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Others around here at Club Polk are really good at the technical review or they can wax on poetically like the folks at 6moons, among others. Unfortunately, I can't wax on for very long and while appreciative of the in-depth technical review, would rather just avoid the beating around the bush and get to the meat and potatoes of the equipment and what I'm hearing on my rig. With that in mind....
First, the basic lowdown is that the CAD amps are built upon the design of the all-world Cinema 5 home theater amp. Cary took this design and with some refinements and design enhancements created the CAD-500 monoblock and the CAD-200 stereo amp. The said enhancements are supposed to increase dynamics over the Cinema 2 and be more suitable for 2-channel pleasure. The CAD-200 and the Cinema series amps are common ground and perfectly safe with all the SDA speakers we love here on Club Polk. Since I don't have the coin, I've yet to inquire as to whether the CAD-500 mono's can be strapped together a la the Parasound JC-1's. FWIW, the gentleman I purchased the CAD-200 from believed the top-end characteristics of the 200 were a bit sweeter than the 500 so for similar coin it may be better to bi-amp with (2) 200 versus single 500's.
It's worth noting that the CAD-500 will double up and produce 1kW @ 4 ohms while the CAD-200, Cinema 2 & 5 are a bit more regulated and only put out 350W @ 4ohms. Also of interest is that the Cinema 5 is stable for bi-amping purposes if the 4 outside channels are used for the highs and mids. This was the original plan for my gear, but the Cinema 5's jumped quite a bit on Audiogon by the time I was ready to pull the trigger (~$2700-2900 to ~$3400+) hence a single CAD-200.
That pretty well takes care of the background that's pertinent for my review. If you want to read up on the specs click here: Cary Audio CAD-200 Specs and the owner's manual is here: CAD-200 Owner's Manual Dennis Had's little story about how the Cinema and CAD series came about is worth a read if you're puzzled about how the uber tubehead came to designing and building sand amps.
I'll admit upfront that one of my main concerns about moving from the Parasound's would be a loss of dynamics and slam, especially with a bi-amp setup. I'm pleased to report that a single CAD-200, by my ears, has about 90% of the dynamics of the bi-amp combo of the HCA-2200 and 1000. Even on live material like Sarah McLachlan's Afterglow Live CD/DVD the Cary delivered the goods with deep, detailed, slamming bass, a rich natural midrange and detailed, yet smooth highs. Due to my room, I have to run the SVS's crossover pretty high (~70hz) compared with what the SDA-SRS's are capable of, at least in a more controlled environment. Despite this and the SVS's home theater slant, the CAD-200 mates well with the SVS and delivers a distinct improvement in bass detail.
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Here's the best part. This amp is so clean and natural yet rich and unfatigueing it is truly dangerous. The other night I had an extended listening session and the volume kept creeping up and up and up, yet it kept sounding better and better and better. The next day I thought I might have tinnitus. Luckily I didn't, but I have since been paying much closer attention to the volume buttons.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that the midrange is rich, detailed, and natural while the top is super clean, detailed, but certainly not bright. These traits seem most evident on my Latin Jazz recordings, specifically the timbales. Not only can you discern the detail of each strike on the side of the timbales or the slightly different strikes and taps on the bells or box, you can pick out the light tap in between each intended strike that the musician uses to keep time. All this detail is apparent, but not too bright all the while the horns aren't too brassy, the sax isn't too reedy, and the congas and bongols have lots of pop and texture and bass.
I also must say that there seems to be an appropriate amount of air and soundstage width and depth. It's nothing exagerated or compressed. Just clean and natural.
Just deserts
Everything I've read online about these amps indicates that these are likely the most tube-like sand amps available at a reasonable price. I personally have zero experience with tube amps and only minimal experience with tube pre's. If the CAD-200 is supposed to be what tubes are with the dynamics and bass control of modern sand amps, then all I can say is that my thoughts of a big damn tube amp have been quenched yet fulfilled.
All I can say is that if you are considering spend $1800-$2200 on a SS amp you'd be foolish not to audition a CAD or Cinema series solid state amplifier from Cary Audio.
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I love Kettle Cooked Jalapeno chips the best. And Salt and Vinegar.
I love Kettle Cooked Jalapeno chips the best. And Salt and Vinegar.
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I loved the Ruffles Buffalo Wing flavored chips so much that I even wrote to the company when I couldn't find them. Alas, they are no longer making them.
So, back to Lays Salt & Vinegar. Although, Tim's Cascade Jalepeno chips are pretty good too!
Also, I will try any flavour of crisp that I see (notice what I did there?) - ketchup, prawn cocktail, pickled onion, worchestershire sauce, etc.
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Being Canadian, I love my Old Dutch Baked Ketchup and Classic Dill-Pickle, can't go wrong with regular or all dressed as well.
Pringles Regular too. I love a good potato chip
My favorites were the Doritos Fiery Habanero chips. They were so good, but Frito-Lay stopped making them last year.
I also adore prawn cocktail crisps, though it terifies me when I see the MSG count on them. There is a Sri Lankan market near me that used to carry them all the time, but they rarely have prawn cocktail any more. I'm always disappointed.
I'm a big fan of Krunchers regular potato chips. Flavors can be fun but at the end of the day nothing is better than just potato and salt.
The Hanover Pennsylvania area is the potato chip capital of the world. Of all the brands made there, my favorite is Utz.
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My all-time favorite potato chips were Charles' Chips -- they came in huge round tins and IIRC, you could have them delivered by the company on a regular basis (like dairies would deliver milk). I haven't seen them in years, though, so I'm wondering if they even exist anymore.
Lately, I've been loving Sweet Potato Chips (can't remember the company who makes the ones I like, but they're pricey enough that I only have them occasionally. They're awesome if you pop a bunch in the oven on a cookie sheet and melt bleu cheese on top of them .
Dill Pickle-flavored Potato Chips are also awesome.
Cape cod regular. Simple and perfect.
Like Jenny, chips are my favourite, more so than sweets.
I love plain, Old Dutch ripple chips. I'm a simple chip gal. Although, I have developed a taste for Miss Vicki's sweet chili chips, and Lay's cheddar and sour cream.
I don't eat chips very often... Mr. Habs and I both have a huge weakness for them, so we find it's better to not have them in the house.
Cyn, I remember Charles Chips. We always got them from my Dad's clients at holiday time. That and the big can of different flavored popcorn. And a bottle of some liquor, of some sort. Sometimes we would get the Italian "boot" filled with cherries, soaking in grain alcohol. My brother and I decided to (sneak) try a cherry once (we were about 5 & 8) almost fell over, they were so strong! Love sweet potato ships! A bunch of companies are jumping on that band wagon recently.
We have a grocery store near us that was making homemade chips for a while. They were beyond belief YUM! I don't know why they stopped making them.
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Really. (Well, actually, I'm the assistant) We test 1000's of individual varieties for chip quality, to find new and better choices for the farmer and processor.
The best chips are still hot from the fryer. I never get tired of them.
We eliminate clones that are not nice and white, but personally, I like the ones that have more colour. The colour is caused my the sugars in the potato caramelizing, and it's yummy.
I like my chips fried, not baked. I like Lays better than Old Dutch, and I prefer plain with lots of cream cheese dip. I don't like kettle cooked chips. They hurt my mouth too.
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Jamie Lyon, ACCA head of corporate sector and co-author, says: 'With finance transformation, and the growth of shared services, outsourcing, and increasingly global business service operations much of tomorrow's finance talent and perhaps some CFOs of the future in the largest businesses may emerge from these super hubs, where shared services and outsourcing is established in a handful of cities that become magnets for career progression. Concentration in fewer locations may also push the transformation of finance delivery to further embrace technology and encourage even greater levels of innovation.'
Deborah Kops, managing principal of sourcingchange.com and co-author of the report, adds: 'Finance leaders are realising that the future looks quite different to what they experienced when they climbed the career ladder. The move towards increasingly global business models and the expanding remit of the finance function creates a need for new capabilities. Add changing demographics and on-going technology developments, and the talent equation looks quite different.'
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After the kind of beatings he's taken recently, it wouldn't surprise me if he went the way of Chuck Liddell and Andre Arlovski.
yup if Werdum beats Cain that would be JDS' best chance to reclaim gold, or if JDS can somehow get a fight against DC and win. Personally I think JDS is done being a force and Werdum will not get it to the ground, make way for the Warmaster
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Do you think it's possible that they fight for a fourth time? I mean, I know they ain't no spring chickens but they aren't ancient by any means. Could a fourth fight happen a few years from now if Cain remains the champ and JDS runs through everyone else as well?
The only way a 4th fight happens is if Cain loses the belt and JDS beats the person who took the title. There is just no need to ever do a 4th fight other than that. Who really wants to see JDS take another beating like that? I was yelling at my tv several times for the fight to be stopped. He should have never seen the 4th and 5th rounds. It was brutal to watch.
Obviously it can happen, but that will take a really long time and JDS must really destroy everybody from now.
Right now the UFC would be unable to hype a 4th fight between them "JDS KOd Cain in 1 minute in their first fight, but then Cain absolutely fucking destroyed Cigano for 10 rounds in a row".
BTW I am not sure that Cigano will destroy everybody from now, because I guess that Cain not only destroyed him, but he also destroyed his confidence, and also I think that Cigano's chin will be more weak now, and that is a huge factor for the HW division.
Do you think it's possible that they fight for a fourth time? I mean, I know they ain't no spring chickens but they aren't ancient by any means. Could a fourth fight happen a few years from now if Cain remains the champ and JDS runs through everyone else as well?
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Damn that really sucks!
It may be very dangerous that he does not remember anything from the fight, I hope he does not suffer serious brain damage in the future.
You gotta agree with Dana when he said that if his team cared about his health and safety, they should have thrown in the towel. I think when a fighter takes that kinda punishment, and he is in fact on "auto-pilot", a ringside physician needs to evaluate between rounds to see if a fighter can describe what happened in the previous round or even know what round # is next. If his team did think JDS was on "auto-pilot", what good was it to give him instructions when he most likely wasn't comprehending what they were saying.
As a cornerman it's a big gamble to throw in the towel, cause you wanna give him a chance for a comeback, but you dont want him to take any more punishment. Perhaps a neutral cornerman for each fighter, whose only job is to stop the fight if deemed appropriate, without the worry of giving the fighter a chance for a comeback.
Damn that really sucks!
It may be very dangerous that he does not remember anything from the fight, I hope he does not suffer serious brain damage in the future.
Originally Posted by Masscore
That fight should have been stopped in the 3rd. One of the worse non-stoppages I have seen. JDS took nearly two rounds of an unneeded beating that could have taken years off his career.
Also how long until Cain is in the discussion for the number 1 P4P fighter?
Interesting reports coming out which seems to lend credence to JDS taking unnecessary punishment:
According to a report from Brazil's Globo, dos Santos was said at the hospital to not know what happened in the fight. Per the report, dos Santos thought he had been stopped in the second round, and didn't remember the post-fight interview with Rogan. Additionally, his team thought he was essentially on auto-pilot early on after taking some of those shots.
I REALLY wish he had moved behind his jab and protected after throwing a punch.
Cain's boxing was simply better and JDS couldn't keep him from pushing him against the cage.
I think JDS should've taken a page from Goose's playbook and used some footwork. For how much he loves boxing I thought his footwork looked bad again against Cain. I expected to see him adjust from their second fight by sticking, moving, and defending any take downs that got through his jabs. It didn't really look like he had done anything different for preparing for this fight since the 2nd fight. Cain is a monster though. Gonna be tough for someone to beat him. I think someone with good reach, a strong jab, great footwork, and decent wrestling can....that's easy to say, not so easy to do. ha!
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Balerion wrote:Kreistor wrote:Ossomer is magically influenced, and not an example of Free Will. The magic could come from Croakamancy, but that would not permit any Turning. Since Ossomer does Turn, then the enslavement comes from Wanda's capacity for Thinkamancy, not Croakamancy. This has many repercussions for Decryption, but that is a different conversation.
Who cares what school it comes from?
Those that analyze the Arkentools, for one. Are their powers constant (ie. they have a set of powers that never change, regardless of who attunes) or relative (ie. somehow created in response to the will of the attuned user)? If the Arkenpliers merely amplifies Wanda's powers, then they would only create Decrypted in her hands. In another attuned user's hands, like say Ace, they might create legions of Power Armor for the troops.
Magic in Erfworld still is taking effect by physical manifestations of some kind. So regardless of the school, its effecting the loyalty stat would be my claim. And since that requires a lot less invention of new ways of magic working (ie how to make someone loyal to you and not turn), I think its a good assumption. And the first part of that statement? exactly what we are arguing about. My contention is that free will and magical influence (which is basically what the hidden stats are anyway) can coexist just fine. One is in control or the other; either the loyalty stat means you can't turn no matter how much you want to, or you get to make the choice. Which is in control fluctuates, and can be altered; and when the magic dominates, free will doesn't exist. But which rules is dependent on die rolls.
And how do you propose proving it? Like I said repeatedly: you can invent mathematical representations of anything, especially with limited data. In fact, that's a great part of science... coming up with mathematical models to simulate observed data... but that you can reduce some aspects of observed behavior to a set of rules does not prove that you discovered Rules behind the universe.
And that is why those that turn can be looked down on; they did not turn because they failed a roll. They turned because when they were given a moment of true free will, when the loyalty check failed, they used it to betray their side.
Can you prove it? Can Erfworlders? You have a proposal that may fit all data points, but is that proof enough to vilify someone so much that you ostracize them? Are you that certain that you're right?
That cultist example is a really poor analogy. Ossomer was not slowly brought out of brainwashing. He, in the space of seconds, went from "I can't turn" to turned. Because a person vanished from his hex. There is no comparison between the situations. I am going to keep pounding that line "I can't" as indicative of what his will wanted; something inhibited him from acting on what his will had decided.
I actually challenge you to find a real world example that functions the way i have described the loyalty stat.
Nothing starts and stops instantly in our universe: it's part of our reality. That is only possible in fiction or bad non-fiction. The closest you can get is the comedown from something like a mind-altering drug. Some can quit fairly quickly.
physics can tell me I can't read comics at work cause it decided i was too loyal to my boss if it was Erfworld physics. I don't get a chance to make a choice unless I fail that loyalty check; then free will is all mine, and I can read all the comics I want, if that is the decision I make.
Yeah, look up some of the date rape drugs. The whole point to them is to get you to do things you normally wouldn't, and then make you forget having done it. Quite insidious. Those leave the parallel of Loyalty, though, so I still prefer the brain washing example, despite that it doesn't act like a light switch when coming out of it, leaving aftereffects of bad judgement for decades.


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Where can you hear SDA today? I wish it were different. How many specialists are left? Just thinking out loud...would you be interesting in some sort of In-Home demo program supported by us? Say someone expresses interest and we give them your contact info to set up a demo with you?
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I had some 12's and 4's in the SDA family and they were superb. I loved the boxless and trasparent musicality. I remember lusting after the SDA-SRS. To this day, SDA's are a great sounding speaker line. Starting in the 80's with the inane "Digital ready" to many vapid market trends have ruined a good thing. SDA, RTA, Monitors...they all work perfectly for music or HT. No need for the latest trend, specialized drivers or hype.
I would be willing to allow potential buyers to come over to my home and listen to my 1.2TLs. Count me in:D
An idea for Polk to consider is a "CUSTOM ORDER" option. Polk could crunch numbers and let Polk members know what it would cost to have one pair of speakers custom made, ten pairs made , etc. They can be called "xxx Anniversary Edition":D
Obviously, there is a certain price point that would make this endeavor worth the effort for Polk, based on a certain number of speakers made at one time. Additionally, there is a certain price point that will trigger serious interest (especially in this current economy) from consumers.
So the question to Polk is: How many pairs of one particular speaker model (1.2TL, etc) must be ordered (and paid for in advance), in order for Polk to manufacture and make a profit as well as satisfy the growing number of loyal Polkies?
If it results in 50 pairs of the 1.2TLs being made at one time and the price being $5,000/pair, count me in. If the price exceeds $5,000 but is less than $10,000, count me in and I will pay an additional $100.00 for you not to tell my wife that I bought another pair of Polk speakers.
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Couldn't one just build their own SDA's with higher end drivers and tweeters with a custom built crossover for less then $5000? not necessarily using polks drivers and tweeters?
Just thinking out loud, some of you guys that understand the ends and outs of this better then I might be able to chime in on this thought. I would think that some one has tried it. I know Ben built his but he still used polks drivers if I'm not mistaken.
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I guess it'd depend on where the Patents stand at this point whether or not you could legally "make" your own SDA type speakers. There is another route to getting something very similar to the SDA effect and it can be done with todays smaller speaker enclosures. Vintage Carver preamps plus several stand alone units produce "Sonic Holography". I prefer SDA myself and almost every piece of gear I own is Carver ! There are still people who debate until they're blue in the face who came up with the effect first, and who had to pay who off in a settlement..........I don't know, I DON"T CARE ! I tried SH on my Monitor 10s using a Carver C-11 pre & TFM-35 amp, after a LOT of fussing with placement of the 10s............damned if it didn't sound like Stereo Dimensional Array !!;):D PS: Sunfires have SH too.
To me Carvers SH was never convincing and I would never mistake it for SDA's. Polk has the active technology to pull off a more modern version of the SDA's (as in smaller less intrusive cabinets). If you went strictly passive then the cabinets pretty much have to stay the same in order to utilize the dimensional drivers properly.
The Surround Bar's that Polk produces have an active circuit that "tricks" the mind using DSP algorithms which took Matt and a few others over 7 years to perfect. It was discussed by Matt Polk that *IF* he were to do a modern day SDA he'd most likely use a combination of active and passive methods. Much like his own personal LSi 9's configured in a modern day SDA arrangement using both active and passive methods.
All I can say is don't hold your breath
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gdb: the earliest Polk patents refer to the Carver patents as "prior art" and explain what's different. The patents were granted so the patent examiners accepted the differences. Polk also refers to patents by Hafler, Cohen, and several others that experimented with methods for more realistic acoustic image. Pretty interesting stuff to read through.
I imagine most of these early Polk patents (from mid/late 80's) are expired.
Are you saying there was some settlement between Polk and Carver? I wasn't aware of that. It would seem like a pretty concrete outcome though, so I'm not sure why there would be debates. Got any more info on that?
No one can say for sure what transpired between Bob Carver & Matthew Polk except the two of them...
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As for patents, so long as Polk doesn't use any new patents, they can freely use any expired. McIntosh Labs still produces the same products from decades back; the reason they're the only ones producing some of the amps is because the techniques McIntosh patented are difficult (but not illegal) to reproduce.
To be honest, I could see Polk reviving the SDA's. Producing three models would probably be their best bet; a lower-end for small rooms, a middle-end, and a high-end. Perhaps to release a factory version of the 4.1TL's (CRS+'s), 1C's, and 1.2TL's. The backbone for distributing high-end products that weigh hundreds of pounds exists; McIntosh equipment being available only in B&M's and weighing >100lbs a box proves it. Surely, new SDA's wouldn't be available in a Walmart, Best Buy, or FYE. Directly ordering the smaller loudspeakers or having a "white glove" delivery & setup service may be the best idea (like what Newegg does for some of their largest products; server racks, some televisions, and large appliances).
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My 2 cents.
A smaller, stand mounted SDA speakers that are the size of a LSi9 sitting horizontal. They could stand alone or be paired with a subwoofer or pair of sub woofers that could also be the stand mount if the owner wanted 2 subwoofers. A matching center channel and package/market it as a HT system that is also a respectable 2 channel set up. I would think that a ported SDA series would be smaller and have a better WAF and fit into today's decor.
I personally like what SDA does with my 5.1 system while watching TV or movies.
I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
I'm new to this post and just acquired a pair of SDA 2B's and a pair of Monitor 10's from the same gentleman. I was running two pair of Pioneer CS 99A's. I know you guys aren't impressed with those in terms of sound. I love the build quality of the cabinets.
Having said that, the Polks are really great sounding. I researched room placement and played around with that for a solid week, winding up more than pleased. The guy who sold them to me made his own interconnect cable, but it turned out he didn't do it right. One wire & not a second to the spade sockets. Once I built a set according to a post on another site, the SDA effect just came alive! I'm blown away. I then realized the limits of my Marantz 140/3600 setup. The amp just didn't have the balls at higher listening levels and immediately started clipping.
I then fired up the Pioneer SX 1010 and was more pleased. I could drive the SDA's and/or the 10's with no problems. Apparently, the SDA's like higher current & more watts. I was pleased, but curious so I got out the Kenwood KR 9600. Same result, improved clean sound at even higher levels. however I've gone back to the 1010 because of an obviously better bass response. At least that's what my ears tell me.
Incidentally, the guy who sold the Polks to me has the SRS 1.2's Bi-amped with Pioneer Spec 2 amps/Spec 1 Pre. He doesn't have the best listening area, very long & narrow room in the basement. I've spoken with him about critical placement & correct interconnect cabling, so he's in for a surprise. Thanks for all the knowledge passed around here guys.
Welcome to the forum... it's fun when a new Polkie is christened by not one, but two pairs of speakers! :D
SDA's are an outdated technology. If you want to understand how the SDA system works take a look at this whitepaper.
The premise is that the recording point is somewhere out in the stage, where both L and R audio signals from the source speakers converge. Today's recordings are tapped at source, meaning the recording audio signals are captured at the same point they make their way to the source speakers (either on stage or in movie recordings). This eliminates any of the intra-aural crosstalk that these speakers are trying to get rid of in the first place. The result is that some of the frequencies that both channels were supposed to output are cancelled out or diminished in this speaker system. This is true typically of low frequency signals, resulting is less bass than what the actual soundstage had.
Its not a good technology for today. May have worked for live recordings in concerts but not anything else.
Right..... They suck for studio recordings....
Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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Hello ES,
You're probably going to get as much flack from your posting as an unescorted B17 flying over Berlin in the daylight in 1942.
The crosstalk the SDA speakers were designed to reduce is not so much the result of the recording technique used, but rather what happens when two speakers are placed in a room. Sound from the left channel reaches the left ear, but some of it is heard by the right ear. The same thing happens with the sound produced by the right audio channel. The result is a diluting of the stereo image potential. Next time you're listening to a sound system try this experiment. Place one of your hands vertically between your eyes, resting the edge of your hand close to your head. Then take the other hand and place it in front of the first one, creating a barrier between the left half and right half of your face. See how this changes the stereo image you hear, strengthening the sound-stage.
I'm sure many other SDA owners will chime in and give you their experience.
You might want to put on that flack jacket, now.
Cheers, Ken
While the technology IS dated, it works wonderfully.
Especially on "outdated" recordings, older stuff with lots
of separation in the recording. And for the money how do you
beat SDA's ?
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My dad used to talk abut how he could never forget about this, could remember where he was the moment he learned about it. He was only 7 when it happened, guess it left a major impression
The 9/11 of his generation.
The Kennedy assassination was it for my age group (10-11). You can't help but remember where you were. It's burned in.
It can go back VERY far.
In 1956 my "Nouna" (Greek for godmother) was visiting us from California. She and I were going out somewhere late morning in her orange Mercury convertible. On the way out of the house, on the second floor staircase landing, she asked me "So Georgie, what are you going to do now that the Dodgers are moving out of Brooklyn?"
I looked at her and said "Nouna, WTF did you just say?"
THAT one is burned in like no other my friend.
President Kennedy we gathered outside the school around the Flag I remember very clearly Mrs. Kinsella crying, never saw my teacher cry before, the tears ran down her face, I remember how her make-up ran, she had a small white tissue balled in her hand.
I have stood on the deck of the Pearl Harbor memorial, it was a very moving thing, the oil still bilges from her tanks, its real, very real, men died, women died, they still do.
God Bless our soldiers.
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Hard to think about.
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Let us never forget.
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I was fortunate to have the chance to spend a good deal of time at Pearl Harbor. Since I had access to the naval base, I got to see things that the general public doesn't get to see. It's not just the Arizona Memorial or the Missouri. The whole place has a vibe that something happened there. The oldest buildings are eerie. Especially the ones that served as morgues and field hospitals. Just creepy stuff.
Most of the remaining battle damage is still on Ford Island. There are some buildings on the main base that have been left like the concrete block warehouses and some of the buildings around the older piers. Get to the ammo dump where all the weapons are stored on the other side of the harbor and you can see rotting hulks of machinery that was destroyed in the attack. The Navy just dumped it on the island until they could figure out what to do with it. Alot of it has been moved off. Much of it was cleaned up and dumped off the coast to make artificial reefs.
If you ever get a chance to go to Hawaii, Pearl Harbor should be on your short list of stuff to see. Worth the time, completely.
You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
+1 to that John... Pearl Harbor is on the short list of places that every American should visit at least once in their lifetime. Once you go there, our freedoms mean just a bit more to you than before. The sacrifice made there by our brave men and women reaches across time and touches your soul.
God bless them and their sacrifice. You are all remembered and shall never be forgotten.
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Thanks George for starting this thread. It's very important that people remember the sacrifices American men and women in uniform made for our freedom. Lest We Forget
This one has even more meaning for me. My father served in that war--he died a two and a half years ago. I'd always remember Pearl Harbor both for its significance and because it was the day before my father's Name Day! This year, of course, he's not here.
I'm also old enough to remember the Kennedy assassination. We were traveling to NYC across N.J. on a bus to meet my Uncle who was a cook on a Greek Merchant Freighter and spend the weekend in a Hotel there. When we got to Somerville (a scheduled) stop, the bus driver got off the bus and returned with the words "The President has been shot!". It was a long weekend! I was just old enough to vaguely grasp what all that meant.
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Just case your teachers in school never bothered to expose you to this...
This is the address given by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt at the United States Capitol, Washington, D.C., on December 8, 1941, in response to the Attack on Pearl Harbor.
Most are only familiar with the ONE line (if at all). It is well worth reading the whole thing.Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Senate and the House of Representatives: Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 a date which will live in infamy the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.
The United States was at peace with that nation, and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its Government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack.
It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.
The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.
Yesterday the Japanese Government also launched an attack against Malaya.
Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.
Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam.
Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.
Last night the Japanese attacked Wake Island.
And this morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.
Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.
As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.
But always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.
I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.
Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.
With confidence in our armed forceswith the unbounding determination of our peoplewe will gain the inevitable triumphso help us God.
I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7th, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire.
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Thanks Shack!
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Thank you shack, people need to remember the importance of this address.
However, in The Reluctant Admiral, Hiroyuki Agawa does give a quotation from a reply by Admiral Yamamoto to Ogata Taketora on January 9, 1942. It's very similar but not quite the same.
A military man can scarcely pride himself on having 'smitten a sleeping enemy'; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack.
The only issue with it is that it's not cited. Probably because the original document was lost or damaged and can't be verified. I dunno, didn't look that far in to it.
The false quote has more dramatic punch and panache but doesn't really make as complete of a thought or statement as the above.
If you can find them, there are a bunch of books on the Japanese perspective of the attack. The flip side of the history is compelling. The propaganda books are just as bad as the pro-American stuff you can find here. But there are several studies that are critical and raw in the depiction of the Japanese position/condition before, during and after the attack and the war. Even Japan's allies were critical of Japan at the time. Seems like they jumped the gun and acted before everyone was ready. The perspective from the opposite side is very compelling stuff. If you can find the stuff that is critical of the U.S. as well, they make for a very complete and not so rosy view of either side but probably the most honest depiction of the war.
Honestly, Wikipedia has good collection of sources, if anything, on the subject. Several books and papers in the citations were listed as required reading in the history classes I took for elective credits in college.
Here's the page on the quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku...ng_giant_quote
Here's the page on the aftermath of the attack:
And here's the page on the attack itself:
The lists of references at the bottom of each one is fairly long but worth a look.
You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
Not only at Pearl, but Hickam Air Force Base has buildings that have been left the way they were 10 minutes after the attack. I think PACAF HQ's was one of them. You can clearly tell the difference between small caliber machine gun bullet holes/gouges and the small cannon that some of the Japanese aircraft carried in the concrete walls (BIG gouges).
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Nat Geo has put up a rather neat interactive map chronicling the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Honor them.
I know a gentleman who joined the Navy at the age of 17 (some shenanigans were involved to get away with doing so)
he arrived at Pearl Harbor the day after the attack.
He had some stories.
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My grandfather joined at 16 b/c my great grandmother signed for him so she'd have 1 less mouth to feed. He turned 18 in the Panama Canal, and was all over the Pacific in the Navy during WW2. Hats off to him and all other old timers that put it on the line for us back then.
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Had many relatives that came here, right off the boat, and had to fight and die for something they never had a chance to experience....freedom. God bless those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Yeah, and those sneaky little bastards were surprised when the Doolittle Raid "returned the favor"18 April 1942
A fried of mine is out in Pearl Harbor today for the ceremony. I asked to give all the vets a salute for me.
My Dad left the farm and joined the Navy in Jan 1942 at the age of 17. He turned 18 at the end of Feb. Still have his Hawaii dollar bill where he wrote all the POC around the border on his carrier the USS Cabot. God Bless America.
I was in second grade when our princpal, Mr. Brookshire, came in right after lunch and told us about Kennedy.
Another permanent memory was the Moon Landing. The world shut down to watch that one.
Thanks for that post Shack.
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Thanks to all service men and women for your service to our Country. We'll never forget Pearl Harbor, it was a moment of change for all the world that still resonates today. The Americans that went through the Great Depression and WWII were part of "the greatest generation". They pulled America from the brink of financial devastation and a massive with their sweat and blood. My mother and father among them RIP. My dad served in Europe and Korea. Purple Heart in Korea.
I was in 4th grade when Kennedy was shot. Our Principal announced the news just as we were about to be dismissed from school. We put in a lot of hours in front of the TV set for the next five days. My brother and I saw Oswald get shot on live TV. Talk about moments that you won"t forget!!!
I was in my father's car listening to the lunar landing in 1969. It was late on a Sunday afternoon.
God Bless America!
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Hello I'm new to the Polk forum. (My 1st post)
I picked these up today from eBay and feeling that I did well, just OK. It's looking like both tweeters are toast and one of the 6.5 drivers is torn and doesn't sound right. Any help on even how to start restoring these would be appreciate.
Thanks in advance.....P-man