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Professor Douglas Berman participated in a debate for the opinion pages of the New York Times about ways to potentially lower the number of accidents. Berman pointed out that increasing the severity of punishment does not always lead to deterrence. Instead, he suggested shaming as a possible alternative method.
"Shaming has an established pedigree; it was widely used in colonial America," he said. "More recently, academics have debated the potential virtues and vices of modern shaming — often after a judge has ordered a shoplifter to wear a sign saying "I am a thief." Because we have rarely tried to make traffic offenders "pay" for their crimes through prominent use of shaming, I cannot confidently predict it would be more effective. But given the challenges in trying to capture the attention and obedience of busy New York City drivers, it is worthwhile to consider creative alternative punishment schemes."
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Professor Daniel Tokaji was quoted in an article from MSNBC about the battle in Ohio to create a "Voter's Bill of Rights." Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, along with other Republicans, opposes the movement, but Tokaji believes the objections are largely unfounded.
"The cited portions of the petition accurately state current Ohio law.," said Tokaji via email. "In my view, the AG's letter is really a reach."
Gay-rights suit may alter parents on birth recordsFebruary 18, 2014
Featured Expert: Marc Spindelman
Professor Marc Spindelman was interviewed for an article in the Columbus Dispatch regarding a lawsuit filed in federal court in Cincinnati seeking to challenge the state's decision to prohibit listing both members of same-sex couples on birth certificates.
Spindelman said the lawsuit is probably designed to "chip away at the prohibitions on same-sex marriage in an incremental way."
He added: "Can you treat same-sex couples lawfully married in another jurisdiction differently than a cross-sex couple for the same purposes? It seems to puts a leaden thumb on the scales in the favor of cross-sex couples."
Gay-rights suit may alter parents on birth recordsFebruary 18, 2014
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Professor Marc Spindelman was quoted in a Columbus Dispatch article about a gay-rights law suit that seeks to give same-sex couples the right to put both names on their child's birth certificate.
"Can you treat same-sex couples lawfully married in another jurisdiction differently than a cross-sex couple for the same purposes?" Spindelman asks. "It seems to puts a leaden thumb on the scales in the favor of cross-sex couples."
Outrage Over Wall St. Pay, but Shrugs for Silicon Valley?February 18, 2014
Professor Steven Davidoff wrote an op-ed for the New York Times about a perceived double-standard in public outcry between compensation on Wall Street and compensation on Silicon Valley. Davidoff argues that excess is scoffed at on Wall Street, but celebrated in Silicon Valley with no real rationale.
"Wall Street bashing ignores the fact that it is finance that produces the money for tech start-ups," he writes. "Finance may not be the sexy part of life, but it is integral to success, as much as good roads or telecommunications. And yes, finance has had its problems — but so does Silicon Valley."
Judge cited Ohio obscenity law in approving prosecutor's request to destroy rape case evidenceFebruary 9, 2014
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Abbot. Does nothing for me.
I wish I appreciated Weir more consistently. (This seems partially related to his coach tinkering with his jumps.)
hay people the Title is Skaters you want to "Like"
not skaters you like to hate
wouldn't mentioning Buttle or Lysacek be reduntant ?
Yu-Na Kim
Evan Lysacek
Stephane Lambiel
I can't warm up to the younger Russian ladies. I admire their jumps and spins but they seem bored/disinterested/robotic in their deliveries, especially Lipnitskaya, Radianova and Sotnikova. Leonova is a huge exception to the norm, as she is full of energy and excitement.
I always wanted to like Buttle, I really did. I can't even fully explain why I just never could get into him. Partly it might be because I clung to my favourites and did not like it when he beat them--I knew he was a better skater than Joubert in most ways, but he couldn't excite me the same way that Brian does (no, it's not just his arse). I always wanted Sandhu to have the kind of success that Buttle enjoyed, and though Sandhu was only ever in his own way I somehow couldn't love another national competitor the same way. So I hated to see Buttle get those great National, World and Olympic placements over them even though I didn't like that it bothered me so.
I started out loving Chan and liking Lysacek. Over time my enthusiasm for both of them waned and when I read posts from their biggest fans I could truly appreciate their talents and understood why people would defend and adore them. I agree with most of their placements over the years. I realise that my reasons for being turned off by them off-ice would not be turn-offs for me from another skater (once again, I use the example of Joubert). But they will never mean to me what an Abbott or a Takahashi mean, not close. This is even true for Yu-Na Kim and Virtue & Moir--they are amazing, but it is Mao and Davis & White that I adore.
I am embarrassed to admit that I do not always get into Volosozhar & Trankov. Last year's short program did not work for me, and though I forgive this sort of thing in Savchenko & Szolkowy I could not get past it for them. This can often be true as well for Pechalat & Bourzat, I only really root for them when I love their current programs. City Lights, love. That clock program, not so much.
I will say I do seem to have a great talent for finding the also-rans, the runner-ups and the headcases early on in their careers. Now I can only hope that some of my newer favourites don't end up in those categories and break my heart all over again.
Skaters who have artistry as their best quality
True, jumping technique may not be so important for artistry, especially when it comes to exhibition programs where skaters can do less and simpler jumps/throws (although good jumps can look beautiful too). In competition programs it's a bit different - simpler jumps/throws that are done cleanly won't spoil the impression, but numerous falls (or even one) and/or really bad landings can spoil the impression even with the most artistic skater. Beautiful and well executed lifts really add to the impression with pairs skaters/ice dancers. But, for me, skating skills are the most important part of skater's technique that really helps to express the artistry - especially with singles skaters and ice dancers. Sometimes even skaters with just okay skating skills can jump pretty well, or do really complicated lifts - but only in rare occasions that is just as artistically appealing to me as something that skaters with excellent skating skills could do. And really slow and/or ugly spins don't help with the artistic impression either . To sum it up - I do love skaters who's main quality is supposed to be their artistry, but only if their technique is on par, or almost on par with it (like Lambiel - his jumps may not be the best, but they weren't/are not the worst ether, and his triple jumps and double axel look beautiful when well executed, but his skating skills and spins were/are just wonderful). But all the technique in the world won't help if I don't see enough artistry in a skater, or if a skater just doesn't excite me.
Sorry for that huge off-topic, but I just couldn't keep from answering.
Back to the topic: Yes, it's also Chan for me. But I am starting to like him slowly (those SS, and, as for artistry/performance - he's trying ), although most likely I will never love him. Hanyu - last season it seemed so close, and I thought: "Here's a skater for me to watch in the future.". But, unfortunately, his programs for this season are a bit disappointing for me. I can't think of any other current skater whom I would want to like, but couldn't. Rather, there are some separate programs that I want to like but just can't. Weaver/Poje's new programs, for instance. I see that their FD is really good and beautiful, but it just doesn't do it for me (actually, one of the reasons is that, although the movements in it are beautiful, there is not enough of them, in my opinion). And this can happen with favorites too - I am far from ecstatic about Takahashi's new programs, although I want to like them very much. That has become a trend with Weir's programs. Sometimes I don't particularly like some program of Buttle. Now I almost dread seeing Abbott's new programs. And so on.
As for older skaters - I must say that I haven't seen everything that Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze have done, but from what I have seen I don't like them nearly as much as I feel I should. Probably I am forgetting someone else.
Fortunately, there's very little that I really, really dislike, and no one/nothing that I hate (imho, it's absolutely childish to hate a skater or a program). I either love it, like it, am okay with, or quite indifferent to it (except those cases when I don't like a favorite's or otherwise likeable skater's program as much as I want to like it - then I dislike my inability to get excited about the program more than the program itself ).
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Kiira Korpi. So pretty and so well put together but so shitty
I really wanted to like Buttle (for his many great qualities) but couldn't get into his skating (until his well-deserved WC which was awesome).
One thing that bugged me was his planned fall on the quad in 2006 olys. No, I realize he wasn't planning on falling and would have loved to have landed it but it seemed very... calculated as in "I can rotate the thing so even if I fall it will help me" (not his fault, but...)
I also wanted to like B/S and came close but the little mistakes that never went away bugged me more than they would have if their overall skill level weren't so high (and it was hard for me to get behind her 'artistry' when she seemed so affectless on and off the ice).
I wanted to like Yamaguchi as a single but there were too many others I liked more at the time and I had the feeling that USFSA was shoving her as a soloist down the public's throat. I loved her pairs skating with Galindo (and thought they had potential to revolutionize pairs had things worked out a little differently).
Those three come to mind soonest.
It might go some small way toward making you like her skating.
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Julia Lipnitskaia
Florent Amodio
Joelle Forte
Alena Leonova
Satoko Miyahara
Jeremy Ten
Nobunari Oda
...to name a few
Alena Leonova
I don't have any name to give of actual skaters.
But in the years before, I admit that Urmanov and Eldredge had amazing basics, and I'm just sad I didn't like them enough, lol.
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That's not a bad thing to imitate, in my opinion. I was very critical of Davis and White for pulling that googly eyes stuff, had they done this instead, I would've applauded them even. This is something teams should do to make sure each partner is connected to the other. It works too. Not just in ice dance.
http://visualrian.ru/ru/images/zooms/RIAN_1285325.jpg It will be good for ice dance and pairs maybe for some ladies and men with coach too on ice or off ice
Whenever people praise pre-COP dance as being much better than COP dance, I really wonder what I'm missing. Because I thought pre COP dance had Fusar-Poli/Margaglio, Lobacheva/Averbukh, and Bourne/Kraatz as a string of world champions, and that a really bad thing to remember.
i think this could help to any team to breath together in the same rythm.
But in this case - did Shpilband understand, that copy is worst then original? This beautifull team could find there own way and not try to look like Tessa and Scott
You know, i am glad, that at least Shpilband teams get levels 2 for there SS. I tired from all that - without Shpilbans V-M lost all there trchnick
I've been checking back through GS's old articles, and thought Tessa & Scott fans might enjoy a look back at a younger Tessa & Scott
In 2003, when they were juniors (and they were already Crowd Pleasers )
And 2009, as an Olympic season preview
Thanks for posting those Doris, especially the 1st one......what typical kids. Scott mentioning he only does ballet to help the skating , and Tessa the dresses. This was around the time I became a fan of theirs
Addicted to FSU
That's so cute! Wish there were videos of them from the 2002-03 JGP or nationals.
Thanks for the articles.
Love this from the first article
They don't have a definite timetable for the future, with Moir noting, "We take each year as it comes."
Sounds familiar!
Is someone able to translate this better than Google Translate?
I can tell you, that Staviisky said in his opinion V-M have best programs this season and nobody could be close to them even if all see they have some technikal problems this season. He prise Carmen really high.
And Zhulin said Camen i very good, new, interesting. But V-M couldnt show it in best light and have some technika problems.
Guys, did someone have link to V-M interview after FD at CoR? And maybe SD?
I actually loved B&K's Adagio FD and they also benefitted from the fact that A&P had retired and L&A practically gave away the title with their FD so B&K were able to take advantage of being the next in line. There were some excellent teams right behind them but those teams (DenStavs, DelShoes and D&L) hadn't really become as good as they would be. Well, I thought that DenStavs programs from 01/02 and 02/03 were better than they were given credit for. Especially DenStavs' Baroque OD.
Also pre-CoP we had (going backwards) A&P, K&O, Grishuk/Platov, U&Z, Moniotte/Lavanchy, Rahkamo/Kokko, Annenko/Stretenski, Drobiasko/Vanagas, Silverstein/Pekarek, Sharutenko/Naumkin and Romanuite/Barantsev among others.
Of course what you felt about those teams and their program choices would influence whether or not you agree with icedance being better (in some ways) pre-CoP. Up until now especially post Vancouver, I just don't think that the SD's or FD's have been at the same level of a number of the programs of the recent and distant past. While techncially more challenging, most post 09/10 programs were more like the singles programs; connect the elements with forgettable content.
All this is naturally INHO.
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Do you have any information about the documentary that is supposed to be filmed about Teassa and Scott. Are they still filming it or is it already finished?
Personally I like ice dance better from 1996-2004 than 2004-2012. (I'm not even going to include teams like U&Z, T&D, and K&P because it's not fair to compare less than 10 years of CoP to the entire history of ice dancing before CoP.) From 2004-12 the only all time great couples, for me, were Denkova/Staviyski and Virtue/Moir, and DenSta's aesthetic is really developed from their 6.0 days anyway so for me the issue is that V&M actually transcend the new system rather than the new system being better. And one of the reasons I like V&M so much is that they have the qualities that I find missing in many skaters under the new system: the ability to interpret music and different dances, beautiful positions, matching lines, lifts and footwork that go with the music, emotion, and even voids now. I couldn't care less about their twizzles, although they are really great.
As you mentioned "what you might be missing," I will point out the two things that really stand out for me as being different in this era. You don't have to agree, but maybe this will shed some light on why those of that prefer 6.0 feel this way.
-The ODs were sooo much better during that period IMO. Watch FP&M's 2000 OD; it's better than anything in 2006 or 2012 by far when it comes to ballroom authenticity (if not elements). Watch L&A's jive from 1998. They actually had room to breathe and add in steps that worked with the music. These teams always had great ODs and were able to interpret all styles of music. I also loved L&A's foxtrot/quickstep, tango/flamenco, and waltz. FP&M were also particularly good in the jive and the foxtrot/quickstep, but were really good at everything.
-I really miss the days when the lower ranked teams were as entertaining as the top teams. I can look at the waltz OD in 1999 or the Spanish OD in 2002 and I like almost every single couple's interpretation; now I'm lucky if I find 3-5 dances I like per year. Lower ranked teams like Winkler & Lohse, Lang & Tcherynshev, Dubreil & Lauzon, Drobiazko & Vanagas, Chait & Sakhnovsky all had their own very distinctive styles and interesting programs. Nowadays the lower ranked teams are more about finding a nice song and then working on having the best elements they can do. Very few take creative risks.
I can agree that a lot of the skaters on the list are not as good of skaters as the CoP skaters. That's the trade off. Under the CoP both partners have to be good, you have to have difficult lifts and execute them well, you have to have difficult steps and actually hit the edges to make them count, you have to have difficult variations on the twizzles... and some of the 6.0 teams would have struggled with that. However, the contrast to that is the rules were looser and they had the freedom to come up with lifts and footwork that made them look good, while fitting the music and theme, and I think they had more time between the elements to do choreography. That's why many of us prefer the old style, but a technique purist might prefer today's ice dance better because both partners can actually skate.
Also one thing to keep in mind with the specific teams you mentioned (FP&M, L&A, and B&K) is that was a transition period in ice dance. It wasn't CoP, but they were just starting to include twizzles, spins, and no touch footwork sequences. They probably hadn't a clue that they would ever need to do those things to be considered good ice dancers, and didn't have time to catch up technically before they retired.
Sorry for the long post... I never miss the opportunity to go on a tangent about old school ice dance...


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For the batter
2 cups multipurpose flour
2 cups water
1 cup coconut milk ( I used half packet of coconut powder)
1 egg
1 tespn salt
A little tumeric powder to colour the batter yellow
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1 cup minced meat
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AT&T rolling back upgrade eligibility dates for next iPhone?
We have some good news for those of you who are AT&T customers as it appears the carrier is rolling back upgrade eligibility dates for early adopters of last years iPhone 3GS. I have been keeping an eye on my upgrade date online for the past two weeks waiting for it to change from 11/20 with no luck just yet but a MobileCrunch reader has noticed a change to their account.
"Not sure if anyone [..] has noticed this same thing, but my Upgrade Eligibility date on my AT&T account switched from 11/21 to 6/21 in the last day or so. I bought a 3GS on launch day last year, and my upgrade date read 11/21 since then. A few other folks in my office have noticed the same changes happening to their accounts as well."
Could Monday June 21st be the actual release date of the next iPhone? We are leaning towards no considering his original update was 11/21 while mine is 11/20 and based off that assumption, my upgrade date should change to 6/20 which falls on a Sunday. All of the speculation will come to an end at WWDC in the beginning of June. Until then, check your accounts to see if any changes have been made and let us know in the comments below!
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I'm sure it depends on how much money one gives them each month.
I'll be able to upgrade my 3G. So excited. Hope this update is better then the 3GS
Mine just was rolled back from Late 2011 to 6/14/2010.
Super sweet, I can write it off also.
Mine changed from late February 2011 to 6/24/10.
I was told by an at&t represenative that it's gonna be available on the 18th of June.
I'm pretty sure it'll stay with AT&T after all (:
My dad and I are on a family share plan, we both bought the 3GS when it came out, and our upgrade dates were both moved to 6/20
Mine rolled back last year as well. Plus I did notice on mine like two weeks ago that it had jumped from November to June. I guess this could mean something.
Mine says June 20
craps, still at 11/20 for me. I got a 3Gs launch week at discounted pricing (399) not upgrade pricing.
Mine still says 7/26
Mine just says an error has occured and I have to call a 800 number to find out...to lazy to do that right now :(
I bought a 3GS back when it first came out at discount price (not upgrade price) and mine still says i can't upgrade untill March 2011=(
mine says 2/20/11. I bought my 3gs on launch day. my bill is $300 a month and i work through the premiere site.
They definately changed upgrade dates, I was eligible for my upgrade in May of 2011 and I just checked now and i'm now eligible in December 17, coincedentilly I activated my acct on Dec 16th. So it will have been a full year and they usually wait till a year and a half fr from the activatation date. Good info to know since I work at a Radioshack and we sell the iPhone. It will help us close much easier.
I bought the 3g on October 1, 2008 so I should be due for a new phone until the end of September. However, I just checked and my date has been moved up to 6/2, nearly 4 months earlier and several weeks before WWDC.
I know in the past that people on corp. accounts were able to upgrade every year.
If not I'll upgrade on someone elses's line on the account.
I bought my 3g on 3/1/09 and mine still says 11/02/10. Not sure if they just didn't get to all of them yet.
Mine still shows 11/20 :(
Oh, and I got my 3gs on launch day as well...
i got my 3gs on launch date and my upgrade date got moved to 6/19 SWWWWWWEEEEETTTT!!!!
Ever since I checked mine 6 months ago, mine has always said that I can get an iPhone upgrade on 6-19-2010. So I wouldn't put any stock on that being the release date unless they decided that date 6 months ago.
I'm so hoping Rogers or Robers rather, will follow AT&T's lead and allow me to upgrade my 3GS to the new iPhone also.
Any word on what Canadian companies (ie. Rogers, Fido, Bell and Telus) are doing Rene or anyone else at tipb?
My line was always eligible every 12 mos because mine is the primary and our bill is high enough (our bill is 211$ a month after tax for 5 lines :S)
But the g/f's line has a 3GS (got them the same day, like every year, on iDay) - hers still says Feb 2011 as of right now.
Mine still shows October 2010
I hate AT&T's web site. I'm on the phone now with an AT&T CSR. She can't find the upgrade link on the web site, either, but she told me my contract date is Feb 2011. I also have an air card that expires at the end of this month, but I'm going to cancel it.
No 6/10 for me yet, we'll see
I traded out my 3G to the 3GS in July of last year and it says mid December for upgrade. With the trade in that I got at Flipswap, plus the AT&T upgrade price it only cost me about $40 to trade up to the 3GS. Was hoping to flip it again, but perhaps not.
I bought mine on sept 4th and my phone is upgrade eligible on sept 4th 2010. However my wifes says 5 4 2011. That normal for iPhones? Only the main line gets it?
Oh, and by the way. Could this be a sign from AT&T that their 5 year deal did change and they are trying to lock everyone into a 2 year contract before the iphone hits other carriers?
Just a thought to stir the pot.
mine still saying 04/13/2011
mine is 1 May 2011. I bought the 3GS at full price. what gives?
Check your upgrade eligibility
- Dial NEW# (639#) on your phone.
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got the 3GS on launch date, upgrade for 6/19/10. kool !!!
Mine says 7/3/10... like it always has
WTF I got a 3gs on launch day and mine is still a year or so away. But how did others have theirs rolled back?!?
I bought my 3gs on July 4th last year and it says I am currently eligible for an upgrade
Actually it's *639#
Got my 3G in April of 09 and it still says my upgrade is in Dec 2010. I'm so sad. I hope my date moves up.
My wife and I were eligible sometime in July. I am now eligible on 6/20, and my wife on 6/26.
calm down. My guess is they're slowly updating this and you'll see a change in a near future.
I have 2 3GS phones , both bought on release date last June.
Right now ONE of them says elgible 6/19. The other one says 2/11/2011. They both used to say Feb 2011. I'm thinkin within the next week or so BOTH will say 6/19
Hey chris both of ur lines dropped to earlier dates? Anyone else have 2 lines and have both their dates change?
That's lame I bought a 3g in 12/08 and my upgrade month is still 8/10.... Lame if people who have a 3gs can upgrade before me haha :/
I bought my 3GS on launch day and mine still says 7/21/10 why won't it change!!!
My brother in law was in August, and he still is in August. Technically, he should be eligible now since he bought his iphone without the discount, but we never called customer service to rectify it.
I actually have 5 lines on my account, 3 of which with iPhone (mine, wife, brother in law). We both moved up, my brother in law didn't.
@Dodger13 ur just same as me lol, i got 3g and i can upgrade in august.
Ok so just checked, I hve 3 iPhones on my account..
my 3g purchased 12/08
my mothers 3gs purchased 6/09 (launch date)
my sisters 3gs purchased 7/09
the funny thing is that
my 3g upgrade date is 8/10
my mothers 2/11
my sisters 7/10
so what gives my sister who purchased her iPhone last of us all gets to upgrade before all of us.
I bought mine the first day it launched... my eligibility upgrade says that i am eligible on feb 20, 2011... it hasnt changed for me yet, but hopefully it does coz i want the new iPhone!!!
I brought my 3GS in Jan of this year and I am eligible for an upgrade June of next year...so I will be ready for iPhone5...lol
boy att sure makes it difficult eh?
This is my first time coming up on upgrading w/ att. In the past i was with verizon and its pretty clear. Everyone has random dates it seems. Anyone know what the actual policy is for family plan upgrades with iphones?
I bought my 3GS on launch day and I'm already eligible to upgrade. In addition they say they will waive my activation fee! :) 4th generation iPhone here I come! :)
bought my 3g last March. Here's my message "A full discount on a standard handset or iPhone upgrade is not available at this time but you may qualify on 11/25/2010. We can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price with a 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee.". I pay $130/ month
Verizon here I come.
I bought a 3G in 3/09 and my date is still 8/10. No changes for me. I don't understand how people who purchased a 3GS after me are getting rolled back before me? ATT better make this right!
Straight up.. If not I will be calling there customer service and complaining till someone gives.
Got my 3G April 09 and I've been eligible on 09/15/10 from day one. Hope this changes in time. It's BS if those who have a 3GS(launch or not) become eligible before me.
"As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price, along with a 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. Please proceed with the online upgrade process for pricing details. You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 06/20/2010."
Cool. I bought the 3GS on its launch date. Don't tell them but I was going to get the new iPhone anyway.
I am being screwed by att i suppose because I have a phone that became eligible on april the 12th. That iphone 3g account was activated in August of 2008... A second line, an iphone 3gs was bought on launch date (and stolen a few weeks ago) and for the NEW line it states:
"take advantage of our no commitment pricing. Additional discounts may be available on 02/20/2011"
blah blah blah... so in other words, no early upgrade for me.
I work for the company and we roll back dates the more your monthly bill is. Not based upon when the iPhone allegedly launches. And no matter what AT&T rep tells you, we have NO CLUE when the phone is coming out.
I preordered my 3GS and got it on launch day and my upgrade date has been 6/19/2010 for a while. I'm on the premier site and my bill is over 100/month.
then explain the fact that my bill has been around $150-$200 for nearly TWO YEARS.
ATT has been ok customer service wise, but when i asked about that at one point they said its automated by a calendar, when I mentioned how much I pay, they said that did not matter.
Go figure.
I snagged a 3G on launch day 2008 and 3GS on launch day 2009. I used to have 11/20 but now I have 6/20/2010.
Maybe they're doing this because a Verizon iPhone is on the horizon? Attempt to lock customers in before they have a choice?
And it looks like they MIGHT be only offering to those whose last iPhone was purchased with a full upgrade - because, they may be reasoning, if someone paid extra to upgrade early in the past, we might be able to get them to do it again . . .
As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a reduced discount, along with a 2-year commitment. Our records indicate that you will be eligible for an upgrade to an iPhone at a discounted price on 06/22/2010
So discounted prices??? What's that going to run us???
7/18/10 year after i got my 3gs this is gonna be cool
My wife and I both got iPhone original on launch day. Two years later(last year), we both got 3Gs upgrades. Now, I am eligible for upgrade on 6/20/10, and she is eligible on 2/11/11. Boy, she's gonna be pissed when I get the new hotness on launch day, and she has to wait 8 months!! Maybe it will change by June. If not, she will have to learn to live with disappointment!
My Date changed to "You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 06/20/2010"
As I said in comment number 4, I was moved up big time to 06/14/2010. Here is what the text message outputs:
You may select equipment at our full retail pricing. An upgrade may be available on 06/14/2010.
How do I check my upgrade date?
The AT&T rep who posted here explained it best. There have always been different upgrade dates for people depending on other factors, including your monthly bill. I doubt what people have been seeing has anything to do with the upcoming iPhone. We have two lines, and the first line is on a one year cycle (which happens to be eligible 6/20/10 since we bought a 3GS on that line on launch day, 6/19/10). The second line is upgrade eligible after 20 months, which I believe is the standard.
My understanding is that if you spend a certain undisclosed amount, your upgrade cycles may be shorter than the standard 20-24 months. I have asked customer service about it, but haven't received much information, so I don't think everyone at AT&T even knows what the criteria are. I have been told by AT&T that it isn't possible to have a line eligible after a year, even though I can verify that isn't the case and have seen many others report that as well.
It seems to be more than just the dollar amount spent on a line. It may be that they take into account the voice plan, but do not count things like data and texting. I have also heard that they look at the average charges on a line over a few months, which may be why people are seeing their upgrade dates change. I think it's a coincidence that this is in anticipation of the next iPhone launch, or it may be just that people are thinking about upgrades now and checking their eligibility.
To @Diggidi - no one knows yet what the pricing of a new iPhone will be. What you are seeing about discounts and reduced discounts is their rather confusing wording about the types of upgrades. What they currently have is a full discount with a new two year contract, generally equivalent to new customer pricing, a "reduced discount" or "early upgrade" which is somewhere between the full retail price and the upgrade price but still requires a new two year contract, and "no commitment" pricing, which offers no discount, but no requirement to sign a new contract either. They clarified the early upgrade pricing with the launch of the 3GS last year, I'm sure in response to all of the people who were upset that they couldn't upgrade their 3G to a 3GS.
This has all probably been a bit of a nightmare to AT&T, who pre-iPhone could keep people happy by giving them their 24 month upgrade (with some cheapie free phone) a couple of months early. Now they have a large vocal customer base fully expecting that they will be able to upgrade their expensive smartphone every year, and furious if they can't.
I am furious with AT&T. I have the original iPhone from 2007 and since I moved to another state last year, AT&T changed my contract when all I requested was an area code number change. They are saying it is a "relocation" and now nothing can be done. My "new" contract expires 8/2011. According to AT&T they will not change my eligibility.
My original upgrade date was 07/01/2011, however, last summer I was tossed into my pool with my month old iPhone 3GS, so I was forced to buy another on 07/31. Now my "updated" upgrade date is 08/01/2010. Not too bad. I'm sure I'll figure out a way to get the new phone sooner.
I upgraded from a 2007 iPhone to a 3GS on launch day last year. I am on a business discounted pricing plan so I guess that's why mine is stuck in Feb 2011...
"As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a reduced discount, along with a 2-year commitment. Our records indicate that you will be eligible for an upgrade to an iPhone at a discounted price on 02/21/2011."
Kind of disappointed in this as I would like a new one this year but I guess that's the price I pay for getting the discount each month. :-(
Mine rolled back to june 18 or so. Don't know when it happened, but I was adding a line and accidentally clicked upgrade. Thought they were asking for the main account holder's number (it was a third party retailer) and they spit back out that I wasn't eligible for an upgrade until June. Much to my surprise.
Dubbdee, I am on a business discount and I got the rollback. Perhaps it's related to how much your bill is or perhaps it's slowly rolling out. It may be that it only affects American accounts if you live elsewhere.
@dubdee: Same thing for me, I get a discounted rate from my college and my upgrade date is 2/21/2011..
"As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a reduced discount, along with a 2-year commitment. Our records indicate that you will be eligible for an upgrade to an iPhone at a discounted price on 02/21/2011"
Sucks. :(
Gus if you didn't get a new phone when you relocated you are eligible for a new phone. I would call back and speak to someone else and explain that you never received a new phone when you relocated, you were eligible a long time ago. From what I understand you don't have to get a phone at the time of signing the contract and you can save your eligibility for later use.
Bought iPhone 3g 5/24/09 then AT&T let me switch it for 3gs on launch for no additional price. And Now my upgrade is for 5/20/10 yahh I'm gunna buy this with graduation money and sell my jailbroken and unlockable 3gs on eBay so I'm gunna get a 4 gen and money to !
mine still says 11/20.. I have been an early adopter of every iPhone since The 2.5G iPhone.. so hopefully I will get this one on launch day..
My wife and I bought a 3GS a week after launch. We have a family plan and her date was moved down to 6/25 while mine is still 2/25/2011. I'm hoping they haven't updated every number yet.
Bought mine for the 2nd tier discounted price ($599 for 32GB) a few days after launch day for the 3GS...upgrade eligibility date remains at 12/8/2010. I'm on the bare minimum 450 plan with the bare minimum 200 text messages.
Not like I'll be able to afford it by Mid June anyway...TV upgrade was more important for me this year, otherwise I would have saved some tax refund money. I'll probably be waiting until my eligibility date. I'm pretty happy with my 3GS at this point. An upgrade would be nice, but isn't essential. My phone runs quite nice. The upgrade from the 3G was a big one, as it ran a bit sluggish while jailbroken. I have no such issue with my 3GS.
OK, so bought the 3G for $99 in Sept. 2009. The full text of my situation from AT&T is:
"A full discount on a standard handset or iPhone upgrade is not available at this time but you may qualify on 05/07/2011. We can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price with a 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. Please visit a participating iPhone sales location for pricing on this offer."
So, how much is the discount going to be? An $18 one-time-charge I can always live with.
got my 3gs off discount in late june/early july last year. my upgrade date is now 6/15. Cool?
Mine still shows 11/20 2010 I upgraded from 2G iPhone last July to the 3GS 32GB ... will keep an eye out.
this is probably a hoax to get everyone excited. My friend said he was one of the first to get a 3gs and nothing has changed. I think its all fake info.
Is ATT doing this because there may be a verizon iPhone coming soon???????????
Got my 3G 5/31/09. I know should have waited.... eligible for an upgrade 2/1/2011.
I'll keep looking to see if this changes (no change as of this morning) but I'm not holding out hope. With the discount and the lowest possible package I probably don't send them enough cash for them to justify giving me the upgrade.
Well after a phone call and email AT&T has me all set and ready to go - they must really want to keep me and my family on board - I have never seen them bend over backwards so quickly for anything.
that 639# thing didn't work for me! >:(
Mine used to be set for the end of December - now it's changed over to 9/7/10. WOO WHOO!
@Jimmy it's *639#
It's dependent upon how much you spend into your contract per phone, per month. [$69,$99]/mo, 24 mos; ($99,∞)/mo, 12-18 mos.
I have an upgrade eligible at the end of May. I think I orginally bought my iphone a while ago but I got it replaced once already at a discount for 200 only 6 months ago and I can upgrade really soon. I am not sure if the dates are random or what but I am not complaining
Same here..my upgrade elibility date says 11/19/10 but I am not as luck as some of you are...it is still the same...
I got my 3G in December of 2008 and my upgrade is still august of this year. That's bull!
Dear Mr. Slater,
Thank you for taking the time to e-mail AT&T regarding upgrade dates changing for your friends and family, to June, to be able to get the new iPhone. I understand your frustration, and apologize for any error regarding this. My name is Beki Chappell, and I will be happy to review your account.
After reading your email, I have researched and been unable to locate any information on the release of a new iPhone, or any changes to the upgrade dates of the contracts, to upgrade to this new device, if and when it is released.
To be eligible for a fully discounted phone upgrade, a minimum of 18 of the 24 months of the contract, would have to be completed. For your account, this would be on 02/19/11.
Again, we thank you for allowing us the opportunity to assist you with your account, Mr. Slater. If we can be of further assistance, please contact us at http://www.att.com/wireless. Should you have additional concerns or questions about this issue please reply to this email. If you need to contact us again regarding a new issue please send us a new email via the contact link through your online account. As always, thank you for choosing AT&T!
Beki Chappell
Online Customer Care Professional
Okay. Here's what i did. I got an I-Phone 3G on the date that the 3Gs came out in June 2009 because my dad didn't think it was necessary and neither did I. Well it says I'm eligible for an upgrade in 2/21/11. That's complete bull because I called AT&T and they said that an upgrade contract ends in 12-18 months making it okay for you to upgrade after what it is. Well that's 20 months not 18 making me ineligible for the iphone 4 upgrade which really pisses me off because i'm stuck with a iphone 3g that is running the new os 4 software extremely badly. I just want to know why it isn't 18 months like they said it was when i called. AT&T really pisses me off.
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weird headline, is it still mostly about Gracie Gold ?
Blame Vagabond who started both threads!
Re-posting the link to the Champs Camp article on Ashley Wagner, Christina Gao, and Agnes Zawadzki: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news
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"Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isnt every four years, its every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden
thats nice more competitions for Gracie
Nice to see the top US Ladies going for the 3-3 combo's now. They see the writing on the wall that they need them if they hope to compete against the top Ladies. That's why it was frustrating the last couple years watching some of the top US Ladies like Mirai and Rachael and Ashley not pushing themselves technically and being happy with it. Alissa at least was planning too do a 3-3 last season even though it didn't pan out but at least she was ambitious. Now there is no choice. How things can change in just a couple years.
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The thing that frustrated me most about Rachael was that her level of technical ability was not the same season to season. Her triple-triples went MIA 2010-2011 and partially in 2008-2009.
Wagner talked about 3-3's but did not consistently try them in competitive programs. I think Mirai ran into similar issues as Flatt...IIRC, she had foot problems two yrs ago during the summer, (and IIRC, she showed up at Champs Camp with a boot/walking cast on her foot and did not do programs...so, as an aside, wonder why Evan was not required to do the same thing...whatever). I think the foot problems for Mirai hampered her attempts for 3-3's as well.
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^ Yes, I was so angry that in 2010-2011, Rachael wasn't doing anything but skating, and her triple-triples went MIA the whole season and all they talked about was a triple lutz-triple loop combo which she never even attempted the whole season.
As for Mirai, Frank kept on watering down her programs. I remember looking at the protocols at Nationals this year and they decided to only go for a double axel-double toe in the LP, unlike her previous seasons. And last season, Mirai was injury free. Maybe we'll see some upgraded content this season.
At some point, I think there is a point where the athlete is dealing with daily aches and pains from training, and their bodies just won't allow them to go beyond what they can currently do without inflicting more pain. So, the coaches look for other options...and perhaps that is "watering down" a program, so that the skater can successfully perform it. (Thinking Carolina Kostner a few seasons back when she wasn't doing flips or lutzes). On the other hand, I think Mirai and Rachael both dealt with reoccuring injury issues and just could not "up" the technical content any further. There is also a huge mental piece of the puzzle that comes into play....and if the skater doesn't have enough repetitions under their feet to do a more difficult element, it probably isn't going to happen in competition. And, add nagging injury issues to that. I think Ashley has had other issues ....correcting jumping technique (two footing, etc) that has been part of the process for her in terms of doing the 3-3s. Mr Nicks has had to break down her jump technique, to allow her to clean up the first triple, in order to be able to take off/vault properly for the second jump. So, will be interesting to see how the season progresses.
Perhaps next time the thread title should be "desparately seeking Kween" or something like that
"Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isnt every four years, its every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden
:/ Did Tom Z ever get some official scrutiny thrown his way re: the worlds debacle? I felt it was terribly unfair for Rachael to be the only one fined, or at least publicly fined, when her coach had supervised a very similar situation two months before (Josh Farris at nationals).
And, speaking of Rachael, is there any news from champs camp about her? She is there, yes?
Lam and Cain finished 4th and 5th at the JGP in France. Vanessa scored 140.89 and Ashley 136.51. If USFS was intelligent neither would get a 2nd event and Long and Edmunds would be sent out to the next available event, but I wouldn't be surprised if they both get 2nd assignments and one or both of Barbie and Polina lucks out .
Anyways, this was the point I was making about Lam. In domestic competitions, she scores very well. In international competitions, however, she rarely breaks 6s for PCS, and that combined with her jumps that garner no +GOE, no 3-3, and her tendency to make a couple mistakes in her programs means she's unlikely to really make it as a senior internationally. I mean, this wasn't that deep of a field, she was one of the oldest skaters in the field, and she failed to medal, placing behind two complete unknown youngsters. Maybe with a jump overhaul she could really go places, but idk...


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A commercial was aired today that has faces and names of some of the contestants. Most unfortunately, the brother of Russell Hantz (from Survivor) is on this season
Is that the brother who is the father of the one who was on the show? If it is, I recall he was more like Russell, a hard gamer, and nothing like the troubled nephew.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry that another Hantz has been cast on a CBS reality show. I guess Amazing Race will be next!
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Are we supposed to act surprised if when Rachel walks through the door?
LIVE interviews on WeLoveBigBrother now!!!
Videos can also be seen after LIVE interviews are done.
I was watching HGTV last night and saw a commercial for a new show - 'Natural Born Sellers' - about some realtors. I actually had to rewind it, as it looks like a couple looking for a place to buy and yes it was Rachel and Brandon.
I was looking at the site above and the picture of 'Willie' Hantz is not the brother of Russel/father of whats his name, but some young guy, long hair.
Yes, the moderation can be considered militant. But, it's really just a a matter of having a common sense of respect. You can not bash another poster, and that is a big reason it's a great place. Where it gets dicy is you have to choose your words carefully when discussing the houseguests. You can't diss them any more than you would a fellow poster. You can't call them names, or give them clever nicknames pertaining to how you feel about them. You can call them out on their behavior though, as long as you leave the namecalling on the cutting room floor. Follow those simple guidlines, and you'll get along famously there.
There's a Wil and a Willie, and a JoJo, Joe and Jodi. Seriously, how are the feedsters supposed to keep track of HOH, late night and whispered conversations when they potentially don't know who is being talked about, and how are the rest of us to keep track when they get it wrong??
Flatfoote, I got several warnings from the mods at tvclubhouse during Jordan's first season!
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Just got finished reading all the bios.
Hard to pick a favorite just from words but I really like Ian, the young engineering student from Tulane. And my personal favorite occupation is "Spray Tanner" for Ashley. I want to be a spray tanner. Do you have to go to school for that!?
I liked most of them from their interviews, but I'm sure I'll grow to despise most of them before the summer is up.
I thought it was funny that the We Love Big Brother interviewer had no clue who Russell Hantz is.
Returnees: Love Janelle, Dan and Britney (although she really can only mentor on how to give good diary room and get screwed over by a boy). Hate Boogie.
Yet I still keep watching and will practically live in this thread.
Yes, which means Boogie will end up being the last one standing.Returnees: Love Janelle, Dan and Britney (although she really can only mentor on how to give good diary room and get screwed over by a boy). Hate Boogie.
After watching the interviews, I like them all so far. If I had to pick favorites, I'd go with Ashley, Kara, Willie, Frank and Wil.
I hope returnees are Janelle, Britney and Dan. I like them all. I can't stomach Boogie though.
Oh, my mistake.
Okay, added this to my dvr. If rachel shows up (not looking likely, which is good) I am turning it off immediately.


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- Hundreds attend Howard graveside services Several hundred men, women and children attended the 11 a.m. Saturday graveside services for Moulton native Staff Sgt. Robert E. "Bobby" Howard at Sunset View Cemetery north of Moulton.Pastor Brian Hargrave officiated. Hargrave talked about why we co
Solicitation ordinance at a standstill
The Centerville City Council during a special meeting Thursday at City Hall did not pass the second reading of an ordinance that will modify city code to prevent solicitation of funds on city streets.
Instead, the council voted 3-2 to ...
Graveside services for Staff Sgt. Robert E. Howard
Graveside services were held Saturday morning at Sunset View Cemetery just north of Moulton for Staff Sgt. Robert E. Howard.
American flags for Robert E. Howard
At least 200 men, women and children came to the Centerville Fire Department firehouse at 2 p.m. Friday to participate in placing more than 2,000 American flags along the route from Centerville to Sunset View Cemetery just north of Moulton, the place where Moulton native Staff Sgt. Robert E. Howard will be laid to rest Saturday at 11 a.m.
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MY Favorite and only Nickelback Moment was when they came to New Brunswick July .7th 2012.The Best Show i have ever been too Especially at Magnetic Hill in Moncton NB . I went and seen the rolling stones and ac/dc when they came but you guys really rocked this venue . Even in the Rain , Daniel Adairs Drum solo was amazing, I truly believe Canadians are the best rockers in the world and look forward to seeing Nickelback again !
My favourite memory of Nickelback is when I was goung through living hell with life in an abusive relationship of which I was pregnant in and miscarried and was feeling like theres no hope for .eanymore so I should just commit suicide and everything be fine. Then the song Lullaby came out and everything changed. I was free. Nickelback has been a huge part of my life since I was 9, then they saved it when I was at rock bottom. Then for my first concert ever I saw them in Vancouver June 2012.
My absolutely favorite Nickelback moment for sure was the concert in Cologne for sure! It was amazing, smashing and still today I tell everyone it had been the best day of my life! You guys are so awesome and I really can't wait for you to come back so I can see you again. I still can't believe I've had seen you this day!