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The BlackBerry Slider/Torch 9800 has been pictured plenty of times now, but today it finally let it all out and showed off once again. The latest round of photos snag pretty much every imaginable angle of the device leaving nothing to the imagination. From here on out there really isn't anything on it we haven't seen, although we still don't know for sure just what it will be called or even when it will be released. It's kickin' it on AT&T and running BlackBerry 6, and even though we got our fill on video already, it's never a bad thing to see some more. Plenty of photos over at Engadget to feed your appetite.Source: Engadget
swishhh Jun 24, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Is it just me or does it look better now than before? The extra space around the keyboard seems to have lessened. Looks interesting!
The lighting seems to be darkening the bezel, making it look like black chrome, which IMHO looks gorgeous.
This is one device that I think will look exceptional blacked out...
Digital Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Agreed, it looked good with the silver chrome bezel, but it looks gorgeous with the black chrome bezel. I'd still prefer a less rounded bottom edge, but this thing is looking very nice aestetically!
Make the hardware top notch, get a rock solid build quality, and of course squash all the bugs (no Storm 1 type issues please), and I'm ditching my iPhone 3GS for this thing in a heart-beat. Yeah, I want to get an LTE phone when it comes out, but this is looking too good to resist! Silent touchscreen BlackBerry on AT&T ... I'm sold. :)
serpico Jun 24, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Just a big Palm Pre now
shabbs Jun 24, 2010 at 5:03 pm
You mean, it's what the Pre should have been.
p8ntball8 Jun 24, 2010 at 6:11 pm
A friend of mine has a Palm Pre that looks smaller than this slider, also keys on the Pre are small and recessed that they are hard to type with. My hands are huge so the only keys that really work for me was the older Curve but these will do...as soon as they release the f%@&%g phone..
serpico Jun 24, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I mean it's ugly ;)
wudanin Jun 24, 2010 at 10:33 pm
May be good-looking than palm
devGOD Jun 25, 2010 at 1:46 am
serious if AT&T offered me that phone for free, I'd decline and opt to pay for something else out of pocket. Its really nothing to WOW about. I'm betting the sales won't be all that either
shacknews Jun 24, 2010 at 4:00 pm
It looks wonderful, but damn, gonna be a while till Canada has this, BELL GET THIS PLEASE!
If this is Storm 3 doesnt come out by December, Im going iPhone 4.
Wiredin Jun 24, 2010 at 4:54 pm
garanteed that we see this on Rogers within a week or so of AT&T either before or after. Many BB's launch in Canada before or at the same time they do in the states... RIM is afterall a Canadian company.
MarketRide Jun 24, 2010 at 5:23 pm
This WON'T be the Storm 3, that will still come.
medic3160 Jun 24, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Is that a front facing cam on there or has RIM just reworked the look of the LED indicator? Theres been rumors for years about BB developing phones with front facing cams for video conference use, and I think if RIM wants to stay competitive in the business and personal phone sectors, they should definitely consider making that a reality sooner rather than later. Although I love the BB physical keyboards, this just isn't going to be the "iPhone killer" unless RIM adds some serious memory (the bold 9000 is terrible in this regard), speed, and multimedia functionality (with videoconferencing and HD video recording being at the top of the list).
Please don't disappoint RIM! That DroidX is looking sexier every day!
AjStone Jun 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm
I am 99% sure it is the LED.
This phone looks just like my first smartphone, the VZW HTC XV6600 (also called the HTC BlueAngel).
I wish it was on VZW instead of AT&T, but I guess VZW has had 2 years of BlackBerry touchscreen. Time for the GSM folks to gain it.
joandrade Jun 24, 2010 at 4:26 pm
It's the LED/Light sensor. The 8520 has a similar dot near the earpiece.
Cap_172R Jun 24, 2010 at 4:02 pm
It seems the more and more i see it, the better it looks. I like the screenshot of the free memory though.. 290MB ...can't get any better than that! Not too much a fan of this form factor but i will like to try it out!
folgrz Jun 24, 2010 at 4:04 pm
i cant wait for this phone!!!!
abelmb Jun 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm
There's just something bout the slider that I don't like.
The_New_Dude Jun 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Why does it seem like RIM is always late to the party??
It's the same old screen with the 480x360 res where as all the Android phones are 640x480 and larger. The iPhone is even higher res.
No front facing camera. And I wonder what is the main camera like...
I love Blackberrys, but RIM is making it really hard for me to not look elsewhere.... :(
nolhayes Jun 25, 2010 at 3:40 am
The rim os is still farrrrr better than those other device. The competition is adding all these features for the consumer: video streamers, face time, etc. Rim has a corp fan base and then the consumer isn't second but their not trying to match the androids and iPhones on Every feature
hornakapopolis Jun 24, 2010 at 4:07 pm
When was rumored awhile ago to be coming to Sprint, I thought it looked a little "clunkier," but I was still interested in it.
Now that time has passed, I like it even more and wish it would come down the CDMA route at some point
large screen...check
physical keyboard...check
come on Sprint!!! we need this one.
looking much better i kinda like it but will have to wait to see how it performs out in the wild :)
skynny70 Jun 24, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Sure Verizon will get its version around 2016.
SuperECS Jun 24, 2010 at 4:11 pm
When I foirst heard about this phone, I thought it was a horrible idea. Like I wanted to slap the designer in the face because it seemed that ugly.
But as time goes on, I really want this phone to come out on Sprint, becasue I am in love with it!
I will switch to Bell or which ever carrier ends up getting this in Canada....I will break my contract for this...I will buy an unlocked version....or i could just hope and pray that the good folks at crackberry find it in their hearts to bless me with one :-D
knuckles937 Jun 24, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I wonder is Sprint ever going to get a touch screen blackberry? I love the functionality of my tour but I'm ready for a new phone and will not waste my upgrade on the new bold. I would love to see this slider come to the sprint network after it does poorly in sales on AT&T!
This looks like the same under-the-cover configuration as the new CDMA Tour, and the battery life ont that thing is not good (from what I've read and seen from a friends tour). The 9700 seems to have a much larger battery, and I can go days without hitting the charger under normal use. Hope there's some magic in that smaller battery that will give this phone a chance.
I bet 50 bucks KEVIN already has a 9800 come on kevin give us a wink we will take it as a yes
mrlee7 Jun 24, 2010 at 4:39 pm
I would have preferred a horizontal pop-out keyboard, but its a slick device none the less.
I'm gona wait for info on the storm 4, before I make any new device move.
shinerb Jun 24, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I still would like someone to drop this on a scale for me. I'm concerned about the weight of the thing.
Oh, and I have never ever needed a front facing camera. 9.5 out of 10 of us couldn't give a hoot about that being on there.
medic3160 Jun 24, 2010 at 5:02 pm
that may be true now, but when every other high end device features a front facing cam and video, RIM is once again going to be playing catch up to integrate features that the majority of consumers expect to see in such a phone. Look at the current high end smartphones coming to market...all of them feature front facing phones (DroidX, iPhone, Samsung Captivate, etc...). That means its not such a niche market anymore.
mckillio Jun 24, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Sure a lot of phones may have a front facing camera actually use it? Only 34% of Skype users use video and Skype is way more convenient on a computer.
Rob.Elliott Jun 25, 2010 at 1:20 pm
A Network called Three tried to push video calling, they even gave you free video calls, when 3G first arrived in the UK. Nobody bothered with it then, and nobody bothers with it now. You don't hear anything about video calls in Three's advertising anymore.
It's fun for the first 5 mins, but after the initial wow factor you won't use it.
sk8er_tor Jun 25, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Rogers did the same thing in Canada. They even offered free video calling when you bought one of the capable phones and it didn't fly. This was a few years ago.
Barredbard Jun 24, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I beg to differ; the front facing camera is one of the selling points of Sprint's new HTC EVO. More and more people are relying on social apps like Skype to remain connected with far-flung family members. Business users are beginning to find video conferencing invaluable, and that contrivance can hardly be achieved by a back-facing camera. I would certainly love to see that feature, though not at the expense of the back-facing one.
Ol_Boy Jun 24, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Finally this thing is getting some love. I think it looks great!
Pilot Prop Jun 24, 2010 at 4:48 pm
when this first showed up in leaked pics i was certain that it would be a device that i wouldn't be interested in....but he more i see video and pics of it i cant help but get anxious for this to release on AT&T...as of now i am sold on it and the only test it has to pass is the hand test: if it feels good in hand and typing on it then it shall be mine
But why only AT&T?! Yea that def doesnt sit well with me. Its such a great Slider! Best of both worlds. No!!!!! AT&T your the devil
mrlee7 Jun 24, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I recall reading an article that after 6 months it will be open to other carriers.
adchapin02 Jun 24, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Glad they got rid of that silver trim.
All that ever did was flake off and make your phone look old and damaged.
Wiredin Jun 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm
the silver trim is stil there, its the lighting/crappy cell camera that makes it look black.
it looks really good with the black lookin trim
aznhomieboi1689 Jun 24, 2010 at 4:59 pm
On the screenshot with the memory, it has "applications storage", "built-in media storage" and "media card storage"....does that mean 9800 has also an on-board memory of 4GB got media?!?!!! ?!?!?!
Ebscer Jun 24, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Certainly implied that there is 4GB there not counting the microSD card. Also the implication that it can't be used for Applications. No idea what it really means...
breakmedown Jun 25, 2010 at 4:03 am
I'm not sure what it means either.
One would hope that it would be user adjustable between how much would be "media" and how much would be "application". Obviously until we get our hands on it there'd be no way to know if it was, but to me it'd make sense to do it that way.
rock54 Jun 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm
exactly. wussup with the internal memory? why not make more of that avaiable for apps? phone looks sweet.
montyl Jun 24, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Is it a touch screen also? If so and it gets CDMA (i.e. Verizon, I think I'm in love)
Touchscreen - yes.
CDMA - no, at least not yet. Give it a year or two.
Ebscer Jun 24, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Rumor originally was that Sprint was supposed to get this 6 months after AT&T
loudsystem Jun 24, 2010 at 5:13 pm
sorry Rim.. way too late to the party.. i wonder how many people ditched their outdated blackberry and bought an iphone this week. Im waiting to see reviews on the Droid X and gonna drop my 9700 and never look back
Ebscer Jun 24, 2010 at 5:32 pm
If you are going to leave BlackBerry at least get something from HTC...
Barredbard Jun 24, 2010 at 9:03 pm
If I didn't know better, I would consider it all a grand conspiracy. As long as the iPhone is an At&t exclusive, I don't want it. A lot of folks feel that way. Why Apple would chose to make such a counterintuitive agreement is beyond me. The iPhone is currently successful on At&t; arguably the worst carrier in the US according to the latest polls. Imagine how well it would have done if it was on all carriers like Blackberry. I certainly would have tried it by now. I am hungry for the rich graphics, the engaging interactive tasking, and the beautiful browsing experience.
So, yeah, a lot of people are effectively 'trapped' with their Blackberrys because the iPhone is not available on their favorite networks. The HTC EVO was a close contender until its horrendous battery life permanently knocked it out of the race. We'll see what the future brings. This much I can say for sure: I am getting cold feet with my beloved Blackberry. Never thought I'd see the day...
kevindharner Jun 24, 2010 at 5:14 pm
so how sturdy do you think the slider action part will be be?
six4seven Jun 24, 2010 at 5:24 pm
This is a joke. I'm still waiting for touch bold (touch screen navigation, no trackpad, and full qwerty).
blackletter Jun 25, 2010 at 12:34 am
Earlier this year, CrackBerry released images of the scrapped touch Bold phone. The touch Bold design was as wide as the original Bold 9000, but its screen was a touch screen AND it contained the full qwerty keyboard also.
I can't remember exactly what the CrackBerry article said, but RIM decided to terminate the touch Bold model because it decided to move onto a more viable touch screen design.
mattpowell19 Jun 24, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Does anyone know if they are going to offer this phone for T-mobile...??
Why does AT&T get the good stuff first??
JRF_1986 Jun 24, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I like it a lot but kind of wish the on-board media memory was the app memory... 4gb for media and not for apps sucks.
crackberryhead Jun 24, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Looks like the same crappy battery door that is on the 8900, hopefully the one on the slider isn't loose like the 8900's....And the iphone can lick my sack!
the brother Jun 25, 2010 at 10:24 am
but we love that slick battery door! it's unique and distinctive and smells nice. :)
HTC_Droid_EvO Jun 24, 2010 at 5:36 pm
They should stick to HD photos to trick people into thinking this phone is hot.
Like a fat chick on facebook...shoot it from the top. dont show the wasted space and with angles.
p8ntball8 Jun 24, 2010 at 6:03 pm
good one...
Anyway, bring out the damn phone already. What are they waiting on an invitation?
MarketRide Jun 24, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Was on the CC and JIm just mentioned that OS 6.0 will supprt dual profiles (personal and corporate). That is a big plus for this device.
JETSfanALLday Jun 24, 2010 at 6:15 pm
That phone looks huge
NoahFecks Jun 24, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Does anyone find it odd the pics were taken from an iPhone? Could have at least used a real camera instead of a toy....
jimmycinla Jun 24, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Look how bad the top and bottom line up in the last two pics (37 & 38). I sure hope it isn't a cheap sliding mechanism.
canon1100 Jun 24, 2010 at 7:15 pm
....that this device would arrive at T-mobile 1st. Lets think about it for a min:
AT&T: Always with the superior devices and trying to have superior service against the competition.
T-mobile: Always getting 2nd best devices and also having not-so-superior service.
BlackBerry 6 is late to the game and still will continue to use very (yawn) plain animation to gain access to various menus on their phones.
BB 6 looks like BB 5.0 but in touchscreen format and now featuring Apple web-kit internet.
is it just me or is that phone wider than the 9700? looks great either way! im gettin this one
danielcj Jun 24, 2010 at 7:51 pm
What's the point if it doesn't have a touch screen...and why can't RIM roll out a new OS faster...Android and Apple are constant making updates but RIM seems to be lacking in that department..not to mention that there are new Android and Apple phones every year!
mckillio Jun 24, 2010 at 8:59 pm
It is a touch screen. RIM comes out with new phone and OS updates nearly every year. The more mature an OS, the fewer the updates it will get. Android is going to be switching to only two or one updates a year from now on.
aznberry Jun 24, 2010 at 7:54 pm
I hate blackberry. Nothng new about it. Even with a new phone release. OS still the same. Even with an OS update. Will they ever make a come back? I'm
leaving for the Evo and not looking back.
I have the Tour and really really getting bored of
the features.
EVO all day....
Hate me or Love me...
pineypl Jun 24, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Okay so you hate it and all things BlackBerry, don't be an A double S, just leave and don't drop comments. That is so immature. I hate to have to comment, but it is comments like yours that make me think you are 12 or just a shiny object type. So go have phun with your new Ifone 4 and enjoy that all new multi-taksing thingie.
Some of us with large hands (hands your girlfriend would like) will enjoy using a large form-factor device like this.
Now go sod off, punk.
aznberry Jun 25, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Better learn how to read:
Fuck You and your dumb large hands. Aint my fault you got dumb fingers. Maybe your girlfriend might wanna play with my New Evo. MY screen is bigger than yours! SISSY
Sissy Ass fingers... PUNK!
Oh yeah, Fuck a Iphone.
I'm tring to get excited about this phone but can't. It has the worst of all the features, a small keyboard, thick, and fugly.
It's sad if this is the best phone RIM can come up with.
Did anyone else notice the 1250 mah battery? Not very good, hopefully it will be upgraded on the final model.
I'm just not feeling this phone at all, and AT&T is.....AT&T. I have an 8900 now and looked at the "new" 9650, although it has differences, it just looks and feels like any Blackberry released a year go. Now they have trackpads, joy. Same outdated OS, same crappy web browser, and nothing really new or innovative.
I am seriously considering dumping Blackberry and getting an HTC Incredible.
HTC_Droid_EvO Jun 24, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Yea as a INC owner, it is the best move you will ever make. This is just sad...I would buy a sleek palm before getting this Crap...
And to think they made that horrible music yoga video for these...
Hey where is the clam shell so I can laugh some more.
sf49ers Jun 25, 2010 at 1:57 am
andypaintshomes Jun 24, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Looks like a Tour and a Curve2 meshed together...
Jiacona1981 Jun 24, 2010 at 10:28 pm
the phone looks too big for me. i had the palm pre for a year, and i am not really a fan of sliders anymore. but its a blackberry, and with blackberry 6; i would check it out if it ever lands with sprint.
laollis Jun 24, 2010 at 11:07 pm
I want it now!
CarmelScoop Jun 24, 2010 at 11:21 pm
I envy this phone. I wanted to have one for myself but I guess I have to work hard for it.
blackletter Jun 25, 2010 at 12:38 am
Can someone please answer my question? Let's retrace history. The original Bold 9000 was released in November 2008. The successor Bold 9700 was released in December 2009.
If the Bold 9800 is intended to succeed the Bold 9700, wouldn't the 9800 be released not earlier than November of this year? Maybe even December of this year?
Because RIM decided to label their Tour 2 as a Bold, it's difficult to keep track of the Bold product line.
By the way, why would RIM want to redesign the Bold as a slider instead of just improving on the original design of the 9000? I'm confused. RIM already has the touchscreen flagship device - the Storm.
Oh well. I just wish we could get some hard facts about release dates for the 9800.
VIDGMER Jun 25, 2010 at 12:31 am
Touchpad + Touchscreen? **scratch heads** saying "I dont get it..."
mckillio Jun 25, 2010 at 1:17 am
I assume you mean trackpad. You would only use it when you have the keyboard slid out.
Dark_Halmut Jun 25, 2010 at 12:36 am
Its still the same resolution and size display and processor as my 2 year old storm. This device is irrelevant. They upped the ram in current blackberries thats it. In the same time all other manufacturers have doubled processor speed and screen resolution.
Not A Happy Camper Jun 25, 2010 at 12:54 am
I just went from an 8350i (Nextel) to an 9650 (Verizon) and the difference is like night and day. The problem is that Apple and Android are out of this World and RIM is still "stuck" in Canada. I don't think that the Slider or whatever they're going to call it will cause any excitement for Blackberry. Those of us that have Blackberry's know that they are great divices and stick with them for a variety of reasons. But the market has changed and Blackberry is becoming old technology. Sad to say but if RIMs best efforts to date is the Slider they may become obsolete or another Palm. How sad that would be......
Pure1rish Jun 25, 2010 at 1:10 am
First and foremost: The Bold 9000 is the benchmark.
Among all the devices I have carried and could carry, the Blackberry Bold 9000 is my choice.
I support any chance for growth with that phone as it's blueprint, backbone or big brother.
I Phone or Droid: I will Pass
Unlocked Nokia & Blackberry Bold are the lineup to go with when using a PDA or smartphone on AT&T.
- They work alot better on the network and are capable of more than Android and Apple Products.
Plain and simple.
They work as a mobile phone should when it comes to data usage. Not to mention the easy access for entertainment as well. Stream music, radio shows, Police scanners, and download all the podcast you want. Watch movies, TV shows, Cartoons.
The closest thing to a Lab-top I have found in years inside the industry and researching phones.
The consumer doesn't lie and people do still have major bucks they are spending on Blackberry's. RIM must be doing something right.
The Blackberry 9800 is a great example of a company listening to it's consumer's and basically saying. "Here yo go. You asked for it, I hope you like it?"
People are going to get what they want.
-New OS, Keyboard, Touch, Size, Functionality, and More.
devGOD Jun 25, 2010 at 1:13 am
who would buy that phone? really iphone4 just released on AT&T, Iphone 3gs is $99, New HTC phone coming out, really who would by this dated phone? wow 290mb of space for apps... what a joke
sf49ers Jun 25, 2010 at 2:08 am
WTF do you think apple is offering?? FYI.. it is also freaking 512MB for 4g, 3G 128MB and 3Gs 256MB. Also FYI.. RIM sold 11.2 million phones this quarter and you don't worry about that as people are aware what does what..if you have ever used the blackberry you will know the answer
blackletter Jun 25, 2010 at 1:27 am
Listen, I LOVE Research in Motion and support their business model, but I have to agree with those who say that RIM is stuck on outdated hardware.
Just look at RIM's competition: iPhone 4, HTC Droid Incredible, EVO
I LOVED the Bold 9000 - it was TRULY RIM's first flagship phone - a completely new redesign of the hardware, qwerty keyboard, and OS.
Now look at RIM. They scrapped the original Bold 9000 design and now EVERY RIM phone looks nearly identical - just compare the Tour, Bold 9700, Bold 9650 - almost all look identical.
I am worried about RIM. Can RIM truly compete with the 21st Century advancements in smartphone hardware? Let's be honest. The original iPhone REVOLUTIONIZED the ENTIRE smartphone industry - EVEN RIM acknowledges this fact. Because of the iPhone, the smartphone industry became HUGELY popular. Since the iPhone, every smartphone manufacturer has tried to emulate the iPhone's hardware success - even RIM.
Will the 9800 cause any consumer demand? I don't know but I'm afraid to find out. Almost all smartphones are going exclusively touch screen.
derekmckee Jun 25, 2010 at 1:25 am
UGHHHH, I wish that LED indicator was a front facing camera. Why doesn't RIM add a cam there and make the trackpad glow as the indicator light. That might be sexy.
infinus Jun 25, 2010 at 2:18 am
I don't know, but some how I feel it's not a really that big deal
To upgrade from 9700.
Hope RIM comes up with more than vga resolution and good hardware,
RIM should come up with pen drive support, plug in your BB to read and write to pendrive.
sickflow Jun 25, 2010 at 2:26 am
when is this phone gonna be released?
nolhayes Jun 25, 2010 at 3:43 am
Argh Att? You can't be serious...I wonder if I can get this device unlocked to work on a TMO network. What do you guys think?
dystopia Jun 25, 2010 at 4:04 am
Ever since the Iphone data plans starting changing I've had a feeling the AT&T wasn't gonna be the only ones having exclusivity. Either way this better come to Verizon, it looks far better than when it was introduced. I'm waiting for a storm 3 however. I've given up my slider qwerty days. They can be so inconvenient sometimes.
fnguyen Jun 25, 2010 at 5:43 am
THe palm pre was looking good, I think there is a mismatch between in terms of design between the touchscreen which is sort of angular and the keyboard, which looks fat and round, I definitely prefer candybar
JusticeCalibur Jun 25, 2010 at 5:51 am
We know that once this launches, OS6 for other phones are just around the corner.
ibcnul8ter Jun 25, 2010 at 7:44 am
september, oh no :(
Ossprey Jun 25, 2010 at 7:46 am
The Slider is the same size as a 9700 or a curve when closed. i thought this was supposed too have the 9000 keyboard not the 9700 keyboard. i just did a upgrade too one of my plans too a white 9700 and I still perfer my old 9000 due too the size of the keys. as the keyboard is reccessed it is going too be rather difficult too type on useing "Man" thumbs. guess I'll be waiting for the updated 9000 or may go too a android for my next due upgrade.
You know... it looks a whole lot better with a more square top than it did with the rounded top. My only beef with it is the size but that may be worth it for a screen that big.
same72 Jun 25, 2010 at 10:34 am
ahah that will very popular..
coffee-turtle Jun 25, 2010 at 11:23 am
holding on to Blackberry's? I'm glad RIM is seeing a need to confirm to formfactor's that are working for other manufacturer's, but are BB's the phone choice anymore?
Anyone knows how this device "feels" when using the extended keyboard?
I do like the large screen, of course, but the physical keyboard is always a make-it/break-it option for me.
reubenn Jun 25, 2010 at 11:55 am
I was going to get this phone until I saw the Droid X. :)
jlb21 Jun 25, 2010 at 12:00 pm
[jokingly, as it is not going to VZW right away]
Hey, Verizon, I just got my replacement 9650 in the mail and it doesn't seem to be working right. Can you send me a slider instead? ;)
Looks nice!
mas3222 Jun 25, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I'm with all the Sprint fans on this one wishing we could get something like it. ATT? Maybe its also RIMs way of seeing how will it will sell put next to the the iPhone?
bippy Jun 25, 2010 at 11:33 pm
On AT&T, no thanks!
Another great move RIM.
Moonbase0ne Jun 26, 2010 at 4:07 am
More pics. No release date info or even an official announcement? Yawn.....
Neubie2 Jun 26, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I've looked at the Storm/Storm2 for quite a while, but never really could get used to them. Friends have them and I've had the chance to use them. If this is the NEW Storm, I think RIM has finally achieved status that everyone will appreciate with this Slider. And a proper sized keyboard as well, along with the touch screen, I think it's a winner. One that I will seriously look at, to replace my Bold 9000.
trtmazda3 Jun 27, 2010 at 12:04 am
This looks really nice, but it just doesn't seem to compare to a lot of other phones being offered right now. However, being the slight BlackBerry fanboy that I am, I have to say I'd probably upgrade to it if I was eligible. :-P
niceday2 Jun 27, 2010 at 5:02 am
looks nice, but I just want blackberry 6 on my storm 2.
Also, it amused me that those photos were taken from an iphone >_>
digibreakthe1st Jun 28, 2010 at 2:11 am
Have they release the spec yet on this phone i ask because im holding out to see if its on par with the evo, if not im making the switch because RIM seems to be lagging from all their releases so far and u compare them to HTC phone like Incredible or Evo or that crap phone IPhone..
I've always like the concept, but every time I see new pics of the slider, it just looks better and better.
The only downer I see so far is that it only supports bands 1, 2, 5 and 6. No band 4 for AWS (Wind Mobile and Mobilicity up here in Canada)... Guess I'm stuck with Rogers or Bellus...
silverfang77 Aug 2, 2010 at 5:36 pm
I like the slider. It looks really cool. I even like the onscreen keyboard. What I dislike is that it's going to be exclusive to AT&T, a company with known network and data service issues. I think it would be more competitive if they offered it to more companies.


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I hope they fixed the issue when watching movies from ITunes...
Thank you for all that descriptive information.
If you're jailbroken don't update. No word yet on if this new build can be jailbroken. I'm going to guess no.
Thanks for posting that, so yeah, looks like 5.2 is it for me for a while. Glad I'm not much of a hulu user.
Hulu is not available in Canada only US/JAPAN so this update is for US only. Why does Apple to this to us Canadians
It's the content owners. It's not Apple. Do you actually think Apple has any say in where Hulu does and doesn't do business? Honestly?!
Ask Hulu?
Finally a device I can update lol. I don't JB my Apple TV so going to update this soon!
I hope it fix the bug of connecting to the device with app. I will update and check it out
Thanks for the heads up on yet another update for me iMore.
There isn't really much difference. Or nothing that I've noticed yet. After about a weeks worth of playing around, I'll know then. The remote however, seems to be a big more responsive.
AppleTV is one of my few toys. I don't have Hulu Plus but I have noticed its faster responding to the remote and a half second faster loading from iTunes. I'll take what I can get.
Ya Hulu plus is not available in Canada so why do I need to update
Because this is not the Canadian Wide Web, hoser.
Apple only cares about US customers. It's always been that way, and always will.
I updated this evening and haven't noticed any significant differences.
Never had an issue with Hulu plus on my TV before. After the update, getting the same error I get from Netflix occasionally. Hulu Plus is unavailable. Try again later.
To the moron American who replied to the Canadian "it's because you're Canadian" is it any wonder the world hates and I mean hates arrogant America?? With your 900000 trillion dollar arrogant debt? Not to mention politicians on the take and let's not forget slick Willy and his intern. That stuff does not happen here. Americans could only be so lucky as to be here. Just ask any celebrity who has spent any time here. Jackass.
I gotta love the caliber of the comments from the north as well. Pure genius, eh?
Well at least we have time to comment. Up here we aren't spending all our time playin banjo and didling our cousins and sisters. Here's your sign. By the way, the use of the word caliber is also interesting. Another fixation you Americans have guns. Talk about penis insecurity for the boys or envy for the women. Thank GOD I don't live there!!! I also visit the zoo on occasion but hell if I want to take up permanent residency.
Mounties.....nothing more needs to be said
I was going to say that it was a harmless joke but these responses makes that fall kinda flat.
I think the biggest bug was me struggling to connect a device to an app. Was a horrible experience.
We have the latest Hulu+ interface but we didn't update.
I wish the apple TV would stop asking me to update - it gets stuck on that screen when I start it up on occasion. When say no, dont ask me again until there is a new update, or I want to be updated.
Apple TV is a good product. Dying to see a great Apple TV product. Doesn't need to be an actual TV set. I think it's better to stay out of that hardware game.
it would be great if there was a regular hulu app. I would watch tv on that thing all day
i think the apple tv could be the next most popular item right i think the samsung smart tv is best tv i think what apple should do is make a aculal Tv with the built in system with a wiimote type controller isight camera, siri, maps. iPhoto, and other apple made apps and instead of making a new generation so much i would just EPICILLY make a new system like ios or another idea is when im on a road trip or something i like to watch tv so apple should make a 7" portable unibody Tv for trips like that but make it only like 750$ maybe that could be the nextbig thing
Punctuation? Your post is unreadable.
Apple tv is amazing :)
Perhaps someday the Apple TV might be a useful device for those of us that don't live in America. Here in the UK, we have two absolutely essential services, think of them as our versions of Hulu and Netflix. Those services are the BBC iPlayer. the Amazon LoveFilm. Any streamer missing either (or both) of those, is dead in the water here. ATV has neither.
All we get in the UK from ATV is Netfllix UK (which House of Cards aside, is abysmal), and the iTunes store.
I use my Xbox for my streaming needs, as it has most UK streaming services. It's very slow though - the 8 year old hardware is really bad at this app type stuff. Content is king though, and the Xbox has the content.
Why oh why won't Apple just open up an ATV app store?
I'm not sure i like the new Hulu interface. I hope I get used to it.
I do like my Apple TV but it lacks channels and apps. Until they do, I will still favor my Roku 3.

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VFW National Commander Testifies Before Congress
During today's [Wednesday's] testimony before a joint hearing of the Senate and House Veterans Affairs Committees, the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. (VFW) expressed the organization's deep concern over America's disregard for veterans.
"What concerns the VFW and patriots everywhere is that America has forgotten that OUR NATION IS STILL AT WAR," explained William A. Thien, commander-in-chief of the VFW. "We have 38,000 men and women stationed inside Afghanistan fighting to ensure the country doesn't become a terrorist training ground again. We have another 30,000 stationed in South Korea helping to preserve a 61-year-old ceasefire that is looking more and more tenuous. We have tens of thousands more service members stationed abroad helping to bring peace and stability, and humanitarian assistance when and where it's needed."
Thien went on to address the war now being waged on American soil as well, reminding lawmakers of the ongoing veterans' fight to retain their promised benefits and Quality of Life programs. He noted the passage of the recent COLA penalty, an initiative that VFW was adamantly against since its introduction late last year. "Some believe the cost of war ends when the last troops leave Afghanistan. We know this is not true, and that is why we need a fully funded state-of-the-art VA health care system, benefits programs and cemetery system."
He pledged that the more than 1.9 million members of the VFW and its Auxiliaries will fight to preserve the safety and security of America and the viability of its All-Volunteer Military. He also vowed to fight attempts to force veterans, service members and their families to shoulder an unfair share of the nation's debt, and promised to continue the fight for adequate funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs, as well as for advance appropriations for its programs.
Thien explained to Congress that the VFW's mission is to ensure that a nation that creates veterans fulfills its sacred duty to care for them when they return home. "The VFW exists to serve veterans, and that includes representing them in Washington where the voice of one veteran is often overlooked and the voice of servicemen and women is prohibited.
"Everything the VFW wants costs money, but everything the VFW wants is for someone else—someone from every city and town in every congressional district, and in every state and territory who swore an oath of allegiance to protect and defend our great country and its Constitution," Thien stated.
VFW Announces 2013-2014 National Youth Scholarship Contest Winners
The winners of the VFW and Ladies Auxiliary sponsored Voice of Democracy audio-essay competition and the Patriot's Pen essay competition were announced yesterday[Monday] during the 2014 VFW Legislative Conference in Washington, D.C.
The Voice of Democracy program celebrated its 67th year with this year's theme, "Why I'm Optimistic About Our Nation's Future." The first-place winner, Madison Haley, sponsored by VFW Post 777 and Ladies Auxiliary in Mount Pulaski, Ill., received an all-expense-paid trip to Washington, D.C., where she was presented with the T.C. Selman Memorial Scholarship Award in the amount of $30,000. The second-place winner, Grace Speas, sponsored by VFW Post 10097 and Ladies Auxiliary in Fort Myers Beach, Fla., received the $16,000 Charles Kuralt Memorial Scholarship Award. The third-place winner, Luke Ball, sponsored by VFW Post 2573 and Ladies Auxiliary in Wilmington, N.C., received the $10,000 VFW Scholarship Award. All other state winners received at least a $1,000 college scholarship. More than 40,000 students participated in this year's competition.
Read Madison Haley's award-winning essay.
See the complete list of all winners.
The Patriot's Pen program is designed to foster patriotism by allowing students the opportunity to express their opinions on democracy based on an annual theme, this year's being, "What Patriotism Means to Me." The first-place winner, Alexis Canen, sponsored by VFW Post 1125 and Ladies Auxiliary in Glendive, Mont., received an all-expense-paid trip to Washington, D.C., where she received a $5,000 award. The second-place winner, Noelle Nakaoka, sponsored by VFW Post 2875 in Ewa Beach, Hawaii, will receive a $4,000 award. The third-place winner, Olivia Leising, sponsored by VFW Post 9357 in Cambridge, Neb., will receive a $3,500 award. More than 111,000 students participated in this year's competition.
Read Alexis Canen's award-winning essay.
See list of all winners.
2014: A Message from the VFW Commander-in-Chief
This year promises to be a momentous one for America's veterans and its warriors. Issues affecting those in and out of uniform will be on the front burner on Capitol Hill.
Two events in 2014 will no doubt put veterans and the armed forces in the national limelight: congressional elections and withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan. The ending of a war is always a watershed in history, and this one should be no exception.
Achieving such a milestone will attract publicity that should be maximized to the benefit of the Afghanistan War's veterans and their families. While the media is focused on the political ramifications of the combat disengagement, we should draw attention to the needs of the youngest generation of war vets.
Recently, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told the 47,000 GIs remaining in Afghanistan: "I know more than occasionally you wonder if anybody's paying attention, or if anybody cares, but we do."
Hagel may have been speaking on behalf of the American people in general, but his words could have been our own. This is all part of our commitment to "fully support U.S. troops and their mission to prosecute the war on terrorism."
VFW's Priority Goals include a host of issues—health care, housing, education, employment, transition assistance and military quality-of-life as a whole—that are perfectly relevant to those on active duty today. Each and every one of these goals is being pursued with vigor by our Washington Office staff.
Thanksgiving Thank You from the Veterans of Foreign Wars
The National Office of the Veterans of Foreign Wars has created a special Thanksgiving "Thank You" message for all VFW Service Officers, Members and supporters.
VFW Vows to Help the Families of Fallen Heroes
The Veterans of Foreign Wars, America's largest organization of combat veterans, has announced that its official charity, the VFW Foundation, is taking urgent action to help the families of fallen U.S. service members. Because of the federal government shutdown, the Pentagon is withholding a $100,000 death gratuity payment that is usually given to relatives of the deceased. Such payments stopped effective September 30, 2013 at 11:59 p.m.
William A. Thien, VFW Commander-in-Chief, called the delay "disgusting and shameful" and stated that, "It is absolutely appalling and nothing short of a travesty that elected officials continue to receive paychecks and benefits while not providing for those who deserve it most." While imploring the Congress and the President to "immediately resolve this issue" he has directed financial resources be made available from the VFW's Unmet Needs program which is funded through the VFW Foundation to help affected military families.
Established in 2004, Unmet Needs has granted over $4.7 million to military service personnel and their families for expenses due to rent, mortgage, utilities, vehicle repair, medical expenses and food/basic assistance.
Unmet Needs funds would be made directly available to the families of fallen service members to help with their bills, travel and other pressing financial concerns.
Families are encouraged to call the VFW's Unmet Needs hotline at 1-866-789-6333, option 1 or visit www.unmetneeds.org.
VFW Demands a Federal Budget Be Passed
VFW National Commander sends President and Congress formal letter
October 03, 2013
Dear Mr. President, Speaker Boehner, Representative Pelosi, Leader Reid and Senator McConnell:
The United States federal government is ending Day Three of a shutdown that both political parties created. On behalf of 22 million veterans and 2.3 million service members and their families, I urge all of you to start doing what's best for the country and not your own political interests. Every American is or will feel the effects of this budget impasse, but I am writing to you concerning the effects on our nation's veterans, our military personnel and their families.
The lack of a budget prevents countless veterans from taking advantage of transition assistance programs provided by the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Labor. The lack of a budget will increase the VA claims backlog, and stop VA disability compensation and survivor benefit payments to millions of combat-wounded veterans and widows because Congress won't extend the department's authorization into the new fiscal year. Many of these heroes depend on those payments to pay for their daily living expenses.
Our national security is threatened and at risk because of the lack of a defense budget and the ongoing sequester. Training is what makes our military the strongest in the world, but without a budget, aircraft are being grounded, ships are staying in port, and our Army and Marine Corps ground forces are not receiving the necessary training they need to successfully accomplish their assigned missions and, more importantly, to survive to do it again. We are also hearing the intelligence community is affected by the government shutdown, too. Haven't we all learned the lessons of 9/11? National Security and those who defend us cannot be shortchanged.
VFW Carries DOD Budget Fight to Congress
WASHINGTON — The national legislative committee of America's oldest and largest major war veterans' organization concluded its fall meeting here Wednesday with a direct message to all 535 members of Congress: "Finish Strong for Veterans."
"It's a message to Congress that the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States is watching, and so is the entire nation," said VFW National Commander William A. Thien, a Vietnam veteran from Georgetown, Ind.
"The federal government's new fiscal year begins in 11 days, but the Defense Department still doesn't know what their FY 2014 budget will be, or if they will have to operate under the strict rules of another continuing resolution and for how long," he explained. "DOD also faces the mandatory sequester, which more than doubles the $487 billion in savings that the department is already required to produce over the next decade.
"This is having a perilous impact on military personnel, readiness and training, and on family Quality of Life issues," said Thien. "And the continuing call for a one percent military pay raise, higher healthcare fees for military retirees, and changing the overall military retirement system is bringing additional stress to a military force in transition while it's still fighting a war."
The VFW national commander said finding a workable solution to the budget sequestration topped the list of five critical issues that VFW legislative committee members took to their congressional delegations. "We know it has to be done now," he said, "because 2014 is an election year, which means the attention of the entire House and a third of the Senate will be divided between doing the people's work and getting reelected."
Navy Veteran Elected to Lead the VFW
Members of the nation's largest organization of combat veterans have elected U.S. Navy and Vietnam veteran, William A. "Bill" Thien to lead the 1.6 million member organization.
William A. "Bill" Thien, a resident of Georgetown, Ind., was elected VFW National Commander on July 24, 2013, in Louisville, Ky., during the 114th VFW National Convention.
Thien served in the U.S. Navy from 1969-1974 and served five years in the Indiana National Guard. His decorations include the Vietnam Service Medal with 3 stars, Vietnam Campaign Medal with 1960 Bar, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal (Korea), National Defense Service Medal and several from the National Guard.
During his acceptance speech, he praised the hard work of VFW members and encouraged them not to be overly modest in spreading the word about the organization's accomplishments.
"We have far too many military people and veterans who believe that it's the Pentagon or the President or the Congress who are responsible for their military and disability pay increases or other Quality of Life improvements. We have to tell our story. You tell them that every new program, pay or benefit that they now enjoy is due to the lobbying we do to create them.
"What makes the Veterans of Foreign Wars great is the quality of our people who unselfishly dare to make a personal difference in the lives of fellow comrades, communities and nation. Caring for others, comrades, is what makes the VFW so great … and I hope you continue to spread the word to everyone," he explained.
114TH VFW National Convention Rolls into Louisville
More than 10,000 members of the nation's oldest and largest major combat veterans' organization are rolling into the Blue Grass State this weekend to elect new leadership and to approve national resolutions that will guide its advocacy efforts on Capitol Hill and its veteran and military support programs across the country.
"Our organization is governed by its members and elected delegates to our annual convention," said John E. Hamilton, the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States and its Auxiliaries.
"We expect a great deal from every delegate, because the decisions they make help to guide our lobbying efforts that directly benefit veterans, service members and their families, as well as all the wonderful support programs we provide at no charge, such as our service officers, who last year helped 125,000 veterans to recoup an organizational record $3.7 billion in earned disability compensation and pension from the Department of Veterans Affairs."
A number of national awards will also be presented at the VFW's 114th National Convention, to include:
· The VFW Dwight D. Eisenhower Award to Adm. Robert J. Papp Jr., the commandant of the Coast Guard.
· The VFW Americanism Award to retired Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the former Army deputy chief of staff and now CEO of One Mind for Research.
· The VFW Armed Services Award to the Naval Special Warfare Command (the SEALs).
· VFW Aeronautic and Aerospace Awards to NASA's Mars Science Laboratory and to Pioneer Aerospace.
· The VFW Citizenship Award to Gordon Logan, founder and CEO of SportsClips.
· VFW Teacher of the Year Awards to Matt Maddox, Columbus Elementary School, Edwardsville, Ill.; Hunter Jones, Will James Junior High School, Billings, Mont.; and Matthew Susin, Eau Gallie High School, Melbourne, Fla.
· And the VFW-supported VetJobs Outstanding Veteran Employer Award to Humana.
Guest speakers include elected politicians, such as Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell; foreign guests from Taiwan, Russia and Vietnam; Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki; Chief of the Army Reserve Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Talley; Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for POW/MIA Affairs W. Montague Winfield; the commander of the Joint POW//MIA Accounting Command, Maj. Gen. Kelly McKeague; the Adjutant General of Kentucky, Maj. Gen. Edward Tonini; Student Veterans of America Executive Director Michael Dakduk; and $30,000 VFW Voice of Democracy scholarship winner Danielle Hayes, of Mercy High School in San Francisco, VFW Buddy Poppy Child Unity Heim, from the VFW National Home for Children in Eaton Rapids, Mich., and more.
The VFW National Convention is not open to the public, but a video link to the general session will stream live at www.vfw.org beginning at 8 a.m. (EDT), July 22-24. Only registered and credentialed media from bona fide news organizations will be approved to cover convention activities. Onsite registration begins July 20 in room 201 of the Kentucky International Convention Center, phones (502) 815-6833, 6834 or 6835. The attached Media Daybook contains additional registration information and convention agenda details.
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Microsoft's Ballmer says they'll never again leave any space for Apple
Microsoft's bombastic CEO, Steve Ballmer, has "thrown down the gauntlet" at Apple, and while acknowledging they'd ceded innovation in the past, they'd not be doing that again. According to comments provided to CRN following Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Conference in Toronto, Ballmer said:
But we are not going to let any piece of this [go uncontested to Apple]. Not the consumer cloud. Not hardware software innovation. We are not leaving any of that to Apple by itself. Not going to happen. Not on our watch.
While Steve Ballmer has been successful in maintaining Microsoft's Office and Windows profits (Vista hiccups not withstanding), and managing, if expensively, to get into gaming with Xbox, Ballmer's attempts to be keep Microsoft relevant in the white-hot internet and mobile markets have been disappointing to say the least.
Now with Nokia as their primary handset partner, and Windows Phone 8 ready to hit the market, and with Microsoft making their own Surface hardware to try to compete with Apple's iPad, clearly a new strategy is in place.
And for Ballmer, at least, it's vital that it works. Having former CEO Bill Gates remain as Chairman of the Board has probably insulated Ballmer from much of the pushback on his internet and mobile strategies to date, but even that can't last forever. Apple has a new CEO with Tim Cook. RIM has a new CEO with Thorsten Heis. Google has a new CEO with Larry Page.
Palm didn't survive their transformation. RIM's is by no means certain. Microsoft has several viable businesses and billions and billions in revenue to keep financing their failures, but they're a public company and their shareholders might not be happy with their firehose staying on full forever.
Ballmer can be as bombastic as he likes in interviews, but if he doesn't start nailing internet and mobile, Apple space or no Apple space, billions in the bank or no billions in the bank, Microsoft might be next in line for a management shake up.
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"Ballmer's attempts to be keep Microsoft relevant in the white-hot internet and mobile markets have been disappointing to say the least"
You link to your own editorial about the Microsoft Surface(s) and say their efforts are disappointing?? Disappointing to whom? People who want Apple to be uncontested in the mobile space??? MS' Surface announcement is one of the most exciting things they have done in the Internet and mobile markets in years!
"Tablet PC, Windows Mobile 6.5, and Windows Phone 7 have been inarguably disappointing to Microsoft and the market."
THAT, I definitely agree with!
But, what I said was that your statement is not supported by your own article, which your statement linked to. Surface is not vaporware. It has been demonstrated and had hands-on by people outside MS. It's not released yet, but, "to date", it exists and it IS exciting! And nothing that Apple (or the Android Conglomerate) has "to date" or has demonstrated and scheduled to be released in the same timeframe as Surface has anywhere near the innovation and features that Surface (RT and Pro) have been shown to have.
Until a product is available in stores, it is moot. It isn't available because it isn't ready for prime time.
I don't want to hear promises, which often go unfounded. Promises are another way of begging your potential customers to hold off on buying a competitors product, and nothing more. Sadly, Microsoft has pulled this stunt before, so we really will have to wait and see if they can turn their ship around. I know. I spent many a year there. They have great employees shackled by an incredibly poor but highly narsisistic senior management team. Like RIM had.
Hey hoofer. Haven't you had an opinion on a product you have NEVER touched, tried one used?
Yep, same here, yet @stuartv seems to be the only one on the planet outside of the corp team in Redmond to actually have a Surface device AND used it.
Dude.......don't comment on something you have only seen and read about in blogs. Makes you look like a homer with no credibility.
Cannot wait for that 2016 Range Rover. Sure it's gonna be good.
Except, I cannot get it yet. But I'm sure it will be solid.
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would some rednerd please train his 500 pounds gorilla how to hold the computer... thanks :-))
IMHO... it looks like a ad banner for a B movie, in which a young transvestite can't decide if to love a old fat bald man, which looks like a 500 pounds gorilla with a laptop glued to his leg ... and a young boy with an iPad glued to his hand :-))
The next several months are going to be very exciting.
I totally agree. 2012 is pretty exciting in the Tech World IMO. I personally think that Window 8, Surface, WP8 will be a pretty big hit this fall. Let's hope they don't screw it up.
I'm not very hopeful regarding WP8. But, I think, if MS prices the Surface Pro attractively enough, it will merge what is currently two separate market niches (iPad and Macbook Air) into one new market - and OWN it.
I'd say the chance of that happening is less than zero. Tablets are used in a much different way than notebooks. MS may gain some tablet market share in the enterprise market, but they'll have no success merging the two categories imo.
MS is having enough trouble establishing Windows Phone. Maybe they'll add a keyboard/cover to Lumia and own the Blackberry market :)
Talking to people Surface has pretty good buzz. I know very few people that own any tablet right now. Apple has sold a lot of iPads sure but the vast majority of consumers still do not own any tablet. The market is still expanding and growing. I am surprised by the number of people who have mentioned Surface to me and they are all interested in the keyboard cover. The major concern voiced is price which I also have a feeling will end up being too high.
I have hopes for WP8 as well. I have a Lumia 900 and while it's a nice phone on the usability front WP7 feels like I am using iOS 3 again. The OS is very smooth and fluid like iOS but the way it functions and apps currently work are way behind the times. But it is a good start and WP8 to me looks a lot better. I'm rather bored of iOS at this point. After using Android I would get a Nexus 7 right now if I was getting a tablet sometime soon. I really have no interest in the iPad at all. Bring on Windows 8.
I think everyone must agree that iOS is smooth and fast. But like you stated, it's getting quite boring. Hopefully with the iPhone 5, they will refresh the homescreen.
ARE YOU KIDDING. You think people will use the Surface Pro instead of a laptop. That would be the most cumbersome device I have ever seen to use as a laptop. The screen is to small for desktop software, the keyboard is to flappy and would require a flat surface and the kickstand also requires a flat surface. The only way to use that thing as a laptop is at a table or desk and if you are going to be at a table or desk why do you want to use a portable device with a little screen.
There are already tablets like the surface out there, have you heard of Windows Tablets. That is the type of device Bill Gates introduced 12 years ago and the surface is no different except for Windows 8. I believe Window 8 is another VISTA moment for Microsoft. We will have to wait and see.
I agree with Ballmer that there is a line between phones and PCs. The tablet physical form factor would dictate that it should be on the PC side of the line. But, when Apple introduced the iPad, the technology could not support putting it on the PC side of the line. Now, technology has evolved and MS is about to release a tablet that is truly qualified to be on the PC side of that line.
I own Apple, Android, and WebOS mobile devices. I have not owned a MS mobile device in years. But, I can't to get my hands on a Surface Pro...
Is that you Woz?!!
If you wanted to run Windows desktop software on a little tablet screen why didn't you get one of the Windows tablets that are out there. Windows software is designed to be run with a precision mouse and keyboard and not with a finger so it will never be a good experience on a small screen or with a finger. Metro is a better option but you can get that without getting the Pro. But you can probably get a RT version of the surface and run a desktop computer with software like you can on an iPad. I use my iPad to do a few things on my Window 7 computer but I can't wait to hurry and get done because it is so cumbersome to use desktop software on a tablet.
It's really a shame that they think they actually allowed Apple to gain ground. Instead of realizing it was their repeated incompetence that drove away their customers.
Well said......
Okay Ballmer, bring it…! :)
If I worked in Microsoft, I would want to see that "go go GO" from the top; but it's not enough; a LOT more is required. Like all companies Microsoft needs to have a mature set of objectives and a few dreams informing their developmental process. That is what people like Jobs contributed at Apple; we are also beginning to see some of that ethos and purpose at Google.
Surface indicates that Microsoft do have more than bluster on offer - but can they make it fly?
I like innovation- bring it on!!!!
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IMHO, Apple got where it is NOT focusing on the competition (although clearly, at times, painted MS as the enemy), but rather innovating where there was little or none. iPod's, personal computing for the masses, tablets, etc. They never tried to "not let MS go uncontested," but chose their battles and tech wisely. Steve and MS should choose their battles and dominate the areas they can.
Let's just remember for a second that unlike RIM, Palm or even Google, Microsoft produces much of the backend software that drives the web, such as server, database and cloud software, and thus in spite of the poor performances of phones and tablets, Microsoft remains highly profitable and is not going down if it loses the mobile battle to Apple.
It's not too late to remember that even Apple's cloud solution runs on Microsoft software, which by itself shows that some of their mobile strategy is spot on.
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Didn't know that Microsoft owns the back end to the web: Linux, Oracle DBMS, MySQL, Apache. Good to know.
As per Wikipedia, 48% of all commercial web servers sold on Q1 2011 were running Windows, so yeah, as I said, much of the backend software that drives the web is produced by Microsoft. I did say "much" and not "all".
alright then bring it bit-ballmer
So he's saying they will copy every single thing Apple does from now on, instead of picking and choosing what to copy.
nice one :)
They are not coping, their magnetic cover has a keyboard in it. And their tablet uses a stylus. So they have innovated. And Metro is nothing like the look of iOS which you can't say about Android.


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Did not catch the season opening episode Sunday because it is on at the same time as copper and choose to watch that show instead. But I am still hoping to catch the show during one of it's many re-runs.
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It's official. I am madly in love with Meryl Davis.
I couldn't believe how graphic the final scene was.
Fun coincidence. Right when I was moving out of my old building, a new guy was moving in. We both work in entertainment and I was like, "oh, what do you do?"
Ended up he is the editor for "The Walking Dead" -- Jules Ramsay. I would've stayed just to be able to pick his brain, but I'm sure he has an airtight nda.
So...is Lori going to have a zombie baby? Because that would be awesome!
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead." - Homer Simpson
You can watch "Talking Dead" too. The half-hour chat show after the premiere.:
The 4-part Webisodes are fun to watch too.
Haven't been able to see it so hopefully tomorrow when I'm off I will do just that. LOL
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Glen and Maggie are 2 of my favorite characters on the show. I'd also like to see what develops between Daryl and Carol.
My favorite was when Carol came onto Daryl into a half joking way and then Daryl said "I'll go down first" while climbing down. I think Carol even made a funny remark about it but I was already too busy spitting out my drink.
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Finally saw the season premier and I feel for Daryl.He look so uncomfortable! hehehehe That must have been the first time in his life a chick hit on him.
Liking the first two episodes this season. It seems like they're picking up the pace through the comic's story arcs - I think they packed maybe 2-3 comics worth of plot in the past episode. Even as a fan of the comics, I think they spent waaaay too much time on the farm last season, so for me this is an improvement.
It's interesting how they seem to be merging Hershel's comic story lines with Dale's now that the latter is RIP. Also interesting to see in the next episode preview that they may make Michonne/Andrea's storyline run in parallel with the prison story arc - another time-saving way to cover more source material in a shorter time.
Daryl is IMO the best change from the comic to the TV series. His character is gritty and likeable, and he's like a wild card thrown into the mix so he's a good reason for someone who's read the comics to watch and see how he changes the group dynamics and how things play out.
What do the fans who haven't read the comics think of this season so far?
Why don't they spend more time killing the zombies "safely" through the prison fences and jail bars? They could clear out so many more instead of risky hand to hand.
Not sure why they didn't let the last 2 prisoners join the group. Are they going to turn away everyone they meet now?
I'm sure they could have found a portable generator or 2 to use on occasion. Better hand weapons/crossbows. They aren't very good at scavenging.
I really don't like Carl. Can't he go and get himself lost for a few seasons.
DishNetwork has struck a multi-year deal with AMC finally!!! Now I can watch "The Walking Dead" on TV again.:
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For me, I'm loving this season. I know some people thought season 2 moved too slow (I disagree, I loved it!) but this one has definitely picked up the pace.
I am most impressed with Rick's character. I love it when you can see the change in a character as they go through things and it's obvious from season 1 (when he was running back to Atlanta to save Merle) to now (where he's hatcheting legs and machete-ing live people in the head) that Rick is hardened and has been changed quite a bit. I'm sure at some point the change will catch up to him and cause him some grief, but for the most part he's had to adapt to this harsh and unforgiving world...and it's made him somewhat harsh and unforgiving.
Last season he wanted to keep everyone safe but was reluctant to make the tough decisions and it usually came back to bite him. He's not taking any chances this season and I like it! I used to look at Shane and think, "that's the guy you don't want to f*** with" but now I look at Rick and I'm like, "no, that's the guy you really don't want to f*** with!" I mean, Shane never macheted a guy in the head in front of everyone! That was intense! But when he did it, I cheered. It's obvious that Tomas guy was a true killer; and after he tried to kill Rick twice in 10 seconds, what other choice did he have? I think Tomas assumed Rick didn't have it in him...that's why he didn't even move during their little standoff. Boy was he wrong. And then the way Rick chased the other guy out into the yard full of walkers and left him...yeah, our boy has definitely changed. I feel sorry for the two prisoners in block D; I think they would have been okay to join the group but at the same time, you can't trust anyone.
I'm glad Hershel is okay but I'm wondering what kind of a liability he'll be now with the one leg...and as for Lori and her zombaby, it will be interesting to see what happens with that. I love how Rick shut her down at the end! Lori aggravates me. I don't like her.
I am enjoying the season so far. This is probably the best new show I've added to my extensive list of shows in quite a while. Can't wait til next Sunday!
Great episode tonight. Lots of interesting stuff happened, they sure moved the plot along. And I was okay having a week off of the Bickersons. As much as I love (to hate) them!
Some questions:
1. Why/how do walkers keep moving towards humans? Do they go on sense of smell? Sound?
2. It's been over a year since the whole zombie thing started (did we find out how it all started...we began with Rick waking up out of a coma,right?) - haven't all the zombies been killed off by now? And how do zombies survive anyway...human flesh/blood? (Isn't there a limited supply of that out there?)
3. I know that Merle had a gun pointed at the heads of Andrea and Michonne, but did they not think that warning Merle that a zombie was coming up behind him might bite them in the a** (if he survived that zombie)? Or were they hoping the zombie would kill Merle and they would escape. Because if I was Merle now...I'd be holding a grudge.
4. Has anyone in the history of television over-acted as much as Danai Gurira as Michonne?
5. What the heck is up with that final scene of the Govenor's decapitated head collection? And the head at the top...the camera seemed to linger on that one as if it held special importance. Is that something we need to learn about later, or did I miss something?
It's official. I am madly in love with Meryl Davis.
This show is soooooo hyped, so I started it. Halfway through season 1... and it's so far the SLOWEST show I have ever seen. Nothing happens! Am told it gets much better though so I'll keep watching. :p
2. They never really said how it started, and the CDC guy wasn't much help in explaining much. I believe on last nights episode, they mentioned zombies starve at a much slower rate than humans. Super slow rate.
3. Not sure what to make of Merle yet. Hoping for some flashbacks after he cut off his hand.
4. Tanith Belbin - when she makes an "O" face.
(Michonne is very quiet and untrusting. A lot has happened to Michonne and her back story.)
5. The head in the top glass was the pilot they found. They must have killed him too.
I don't want to spoil too much about the comics governor.
Season 2 is 13 episodes but did get a little slow during the farm stay. it picked up quick in the second half of the season.
Season 3 so far has been fast-paced. It will have 16 episodes. (8 in the fall 2012 and 8 in the spring of 2013)
ETA: I hope you keep watching and give it a chance. It's my favorite show on TV. Followed by "American Horror Story" and "True Blood" and "Dexter".
My bf has this theory that the Governor is brewing the zombies and drinking it in that tea. They made special mention of the tea and sure went out of their way to show multiple cups of tea poured at breakfast. If that is true then EWWWW but I can't put anything past this show/comic. I really want someone to tell me what exactly is up with the Governor but I know I should let it play out and enjoy the show.
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I don't think anyone could tell you exactly what's up with the Governor as they've changed it up quite a bit from the novels. I think the core character is the same, but they are taking things in a different direction. The producers and writers said they wanted to keep it interesting for those who've read the comics. I read this chapter and it's going to be interesting to see what they do decide to keep.
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