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One side is 2 inches longer than the other, and arrived very wrinkled. Skirt is not soft and flowey like it appears on net.
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Well, it took forever to get here (slow shipping, evidently), but it's perfect. Fit is exact, no unevenness in hem, fabric is lovely and smooth and fully lined and it appears well made to this old seamstress. Plus, color is vibrant, and it floats like a butterly. I may invest in having this one dry-cleaned so it will last forever. What a great deal! Glad I gave myself a Mother's Day present.
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What skating shows is Maximin signed for?
After all, Jerome Blanchard came back after a long break from competition.
What skating shows is Maximin signed for?
After all, Jerome Blanchard came back after a long break from competition.
I have found out that Benjamin Leze and his new partner have been invited and will skate at the selection. Her name is Elektra Hetman and she is an American skater . Her bio is still listed on icepartnersearch. A pretty girl and her video shows some good skating skills and presentation. She listed her coach as Sergei Ponomarenko. They will skate in the Gala in Villards on July 28. No info on wether the Flemin's have . also been invited.
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The Olympic Champs that never were! RIP J&C's hypothetically Incredible Career.
Article on Nathalie Pechalat and Fabian Bourzat: http://www.goldenskate.com/articles/2010/080110.shtml
Ok, this article confuses me once again... so has the uplifting rule been added or not? I mean, does it exist officially as an actual rule, cause last time I checked, it wasn't there...
says a woman who skated to Requiem herself last seasonThe top couples did great programs, but all that drama... it is this kind of program that they don't want anymore as too many couples did them. I think the judges are fed up with this.
But I wouldn't agree that drama is too much drama. I think what is too much, is overused drama music, like Requiem. I'm quite curious what that Zhulin choreography will be like, although I do not have high hopes with this couple anymore. Once they switched coaches and left Zazoui, they became too cabaret or circus-like, acrobatic, making fun of themselves. And my Lord, they used to be so classy before, they had all it takes to be the next Delobel/Schoenfelder or even more!! that Flamenco OD was stunning!! I have no idea what's happened to them, but the last two seasons their style became very annoying to me.
The uplifting rule was never passed. What did pass was exactly what was quoted in the P&B article -
music "must be cut/edited, orchestrated, or arranged in a way that it creates an interesting, colourful, entertaining dance program with different moods or a building effect" (Rule 601 Free Dance regulations).
For now, they are definitely committed to the 2012 World Championships in Nice, France and don't exclude staying in for the 2014 Olympic Games to make their dream of an Olympic medal come true.
I'm usually all about newcomers and juniors but I make an exception with one (or a couple of) teams.
Rockin' Finnish commentator: "And that was supposed to be a flip but it turned out to be a flop."
.... seems as if Vanessa James has been training in Chemnitz till yesterday.....
although I wouldn't say Mahler was especially colorful or entertaining so perhaps this rule isn't that bad after all
You're so right .They are definately a different couple after switching the coaches .Before the change they had very innovative programmes 4 Seasons Madness FD and yes that Flamenco OD was devine ! I love it as much as A/P 02 OD .The CDS were never really their strong part of the competition so hopefully the new SD and Zhulins choreo ' and of course being French number one's will be a good stepping stone for them .
I much prefer them to F/S or K/K.
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Ladies : Yrétha SILETE, Lénaëlle GILLERON-GORY et Anaïs VENTARD
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Ladies : Lénaëlle GILLERON-GORY22/26 september - ISU Junior Grand Prix – Karuizawa (JPN)
Dance: Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON et Sofia GASSOUMI / Arnaud PASZTORY
Dance: Géraldine BOTT / Neil BROWN et Myriam GASSOUMI / Clément LE MOLAIRE29 september/03 october - ISU Junior Grand Prix – Sheffield (GB)
No entries06/10 october - ISU Junior Grand Prix – Dresden (ALL)
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Sofia and Arnaud had to change their music in June, so they have been moved from the Courchevel JGP to a later one to give them more time to be ready.
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We also now have two 18 hole golf courses and a pitch and putt, each offering spectacular views of the town and the Mediterranean sea. There are also 30 golf courses within one hours driving distance.
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Of course we can improve many things in our town, the urban landscape, our tourist offices, our clubs and discos that need updating, our urban transport system etc
However, do you know a place that offers all these things I mention above ?. Benidorm is often compared to other tourist areas without appreciating the fact that Benidorm is one single destination and not a few towns grouped together.
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Could Apple sell a $200 iPad mini, and how would investors react if they did?
Lately on iMore, and other websites, there has been a lot of discussion around the idea of Apple selling a lower cost tablet. So I thought it would be worth writing about this topic from the perspective of an Apple investor. Is a cheaper tablet a good idea? Is it necessary?
Absent an official Apple press release, we don't actually know with 100% certainty that this will happen, but for the sake of argument let's say it does. To me, the idea of a smaller iPad makes a lot of sense. I have an iPad and two BlackBerry PlayBooks in my house. Every one of these three tablets gets plenty of use, and I can see the use cases for large and small.
Besides that, Apple has a long history of successfully carrying multiple sizes. Just look at the MacBook Pro and Macbook Air lines. You have 11-, 13-, and 15-inches options (and until a couple of months ago, 17-inches as well). I've always said that tablets can come in multiple sizes. Once you pick an aspect ratio (whether it be 16:9 or 4:3, or something else), the size should just be an option. It has been this way in the TV industry forever. Why are tablets any different?
If you buy my argument that size is simply an option, why would a slightly smaller iPad deserve a significantly smaller price? How can Apple price a 7-inch iPad at $199 or $249 while asking the much larger price of $499 for the regular (new) iPad?
It's probably not fair to compare the new iPad to an iPad mini either. If Apple uses the same resolution of the iPad 2 and similar spec'd components, then we should compare an iPad mini against a $399 iPad 2. But still, half the price for slightly smaller? What will this do to the company?
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Between October 2010 and the end of March 2012, Apple had gross margins of 23 to 32 percent on its U.S. iPad sales, which generated revenue of more than $13 billion for Apple, the filing said. Apple does not typically disclose profit margins on individual products.
Is this data actually accurate? I'm not convinced. Even at the 32% level, I have a hard time believing a $499 iPad costs Apple as much as $378 to manufacture, which is what the cost needs to be for a 32% margin. iSupply pegs the bill of materials + manufacturing on an iPad 3 16GB at $316.05, and an iPad 2 16GB at $240.10. Who knows how Apple defines gross margin in court statements. Separately, UBM TechInsights says Apple actually earns a margin of about 53% on the iPad 2.
That sure sounds more like the Apple I know. Premium prices, premium margins. But still, they do sell lower end products such as the iPod touch. Currently an 8 GB model of the iPod Touch sells for $199, and production cost is estimated to be around $150. That makes for a +30% margin on Apple's lowest cost iOS device.
A $200 iPad Mini, to me, seems completely out of the question. Why in the world would Apple launch an iPad 2 quality product at an iPod touch price? Normally, within Apple, portability has been marketed as a feature, not a cost-saver.
If Apple was to sell an iPad at sub 30% margins, I think the stock would take a deep nosedive. There's just no good reason for Apple to make such a move right now.
Perhaps months ago, when the Amazon Kindle Fire was released (sold at essentially zero margin, for $199) and the Google Nexus 7 was on the horizon (also sold at essentially zero margin for $199), Apple may have considered defensive moves to capture market share and keep the competitors out. But today? It doesn't seem necessary at all. Even in China, Apple has institutional investors who would sell en masse. Wall Street would start puking out the stock. It's really as simple as that.
Wall Street already understands perfectly well that the iPad has much lower margins than the iPhone. But Apple is still a company with 72.7% market share for tablets in China. Price is not limiting Apple's market share, clearly.
My take is, we will see a smaller iPad. Reporting by iMore and others has pretty much confirmed this. But nobody seems to be as sure about the price point. I think Apple has already established market share leadership with the iPad and doesn't need to cut prices significantly. I would be shocked if an iPad Mini hits the market at $299 or below. But at the $299 or above price point I think Apple can still earn reasonable margins, while opening up the market to much larger volume, and further cementing its market share lead.
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I think $299 is the sweet spot. There is no reason for Apple to join the race to the bottom. I'm assuming from everything I've seen that it will essentially be an iPad 2 in a smaller form factor, able to do everything and run every app the 2 can. That, plus the fact that even the most casual consumer considers the iPad "the" tablet computer to own (no diss of Android - I'm just talking about the average person who doesn't read tech blog's perception) means that people will happily shell out an extra hundred bucks to own an actual iPad.
That $299 price also makes the most sense when looking at the whole iOS line. $200 Touch, $300 iPad Mini, $400 iPad full size and $500 iPad Retina. A very natural and defendable pricing structure.
Interesting article. I too agree strongly with Damitol that we're looking at a much higher price point than I see being discussed. $299 seems about right to me as well, when you consider their entire line of iOS products.
I think it has to come in around $200-250 or why bother. I really think its going to be more a larger iPod touch than a smaller iPad. I'm thinking it will be intended as more of a consumption device than the production device the iPad is; which is basically what all the other small tablets are.
When you are the market leader, certainly the best benefit is you get to charge more.
"Is this data actually accurate? I'm not convinced. Even at the 32% level, I have a hard time believing a $499 iPad costs Apple as much as $378 to manufacture, which is what the cost needs to be for a 32% margin. iSupply pegs the bill of materials + manufacturing on an iPad 3 16GB at $316.05, and an iPad 2 16GB at $240.10. Who knows how Apple defines gross margin in court statements. "
Gross margin is exactly that. It is the gross margin after all costs. Not just the parts and materials costs. People who do not understand business get so confused when they look at these numbers that bloggers like isupply come up with. This does not include the R&D, Marketing, Accounting, Shipping, Where-housing and other multitudes of fixed costs that a business such as Apple would include in the cost of a product such as the ipad.
One of my favorite West Wing lines (paraphrased from memory): "It doesn't cost $2. The second one cost $2. The first one cost $2 billion dollars!"
I was about to say the exact same thing. Those iPad commercials you see aren't free :)
Rampant speculation of the release of an iPad mini on any number of websites, doesn't "confirm" or prove that the product exists or will ever exist. But for argument's sake, if Apple produced an iPad mini at the same resolution as the iPad 2 and sold it for $199, that would probably cause a bunch of people who have not bought a tablet yet to purchase an iPad mini and a bunch of people who already have Tablets, to add it to their tablet collection or replace other tablets that they own. Investors would surely enjoy the sales increase of Apple iPad products and that would likely cause an increase in share price. A win-win situation for Apple and a crushing blow of defeat to Microsoft's RT tablet, the Playbook, and Android tablets.
You're right that Apple would sell boatloads of iPad Minis at a $199 price point, but they wouldn't be making the profit that investors expect from Apple. Apple is all about their margins and selling at a break even point or razor thin profit isn't how they've accumulated more money than most central banks.
We old farts remember "55 or die" type T-shirts around Cupertino in the 1980s celebrating margins when the Mac was light years ahead of the PC. That is not to the tablet market will follow the same path, but Apple may have decided from that experience that a pure margin focus beyond a certain level is unsustainable.
No way will the mini be $199. That's purely wishful thinking. It will be $299. Squarely between the Touch and the IPad.
I would say split the difference and it will come in at $249-$279. $299 is psychologically to high.
Yep, I totally agree. Those rumors of it being 199 are to be laughed at each and every time they come up. Eventually the 2012 base model may drop to that level...after another version is released in a year. It would be absolutely idiotic for Apple to aim low or forgo their typical margins. They always compete in the high end of each market or segment they're in.
"Even in China, Apple has institutional investors who would sell en masse. Wall Street would start puking out the stock. It's really as simple as that."
What are these statements based on? Sounds like pure speculation to me. This device will be thin and light. What does that make you think of? iPad or iPod touch? Apple is responding to the market with an entry level device that will lure new customers and keep existing customers in their ecosystem. iPad mini would be targeted at the Nexus 7 and other devices in the $200 range. Of course Apple won't sell the mini for $200. More likely at the $250/$300 price points, and they will still have a good margin on this. 32% is pretty darn good, just ask LG, Sony, and HTC if they would be happy with that margin.
I am also an investor and I think I'll trust the company with over 100b in the bank. Apple will be just fine, and so will the stock price.
"Why in the world would Apple launch an iPad 2 quality product at an iPod touch price?"
1) A little company called Wal-Mart sells products at a LOSS to bring people into their store (i.e. ecosystem)
2) Apple makes money on apps, peripherals, licensing, etc
3) The Galaxy Note 10.1 will likely be my next device purchase (have owned: iPad, iMac, MacBook, 3 iPods and an iPhone)
4) iTunes music traps you into an ecosystem (I have 1,200 songs) and a $200 iPad gets the ecosystem into younger, lower income, and education markets
5) Google owns Motorola and is spending a LOT of money in R&D there
6) Pricing of the original iPad below competitor's ability to match created their original market lead time
7) Buying previous generation microchips in bulk is CHEAP
8) $200 is still a big deal to a lot of people and it makes us sound like tools by talking about it like it's toilet paper.
"Is this data actually accurate? I'm not convinced. Even at the 32% level, I have a hard time believing a $499 iPad costs Apple as much as $378 to manufacture, which is what the cost needs to be for a 32% margin."
A 32% "margin" is different to a 32% "mark up"....
Making a 32% margin on a $499 iPad would put the net manufacturing / marketing costs at $339.... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_margin#Confusion)
While the past is salient, a few things have changed.
The iPad was disruptive and one of the things it's disrupted is Apple's place as a niche PC manufacturer. They're now in the dominant position and want to keep it that way.
Until now they've owned the 10" space and there has been no real competition in the 7" space. That's changing and Google have set the pace in that regard.
As has been clarified, margin is about R&D, not just components and Apple are building on lot of previous R&D considering they have experiences in devices either side of this size to draw on.
Also, Tim Cook hinted at lower margins in his last earnings call.
I think it's entirely likely, then, that we could see a $249 smaller iPad.
Make no mistake, Apple sets and dictates the rules in the tablet markets. Google hasn't set a thing. MS could pose a threat though.
Jobs said he was willing to go thermonuclear on Android. He was willing to blow $billions. As others have pointed out, Apple will still make decent margins at $249. For $50 more, most people in the world will buy the Apple product. The iPad Air will crush Nexus 7, Kindle Fire 2 and whatever Nook comes up with.
Remember that Apple sells mostly hardware, yet their margins are at the same level (slightly better net margins) as software companies like Microsoft & Google. Traditional hardware companies like HP, Dell, Lenovo, Samsung, etc. have margins in single digits. Apple can shave a few points of margin here and still be in a very healthy range. As an AAPL investor, I have absolute faith in Tim Cook and crew.
Re: "How can Apple price a 7-inch iPad at $199 or $249 while asking the much larger price of $499 for the regular (new) iPad?"
Answer: Smaller screen, non-Retina resolution. You want the biggest and sharpest screen? Get the 3rd-gen iPad. You want low cost and a smaller form factor? Get the iPad Air or whatever it might be called.
I think the real question is "How can Apple justify $200 for the iPod touch after releasing a smaller iPad at $250?" I don't think they can. They'll either need to lower the price of the touch or eliminate it.
Lowering iPod touch pricing to make it a better value compared to a smaller, cheaper iPad would also make it a better value compared to the iPhone. And Apple won't do anything to cannibalize iPhone sales. iPhone is far more profitable for Apple than iPod touch. And, in the long run, an iPad mini could be far more profitable than iPod touch. Because it will crush any mini-tablet competitors.
So, I think Apple just might end-of-life the iPod touch. Then again maybe not. But when's the last time you saw a component leak for any iPod touch? Last year?
It depends on whether Apple want to stay at the premium end, or if they want to close the door. The risk may be that cheap high volume products end up catching up. At that price-point it would make it virtually impossible to sell any other tablet. If they combined this with a real effort to take enterprise then they lock the market down tight. Do they need to do that now? No. However, they could foresee a point where it becomes necessary an have chosen to act early. In terms of long term shareholder value this is low risk actually - so on that I fundamentally disagree.
The real question is whether a move like that would reflect a culture change at Apple - rather than being premium they would be ubiquitous! For that reason alone I think it is less likely, and I don't think they need to do that right now...but it is not so out of the question as is suggested...
I would not view an iPad Mini as much as a competitor to the iPad but as an extension of the line. While it might canabalize some sales I would think Apple would position it several ways:
1) A better Kindle device for people who want a reader / player but think the iPad is too big. That would be a market expansion move and rely on the strength of iTunes to make it a compelling alternative to the Kindle / Nook (plus you get Kindle and amazon video on it anyway).
2) A replacement for paper manuals in cars. Apple is moving the iOS ecosystem to cars, this gives them an in - initially as a replacement for manuals on higher end cars; ultimately as the in car display screen. Many dispaly screens are already about 7 inches so it's not like this would be a big jump.
3) They kill the Touch - the iPhone has pretty much replaced it for many consumers, killing it opens a niche for a mini.
This implies a less capable device that is more in line with the Touch model of preloading content rather than as a full featured always connected 4G iPad. With cars moving to integrated WiFi taht model works well as the car's content delievry device and navigation system as well.
Price (or margin) remains the key issue. I would gues they leave out some components from the iPad such as 4G and the retina screen to lower costs. A $175 manufacturing point (a bit more than a Touch to allow for a bigger screen and a tad more memory) implies a sales price of $250 (for 30%); which is close enough to a Kindle but still keeps with Apple's "our customers will pay a premium" model to create a viable consumer (and investor) product. If it is ahit volume will drive cost down somewhat as well.
Another thought on margins: if Apple can somehow make LTE fit into something that thin and also have enough battery to power it, then the extra $100-130 they would charge for LTE would pad overall margins for the device. $379 iPad Air LTE? I'll bet it'll be the most popular version.
I personally think that Retina is off the table for the iPad mini this year. I remember Steve Jobs saying that after they launched the Mac (the first Mac) that Apple fucked up by going after profits over marketshare, I don't think they will make that mistake again, especially with iOS which will give them something that they couldn't achieve against MS in the past. A dominant OS.
While I don't think they will hit $199 as the margins will be too low, I think they will squeeze their margins and hit $249 for the 8gig, $299 for 16gig and $399 for 32gig (I don't think they will do 64gig with the mini). They can price themselves a bit upmarket from the competition ($50) but I don't think they can do $100 more, at low price points that is a big jump in price (50% of the Nexus 7 price).If Apple is serious about iOS domination they will hit $249 or lower. Tim Cook has already said 1) They will not leave a price umbrella for competitors when it comes to the iPad (if they price the mini at $299 for the base model, that's exactly what they're doing by giving the competition $100 breathing room) and during their earnings call Cook said 2) expect a squeeze on overall margins in Q4 (when iPad mini launches).
Apple isn't going to make the same mistake that they did 20 years ago. They will go for marketshare aggressively and take wind out of the cheap Android tablet market. $249 base is likely IMO, $299 for the base? forget it. As for $199? I don't think that it will happen, the margins would be just way too low. They can afford to be $50 above the competition.
Also, as an investor with $20k of my hard earned in the company. I would be pissed if they took a minuscule margin and did a $199 iPad mini.


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Iranian Americans denied sale of Apple goods due to export policy
Americans of Iranian descent have been having a hard time picking up iPhones and iPads in the state of Georgia due to a U.S. import ban that has translated into a sale policy at Apple stores. On multiple occasions, shoppers were heard by Apple Store managers speaking Farsi and denied service. The reason was a fairly cut and dry part of Apple's sale policy on prohibited destinations.
The U.S. holds complete embargoes against Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria. The exportation, reexportation, sale or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States, or by a U.S. person wherever located, of any Apple goods, software, technology (including technical data), or services to any of these countries is strictly prohibited without prior authorization by the U.S. Government. This prohibition also applies to any Apple owned subsidiary or any subsidiary employee worldwide.
The big offense here isn't that the U.S. has a trade embargo on Iran (that's another can of worms altogether), but rather that Apple is enforcing this policy through their retail locations. Obviously Apple isn't going to be shipping anything to areas restricted by law, but should they be held accountable for indirect re-exportation after they sell goods domestically? If so, should it really be within the jurisdiction of some chump retail employee to pry into the personal lives of others, or worse still, make brash assumptions based on language alone? It seems to me that the onus sits on government border control if they want to uphold these embargoes.
Apple employees later suggested that the shoppers in question just buy their goods online, but really, why should they have to? If Apple is willing to do that, why not just sell them the iPad or iPhone at a store? It's easy to jump on this situation as a case of racial profiling, but I think in the end it's just poor staff training on Apple's part; they need the shipping policy in place to comply with American law, but if managers were explicitly told not to sell to anyone even vaguely Cuban, Iranian, Korean, Sudanese, or Syrian, then Apple deserves the PR poopstorm to come.
As you might expect, major American Iranian associations are calling for Apple to change their position. Do you think Apple will, or are they right to be worried that the government would see them as being too lax on the law?
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This is not a good look.
They will get iPads and iPhones for free after this.
Dear Sir,
The export restrictions as currently drafted require Apple to behave in this manner or otherwise face excessive fines that can range from $250k to $1M in fines per occurrence for selling goods to a foreign national of or into the embargoed countries. Note that if a laptop is taken from the US to Iran and Apple provides support or updates they have violated US Export Restrictions. The reason they ask them to buy online is that they can actually verify all of the information, confirm country of purchaser and have a known end point shipping destination that can be confirmed. At that point, Apple can further disclaim liability and impute it to the end user via its EULAs and TOS. This policy is completely reasonable given the high cost of non-compliance as well as the US Governements ability to block imports which would kill Apples business. Finally, as counsel for many technology companies, I would not want retail employees attempting to make decisions on who is a risk and who is not a foreign national from one of those countries, so having what seems to be a draconian policy is the only way around this. I do agree though that it should be uniformly applied to any persons from those countries and frankly if everyone buying Apple products has an Apple ID this would likely solve the issue.
I think you are missing a key point here. My understanding is that the sales person heard the customer speaking Farsi and therefore stated "I just can't sell this to you. Our countries have bad relations". The customs was a US citizen. As a UK citizen who speaks Farsi but not of middle eastern descent, if I was in that store I would have been extremely dissapointed with my unfair treatment.
The last I checked there was no embargo on selling to someone who can SPEAK Farsi.
The sales person clearly has (personal) issues with racial profiling or has had some very poor guidance. He/she should not be allowed to make a judgement unless they have reasonable grounds to assume the product is being transferred to an embargoes country.
Yeah... right...
I'll buy an iPhone on a U.S. store and go freely to Iran afterwards just because I'm american.
I'm highly familiar with the embargo's rules. The embargo is on goods shipped to that country, not to American citizens of decent of those countries. this applies not only to Apple, but to third party shipping companies as well.
the key is the items are not being shipped to Iran. if the indivisual has a permanent US residence, the embargo does not apply to Apple. if that individual decides to send it to Iran, then they are in violation of the embargo. If that individual uses it as personal use, no embargo is violated.
A store manager cannot decide to not sell because of the language a person is speaking. Apple had better make this clear fast. Law suits will result (and rightfully so).
A load of bull. Once the device is paid for in US funds and leaves the store with the purchaser, no company is responsible for where it goes after that unless that company is the one sending it to those embargoed areas.
This is going to get real bad. At least it should, because according to this guy at Apple, if your FROM Cuba you can't buy one. (or any of those listed) Guilty by association. WOW!!
Go whine about something real for a change. I am so sick and tired of all the complaining about what some foreigner or Americanized foreigner, can't do over here about something that in the scheme of things such as world hunger, peace, etc., and all they can do is complain about not getting an Apple product. If it's so darn bad over here, GO HOME and don't look back. Ugh!!!
So, if you lived in another country and weren't allowed to get an apple product you wouldn't complain? First, your on iMore so you probably have about 5 apple products so if you lived in another country and you weren't actually allowed to purchase them because of your nationality you would just sit there being fine about it? I thought not.
Sounds like the customers home IS the US
Troll, go home.
Every American has the right to be treated equally and fairly..he/she should not be judged by the color of his skin or his ethnicity.
Get educated.
And I am sick of people deciding to infringe on the rights of other citizens of the US (until you prove them otherwise) because of how they look or in this case speak. Something "real" for a change? How about the violation of a person's rights on the basis of how they look or talk or whatever? OH! How about denying someone the ability to engage in free commerce (remember? This is a capitalist society; free market and all...) because they speak Farsi or Urdu or maybe Mandarin, or Spanish?
This is real bad, they were not getting the iphones to take them overseas, they were profiled based on their ethnicity....so does that mean Cubans aren't allowed to have iphones or iPad here in Florida???....
You're in America. Speak English and no one's the wiser. I speak multiple languages also, but I don't go around speaking another language just because it's easier or because I'm trying to hide something.
Either way, I agree that it shouldn't be up to Apple as a company and certainly not at a retail store to enforce this. To my knowledge, other retail stores don't do this, so why should Apple. It paints a very fascist image for Apple if you ask me.
What language do you use to communicate with your siblings and parents when youre in any country ? your native language.
They know English and they talked English to the staff. No crime for them to speak their own language when talking to eachother privately!
I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. If I've moved to another country to live, I speak their native tongue even with my private family, public or otherwise. That's how it's done in our homes. If you're just traveling or visiting another country but not really a resident alien or citizen, then I don't see a problem with speaking your native tongue there... but mostly because you're probably not fluent in the other language. If you're fluent, speak the language of the country you're in. I find it offensive when people do otherwise. It's as if they're saying... too bad for you that you don't speak our language and can't understand what we're saying (be it good or bad). They're even more surprised when you fire back at them in their native tongue and then you see their demeanor change in terms of their jokingly secret way of communicating. :rolleyes:
Well, the US officially doesn't have an official language. Even with your stance, it's hard to then say people should speak the official language of the country they are in.
The United States does not have a national official language; nevertheless, English (specifically American English) is the primary language used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings, and all other official pronouncements; although there are laws requiring documents such as ballots to be printed in multiple languages when there are large numbers of non-English speakers in an area.
As part of what has been called the English-only movement, some states have adopted legislation granting official status to English. As of April 2011[update], out of 50 states, 28 had established English as the official language, including Hawaii where English and Hawaiian are both official.
The language of the law is the language of the land it governs. Simple as that. Wiki is not exactly written by anyone else other than normal public people... who don't always understand everything properly.
Apparently you haven't moved from country to another , so you have no clue.
Plus , you hear people speak Spanish in a lot of places in US , should Apple stop selling products to them just cause maybe they're from Cuba ?!
When you move to a country you should learn their language and follow their rules and laws. However you don't have to give up your homelands traditions and language and you have the freedom of speaking your native language to your closest relative. It's only wrong and disrespectful when you try to speak your native language to others who don't understand it.
The policy is an EXPORT policy. There is no export in the store. The store manager is an idiot, and I am sure that this isn't Apple's policy at all. Nobody this stupid is capable of running anything let alone a multi billion dollar company.
I guess it's the least we can do for having to put up with those types of people. They come here and take our jobs and don't learn the language. Buy online
You mean do take the jobs that you feel you are too good for such as housekeeping? There are plenty of jobs out there. Pick one.
You're absolutely retarded, TheRealRothstein. These customers did (and do) speak perfectly good English. They ALSO happen to speak another language (god forbid Americans be educated and know more than one language...). They were not speaking Farsi because they didn't know how to speak English. They were obviously conversing with the Apple employee in English, not to mention in the TV news segment. However, when the customers had side conversations just between each other in Farsi, the Apple store employee decided that they must be Iranian nationals who want to export the products to a prohibited destination. Of course, that's not entirely true, because some of the customers were naturalized US citizens, and in at least one of these instances, the customer said he had no intention of exporting the Apple product to Iran. Frankly, enforcement of export embargoes is the sole jurisdiction of the federal US government, and specifically, of the US Customs Department. It is not the job of retail employees of some domestic store located in, say, Georgia, to speculate about whether the customer intends to violate US export embargoes, at some undefined point in the future, by subsequently exporting the item to a prohibited destination.
Listen, TheRealRothstein. I don't think you're racist. You're simply an ass who diminishes the greatness of this country with your unbridled idiocy. Hence, YOU are the one who should leave, lest you should further damage the strength and national interests of the US. You're taking up space in this country that could be occupied by human beings who are actually intelligent and educated. Please, if you're a true patriot, do your country a big favor and move to Ecuador or something.
And this brings me back to the point I had made above. If you respect the place you're in and the individuals you're dealing with, there's no reason to "hide" whatever you're saying by changing languages to keep secrets, even if it was about talking the guy down in price or whatever (i.e. something innnocent). Act like a foreigner, get treated like one.
They're not hiding anything. It's only natural to speak your native tongue to your closest relatives.
They didn't get treated like foreigners. Are you suggesting they would've gotten the same treatment if they'd been speaking French , Italian or Spanish ?! ;)
You're points are not valid cause you've never had to MOVE to another country and adapt to that country !
I am sorry but that's the kind of ass backwards philosophy that makes me detest Apple. I own apple products, and I enjoy them, but sometimes the way they handle things is just plain WTF.
This should be made viral.
So many racists following iMore. I'm surprised. For so long Apple products and their users personified social acceptance, mainly used by artists and designers. Now it seems like every bigot and jackass wants to sit at the cool kid's table. Here's a quote for those morons up top who think that Americans shouldn't complain about being treated differently because of where their parents were born, "When in Rome." If you're too stupid to understand, I'll explain; If you want to be a part of a progressive culture like Apple, understand the culture and embrace it.
That is retarded. Owning an apple product does not obligate you to any culture. Apple itself is not any kind of culture. Apple is merely a consumer electronics/software brand that doesn't give a damn about you or any culture, except the money you give them. No different than Microsoft, Sony, or any other company.
Shhhh - it makes him better to feel superior because he carries an iPhone. Don't wreck his self-image!
The bottom line is who cares if they speak Farsi or not, speaking a different language does NOT immediately mean you are from the country of origin where the language is spoken.
The customer can go to another store and buy it from there, but in reality Apple should lose the sale and the customer. Apple is NOT part of ICE and is not responsible for products purchased at retail that are then used elsewhere in the world.
So what if you work with Doctors without Boarders and your MBP fails while you are in an embargoed country, does that mean Apple shouldn't support it.
Commenters are missing the bigger picture...
Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian immigrant!
How dare he build and traffic in technology in America!
Is it coincidence that Apple's meteoric rise from the ashes did not begin until after the Bush administration lumped in Syria with the original "Axis of Evil" nations in 2003, but that the iPhone was not announced until after Condi Rice and Nancy Peolsi met with top Syrian officials in 2007?
I think not! Wake up sheeple!
Well said.
i think it's a terrible policy. i'm sorry for apple CEO.
Cant we all just get along
See you at the bottom of your pool in 20 years :lol:
( just kidding )
The comment was to Peace Police Above. For some reason my comments show up half the time, what is goin on Rene, why the ban ? :?
"The U.S. holds complete embargoes against Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria. The exportation, reexportation, sale or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States, or by a U.S. person wherever located, of any Apple goods, software, technology (including technical data), or services to any of these countries is strictly prohibited without prior authorization by the U.S. Government. This prohibition also applies to any Apple owned subsidiary or any subsidiary employee worldwide."
I am sorry for the way the retail associate handled the situation but.....the law is the law.
That is a misrepresentation of the law. The law says, "the exportation, reexportation, sale or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States, or by a U.S. person wherever located," to any of the listed countries. It doesn't prohibit the sale of US citizens from those countries. US customs would also not allow you to take these products to the listed countries, so I don't see the point of prohibiting the sale because we speak a certain language.
Its not the law, its discrimination based on race.
im from iran.idont have bomb.we did not start any war.is this human rights?we are human just like you. im sorry for .....اميدوارم روزي برسد thank you.كه صلح وآرامش در جهان برقرار شود
These kind of articles about racial profiling really bring out the ignorance and hatred toward others in people, it kind of makes me happy that companies collect this data because hopefully one day it will be public knowledge what people think about others. 'You don't like it here, go back home" is the mentality I see in this thread and to those individuals I say this: The United States was built from immigrants from day 1. Don't you EVER forget that. There is no such thing as a real American because the Europeans just came here and stole the Native people's land. "Opening ourselves to friendship, honest trade,and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity" - Ron Paul.
Dam she is hot. I would sell her anything.
Well what about speaking one of the many other languages spoken in Iran?
(list from Wikipedia)
Aimaq 170,030
Gulf Arabic 200,000
Mesopotamian Arabic 1,200,000
Armenian 170,800
Ashtiani 21,099
Assyrian Neo-Aramaic 10,00 - 20,000
Azerbaijani language 11,200,000
Bakhtiari 1,000,000 (350,000 are monolingual)
Balochi, southern 405,000
Balochi, western 451,000
Bashkardi 7,033
Brahui 10,000
Dari, Zoroastrian 8,000 to 15,000
Domari 1,338,271
Fars, northwestern 7,500
Fars, southwestern 7,500
Gazi 7,033
Georgian 60,000
Gilaki 1,265,000
Harzani 28,132
Hawrami 22,948
Hazaragi 283,000
Karingari 17,583
Kazakh 3,000
Khalaj 42,108
Kho'ini (unknown)
Khorosani Turkic 400,000
Khunsari 21,099
Koroshi 180
Kurdish, central 3,250,000
Kurdish, northern 350,000
Kurdish, southern 3,000,000
Laki 1,000,000
Luri, northern 1,500,000
Luri, southern 875,000
Mandaic 500
Mazanderani 3,265,000
Natanzi 7,033
Nayini 7,033
Parsi-Dari 350,000
Pashto, southern 113,000
Persian, western 22,500,000
Persian, eastern 1,000,000
Qashqa'i 1,500,000
Semnani 21,099
Senaya 60
Sivandi 7,033
Soi 7,033
Takestani 220,000
Talysh 112,000
Tat, Muslim 7,000
Turkmen 2,000,000
Vafsi 18,000
The 19-year-old woman is a U.S. citizen living in the country, who just happens to also speak the language spoken in a country that is the subject of a trade embargo. This would be like the Apple store refusing to sell to anyone who speaks Spanish because they might have defected from Cuba. And are Apple employees asking every Korean customer whether they were born in North or South Korea?
Good Lord I wouldn't know Farsi from pig latin! Good thing I don't work for Apple. I would be selling products to anyone walking through the door no matter what they spoke so long as they had the cashola to pay for them.
Iranians have become the world's new scapegoats. You're oppressed by the regime in Iran, once you leave Iran you're discriminated against.
This is particularly tragic since in its recent history Iran has been a victim of Western (in particular UK) politics (google for Mossadegh and the CIA coup if you're interested in details).
I know many Iranians, all of them nice and sophisticated people. I've seen many of the obstacles the West puts in your way and recently it's getting worse and worse...
I used to work at the Apple store. The policy is that we cannot sell you items if your intent is to use these items in one of the aforementioned countries. We only don't feel items if the customer distinctly mentions (or most times "admits to") the intent of taking the product to a restricted country. But we certainly would not discriminate on a customer based on anything other than their word. We have re-sellers come in the store all the time with 6 friends to each purchase 2 iPhones, and we never deny them service until they mention (or admit to) being a re-seller. This particular story was an exception, not the rule. Sad.
not "feel", I meant "sell"
Note, the video mentioned, the uncle was VISITING from Iran.
We have people from all over the world visiting our country. Should we ask for passport at cash registers and verify that the product being bought will not go to Iran , Cuba or North Korea ?
Apple can not be held responsible for selling any products to any US consumer, its not their job to control that. The only thing they are responsible for is not shipping any of their products to any of the banned countries.
Lets just go back in time and buy Blackberrys! Im sure RIM is desperate to sell you no matter who you are.
Interesting News,, the best news i have ever heard,,
Play we are play also and we are the best player ,, US policy
TWO incidents and in one of the said girl told the person she was 'from Iran'. She goes on with some talk about how it was none of his business which is what she should have told them. Or said America since she is an American. But she said "from Iran".
Yeah the guy was an idiot to not consider that refusing service for any reason would piss off the customer and is best handled by a manager from the start but based on what she told him he wasn't being racist simply because she was speaking Farsi as some blogs and such have tried to claim.
Who knows what the iPhone kid said to that sales person. He might have been trying to buy an unlocked GSM phone and also implied he was from Iran.


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