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I wonder if any of you have discussed the tax implications of selling a website with your accountant/CPA? I have talked to one but it seems like most are really just guessing, so I'd like as many opinions and facts as possible. Unfortunately the IRS has yet to create any publication which clarifies the status of domain and website sales.
The main issue is whether the revenue from selling a website is ordinary income, or a capital gain. If you're in the business of flipping websites, then it's more clear cut -- this is ordinary revenue for you. But for those of us that run any other kind of business, and are selling a website of our own creation, or which we held for a long time, it's a lot less clear-cut:
On one hand, a website is like an asset. It is something which a business owns and which generates revenue for that business. If held for over a year, its sale would be a long term capital gain.
On the other hand, the sale of a copyright by the copyright creator is specifically excluded from treatment as a capital gain. This is to prevent people from creating assets and selling them while paying the much lower capital gains tax (up to 15%, versus up to 35% plus self employment tax).
But a website is not just a copyright. When you sell a site, you're selling a domain, website code, databases, customer lists, and the goodwill associated with the brand.
The one accountant I spoke to so far recommends treating the sale of a website, that has been held for over a year and which has content and traffic, as a capital gain. What do you think?
First, you should clarify that you are speaking about the United States, which has the tax %'s you mentioned. In the United States, more and more ordinary (rather than only super-wealthy) people are holding things like stocks which, when sold, have a capital gains tax (I thought it was after 5 years, but whatever) and real estate (though most normal people don't own something worth so much that they have to even worry about such a thing as capital gains).
A website is an awful lot like real estate in many ways. It is sometimes (but not always) a business. And as you mentioned, copyright may be an issue (how does that work with a business, where it may have a copyrighted logo, a trademarked tagline, and a physical presence (real estate)?).
In the US, there are separate rules regarding the sale of real estate, the sale of a business, and the sale of personal creation/art. No wonder your CPAs are confuzled. Seem likely that if there is no set law, to choose what you consider your website (a business? a place on the web? art?) and sell it as that.
I'd be curious to know what people do in other countries. I don't even know if there's capital gains in my country (probably, but never even heard it mentioned by anyone I know).
I am speaking from the UK perspective here but I would imagine it would be difficult to work out what the capital gain was.
Sure you developed a website from nothing and sold it for a particular value, but could you not include your time developing the site and subtract that from the capital gain?
Since their are no specific laws dictating which one applies, if would imagine that you can come up with a convincing argument for either then the Revenue would be happy.
Again, not facts from me, just speculation.
That would move part of the amount received from being a capital gain to being income instead. Since capital gains are usually taxed at a lower rate than income (at least they are in the USA and Australia) you'd be silly to move part of the capital gain to income unless you had to.
Not really, at least in the US. The amount you put into an asset is the basis, and capital gain is the difference between the sale price and the basis. Nothing gets moved to ordinary income in the sale of a capital asset.
But if you are claiming work you did on creating it as a basis for the capital gain calculation then isn't that amount the income that you are declaring for that work. If the work you did produced no income then there isn't an amount to add in as the base for the capital gain calculation.
If that wasn't the case then you just declare the base to be the selling price and get all the money tax free and the tax man gets nothing.
The money you earn from the work you did creating the web site has to be one or the other - either it is income and that income can then be adjusted for in calculating the capital gain - or - it produced no income and therefore doesn't affect the capital gain.
Basis is basically the value of an asset, which if you bought it, is the cost (depreciation aside). If you produced it, it's your expenses, not what income it generated.
Let's talk about a less ambiguous asset. Kinko's (the copy/fax chain) buys a photocopy machine for its store. This is a capital asset. It produces income for the business, because they use it to produce copies that customers pay for. If they turn around and sell this machine, the capital gain or loss is the difference between the sale price and the amount they paid, which is the basis. The income generated through use of the machine is not part of the basis, it is part of the company's ordinary income, and gets taxed there. Kinko's does not have to separately account for and consider the income each of their tens of thousands of photocopy machines was involved in producing.
The basis on a website sale, if treated as an asset, is going to be the costs associated with producing that website that aren't already accounted for as an ordinary business expense. Things like the current year's domain registration fee, or a brokerage fee paid to make the sale (Flippa success fee). This has nothing to do with income -- the income the website produced is the ordinary income of the business and is taxed separately as such.
I think the money you make running the web site would be considered income, the sale of a web site I believe would be considered a capital gain.
I can clear this up... Normally you will pay capital gains tax. If you CPA tells you that it has to count as income he does NOT know what he is talking about or is trying to rip you one because he is envies.
Additionally if you want to take that number down more go buy land tax credits from someone. You can end up paying as low as 60 cent to 86 cent on the dollar for taxes you owe.
If you CPA tells you otherwise; fire them ASAP and go find another one. I had one that burned me for years till one day I walked down the street to another firm and learned the hard way.
I have been building and selling sites for over 10 years. Some I sell within a month or less after launch because I don't like the result, otherwise I have keep them for as long as 5 years.
In order to claim for your time in producing it you'd have to take out an amount as income for the time spent. Only then could you increase the basis by that amount for the time you put in because then that income would be an expense against the web site development.
That's what I meant by claiming for the time spent converts the capital gain to income. I didn't mean income to the web site, I meant income to you as an expense against the web site. So the total tax you pay on the income for creating the web site plus the capital gain on selling it (assuming it qualifies as a capital gain) would be as much or more than if you were to not charge for your time in creating the site.
You have to account for the full selling price one way or another and so you want as much of it to be a capital gain as possible (after deducting the actual out of pocket costs).
I figured the answer would be clear cut. Sadly, it is not. The laws in the United States are insanely complex and written by idiots. I used to work in accounting. I hated it. :sick: When we had a question about a tax issue, we would have to go talk to the Tax Manager. He'd often try and get as an answer by perusing the IRS website. He wasn't always successful. Sometimes we'd have to get the legal department involved. Sometimes, they couldn't give a concrete answer because, quite frankly, tax laws can be vague.
Basically, when dealing with tax laws, you are ALWAYS walking on thin ice. You won't go to prison for making a simple mistake. But penalties and interest can add up.
Noncapital Assets
A noncapital asset is property that is not a capital asset. The following kinds of property are not capital assets.
A copyright; a literary, musical, or artistic composition; a letter; a memorandum; or similar property (such as drafts of speeches, recordings, transcripts, manuscripts, drawings, or photographs):
Dispositions of Intangible Property
Intangible property is any personal property that has value but cannot be seen or touched. It includes such items as patents, copyrights, and the goodwill value of a business.
Franchise, Trademark, or Trade Name
If you transfer or renew a franchise, trademark, or trade name for a price contingent on its productivity, use, or disposition, the amount you receive generally is treated as an amount realized from the sale of a noncapital asset.
Even then, it refers you to other chapters. So the answer is: there is no answer yet. :rolleyes:
A website is many things, all intangible. A website contains copyrights, trademarks, and cash flows if it generates revenues. A website is also a domain name, which should be a clear-cut example of a capital asset.
If a book publisher is sold, are all the copyrights it owns separated out or is the entire business sale treated as a capital gain or loss?
My guess would be that if a website is sold in its entirety, it would be treated as a capital asset. However, calculating the cost basis of that asset is another matter entirely.
If the website were incorporated and you were the sole stockholder and sold your stock in the company, wouldn't that be a simple capital gain? But again, how is the cost basis calculated? I assume any revenue for which you already paid income taxes would be factored into the cost basis because your work is what created the value of the company and you have already paid taxes on the income derived from that work.
There are tax implications in how a business is sold as well. I don't know what they are. But I know that a business can be sold as a whole or it can be sold as assets.
When selling a business you have two options: You can opt either for an "entity sale" or an "asset sale." Making the right choice between the two can help minimize the taxes that you will owe once the sale is complete.
The current regime in Washington is working hard to make our tax laws even more complex. :mad:
Felgall has a point. To establish your cost basis you need to identify the time you spent building the site and then assign your standard hourly rate or project rate to that. I don't believe you need to actually take the cash out of the company to show that the costs were there. Many start-up companies pay some of their employees (founders usually) in deferred salary. As long as the deferred salary is on the books then it should be part of the cost basis.Once the product generates cash the employees are entitled to get their salary paid to them. If you can show all of the costs involved (salary, equipment, software licenses, domain names, etc.) then that would be your basis for the transaction.
I am not a CPA but I would think the web site as a whole would be a capital asset. Doing a quick definition search on capital asset I came up with this:
All "tangible property" which cannot easily be converted into cash and which is usually held for a long period, including real estate, equipment, etc.
Looking up tangible I came up with this: Having physical existence and/or form, or discernible through one or more senses.
You can see a web site. If you put audio clips in it you can hear it as well.
Other definitions for asset included terms like "not produced or sold in the course of normal business." So, if you are flipping web sites as a business then none of those sites would be a capital asset. But, if you are building a site to operate as a business and in the future decide to sell it then that could be considered a capital asset.
Making it way to complicated. Drop each build into a LLC or if your to lazy roll it once you sell it, but that creates a bunch of legal problems if your selling to a firm that hands you a book of legal papers for the acquisition so I recommend rapping it into some type of entity by itself.
If you are funding the startup, the capital will go into the LLC from you or the parent company, and would show as a fixed asset on your books while the LLC would snap each peace down by it's class requirement in their books then do what is was meant to do at the end of tax season by being a pass-through.
I sold two websites last year and, correct or not, they were taxed as capital gain. The revenue generated from the site was not taxed as that was already taxed through the years as income.
The revenue & profit from the site was used to dictate the sell price. The capital gain (difference between development cost and sell price) was what was taxed. To come up with the development cost I had to associate a price for initial development and each sequential version up until the sell.
In calculating the basis for any capital gain you can only include real expenses actually paid.
The only way you can include anything for the time you spent is if you have the business set up as a company and pay yourself wages. That amount is then income to you and an expense to the company that can be included in the basis for the capital gain calculation.
That reduces the amount of the capital gain but at the cost of increasing your own income.
If you don't have a separate company setup then you don't have the option for paying yourself for the time spent and so cannot include it in the calculation (at least not unless apportioning rules apply - as they do in the US).
With regard to the US rules for what is and isn't a capital gain I think http://www.toolkit.com/small_business_guide/sbg.aspx?nid=P11_2452 explains it fairly well. The two parties need to agree on how the price is allocated between the various components being sold. You'd need to show that all of the sale price has been allocated to capital assets in order to treat the full amount as a capital gain.
From my understanding of what that page says, whatever portion of the selling price equates to the compensation for the time you spent creating the site counts as income and then forms part of the basis on which the capital gain is calculated.
I din't think that there is the same apportioning rule here in Australia as there is in the US but here you need to have owned something for over 12 months before you can claim a discount on a capital gain. Any capital gains on anything sold within the first 12 months is taxed at the same rate as you'd pay on income and so if you were to defer collecting any payment for the time you spend on creating the site for at least 12 months then you might be able to claim the capital gain discount on the entire selling price (less expenses).
It's a simple capital gain and calculatedas such. What did you pay for it and whatdid you sell it for (with a few other minorbut standard items in there) ...the CPAthat does your normal business taxes willhave already accounted for these itemsand will be able to easily calculate thecorrect amount.
It's really an awesome way to go as it'staxed at the 15% capital gains rate insteadof the crazy, too high, income rate.
Even as a qualified accountant, i cant tell the difference. But there is a doctrine in our proffession that never fails. The one where you traet each 'revenue stream' separately. You could package these different aspects into goodwill under under indirect assets, clientele assets, code under copy right law and other aspects accordingly. Then you might find that you need to pay different rates for each different one.


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eye. Fred Leahy is dead on there. What a great ending line. I think that is essentially where the Malloy administration had a mis-read. Football gives ND the platform and the bully pulpit from which they can do all the other great things they do. The recent Ex Corde Ecclesiae (V-M, QFF) debate is a good example. The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post aren't writing feature stories from Marquette or Seton Hall. The nation looks to ND for the Catholic perspective. Football, for all its minor sins, gave them that prominence, and the power and ability to do so much good in so many ways.
fan of Notr Dame football than Fr. Hesburgh. He took over as president in 1952 at the age of 35 At that time we were just starting our rapid growth and the last of the veterans had graduated. We had many needs at Notre Dame and he realized that we had to grow from a football school to a great Catholic University. He had negotiated the football television packages that were a breakthrough in sports and we were starting to bring in the necessary funds to spur our growth both financially and academically. He had visions of of a Notre Dame which would be known as a great learning center which would extend its reach and knowledge throuhout the country and the world. He is a true visionary.
He did not de-emphasize football. He decided to put it in perspective. We had returned to one platoon football and there were not as many players needed. He tightened up on the entrance requirement for the general student body and the atheltic program. He felt and rightly so that both great football and great academics could coexist. He was aware that Notre Dame was caught having illegal practices in the summer of 1951 when the ncaa flew a plane over the stadium. Leahy was a great coach but he had the image of being the most important person at Notre Dame. Leahy was also suffering from health problems and had heart trouble. Fr Hesburgh knew that without Leahy we would not have achieved the greatness that we have.
The battle between academics and football at ND has existed throughout her history. Sperber quotes Frank Leahy as saying of Rock, "The priests were getting ready to come down hard on him when he died." Fr. O'Hara raised the academic standards for Layden's players, requiring an "80 average" to be eligible to play (Layden couldn't have played for himself). Fr. Hesburgh came in like a reformer (I think LEAHY's post below catches the conflict nicely) and went out like a fan, hiring Holtz so that Monk wouldn't have to take any heat for hiring a successful coach with a few nicks in his past. Malloy, of course, turned on Holtz and football, even after he'd enjoyed the benefits of a top-rated program, while Jenkins has reaffirmed Hesburgh's ultimate attitude that there's nothing wrong with excelling at both academics and football. BTW, we're the only school I can think of that constantly endures this vacillation between the extremes, and I'm not going to analyze it here.
The conflict is evident in our football history, which is a series of peaks and valleys, with dry spells in the '30s, '50s-early '60s, early '80s, and late '90s-early 2000s sandwiched between peaks that included our eleven national titles.
All I can say is enjoy things now, for we seem to be on the ascendancy again (I am as firm a Weis-supporter as you're going to find), although our history says that somewhere down the road, in who knows how many years, we'll have another dry spell as "the priests," as Frank Leahy so aptly put it, decide "to come down" on football again.
This guy thought I was nuts and just blaming the presidents. He felt that no way would a ND president jeopardize Football by purposely de-emphasizing it. I tried to explain the whole "trying to raise the academic standing at the expense of Football" thing, but he just dismissed it, saying "Why would a college president hurt something that brings in a lot of money?" (Of course, this guy is a very conservative businessman who doesn't have much contact with the people in academia).
Holtz was hired in the fall of '85. Malloy didn't take office until fall of '87. I don't think the hiring of Holtz had as much to do with protecting his successor as it was meant to rectify the HUGE mistake in hiring Faust. Holtz' was a great hire that still has effects.
I have no reason not to believe him. Did he know it would be Monk? Don't know.
Hesburgh started his tenure much like Monk did with many of the same issues, especially the view of ND as a "football factory". He tried to de-emphasize football.
Then came the crucial difference. Hesburgh realized and corrected his mistake. Monk did not.
Hesburgh recognized the fact that football had been, and always will be crucial to the financial underpinnings of the University. That without it, much of the mission of the university would be much more difficult to accomplish. He also came to understand the very public way excellence in football set the bar for everything else the university does. Not only the technical excellence wins vs losses, but the manner in which the wins are achieved and how the program comports itself.
Once he realized his mistake he corrected it, and along with Fr. Joyce, led the university through decades of incredible growth in football, all athletics, AND academics.
One of Hesburgh's greatest strengths was/is his uncanny ability to put things in proper perspective and develop priorities that stand the test of time.
Almost all analysis points to Hesburgh letting my father go.
This battle between dad & Fr. Ted has been debated and discussed over and over.
My dad did in fact blame Fr. Ted for the change in direction at ND.
Dad was a giant in those days and Fr. Ted was a young new President. A clash of the Titans was inevitable.
Dad at age 45, Fr. Ted in mid thirties I believe.
I will say this: For years the relationship was extremely strained if not painful. Fr. Ted did not appreciate dads lack of support for Terry Brennan and his outspoken criticism of Notre Dame Football.
Dad would often speak about the program Rock built, and the success Layden had, and how he (dad) was honored to carry on the tradition, and now Notre Dame had handed it to a High School coach.
In the end though, as my dad was dying in Lake Oswego, Oregon Fr.Ted spent the last week & a half with us, and dad, as Wells Twombley captured it in his book "Shake Down the Thunder".
Many tears were shed by dad & Fr. Ted in the quiet moments of my dads bedroom.
Two immensly proud (yet stubborn) men who realized their mistakes many years ago.
Fr. Ted for realizing ND football could be strong and accentuate the academics and religious tone of ND, and my dad for all the negativity and bad press he brought to ND and Fr. Ted and Terry Brennan.
All of the Leahy's will always remember Fr.Ted as a leader,a man willing to say he was sorry, and mostly as a friend and admirer of dad who was willing to be with dad up until the end.
Notre Dame: It's history is rich with politics, drama, religious overtones, and leadership qualities that reach far outside of football.
In the end though it is football that casts Notre Dame in the public eye.
Love Thee Notre Dame.
I do.
My dad certainly did.
So did Fr. Ted.
Great to see you here. I've talked about this many times with ND people of the era and, of course, read the great Twombly book, but I always thought the thing that rang most true was that, yes, Fr. Hesburgh and your father somewhat butted heads, most if it having to do with Fr. Ted establishing his vision of ND as a first rate university along with a first rate football program, but that your father's health, mental and physical, had simply became too worriesome.
As it was explained to me, Fr. Hesburgh did cut the number of scholarships available to your father, which certainly made things more difficult, but it was mostly because Fr. Ted simply didn't understand how hard it is to win in football. His actions were born more out of the desire to be well within the then current rules AND to win. It was as if he just thought that at ND you rolled out the football and the rest took care of itself.
But more than anything was that your father was so obsessive that people feared for his health. There is the example of fainting during halftime of the GTech game (they gave him the last rights), which they called pancreatis or something, but appears in retrospect to have been a massive panic attack. They didn't know that then, but that's what he was having. At least that's what a guy, a QB, on his teams told me.
It just became one of those things where he seemed to be getting more and more on the edge, more unstable in a way (moose Krause makes mention of this in the video Wake Up The Echoes), and when combined with the "fainting Irish" criticism and the other controversies that seemed to be coming up more and more, it just became something that "had to be done."
My source said, "It was also very typical of Father Hesburgh at the time that he thought a 25 year old with no head coaching experience could run the program. Father Hesburgh seemed to think the football program almost ran itself."
And so it would appear that, yes, your father was fired. Yes, there was some head butting (especially after) but that the main reason was the fear that staying on the job would kill him - or that he'd lose it.
Curious as to your thoughts on that....
My wife's grandparents lived directly across the street from your home in Long Beach, so my wife spent a lot of time there as a kid. Looks like your home there was a great place (and still is). Email me if you like.
Now my wife's parents have a condo a number of stops down in Michigan City...only condo tower there, right on the beach. They were members of LBCC for years.
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occasionally monitoring the board.
I never go away.
I just read and try to add when I can.
I'm a loyal fan to this site & UHND.
I bought that book for my dad for Christmas oh so many years ago. He was in high school in the mid-forties when your dad was at ND and is the one that got me started as an ND fan. I just borrowed it from him to read (when I have the time!). I remember reading Wells Twombly in the SF Chronicle I believe. He died too young.
...here it is.
I think the fact that he was willing to bury the hatchet and spend that time with Frank and his family at the bitter end demonstrates not only the inexorable connection Hesburgh felt with others who possessed a lifelong passion for ND but an appreciation for the critical role that Leahy and his success played in the ongoing blossoming of the university.
Thanks a million for contributing that.
It says so much about the university and about the people involved. It shows, for example, that Ted/Ned would never have allowed the Moore fiasco get so out of hand. A major part of the job involves handling the human side of difficult situations, and Ted/Ned understood that fact far more than Monk/Beauchamp ever could.
Erecting the statue of your father was long overdue.
ca. 1967. My sister (class of '83) and your niece attended the same kindergarten/pre-school in the Chicago SW burbs, and my mother and your sister split the driving. My mother recalls stories about your father's drivenness that you have already recounted here.
What is probably most fascinating about your father's career is that, as the line coach at Fordham under Jim Crowley, he coached a guard who proved to be just as driven as a coach as your father was.
Possibly the three greatest coaches ever.
I read Twombley's book a number of years ago (10 or 15) and I recall him being very critical of Notre Dame throughout the book. He seemed to insinuate that your father's devotion to Notre Dame was somehow Notre Dame's fault and a negative situation for your family. I also recall that he stated that Notre Dame didn't send any spokespeople of significance to your father's funeral. True? I've always believed (my own interpretation) that your father's love of Notre Dame was part of his paying homage to Rockne who he loved like a father. To me, Rockne, Leahy and Parseghian stand above all other coaches and even Holtz and Devine weren't in their league. I was born a little too late to experience any of the Leahy era but there was always something special about his name. It was always spoken with reverence. Bud Wilkinson was always extremely respectful of Notre Dame and it stemmed specifically, I thought, from his experiences playing against Frank Leahy.
Twombley was a bit strange in his perceptions of ND.
Tried to convey images that didn't hit the mark.
As for Dads funeral it was a bit ugly.
Notre Dame Nation wanted dad buried in South Bend.
My mom said no. She stated that Notre Dame had Frank Leahy for all those years and she wanted him to herself now. She wanted him buried in Portland so she and all of us could visit his grave etc.
This created a real split with players, alumni, and in general lots of the ND nation.
With this said there were two ceremonies for dad. The funeral in Portland and services in S.Bend.
Al Davis in the opening of the book really scorched many of the players and dads friends, asking "where were they"?
As one reflects on dad and ND. It never was and never will be an easy place to coach or be a part of.
All I know is that dad absolutely worshiped Rockne, and ND and the alumni but more importantly, What ND stood for as it related to educating the future leaders of America. He adored the students at ND. Past and present.
in the past. My Dad had great memories of him in the Pacific during WWII.
I thought that Twombly missed the mark repeatedly as well and it sounds like he omitted some critical information. Your dad's deep affection for Rockne has always been evident to me and what's really special is that his players had the same adoration for him, though not always during their careers. My son is a high school football coach (an assistant and a very good one, I believe). Whenever he gets really frustrated I'll throw out a line that I've heard quoted of Frank Leahy, "Have you suffered enough for success?!" And, as Johnny Lujack said, "Leahy knew the meaning of the word 'sacrifice'". As far as I'm concerned, they couldn't make statues big enough for Rockne or Leahy.
and some great insights and rational, objective views which most of us would probably have difficulty posting in similar circumstances....
First, let me say that is an honor to see you posting here. Thank you.
I recall during my freshman year in Breen-Phillips walking past the ND Fire House, and hearing a classmate talk about your father, and how, during the season, he spent so much time on campus that he often slept in a room in the Fire House.
Is that true? If so, how often did he bunk there?
My father was a workaholic.
He viewed time spent driving home as wasted time.
He did indeed spend nights in the firehouse and his offices.
Prepare, prepare, prepare was dads driving force.
That's why if he was alive today he would tell you he missed his number one goal he set for himself.
To go 10 years without a defeat.
I kid you not.
Take care,
He truly was an amazing coach.
I wish I had had a chance to see him in action.
That photo of him with the team behind him, his face a picture of worry and concentration, is classic.
including an appraisal of your father's frailties that was likely much more candid than many of us would offer about our own fathers.
The fact that so many of your father's former players speak so highly of him and the role he played in their lives -- far beyond the football field -- speaks even more to his greatness than his incomparable (to anyone other than Rockne) football accomplishments.
played baseball at ND. He tells the story with such pride about walking on campus one day when he ran into Leahy. He was utterly shocked when he called my colleague by his name and asked how things were going.
...it doesn't alter the fact that your father was arguably the greatest college football coach in American history, with only one legitimate contender for that spot (and he also a Notre Dame coach). Of course, I was only old enough to follow one of those unbeaten teams, the 1953 unit, which remains my favorite ND team. Coached to a merciless (for its opponents) near perfection. It would have mopped the field with Maryland had they met in a bowl game.
I well remember the shock of F.L.'s departure among ND fans, whom I had just recently joined as a child member. I even recall some of his "interventions" in the press, during 1956. As I recall, they were usually identified as attempts to needle the team into performing better than they had been doing that miserable year.
it's hard to believe the degree to which ND changed during his tenure. Football put ND on the map during the first half of the century. Hesburgh understood how to harness that engine to bring up the academic profile of the place. He did make some mistakes in perhaps assuming that ND would eventually let football go as a relic of the past, but if he ever thought these things he changed his mind. He famously once said that "Texas has oil and ND has football."
ND made some bad coaching hires under his watch, but he also made the greatest coaching hire in the school's history in the form of Ara. While we can debate where Ara belongs relative to Rockne and Leahy, Ara took over a much worse situation. Ara took over after literally the worst stretch in ND football history for several years. Leahy, however, followed Layden who was 47-13-3 (.770) and Rockne followed Marks who was 13-0-2 (.933) and Harper who was 34-5-1 (.863). Although it's hard to believe now, back in the early 1960's the idea of ND hiring a Protestant was alien to a lot of people (even though Rockne converted etc., it still was a big deal). And unlike Monk, Ted didn't do it to make a political statement, he did it because Ara could coach football.
of Fr. Joyce as his second in command. To the extent that Hesburgh was either openly or covertly hostile to football and sports, it seems that Joyce was a clear counterbalance. Monk problem (among others) was that he didn't have a Joyce to keep his administration in balance.
"if it weren't for Ned Joyce, I might have bankrupted the place" (paraphrased, but not by much).
that it's hard to know where one began and the other ended. Fr. Joyce was a heck of a guy.
that Malloy would entrust such a capable and confident man with so much direct authority and influence.
One more reason to grade Fr. Hesburgh very highly on the leadership scale.
I think Fr. Hesburgh was worried about the tail wagging the dog, and the perception that the tail was wagging the dog.
One of Leahy's former players told me that when Eisenhower came to campus, he sought a meeting with Leahy, but not Fr. Hesburgh, the president of the University.
Maintaining the "proper" balance, a subjective target indeed, could be much more of an art than a science, and I'm more than willing to view some of Fr. Hesburgh's more unfortunate football hires as misses rather than deliberate attempts to de-emphasize.
Malloy, on the other hand, seemed truly ashamed of Notre Dame's football tradition. I'll be convinced until the day that I die that Malloy believed that an aggressive, ethical pursuit of football excellence made him a pariah among the crowd of elitist university presidents to which he aspired.
and asked to imitate a center snapping the ball. He responded: "Would you ask the prez of Yale to do that?"
The man was about 35 at the time. He obviously decided that he was going to break the mold for ND prez's, and he did so across the board (mistakenly w/ FB). I suspect that, given his lack of knowledge about the subject, he honestly thought that the program was strong enough that hiring a coach w/ no head coaching experience beyond HS would work.
The odd thing about Brennan is his 3d year, which remains the worst in school history by a wide margin. His record his first 2 years was slightly better than Parseghian's. His 4th year, w/ the big win at Norman, was decent, and the 5th year might've been tolerable under other circumstances. The 3d year is what doomed him.
The thing to truly fault Ted/Ned for occurred your sr year. Given their experience w/ Brennan, I'm not sure what made them think that someone who had NO coaching experience of ANY kind on the collegiate level could handle the job. Hesburgh was contemplating retirement about that time--I seriously doubt that the BOT considered any HS principals as his replacement.
no one was prepared to replace him, and the BOT knew it. Then they put Monk and a couple of other guys in a position to prepare for the job and Monk was selected. One other point concerning Brennan. His 2-8 season in 1956 was only slightly worse than the 2-7 season that preceded the arrival of Ara. That one might have equaled Brennan's if not for the cancellation of the Iowa game on Nov 23, 1963 as a result of the Kennedy assassination.
or '63, both of which were 2-win seasons. I don't have the scores in front of me at present, but there were 2 losses by 40 or more and another loss or 2 by 30 or more. It was kind of like 2003, only w/ a much worse W/L record.
Hesburgh certainly took us through periods of de-emphasis but only to maintain a balance he saw to be necessary. I have little doubt that if NDN existed decades ago may of us would have been very unhappy with Fr. Ted.
Make no mistake, unlike his successor, he understood better than anyone football's place and the three pillars. He even spoke of them clearly in "God, Country, Notre Dame". More importantly he was not embarrassed by it in the least. Furthermore, Hesburgh was incapable of disgracing himself by doing something such as openly talking down Notre Dame under Fr. Malloy to other university leaders.
My favorite Hesburgh quote regarding football: "Texas has oil; Notre Dame has football; Neither should apologize."
It wasn't that football needed to be deemphasized, but that it was over-emphasized at that point, and other aspects of the university needed to be brought up to par.
If you have read Talking Irish, you know that it is an excellent read and a rich source of information about ND football. Leahy resigned under pressure from the Hesburgh administration. The story put out was that it was due to health reasons. Leahy's own physician states in the book that Leahy was healthy and he was shocked to learn of the resignation. Leahy's last rites was painted as a fainting episode brought on by overwork and a viral condition (flu)in that book. Hesburgh then hired a high school football coach (Terry Brennan) with limited experience (sound familiar). I believe he only had 1-2 years as a ND assistant under Leahy. Leahy never embraced the hire and was known to grumble behind the scenes about being replaced with Brennan who was one of his former players. See the Indiana Hoosiers of the current day. Hesburgh then cut football scholarships substantially. Hesburgh gets credit for hiring Ara when Joyce wanted Devine in 1964. The 10 year exodus in the wilderness in the late 50s and early 60s do resemble Davieham. The Glory of Notre Dame has two articles that are worth reading. They were "The Hiring of Terry Brennan" and "The Firing of Terry Brennan" both written by Dick Schaap. They were expertly written and presented with balance. One should also read Hesburgh's ruminations after the 1964 loss to USC late in that season. Another article worth exploring is the 1986 SI after the Michigan loss. My humble opinion is that Hesburgh could easily live without ND football but also showed understanding of it's importance to most of us ND people (without or without intellectual curiosity) and it's value of a cash cow. Hesburgh was neither saint nor sinner but somewhere in between when it came to ND football. My opinion is also that Affleck- Graves is the true champion when it comes to recent changes in emphasis about the football program. Certain members of the BOTs should get kudos too.
friend of mine who was a senior in Keenan last year that, the week before the USC game, a group of Keenan guys had dinner with Jenkins. When they asked about Willingham, Jenkins said "Let's just say this is a must-win game for him."
Really they all (Jenkins, Affleck-Graves, and the top dogs in the BOT) deserve lots of credit, both for FB and for their stands in acadmics, both in replacing Hatch and in their stand against the monologues and QFF.
heard. I can understand his desire to move on with the changes at the top, but are you suggesting that the new guys wanted him out as well? What are the objections to Hatch?
academics and academic freedom at ND was very pro-VM and the like and anti-Catholic in the theology department. The Jenkins allies and more conservative faculty members didn't like him, but they certainly didn't push him out- he simply got a great offer. The main thing I was referring to was the replacement process. How it worked was the faculty would submit candidates to Jenkins and Jenkins would approve or reject them. They proposed all sorts of people in Hatch's mold and Jenkins rejected a whole slew of them and indeed said he would act as provost unless they gave him someone more in his (that is, Jenkins') mold. Eventually he got his wish.
The old adage about "Ted the Head" reveals all:
Do you know the difference between God and Ted Hesburgh?
God is everywhere. Ted is everywhere, except Notre Dame.
in the ACC was something along the lines of "I ran into Fr. Hesburgh in O'Hare and told him I was on the way to Notre Dame. He said to give his regards to the students and faculty."
at the risk of inciting rebellion here, there is good reason to believe Hesburgh helped ease Leahy out the door and in turn had good reason to do so. Leahy had arrogated to himself a certain independence from the CSC administration that was probably unhealthy and inappropriate. There are, for example, stories which probably have some truth to them about the 35-year-old Hesburgh, new to the presidency, inviting Leahy to meetings, only to have one of Frank's assistants appear. In addition, some of Leahy's actions on the football field (e.g., the Varricheone fake injury incident) were counter-productive to the gigantic task Hesburgh had taken on of significantly improving ND's academic standing, which was in turn highly dependent on how the school was perceived by potential donors. That said, the later decisions (Brennan, Kuharich) which people have labelled as "de-emphasis" likely were not. Instead, they were just bad personnel decisions. Kuharich, for example, came from the NFL so his hiring could hardly be characterized as de-emphasizing. He just turned out to be a bad coach. Even throughout his reign, ND still was turning out a lot of NFL talent. Meanwhile, Hesburgh raised tons of money and drove ND's ascension to a much loftier academic status.
I agree that Hesburgh's decision to ease Leahy out was more personal than a decision to deemphasize football. Hesburgh enjoyed the football team and used football success to great advantage for the University as a whole. Yes, the Brennan and Kuharich hires ended up poorly, but they were made with high hopes. Hesburgh was steering the ship when Ara was brought in, and Ara could have stayed as long as he wanted. The subsequesnt hires, including Holtz, were approved by Ted the Head, and were made with the goal of football success at the highest level.
I happen to lump Hesburgh in with Sorin. I give him his due whenever and wherever possible. Nobody singlehandedly elevates a school to elite status, but TMH came closer than anybody I've ever seen to willing it himself....

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It's hard to think of a more well-known avatar for unthinking, knee-jerk fanboyism than Steven Smith, the Internet proclaimed "Zune Guy."
Two years back, before the release of the original Microsoft Zune portable media player, Smith — known on the Internet by the handle "MSZuneFan" — proudly got himself inked with the rather attractively geometric Zune logo.
But when the original Zune turned out to be a disappointment, and the second-generation 80GB and 120GB models didn't bring anything to the table, Smith moistly rebelled against Microsoft, and continuing his fascinating career of making snap decisions on permanently modifying his flesh, bizarrely had the tattoo changed to an artful depiction of a demonic DIck Cheney, with the Zune symbol presumably representing the Mark of the Devil on Cheney's forehead. A bizarre decision, since the abstract geographic design of the Zune logo would have been recognized by almost no one, where as a demonic Dick Cheney is as timeless an inking as my father's Satanic Spiro Agnew tattoo.
Fast forward a year, though, and Microsoft's Zune HD has hit all the right notes with PMP enthusiasts. So what does Smith think now?
The Zune HD seems to have the all the features I am looking for and might end up replacing my iPod Touch," says Smith. "The Zune 80 and 120 felt like cheap plastic toys to me and so I would like to play with a Zune HD prior to making a purchase. I have read great reviews on it and it seems that Microsoft has learned and fixed a lot of their errors with the original Zunes. "
Smith says Xbox 360 integration is the only thing holding him back from ditching his iPod Touch.
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Lamontville - The government needs to stop people killing grannies who are accused of witchcraft when in reality they were "old and ugly", and sometimes suffering from dementia.
That was one of the concerns raised by senior citizens who spoke to the Daily News at the official opening of the revamped Muthande Society for the Aged branch in Lamontville on Tuesday.
The centre was officially opened by Social Development MEC Weziwe Thusi, who was accompanied on the election campaign trail by Health MEC Sibongiseni Dhlomo, ANC eThekwini Speaker Logie Naidoo and ANC Women's League leaders.
Regulars at the centre said they expected the May 7 poll to be better than the first democratic elections, and that they were happy to vote next week.
However, Michael Mzolo, 73, said more needed to be done to protect the rights of the elderly. He said old people were commonly accused of witchcraft and were attacked or even killed. "If you don't look good in your face, people think you are a witch," he said.
Mzolo said many people were ignorant about dementia and, rather than associating it with memory loss in old age, mistook it for witchcraft.
"If they (grannies) have lost their memories, they would walk outdoors naked and people, especially young people, attack them because they think they are witches," said Mzolo.
Annie Mngadi, 91, agreed.
"They say we are witches because we look old and ugly," Mngadi said.
The government was doing a "good job, but not to my satisfaction", said Mzolo.
"Maybe the government should increase its efforts as there is no research done on grannies who do not know their rights," Mzolo said.
He said some old people had yet to receive their IDs.
"The easiest way to solve these problems would be to supervise ward councillors to make sure they are doing their job, because the government does not know what is happening on the ground," said Mzolo.
Although Mngadi could hardly stand on her own, she said she would be at the polling station.
Grace Nzuza, 85, said she would be voting too. "It was bad in 1994. We voted, but there were a lot of conflicts back then, but it is still important to vote," she added.
Thabo Ndlovu, 70, said he was expecting peaceful and successful elections this year.
The Muthande Society for the Aged is a non-profit organisation which consists of five branches – in Lamontville, Chesterville, Clermont, Tafelkop and Richmond Farm. It provides a service to 5 000 elderly citizens.
The society facilitates care for the elderly, transports them to and from hospitals, and runs programmes and fun activities for them.
The Lamontville centre was renovated to the tune of R7 million, donated by Afripak.
The Department of Social Development has budgeted R6.2m towards the running of the centres this year.
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I was just looking at a post about awesome moments in Halo, and that got me thinking. I've never gotten the chance to play Halo, but I have had many awesome gaming experiences. One I can remember is going to my friends house and playing COD Ghosts (My first COD game, I never played the others so it didn't feel like the "same thing as last time") the whole day. I actually adjusted to the game really fast and got pretty good (my friend... not so much) and I did really well. THEN we played Extinction for about 3 hours trying to beat Point of Contact, but none of our teammates were that great. Eventually though, we started getting tired, and our minds got tired, and my friend starting trolling people on the mic (which I doubt he'd actually do if he was wide awake) and we got a ton of laughs from that.
English#Gaming #Awesomeness #Stories
Skyrim, traversing the land I came across a lone horse on a hill side. I investigated, only to find the owner being beaten into a pulp by a band of Forsworn! I picked a number off with my bow, but the crowd was closing in fast. I shouted Unrelenting Force, [i]Fus Ro Dah[/i], and to my surprise the majority instantly turned to ashes! I had apparently mastered and boosted that shouts ability to a greater deal than my wildest dreams! After taking one or two out with my trusty sword and shield, I approached the body of the old woman, late owner of the horse. She had on her a note or a map, not sure of which. I took it upon myself to finish her quest, upon her horse of course. But then, a straggler Forsworn archer leaped from behind a boulder, and barraged the steed with arrows. I cursed his existence, and plunged my sword into his heartless chest. That day, like many, I continued on foot. I also have a tale of when I became level 80 :)
I remember another story: Legend of Zelda Games: I was so relieved when I finally got to the end of a dungeon. I had completed all the puzzles, got all the treasure, searched every area. But then there is the boss. No, this isn't about a specific boss, just most of them. I would go into the boss' room and feel like I could take him on, I've already accomplished so much. But I can't. I try again and again. I begin to memorize his attack patterns, when he leaves open weak spots, and I formulate a plan. After all, some guy once told me "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again". And I did try again. Many times. And once the beast was slain, that was when my true sense of epic accomplishment came.
Edited by Cahill Rebel: 5/10/2014 4:30:11 AMI remember when I played BF4 for the first time after I got my PS4 and getting about 5-7 kills in a row Rogue Transmission. It's funny because the players I killed didn't even notice me. The first guy I parachuted onto from one of those spires that held the dish and knifed him. I sniped one guy from that building I landed on, jumped off under the lower dish structure, and knifed another guy who was running toward me but didn't notice me because he was running from someone else. I then knifed a couple more guys by the edge of the lower dish who were sniping toward the middle and finished off the killing spree with a head shot on a player who was running up a hill toward the T. Rex easter egg. I think I went Rambo during that game.
Playing Unreal Tournament
When I was 11 I was playing Starcraft: Brood War online. I was playing a 5v3, 5 players against 3 super-difficult AIs. Two of our guys got knocked out of the game so it was a 3v3. The AI kept attacking us aggressively throughout the whole game and kept beating our forces. The game went on for about 5 hours and I recall killing over 1000 units while I lost a lot as well. I sent friend requests to the dudes in the game because they were pretty good players and we communicated like we knew each other. I went to sleep as soon as we won. I was so tired and burnt out.
Got a double kill in Halo 3 once. Nearly shat my pants.
During the BF4 beta I barely made it out of C tower with 1 hp when it fell. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMgfiYXc91c]In BF3 a friend got crushed by a water tower.[/url] Sorry for potato. Before I had Xbox Live I would have LAN parties with friends with Halo 2 being the main game we played. At one point we had a 2 v 2 grudge match on Coagulation (much hiding, very wow). At one point the other team had both tanks and were ahead in points. My friend and I were hiding in the cave with the Camouflage. Being the dumb kids we were we played the song Iron Man on my radio at max volume to signal our comeback. I grabbed the Camo and snuck my way to one of the tanks and boarded it. When I started beating on my tank the other tank tried to shoot me off, but my friend boarded that tank and destroyed it a second after I destroyed the other tank. We walked away from that game with 1 victory and 2 sore asses that still deny that game ever happened because "It wasn't recorded in theater mode." A silly Halo 2 story: We're playing on Relic in another LAN grudge match, this time it's 3 v 3. Those two same assholes have both sniper rifles and were camping on a high rock and we couldn't get close with the extra asshole running around in a Ghost. My battle buddy grabbed the Rocket Launcher and took aim at the sniping assholes who were standing side by side for some reason. Shortly after he shot the rocket we heard from the other room, that the assholes were in, that made us giddy with laughter, "Did you hear that?" We walked away with another victory.
Edited by TechnoKat: 5/10/2014 5:36:47 AM>be me >playing GTA Online >steal a Lazer for the lulz. >flying over the city! not even buzzing people just taking pictures. >after about a half hour, some Newfag joins the lobby, steals a Lazer and, while I'm snapping a picture of mount chillead locks a missile on me. >proceed to evade first salvo! but fail with second. >eject and parachute, decide to leave him to crash >Newfag comes back around and splatters me with the wing of the jet. >ohhellno.jpeg >Newfag! being the ballsy Newfag he is texts me in-game with "Bruh, I'm the king of jets" >bitchplease.png >proceed to call him out on his bullshit over the game chat. >he's landed in the airport. >grab my motorcycle, sticky bomb in hand drive to meet him. >he's not as stupid as I thought, takes off and comes back, blowing up the NPC LEER jet taking off next to me. >"lol, oh sultan of the Skies, Great king of jets. Please, tell me more about how shitty your aim is" >jump the airport fence. Newfag thinks he's got some shit. >pull out my RPG, this bitch is goin down. >forget my target prediction sucks for the main part. >Newfag couldn't even strafe me after 25+ tries! and barely avoided my Shittily aimed rockets. >I keep reminding him that he blows balls at flying! especially considering that I could have strafed my ass in no more than three runs. >Newfag still thinks he's big, switches to the rockets, thinking that hell have better luck. >lolnope.jpeg >I fire my last RPG, Newfag barely dodges it, even though it was a long distance shot. >self proclaimed King of Jets flys off to pick on some kids who were going after a crate drop. >kids were in an Attack Heli. >I hear one kid, no older than 9 shout "SHIT JET!" >can't help but think that he needs to watch his mouth. >well whatever. >9y/o has annihilated Newfag >NotBad.jpeg. >proceed to lmao at Newfag, reminding him that a squeaker killed him with a helicopter. >Newfag texts me saying "Yeah, laugh it up ps called n mercs." >okay.jpeg >kill mercs! steal Mesa, sell it for $7k Moral of the story? Noobs can't jet.
The chills.
Killing any boss in dark souls 1/2 is easily the best experience that I have had in a game for quite a while. Also warthog run in ce
Platinuming GTA4, GTA5, and Killzone 2.
Playing Halo 3 with a friend on the map Highground. He kept running me over with a Ghost so I equipped my plasma grenade and threw it at him as he was coming in for the next splatter. I jumped into the air just in case he was still coming towards me across the ground. The plasma grenade actually landed under him, so it shot him harmlessly into the air. I was still in mid jump when he flew across the air like a graceful goose and ran me over in mid air. We laughed for about 3 minutes straight.
Last level of halo 3 with four friends on ghosts
I keep seeing people posting on this just about Halo, and that's fine. But just so you know I was just asking for any epic moment from any game.


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Twice as Nice Consignment Sale in Apex is adding a new feature to its regular sale this spring.
The sale, run by two sisters, will host the Triangle Family Expo, featuring local family-friendly businesses. The expo's sponsor is Sweetbottom's Baby Boutique.
The event, scheduled at the same time as the sale, will feature more than 60 vendors and exhibitors, refreshments and talks on family-related topics, along with entertainment for the kids. It's free for participants - there's no admission free or charge for the presentations.
The sale runs March 18 to March 23. The expo is 9 a.m. to 8 p.m., March 22, and 8 a.m. to 4 p.m., March 23. You'll be able to find it all at the former Borders Bookstore in Beaver Creek Crossings, 1541 Beaver Creek Commons Dr., in Apex.
Check Twice as Nice's website for details.
The expo is still looking for some more family-friendly businesses and organizations to get involved. If you're interested, email firstname.lastname@example.com.
For a list of other sales in the region, check our consignment sale database.


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The Mozambique pimple
I arrived in Mozambique with a pimple near my left eyebrow. I didn't mind too much—I pretended it was a sign of a 49-year-old's youthful skin and pointed it out to my slightly spotty 15-year-old.
"You can't even see yours," he muttered, adding savagely: "You've just made that sound again."
Living in a family of men (husband, two sons, neutered cat), I am continually surrounded by sound effects. The cat—with a full repertoire of noises to communicate satisfaction or disgust with his food—is the least expressive. Whether they are talking about a wave, a goal or a film, my family swish and whoosh their way through descriptions. So imagine my surprise a few weeks before our trip when our teenager turned to me in the car and asked: "Why do you make that sound?"
I had not uttered a word—I had merely lifted my hands and shrugged my shoulders to tell people on the side of the road I regretfully would not be offering them a lift.
The next day, and the next, and the next, at the strangest times, he would say: "You've done it again."
Eventually our 11-year-old joined in. "You've just done it again, Mom." And he mimicked the sound I made—a kind of hissing intake of breath.
I thought how horrible it would sound through dentures one day and resolved to put an end to my one and only sound effect. The only trouble was I never knew when I was going to make it.
We have friends who have explored Mozambique along the camping and 4x4 route. Others have gone straight to their luxury lodge on the Bazaruto archipelago. We opted for a middle way—fly in, hire self-catering houses in two coastal towns and get around on foot.
The weak point, I realised as soon as we arrived at Tofinho, was food. If we'd driven in we'd have brought supplies. If we were at a hotel we'd be fed night and day. Instead we had a tea bag, two oat bars and half an hour until the Tofo market closed.
The manager grabbed his quad bike and collected fish, prawns, rice, tomatoes, onions, eggs, oranges, tea and pao (bread). Few meals before or since have tasted as good.
With only a few additions (notably delicious local beer) that was more or less what we lived on for a week. For lunch we discovered small coconut bread rolls—sold by Alex, the self-styled Mr Delicious—and roasted cashew nuts.
In Villankulos, we caught a blue bakkie/taxi to the market, alongside two women and a trussed live chicken. "You made that sound about 10 times in the trip," our younger son said. And then he solved the riddle. "You make it when you feel guilty."
The boys had come to Tofinho to surf but a howling cold front had followed us from the Cape, so we booked a boat outing to dive with whale sharks. It was an organised tourist activity—watch a video, hear the rules, get kitted out with equipment.
What size are you, the wetsuit attendant asked a willowy German tourist next to me. "Medium," she said, and easily wriggled into her neoprene second skin. Next he looked down at me. "Large," I said, but he handed me a medium-to-small. With my husband's help I squeezed into it and waddled down to the beach. I was poured into the speedboat and we sped through the choppy waves. I felt awful immediately and was getting sick long before we reached the rendezvous—100 metres of ocean littered with boats and snorkellers.
"Jump," the guides yelled to the tourists. I stayed put, too weak to move. So they zipped up my wetsuit and pushed me overboard. The first thing I did was look for my family.
They were right in front of me gesturing furiously at me to turn around. I did—and there it was right next to me, this large, incredible, silent presence. A young spotted whale shark. Absolutely worth an hour of sea sickness.
After Tofinho we went to Villankulos and spent most of our money getting to the islands of the Bazaruto peninsula. We caught a dhow to Margaruge, snorkelled and ate delicious purple calamari stew, wandered around the deserted buildings and hotel of Paradise Island and climbed the sand dunes. Our younger son spent the days on the mainland exploring, drawing and reading. Our elder son took an open-water diving course. My husband became obsessed with catching a fish.
But we all shared one perfect day. The weather was hot and still, the sea translucent. We caught a boat to Benguerra Island, with Zeto and Zephyr, our skipper and guide, walked to the inland lakes to see the nostrils of freshwater crocodiles, swam on endless beaches and in a deserted lagoon-type natural sandy swimming pool, before heading to the highlight—Two Mile Reef—a wonderland of Dr Seuss-like coral and shoals of countless different fish.
Too soon we were back at the Johannesburg airport hotel's buffet table, groaning with out-of-season tasteless fruit, roast meat and overcooked seafood. Our sons said they wanted to go back.
I looked in the spotless mirror of our hotel room. My pimple was gone; my son's were worse. I made that noise again.


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Always of Good Courage – Day 1,826
Always of good courage
1,826 days since my husband took his final breath.
Please indulge me as I take time to ponder. How would he see us on this five year anniversary?
There are certain things I know without a doubt. You may recognize some of them in your own circumstance.
He would be:
SURPRISED how much has changed in the world since he was alive, even small things like changes to our city roadways.
I had one of those irrational moments that makes sense only to those who experience grief. One day as I viewed massive changes to the interstate close to our home I began to panic. I worried he wouldn't recognize how to get home. I then remembered he would never need that information again.
PROUD of the accomplishments of our children.
His coworkers mentioned repeatedly during visitation how often he talked about his family. They spoke of how he hurried to get back home to us when he traveled. One sorrow that never fades is that he cannot be physically present for milestones with our children now. However, they can be assured he would be bursting with pride and giving big hugs if he could be there.
THRILLED to know his grandson and future grandchildren!
He looked forward to spoiling grands. Though none of them will ever meet him here on earth they will still know who he was and what he loved. Papa G is present in photos and videos. He is mentioned often with love and laughter — he will not be forgotten.
PLEASED that I have been always of good courage from the day of his death to the present, have walked by faith, drawn strength from God's word, and encouraged other widows to do the same.
He loved to serve. He supported anything I pursued, and it made him happy when we helped others. During our last prayer together, he asked God, "Please shine Your light through my family and through me". God has done that abundantly and the prayer continues to be answered.
HAPPY to know God provided a wonderful man to be my new husband.
Before his first military deployment we argued. He had the nerve to suggest that he would want me to marry again if he died. I adamantly stated it was NOT going to happen! He gently took my face, looked me in the eyes, and said, "You have too much love to give to be alone for the rest of your life. I would want you to remarry."
I don't think either of us believed it would become a reality; even twenty years later I did not. I had no intention of obeying his wishes when I found myself alone. But God's timing is perfect and after almost three years as a widow, He opened my heart to the possibility of new love, then brought an incredible man into my life in a way that was clearly from Him. My first husband got his wish.
CONTENT to be exactly where he is right now.
Without a doubt,
nothing would entice him to return to this life.
He has been in the presence of the Lord every day for the past 1,826 days.
Why would he want to be anywhere else?
The Apostle Paul says,
"So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (ESV)
Lord, while we remain here please help us to walk by faith and not by sight. We want to be always of good courage as we rely on Your direction in our daily lives, through Your word and through the power of the Holy Spirit. Please make us to continue to shine as a reflection of Your love. Amen.
Terri Oxner Sharp is a wife, mother, grandmother, homeschool teacher, and a writer for aNew Season/A Widow's Might Ministries. Her first husband passed away suddenly in 2012. She gives God all the glory for how He has grown her spiritually on her widow journey, in preparation for her new journey into a blended family. Terri and her second husband live in Arkansas with the final child still living at home from their combined family of seven children, two son-in-loves, and two grandsons. She loves to be with people who love to laugh, enjoys spending time with their grandchildren, who know her as "GiGi", and feels called to minister to other women who find themselves bewildered to be on a widow's path as well.
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So Long, Larry King Live!
After 25 years on the air, Larry King signed off for the final time on CNN last night and was celebrated by many a celebrity live and in person. President Obama even taped a congratulatory video to King, saying that he could interview anybody, from "Kermit the Frog to Joe from Tacoma."
In the studio, King was joined by Bill Maher and Ryan Seacrest but was sent a host of video messages from Regis Philbin, Donald Trump, Diane Sawyer, Katie Couric, Brian Williams and Barbara Walters.
Despite the fact that CNN is basically kicking King to the curb, his final remarks were understated and kind. Instead of a lot of tears, it was more laughter which is, I think, a better way to go. Check out all the celebs in the gallery who stopped by to say goodbye!


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Not for bumpy trails/roads.
By Karl
from Northern Virginia
About Me Avid Cyclist
Comments about Nashbar Single-Speed Kit:
Selected this product to get into SS mode quickly and cheaply. I found 2 issues with the design of this product. First, the jockey pulley on the tensioner is threaded WITH the rotation, so it is prone to come unscrewed. Use medium strength thread locker to keep it from unwinding itself. Second, the guide that keeps the chain on the pulley is grabbed by the chain as you go over bumps. This tendency also contributed to the jockey pulley coming unscrewed. If you have it thread locked and tight, the next victim will be your derailleur hanger. Find another solution.
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend
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Been using this for about 4 years, works great
By Don C. from NJ
from Central NJ
I installed this on an old hard tail Mountain bike i have owned since 1995 with a single speed chain and 32 tooth front crank. I use the 16 tooth sprocket in the rear and 26X1.95 tires and can cruise about 15+/-mph on the street. Perfect setup for some basic hard packed trails. ***My only advice would be to adjust it almost parallel with the bottom tube on your bike frame with tension pushing down, not out as the instruction would state or else the chain will skin on hard pedaling if the rear sprocket isn't making enough contact with the chain***
Bottom Line Yes, I would recommend this to a friend
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Pretty Excellent
By Johnnie O.
from Chicago, IL
About Me Competitive Cyclist
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I needed to convert a CX rig for SSCX and chose this unit for its versatility. It did not disappoint.I've done this sort of thing before so I didn't bother to read the directions. Based on the number of complaints, I've got a few suggestions: * The spacers are a little unusual. The thin ones aren't 1/2 the thickness of the wide ones, so there's a good chance you'll have to play around with spacers to get a good chainline. By "good", I mean "as exact as possible". * The chain tensioner probably needs more tension than you think. Loosen the tensioner from the dropout, then use a 15mm cone wrench to rotate the tensioner to make the chain pretty tight. Seriously, you want to feel just the slightest bit of resistance when you backpedal. Then tighten it down. * That 11-speed or single-speed chain won't work. Seriously, man. Stop it. Get a 9-speed chain and you're set. * The sprockets that come with the set will likely gouge your freehub. That's just physics. A wider aluminum one will not and is a great investment.
It works.
By Cooper Trooper
from Atlanta, Georgia
About Me Casual/ Recreational
The spacers work great and lined up my chain perfectly. The chain tensioner, on the other hand, simply works. I had the chain come off a few times in the beginning but after I made a few adjustments and put locktight on the bolts it has worked fine.
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Useless tensioner, the rest is useful.
By Jake
from Pittsburgh
The tensioner is totally crooked and useless. The wheel is not straight, so the chain jumps and grinds horribly. Impossible to set up properly. If you want to pay way too much for gears and spacers, get this, but don't expect to use the tensioner.
Works Great on MTB
By JDECho
from Minneapolis
I put this on my son's 24 inch wheeled mtb as he doesn't do so well shifting on hills etc... Easy to install and have had no trouble with it but I can see some reviewers points on adjusting the chainline to the outer edge (fixed wheelset). It may not hold up... But for my son's bike it works as it should and I am planning on buying again for my own roadie conversion.
Great Value
By Hickcommuter
from Nebraska
About Me Commuter
Installed on my old Trek racing bike built into a commuter. I have several miles on it now and am very satisfied. Will tell over time how durable it is, so it may eventually earn five stars, but so far it has been perfect for my commuter build.
Looked great, but...
By Hans
from LaPlace, LA
Due to spacing, I needed to but a little tension on the chain to convert to a road frame to a single speed. I am running a track wheelset, so the cog is set in a ways. The mechanism sits out quite a ways, in part due to the spring, so the pulley arm was about maxed out. When putting any sort of torch on the drive train, the chain would slip. I tried several different things to get it to work properly, different chains and chain lengths. Finally scrapped it. I recently put it on another frame, with the same drive train, and had the same problem. So I removed the spring and put the pulley in a fixed position, and now it's working fine. It also moved the mechanism several millimeters closer to the drive train, which helps too.
good value for parts
By alex
from everywhere, USA
the tensioner is pretty useless, pretty loose fitting. Just not really a good idea to begin with. The spacers and cogs make it worth the price though
Not worth 1/2 the sale price I am afraid
By Sparky
from Portland, OR
The arm of singulator type part had WAY TO MUCH play allowing pully to go off axis with cogs from even light tension alone. Nor positive, looked used to me as well. Pass on this Nashbar part and get the real deal from Surly would be my advise after wasting [$] and change with shipping, and that was the sale price.Sorry to be so crass, but simply the truth from where I wrench...
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Sunnyvale, CA, United States, 2011/05/04 - New organization to help banks prevent account takeovers and online banking fraud.
IronKey, the leader in securing data and online access, is expanding its services offerings to meet growing demand from banks to help combat online banking fraud. The new Online Banking Customer Success organization will deliver services to help institutions prevent account takeovers and differentiate their online banking offerings using IronKey Trusted Access for Banking.
Were excited about the opportunity to closely partner with banks to help stop the scourge of cybercriminals taking over online bank accounts and stealing money. With rapidly growing demand for IronKey Trusted Access, many banks are asking for help on how best to protect their clients from account takeovers and differentiate their online banking offerings for a competitive advantage, said IronKey CEO Arthur Wong. This move will allow IronKey to bring our specialized know-how to banks and provide an immediate response to particular needs such as recommending best practices, managing new online security offerings, training, and marketing.
The new organization will be headed up by Glenn Cobb, director of professional services, who recently joined IronKey. Previously Cobb served as vice president of information systems for Tompkins Financial Corporation. Prior to that, he served as an IT architect for IBM Global Services for 10 years.
I am delighted about the addition of Glenn to our team, said Wong. His expertise in online banking security and IT infrastructures, and his prior experience in consulting, make him an immediate asset to our customer success practice as we seek to offer bank clients unique insights and actionable plans to prevent fraud and differentiate their banking businesses with new security products.
About IronKey Trusted Access for Banking
IronKeys Trusted Access solves a problem that until now has been out of the banks control the vulnerability of the client's PC to financial malware attacks such as ZeuS and SpyEye. These crimeware toolkits combine keyboard loggers, man-in-the-browser, backconnect Trojans, and DNS tampering attacks that go undetected by up-to-date anti-virus software, firewalls and other software-based security. In a period of 12 months, over 70,000 ZeuS variants were detected in the wild, with many, many more going undetected. Using these tools, criminals defeat sophisticated bank security controls including one-time passcode token authentication and dual user payment authorization. Trusted Access enables banks to protect their business clients, even if the clients own computer is infested with the worst possible malware, by isolating their online access in a safe, bank-managed environment that is independent of the PC. The solution includes the Trusted Access USB security device, whichlaunches a protected, virtualized operating system and Web browser that only works with the IronKey Trusted Network and limits the users online access to bank-approved sites.
More information about IronKey's Trusted Access for Banking is available online.
Protecting Online Banking Customers from Evolving Cyber Crime Threats -- webcast explains the latest bank phishing attacks, the ZeuS Trojan and SpyEye, and why anti-virus software, firewalls and other conventional safeguards are not able to stop these attacks.
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Re: Do lock tokens need to be unique?
From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke_at_gmx.de>
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Karl Fogel wrote:
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> Lock token URIs MUST be unique across all resources for all time. This uniqueness constraint allows lock tokens to be submitted across resources and servers without fear of confusion. Since lock tokens are unique, a client MAY submit a lock token in an If header on a resource other than the one that returned it.
That being said, I don't believe that anything catastrophic will happen
But then: is it really so hard to generate a unique token? After all,
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Magnus Hagander wrote: >Considering the input we've received lately, it looks like the option of >making signal handlers thread safe is going to be really difficult. > > :-( If we ever want to get to a fully threaded Postgres that will surely have to be tackled. I agree it might mean major surgery, and we should not hold up W32 for it. >Likewise, finding "good places" to tuck in SleepEx calls is probaly not >going to be easy. > Maybe. I'm not quite convinced of that yet - we can SleepEx with a very small timeout, no? There must be a few critical places the call could be made, which would in effect just delay delivery of the signal for a very short time to some convenient sequence point. >(I still think SleepEx and User APCs have to be a much >faster and cleaner solutions than a hidden window - while rqeuiring the >exact same thing which is a set of polling points) > > I agree. >[snip] discussion of kernel driver solution > > Now you're over my head ;-) Thanks for all the good research. cheers andrew
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The Search for WondLa
In this first of a trilogy, Eva9, an eleven-year-old girl, has been raised in isolation on what appears to be an alien world. When her underground sanctuary is destroyed, she sets out on a journey to discover the truth of her origins and the planet she is learning to call home. Written with Tony DiTerlizzi's penchant for the weird, The Search for WondLa pays homage to classic literature as it chronicles one girl's exploration of a world that is both foreign and familiar.
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- September 2010 |
- Grades 5 and up
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The Search for WondLa
by Tony DiTerlizzi
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1. What is a family? What elements make a family? Does color, size, or shape make a difference in what a family consists of? Is it possible for a robot to be a family member?
2. Was Muthr a good mother to Eva? Was she able to teach Eva life lessons? Did she have a loving spirit? How does a robot show love?
3. Muthr believed computer technology was omniscient. Was Muthr correct in her beliefs? Give examples from the book to verify your answers.
4. Muthr had a list of six basic survival skills for humans: 1. Trust technology 2. Signal others 3. Find shelter 4. Create fire 5. Procure food and water 6. Know first aid. How did these skills help or hinder Eva's survival in the "real world"? Given her experience, did Eva find the list was in correct order for survival? Explain your answer.
5. Lewis and Clark, John Audubon and Charles Darwin, are all greatly admired people who captured "new" creatures, observed them, killed them, and dissected them all in an attempt to understand them. Are Zin, Besteel, Queen Ojo and the taxidermist any different from them?
6. As Eva begins her journey, she meets a cerulean named Rovender. Is there any significance to his name? As an adult, Rovender views his relationship to Eva very differently than Eva views their relationship. How do t see more


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Tracy Lawrence, New Album Will Be Edgy, 'In-Your-Face'
Tracy Lawrence says his upcoming CD may surprise some of his fans. The singer is in the studio now working on the new project, which is the follow-up to the acoustic-oriented album, 'The Singer,' released last year.
"On the acoustic one, I wanted to strip things down and focus on the lyrics," Tracy explains to The Boot. "On the new one we're working on now, it's more contemporary and more in the same vein as where the industry is headed. I don't have steel guitar, but rather more guitars and fiddle. It will be a little departure of anything you've heard from me before, perhaps a little more edgy and in-your-face. It won't be rock 'n' roll but more progressive than what you've heard from me in a while."
As edgy as the music will be, Tracy points out that the lyrical content will be more forthright and "right down the pike from what you've heard in the past. The big thing that will make the difference is the musicians I selected for tracking. Kenny Greenburg plays electric guitar. He plays on a lot of the [Kenny] Chesney stuff, which is very edgy and progressive. It really changed the dynamic of everything from the way we've recorded in the past. Back in the '90s we did lot of things, doubling acoustic guitars … now it's built around electric guitar and way they play. That was how we wanted it to be, more progressive. It's time for me to grow, and coming off an album like 'The Singer' that is very traditional, it will be very fresh for my fans."
One special note about the new album is that several tracks from 'The Singer' made it onto the project. "People will find it fascinating that two or three of the songs from the acoustic record are also on this. 'Cloud of Dust' and 'Saving Savannah' are on it. They're tracked very progressively on the new CD. You'll get used to hearing them as an acoustic and when you hear the way we took them in these full production sessions you'll go, 'Wow!' It's an amazing transformation. 'Cloud of Dust' is really cool in full production. It has a progressive dynamic that people will like a lot."
The singer-songwriter says it's been interesting to start his own record label. "There are still a lot of things to be put in place, but I don't have restrictions to be put in line behind somebody. And the pay structure is a lot better! [Laughs]
"I always wanted to be in charge of my own career," Tracy continues. "I like having my own imprint. I think there are a lot of benefits. As an independent we're in a situation where we can be competitive with major labels like no time in the past. It's a completely different time. But with digital sales you have the ability to reach your fan base. That used to be the stranglehold major labels had on us. Once those things are not there anymore, you can bypass them. If you're smart and you get your business strategy together and you put good, commercially viable music out there, you can be very competitive. I'm excited about what the future holds."
Tracy will take a little time off in March to head for Australia with his family. He will be performing at the CMC Rocks the Hunter Festival in Sydney on March 18. It will be the family's first trip to "the land down under."


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Marlingon's D.J. Greiner slammed a three-run home run and the Dukes pounded out twelve hits en route to a 13-3 victory over visiting Minerva in the Northeastern Buckeye Conference finale for both teams.
The Dukes (16-9, 11-3) were led offensively by Tony Rupert (double, three singles, three runs, five RBI), Greiner (home run, single, four RBI), A.J. Hershberger (double, single, three RBI), Jake Begue (double), and Jake Walker (three runs).
Marlington pitcher Jake Jones scattered three runs on eight hits to pick up the victory.
Pounding out doubles for Minerva (12-12, 5-9) were Jansten Locke, Alex Gould, and Mitch Croston.
CANTON TWP. -- Alliance was shutout by Canton South 10-0 in a Northeastern Buckeye Conference contest Monday.
No Aviators had multiple hits or extra base hits.
Alliance (12-13, 6-7) will conclude their regular season at home today in a rematch with Canton South (15-8, 10-3).
AKRON -- The Waterloo Vikings plated three runs in the top of the seventh, but it wasn't enough as host Manchester held on for a 4-3 victory in their Div III Sectional Championship matchup.
The Vikings (8-12) were led offensively by Bobby Watson and Tyler Kirby who each had two singles.
Waterloo pitcher Daniel Buckley held the Panthers to three hits in six innings, but was victimized by errors which led to three unearned runs.


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It is on the back of my head at the base of the skull and the spine that is where she injected the botox along with/ on the nodules on each side of the head and on top of the head but it still hurts at the base and on the nodules really bad
I Have Pain in the Back of Head at the Base After Botox Injection 2 Weeks Ago Should I Be Worried?
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Botox and lumps at the base of the neck
Although you don't specify what the indication for Botox injection was (migraines, muscular spasms, hyperhidrosis), they could be hamatomas which should dissipate. Nevertheless, go back and see the physician who injected the Botox for guidance.
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It sounds like you had Botox injected for non-cosmetic purposes. What was the reason for them?
You should discuss your symptoms with the physician that injected the Botox, as they are best able to advise you.
Botox and Headache
Botox Cosmetic is not given in the back of the head or neck. Botox Cosmetic is normally given in the face for wrinkle reduction or facial slimming. Your injections appear to have been for possibly migraine headaches, muscle spasms, or something else. Speak with your Botox physician. Only he/she can help determine appropriate options for you. Best of luck.
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Pain following Botox injections
Hello, and sorry to hear about the issue you are experiencing. I would recommend following up with the physician who performed your injections. She knows the extent of your treatment and will be able to provide you with advice. Feel better, and I hope this helps!
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Pain at Back of Head after Botox
Botox injected at these locations are not usual cosmetic locations, and these may have been injected for headaches, muscle spasm, dystonia, or something else. Please ask the provider to examine you for your concerns.
Botox and pain
I assume you had a neurologist do this treatment and I would suggest you follow up with that doctor. I don't know how many units were injected or the exact placement or needle size in this case, as it's different than injecting for cosmetic purposes.
Botox and pain
I would suggest you follow up with your provider - sounds like you need to let them know what's happening to determine what might be going on. It's difficult to answer your question without knowing specific details.
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Carter's Chord's Emily Robertson and Marc 'Butter' Fortney Welcome Baby Boy
It's a boy for country couple Emily Robertson (of Carter's Chord) and Marc 'Butter' Fortney (formerly of Trailer Choir). The pair welcomed their first child, Tug Ryder Fortney, into the world on October 16, the proud new father tells Taste of Country.
Little Tug weighed 7 pounds and measured 20 inches long at birth. While he was not named after anybody in particular, Mom and Dad thought the name sounded cool enough to give to their first-born.
"We loved the name Tug," Marc Fortney tells Taste of Country. "Obviously, Tug McGraw is the only Tug we know, and I am a huge baseball fan, so it just worked for him."
"Butter" says fatherhood is "way bigger" than he ever expected it to be. "I'm a pretty big dreamer and wide thinker, and it exceeded anything I could be ready for," he says softly. "It's something sweeter than I ever thought it could be and feel like."
So, what's the biggest surprise that comes with having a baby? "How many diapers he can go through," laughs the country artist, who quickly adds that he is "a changer" — second in command to his wife. "I'm the second diaper changer. You know how you have a producer? Well I'm the second engineer!"
While Fortney is no longer with Trailer Choir, he's celebrating his first outside cut as a songwriter with the release of Toby Keith's new record, 'Hope on the Rocks,' this week. He, Keith and Bobby Pinson penned one of the album's 10 tracks, a tune called 'Cold Beer Country.' Since Trailer Choir dissolved, Fortney has been working hard on writing songs for his upcoming project, Rattlecan.