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Apple close to deals on Pandora-like streaming service, hoping for summer launch
Apple may soon strike deals with two of the major record labels that would allow them to launch a Pandora-like radio service by this summer. While Apple seems to have made a deal that has them paying the labels less on a per-stream basis than Pandora, Apple's deal also includes new ways of generating revenue, according to Paul Sloan of CNET.
That includes a quick way for consumers to buy a song they hear, potentially boosting download sales from iTunes, as well as a revenue share of new audio ads Apple is planning to add to the free service, according to sources.
Warner Music and Universal Music Group are apparently very close to agreements with Apple, though the music publishers and Sony Music Group still need to sign up. Apple wants to have all deals in place for a launch this summer, which may coincide with an announcement at WWDC in June, or even the supposed August launch of the iPhone 5s.
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I would use the service. I'm sure they are going to offer something compelling that makes them different than Pandora and Spotify.
What makes you think so?
I use spotify. I pay $10 a month
Can be a new revenue stream for apple with the subscription income. However people who use this function will not see anything new since third party app allow iTunes purchase. Apple wants to control the content and maybe an advantage will be integration with music match and access to iTunes exclusive content for listeners.
Am I the only one who sees the now "s" that is to be the iPhone 5"S" ? maybe the "S" means song or Streaming Service...
just a thought...
5s, plural.
wrong topic. someone else had a similar comment about iphone 5s and something impacting them. they thought they were mentioning the iphone 5s as its official name, but it was meant to be plural, in referral to them.
But i still disagree, S has nothing to do with streaming or service or song.
Unlikely the streaming service would be exclusive to the 5S though.
Have tried Rdio and am currently with Spotify. It's worth £10 per month as it is very good. Offline playlists are the best thing - if Apple can bring this feature then it's game over. I have a feeling they won't.
+1. Rdio's offline listening feature is killer. I've been using the service for about a month now, and I feel it's worth the $14.99/mo CAD. Apple's service will have to have a seriously killer feature for me to switch.
I haven't used Spotify but have used Pandora a little recently. I am sure that Apple will do it better than anyone else and with iTunes and iOS it will dominate.
Spotify and Pandora are very different. Again, what makes everyone so sure apple with do a streaming service better than these other companies who have been at it for years? How did that maps thing go for them.
I ditched Pandora for Spotify a few months ago and haven't looked back. Apple will have to provide some kind of big advantage to switching to their service to get me to stop using Spotify.
Same. I ditched Pandora when I hit my first 40 hour month limit and have been using Spotify since then. I was able to get infinite trial periods (resetting every 2 days), but I've lost the ability to do so due to selling one of my devices. Shame. Can't wait for Apple to bring this home for us.
Pandora and free. Incredible in car integration especially with aftermarket Pioneer radios these days. OEM car manufacturers are even adopting Pandora lately on their car headunits. Until integration from other services happen I will wait.
If you jailbreak, you can get paid version of pandora free. Basically, it gives u unlimited skips, no adds on free version. It's nice.
Spotify is a really nice radio, i have to say, but i really want to see radio from apple, i'm pretty sure it will great hopefully, but let see what apple have for us
I wouldn't hold my breath for Apple radio being great, at least initially. Look at the latest offering they have given us. Podcasts app, absolutely terrible, took almost an entire year to make the darn thing usable. Oh maps too... don't forget the maps....
All in all, an Apple radio service could truly be a perfect experience. iTunes alone has the proverbial lock on the music industry. Simply couple Apples vast iTunes library with a radio service and you have gold. Only time will truly tell.
The vast library belongs to the record labels, not apple. And it's basically the same library all the other services have access to. Still not sure what till make this service any different or better. Using the past as a guide, Apple's service will be more expensive and more limited than the competition but will still get millions more subscribers.
podcast app is fine.....
I hope it's got a competitive price point. I know liscensed music is expensive and all. But 10$+ for music, every month? That the price of an ipod mini, per year.
Speaking of which, wouldn't it be BRILLIANT if they sold iphones with subscriptions for 3-6 months. Get people hooked, while giving credit to a service that may really interest some. 16gb iphones already outsell everything else, they may as well make it a larger number. having streamed radio WILL decrease usage space.
I wonder how our data plans will respond..
also, a minimum subscription period will turn most people off. It should be month-to-month. Otherwise, no one will want to commit.
I'm in Canada so can't use Spotify or Pandora, but can you selectively listen to whatever albums and songs you want, or just a genera like other streaming radio apps? Because unless you can choose exactly what you want, personally I wouldn't be interested. If it were like the Xbox music pass though that would be awesome.
That's what is funny about the whole thing, zune/Xbox music pass has been doing what people have been begging apple to do with iTunes to do for years. Subscription service, DL/stream exactly what you want all you want.
I'm on spotify, think its going to be hard to compete
I'm all for more music streaming apps :)
Wonder how they'll one up everybody. Could you actually take your playlists mobile for free? I do Spotify from a PC when I do & occasionally Pandora on my phone. Ooooooh good point about data...late model car with no aux so not much on the go.
Rhapsody gets my $10 per month.
Would this be available globally? US only? Or would music offerings vary by country according to licensing conditions?
I'd much rather see a real radio on the iPhone, to use without my data plan, but I guess Apple cannot monetize on that, so no point giving users that option, eh?
Another streaming service? No thanks, I have Rdio, which I can use on iOS, PC or Android. Any service from Apple will not give me these options so, thank you but no thank you.
Whoa.... déjà vu. Is it iRadio rumor time again? I guess so... it IS springtime. It sounds identical to the one from last year, and the year before that.
I would rather see them utilize these efforts into their already used iTunes Match service. Until they use their efforts to better the services they already have, I see no reason to add something new. I feel this may be another "Ping-like" endeavor and we see how well that went. Expanding into other lanes is vital for business, I understand, however only if the company puts more than half-assed work into it. Apple needs to take this endeavor seriously, and they may be able to compete. Still would like a better iTunes Match...something that is paid for rather than a free streaming-Pandora-like app.
What do you think would make iTunes Match better? I use it but haven't really thought of what's wrong with it.
I would definitely use the service. I think it's a good idea for sure.
but its still not XBox Music, I love my Lumia 920 and I cant ever see me buying another iPhone. Oh and a yrs free subscription to Pandora for all Windows Phone 8 users... Apple really are falling behind here, which is sad because they were a really good company. that is until the untimely demise of the late and great Steve Jobs. He made apple what it was and now he's gone, Apple is falling behind majorly and rather than innovating new ideas, they are taking old ideas and putting an apple label on them :(
I have a feeling you won't be able to delete the app and I hate having multiple apps on my phone that do the same thing so unless they don't offer a free service or Pandora is WAY better I will probably make the switch.
I don't use streaming radio often anyway so it is no big deal for me.
Pandora was great in the beginning, but seems like the playlist of an artist can be way off some days. The forty hour limit a month can add up, and another paid service is not what I need. It is a great price, but I have been using Rhapsody before I even had Apple products. I like the idea of a playlist of the artist instead of a mix that can be way off. Just works better for me. If Apple did something similar with their large library of music at a cheaper price than Rhapsody, I would go for it.
I am not sure how much I would like this. I am not a fan of the others so I have always wondered why people are so hip on these.
I would definitely use. For awhile I used Pandora, then switched to Spotify, and now I don't use either.

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Cecilia is one of my all-time favorites, but I voted for Midori. Such an innovator!
Brandon Mroz - First Quad Lutz
Miki Ando - First and only Quad Jump (4S) by a Lady
Kurt Browning - First Quad Jump (4T)
Donald Jackson - First Triple Lutz
Vern Taylor - First Triple Axel
Grzegorz Filipowski - First Triple-Triple Combination
Dick Button - First Double Axel & First Triple Jump (3R)
Cecilia Colledge - First Double Jump (2S) by a Lady
Petra Burka - First Triple Jump (3S) by a Lady
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Elvis Stojko - First Quad Jump in Combination (4T+2T)
Cecilia is one of my all-time favorites, but I voted for Midori. Such an innovator!
1994-95 was the first year that women were allowed to do two triples in the short program. I think Kwan was the only lady at Worlds who succeeded in doing that and also land seven in the freeskate. At least the lutz in the short program would be negative GOE by today's standards (small deductions by SP rules of the time), but it was landed on one foot and seemed to be fully rotated.
Bonaly also had two triples in the short and seven in the long at Worlds, but she had her hand down on the SP lutz and some of her LP triples were definitely cheated (which was also the case in her 7-triple Euros freeskate; I can't find the Euros SP on youtube).
As for fall internationals, Irina Slutskaya may have been the first to skate a clean short program with two triples. She was certainly the only skater with a clean SP at 1994 Skate America, and she had also won Nebelhorn, the first international where it was legal, although I don't know offhand exactly how she did with the SP jumps or how many she had in the free there. She definitely missed a lot of jumps in the freeskate at Skate America.
Linda Fratianne is credited with being the first woman to do two different triples in a LP. It has been stated that Linda made triple jumps mandatory for any serious female skater in the mid-70s.
Who was the first woman to do a triple in a SP? Linda did an impressive 3s-2L in her 77 SP, but I don't know if she was the first to include a triple as the required combo.
Uncle Dick was such a pioneer. He and his coach, Mr. Lussi, invented so many of the skating moves that we see today. Skaters back then had such height and power on their jumps. Just look at Dick's 2A: He did it with an open legs position and with complete revolutions.
Hmm, I almost want to vote once for significant and go with Dick's envelope-pushing jumps since it really changed the sport going forward. And then another time for impressive because everything about Ito's jumps was jaw-dropping. So much height, ice coverage and flow. Went with Dick in the end.
It's hard for me to pick between first Triple Axel, first Quad jump, and Midori Ito.
For me Cecilia because I have read that women were PENALIZED when they showed too much athleticism back in her day-including those jumps which were discouraged for so long for female skaters.
I vote for the first triple jump by anybody (Dick Button, 1952, 3 Loop). It moved skating into a whole other era. Once someone had done one triple, it was inevitable skaters would start working on the others and that ladies would do one sooner or later. I don't think the 3A for ladies or quads for men have really made much difference in how skating looks on the ice (and even the most recent OGMs did not do them, and that pretty much defines what is important in skating). l also don't think things like 3-3 combinations made much difference. It has been 20 years or more since Ito's first one and many of the top ladies still aren't doing them.
Now that I think of it, perhaps the first single axel or first double really is the one that totally redefined skating.
Last edited by Susan M; 01-16-2013 at 11:37 PM.
Cecelia could have easily resigned herself to 2nd place without having been driven to invent the camel spin, then make it flying and catchfoot . . . as well as invent the layback spin and develop the arabesque spiral position, one footed Axel, and 2S. The quality of some of her elements is just shocking when considering that she moved around the ice in the Art Deco style.
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I think that the quadruple jump of Miki Ando is most significant and impressive, because she was only one woman who not only succeeded it the first in 2002 but also continued to challenge it till 2008 of the most recent year under new judging system which was adopted from 2004.
Her quad in 2008 GP final was recognized regrettably as the downgraded quad jump by the judges, but there is not even the woman who was recognized like this except Miki Ando in the history of Ladies in the ISU official competitions under new judging system which was adopted from 2004. Her quad Salchow landed with good flow, of course she did not fall also and did not step out also.
I think that only one is transcendental to all.
The protocol of the free skating in 2008 Grand Prix Final: Miki Ando is 5th place.
The video of Miki Ando in the free skating in 2008 GP Final: The first jump is the quad Salchow Jump.
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I admire Miki for going for the quad, regardless of whether it was fully rotated or not. This is the kind of attitude - challenging oneself to do more and more difficult jumps- has disappeared with the coming of COP.
Ando did fully rotate that quadruple salchow in the Junior Grand Prix Final. Go back and look at the video in Post #1 and then check the protocols. IIRC, she also landed one at Japanese Nationals. She never did a fully rotated one in senior-level international competition, though.
Bonaly's quadruple toe loop attempts in competition were a bit short on the final rotation, though if they were being judged under CoP, they might be marked as "4T" rather than "4T<."
I have to go with Donald Jackson. It was so clean and so integrated into a clean as a whistle performance. It stole the show and the gold medal from certain defeat. It was widely seen and therefore had great effect.
On this video you're talking about, you can clearly see she ends the rotation at 3.5 turn, then finishes the jumps on the ice.
Surya Bonaly's 4Toe are not any better, though.
I vote for 3 Lutz of Denise Biellmann because I can remember it very well and I loved her skating.
Miki Ando's quad at 2008 GPF was sooo close. Really I wish they gave her the benefit of the doubt one of the best attempts at the quad in ladies skating.
Miki Ando's quad at 2008 GPF was sooo close. Really I wish they gave her the benefit of the doubt one of the best attempts at the quad in ladies skating. Despite the rotation issues in that program it was so technically ambitious.


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We mentioned this back during the betas, but it's worth a mention again as many iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS owners out there finished their iOS 4.2 update yesterday only to discover something missing -- the new text tones! Yes, for some reason Apple has chosen to only make those available on iPhone 4. No iPhone 4, no new text tones.
But why, you ask? We're wondering the same thing. We know this can't be performance-related, that's for sure. This makes us curious about what an email response from Steve Jobs would look like on the matter.
(Not that the new text tones are anything to write home about -- check out the video after the break if you want to hear them in action.)
Any iPhone 3G or iPhones 3GS owners out there feel left out in the cold and care to speculate?
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Another reason to jail break =]
I almost hope that a JB for my iPhone 4 can eliminate these tones haha.
who knows why....its Apple!
Considering you can still buy the 3Gs from apple, the tones should be included.
That video is misleading. If you'd just let the tones play all the way though, people would realize how worthless they are as text tones. Trust me 3G/S owners...you aren't missing out on anything. I'm sticking to Tri-tone :(
My gf feels left out in the cold because my old 3GS I gave her don't have them. I do have them on my iPhone 4 but don't care to much for them. They sound like something from Tom & Jerry cartoons. We are however grateful to apple for findmyiphone on our iPhones. Thank you Apple.
It must slow down the device one nano second longer and for Apple that is a no go,
I have an iPod Touch 3rd generation and I do not see air play is also not in iOS 4.2 for older devices ?
Goodness apple is greedy.
In my opinion this is just Apple's way of increasing the feature-gap between the latest iPhone and older models.
The more the older models retain new features that are released, the less incentive people have to buy the latest version.
Apple tend to justify these decisions with technical or performance-related explanations, but in this case I think they would have a hard time doing so.
It's a shame as this particular feature is so minor that it is hardly going to make someone choose an iPhone 4 over a 3GS (if indeed this is the reason this feature was excluded)
In this case 3GS users should not feel left out in the cold. You are not missing out. The new tones are all CRAP. The same as most of the old ones.
It's pretty sad that Apple only puts one or two (at most) decent ring tones or text tones on their phones.
3G/S owners have nothing to fret about. The new tones are garbage. All of them. I would have preferred Apple leave them off the update...that way I could replace the 3Mbs of space they use with a crappy song or something.
Just jailbreak and install BiteSMS. Full per-contact custom text tones
Sad sad sad...
Now is there any new feature left in iOS 4.2 that can be used on an iPhone 3G (except for the performance improvements)...
I'm only guessing, but I'd imagine that space might be a consideration. A significant number of features have been added to both the 3G & 3Gs since they first came out. At some point, they're bound to run up against a wall or risk pissing customers off by eating up user memory with stuff that can't be deleted if it's not wanted.
As horrible as they are, Jobs believes that if the 3gs doesn't get them, everyone will instantly upgrade to a 4. Bad assumption, Steve.
Seems most do not like them and while I agree they are not great it is something. No where near being able to make them in garage band which is what they should allow us to do.
Mark, do yo actually believe Jobs thinks that?
I have an iPhone 4 and it's a shame for those who desire this new feature not to be able to use it. If Apple is going to update and not allow the updates to be applied to one model older than the curent model then they could at least allow you to perform a full upgrade each year to purchase the iPhone. I love the iPhone and if they allowed it I would purchase one each year. An early upgrade can be done every year and a half, for an iPhone but to get the full discounted price you must wait two years. Give us a break Apple. I think more people would purchase iPhones if they would allow a full upgrade each year.
ugh. that's what I hated about Android. the answer to almost every problem was "just root your phone" (even though that wouldn't actually SOLVE the problem..)
Apple explanation...Because the hardware can't support it :)
These things are garbage.
First off, who wants a text tone over 1-2 seconds? Most of the new ones are 5-7 seconds, that's slightly ridiculous. Reminds me when everyone got their RAZr's and put whole songs as their text tone.
Second, who would want to use these? The only decent one is "shire," but the only acceptable place to use that one would be at comic-con.
Careful what you wish for -- the new text tones are terrible, extremely long. Ideally, you could roll-your-own without jailbreaking your device.
BiteSMS FTW !!!!!
Honestly who cares? If your worried about text tones you need a life.
And da fanboys say dat android is fragmated? Lol
Stupidly, Apple has made those tones non-user-changeable. Ideally we could add or subtract tones ourselves instead of being handed them from on high. Same with the wallpaper settings. Why do I have to import my photos into a separate area instead of moving pics that make good wallpaper to the "wallpaper" area of the Settings app?
I'm a long-time Apple user, back to the late 80's, but sometimes every company makes stupid decisions. This is one of them.
The new tones didn't impress me much. Of all features the great iPhone has, the tones are disappointing.
Why are they so freaking long? Man oh man. Most of these are ring tones if anything. I will be pretty embarrassed having one of these cheesy text tones go off in public
I like the noir textone, I use it to differentiate my boyfriends texts for the 100s of others I get, its nice to have that different sound amist the sound of the bell textone I use as the default.
I cannot imagine a good reason, at all. I mean, Apple/ATT are still selling the 3GS. Selling a feature-less device. Why? I think only to get people buying the iPhone 4. But, this has left a very bitter taste in my mouth and I am now, more than ever, really, really thinking about making the jump to VRZN and a Droid. I don't care that the tones are stupid/annoying/too long. The fact of the matter is, I feel slighted.
Having recently acquired a blackberry, it makes me realize how truly neglectful Apple is when it comes to device customization. Imagine my joy when I discovered how stupidly simple it was to add a home made ring tone on my Bold. It didn't make me like RIM more - instead, it just made me like Apple a little less. Such a basic basic feature should not be ignored through 4 generations of devices.
3G / 3GS owners, consider yourselves lucky that you don't have to be exposed to those CR8P-TASTIC tones. Apple has really lost it. This is the best APPLE can come up with?? APPLE?? These guys INVENTED the home computer, and after years in the business, these "tones" are the best they can manage??
Can we say iOS FRAGMENTATION!. Two currently sold devices having different features that are not based on hardware differences ie facetime.
God those new text tones are horrible!!!!! 3GS owners are not missing a thing, believe me.
I want a text TONE that's professional and short. Not a movie sound effect which is clearly what they gave us in 4.2.
The answer is as simple as this:
When a new model comes out, Apple has to decrease the value of the previous model and the only way they can do that is buy reducing the amount of features that the previous model gets in comparison to the newer model. Think of it as a class system.
iPhone 4 is First Class
iPhone 3GS is Business Class
iPhone 3G is Economy Class
Apple must do this to ensure that current model owenrs get the most value of of their product since they upgraded. So while the 3GS can obviously support new ringtones, Apple purposely removed that feature to slightly decrease its market value. Otherwise, it would be too comparable to its current model. Hence the need to upgrade to latest hardware wouldn't be as compelling. Also, Apple removed a fairly useless feature that wouldn't really anger current 3GS owners - potentially turning away future upgrades. You gotta givie it to Apple - they struck a delicate balance perfectly.
I'm using an iPhone 3GS and the new text tones were the only thing that I was looking forward to. I mean other than that, what "major" add-ons were there in iOS 4.2 for 3Gs? Would love to know the reason why. :/
I have a 3GS and was looking forward to the new text tones. Several people in my office now have iPhones and we all have the same text alert tone and it's getting to be like it was back in the early days of cell phones where they all sounded the same and everyone was checking their phone at the same time when a call came in.
Reading the bad reviews here, though, I guess I'm fine without the new tones. Plus, the other iPhone users here have the 4G, so they'll maybe change their tones.
It is curious to me why Apple would leave something minimal like that out of the upgrade, though. I understand big things like FaceTime. But not this. Weird.
First the 'Free "Find My Phone", but not for 3GS BS', now this?
Why are they deliberately diss-ing us 3Gx'rs?
Can this be engineered to be some form of (misplaced) "incentive" to throw out our perfectly good, "death-grip"-challenged phones for new, design-flawed phones?
Forget about it. Bite me.
Why isn't it available for the 3GS? Because they need to upgrade and stop being so cheap! Give me your money, LEMMINGS!
Sent from my iPhone 4
I have no problem upgrading my iPhone if I could do it each year. Unfortunately you have to wait 2 years. It's not right to treat loyal customers like this, there's no reason 3GS couldn't get the tones, whether they're good or not is irrelevant. We should all be treated equal, not based on generation of phone.
Greed is the only reason the text tones were left out of the 3gs
Steve Jobs have you no shame at all.
This latest decision by Apple not to include 3G/3GS community only strengthens the reason to jailbreak the phone. They (Apple) obviously don't seem to be that concerned about the jailbreakers or people who bought their phones. Apple continues to show how good it is in releasing just enough crumbs to keep everyone interested in their products.
Yet another reason to jailbreak
For me it's not the exclusion of the tones themselves that irritates the 'ell outta me, but rather the fact that something so minor was excluded in an effort to no longer support a product that Apple's still selling to the public and actively. This is the straw that's led me to no longer support the company in terms of purchasing any future products from them.
My girlfriend got the tones on her iPhone 4. They are pretty sucky... I think the biggest reason for this update was for the iPad and to give you a reason to buy an apple tv with AirPrint
I admit it, I'm a cell phone junkie! Switching phones every few weeks until I got the iPhone 4. I fell in love with the retina screen, I was sold. Learning the iPhone IOS was a breeze, learning to live with a handicapped phone was something I just wasn't going to do, so hence the jailbreak.
I wonder what features the iPhone 5 will have that they won't officially offer the 4? It doesn't really matter because the following to Apple
products is unreal and the consumers keep
Apple is going to ride this wave for a while, just keep your eye over your shoulder Jobs, the competition isn't sleeping at the wheel any more.
Monique-- I agree it would be nice to get a yearly upgrade for the iPhone. However, I'm wondering if this AT&T is more to blame for that than Apple. AT&T has to subsidize every iPhone they sell so they are going to ensure they recoup their losses by getting 1 1/2 to 2 years of payments from you/us. I wish they would at least offer full upgrades yearly for the main line, like vzw does. I would definately upgrade every year.
I'm so confused why people are saying they don't have text tones. I literally bought an 8gb 3GS three days ago and updated yesterday and I have text tones. all I do is go into my contacts, edit a person and it gives me a text tone option :(
wow steve is cvnt
People are referring to the new text tones that came out in yesterday's update. They are only on the iPhone 4 and they aren't any good.
Make your own tones which is what I did.Get a media converter,find a cool tone,convert it to correct format and then ssh and replace those awful stock tones.
The new text tones in 4.2.1 are sweet. IF YOUR 80 YEARS OLD.
LMAO..People action need text tones in a major update??? This is ludacris..SMDH
Who cares, I jettisoned the icrap months ago for Android. Haven't looked back.
I have both a 3G and 3GS and the blatant disregard that Apple has been showing this last year for anyone for 2010 product owners has me more than halfway convinced that it may be time to drop Apple and their products altogether.
Seriously!!! I am really starting to hate Apple and regret buying an iPhone. I'm over it. Jobs can suck my balls!!!
Appalled 3GS user myself.
Can't understand how this is supposed to motivate us to buy iPhone 4s. It's just aggrevated me more than anything else.
To me this seems like an invitation to jailbreak. But maybe that's just me.
Jailbreak, get ToneFXs, create tone using toneFX creator, it will then import it into your iPhone, voila custom SMS tones
I'm pissed!! And I'm a huge Apple Fanboy, very disappointed. It now pushes everyone with a 3GS to Jailbreak, well done Apple!!!
Geeze, that's a little immature, isn't it? Here's a tip: Don't by the damn phone until it has a feature set you can live with.
Consider any free upgrades you may or not be getting down the road as a bonus. Because you didn't pay for them; and you were never promised them.
I think your response is Immature AND it would be counterproductive if it was the way u ran your business. I am the customer, the one whos money you want. If you don't please me, I spend my money elsewhere where it is appreciated. Elitists who believe you will eat what they feed you, eventually find themselves with nothing. If you told me this about your product, I'd tell you to kiss my a** which is what i'm going to tell Apple for their neglect of my needs.
@gquaglia that's funny since you're on The iPhone Blog right now, indicating that yes, you are looking back.
But it's ok bro. We can still drink High Life and high five right? chest bumps gquaglia but you are weaker than me and failed to absorb said chest bump Oh dear!
First off apple would like to boost their iphone4 sales by forcing people to upgrade if they care for this feature in the real world that is called apple being one shady motherfu**er. I concur with others that this is going to dramatically increase the jailbreaking game or even better switching to other phones such as the android. I am disappointed in apple. I told myself I wouldn't switch or jailbreak but this slap in the face by such a money hungry company surely changes ones mind.
When I got the email about the update I thought: "MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED." This is one think I hated about my iPhone. This device is supposed to be one step removed from curing cancer but I can't set custom text tones for different people. This was a simple thing on the Motorola Razr, Slvr etc. But now I cant do this on the BEST phone in the world. What a crock.
So when I read this and installed the update I thought my life was gonna change. It didn't.
Now I think I'm even madder!!!! arghhhhhh
How to jailbreak this thing again ....
I'm a 3G owner n I like the increase in performance compared to say iOs 4.0 but that's still like comparing a turtle and a turtle with a broken leg....
n steve jobs is on a salary that most of us could only dream of, if u wer on that kind of money would you have any shame about not puttin sh**ty ringtones in for SMS tones?
I have the 3GS and seriously it just makes me feel that it's more and more left out compared to the iPhone 4 and even the new iPod touch...I mean, asking for more text tones is just a simple request, right? I like variety and most phones (even those cheapie ones) can be customized to have hundreds of sms alerts without having to be jailbroken or something... and honestly I'm tired of using the tri-tone as my sms alert!
Im just feel like iphone 4 owners are apple'customers and 3g, 3gs are not anymore, im not jailbreak my iphone because i wanna use it as official, like if u jailbreak your ip you can get 1000 text tone if u want, im just so sad now, just wanna go to apple store and swear to them :/
I cant believe these things aren't for the 3GS. I understand they want you to buy the 4 and I'm sorta into that but ATT won't let me. So I guess I am just OUT OF LUCK!
They have already left out enough features on the new update and the iPhone 4 does have its advantages over the 3GS but of all things to short us on, its the text tones? I see absolutely no reason why they would do that. You think I want to buy an iPhone 4 for the text tones now? Total nonsense. Apple is creating unhappy phone users, not influencing us to upgrade. How about you fix that call drop problem now?
THE reason I updated was for the new text tones... I hate the old ones. If it's not performance (and it most certainly is not), why? It really makes me angry. They still sell 3Gs iPhones, they should support them where possible.
Just down download the new 4.2... I can't believe that there still no custom SMS tones.
I have iPhone 3G & updated to 4.2...the Phone still lags in some areas. Like going to Setting and photos: they still need to fix the performance issues with iPhone 3G
According to the Apple website, the new text tones were supposed to be for the iPhone. At the bottom of the page, it says the update is compatible with iPhone 3G, 3GS and 4. No where on the website does it say that the new tones are only for iPhone 4.
When will they stop with this crap they call "break-through" when will the add the voice navigation to the Maps application?
I'm the head of the technology dept. For a large tele-communications company in Utah. For the last 14 months I have been lobbying to switch or sales dept. From p.c. Based laptops to macs and IPhones. I was able to get three board members to buy the 3Gs and see how much better things would go. I updated my personal iPhone yesterday and seen that not all updated items are for my phone or our 3 test phones, that are still under contract. So this Wednesday at our weekly board meeting I'm going to start pushing for the androids and HP laptops. Apple I have lost faith in you and you have lost 60+ laptop sales and at least 200 iPhone sales. You will still sell the 3Gs but once that money is in your hand it's "sorry you are stuck with the product we are rapidly terminating" those at the top of apple making poor decisions like this must not be getting any news from the real world. Things are tight for the rest of us. I know I can't just pay me att contract off and upgrade or just go by the new iPhone 4 and if I had that kind of money to waste I would be using an android right now.
The thing that really pisses me off is that the iPhone could have the best features ever if apple wasn't holding it back. Go on and keep pushing people to buy the iPhone 4, and eventually we'll all get androids. Happy, Jobs?
I think everything should be customizable in the iPhone & that's when it will be the best cell phone on the market, but untill then it isn't.
It was one that Jobs seemed to be the antithesis of the power and money hungry side of the technological explosion in the eighties and nineties. The way that apple is now run would be unethical to say the least. Manipulating customers or using the stick and carrot in front of the "donkey" ie us, will only take you so far and will then leave you with far fewer customers... Pull your finger out Jobs and start looking after the customers you have.
I'm gonna sell my 3gs and go with the droid. Apple is pushing customers away by aggravating them. If they still sell the damn 3gs why can't they have the same "upgrades"? eff them!
sign the petition to get our ring tones!
This is very disappointing . =| I was really looking forward 2 some new text tones 2 set 4 my contacts with this new upgraded version but unfortunetly not...that sucks @$$ !
This is absolutely ridiculous. What kind of business ethic is this? I was only marginally angry when I realized that they were making some Mobile Me features free for the iPhone 4, but... sound files? What's next, -disabling- features on the iPhone 4 to make you buy an iPhone 5 this time next year? Absolutely ridiculous.
Would really making the new SMS tones exclusive to iphone 4 increase its sales? Just make the current 3G and 3GS customers happy so they will continue with iphone in the future...
Jobs, what are you doing...? This is ridiculous.
Yes I think jobs wants to keep the profit margins high by making older iPhone models useless, I hope he gets sued by a lot of unhappy & betrayed customers so he learns his lesson the hard way
Thats it!!! Android here i come!!These over selective bias updates are BS,The Apple has gone Sour!
Steve Jobs can take his Apple and stuff it right up his @ss,insecure control freak geek!
Thank GOD for Verizon.
Leaving Apple in 2 weeks and never looking back.
Since when have we become so "entitled" that we have to nit pick over picking text tones? i still love my iphone, it does so much. So what if i cant have more text tones, yes i looked for them and was disapointed, but i am still able to choose text tones for important people. I still have a phone that does so much more than the average phone. It still has apps that cover my needs as a wife, mother, and person. I am still connected in every way. When I think back to my nokia from 10 years ago, this phone is just absoultly amazing!!!
I love my iPhone 3GS too but I understand where evetone is coming from. It's not about more text tones, it's about not being ignored after we have invested in this product. We would like updates as well as iPhone 4 users
It's a phone. How is it an investment unless you are expecting it to somehow appreciate in value? And no, new text tones won't do that. Of you want to be treated like you have an iPhone4, get am iPhone4.
Like what they say "customer is always right", even these little things will make faithful customers very upset & let's not compare 10 yrs ago's technology with today's...it wouldn't make any sense.
that's NOT fair.
i'm so sick of the same dang text tones ALL THE TIME.
i've heard them for two years.
and then my friend (who has an iphone 4) said that there were new text tones.
so i plugged in my phone to itunes & it didn't work... because i have an iphone 3gs.
Apple and ATT just plain Suck, I cant wait for my contract to end with these money hungry bastards.
Apple products are known for their superiority in performance, quality, reliability, aesthetics and for never cutting corners. That is why I was surprised to learn that my iPhone 3GS, despite having updated software, does not have the new text tones. I hope that this was an oversight on Apple's part, and not an intentional and misguided attempt to incent the purchase of a new iphone 4, as the iphone 4 is already superior to the 3GS in other capacities. This feels like a cheap ploy that one of Apple's competitors would engage in. Apple is better than this.
My iPhone 3G is still slow & sluggish eventhough I have the iOS 4.2....so Apple is really responsible for this
Just want to shove it up Job's as s
As an iOS app developer of course I own an iPhone, 3GS specifically. Others on my team have 4's. I love the functionality it provides; that being the main reason I was drawn to this platform. Yes, I was a little disappointed when I discovered that the new (still unchangeable) text tones were only available for iPhone 4, and yes it somewhat irks me that text tones aren't customizable like ringtones but wow, I've heard few people whine this much about such frivolous things. I mean really?
Any company can make a bad decision, including Apple, but they've consistently made great decisions on key points. Is it really prudent to dismiss the major benefits iPhone offers because of something small it falls short on?
@OldManHoover While I'm in a small company rather than a large corporation, I completely understand the business aspect and the fact that money doesn't grow on trees. Did you try contacting Apple about their Corporate EPP discounts? That would help offset the cost somewhat and apply at least an additional year of future-proofing to your hardware. What other updates did the iPhone 4 receive that the 3GS didn't other than text tones and Find My iPhone? Find My iPhone has always been a premium service of mobileme and the fact they now offer it free of charge to customers who pay more for the latest phone makes perfect sense. Several companies give freebies for higher-end purchases, Apple shouldn't be knocked for that. Did you seriously change platforms just because of some missing text tones?
I still think apple is a big piece of crap...mother f*ers
Of all the things to complain about, you decided this because of text tones..? I have a 3G, but I understood what I was buying beforehand. I am really confused about how people are so angry about this.
I looked forward to having extra ringtones for the simple reason that I work in an open plan office and we ALL have iphones and exactly the same text tones. I was just hoping that we could customise our text tones and then I would know when its a text on my phone! Im still waiting, wishing, hoping, waiting ...
You bought the same phone as everyone else, and yet you want to be different. Think about that.
Hey, FYI if you want I've uploaded some of my custom Iphone text tones to my site for fun. It's a bitch jailbreaking the phone, but I figured I'd share the files I have with yal'.
Just started the site so it's pretty barren.
Well, who cares! With any luck at all, Jobs will be dead and in Hölle soon. Perhaps Apple will get a new über thinker to replace his worthless, mangy hide.
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I have no idea why they cannot let you customize your SMS ringtones. First of all, the ringtones provided are the worst ones I ever heard. My grandmother has better ringtones on her Jitterbug phone. Secondly, the SMS text notification also needs to be improved. If you toggle between texts you hardly notice someone replying back to your text messages,
what a complete disgrace that you cannot assign your own sms Tone in the iphone. yes the 3GS iphone did not get their extra few lousy sms tones that Apple so generously dished out but seriously, we did not miss out on much they are still sounds that are only good for you if you wear a clown suit in the circus.
what we all need is complete SMS custom tones, just like the phone call sounds are customisable with our own. Come on we can send a man to the moon but its apparently "too hard" to do this?
I can't wait for my current contract to run out, I have a 3GS, first Apple product I have bought. I find their attitude has made me wish I had never gone with it. Apple want to much control, well I won't be going down the Apple path from now on.
Same here wish my 3GS had more text message tones hurry up apple as otherwise not be upgrading to ur phones no more
ugh! my contract isn't up for quite a while, and i have the iphone 3gs. i'm SICK of the old text tones for the iphone.. they're so annoying! my friend has an iphone 4 and she got the new tones. i want them soo badly. but i heard the iphone 4 isn't all that great... hard decision..!
Oh boo hoo, I'm sure the starving people of the world, not to mention the rebels fighting for their lives in Libya could sympathize with your agony of having so few text alerts to choose from.
Hey Jason, do you know how much that hurts us that you commented in an Apple blog that anyone who cares about their text ring tones must be shallow and uneducated? It's ok. We know you're just as frustrated as we are about this blatant slap in the face from Apple. And that you get more pleasure from a Steve Jobs podcast then from videos of rebels fighting in Libya. We're all addicted to the sweet nectar of Apple but at the same time we hate ourselves for it since we feel like those dumb abused girlfriends "sticking it out" when things like this text tones situation happen. But we musn't attack each other Jason. Dumb abused girlfriends stick together Jason. Together.
I just got the new iphone 4 and am still working out how to use everything. Came across the fact that you can't get different message tones and think that is rather LAME. You can get your own personal ring tones but not message tones :S makes no sense to me. Although I do like everything else about the phone so far. People get text messages more often then they get phone calls so I would think it only wise to give texting tones the same options as calling tones. Apple should let their consumers have more freedom, the iphone seems like a phone that can set out peoples different personalities with the many case options, backgrounds and what not...why not do the same with the sounds?? Bit silly if you ask me. But as I said other than that I am fairly happy with the iphone ^_^
this is ridiculous. the update should allow the new text tones. the same noises get annoying after a while. i like to change up what im hearing. other phones not created by apple you can make your own text tones without jailbreaking your phone. i don't want to jailbreak my iphone. i just wont be upgrading to more apple products if they don't treat all of their customers equally and failrly. they shouldn't deny 3gs users the ability to have more text tones.
I am well gutted! My Boyfriend has got an Iphone 4 and he keeps flaunting his new tones and its not fair!
It's quite sad. I just noticed that iPhone 4 has the new tones today. Funny because everyone else I know with an iPhone 4 still uses tri-tone anyway.
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Slider cases for iPhone 4 pulled from Apple Stores due to "Glassgate"?
According to Cult of Mac, Apple's retail stores are no longer selling slider cases for the iPhone 4 because of what's been referred to as "Glassgate" - the scratching and cracking of the iPhone 4's glass due to trapped dirt. Even cases that are part of Apple's "made for iPhone" program are reportedly being pulled.
Glassgate may or not be real, but it looks like Apple is trying to find out. A source in the case industry has confirmed that Apple is suspending the sale of all slider cases and testing them one by one in a secret facility.
Apple is investigating whether the constant action of sliding cases on and off the glass-backed iPhone can cause scratches and eventually cracks, said the source. The iPhone 4′s back is not made from the same toughened Corning Gorilla Glass used on the front. The Glassgate issue is not affected by snap-on cases, our source said.
This is huge for slider case makers - a huge hit to their bottom line, that is. Even though making the cases is cheap, makers must invest $250,000 for the molds. Many companies have ordered big production runs in anticipation of selling them at Apple Stores, but now they're left with a bunch of cases and nowhere to sell them. For example, Mophie is rumored to have ordered over 100,000 Juice Pack Airs for iPhone 4.
Not all case makers are buying into the hype. CEO of Hard Candy Cases, Tim Hickman, is not convinced that Glassgate is a real problem, but a perception problem. (Hard Candy Cases are not sold in Apple stores, so this ban does not affect his sales).
I've shipped 22,000 units and not heard a single complaint. If there was a problem, we would have heard about it by now. I'm very suspect that there's a real issue there.
It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds. Will Apple determine that Glassgate is real and permanently ban the sale of slider cases from their stores?
Have you experienced Glassgate to be a real problem? Or do you have a slider case that is working perfectly with your iPhone 4? If you're a slider-case user, are you discontinuing the use of that case until Apple reaches a verdict?
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I have an Incase slider and it is just fine. Now I will tell you that the iPhone 4 bumper I bought basically destroyed my stainless steel antennas.
Is there a real story here or just someone hyping the month-old 'Glassgate' story that lacked credibility and had no traction in the industry. Before all the blogs start hyping this tale yet again, doesn't it seem just the slightest bit odd that not one manufacturer in the world has confirmed that their cases were actually pulled from the Apple retail stores? Did anyone ever see this type of cases in the Apple retail stores?
Consider this: the stores never stocked the cases. 'Glassgate' is nothing more than a baseless story for certain parties to grow/reestablish their online presences.
I use an Apple bumper. How did yours mess up your antenna? Anything I should watch out for?
yes, i have scratched my phone with a case. no this is not a real problem. my 3gs got tons of scratches from cases, but it didn't matter as much because of the plastic. the only scratches come from putting on the case with dirt in it. if you look before you do it, it won't be a problem. if a case fits well, then it wont get dirt hard or large enough to scratch in it while on. if the case does not fit well, you shouldn't have it on your phone to begin with.
I had a piece of sand scratch my original iPhone from 2007 launch. I could see this could cause an issue. my 3G and 3GS got scratches from the slider case but it didn't matter too much the back was white
I'm using a wrapsol ultra and i won't buy a case if it won't fit my iP4 with the wrapsol. The mophie jPa because I was afraid of scratches. The last jPa scratched up the bevel on my 3G and 3Gs.
Do we know for certain that its this mythical glassgate thats causing the cases to go away, or is it Apple wanting to sell their own products rather than someone elses? Seriously, these blogs go a long way to create a story but I know this much to be true:
Apple made a product with glass on it. Glass can scratch. Its not apples fault if you scratch it or break it. If you drop a glass beer mug on a cement floor do you have the moronic attitude that they owe you a better glass? Treat glass like glass, or buy a POS plastic phone if you can't handle nice things. I personally would prefer Apple sell less devices of higher quality than become the every day Ford of cell phones.
Here is more news for you... if you take a knife and stab yourself with it, you may bleed! Oh, and its not the fault of the knife manufacturer either.
P.S. if you build a product and a 3rd party product can break it... why on earth would you sell that 3rd party product. Don't change yours just so some company can sell an add-on.. make them step up their game.
You don't really need a case on these phones anyway... and while I do have the Apple bumper and like it I'd never cover up the iPhone 4 with most the crap cases that are out there.
I use a mophie juice pack on my iphone 4 and so far so good. It doesn't take much to make sure both the back of the phone and mophie are clean before putting the pack on.
What the heck is a slider case?
I tried the agent 18 clear slider and the first day I got a hairline scratch and promptly put a back film protector and swore off the slider for the ip4. just wasn't worth it. switched to one piece cases like speck's see-thru and candyshell. slider's won't play nice with screenshields AND back films anyway.
these slider case manufacturers should have given more thought on their cases to work with screenshields and back protectors knowing that the iPhone 4's made of glass so of course they'll want to protect their investment.
@mikeed8986 You are absolutely correct! I was wondering why they didn't make space for a shield. They knew the thing was made of glass. But that is what rushing to market gets ya.
I will never go without a skin on my device. I buy them frequently and replace them I always have one on reserve as well just in case something happens and Apple needs to replace my device so I have one to put on right away. If you have an 1P4 you must have a skin of some sort.
Its too bad Apple didn't put the same glass on the back as they did on the front. That sucks.
@LisaLisa: Why MUST we have a skin of some sort? A phone can't take bumps or bruises to show what it's made of? Yes it's somewhat fragile, but it can still take a punch or two.
@Borntovape: Yes, my antenna has suffered physically more than expected with a bumper on it too. It does NOT
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Testing in a secret facility? Jeez, this could be tested in an office anywhere! No need for a secret bunker.
Not just sliders, all tight fitting hard cases that are direct plastic on glass. My iPhone 4 now has a small chip on the back glass from a piece of dirt or something getting stuck in my otterbox defender. It had been under the felt part.
I recommend getting a candy shell or somthing similar that has a soft material in contact with your phone.
my best suggestion is to only use cases that will fit with a screen shield AND back film protector on it. there are many cases out there that fit in this category of which i have personally tests including but not limited to speck candyshells and see-thru's, griffin flex grips, and apple bumpers (or most bumper styles in that case).
one piece designs have worked best in my experience.
if you decide not to use a screenshield or back protector, please don't use any tight fitting cases and complain about it later when a piece of particulate has sneaked in and cause a scratch or a chip. loose fitting pouches would work best for those situations.
i'm not an expert nor am i implying i am. just running off of experience from experimenting with many different case combinations over the years from the very first iphone 2g all the way up to the ip4.
i personally use a front and back film protector, a speck candyshell or see-thru (depending on my mood of the day), and to top it off i use a bodyglove universal pouch to minimize any dust or particulate's that should try to sneak in while in my pocket. hope this helps anyone trying to find the perfect protection.
before using the body glove universal pouch for extra protection, i found myself having to remove my case every day or every other day to wipe off any particulate and dust that had gotten between the cracks.
after i started using the pouch, i found myself only having to do clean-up once a month. it definitely helps and it's not limited to body glove pouches. any loose fitting pouch will do that will fit the iphone 4 with a case on it. i swear by them and will never put my iphone 4 in my pocket without a pouch. even if it has a case on it.
I use a morphie juice pack and invisible shield screen protector on the phone and the both work great for me
I don't use a case because I like the way the phone looks and feels without it. I don't really care about scratches or anything as long as it works great. I'm pretty careful anyways. And if it did break, I would just buy another. I've been lucky enough for my iPhones not to break and I've been selling generation after generation to cover the cost of the new one an am able to keep up with technology at no cost to me other than my time. :) and leave Leanna alone. This is absolutely big news.
Yeah my apple bumper is scratching my metal band on the phone too.
From the comments, looks like most slider type cases can cause problems with the glass backs. It seems it is hard to get all dirt, and sand from getting between the case, and phone. Time to get the dyson out.
Yup this is true. I was at my local apple store just last week and noticed that slider cases can't be found. I have an incase slider case and haven't had any problems with my iPhone 4.
No pity for case users. All four of my iPhones remained mint without cases. Don't be a such careless slobs. :roll:
Ive had a slider since on my iphone4 since August. I've had 0 problems. The glass back is still pristine.
I've got a slider as well, but it is a soft case. Nary a scratch and I don't use a screen protector. Front and glass still look mint.
No problems with my Sena UltraSlim leather slider case. It's just a leather sleeve, so there won't be any problems.
So I got 2 slider cases as gifts, they were purchased back when apple had the cases, but were just given to me, can i return them now without a receipt? I feel bad telling my mom I don't want them she was so proud of herself picking them out.
Thanks for all the slider case information. What is a bumper? I don't like the cases that fit tighter as I can't dock it for music or recharge. Anyone else?
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The plan changes with each new proposer...and won't be finalised till we have to muster forces to march on it. I await with trepidation someone proposing that Bill mounts a Bad Ass and drops bodies on the elves from beyond their range, animating them on the way down. The ones that survive the fall can deal with the archers. Actually the Balrug would be better for that wouldn't it since it can carry more bod....blast, got caught up in my own ridiculousness.
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