 6 months with no pay to be mentored by from an entrepreneurial standpoint.

Not to mention, I was pretty turned off from the whole thing the moment I read the internship he was offering. It all seemed a little self-serving (with kool-aid), and I get a little sick of MBA guys knocking MBA programs. Seems like a shallow self-marketing gimmick...

(His blog is on my reader)

</comment><comment><USER14> The actual rejection is buried halfway through. Rejection or acceptance should be in the first sentence, and the tone of how that sentence starts should make it obvious which one it is.

</comment><comment><USER15> Damn, that's condescending.

If it were delivered in person, I'd expect a lollypop and a pat upon the head after hearing it.

</comment><comment><USER16> I applied and got an interview. I sent in my application as a PDF, but I also made this lens which Seth apparently liked:

<http://www.squidoo.com/Reading_Optional>

<comment><USER7> I'm new to this term "lens".

It seems like it's just a fancy word for "how-to" or "neat bit of information / call to take some sort of action".

<comment><USER17> Godin's company is Squidoo. It's an odd little web page builder thing. A "Lens" is what he calls a "page". Because if he called it a page, then no one would care. Now almost no one does.

<comment><USER18> Be warned before you go there, Squidoo is the wikipedia of spam, advertising and self promotion.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> I was waiting to see a link to an ebook you could buy at the end of the letter.

<comment><USER20> With testimonials, a GIF of a signature, and a paypal button!

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> Let's face it, Seth has the cult of personality working overtime for him. People will do whatever it takes to get some of the Seth magic to rub off on them. He doesn't need to suck up to anyone and this letter proves that.

The sad thing is that he's only had one hit -- the idea of permission marketing. From there on, everything he has done is vaporous Seth brand building. I once sat in on a social media webinar with Seth and all he talked about was permission marketing. I wasn't impressed. Same old stuff.

</comment><comment><USER22> This sounds like Seth Godin trying to keep his "Tribe" Intact by not hurting anybody's feelings.

<comment><USER7> I always thought tribes were more in tune with brutally enforcing a hierarchy through displays of fitness and hostility towards outside people and thoughts.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> So apparently by the very act of applying to his program, that fact alone makes me amazing. Not even close to buying it.

I think today I learned a lot more about this character than reading all his books.

I think anyone rejected from his program really dodged a bullet. Can you imagine a daily dose of this guy up close?

</comment><comment><USER24> He really is starting to lose it. I don't think he practices what he preaches anymore. Yes, he'll answer an email, but ask for more than that and I can guarantee what the answer will be.... Maybe he should just be "Authentic" about it and do a blog post which says: "Look people, I am flattered at all the requests and X, Y and Z's I get. But you probably don't know that it amounts to many thousands of these a week and i just can't be now, what I was then. The good news for you is that my authentic method works.... up to a point... and that space is now open for you to take... Coz I'm just too big to do it now, to be authentic that is.... it was fun while it lasted..."

How about that Seth?

Steve Sammartino - www.startupblog.wordpress.com

</comment><comment><USER25> IMHO, Seth is over rated, that is unless you love boring articles and consensus opinion.

</comment><comment><USER26> Am I the only one who gets the feeling that an "Alternative colostomy" would be more pleasant than an "Alternative MBA program"?

</comment><comment><USER27> what MBA program?

<comment><USER2> Seth has made the generous offer of allowing a select few people to work for him. For free. In exchange, you get to be surrounded by His Greatness every day. If you get accepted, don't forget to bring your lunch money and cab fare as well.

While this sounds like a revolutionary idea, if you're willing to work for free, and can sell yourself well (the two basic acceptance criteria for this program), there is a high probably you can weasel yourself into some simialr position a number of different places.

<comment><USER28> It is often referred to as an "internship." There is no way this can possibly be comparable to an actual MBA, but I am biased.

<comment><USER18> Well Seth's specialty is calling things they aren't or making up superfluous words when a simple English one just won't work for him.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> So don't worry about working on his projects; work on your own and make them better!

<comment><USER29> Because you know, you are a Rockstar&tm; developer!

</comment></comment><comment><USER30> He's basing this on one of the basic types of literary rejection letters.

</comment><comment><USER31> Poor guy can use some Valium.

</comment><comment><USER32> I got the same damn letter. I would be more interested in seeing your application. Are you putting it up on squidoo?

<comment><AUTHOR> didn't put it up at squidoo. if interested, I just posted it to <http://www.jonesinsight.com/alt_mba.html>.

<comment><USER27> thanks for sharing - good read. #5 was really inspiring.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thank you for the input.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> It sounds like he is living in a fantasy land.

</comment><comment><USER34> not so impressed with this!

</comment><comment><USER35> Yeah, Seth should issue an apology for being so damn nice. What a jerk.</comment>


Autofocus glasses - <AUTHOR> http://evisionoptics.com/spectacle.html

<comment><AUTHOR> As someone who is experience the annoyance of presbyopia, I hope they finish this product soon.</comment>


WDC Re-releases Classic 1986 6502/65816 manual "Programming the 65816" - <AUTHOR> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01855HL7Q <comment><USER2> The 65816 is an interesting beast. I used to have a prototype version of this chip somewhere, though after the nth move I have no idea which of the many crates it lives in or if I may have accidentally thrown it out (I seem to have misplaced my heirlooms as well :( ).

The reason why this is an interesting chip is because if offers a window on what an 'alternate universe' might have looked like if Motorola and Intel had had a third viable contender when the CPU wars were still in their infancy. Unfortunately the chip never found itself in a machine that was spread out widely enough and with powerful enough hardware that its potential could be seen. And that's a pity because it had some pretty nifty features, the processor that it is easiest to compare to was the 80286.

<comment><USER3> Yes, if the 65816 (or something similar) came out in 1978 (the same year as 8086, 6809 and 68000), we'd probably be in a very different world. In the late 70's, the Apple II was the dominant business machine, because it was the best machine to run Visicalc. But in the 80's, Lotus 1-2-3 on PC completely demolished Visicalc, and the IBM PC hegemony began.

Of course, given how badly Apple screwed up the Apple III, it's unlikely even the 65816 could have saved it.

<comment><AUTHOR> It would have been interesting if Atari or Commodore had continued their 8-bit lines on the '816 instead of chasing after the 68k.

A 65c816 with Jay Miner's Amiga/Lorraine chipset would have been a natural successor to the Atari 8-bit series.

My impression is the Apple IIGS was deliberately handicapped by pressure of the Jobs/Mac partisans at Apple. It could have gone out with a higher clock and been a contender.

<comment><USER4> I think the 68000 was a much better architecture than the 65816. It was nicer to program and had 32-bit registers which was probably the result of not really being a ISA compatible successor to either the 6800 or 6809. Perhaps if WDC had built a 32-bit successor to 6502 instead of a 16-bit with some weird performance issues, it would have been more interesting.

I do wish something had evolved so we could have something to power the low- end PC market in the original 6052 price range.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> The title says "Kindle Version" on Amazon but the only purchase option is a $45 (!) paperback?

<comment><USER5> Looks like it's been fixed and the Kindle version is available for $9.99 now.</comment></comment>


How cloud vendors can be evil? - <AUTHOR> http://www.mohitsoni.com/blog/2009/06/how-cloud-vendors-can-be-evil/

<comment><USER2> "People use banks because banks operates on certain standards and laws, which enables easier movement of money from one bank to another for bank customers. Cloud vendors should also frame certain laws and standards, that will enable moving of data from one cloud vendor to another in future."

I really like this idea, but how does one enforce/regulate those kinds of standards? I feel like google is putting forth a pretty good effort with their protocol based wave, but they have an amazing amount of clout to throw around and are increasingly being accused of being monopolists because of it. A lot of developers could choose to avoid any standard Google puts forward, because anything Google does is _obviously_ only done to promote their own self- interest.

As it gets easier and cheaper to set up cloud servers, I can only foresee a further splintering of existing protocols. If I were to set up my own cloud server, chances are I would build some kind of personalized REST based platform because that's what I know and am comfortable with. It would serve my purposes, but it may not serve my competetion's cloud server. Who would build their own API. How does this ever coalesce into one standardized protocol?

<comment><USER3> it is in the best interest of larger, more established players to lock you in by using proprietary, patent protected, and/or complex APIs. Smaller players, on the other hand, want to grow, often by undercutting the larger players on cost (the entire market here is priced massively above the costs I see, so just about anyone with a few servers can come in and be 1/2 to 1/4th market price.) In that case, the smaller players desperately want it to be easy to move from one provider to another.

The current situation is that only complex APIs exist.

The problem is that the smaller players often don't have the resources to deal with a more complex API.

I think what we need is a 'simplest thing that could possibly work' API that is easy for good SysAdmins (who may not be good programmers) to integrate into their own system.

But then, I haven't really played much with Eucalyptus. maybe I am wrong about it being too complex. I should throw up a server with Eucalyptus and see what happens.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> "Never put data into a program unless you can see exactly how to get it out"

this is key.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> I think Cloud vendors should come forward proactively, and frame a set of standards for interoperability in the cloud. An inspiration could be taken from the Virtulization industry, that came up with OVF (Open Virtualization Format).</comment>


Not so Essential phone - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/@pacavaca/not-so-essential-phone-ddcab1bb1f75 <comment><USER2> From the article:

> My <Android phone> is two years old and, as every Android, becoming slower > and slower. The battery has degraded too, and now the phone is not holding > even half a day of moderate usage. {author says other words to same effect > later}

Although I am an iPhone user myself I hope this is hyperbole. My phones have lasted a lot longer and when I have replaced them it has been for new features (original -> 4 -> 6S Plus). I have had my current phone for a couple of years and don't see a reason to upgrade yet.

I'm not saying this to say "apple good others sux", I'm saying that surely this kind of planned obsolescence can't be the rule.

On another point: part of the benefit of Android is you don't have to run the stock apps, right? So as long as the hardware is decent, you can run the google camera app as the author did and got the best of both worlds.

(BTW I know a bunch of the Essential folks including Andy and the same guy spec'd/designed the camera hardware for Essential and, before that, Google).

<comment><USER3> I had windows phone for the longest time. At the expense of apps, it had great a battery life, great camera, and was always fast.

I switched to the flagship 2014 Moto X in October 2014. I got the material design update (iirc lollipop) in march 2015 and by then it was slow. The battery life was terrible. The camera was worse than the old windows phone despite the superior resolution.

Having a less than one year old unusable flagship sucksss. I got the iPhone 6s at launch and was blown away by the battery life, and the speed. I'm no Apple fanboy (as my post history proves), but iPhone is hard to beat. I'm thinking of getting an iPhone 8, not because there's anything wrong with my phone now, but because I want a shiny new toy. (and now I'm starting to rethink if its a wise decision...)

I've been burned by android and I just don't feel like I can trust the device to still work in a year. Kind of like the worst of Windows devices in the mid 2000s.

<comment><USER4> Moto X 2014 user here. I love this phone and sadly I would have to replace it soon because it is half broken.

I don't have crappy apps like Facebook or Snapchat which drains the life of any phone. I think the biggest problem of Android is the background process and how devs use too much this and not for improving the user experience but for revenue. Facebook tracks everything it can in the background to show you better ads, this is not possible in iPhones. Android Oreo might solve a little bit this big problem, so let's see.

<comment><USER5> I had an issue where my phone would go from full battery to nearly dead after a day of idling unused in my desk drawer. The Android Battery app would just list "Android System, Android OS, etc" without pointing out any culprit app. I eventually figured out that Google Chrome was to blame and disabling Chrome (unable to uninstall it) fixed the problem. What was Chrome doing all day while my phone was sitting idle? I don't know, I never used Chrome as a brower, it's still a mystery to me.

Hangout was another problem app. Hangouts liked to crash, and after crashing it would leave something still going that would drain the battery unless I manually killed the Hangouts process.

These anecdotes are just to say I've found my battery problems are typically some app doing something bad without my knowledge. I'd like more strict control over background processes as well.

<comment><USER6> I would experience accelerated battery use after system updates were installed. Same deal, as I recall: Something buried within the "Android System" categorization.

For my case, I found that a hard reboot -- turning the phone off and then back on -- brought resource/battery use back in line. That is, an additional reboot, after the one initiated by the update process, itself.

I never did encounter an explanation for this.

After my Nexus 5X -- whose battery life was already starting to shrink more and more -- bootlooped at about 1.3 years old...

Well, I look at my friends with iPhones that "just work" and last until new features compel them to upgrade their device. And it's increasingly tempting... (Just, I don't want to drop a grand on a phone, per the reported upcoming pricing for the iPhone 8.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> They lost me at no 3.5mm headphone jack. How can you say your phone covers the essential and leave out an essential port?

<comment><USER4> I started using Bluetooth headphones last year without special reason. I am not coming back to 3.5mm headphones, wires are so annoying when you are doing something else and they are in the middle.

So you have people like me and a lot of people that never use that connection. And I guess a lot of people buy the phones based on the feeling when they catch them, and thinner phones feel better and people are more likely to buy them. Thus say bye to the 3.5mm connection and loss the hope for bigger batteries. Buy trends is what matters for business.

<comment><USER8> I've got bluetooth headphones. I get tired of keeping them charged, so they never are. But I've got like 10 pairs of wired headphones around, and the convenience always wins. Headphone wires have never bothered me.

> Thus say bye to the 3.5mm connection and loss the hope for bigger batteries.

Sounds like a couple of great reasons to stop buying music to listen to on the phone, stop buying game apps, etc. And to stick with my current phone as long as possible.

<comment><USER9> I felt that pain until I got my AirPods. In part because of the two part charging - they're always charging in the case and then you charge the case semi randomly - about once a week for me.

<comment><USER10> AirPods seem nice, but the whole "10x cost" thing has me questioning Apple's "courage." I'll consider a phone without a headphone jack when Bluetooth earbud prices aren't insane.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> I honestly don't get it. My OnePlus One still holds strong to this day, easily get through day on one charge with watching Videos and so on. New Roms keep everything updated and smooth. My Android phone has never been faster. Even the battery is replaceable, once that day comes.</comment>


Mobile Last? - <AUTHOR> https://jonathanstark.com/blog/mobile-last <comment><USER3> Totally insane to call mobile free. No, if you spent a whole bunch of time testing on a bunch of platforms and a whole bunch more time writing things very carefully to work on a bunch of platforms then you can totally make a great experience for all of them.

I mean I get it. I also think it's insane to not support mobile. Everyone should be supporting mobile. Let's just not lie and say it's easy. It's a bunch of work that everyone should be doing. But it's still work.

<comment><USER4> People often forget that testing cross platform functionality is difficult and time consuming. It can easily tie down designing and add more constraints than necessary. This is why I advocate focusing on essentials like usability, experience, and functionality rather than some gung-ho attitude of "we MUST be mobile first regardless."

<comment><USER5> I'm not saying everyone must ALWAYS design mobile first. I'm saying it should be our default position, like doing layout with css instead of tables.

If you have some reason to ignore mobile (and there are many good ones) then go ahead and make an exception.

My issue with desktop-first in RR is that because of the nature of the situation, there were no good reasons to make that exception.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> _> When building a site from scratch, the additional effort required to support a wide range of devices is extremely low._

If all you're doing is designing a simple website (like a blog - not exactly that complicated), then yes, mobile might not be that hard.

If you're designing a web app though, that's a whole another story. If you want everything to work properly, from user interface to the actual features (one could think that cross-browser compatibility is really good these days, but in practice there's still a surprisingly large amount of places where things differ and you need to account for it), then that will mean a lot of testing across browsers and devices, which will increase your development time _a lot._ Hell, just getting cross-browser compatibility with common up-to-date desktop browsers is a considerable time investment with web apps.

So with that said, I must agree with the organizer quoted in the post - <USER2> all you have is 48 hours, you can't really blame anyone for not spending the time making their web app work well on mobile. Hell, I probably wouldn't spend that much time on cross-browser compatibility either (probably latest Chrome & Firefox compatibility _at most_ \- and even that can be surprisingly involving), since the time really is quite limited, and if you end up with something cool (incidentally, as the blog post says, they didn't win, and spent time making things mobile & desktop -friendly) then you'll have all the time in the world to worry about compatibility and making it truly "production-ready" after the hackathon is over.

EDIT: Not to mention that depending on what kind of web app you're building, it might not even make that much sense on mobile - generally speaking, you don't use mobile devices for serious productivity, so if you're building a serious productivity app, full mobile support could be a waste of time when no-one would even use it seriously on mobile. If you're storing data server- side with user accounts, though (as in, your app's not purely client-side), then you could probably get away with a limited mobile version that only gives read-only data or something. Of course, this all depends on what exactly you're building and should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

<comment><USER7> While I think Jon made it seem a little easier than in reality, as someone who uses and designs for both mobile/desktop I have to agree that when done right it's not that much more of a time investment - generally ~10% extra on a full design/build project. There's a real argument that in a hackathon 10% extra time isn't worth it, but in the real world where you don't always have 48 hour time limits I've always been in the opinion that the initial time investment is far outweighed by the benefits and the additional cost that you would incur by making it mobile-ready later (which usually requires either rebuilding the frontend templates from scratch or hacking away at the existing codebase in a way that is far less organized/sustainable).

As far as the long standing argument of whether building mobile-first or desktop-first, I honestly think that's up to developer preference so long as the whole team is building with the same mindset. Building responsive, mobile- ready sites/applications isn't free, but a lot of web developers/startups seem to make it out to be much more difficult than it actually is when done consistently and right.

<comment><USER6> _> There's a real argument that in a hackathon 10% extra time isn't worth it, but in the real world where you don't always have 48 hour time limits I've always been in the opinion that the initial time investment is far outweighed by the benefits and the additional cost that you would incur by making it mobile-ready later (which usually requires either rebuilding the frontend templates from scratch or hacking away at the existing codebase in a way that is far less organized/sustainable)._

Oh, I completely agree with this. I'd say that even during hackathons, mobile is definitely something you should keep in mind when you're building your design, markup, etc. just like you normally would so that things will be easier in the long run. However, the key thing is that when you hit something that would be easy to deal with on desktop but hard on mobile, you should just go the easy desktop route and leave the mobile solution for later (post- hackathon). And when you're building web apps, those kinds of moments will pretty much inevitably come because mobile is hard - compared to desktop, you will generally speaking always have less screen real estate (and input elements need to be larger, making it even smaller), a lot less processing power, lack of precise pointer input and hover (touch vs mouse), etc etc.

Again, the point here is the difference between building websites and web apps. With websites, your biggest concerns are generally that the site scales nicely to various screen sizes and that links are comfortably clickable (and that it all looks nice). This wouldn't be all that hard to do even under time constraints. Web apps on the other hand generally feature a lot more (single- page) interactivity, and getting that right is a lot harder.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Desktop is dead? I'm not surprised a "mobile software consultant" would say something so ridiculous.

<comment><USER9> I visited a place with a "desktop is dead" / "mobile is the next everything" message a while back. Couldn't help but notice all the desktops. Nobody was doing their work on a mobile device.

The boat people are totally missing is this: sure, mobile is growing like crazy, but what we're seeing isn't the death of PC. What we're seeing is the filling out and explosive diversification of the computing ecosystem. The future isn't a "next platform," it's a whole ecosystem of devices serving specialized functions or function domains. For PC that's "personal computing" \-- doing "big" stuff and "real work." For mobile that's mostly communications along with navigation, etc., the sort of thing you want an ultraportable micro-communicator for.

I own a tablet, a smart phone, and a laptop, and of the three the tablet is probably the one I could do without. The smart phone and the laptop are used constantly. But the tablet is nice for reading and note taking.

<comment><USER10> This is exactly my feeling as well. I would take a huge productivity hit without a phone, or without a laptop. I would mostly miss my tablet on plane rides. I would love to see more data on this though, because I wonder if most non-HNers feel the same way.

<comment><USER9> I'd say of the three losing the laptop would be the worst. I would be unable to do any of my work at all, and the comm functions of the phone could technically be made up by the laptop and a dumb phone.

Laptop: essential like indoor plumbing

Phone: _very_ useful, major time-saver, but could live without

Tablet: nice for reading but dispensable

Tablets are the only endangered class that I see. They occupy an uncanny valley: too small and restrictive for what you do on laptops, too big to be as portable as a smart phone.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> I personally make decisions based on what the project requires rather than some template. Most websites for me are informational, so mobile-first works well. Not a whole lot of functionality to test so we can focus on building the website and make it look on any size device.

However, apps are a different ball game. I'd rather focus on usability, experience, and functionality. I'm not going to try and hobble the app by trying to beat a round peg into a triangle, square, whatever shaped hole. I find that most web applications which have large swathes of functionality benefit from native code, so I usually skip mobile-first design and just do a native app (Xamarin or Titanium works). Why? Because I don't want to sacrifice usability, experience, and functionality. Most apps, I've found out, have different experience, usability, and functionality on difference devices.

<comment><USER11> You can do great mobile experiences on web, but it does require extra time and extra thinking. I don't want to download a new app for every new service I want to try, so I will say that there's still space for really good mobile web apps.

<comment><USER4> Try and not all web apps should have a mobile web app. But there's are instances where a productivity app will benefit from having a mobile app than just a responsive website. I've worked on a couple of web apps that made mobile-first their paradigm and it sucked. Testing sucked. Dev'ing it sucked. We had to sacrifice a lot on usability and experience which sucked a lot. A mobile app would have made more sense than a responsive site. Then again, I used trulia and having them ask me to download their app was just stupid as the app provided zero value to me (their responsive site was perfectly fine).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> (Disclaimer: I'm not a native english speaker)

Responsive design, at least when it comes to web applications, is just lazy. Sure, your layout will totally shrink, but that does not make it "mobile ready".

The set of UI conventions that work and have worked for a long time on desktop won't work on tiny touch-enabled screens.

And if you really care for the user experience of those 2 billion mobile users, you'll have to rethink and redesign every widget and every interaction for fat,lazy and impatient fingers.

So I have to disagree with the notion that supporting a wide rage of devices requires an extremely low additional effort. That's simply not the case if you care about user experience both on mobile _and_ desktop.

I'm guessing that, while on a hackaton, you'll have to choose.

</comment><comment><USER12> Honestly, if you asked these Rumble devs how many of them even tested in Firefox I think the percentage would be low. Such is the nature of these events - you move fast. And as the post says, the aim is to make an "innovative web application", not a "web application that would be delivered to users in an optimal fashion". It was also a Ruby hackathon - given that it's a server-side technology I doubt the client presentation form was given much focus.

I've made this mistake plenty of times before myself. I've dwelled on the the actual real life issues my concept would face and come away at the end of the weekend with a well-considered concept. But what people _want_ at these events is a catchy, flashy demo that wows attendees and that can be tweeted/Facebooked/etc.

This is part of the reason I don't bother sacrificing my weekend to hackathons these days, but still. You're optimising for the wrong use case.

<comment><USER5> > But what people want at these events is a catchy, flashy demo that wows > attendees and that can be tweeted/Facebooked/etc.

And then what? Opened on a mobile phone where the demo doesn't work? Mobile is where people are reading facebook/twitter so if you want to optimize for catchy/flashy for sharing in social media, you should _definitely_ focus on mobile-first.

<comment><USER12> You're assuming the tweeted link would go to the app itself - it wouldn't. It would go to their roundup of the event. These events are not built around making long-lasting projects.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I just want webview-based mobile apps to support basic platform navigation conventions like scrolling to top when the top of the screen is tapped. That one simple gesture immediately outs webview apps 90% of the time. I'll stop preferring native apps when webapps start offering a benefit to me, the user, instead of just the developer.

<comment><USER14> The other one on iOS is edge-dragging to go back/forward in the navigation stack. Neither of these things is -hard- to implement with current tech either!

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> I wonder if the desktop first attitude at the Rails Rumble had something to do with when Rails came on the scene? That when people started using Rails desktop was king and mobile was painful. (wml anyone?)

I would bet that a node.js or a MEAN stack hackathon would have a higher percentage of mobile friendly results.

<comment><USER5> I too wondered that while writing the post, but I can't think of anything about Rails that inherently makes the framework desktop-first.

</comment></comment><comment><USER16> I always build mobile-first websites ... and they suck on desktop because they have vastly different screen sizes. Proper multi device support ist not cheap or free.

</comment><comment><USER17> In a short time frame I'd hate to commit to cross device testing.

That said I wonder what the root cause of the incompatibility. Are these people using a fashionable client side framework that doesn't work on mobile? Or is there a problen with ror?

I can say lately I have made sites using java on the back end and very simple front ends (as little is as possible, very simple html, CSS for formatting and without trying at all these work great on tablets and phones.

<comment><USER18> I don't think you actually need to do cross-device testing to qualify as "mobile-friendly" in the context of a 48 hour hackathon. You just need to put together a view @media rules such that your UI is usable on all sizes of browser window and insert a meta tag to indicate to mobile browsers they shouldn't try to emulate higher resolutions.

It's impossible to say how hard this would be without discussing a specific web app. But if the benchmark is simply "usable" rather than "elegant", I don't imagine it would be very hard for most web applications.

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> First comment, those competitions shouldn't be entered only to "win". the goal should be to build something useful not to have a few judges pick the idea as a "win". The percent of successful companies that come from these types of competitions is absurdly small.

Second comment,Cordova/Phonegap make it really easy to build mobile friendly apps that can be extended to the desktop web, all in pretty much 1 codebase.

</comment><comment><USER20> Why was 'mobile last' a takeaway from a hackathon? Most dev's probably focused their efforts on the breakpoint they would demo. It is possible that are indeed doing 'mobile last' but I wouldn't conclude that from a survey of hackathon projects.

<comment><USER5> Good point about "the screensize they would demo" but in the case of Rails Rumble, the contestants don't demo their work. The judges browse through them on their own on whatever device they like.

<comment><USER20> thanks for clarifying that does open up the need for responsiveness.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> Meh. I looked at the winners - many of them wouldn't make a damn bit of sense as "mobile apps" or even mobile websites.

[http://railsrumble.com/entries/winners](http://railsrumble.com/entries/winners)

<comment><USER5> I strongly disagree.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> Had a similar sentiment earlier this year.

[http://kevinsuttle.com/posts/the-right-questions-to-ask- mobi...](http://kevinsuttle.com/posts/the-right-questions-to-ask-mobile-first- deniers)

</comment><comment><USER23> As long as we're talking about mobile usability - why is this site's font huge on desktop, then get smaller as you reduce the viewport?</comment>


No time to think [video](long one too) - <AUTHOR> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2914282774779758688

<comment><AUTHOR> Do you guys face this problem too? How do you folks try to overcome this problem?</comment>


Apple Sucks Now, Here's a ThinkPad Buyer's Guide - <AUTHOR> http://hackaday.com/2016/10/28/apple-sucks-now-heres-a-thinkpad-buyers-guide/ <comment><USER2> "Here are the names Apple still uses for their laptops (and yes, these are the actual model names):

13-inch MacBook Pro with 2.0GHz Processor and 256GB Storage 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and Touch ID, 2.9 GHz Processor and 256GB Storage 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and Touch ID, 2.9GHz Processor and 512GB Storage

The ThinkPad naming convention makes marketing easier, product differentiation simpler, and by comparison shows us Apple without Jobs the first time was better than Apple without Jobs the second time."

Uh, no, those names tell you exactly what the product is. Nobody except extreme aficionados could tell you the significance of 300/500/700 off the top of their head.

<comment><USER3> Except that you still don't know which generation of processor the MBP has- I still see tons of deceptive Craigslist ads for MBPs that have a "2.0Ghz" processor, with no indication that it's a model from 2011, which is not at all comparable with a "2.0Ghz" processor from 2015.

<comment><USER4> This is probably offtopic, but I hate, hate, hate Intel's CPU naming strategy for the Core i line.

An i7 (U,M) in an ultrabook is vastly different from the i7 (MQ, HQ) in a gaming laptop.

A lot of people don't realize that, they just assume that i7 means "fastest intel processor".

It also doesn't help when computer manufacturers say "#th generation Intel processor". Unless you're keeping up with that stuff, how does a consumer buying a computer even make sense of that stuff?

<comment><USER5> Yah, and then consider the m3/m5/m7, x3/x5/x7, Pentium and celeron brands are all still available.

Its the same with the xeon line, where you really have to dig into the details to know what the difference is between a E5-46xx and a E7-48xx. Early on it seemed like intel was going to use E3=1 socket, E5=2 socket, E7>2 socket, but then they started bluring the lines. And then there are all the secondary features like extended availability of a SKU which isn't even broken down on the ARK matrix.

Then of course it changes every month or so when they add a couple new ones and remove a couple old ones. No wonder everyone is confused, half us here are computer geeks, and we need the internet to determine the difference between most of the part numbers. To average users, its complete crap. Worse, since so many of them are similar, you have to look at heaps of benchmarks to determine if some random i7 is actually faster than some random i5/whatever..

Basically, it seems to me that intel has far to many people in product segmentation/marketing and they could use some serious housecleaning. Do we really need 500 (probably worse that that) SKU's varying in one feature or another? They could rip out every other clock rate stepping and no one would really notice, heck they could rip out 1/2 the core count ones too.

<comment><USER6> And now they have the x5 and x7 atoms (formerly Cherry Trail) with things like the Z series for tablets: [http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-...](http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-x7-x5-processor.html)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> In addition to Lenovo, consider the XPS 13 and 15. While Dell's quality has been somewhat inconsistent as they launched the line, they stepped up and took care of the problem I encoutered with my XPS 13 and it's quickly become my favorite laptop ever.

Great battery life, super portable, an external battery for long flights and an AMAZING screen. It even supports touch, which I don't use all the time, but find nice to have.

With either the Lenovo or Dell, make certain to add multi-year same or next day service. With Dell, it's easier to do that from their small business sections than from the home section. If you forget, just call and buy separately. I got my laptop from MS Store due to a sale then called and added 4 years to the warranty. While many rave about the genius bar, I find the "come to my home or office and fix this" experience far preferable.

<comment><USER8> Make sure you replace the worthless Broadcom wifi chip with an Intel. It's puzzling that Dell would cheap out on an otherwise excellent machine.

At least swapping them out is an easy job.

<comment><USER9> The Linux version has the Intel wifi by default. Only Windows version has the Broadcom.

<comment><USER8> Is that still true? I thought they'd changed that. I would have the developer edition myself, but I live in Australia and it's not available here.

The Broadcom chip is equally as bad in either windows or Linux in my experience.

<comment><USER9> The latest one (4th gen, late 2016, Kaby Lake) uses Killer Wireless (ath10k) for both Windows and Linux versions.

Under Linux it works, but from what I hear, it's very slow.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I was very disappointed too, however I've seen similar disappointments when Apple dropped CDROM, usb, audio jacks etc. Eventually everyone gets used to it, and admittedly they are trying to simplify the keyboard IMHO. I'm super happy to have bought a maxed out mbp15 before not too long ago, so I won't have to deal with the devices/adaptors market catching up to Apple. And BTW, looks like the disappointment is all around the keyboard. FWIW I use an external KB most of the time so I wouldn't care even if I upgraded and lose my Fx keys. Anyway Linux is not ready to replace MacOS simply because it lacks many apps, Windows...well that's a joke for your battery and its Bash implementation is still too young, let's see in 3 years from now. My 2 cents, ymmv

<comment><USER11> Yeah I've really yet to see a credible iTerm 2 like alternative on W10 even if WSL works out.

<comment><USER12> Assuming WSL works out, what do you find lacking?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I've been disappointed by the lack of true MacBook Pro 15 alternatives, and it doesn't seem like Lenovo offers one in the ThinkPad line, either.

What I want: Quad-core CPU, decent-ish discrete graphics, a great screen, a somewhat compact case that doesn't weight a ton.

What I get: An endless supply of 13" ultrabooks, 6+ lb. gaming laptops with 2 hour batteries that sound like an airline taking off on startup, sub-$800 junkers, and the "mobile workstation" that still has an optical drive.

Afaik, only the XPS 15 and Razor Blade (14") really come close to the sweet spot. The XPS 15 is still awaiting its Skylake update, and the Razor, while nice, is a bit too gamey for me.

Of course, I'd want to run Linux and with the mishmash that is the current state of linux HiDPI support and uncertain future of Weyland nvidia and ati drivers, I'm not really sure where that leaves me.

<comment><USER14> XPS 15 9550 has Skylake: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_XPS#XPS_15_.28Touch.29.5B...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_XPS#XPS_15_.28Touch.29.5B20.5D_.289530.2F9550.29)

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> There are many good hardware choices at this point in order to replace a Macbook. What is entirely not clear is what _software_ to use to replace a Macbook.

<comment><USER16> This is why I'm probably going to opt for a maxed out 2015 Macbook Pro. Yes, I know I'm paying for "old" hardware but I don't use VMs or compile anything heavy so it should last me a while. After selling my current one it should come out to about $1000 so not too bad.

I'm just too invested in macOS in terms of apps, comfortableness, muscle memory, etc. I actually really like it as well.

<comment><USER4> I made the switch to Windows, and while it did require some research to ensure that my workflows stayed pretty much the same, it didn't take long at all (days, not weeks) to develop new muscle memory. I struggle using a Mac now.

Your real switching cost, however, is in your apps. If you're dependent on something that is Mac only, it is really, really hard to switch.

Most of my core apps are multiplatform (Sublime, Slack, 1Password, Evernote etc.) but I was concerned about Terminal and Aperture. Terminal was easily addressed by Cmder (and now you can use Window's Linux shell instead), and Apple EOL'ed Aperture, which meant I had to find a new RAW tool (I use DxO Optics Pro now, which is cross platform).

<comment><USER17> I really hope the Windows Subsystem for Linux continues being expanded; having Linux natively on Windows approaches the best of both worlds.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Since Lenovo preinstalled spyware/malware they can no longer be trusted.

<comment><USER19> the problem with this argument is that any manufacturer can be preinstalling spyware in the future and you won't know until it becomes public. Lenovo did but apparently stopped after it got caught. My point is that all OEM's are on the same boat.

<comment><USER20> Lenovo seems pretty unique and adding ugly hacks to their hardware (like disabling ACHI), and then changing the PCI ID of a "fake raid" chip. So not only does this break linux, but it also breaks the standard release of windows.

So even if you want to install MS Windows from official microsoft media, you can't.

Why would lenovo would disable AHCI (which breaks windows and linux), then mess with a fake RAID (despite having a single storage device).

Seems like Lenovo REALLY doesn't want consumers reinstalling the OS.... makes one wonder.

<comment><USER21> Wasn't it concluded that it was to reduce power usage, and it was Intel that didn't provide a Linux driver?

Edit: [http://lwn.net/Articles/701635/](http://lwn.net/Articles/701635/)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Thinkpads definitely get over-recommended on the internet, but I have been really pleased with my X220. I bought a corporate refurb on ebay a year ago for about $200. It has sailed along since then. Any problems I have I am confident I can repair and parts are cheap and plentiful. At one point I replaced the DC jack and WiFI card in an hour or two with a screwdriver and a youtube video (total cost: $25). It runs linux flawlessly with plenty of horsepower despite the 2012 era CPU. RAM is easily upgradeable and it has a 2nd drive bay.

If you are comfortable with putting together your own PC (which I suspect most of the HN audience is), you will get way more mileage out of it than buying a newish chromebook for a similar price. I've heard rumors of a "thinkpad classic" machine in the same form factor with an upgraded CPU, USB 3.0, and high res screen, which I would love.

<comment><USER23> I have an X201 sitting next to me. It could heat my office or dry my hair when idling. I wish I could just plop in a better cpu and keep the chassis.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> Lenvo sucks now too. Their flagship laptop, the T460s, now has a non-removable battery. Their shtick has always been "yes, it's a bit bigger and heavier than a MBP, but it's expandable!" Now the T460s isn't any more expandable than the 13" rMBP, and has a lot less battery life.

You can drop down to the T460, but it's not made of the same premium materials, and also doesn't even come with the high-resolution screen option. People are flipping out about the escape key, but Lenovo won't sell you a 14" laptop that has both a high-res display and a battery big enough to run it!

<comment><USER25> the T460s is the slim model, the flagship standard T460 still has a removable battery. They should make the S as thin as possible, so they can keep the standard model without compromise.

The s series is the compromised T460 for slimness, cant have it both ways.

<comment><USER24> The T460s is the flagship. It's built with better materials ([https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/466bb9/t460_vs_t4...](https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/466bb9/t460_vs_t460s_build_quality/d02tcnv)), and also has the WQHD display option which the T460 does not.

I'm not sure what it was like in older Thinkpads, but for the last few cycles (T450s, T440s), the 's' series has been strictly better: same guts, but lighter and thinner by virtue of a more expensive chassis. The "Carbon" series was always the "super thin and light" option.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> My recent experience with Lenovo shunned me away from Thinkpads for the foreseeable future and from Lenovo in general as a customer.

After placing an order for a Thinkpad that I needed urgently, they, without explanation or email canceled the order the next day.

Trying to contact customer service, I found out that their online chat employees have no access to customer order history, because "the functionality isn't there yet". Direct quote from support.

2 months later I got an email from them, asking how I like my purchase (7 weeks into using a Dell laptop)

Not to mention their site being unusable in 3/4 browsers I tried to order.

The level of incompetence from them is just staggering.

<comment><USER27> Seriously, why is their site such a trash fire? Across 4 computers I've not once seen it work well. I'm thinking about getting a new computer, but even though I loved my old x230 I'm not thinking about getting a lenovo now because I can't research the laptops on lenovos own site!

<comment><USER28> Yeah, the site is horrible. Everybody I know orders their Lenovos from resellers because of it (added bonus that you can get better/cheaper configurations Lenovo doesn't sell, swap 3G modules for extra SSDs and stuff like that)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> Lenovo lost me when the did the exact same mistake and decided to replace the exceptional Thinkpad keyboard for an inferior one.

<comment><USER30> Despite not being as good as the old IBM keyboards, can you name a laptop with a better one? It seems all the manufacturers make terrible keyboards.

<comment><USER31> The Razer Blade Pro has a mechanical keyboard: [http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade- pro](http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-pro)

<comment><USER32> it's also 17", has an nvidia 1080 (!) and comes with 32gb of RAM, that is definitely the type of specs that would be nice to have in a development machine... wonder what the battery life will be for it as there are currently no reviews available yet that I could find.

<comment><USER33> I don't think the machine is out yet, which probably explains the lack of reviews.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> > Eventually everyone gets used to it, and admittedly they are trying to > simplify the keyboard IMHO

No, not everyone. I remember the time Apple "simplified" Final Cut Pro "X". The professional users moved on to other products and never looked back.

<comment><USER35> This seems rather a generalisation. I wonder how true this really is.

</comment></comment><comment><USER36> The glory days of the IBM T-series are over and I can't trust Lenovo to not spy on me, so I moved on from Thinkpads. My ASUS Zenbook has been a nice change of pace and I'd recommend it to anyone looking to get away from the Apple ecosystem. Windows has improved a good bit since I last worked in it ~5 years ago and while not nearly perfect, Bash on Windows by Ubuntu or whatever they call it is a pretty solid replacement for Putty :)

</comment><comment><USER37> "I need to edit video or do other work that is CPU and memory intensive

A laptop is not for you. Here's PCPartPicker. Build your own desktop. It's like Lego, but for adults."

Yeah, cool, let me know when I can take a desktop in my hand luggage. There are people who legitimately need a lot of CPU power and lots of ram in a laptop - and there are products for them ( [http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,270,0)ec](http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure\(2,270,0\)ec) ) being dismissive is not helpful.

</comment><comment> vladimir-y Lenovo laptops suck more than Apple, they not even able to plug Thunderbolt 3 port into the laptop, not a single port. No frame less laptops like Dell XPS or HP Spectre x360 (both have been recently updated to the Kaby Lake CPU). Lenovo is outsider.

</comment><comment><USER38> Nuff said. [1]

[1] [http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/19/technology/security/lenovo-s...](http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/19/technology/security/lenovo- superfish/)

</comment><comment><USER39> Just get a Razer Blade. It's the same weight and form factor as a MBP, but black and with a real GPU.

Run Windows 10 if you just want to get work done, or Debian or something if you need metal Linux (as opposed to VMs)

<comment><USER27> Also take a look at the razor blade stealth for something cheaper, if you don't need a dedicated graphics card. (although you can hook up a razer core if you need one)

<comment><USER20> Ugh, wish they did the same thing as apple. Use the previous generation skylake with a decent GPU. qhd (let along 4k) is quite a few pixels for such a weak GPU.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> Anyone tried have one of the new razer blade stealths? I'm eyeing one (16gb, kaby lake i7, 500+gb ssd) for 1400, and curious what others experiences are.

</comment><comment><USER40> I made a fair attempt to work on MacBook Pro a year ago and was underwhelmed.

Glitches aside, i felt like Apple is trying to convert me to their religion and the view of the world through Apple's glasses. After about 6 month of struggle and I am happy Pro Lenovo user.

Having said that - Apple's smartphone offerings are superb and intuitive - exactly how it should be.

<comment><USER41> > felt like Apple is trying to convert me to their religion and the view of > the world through Apple's glasses

I regularly use both macOS and Windows, and I don't see what you mean. Can you elaborate?

</comment></comment><comment><USER42> Lenovo installs malware by default, so nope.

</comment><comment><USER43> I said this in another thread. Will say it again.

Whenever your boss comes and asks you "What would you like to be your primary machine?". I bet you will reply "Latest MacBook Pro". Yeah sure it will be kinda hard for you with 16 gigs of RAM, but nonetheless much easier than having a Hackintosh.

<comment><USER44> >I bet you will reply "Latest MacBook Pro".

My reply was a Razer Stealth, but I was told I had to get an Apple. So, I'm getting a $2800 dual core laptop, because I need F-keys. At least I'll be allowed to install Linux on it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER45> +1 on the XPS 15. Windows 10 with "Bash for Windows"/WSL flies and looks amazing. I think Dell's work with any Linux distro as well. Buy from the MS store and you get a clean version of Windows.

Edit: New Surfacebook also looks nice.

<comment><USER46> Buy from the Microsoft Store and you may get a bios-locked laptop that can only run Windows 10.

[https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_micro...](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/)

<comment><USER47> If you're going to link that, I would suggest also reading the stickied reply by a moderator of that subreddit[1] that refutes many of the points made by the OP.

[1] [https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_micro...](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/d7wekux/)

<comment><USER46> My mistake. And thanks for the correction! I read of the story when it broke a few weeks back, and honestly it didn't surprise me one bit at the time (were Microsoft have attempted such a maneuver). I quickly posted the link without following up on the story... only to realize the err in my ways. Good looking out. Cheers ;)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER48> I'm growing so tired and weary of complaining and the continuous cycle of outraged on the internet. The latest example is Apple and the new MacBooks.

Tim, this is why leadership of companies at the top by "committee" doesn't work. You need a strong leader (type A) that is a dictator to silence the masses and guide the company forward. Otherwise, you get a million different voices speaking up thinking they are somehow instantly experts in a field.

</comment><comment><USER49> These are all entirely fair points. I agree ThinkPads offer better value for the money in terms of hardware.

But I care a lot more about the OS and the software I use than the relative price value of the hardware I'm using.

OS X is a far superior operating system from Windows. Even if Lenovo offered computers twice as fast for half the price I won't switch until the user experience of Windows improves.

</comment><comment><USER50> Was thinking about Lenovo X series 3 years ago... until I've found out that their IPS display is not that good, it's comparable with a good Macbook Air display (although that is a TN one). For the price of a new X series better get a Macbook Air, it's the more comparable one (also nearly same price region) to Lenovo than the Macbook Pro (this is another league).

<comment><USER51> What about the razed blade stealth? It seems fantastic but I don't know anyone using it.

<comment><USER50> wow, the razor blade stealth looks actually incredible from first view. But... my requirement was either Linux or macOS. I don't use Windows for anything (and I'm not a gamer).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER52> I have a W550S that is the best laptop I've ever owned... and I think I've had at least 15 laptops, two of which were Macs

</comment><comment><USER53> Such a good timing. I've been using Macs for over ten years now, but I bought an x220 for $130 a couple of weeks ago and it's been my favorite laptop yet. Super serviceable and works so well with Ubuntu MATE. The display sucks though (didn't get the UPS version). Just go ahead!

</comment><comment><USER54> I've been on x220T/x230T for 3 years now. These are wonderful computers!

</comment><comment><USER55> My dream laptop:

\- Remove the function keys, remove escape, and all other ancient stuff like Sys Rq and Pause / Break, remove arrow keys, remove Page Up etc. Swap the places of the trackpad and the keyboard so the keyboard is closer to me and the mouse is farther away. I use the former most of the time, and it's more ergonomical that way.

\- No moving parts; have a 64GB SSD disk, a 4-8GB RAM, a decent CPU that supports virtualisation, open-source compatible hardware (i.e. run any Linux and any BSD systems on it, OpenBSD for me, especially), no cam or mic, generally no recording devices, have a decent speaker, USB ports, two jacks, one for the mic one for the earphones.

\- Thin, light, 15.6"-13" in size.

\- Battery that guarantees me at least 3-4 hrs of time, under load. Weight or thinness can be compromised to achieve that.

<comment><USER56> Well I guess I finally know who this was made for: [http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/31/4380132/acer- aspire-r7-rev...](http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/31/4380132/acer- aspire-r7-review)

<comment><USER55> Thanks a lot! I'll see if it's any good in hardware and if it's possible to swap some things out if need be. I'm curious why home-row-all-the-time people weren't interested in this, as the palm-resting because of the large gap between the closer edge of the laptop and the keyboard is not really ergonomic.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER57> I often read about happy x220 and x230 users, but the newer x240/x250/x260 are not mentioned as much. Did the build quality decline after Lenovo took over?

<comment><USER58> Keyboards after the x220 are chiclet, which is sacrilege to most ThinkPad users (me included). x240 really messed up the mouse buttons that you'd use with the TrackPoint: they're touch instead of click and poorly executed. x250 and x260 fix that problem more or less, and the keyboard on the x260 is appreciably better than the x240, but it's still chiclet.

The main draw of the ThinkPad is that it's an unparalleled input system (TrackPoint means never leaving the home row, keyboards are second to none), they're very tough, have great battery life, very serviceable, and you can get amazing deals on eBay or through outlet/refurbishing. If you go with the X series, they're also the only < 13" machines that have replaceable batteries, a full complement of ports, reasonable specs, etc. In other words, they're the perfect dev machine. The cons are pretty bad screens, thickness, and relatively poor trackpads.

</comment></comment><comment><USER59> If I get one, I'm installing Linux, FreeBSD, or OpenBSD on it. ME is bad enough, and I don't trust Lenovo after what they did.

</comment><comment><USER60> Was really interested in reading this until.. "ditches the Escape key for a dedicated emoji bar".

<comment><USER20> There's a model with a normal keyboard, including esc. Even features a 10% larger battery and saves $200.

<comment><USER9> It also comes with only 2 USB ports, out of which you need one for charging.

<comment><USER20> So? Generally you are either at a desk (often with a display, keyboard, and mouse), or you are traveling lighter and don't need to connect many usb devices.

So for each desk get a widget that takes a tb3/usb-c connection and connects to your mouse/monitor/keyboard.

Basically an instant dock. If you really hook up more than one device, travel light, _AND_ need more than 10 hours a day buy a little usb hub.

I suspect over 95% of laptop use is either at a desk or requires less than 2 USB-C/tb3 ports.

<comment><USER9> Nowadays, TB2 hubs are not cheap (200-300 EUR) and I don't expect TB3 to be cheap either. Just USB3 hub does not cut it, it will be a while until you will be able to connect displays using USB3.

Even today, I'm using two TB2 ports and one USB port (i.e. three ports on the computer) because: 1 x miniDP (no, most displays are not TB2 native and cannot daisy-chain with other TB devices), 1 x ethernet adapter (the Apple one cannot daisy-chain either), and USB hub for the rest.

<comment><USER20> New (granted not quite shipping) hubs/docks sound like $100 or so. You sit down, connect the tb3/usbc cable and your mouse, keyboard, and display works. Of course your laptop is getting charged as well.

Preorder for $105 [http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/28/13453274/a...](http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/28/13453274/arc- hub-bourge-design-usb-c-port-apple-macbook)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER61> my goto is used thinkpads—the X220 vs T420 was a tough call. Went with T420; even though X220 is a bit more portable and nicer in a few attributes, just felt the 12.5in panel not ideal for complex app UIs, whereas 14in is pretty comfortable with any work environment I can throw at it.

</comment><comment><USER62> I hab an x220. Such a cool machine. EBay has them for 160 euros, i might just get one as a travel system.

</comment><comment><USER63> I really miss the ThinkLight in new Thinkpads. It's so convenient.

</comment><comment><USER61> Why did they recommend the T400 over the T420?

<comment><USER9> Due to Intel Management Engine - basically a binary blob, that you don't know what it is doing.

T400 is Core 2 Duo machine and works without IME. T420 is i5/i7 machine and IME is a requirement and you cannot make a BIOS replacement without it.

<comment><USER61> I didn't know people felt that stongly about arbitrary binary blobs. I know this is hackaday and open hardware and all, but if im going to be worried about binary blobs im going to be worried about a ton of netsec related stuff in other boxes too. Just wonderin' who this is really biting, assuming the intended individual was _also_ already a closed-source, secretive apple fan.

<comment><USER9> It's not an arbitrary binary blob. It's blob that's running at SMM level. A perfect place for rootkits.

<comment><USER61> There was an article the other day about a man who lets his children go on the top of his roof. He made a calculation that the probability that harm would occur was low enough to be acceptable. I do a much similar thing; will follow up with you if/when my bios gets rooted.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER64> Lenovo has some nice hardware, I used it for years, but the problem is that their own software is unusable and the OS options are lagging, at least for me.

Yes you can install Linux, but I'm not going to pay a premium price to then spend my time hunting down the correct drivers and in the end still have some hardware not supported.

Either all of the hardware that I paid for is fully supported by some Linux distribution and on top of that I don't have to lift a finger to keep it updated or I'm not buying at that price.

I pay and you solve my problems, not I pay and you deliver me a bunch of new problems that I'll have to tinker with.

That's really why I switched to Mac's. I'm also not terribly convinced by the new touchpad, but maybe it'll grow on me.</comment>


What Is an iPhone? - <AUTHOR> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/509406/what-is-an-iphone/

<comment><AUTHOR> I use my smartphone as a super-PDA. I have had PDAs for 15 or more years (Palm Pilots of various flavors followed by an Nokia n800). The Nokia n800 was great having a full linux computer in my pocket, but was bulky.

I now carry a Nexus One (going on three years) and it is nearly perfect:

* Excellent size and weight (similar to the Palm Pilot Vx, which was my previous ideal form factor)

* Super PDA that also has good data connectivity over the cell network (T-Mobile sucks outside of major cities).

* Excellent functionality: nice color display for its size. Between Google Docs (problematic if no data coverage) and Dropbox (works great detached for the internet), I can organize my life via text files in Dropbox or spreadsheets in GDocs as well as the calendar app for reminders.

* Being able to access the internet for Google and Wikipedia for general information and RSS feeds (and Google News) for keeping up with news is tremendously useful.

* Can even be used as a phone! ;-)

The only part I miss with my Nexus One is that Android mostly buries linux, especially with it missing X11, a terminal window, and Bluetooth HID (the n800 had X11 quirks, but it was there as well as xterm, and BT HID for a real keyboard).

</comment><comment><USER2> I think I'm missing something. This article seems to be the context behind self-exploration with none of the enlightenment that should come with self- exploration i.e. no substance.

There also seems to be some needless theorizing about the iPhone's WiFi capabilities. Can you receive texts/calls, is an iPhone like an iPod touch? Most people here can answer these questions.

With a title like "What Is an iPhone," I'd expect the author to actually write what an iPhone means to him.</comment>


Intelligence is overrated....What you really need to succeed - <AUTHOR> http://www.forbes.com/sites/keldjensen/2012/04/12/intelligence-is-overrated-what-you-really-need-to-succeed/

<comment><USER2> Fairly light article but it makes a point I keep trying to mentor my geek friends on all the time. I often say "I'm just dumb enough to be successful". We all know really smart high IQ people who float with their heads in the clouds and never get anything done.

Another real issue in technology is that technologists have a real tendency to think the rest of the world is full of idiots because they can't code. That causes all sorts of sad and frustrating situations. We all have to realize that intelligence can't be judged by your ability to code or how many languages you can code in. I code across many systems, many languages and have done that for 30 years now and I have met many brilliant people who have a hard time using their iPhone. Often my partnerships and relationships with those people have proven to be some of the more rewarding relationships I've had in my life.</comment>


New York Fed: Building a Fast, Flexible and Free DSGE Model in Julia - one-more-minute http://www.centralbanking.com/central-banking/news/2458174/building-a-fast-flexible-and-free-dsge-model <comment><AUTHOR> Repository: [https://github.com/FRBNY-DSGE/DSGE.jl](https://github.com/FRBNY- DSGE/DSGE.jl)

DSGE, of course, is Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_stochastic_general_equ...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_stochastic_general_equilibrium)</comment>


Show HN: App that uses ML to detect pictures of Kanye West smiling - <AUTHOR> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.wavy.ye <comment><USER2> > Get a push notification every time happy Kanye West is spotted

Where does it look for pictures?</comment>