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[UPDATED] Can we get much wider? Canon EF 11-24mm F4 L USM samples gallery posted
[UPDATED] We were curious to see how the new Canon 11-24 F4 performed on a high resolution sensor, so we've updated our gallery with some landscapes and aperture progressions taken on a 36MP Sony a7R with a Metabones adapter. Though performance at extremes of the frame may not be representative of that on a native body, the 11-24 doesn't disappoint. Have a look at the new shots on the 3rd page of our gallery.
Canon's new EF 11-24mm F4 L wideangle zoom lens is Canon's widest ever rectilinear zoom by some margin, and might even challenge Nikon's venerable 14-24mm F2.8 as the tool of choice for landscape, property and architectural photographers.
The lens is constructed from 16 elements in 11 groups. Four of those elements are aspherical, one is of ultra low-dispersion glass and another is 'super' ultra low-dispersion. External elements are fluorine coated, while inside surfaces have sub-wavelength structure coatings to minimize internal reflections that cause flare and ghosting. If all of this makes your heart race you'll know exactly how we felt when a reviewable sample arrived in our office last week.
See our Canon EF 11-24mm F4 L USM samples gallery
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You guys should have a pint and sort it out in the car park.
I have it. I use it. It's a very good lens. Very sharp. Because of it's very wide angle you have to watch for flare while shooting in the direction of the sun. The lens renders his maximum optical rectilinear rendition used on a tripod.
And moon flare, as I noticed when recently trying a hand at astrophotography.
I know that you have to be aware about flare!!! Also about taking pictures in the direction of the sun... so for a full moon it wan't be any different... but it offers amazing possibilities in landscape and architecture! Its also very sharp and I noticed that you do not need the use of a polarizer on this lens.
I though of it but then I got myself a 12mm Voigtlander for $700. Maybe not as good but it does not disappoint on a A7RII with a BSI. For a fraction of the cost and size/weight.
I did exactly same thing! Love it. It has a learning curve but worth it!
Property and Architecture? It better have very low distortion! So far, the only choice is the Sigma 12-24 Mark I, which has the best distortion control over any wide-angle lens. Downside is resolution is not that good.
Funny thing about the Sigma mk1 on my Canons, on the 1DsmkIII despite micro adjusting it never looked sharp. On my 1Dx mkI, it looks a different beast altogether bolted straight on, good enough to cure me of buying the Canon.
I know it's not the same megapixels but the difference is astonishing.
I had the Nikon version when I was using a D610. It is a very straight lens, but the focus is tricky! When focusing at infinity, I find the borders much sharper when I set the focus ring at the hyperfocal instead of infinity
Seems to me that canon hasnt done squat in years and now their way of trying to make a stand again, is by releasing overkill and overpriced gear. If i had $4k to spend on a lens. the 11-24 would be the last thing id consider. Id go for the otus.
Curious to see what the 5Ds/r turns out to be and how much its gonna cost. Also find it quite funny how the MP count is all Canon is trying to push to consumers.
I love ultra wide lens and even the 14mm L mk2 is an extremely difficult lens to master. For landscape, you better have an outstanding foreground because everything else such as the horizon etc will look small and almost impossible to shoot without grad filters.
Notice on the sample gallery how the horizon looked small, even if you have spectacular cloud formations and light, they will look small. So shooting at 11mm you better have a knockout foreground that is one in a million to make the shot at 11mm.
If your thing is spectacular light during both twilights, sunrise and sunsets, filters are a must. I have to use the Hitech Lucroit on my 14mm Mk2 L, as much as I am keen on this else, I will wait until there are filters to fit this behemoth of a lens.
If filters were an absolute 'must' for such 11mm shots of horizons at sunset, then we wouldn't have been able to get that shot of the 3 rocks in the water pictured above (or here) in one shot, now would we have? :)
Thankfully, with better sensor technology, we can get these sorts of shots without grad ND filters, and by shooting Raw. You just need a camera with a lot of dynamic range (like the a7R used here), and some post-processing prowess.
The resulting image will look very dark on the back of the camera (b/c you've had to expose to not clip highlights), but you'll be able get all the shadow information back in post.
Cameras with 'flat' picture profile options then have the advantage of making that very dark exposure look correct right on your camera's LCD, by doing drastic shadow lifts for you.
For full disclosure, though, a grad ND filter might still be a better way to make an image like the one above, b/c by holding back highlights, you can increase the exposure on the shadows. This'll always yield cleaner shadows than underexposed shadows that have had to be pushed, even with high dynamic range cameras. This is b/c the shorter your exposure, the more shot noise, so you always benefit from collecting more light.
But a shot like the one above also doesn't have offensive noise in those rocks, so is perfectly acceptable. Grad ND filters of course have the disadvantage of potentially degrading your image (b/c of the resin), and darkening things you don't want darkened, b/c you don't have a perfect line of a horizon (cityscapes, for example).
So there are pros/cons to using/not using filters. Reason I bring all this up is b/c: it's no longer absolutely true that you absolutely need filters for 'spectacular' twilight light. Sensors have come a long way.
In film days I was a dyed-in-the-wool grad filter user, but come digital, I actually preferred the look of post-processing. My photoshopped images looked more natural than my grad-filtered images. So I no longer use the grads, and looking at my old film images, I get a bit of a cringe feeling now when I see those filtered skies, seas or whatever. Technology moves on, and our art benefits.
For horizon shots I use Reverse Grads or Strip Filters. But we have liveview, just use it and choose which filter will look natural..Thanks for the reply Rishi! Anyway we look at it, it is a very difficult lens to master! I'd love to shoot with it, maybe I will rent it first. I was shooting at Phuket Ban Naithon Beach against the sun I really did get the shot with my 14mmMk2 L with Lucroit Filters from sunset I used .9 reverse grad until the after glow, the light, the sky and cloud was spectacular! I have never seen light like that before and I captured each passing light. What made it spectacular was on the left side of me, the cloud and light closest to me was purple pink magenta with blue light! It was amazing! I was working frantically back and forth with my .6 reverse and .6 and .9 soft grad, I got natural shot because I shot them with Liveview, and no way that I was going to miss the shot! I have been to the same place dozens of time but last August 2014 was THE best.
Ecopix, I would like to know which sensor is able to shoot against the setting sun without using at least a 3 stop reverse grad. I have to use Benson 4 stops reverse grad. When printed, even my 7d looked spectacular on Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta Paper and nobody mentioned anything about me usingfilters. By the way, I use a 6d since June 2014. Just use the liveview, meter on the foreground and use filters for the photo to look natural. Sometimes I just use my X pro adapter ring and use blu tac to stick my grads so I can work quickly.
You're correct of course - we still often need different exposures for different parts of a scene to recreate what the human eye/brain can accomplish.
We're just talking about different ways of doing it. You prefer to do it in-camera; I found I got more natural results making two or more exposures and combining in post.
Two ways of doing the same thing, to overcome technical limitations so we can portray the world the way human vision would perceive it.
You've obviously perfected your technique to make inspiring images, so good on you. That's what it's all about.
EcoPix - I hear you. The grad filters make you make certain irreversible decisions ahead of time - such as where that hard edge will be. Which doesn't work very well for cityscapes, where you need a soft gradation so building don't immediately look harsh. But then the interesting light is usually when the sun is low in the sky, and that's where the Daryl Benson reverse 4-EV grad comes in handy - but then again that just eats into the city buildings... it's very difficult to do right.
Which is why you'd be much better off with just a 21 EV dynamic range sensor in Raw. We don't have that yet, but a D810 is pretty close. Keep it at ISO 64, and expose for the highlights (this is where I wish manufacturers had a Raw-based histogram). Bracket a bit around it, then pull shadows/midtones to taste in ACR. Do all the gradients/masking/luminosity masks you want there. Image average identical shots to decrease noise levels in the pushed shadows.
Are you referring to stacking in your last line, Rishi? That is a third way, and there is a quite technical discussion of that over in the Nikon 1 system forum at present, exploring full-fame IQ from those little cameras.
Turns out they trade DR for sheer shooting speed, which can facilitate median stacking in post. Many routes to the same destination.
Re skyscrapers, I work in forests and woodlands - same problem. It only takes one tree to upset a grad filter!
Thanks for the insights, and from abi, too.
Yes, EcoPix, exactly what I'm referring to. I often think it's easier to average a few of the same exact exposure than to average different exposures, b/c you don't typically have to worry about harsh transitions between two drastically different exposures, where masks become complicated (and I don't like the results of automated HDR software).
With multi-image averaging, as long as none of your tones are at/near the low read noise floor of the D810, you shouldn't have to image average that many shots to get clean, ISO 100-like pushed shadow performance (that looks like unpushed ISO 100, that is).
While it's rare that you'll need multi-imaging to reduce shadow noise w/ the D810, sometimes for extremely high DR scenes that you want to make large prints of, you may wish to clean up noise a bit. In which case, it helps that with the D810 few of your tones, if any, will be at the noise floor where SNR=1.
B/c to get SNR=1 tones up to, say, SNR=10, you'd need to average 100 shots (SNR goes up as sqrt of # images averaged). If those same tones are SNR=5 (much more likely for a D810, given its incredibly low noise floor), you only have to average 4 shots to get to SNR 10.
With my 5D Mark III, tones would easily run down to SNR=2 or 1, in which case multi-image averaging becomes of limited value, and it's easier to just to HDR different exposures. Otherwise, you'll find yourself averaging hundreds of shots... You're better off just increasing your exposure considerably to get all tones above the high read noise floor.
Probably a similar case for the Nikon 1 cameras, since they also have high downstream read noise, certainly not helped by the fact that shot noise is already pretty high because of the small sensor.
most pictures looks ridiculous unreal, its a toylens like lensbaby but for 3k.-
Well the good news is the world is big enough to include people with differing opinions. So while you don't care for UWA photos a lot of others do and for them this lens makes a lot of sense.
It's a new visual language that's developed, especially over the last couple of decades. First came the Widelux style camera, then the Technorama style that landscapers embraced and created a new art form with.
Then along comes GoPro to immerse selfies in the landscape, and with more and more of these wide, 'unnatural' views getting past conservative editors and into print, more people are becoming used to them, and they're establishing themselves as a visual language that's supplementing the more traditional views.
So Canon (and Sigma) are just bringing things up to date, so we can use the modern mainstream gear for what quite recently needed a specialised type of camera or post techniques.
I've long ago dismissed this Amazon site do to the downright silly commentary. And this thread does not disappoint. Oh. And if this lens was f:2.8 it would easily weigh twice as much as well as cost that if it was of equal optical quality. Let alone geared with T stops.
At least the ability to pair it with a mirrorless here is great fun.
Carry on.
BUT, Nikon's 14-24 is a 2.8 lens. Enough said. What a joke of a lens Canon!
Get back to us if the Nikon can shoot at 11 mm.
Classy comment!
Like all of Canon's products, it's still very overpriced.
Tyler C, why shouldn't Canon price it's product as it wishes? There are people whom will pay for a brand and Canon is a reputable brand. I see people throwing their money on Apple brand and why is that? For instance, iPod... they sound quality is mediocre compared to some competition portable players like Sony but yet people (the standard Joe) are willing to throw money on it because of the brand.
You are commenting on a post that is over a year old ! :P
vscd: A UWA lens is mainly used for landscape or real estate photography. WHich means using a very small aperture, shooting on a tripod and using liveview. Having a brighter viewfinder is worthless, much less a doublecross AF at the center.... btw is so easy to focus with a UWA lens, focus to 2 or 3 m and bang everything is always in focus.
Can we get much wider? I don't know but I guess Sigma sees this as a challange now.
On a Sony body? This is as embarrassing as five years ago when Canon FF shooters resorted to lenses other than their own to get decent results.
Not necessarily.
This is about Sony camera users having another choice of lens as much as Canon lens users having another body.
Having dual systems also means you don't have to have two full lens sets.
The 5Ds is already announced. Don't troll.
Played with one at a recent CPS event. Amazing. And that's not just the price.
Yes, AF on a TSE Lens, absolutely! (my intentions exactly)
With Canon ExpSim LV and Modular VASS (Vari-Angle Swivel Screen), one can comfortably preview focus-check anywhere in the ultrawide TSE fov of high digital magnification of 50mp+ images or potential 4k+ video footage! :D
I have suggested before that Canon TSE lens be updated to have EOS AF capabilities ... as well as, this time round ... IS ... :)
Canon on Canon body = sharp from edge to egde and low noise. Canon lens on Sony A7R body = poor edge to edge sharpness and low of noise even @iso100.
Incorrect. We have yet to see how the lens performs on a high res Canon body.
Furthermore, the edge to edge performance is still pretty impressive even adapted on an a7R.
Also, the shots on the rocky beach are a pretty stressful case for any lens - those rocks were ~1 ft or so away from the lens. I tried to find the hyperfocal distance as best I could to get everything in focus in a single shot, but undoubtedly the edge-to-edge performance of objects at infinity probably won't be as good when you focus at the hyperfocal distance vs. focusing at infinity.
As for a Sony camera leading to more noise, well, we both know that's not true :)
Keep in mind this is a fairly high dynamic range shot, & these are all single exposures. These rocks were dark, w/ no light shining on them, countered by the bright sky above the set sun.
What's amazing is that there's this little noise.
Just goes to show, again, it's not the ISO that determines the noise. That's a gross over-simplification.
So there is no correlation between ISO and visible noise. Interesting.
I should've said 'it's not just the ISO that determines...', but I ran out of words...
No, it's not that there's no correlation between ISO and visible noise, but that the relationship is very complicated. The biggest determinant is actual light captured, which is linked to the exposure. ISO amplification can actually decrease noise by raising signals above noise floors and/or reducing quantization error (at the cost of dynamic range b/c of signal clipping).
You mean that Canon glass somehow causes more noise on Sony sensor?
I have yet to experience that...in fact my TS-E lenses give much better IQ on A7R than with current Canon bodies (the 5DS R is not available yeat). Anyway I'll wait for Sony 50MP camera instead and get better dynamic range with less money.
No, a Canon camera would lead to much more noise in a single exposure of a scene like this. Not the lens.
Hang on, a Canon FF with the the same lens as a Sony FF would capture the same amount of light and so have the same amount of shot noise. At low ISO you'd get more read noise, but whether you see that (in the dark parts of the image) is just down to how little light there is (but presumably you'd crank the ISO as it goes down) and if you pull up the shadows (which I assume you wouldn't in lens test shots).
I did like the whole lens adding noise thing though, someone should start making low-noise lenses... but probably not put a return address on the box...
This shot was exposed for the highlights (ETTR), and shadows were raised a lot. You should see the original shot actually... perhaps I'll post it in my gallery for fun tomorrow :)
Those rocks were probably pushed something like 4 stops or more. This scene was a very high dynamic range one, so you'd certainly have seen read noise in those rocks.
If you want to know what lenses like this are for, go see a few graphic-novel based movies.
"Kingsmen" is one that's out now that shows off how to use extreme wide angles. The trend in framing among the contemporary cinematographer is to include a big foreground object with lots of background. It's an effect that's more easily do-able with a wide angle like this.
The other cultural influence that has primed us for for the look of the extreme wide angle: Google StreetView. Those ubiquitous images have helped our eyes adapt to and accept the peculiar dynamics of that perspective.
The trend in photographic gear development indicates towards subsidence of APC size DSLRs. I think the future will be shared between 4/3 sensor mirrorless cameras for size/weight reasons and 35mm DSLRs for obvious reasons which I won't go in to. Though I think we'll see more and more 35mm mirrorless machinery too.
Considering how m43 is stuck at 16 MP while APS-C has now reached 28mm and will probably take off from there I don't see m43 making as much inroads as you think.
A lot of buyers are hobbyists and first time buyers who will see mega-pixels above anything else.
In the interest of correctness ;
APS-C has now reached 24mm (on some).
^^ What the heck are you talking about ? :P
No t really
Most dpr readers are keen to keep the forums on topic, so they don't fill with rubbish
I am not sure that your response offered anything to the discussin about the lens, and would hardly qualify you as a soothsayer, so you must expect some flack for making a comment that is so obvious
I wouldn't take it too personally
Canon did a nice job here. I can't afford it unfortunately so I'll have to stick to Microsoft Image Composite Editor for now which kicks PS6 Photomerge ass ;)
People spend $25,000 for an old Nikon 220 degree fisheye that isn't good for anything; now that's expensive. Actually, they were supposed to be great for photographic inspection of the inside of pipes.
But about this 11-24. Why not just rent one or wait for a Canon rebate in the fall? At least that's $200-300 off the price.
If you do buy one now, for $3500, it will always be worth at least $2800-3000 used. The value of a $3500 camera body will drop like a rock, and used Sigma and Tamron lenses won't hold much value either.
I'm impressed but just don't think the pictures look as good as something in the 16-21mm range I find them a little uncomfortable to view
There are a couple pictures here that, just as @obsolescence mentioned in an earlier comment, were in need to the TS-E 17 to get the perfect composition and straight lines of the architecture to keep the photo "comfortable". I do think that 11mm has a whole new creative realm that needs exploring, which I hope to do as soon as I can use it again.
Are you writing in English, Samuel, or unedited iPadese?
I can't parse the result, and have little idea actually what you're trying to say. Which might be interesting, thanks.
Also, 'a couple pictures'. This kind of I'm-a-fool vernacular is simply irritating in journalism, or frankly, anywhere else. Clarity, my friend.
My apologies. After re-reading what I said, you're absolutely right.
One thing that has been mentioned about this image set is the effects this extreme field of view can have, especially when the camera isn't level. I interpreted the "uncomfortable to view" as being caused by things leaning backwards or forwards in the images, like buildings or pillars. #23 on page 2 is an example of what I had in mind. The building could have been perfectly straight with the TS-E 17. However, after re-reading jukeboxjohnnie's comment, there are some qualities to this perspective that don't apply to tilt or shift that aren't as big of an effect in, as they mentioned, a 16-21 mm range FOV. 08 on page #1 is another image that has been mentioned as too wide and awkward. True, it isn't a flattering image, but I was practically leaning on one of the workshop desks with the front element of the lens being just about in between the two cars. Squeezing in like that is the "new realm" I mentioned.
A nice and also informative reply, Samuel, thank you
I've been off the internet moving (actually an enlightening pause...) and wanted to look at the images you mention before replying.
Actually, I think both of those images could be interesting in the right context, although both are 'pushing it' as far as normative viewer response. At the least, the Porsche one gives opportunities for crop, another important point for say a journalist or other in need of a quick take as I think you were.
Indeed, I have been looking and want to look more at the dimensions of what happens with wide angle geometric and perspective distortion. Even with good spatial perception and all the academic backgrounds, the whole picture has not yet clicked into place, and I think this would be useful.
One further point I could mention on your interesting 'new realm' would be the work of a fine journalistic photographer who used to post at least here on DPReview.
...this limit is really dumb, #2 here of 3)
He'd moved to Alaska and started a paper there (think he moved back out). His choice for wide angle was a mild fisheye Canon, on a 10D if I remember.
This actually gave wonderful shots for many of his subjects, indoors or out. I remember an extended family dinner, a basketball team, and group of fishermen showing off their very large salmon. Also a boat along a shore, other things. The look looked right, perhaps because it was something like what our eyes actually see and correct for; don't know, but it worked. It probably helped not to have to spend time on postprocessing also, if you think about it, and caught a lot of interesting details.
I was interested enough to try some work with a Sigma and one of their fisheyes on loan from a friend as we walked around interesting places in Basel one afternoon.
(also cont'd)
(#3 of 3 to complete)
Afterwards I also made corrected versions of the images, which of course will cut out a lot of content. I liked the fisheye versions even though somewhat more severe than the news photographer's above, for many things. The ones I corrected, such as an Escher-like courtyard of stairways in the near medieval Basel city hall (Rathus) came out very nicely also. So maybe sometimes-pp is another thing you could add to thinking in your 'new realm'.
Hoping to hear more of it, and again thanks, Samuel,
not in Basel any more, if I might often enough wish it....
The "tool of choice" for architecture remains solidly the Canon 17mm T-SE lens, although this new 11-24mm wide zoom does offer another option.
$3,400? Wow. I'll just get a Samyang when they release their own FF UWA prime.
I'm aware of the 14mm Samyang. What they don't have is a rectilinear 11mm or 12mm prime, but I do see that coming as they already make them for mirrorless formats (a 10mm and 12mm)
$3400 for a *sharp-in-the-corners* 11mm FF lens is a bargain.
Samyang won't do one, it is out of their price league. It cannot be made cheap because there are too many technical burdens to be overcome (aspherical, super ED, coating etc.). Nikon's 13mm Holy Grail was *much* more expensive, Sigma's 12mm isn't useful in the corners. Maybe, Sigma could do a 11mm Art now, but it won't come cheap.
Samyang's 10mm are cropped which is easy to do. In the affordable range anyway, it may be better to use a fisheye lens and convert to rectilinear in software (as pano software does). However, it still does lead to blurry corners when going to extreme UWA.
Amazon B.S. I'm in Canada, click the "check prices/order now" link and you know what you get? MUGS that look like Canon lenses on amazon.ca!!!
I was going to say you'd have better luck heading over the border to buy one... and then I checked the USD rates. Ouch.
That's what I implied. $3000 USD ~= $3900 CAD. Even with the slightly higher tax rate in most provinces, you're paying much more with cross-border shopping.
But it depends on where prices stand. Right now, a Nikon D750 and 24-120mm lens is cheaper in Canada than in the U.S. An Olympus E-M5II is cheaper in Canada. But, a Panasonic GH4 isn't, that camera's price has been increased here already. You have to play it by ear because no only are old, cheap camera stocks in play, sales are in play and new expensive stock is in play.
whoever complains about the price couldn't have looked at zeiss, leica, or even at nikon or canon super telephoto lenses lately.
Or houses. I've heard they're super expensive. I can understand your frustration with tele lenses because my house also just won't take any wide angle pictures. And I've tried a number of different adapters. Maybe I'm expecting too much?
really .. canon has a few lenses over 3k .. last time I checked - so a new high? the glass complexity should drive the price.
but of course the largest ground spherical aspheric element in a 35mm lens not to mention the widest 35mm lens ever created, should of course cost .. well nothing .. right?
You should be able to just adapt this one.
Please, please! No more reference to "fluorine" coatings. Fluorine is a gas at room temperature and very reactive. The coatings used are " fluoride" coatings e.g. calcium/magnesium fluoride, both of which are ionic compounds and not elements like fluorine.
Not everyone is concerned with Chemistry
Probably, but most people are concerned about accuracy. Nikon describe their coating as "fluorine". I'd like to know why. They do use fluorite elements in some lenses for good reason and perhaps they prefer to keep their formula for their fluorine coatings a secret.
BTW I teach Chemistry!
What we're dealing with here is the marketing of cameras, so the standards for accuracy are pretty low.
Is that the same "fluoride" in our toothpaste, thanks?
There are two areas where fluoRITE is used in lenses. As an anti-reflection coating mixed with calcium, OR as an crystaline material used to make THE ENTIRE LENS ELEMENT. The latter is used because of its ultra-low dispersion characteristic, to correct colour error or chromatic aberration. Fluorite is still the best material to accomplish this, despite the growth of crown-fluorite glass (ED) elements in recent years.
Fluorine is an element (F). If it is contained in a coating, like a fluorite coating, it is technically correct to call it fluorine coating (well "coating containg fluorine" to be precise). Less accurate than fluorite (CaF2) coating, but not wrong.
RichRMA, yes, correct. But as I said, fluorine simply is the more generic term for anything containing the element F. Fluoride can be more accurate in some instances, fluorite in others (e.g., if used for the element's glass composition itself).
It is like talking about a magnesium alloy shell. Nobody thinks the shell would be made of pure magnesium. Same for a fluorine coating, nobody thinks it is made of pure fluorine anyway ...
There are names for elements and names for molecules. First is physics, second is chemistry.
not the same, this is probably something similar to polymer fluorine combinations that allow for substances to slide off of lens elements. THIS is very recent - only pentax, canon and Nikon have fluorine coated lenses.
has nothing to do with the super spectra coatings,etc.
putting it in caps doesn't make your point any more informed, this is not a reflection minimization coating and most certainly this coating has NOT been around since the 30's.
Pentax I believe came out with it first, then canon and then Nikon. canon has it on their latest super tele's, and most of the newer L's.
maybe some RTFM first may be a good idea.
I believe it's actually a fluorinated polysiloxane, but the specific details of the functional group/s are probably proprietary. FWIW.
This is why I love this site: People argue about the periodic table!!! Keep going fellas, this is helping me remember my high school chemistry.
Cause that totally matters to most people...
i think main question will be, how does this lense compare to let say sigma 12-24, i guess (which can be pretty good to excellent, when you get good sample).
would be nice to see some test done head to hed, regarding sharpness (specially corners), filed curvature, flare resistance etc.
because price different is huge.
i do belive you, but when you get some nice sample (and this is not 50-50 scenario, i would say something like 25% chance or even less for real good one), sigma is not shabby at all. I do own for ex. now dinosaur 15-30, its heavy, it's loud, but sharp and all that, for fraction of the price of some other lenses in this area.
anyway, nice to hear that new canon is great (it should be for that kind of money), how are corners doing, barrel distortions, flare resistance etc?
My first ultrawide zoom was the Sigma 10-20mm on my A100. My benchmark now is the Sigma 8-16mm on my NEX-7, and this isn't looking any better (or even as good?) on FF compared to the 8-16 on APS-C, except wide open in the corners. I'd consider the Canon 11-24mm for my A7II, but it's a lot more pricey than the Sigma 12-24mm (which itself is 1.5X pricier than the slightly better 8-16mm).
What I'd really like is a smaller, cheaper FF lens with the field of view and IQ of my APS-C 8-16mm -- it can be slower (even f/5.6 or f/8 wide open) to meet those goals. However, I will admit that this Canon is the most expensive lens I've ever seriously considered buying....
Like all extreme wide angle lenses this one creates a
perverted image of reality. In my opinion a FF-fish eye
produces pictures that are more normal than this lens
at 11mm.
To all of you who plan to buy this lens:
PLEASE try to get a photo of Kim K. at 11mm with "a part"
of her near a corner of the frame.
I think this is an amazing lens and I don't even shoot Canon. Bravo Canon for pushing the state of the art.
For your next super lens how about a fisheye lens that is wider than 180 degrees? There was one that did 220 once. With the special glass, computers, and technology it should be possible.
Hmmm... The Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8G ED AF-S sells for $1800. That's $1600 less than the Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM.
What should I do?
Pins and needles, needles and pins.
Nothing. Because 3mm is a huge difference for wide angle lenses.
You're right :) exactly the same as you do.
@Cane. You will still be right, because it concerns me too. Anyway, read the news interesting, at least for self-improvement and for spending the time too :) I hope that one day I will be able to upgrade my cheap Samyang to something better :)
Cane ure talking to the world dear boy. Carry on Wedding Photographer
What should you do?.......that's easy, Tamron is optically superior to the 14-24 nikkor, it's $600 cheaper, with VC and a more useful FL......oh and 5 yrs warranty. The 11-24 is in a league on its own.
"Canon's new EF 11-24mm F4 L wideangle zoom lens is Canon's widest ever rectilinear zoom by some margin"
You mean the widest FULL FRAME zoom lens. The 10-22 EF-S is wider.
Still wider than your 8-16mm.
But not as wide as my Gezornplotz 7-14mm.
That was a jokie-wokie-poo. "Gezornplotz," indeed!
My pet name is Mungawa. My wife calls me that. :)
some samples from last week - shot with EOS 5dmkIII:
Keep in mind, that the last one is not distorted (tripod was exactly levelled) - its the architecture!
Good, interesting samples.
But, where wide angle portraits?
People, animals, at least somebody like this!
or do you think it is only for shooting architecture and landscapes?
Thank you in advance!
Corner sharpness: all wide-angle lenses suffer from field curvature aberration. Refocus and/or stop down if you need sharp corners.
Party and wide-angle: you MUST shoot at waist level to keep the head-foot ratio reasonable. And no humans at far edges.
I like that tip cheers. was aware about edges never thought about the waist level shooting. Ta.
There is a lot of distortion in the wide shot of the Porsches in the workshop. Might be okay for sunsets.
A stitch in time saves three thousand three hundred and ninety nine.
"Cheaper"? As expensive as 11-24L is, it still costs less than two 6Ds with 24-105L kit lenses, which is probably the minimum you'd need to replicate a 11mm FOV using multiple cameras. And don't forget the extra tough tripod you'd need to support all three cameras at once.
Why do you need 6D for that? APS-C will do just nicely. And pretty much every professional already has some backup camera(s).
Sure it is inconvenient way of taking pictures, but if you do not take very wide FOV pictures very often it is better than paying $3000 in my opinion.
The moment you are willing to compromise on quality by mentioning APS-C that means you aren't the intended buyer for this.
Stitching is a big pain in the ass and I have given up on it. Prefer to get it as right as possible in the field itself than spend hours at home stitching.
Of course I am not gonna buy this lens either but if I had a ton of money I would as I appreciate UWA lenses for their creative distortions.
This is NOT a lens for penny pincher's like us. This is for people who want the best and are willing to pay for it.
You are right about me not being intended buyer for this - I want UWA only rarely. But you are not going to compromise quality by using APS-C this way. You can probably get even better results because you will use several cameras, which means not only more resolution, but also more sensor area used.
Personally, I find stitching acceptable on some occasions. It doesn't take much time on a good computer.
But I agree, if UWA is someones favorite style then this lens is a nice addition.
^^ I shoot long exposures a LOT. So stitching is simply not a possibility for me. And UWA is NOT for wide shots. Its for using its perspective distortion to create unique images.
I love the stretched look you get when shooting close up and no stitching is going to replicate that.
Nice images. A lot more interesting than most samples I see here. Thanks.
I love me some rectilinear wide angles.
Distortion is for circular fisheye!
Thanks for posting samples guys :)
I don't follow...
Are you saying that the 15mm Canon fisheye covers a greater angle of view and doesn't distort as much as this Canon 11-24?
So... If I crop the central part of the Canon 15mm (which is heavily distorted) it will no longer be distorted???
My line about distortion being for circular fisheye was about my personal choice. ie. If you're gonna have distortion just go all the way and make it full circular.
I had Samyang fisheyes in mind and they produce a stereographic projection (or very close to that). I never used the Canon fisheye lens but I expect it uses a different projection.
Have a look here for the difference that is made by different projections:
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What do you think about desktop customization? This can either be out of necessity (e.g. making fonts bigger, making UI easier to click with the mouse) or to personalize it (e.g. changing the desktop background). I'm especially interested to hear from people who aren't necessarily font / scheme geeks, who only want to tweak something occasionally. What bugs you most? What do you do most often? What just doesn't make sense? And what do you think of the accessibility settings in Windows today?
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# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
seemed like XP themes and Plus was more like Themes--
IMHO Plus on 98 was a much better package.
I'd prefer that MS take more of a let the users chose line on themes....
I did a bit of editing of my 98 system via the theme support that was fairly open to editing.
XP seems more "Locked Down" and not as "User eXPerience" as it should be....
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
I can't say I customize a ton, but there are a few things that bug me regarding my multiple monitor setup... I'm not sure if this falls in the accessibility bucket, but you opened the flood-gates on desktop customization. 🙂
- The desktop wallpaper doesn't span all the monitors by default (have to hook it up through an HTML page to make it work)
- The taskbar doesn't automatically span all the monitors
- No options for maximizing windows to all monitors (or stretching horizontally as a horizontal maximize)
- Most screensavers are single-monitor screensavers
- Sometimes right-clicking (to get the context menu) makes the menu appear on another screen (depends on the application though, outlook express isn't very good at this, but outlook is)
- Dragging windows from one screen to another isn't the best way to do this - should be able to auto-push a window to another screen and it should resize so it 'appears' to be the same size from the previous screen (different resolutions)
- etc
There are several external applications which force the desktop to do the right thing, I'm currently using UltraMon which has a lot of the features above. I think this should definitely be built into Windows, though! 🙂
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
There seem to be many actions that will cause the icons on the desktop to rearrange. I often change screen resolutions, sometimes by connecting via remote desktop and every time I change, it shuffles my icons all over the place.
Please stop rearranging icons without asking first. Perhaps you could add an item that holds any icons that are now "off the screen" because of screen resolution change.
Multiple monitor control is still almost completely in the hands of the video drivers, rather than in Windows XP. I hook up to TV displays and the like regularly and I am constantly frustrated each time I hook up a new monitor. There seems to be no plug and plug functionality for composite, so it will not detect the monitor being plugged in and it will not "turn the display" on, as far as Windows is concerned if the display is not plugged in at boot.
It would also be nice if Windows XP would recognize when a certain monitor is being plugged in. For instance, when I plug in my desktop monitor into my laptop, I want Windows XP to automatically transfer the primary desktop on to that external monitor, along with the taskbar, etc.
Thanks for letting me sound off.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
"The taskbar doesn't automatically span all the monitors "
I vote for an option to do that, because I personally don't want to have the taskbar span all monitors automatically. I have one "main" monitor with the taskbar on, and another "helping" monitor for me to drag things on.
(oh, and UltraMon is a great app! ;))
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
I personally want to be able to edit every aspect of the XP theme. I don't like the choices that come boxed with XP, and I don't really want to spend hours on the internet trying to figure out how to code my own.
One of my favorite powertoys is the multiple desktop. This toy should be customizable in terms of the number of desktops it manages (no hard-coded 4, what if all i want is 2?), and each desktop should be able to be configured independently, including such things as icon presence and placement.
You can never have enough screen savers.
Expandable icon groups: This is an idea that I don't think anyone has implemented yet, but I'd really like to see: I'd like to be able to create an icon on my desktop called, say, "Games', and have it act as an expandable menu exactly like the start menu. I'd have about 5 of these guys: System, Internet, Finance, Games, Development. This idea is royalty free :).
My 3 cents,
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
Instead of having an item that holds the "off screen" items why not just remember different desktop arrangements by resolution. Desktops are already stored by user, just add storing it by resolution.
Admittedly, the average user probably doesn't change their resolution that often.
I'm just about to add a second monitor to my setup (gotta love those Dell outlet store specials!) I must check out this UltraMon.
There's an option in XP to lock desktop web content; how about extending that to allow locking icons so they can't be moved accidently? I've seen user's with shaky hands actually drag an icon while trying to double click.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
I agree with the earlier comments about windows XP themes. At the very least I want to be able to change the colors to something I like. Realizing that all artwork is implemented as bitmaps somewhere, I would have hoped that there had been options to change the hue of the colors, or otherwise modify the colors in those bitmaps without modifying the soft gradients and contrast properties (e.g. change that horribly ugly blue into green 🙂 ). Given the fact that the colors in the standard theme are clustered in a few groups (there are the blue areas, the reddish-orange close buttons, some gray areas, light backgrounds, and a bunch of font colors, if I recall correctly), it would be nice if each of these could be adjusted separately, giving back some of the customizability of Win98 ...
For now I just use an adapted version of the Classic theme...
As far as desktop goes, I suspect mine is a bit uncommon: a 1600x1200 background, a nice image as background, with only three icons on the desktop: My Computer, the Recycle Bin and Unused Desktop Items ... I start programs either from the quicklaunch bar or the start menu. As soon as any installer insists on dumping an Icon on my desktop I immediately throw it in the Unused Desktop items or delete it.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
Screen Real-Estate - So important!
Big icons, useless toolbars, functions without keyboard shortcuts (or hard to enter) are all things I despise.
My whole desktop is quite bare actually... No wallpaper even. My friends give me grief about that. 🙂
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
"making UI easier to click with the mouse" is behind most of the changes I make. First off, on XP I always use the classic style, I don't need or want a theme.
Next, I set the title bar font to something in 12 point and bump up the title bar size a bit. That makes the window titles easier to read and easier to click on.
Then I make the scroll bars a LOT bigger (I have them at 17 right now, 1280x1024 resolution). That's one thing that bugs me about the Luna theme and the default settings in classic, the default scroll bar size is far too small to be easily reachable with the mouse (and it's been that way since Win 95).
One other thing I do is turn on ToggleKeys, so I get a beep if I accidentally hit Caps Lock.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
The desktop cleanup wizard should not be enabled by default, but I think that has been changed in later versions of Windows XP Pro. Along with disabling this, the very first thing I do, is to customize the desktop further by adding all four icons available in the General tab to the desktop - unless I'm prevented from doing so due to an implemented policy. 😉
It might seem somewhat petty mentioning this, but I'm slightly annoyed with the fact that unless I use the classic style (which I usually do), I have to deal with a green start button - regardless of the color scheme. It disrupts the overall appearance, unless you have a penchant for meadows and shrubbery - both of which are potentially a good match.
Finally, I intend to digress: I won't bother to go into details, but an overall "tighter" default configuration of system security would be preferrable. Services such as Remote desktop sharing and Netmeeting Remote Desktop Sharing should be DISABLED by default. And just about all the features that provide security ought to be started automatically.
There are heaps of things that annoy me with the default configuration of XP, but they somehow elude me at this moment. Another time, I guess.
I state this in moderate humility.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
I personally only see my desktop when I restart my computer. The rest of the time it is hidden by MANY layers of applications. The only thing I would like would be Auto hiding individual toolbars (maybe through the expand/shink freature of the task tray) and let me assign a hot key to give them focus (like using the windows key + some other key). My two favorite toolbars are quick launch and address (which should be rename command).
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
For me, I would like to see the taskbar configurable just like the office products. Every grouping can be undocked, rearranged, hidden or shown.
After seeing some pics of win06 I hope I'll be able to get the start button onto that rightside panelbar, preferably at the bottom. I don't like the idea of having two bars.
One other thing is placing the start button in the right click list. When using a mutli-screen solution, it's a distance when going diagonal from an lcd over. To top that off would be intellisence as to where the right click initiated so the program would open in that same screen.
I appreciate you asking, thanks!
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
For me, the default font size is too small. I bump all of the fonts to 10pt. I can see where for older people who are new to computers, a screen of tiny print is uncomfortable to read and is problably something that they don't know they can change.
The stylesheet for this blog is another good example. The style sheet specifies a font size that is 70% of what I am comfortable reading and the comment area here is even smaller (10px). "font-size:0.7em" give me a break. Pass that comment on to the MSDN library folks as well.
Every once in a while I run across the Rosetta Stone that contains all of the accessibility key shortcuts. It would be nice to have a shortcut key that would display them. I can't remember all them at once. If I could get to a list of them quickly, perhaps I would use them more often and learn them.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
I find the default Windows XP widgets too big for my liking, so one of the first things I do on any new box is go to Display Properties --> Appearance --> Advanced and set:
* scrollbar size to 14
* title bar size to 18, title bar font to 8px Trebuchet MS
* menu size to 15
* window borders to 0
These changes also maximise my viewing area when browsing, text editing, etc,
Finally I turn ClearType on, turn off hiding underlined letters for keyboard navigation until I press the Alt key, and personalise my wallpaper.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
For me, the Windows desktop (not herein used as a catchall term for UI, but to refer to the actual desktop window itself) is a collecting place for intermediate-use files. They're things that I'm working on, or things that I've recently obtained and haven't felt like properly sorting yet. Thus the desktop does fill up on occasion, and when that happens, I clean it out; it's like regularly attacking that pile of papers in your (physical) in-box when it starts to look too full. It's a far better collection place than the horrid "My Documents" folder because it's always visible just like that physical in-box too.
So my big UI request would be *smaller icons* on the desktop, ideally as a small-icon/list view like you can display in every other folder rendered by the Windows Explorer. Smaller icons = more usable space = fewer wasted pixels.
Al Cooper was right. Wasted pixels are one of my biggest gripes about Windows, and it's only gotten worse over the years --- Win2K was much more waste-conscientious than WinXP, even in "classic" mode. Just remember that every pixel the system uses is one the user can't.
# re: What do you think about desktop customization?
Two thoughts came to mind when looking through these posts:
1. I'd like to have the ability to create user defined folder views (and save that view) so I can then set other folders to these user defines views, rather than the long winded way of setting them right now. The current method relies solely on the folders being hierachical .. sometimes mine aren't.
2. How about the ability to define the right click of the mouse as the start menu button (I understand that called Next step?)


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http://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache- … -5985b.jpg How is it that he seems so peaceful? Is it collusion? If the US are so detested why is it that they are free to move wherever with those djihadists?
Your opinions?
That picture came from an article written by Thierry Meyssan, the guy who claims a missile hit the Pentagon instead of a plane during the 9/11 attacks. He also claims that the U.S. is trying to assassinate him. In the article he says that Abu Bakr al Baghadi, the Houdini of Iraq, is a Mossad agent.
Not much credibility there.
Why would you assert it? What are you basing your judgment upon?
Meyssan wasn't the only one who asserted it. The Spaniard Polytechnic school investigated and reached the same conclusion. Former military men agreed upon the veracity of the fact.
An American independent journalist died few months ago because he was on the verge of publishing a controversial book. Few years ago, the same got a general demoted for his revelations. In way, Meyssan's allegations are ludicrous?
Then what does have credibility? Mainstream media?
When Mississipi was openly racist, when it killed 3 young activists, black men were enrolled to spy on "their brothers", again in what way, the Houdini of Iraq couldn't be mossad? Corruption doesn't exist in your world? Congress, the executive are corrupt... but Al Baghadi... NEVER... You understand my point.
What does count the picture or the source? I would NEVER be in Iraq, Syria, Libya at the moment fearing reprisals but Mac Cain, a man that symbolizes radicalism can.
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They bussed in hundreds of Christian protesters this weekend and gave her award, but a judge has given Kim Davis a deadline and the clock is ticking...
Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis was at it again last Thursday, turning away a perfectly lovely couple who came looking for a marriage license. You can watch her in action in the video above.
Federal District Court Judge David Bunning has already ordered Ms. Davis to begin issuing licenses to everyone who is legally qualified, writing that clerks are tasked with verifying that information on the license is correct, not approving the marriages on religious grounds. Judge Bunning told Ms. Davis her religious beliefs have no bearing on the administrative task of processing a license, but Ms. Davis is standing defiant for now.
Often it appears she is enjoying the attention.
In the gay community, there has been a lot of impatience that Judge Bunning hasn't had Ms. Davis hauled off to the county jail for contempt of court. While he refused to stay his own order, he has allowed Ms. Davis considerable leeway to continue to defy his order without consequences, while she seeks a stay from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. But the judge has put a time limit on her insubordination - August 31. Come September 1, Ms. Davis will have to face the music.
Davis' Liberty Counsel attorneys have made an emergency appeal to the 6th Circuit for a stay of Judge Bunning's order, but that Court, the same Court that was overruled in Obergefell v Hodge by the Supreme Court, has so far not granted a stay. If Ms. Davis had a secular attorney, he would surely explain to her that stays are only issued when the Appeals Court feels harm will be done if the lower court's order is followed, or if the Court feels the plaintiff's appeal has a high likelihood of success.
Apparently, the 6th Circuit didn't think Ms. Davis' complaint met that bar.
The sands are running swiftly through the hourglass for Ms. Davis, who is beginning to seem more like a sacrificial lamb being fattened for the slaughter, than a role model for Christian girls everywhere. She is propped up by her Liberty Counsel lawyers, who appear to have latched onto the unsophisticated Kentucky clerk as a useful vehicle to further their fight for the license to discriminate they call "religious freedom." But she has also become the darling of right-wing, anti-gay organizations, who, for the moment, are flattering her as their hero.
Last weekend, the Family Foundation, one of those anti-gay groups, bussed hundreds of their fundamentalist Christian members to Frankfort, the Kentucky capitol, throwing a loud and prayerful protest (photos above and left) as a show of support for Kim Davis. Fellow Kentucky clerk Casey Davis, who was told by Kentucky Democratic governor Steve Beshear that he should either do his job or resign, told the crowd that he is not ready to quit his office and called on supporters to fight at the ballot box.
"I believe that there is enough power and voice in these people right here that we can put God back in government where he belongs," Casey Davis told the crowd. "Some people would argue about the separation of church and state. When did our state need more church in it than it does today?"
Several Republican state lawmakers spoke, promising to support legislation next session to change the licensing process or to exempt clerks like Ms. Davis who have religious objections. Matt Bevin, the Republican running to replace Governor Beshear, made a fool of himself (though maybe not to that crowd) shouting:
"Clerks' lives matter. Christian lives matter. Religious liberty matters. The inalienable rights of every single American matter."
Ms. Davis gave what was by all accounts a tearful and emotion-filled speech, (photo above right) to the adoring crowd which the Courier-Journal. estimated to be in the thousands.
"God is alive, and he is on the throne," Ms. Davis shouted to cheers.
They prayed together. The read bible verses. They gave Kim Davis an award for her first class bigotry. (photo right) One hopes they took up a collection to cover the fines Ms. Davis may very soon be paying every day she continues to defy the Court. One wonders if the memory of that adulation and applause will sustain her should the remarkably patient Judge Bunning decide to give her a time out in the county jail, a possibility every gay person I know is rooting for.
Saturday's event did have the feeling of a going away party. I wonder if it felt that way to Kim Davis?
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3 has reached a deal with virtual network 'aggregator' x-Mobility to sign up new MVNOs to its business, Mobile can exclusively reveal. The move aims to accelerate 3's progress in the MVNO market, and is likely to see the operator indirectly targeting Virgin Mobile's three million-strong customer base.Orange, Vodafone and T-Mobile have seen huge MVNO growth this year, with Orange reporting an MVNO base that quadrupled in one year to 585,000.X-Mobility will bring six companies on board, including iCard, a company that targets the prepay calling market, and Catalyst, a firm targeting small and medium enterprises (SMEs) and students.X-Mobility is expected to pursue customers wanting to sell prepay voice services, while 3 will target MVNO opportunities in mobile broadband.3's MVNO account manager, David York, told Mobile: 'We are very much in the market for MVNOs. We see it as wide open for data and we will announce at least two more this year.'Strategy Analytics' head of wireless practice, Phil Kendall, believes 3 is likely to raid Virgin Mobile's customer base. He said: 'MVNO prepay churn is very high, as it's a base of users that aren't remotely loyal to operators and will just go after the cheapest. Around three million Virgin Mobile prepay customers are up for grabs as they [Virgin] focus on bundled products and contracts.'In addition, 3 sales and marketing director Marc Allera (pictured) hinted at a move into supermarkets in April, by referring to 'opportunities' in grocery stores selling prepay mobile broadband, a market that 3 leads with one million customers.Sources said Tesco, which has recently started selling laptops bundled with 3, and Orange dongles in its dedicated 'Phone Shops', could be in the market to set up a broadband MVNO.
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Throughout her Bachelors of Fine Arts at the University of Manitoba Lasha Mowchun developed herself as a filmmaker graduating with a major in video art. In the years following she created films that screened locally as well as internationally in Europe and the United States. Lasha has received funding for her work from agencies including the Winnipeg Arts Council, Video Pool and the Jewish Foundation. Lasha has taught extensively in contexts including homeschool programs, Graffiti Art Programming, Turtle Island Neighborhood Centre, the Boys and Girls Club, Norquay Community Centre and Ralph Brown Community Centre. Lasha's teaching style encourages experimentation and focuses on strengthening communities, friendships and self-confidence.
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Water is an essential part of our lives. Poor water quality can negatively affect drinking water, household use, irrigation, recreation, fishing, commerce, and our environment. Our waterways can be degraded by non-point source pollution, shoreline development, sedimentation, failing septic systems, poor agricultural and silvicultural practices, fuel spills, and invasive species. Nearly all of these problems can be avoided by proper planning and basic prevention measures.
The region is covered by a network of rivers and streams running between hills and mountains, including the Black River, Williams River and the Mill Brook. The rivers and streams are all eventually feed into the Connecticut River which runs along the eastern edge of the region. Planning for the region's watersheds requires understanding how the river is moving and changing over time. In 2011 several watersheds were impacted by the flash flooding that followed Tropical Storm Irene's extreme rainfall – particularly the Black River, Williams River and Mill Brook.
SWCRPC works with town, state and federal governments, and other regional organizations to provide planning assistance, technical support, and additional resources on a variety of water resource planning initiatives, including but not limited to the following:
For more information, contact Cindy Ingersoll.
The SWCRPC will work with municipal staff and boards to provide information about the requirements for municipalities triggered by the VCWA and also work with them on options such as stronger municipal protections against flood hazards and river corridor erosion, stormwater master planning, and other town plan or zoning changes to improve water quality. SWCRPC staff will update fluvial erosion hazard/river corridor maps for the towns and assist them with compiling existing information to use in developing implementation plans under the municipal roads stormwater general permit. As part of DEC's Tactical Basin Planning program, the SWCRPC will work closely with DEC staff to facilitate municipal participation in the development of the update to the Black River Basin Plan.
The following fact sheets help illustrate the requirements of the VCWA:
- Clean Water Report of 1/15/2017
- What does the Clean Water Initiative mean?
- Timeline of Deliverables for the Dept of Environmental Conservation
- Clean Water Act and Municipal Transportation Fact Sheets, Rules and Timelines
- Water Quality Grants
- Required Agricultural Practices (RAPs), Rules and Timelines
- Ditches Factsheet – Surface Water Drainage Ditches can be very effective in removing sediment and excess nutrients before entering waterways, if they are maintained once properly installed.
The Agency of Natural Resources is sponsoring a "Brown Bag Lunch Series" in person or online. Please see our calendar for upcoming lectures and click here for more information.
In November 2015, the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources released a new website that focuses on the new Clean Water Initiative called "Clean Water Vermont". It reflects an exciting and growing collaboration among municipalities, state agencies, local and regional partners, farmers, businesses and the public to take action that will safeguard the public's access to clean and safe water throughout the state. The website includes information about Act 64 and its implementation, the "Lake Champlain Plan" and more – http://cleanwater.vermont.gov/
Regional resources and events
- 2/24/2016 – Recording of presentations on the Clean Water Act and how it will affect Agriculture, Roads and Basin Planning
- 8/15/2016 – Water Quality Technical Bulletin
- 9/13/2016 – Roads and Clean Water Act Technical Bulletin
- Monthly Brown Bag webinars from ANR – Please see our calendar for upcoming lectures and click here for more information.
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The Mill Brook Watershed Resiliency Project, encompassing the entire Mill Brook Watershed (which is contained within the towns of Windsor, West Windsor, and Reading), will capitalize on the recent completion of a Phase II Stream Geomorphic Assessment to complete flood resiliency planning and implementation. The Southern Windsor County Regional Planning Commission (SWCRPC) and the Ottauquechee Natural Resources Conservation District (ONRCD) will lead the project.
The Project Team consists of SWCRPC, ONRCD, the American Precision Museum (APM), Windsor, West Windsor, Reading, and the VT DEC Watershed Coordinator and River Management Engineer. The team plans to utilize the Phase II SGA report and its recommendations to further flood resiliency in the Mill Brook watershed through increasing access to the river corridor and floodplain areas, improving bank stability, and conducting extensive public education about flood resiliency. The Project Team will start by meeting and prioritizing recommended projects from the Phase II SGA report. The list of projects will then be further prioritized through several public meetings designed to engage residents of the three towns and gather their knowledgeable input. Concurrent with these activities, ONRCD will start holding public education sessions with their stream table. The goal of the public educational sessions is to educate people about river dynamics, equilibrium, and methods to achieve it.
In July of 2016, the APM will host a teacher training institute allowing teachers to model a watershed, develop what if scenarios for community presentations, and learn how to engage students in ongoing watershed activities such as water monitoring and stream bank plantings. Finally, the Project Team will implement a number of the projects identified during the prioritization process identified above. Potential projects include corridor easement scoping, bank stabilization projects, and buffer plantings.
How can you participate?
There are several ways to participate. You can attend one of ONRCD's stream table demonstrations, attend a teacher training institute, or attend a project team meeting. The next scheduled ONRCD demonstrations will be at Old Home Day in Reading on July 3rd and the West Windsor 4th of July parade. For more information, contact Dan Potter at (802)-674-9201.
- Basin 11 Management Plan. Prepared by the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources in 2008. Covers the land area where water feeds into the West, Williams and Saxtons Rivers. The Plan gives information about the river watersheds, outlines the issues facing them and gives recommendations on how to move forward.
- Basin 10 Planning. Information about basin planning for land areas drained by the Black and Ottauquechee Rivers from the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources
- Black River Corridor Plan. Compiled 2011 by SWCRPC. This plan is to brings together technical data on the condition of the Black River and its tributaries with local land use planning and regulations, focusing primarily on hazard mitigation and improving local water quality.
- Black River Phase 1 and 2 Stream Geomorphic Assessments. Prepared for SWCRPC between 2007 and 2010. In 2007, a Phase 1 Stream Geomorphic Assessment ("SGA") was carried out accordance with Vermont's Agency of Natural Resources protocols. The report divided the Black River and its tributaries into numbered reaches (sections of river). The Phase 1 report prioritized stream sections to be evaluated in the Phase 2 SGA which was completed in 2009. An addendum was added in 2010 for the Patch and Buffalo Brooks which feed into the Ludlow Lakes.
- Hubbard Brook Phase 1 Stream Geomorphic Assessment. Prepared for SWCRPC in 2008.
- Mill Brook – 6/9/2015 Update. The Phase II Stream Geomorphic Assessment Report of the Mill Brook Watershed is now finished! The Mill Brook runs from its headwaters in Reading through West Windsor and Windsor to the Connecticut River. The Corridor Plan is the result of Phase I and Phase II Stream Geomorphic Assessments conducted during 2013 and 2014 which examined individual reaches of the Mill Brook for flood vulnerabilities and physical and biological conditions. The report contains detailed information on the health of the Mill Brook and opportunities to promote flood resiliency within the watershed. For more information, please contact Dan Potter.
- Final Plan (10.5Mb)
- Appendix A – Phase 1 Reach Reports (2Mb)
- Appendix B – Phase 2 Stream Geomorphic Assessment Data (3Mb)
- Appendix C – Reach Habitat Data Summary Sheets (3Mb)
- Appendix D – Reach Stressor and Project Identification Maps (16Mb)
- Appendix E – Phase 2 Data QA/QC Summary (1Mb)
- Municipal Guide to Fluvial Erosion Hazard Mitigation. Prepared by Vermont Agency of Natural Resources
- Flood Hazard Management Resources. Prepared by Vermont Agency of Natural Resources
River Corridor, Floodplain & Shoreland Protection Programs, Biennial Report, Vermont Department of Environmental Conservation, Watershed Management Division, January 2017
The Emergency Relief and Assistance Fund (ERAF) Rule created financial incentives to adopt river corridor and floodplain protection bylaws. The Figure below identifies communities that have adopted river corridor protection bylaws or have undertaken updates to their municipal plans and/or zoning to prohibit new encroachment in river corridors and floodplains. These communities have adopted standards that far exceed NFIP minimum standards. (River Corridor, Floodplain & Shoreland Protection Programs, Biennial Report to the General Assembly Pursuant to Act 110, Vermont Department of Environmental Conservation, Watershed Management Division, January 2017)
- Japanese Knotweed Brochure. Created 2008 by BRAT and SWCRPC. Information about the invasive species known as Japanese Knotweed which is commonly found along our waterways.
- LID brochure. Created 2008 by Addison County Regional Planning Commission and SWCRPC.
- Managing stormwater and improving local water quality in Springfield . Booklet for local residents. Created 2010 by SWCRPC. Compilation of affordable and achievable strategies for managing stormwater around the home in a rural and small town environment. Also contains advice on how efforts around the home and in the yard can improve local water quality
- LID Town Resource Pack . Created 2010 by SWCRPC. The pack is an introduction to LID for towns and provides resources for application of LID in the region:
- LID Tools for Vermont Towns . Created 2007 by SWCRPC and Addison County Regional Planning Commission. Information on how to incorporate LID into Town Plans and local regulations.
- Local LID examples and Further Resources. Created 2010 by SWCRPC as part of the LID Town Resource Pack. Examples of Vermont and New Hampshire LID projects which could be relevant for the region and links to further LID resources.
Development in areas that provide ecosystem services can often result in a diminished capacity to provide those services. Development in floodplains reduces their capacity to mitigate flooding, development in wetlands reduces their capacity to filter water, and the addition of impervious surfaces and the development of steep slopes increases the amount of stormwater runoff resulting in higher peak flows and flooding levels and increased erosion. These services are extremely important and need to be preserved. Additionally, Green Infrastructure can provide many benefits aside from those commonly identified as ecosystem services, including increased property values, enhanced recreational opportunities, and the creation of jobs.
For more information, visit the Department of Environmental Conservation website.
A green infrastructure toolkit has been created to assist Vermont municipalities. Click here for more information.


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Good days, bad days: Life as a chaplain's assistant in Afghanistan
By LAUREN SAGE REINLIE | Northwest Florida Daily News, Fort Walton Beach | Published: February 24, 2014
FORT WALTON BEACH, Fla. — For Army Staff Sgt. David George, Afghanistan has its good days and its bad ones.
There are days when the chaplain's assistant from Fort Walton Beach feels like he is making a difference, helping people. And then there are those when he wants to slam his head against the wall.
"It's really difficult — for all of us — to be 6,000 miles away from our families, our homes and everything we've left back there," the 43-year-old said recently on the phone from New Kabul Compound in Afghanistan. "We don't have any tangible control over what's going on back home. We have to trust in our spouse and our kids and that can be really difficult here.
"If we can help servicemembers deal with that in whatever way they need to and get back on focus and back on mission, that's very fulfilling."
Although it's rewarding when he can help, other days are more challenging.
Servicemembers die, and grief comes, although there's hardly any time for it. George and his chaplain try to travel as often as they are needed to offer counsel, but arrangements can be difficult and movement slow in the war-torn country. They often miss flights or are stranded.
George's job is to protect the chaplain, a non-combatant who cannot carry a weapon.
Armed always with his pistol and often with his assault rifle, George accompanies him wherever he goes.
Sometimes they have found themselves in sticky situations.
"Not so much where we are here at our base, but when we travel, a few times we would get into bunkers because stuff was going on," he said. "It has crossed my mind once in awhile 'What am I doing here? Why did I decide to do this?' "
The decision that led him to Afghanistan started in 2007. A former member of the Army National Guard, George missed the service. With the wars dragging on and the country in need of more soldiers, he started looking into it and found a vast shortage of chaplain's assistants.
"We are a church-going family," he said. "We've been on mission trips before both in the U.S. and overseas and I thought this would be a good way to continue that but in a military setting — not exactly the same but along the same lines in that I am helping people. Or at least I feel like I'm helping people."
New Kabul Compound, where he and his chaplain are stationed, is about the size of the Choctawhatchee High School football stadium and its parking lot, George said. Since he arrived in August, the two have traveled to eight different bases across the country.
During September, they worked at the International Security Assistance Force headquarters helping to conduct NATO memorial services for service members killed in combat.
The terse but moving services lasted only about 10 to 15 minutes, but brought together service members from dozens of countries.
They have held numerous suicide awareness trainings to try to stem the tide of soldiers taking their own lives. He hopes educating people on the signs of suicide risk and talking about it will make it easier for someone to get help.
George has his own difficulties dealing with the challenges of being away from home. He misses his wife and his six kids who range from 10 to 18 years old.
The family is supportive.
"They know that this is what I'm supposed to be doing and they appreciate it," he said. "Hopefully we're over here so our kids don't ever have to be."
Even so, he knows it's hard on them, especially on his wife who has the thankless job of ferrying their children to and from appointments, classes, after-school activities.
"She has to cook and clean, be the good guy and bad guy, the judge and jury," he said. "I couldn't do that."
There's no question he is looking forward to coming home.
"We're still two or three months away and I'm already planning it out," George said. "So yeah, you could say I'm ready."
Left to right, Staff Sgt. David George, Chaplain (Maj.) Henry McCaskill and Chaplain (1st Lt.) Julio R Vargas-Vidal. George and McCaskill are attached to the 1st TSC (Theater Sustainment Command), and Vargas is with the 77th CSSB (Combat Sustainment Support Battalion). All three are Army Reservists.


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