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No issue is more intractable than abortion. Or is it? Most Americans fall somewhere between the absolute poles of "pro-life" and "pro-choice." A Christian ethicist who advocates a "consistent ethic of life" and an abortion-rights activist reveal what they admire in the other side and discuss what's really at stake in this debate.
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This show is part of The Civil Conversations Project, a series of four public discussions offering ideas and tools for healing our fractured civic spaces. Listen to our other CCP dialogues:
» The Future of Marriage
» Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Pro-Dialogue
» The Next Christians
» Political Bridge People
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I appreciate when Francis
I appreciate when Francis Kissling said, "People don't read what you write, they read what they think what you are saying". I agree, but this has more to do with the current static method of authorship. It doesn't have to be that way and I have a prototype of a website to prove it. I've applied this On Being episode as an association to my essay on abortion.
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I intend to use Krista's
I intend to use Krista's questions about exploring what makes you uncomfortable on your own side, what you admire in the other, to proble more deeply into areas in which I'm so sure I'm right. The answers were wonderfully open, vulnerable and honest. I hope I can be use the openness as a model and find others who want to dialogue in this way. They're not easy to find. Great program as usual. Thanks.
I agree that different points
I agree that different points of views, but this is basicly a moral dilemma. A zygote most likely will not have the same rights unfortunately.
Thank you, Krista and your
Thank you, Krista and your crew, for crafting a different kind of exploration of truth and understanding. It seems to me to be desperately needed and profoundly important. Could you possibly do something with the Senate and the House of Representatives (mostly joking but wishing someone could move them to ways to work together for a common good)?
2 Extreme absolute positions?
2 Extreme absolute positions? Position #1: a person exists at conception and therefore there should absolutley be no abortion allowed whatsoever. #2: there should absolutely be no absolute ban. Hmmm... What's wrong with this? Am I missing something? It reminds me of 2nd amendment "absolute" positions.
If our presidential debates
If our presidential debates were as intelligent, reasonable, thoughtful, and thought provoking as this discussion was, I would watch them. I long for political discussions to get back to this kind of dialogue. This program, this series of discussions, this type of work which brings true dialogue to the public, this is why ON BEING received and truly deserves its Peabody Award.
I love the spirit of the CCP.
I love the spirit of the CCP. We have been trying to do a similar thing at the high school level with Socratic Seminar. I was trying to track down "Talking to the Enemy" that was referenced this morning. I'd like to share some parts of that with my students I think I may also play the last few minutes of this conversation with my students. Models for real civil discourse (vs. screaming talking heads) are so hard to find in the media-sphere today, so thank you.
In 1972 I told my priest that
In 1972 I told my priest that I was no longer confessing birth control as a sin-that when the Catholic church paid for me and my child(ren) from conception to college graduation, I would have as many babies as my body would bear but until then I will take care of and enjoy the two children we have. I feel we need to positively emphasize contraception to avoid abortions. Young people today are no more promiscuous than my grandparents who married at age 15 and had their first of seventeen children at 16. Females marrying before 16 was natural because that is when females are sexually heightened. If you were 18 and unmarried, you were an "old maid". What has changed is our expectation of females. We are now expected to graduate from high school and go on to higher education before we start reproducing. To expect females to restrain from the pleasures of physically consentual sex is as preposterous as it is to expect males to restrain their sexualilty. Promoting safe and proper techniques for contraception will drastically reduce the need for abortion. Developing male contraceptives that will allow males to control their ability to fertilize will give males control of their own reproductive responsibilities. We need to advertise widely (like we do for cars, fast food, etc.) the value of contraception. Creating another human being is an awesome responsibilty that we should only take on when we are mentally and physically prepared-we need to teach this too all at all ages.
Unfortunately it seems to
Unfortunately it seems to bear out that as we increase the availability of contraception, the number of abortions increase, not decrease. The same holds for condoms as a solution to the AIDS problem in Africa. As Pope John Paul II wrote, the problem is not with the body, it's with the heart. You might consider looking in NFP, it's endorsed by the Church, and, when pregnancy is not a good idea for serious reasons, is, with today's knowledge, the most reliable form of birth control.
"For there is one God, and
"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," - 2 Timothy 2:5
Confessing to a priest does nothing for you anyway, they can not absolve your sin. Only faith and trust in Jesus Christ ALONE can save you.
Contraception is a band aid for the real issue and that issue is we are forcing our young people to remain 'children' for far to long. And besides who are you to tell God 'no' to more children.
Who are you or I to say when a girl or boy are ready to become a woman or man?
In this Godless society of course young people are rebellious as well as having people who are also older and wicked who take advantage of them.
Parents aren't doing their jobs right and raising their children to be God fearing. Thus this huge societal break down.
What a thought-provoking
What a thought-provoking conversation! I really enjoyed this show. I appreciate how each guest was asked to find something admirable in the other side. Some years ago, I worked as a counselor in an outpatient surgical facility that provided abortions. I saw women from all walks of life. I do think that talking about the medical/scientific side of abortion can add value to the conversation. It's not until 16-25 weeks of life that a fetus develops a central nervous system, and this, I believe is important. I agree with Ms. Kissling that being pro-choice can be nuanced. While it was rare to see a woman seeking a late term abortion, those occasions gave me pause. I also think it's helpful to trace the history of the abortion debate in this country from its roots as a service provided midwives until doctors passed a law to corner the market. Also, at that time in history, there was a xenophobic component to the anti-abortion movement. Understanding all facets of this complex issue will further increase meaningful dialogue. Thanks for a great show!
Thank you so very much for a
Thank you so very much for a nuanced conversation on this important topic. I have been fed up with both sides of this debate on the surface, knee-jerk level of my consciousness for years, finding myself consequently paralyzed mentally and unable to think more deeply about it. The points David and Frances make are self-evident and wonderfully helpful, once the time and self-confidence emerges to allow them into thought.l
It's difficult to see how our
It's difficult to see how our country will ever resolve this issue, but reasonable dialogue and respect for the positions of others sure helps.
I am currently rehearsing a play (called a "generous and compassionate comedy") that Gadfly Theatre Productions hopes will lead to further thought and discourse. In Mitzi's Abortion: A Saint's Guide to Late-Term Politics and Medicine in America by Elizabeth Heffron, the main character faces the possibility of a late-term abortion after discovering that the baby she is carrying is anencephalic and would not be able to survive long after birth. Those around her with a variety of opinions include St. Thomas Aquinas (who, among other things, laments that the Church has dropped the idea of "delayed ensoulment" – that is, that a fetus does not get a soul at conception) and my character, a 17th-century Scottish midwife who was burnt at the stake.
I'll be interested to see how the Friday night post-play discussions go later this month.
I hope people will be as respectful and thoughtful as your guests on today's program.
One note is that the Church
One note is that the Church has always condemned abortion (and artificial contraception), from the beginning of the Church. See the Didache around the year 100. St. Thomas' idea of delayed ensoulment is, even in his view, a theologian's speculation on the subject, and does not weaken the Church's teaching, which is based on the revelation of God and the interpretation of the Church's Magisterium, but is an attempt to understand it better.
I think one reason people don
I think one reason people don't often discuss what happens after an abortion is that it's uncomfortable to admit that many women's primary emotion is not regret, but relief. If a woman has an abortion, she should at least have the decency to feel terrible about it for the rest of her life, right? Yet this is not the case for the vast majority of women I know who have been through this complex, emotional, and exquisitely private experience. Regret that circumstances led to the need to make a decision – yes. Regret for doing what was right for her at the time – no. I do agree that more talking about it would be a good thing, regardless of how each person feels. The experience of abortion can evoke a huge range of possible emotions, including regret, anger, grief, relief, gratitude, hope, happiness, and many others – none of them mutually exclusive. Podcasts like this may help make those conversations easier. I hope so!
This is the first time I've
This is the first time I've tuned into APM On Being. Listening to civil discussion about issues that have become poloarized gives me hope that we as thinking, feeling, spiritual, and physical human beings can actually learn to listen and understand one another. My other hope is that a constructive response can be cratfed both personally and publically. As a Christian and a mother I value both a respect for life and the weighty responsibility of raising children, espeically when there can be so many negatives of an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy with or without the option of abortion.
I never thought that there
I never thought that there can be civil conversation about abortion in this country. I am really glad that there are people like Dr. Gushee and Dr. Kissling. I enjoyed every word of it. IIf all our politiciamns both Republicans and Democrats would start thinking like this, we can move this country way beyond the full potential.. Great program Krista.
I have been waiting for years
I have been waiting for years to hear a dialogue on this issue of abortion. Thank you! Thank you! Krista handled the interview of these two amazing guests with sensitivity and grace. This program needs to be broadcast over and over- picked up by other media so folks all over the world finally hear some intelligent discourse instead of all the yelling and screaming that surrounds this deep issue that has become political fodder.
I hope this program ignites the hearts of millions - moves people to dialogue, authentic listening and asking the questions concerning all issues sacred. Blessings to David, Frances and Krista et al.
My sentiments as well.
My sentiments as well. Krista continues to amaze me with her masterful interview skills. I was so intrigued with the title that my wife and I went to the live presentation on this. It truly was a conversation where you could see some movement. I wouldn't call it dialogue, since I didn't see either party completely lay down their belief systems, but it sure was a lot better than the monologue we usually hear on this topic. I've studied 'dialogue' for forty years and have watched it wither in our society as we polarize. This program is such big work. I used to believe things could be fixed, that static beliefs were healthy and that someday I'd have the answers. I now know that nothing's fixed, every thing is moving. It's what makes the world go round and why circles don't have sides. I know that the more rigid I become in my beliefs and answers the harder I break when deeper mystery shatters them. Thanks to all for the courage to open to the mystery, to that which is bigger than us. As Fances said, to 'common grapple', to let down our advocacy and ask more questions, to help one another go deeper. I would suggest a period of silent meditation next time, before words are spoken. There we can meet before the separating influences of language and thought could arise. It really seems to help the listening/dialogue process, beyond our notions of 'right knowing' and 'wrong knowing'.
This is all very postmodern
This is all very postmodern of you Randy. It is great to dialogue instead of shouting at each other, which is becoming a big part of our culture especially in online forums. Great. But are you seriously suggesting that knowing right or wrong is a waste of time merely because we have an infinite number of opinions in this world? Things ARE right or wrong or neutral, irrespective of our opinions. For facts that are morally inconsequential like 'does China exist?' we don't dispute them. I can easily go to China & find that out for myself. Knowledge is the key to right or wrong opinions. Can we be deceived? Of course, and we unfortunately usually are. But to act like it's more important to discuss than get it right is sloppy thinking that does have consequences. If the legislators who turned the tide on slavery had spent 100 years talking about it, that would have been 100 years of people being enslaved when they should not have been. And to argue that moral issues are all relative is false. That would mean that before slavery was abolished it was moral. There IS right and wrong in an absolute sense even though that concept is increasingly unfashionable.
One brief positive insight:
One brief positive insight: Frances Kissling explained how generally women have an abortion not because they feel they have the right of choice, but because they feel they have *no other choice* due to their social or economic situation. Though I do not support the outcome, we should understand and address those other real challenges.
And a disagreement: while David Gushee said that abortion let's men "off the hook" and Frances Kissling says that men are off the hook either way - implying that men are socially enabled to not be responsible for sexual decisions, conception, pregnancy, birth, or children... on the contrary, men are "ON the hook" and responsible for every child born - to fully embrace fathering that child (if the mother allows) - and he is "on the hook" and responsible for the outcome of every abortion. because regardless of how it occurs, he is as much a partner in that outcome as he was in the cause. If only all men took this responsibility. Unfortunately, Mr. Gushee nodded as Ms. Kissling made her point. They were disagreeing about grades of an erroneous point. I'm personally tired of men being portrayed and excused as being not responsible. In fact, according to Jesus' teaching, God will hold men *more* responsible.
The picture of the two people
The picture of the two people above look like Jesus being tempted in the desert. And for good reason. Ms. Kissling has for years confused Catholics about the teaching of the Church, a real dis-service.
The idea of a nuance on this
The idea of a nuance on this issue can be overstated. It's like the slavery issue in the 1800s, either you thought a white man could own a black man, or you didn't. There's not much of a nuanced position available. So here, one can civilly state one's views, and identify geniune concerns of the other side, but I don't see much room for a nuanced position.
Not much to say here, but
Not much to say here, but thank you for a refreshing (and civil!) conversation on such a divisive issue. I loved Ms. Kissling's reference to Thich Nhat Hanh: "In true dialogue, both sides are willing to change." So true, and a rare sentiment in our political climate.
Murder is wrong, end of story
Murder is wrong, end of story. There should be no dialog for this.
Could you elaborate on this?
Could you elaborate on this?
The wealthy will always have
The wealthy will always have access to safe abortion. Making it illegal, pushes it underground, putting the less advantaged at high risk.
Wow I am so grateful for
Wow I am so grateful for Frances' insights about how this pivots on sexual behavior, how this isn't simply about a woman's right to choose, and yet we choose, I chose, not to be a mother (until I became in middle age an adoptive mom) and that is a legitimate decision that deserves protection.. The conversation opens up new space and illustrates how hard it will be to move forward.
"People don't read what you
"People don't read what you write, they read what they think what you are saying".
"We don't see the world as it is, we see it as we are"
I am not what I think I am
I am not what you think I am
I am what I think you think I am
Well, I made you take time to look at what I saw and when you took time to really notice my flower you hung all your own associations with flowers as if I think and see what you think and see of the flower - and I don't. ~Georgia O'Keefe 1960
An artist cannot and does not prepare for a certain response. He does not consider the response but simply follows his inspiration. Works of art are not purposely conceived. The response depends on the condition of the observer. ~Agnes Martin
Conversation at its best is an art. You guys were trying to get Apollo and Dionysus to dance together...and that ain't easy. I admire the effort.
What I find missing in conversations like this is the reptilian factor. The conversations are carried on as if the prefrontal cortex (the conscious self) rules the unconscious self. And so I am sure many people listen to such conversations thinking we can think our way out of this situation. Sex falls right after food and just before plunder on the habit scale. The elephant in the room is the population explosion.
That tirade behind me - I deeply respect the attitude of your conversation. Ms Kissling, I loved your quotes and hope the others make a connection. We all live an illusion. That is a humbling statement and we all need humility.
...and you can watch all of
...and you can watch all of Francis Kissling's credibility as a moderate evaporate precisely 30 minutes into the interview:
"Men are off the hook. Men are off the hook if you have a baby, and they are off the hook if you have an abortion."
Sweep aside the millions of men who are suffering under unfair child support laws. Ignore all those who cannot have a relationship with their children because visitation laws are not enforced. Forget about the approximately 25% who are not even the father of the child they are supporting.
Avert your eyes from all the men who wanted to be a father but were denied the opportunity because they have no choice in whether to carry their child to term. Try not to think about all the men who's children are adopted away by the mothers secretly and/or against their will.
Do these things, live in willful ignorance, and you can continue to claim that men are "off the hook". But its shameful that Ms. Kissling made that statement. It's shameful that she was not challenged on it. And it is shameful that she is put forth as representing a moderate opinion.
I'm woefully ignorant of your
I'm woefully ignorant of your point of view. Be assured I did read your comments and respect there are perspectives such as yours worthy of consideration. I get that you are seeking a middle ground and hope others will consider you worthy of reaching that destination. Good luck my friend and for all those with an intent of fair compromise. I suggest Michael Sandel's Harvard University public course called Justice if you have not already examined it.
I am extremely grateful for
I am extremely grateful for the Civil Conversations project (and On Being in general). Dr. Gushee was my ethics professor at seminary and the man you heard in this conversation is the man I know and respect. I don't always agree with his positions, but I always respect his way of arriving at them and of presenting them. After all these years, I learned new things about his "whole life" perspective. Bravo, On Being - keep up the good work.
After listening to the show,
After listening to the show, I was concerned by the holes in this nonetheless admirable conversation, that I listened to the unedited version. That was a bit more reassuring. Ms. Kissling's discussion about the pain of abortion (before, after and during), her mention of the broader issues of killing including capital punishments, etc. I would strongly urge a second show with some of the cut sections which are hugely important and respond to some of the comments people have posted. I did note that Mr. Gushee did not include abolishment of the death penalty in his discussion of the absolute sanctity of life nor a discussion of war. His position does not hold much water without these. Ms. Kissling acknowledged these tensions and I was grateful for that.
It is also very difficult to divorce the subject of abortion from political and economic discussions. Who is going to provide healthcare, education, and life-long care and support for those disabled fetuses that according to Mr Gushee have an absolute right to life?
Thanks to all for this compelling conversation- one I hope is just the first but not the last.
It is a mark of how civilized
It is a mark of how civilized a society is in how it takes care of it's vulnerable members. Economics can hardly be a prerequisite to the right to live. Where are you going to draw the line on that one?
For ten thousand years,
For ten thousand years, humans have acted like predators after learning by watching other animals, to be carnivorous. FOr ten thousand years, since the shift to "domesticating" (neat euphamism for enslave for human purpose, anthropocentrism) wild animals and learning the use of force, subjugation, and turning living beings into human property, our species has been plagued by it's own superiority complex. This very superiority complex, what we in animal rights call "speciesism," has paved the way into human culture and manifested into diseases of the heart. One symptom of this heart disease is a tragic lack of nurturing our young to live in harmony with nature and animals. We actually teach and nurture a DEVALUATION of LIFE. When the ideologies of a species contain accepted use of force over others, as we see everywhere in animal abuse and exploitation, (see all the web sights with pictures and video's of current animal torture in labs, farming, fur, medical research)it is also plagued by the same behaviors in its own midst. With years of abortion rhetoric, we NEVER quite get to the bottom of human sexual desire, and how it is affected by so many things.
Beyond abortion, if humans are ready to grapple with the history of our devaluation of LIFE, even fetal life, we MUST be willing to look at our own cultural failures to raise children who DO Value life, all life. When children grow up with no value of their own bodies,( which our food system does NOT allow or we'd be vegan and healthy inside and out) and sense of responsibility to protect nature( themselves as part of the connected ecology)everything becomes about self satisfaction and external gratification. YES, sex IS USED to fill a void that was created very young. Sex IS USED for validation, where there was a hole from early on. Why would we grapple with our failures? Why would we admit that "health care" has NOTHING to do with diagnostics or treatment but IS everything about nourishment that keeps organs healthy? These issues cause us to look in the societal mirror and understand how retarded human hearts have become in a selfish, me oritented, consumer cult. Want fewer or no abortions, teach that life is sacred, our bodies are sacred, nature is sacred, and we are to protect all aspects, not just economic interests. So frustrating to hear the same discussions. Teach reverence for life, all life. Teach children to love themselves and the natural world, NOT that it is a commodity for consumption. Read The World Peace Diet, as it explains WHY we have these issues instead of skirting them with thousands of words that go nowhere...
Reflection By: Ali Gustafson
Reflection By: Ali Gustafson
This was a discussion between David Gushee, a Christian ethicist and Frances Kissling, a lifetime reproductive rights activist. It covered the things that people usually avoid talking about when abortion is the topic.
Abortion is a topic that we will never arrive at a universal set of convictions. Many people (60 %, both democrats and republicans) do not feel completely for or against this topic and have mixed opinions, others have their mind made up completely in one direction. This topic is a human problem that deals with relationships, sexuality, relationships, economics, etc.. It is seen as a culture war because people are taking an impoverished approach to an intimate civilizational question.
The conversation starts with David. He was raised Catholic and is now a Baptist minister. He became pro-life when he entered into the evangelical world, where there is a holistic ethic of life. Christians at taught to believe that every life matters and should be protected, and a fetus is a life from the time of conception.
Frances, was also raised catholic, and actually became a nun, but then left the convent. Her position as pro-choice is due to her own life experiences. Her mother was 17 years old and unmarried when Frances was conceived. Her mother was bitter and damaged from parenthood and this carried over into her children's lives.
This is a topic I usually choose to avoid, because I agree that this is an unsolvable problem, because there are too many factors that lead people to make drastic decisions when it comes to abortions. I am apart of the 60% that fall in the middle ground on this topic. I really enjoyed this discussion, as they were able to have it civilly and both admitted to seeing certain parts of the others point of view.
They approached this discussion with the thought that, you "need to be vulnerable in front of those whom you passionately disagree with." David and Frances both agreed that procreation is sacred, and that both men and women needed to be more responsible. Frances stated that, "making babies is a serious business and sex is a pleasurable and meaningful activity with social consequences." They felt that is society focused more on increasing health care and contraceptive use, if more attention was focused on caring for women during their 9-months of pregnancy, adoption rates may increase while abortion numbers would probably decrease.
I was able to relate to both participants during this discussion, and thoroughly enjoyed the entire thing. The question remains, what is the best thing to do in difficult situations? It is a question that will never have a definite answer, but as long as people are able to open their minds and see the other side, worthwhile answers can be found, and certain decisions might be made a bit easier.
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Transcript for Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Pro-Dialog with David Gushee and Frances Kissling
Reflection By: Ali Gustafson
This was a discussion between David Gushee, a Christian ethicist and Frances Kissling, a lifetime reproductive rights activist. It covered the things that people usually avoid talking about when abortion is the topic.
Abortion is a topic that we will never arrive at a universal set of convictions. Many people (60 %, both democrats and republicans) do not feel completely for or against this topic and have mixed opinions, others have their mind made up completely in one direction. This topic is a human problem that deals with relationships, sexuality, relationships, economics, etc.. It is seen as a culture war because people are taking an impoverished approach to an intimate civilizational question.
The conversation starts with David. He was raised Catholic and is now a Baptist minister. He became pro-life when he entered into the evangelical world, where there is a holistic ethic of life. Christians at taught to believe that every life matters and should be protected, and a fetus is a life from the time of conception.
Frances, was also raised catholic, and actually became a nun, but then left the convent. Her position as pro-choice is due to her own life experiences. Her mother was 17 years old and unmarried when Frances was conceived. Her mother was bitter and damaged from parenthood and this carried over into her children's lives.
This is a topic I usually choose to avoid, because I agree that this is an unsolvable problem, because there are too many factors that lead people to make drastic decisions when it comes to abortions. I am apart of the 60% that fall in the middle ground on this topic. I really enjoyed this discussion, as they were able to have it civilly and both admitted to seeing certain parts of the others point of view.
They approached this discussion with the thought that, you "need to be vulnerable in front of those whom you passionately disagree with." David and Frances both agreed that procreation is sacred, and that both men and women needed to be more responsible. Frances stated that, "making babies is a serious business and sex is a pleasurable and meaningful activity with social consequences." They felt that is society focused more on increasing health care and contraceptive use, if more attention was focused on caring for women during their 9-months of pregnancy, adoption rates may increase while abortion numbers would probably decrease.
I was able to relate to both participants during this discussion, and thoroughly enjoyed the entire thing. The question remains, what is the best thing to do in difficult situations? It is a question that will never have a definite answer, but as long as people are able to open their minds and see the other side, worthwhile answers can be found, and certain decisions might be made a bit easier.
If you are Pro- Abortion,
If you are Pro- Abortion, then you must be obligated to TEACH the children in health class exactly WHAT IT IS. I went to a mortuary in 8th grade for a field trip; I saw the embalming tools. I learned about death. Make it mandatory - include a trip to an abortion clinic so these children are armed with the TRUTH; show them the tools, show them pictures, make them truly aware of what takes place. Teach them that the destruction/killing/ ABORTION of an embryo...fetus...baby...human...A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A ROSE...is more than just a word. If my observations are correct, these children (like myself and my friends were) are so disconnected from the reality of the word. Give them a TRUE choice.
I read a written radio show
I read a written radio show about abortion, featuring David Gushee, he is a Christian ethicist, and Frances Kissling, a longtime reproductive rights activist. They each told their stories, how they came to be where they are, and spoke about how it shouldn't be a subject that is sliced neatly into two groups. And it really isn't.
They both were understanding to each others chosen sides, they didn't argue that 'life is life and it should be holy' or 'it's the woman's choice leave it alone'. They actually talked about how it's not a subject that splits into two groups, how there are many that believe both sides are right, in their own way. Being in poverty is a really big reason many women get abortions; they don't have the money or resources to take care of a child.
Kissling did not blame men, but defined them as being constantly 'off the hook', whether they marry the girl or tell them to get an abortion. And Gushee agreed that in this society it shouldn't be because women are in poverty that they can't take care of the child. That is where the man should step in and help, no matter if he does marry her or helps her keep the child alive.
They also think that having two sides isn't helping this subject come to a close any faster. Legal or illegal there has a be a compromise between the groups, it can't go on being so deeply two sided. Many of the people on either side only know half of what they should to be pro-choice or pro-life. And then there is everyone else who believes in both sides, and some who think that there should be limits to abortion. Not as in how many one woman can have, but as in how long in the pregnancy they are before it's too late to have an abortion.
What I have taken from this talk between the two is that the divide between the groups is deep, yet shallow. There are points on either side that are valid, but they need to come together to make better choices. Women are in the middle of the controversy, and they should be allowed to do as they wish. If they had more power it wouldn't be an issue, if men would take up responsibility it wouldn't be an issue. Women are allowed to have the choice, but that is exactly what it should be. A choice.
I understand both points of
I understand both points of view, teenage girls who become pregnant wish him his life back to this event, but it is only fair to pay the baby a mistake made by the mother.
This moral dilemma has a very wide line, when will a zygote have the same rights as a human being born?
I agree that different points
I agree that different points of views, but this is basicly a moral dilemma. A zygote most likely will not have the same rights unfortunately ...
The idea of a nuance on this
The idea of a nuance on this issue can be overstated. It's like the slavery issue in the 1800s, either you thought a white man could own a black man, or you didn't. There's not much of a nuanced position available. So here, one can civilly state one's views, and identify geniune concerns of the other side, but I don't see much room for a nuanced position.
Pro-Life, Pro-Choice
Pro-Life, Pro-Choice
Before available birth control unwanted pregnancies could result in babies being given to programs, such as existed when I was growing up, St. Mary's Home for unwed mothers. Many such program exists today.
The nature of forced marriage in unwanted pregnancy situations is not as prevalant as in past years, in fact most single "mothers" have one or two children and remain unmarrried.
What is disturbing in the "pro-life" "pro-choice' debate is the alarming use of abortion by women who have birth control available to them, fail to use it, and who then resort to abortions.
The examples of other women, with less choice, poverty level economic circumstance, and rape is predominately used to advance a pro abortion platform. Research on these uses of abortion don't support the more better off women relying in abortion as birth control. I could be wrong and supported research could be limited and outdated?
Abortion will always be a dividing issue, but the trends and uses of it should be presented in any discussion.
The morality of abortion
The morality of abortion needs to be addressed more clearly, needs to deal more directly with issues like personhood, like pain to the fetus. With God (or no God), with whether we are the product of chance or not. This can be done. I did it for myself and have been comfortable and unconfined with my own conclusions ever since. It took roughly 20 years to get there, but now I am not only unconflicted, I am spiritually inspired by my 100% pro-choice and 100% pro-life position. And I have been direct. I have not "compromised." For me, now, it is very clear, very comfortable. I've even written a dlalog explaining it: "The Sureness of Heaven." It has continued to be edited over the years and I think it's helped some people.
I would like to see religious
I would like to see religious leaders promote the understanding that contraception prevents abortion.
Fascinating discussion --
Fascinating discussion -- though the interest for me was more in what Gushee and Kissling were willing to state from the beginning than in the actual dialog, which frankly didn't seem to confront any serious disagreements head on. Gushee in particular seemed unwilling to explore his areas of disagreement with Kissling. Does he think abortion is murder, or doesn't he?
Despite the fact that this dialog was intended as an encounter between two people who disagree deeply, in reality the "civil" character of the conversation seemed to have a firm foundation in the belief of everyone involved that the pro-life movement has badly damaged politics in this country. That's a truth I also consider axiomatic. But it's hardly a real dialog when everyone's already-agreed-upon enemy never shows his face.
"There is no safe space."
"There is no safe space." says Frances, tellingly. A womb is definitely not a safe space.
I wish she'd have respected Krista's offer of a moment without fear. Rather, her fear overran David, I found.
This was a wonderful episode.
This was a wonderful episode. It made my Sunday morning much brighter. Thank you all for the thoughtfulness and wisdom that was expressed.
Great abortion discussion.
Great abortion discussion. More intelligent than most exchanges, but the issue is still irreconcilable. Either a woman has a right to control her body, or not. The Supreme Court got it exactly right. Early in a pregnancy [first trimester], abortion on demand is a woman's right, no questions asked. Midway into a pregnancy [second trimester], let each State's voters decide through their elected representatives. Near term [third trimester], problematic given the rights of the mostly developed fetus.
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AT&T iPhone MMS Carrier Update Now Available via iTunes!
The AT&T Carrier Update (v5.5), required to enable MMS on the iPhone is now live and can be installed via iTunes. Just plug in your iPhone and if it doesn't pop up immediately, hit the check for updates button.
Note: You need to be running iPhone 3.1, so if you haven't updated your firmware yet, do that first.
Once loaded, reboot your iPhone and then head on over the Messages app and you should see the new (for the USA!) camera icon on the bottom left.
For more info, see Apple's support article on the matter, and TiPb's iPhone MMS Walkthrough from earlier today!
Then let us know how iPhone MMS on AT&T is working for you!
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It's working perfect here in Hawaii
So far working here in Ohio...at least it says they have sent!
So if we have a JailBroken iPhone with OS 3.0.1 we are pretty much left without MMS? This is BS!!! I have been waiting ALL morning
I guess I'm gonna have to give up my jailbreak, gosh darn.
Mine works great. Interesting - the hacked carrier fail (file) was 5.1, now I see ATT 5.5. At any rate, there doesn't seem to be a difference in processing and sending/receiving speed.
It's cool! and finally here! Hopefully nothing will crash.
Still waiting.
Oh great. Someone just mooned me via MMS. I was wondering when some crazy crap like that would happen.
Ah, friends.
ha, about a month ago i called att and had txt's blocked completely from my phone. i guess i will never see the elusive iphone mms
my wifes phone no issue but mine has an error anyone seen this error with update for MMS on iPhone? http://pic.gd/15d840
Updated carrier file but cannot send MMS here in SE Okla. Could be that i'm roaming.
Prince.....I have a jailbroken phone and was able to get the carrier update without getting 3.1...mms works great!
Crazy, How for two years we all wanted mms, and it took less than 30 secounds to get and installed what a joke ATT and Apple! But Im happy to finally have it.
Brian, do u see anything different in the carrier 5.1 than in the 5.5, i have 5.1
Works here in SoCal. Awesome!
After you update carrier file you have to reset your phone, at first my mms wasnt working, then i reset n now im good ...... Central , nj
now why would you go and do a crazy thing like that?
I feel like my phone is complete.
Not yet. I got the hacked file yesterday and today I updated again through itunes. I've not seen anything except when you look under settings>general>network the MMS settings aren't there anymore. BUT the MMS options are still there under settings>messages.
I can't recieve mms
Yea view my message almost cost my phone its life a good few times ... Lol
Apple, You piece of monkey sh!t. Just because I don't wont your crappy new firmware 3.1(the iPhone comas and poor battery life), does that give you the right to keep a carrier update from me. The rest of the world didn't need to upgrade to have this function. They have had it for months now! I will be supporting the DEV TEAM because Apple abviously doesn't care about us the way they do!!! Eff you @ssholes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't want to upgrade to 3.1 here is the Apple link to the carrier file 5.5: http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/Ca...
But I can send it
MMS is working good in NYC.
In atl it installed fine but I lost all text and mail sending. Anyone else with this problem?
MMS in Medford or
the new carrier file can be used while your wifi is on, something that 5.1 didnt allow me to do.
Chris try resetting your phone.
Can or can't I get mms on 3.0.1??? Somebody please?!?
@Johan I keep getting that too!!!
okay maybe im just slow... but after the update i was goign through the settings on my 3gs and in the ipod settings it gave me an option to turn "tv out" on or off... since when can the iphone do tv out?
@BigMeat: You can't get it on 3.0.1 but I posted a link to the 5.5 carrier file from Apple. You will just to follow the walkthroughs available that let us update to the hacked 5.1 file.
Can you have mms for a iPhone 2g?
I sent mms to test it to a friend. I sent a pic with a subject and some text...nothing happened. One with text and the pic...again, nothing. just sent it as a picture with no text and he got it...anyone else having this problem? i haven't tried it with text again cause he busy.
It eliminates the old option that use to be in General > Networks. Now it's just MMS On/Off in General > Messaging. Workings flawlessly in Michigan. I've sent and received to a person on At&t and T-Mobile.
No issues yet
I can't send or get MMS! was able to update it tho!
@epphillps Whats the difference between 5.1 and 5.5, i have 5.1, should i get 5.5??
STOP STOP STOP with the "it works here" posts. Please.
Post if it DOESN'T work.
Tennessee & working just fine :)
@epphllps: worked great! Thanks. I remain jailbroken with carrier 5.5! Shift-click "Update" to load the file...
@ Christine: I had the 5.1 and updated to the 5.5 on 3.0 and it takes away you ability to edit the APN settings(no longer need to of course) and other than it being the official carrier file, nothing I know of yet.
Guys, if your on 3.0 or 3.0.1. You might wanna hold off on trying to load a downloaded carrier file and load threw shift-restore method!! Apple is signing this also. Just like the ECID. It may not go as planned when you try to load it!! WAIT!!
I can send MMS but I am not receiving any. I had a friend try and send me a picture 3 times and I still haven't gotten it.
@russ, all ipods can do that...don't know if that setting was already there,
I'm in Pensacola, FL... iPhone 3G updated fine, but not working. Turned MMS on and rebooted my phone, but errors out when trying to send any form of MMS... gets the little red "!" icon. Also tried it on both WiFi and 3G. Same result. Hoping AT&T is just bogged down and it will fix itself soon.
@Johan, figures it out, I had to uninstall the custom carrier logo, if you have that installed get rid of it, it worked for me
LOL the ATT facebook site is getting flooded with people complaining about the 3.1 upgrade because they won't be able to tether or jailbreak. Someone needs to post that carrier file link on that page!
Got it...works...congratulations AT&T...now where's the tethering which is what I'd really rather have!
Updated to carrier to 5.5 but won't send pic messages only SMS
I'm gonna miss google voice but when I get home I'm updating to 3.1
It's working awesome!!! Already sent a lot of them already!
@Kevin Getting the same thing! If yours changes let me know how to fix it!
Is anyone else having problems receiving MMS? The person trying to send me the MMS is on Verizon if that makes a difference.
It's working good. Love it!
@Brian just reset and mail works but text seem to send but sill can't receive. Is this common?
@epphllps: where can I find the walkthrough for the hacked file. I downloaded the file & tried SHIFT & UPDATE but that doesnt work.
@jay. I can't anymore since I run the 3.1 on top of the old jailbreak. I probably have to do a full restore. My battery percentage is showing as well. Hmmm
Is anyone else having problems receiving MMS? The person trying to send me the MMS is on Verizon if that makes a difference.
It does make a difference. It can sometimes take as much as 12 hours for inter-carrier SMS/MMS. So test with another ATT user first.
In CT. Isntalled the file 5.5. When people sen dme MMS I get the viewmymessages.com thing and it i try to end i get a red !. WHat is going on?
So lets get the facts straighten out here... If you have 3.0 / 3.0.1 you can't get MMS regardless if you update the carrier file? Someone please confirm this.. I believe the cost benefit for MMS / Jailbreak is not worth it. :D
Why is that people think the iphone is behind by not doing MMS? When it's other phones that can do MMS. But are wwwaaaayyyyyy behind cause they cant do email!!!!! The first MMS was sent out in 2002. The first email in the mid 1960's!!!! Somebody please explain.
MMS iPhone live here in Jersey, but sending a pic is damn slow.
really dont use this, but still glad its finally here :)
working here in Lee's Summit, MO
working great here in boston :)
@icebike hmmm the ones I sent to my friend on Verizon were received in about 5 minutes. I can't test sending to any friends with iPhones since I don't know anyone who had a chance to update yet.
i'm lovingggggggggg it
I can't wait to get home today to get my mms .
Tried the 5.5 carrier file on a jailbroken 3.0 3GS. Same thing as before.. red exclamation.. grrr.
I have it and it works. (NYC) What do we #@@#@# about next? No tethering??
Anyone getting this to work while still running their 3gs at 3.0?
I have 3.1 on my iPhone, I just rebotted and still have 5.1. Am I spossed to reload something off of iTunes? Help please, anyone, I'm crying hear, I want to join in the fun.
Works here in the Lawrence,KS/Kansas City Area yeah :)
@NEA Arkansas Boy download the carrier update from iTunes then reboot iphone.
3.1 can be hacked FYI
Just be smart and get a mac !
I'm not jailbroken anymore but I am running benm's tethering hack.. any chance this could be screwing with the update? anyone else that my be using this hack confirm this?
Works iPhone to iPhone but cannot receive pic messages from VZW users. WTF?!?!?
I got MMS on Jailbreak 3.0.1 working fine.
Now, I'll never use it. :lol:
I'm in San Diego and my pics did get delivered just fine after I updated the carrier file. By the way my iPhone is not jailbroken. I'm using the latest iTunes and 3.1. Thanks iPhone Blog. You are far more informative than AT&T. I was waiting on the text from AT&T giving me the green light. It hasn't came yet and who knows how long I would've waited. Thanks for the info Rene Ritchie! Very much appreciated!
Great. Now what about tethering?....
also if someone has updated and you still can't text pics audio videos etc.. turn ur phone off and restart it.. worked for me
Here's how to install the update WITHOUT installing 3.1 (for you naughty jailbreakers)http://brandongoodman.posterous.com/updating-iphone-atandt-carrier-setti...
Thanks a bunch freiteez!
Not working here in CO.
"I sent mms to test it to a friend. I sent a pic with a subject and some text…nothing happened. One with text and the pic…again, nothing. just sent it as a picture with no text and he got it…anyone else having this problem? i haven't tried it with text again cause he busy."
im having the same problem.. i knew it was going to be a flaw some more
Quick question.. has anyone here recieved a MMS from a non iphone user as of yet?
@daje, is your friend with AT&T?
@Omar, nope. I've had several try to send me a pic message from other carriers and they aren't coming thru. SUCKS!
i can't send a pic msg to my cousin who has att but not an iphone and i can't receive them from her either yet. my friend just sent me a pic msg from her verizon phone and i got it.
@Pholey22.. thank for the reply.. this totally SUCKS!!! its like 1 way fun
@Omar, I know what gives?!? Maybe they are having overload problems....as we expected. Sometime next week I'll have 15 pic messages finally come thru.
I got pics from verizon phones, AT&T phones, and tmobile mines works
@Pholey22, lol your prob right.
@Bre bre, yur lucky!! Not able to receive pic message from anyone who doesn't have an iPhone. Tried two different VZW phones and notta.
OK so does anyone else have the option for tethering under the network setting
a big Thank yo. For the people that have provided links for people trying to upgrade their mms without losin. 3.0/3.01 jailbreak!
I'm on 3.0 and there is no way I'm upgrading to 3.1 and give up everything I have for something that should of came on the original 2g phone back in 2007.
I will try this and update the forum when I get home from work.
Long live JAILBREAK!!!
A big thank you****
I have sent and received picture messages. BUT, I had my g/f send me a mms from her verizon phone and it still hasnt come thru (about 1 hour later) so I am not quiet sure why that pic message is slow but the other ones are coming thru? Any suggestions?
@Brandon Goodman thanks for the link! I got to the shift updates part in iTunes but can't get it to let me browse for the new profile. Just keeps telling me currect v. of itunes is up to date & then tries to get me to update to 3.1. Any help on this?
Around 2pm EST, I checked for an update and was able to load 5.5 After the reboot, MMS functionality is present. NE PA.
Tested sending picture and text to Verizon phone. Arrives almost immediately.
Tested receiving picture and text to Verizon phone. Huge delay. (over 10 minutes or more)
Tested sending to picture and text to AT&T non-iPhone. So far not recieved.
Tested sending video to AT&T non-iPhone. Only audio is received.
Download the carrier file from another website, hold alt and click update in iTunes, load carrier file. Won't require upgrade to 3.1 if you're jailbroken. If you have a 3G then 3.1 has already been jailbroken. Just google around people these answers exist and writing something in all caps on a swamped message board will do you no good. Use your brain if you have one.
3Gs. 3.1 Carrier 5.5 in Northeastern PA.
I have 3.0 os (not jailbroken) and did the 5.5 carrier file update and everything works great, MMS out and in to all carriers....
For anyone that wants to remain on 3.0, or 3.01 but still install the carrier update:
-Download the ipcc from here: http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/Ca...
-Install it with option/shift update. I'm still on 3.0 (3GS) and it worked fine.
i already send 60 mms pic's lol att
Yep Guys it does work on 3.0 on a 3G S!!
Works in south Georgia. Finally after 2 years I can get mms!!!
Can send pics and r recieved but video is sent but no body recieved it. Not on AT&T or other networks. I can recieve video but no one recieved it from me. Have most current update no jailbreak or hack on phone 3gs 32g
Here is how to get it working without using 3.1
Brandon Goodman & Jesh are correct...Thank You!! the install of carrier 5.5 while being able to stay JB on 3.0.1 is PRICELESS!! i can keep my iPhone working as it was and not have to lose my JB just to get MMS. S W E E T!!
I have a JB 3G with 3.0. I did the 5.5 update using the update and I'm working and good to go. Tried and succeeded with Verizon and Sprint. Everything works fine. Took a little longer to send, but I'm on Edge in the northwoods of MN.
So I updated to 5.5 from 5.1, and now my music is gone. It says I have 0 songs, but the amount of space they take up on my phone is still there. When I plug my iPhone into iTunes, the songs show up under "music". Any suggestions outside of a full restore? Please email me at firstname.lastname@example.com if you have a suggestion. Thanks!
I'm jailbroken and have had MMS for over a month now. I'm on an iPhone 3g running 3.0.1
just go to mms.iphoneaero.us and follow his tutorial. All you need is a ATT non-iPhone and to be able to access your ATT account online.....
Doesn't work in Maine
Video is confirmed sent but other phones do not get it. Sent to 2 tmoble 3 AT&T 1 sprint 1 boost nobody got the videos tried 4 different videos and 1 animation. Nothing
Cannot receive pic message from VZW when on Edge. Came thru on 3G. Checking to see if wifi is blocking it too. Had to turn it off to get my first non-iPhone pic message.
MMS had been working for me just fine since wednesday. 3.0 firmware, jailbroken, carrier file 5.2. As of today, it has stopped working. I've updated to the carrier file 5.5 and it's still not working. AT&T can die
hey i got an iphone 3gs 32gb factory and legally unlocked that i bought in hong kong which i'm using for tmobile. i have the 3.1 firmware on my iphone, once i sync.......would it let me upgrade for the mms or do you think itunes has predetermined that my carrier is not at&t and wouldn't receive the upgrade?........... thanks
Wifi not blocking. Just tested...
Been getting lots of time-outs sending pic MMS's in Detroit area... red explanation marks... if I keep retrying they eventually go through.
Do half of you actually read the posts before you type or ask a question? I just read through every comment and most of your answers are a few posts prior. READ PEOPLE!!!
i have to recant my last statement. my JB 3.0.1 3GS is NOT working. i see the options in Message settings for MMS, but when trying to send pic i get the red exclamation. F**K! i guess i'll just wait. i'm not willing to lose the functionality of my JB iPhone just to send a pic. i'll email the pic or post it on my blog. until then...
MMS's clogged up here in New Orleans, LA
I can send pics but if any sends me a pic it says One or more of the message components have been deleted by MMS Adaptation. Either the message was too large or the components were unsuitable for your terminal.
anyone getting this error message?
@EAPR To fix the music not showing up problem, add, delete, or rename a song in itunes and then resync.
Just upgraded, not getting any mms's. my hacked carrier file worked just fine this morning and now the real one wont work great
MMS working in S.Cali awesome!!!!!!
i cant update my carrier settings..ikeep getting an error!!! someone help!
Sent pics to Sprint,verizon and tmobile. took less then 10 seconds to send.
I am jailbroken on 3.0.1 with carrier 5.5
Got the update in NC on my prepaid. I get the red exclamation mark to resend everytime and I don't recieve MMS sent to me!!! Anyone else?
in eastern PA btw
i got the red exclamation with the first pic i tried to send. I retried to send it two minutes later and it worked
This may sound strange but the 5.5 carrier file update has fixed my battery life issues, I have had the update installed now for several hours on a full charged battery and my battery is still on 99% after sending MMS messages and browsing the web, before the update I could literally watch my battery drain, now that's better news than the MMS to me...
Working here in Delaware with no issues :)
Not working in Detroit, I can send them but the other party don't get it and when they send one to me I don't get it, I really can't beleive the network is down allready!!! BS
I just got an MMS that a friend sent 9:30 last night.
got it, installed, rebooted, but it isn't working. I goes to send, then hangs up at about 80% for a long while, then I get the red exclamatin points. Full 3G signal. In SoCal.
I had 5.1 for a couple weeks now, worked great
When I added one more than 1 person to a text it turned into a GROUP MMS, kind of like a chatroom between more than 3 or more people...Names showed up in smaller letters and you were able to send texts between a bunch of people in the same box. Now that i updated to 5.5, the option is gone
Same thing as Jeremy above......just hangs around 80-90% then rejects couple minutes later
Got the carrier 5.5 files.
I was getting the red exclamation each time I tried to send. The sending bar would nearly complete then the mms would fail. Now it's working. Looks like there are some issues.
cant update carrier settings as well pls help!!!
i'm getting the same thing as Jeremy and Pete. i have tried to send a message to ppl on att, verizon, and sprint and they all did the same thing...
Oklahoma City, 3:35 pm Central time. Downloaded the update, rebooted phone, tried to send picture, failed with red exclamation point. Many retries, still failure.
@mark082 @Jeremy @ Pete same here in CT
Reset your network settings then try again.
I downloaded and updated and restarted my phone but I still can't send pic messages. There is an error every time. I can receive them but they won't send.
Works perfectly for me!!! About time!... Pictures, videos, voice memos, and contacts have been sent and recieved all morning since I got the update, and it has worked flawlessly. The first time I used it messages came through kinda slow. Since then they have been very fast.
The 1st time mine hung up at 80% too, but I did tried a 2nd time and it went through, The only dif is that I did not have any txt, I did have a subject.
Keep getting timeouts (red explanation marks) sending pics... I hate AT&T. They either need to fix their sh.it or put a hault to new customers. It is obvious they are overloaded and cannot handle any more customers. I want a refund. This should be illegal.
There is a workaround for this if you are on 3.0.1 You can install the 5.5 Updated Carrier file manually. Working fine here with Itunes 9.
Gettin nothing in Dover, Delaware yet... Raged! LOL
Same as 139, 141, & 146. I sent a couple right when I got it at noon and it worked fine.
Minneapolis, MN.
Servers crashing down???
I havent even been able to update... says its the current version still >_<
Im annoyed now. I want that GROUP messaging back
Red errors here in Ohio!!! Grrrrrr
So got home, updated, waited a while to try. Just tried and it still says sending...Well now says it failed. Indiana here
Works for verizon and AT&T , takes forever no us cell though
It's 5pm on the East Coast and 4 in Central, plus it's a Friday. People are getting off work, going home, updating and sending MMS. There's a good chance the server is going down or running really slow. From now till about 8pm EST will be the busy time. If you haven't updated yet I would wait. I haven't b/c of this thiing called work and they tend to frown when you miss time. So I'll be waiting till later tonight.
Message send failure every time but it worked earlier today
AT&T sucks... This still don't work... Months of waiting and it sill don't work... Blackberry bold 2 here I come..
Phoenix area here. MMS worked a few times around noon. Now all MMS sent are failing. I believe their servers are overloaded. For some reason.... I'm not surprised.
I have a little bit of water damage, so I cannot turn off my iphone (power button absolutely does not do anything). I guess I will have to restore to get it to power cycle. Oh well...
Can only send and receive from other iphones in Missouri. If they are out of network or a different phone no go jo!
i had to restore, then bam got the "hey, mms is coming" text and updated and it works
If you iphone is jailbroken or unlocked you will get a network error, I wiped my phone then it updated no problem still cannot send in Boise,ID
Still isn't working in Cleveland Ohio. Updated carrier file, still getting red exclamation point saying message send failure. hmm. i hate at&t.
Had done all updates, still wasn't able to send or receive MMS, even though my parents' phones were able to. Kept getting the red exclamation. After an hour on the phone with AT&T, they found out that, for some reason, the system was recognizing my phone as a 2G still. They corrected the issue on their end...all is working great now! Just figured I'd give this info in case anyone else had done the updates and still couldn't send/receive....and had previously upgraded from the original 2G iPhone. =)
in in virgina sending them back in forth as we speak bout time atnt!!! i have one of the best phones on the market and couldnt send pics back n forth!! but for all that have your phone jailbroken u can keep it that way read up in he comments
been an hour and i stil cant update my carrier setting!!!!
anyone jave an answer for this?
Note to jailbreakers!
Disable any changes to your carrier name (AT&T Carrier Logo or MIM). This will cause an error.
Running iPhone 3GS w/ 3.0 and carrier file 5.5 just fine. =) Was getting errors from iTunes trying to install the carrier file manually when I had the carrier logo installed.
do you have to send a message in 3g or can you send one in edge?
i have a jailbroken 3.1 shouldnt that work perfectly..cant update carrier settings...same as mike and ryan
Can I just download carrier file 5.5 and update the way I did 5.1 yesterday with my 3.0.1 Jailbreak? If not, why should I upgrade? MMS works just fine for me here in LI,NY.
Downloaded the update, restarted and all I get is the apple logo in the middle of the screen...tried to restart again...can't turn it off?? Help!
I just loaded file and restarted phone. Tested and working in Mississippi!
I can send pics no problem here in Philly suburbs (to ATT and Verizon). Able to receive from ATT, but not from Verizon yet...
Yawn...I sent a photo via text. Back to work now.
If some of you that still can't send you might want to call AT&T. I called and they still had me under my iPhone 2G and not my 3Gs.
I am having the same problem, The txt pic run thru about 80% then hangs up. Tried to send my first pic. It took over a hour
nelson i got the apple logo too for a while but u have to let it sit there. it just takes a while booting up after u restarted it for the first time.
after that it restarts fast again.
thanks Iaurent...how long? been a good 15 minutes!
Ah, 5.5 allows Wifi? Guess I'll be updating just the carrier file tonight!
yay i have mms now!! im in abita springs, louisiana!!
Still not working for me!
Just get red! and failure to send notice, is this just the busy server.
Loaded it on my 3GS from iTunes just now, shut off the iPhone and turned it back on. Daughter sent a picture from her regular phone and it came through and I sent one just fine to her and a few others on other carriers with no problems.
Works great here in Clearwater, FL(Tampa Bay). Can send/receive photos in texts and to those on other carriers. Took a photo within the Message app and worked just fine
Kept on getting the little exclamation point as well for a while. i just shut it down and rebooted and now it seems to work "ok".
has anyone had the apple logo for up to a half hour after restarting?? Nothing is happening??
I'm getting the message send failure. This blows!
I updated everything and rebooted and I'm
still getting the red exclamation point! Help!!
I can receive with any setting but can only send without 3G or WiFi turned on. DFW with iPhone 3G(no hacks, 3.1, 5.5)
No luck in st. Louis.
MMS works great, still missing tethering... shakes fist
Mine is working now guys. Both ways!
Getting red exclamation..... FAILURE TO SEND!!!!! ANYONE????
@Pholey22 no my friend is not with AT&T one is with t-mobile and the other is with us cellular and i got both results both times they both said test came and then when i sent the pic by itself they said they got it
works great for me, although i cant sent MMS to my friend who has an LG Shine :(
cant send or receive. and im not surprised its not working...
im also in st. louis, and yeah, nothing. refuses to send :(
Finally SUCCESS! Sent two MMS on 3g after sending one on Edge, and received 2 MMS on 3g. This after 3 hours of red !.
Dallas, 3G, 8GB, 3.1, 5.5 carrier file
Failure in Tucson AZ
Everyone that installed MMS u need to restart your phone or else u won't see it. And it works great it's as fast as like sending messages to two people at the sametime.
Working great in Daytona Beach!!!
@t0m yes I just did that.
I am running 3.1 OS and 5.5 carrier in St. Louis MO, and it has only worked one time when i sent my wife a picture from my 3GS to her 3G but only worked just one time. Keep getting red exclamation point after a three minute time out. This is waht we have been waiting for...its faster to send to @mms.att.net!!!!
still dead here in New Orleans. Red exclamation point
Installed mms reset iPhone and ...... The red exclamation point. Nothing goes or receives.
FYI live in Detroit, Mi area. Any help is appreciated
Still no luck, Called AT&T and they said my phone has to wait to be invited into the network which should be by morning. I would guess this is how they are staggering the roll out. They had me do a couple quick things which did nothing. They said there is no button they can push to make it work nor do they have to much info in tech support on it. Sounds like AT&T left their own tech support in the dark too.
does any one know if mms will work on a 3g using a 1st gen data plan
MMS messaging was working fine earlier today but now everything I try to send fails. It's 5pm here in New Mexico so I suspect it might be due to everyone getting off work, getting the update and trying it out but I wanted to know if anyone else is having problems like mine. Just for reference I have a new iPhone 3Gs that has never been hacked in any way so I'm only interested in replies from people with legit systems. I don't want to know about all the jail-breaking issues.
OK great, Apple/AT&T have finally joined the 21st Century. A little too late. Why wasn't this available June 29, 2007? What is Apple's problem that it would not include such a widespread, simple and standard feature in a device billed as revolutionary? And yes, it was Apple and AT&T that held up MMS. Both are guilty. What a joke.
Its slow, but its working here in Central VA.
It amazes me that so many people are so angry about the lack of MMS on the iPhone (until, of course, today). AT&T this, Apple that. Blah blah blah.
So many people are acting as if AT&T and Apple have been withholding oxygen and water from the people.
What a joke.
Fck AT&T
Fck Apple.
They lied!
Summer is officially over.
The iPhone is the most incredible mobile device to date. Even before 3G. So MMS came later. It's not like you can't just e-mail stuff to your family and friends text address.
It sounds like a lot of non smartphones are unable to receive MMS messages sent from iPhones anyway.
I really hope most of this is in jest. Sometimes humor or sarcasm is hard to detect in a text presentation.
I'd like to think that the people who come to The iPhone Blog are iPhone enthusiasts and not people who just like to whine and be snide.
I love this site but sometimes the comments are harsh and unwarranted.
People: LOVE your iPhone, and in return, your iPhone will love you back!!
There was absolutely NO REASON that this old feature on phones should be a new feature on the iphone. Just plain silliness.
Yeah... but think of all the cool stuff the iPhone can do that no other phone can! Like be totally awesome!
@Lisa: yes, same problem here. Red ! every time I try to send.
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 5.1 and 5.5!!!
in 5.1 if you group-texted multiple people, it would be called "GROUP MMS" and make a chat room like thing where everyone could see everyone's input with their name written small above it -- once you update to 5.5 it takes the update away
i totally used that Group MMS all of the time too... this isnt cool, i feel like i just downgraded my phone
Are we charged for two messages if we send pic.+ text. That's the way it appears.
I sent one message (to a VZW phone), and the text went through, but not the picture.
I have a jb 3g running 3.0 have had carrier file 5.1 and working mms for months. It's still working. My wife and daughter on non jb iPhone 3g running 3.1 with carrier file 5.5 and they get red exclamation point.... I guess they just gott wait it out
My iphone is no longer a paperweight!!!
JimmyD: people can have their own opinion. This is a basic function of almost every other phone on the planet. Can you give one good reason why it was not included on the iPhone until now?
Red !!!!!!
Um.. My mms was working fine... Now the icon to attach a pic is gone?? What the hell??? Any one else?
Same here, Bubba! MMS is old news on the iPhone to me! :P
Just in case you guys didn't know, you can send and receive animated gifs also. ;)
WTF??? My MMS IS NOT WORKING MORE WHAT HAPPEND?
WTF??? My MMS IS NOT WORKING ANYMORE WHAT HAPPEND?
Guys, as frustrating as it may seem, I came from the Blackberry Storm and this is nothing. The Iphone is the ULTIMATE phone, second to none. With the Storm I had hourly problems, freezing, random restarts, millions of battery pulls, failed service. Since I have been here life is heaven!! ATT and Apple may not be perfect but its far better than the competition. Have patience and NO SEXTING!!! HA
Network is running slow ofcourse with everyoe trying to send Picture messages. But it does work. Be patient. All iPhone users are just trying to use it so its jammin up the system.
Dexter, How do we do that???
i updated my iphone, restarted and it was stuck on the apple screen. I waited 15-20 mins and reset it again and it's still stuck. I hope this clears itself up!
Working just fine here in NV. Jailbroken phones: I heard from an AT&T rep that if your phone is jailbroken the update will crash your phone and turn phone into a brick! Has this happened to anyone? I know the 3.1 update did crash a lot of phones..plz post if it has.
I'm getting mms picture and video fro sprint verizon and tmoblie no problems
MMS has not been working now for 2 hours, anybody else having this problem. location Houston, tx
nelson might be cuz u rebooted it the first time and didnt wait enough. it only took like 3 minutes for me the first time. i was freaking out but i went afk and came back and it worked and after that reboots were fast again.
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My wife just sent me 30 pictures via mms. So yeah it's working.
Does it work for the 2G? I can't seem to get it working!!!!
finally glad to have my MMS all my friends have been whining about them not being able to send me MMS messages. now they can. so i am happy and so are they. I am in salt lake city utah fyi.
@dondadda76 no MMS does not work for iphone 2G supposedly it does not have hardware that support spicture messaging. if you want it you will have to upgrade to either the 3G or 3GS
Had to restore my phone before it would let me do the carrier update. Apple said it was because it used to be jailbroken....now it's loaded on there but every mms in or out fails. SMS works fine. In chicago, any ideas??
Brian: Can you give me one legitimate reason to curse two companies because a function that is completely unnecessary for the iPhone was not included until now? Opinion is one thing. Name calling is not opinion. Opinion is: I really think MMS should have always been a part of the iPhone. Opinion is not: I hate AT&T and Apple because they've screwed us. Or: Let's crash the system!
I honestly think the bulk of negative/nasty comments are from non iPhone people. The iPhone has been on the market, without MMS, for two years. Everyone knew there was no MMS. So if MMS is/was the deal breaker, why did so many people go ahead and buy the iPhone?
I agree that Apple should not have said "by the end of summer" knowing full well that people were going to make their calendars. Maybe a more responsible target could have been: Before the end of the 3rd Quarter.
My comment is aimed at the posters who are acting as if both Apple and AT&T have deprived them of elements that could prevent them from breathing.
THEY PROMISED! I just hope these same people are just as passionate about health care and the economy.
All good here in San Diego,CA. Tried sending MMS 1st time and failed. Did a resend and all MMS work fine now. 6:39pm PST
Going on 7 hrs of red (!). I'm getting over this! The amount I pay per month for two of these things and to get this crap service from a provider.... They should be paying us! I left "v" because of shit service to find AT&T not much better!


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Thank You For The First Leg Of The 'Here And...
Thank you to all of our fans in Belgium, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Switzerland and United Kingdom for this leg of the 'Here And Now World Tour'!
Russia, Belarus, Australia, New Zealand and Japan, we are headed your way next! Check out more information here.