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The price of pitching just went upBy
Young pitching can be both a blessing and a burden. A blessing because they represent hope for the future. A burden because they oftentimes stumble early in their careers. Many teams, especially those with lower payrolls, gladly accept these foibles in exchange for potential ace production in the future. But for a team like the Yankees, with a huge payroll and a demanding fan base, growing pains are not as easy to stomach. We need look no further than Joba Chamberlain for proof.
Thankfully for the Yankees, they have the resources to sign top pitchers as free agents. This takes the pressure off them to develop their own arms, as they can pay top dollar for the best free agent arms. This isn't always the best strategy, as we saw in the 2004-2005 off-season. But, when applied to top-flight pitchers the team has coveted for years, the payoff can be great. It might mean overpaying, but it also means more of a sure thing than a young, developing starter.
But what if the supply of young, top-flight starters dried up? What if more and more of the game's top arms opt to sign extensions while they're still under team control, rather than sign a series of one-year contracts until they reach free agency? That certainly changes the equation for the Yankees. When players sign extensions during their arbitration years they typically forgo at least a year, oftentimes more, of free agency in exchange for security. After all, they might blow out their arms at any time.
For the Yankees and other high budget teams, this means a shallower pool of free agent pitchers still in the primes of their careers. We've seen three of the games best young pitchers sign extensions this off-season: Felix Hernandez, Josh Johnson, and Justin Verlander. Hernandez, who will turn 24 in April, signed a five-year extension in January. It sounds insane, but he'll 29 when he reaches free agency. That's young enough that the Yankees still might target him, but not nearly as attractive as he would have been, at 26, had he not signed the extension.
Johnson, who finally bounced back after missing much of the previous two seasons with injuries, is just 26, and would have hit free agency at age 28 after the 2011 season. His contract is heavily backloaded, meaning he'll likely be available after the 2011 season, but in a trade. At least in this instance the Yankees wouldn't have to pay in both prospects and a long-term contract. In 2012 and 2013 Johnson will make a combined $27.5 million before hitting free agency at age 30.
Verlander, 27 later this month, would have hit free agency the same year as Felix. Yeterday, he reportedly reached an agreement with the Tigers for a five-year, $80 million contract. Had he gone year-to-year, he would have hit free agency at age 29. He'll now hit free agency at age 32. Again, this hasn't stopped the Yankees. They did, after all, sign A.J. Burnett at the same age. But it's not nearly as attractive a proposition now that he's locked up for the next five years.
Beyond the matter of losing prime-age years, these extensions also mean slimmer pickings in the coming years. The 2011 free agent class figured to feature Zack Greinke, Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee, but Halladay signed an extension and probably won't hit the market until he's 38, and Greinke, who would have hit free agency as a 27-year-old, signed an extension that will keep him in Kansas City two years longer. In 2012 we would have seen Verlander, Johnson, and Hernandez, but now they're locked up. Adam Wainwright would have been in this class, too, but the Cardinals have him locked up affordably through 2013. Matt Cain is all that remains. Even in 2013 Jon Lester would have been a free agent, but the Sox signed an extension to keep him around for two additional years. Chad Billingsley, John Danks, and Cole Hamels are scheduled to hit free agency, but as we can see that remains far from a certainty.
Over the next two years, just two top flight starters will hit free agency, Lee and Cain. There will be others — Brandon Webb and Josh Beckett come to mind for next off-season, but if the Sox don't reach an extension with Beckett shouldn't teams be a bit concerned? — but there figure to be very few Sabathia-type arms hitting free agency over the next three years. And, given the enthusiasm of teams to lock up their young starters, we could see this scarcity continue for years to come.
As a result, the Yankees have no other choice than to develop their own young starters if they want to maintain a top of the line rotation. It might hurt, and we might see a few of them turn in seasons like Joba's 2009. But in future years, when a few of those starters pan out, the Yankees will reap the rewards — meaning they can sign their own young pitchers to long-term extensions, keeping them out of the prying claws of those greedy Yankees. Wait, what?
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The decision to not trade Joba and/or Hughes over the past few years is looking better and better, given that the Yanks cannot go out an buy these players, and what it would take to trade for a locked up, top-flight starter, is probably a Joba or Hughes centered package.
It also makes the CC signing look all the savvier, even if we had to overpay to get him here. When said aces actually DO hit the market, you've got to go hard to wrap them up.
Remember when people were all "Oh, if he doesn't want to play in NYC, then screw him, we don't need him!" Yeah… good times.
We have a synergy in our commenting. There's some sort of Mystique and Aura to our unity of thought.
Mystique and Aura? Has a nice ring to it.
Pretty good… pretty, pretty good.
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girlstrannies I cheated on my wife with in Vegas while my wife was suffering from cancer, Elizabeth Edwards-style…" – Curt Schilling
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Well, the problem with that is CC does have an opt-out, which we have to think he's certain to exercise. Sure, there's a chance he decides he loves pitching for the Yankees and doesn't want a raise, but . . . that has to be semi-unlikely, right?
The opt out is a concern but again what team can pay him this amount?
Completely agree. It's nice we got CC and AJ in one year but it looks like the Yanks won't get that opportunity in awhile. Joba and Hughes needs to be starters.
And we need to show patience to the prospects like Brackman and Betances as well. Top starting pitching is expensive and hard to acquire which makes developing starters the best option.
patience with those two? Your kids kids will still be waiting.
Sometimes high ceiling guys don't hit. It happens. Doesnt mean you stop trying.
There will be others — Brandon Webb and Josh Beckett come to mind for next off-season, but if the Sox don't reach an extension with Beckett shouldn't teams be a bit concerned?
Well, Joe, two things:
1. No. The Red Sox aren't some big-market team with deep pockets. They're a scrappy, plucky bunch of underdogs, the David to the Yankees' Goliath. If they let Beckett walk it will be because they can't afford him any longer because the Yankees drove up the price of pitching on the FA market by signing Sabathia to a ridiculous, Evil Empire-style deal.
/John Henry'd
2. No. Josh Beckett is a cancer in the clubhouse. He's mean to Dustin Pedroia. He kicked a baby. And he needs both Tommy John and labrum surgery. Also his knees are shoddy and he has an exceptionally weak core. The Red Sox were wise to pass on him.
Shit. That Gammons'd should say "Yes". The point still stands!
Exactly. Even if the wording isn't 100% accurate, the fact remains, the Sox are crippled by being in the 17th biggest media market. There's just not enough fans of the Red Sox for them to generate sufficient revenue to compete on even footing with teams from large urban megalopolises like the New York Yankees, Houston Astros, and San Diego Padres. Those economic heavyweights throw their big media market dollars around, bullying the little guys like the Sox out of the picture. It's just not fair.
The only saving grace is the much larger cranial capacity and greater physical attractiveness of the members of the Boston braintrust to balance out the systemic inequities a bit.
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Thanks for the Analysis, Peter. Another saving grace in the braintrust that is Theo Epstien is the combined 22 million Dollars spent on Julio Lugo and Mike Lowell.. Boston is the Little Engine that could ant this proves it once again..
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Well played.
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"The (Red) Sox are crippled by being in the 17th biggest media market."
Maybe that's true but their revenue from TV is not the 17th biggest. I was trying to find stats, but I would guess that it is in the top 8. My guess is that Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Atlanta, Dodgers, Anaheim, Cubs and White Sox top them. Does San Diego get more TV revenue than Boston?
Here's a quote from a January 2009 issue of the San Diego Times Union (in connection with the purchase of the Padres by Jeff Moorad): "The Padres' local TV contract, which runs through 2011, returns considerably less money than the Diamondbacks enjoy through their TV deal and is less than what the low-revenue Kansas City Royals command."
It is not the market, it's the motion.
Kind of excited to see how the Boston media trashes Beckett on his way out.
If they can do an all around nice guy like Bay there is no telling what they'll do to circle the wagons on Beckett.
This is what made the CC signing so ridiculously important. He wasn't just a top 5 pitcher, but a 28 year old top 5 pitcher who only cost money. As seen above, those guys simply don't hit the market. The Yankees need to keep the young stable of arms going, and supplement them with a pickup or two every year, even though that guy will likely be on the wrong side of 30.
I dont know who ever said they shouldnt sign front line starting pitchers.
That myth is head scratching.
They should always go after the in their prime players. That is the perk of being the most desired place to be, money, and winning.
Did you reply in the right place?
Looks like CC is going to get even more money when he opts out.
You know what, I was thinking about this the other day and I'm not so sure. I mean he's making an extreme amount of money right now and I'm not sure that anybody else would give him a contract with a higher AAV. Sure, he might get another year or two so the overall dollars might be higher but in the long run it might be more wise to stay right where he is. It sure will be interesting to see what happens.
This. Unless he and his family hate NY/NJ, and he despised winning that championship, he's going no where.
My prediction is that he will not opt out, but will use the clause as leverage to tack 2 years at the same AAV to the back end of the contract.
/What I would do'd
What team can possibly offer him more money?
The 2011 SP FA class is still pretty deep. Lee, Harang, Lilly, Vazquez, Webb, Sheets, Beckett, JDLR and the Duke. Nothing to sneeze at. I have to think Lee is going to be a big NYY target. He'd be a good sign, and a good hedge in case CC opts out and heads to SF.
You'd prefer Sheets to Lee?
Depending on price and 2010 results, yeah, I might. I'm just saying, he still has enough of a pedigree to be considered the co-jewel of the 2010-2011 pitching market if he has a healthy year.
IMO, it's
1. Lee
(small gap)
2. Sheets
3. Beckett
4. Webb
5. Vazquez
(large gap)
6. DeLaRosa
7. Lilly
8. Duchscherer
9. Harang
Webb >>> Beckett if healthy IMHO.
The Beckett/Webb question is a virtual tossup at this point. 2010 will be the tiebreaker.
Heading into 2010 I'd give Beckett the edge, but simply because he's done it in the AL East, though not as well as people would like to believe.
I think the gap between Webb/Beckett and Vazquez is actually quite small. In terms of potential performance, they would rank Webb > Beckett > Vazquez, but the injury concerns go the other way with Vazquez > Beckett > Webb. It basically comes down to a teams decision on how to balance risk vs reward.
He'll be a big target but his price also skyrockets with some of these other guys signing extentions. The more scarce ace-type starting pitchers are, the more their price will go up. Of course, this will also have the effect of luring more guys to free agency instead of signing long-term before getting there but some of the big fish are definitely already gone.
That's true, but the more the price goes up, the more competitive advantage the Yankees have. We can outbid teams with tighter budgets. In a perverse way, Cliff Lee becoming more expensive due to positional scarcity means the Yankees have a better chance of acquiring him (assuming they're interested).
I think they only way CC opts out is for more money. He'll get the most money from NYY. I'd be stunned if he opts out and doesn't stay, unless something drastic happens the next few years. Any real or imagined fears about him succeeding in New York (and the postseason) have obviously been subsided. And after getting a taste of winning it all, I'm sure he wants more, and he's got the best chance to win in NY.
This FO is in love with Lee.
And for good reason. Lefty starters at the stadium are a premium.
I've been thinking about this a lot in the past few days. I think this makes Cashman look really smart with his draft strategy in the past few years.
What has he used his top picks on? High-ceiling, low-floor starting pitching and possible impact bats at catcher. I mean in the first two rounds over the past few years they've picked Hughes, IPK, Joba, Cole, Brackman, Romine, Murphy that I can think of right off the top of my head. The only one I can think of recently that hasn't fit that profile is either the reliever whose name I can't think of that didn't sign and a potential 5-tool center fielder in Slade.
These are exactly the picks the Yankees need to make. It appears that corner outfielders, corner infielders and league-average inning eaters will always be available on the market but you can't always go out and sign an ace. Cashmoney appears to have figured this out quite a few years ago.
DJ Mitchell, Bryan Mitchell, Brett Marshall, Nik Turley, Brett Gerritse, Chad Thompson, David Phelps, and Sam Elam.
And don't forget guys like Chris Garcia, Alan Horne, and Tim Norton who had frontline-potential but couldn't stay healthy.
Oh, and IFAs like Vizcaino, ManBan, Ramirez, Heredia, etc.
The FO is definitely trying to gamble on high-upside guys and smartly hedges the bet by gambling on LOTS of them.
The more lottery tickets you buy, the better chance you have of hitting.
Should have said:
"The more seeds I plant, the more weed I can eventually smoke. So, plant that seed!"
O yeah, I was just thinking of the first few (and thus most valuable) picks in the draft. You can add catchers Sanchez, Higgy and Weems to that as well. They might not all pan out but there's a chance one or two will which makes it all worth it.
Weems definitely will NOT pan out.
Thus the exceptionally long-term contracts to AJ and CC – there may not be many other quality FA pitchers during their tenure. We absolutely made the right decision in shoring up 2 spots in the rotation for the next several years. This is also why I wouldn't be opposed to going over-budget for cliff lee next year, giving him what will amount to a pretty absurd contract for a guy who may be surpassed by one or both of Joba and Hughes early in his contract.
Young pitchers are getting smarter. I think the suddenly popular normalization curve principal applies to getting paid as a player (or for anybody, really), too. If you make $80 million over 5 years, which appears to be the standard for top-flight, young, pre-FA pitchers, that's enough money to live more than comfortably off of for the rest of your life, and still have plenty left over for your kids and grandkids. The palpable difference between that and, say, $150 million, is much less than the difference between, say, $5 million and $50 million. In fact, it just puts extra pressure on you to perform, and can hurt your PR. That's not to say it's an undesirable situation, but IMO, any time anybody has a chance at an $80 million contract, they should take it, period.
"any time anybody has a chance at an $80 million contract, they should take it, period"
If you're a few years away from FA then absolutely, if you're a FA at the end of the season then it's not as a choice as you think.
that's true i should have qualified that statement with a "unless there is a more lucrative option present either currently or within the proximate future"
Very true. If anyone who doubts this, they should ask Juan Gonzalez about it.
In economics, they would say that risk aversion coupled with the diminishing marginal utility of a dollar makes this a no brainer.
Neyer made this same point last night. I actually think a weaker FA talent pool would help the Yankees IF they are able to sign the occassional big fish who slips through the net, as they did with C.C. If the Yankees are able to win the top prize, and little else remains for the other teams, the weaker FA classes could leave teams like Boston out in the cold (or forced to spend $80mn on John Lackey, for example).
To wit: Joe Mauer not hitting free agency likely hurts the Red Sox more than it hurts the Yankees.
Especially with 3 of the Yankees better prospects being catchers.
Side question on catchers:
Pablo Sandoval was "Catcher" eligible in my fantasy baseball league last year. Did he come up as a catcher? Any similarities between him and Montero?
Yes, and yes.
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Well this is another reason why this year (Joba the starter) and next (hughes the starter) are so important, since we need to know what to do. If Cliff Lee stays the course and pitches ace-like again… he is the only big fish for the foreseeable future. With Andy getting older and Vazquez up in the air, our immediate long term pitching future could be decided fairly quickly.
It's an important time for Yankee pitching.
And trades are out of the question??
FA isnt the only way to improve
With the Yankees having limited trade chips besides the virtually non-tradeable Montero the front end of our rotation will be decided based on what happens in the near term.
Don't these new extensions to these great young pitchers give Sabathia more of a reason to opt out and get even more money? Because he'll essentially be more attractive since all the rest of the great pitchers are locked up?
Perhaps, but even if there is less supply it doesn't necessarily mean that he will be able to get more than 23M per year. There's not that many teams that can even shell that much dough out to one player.
CC already has a top market rate contract, and with the way contracts have been going, it may be hard to top
True, but as we've been seeing…these baseball players (and their agents) aren't exactly getting the grasp of fluctuation in the market just yet. As of last week, Johnny Damon was still holding out for more than $6M with absolutely nobody really needing his services.
If the Yankees pass on Lee and neither Joba/Hughes develop into a top rotation guy; you think they wouldnt pay CC 25m a year?
Sure…but you think if Hughes and Joba DO develop into top rotation guys and they maybe sign Lee…you think they'd still just let him walk away?
Meh, probably not.
There's still room for a CC-Lee-Burnett-Joba-Hughes rotation. You just let Pettitte retire and let Vazquez walk. Problem solved.
Got to keep up the dream Eric. why not add brackman in there now as well??
I take it you didn't get the memo.
It will be hard for a team to give him more than the Yankees are paying him already. If he opt out, he is most likely going to get more years from the Yankees.
To me, this is another reason why the loser of the Hughes/Joba battle should go to AAA. I think most of us assume it will be Hughes, just because Joba is stretched out. And I would love to see Hughes pitch every 5th day in AAA for at least half the season. I understand that he'll blow batters away in most instances, but I think the innings he'll get are more important than facing MLB hitters for 60 innings in the pen.
In a perfect world, he'll spend half the year starting for AAA and the 2nd half of the year in the Yanks pen.
The roster permutation benefit of having Phil Hughes ready to pitch 180ish innings in the 2011 rotation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the marginal upgrade of Phil Hughes the 2010 bullpen pitcher over his opportunity cost replacements (i.e. Marte, Robertson, Aceves, etc.)
Totally agree.
Plus, couldn't we save a year a team control by stashing him there for a few weeks? I heard somebody mention that it's true with Joba but I'm not sure how it worked out with Hughes
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If this were a video game, yes, I'd agree with you. However, Hughes spent the last four months of the '09 season making MLB hitters look silly. He may take it the wrong way if he's in AAA to start the year, especially if he has a good ST.
Sure, you can explain to him that he's more valuable as a starter than a reliever, but I'm not sure that'd do it.
Hughes sees the extensions the young STARTING pitchers are signing, and also notices the lack of big contracts going to middle relievers.
I'm pretty sure he gets it.
I'd still put Hughes/Joba in the bullpen to start the year however I wouldn't be having them pitch less than 2 innings in any appearance. Instead I'd use whoever it is as a long setup man. So starter leaves after the 5th or 6th, enter Joba/Hughes who would pitch 2-3 innings to get the ball to Mo and if Mo is not needed would close out the game. If the starter goes 6+ or if Joba/Hughes is unavailable you still have Marte, Robertson, and Aceves.
However if the choice was between making one of them a short appearance/8th inning reliever type or sending them to AAA without question I send them to AAA because while its difficult/expensive to find a good starter in FA you can't say the same thing about closers. And regardless of who replaces Mo we're never going to find someone to truly replace his level of play and the best free agent that year might
(forgot to finish last post) …the best free agent that year might be as good or better in the closer role than Joba or Hughes (example: Soria).
No chance they move them to Scranton. They cant justify it to the team for one. And how would the fans react when Hughes is breezing thru AAA lineups and the bullpen gives up games?
Yea I agree. Which is why I suggested the long setup man type of role. Both Joba and Hughes are clearly effective major league pitchers. Even if you have to make up more "rules" for how they're used moving forward you can't justify putting either of them in AAA. The team, fans, and media would basically riot.
Still I'd hate to see either of them put in a short-relief/8th inning type role and take them out of the rotation picture for this year and probably beyond. Keep whoever it is stretched out and ready to go when a spot in the rotation does open up.
This does make the failure to sign Gerrit Cole sting a little more, since he would have mostlikely emerged as the top pitching prospect in the system, and it looks like he could be the top overall pick next year. Still I can't blame Cashman on this one, as Cole stunned the Yanks by spurning their advances completely at the last minute.
But to be fair, the Gerrit Cole situation begat Slade Heathcott.
And while this post is about teams extending their young elite pitchers and keeping them off the market, teams are also locking up their young elite position players and keeping them off the market as well. Heathcott isn't quite the prospect that Cole would be, but he still profiles as a starting-caliber CF, which is just as important to our organizational future.
It's not like we got NOTHING from the Gerrit Cole pick. He still became a valued top-10 org prospect, just in the form of a different person.
It's still fun to think of Cole mowing down AAA hitters at 20 year old. Plus, maybe with him around people could talk about putting him in the bullpen so Joba could start
You're comparing an 18 yr old athletic OF with some tools to maybe the best amateur pitching prospect in the game now??
Stephen Strasburg says howdy
I'm definitely nervous about having that Mark Prior feeling again when we have to watch Cole tearing it up for some other team. I happened to live in Chicago at the time, so watching Prior kill it in 2003 for the Cubs was a bit frustrating. It's unfortunate that we might be in the same position with Cole, but such is life. Like TSJC said… Go Heathcott.
Greinke, who would have hit free agency as a 27-year-old, signed an extension that will keep him in Kansas City two years longer.
Joseph, nice job with this article. One thing, though…Greinke suffers from depression and social anxiety disorder. He is a great pitcher, but I simply cannot imagine him performing in New York.
FWIW, you guys run a good site. I wish you continued success.
The Grienke issue has been talked about ad nauseam. Ditto Justin Duchscherer.
Both of them have treatment plans that have now enabled them to live normal lives largely symptom free. They'd both likely handle NYC just fine.
Tommie: My apologies. I neglected to hit "Reply." My response to you is probably at the bottom of this list.
Greinke has said, he would have no problem pitching in any city except NY. Make of that what you will, but it sounds like he doesn't want to try it (at least at this time).
Thomas: Thanks for the link.
"Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don't think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I'm in Kansas City, I've gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would."
Those are telling quotes. It's almost as though Greinke expects to have trouble in New York.
As I mentioned, I like him immensely, but I think it would be unrealistic to see him in pinstripes.
Big assumption there.
Those two guys couldnt handle the games smallest markets.
And they'd handle NY??
When hasn't there been a scarcity of CC – like arms? There can only be so many elite arms available, because if there were so many available every year, then, you know, they would not be considered elite anymore.
Yeah but most of them hit free agency at least once in their careers. Problem is, if teams start locking guys like CC up, the Yankees can't use their financial advantage to get them.
I guess I just don't see this as a problem really. It is not like the Yanks just always got the very best pitchers right before they hit their primes. Most of the big money free agent pitchers we signed in recent years were past 30 (cone, clemens, randy johnson, el duque, david wells) and Andy Pettitte we developed ourselves.
throw CC and AJ onto that list as well.
Not exactly.
There's a bunch of elite NBA superstars all hitting the market this summer. Are they not elite just because there's a bunch of them?
Lebron and Wade are elite. Everyone else is somewhere under that in my opinion.
I'd throw Bosh and Johnson in there. It's not really apples to apples obviously, but those two would be the best players on a large percentage of NBA teams. I'd consider them elite. They aren't one Lebron/Wade's level, but who really is? And, you could make an argument that Johnson, going forward is a much safer bet than Wade.
Yea, I mean, I'm not really looking to argue over what we consider elite. I guess I just consider a smaller amount of players "elite" than you guys do. Just an argument over semantics at this point.
Thanks for the response, Tommie. I'm aware that Greinke currently takes anti-anxiety medication. However, pitching in Kansas City is one thing; pitching in New York is an entirely different experience. After a game, Greinke probably deals with, at most, four or five media members in Kansas City. He easily would have to face three or four times as many during the regular season and much more so during the postseason.
Greinke is an exceptional pitcher, but I would be stunned if he ever ended up in New York.
I see your point, but I'd be more stunned that Grienke ever pitches in New York simply in that I doubt the Royals ever let him get away, or if they do, they'd trade him somewhere that would extend him, a la Roy Halladay.
Greinke could be one of those guys who never hits the market. If he did hit it, though, we'd bid on him, I bet. Anxiety issues notwithstanding.
Greinke doesn't really have the build of a Felix Hernandez or Justin Verlander…is he similar to Lincecum? I know people don't really like Lincecum for his make up, delivery, etc. But just wondering…
If you had to put the following in order…where would they go? Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Jon Lester, Tim Lincecum, Josh Johnson, Matt Cain, Joba Chamberlain, and Phil Hughes (2 Yankees just out of curiosity)
* I asked the second part down below because I assume there will be a few responses? If not, oh well. But if so, answer down below to where it's asked again so there's more room for discussion.
Who would be stunned if Greinke accepted a huge deal from the Yankees???
Not like many havent followed the money before even at the expense of happiness.
The union and the other players cant be too happy about these pitchers signing extensions. Because now teams use these deals to keep the other pitchers salaries down. They say things like "why should you get more than Verlander/Felix?" That is why the union wants every player to hit free agency. To get the best deal not only for them but also other players.
this is true from a business standpoint. for me though the union can go eff themselves if at age 22-27 i am being offered a guaranteed $75+ mill whether i end up blowing out my arm/leg/buttocks or not.
sign. me. up.
Buying out a yr or 2 of FA for security isnt wrong before you hit FA. But you would be screwing your fellow players if you took below market deals heading to FA.
Because there is no doubt the owners and teams will use those against every other player.
Sometimes you got to be strong.
Screw the other players. As a young pitcher, my responsibility is to myself and my family. If I am offered a large, large sum of guaranteed money at a smidge below market value at the cost of one or two years of free agency, as long as the numbers are right, you accept.
As a young pitcher, a lot of the time:
Long term financial security > possible huge payday one or two years earlier
for the simple reason that, during that contract, if my arm blows up, I still get paid. There will be no non-tendering here.
* If you had to put the following in order…where would they go? Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Jon Lester, Tim Lincecum, Josh Johnson, Matt Cain, Joba Chamberlain, and Phil Hughes (2 Yankees just out of curiosity)
Note: I asked this above in a reply but thought there would be more room to make a list down here.
Just listing their value as of right now (ignoring contracts, but not age):
1. Hernandez
2. Greinke
3. Lincecum
4. Lester
5. Johnson
6. Verlander
7. Cain
8. Chamberlain
9. Hughes
Joba and Hughes dont belong anywhere near this convo. Yet.
I know, I put in parentheses that I was just curious.
Here's something strange. "Sky Andrecheck" wrote a topic on the Best and Worst Starting Pitching Gambles of the Offseason
Seattle was clearly #1 with Cliff Lee…the Yankees were #2 with Javy Vasquez…but check out #3??
3. Jon Garland, Padres
Age: 30
Projected WAR: 2.3 Wins
Contract: 1 year, $5.3 million
While San Diego doesn't look to be a contender in 2010, the Garland contract is a real steal. Garland posted a 4.01 ERA in 200 innings in 2009, a figure that was slightly better, but not totally out of line with the rest of his career numbers. The Bill James, CHONE, and Marcel projection systems put his likely 2010 ERA in the mid-to-low 4.00′s — a very respectable figure. Besides that, Garland is durable (at least 190 IP in each of the last 8 seasons), and he's young (just 30 years old). All of that sounds like a guy who would be in the market for a big multi-year deal, especially considering the crop of starting pitchers wasn't particularly strong this off-season. After all, he was pretty much the same pitcher in 2006 when he signed a three-year $29 million contract — a contract on which he largely paid dividends.
How then, did new Padres GM Jed Hoyer manage to sign Garland for a one-year $5.3 million contract? That's probably what a host of other teams would like to know as well. Last year, Garland had the misfortune of going to an extremely deep Dodgers team that didn't really have space for him, which probably affected his perceived value. Garland's not a Cy Young candidate, but he would provide significant value as a middle of the rotation starter to most teams. On the Padres, he probably provides even more value, as they're not exactly teeming with quality starting pitchers. Critics may point out that the Padres aren't likely to go anywhere with or without Garland, so why make the move (some of these critics may or may not be the same ones criticizing the Padres for not spending any money)? The fact is that even if the Padres aren't going to the World Series, respectability matters to the fans and at the box office and these types of smart signings that can slowly improve the club are a path to a better future.
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I agree with their take. Jon Garland is an underrated pitcher in this league. He is never going to dominate, but the guy is exactly what you would want in a #3-5 starter. He pitches 200 innings every year and posts an ERA around in the mid 4 range every year. He is quality start machine too.
He is always a guy I've thought would be a great back-end starter for the Yankees. He would easily win at least 12-15 games a year with us given his consistency and having a good offense to work with.
I like Vazquez a lot more, but I do agree that the Pad's got a great value with Garland.
This is TOTALLY on topic because Joba features prominently in the post. And we know this valuable young pitcher may never hit free agency. We also know he has a unique ability to pitch teh 8th, and teh 8th is a very different beast from the other innings. No? From Olney today, Verlanders inning by inning OPS against last year:
"There is no better finisher than Verlander in the majors right now. The inning-to-inning OPS against him is as follows.
1: .761
2: .521
3: .538
4: .582
5: .664
6: .858
7: .604
8: .919
9: .606
Ah ha! Verlander can't handle teh 8th!
/epically b-jobbed with SSS icing
If the Yankees can get Brackman to pan out next year they could have CC Joba-AJ-Phil Hughes and Brackman in the rotation. I am is everyone produces as they should this would be a pretty solid relatively young rotation.
So the path of least resistance is:
1) Pitch like an ace
2) Sign a 5 year deal for +/- $80 million with your current team, buying out 3ish years of FA; that takes you to approx. 30 years of age
3) Sign a 5 – 7 year deal with the Yankees for $20 – 25mm/AAV
4) Sign a 2 – 3 year extension with the Yankees for $20 – $25mm/AAV
5) Retire
Me likey.
Basphemy! Who needs big FA when you can ruin your prospects arms in the pen!


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Along the way, he tries to explain himself and his various predilections. His love of poop Twitters, for instance. "I mean, in the wake of some completely fabricated story in Star, you'd be surprised what a good poop joke can do for you. When I send a poop joke out on Twitter, every single time, people write back, 'LOL, that's why I love you. You're not like every other bullshit celebrity.' It shows an artist detaching from the matrix of trying to micromanage per-fection. It's about not caring. So, it's not really about poop at all."
This is pure Mayer talk. Nothing is what it seems. He operates in layers of meaning, where a poop joke is so much more than a poop joke. "He's a student of cause and effect," says Chad Franscoviak, Mayer's sound engineer and sometime roommate for the past 10 years. "And he'd be a phenomenal chess player, because he knows all the moves so many steps ahead. That's just how he operates."
"I am the new generation of masturbator," Mayer says later on, out of the blue, apropos of nothing, really. "I've seen it all. Before I make coffee, I've seen more butt holes than a proctologist does in a week."
Does this new generation of masturbator masturbate every day?
"I don't like that question, because it seeks to make me sound strange if I say 'yes,' but of course I do. I mean, I have masturbated myself out of serious problems in my life. The phone doesn't pick up because I'm masturbating. And I have excused myself at the oddest times so as to not make mistakes. If Tiger Woods only knew when to jerk off. It has a true market value, like gold bullion. First of all, I don't jerk off because I'm horny. I'm sort of half-chick. It's like District 9 – I can fire alien weapons. I can insert a tampon. No, I do it because I want to take a brain bath. It's like a hot whirlpool for my brain, in a brain space that is 100 percent agreeable with itself."
After that, he continues in like manner, revealing another one of his situations. He's in love with the sound of his own voice, always saying things like, "Let me break it down for you," and then laying into it with revelatory verbal fireworks of the kind that constantly threaten to blow him to smithereens. He can't help himself, he's got to say what's on his mind, despite the consequences, which often get played out in the tabloids and on trash TV, such as the time during a stand-up-comedy gig when he said he never got to have sex with early girlfriend Jennifer Love Hewitt because of a bout of food poisoning.
"I sometimes wonder what the fuck I'm doing," he says. "I have these accidents, these mistakes, these self-inflicted wounds, and then I tear my head to shreds about it for days. I'll read a little something and die a thousand times in my own mind, visualizing the death of my career or respect for me and my music. I almost go blind. But then two weeks ago, it occurred to me, 'John' – if I can use my own name with myself – 'The only reason you're going through these trials is because you're brave-enough to say, "I don't want to detach. I don't want to go live in a gated community."' So, I will continue to make these worldwide dignity mistakes as often as it takes to not make them anymore."
How Mayer got to be like this is kind of a mystery. He grew up in the leafy Connecticut town of Fairfield, the middle son of level-headed professional educators. His mom, Margaret, was an English teacher; his dad, Richard, some 20 years his mom's senior, was a high school principal, and Mayer wasn't anything like them. A class clown in his early years, Mayer had taken up the guitar by his midteens and had begun shutting himself off in his room to the exclusion of everything else. It's all he did and all he wanted to do — "kill it, kill it, kill it," with that guitar. He plastered his room with posters of Stevie Ray Vaughan, B.B. King, Jimi Hendrix. While the other kids were listening to Nirvana, Mayer was deep into reading the Buddy Guy biography Damn Right, I've Got the Blues and cutting out the photos when he was done.
"He kept to himself quite a bit back then, and he was pretty quiet in school but hilarious once we got outside," says Fairfield-raised tennis pro James Blake, who's known Mayer since they were seven. "He seemed pretty disinterested in what was going on in school."
For several years, Mayer took guitar lessons from Al Ferrante, owner of the Fairfield Guitar Center. "He came in holding a Stevie Ray Vaughan album, said, 'I want to learn this stuff,' and in short order he was wailing away," says Ferrante, "way beyond anybody else." To his friends,Mayer's talent was obvious. "He could play the guitar and drum at the same time," recalls Joe Beleznay, who played rhythm guitar in Mayer'shigh school band, Villanova Junction (named after the Hendrix song). "He'd sit behind the drum set, get the bass drum going, then on the down strum of his guitar he'd hit the snare. It was crazy, inventive shit. He just had it." Says Blake, "With girls, I wouldn't say he had the same kind of success he's had now, but he didn't put in the same kind of effort. His focus was on that guitar." At some point, however, this single-minded devotion to music so freaked his parents out that they sent him to shrinks to see if something was wrong (he was given a clean bill of health). Meanwhile, the kid had his own worries. For one, his parents fought a lot, which he says led him to "disappear and create my own world I could believe in." Also, he'd begun to suffer from anxiety attacks and feared ending up in a mental institution. "Growing up," Mayer says, "that was the big fear." Says his pal Beleznay, "I would get anxiety attacks too, and we would talk each other down. It was heart palpitations, shortness of breath, coldness and shivers, strange stuff, and we'd be like, 'You're totally fine. You're not having a heart attack.' His mind works at such speed that I think he would sort of second-guess his sanity at times."
In his senior year, Mayer decided he was going to skip traditional higher education and become a musician. "I tried to talk him out of it," says Blake, "but then he told me that he didn't care if he was sleeping on a pool table in a dirty bar, he just wanted to play music." When he told his parents the same thing, all hell broke loose. Their reaction was so strong that even today Mayer wraps himself up in his arms while talking about them and says, "Look at my body language. My goodness."
After graduation, he attended Berklee College of Music in Boston — while there, his father had a change of heart and sent "him a note that read, 'Remember me when you go platinum'" — but Mayer dropped out after a year and moved to Atlanta, to join its thriving singer-songwriter scene. He started off playing Monday's open-mike night upstairs at Eddie's Attic and soon became a regular performer there, as well as a part-time doorman. "He was very talented and extremely determined — as determined as anybody I've ever met," recalls Eddie's Attic founder Eddie Owen. "He thought it was going to happen for him, and by God he did everything he could to make it happen."
Even so, he could still be a shut-in. He had terrible acne and often canceled dates because of it. Eventually, he suffered a kind of breakdown — "an anxiety bender," he once called it — out of which came a new Mayer, the freewheeling social-animal Mayer, the Mayer we know today. In 2000, a gig at the South by Southwest music festival in Austin led to meetings with several record labels, during which he behaved in typical strong-willed Mayerian fashion.
"As a kid, he picks up a guitar and isolates himself because he's so overtaken by passion for the instrument or because he's not comfortable socially and is an outsider," says Michael McDonald, his manager and friend for the past 10 years. "And then at home, his pursuit isn't supported. But what happened was he became his own biggest advocate. When he went to those meetings, he would tell people how he wanted it to be, and if they offered alternatives, he walked away."
Eventually, Mayer signed with Aware/ Columbia. Shortly thereafter, Room for Squares was released, "Your Body Is a Wonderland" became a hit, as did "Daughters," from his second album, Heavier Things, and everyone was happy, especially the label, which was hotly anticipating a third record full of similar radio-ready tunes. Instead, in 2005, Mayer presented it with the cool blues of the John Mayer Trio. Says McDonald, "They were like, 'Oh, fuck. Can we please make it an EP?' But John's got a course charted that he doesn't share, and the Trio, to him, was an answer to 'Wonderland' and 'Daughters' — not a rebellion against but an answer to."
The Trio's live record, Try!, didn't do as well as Mayer's other albums, but that was hardly the point. The point is, he will showcase his talents on his own schedule.
And so forward he moves, on a journey that seems to have gone by with wondrous ease, except, of course, for the acne, and the shut-in business, and the worries about a mental institution, and the anxiety bender — all of which, sum in toto, are probably responsible for the way he is today, this willy-nilly scattered metaminded eccentric who seems next-door normal only on his records. He recently told MTV, "You get kicked in the heart by someone who's aware of it or not, and you get sent alone into a room, and if you have a little bit of intellect, a little bit of talent and a lot of loneliness, you'll probably make it."
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The Fatfield Diet was created by the town of Fatfield as part of a reality show. The town gathered together to lose weight and agreed to have the entire process filmed for a television series. The Fatfield Diet book used to be available from Amazon.com and other online retailers, but the book is no longer in print. Used copies can be found from time to time on auction websites and in bookstores and libraries. The Fatfield Diet approached weight loss with a different idea than some other plans. Dieters were allowed to eat large quantities of food that contained low calories. This helped the dieter feel full while promoting weight loss. The only downside to the Fatfield Diet was a lack of exercise support. The plan included no tips for exercise nor did it address the need for exercise as part of a weight loss plan.
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One of the main complaints made by dieters attempting to eat less to lose weight is hunger. The Fatfield Diet does not promote eating more protein or fat to fight hunger, it promotes eating more food. Cabbage, broccoli, spinach and lettuce have very few calories. Dieters can easily eat huge quantities of these foods and still maintain a low calorie diet and that is exactly what the Fatfield Diet promoted. The list of approved foods was long, allowing dieters to choose what foods they wanted each day, week or month. Very few restaurant or prepared foods were allowed on the diet, so followers needed to plan out meals and menus well in advance. Preparation takes time so the diet requires a certain level of freedom and free time to follow.
The Fatfield Diet book was written by Sally Ann Voak. BBC produced and aired the television series. After the series and book popularity faded away, the book fell out of the spotlight and the publisher stopped production. Today, used copies of the original book and subsequent cookbook are available.
- High fiber diet.
- Promotes eating healthy, low calorie foods for weight loss.
- Does not allow processed or higher fat foods.
- The book is no longer in production.
- Some dieters may not have the time to plan and prepare meals.
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The Fatfield Diet is a healthy choice for weight loss, despite the lack of exercise integration. It is a shame that the book is no longer in print because dieters could get used to eating more food and still seeing the scale drop. With proper exercise and protein intake, the Fatfield Diet could be the ideal choice for dieters tired of fad diets promoting small food lists.


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YOUNG eczema sufferers on the Isle of Wight are being invited to take part in a scientific trial at the University of Portsmouth.
Scientists at the university want 300 youngsters — aged between one and 15 with moderate to severe eczema — from Portsmouth and the Island to test whether wearing silk clothing affects the skin condition.
The study is being led by the University of Nottingham and participants are also being sought from Nottingham, Cambridge and London.
Tara Dean, health sciences and social work professor at the University of Portsmouth, said: "Most treatments of eczema only suppress the condition and may have side-effects.
"Silk clothing is thought to have protective and antimicrobial properties."
The eight-month trial will compare silk underclothing plus normal eczema care to normal care alone. One group will wear silk underwear — a bodysuit and leggings or vest and leggings depending on the child's age.
Selected children will need to attend St Mary's Hospital four times and parents will also be asked to fill out a weekly questionnaire.
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Roger, I do not want any free ferry trips? I was asking if people who wanted to take part would get any payment or travel expenses paid...
by Roger Grey
3rd February 2014, at 10:54:10
KevenNo free ferry trips for you I fear:"Selected children will need to attend St Mary's Hospital four times"
by David Blackford
3rd February 2014, at 09:15:30
That is excellent advice James - I suffer a bit from psoriasis and non-bio helped a lot
by James McAdder
3rd February 2014, at 08:30:55
My own children suffered from eczma until we changed to a non-bio washing powder.
2nd February 2014, at 18:35:19
@ b wardI feel there are many factors that might cause or worsen the condition as you have pointed out your own through experience. I feel the research would benefit many suffers of Eczema and is worthwhile if anyone can help. I asked about travel costs as it is not fair for people to pay for ferry crossing and/or accommodation (if required) to support the studies of the university in my opinion. I would kindly ask the paper if they can find this information out?
by b ward
2nd February 2014, at 18:31:52
the few times my children when young got patches of eczeme, i found that changing washing powders stopped it straight away. There was apowder in a pink box called filletti.However,lately at the grand old age of 45 i started to get patches on eczema, the cause i had started eating marmite for the first time andi was allergic to it.So it can be caused by a variety of thngs.Would be quite happy to be given free silk underwear if it is going though, although it is a pig to wash,and always goes to holes in theend.
2nd February 2014, at 15:01:20
Do the patients get travel costs and/or any pay?
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A contemporary night club district, Entertainment Place introduces new after-dark spaces in more intimate venues that offer a variety of entertainment experiences. The new collection of venues includes Blaze, a hot nightclub; Jazz on 4, an intimate lounge filled with live jazz and blues; and Comedy Live, featuring side-splitting comedy. Dance enthusiasts also will enjoy an elegant evening in Dazzles, a dance lounge featuring musically themed evenings, dance lessons and competitions.
Whether passengers are looking for a mellow low-key evening or an exhilarating high-energy 'night on the town,' Entertainment Place has an experience to suit any mood. Those in need of a good belly laugh will be drawn to Comedy Live, the comedy club where headline acts interact with the audience and provide engaging and customized performances each evening. The festive space with décor inspired by a New York subway station, features an underground theme with bright casual furnishings, glazed tiling and a ceiling map of the subway system.
Inspired by prohibition-era Chicago, Jazz on 4, with its warm tones of rich walnut paneling, plush sofas and chairs and velvety drapes accented with hand-stitched Swarovski crystals, provides an intimate experience as passengers enjoy soulful rhythms. Blaze, with its dramatic entrance of doors 'burning' with hot flames and a 'charred' threshold, delivers the quintessential nightclub experience where passengers can dance the night away to pulsating music in a hip and trendy atmosphere.
Oasis of the Seas also offers passengers captivating theatrical productions. The Opal Theater, Oasis of the Seas' state-of-the-art 1,380-seat main theater, features a thrust stage and proscenium extending into the audience space to create a more intimate and interactive environment. Entertainers make their entrances from unexpected locations around the venue and perform aerial acrobatics enveloping audience members in an experience which unfolds around and above them. The popular Studio B with its ice skating rink continues to awe passengers with spectacular and vibrant ice shows and serves as the locale for a variety of themed events.
The late-night energy of Entertainment Place centers around Casino Royale, the largest and most sophisticated casino at sea. Passengers enter through two themed walkway entrances - the first showcasing the 40-year legacy of Royal Caribbean International and the second, the Museum of Gaming, which immerses passengers in the history of gaming. The elegant and stylish casino, reminiscent of the classic casinos found on the French Riviera, features dramatic sculptured architecture, sparkling crystal chandeliers and décor in jewel-toned hues of amethyst, aquamarine and ruby. Casino Royale features 450 slot machines; extensive table games including Blackjack, roulette, craps, and Caribbean Stud Poker; and a bar and lounge area from which to take in the casino action. Other amenities include a poker room and players club.
Sure to be popular with passengers, Dazzles is a spectacular venue - spanning two decks - with an expansive floor-to-ceiling windows offering breathtaking views of the Boardwalk below. The dance lounge offers a variety of musical experiences ranging from 1940's big band to disco to ballroom evenings. In the evenings, the elegant space is theatrically illuminated with dazzling constellations of small twinkling lights reflecting off glass and mirrored surfaces above and below. During the day, Dazzles is open for passengers to enjoy the view of the bustling activity on the Boardwalk over a drink or to learn a new dance move with a professional dance instructor.
A multitude of entertainment experiences are found in all of the seven neighborhoods on Oasis of the Seas where passengers will be engaged throughout their cruise vacation. From musical and theatrical street performances in the tranquil gardens of Central Park or on the festive Boardwalk, to daring aerial acrobatic performances in the Royal Promenade, which introduces a new dimension to Royal Caribbean's signature street parades. AquaTheater delivers a complete sensory experience playing on the element of surprise as audience members witness the venue come alive with heart-pounding aerial and aquatic acrobatics, as well as elaborate fountain shows synchronized to music and lights.
The On Air Club, located in the Royal Promenade, radiate energy day and night with television monitors featuring news, sporting events and music. In addition, passengers can put on a performance of their own on stage singing karaoke or create their own music video in a private video booth. Also in Royal Promenade are other popular Royal Caribbean venues, Bolero's Latin club and the Schooner Bar, featuring sing-along entertainment. Club 20, a high-energy late night dance club experience under the stars, transforms the adults-only Solarium into an evening hot spot.
Oasis of the Seas is the largest cruise ship in the world. An architectural marvel at sea, she spans 16 decks, encompasses 220,000 gross registered tons (GRT), carries 5,400 passengers at double occupancy, and features 2,700 staterooms. The ship sails from her home port of Port Everglades in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Additional information is available at www.oasisoftheseas.com. Photos of the Oasis of the Seas


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Point Reyes National Seashore closes during government shutdown
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Stephanie Johnson of San Francisco and two friends from high school, who now live out of the area, drove to Point Reyes National Seashore on Thursday hoping to take a hike to one of the park's many secluded beaches.
But the group encountered a barricade in front of the Bear Valley Visitor Center and two rangers directing traffic.
"Are the beaches this way?" Johnson asked.
"Yes, but the beaches are closed," replied John Dell'Osso, chief of interpretation with the National Park Service. "In fact, our whole national seashore is closed."
The ranger handed the group a map of the area's state and regional parks, which remain open. Disappointed, Johnson turned the car around.
"It's upsetting," she said. "Point Reyes is beautiful. This is what we wanted to do."
Her friend, Kaylee Platt, who is visiting from Boston, said the trio would probably find a local brewery and drink the day away.
"I have some choice words for the government right now," she said.
On day three of the federal government shutdown, rangers in the 401 national parks removed the last campers and locked the gates. Dejected visitors from the Grand Canyon to Yosemite were turned away from vacations that many had planned months in advance.
Mendocino National Forest, Muir Woods National Monument and recreation facilities at Lake Sonoma and Lake Mendocino that are run by the Army Corps of Engineers were all shut.
Near Point Reyes National Seashore, which sees 8,000 visitors a day in a typical October, the closure was starting to worry small business owners in west Marin County communities such as Olema and Point Reyes Station, who survive on the tourism dollars that the world-renowned park attracts.
Tourists spend $90 million a year in communities around Point Reyes National Seashore, including west Sonoma County, according to the National Park Service.
The closure canceled all park programs and special events including six school field trips and a wedding.
Newlyweds Bowen and Emily Posner from New York had planned their honeymoon to Point Reyes months ago. They were in good spirits when rangers turned them away at the entrance.
"When we heard about the shutdown, we were disappointed, but we thought we'd drive out anyway and take a chance," said Emily Posner, adding that they would spend the day at Tomales Bay State Park.
Dell'Osso said most tourists have left the park in an orderly fashion, even as a steady stream of hopeful visitors continued to try to enter the park Thursday. About 25 rangers will stay on, unpaid, to patrol the park and control access, he said. Ninety employees were sent home on furlough because of the shutdown.
During the closure, most people found inside the park will be given a warning and asked to leave, Dell'Osso said.
"We're trying to be polite to people because it's a tough situation," he said. "We can cite people for trespassing. It's hard to miss the signs."
The closure was already having an impact on businesses around Point Reyes as tourists canceled plans to visit the park known for its 150 miles of hiking trails, backcountry campsites, hidden beaches and an iconic lighthouse. Frank Borodic, president of the West Marin Chamber of Commerce, said his organization is scrambling to produce materials promoting the region's other attractions.
"We want people to know that west Marin is still open for business," he said. "Tourism is our economy out here. This closure will have a large impact if the shutdown drags on."
Amanda Eichstaedt, owner of the Bear Valley Inn in Olema said that she has not had any cancellations yet, but is worried that a protracted political impasse in Washington will keep the park closed and the tourists away.
"The loss of access to the park is a big deal," she said. "I think we will see a drop in bookings if people can't come into the park and hike."
At the Zuma jewelry and craft shop in Point Reyes Station, owner Melanie Stone said her business had actually benefitted from the park closure as some visitors, who would have spent the day in the park, instead went shopping.
That was the case with Anna Tosick, who had traveled from Hawaii to hike the seaside trails at Point Reyes. Instead, she found herself picking out colorful scarves with her sister-in-law at the Zuma boutique.
"Point Reyes is a special place, and this is prime time to be there," she said. "We wanted to hike, but we're walking around town instead."
Stone said that the spillover business from luckless hikers will likely end if the closure continues and tourists avoid the area altogether.
"It will just get worse," she said. "We're worried."
Many tourists, like Carol Latvala of Petaluma, expressed frustration with Washington lawmakers. Their political gridlock spoiled what could have been a beautiful fall hike along the Bear Valley Trail, she said after being turned away from the park.
"It's so stupid," said Latvala, who drove out from Petaluma with a friend. "We just wanted to go for a hike. We knew the government was closed, but we never thought it would affect us taking a hike. I hope the people holding the government hostage will hear from constituents that this is not a solution."
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An Oak Grove High School senior will soon be flying with dozens of World War Two veterans on an all-expense-paid trip to see important historical sights in Washington, D.C.Kelsey Addison found out Thursday that she has been selected to serve as a junior guardian on the last Mississippi Gulf Coast Honor Flight in November. In the last couple of years, those Honor Flights have taken hundreds of Mississippi World War Two veterans on trips to the nation's capital to see the National World War Two Memorial and other important monuments. Each veteran is accompanied by a guardian.
"I'm ecstatic right now," said Addison. "I've been waiting for this for years now. I've been with this program for two years now. I work in orientations and I'm just so excited to be a part of it now, to actually go to Washington," she said.
Addison was chosen as a guardian after filling out a detailed application. She has also attended all of the homecoming celebrations for each of the five previous flights.
"She had gotten turned down on Flight 6 and she still showed up at our orientation to volunteer to help the veterans and to me, that showed me so much about her character," said Mark Walton, junior guardian co-chair for the Mississippi Gulf Coast Honor Flight. Addison's flight will leave Gulfport/Biloxi International Airport on Nov. 5.Another flight is also scheduled to take place on Oct. 1. More than 90 veterans and their guardians will be making that trip.
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It's easy to get lost making comparisons between Towson youngster Toshi Davis and professional—adult—soccer players.
Just look at the attached video.
His skill with the ball is reminiscent of a certain young Brazilian who dazzled the world with his tricks on the national stage for years.
At 9 years old, he is a third grader at Rodgers Forge Elementary School and the known as the "magician" of Pipeline Soccer Club's Under-10 Black team.
"He's technically and tactically better than anyone in his age group," Pipeline co-founder Sean Rush said.
Toshi's coach Barnie Spencer-White added, "He seems to always be a step ahead. He understands not just what we're doing be why we're doing it … We call him the play-maker, the magician."
Toshi's father Bret Davis said his son started playing on a team at just 4 years old. Toshi was part of the first class of Pipeline players, when the club was created in 2011. Read more about Pipeline and co-founder Sean Rush.
Toshi returned to his native Japan in 2011, while his father—a professor of philosophy at Loyola University—was on a research sabbatical.
"He really got into soccer over there," Bret said. "They practiced four, five, sometimes six times a week."
Bret and his wife Naomi Davis say they want to encourage their son to pursue whatever makes him happy, although they're not ruling professional play.
"He loves to win. He loves to play well, but we want to make sure he's having fun," Bret said.
Toshi's dream is one day play for either the United States Men's National Soccer Team or the Japanese National Football (soccer) Team.
"He could go either way," Bret said. "That's the dream in his head. We just encourage him to smile and pursue his dreams."
There is also a chance Toshi might try baseball in the spring, Bret added. But coaches Rush and Spencer-White hope he sticks with soccer.
"The way he glides past players he looks like a young Kaka in his prime," Spencer-White said.
Spencer-White, now in his second year coaching the Pipeline team, played in college in the United Kingdom. He's been surrounded by talent his entire life, and he now hopes to inspire American youth with his wisdom on the pitch.
"[Toshi's] unbelievably confident and cool on the ball … If he gets knocked down he gets right back up."
Rush, a Cockeysville resident, added that were it not for Toshi's size, he'd recommended sending Toshi to play with the 13-year-olds.
"We see that his growth as a player is unbelievable," Rush said.
Rush added that Pipeline is starting an organized recreation soccer league after signing a long-term deal with Friends Soccer of Baltimore, where he also coaches the high school team.
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On Nov. 15, Oxford University Press announced that refudiate had been chosen as its 2010 Word of the Year.
A big buzzmaker in 2010, the word evokes the name of Sarah Palin, who tweeted her way into a flurry of media activity when she used it in certain statements posted on Twitter. Critics pounced on Palin, lampooning what they saw as nonsensical vocabulary and speculating on whether she meant "refute" or "repudiate."
In materials released to the press, Oxford stated that Sarah Palin "is by no means the first person to speak or write" the word refudiate, yet the media have subsequently reported that Oxford selected as its word of the year a word "coined," "invented," or "made up" by Palin.
A minor point? Not really. One of the more significant aspects of this year's Word of the Year is the fact that Palin did not make it up. Other information in Oxford's press release goes on to draw a parallel to the word "normalcy," which was the subject of attention in 1920 when presidential candidate Warren G. Harding used this supposedly ignorant corruption of "normality" in his campaign slogan, "A return to normalcy."
The connection here is that, although Palin did not invent "refudiate" and Harding did not invent "normalcy," they were each famous enough to get the attention of their critics. In both cases, the word in question eclipsed the message being delivered, which is what drives the fascination of those who observe and report on the language.
Reporting on trends in the language (without prejudicial bent) is the core of Oxford lexicography. Consider some of the finalists for Oxford's 2010 Word of the Year: Out of this year's economy came the resurrected term bankster (a blend of "banker" and "gangster" from the 1930s), but of course Oxford makes no judgment against any banker or banking institution. The popular culture gave us gleek (a blend of "glee" and "geek"), but Oxford has no critique to offer on the television series ("Glee") that spawned it. Top kill is a procedure used in the aftermath of the BP oil spill, but we are not environmental scientists and do not evaluate its effectiveness. For us, it's all about the language.
The same is true in our final selection of refudiate, which for us represents not only a word that left its mark on the year 2010, but a word worth watching. From an apolitical perspective, it has been fascinating to observe the interest in this apparent blend of "refute" and "repudiate." Although we can find evidence of refudiate's occasional appearance in the written language dating back to at least the 1890s, there is no question that its usage in 2010 by a well-known person is what drew notable attention to what has been called a "non-word." But blended words (e.g., motel, brunch, caplet, smog) are common in the English language _ so common, in fact, that those in the business of watching the language would not want to overlook the possibility that refudiate, a presumably inadvertent blend, could someday (like so many once-disputed terms) work its way into legitimate vocabulary.
The other top contenders for the 2010 Word of the Year, by the way, were crowdsourcing, the practice of enlisting a variety of individuals, often unpaid, to work on a specific task; double-dip, denoting a recession during which economic decline is followed by brief growth, followed by further decline; nom nom, an expression of delight when eating; retweet, to repost or forward a Twitter message posted by another user; Tea Party, a conservative U.S. political movement; vuvuzela, a long horn blown by fans at soccer matches; and webisode, an original episode derived from a TV series but made for online viewing, or an online video that presents an original short film or promotes a product, movie or TV series.
Edmeston resident Christine A. Lindberg, senior U.S. lexicographer for Oxford University Press, is the principal content editor of Oxford's American English dictionaries and thesauruses. Opinions expressed by Lindberg in this column are done so independently, and do not necessarily reflect the policies and practices of Oxford University Press. Have a question or comment relating to the English language? E-mail: email@example.com. Selected submissions will be answered here periodically. Lindberg's columns can be found online at www.thedailystar.com/language.


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JACKSON, MS (WLBT) - A special Christmas event draws hundreds to a north east Jackson church.
A long line of cars circled Christ United Methodist on Old Canton Road Sunday night. Nearly 600 people drove through the church's annual live nativity.
Members of the church dressed as angels, wise men, shepherds and of course Mary and Joseph.
Each scene highlights an event surrounding Jesus Christ's birth as described in the book of Luke in the Bible.
"It is so important for everyone to get this feel for Christmas. They need to see actually watch with their own eyes and drive through and hear the story of Christ and just hear as a reminder that that's what the reason for this season is,"
This is the third year Christ United Methodist has displayed a live nativity.
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Manhattanmysteries.com provides its visitors facts about the term called Mystery fiction. What is mystery fiction?. Is a term that is used as a synonym for crime fiction or detective fiction. It is basically a short story or a novel in which a detective or other professional investigates and solves a mystery of a crime. This term is sometimes limited to the subset of these stories because they emphasize the suspense element and the logical form of solution. These stories are focused on realism and action. This term is usually associated with the crime genre, but in some situations it might be referred to other genres where the focus is thriller or supernatural.
The historical mystery fiction is a subset of the genre, which basically covers life of human civilization from the ancient Egypt to the middle of the 20th century. One of the early works of this genre was on 1819 by an author called E.T.A Hoffman. In 1887 the author name Arthur Conan Doyle had introduced a mystery book called Sherlock Holmes. The stories created by this author are known to be responsible for the popularity of the genre. During the 1920s one of the most popular mystery authors of all time was Agatha Kristie who had risen to fame with her mystery fiction novels.
The Manhattan mysteries is a set of several stories by some of the top writers of the genre. The stories from each author are known to differ widely. The Manhattan mysteries are based on suspense, crime and intrigue from the city of New York. The Edgar Award is one of the famous mystery fiction awards, where they honor the best literature, film, television, theater and non fiction production or publish during the year. This gender is known to be divided in several categories which are the following: Traditional mystery, medical thriller, cozy mystery, legal thriller, hardboiled and police procedural.
Some of the most famous mystery books are the following: 1- A Fatal Grace (2007), 2- Storm Track (2001), 3- Blood Hollow (2005), 4- City of Bones (2002), 5- Victims (1984), 6- Angle of Attack (1979), etc. A list of various popular mystery authors are: 1- Ginny Aiken, 2- Sheila Connoly, 3- Margaret Murphy, 4- Peter Robinson, 5- Georges Simenon, 6- L.R Wright, etc. Here, at manhattanmysteries.com you will find all information regarding mystery fiction.
Erotic Fiction is the name provided to the fiction that handles sexual themes or sexual performance. Another ramification of this genre is erotic fiction with a twist of black comedy, using mundane and daily situations to create a funny scenario for the readers. Times have changed and nowadays people are even daring to purchase and other sexual health products encouraged by these novels.
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