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Testing social media share bar
Hi everyone,
We are currently testing a social media share bar that will allow you to share posts to your favorite social media sites as well as sharing it via email. You will find it at the beginning of all threads and also at the top of the main forum page.
This is only being tested on this forum, so I would appreciate any feedback that you might have. If you are seeing any problems or having issues using the bar, post to this thread. Please indicate what browser and version you are using as well -- this is very helpful!
Any questions, please let me know.
I tested Pinterest.
As the original poster of a thread, is there a way to opt out of social media? I would prefer that my photos remain here on GW and not be propagated to Facebook, Pinterest, Google plus, etc. I know that anyone can steal a photo from just about anywhere online so perhaps I'm tilting at windmills, but the ability to keep some photos private on GardenWeb would be appreciated.
I HATE it as well.
I do NOT want my images propagated to the planet.
I do NOT want the great unwashed to come barging into GW in response to a tweet announcing to us the new communication styles, community norms, and rules that THEY will impose on US because none of them bothered to learn about the forum before posting in it.
I am not on FB or any other social media BS and I do not want to have my contributions sent through them without my permission.
I think we'd talked about being able to "like" a post INTERNALLY, not to all GW members and their friends and their friends of friends.
I suppose there's nothing to stop anyone coming to this forum and grabbing our pictures or text already. But why help them?!
Agree with the above. While I appreciate being up with the newest internet social connectivity, I'm finding things get more convoluted the more sites the same stuff is posted on. For example, if I'm on Pinterest, I like pinning something on there, but I see no need to share it with a whole different group of people on Facebook or Twitter. I like GW because it is a home away from all the other craziness of faceless interactions. KISS... Keep It Simple, Stu--- I mean... Tamara. :)
I agree with everyone above.....don't want posts floating/tagged/pinned all over in the cyber world unless someone specifically 'searches' for it.......
I choose not to participate in most of those already - don't need to mess up a good thing here by blasting it all over the place. :( Can we keep a little bit of cyber-privacy/anonymity and not connect everything???
This post was edited by Autumn.4 on Thu, Dec 6, 12 at 15:46
I agree with the above. No one I know has seen my kitchen pics and won't see it until it's done and I want them to. It's fun that this is one place I can share, etc. somewhat anonymously. Obviously GW isn't private but having someone share my whole discussion on Facebook is REALLY PUBLIC and not something I want.
I too like to keep everything separate and simple. It gives me the illusion that I have some control over my social media. Facebook is only to keep in touch with my nieces and nephews, GW is only for fellow TKO and Hot Topic political junkies and I don't share my e-mail. Please NO.
I just thought I'd point out something else. I know that in at least one of the gardening forums I read here, a sizable bunch of folks left and started a forum on facebook when GW was having so many performance problems. Those folks aren't coming back no matter what you do, and for sure the ones that stayed here stayed because we did not want our posting to be on facebook et al.
Another HATER here! HATE. HATE. HATE.
I've said it before. One of the reasons I like (well, love) GW is because it is visually simple. No little flags, or birdie symbols, or little boxes everywhere to "share". I do NOT like all those little boxes on top of your OP. Seeing those on every post and on every page will be a huge turn off for this long-time user. Yes, I was here in Spike's days.
I also feel the same about the privacy, sharing, barging in issues brought up by others before me.
Please, please, please do NOT mess with a good thing!
Not a fan. Count me in with the haters as well.
Please spend your time improving the Search function instead.
Or enabling multiple image uploads in the same post.
Or just fire the research monkeys and get rid of some of the ads that are paying their salaries.
Don't make something complicated that has based it's success on being simple. That's tinkering with the wrong thing.
This is awful news, at least, in my opinion.
And, I think it's the death knell for an unusual, and much-treasured, site as it is now.
Plus as soon as a site starts with all this linkiness to social media it seems to load much more slowly due to all the underlying code stuff that is necessary. It's already slowed down a good deal when people use the GW photo linkage - to further slow it will make it much less inviting.
Like others, I would be reluctant to ever post any personally-generated image because anybody can start sending it out far and wide with a click. One of the greatest existing strengths of the KF is the willingness of users to post pictures of their whole kitchens, or even just vignettes showing important details. Perfect strangers can ask what is essentially a crowd-sourced question and get fast, generous, on-point pics showing otherwise private spaces. I've seen the undersides of people's sink drains, seen inside their garage cans, and seen where they keep their sterling flatware in response to specific queries. No one in their right mind would post that kind of in-depth detail once it becomes so easily -and widely - personally identifiable.
I find the broad category of social networking options to result in (hyper)quantity vs. quality of info or data.
I have no social media accounts (from choice, I've looked at the poss. and decided I wasn't interested). So I realize that makes me an odd duck. But the idea that others have accounts and might repost my commentary (or much worse) my images is a real turn-off.
Sorry to be so unenthusiastic, but as you can see almost everyone else of the same mind, as well. Many of us have been active here for more than a decade. (I've had several user names, once having to retire one having been sent to Disney by Spike.)
While simple longevity can result in staleness, in it also resides the shared core of an evolved, longstanding and stable community.
If this goes forward, and remains permanent, I would re-think my participation on this site entirely. I think I might continue to read for awhile, but wouldn't post anything going forward.
If I was advising one of my business clients about a significant proposed website change I would urge a great deal of caution if as many, nearly unanimous, long-time users were so dismayed.
I call particular attention to Writersblock's comment above regarding migration from this site entirely to Facebook of a whole chunk of (former) GW participants. That has already happened on two other (non-GW) sites I used to participate on. Why would you want to facilitate that vampirization of your existing base of users?
Could you be sure that enough new clicks generated by the social media linkage would offset the ones who left permanently to go to another site (such as FB itself)? Or can you be confident that you can withstand the loss of the free content now provided by users who either decline to add it in the future, or elect to leave the community in response to the increased exposure to the downsides of social media linkage?
Maybe you might wish to rethink this plan?
I am also among the naysayers here. One of the most serious problems that has not yet been listed is that the social media sites make changes to their sites that will exert control over both what is posted and how it is posted. For instance, about a year or so ago, FB gave the OPTION to change to their new Timeline. Now, there is no choice, FB changed everyone's pages to the Timeline whether the change was wanted or not. Please also consider that as little privacy as there is when posting online, with FB there is even less, well, actually none.
This is a very bad idea. While I understand that many if not most sites are linking to FB et al that does not mean that GW must do so as well.
Terrible idea!
No!!! This would spell the end of my participation at GW after over ten years. I am not on board becoming part of GWs content-producing machine. I already quit that inane Facebook with its fake privacy.
Tell the corporate powers-that-be that this is like taxation without representation and I won't pay that tax.
Hate, Hate, Hate.
I do NOT want my images propagated to the planet.
I do NOT want the great unwashed to come barging into GW in response to a tweet announcing to us the new communication styles, community norms, and rules that THEY will impose on US because none of them bothered to learn about the forum before posting in it.
The beauty of this site is that it is simple, I know the web address, and I come to it purposefully. I'm interested in hearing about and seeing peoples kitchens and learning from their experiences.
I do use FB to stay connected with family and friends. However, I'm very selective about what I post and the pictures I upload. Can't say that alot of people are and I am amazed at what people "share", either intentionally or unintentionally.
The SPAM-A-LOT strategy is not appropriate for this forum.. What we communicate in this community is only for the members of this community. We are a self selected group of people who come here for a very very specific and niche purpose.. In the 10+ years that I have been here I haven't felt the need to share something from here more than a handful of times. If needed, I will take the effort to do so without any personally identifying information. This is a terrible and inappropriate idea for this forum.. I have professional experience in web communities and have taught college level courses on the topic... You are poisoning the well!
This post was edited by lalitha on Fri, Dec 7, 12 at 1:44
Please do not do this. Do not combine or link our forums with Facebook or any of the social media sites.
I agree with the others who say this is a done deal and nothing we say will make a bit of difference. Seems I remember on several of the forums I frequent, GW asked for our feedback on some proposed changes....I never saw one response that said "OH YES LETS PUT EVERYTHING ON FACEBOOK". Why ask our opinion if you are just gonna do it anyway?
I will miss the people, this website and the forums that have added so much to my life.
Sad day. sigh
Dittos on all the above. I have voiced my opinion on the GW quilting forum about this, and have asked how it works with no reply. From the first notice about this subject I have stopped posting photos of my projects but I have still read and added posts. I might have to just become a lurker and finally might even bail out completely. I have really enjoyed this site but I'm not a part of FB and never intend to be, and if GW continues to ignore our protests over this I hope I and all who feel the same will be able to find another site to meet our needs.
I am really an disappointed in this development. I was a lurker for a long time before I joined. I lurked because I wasn't ready to trust the community, to ask questions publicly, to share ideas with the world.
That this community engenders trust and feels safe, small, and secure is one of its greatest assets. This feeling is what enables people to learn and to grow here. If you allow people to blast private conversations, and I say private because we all opted to join and agreed to the terms of service, with the world at large, you are violating our trust, and in essence destroying what makes this forum a "community".
Another emphatic no here. I got OFF facebook r/t all the surveillance garbage. This little forum is a treasure that will be irretrievably ruined if this move is made. It's like internet Mayberry and so few things are anymore. How sad this will be. Coming here is like a safe haven populated overwhelming with nice, friendly people.
It's either about money or control or both. It certainly isn't about what the users want.
Aghast at the idea here.
In addition to sharing the insides of their private homes, people have anonymously posted things about their contractors (who in my case is a friend of a friend on FB), their mothers in law, their DH's, etc. etc. etc. The problems that could be created for people personally by having these decades worth of posts available and identifiable to anybody who was curious (or malicious) could be substantial and maybe devastating to certain relationships.
Please don't do this.
Google does more than it's own job to list GW posts when running a search. We have had many new posters due to easy search results. I know you want this to expand exposure to GW. But anyone can already copy anything on here, and without recognition. I see no sense in adding more to the pot. I quit posting personal info a long time ago due to the Google searches, far too easy to read about my life. Am not part of any social network, which means checking what was garnered from GW would be an issue.
I'd say I was too old to be part of social media, but my background is IT from the beginning of refrigerator size computers and networking. Obviously age has little to do with all the responses.
Why does GW see this as a positive other than sharing with the world that we exist. It is understood that you want to grow, but isn't there another way.....
Another huge NO from here. I don't need every friend I have on Facebook being able to access details of how much we spent on cabinets, the misery we went through with contractor or that we're struggling to find funds to finish the bathroom.
I actually love Fecebook and use it a lot, probably because I live so far from friends and family and it's a great way of keeping in touch. However I think combining the two is a seriously horrible idea.
Another website I go on very occassionally tried doing this and lost a huge number of posters who had been using the site for YEARS. They took it away months ago, but the posters haven't come back.
Don't do it. It's unnecessary, annoying and a violation of privacy.
Say goodbye to people posting actual budget numbers or names of contractors and suppliers.
Also, I will now not be posting my finished kitchen here, even though I've been looking forward to doing that for several years. Do you think I want the kitchen that I have worked so damn hard to plan and create plastered all over Pinterest so it can earn money from my work while morons type laughably inane commentary below it? Not happening, sorry.
I'm not sure how your privacy would be compromised if you don't use this? I mean if you don't click on the buttons then nothing to worry about. If somebody else shares a thread to their pinterest, facebook, etc then it will still be with you anonymous as your user name isn't linked to your Facebook accoun the way I understand it.
It will likely bring in new people though which I'm guessing iVillage wants. This can be a good and bad thing.
BTW interest and Facebook etc. will be similar probably to what you can find with a google search already. The difference is others have to do a search to find it.
Personally I could do without this feature. I would like the ability to like a post, but not have it linked to any social media.
Dear Tamara,
Thank you for the head's up about testing the share bar on this site. I might not have realized all its effects but for the comments and pleas of other users. My first question is whether there is even any option to remove this from this forum?
If so, then my strong recommmendation is that you remove it.
Having been a GW member since 2004, I have seen firsthand the damage done to earlier forums (such as the giant loss in one of the gardening forums when all the active posters left together and set up elsewhere, and again here on the kitchen forum when a former member copied huge amounts of content and moved it to another site that is still an active competitor to GW's kitchen forum). Please do not destroy this forum from the inside, as I firmly believe this share bar will do.
If it is already a done deal, then I add my loud caution to all other members. Not everyone realizes that their photos are geo-tagged, and so when you post pictures of your home, your children, or anything else, your location can be easily determined. (Remember the poor teenager on facebook who recently posted about her family's good fortune to have some new valuables at home, only to have them stolen before the next day's sunset.)
If the new share bar is producing a new revenue stream, perhaps you could ask an additional question about how members here might propose alternative revenue that would still preserve the truly special nature of this forum.
It is said that all good things must end, but I cannot tell you how personally painful it is to watch iVillage deliberately kill one of the most special spots on the net.
If possible, please reconsider. Thanks for listening.
If this is a done deal, I'm afraid that it will be the end of our GW as we know it.
Marcolo, (and others), remember Starpooh has the new Finished Kitchens Blog up and running. It will need to serve as a safe haven for our kitchen reveals.
I suppose if we don't want photos shared we just need to move the files around in our photobucket (or other) accounts so as to break the links and have the photos removed from GW.
This is sad. If it all goes down as I hope it won't, I will miss all of you
Please do NOT do this. I choose not to participate in FB and Twitter, etc. You will remove the best source of learning about kitchens and practical guidelines and help that is available online from people who actually speak from experience and are generous in sharing.
Please, please No!
NO! I hate this idea. Change should be for the better and this would not be an improvement. It would be such a terrible downgrade to this site. I have already been reluctant to post photos of my home and I certainly will NOT be posting any photos of the finished kitchen now.
Tamara, you asked if we had questions - my question: is this a done deal?
I would go elsewhere.
I would prefer not to have the social media bar. I don't use social media much--I've tried it and it simply has no great value for me. I suspect that there are many other posters here at GW who feel the same way.
I also suspect that the main reason GW wants to use social media is not to assist us, the current posters, but to gain a larger audience. One that may change the shape of the forums here, if it arrives in large enough numbers. We've got a good thing going; why would we want to change it?
And this is just a warning for those who post pictures here:
I'm on Pinterest. I can pin any picture you post here. I don't. But I could. I can also copy them and paste them into my own document. Again, I don't. But there is nothing to stop someone from doing so.
But the ability is there now, without the social media bar. If you are worried about privacy, you should not be posting pictures here.
I love Facebook and use it daily to keep in touch with people in my life with whom I don't get to see often.
I would never in a billion years want to cross pollinate, or cross post what I do here with what I do there. I have absolutely no need for my friends and family to be in on the angst about where I want my sink drain.....
Now, here's the reality.... I am a destination expert on the trip advisor forums, who have linked to Facebook. Really, it only impacts you if you opt in to allow that cross posting. I do not, as a matter of fact I use different email addresses, for each site so they don't accidentally (or I don't accidentally) link them up.
Tamara, please be sure that our members can opt out, or conversely need to opt in for cross post purposes.
Hi Tamara. The cooking forum has some unenthusiastic (understatement of the year) reactions to this idea.
Here is a link that might be useful: cooking forum thread
I use FB, Twitter, and LinedIn routinely for many purposes. I have no desire at all to share anything from this site on a regular basis. The information here is fantastic and very specialized. The average person has no desire to see most of it, but to us on the forum the multitude of details discussed really matter. My friends would simply not understand most of what goes on here without having first decided to seek out that information or spending some time on the forum.
The very few threads I felt a friend would need to see, and I don't think any were from this specific forum, I manually sent an email link. In this case it was a friend building a home, and the one thread I specifically remember was about things to include in a new build, and things to check at final walk through. General stuff.
This is the only place I have found anywhere that people are generous enough to share their personal experience, pretty anonymously, and intimate photos of their private spaces to help others in need of advice.
I found this place through google searches. Whatever I was looking for related to appliances or the bath we were remodeling, this site had the most helpful information. Now I post mostly in kitchens for my current project. Opening up the flood gates for people not looking for this specific information will cause issues. The sense of community here is very strong. There is much less negativity here than other places I post. Bringing in masses of people not invested in the content will significantly change that.
I use most of these social media sites on a daily basis. Please don't do this, it is not in the best interest of the forum. Just like professional subject forums, when exposure to those without an interest in the topic at hand, and without any understanding of what they are reading (like regarding privacy, confidentiality of information, or context), occurs, the candid replies and details go away. And without those, this site will die.
A member also since 2004, I experienced the MidAtlantic Gardening board's exodus when iVillage claimed copyrights to all posted photos. Several professional journalists and photographers said, "Hell no! That's my income!" and crusied. I'm still active on both old and new boards, and our twice annual get togethers are very popular. Too bad iVillage chose not to listen then, too. Traffic on that board went from one of the most active (iVillage stats) tand ground to a horrifying halt.
II'm a nay-sayer. I don't social media, although I've had accounts on MySpace and Facebook for an 8 year old niece since 2006 and 8.
I don't want to deal with that mentality. I am willing to share with this somewhat isolated part of the world, but not on the blithering sites that insist that the world "connect". There are some people I wouldn't sit next to on a bus; why would I want to share with them? I'm not into instant intimacy.
If you could share within the membership, that would be fantastic. Just not clicking the buttons (is just stupid) doesn't work, given there are (sorry guys: nitwits) people who click/share every effing thing. That's still a link.
In this thread there is one who isn't opposed, (yet doesn't care) who clearly stated her family can see her stuff via Facebook.
I am hoping, if you're really just testing this here (Quilting forum!?!) you'll let a board opt out. Obviously this isn't a welcome "addition".
Please. God no.
P.S. I forgot to say that if you're concerned about listing your contractor's name here, folks, you're a day late and a dollar short. It's ONLINE ALREADY. Any search/google search will turn up that thread. Take a lesson that from what is preached to kids: If you don't want it seen online, do not post personal information. If you want it a secret: don't tell. Think, people. Don't be stupid and take a breath. You get caught in the moment and must learn to live with the consequences. THINK This sharing thing doesn't make diddly squat bit of difference if you've already posted it. Sorry. This sends me off with its stupidity. I've been online since '86 (no, that's not a typo) and cannot tell you how dumb it is to think anything online is a secret.
This post was edited by CEFreeman on Fri, Dec 7, 12 at 9:56
Williamsem makes several good points:
o The sense of community here is very strong.
o There is much less negativity here than other places.
o Bringing in masses of people not invested in the content will significantly change that.
I've been reading here for almost a decade, and been posting here since for at least 7 years. I originally came here for the helpful, useful, non-commercial information to help with a kitchen remodel, Ive stayed and contributed long after the project was finished to give back to the community.
I'll likely stay a short while and lurk but if the tone of the forum changes as I expect it will and if an exodus of the usual thoughtful caring members begins, and they are replaced by the snarky, snipey, flame-prone nutjobs that are so common in the rest of the interwebs, I'm gone.
To put it in gardening terms (`cause you know: GardenWeb) you have a delicate flower here and what you are proposing will likely bury it beneath a truckload of manure.
I did not think this would ever happen here. What is the point of asking us if it is a done deal? (which it appears to be). If the people who control this actually care about what we, the GW community think, than I add my huge NO THANK YOU to the vote.
I'm a web developer and I've worked on public websites before. People hate change, and they get very overworked and upset any time you do anything. But then they get used to it. Some leave, but you get new users, too. The fact is, GardenWeb looks like it is stuck in the 90's, and it could use some reworking.
As far as the social media sharing bar (which I did not get a chance to see), they're practically on every website and blog out there. They're just an easier way of doing what's already really easy. I can already use my pinterest browser button to pin someone's pretty kitchen picture on GardenWeb as inspiration for my future remodel. I can already copy the URL to a GardenWeb post and paste it into a Facebook status update if I wanted (though I don't really see any reason I would). Any privacy you think you have here is an illusion. You can still remain pretty much anonymous if you don't share with your own social network, anyway.
I had thought I would search for my own threads and edit all the posts that contained any kind of personal information, but it seems that 'edit this post' doesn't work on the old posts. If anyone else can figure out how to do it, let me - all of us - know.
I would then save all my posts/threads that have pictures using the instructions in the 'please keep on page 1' post, and make all those pictures private on photobucket so they wouldn't appear in the posts online, there would be a gigantic question mark.
I have already followed the instructions on facecrooks.com that show how to achieve maximum privacy and to opt out of all the automatic changes they have made without telling us.
Then I'd rejoin with a totally different user name. I'd only use google search to search for specific topics, I wouldn't browse the board.
Don't know if this would be enough but I'm off to do what I can right now.
PLEASE let us know if there is a way to edit all posts, even our older ones - yes, I know they are already 'out there' but hopefully this would make them harder to find?
tia - ur @11 gr8, btw
This is a bit away from the original post but in response to a lot of statements made regarding privacy, be aware that many of you have posted enough personal information that if so desired your name, address, etc could be found without too much work. I believe that this may be the case for myself as well as I have become much more lax over the past 3 years in info that I post because of the (unfortunately false) sense of security gained by this community.
As well many searches lead to GW and friends and family may stumble upon your posts without links on FB. Just last week I was googling for Roman Shades and the 2nd pic that came up was a blog created by a girl I went to HS with, so not GW but still weird stuff happens.
I strongly believe that if you have something that you do not want to share with the world then you have little business posting it on an open online forum, or at least be realistic that everyone, everyone, everyone can see it and can possibly connect your identity as well.
I would agree, athomeinva... copy and pasting a url to FB is very easy. And having the "pin it" button on my bookmarks bar makes posting a pic to pinterest easy even without the media bar on GW. I just didn't like the encouragement to share what's on GW with everyone else. Not that it couldn't be easily done a billion different ways. Plus it looked cluttered and unnecessary. Something else to load. To potentially cause issues in loading. Just not needed. Savvy internet people know how to share without the little button. And most of us choose not to. But no place on the 'net is private and secure. You got that right exactly and it's worth a reminder!
Yeah, well, how would you like me to post your mortgage balance in this thread? Since you've already posted enough to reveal your identity, and your mortgage information is public record, why not? And maybe tweet it out with your name attached?
Or maybe there is actually a difference between having information technically available to someone who really digs for it, versus collecting all information about every part of a person's life and unexpectedly displaying it in one place.
I am sick of Web-based and social media businesses talking out of both sides of their mouth. If everyone truly withheld all personal information of every sort from online businesses, they would all collapse by end of day today. They constantly bait and switch, encouraging interaction and then turning around and changing the rules long after the fact--sometimes years after the fact--and telling you too bad, you "should've known."
I find most social media businesses ethically repulsive. I want no part of them.
Oceangirl67--I don't think there is one person here who enjoys your trolling or posting rude-ish comments to people as you have been doing for so long. I'm surprised no one has called you out on your behavior in the past.
You're free, of course, to offer your opinions, but only seem to do so when it causes the most ire in posts where your well-positioned dissension causes the most perceived disruption.
This post was edited by breezygirl on Sat, Dec 8, 12 at 17:02
I am not for the bar, I was only stating that people should be careful with what they post here no matter if the bar is here or not. You, Marcolo, are careful. And you are right, I do not want my name directly connected even if someone could search and find it and I would absolutely not use any feature of the bar, ever.
What makes this forum unique is the confidentiality and the ability to post and share with friends. I want it to stay that way. Please keep the forum the way it's been. I value the forum because of the way it's been run and I'd like to continue to value it. I would be reluctant to post my feelings or advice on any site that is contemplating going viral.
I don't believe it's really gone. It will be back in some other form. As others have said it so well:
I have no social media accounts (from choice, I've looked at the poss. and decided I wasn't interested). So I realize that makes me an odd duck. But the idea that others have accounts and might repost my commentary (or much worse) my images is a real turn-off.
NO! cynic, how did you make that a big red NO?
Another no vote here. If I wanted my comments on FB or other social media sites, I will put it there and no one else please.
NO! I don't do Facebook, I don't do Pinterest, or anything like that. I would not even visit GW if it became like all the rest of those sites.
ritaweeda, please point me to the quilting forum!
I don't post at GW much any more, but this will push me out the door. But first, a quick trip to photobucket to move photos around.
drbeanie, take a breath. You're a day late .. and did I mention a dollar short? If someone came across your pics and pinned or linked, or even saved, they just out there.
I would enjoy the ability to pin a post under my user name or something. The clip thing is fine, but as someone mentioned, if the photo is taken down, it's no longer in that clip.
I am fascinated by the overwhelming nos.
Lov_mkitchen, it's basic html (web design code). I agree this has the look of the 90s, but I also don't like boards where it's tough to see a whole thread on one page. Or there is so much crap in and around the text box it's hard t figure out where the Send button is.
This isn't the best -- by far. It is still a primitive board. But it does work and serves the members well. Let's start with eliminating the Internal Error thing before we jump 2 decades.
If this happens I will not be participating and I do a lot of helping on the Computer Help forum, I am pretty sure a lot of the other helpers there feel the same way.
That will be very unfortunate, we love to help those that need help but I will not, NEVER, be connected in any way to Facebook and other forms of social media.
This is a HUGE MISTAKE and will cause the loss of a multitude of members that have been here with GW as LOYAL friends. PLEASE don't do this if you do actually care about what WE think.
I will say I LOVE Facebook... for what FB is. A place for me to talk to my friends (not strangers) and share stuff about my life and my family. If a post on here were relevant to that, I could copy the url and share it as a link. But mainly, I just post funny, sarcastic, goofy things that my friends and I can laugh at.
I love Twitter, as a way to hear from my favorite talk radio personalities, keep up on the local high school football scores and have some instant news links. I don't see GW being a part of that.
I love Pinterest. I go there when I'm looking for visual inspiration, not technical layout or appliance advice. That's my HGTV in picture form. Plus I find good recipes there. Quick, easy, pretty.
I love GW when I want to get into the nitty gritty of remodeling talk. John Bridge gets too technical for me for tile. Plumbing forums are in a foreign language to me. This is just the right mix of quality information, fun banter and knowledgeable lay-people with a few experts thrown in for good measure. When someone says, "What gray is not too gray but just gray enough?" I get what they are asking. My FB friends would say, "What the heck are you talking about?"
There is a place for all of them. Making it too easy to mix them all up will confuse the masses. Too many buttons. No need.
I know I've said my peace a few times, but I wanted to come to the defense of social media, which is here to stay and can be used with very positive results. Not sure why I felt the need. LOL... those who hate FB will not be persuaded, I know. I actually see GW as kind of a cross between all of those. Pretty pictures, sharing with "friends", joking, helping, sometimes even sharing news-worthy articles. But my FB friends wouldn't know what a GW even was. They are not TKO'd in the slightest.
No. If that happens, I am through. Gone, finished, through.
The world is too distracting already, and privacy aside, part of the beauty of the GW forums is that they function like genuine conversations among self-selected people. The advice is good because it is thoughtful, unlike most social media, which is tossed at you from a moving train.
Already, spammers are creeping in regularly, and it's only because we know each other and know our norms and vocabularies that we can spot them and root them out.
Finally, here are some examples of antiquated things:
The Parthenon
an 18th century table
a hand-knotted pure wool naturally dyed rug
Maggie Smith
Not everything needs to be made as new as everything else.
If this plan is realized I will have to change the gallery locations of all my photos so the links to them will be broken.
Perhaps if everyone changes the online location of their photos (by renaming them, changing the gallery locations, etc.) and thereby REMOVES THE CONTENT, GW will rethink this decision. Because when content goes, so do advertisers...
Well, it seems like a no vote from me is unnecessary, but that is what it would have been. I used to be on Facebook and dropped it. I guess I'm an old fogey, but I just don't "get it." It's not social networking--because these boards are a form of social networking. It's the fact that I'm a private person and don't want to engage everyone in my life publicly. I want to control what I say to whom and when. I used Facebook so infrequently that it seemed to have its own private life that had nothing to do with me.
The other things I hate about social media task bars (based on experience with other sites; the bar didn't stay up here long enough for me to notice) are the fact that they slow down site functionality because they can be slow to load and also I find that often the back button on my browser no longer works right--I end up having to use the drop down on the back button or I get hung up on something related to Facebook. I've never seen this issue brought up, so maybe it's just me, but it's super irritating.
Another huge no. This is one of the now rare places where one can ask a question, and have patient, knowledgeable people THINK, do research and post helpful information. Unlike the way most of the "real" world is today, where most people are walking around with their eyes glued to an electronic device, oblivious to their immediate surroundings.
I feel even more attached to this forum now that it is revealed how many of us are not on the social media bandwagon (in the real world, I feel like the only one).
But I would fade away if the FB linking does become permanent.
I easily adapt to change in general.
However, I don't adapt to loosing control over my information. I keep limited exposure on FB - I don't rant, I don't air dirty laundry and I don't keep posts up for long. I'm also very careful to keep work-related contacts only on LinkedIn. As for Twitter - if I'm not having a discussion of some kind, I don't give a shedoodle about random stupid thoughts.
So if I happen to post a moronic statement on GW, I don't need to see that sent anywhere. GWers were very helpful when we were under construction, and I felt comfortable asking what I thought might be silly questions.
However, I'm guessing you'll do what you want.
I'll remove my photos from photobucket, close out of this site and go on to something else.
You'll find someone new to join and maybe, just maybe, they will respond to some of your advertising.
Hi folks,
As I said in my original post, we wanted to TEST this functionality. We do appreciate your thoughts and input and we always take them into consideration when making decisions that affect our site. As some of you have noticed, we have removed the sharebar from the site and won't be launching it at this time.
I think that what has been most interesting about this discussion is the wide range of perception about the Internet in general. While this forum may feel like your own bubble, it is, in fact, a very open, public place. What you post here is viewed by far more people than anything that might be shared to a Facebook page. It never hurts to be reminded that everyone should post with care and caution and that once you post, your words and pictures may be forever recorded. I also think that there are a lot of misconceptions about how social media works and exactly what it means to 'share' posts. I hope that this discussion will also lead to further clarifications and a better understanding.
We are continuing to work on new enhancements and improvements to the site. As you know, we recently launched the ability to edit your posts and we are continuing to work on things like an improved search engine and mobile applications. Please continue to offer your suggestions!
This post was edited by gwTamara on Fri, Dec 7, 12 at 20:49
Just FYI, this would change absolutely nothing. I can post a link to Facebook quite easily and I pin stuff to Pinterest from GW all the time. This would not make it easier for people to find GW.
Maybe there is some confusion because those of you opposed to social media aren't using that social media??
What do you perceive would be different after this change/enhancement??
Right now I use my "pin it" button on my browser toolbar. After the change I would use the pin it button on my GW toolbar. It really isn't even that much easier, just cleaner and up to date. If someone shares something on Facebook it shows up on that individual's newsfeed and is seen by a pretty limited number of people. Yes, they can share it but it doesn't automatically go to all of Facebook or thousands of people. It's reasonable for you not to like that, but we have already been able link GW posts to Facebook for years. All that doesn't mean you have to like it or be enthusiastic but nothing at all has changed in the way the site "links" to social media. Nada.
Google searches completely obliterate any obscurity we may have thought we had. Social media is not encroaching on our privacy one iota more. Not even the slightest, tiniest bit. Any sense of privacy we might feel in our little GW community is a total illusion.
Shannonaz--I understand your points. Yes, of course, everything we do and say here is out in the world for all to see. BUT! I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that social media is not encroaching on our privacy. I have a FB page to connect with some old friends from school and family that live out of the area. I like being able to read about what my Dad's first cousins once removed kids are up to these days. I don't keep in touch with them regularly by any other means. I do not post very much on my own page; don't post any personal info like my bday or kids' names; and I don't put up photos of me or my children. But I routinely see my IRL friends post on FB about "checking in" to restaurants and other public places with me and post that info. It highly irritates me that people can see which day and the specific time that I had Mexican food at the local joint because SOMEONE else posted it socially WITHOUT my knowledge or permission. My privacy is violated by social media. Well, one could make the argrument that its violated by my friends, but you get the point. That's just one example. I'll stop now because I need to get the family fed and can feel my blood pressure rise.
Applause to Tamara and GW for listening to us.
However, enough with the apologetics. Yes I know other GW members steal our images without our permission to post on Pinterest or whatnot. But to argue that a bar wouldn't increase such intrusion is absurd. That's what it's there for. That's why sites add it. Make something easier and it happens more frequently.
As bee's post makes clear, it's become a full time job to keep up with privacy settings and new features that allow our privacy to be continuously violated. Enough.
I am pretty sure Marcolo is talking about me :) Hopefully there will some day be a way to not see the posts of certain users (I am on message boards that have this option) and Marcolo won't have to be annoyed by my posts any more. (I feel like many things I post get a an unpleasant and negative response from him)
I'm not an apologetic I was just pointing out the facts. The share bar or whatever only makes it easier for those of us on GW (you may have even needed to be signed on the see the bar?? I don't know that for sure) to share. It would NOT make it even the slightest bit easier for those outside GW or on social media to share. That is a fact.
If you don't want pictures of your home easily shared on Facebook or Pinterest, you cannot post them on Gardenweb, that's all. I love looking at all the pictures and I enjoyed posting mine 7 years ago. But those are the facts.
Since I don't link Facebook to anything simply clicking "share to Facebook" on my phone is not enough to post something to my Facebook. I have to then enter my user name and password. I guess that is what is making me less worried. I use social media on my phone constantly and accidentally posting something to Facebook has never happened....I think it is an issue if you link SOME stuff because the connection is set up. In that case I can certainly understand being stressed about the ability to accidentally post your Gardenweb posts to Facebook etc. I would be mortified to have my Facebook friends see my GW posts but since it isn't something that can happen accidentally at this time, I am not worried at all. As things change I will reassess...(edit my Photobucket etc.)
I don't like this idea at all either. It's not just that I don't want pictures passed on to pinterest, but it seems that those websites that cater to FB and Pinterest do it to the exclusion of those who aren't members. If I like something, I DO NOT want it to show up on my FB page. I don't friend everyone I know, but I still don't want everyone on FB knowing the websites I visit every day.
Just because I don't use them, doesn't mean I don't understand them. I have all the capabilities just like everyone else, and I make certain to understand what's offered simply to block high school idiots I moved away from in the first place (for example).
I'm now interested to hear that if you link you're contacts (WHY!?!) they're all over the place. Another "it's only private if YOU don't share it" thing.
I am amazed at how many other GWers are also not involved in social networking. My adult daughter and I are both professionals in separate professions and chose to avoid social networking for a multitude of reasons, including the importance to us of keeping clients etc. removed from our personal lives, along with little faith that what may be posted privately now will always remain that way. Clearly the rug of rules that may seem comfortably woven in place can at any time be yanked from under.
I believe GW appeals to a diverse but like minded set that seek out/stumble into GW and stay due to the different type of social and informational connection IT provides - like falling down the well and discovering a new land, or joining a secret club or society - some above refer to GW as a treasure; a treasure is something valuable and special - something you may not want to share even....I imagine part of the distress that the idea of FB linkage creates for some people, including myself, is that whether fears are real or perceived, pointing highway signs and creating easy access usually does ruin what is special....think new turnpike exits to quaint towns, or bigger roads and hotels in formerly remote and pristine parks. Precisely why GW *IS* treasured by so many is reason enough that it should not be recklessly or greedily manipulated as it will likely cease to maintain it's attraction and specialness.
Thank you Tamara for this reprieve - hopefully it will not be temporary.
This post was edited by peegee on Sat, Dec 8, 12 at 15:44
I completely overlooked this thread until just now. It sounded uninteresting. Look what I was missing!!!
I use Facebook, but prudently. I have friends who click on everything and look like idiots. I'm careful about who I "friend" and require permission for someone to tag me. I get theirs as well. I carefully consider what I post, since it reaches old friends as well as church people. Yowzer!
As careful as I am with FB, I say NO EFFING WAY do I want somebody--anybody--to just share whatever strikes them in the Newsfeed, reaching all their low-life FB friends. C'mon, we all have a few of those. ;-)
I realize that whatever you post on the internet can be found if one is determined enough. Just Google something kitchen-ish and guess what all the hits are? However, there is a difference between a search for something and having it just delivered into your lap without effort.
I'm not a Luddite or conspiracy theorist. I love tech. I just think it's a bad idea.
And Breezy, totally agree with you about the person making juvenile comments.
For years, I've had much enjoyment from seeing others achieve their dreams in their new kitchens. I recently had a fire destroy my home and have been in the process of rebuilding for the last 14 months. I was prompted to FINALLY register here on GW so that I could respond to this thread and relay my experience.
Posting on facebook of photos of the progress of my construction prompted some unwelcome visitors to my new home. They knew the house was empty and decided that any tools belonging to the contractors and anything else not nailed down would be better suited in their possession. All my appliances, cabinets, and light fixtures disappeared in a matter of hours. There have also been several occurrences of trespassers coming to my property and helping themselves to a swim in my pool or a party in my poolhouse because they know the house is unoccupied. This has all started only days after posting a pic on facebook.
So I would implore all here not to share anything you don't want the ENTIRE world to know about on facebook. Even if they are not linked to you as your personal friends, friends of friends of friends are able to see your stuff and where you live and act on it...
I'm in "the business" (IT) and agree that anything that's posted here or anywhere on the internet - or even emailed - is not "secure". Businesses do their best, but the hackers out there are usually several steps ahead.
However, that does not mean you should make it easy for them! It's like locking your car - if someone really wants your car, locking it, using alarm systems, etc. won't stop them - but it will probably stop a "casual" thief b/c they'd rather find an easier car to steal.
As to FB, Twitter, etc. I do have a FB account - more to keep track of what my kids are doing and what's being posted out here (as best I can), but I also have the max security, don't use a picture of myself, etc. Social Media in general has become a 3-ring circus - but let's not join the circus! If it's not as easy to "share", etc., maybe they'll go somewhere else. :-)
BTW...I also think it's ridiculous the stuff my friends post...I don't care what your dinner looks like (well maybe that would be of interest on the Cooking Forum!) or that you're at the grocery store shopping or sitting in traffic (why are they posting if they're driving???), etc. TMI!


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ve Easing Invades
by USAA
By Wasif Latif,
Vice President, Equity Investments
My eldest son recently asked me to help him prep for a science test on invasive species. A species is designated as invasive when it is not native to the ecosystem to which it is introduced and is harmful to native biodiversity.
Take the purple loosestrife (Lythrum salicaria), pictured at right. Native to Europe, this invasive plant grows rapidly in most environments. Its expansion in North American wetlands has shaken the region's ecology. As it forms dense colonies, the purple loosestrife crowds out native wetland plants that are staples and shelters for wildlife. At first, the purple loosestrife looks appealing, even beautiful, but conservationists have had to resort to extreme measures, even introducing nonnative insects, to check its spread.
Why am I giving you a biology lesson? Because I think the world of finance has been exposed to an invasive species of its own, and it's important to know what we're dealing with.
It's called quantitative easing. It first showed up in Japan when the Bank of Japan used QE to tackle a deflationary spiral. The bank eventually halted its use, but the economic damage from its QE experiment lingers. Japan continues to struggle with even more debt than the original real estate bubble created.
In 2008, with leadership from the U.S. Federal Reserve, the central bankers of the developed world introduced QE to the global financial system to circumvent a debt-induced crisis. QE was initially applauded because it helped our ailing economy. But like the purple loosestrife, QE is beginning to distort our market ecosystem, primarily by altering the perception of risk and return.
Today, the impact of QE is being felt in the form of greatly reduced cost of capital, which in turn promotes more risk-taking than under normal conditions. When more capital is available at a cheaper cost, investors tend to place it in riskier assets. Stocks have performed so well over the past three years in large part because investors perceive less risk in buying equities, thus lowering the "risk premium" in equities.
When it comes to comparing the relative values of stocks and bonds, the artificially lower risk premium on stocks perverts this relationship. In this way, QE is gradually skewing the natural balance of risk and return in the global financial system, leading to an increasingly distorted relationship between risk and valuation.
In my last blog post, I discussed QE and the Fed's decision to taper it in December. Now that tapering has begun in earnest, the debate between the bulls and the bears may see some resolution. Perhaps it is only coincidental, but U.S. economic data have begun to soften. Corporate earnings beat expectations in the fourth quarter of 2013, but future earnings are being guided down. At the same time, equity volatility has clearly perked up and jolted some complacency out of the market.
As I've stated before, I believe tapering will not be met by a complementary surge in economic growth. In my opinion, as the quantitative easing species is extracted from the ecosystem, it will leave an environment of tepid economic growth. Moreover, I believe the taper will not herald the full recovery to normalcy that economists are expecting and the market currently seems to be pricing in.
U.S. stocks may perform moderately well this year, and it is possible that they will even post a positive return. However, they're unlikely to perform as well as non-U.S. stocks, especially European equities. In the long term, American equities are likely to underperform relative to European and emerging markets due to three factors:
- U.S. equity valuations are much higher than other developed and emerging markets, which historically diminishes relative long-term returns.
- Not only are U.S. equities more expensive, but they also carry overly ambitious future expectations as profit margins in the U.S. are near record highs.
- The Fed is reducing QE, not increasing it.
The QE drawdown is having two effects. Volatility and interest rates, which have been artificially suppressed in my opinion, are now creeping up, and neither is good for stocks (more on this below). Additionally, the American reduction of QE places it ahead of the European Central Bank and Bank of Japan in the rate cycle, meaning there's a greater chance of QE from the ECB this year, which would be very positive for European equities.
With U.S. markets becoming more volatile themselves, largely due to significantly weaker-than-expected ISM manufacturing index numbers and durable goods orders, some Fed watchers have floated the idea that Janet Yellen may taper the taper. Now that's a mind-bender. Instead of reducing the QE program at a rate of $10 billion per month, the Fed may opt to reduce it by a smaller amount in a move to calm markets.
Yellen's testimony to Congress on Feb. 11 did not provide details on what's ahead for the taper. However, the market received the news with renewed jubilation as Yellen clearly indicated her intention to remain extremely accommodating on monetary policy. She basically said the economy is still not strong enough for the Fed to stop its extraordinary measures. To me, that says, "We will taper the taper or pump up QE if things get worse again."
This statement more or less coincides with my view that the economy has not reached escape velocity from the dastardly grasp of deflation, nor has it returned to normal. It remains in the grip of an invasive species: Relaxatio quantitativa.
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Former Bomber suffered degenerative brain disease: doctors
Winnipeg Blue Bombers players reacted Tuesday with a mixture of sympathy and resignation to the news that former Bombers nose tackle Doug MacIver had the same degenerative brain disease that's been found in other late football players when he died of a heart attack earlier this year.
"It's scary. A lot of the new results coming out haven't been very promising," Bombers safety Ian Logan said Tuesday afternoon following practice at Canad Inns Stadium.
"I can't say I've noticed any real effects yet. I haven't suffered any concussions that have been diagnosed. But at the same time, it's such a violent sport, you have to wonder what the long-term damage is from this.
"It will be interesting to see how long football lasts as a sport if these results keep coming back. But at the same time this is what I do as a profession. I've got to ride it until it's done, for now."
The Globe and Mail's Allan Maki reported in Tuesday's edition that doctors at Boston University who had dissected MacIver's brain found he was suffering from "moderately advanced" chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) when he died Jan. 26. Doctors informed the MacIver family of their findings late last week.
MacIver, who was 58 when he died, played nine CFL seasons, three of them in Winnipeg -- including in a Grey Cup winning season in 1984. CTE is believed to be caused by brain trauma.
Doctors at Boston University have examined the brains of 19 late NFL players and discovered CTE in 18 of them. That's a sobering statistic, but Bombers offensive lineman Glenn January says it also needs to be put into context.
"There's a lot of other factors you have to consider when you break down the players from the 70's and 80's to the players of this day and age. Lifestyles are different, there's less head to head contact and also back in the day they were taking some things that might not have been good for them, especially in that O-line and D-line position.
"I think you know what I'm talking about. And I'm not saying (MacIver) did that, but it's just a general statement that they didn't really know how detrimental certain supplements and performance enhancing things could be to the body. So yeah, it is something that you have to worry about, but at the same time we're straw dogs and we have to realize that we have to enjoy our time on top while it's here. You can't worry too much about too far down the road. Because reality's going to set in pretty quick for all of us here. You have to enjoy your moment in the sun and make the most of it. "
Bryant Turner, who plays MacIver's old position for the 2012 Bombers, said he is trying to take better care of himself off the field, including a healthier diet and even yoga.
"The older I'm getting, the more I'm starting to focus on the way I will be living after football," said Turner, who says he's already suffering from high blood pressure.
But Turner said while he is concerned about all the brain studies of former players, he feels he'd do more harm than good if he allowed it to alter the way he plays on the field.
"I try not to think about it, which I think is like a lot of football players. Because if you worry about something, that's when you get hurt. If you worry about getting hurt, you go out and play timid. That's when it's bound to happen. I really don't use my head too much. I try to use my hands mostly. But when you use your hands so much, your shoulders starting hurting."
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Outcomes research is a fast-growing field of study that focuses on patient-related aspects of medical or surgical outcomes such as satisfaction and quality of life. In the realm of facial plastic surgery, many outcomes are subjective evaluations based on the patient and physician's judgment as to the surgical result, but little has been done to quantify these qualitative results in an objective manner. This paper discusses the basis for outcomes research and suggests its application to the field of facial plastic surgery. Four new facial plastic outcomes instruments have been developed and are provided for the potential use in measuring the quality of life results of rhytidectomy, rhinoplasty, blepharoplasty, and skin rejuvenation procedures.
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New Broms at Home
I got this new brom. Here are some pics to share.
#1 Neo. Tunisia
#2 Neo. Rien's Pride x tiger
#3 Neo. Rien's Pride x Tiger
#4 Neo. Strawberry Jam (Got it with this name)
#5 Aec. Jubilee
What are the parents of P&C? I've heard rumors that its a variegated clone of rubens. Jubilee is supposed to be a "variegated clone of mulfordii". Given the whole Gravisia mess I wonder who really knows if their mulfordiis are marked correctly.
Do you have both plants, HDD? I always thought Jubilee and P&C were two names given to the same plant by different people. A side by side pic might help clear that up.
The article in question doesn't come up on your link, Nick (see below). I'm not sure what the difference is between mulfordii and rubens, but Derek seems to feel that virtually everything in the Gravisia complex keys out to callichroma anyway. If that's the case I have a feeling the problem might be in the key, not the plants. Either that or the specimens being grown in Australia differ from what's being grown in the US. I have eurycorymbus and it doesn't look at all like what I know as mulfordii.
Here is a link that might be useful: Gravisia complex
I agree, Bromadams. I also thought that Jubilee looked just like my Peaches N Cream - and when I bought my P&C I was told it was a variegated form of mulfordii. The inflorescence looks the same too. Yours is a nice specimen.
My P&C is an unstable variegate - the pups are all green - and I've bought two over time. Same thing happened with both, and to other collectors' specimens. I've given up on it now - plus they are quite cold sensitive. Does your P&C throw variegated pups, Bromadams?
According to Unc Derek, most of those gravisias are callichroma. We have the same mix up in Australia, inherited from the U.S.. However, my supposed rubens has a lilac tinge in the warmer months, but not as deep as Malva - another supposed form of mulfordii. My supposed eurycorymbus has a much stiffer, upright form, and a taller inflo with more spread-out branches and bracts. And then I have the all green supposed mulfordii, which I suspect are reverted P&Cs.
I doubt anyone knows the "truth" with this group. Hopefully, someone keen enough is dissecting the floral bits and plant forms of the whole group - and will publish a "magnum opus" on them (if only us "plebs" could understand it!). I also suspect that many are natural hybrids, and we might not ever be able to sus out their true species identities. Meanwhile, all of mine have question marks on their labels.


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Name That Star -- Not!
"Why did not somebody teach me the constellations, and make me at home in the starry heavens, which are always overhead, and which I don't half know to this day?" Thomas Carlyle, 1880.
In discussing star names and their history, some use must be made of Greek names and letters. Until the twentieth century any well-educated person was expected to be familiar with Latin and Greek, but that cannot be expected today. If you are unfamiliar with Greek letters, you should find a list of them and their names, so you can refer to it when needed; but on this page the first use of an individual Greek letter is accompanied by its name, in parentheses.
When we look at the sky there are no names next to the stars, and no name
we assign to a star
truly belongs to it, or says anything about it as a real object. It is merely our way of saying "Look at this star over here, not that one over there." Given the vast numbers of stars scattered across the sky, such appellations are necessary to avoid total confusion; and there is something comforting about knowing what a given star or constellation is called, even if it is just a name established by some sort of historical convention.
An image of the Big Dipper and the stars in its part of the sky
Imagine how difficult it would be to specify one particular star, out of the multitude found in even a small area of the sky, without any way of saying which star you are talking about.
(Noel Carboni,
Note: It has been brought to my attention that one of the references I used for the following is not to be trusted; as a result, a few of the statements below may not be correct. Until this note is removed, although the discussion below can still serve as an example of the confusion which can be associated with star names, it may be subject to revision.
Common, or "Proper" Star Names
Over the course of history most stars have been given names, to differentiate them. Unfortunately, the same name was occasionally used for different stars, and many stars have been given different names by people living at different times (or of course, in different parts of the world). As an example, the current Pole Star (or North Star) is called Polaris, in acknowledgement of its status. But in ancient Greek (Hellenic) times the Celestial Pole was closer to Kochab than to Polaris, and Polaris was called Phoenice, borrowed from Ursa Phoenice, the Phoenician Bear, the name given to what we now call the Little Bear (or
Ursa Minor
) when the constellation was created out of parts of other constellations by Thales, about 600 B.C.E. Later, Ursa Phoenice became κυνόςουρα (Cynosūra), the Dog's Tail, and that name was used for the star for more than a millennium. It is only in the last few hundred years, as precession has brought the Celestial Pole closer and closer to Polaris, that it acquired its present name. Similarly, Vega, one of over forty names used for the brightest star in the constellation of
, was once used as the name for the constellation itself.
Some of the names which we use for stars and constellations are the names of mythological figures, such as
the hunter,
the strong-man, and Castor and Pollux,
The Twins
. Others describe the star's position in the sky. As an example, Sirius is based on a Greek word meaning 'scorching', because its heat was thought to add to that of the Sun to produce the "dog days" of late summer. It is also called the 'Dog Star' because of its position in
Canis Major
, the Big Dog. The name of the bright star to its northeast, Procyon, is based on the Greek 'pro kion', or 'before the dog', because being further north than Sirius it rises before it, even though it is further to the east.
The "common" names of the stars in the Big Dipper.
Bayer Designations
In 1603, while preparing a "modern" star map, Johann Bayer decided to avoid the confusion associated with having different names for different stars by using the letters of the Greek alphabet to create what we now call "Bayer designations". The brightest stars in a constellation were given letters at the beginning of the alphabet, and fainter stars were given letters further along the alphabet. Thus the brightest star would be α (Alpha), the first letter of the alphabet, the next brightest β (Beta), the second letter of the alphabet, and so on. He did not follow only this rule, however. When, as in the case of the Big Dipper, there are a number of stars of roughly equal brightness, he used their positions to decide which would come first and which would come next. In Orion, which contains two
first magnitude
stars, Betelgeuse, which is on "top" (being one of Orion's shoulders), is designated α, and Rigel, which is on the "bottom" (being one of Orion's knees), is designated β, even though Rigel is about thirty percent brighter than Betelgeuse. Similarly, in the Big Dipper, the stars are labeled according to their position, with Dubhe, at one end of the bowl of the Dipper, being designated α, and the other stars being designated β, γ (Gamma), δ (Delta), ε (Epsilon), ζ (Zeta) and η (Eta) in order of position around the bowl and down the handle, even though one of them, Megrez, is substantially fainter than all the others.
The Bayer designation does not consist of only the Greek letter assigned to the star. It also includes the possessive form of the constellation's Latin name. Dubhe is α Ursae Majoris, or "alpha of Ursa Major", while Betelgeuse is α Orionis, or "alpha of Orion". On maps only the Greek letter is shown next to the star, because the constellation is inferred from the overall position in the sky, or indicated by an outline of the area covered by the constellation, and the name of the constellation somewhere inside that outline. In tables, the Greek letter is combined with a three-letter abbreviation of the constellation name, so that Dubhe is α UMa, and Betelgeuse is α Ori. Similarly, Polaris is α UMi or α Ursae Minoris, meaning that it is one of the brightest or most important stars in Ursa Minor, while Kochab, which is equally bright but no longer serves as the Pole Star, is β UMi or β Ursae Minoris.
The Bayer designations of the stars in the Big Dipper.
Alcor, which has no Bayer designation, is indicated by its Flamsteed number.
Flamsteed Numbers
In the late 1600's John Flamsteed extended Bayer's idea, using numbers instead of letters (in a sense Bayer was numbering them as well, since the letters of the Greek alphabet were used as counters as well as letters). Instead of just numbering the brighter stars as Bayer did, Flamsteed assigned numbers to all the naked-eye stars (that is all the stars visible in a dark sky without optical aid). However, instead of using low numbers for brighter stars and high numbers for fainter stars, which is what Bayer usually did, Flamsteed numbered the stars according to their right ascension, so that the westernmost naked-eye star in a constellation was assigned the number 1, the next star to the east of that in the same constellation was assigned the number 2, and so on.
(many more examples and methods of naming to follow)
Variable Star Names
(far more to be added later, but basically, the first variable-brightness star discovered in Orion is called R Orionis, the second variable star discovered in Gemini is S Geminorum, the third variable star discovered in Auriga is T Aurigae, and so on. Once individual letters are all used up, double letters are used; so for example, we could have a star called RU Lupi in Lupus, or one called TV Ceti in Cetus, if enough variables were discovered in those constellations)
Catalog Numbers and Positional Designations
(far more to be added later, but for instance there are objects in a catalog called the New General Catalog that are called NGC 1, NGC 2, NGC 3 and so on, objects in a catalog created by Charles Messier called M1, M2, M3 and so on, objects in a catalog created by Halton Arp called Arp 1, Arp 2, Arp 3 and so on, and on and on. And nowadays, with billions of stars and other objects in computerized catalogs, it is not unusual to simply specify an object by its position on a particular date, such as J2000 012345.6+012345, meaning the object with the position RA 01 23 45.6, Dec +01 23 45 according to the position of the Pole at the start of 2000 CE.)


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I will be needing to make room in my bog and i will have a LARGE clump to divide of this plant. I wont be able to do this for about another month so im looking for a promised trade. My trade is not strictly for aquatic plants...if you dont see anything in my list of wants for aquatics, please take a look in other areas. I have a few wants however I will be in need of Floating plants in about a month. I would like to make a few large trades to get rid of these. I also have a few selected wants. Please dont contact me unless you trade nice healthy plants. I send great sized active growing plants and expect the same in return. For those of you that dont know, Iris speudacorus is often called yellow flag iris. It has Bright canary yellow flowers. This plant can grow to about 3 feet tall and can spread faster than most iris. This is a bog or water garden plant. Please contact me direct! thank you! missa
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