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Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 11:00 AM)GoingUp Wrote:(01-07-2016 10:55 AM)Grasshopper Wrote: Mark's analogy is quite applicable to the Gospels. The three synoptic Gospels share many passages that are word-for-word identical -- not just speaking of the same events, but doing so in the exact same words. This means that they either copied from each other, or they all copied from a common source, or both. And that fits Mark's analogy.
I am not a Mythicist, and I think that Jesus was a real teacher whose followers embellished his story over time to create (in the course of the next century) the version of Christianity that became the Canon, when the bishops voted on what was and wasn't orthodoxy.
As for "multiple witnesses", we have nothing of the sort that you are claiming.
You have admitted yourself that the Gospels are not reliable sources, and we have readily covered the reasons why that would be, so I'll leave that alone... I will only add that the hypothetical Q-document from which the other Synoptic Gospels seem to be sourced does not make Jesus a magic man, but a teacher of kindness and wisdom. I can accept this version as real, despite the hypothetical nature, because it's based on comparing the Synoptics in a way that compares the stories' DNA (so to speak) and thereby excludes the later additions.
The other sources you reference (as does every apologist), Josephus and Tacitus, are not eyewitness reports, as neither was born at the time. That means they got their information from hearsay accounts, a generation removed. Since we already know the story was being expanded and embellished over time, it's hardly surprising that the version they picked up a generation or two later was the embellished version.
Tacitus is often claimed to make a direct reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate, but reading the passage makes it clear that he is merely explaining to his audience exactly what a Christian is, including their belief in an executed savior, since he is describing how they were blamed by Nero for the fires in Rome to distract the people from his political machinations. I have seen several allude to Tacitus' usual practice of noting when he is using non-reliable sources, but it is not necessary for a simple "oh by the way" sentence, such as the infamous reference to Pilate. As you know, the Romans recorded nearly everything, and even if the records had been lost to history, we can still ask the question of whether Tacitus had the records before him as an outside source, rather than working from hearsay.
Had Tacitus been working from official Roman records of the execution, it is unlikely he would have made the mistake of referring to Pilate as the Procurator of Judea, rather than the Prefect. It may seem like a small error to make, but Prefect is a military governor's designation, while Procurator (the same Latin root from which we get the verb "to procure") was essentially "the official tax collector for the Empire". Procurators were not allowed to rule over Judea until 44 C.E., by official edict. The obvious conclusion is that Tacitus was just repeating the testimony that he was given by the soon-to-be-executed, second-generation Roman Christians of whom he is speaking in the passage, as to what they considered their own identity... including worship of a Roman-executed savior. By the time of Tacitus' life, the governor of Judea was a Procurator, so it's unlikely he'd have thought twice about the error in the face of testimony to that effect, and we see the Christians' error repeated in the words of Tacitus. This would not have been true if he had been reading a document.
As nearly every scholar now admits, the Josephus passage that refers to the execution of Jesus, the Testimonium Flavianum, is heavily interpolated, and the "historical" elements may even have been added almost entirely out of whole cloth by Eusebius, a bishop working two centuries later, who had openly admitted he considered pious fraud, or "lying for Jesus" (as we call it), to be acceptable practice. That Jesus was mentioned, minus the interpolations, was previously detailed by Bishop Origen, when he complained that Josephus seems not to have noticed the special nature of Jesus.
I conclude that it is more likely than not that there was a real apocalyptic preacher named Yeshua, whose followers considered him an "annointed one" (a Teacher of Righteousness), and who was executed for sedition, forcing them to do theological somersaults in order to keep believing what they did. Under these high-stress circumstances, it's hardly surprising that we see the rise of the magical Jesus tales in the religion that would become Christianity. The problem is that once we reject the magical elements of the story, there becomes zero reason to care about the existence of a random apocalyptic preacher in Judea in the opening years of the first century. It is only the culture of Christianity, always expanding and adding new bits (the most recent seems to be their decision that God hates abortions, for some reason), that makes it even remotely relevant.
May I recommend this neutral article (by Christian authors) on the ways in which the story is demonstrably embellished, and how we know that it was?
The Strange Ending of the Gospel of Mark, and Why It Makes All the Difference
"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 12:26 PM)GoingUp Wrote:(01-07-2016 12:13 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote: As I said, you totally missed the point. It's NOT ABOUT YOU. The people who sentenced the women to death, thought it was reasonable to do it. THAT is the point. It's about what THEY thought was reasonable. Not you. Not me.
"It is virtually unanimous that Jesus existed."
Ah...no. You are out of touch.
But let's say "he" did exist. What's your point? Who do you think "he" was? What is "his" relevance to you and to the world? Why do you get so worked up about people who think he didn't exist?
I live on the opposite side of the world to you. I may or may not have a pet dog. I hazard a bet you don't give a toss one way or the other. Why is this Jesus any different to my possibly non existent dog?
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RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 01:23 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:(01-07-2016 01:06 PM)GoingUp Wrote: Well now, aren't you just desperate to dispense ad hominems?
You and I are done.
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RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 01:50 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:(01-07-2016 01:24 PM)GoingUp Wrote: It's obvious you are misusing the Historian's Fallacy position, as it appears you do not understand how it applies.
Not at all. The concept of witchcraft in the 16th century mainly applied to women, and accused these women of conjuring up evil spirits et al.
I am projecting nothing from this century into that century. Nothing whatsoever.
Your accusation is false, and amounts to nothing more than an attempt to detract from the point, which you still have not addressed.
Quote:Quote:It's all about an evaluation of evidence pertaining to what is reasonable, and what is not reasonable.
Reasonable to any reasonable person.
Your accusations of a fallacy are in effect fallacies themselves. You are trying to insist that any evaluation of history must, by necessity, employ the Historian's Fallacy, which you do not even understand.
What you so desperately appear to be trying to do is accuse me of is something called "Presentism," another fallacy somewhat related to the Historian's Fallacy, but even that doesn't apply here.
Your analogy of the Salem Witch Hunts in comparison to the existence of Jesus of Nazareth is false on every level.
Quote:Quote:It is not reasonable to accept that people actually observed the practice of real witchcraft magic.
THEY can think whatever THEY want. It changes nothing whatsoever in regards to your misuse of the analogy. You are trying the Apples and Oranges fallacy, which is a false comparison because there is no comparison.
Did people believe that those women were witches? Yes.
Did people believe that Jesus was a magic man? Yes.
Now, that is the only valid comparison between the two, but the question here does not involve THAT comparison. The question here is one of the existence of Jesus as an actual human being. So ...
Did people believe- that those women who were accused of being witches- were actual living persons? Yes.
Did people who believed that Jesus was a magic man also believe he existed as a human being? Yes.
And now another ...
The people in Salem embellished the lives of ordinary people by claiming them to be witches.
The people of Judea embellished the life of an ordinary man by claiming him to be a magic man.
There's the only reasonable and logical comparison you can make from the two.
But what you cannot reasonably and logically do is make a false comparison in which you attempt to show how the Salem Witch Hunts can contradict the existence of a human person.
Quote:Quote:It is perfectly reasonable to accept that people claim that another person existed as a mere human being.
Sure they did, and so did the people at the Salem Witch Hunts, but nobody disputes the fact that the accused in the Salem Witch Hunts existed, now do they?
Quote:Quote:Using your standard, should we then claim that nobody was ever executed in Salem because witchcraft isn't real, and thereby those supposedly executed persons didn't exist?
It doesn't matter in the slightest if there's better evidence or not, because the two cannot be fairly compared.
False analogy.
Quote:Quote:Your double standard is very obvious, and indicative of your extreme distaste for religion insomuch as your judgement is clearly flawed.
I have read your posts on this forum before I signed up.
I got you pegged correctly.
Quote:"In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary".[18] Robert E. Van Voorst states that biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted."
He can be as serious as he wants, but he will never be taken seriously by the scholarly community.
He doesn't even get mentioned.
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(29-06-2016 07:48 PM)GoingUp Wrote:(20-06-2016 12:11 PM)seoq Wrote: I have a few questions and I apologize in advance if they're hard to understand.
Welcome aboard!!!
No, by the way, you are conclusively wrong on all accounts, allow me to elaborate. Ex xtian here by the way, both parents ministers, and I have a degree in religious studies with specialization in Christianity from Saint Leo University so I am fluent in the woo.
No one who ever wrote of jesus, actually knew him. When you learn this, and validate this, it throws the whole Christianity belief basis out the window, thus discrediting it. Lets look at this real quick..
The epistles were written after the mythical jesus's death;
1) paul - written about 60 C.E., of the 13, he actually wrote 8. See the bottom where I get into Paul a bit more.
2) James - Epistle of James mentions Jesus only once as an introduction to his belief. Nowhere does the epistle reference a historical Jesus and this alone eliminates it from an historical account.
3) Peter - Many scholars question the authorship of Peter of the epistles. Even within the first epistle, it says in 5:12 that Silvanus wrote it. Most scholars consider the second epistle as unreliable or an outright forgery. The unknown authors of the epistles of Peter wrote long after the life of the traditional Peter. Moreover, Peter lived (if he ever lived at all) as an ignorant and illiterate peasant (even Acts 4:13 attests to this). In short, no one has any way of determining whether the epistles of Peter come from fraud, an author claiming himself to know what Peter said (hearsay), or from someone trying to further the aims of the Church. Encyclopedias usually describe a tradition that Saint Peter wrote them. However, whenever you see the word "tradition" it refers to a belief passed down within a society. In other words: hearsay. This is the definition of Pseudepigrapha; a book written in a biblical style and ascribed to an author who did not write it.
4) Jude - Even early Christians argued about its authenticity. It quotes an apocryphal book called Enoch as if it represented authorized Scripture. Biblical scholars do not think it possible for the alleged disciple Jude to have written it because whoever wrote it had to have written it during a period when the churches had long existed. Like the other alleged disciples, Jude would have lived as an illiterate peasant and unable to write (much less in Greek) but the author of Jude wrote in fluent high quality Greek..more forgery.
Then there are the non-christian sources as follows;
1) Josephus Flavius, (37–100 CE) the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus' short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus' birth in 37 C.E. (well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus), puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written. Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay.
Josephus, a prolific and comprehensive Jewish historian, who would frequently write a few pages on the execution of common Jewish thieves, has not one authentic line that mentions Yeshua. "He" does mention "Christ" on two occasions, yet both have been convincingly exposed as interpolations.
2) Pliny the Younger (born: 62 C.E.) His letter about the Christians only shows that he got his information from Christian believers themselves. Regardless, his birth date puts him out of range as an eyewitness account.
3) Tacitus, the Roman historian's birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a "Christus" in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus' mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts.
4) Suetonius, a Roman historian, born in 69 C.E., mentions a "Chrestus," a common name. Apologists assume that "Chrestus" means "Christ" (a disputable claim). But even if Seutonius had meant "Christ," it still says nothing about an earthly Jesus. Just like all the others, Suetonius' birth occurred well after the purported Jesus. Again, only hearsay.
5) Talmud: Amazingly some Christians use brief portions of the Talmud, (a collection of Jewish civil a religious law, including commentaries on the Torah), as evidence for Jesus. They claim that Yeshu in the Talmud refers to Jesus. However, this Yeshu, according to scholars depicts a disciple of Jehoshua Ben-Perachia at least a century before the alleged Christian Jesus or it may refer to Yeshu ben Pandera, a teacher of the 2nd centuy CE. Regardless of how one interprets this, the Palestinian Talmud didn't come into existence until the 3rd and 5th century C.E., and the Babylonian Talmud between the 3rd and 6th century C.E., at least two centuries after the alleged crucifixion. At best it can only serve as a controversial Christian or Jewish legend; it cannot possibly serve as evidence for a historical Jesus.
6) Thallus/africanus, In the ninth century a Byzantine writer named George Syncellus quoted a third-century Christian historian named Sextus Julius Africanus, who quoted an unknown writer named Thallus on the darkness at the crucifixion: 'Thallus in the third book of his history calls this darkness an eclipse of the sun, but in my opinion he is wrong.' All of the works of Africanus are lost, so there is no way to confirm the quote or to examine its context. We have no idea who Thallus was, or when he wrote. Third century would have put him being born long after jesus's alleged death, thus hearsay.
7) Phlegon of Tralles was a Greek writer and freedman of the emperor Hadrian, who lived in the 2nd century AD. case closed, more hearsay, born after the alleged jesus's death.
Christian apologists mostly use the above sources for their "evidence" of Jesus because they believe they represent the best outside sources. All other sources (Christian and non-Christian) come from even less reliable sources, some of which include: Mara Bar-Serapion (circa 73 C.E.), Ignatius (50 - 98? C.E.), Polycarp (69 - 155 C.E.), Clement of Rome (? - circa 160 C.E.), Justin Martyr (100 - 165 C.E.), Lucian (circa 125 - 180 C.E.), Tertullian (160 - ? C.E.), Clement of Alexandria (? - 215 C.E.), Origen (185 - 232 C.E.), Hippolytus (? - 236 C.E.), and Cyprian (? - 254 C.E.). As you can see, all these people lived well after the alleged death of Jesus. Not one of them provides an eyewitness account, all of them simply spout hearsay.
So when we consider that during times of miraculous events, no one AT THE TIME thought they were significant enough to even write down, it kind of of makes a thinking person contemplate the validity of a story told and written down based on myth and hearsay 60-150 years later..For example;
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Luke 23:44-48 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Unfortunately, there is not one shred of evidence that this happened...zero, all of the royal scribes, historians, philosophers, and literate people who wrote down and recorded EVERYTHING of any significance, failed to note the whole earth going dark mid-day for three hours...an eclipse lasts about 7.5 mins max, so it wasn't that....nothing, .....zero. Never happened.
Another example:
Matthew 27:51-53
King James Version (KJV)
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Again…no one thought a zombie invasion was worthy of writing down…seems rather odd.
When you research authorship of each book of the bible, you find out they were not written by whom you think, which makes them suspect for any level of validity. Let's look at the gospels a bit more…
Writings of the Gospels: Mark (60 to 75 CE), Matthew (80 to 90 CE), Luke (80 to 90 CE based on the Gospels of Mark), and John (80 to 110 CE) (Albl 283). I have shown before in various venues the issues with the Gospels, the fact that we don't know who wrote the gospels, the community effort that put them together, and the fact that they don't agree with one another, all of which make them a suspect source of empirical evidence. When one posits a super natural, extraordinary story, one requires extraordinary evidence....sadly it doesn't exist, except philosophically.
Matthew: generally believed to have been composed between 70 and 110, with most scholars preferring the period 80–90; a pre-70 date remains a minority view. The anonymous author was probably a highly educated Jew, intimately familiar with the technical aspects of Jewish law, and the disciple Matthew was probably honored within his circle. The author drew on three main sources to compose his gospel: the Gospel of Mark; the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source; and material unique to his own community, called "Special Matthew", or the M source. Note the part where I said...disciple matthew honored...and anonymous writer.
I find it interesting that the writer of matthew refers to "matthew" in the third person. Matthew claims jesus was born in "the days of herod the king." Yet Herod died in 4 BCE. Luke reports that jesus was born "when Cyrenius (Quirinius) was governor of Syria." Cyrenius became governor of Syria in 6 CE...that is a discrepancy of 9 years. Luke says Jesus was born during a roman census, and it is true there was a census in 6 CE. This would have been when jesus was 9 years old according to matthew. There is no evidence of an earlier census during the reign of Augustine. Which is true?
Matthew also reports that Herod slaughtered all first born in the land in order to execute jesus. No historian, contemporary or later, ever mentions this alleged genocide, an event that should have caught someones attention....like the many miraculous stories of jesus, no one at the time thought they were cool enough to record...odd don't you think?
Mark: Most modern scholars reject the tradition which ascribes it to Mark the Evangelist, the companion of Peter, and regard it as the work of an unknown author working with various sources including collections of miracle stories, controversy stories, parables, and a passion narrative. Mark is the oldest of the synoptic gospels, of which the authors of matthew, and luke based their stories. All scholars agree that the last 12 verses of Mark, are highly dubious and are considered interpolations. The earliest ancient documents of mark end right after the women find the empty tomb. This means that in the first biography, on which the others based their reports, there is no post-resurrection appearance or ascension of jesus.
Luke: Tradition holds that the text was written by Luke the companion of Paul (named in Colossians 4:14). However, many modern scholars reject this view. The most probable date for Luke-Acts is around 80-100 CE, the anonymous author using as his sources the Gospel of Mark, a sayings collection called Q, and some unique Lukan material called the L source.
The author is not named in either volume. According to a Church tradition dating from the 2nd century, he was the Luke named as a companion of Paul in three of the letters attributed to Paul himself; this view is still sometimes advanced, but "a critical consensus emphasizes the countless contradictions between the account in Acts and the authentic Pauline letters." (An example can be seen by comparing Acts' accounts of Paul's conversion (Acts 9:1-31, 22:6-21, and 26:9-23) with Paul's own statement that he remained unknown to Christians in Judea after that event (Galatians 1:17-24).)
He admired Paul, but his theology was significantly different from Paul's on key points and he does not (in Acts) represent Paul's views accurately. In summary, the Gospel of Luke was written by an anonymous author. The Gospel wasn't written and does not claim to be written by direct witnesses to the reported events.
He was educated, a man of means, probably urban, and someone who respected manual work, although not a worker himself; this is significant, because more high-brow writers of the time looked down on the artisans and small business-people who made up the early church of Paul and were presumably Luke's audience.
Most experts date the composition of Luke-Acts to around 80-90 CE, although some suggest 90-110. The eclipse of the traditional attribution to Luke the companion of Paul has meant that an early date for the gospel is now rarely put forward. There is evidence, both textual (the conflicts between Western and Alexandrian manuscript families) and from the Marcionite controversy (Marcion was a 2nd-century heretic who produced his own version of Christian scripture based on Luke's gospel and Paul's epistles) that Luke-Acts was still being substantially revised well into the 2nd century.
John: The gospel identifies its author as "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Although the text does not name this disciple, by the beginning of the 2nd century, a tradition had begun to form which identified him with John the Apostle, one of the Twelve (Jesus' innermost circle). Although some notable New Testament scholars affirm traditional Johannine scholarship, the majority do not believe that John or one of the Apostles wrote it, and trace it instead to a "Johannine community" which traced its traditions to John.
paul - written about 60 C.E., of the 13, he actually wrote 7: (Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon). 2 of them (Ephesians, Colossians) scholars are divided on their authenticity, and of course 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, and Titus are pseudepigrapha. Not a single instance in any of Paul's writings claims that he ever meets or sees an earthly Jesus, nor does Paul give any reference to Jesus' life on earth (except for a few well known interpolations - Bible interpolation, or Bible redaction, is the art of adding stuff to the Bible). Therefore, all accounts about a Jesus could only have come from other believers or his imagination. Hearsay.
There's no indication from Scripture that Paul and Jesus ever met before the Damascus Road incident. And Acts 9:4-7 doesn't specify whether the Lord's encounter with Paul was physical or not. It only says Paul saw a bright light and heard a voice. (hallucination/lie)The men with him heard a loud sound but didn't see anything. In subsequent re-tellings of the encounter Paul never indicated that He had actually seen Jesus at that time.
Various works cited or used:
Mueller, J.J., Theological Foundations: Concepts and Methods for Understanding the Christian Faith. Winona: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2011. Print.
Albl, Martin C. Reason, Faith, and Tradition: Explorations in Catholic Theology. Winona: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2009. Print.
The Catholic Study Bible: The New American Bible 2nd ed. Oxford: Oxford University press, Inc., 2011. Print.
Moule, C. F. D., The birth of the New Testament. New York: Harper & Row, 1962. Print
Lieu, Samuel N. C., and Montserrat, Dominic, Constantine: History, Historiography, and Legend. London: Routledge, 2002. Print.
O'Collins, Gerald, Christology: A Biblical, Historical, and Systematic Study of Jesus. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2009. Print.
Carrier, Richard, On the historicity of jesus: why we might have reason for doubt. Sheffield, England: Sheffield Phoenix press, 2014. Print.
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RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 01:24 PM)GoingUp Wrote:(01-07-2016 01:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote: Totally true. You're still committing the Historian's Fallacy.
You wrote
"Therefore, because Jesus was claimed by some of his followers to be some kind of a magic man,"
What is your evidence for this?
I don't think any of Jesus' "followers" ever thought he did magic. The author of James, who just may have been Jesus' brother, writes nothing about a magic Jesus. Nor does "Jude," possibly another brother.
Some anonymous writers, (the gospels' authors,) who never met a flesh and blood Jesus, wrote stories about him that contained magic, but they were not his "followers." They were employed by the gentile (ie non Jewish) world.
Do you know what a "Nazarene" was? Jesus' "followers" were Nazarenes. They were fundamentalist Jews, not Christians. Look it up.
PS Just now saw the above post from GWG. It is excellent. Please read it and read it again, and learn. The truth is beautiful.
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RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 05:33 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:(29-06-2016 07:48 PM)GoingUp Wrote: Of course there are.
Despite everything you wrote above, none of it explains why all these different historical texts from Christians, Jews, Romans, and non Christians depict this Jesus as someone who, at the very least, existed as a human being who was crucified by Pontius Pilate.
Since you are so well learned, then perhaps also you can explain to me how there is not one single historical document in existence that disputes the mere existence of this same Jesus as a mere human being?
Perhaps you would like to explain the comments of Celsus, which state:
"Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god."
So here we have historical validation from a non Christian about this same Jesus, depicting him as nothing more than a mere man who learned a few magic tricks in Egypt which enabled him to present himself as some kind of a god.
And what of Lucian of Samosata (115-200 A.D.) who wrote:
"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account ..."
So there we have two hostile accounts from two different people not far removed from the time of the crucifixion validating Jesus as one who existed as a man, with one mentioning his crucifixion.
How do you explain these comments from people who vigorously opposed the Christian religion, yet both validate the existence of this very same Jesus?
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 05:33 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:Quote:"Therefore, because Jesus was claimed by some of his followers to be some kind of a magic man,"
The Gospels.
Isn't that obvious?
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RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 06:36 PM)GoingUp Wrote:(01-07-2016 05:33 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote: What is your evidence for this?
Go back and read post 506. I think you might be embarrassed by your question.
PS I have spent 7 years in my spare time studying the origins of Christianity, and I have even written a book on the subject. (https://www.amazon.com/Over-Christianity...1492824313 ). You should at least pay me the respect of reading what I wrote.
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(01-07-2016 04:38 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:(01-07-2016 12:26 PM)GoingUp Wrote: And my point remains the same. What is more reasonable:
Really? Well, by all means please produce just 5 world renown history scholars currently living that claim Jesus to be a myth.
Quote:But let's say "he" did exist. What's your point? Who do you think "he" was? What is "his" relevance to you and to the world? Why do you get so worked up about people who think he didn't exist?
I am not worked up about that. Why would I be?
From what I see online, the arguments that he was a complete myth fly directly in the face of reason and the available evidence.
The position that he existed as a mere man who's life was embellished by many of his followers is far FAR more credible as it explains all the ancient texts from Christians, Jews, Romans, and others that all agree that he did- at the very least- exist as a human being. The fact that we also have ancient texts from people who vigorously opposed the religion of Christianity, yet confirm the existence of Jesus, is exceptionally good evidence to support his existence.
After all, if he didn't actually exist, why then wouldn't we see these very same people disputing his existence? Why do we not see one single ancient text anywhere that disputes his existence?
All available non-Christian historical evidence indicates and supports his existence.
There is no available non-Christian historical evidence to dispute his existence.
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I am getting weary of the abuse I sometimes receive for asking if an opening 2 bid is weak - when the profile does not say anything. Last night I was told to get off 'if I didn't understand basic bidding'.
The problem is I play standard UK ACOL which typically uses Strong 2s. Some people do not seem to realise that weak 2s are not universal.
Should I persist in asking or just assume that if there is nothing on the profile an opening 2 bid is weak?
Thank you
Posted 2013-August-07, 03:35
If you're used to Acol, I suggest playing in the Acol Club as much as possible. Sure, you don't get such a variety of opposing systems, but you're more likely to find opponents who will answer questions politely and more likely to find a partner who will play strong 2s with you (if that's your preference).
Posted 2013-August-07, 05:35
a good strategy.
Also alerting a strong 2, even if it is non alteratble in your enviroment is the
logical consequence of this.
2nd - If someone behaves like this mark him as enemy, over time you will filter out
the ones, you dont want to play against.
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Posted 2013-August-07, 05:48
I agree with Marlowe - mark 'em as enemy, and don't play with or against them again. Eventually you may filter out everybody except the three polite people on BBO, but it'll take you a while.
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Posted 2013-August-07, 08:42
I do play in the Acol club when I can but move to the main club when there is no one there.
I will assume weak 2s from now on.
I wasn't aware you can mark someone as an 'enemy' but will look into that for the future.
Posted 2013-August-08, 08:21
Posted 2013-August-08, 08:34
TylerE, on 2013-August-08, 08:21, said:
Well partner can't know that you asked. For all he knows, opener volunteered the alert. It wouldn't occur to me that an opp might click my opening bid as a way to conway info to his partner.
I would find it more likely that his partner would use the UI from the alert. But I see no reason to be paranoid about. Just assume that opps don't cheat. I am sure some opps cheat but most of them will find more effective ways of cheating than exchanging information through clicking on our bids.
Posted 2013-August-08, 09:14
Posted 2013-August-08, 09:28
Posted 2013-August-08, 09:38
Antrax, on 2013-August-08, 09:28, said:
you always can ask the opponents direct, not going via the table chat channel,
this is at least possible with the windows version, and I would be suprised,
if it is not possible with the flash version.
Finnally: Assuming no cheats, is certainly the right aproach.
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Posted 2013-August-08, 09:44
Antrax, on 2013-August-08, 09:28, said:
Unless East woke up and spontaneously gave a late alert/explanation before South called.
Perhaps you could try psyching a weak opening with a strong hand - give a late alert late - and have RHO use UI and make a thin protection ...
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Posted 2013-August-08, 12:03
The auction goes dumdedumdedum-3NT, with a bunch of Alerts because I'm playing a strong club system. No explanations asked for until before the opening lead, then 3♦ is asked about (and the popup happens to both defenders). OL finds a diamond lead into AQxxxx-and-an-entry. This one is avoidable by the simple ploy of auto-explaining (either 1 <explanation> club, or 1 ♣, click on the bid *yourself* and put in the explanation).
The auction goes dumdedumdedum-3NT, with no Alerts because it's all natural. No explanations asked for until before the opening lead, then 3♦ is asked about. After the "natural/trial bid/'natural, but could be only available call'" response, OL finds a diamond lead into AQxxxx-and-an-entry. This one's only avoidable by explaining all your natural bids, which is going to get a lot of other comments.
Compared to the UI passable at the table, this one's minor, but it sure happens a lot. And it's probably a WeaSeL-type agreement; the person really wants to know what it meant, because it's odd with his hand, and "partner asked? Oh, I didn't take that into account, I just led my safest suit". I'm sure *some* people do it with intent, but most don't, it's just magic how they find those leads.
Having said that, to the OP: There are a certain contingent of the online bridge world who knows what 'standard' is, and that everybody plays it unless they play something else; and 'standard' doesn't need to be explained'. That contingent is called "(North) Americans." Not all, by any stretch of the imagination; but the homogeneity of bidding in the ACBL (I've stolen OTBS from computer jargon to mean the "One True Bidding Style" before) is such that they really can't believe that an unAlerted 2♥ call would be *anything but* a weak 2, and nobody who can "play bridge" would believe otherwise (note: in the ACBL - not on BBO, but in the ACBL - a natural strong 2 *is* Alertable). They just haven't seen anything else in their own sheltered little world. Note that that doesn't make his response correct in any world.
There's nothing wrong with asking, but I'd do it in chat, so that it can be privately replied to and partner gets less UI. The problem is (either way, really) that it goes 2♥-"ask-and-pass" (or "long tank-and-pass" while you're asking and getting a response)-pass-balance, and the ask-and-passer shows up with a balanced 12 or so and the balance would be risky if second-and-third's hands were switched. And for every time second hand has actually needed this information, this amazingly good guesser balance has happened 15 times.
General note, related to RL, not BBO: In the ACBL, there is *no* meaning for an unAlerted 2♦ or 2M call but "NAT, preemptive, not 'highly unusual or unexpected'". If I had my druthers, I would make:
- asking about an unAlerted weak 2 de facto UI and the auctions ruled based on that (as certain clubs used to do over unAnnounced NTs, back when "I needed to know if it was 15-17, 16-18, or 15-18" was popular (no, you didn't, but it's amazing how well partner guesses in fourth seat))
- forgetting to Alert Flannery/Roman/whatever MI that is exempt from the "must protect" rule, and ruling based on *that*
because, frankly, around here, 40% of 2♦ openers are Alertable, and 30% of 2♦ openers are Alerted. Doesn't seem to happen as much for Alertable 2♥ calls for some reason, both the ask and the failure to Alert. I think that's the only thing that will stamp this out.
Posted 2013-August-08, 21:21
mycroft, on 2013-August-08, 12:03, said:
No, it doesn't show up to partner, only the opponents.
Today in the NABC+ Fast Pairs, I opened a strong 2♣. LHO asked what it was, even though there was no alert. Guess what her club suit was: KJ9xx (for those of you in Atlanta, it's board 21 from the 1:30 game). At the end of the hand my partner told her that she shouldn't ask about an unalerted 2♣ bid when we're playing an essentially standard system. They got all upset over this (probably rightly so -- if you want to complain about unethical behavior, you should call the TD and let them instruct the opponents). The discussion got heated, and they called the TD to complain about his comments. They seemed to think that the fact that I used the Stop card before bidding 2♣ justified the question (maybe they're among the confused players who think that the Stop card should only be used for weak jumps).
We ended up getting a good board -- the possible UI from her question was irrelevant, because she led the suit into dummy's Txx and my AQx, so I went down only 1 instead of 2 in 3NT.
Posted 2013-August-09, 02:10
If a call requires explanation then partner is entitled to know the explanation as well. Yes, I know that you are not allowed to ask for the benefit of partner. But you are not allowed to leave your avertable calls unalerted either. And partner might ask the same question himself.
Besides, the explanations that come up in the auction diagram are more noticeable than private chat.
Posted 2013-August-09, 11:16
mycroft, on 2013-August-08, 12:03, said:
barmar, on 2013-August-08, 21:21, said:
My apologies: "it shows up to all - including *the asker's* partner." is what I meant.
Which is how the game works. I am passing throughout a 5-round auction to 3NT and am on lead. Before the lead hits, a explanation of 3♦ shows up. Who asked about it, and why would they be asking - and what should I lead, if I don't know the Laws?


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Olivia is a fighter and has gone through the fire, in fact, she was going through the fire while she recorded this song, but you wouldn't know it, because she was dancing right through it. She is an inspiration, a champion, and my hero. This is her Roar.
To donate to the Liv Wise Fund: http://www.livwisefund.com
And Katy Perry thought the video was pretty amazing. So do we!


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Wyatt had his double lumen Broviac placed yesterday. Overall, he did well with the procedure. He's understandably stiff and a bit sore. But he's happy it's in and his arm is now free from the PICC line and sticky dressing that has been tearing up his skin.
While he was in the operating room we took his wheelchair down to the seating clinic for a few modifications. He now has an oxygen holder on the side of his chair and once we got home we put his new hangers/footplates on, which allows him more growing room for those long legs.
Dr. R decided to make his own arrangements for the procedure (unlike Dr. M's plans) and allowed us to come home later in the afternoon. We took it upon ourselves to run for the door once he was stable, our training was complete and I signed those discharging papers.
Wyatt arrived home to his electrically controlled multi-positional hospital bed. He's very happy with it and gave it a good test last night. He says it's very comfortable and enjoys giving the girls "rides" on his new bed.
We're now trying to tie up all the loose medical ends and working on packing for our trip to Disney World. We could use a little Disney magic!


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Wednesday, September 9, 2009
Modeling How To
There is already a nice HowTo available in FlightGear's data/Docs directory, but here are some screenshots I took of the process. First, a screenie of AC3D showing normal working view. Note that the model should be built in the orientation shown, and not in the orientation suggested by the names of the panes (AC3D's coordinate system is not the same as FlightGear's). Then a screenie of an untextured mesh. Then a screenie of the texturing process, showing how a projection of parts of the mesh are matched to a texture. Finally, a screenie of the textured model.
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Worker Hurt at Market Common Clarendon
A workplace accident sent one person to the hospital Tuesday morning.
The incident happened around 11 a.m. on the second level of the Market Common Clarendon shopping center.
Initial reports suggest that a worker fell 10-15 feet from a scaffolding, possibly suffering a broken leg. The injury was believed to be non-life threatening.
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Morning Notes
Amazon Could Change Conversation — If Amazon were to establish its second headquarters in the D.C. area, it could have wide-ranging effects, including tightening the commercial real estate market and easing antitrust pressures on the company. Writes the Economist: "Having 50,000 employees going to the same country clubs and putting children in the same schools as government officials is a shrewd strategy if Amazon wants to fend off government attacks." [Washington Business Journal, The Economist]
One Hospitalized During Hazmat Incident — An employee at a catering business was hospitalized after a reported chemical spill at a warehouse along Four Mile Run Drive. [Twitter]
Principal on Leave at Nottingham — Nottingham Elementary School Principal Mary Beth Pelosky is "currently on leave" and former Arlington Public Schools administrator Connie Skelton is taking over as acting principal, according to an email to parents from APS Superintendent Patrick Murphy. No explanation was given for Pelosky's sudden departure.
No More Early Cherry Blossom Bloom — Initially expected to happen later this week, the peak cherry blossom bloom is, due to cold weather, now expected to occur at the end of March and possibly the beginning of April. [Capital Weather Gang, WTOP]
APS May Take Advantage of Recess Law Change — "The chairman of Arlington's School Board appears optimistic about a change in state law that will permit school districts to squeeze more recess into the existing school day." [InsideNova]
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Bicyclist Injured, Driver Cited After 'Dooring'
A bicyclist was taken to a local hospital with minor injuries on Tuesday (March 6) after being struck by an open car door.
The incident occurred near the relatively busy Virginia Square intersection of N. Fairfax Drive and N. Pollard Street at about 6:40 p.m. The bicyclist was riding in the bike lane when they were "doored," according to an Arlington County Police Department spokeswoman.
Police were dispatched to the scene, and the driver was cited with opening a door into traffic. The fairly uncommon citation has only been issued one other time in the past twelve months by ACPD.
A Virginia law passed in 2016 requiring "drivers to wait for a reasonable opportunity to open vehicle doors on the side adjacent to moving traffic." The citation is punishable by a fine of no more than $50.
It's possible that dooring may eventually be a thing of the past thanks to new technology. Recently developed car tech aims to improve bicyclist safety through an anti-dooring mechanism that would identify incoming bicyclists and lock the doors.
Photos via Google Maps
Firefighters Called to Hospital to Remove Ring from Man's Genitals
Being a firefighter can be unpleasant at times.
You often hear about the heroics of Arlington's bravest when there's a house fire or a bad car wreck. But you don't hear about the little things — the "public service" calls to help vulnerable residents or the medical calls where people are in pain from all manner of cringeworthy afflictions.
One such incident occurred last night.
A rescue company was called to Virginia Hospital Center around 10:45 p.m. to assist with the removal of a ring that was around a man's genitals. The ring was causing "extreme swelling" and medical personnel were unable to get it off on their own, according to scanner traffic.
The jewelry was removed and the patient was in "good condition" following the removal, but a fire department spokesman brushed it off as all in a day's work.
"It's nothing exciting," said Capt. Ben O'Bryant. "Our Rescues have tools for getting body parts out of machinery and other things so when the ER can't get a ring off, they call Rescue 104 to help them out."
DEVELOPING: Bus Crashes into Pentagon City Apartment Building
(Updated at 9:35 a.m.) A PRTC commuter bus smashed into the side of the Lenox Club apartment building in Pentagon City Wednesday evening.
The crash happened just before 6 p.m., along 12th Street S. The bus, which was not carrying passengers at the time, hopped the curb, struck the front of a convertible and ran into a storefront on the side of the building.
Three people were transported to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, according to Arlington County Police spokeswoman Ashley Savage. Among those injured were the bus driver, a pedestrian and one person who was inside the building, Savage said.
Structural engineers have been called to inspect the base of the high-rise building, which remained open for residents. 12th Street S. between Army Navy Drive and S. Eads Street remains closed while police investigate the crash.
No word yet on whether the driver will face any charges.
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— LincolnACFD (@LincolnACFD) March 29, 2017
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— Tiffany Harrison (@TiffAnn_89) March 30, 2017
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Police Officer Stabbed in Neck Near Clarendon
An Arlington County Police officer was stabbed in the neck and saved from further injury by his ballistic vest during a confrontation with a man suffering an apparent mental health crisis.
The incident happened on the 800 block of N. Irving Street, two blocks from Clarendon.
Crisis Intervention Team trained officers were serving an emergency custody order on a 28-year-old resident around 7 a.m. Wednesday morning, according to an ACPD crime report, when the man pulled out a knife and tried to tried to stab officers and take their weapons.
The officers, who are trained in non-lethal ways to deal with combative suspects, used a Taser to subdue him and take him into custody.
"One officer suffered a non-life threatening wound to the neck and numerous strikes to the body were obstructed by his ballistic vest," according to the crime report, below.
MALICIOUS WOUNDING ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, 2017-03220058, 800 block of N. Irving Street. At approximately 6:57 a.m. on March 22, officers were dispatched to the area to serve an emergency custody order on a subject. As the Crisis Intervention Trained officers made contact with the subject inside the residence, he advanced towards them, reached behind his back and produced a knife. The officers were able to block the initial strike and take the subject to the ground where he continued to be combative and repeatedly attempted to disarm the officers. A taser was deployed and the subject was taken into custody. One officer suffered a non-life threatening wound to the neck and numerous strikes to the body were obstructed by his ballistic vest. John Fitzgerald, 28, of Arlington, VA was arrested and charged with malicious wounding on law enforcement, assault and battery on police and attempt to disarm an officer.
Flying Dumpster Lid Smashes Windshield of Metrobus
The strong winds Monday morning caused a frightening moment for a Metrobus driver in the Crystal City area.
The incident happened around 10 a.m. on S. Eads Street at 22nd Street S.
"The lid of a trash dumpster that was being pushed down the street was blown open by the wind striking the windshield of a Metrobus," a Metro spokesman told ARLnow.com. "The bus operator was treated on site for minor injuries due to broken glass."
The bus was not in service at the time and no other passengers were reported to be on the bus.
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One Hurt in ART Bus Crash
One person was hospitalized this morning after a crash involving an Arlington Transit bus.
The crash happened around 9:30 a.m. at the intersection of S. Glebe Road and Four Mile Run Drive, according to police.
The ART bus "was struck by a car attempting to change lanes," said Arlington County Police spokesman Capt. Bruce Benson. "One passenger on the bus complained of neck pain and was transported to the hospital. There were only two other passengers on the bus at the time of the accident and they left the scene before police arrived."
The victim's injuries were believed to be minor.
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Photos: Worker Injured After Stump Grinder Tips Over
A man was injured Friday afternoon after a piece of equipment he was using toppled over on top of him.
The incident happened around 2 p.m. on the 2300 block of Army Navy Drive, behind a row of homes in the Arlington Ridge neighborhood.
The worker was using a stump grinder on an embankment when gravity . The equipment tipped over, crushing the man's legs and reported burning his face or upper body.
The man was transported via ambulance to the trauma center at George Washington University with leg injuries, including a broken leg, and burns. Police remained on scene to investigate and talk with a supervisor from the company for which the man was working.
Motorcycle Crash Near Army Navy Country Club Entrance
(Updated at 8:25 a.m.) Arlington County police and medics are on the scene of a crash involving a motorcycle on Army Navy Drive.
Initial reports suggest a motorcycle and a car collided near the entrance to Army Navy Country Club around 5:15 p.m.
One person was evaluated for a possible back injury, according to scanner traffic.
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Worker Hospitalized After Construction Site Fall
A worker was sent to the hospital with potentially serious injuries after falling at a construction site in a residential Arlington neighborhood this afternoon.
The incident happened around 2 p.m. on the 2000 block of N. Inglewood Street, in the Tara-Leeway Heights community. Initial reports suggest the worker fell at least 6 feet into some sort of a trench.
State occupational health and safety officials were called to the scene following the accident.
The victim was transported to the trauma center at George Washington University Hospital, an Arlington County Fire Department spokesman said.
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Woman Critical After Crash at Weekend Bike Event
A cyclist was hospitalized in critical condition after a crashing during the Air Force Association Cycling Classic in Crystal City on Sunday.
The crash happened near the beginning of the amateur, non-competitive Challenge Ride Sunday morning.
"There was a collision at the beginning of the course on [Route] 110 underneath 395," Arlington County Police Department spokeswoman Ashley Savage told ARLnow.com. "A female cyclist was transported to George Washington University Hospital in critical condition. Two additional victims suffered minor injuries and were released from the hospital on Sunday. The cause of the crash is under investigation."
A witness suggested that the crash might have been caused by a medical issue, though that has not been confirmed.
"She was all alone and nobody within several feet of her," the witness reported. "Her bike just started to wobble and she went down."
Another participant in the ride described the incident as "a very serious crash involving multiple riders" on the first lap.
At last check, the woman was said to be in stable condition at the hospital.
Construction Accident Shuts Down Lynn Street Friday Morning
An accident at the Central Place construction site in Rosslyn shut down N. Lynn Street earlier this morning.
The accident happened around 6:45 a.m. Lynn Street was closed at Wilson Blvd due to the emergency response.
"A construction worker was unloading material from a crane when the material fell on top of him," said Arlington County Police spokeswoman Ashley Savage. "Other construction workers on scene were able to [free] him."
A construction crane was used to bring the injured worker down from the fifth level of the under-construction building, said a fire department spokesman.
The worker was transported to a local hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
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Worker Rescued After Falling Through Home's Back Porch
A construction worker had to be rescued by Arlington firefighters after falling through the back porch of a house in North Arlington.
The incident happened just before 1 p.m. on the 1300 block of N. Quintana Street, near Madison Manor Park and the Four Mile Run trail
A worker was reportedly jackhammering the porch when he fell through into some sort of concrete pit or recessed area. The man's leg was pinned but the first arriving firefighters were able to extricate him before a technical rescue team arrived, according to ACFD spokesman Lt. Shawn Pendo.
The man suffered "minor injuries" — a broken leg, according to scanner traffic — and was transported to a local hospital, Pendo said.
Motorcyclist Suffers Severe Cut from Wine Bottle Tossed from Car
A man riding a motorcycle suffered a serious cut on his arm after someone threw a bottle out of a car window on I-395 Saturday afternoon.
The motorcyclist was riding southbound on I-395 near the Pentagon when someone in front of him threw a wine bottle out of a Lincoln Town Car.
The bottle shattered on the pavement and a piece of shattered glass flew up and struck the motorcyclist's left arm, slicing an artery, according to Arlington County Police Department spokesman Dustin Sternbeck.
"It was bleeding profusely," Sternbeck said of the freak injury.
The motorcyclist continued down I-395 until he spotted an Arlington police officer on a traffic stop. He stopped and the officer applied a tourniquet to control the bleeding.
The man, a 41-year-old Woodbridge resident, was rushed to Virginia Hospital Center, where he underwent emergency surgery. He is expected to be okay.
"He was happy to see police lights," said Sternbeck.
So far, police, have not been able to track down the Town Car from which the bottle was thrown.