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The story of me losing my virginity is so crazily epic that the actual sex has gotten lost in the details. When I tell the story (which I am not going to do here today) I usually forget to mention it. Then whomever I'm telling it to will ask "But how was the sex?" and [...]
The story of me losing my virginity is so crazily epic that the actual sex has gotten lost in the details. When I tell the story (which I am not going to do here today) I usually forget to mention it. Then whomever I'm telling it to will ask "But how was the sex?" and I'll say "Oh right – it was good. Really good".
The thing is though that I don't really remember the sex in any real detail. I remember that it was also the occasion of my first time giving head and the realization that something I had in youthful naïveté dismissed as gross is actually one of life's greatest pleasures. And I remember this: the dude would slowly slide all but the head of his dick out and then quickly thrust the whole thing back in. That shit had me so open I wanted to drink his fucking bathwater. It doesn't sound like much and others have used this move on me since, but it was executed so perfectly that I have no doubt he spent time and energy mastering it. It was his signature move and everyone should have one.
Your signature move is sexual maneuver that sets you apart from any others who may have been where you are. It should not only enhance the pleasure of the thronx, but be memorable enough that long after your name is forgotten the move will live on. Bonus if you are also able to perpetuate the #swindle that you reserve said move for special customers only.
Let me give you another example. A woman I know is remembered far and wide for having a man fuck her tits. Not the most original move, but what she does is squirt a little flavoured lube between her big bodacious cha-chas and as her man slides his sword between them she squeezes them around it. When his cock pokes out between the top of her breasts, she takes the head in her mouth. Then she breathily encourages him to bust on her face and rubs a bit of his seeds on her nipples. I'm told the reaction to this is epic.
If you don't have a signature sex move, you're failing at life. I mean really, even Seinfeld – arguably the least sexual man in the history of time – has a signature move. You don't want to be worse off than the least sexual man in the world do you?
Now really your signature move should be something you came up with and perfected on your own, but because I love you all so much I'll throw out some ideas for those of you who are struggling. Learn, absorb, apply – and then come back here and overshare about it.
Possible Signature Moves for Ladies:
The French Blowjob: This is basically sticking one in the stink while speaking on the mic. It stimulates the prostate, which is good but don't blame me if you get punched in the face for it – I've warned you more than enough times about unauthorized rear entry.
The Hummer: Deep, throaty humming while giving head. Too many women are sleeping on this I'm told.
And for the men:
The G Spot Jiggler: This is really just switching between short, hard strokes and long, slow strokes while hitting it from the back. Nothing amazingly complex but, if executed properly, will dickmatize a woman. Trust me on that.
The Orgasm Enhancer: Okay so you're giving it to her good with your fingers, tongue or dick and she's loving it. Keep doing what you're doing but start putting it on her somewhere else on her body. So say you're long stroking her and then you hit her with a soul kiss that gets more and more intense. Or you're eating her pussy like it's a free buffet and then you suddenly start….well, you get the idea, right?
So do I have a signature move? Well if you'll pardon my boasting for a moment, let me say that I'm lucky enough to be the kind of woman who is really good in bed without having to work at it. I'm not going to give away all my secrets, but there are certain things that I do automatically or unconsciously that have made men turn fool when I put it on them. But as my favourite person told me, with great pussy comes great responsibility – so while I could just rest on my epic laurels, I don't. So yes – I do have a signature move. I'll tell you mine if you guys tell me yours in the comments.
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this post has the potential to be great considering everyone plays along. i have a feeling that may not happen though. with that said i guess i'll kick it off.
signature moves:
i have this thing where i try to spell my name out on her clitoris. i have the frame of mind where if you don't enjoy what you're doing then you're never going to be good at it. i'm pretty fond of it. as far as signature moves concerning licking the love below i would have to go into positions. i have this one position that i would prefer her in while licking her labia.
also i would say that jack hammering her is not the move so i've worked on the art of the slow deep stroke. it takes special "skills" to hit her bottom and have her on the edge of ecstasy. i think the slow deep stroke is a lot more sensual than "rabbit f*cking". oh and you can't forget to look her in eyes (if they're open).
i'll be back with more (perhaps).
Thunderous applause for my e-boo!
When I read "spell my name on her clitoris" Biggie's line played in my head "Spell my name right B I double G I E" but I replaced it with yours. It actually fit well.
You couldn't even say thank you for my applause? Oh and how you going to be my e-boo if we ain't e-effing? I saw your little comment to Dr. J down thread. I want an e-annulment.
That's why I need to leave these arrogant ni**as alone…when will I learn!?!?<I thought I had found me a good one.
*pops collar…and walks away*
i tried to comment twice to you but it wouldn't let me. (let's see if this one goes through). and don't get your e-panties in a bunch. perhaps i should have put "yet" at the end of my sentence. lol
@ Tu….lo siento papi. You know I didn't mean it. Te amo the sound of "yet"
@Max, let me find out WordPress is cock-blocking I will be writing an email.
how about you write me an email?
Sounds good to me e-boo
Great topic! Well for lack of any further creativity on my part I would have to say mine is probably "speaking on the mic" while dude is on the phone…only because my skills are up there anyway but i loveeeeee hearing a dude try to speak while his toes are curling into the soles of his feet…makes me happy and ensures that he will have a memorable experience…especially if the person on the phone catches on to what's going on which has happened a time or two lol
Great topic. First time poster.
My signature slob move involves, well, slob. I like to massage my man's piece at the back of my throat (not too much bobbing, just a lot of suction and the occasional hum) to get the saliva going, then i slowly suck upwards and then create a long stream of saliva which i then wrap around the head as slowly and as many times as possible. Slow and sloppy. Pretty simple. Add in Superhead's double handed twist move and it's lethal.
As far as actual penetration, my signature move is spin action: cowgirl-side saddle-reverse cowgirl, or the reverse. The key is not to speed too quickly into the next rotation, to keep the transitions smooth and, for the love of God, not to lose the penetration.
WOW. I just saw that in my mind's eye….kudos to the dude catchin that heat…
O_O I came
reading Tree's answerout of hiding for Nasty Fridays. And considered posting anonymously. Maybe I'll be figured out? Signature moves? Do I have one? I almost feel like I don't but then again[...wait. Disclaimer nsh*t. I hate bragging so I won't do it. I'll just tell the truth.] So yeah. Someone can only be asked, Yo how do you DO that? or be told, Yo, that shit was too crazy but so many times. And I just came up with these names this early mawnin as I wipe the crust out my eyes. Thanks for the wake up Max! Ess Dot Signatures.
1. The Surprise Holdup.
While on top and gyrating on his piece to the latest popping most sexual reggae/dancehall song in my head, I insert all the stops and beat drops with either a liftoff and hold on the head aka the Surprise or the Gimme your nut/cum/orgasm "holdup" move aka kegels on the meat that would get the O_O face or the oh sh*t whisper. Repeat at alternating speeds and add an extra surprise (which is a secret) for a magical ending. Both of you die.
(LOL I can't help but giggle and glance at Tree's response, thinking Now how about you spell out my full 16 letter name plus the 100+ characters in all my nicknames?)
2. "Seizures, not mine" (as in Seize yours, not mine lol).
An oral move. Well, the point is to pretty much push him down on the bed while he looks at you like you've lost your mind (for pushing him) but like he's about to lose his (in a good way). And it's all about seizing him up. (tehehe) Seize the shaft and show it some respect. Nice grip with the TwistnJerks hand motion. And the traction is cool cuz I already took care of the
spit or wetnesslube necessary. Seize the balls. Seize the head..with focus on just that. There's the vein around it (under) that pulses the most. And it's so sensitive. So while I'm wrapped up there, it's almost like they aren't expecting much else. Until I let it slip in all the way (with the lube help) and it sits in my throat, which is seizing the head and tight. *shrug* can't reveal what else after that.
3. Leaky Hose. (Lmao I'm dying at these names. I hope urbandictionary doesn't have them!)
Just when he's about to release the kids to play, I'll let my mouth hover over the head and wait til I see the first sight of cream. Then depending on whether I'll use the tongue or my finger, I let it block the hole the kids are running from and feel the ones that are getting away come out from the sides of my tongue/finger while doing the TwistnJerks with a last pull to get every one out.
Okay, that's all I'm sharing now.
Lol what a clown
I cried laughing at Cheekz's link. *grabbing tissue*
i cried thinking about Suki giving me a 'leaky house'
o baby.
The acts and the names. Damn girl.
Why do I feel like a proud Mama??
First off, max, you and I must read from the same play book b/c the G-spot Jiggler and the Orgasm Enhancer (as you call them) are two of the go to moves in my repertoire….I can't believe not all men have them in their bag of trick….
Beyond those two I have a few go to moves that I bring out depending on circumstance, but I'm only going to share two:
1. The Transition: I move very slowly when switching from one position (let's say me on top) to another (let's say a little woof woof) stopping at certain points along the way and working in some figure 8 motions all the while changing up the pace (almost like the g-spot jiggler). The key here is that while switching from position to position my joint is always, ALWAYS, still inside her and moving. Never fails. Several ladies have said "No one has ever done that" or "How did you do that?". I'm tempted to say it's magic, but no, the truth is, it's me. All me.
2. The Massage: I usually save this one for girls at or near wifey status. I prop her up against pillows, so that she is kind of sitting up and in a relaxed position.Then I slowly, gently and tenderly massage her outer lips with my fingers. The strokes start of short, sweet and delicate and eventually build up until I'm virtually circling the entire surface area of her outer lips. I'm not even looking at her clit yet, almost like I'm pretending it ain't there. I don't go near the clit until the juices are really flowing and the breathing is really heavy. Let me also emphasize the slowly part b/c sometimes I'm at it for a looooooong time. That's another reason why I usually save the move for wifey b/c I generally don't have the inclination to put this much time in for just any girl. Anyway, to make a long story shot, this usually ends in lots and lots of moisture. On more than one occasion this has brought women to tears. I'm not kidding.
*jumps on subway and heads uptown to search for Sam Sharpe*
those moves call for an emergency cab ride
lil known fact: she was reading this answer when this was filmed…
Someone text'd me @ 0645 (thats 6:45 am for you non military/GMT individuals…wait…did any of you tell a veteran "Hapy Veterans Day?") to read this post…
at the reccomendation that I read this post, its fair to deduce that the woman that asked me to read this believes that I in fact have a Signature Move: Im flattered. But I dont know the name of it…we dubbed it something one time but it escapes me. I just woke up. anyway…the move in my opinion is quite simple…
go from missionary position to her legs on your shoulders, when you really gettin that maximum penetration
after you really really leanin' off into her…grab her hands at the wrist, while youre still inside her, tell her to "hold on"", plant ya knees into the bed (or carpet) and throw all your weight back in reverse, landing on your back. (dont do it like a stunt double)
she goes from being on her back, to being on top of you in a matter of 2-3 seconds maybe, and at that point you should observe her face making funny faces and tryin to not oooh and ahhh and what not…
dont let her plant her feet on the ground. keep her legs straight, her feet should basically be right besides your ears, face, whatever the case may be.
place both of your hands on her waist or palm her a$$ cheeks…use your strength to gyrate and move her around on ya d**k. natrually, her hands will be planted behind her at an angle to help with balance.
or…grab her ankles and push/pull back and forth while she grinds on you. this I think has a bit of a bondage/tied up aspect/effect, espically if youre a big guy.
dont know what me and her named this move…but it would be nice if she would tell me what it was…
I feel like I need a degree in English so that I can be a technical writer. I hope I created the right picture, too bad I cant give you a demo…
Damn. The visual in my mind's eye… Damn.
Reminds me of this **NSFW!!!** http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74254/2ikwjl3.gif
WOW. you dirty lil girl…but yeah,somnething like that. but thats some wrestlin moves
mixed in with martial arts, and sex…thats crazy…i think im too big to be rockin like that, im a mess around and sprain something.
But Im a damn sho try it…lol
I think that was the sexual version of the sunset flip!!
you stole my move……
shout out the Prince. Arguably the best porn star in the biz.
You have to stretch before you do moves like that. You see chick has on her sneakers. Its not a game…lol
That is too much!!!
But I'm sure my chiropractor's bank account would not mind. That looks like it takes years of practice.
I had to walk around my office building TWICE in order to calm myself and to kill the smell of dopamine in my nostrils. #helpmeLawd
BP, you're not on twitter? Shame on you… lol.
Maxie and Nia,
lovely ladies I have REALLY been considering opening a Twitter account…however there are 2 major reasons that stop me:
1. I have an addictive personality and would be tweeting while I am eating, sleeping, strike>thronxing, running…it could be really detrimental to me.
2. I just got a promotion that I worked my assets off for and Twitter may be the demise of my career because Lord KNOWS I don't work as hard as I once did when I stopped lurking and started commenting on my favorite blogs.
But I think I will open one soon anywaydoe. I think I want to be included in this overworld.
I don't blame you. Don't do it. Lol
*stretching quads*
why am i reading this at work? email@example.com@mn.d@mn.
We dubbed that move the "Ten-Over" but "T.O." for short….it really means "ten toes over my ears". if such a thing makes sense. hell…we named it in the heat of some gangsta a$$ f**kin…if it aint catchy enough, SUE ME…lol
So…I can't really think of a signature move of mine per se…I know, I fail at life. I do know that this one time I got the greatest compliment (verbally and visually) while giving head and things got a lil extra sloppy and I came up for breath with the whole string of spit and precum trailing from my mouth. He was a fan. A big fan. But that's not all that special. But I will always smile fondly when I remember his face and him stuttering, "I…I…I love th-that you're so, g-g-g-ood at th-that" He wasn't even a head dude and I converted him…I'm proud of that.
But a move put on me? I can recount a couple of those…
I'm giving Him head
noticing a theme? lolfor the third time that night, so we're starting to spice it up. I'm into it, and grabs me by my hair *shiver* and pulls me off. I try to get back on and he pulls me farther back. Tells me to look into his eyes, but my eyes are rolled back, so he jerks my head, orders me to "open my eyes and look at him", I comply, as best I could, he tells me that he's "spoiling" me and that I can't have it any more…Oh! My! God!…may not sound like anything to ya'll but I still fantasize about this over and over and over….God I miss Him. of course I was "allowed" to get the idck back…but the tease was oh so lovely
Discretion is the key to a great sex life.
Someone kick him off his soapbox. Lol
well i'm not effing anyone on this site so i doubt it would matter. lol
i with the good Dr…
my best moves are all surprised base and you never know who is reading….
CHeeKZ, you once said on this here blog during a discussion about music during sex "I don't want the music to be so loud I can't hear the sound of you being entered."
#OverSharingQuasiConfession – I may or may not have masturbated to this repeatedly.
You also mentioned various and sundry other "tricks"…so maintain your modesty today if you must, I will still mind rape you at my will.
BUSTED! Get'em Star!
sweet lady
wont you be mine…
the thing is I have overshared to the ends of oversharing. The only thing I have not told on the internets is my signature move. Its my one safety that I am keeping to myself just in case one of you actually throws a bone my way.
I haven't mentioned this in e-sex. on Threeways. On SBM.
during phone sex. This is my one dirty slightly S&M secret move. And the thing about it is… its foreplay. Unlike 'the student's or sam sharp's move which are technical so even if you know they are coming they still feel good. You can't know this is coming (pause).
As a big supporter of female masturbation I highly appreciate you painting your nails to my thoughts. Just know that I am currently going to masturbate thinking about you masturbating thinking about my thoughts.
**stares deeply at your avatar**
Oh good sir, this is going to be a problem, a circular vortex I fear…I'm supposed to be headed out to celebrate my birthday and that right there makes me wanna stay home a lil bit longer and repaint my nails…
Keep your secret CHeeKZ…
it just makes me wanna know even moreI respect you decision. I know how men are with bodies, let my avatar get a lil more comfortable for you…*passes you some lotion and kleenex*
and a happy bday 2 u
Thank you sir
The Wet Twister and the Hurricane(a.k.a. Look ma, no hands!). I have a couple others
that all seem to involve mouth love. It is better to give than receive., but I'll top there. And who doesn't know about the humming. Listerine strips or Altoids add to the fun.
"And who doesn't know about the humming."
I thought the saaame thing.
A lot of people haven't heard about the things menthol does on sensitive parts.
I do this one thing that involves the roof of my mouth and a clever flick of the tongue that always illicits a nice response but that's all you're getting out of me today.
Ok, Ms. Fab! We've shared, now it's your turn. Don't leave us hangin' on that 68 ish…
*gathers around and waits wide-eyed, notepad in hand to be blessed by the sex Goddess herself*
Discretion. Misecretion. Do a 72. [great] sex lives depend on the individual and their skills.
Max, I'm never coming back as "Sukez" to another post. Lol all your fault.
I've made it to the ripe age of 33 and yet I don't have a signature move
You prob do and don't know it.
Pup, you give me more credit than I deserve. I'm a jack of all trades but a master of none. I don't think I have a move that I could start a porn career with.
P.S- Max, I know who your first was and he looks like he should be able to put it down!
Through the years, one move has been constant whenever I'm working a clit. To add to MadScientist7 technique, I finish with the….Lets call it "Suck & Swirl"
To Suck & Swirl: pucker your lips around the stimulated clit and provide constant suction. Lightly start swirling your tongue clockwise or counter clockwise (for some reason, my partners were a fan of either or).
The advanced Suck & Swirl: Provide constant suction on the clit but start pulsating your lips (creating a constant changing puckering motion while maintaining suction) to massage the clit. Instead of just swirling with your tongue, lightly flick at varying speeds on the clit and then swirl. I like to play with this one and change it up by licking all around her opening, including the taint and then taking all of her outer labia into my mouth at once and licking up & down the opening…then proceed back to the Suck & Swirl.
Whenever I'm
watchin p0rnthinking about receiving head, I imagine this technique. It looks oh so wonderful. I've never experienced it, but I think that it could change my perspective on the receiving end of things. #TeamGiveMeTheD or #LetMeDoYouBoo
of all the cunniligus tricks that people try to give.. this is the first one where you didn't need a tongue the size of Mandingo's sausage to pull off.
I thank you sir.
My future wife thanks you.
And my future mistress thanks you.
You are welcome. Truth is, I wouldn't be able to do those long tongue moves myself. For the really freaky cunnilingus, your nose can be a useful tool.
Yes. and Yes.
sounds good, buddy.
So, this is the first chance I've had to make it to a computer.. I don't know about a "move" so much as my signature position.. (I have 2)
(now thinking about them, they sound tame)
I'll try and describe it the best way I can..
Say a man's on top.. (missionary, or whatever) I do this thing where I'll bring my leg up by his ear.. (either one leg or both) and swing them in a way that I can go from being on my back, to being on my stomach without having him come out in order to "reset".. It's a lot of fun considering that whenever I pull it he never knew it was gonna happen..
and the second one..
it's pretty basic.. but say I'm up facing the wall getting back action, then I'll totally bend myself in half.. and put my back up against the wall.. since the back is being braced, it allows for maximum penetration, and it also allows for my ladyparts to be exposed better.. (he went crazy with this one)
that's all i can think of for now.. although I've been told that my enthusiasm alone is the stuff of legends..
only one dude was ever worthy of this.. and now I'm off it..
"I'm up facing the wall getting back action, then I'll totally bend myself in half.. and put my back up against the wall.. since the back is being braced, it allows for maximum penetration, and it also allows for my ladyparts to be exposed better."
and you're in a position to reach up and play with the stepchildren while he's doing work
The Only Bad Part Of Writing About Your Signature Move Is having To Live Up To It..Some Of Y'all Now Got Nowhere To Go But Down…
My Move Is Acting Like I Have None.
*Counter Point- Reality is that you don't have to pull out your big guns every time or most of the time. Satisfaction is achieved with more than a signature move.
2 cent theory
You know, I think that you're on to something there…Him amazed me like 3 times…and that was all it took for him to be forever burned into my memory as The Best I Ever Had #Drizzy. He didn't have to be consistently mind blowing; just mind blowing early enough that that's how I always thought of him.
I don't have a signature move…but I had to come past and say how much I hate you…and by hate I mean love because now I'm at my desk fighting not to make a dirty phone call…smh…
to fight the call…is to fight the call of nature. After all, we are all writing about enjoying what are natural acts.
Truth that hasn't been high lighted enough, if mentioned at all, is that a person's signature move or moves will not work for everyone. Truth is, our signature move should be able to create and master new ones for those who deserve them. Max is right, you can't do your signature moves on any old body. Those things could create stalkers.
Since We Are Talking About Underrated Truths, Some Of Y'all Probably Should Work On Perfecting The Basics Before Attempting Complicated Fellatio And Intercourse Techniques..
It's Like A Kid Talking About Dunking Over A Crowd Of People In His Wheelchair Basketball League. "One Step At A Time Nigga"
Damn homie, which one of your exes is on this page selling wolf tickets?
I've got lots to learn, but what I'm good at. I'm great at. #ReferencesAvailable
I have some handfuls of them. I wouldn't dish it all out. I get the thing with discretion. Sharing is caring and all but I don't care though. So those things are basic to me. No more sex talk from me though. Leave it to Max to make me talk -_-
99 comments, Max. =) Let's hear yours.
Max! What happened to your signature move? If I had one I woulda shared.
Thank you ma'am
Got hit on by a meathead youngin, a drink thrust towards me by another guy while young thing was trying to "flex" (LOL, LITERALLY! Hilarious!), and my ass grabbed by another juiced up dude…not to bad for a 31 year old lol
I left asking my gf why that ish is in the least bit flattering when I wouldn't date not one of them *smh* Eff feeling old and quasienjoying random (low quality) adoration that makes you feel like you're still attractive.
Seriously though, great night out.
AND SHARE YOUR MOVES BP AND MAX! Each one teach one! It's for the greater good of sex in general!
Happy BIRTHDAY Starita! Max, where is your signature move? BTW, I only have one and it isn't anything I should be sharing. LOL!
Sooo, I was too much of a chicken to talk about my signature move but making some lurker/Max/or frequent reader/that is catching up will read this one day.
My SM is this: perineum tongue thrust. The perineum is the area between the man's Richard and ahole. This move consists of when you are giving a man head you have him prop his butt on some pillow and have him spread his legs. While you are giving him head you slowly lick down his Richard's shaft to the area between his ahole and his Richard. Push your really,really, wet tongue LIGHTLY on that area. It is a super duper sensitive spot for men. Lick, wet and tickle it with your tongue. Then quickly go back up to sucking/humming on his Richard and then repeat. I have been told the sensation is amazing.
If you are a real freak you can go lower.
*taking notes* wow.
I actually love this blog. When are you gonna tell the story of you losing your virginity?
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Guide to the Peter Brannon papers W.0009
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University Libraries Division of Special Collections, The University of Alabama
Box 870266August 2013
Tuscaloosa, Alabama, 35487-0266
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Correspondence, manuscripts, diaries, and other materials created by Peter A. Brannon, highlighting his career as a pharmacist, an anthropologist, and an archivist.
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Brannon, Peter A. (Peter Alexander), 1882-
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Greene, Peter Alexander
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Hoyt, William Henry
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Smoot, J. Edward, 1868-
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Williams, A. S., III
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Peter A. Brannon (1882-1967) was a pharmacist and archivist. He received his PhD from Alabama Polytechnic Institute in 1900 and worked as a pharmacist in Alabama and Georgia from 1900-1910. After 1910, he began a career at the Alabama Department of Archives and History, working as a curator, archivist, and finally serving as the third director of the institution from 1955-1967. Brannon was a member of the national and state Anthropological Society, the Alabama Library Association, the Sons of the American Revolution, and the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Source: Alabama Author Database.
General note
Titles on phase box spines: Peter Brannon's Medical Formula Book; Peter Brannon's "Lan-Uska Record, 1924"; Diary of an Archaeological Trip to Georgia - Brannon; Personal File of Peter Brannon; Peter Brannon's Ancestors: The Bass and Perry Families of the Chattahoochee Valley Collection; Miscellaneous Alabama Source Material from the Brannon Collection; Miscellaneous Writings of Peter Brannon; Peter Brannon's Catalog of his Indian Relic Collection; Lowndesboro, Alabama, Manuscript Ordinances, 1866; Correspondence Regarding Marshall Ney and ''Peter Ney"; Russell County, Alabama: Manuscripts and Documents from the Brannon Collection
Related Archival Materials note
Brannon's papers are also held by the Alabama Department of Archives and History. See Peter A. Brannon Papers, 1860-1964, Alabama Department of Archives and History, Montgomery, Alabama.
Scope and Contents note
This collection contains correspondence, manuscripts, diaries, and other materials created by Peter A. Brannon, highlighting his career as pharmacist, anthropologist, and archivist. Included are Brannon's incoming and outgoing correspondence; family documents; legal and financial documents; two diaries; manuscripts on a variety of subjects, including banking in Alabama, the spelling of "Tuscaloosa", the history of pharmacy, and "John Bascom," a racehorse from Alabama; a typed manuscript of an untitled novel; a handwritten journal documenting his archeological collections and expeditions between 1905 and 1907; a handwritten list of selected ordinances from Lowndesboro, Alabama in 1866; correspondence between Alabama archivist Peter Brannon and researchers J. Edward Smoot and William Henry Holt relating to Pasqual Luciani and Marshal Ney, French soldiers who reportedly immigrated to America after Napoleon's defeat in 1814; and legal documents, correspondence, receipts, and newspaper clippings created by or related to the institutions and residents of Russell County, Alabama.
Bass, Allen G. (local)
Bass, Elizabeth (local)
Bass, Mattie (local)
Bass, Sterling, Sr. (local)
Brannon, Carolyn E. (local)
Brannon, Frances Frazier (local)
Brannon, George Thomas, 1856-1897 (local)
Brannon, John M., 1833-1904 (local)
Brannon, Thomas A. (Thomas Aloysius), 1938- (Library_of_Congress_Name_Authority_File)
Luciani, Pasqual (local)
Montgomery Glass Collectors. (local)
Ney, Michel, duc d'Elchingen, 1769-1815 (Library_of_Congress_Name_Authority_File)
Ney, Peter Stuart, -1846 (Library_of_Congress_Name_Authority_File)
Perry, George A. (local)
Perry, Hartwell Bass (local)
Perry, Joseph (local)
Perry, Lizzie (local)
Perry, Patrick H. (local)
Raiford, J. C. (local)
Williams, A. S., III (local)
Alabama (lcsh)
Archaeology (lcsh)
Archaeology--Alabama (lcsh)
Baldwin County (Ala.) (lcsh)
Banks and banking (lcsh)
Bullock County (Ala.) (lcsh)
Collectors and Collecting (lcsh)
Correspondence (aat)
Daily Life and Family (localbroad)
DeKalb County (Ala.) (lcsh)
Diaries (aat)
Family papers (aat)
Financial records (aat)
Georgia (lcsh)
Government, Law and Politics (localbroad)
Health, Medicine and Welfare (localbroad)
Labor contract--United States (lcsh)
Legal documents (aat)
Lowndes County (Ala.) (lcsh)
Manuscripts for publication (aat)
Mobile (Ala.) (lcsh)
Montgomery (Ala.) (lcsh)
Napoleonic Wars, 1800-1815 (lcsh)
Ordinances, Municipal (lcsh)
Research notes (aat)
Tuscaloosa (Ala.) (lcsh)
Washington County (Ala.) (lcsh)
Wilcox County (Ala.) (lcsh)
Medical formula book Box W0009.01
Scope and Contents note
This notebook contains a listing of medical formulas and a three-page biographical sketch of the author, Peter A. Brannon. The biographical note lists Brannon's educational experience, work experience, and licensure exams in Alabama and Georgia. There are also several notes written on prescription slips from E. C. Spann in Montgomery and The Rankin House Drug Store in Columbus, Georgia.
"Lan-Uska" Record, 1924 Box W0009.02
Scope and Contents note
This journal and three letters, written by Brannon between February and July 1924, describe his efforts to renovate and modernize a farm house in Wetumpka, Alabama, and his family's attempts to adjust to rural life. His brief journal entries describe the weather, farming, housework, and trips to town and church.
Diary of an archaeological trip to Georgia Box W0009.03
Scope and Contents note
This small notebook contains a description of a trip to Brunswick, St. Simons, and Cumberland Islands, Georgia, in 1905. D. A. Andrews, S. G. Brannon, Peter Brannon, and his wife traveled together. The journal provides details of the group's travel experiences, accommodations, and activities.
Personal file
Scope and Contents note
This series contains both Brannon's incoming and outgoing correspondence, as well as family documents.
Components in Detail
C. W. Vandiver of Talladega - Correspondence Box W0009.04 Folder 1
Peter Brannon - Correspondence Box W0009.04 Folder 2
Brannon Family Documents Box W0009.04 Folder 3
Peter Brannon's Ancestors: The Bass and Perry families of the Chattahoochee Valley
Scope and Contents note
This file contains correspondence, legal documents, and financial records related to the Bass and Perry families of Georgia and Alabama. Most of the documents are dated between 1841 and 1866. Notable documents include a deed of conveyance and a letter of guardianship issued to Patrick H. Perry, the will of Hartwell Bass Perry, and tuition bills received by Elizabeth Bass.
Components in Detail
Georgia Manuscripts Box W0009.05 Folder 1
Perry Family Box W0009.05 Folder 2
Bass Family Box W0009.05 Folder 3
Miscellaneous Alabama source material from the Brannon collection
Scope and Contents note
This series contains correspondence, financial records, legal documents, and newspaper clippings related to Alabama history compiled by Brannon. The materials, dating from 1819 to 1964, include items form Baldwin, Bullock, DeKalb, Washington, and Wilcox counties.
Notable topics include: banking in Alabama; the development of Old St. Stephens Historical Park; the racehorse John Bascom; the proper spelling of Tuscaloosa; and the history of pharmacies. The collection also includes a petition and deed filed in Wilcox County and a catalog of Brannon's archaeological collection.
Components in Detail
General John F. Thompson letter, 1838 Box W0009.06 Folder 1
Banking in Alabama, 1840s-1895 Box W0009.06 Folder 2
Weaver family of Selma Box W0009.06 Folder 3
Miscellaneous Financial Documents, Montgomery Box W0009.06 Folder 4
Old St. Stephens Box W0009.06 Folder 5
Union Springs, Reminiscences of J. M. Glenn Box W0009.06 Folder 6
Miscellaneous nineteenth-century Alabama Documents and Manuscripts Box W0009.06 Folder 7
Autographs Box W0009.06 Folder 8
Wilcox County Petition, circa 1870 Box W0009.06 Folder 9
J. W. Sparks Letter, 1902 Box W0009.06 Folder 10
J. C. Raiford Deed, 1866, Wilcox County Box W0009.06 Folder 11
History of Pharmacy Box W0009.06 Folder 12
Martin Lane Letter, 1819 Box W0009.06 Folder 13
John Bascom, racehorse material Box W0009.06 Folder 14
"Tuscaloosa" vs "Tuskaloosa": The Spelling of Tuscaloosa Box W0009.06 Folder 15
Jefferson Volunteers Roster Box W0009.06 Folder 16
St. John Family Papers, Mobile Box W0009.06 Folder 17
Liquor Trade in Alabama Box W0009.06 Folder 18
Dr. Elias Benson Letters, 1829-1840 Box W0009.06 Folder 19
Peter Brannon Archaeological Catalog, 1901-1906 Box W0009.06 Folder 20
Miscellaneous writings of Peter Brannon
Scope and Contents note
This series contains handwritten and typed manuscripts of speeches and newspaper articles written by Brannon. Most of these manuscripts are brief papers related to Southern history and collecting. There is also a typed manuscript of an untitled novel. The file also contains a small series of correspondence between Thomas McAdory Owen and Alabama Power Company president, Thomas W. Martin. Newspaper clippings and correspondence related to Brannon's marble and bottle collections are also included
Components in Detail
Indian History of Chattahoochee Valley Box W0009.07 Folder 1
Report on North Alabama Trip, 1924 Box W0009.07 Folder 2
Brief History of Pre-Statehood Alabama Box W0009.07 Folder 3
Buttons: Manuscripts and Correspondence, 1919, not dated Box W0009.07 Folder 4
Manuscripts for Speech on Early Alabama History Box W0009.07 Folder 5
Marble and Bottle Collecting, 1939 Box W0009.07 Folder 6
Marble and Bottle Collecting, 1940 Box W0009.07 Folder 7
Marble and Bottle Collecting, 1941-1957, not dated Box W0009.07 Folder 8
Montgomery Glass Exhibit, 1938 Box W0009.07 Folder 9
Montgomery Glass Collectors Box W0009.07 Folder 10
DeSoto Trail Manuscript Box W0009.07 Folder 11
Thomas W. Martin Correspondence, 1964 Box W0009.07 Folder 12
Thomas Owen Papers, 1901-1904, not dated Box W0009.07 Folder 13
Peter Brannon Bibliography and Biographical Notes, 1964-1966 Box W0009.07 Folder 14
Untitled Manuscript Box W0009.07 Folder 15
Peter Brannon's Catalog of his Indian relic collection Box W0009.08
Selected ordinances of Lowndesboro, Alabama, 1866 Box W0009.09
Correspondence regarding Marsall Michel Ney and "Peter Ney" Box W0009.10
Russell County, Alabama: Manuscripts and Documents from the Brannon Collection
Components in Detail
Convict labor in Russell County, Alabama Box W0009.11 Folder 1
Glennville Military Institute Box W0009.11 Folder 2
Russell County, Alabama, documents Box W0009.11 Folder 3
Greene, Peter A. of Russell County, Alabama Box W0009.11 Folder 4
Alabama steamboat material, compiled and collected by Peter Brannon
Components in Detail
Steamboat "Minnie Lee" photograph Box W0009.12 Folder 1
Steamboats Box W0009.12 Folder 2
Steamboat material Box W0009.12 Folder 3
Brannon steamboat material Box W0009.12 Folder 4
Cotton warehouse receipts Box W0009.12 Folder 5
Peter Brannon papers
Components in Detail
Scrapbook pages of tour through Alabama and Georgia , June 13-19, 1932 Box W0009.13 Folder 1
Vilula manuscript and booklet Box W0009.13 Folder 2
Photograph of Vilula(?) - damaged Box W0009.13 Folder 3
Alabama Anthropological Society photograph, circa 1915 Box W0009.13 Folder 4
Montgomery Museum of Fine Arts, Montgomery Glass Collectors exhibition, May 8-16, 1938, Catalogue of bottles Box W0009.13 Folder 5
Montgomery Glass Collectors "Bulletin", v. 3, October 1938-May 1939 Box W0009.13 Folder 6
Scrapbook of hand-drawn glass bottles Box W0009.13 Folder 7
Photograph of plaque presentation to the State of Alabama by the United Daughters of the Confederacy commemorating the formation of the Confederacy in the Alabama Senate Chamber, circa 1961 Box W0009.13 Folder 8
Miscellaneous photographs Box W0009.13 Folder 9
Friendship notebook Box W0009.13 Folder 10


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In the 1986 comedy film 'Ferris Bueller's Day Off,' popular, charismatic high school kid Ferris Bueller (Matthew Broderick) decides to pretend he's sick and ditch classes for a day so he can take his girlfriend Sloane (Mia Sara) and best friend Cameron (Alan Ruck) on a joyride around town.
Meanwhile, his older and jealous sister Jeanie (Jennifer Grey) and his suspicious principal Ed Rooney (Jeffrey Jones) try to foil his plan. Check out what happened to the cast of the film, which is now considered a cult classic among members of Generation X and Y.
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Will Michelle Obama draw more Latinos to the polls?
With the debates done, the presidential candidates are turning to their ground game, and both President Barack Obama and GOP challenger Mitt Romney know the crucial role that Latinos will play in this election. A series of national tracking polls of Latino voters have given Obama a substantial lead over Obama. But Latino turnout is what really matters.
Perhaps that's why Michelle Obama is starring in a new ad aimed at Latino voters. The ad features the First Lady speaking with Cuban-American talk show star Cristina Saralegui in an oddly bi-lingual conversation.
"Why's it so important for Latinos to vote in this election?" long-time Obama supporter Saralegui asks in Spanish. Answering in English, Michelle Obama says comprehensive immigration reform, the survival of the Affordable Care Act and the future of education are at stake.
Do you think this ad will have an impact on Latino voters? Let us know what you think in the comments.
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Herman Cain
On his recent campaign stop in Miami, Herman Cain took some time to try some Latino cuisine, and offend a few Latinos along the way. After biting into a croqueta at Miami's famed Versailles Cafe, Cain asks, "How do you say delicious in Cuban?" Cuban, as many know, is not a language. In Spanish, however, delicious is delicioso.
Barack Obama
"I was born in an island and I understand that food, gas and everything else, is more expensive. Puerto Rico has the right for a better future. My plan offers new incentives to restore the 40,000 job which have been lost and invests in the education of Puerto Rican kids. This coming July, it would be an honor to count with your vote." Obama is really pushing for the Puerto Rican vote. He visited the island in June of 2011. The first president to visit Puerto since John F. Kennedy in 1961, according to NYTimes.  Keep your eyes and ears open for the next spanish speech by Obama.
Jackie Kennedy
"Dear Friends, this is the wife of John F. Kennedy, candidate in the U.S. presidential election... When world peace is threatened by communism, it's necessary to have a leader in The White House who is able to guide our destinies with a firm hand... Long Live Kennedy!" 1. No need for introduction. As if the entire world didn't know who Jackie Kennedy is. 2. It's nice to see she's friendly with latinos and 3. Given the Trade Embargo with Cuba has been firm since 1962, we're guessing that Miss Kennedy's spanish speech wasn't exactly detrimental to her husband's campaign.
El Bloombito
Oh yes, that day Bloomberg so kindly "summarized for the spanish speaking audience" the city's plan to clean up after Irene and inspired one of the best twitter accounts of all times: @ElBloombito. The twitter account mocking Bloomberg's spanish has over 25,000 followers. The hilarious spanish-speaking alter ego was created by Rachel-Figuero Levin. "The Spanish is just so blatantly hilarious," she said to NBC New York. "It's the diction. It's the pronunciation. It's the accent." To @ElBloombito account, Bloomberg responded from his personal Twitter account "It's hard to learn a new language at age 69", according to NBC New York. Follow @ElBloombito here.
Hillary Clinton
"Si Se PuedA!" Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, got her protest chant a little mixed up. "Si Se Puede!" ("Yes It Can Be Done") was the motivating slogan first popularized by Cesar Chavez back in the 1960's when referring to social change for immigrant workers.
Jeb Bush
"This diverse community with energy with, uh, uh, great potential and possibility of advancing our country, is going to be the one that decides the elections. And if we fall behind because we dont do the effort and or we're being irrespecutful, or whatever, then, that's lack of common sense." So, essentially, you need the latino vote Jeb?
Craig Romney
In Mitt Romney's ninth spanish-language television ad, his son Craig spoke to Latino audiences about his father's beliefs and origins. "I would like to tell you how my father, Mitt Romney, thinks," Craig Romney says in the ad, translated to English by the campaign. "He values very much that we are a nation of immigrants. My grandfather George was born in Mexico. For our family the greatness of the United States is how we respect and help each other, regardless of where we come from."
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Just a week after announcing his decision to halt deportation for some undocumented young people, President Obama spoke at the NALEO conference and schmoozed away with the Latino audience. "Que placer estar aqui con tanto amigos!" ("what a pleasure being here with all these friends") said Obama at the beginning of his speech.


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I finally present my version of the 1/35 U.C Hardgraph M61A5 Main Battle Tank
This is one of those kits that I started ages ago and got to about 90% complete then worked on other kits, got distracted yadda yadda and now I wished I had started this kit now. Reason being, I have learned many things while this kit was on the back burner and I would of liked to have applied them to it.
The detail in this kit is amazing and like the MS line of kits from Bandai, this doesn't require glue.
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Ron Paul vs. Paul Krugman: The Bloody Aftermath
It was the conflagration over inflation! The bash over fiat cash! Ron "End the Fed" Paul vs. Paul "QE IV-VII" Krugman, heating up the pixels at Bloomberg News the other day:
The video:
The transcript for all my pre-McLuhanites in the house.
And the aftermath:
*Mediaite sees Krugman being a dick in his supercilious, fact-free response to Paul afterward at the New York Times website:
what's even more unnerving about Krugman's post is the way he describes Paul's rhetoric as "Gah gah goo goo debasement! theft!" This is how I imagine Nobel laureate Krugman hears all of his opponents. Dr. Paul, willing to engage a well-known popular economist, brings up serious points about monetary policy (points that have long been made by Nobel laureates like F.A. Hayek and Milton Friedman), and Krugman behaves like the child with his fingers in his ears: "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you!"
Krugman, nose firmly pointing upward, describes his debate with Paul as "the perfect illustration of a point I've thought about a lot, the uselessness of face-to-face debates." But contrary to what Krugman may think, the general consensus about the "Paul vs Paul" segment was that it was a truly thoughtful discussion, a refreshing break from the usual talking-heads banter.
He continues on:
"Think about it: you approach what is, in the end, a somewhat technical subject in a format in which no data can be presented, in which there's no opportunity to check facts (everything Paul said about growth after World War II was wrong, but who will ever call him on it?)."
No one will call Dr. Paul on it, because he was right about spending cuts after World War II. From 1944 through 1948, the federal government cut spending by roughly 75%. I don't know how that could be at all ambiguous to Mr. Krugman.
Krugman's own response to the debate, which Mediaite quoted above. My favorite from his comment thread:
Let's pretend for a moment that the face-to-face debate was useless and didn't allow you to present the facts to prove Ron Paul wrong. You certainly didn't use the opportunity in this blog entry to dissect Ron Paul's points and present your data. The video is available for your viewing. If you wanted to you could easily use the video to take out Ron Paul's quotes and prove him wrong with dates, charts, numbers and historical facts. You did not do any of that. If it matters so much, why have you not done so?
Especially on that growth after WW II point, on which see this essay by Richard Vedder and Jason Taylor. David Henderson, while thinking Paul more than held his own against Krugman, notes Paul was wrong on the "slashed taxes" part after WW II.
Krugman also later weighed in with more contentless insults about how his enemies only talk about ancient history and not recent history, not explaining what distinguishes his currency debasement desires from Diocletian's, and not mentioning the 20th century history of inflation and economic crises and ballooning debt that Paul thinks can be blamed on central bank and government policy.
Despite what Krugman says, Paul and Paul fellow travelers such as best-selling author Thomas "Meltdown" Woods talk far more about the past century's history of what they see as government mismanagement, mistakes, bubbles, and even hyperinflations than they do ye olde Romans.
*Tyler Cowen weighs in, with a fair amount of what seems to me like deliberate pretending not to understand where Paul is coming from. Of course, one can understand what he's saying and disagree, but then one has to argue why, and I do understand every blog post isn't sufficient space to explain, say, why you think Misesian business cycle theory doesn't hold up.
I agree with Cowen that Paul doesn't explain what he means sufficiently when he talks of the need for "liquidation of debt," which could mean anything from repudiating sovereign debt to jubilee style debt forgiveness, but I think from context of hearing him talk about this elsewhere, he means that rather than shifting bad debt onto taxpayers, just letting lots of people who are owed money take a hit by admitting that they aren't ever going to get paid back, and letting people make decisions, earn income, produce, from there without having a debt hole to get out of. This gets complicated (everything is complicated) by the fact that someone's debt burden, if they pay it, is someone else's income, and I agree it's never entirely clear what Paul is advocating or why or what good he predicts will come of it when he talks of "liquidation of debt."
But it was fun to see Cowen poke at Krugman as well, as per:
Christie Romer (!) has shown that economic volatility was not higher before WWII. (Somehow that's one Romer paper which isn't discussed so much anymore.) That's a major hole in K's argument. Relative to the evidence, he is overreaching when a more modest point would suffice....
Modern liberals have a bad and selective case of 1950s nostalgia. Krugman is significantly overrating the role of policy here. More overreaching....
Demographics, plus government gridlock and lower productivity growth, make a higher debt-gdp ratio more problematic than Krugman admits.
Bob Wenzel makes an impassioned and angry Paulite defense of Paul from Cowen.
*The New York Sun thinks Paul represented a victory of Hayek over Keynes in the debate:
The point at which Dr. Paul started leaving Mr. Krugman in the dust was when the Bloomberg interlocutor asked him what Dr. Paul would do. Dr. Paul said he wasn't pressing for ending the Federal Reserve in a fell swoop. He is, he said, for competition among currencies. At one point, Professor Krugman could be heard muttering "I have no idea what that's about."
It seems that Professor Krugman hasn't been paying attention to Congress. What Dr. Paul was talking about is a bill called H.R. 1098, which he introduced in Congress in September. It's known as the Free Competition in Currencies Act. It is based on the work of Friedrich Hayek, himself a Nobel laureate. Hayek, in the latter part of the 20th century called for the denationalization of money and the free competition of privately issued currencies. The editor of The New York Sun wrote about the legislation in a column that ran under the headline "Ron Paul, Upping the Ante in His Campaign for Liberty, Hoists the Flag of Hayek."
It would not be too much to say that what one saw unfolding on Bloomberg was the power of the assertion of the ideas of Friedrich Hayek against the ideas of John Maynard Keynes. ...We would never gainsay the importance of fiscal and regulatory reform in igniting the growth our country is going to need to work itself out of debt. But neither of those strategies will suffice. They will have to be done in conjunction with a restoration of sound money. And the more debates we have like the one just aired on Bloomberg, the clearer it will become that no one in public life understands this issue as clearly as the congressman from Texas.
*My own reactions: Ron Paul is not a "pillar of economic thought" as he was introduced by Bloomberg--he is a remarkably effective political polemicist for the body of economic thought of which he is a student and supporter, the Misesian Austrian tradition. Krugman is in fact a Nobel Prize-winning economist. Given that, it is extraordinary how neither of them sounded like technical academic economists, speaking ideas or techniques above the ears of the average TV listener. That's probably deliberate. As Cowen noted, "given that Krugman is a Nobel Laureate in economics, and Paul a gynecologist, the score could have been more lopsided than in fact it was."
Paul I think was more sophisticated on points like economic imbalances caused by interest rate fixing, the dangers to the masses of inflation, the knowledge problems of planners, and the cronyism implicit in how the Fed makes its decisions about what assets to buy and how money enters the economy, and the value of competing currencies, and the actual realities of trying to use gold as currency in the current legal regime.
Krugman despite his airy attitude of "I'm too sophisticated for this" pretty much had one idea and one trick: we need much, much more government spending and debt to get us out of the Depression he thinks we are in. (I use language like that myself at times in blogging to reflect the continued employment problems, though the actual data don't support the belief that we are in a Depression and my Nobel Prize get lost in the mail.)
Paul believes that government actions actually launch or exacerbate recessions and Depressions, and are not necessary to get us out of them, because of his acceptance of Mises/Hayek business cycle theory, though it was something he chose not to talk about at length here (though he mentions it once and often talks about it at greater length in other contexts). Paul understands that real things are real and money is just money--you can't just create capital by printing money. Krugman wants to keep going higher with national debt. Would Krugman dare risk less government action and spending if that might get us out of the Depression? A trick question, because of course Krugman doesn't believe that's possible--despite the post-World War II example Paul brought up.
Other relevant links from my old blogging:
*Why some of us think Krugman did too essentially advocate a Fed-fueled housing bubble.
*Krugman's love for Asimov's scientistic central planning fantasy, Foundation.
Hey, I wrote a book about Ron Paul.
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Krugman even loses his keynesian cred. Was he pushing for MASSIVE spending cuts in order to run a huge surplus during the 90s?
No, no he wasnt. I true keynesian would.
Krugnuts revealed he had no coherent argument as he attacked Ron instead of what Ron said.
Typical liberal.
The correct term is "Krugpot".
I like Krugnuts.
Krugabe is my favorite
Do the Krugnasty.
I like Kruggymandias.
How about Krugcunt. That way you can bait Ken Schultz too.
I agree with Cowen that Paul doesn't explain what he means sufficiently when he talks of the need for "liquidation of debt,"
Ron Paul previously pointed out that (IIRC) the Fed holds something like 5 trillion in government bonds, and if this is essentially intra-governmental debt, it could be retired. Perhaps that's what he was talking about here.
Probably being simplistic, but I've always taken RPaul to use the term liquidation of debt as general requirement of free market incentives...in other words, debt must be repaid, or defaulted on, at every level (individual and organizational). The course chosen impacts the incentives and risk assesment of those who lend--be they banks, investors or bond buyers--by enabling individuals in the market to define risk. By continually accumulating debt, with no capacity to pay it off, one merely forestalls the eventual liquidation event, thus increasing the magnitude of impact (vs. small incremental liquidations along the way that provide continual risk signals to market participants)...or not.
At this point, the liquidation event is going to be unpleasant.
gaijin, your description is very good, and is what I have always thought.
Liquidation means all the actors bear the consequences of their decisions, which provides very positive incentives for the actors which are good for the economy. In other words, banishing the evil monster of "moral hazard".
It also forces the solutions to these problems to be at the lowest level possible.
Dr. Paul has mentioned that before and I believe he also mentioned housing in the interview. He mentioned 10,000 dollar homes. Banks would take a huge hit, but some of them are leveraged as much as 30 to 1. People owning homes would lose value and those buying would walk away from them. It's either that or bulldozing half of the houses and burning half the money supply.
I made it about 1/3 of the way through: too fucking long.
shorter: "krugnuts is krugnuts, argues infantile strawmen instead of points raised - PWNED by RPaul. story at 11"
Come on, man, it's Doherty. He's he king of long posts. But you gotta hang in there for the full payoff.
I prefer more detail. Makes it that much easier for me to argue coherently.
I've always interpreted Foundation (taken as a whole) as saying that even if people get really good at it, central planning will always fail eventually.
I think Asimov's opinion on scientific statism changed between the trilogy and Foundation's Edge. Clearly, the end of 2nd Foundation hailed the triumph of the double super-secret central planners.
I tend to be fairly forgiving of science fiction writers who portray futures with massive government and central planning an all that anyway. I interpret it simply as things that might be rather than any suggestion of what should be.
the double super-secret central planners
*spoiler alert*
I hope that was a joke. The book is 59 years old. At some point, people just need to accept that a plot summary is going to be unavoidable.
Sadly, Ron Paul is tiring to listen to, and speaks in a kind of stream-of-consciousness that is very difficult to follow unless you are already familiar with his talking points. I would rather see Krugman debate someone like Peter Schiff, who can explain his ideas clearly.
Peter Schiff would pop an enormous rageboner and strangle Paul Krugman. So, yes, that would be awesome.
Schiff could say something about the government "robbing Peter to pay Paul", drop his mic, and walk away. Like a true MC.
Schiff would eat Krugman alive. I would pay to see that.
Re: squarooticus,
Sadly, Ron Paul is tiring to listen to, and speaks in a kind of stream-of-consciousness that is very difficult to follow unless you are already familiar with his talking points.
You mean familiar with economics as a subject, no?
I am very familiar with economics as a subject, and Ron Paul still speaks half-complete thoughts and occasional gibberish that I have to finish in my head. He's not a very good debater or public speaker. That doesn't mean he's not honorable or would not make a good president: I simply think putting him in debates against people who are able to very coolly convince people of falsehoods, like Krugman, does nothing to help the cause.
I agree with you squarooticus, even though I have infinite love for RP
That would be awesome. Someone should get on the line with Bloomberg news.
Schiff also has that certain combination of overconfidence, absence of doubt, and blindness to subtlety, which is common among traders, and while not something I really admire in itself, is AWESOME AND ESSENTIAL in a debate like this.
(And just to be clear, I like Peter Schiff.)
Despite what Krugman says, Paul and Paul fellow travelers such as best-selling author Thomas "Meltdown" Woods talk far more about the past century's history of what they see as government mismanagement, mistakes, bubbles, and even hyperinflations than they do ye olde Romans.
That book really helped me to get a firmer grasp on how interest rates are supposed to work, what they signal, and just how fucked up they are now.
Paul understands that real things are real and money is just money--you can't just create capital by printing money. Krugman wants to keep going higher with national debt.
I used this analogy for my wayward Hayekian, now Keynesian, friend: imagine a game in which you can away yourself free points as often as you like. It pumps up your score, but it doesn't mean you're any good at the game.
Krugnuts made the absolutely indefensible comment that Friedman would be "on the left" of the current debate over monetary policy.
The fact that he actually believes this is just astounding.
Krugman and others really like to point to the post war growth as due to pro union, high tax policies.
It seems to me that the primary factor leading to the US escaping the depression and gaining post war economic primacy is that our industrial base was the only one that hadn't been obliterated.
This notion doesn't seem to get any play in any corner of the econ commentariat world. Anyone know of any place where this idea has been developed?
At the end of WWII the USA had 50% of the world's manufacturing capacity. Of course, labor and mgmt used that position to invest in newer factories and maintain their lofty position. Oops...
The death of American manufacturing has been oversold.
Usually they're selling the lack of manual labor used in manufacturing as bad, rather than insisting there's been a decrease in output. Y'know, because having people build stuff by hand is way better than letting machines do it and freeing up some of the labor force to increase productivity.
Any idea if the dollars in the chart are inflation adjusted?
Alack - it's been proven time and again that increased productivity = = increased wages, but dildos like the CiC want to get rid of ATMs and other automated processes that greatly drive productivity. Why not get rid of the Internet? Think of all the courier jobs that could be gained by people carrying bits of information to and fro.
Zeb - it's from the UN, so probably not. Even if it isn't, the gain is 700% in 40 years, greatly outpacing the inflation rate.
greatly outpacing the inflation rate
Don't worry, Bernanke's working on it.
"... but dildos like the CiC ..."
On the contrary, Obama's a real dick.
You forget that to Krugman et al, manufacturing is about jobs not output. With that in mind, all they see is the end of the world.
I do not owe holders of government paper with squiggly lines on it a damn thing.
What about holders of government guns who say you do?
I will show up casually several hours later and point out that I own a share of the ordnance, and liberate it back to my possession. And there will be cooperation.
The Soviets kept right on spending after WWII and used their industrial base to keep on cranking out tens of thousands of tanks, tens of millions of AK's.
How'd all that stimulus work out for them?
A better comparison is the United Kingdom. Which retained the war-time centralized planning until the early 50s and had a crappy economy the whole time.
A Second example is West Germany which lifted economic controls in the early 50s and experienced and unexpected economic miracle of high growth almost immediately.
Krugmanomics - Government should spend MOAR and MOAR money!!!
How much more?
MOAR and MOAR!!!
This fucking moron is proof that an economics degree and a Nobel Prize are fucking meaningless.
the problem with paul is that government doesn't create boom and bust cycles; those are natural to the economy, what government does is (possibly) aggregate them and make them worse and (definitely) bail out the losers and promote connected idiots and greedy bullies to win in society.
I hate that liberals point out that the fed is good because in the current depression we don't have people starving in the streets. Of course that is probably more due to the fact that we can do shit like grow way too many excess crops and transport crops to meet demand far more effectively.
And finally, next time libertarian economic theorists need to point out that inflation SCREWS THE POOR, HARD. Defending "savers" makes you sound like you are trying to support scrimping scrooge mcducks who want to swim in piles of gold.
also, without bankruptcy laws (and the freedom to discharge *all* debt) debt is voluntary, fractional slavery. And government shouldn't borrow because that is taxation without representation (of the future generations who couldn't have voted on the profligate spending of the previous).
Well, I suppose if the debt was immediately parceled out to the existing taxpayers in the form of a "loan" from the IRS.
Plus, it would motivate more people to give a shit about the debt.
Re: yonemoto,
the problem with paul is that government doesn't create boom and bust cycles; those are natural to the economy
He doesn't say the government creates boom and bust cycles. He has argued (correctly) that it is the Federal Reserve and the fractional reserve (i.e. fraudulent) banking system which create the boom and bust cycles. Just like Mises said.
Yeah, that's incorrect. With free banking you can have boom and bust cycles, too, they just tend to be localized.
I'm not one to run to the 'idiot masses' argument, but if you don't think that the idiot masses can start a speculative bubble without the government's help...
Free banking also uses fractional reserves, or at least doesn't always embrace full tantundem deposits. De Soto argued that it's the expansion of the money supply, regardless of the source, that will create an environment that enables regular booms.
I think this is closer to the truth. Usually the analysis is couched in a whole "ban fractional reserves" agenda, which bugs me. If you want to participate in a fractional reserve system, that should be your prerogative. (Just as participating in a non-fraudulent ponzi scheme should be)
Re: yonemoto,
Yeah, that's incorrect. With free banking you can have boom and bust cycles, too, they just tend to be localized.
They're not boom and bust cycles, Y. A boom and bust cycle is a misallocation of capital due to interest rate manipulation. What you're talking about is bubbles, which are NOT the exact same thing.
nope. You'l still have cycles, some of it is because people forget the mistakes of the previous generation. Isn't that the kondratieff cycle or something?
You may still have cycles based on poor transmission of knowledge across generations, but without cheap credit to fuel it via a constantly expanding money supply (whether there's a central bank or not) its effects will be short-lived as they bump into reality more quickly, and will require very little restructuring of the economy afterward.
I endorse Alack's comment.
I agree with Cowen that Paul doesn't explain what he means sufficiently when he talks of the need for "liquidation of debt,"
Paul means credit deflation or contraction - basically, leave the banks to rot in their own juices and the people holding the golden promises to rot with them. That is what he means.
And NO, it does NOT mean necessarily a total collapse of the economy and people dying on the streets and the sun boiling the oceans away. It just means fools like shrikey will receive their comeuppance.
While paul is correct that we should allow credit to default, Paul almost certainly doesn't understand that credit defaults contract the money supply and cause deflation. This is a serious hole in his economic understanding. Incidentally it's also why he missed the deflation of early 2009 and keynesians like krugman can mock him.
Of course he understands it. He predicted a housing bubble in 2002. He is now pointing to the endgame where the only choice left to the Fed and the government is to create the last bubble, the bond bubble, which, when it pops, is going to be far worse than any of the deflationary events leading up to it.
Re: yonemoto,
Paul almost certainly doesn't understand that credit defaults contract the money supply and cause deflation.
He understands this well, Y. Deflation is not the boogeyman you seem to think it is. Deflation is nothing more than the market reaching equilibrium after an inflationary expansion; it is the attempt of the market to reach accurate prices. Deflation is always the hobgoblin of choice of the inflationistas, not because the process is a menace but because it provides evidence of the destructiveness of the previous inflation process.
I agree that deflation is not a boogeyman. The fact of the matter is that Ron Paul did not call it. Otherwise he would have said, "we will have a crash, then a short period of deflation, then severe (but not hyper) inflation". I have never heard him say this, and people like krugman make fun of him.
It's not like there aren't austrians who understand this. The mish vs. schiff tiff is exactly that. Mish called the deflationary contarction, schiff did not.
in fact, if anything the natural order of things is to have slight deflation (not slight inflation) because technological progress creates deflation. Would also lead to a natural redistribution of wealth. The primary reason why we have income disparity is because instead of technology lifting all boats via deflation, the economic productivity gains created by technology is redistributed to the rich via inflation.
Re: yonemoto,
The fact of the matter is that Ron Paul did not call it. Otherwise he would have said, "we will have a crash, then a short period of deflation, then severe (but not hyper) inflation". I have never heard him say this, and people like krugman make fun of him.
But he has been saying it. He has been warning that the true recovery will be far more painful the longer the government's and the Fed's manipulations continue. This implies the scenario you posit. He knows this because he HAS been warning us about it.
Certainly he hasn't been warning people lately because he's in campaign, but that does not mean he is aware of the size of the precipice the US will face soon.
OM, I am nearly 100% certain you are wrong. Prove me wrong, find me a youtube video where Ron Paul predicts there will be deflation, or admits that there was deflation.
"He has been warning that the true recovery will be far more painful the longer the government's and the Fed's manipulations continue. This implies the scenario you posit."
No, nowhere in there is the notion that there is deflation. You can certainly have 'recovery' without deflation. This is a very important point.
I have heard with my own ears Ron Paul talking about the deflation, he just didn't call it that (I have no link).
He said that a $100,000 house should be allowed to drop to $10,000 and how that is a net benefit to buyers and will get the economy going again.
Your wish is my command.
"The other option is to allow the deflation to occur, the liquidation of the debt."
I stand corrected.
Given that I am a Paul enthusiast, I think it stands to reason that he could bother to bring it up more often. For purely political reasons, I think he uses the catchphrase "printing money" too often, which allows liberals to mock him for thinking that the money supply is M0. Incidentally it doesn't help that there are a lot of libertarians that make the same misunderstanding.
Krugman showed great restraint in not turning the onus of the argument against Ron Paul and his fellow Congressmen, especially those in the GOP, regarding the fiscal malfeasance shown by Congress in running up today's high national debt, which Paul seems to be very concerned about, in the first place. Congress operates under no concept of reducing debt during economic expansion or of increasing spending without corresponding additional federal revenues. So a guy like Ron Paul, who unfortunately comes across like your doddering, senile grandfather, comes across as quite disingenuous, as well as confused.
you are aware of Ron Paul's voting record?
Ron Paul's voting record shows that he's completely out of touch with economic reality. Krugman is correct to say that Paul's ideas are rooted in the 19th century and certainly pre 1907, the year J.P. Morgan bailed out the banking system during a large nation-wide banking panic. Paul's pre-Keynesianist ideas have no sway even among the GOP, so he is correctly seen as irrelevant to GOP/Dem bickering over the economy.
Ron Paul voting records shows that he supports fiscal responsibility.
Congress operates under no concept of reducing debt during economic expansion
But Ron Paul did.
"But Ron Paul did."
So what? Congress as a whole didn't do it. So there's ZERO audience in Congress for that part of the argument. As a pre-Keynesian, Ron Paul is incorrect about so many economic principles that his fiscal conservatism can't be credited him.
So what?
So a guy like Ron Paul, ... , comes across as quite disingenuous.
Agree with him about economics, fine, but that point that you made is completely bogus.
Paul's pre-Keynesianist
Just for info, von Mises and Keynes were contemporaries. Keynes was more widely accepted for several reasons. Keynes wrote in English, von Mises did not. But more importantly, Keynes gave politicians the illusion that they could control the economy while von Mises did not.
Re: bkwdGreenComet,
Ron Paul's voting record shows that he's completely out of touch with economic reality.
You mean as defined by Krugman, right?
Krugman is correct to say that Paul's ideas are rooted in the 19th century
Just as gravity is rooted in the 17th Century. You mean he should move to something newer?
[...] and certainly pre 1907, the year J.P. Morgan bailed out the banking system during a large nation-wide banking panic.
So what if he "bailed out" the banking system (which he didn't really)? The problem is not banks buying out other banks, is A bank controlling the rest at the expense of each person's savings, which is what the Fed does.
Paul's pre-Keynesianist ideas have no sway even among the GOP, so he is correctly seen as irrelevant to GOP/Dem bickering over the economy.
So now you're contradicting yourself: "the argument against Ron Paul and his fellow Congressmen, especially those in the GOP, regarding the fiscal malfeasance shown by Congress[...]"
So either he's complicit, or he's not. He cannot be both, B.
My point is that Congress clearly doesn't accept that Ron Paul's point of view on the economy is correct.
That doesn't mean that Paul is wrong.
"That doesn't mean that Paul is wrong."
Well, no, economics is not a popularity contest. hahaha
The onus is on those holding to your philosophy to demonstrate the merits of your ideas. That hasn't happened sufficiently for those ideas to be put into practice on a large scale.
The onus is on those holding to your philosophy to demonstrate the merits of your ideas. That hasn't happened sufficiently for those ideas to be put into practice on a large scale.
So in your view, no one should have listened to Keynes, because his ideas hadn't been put into practice on a large scale?
It would be a better world had that happened, admittedly.
Gentlemen, please go easy on BkwdGreenComet: he's emoting.
Re: BkwdGreenComet,
My point is that Congress clearly doesn't accept that Ron Paul's point of view on the economy is correct.
And so what? Is your argument then that Krugman should have committed an Argumentum Ad Populum by pointing out that the nitwits he works with do not agree with him?
You're an idiot, B.
If you're a libertarian, don't be too quick to call another an idiot.
Re: BkwdGreenComet,
If you're a libertarian, don't be too quick to call another an idiot.
You're an idiot for using an idiotic logical fallacy, like you're doing again now: this time a No True Scotsman fallacy.
Congress clearly doesn't accept that Ron Paul's point of view on unauthorized wiretapping is correct.
Congress clearly doesn't accept that Ron Paul's point of view on assassination drone strikes is correct.
I could go on.
1907, the year J.P. Morgan bailed out the banking system during a large nation-wide banking panic.
A Panic that was largely contained within the banking industry alone. But thanks to the Federal Reserve Act, bankers could not spread their losses across the entire economy thanks to the Congress so graciously handing them control of the money supply.
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Ad hominem gibberish
That's all very entertaining, but do you have a point you'd like to make?
Here's a quote from the Henderson piece who, by the way, declares the debate was a draw - no, really.
With government trying to set interest rates, you're likely to get the wrong interest rate, but it will be a market-clearing interest rate because the Fed reserve is entering the market only as a supplier or demander of credit, not as a price fixer in the narrower sense of that term.
This assertion would have a glimmer of verisimilitude if for the fact that the Federal Reserve issues credit in a monopolized currency. You cannot say that you can't fix a market when the only game in town is yours. I don't understand how David misses this.
But a 2% inflation rate is a small hit. I know that Ron Paul's favored inflation statistics are from John Williams at Shadowstats. [...] I had some one-on-one time with him in which I tried to persuade him that Williams is not credible: I didn't succeed.
You see, because the government numbers are credible, especially when they fudge the numbers to avoid going bankrupt even faster if using the OLDER calculation (which Williams uses) for Social Security COLA increases.
You guys get the picture.
he's correct. strictly speaking the fed does not set the price of interest; it can only exert downward pressure on the interest rate. If the fed sets its rate too high, then people will just go on the market and borrow from each other.
Incidentally this creates a path towards phasing out the fed; you could just phase it out by increasing the fed's rate by a small amount each month, and then hit the delete key when no one is borrowing from the fed anymore.
Re: yonemoto,
he's correct. strictly speaking the fed does not set the price of interest
Y, read the comment from Henderson again - he's implying the Fed is nothing more than another player in the market, as if we were talking about Apple, Atari, Commodore and Radio Shack. He's either being disingenuous or ignorant, and I don't believe he's Krugman so he can't ignore this.
There's a very good reason for Legal Tender laws, and that reason ain't the pleasure of having a standard medium of exchange.
Paul believes that government actions actually launch or exacerbate recessions and Depressions, and are not necessary to get us out of them, because of his acceptance of Mises/Hayek business cycle theory, though it was something he chose not to talk about at length here[...]
Well, maybe we all should, because you're conflating two entirely different things: Business cycle and government intervention. They're NOT the same thing even if they are related.
The Busines cycle theory explains how the manipilation of interest rates through easy credit leads to misallocation of capital to unprofitable endeavors. The misallocation happens because investors are fooled into believeing the market is aflush with capital (which comes from savings). Instead, the opposite will be true: Consumers are still spending at the same level, and can even be fooled into increased spending because of the artificially low interest rates - therelies the dislocation. The interest rate fails then to give investors and consumers a clear picture of the market for capital, entincing BOTH to CONSUME capital instead of one saving more or the other offering more to the savers.
Government interventionism may include credit expansion as part of policy but credit expansion is not necessarily something only government does. Government intervention can come in ways not related to credit, such as: price controls, regulation, tariffs, and other impediments to productivity.
"Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you!"
Pretty much the reaction of most progresso-tards to people who disagree with them. That's just one thing that makes them all so punchable. That and the hipster beards and the round glasses.
This gets complicated (everything is complicated) by the fact that someone's debt burden, if they pay it, is someone else's income,
Only if the debtor pays with interest; otherwise it's not income. What Paul means is letting banks go bankrupt, let lenders suffer for their foolishness and let prices come down to their accurate, market level. That means a RECESSION, but it's an inevitable recession because the correction will come one way or the other. What Paul advocates is for a hard, painful albeit short recession, instead of having Ben Bernanke and Obama digging a hole under the falling guy so he doesn't hit the ground yet - which is my metaphor for the bailouts.
let's also remember that the recesssion that paul advocates huts the rich, and the depression that bernanke obama and krugman advocates eviscerates the poor, although evisceration implies a fast process, whereas what will really happen is more like the rack.
I was thinking more like the Pit and the Pendulum
Is there any man with a more-punchable face than Krugman?
My cats, Mr. Clyde H. Tinklepuffs and Mrs. Catherine "Cat" Tinklepuffs, both think I have a lickable face. tee hee hee
Thing is, that's probably something the real Krugman would say.
When he says liquidation of debt he means government debt. Then it will be harder for our government to borrow in the future, which would be a good thing.
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