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Neutral point of view
Simply, think of yourself as a historian. Strive for facts, but reporting opinions of others can sometimes provide additional insight to an article. Attempt to credit others' opinions and avoid including your own.
More complicatedly:
Cacheopedia policy is that all articles should be written from a neutral point of view.
For guidance on making an article conform to the neutral point of view (NPOV), please see the NPOV tutorial.
The neutral point of view policy states that articles should be written without Wikipedia:bias, representing all views fairly.
The policy is easily misunderstood. It doesn't assume that it's possible to write an article from a single, unbiased, objective point of view. The policy says that we should fairly represent all sides of a Wikipedia:dispute, and not make an article state, imply, or insinuate that any one side is correct. It is crucial that Cacheopedians work together to make articles unbiased. This comprises one of the great merits of Cacheopedia, and separates it from the Geocaching.com forums.
Writing unbiased text is an art that requires practice.
The basic concept of neutrality
At Cacheopedia, we use the terms "unbiased" and "neutral point of view" in a precise way that is different from the common understanding:
- Articles without bias describe debates fairly rather than advocating any side of the debate. Since all articles are edited by people, this is difficult, as people are inherently biased.
The original formulation of NPOV
A general purpose encyclopedia is a collection of synthesized knowledge presented from a neutral point of view. To whatever extent possible, encyclopedic writing should steer clear of taking any particular stance other than the stance of the neutral point of view.
The neutral point of view attempts to present ideas and facts in such a fashion that both supporters and opponents can agree. Of course, 100% agreement is not possible; there are ideologues in the world who will not concede to any presentation other than a forceful statement of their own point of view. We can only seek a type of writing that is agreeable to essentially rational people who may differ on particular points.
Some examples may help to drive home the point I am trying to make.
1. An encyclopedic article should not argue that corporations are criminals, even if the author believes it to be so. It should instead present the fact that some people believe it, and what their reasons are, and then as well it should present what the other side says.
2. An encyclopedia article should not argue that laissez-faire capitalism is the best social system. [...] It should instead present the arguments of the advocates of that point of view, and the arguments of the people who disagree with that point of view.
Perhaps the easiest way to make your writing more encyclopedic is to write about what people believe, rather than what is so. If this strikes you as somehow subjectivist or collectivist or imperialist, then ask me about it, because I think that you are just mistaken. What people believe is a matter of objective fact, and we can present that quite easily from the neutral point of view.
--Wikipedia:Jimbo Wales, Wikipedia founder
Why should Wikipedia be unbiased?
Cacheopedia is an encyclopedia. While it covers a niche topic, Geocaching, it still means this is a representation of human Wikipedia:knowledge at some level of generality. But human beings disagree about specific cases; for any topic on which there are competing views, each view represents a different idea of what the truth is, and insofar as that view contradicts other views, its adherents believe that the other views are false and therefore not knowledge. Where there is disagreement about what is true, there's disagreement about what constitutes knowledge. Wikipedia works because it's a collaborative effort; but, while collaborating, how can we solve the problem of endless "Wikipedia:edit wars" in which one person asserts that p, whereupon the next person changes the text so that it asserts not-p?
A solution is that we accept, for the purposes of working on Cacheopedia, that "human knowledge" includes all different significant theories on all different topics. So we're committed to the goal of representing human knowledge in that sense. Something like this is surely a well-established sense of the word "knowledge"; in this sense, what is "known" changes constantly with the passage of time, and when we use the word "know", we often use so-called scare quotes. In the Middle Ages, we "knew" that demons caused diseases. We now "know" otherwise.
We could sum up human knowledge (in this sense) in a biased way: we'd state a series of theories about topic T, and then claim that the truth about T is such-and-such. But again, consider that Cacheopedia is an international, collaborative project. Nearly every view on every subject will be found among our authors and readers. To avoid endless edit wars, we can agree to present each of the significant views fairly, and not assert any one of them as correct. That is what makes an article "unbiased" or "neutral" in the sense we are presenting here. To write from a neutral point of view, one presents controversial views without asserting them; to do that, it generally suffices to present competing views in a way that is more or less acceptable to their adherents, and also to attribute the views to their adherents. Disputes are characterized in Cacheopedia. They are not re-enacted.
To sum up the primary reason for this policy: Cacheopedia is an encyclopedia, a compilation of human Wikipedia:knowledge. But because Cacheopedia is a community-built, international resource, we cannot expect collaborators to agree in all cases, or even in many cases, on what constitutes knowledge in a strict sense. We can, therefore, adopt the looser sense of "human knowledge" according to which a wide variety of conflicting theories constitute what we call "knowledge." We should, both individually and collectively, make an effort to present these conflicting views fairly, without advocating any one of them, with the qualification that views held only by a tiny minority of people should not be represented as though they are significant minority views, and perhaps should not be represented at all.
There is another reason to commit ourselves to this policy. Namely, when it is clear to readers that we do not expect them to adopt any particular opinion, this leaves them free to make up their minds for themselves, thus encouraging intellectual independence.
What is the neutral point of view?
What we mean isn't obvious, and is easily misunderstood. There are many other valid interpretations of "unbiased," and "neutral". The notion of "unbiased writing" that informs Cacheopedia's policy is "presenting conflicting views without asserting them." This needs further clarification, as follows.
First, and most importantly, consider what it means to say that unbiased writing presents conflicting views without asserting them. Unbiased writing does not present only the most popular view; it does not assert the most popular view is correct after presenting all views; it does not assert that some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Presenting all points of view says, more or less, that p-ists believe that p, and q-ists believe that q, and that's where the debate stands at present. Ideally, presenting all points of view also gives a great deal of background on who believes that p and q and why, and which view is more popular (being careful not to associate popularity with correctness). Detailed articles might also contain the mutual evaluations of the p-ists and the q-ists, allowing each side to give its "best shot" at the other, but studiously refraining from saying who won the exchange.
A point here bears elaboration. We said that the neutral point of view is not, contrary to the seeming implication of the phrase, some actual point of view that is "neutral," or "intermediate," among the different positions. That represents a particular understanding of what "neutral point of view" means. The prevailing Cacheopedia understanding is that the neutral point of view is not a point of view at all; according to our understanding, when one writes neutrally, one is very careful not to state (or imply or insinuate or subtly massage the reader into believing) that any particular view at all is correct.
Now an important qualification: Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views. We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held by only a small minority of people deserved as much attention as a majority view. That may be misleading as to the shape of the dispute. If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we should present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties. None of this, however, is to say that minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views. There is no size limit to Cacheopedia. But even on such pages, though a view is spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is not represented as the truth.
Bias need not be conscious. For example, beginners in a field often fail to realize that what sounds like common sense is actually biased in favor of one particular view. (So we not infrequently need an expert in order to render the article entirely unbiased.) To take another example, writers can, without intent, propagate "geographical" bias, by for example describing a dispute as it is conducted in one country without knowing that the dispute is framed differently elsewhere.
The policy of having a neutral point of view is not to hide different points of view, but to show the diversity of viewpoints. In case of controversy, the strong points and weak points will be shown according to each point of view, without taking a side. The neutral point of view is not a "Wikipedia:separate but equal" policy. The facts, in themselves, are neutral, but the simple accumulation of them cannot be the neutral point of view. If only the favorable facts of a point of view are shown in an article, the article will still be non-neutral.
The vital component: good research
Many POV battles would be made much easier through the practice of good research. Facts are not points of view in and of themselves. So an easy way to avoid making a statement that promotes a point of view is to find a reputable source for a fact and cite the source. This is an easy way to characterize a side of a debate without promoting a view. The trick is to find the best and most reputable source you can. Try the library for good books and journal articles, and look for the most reliable online resources. A little bit of ground work can save a lot of time in trying to justify a point later.
The only other important consideration is that while a fact is not POV in and of itself, adding facts, no matter how well cited, from only one side of a debate is a POV problem. So work for balance. Find facts that aren't from one side or the other and cite the source.
A simple formulation
We sometimes give an alternative formulation of the non-bias policy: assert facts, including facts about opinions — but don't assert opinions themselves. There is a difference between facts and values, or opinions. By "fact," we mean "a piece of information about which there is no serious dispute." In this sense, that a survey produced a certain published result is a fact. That Mars is a planet is a fact. That Socrates was a philosopher is a fact. No one seriously disputes any of these things. So we can feel free to assert as many of them as we can.
By value or opinion, on the other hand, we mean "a piece of information about which there is some dispute." There are bound to be borderline cases where we're not sure if we should take a particular dispute seriously; but there are many propositions that very clearly express values or opinions. That stealing is wrong is a value or opinion. That Wikipedia:the Beatles was the greatest band is a value or opinion. That the United States was wrong to drop the atomic bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a value or opinion. That God exists ... this can be a troublesome one. Whether God exists or not is a question of fact, not a question of value. But as the fact is essentially undiscoverable, so far as anyone knows, whether God exists will usually be couched in terms of opinion or value. To state as a fact that "the existence of God is an opinion", while seeming to be sensitive to the issue, implies that there is no fact being discussed (Wikipedia:postmodernism or Wikipedia:strong agnosticism), or that it is relatively unimportant (Wikipedia:secular bias).
Cacheopedia is devoted to stating facts and only facts. Where we might want to state an opinion, we convert that opinion into a fact by attributing the opinion to someone. So, rather than asserting, "The Beatles were the greatest band", we can say, "Most Americans believe that the Beatles were the greatest band," which is a fact verifiable by survey results, or "The Beatles had many songs that made the Wikipedia:Billboard Hot 100," which is also fact. In the first instance we assert an opinion; in the second and third instances we "convert" that opinion into fact by attributing it to someone. It's important to note this formulation is substantially different from the "some people believe ..." formulation popular in political debates. The reference requires an identifiable and subjectively quantifiable population or, better still, a name.
In presenting an opinion, moreover, it is important to bear in mind that there are disagreements about how opinions are best stated; sometimes, it will be necessary to qualify the description of an opinion or to present several formulations, simply to arrive at a solution that fairly represents all the leading views of the situation. (Theological and philosophical debates are particularly hard to frame in a non-biased way; this very page bears that out, as it posed in a previous incarnation as an example of an opinion, "God exists".)
But it's not enough, to express the Cacheopedia non-bias policy, just to say that we should state facts and not opinions. When asserting a fact about an opinion, it is important also to assert facts about competing opinions, and to do so without implying that any one of the opinions is correct. It's also generally important to give the facts about the reasons behind the views, and to make it clear who holds them. (It's often best to cite a prominent representative of the view.)
Fairness and sympathetic tone
If we're going to characterize disputes fairly, we should present competing views with a consistently positive, sympathetic tone. Many articles end up as partisan commentary even while presenting both points of view. Even when a topic is presented in terms of facts rather than opinion, an article can still radiate an implied stance through either selection of which facts to present, or more subtly their organization — for instance, refuting opposing views as one goes along makes them look a lot worse than collecting them in an opinions-of-opponents section.
We should, instead, write articles with the tone that all positions presented are at least plausible, bearing in mind the important qualification about extreme minority views. Let's present all significant, competing views sympathetically. We can write with the attitude that such-and-such is a good idea, except that, on the view of some detractors, the supporters of said view overlooked such-and-such a detail.
A consequence: writing for the enemy
Those who constantly attempt to advocate their views on politically charged topics, and who seem not to care about whether other points of view are represented fairly, are violating the non-bias policy ("write unbiasedly"). But the policy also entails that it is our job to speak for the other side, and not just avoid advocating our own views. If we don't commit ourselves to doing that, Cacheopedia will be weaker for it. We should all be engaged in explaining each other's points of view as sympathetically as possible.
In saying this, we are spelling out what might have been obvious from an initial reading of the policy. If each of us is permitted to contribute biased stuff, then how is it possible that the policy is ever violated? The policy says, "Go thou and write unbiasedly". If that doesn't entail that each of us should fairly represent views with which we disagree, then what does it mean? Maybe you think it means, "Represent your own view fairly, and let others have a say." But consider, if we each take responsibility for the entire article when we hit "save", then when we make a change that represents our own views but not contrary views, or represents contrary views unfairly or incompletely, surely we are adding bias to Cacheopedia. Does it make sense not to take responsibility for the entire article? Does it make sense to take sentences and say, "These are mine"? Perhaps, but in a project that is so strongly and explicitly committed to neutrality, that attitude seems out of place.
The other side might very well find your attempts to characterize their views substandard, but it's the thought that counts. In resolving disputes over neutrality issues, it's far better that we acknowledge that all sides must be presented fairly, and make at least a college try at presenting the other sides fairly. That will be appreciated much more than not trying at all.
"Writing for the enemy" might make it seem as if we were adding deliberately flawed arguments to Cacheopedia, which would be a very strange thing to do. But it's better to view this (otherwise puzzling) behavior as adding the best (published) arguments of the opposition, citing some prominent person who has actually made the argument in the form in which you present it, and stating them as sympathetically as possible. Academics, e.g., philosophers, do this all the time. Always cite your sources, and make sure your sources are reputable, and you won't go far wrong.
An example
Karada offered the following advice in the context of the Wikipedia:Saddam Hussein article:
- You won't even need to say he was evil. That's why the article on Wikipedia:Hitler does not start with "Hitler was a bad man" — we don't need to, his deeds convict him a thousand times over. We just list the facts of the Wikipedia:Holocaust dispassionately, and the voices of the dead cry out afresh in a way that makes name-calling both pointless and unnecessary. Please do the same: list Saddam's crimes, and cite your sources.
Objections and clarifications
What follows is a list of common objections, or questions, regarding Cacheopedia's non-bias policy, followed by replies.
There's no such thing as objectivity
Everybody with any philosophical sophistication knows that. So how can we take the "neutrality" policy seriously? Neutrality, lack of bias, isn't possible.
This is probably the most common objection to the neutrality policy. It also reflects the most common misunderstanding of the policy. The misunderstanding is that the policy says something about the possibility of objectivity. It simply does not. In particular, the policy does not say that there even is such a thing as objectivity, a "view from nowhere" (in Wikipedia:Thomas Nagel's phrase)--such that articles written from that point of view are consequently objectively true. That isn't the policy and it is not our aim! Rather, we employ a different understanding of "neutral" and "unbiased" than many might be used to. The policy is simply that we should characterize disputes rather than engage in them. To say this is not to say anything contentious, from a philosophical point of view; indeed, this is something that philosophers are doing all the time. Sophisticated relativists will immediately recognize that the policy is perfectly consistent with their relativism.
If there's anything possibly contentious about the policy along these lines, it is the implication that it is possible to characterize disputes fairly, so that all the major participants will be able to look at the resulting text, agreeing that their views are presented sympathetically and as completely as possible (within the context of the discussion). It is an empirical question, not a philosophical one, whether this is possible; and that such a thing is indeed possible is evident simply by observing that such texts are being written daily by the most capable academics, encyclopedists, textbook writers, and journalists.
This should not be construed to mean that there can be no objective truth in an encyclopedia, in the sense that easily obtainable documents should be quoted or referenced correctly when first-hand sources are available, even if there are second-hand sources which quote them incorrectly. Neutrality does not compel us to introduce inaccuracy when something can be directly verified. Neutrality dictates that there can be multiple prominent interpretations to the meaning or validity of a work, but often the contents can be objectively verified, especially in the case of modern documents.
Anglo-American focus
Cacheopedia seems to have an Anglo-American focus. Is this contrary to the neutral point of view?
Yes, it is, especially when dealing with articles that require an international perspective. The presence of articles written from a United States or British perspective is simply a reflection of the fact that there are many U.S. and British citizens working on the project, which in turn is a reflection of the fact that so many of them are online. This is an ongoing problem that should be corrected by active collaboration from people from other countries. But rather than introducing their own cultural bias, they should seek to improve articles by removing any examples of cultural bias that they encounter.
Lack of neutrality as an excuse to delete
The neutrality policy is used sometimes as an excuse to delete texts that are perceived as biased. Isn't this a problem?
In many cases, yes. Many of us believe that the fact that some text is biased is not enough, in itself, to delete it outright. If it contains valid information, the text should simply be edited accordingly.
There's sometimes trouble determining whether some claim is true or useful, particularly when there are few people on board who know about the topic. In such a case, it's a good idea to raise objections on a Help:talk page; if one has some reason to believe that the author of the biased material will not be induced to change it, we have sometimes taken to removing the text to the talk page itself (but not deleting it entirely). But the latter should be done more or less as a last resort, never as a way of punishing people who have written something biased.
Dealing with biased contributors
I agree with the nonbias policy but there are some here who seem completely, irremediably biased. I have to go around and clean up after them. What do I do?
Unless the case is really egregious, maybe the best thing is to call attention to the problem publicly, pointing the perpetrators to this page (but politely — one gets more flies with honey) and asking others to help. See Dispute resolution for more ideas. There must surely be a point beyond which our very strong interest in being a completely open project is trumped by the interest the vast majority of our writers have, in being able to get work done without constantly having to fix the intrusions of people who do not respect our policy.
Avoiding constant disputes
How can we avoid constant and endless warfare over neutrality issues?
The best way to avoid warfare over bias is to remember that most of us are reasonably intelligent, articulate people here, or we wouldn't be working on this and caring so much about it. We have to make it our goal to understand each others' perspectives and to work hard to make sure that those other perspectives are fairly represented. When any dispute arises as to what the article should say, or what is true, we must not adopt an adversarial stance; we must do our best to step back and ask ourselves, "How can this dispute be fairly characterized?" This has to be asked repeatedly as each new controversial point is stated. It is not our job to edit Cacheopedia so that it reflects our own idiosyncratic views and then defend those edits against all-comers; it is our job to work together, mainly adding new content, but also, when necessary, coming to a compromise about how a controversy should be described, so that it is fair to all sides.
Writing for the "enemy" POV
I'm not convinced by what you say about "writing for the enemy." I don't want to write for the enemy. Most of them rely on stating as fact many things which are demonstrably false. Are you saying that, to be neutral in writing an article, I must lie, in order to represent the view I disagree with?
This is a misunderstanding of what the neutrality policy says. You aren't claiming anything, except to say, "So-and-so argues that ____________, and therefore, ___________." This can be done with a straight face, with no moral compunctions, because you are attributing the claim to someone else. It's worth observing that scholars are trained so that, even when trying to prove a point, counter-arguments are included, so that they can explain why the counter-arguments fail.
This can be a particularly touchy subject, and a large number of people can honestly fail to see the bias inherent in a popular term, simply because its the one commonly used. But it shouldn't take long to understand that the English wikipedia is a highly international project, and its editors reflect many different points of view. Its important to note that this level of objectivity is rather new to most people, and disputes over the proper terms may simply depend on the balance of points of view.
Other objections
I have some other objection. Where should I ask it?
Before asking it, please review the links below. Many issues surrounding the neutrality policy have been covered before very extensively. If you have some new contribution to make to the debate, you could try Talk:Neutral point of view.
Other resources
- NPOV tutorial
- Examples
- Words to avoid
- meta:Positive tone
- Template:NPOV - {{NPOV}} message used to warn of problems
- Template:NPOV-section - {{NPOV-section}} tags only a single section as disputed
- Template:POV check - {{POV check}} message used to mark articles that may be biased. Template:bias ({{bias}} may be used for short)
External links
- AssumeGoodFaith and
- NeutralPointOfView, both on MeatballWiki.
- Blinded By Science: How 'Balanced' Coverage Lets the Scientific Fringe Hijack Reality - Chris Mooney, Columbia Journalism Review. A valuable warning to Wikipedians about how attempts to balance the coverage can lead to biased, inaccurate and misleading reporting.


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We've been hearing rumors non-stop for weeks now, and it looks like the 4G BlackBerry PlayBook is finally upon us. The new PlayBook supports 4G LTE networks and is available first in Canada with other regions including the US and Europe to follow. While there is no mention of price, the 4G LTE PlayBook will be available in with 32GB of memory from Bell, Rogers and TELUS in Canada on August 9, 2012.
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WATERLOO, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - August 02, 2012) - Research In Motion (RIM) (NASDAQ: RIMM)(TSX: RIM) today launched the new 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet with built-in support for cellular networks. The new 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook maintains a sleek and ultra-portable form while delivering overall faster performance over the original BlackBerry PlayBook, as well as support for blazing fast 4G LTE networks. Launching in Canada first, the new 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook allows customers to work more productively and connect to the Internet, as well as access their email, on-line apps, media and content, from more places than ever.
"We're excited to bring customers the first BlackBerry PlayBook tablet with support for 4G LTE networks," said David J. Smith, Executive Vice President, Mobile Computing at Research In Motion. "The new 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook offers a broad range of premium features, including a stunning 7 inch display, front and rear facing HD video cameras, HDMI out and stereo speakers, and it also offers premium performance on high speed cellular networks, helping customers to be more productive than ever and to make the most of their time on the go."
Featuring the latest BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2 software, the 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet gives customers access to high speed mobile networks around the world (LTE and HSPA+)(1) and offers an exceptional, high-fidelity, fast web experience that supports more HTML5 functionality than any other native tablet browser on the market(2). The powerful unified inbox allows users to easily manage multiple personal and work email accounts, as well as messages from Twitter®, Facebook® and LinkedIn, all in one place. The built-in Calendar and Contacts apps offer features to help customers better manage schedules and prepare for more effective meetings. Plus, the apps' unique integration with social networks can provide customers with a wealth of information about their contacts at their fingertips.
The 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet is also enterprise ready. It can be easily managed with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion and includes BlackBerry® Balance technology, which allows a user to use a BlackBerry PlayBook for both work and personal purposes by keeping business information highly secure and separate from personal information.
Out of the box, the 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet comes preloaded with the tools customers need to be productive as well as to have fun, whether in the office, at home or on the road. Thousands of apps for work and play are also available on the BlackBerry App World storefront, such as the recently launched BlackBerry Video Store for all PlayBook customers in Canada, bringing additional functionality and value to customers. The BlackBerry Video Store offers a catalog of thousands of movies and TV shows. Customers can begin watching media as soon as they start to download a file, so they won't have to wait for the entire file to transfer before they can begin enjoying great entertainment on the tablet's high resolution display or on an HDTV using the BlackBerry PlayBook tablet's HDMI output. Canadians can download the free Video Store app on BlackBerry App World.
The 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet will come with 32GB of memory storage and will be available from Bell, Rogers and TELUS in Canada on August 9, 2012. Additional variants of the BlackBerry PlayBook tablet supporting various high speed cellular networks are expected to be available in the coming months from carriers in the US, Europe, South Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean.
For more information about the 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet, please visit: http://ca.blackberry.com/playbook-tablet.html. Data plans are sold separately.(3)
(1) LTE connectivity is currently only available from a limited number of carriers in specific countries. Where LTE is not available, the 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet can automatically adjust to connect on HSPA+.
(2) As measured by the independent HTML5 test site at http://html5test.com/results/tablet.html
(3) Check with your wireless service provider for availability, terms and conditions.
Price point?
_StephenBB81 Aug 2, 2012 at 8:56 am
Will be up to the Carriers,
I'm hoping they offer it subsidized on contract
I don't NEED one, but would get one for the right price
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:19 am
What are you willing for pay for with a three year contract? Doesn't matter what the price is unless you get a contact and then it will be up to the carrier.
Joe257 Aug 2, 2012 at 11:57 am
I'd pay $199 for a 2-year contract. It"d be silly to ask $300, and even $250 is a bit much under a 2-year contract.
c2grainger Aug 2, 2012 at 8:39 am
On my birthday ?? What am I going to do !
happy birthday my BB Leo brother/sister!
westex#WP Aug 2, 2012 at 8:43 am
happy birfday, fellow LEO. mine's the next day. :)
diego.roscetti Aug 2, 2012 at 9:02 am
Happy birthday fellow Leo. Mine is the day before on the 8th!!!
Likewise......mines on the 8th as well. Leo's Rule!
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Aug 2, 2012 at 9:58 am
Shoutout to my ARIES
c2grainger Aug 2, 2012 at 11:56 am
he knows what to do. cater to himself and buy one
Are those retooled and reboxed existing playbooks (with a 4g module slotted in) or are we going to see another write-down in the next quarter?
siddo_d Aug 2, 2012 at 8:51 am
That's exactly what I was thinking!
RedPortiaOne Aug 3, 2012 at 4:05 am
Ya me too
Playbook, the one and only
westex#WP Aug 2, 2012 at 8:45 am
I'm curious about the price point. If they price it like the did the OG Playbook, I would think it's going to land with a gigantic thud. I love my 64gb PB, but the idea of being always connected via cell tower is somewhat enticing, indeed.
rebelbw Aug 18, 2012 at 11:15 am
I'm wondering what will happen to those of us that have already switched to the tethering plan offered by our carriers how would they or would they allow a bait and switch. I gave up my grandfather plan in order to make use of the PB. Sounds like BB went to sleep and missed a major opportunity by rolling out the LTE so late and lost some of the fan base to the Android crowd.
rspzeke Aug 2, 2012 at 8:51 am
anything on os 2.1 for the playbook? or is it being released with 2.0?
Rootbrian Aug 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
No release date yet.
RedPortiaOne Aug 3, 2012 at 4:06 am
I just read the release date is August 9 here in Canada, as we get first crack at it. The rest of the world is gonna have to wait. Sorry USA Canada is FIRST this time!!!!!
Playbook, the one and only
axllebeer Aug 8, 2012 at 10:03 pm
* BlackBerry by choice *
I don't care so long as someone gets it :)
If Canada gets it 1st then so be it. (they should anyway I think)
I'm in the US and if it his Canada then we won't be far behind.
Here's hoping you are correct.
Funny think is I awoke to a OS update on my PB this morning ... showing up as 22.214.171.1248 at 319 MB ... interesting ... here we go 8) download begins ....
rob7100g Aug 2, 2012 at 8:55 am
I received a software update notice but only for 126.96.36.1998 :/
SurrealCivic Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 am
I'm a little disappointed that they weren't able to do an exclusive launch with Bell for the Olympics. Now it's too late.
Another question I have, where is BlackBerry Bridge 2.1?
also downloading but what does this update bring *confused look*
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 am
Fixes..Don't you want them?
2.0.1 has many fixes, but the biggest change is supporting the 4G PlayBook and the cellular configuration. You'll have to wait for 2.1.x to get new functionality on the WiFi PlayBook. It's coming :)
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:03 am
Before all the people get their panties in an uproar about pricing. The only way that you would purchase this is with a contract which will make the price subsidized. Why would you purchase a LTE device at full price and not get a contact. I have heard that with a three year contract, these would be 199 dollars.
PineappleUnderTheSea Aug 2, 2012 at 10:39 am
For people that wold truly use a cell signal on a daily basis with the PB, a contract might be okay. Otherwise, you might as well buy it outright, those 3 years will add up like crazy. And 3 years is a loooong time, especially with only 32 gigs of storage.
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 11:09 am
If you aren't using a cell signal on a daily business, you shouldn't be buying a LTE tablet. Use a phone like the 9900 to be a hotspot for your tablet. As for 32GB, it's 4 times as large as the storage on a Nexus 7 base model. Why anyone would limit a tablet to 8/16GB is beyond me.
au_louz Aug 2, 2012 at 9:05 am
Is there any strategical benefit to launching without os2.1???
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:14 am
Yes. I have been using 2.0 for a while and it works really well. Why would you wait for 2.1 when 2.0 works well?
If you use your PB for music, 2.0 does NOT work well. The music player in 2.0 is unable to read playlists correctly. RIM acknowledged this bug even before 2.0.1 was released, but did not fix it in time. Apparently, it has been fixed in 2.1, according to those using the beta.
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:53 am
OK. I don't play a lot of music on mine.
ayekon Aug 2, 2012 at 10:53 am
How about the not launching in the US part...
I feel like BB just started pulling a Nokia...
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 11:05 am
I have no problems with that. Test it close to home and expand from there. If the US had a better reception to non-US companies, then it wouldn't be as problematic. But in the US, unless you are a US company (Apple, MS, Google), customers don't want your products.
alan510 Aug 2, 2012 at 11:24 am
You have to hand it to Americans. When their economy is in trouble they do tend to rally around home grown companies. The tech and auto industries are great examples, supported by the tech and auto press. It will be interesting to see how they react to a new Blackberry platform in the New Year.
camera531 Aug 2, 2012 at 11:44 am
I guess that's why Samsung is selling more phones in the US than any other country...
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 11:53 am
What OS does Samsung smartphones run? Android. And who owns Android? Google. And where is Google located? USA. Thanks for playing..
Lmfao!!! GAME OVER!!!!
soaresr Aug 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Maybe RIM should actually manufacture BB's in the USA and Americans will buy them ;) haha
BruvvaPete Aug 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm
lol. Nice
jason8957 Aug 3, 2012 at 2:59 pm
So, your argument is that consumers are "buying" an American OS that Google gives away from a Korean company and that means that they are supporting the USA? Thanks for playing, I suppose.
Ruslan Botsyurko Aug 2, 2012 at 9:14 am
Just received a 2x 3MB update on my 2.1 beta too, rebooting, will report if anything new, but I expect it to be some kind of minor update.
EDIT: OK,so it's 2.1.560, didn't notice anything fancy by now ;)
lawguyman Aug 2, 2012 at 9:14 am
I guess 2.1 is not coming soon then?
mnhockeycoach99 Aug 2, 2012 at 10:00 am
If I were a betting guy, I'd put money down on the next week or two. According to Bla1ze, internal RIM builds of 2.1 are at 22.214.171.1240 and the 4G PlayBook is releasing next week.. so hopefully we are getting close.
BB_Bmore Aug 2, 2012 at 3:18 pm
If that were the case why not just hold off another week or two and launch the 4g with 2.1?
2.1 is far off i suspect October :/
Blackberry_boffin Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 am
Would it have hurt their cost saving efforts to do a live online launch in a presentation room in waterloo? That way they would have released the suite of adverts that they surely have to market the 4G PB?
Was 2.1 too far away to wait for, and group together with the launch?
Right now it's so low key RIM seems to be trying not to catch anyone's attention.
lawguyman Aug 2, 2012 at 9:18 am
Seems like a very low key launch. RIM is not suggesting that this is anything extraordinary. Good move because people are so skeptical.
Costa84 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:19 am
$250/contract, $500/outright, with bell. Rep told me this on the 31st.
BruvvaPete Aug 2, 2012 at 9:31 am
If true, I wonder what the 10" PB will retail for.
Hopefully someone with some smarts got some pre-orders from corporate/government contracts.
No mention of specs...
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:36 am
Did you miss..
"For more information about the 4G LTE BlackBerry PlayBook tablet, please visit: http://ca.blackberry.com/playbook-tablet.html."
BruvvaPete Aug 2, 2012 at 9:29 am
In that html 5 test BB kicks butt
mkmilan Aug 2, 2012 at 9:45 am
Downloaded 319mb and installing 470mb ???
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:49 am
Really??? Downloaded compressed, installed uncompressed..
mkmilan Aug 2, 2012 at 10:05 am
Yes, for such a large download, would have hoped for 2.1 , plus why such a large maintenance unless 2.1 release not really as soon as expected
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 10:15 am
The updates could have touched a lot of the system and some of the core code/system might have been changed and it was better to release full OS update vs trying to figure out all the differences in a small patch. I see no problem with that.
DOCTOREVIL8 Aug 2, 2012 at 9:48 am
Canada gets the first treatment? That is so cool. Finally, a Canadian company can release a product to Canada first. Call Guiness!!!!
seanmccloskey Aug 2, 2012 at 9:55 am
Just read an article that at CNET that Blackberry Finally Releases a 4G LTE Tablet. You would think that 4G LTE tables were common place and everyone has one. If I remember correctly Apple had to drop its 4G from the New iPad as it really wasn't. There is no need for finallys, RIM is working its way up again and long may it continue.
Additionally the haters have jumped on the comments bandwagon there already
*Blackberry By Choice" \m/
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Aug 2, 2012 at 10:03 am
Not many companies have one that is 4G. Wouldn't expect anything other than bashing from the liberal based zionist media.
mkmilan Aug 2, 2012 at 10:09 am
Really???? Comments like this on a tech site?!?
1magine Aug 2, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Bold - You - whatever sub-species - you are - should be doused in kerosene and lit.
randall2580 Aug 2, 2012 at 10:12 am
I can't speak for other places in the world but the "New" iPad on both Verizon and AT&T here in the State both have LTE radios - that's as 4G as it gets here.
kupfernigk Aug 2, 2012 at 11:41 am
This suggests that they were telling the truth last year about having to wait for BB10 till the 4G chipset was good enough. It also suggests that the Playbook is indeed used as a test vehicle for the new tech before it appears in the phones.
Now all we need is 4G in the UK...Government dropped the ball on that one badly.
randall2580 Aug 2, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Not sure how you get here about the delay, the processor is nothing special a 1.5 ghz dual core with LTE chipset.
advil_yum Aug 2, 2012 at 9:59 am
not anywhere to be found on RoBellus
beavertail2 Aug 2, 2012 at 3:39 pm
August 8 is the release date. Today is August 2nd. Hold your horse.
pentax1 Aug 2, 2012 at 10:17 am
Will wait till they price drop again like they did with the first one which i paid 699 and everbody else bought for 199
Bluenoser63 Aug 2, 2012 at 10:28 am
This is going to be different. It will be up to the carriers what the price will be. Would you buy a LTE tablet without a cellular contact?
Bobert_123 Aug 2, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Same here, not going to make that mistake again
mikepraba Aug 2, 2012 at 10:22 am
Just finished updating the OS. I had the Beat so I only had to download 3MB update. No noticeable difference but seemed like it booted up little faster. I wish Rim can publish the Change log ?
watelzbuddy Aug 2, 2012 at 10:22 am
They are testing their LTE design issues with LTE playbook with a hope that they can learn the bugs and fix them by the time launch their BB10 based LTE phones. They want BB10 launch to be near perfect since this is their last chance.
Rootbrian Aug 2, 2012 at 11:30 am
RIM is doing fine. The world doesn't revolve around north america.
owadkelly Aug 2, 2012 at 11:38 am
North America(NA) is a trendsetter for smartphones. This is where Blackberry gained its initial mainstream success and eventually will also lose it if it does nothing or is not succesful with BB10.
RIM is fine now, but they need to be a major player again in the NA. They cant ignore NA.
BB_Bmore Aug 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Actually it does, If the U.S economy collapses every other country will follow suite. Sad but true.
w0lfgang Aug 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
GeneralHerzog Aug 2, 2012 at 11:31 am
Exactly my thoughts.
xenrobia Aug 3, 2012 at 11:47 am
As I live in the country where HSPA+ is the norm, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, I think this will be a great tablet. It will be interesting to see how the transceiver adjusts on my frequent trips into LTE zones (ie: into the city). I would imagine the price will be in line with what the Telco's are offering the the Samsung and HTC tablets at, since the specs are very similar. I think that the OS 2.1 will be available shortly after the official release of the new PlayBooks, or maybe even by the time of the official release (keeping my fingers crossed). My preference would be for a 64 GB version, in keeping with the one I currently have, but I don't know if I can hold out that long. Finally, I'm wondering if the new PlayBooks will have the ability to be set up as WiFi hotspots like my current 9900 and 9320 can?
I'd also be willing to bet that the radio sets (transceivers) are an order of magnitude better then anything offered in an Apple or Android products. Remember Paratek Adaptive RF being purchased by RIM? I'm really excited to see all of RIM's efforts coming together in finished products and I think CrackBerry would do well to pay special attention to the capabilities of the radio sets in these units.
martinjdub Aug 2, 2012 at 11:03 am
I'm just happy it here...ill be seling my 64GB for the LTE version.
mikepraba Aug 2, 2012 at 11:15 am
Can I use the Rogers Simcard (currently using on my 9900 with 6GB data) on the new 4G playbook>? or Rogers would charge more money to let me use the same plan with playbook?
owadkelly Aug 2, 2012 at 11:32 am
CMO is still on probation in CB fans' eyes.
Lets see some agressive marketing campanigns for the 4G LTE Playbook starting now! Dont wait til its too late.
Need to start a hype around Blackberry again and in preparation for BB!0 next year.
Rootbrian Aug 2, 2012 at 11:33 am
I'll wait until WIND gets the playbook released on the AWS 1700 frequencies. Until then, my 16GB playbook will kick ass. I'm using it until it no longer functions.
GeneralHerzog Aug 2, 2012 at 11:35 am
Only 32GB to start? Bummer!! I have the 64 and want an LTE unit but I don't like the drop in size. Being a very impatient person, I won't be waiting but 32?????? (insert bad words here.....and lots of them)
mandony Aug 2, 2012 at 11:36 am
Noted in the specs
1.5 GHz dual core processor
1 GHz dual core processor
tindoeshek Aug 2, 2012 at 11:52 am
Just wondering why it is not planned to release in Asia Pacific?? What about Hong Kong? We are one of the most advanced cities in term of 4G development. Don't miss out Hong Kong please RIM!! :):)
Heavens1 Aug 2, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Australia's not on the list for this new model release either!!
Odd, since we've been running HSPA+ for years and 4G coverage improves by the month!!!
My current PB has been running HSPA+ without any problems and that's via a mifi device .... I get full bars on the majority of occasions.
Wondering if our carriers didn't want to pick it up ...
Irrespective I only ever buy outright and then I choose my carrier - that's easy to do here.
bambinoitaliano Aug 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Rim need to put in Chinese language before they launch playbook in Hong Kong. Sadly, it's been two years since the device is on the market. I don't understand why RIM is ignoring a potential huge market in the East.
nyplaya610 Aug 2, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RIM did not sell the first playbook and is launching a 2nd one? I love my playbook but the lack of app support is ruining the chances of it selling. I don't know why they are not getting app support its a great machine. But regardless, the 2nd playbook is going to sell.
DaMaRa1109 Aug 2, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I've offically had enough w BB .... I in north america and am currently using a 9930 ...was going to buy a new playbook and a BB 10 device but I'm not that loyal to any OS or phone company. I prefer the bold having owned a nexus and 4s but its clear where BB's loyalties lie...not to mention all these crap compaines w newer versions of OS then verizon has.
Wish I could say its been a plesant ride. Bye BB & CB : (
GeneralHerzog Aug 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Are you pissy because Canada gets the PB LTE version first?
Bye that argument, Canadians should have thrown in the towel months ago when you Maaricans got the video store before us.
This isn't a tit for tat thing. Logistically speaking, and with the previous release lesson learned, start off with the smaller of the two markets, work out the kinks, then do the 'proper' release Stateside.
With any luck, a few more carriers south of the 49 will finally wake up and have shared data plans to make use of the PB LTE
Trust me, I'd be pretty PO'd if you guys got the LTE version first then us, but I wouldn't toss my loyalty because of it.
On the Verizon OS issue....take it up with Verizon, not RIM. It's their slack asses that are to blame.
Hopefully one day RIM will move away from carrier branded OS' to avoid such frustrations. Trust me yet again. Having both a Telus and Rogers berry, I would LOVE for Telus to NOT have a hand in the OS 'tweaking'
nyplaya610 Aug 2, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Playbook and the 9930 goes great together. Which part of RIM are you complaining about?
smoothrunnings Aug 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Expect to pay more for your data plans as the carriers will most likely sell you a business data plan.
I just hope that Virgin Mobile Canada decides to pickup on the tablet.
thelink74 Aug 2, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I sure hope it works with corporates who do not have a BES server (my employer does not) but i was able to get my wifi PlayBook set up on active sync on my company server and all i need is a wifi signal and my VPN and i have access to corporate emails...
Mikhou Aug 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Its definitely hurt the stock today, and it continues to get worse.
-3.68% and dropping as I type this.
GeneralHerzog Aug 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm
That's normal day for RIM. No biggy
mikepraba Aug 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mikhou, Have you seen the rest of the market today? Where is Facebook? THe Wall street is Bleeding and do you expect RIM to be up 10%?
The rest of the market is down, but no more than 1%. Rim was holding its own until the announce...then it started droppng fast.
gradyutama Aug 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm
as long it does not has phone function, i will never purchase it
Perjade Aug 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm
It's like coming late to a party ! Soon it will sell for $ 199 ! :)
guerllamo7 Aug 2, 2012 at 1:35 pm
We have two WiFi Playbooks at my home but for the right price, I could be persuaded (easily).
Love my Playbook.
playbookster Aug 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm
My work is buying these
xenrobia Aug 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Am I wrong, or is this the FIRST 7 inch tablet to have cellular capabilities? if so, then why haven't any of the other maker's of tablets in this form factor equipped their offering with 4G LTE capabilities? Gee whiz, is RIM leading the pack, AGAIN?
BruvvaPete Aug 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm
This is just the beginning, I think.
Perjade Aug 3, 2012 at 3:56 am
Yeah, it's the beginning of the end.:(
BruvvaPete Aug 4, 2012 at 10:50 am
Perjade. I thought you were on the path of not being negative. Come on, bro.
RedPortiaOne Aug 3, 2012 at 4:15 am
The original Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 inch had 3g in the USA and I think there was a 4g model planned too but not sure if it materialized
Playbook, the one and only
xenrobia Aug 3, 2012 at 11:09 am
Actually there are, or were:
- Galaxy Tab 7 (3G)
- Galaxy Tab 7.7 (3G) Apple had this banned in Europe, not sure about North America and I can't find any for sale.
- HTC Flyer (3G) Not sure they even make this anymore. I've found the wifi only offered at $500.
- Dell Streak 7 (4G) Don't know if this ever got produced or not
Since what constitutes a 3G, or 4G signal seems to be a moving target, let's not even start that discussion. Finding a 7" tablet that claims to have any kind of cellular capability is hard, finding one for sale and on the shelf, or even on back order, would appear to be almost impossible. And I have found absolutely nothing else offered in 4G LTE.
BB_Bmore Aug 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm
This should tell us all that 2.1 is no were even near ready to launch otherwise the 4g would have launched with it. October for 2.1 im thinking.
smoothrunnings Aug 2, 2012 at 3:01 pm
December 12, 2012 is when OS 2.1 will be ready.
tr00don Aug 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm
The 32GB Wi-Fi was $249, I guess the G4 is worth $299, no contract.
RyanCh1na Aug 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Been waiting for this! They are finally starting to do things right! ;)
MadGasser Aug 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Count me & my 32 GB PlayBook in on this contest.
BlackBerry4Lyfe Aug 2, 2012 at 4:22 pm
It doesnt make sense to come out with a 4G LTE Playbook if the first one didnt do so well. It wasnt the 3G that did it ( or shall i say didnt do it) it was the fact of not offering certain features a tablet should have....RIM should have waited and came out with a totally redesigned Playbook with OS 10.
beavertail2 Aug 7, 2012 at 3:10 am
Do you own a wi-fi PB? If you had, you would realize the PB software has gone to v2.0 which makes it a complete different beast.
You talked about PB from only the hardware perspective and forgot the other important part - software.
My experience with the v.2.0.668 is fantastic. Everything is faster. Apps are great. I like the Maxthon browser and the OSMand navigation.
LTE PB will be great with the extra horse power and many times faster Internet access.
DaMaRa1109 Aug 2, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Its not that I'm pissy .... Just sick of waiting and waiting ... Who knows when when "coming months " will be w RIM. I've held out on a tablet purcahse and this doesn't seem to be a game changer to me in my opinion , if anything a lesser product then ipad / high end android tablets & apps. It actually makes me loose faith in the BB 10 phones that are " around Q1 of 2013 " done waiting around for a company on its heels w one foot in the grave while the big dogs blow past them and will contiune to do. Releasing tech products decades ahead of RIM....eyyhh
Btw I'm not trolling. Stating my opioin and thought. Seeing as I'm using a 9930
kingbernie06511 Aug 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm
how about 64gb capacity???
Paris1976 Aug 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Been saving an AT&T sim card just for this magic moment.
Wondering how much faster that 1.5 ghz processor is and whether it will be noticeable...
koool1 Aug 3, 2012 at 10:52 am
Wondering the same. RIM should upgrade all playbooks to the 1.5 ghz processor.
Android Market for QNX Aug 2, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4G PlayBook! I'd get one for my dad, but it depends on the price point, I don't think he would be interested in getting a plan considering he already has an expensive plan for his iPhone. Kinda makes me want to get one for myself and just give him my Wi-Fi only PlayBook considering I don't have a plan... If the unsubsidized price for 4G 32 GB PB is around $300, I'd be willing to give it a look over say the Google Nexus. I think the PB is pretty much dirt cheap at this point, hard to find a better deal.
craigthomas11 Aug 2, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Why still no expandable memory? Surely a tiny little SD card slot would not hurt?
Its the only thing stopping me from buying. I'm just not convinced 32gb or even 64gb is big enough.
Markymarkp Aug 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Count me in.
I will buy one and more stock if they fix this damn, very annoying Comcast email issue.
RedPortiaOne Aug 3, 2012 at 4:10 am
I just read the release date is August 9 here in Canada, as we get first crack at it. The rest of the world is gonna have to wait.
This is indeed exciting news considering all you hear about RIM these days is bad news. THe three worst peices of news are
1: RIM loses 142 million lawsuit last week
2: RIM CEO says they will have to find someone to develop BB10 as RIM doesnt have the money
So this Playbook 4g LTE is a very welcome piece of good news. I'm just hoping this 4G LTE Playbook is a whole new Playbook and not just some reboxed old PLaybook with a 4G LTE chipset added
I want Playbook to survive as much as the next guy, but even more so as I got my wife the Samsung Galaxy Tab she wanted and a Playbook for myself. She says buying a Playbook was a big mistake. So far I haven't regretted it. Don't let me down RIM!!!!!
Playbook, the one and only
xenrobia Aug 3, 2012 at 11:23 am
With respect to your assertion:
"2: RIM CEO says they will have to find someone to develop BB10 as RIM doesnt have the money"
You should really go read the actual article, because your statement is so far out of context and erroneous that some might consider it Trolling. And it doesn't cast you in a very favourable light.
harry112 Aug 3, 2012 at 7:28 am
sounds like it could be a winner
Aaron_21 Aug 4, 2012 at 4:29 am
No nfc???
JanesKiss Aug 4, 2012 at 1:46 pm
It can't be used in either Europe or Asia, the frequencies does not cover 800mhz, 1800mhz or 2600mhz, so an iPad failure all over again.
Would a PlayBook 4G have a faster connection than a regular Playbook connected via internet tethering on a Bold 9900?
patpatiar Aug 4, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Yes, as it gives you direct access to the 4G network rather then getting data from the 9900 then to the PB.
For those asking why no support in Australia/ Asia Pac/ Europe - it won't work over LTE and you will only get 3G speeds.
According to the Canadian spec sheet the chip supports 700/1700 Mhz LTE.
Think the iphone 4s was 700/2100 for comparison.
Aus/ Asia and most Euro networks are using 1800MHz for LTE, and may ultimately add 700Mhz as additional spectrum comes up...
Much like in Australia where apply had to withdraw ads for the iphone being 4G, given it couldnt actually work on any 4G networks.
Presumably there are no multi-bandwidth LTE radios out yet, so maybe RIM will release a separate LTE1800 version ???
BBjaychicago Aug 9, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Looks good.
cracker01432 Aug 9, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Been waiting for this. Love the size + functionality of Blackberry OS rather than the toy store alternatives.
Love current playbook australian version would be good but why when normally have blackberry phone to bridge. With
golferguy Aug 10, 2012 at 8:04 am
This would look better if I owned it!!
does321 Aug 10, 2012 at 8:11 am
I want one ...
amzad2009ctg Aug 11, 2012 at 5:42 am
It's lightening. I really really wanna have one of this. I'm currently using Blackberry bold 9700.It's really cool
Timinftl Sep 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I'd do some radical things to get one of these, can't buy one so I hope I'm lucky enough to win this. I've been a fanatic for RIM for 6 years now and don't see anything about that changing in the future except that my old curve is EOL and the Playbook would fill in the gap between voice and my obsession with mobility and computing. I love writing apps and such but the simulator is a far cry from actually having the real thing to work on and living a predominately nomadic life increases the need even more.
Not being one of the 1% and trying to live off disability is hard as heck so If I pay the bill for my plan I can't buy the PB and if I buy the PB I can't afford a plan to use it,

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Starting next year, state residents older than 18 who want to get a license will have to hold a three-month learner's permit before taking the road test.
The new requirement changes 106 years of history in which an adult had no required training period to complete prior to obtaining a driver's license, the state Department of Motor Vehicles announced Wednesday in a news release.
The DMV said that highway issues, including the need to better understand how to operate a car, prompted this requirement.
Connecticut is among only a few states to require a learner's permit for adults. The law goes into effect Jan. 1.
"Cars are more sophisticated today, traveling roads can be more dangerous for inexperienced drivers and some form of a learning period is required now for those over 18, just as we have done for those under 18," said DMV Commissioner Melody A. Currey who made the announcement with transportation safety advocates at St. Francis Hospital and Medical Center in Hartford.
The DMV expects that more than 30,000 people annually will be affected by this change, including teens who delayed licensing to avoid the state's restrictions on 16 and 17-year-old drivers.
The 18 and 19 year-olds this year account for about 11,000 who will need a learner's permit as an adult, the DMV said.
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- Beginning January 1, 2013, the state will require an adult learner's permit for new drivers who are 18 years old and over other than those holding a valid driver's license from another state.
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No chimney required. This quartz infrared fireplace heats up to 1000 sq. ft. for just pennies a day! Now you can enjoy the ambiance of a fireplace coupled with efficient, energy saving infrared heat technology. And because it's electric, there are no chimney, venting or gas pipes required. it features 1500W of power with 5100 BTU output, adjustable thermostat to keep the room at the perfect temperature, 1000/1500W heat settings, log set, realistic flames with flame only option, built in control panel with LED display, remote control, wood cabinet with matte black face, quiet scroll fan and 6' power cord with 3-prong grounded plug. California certified CARB compliant. No assembly required. 26" x 32" x 12". Cherry colored.
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