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The following is Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher's open letter to the parents of the victims murdered by Elliot Rodger:
I'm not talking here about the three tragic murders Rodger committed by stabbing before his driving and shooting spree; I speak now only to the families of the gunshot victims in Santa Barbara; It's a tragedy. I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But . . .
As harsh as this sounds – your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights.
Richard Martinez, whose son (Christopher) was among the murdered, choked back tears at a news conference, blaming politicians the next day: "The talk about gun rights. What about Chris' right to live?" Martinez said – and much more.
There are no critical words for a grieving father. He can say whatever he wants and blame whoever he'd like – it's okay by me. You can't take a step in his shoes – at least I can't.
But the words and images of Mr. Martinez blaming "the proliferation of guns", lobbyists, politicians, etc.; will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left.
As a father, husband and a man, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I will stand up for that right vehemently. Please believe me, as a father I share your grief and I will pray for you and your family, as I do whenever I hear about senseless tragedies such as this.
We still have the Right to Bear Arms and I intend to continue to speak out for that right, and against those who would restrict it – even in the face of this horrible incident by this sad and insane individual. I almost said "Obama Voter" but I'm waiting for it to be official.
I noticed the mainstream media have stopped the practice of immediately reporting the psycho maniac is a conservative Tea Party Republican Christian. Guess they're sick of having to hide being wrong every time when it comes out the whacko votes Democrat?
Mr. Martinez and anyone calling for more restrictions on American's rights need to back off and stop playing into the hands of the folks who merely capitalize on these horrific events for their own political ends.
They don't care about your family or your dead children at all. They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh. Don't be fooled – I care about your family and mine. The future of our very liberty lies in the balance of this fight.
In conclusion, I cannot begin to imagine the pain you are going through, having had your child taken away from you. However, any feelings you have toward my rights being taken away from me, lose those.
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher
PS: To the parents of Elliot Rodger's stabbing victims: I'm very sorry for your loss. I'm sick to death every damn time I turn around and some poor soul with obvious violent mental sickness is allowed to exact this kind of pain on a family.
Elliot Rodger deserved help, yes – but your child deserved so much more. I'm very sorry and sad for you.
Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher crashed on the scene in 2008 when a chance run-in with then candidate Barack Obama allowed Joe to confront the soon-to-be president on his tax-and-spend Socialist philosophy. Joe is founder of JoeForAmerica.com.
98 Responses to Joe "The Plumber's" Open Letter to the Parents of the Victims Murdered by Elliot Rodger
Bravo Joe! I couldn't say it any better.
The BEST thing that the PRO-GUN world could do — is begin a MEDIA PLEDGE to *NOT* mention the shooters name, run his videos, post his picture or publish his "Manifesto". What did the shooter want above all else? FAME. He got it.
Whats-iz-name should have been" The Sandy Hook Shooter"
^^ This ^^ I turned off the television a couple of times this weekend because the unbelievable amount of publicity this dickhead got all weekend long.
I would say the overwhelming majority of America cannot remembersthe names let alone the faces of the victims of this senseless violence, but everyone almost certainly remembers the name and faces of the sick individuals who perpetrated it. Shameful… is the only way to describe this.
E*** R*** deserved help — he got help — THAT is the problem. Medications that turn small numbers of people from depressed to insane.
I would argue that he got help but it wasn't the help he needed.
He needed to be involuntarily committed. When his family thought he was such a menace to public safety that they requested law enforcement speak to him, they could have had him committed. They didn't.
From what I've read they KNEW he had serious problems and was at risk of committing violence. They could have done something about it. They went looking for him the night of the shooting – but by then it was too late.
You guys all know I'm not very PC, so I'll just say it – If Mr. Martinez was so worried about his kid, Mr. Martinez should have had him safely institutionalized. That's not an easy decision to make, but that would have been the right one. His son would still be alive, as would all of his son's victims.
FYI, Martinez is the father of one of the victims, not the perp. I think you mean that Rodgers's father should ahve had him committed.
Somebody should have put him down before this
. This piece of garbage should have been aborted . ( at some point )
Rodgers family should have not even BEEN in the US. British citizens with no apparently useful skills to contribute to the US economy. Why are they in the US?
Mr Martinez – you chose to live in a free fire zone. Did you teach your child situational awareness? any selfdefense skills? did you remove yourself from stupid places?
My error.
I'll let the rest stand for itself. Look it up – the family knew this guy was a risk to the community, but they didn't take action to protect both him and the community.
Sadly, involuntary commitment is extremely hard to accomplish. There are hoops to jump through and examinations to be done that take an inordinate amount of time. This is backlash from the habit of dealing with anyone who was "out of the norm." being committed (sometimes for profit, sometimes for convenience) in the late 1800s to mid 1950s (roughly). As someone who's had extended family cross over the line and commit a heinous act, I wish they had made it easier to accomplish.
Unfortunately there's no easy way to accomplish it without asking some very tough questions and working through some very difficult issues from the history of psychiatric treatment. Hopefully, someday, we'll understand enough to balance these people enough that they can live a full and productive life.
"they could have had him committed. They didn't"
No they could not have had him committed. He was 22 yrs. old. It would require being apponinted as his legal guardian. Getting a guardianship over an adult is a complicated process and once he was served with notice of peition filed, he would have just upped his deadline for murder and mayhem.
Clayton E. Cramer at pjmedia.com has an excellent review of California's commitment procedures. This could have been avoided.
Good link, GP, but I disagree with one statement in the link:
"He might have received the treatment that he needed to recognize the insanity of what he was planning."
Or not. Some people are just evil, and the only way to protect society from them is to lock them up. This guy definitely needed to be institutionalized. Whether he could have been helped is unknown, and, frankly, secondary to the fact that he shouldn't have been out on the street able to carry out his homicidal fantasies.
Yes, they waited too long to do anything useful. Now let them mourn, if they are capable of it. I suspect they are merely embarrassed at the negative exposure.
Reports are that he refused to take the drugs.
There used to be a day when the doctors were in charge of the insane asylum instead of the patients. Evidence item #45,675 of how Leftism has degraded America.
When a competent Medical Doctor has determined that a person is violently insane, if that person refuses to take his anti-psychotic drugs, then that person should be involuntarily committed. The mental hospital will force him to take his drugs, and keep him confined for the protection of society.
The bottom line is: Society must be protected against people who are violently insane. This point is self-evident and not up for debate.
Okay, but one question: how is the prescribing "doctor" supposed to monitor his "patient" enough to know that he's not taking his meds?
Have you ever had a doctor who monitored his patients that closely? I know I haven't, nor have I ever heard of one.
Weekly blood analysis? Weekly meetings with the patient to verify no craziness? I don't know, I'm not a specialist in that field.
We need a law that makes the doctor liable for negligence in monitoring his patients who could become violent. If the family or a neighbor or a friend says the patient has stopped taking his meds, then he can and should be involuntarily committed.
We didn't have this problem 30 or 40 years ago, because the mental health system worked to keep violently insane people off the streets. It could work again.
We all know the main motive for mass shootings – insanity. We know the cause – a broken mental health system. We certainly can find the solution. Why don't we do it? Political Correctness (Progressivism?) is preventing us from accepting the facts and performing the necessary actions.
"We didn't have this problem 30 or 40 years ago, because the mental health system worked to keep violently insane people off the streets. It could work again."
You are correct. Sort of. But we had a PLETHORA of John Wayne Gacys, Charles Mansons, Tex Watsons, Charles Whitmans, Green River Murderers, Zodiac Killers, Richard Ramirizes, Ted Bundys, Zodiac Killers… Jeffrey Dahmers….. Henry Lee Lucas, who confessed to literally HUNDREDS of murders… but probably lied about half of them.
Am I making my point? Since 1969 – random starting point – we have witnessed horrific serial killings THAT ACTUALLY dwarf anything seen in this century! Mass shootings PALE before what was seen 40, 30, 20 years ago.
WTF difference does it really make if they snapped their victims' necks, decapitated them and put the heads in the deep freeze, chopped them and gutted them and cooked their organs and ate them (Ed Gein), or butchered drifters by the dozens (This is as far as I'm going!)
AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT people too young to study this brutal history of the second half of the twentieth century, and think a multiple SHOOTING now and then, many contrived incidents, IS AS BAD AS IT GETS?
Stupid, STUPID, history-ignorant fools!
Uh, I was doing social work back 25-30 years ago. The media hadn't discovered the money that could be made from advertisers from lone gun shooters yet, but we've had them for a while. Trust me, the mental health system was doing an even more terrible job back then due to not having access to SSRIs such as Prozac, which do a great job with minimal side effects for the vast majority.
The reason the mental health system is doing poorly is because it is incredibly underfunded. Up until the mid 1960's, institutionalization was the main treatment. In the 60's, community mental health centers started popping up with the advent of medications, and people were able to be treated outpatient. So, the hospitals let out their people and closed, and the community mental health centers were left to deal with them.
Great idea, but not funded.
Let me make this real for you. Psychiatrists are among the least paid specialists in medicine. As a social worker, myself, I just broke $40,000 dollars this year doing psychotherapy after 25 years in practice. In 1989, when I started, I got a well-paying job with my Bachelor's in Social Work at $17,000. Now I have a Master's degree in Social Work from an Ivy League school, two years post-master's training in pastoral counseling, clinical hypnosis and EMDR (treatment for PTSD) training, and the 25 years of experience, including supervisory experience, and in 1989 dollars I'm making $20,682.34, according to http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=17000&year=1989. $2500 more. Wow.
Luckily for you and people who need mental health services like the scumball from San Diego, we counselors are so well compensated.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a gun guy through and through, for all the right reasons. I'm also a great therapist and I'm sticking with it. But I have no love lost for Ronald Reagan, who utterly gutted the mental health system in the 80's. Remember the homelessness problem of the 80's? Where do you think a large number of them came from? That's right, institutions who were not able to get them set up with aftercare due to there being no money for aftercare. Thank you, Mr. President. We haven't recovered from that, and we can't keep good people more than 2-3 years on average to counsel the mentally ill due to the fact that a person's gotta eat.
And don't ask me how much less addiction counselors make. There's a reason I didn't stay in that field.
You want good behavioral health services for people? Pay for it. Then we'll compare today to the not so golden days of 30-40 years ago.
We also had a lot of people committed because they violated social norms, without being a threat.
Pro-gun people should be *glad* forced institutionalizing is damn hard to do. It's based on pre-crime for gods sakes.
That's statist talk. Yeah, let's let the state lock up everyone deemed insane, Soviet-style. There's nothing stopping the state from designating pro-2A people violently insane.
Unlike you, I don't support the infringement of rights for safety.
It was the wrong kind of help, for certain.
For some reason it seems to catch our attention more if you kill 5 people in a day than if you kill 50 over 10 years. Certainly if you use a gun and do it in a public place the media will force feed it to us. The MSM is only a symptom though, it's geared to shallow, drama and sensation seeking people who don't regard being particularly knowledgeable about anything as much of a virtue. There are a lot of really, really stupid people in the world, quite a few crazy ones and a few who are pure evil. The first need stewardship, the second treatment and the last need to be put down. In the meantime all we can do is try to make sure that the masses of the chronically ignorant don't screw everything up so bad that we're left either without the means to protect ourselves from the crazies and the evils, or so broke that we can't afford the means in the first place.
An anti-gun democrat telling me I don't need a gun or can't have a gun to protect myself or my family is like me telling them they don't need or can't have an airbag in their Volvo or an alarm system in their house. Why do you need an alarm system, the world is a safe place??? Ya, try calling 911 and asking for help when a car runs a red light and t-bones your family.
A wise man once told me, "don't bother trying to talk sense to the senseless."
That wise man was me.
World, it is time to try something else. Get a concealed carry permit. A good guy with a gun could have stopped this idiot.
Nothing else has worked, time for a different approach.
As a father I was shocked to hear Mr. Martinez' anti-gun rant talking about the death of his child. I feel for his loss and I understand maybe being less than rational, but if anything were to happen to one of my loved ones I am going to be much more aggrieved over the why than the what.
It does not matter to me how my family was killed, only that they would be gone. I do not want to ever live in that reality, but I would struggle to understand why anyone would do such a thing. I know this because I struggle with the thought that anyone would WANT to kill my family or anyone's loved ones in the first place.
The method does not matter.
I am also furious that –
The fact that 3 of the victims were killed by a means other than a firearm does not seem to be important to anti-gunners
The fact that an automobile was also used to injure many people does not seem important to the anti-gunners
The fact that 4 of the 6 victims were actually male does not seem important to the feminists
The fact that more people probably were killed over the weekend in Chicago does not seem important to the progressives
1. We have a violence problem, not a gun problem.
2. Badly depressed people don't kill themselves or others. They just don't have the drive.
3. Anti depressants don't work over night. They take weeks or months to bring a person out of depression to a normal state. It is in this transition from depression to normalcy where the now partially depressed person may be a danger to themselves or others. They are still partially depressed, but now they have the energy or drive to do these things. Anti depressants are not the cause of bad behavior.
Do we have a violence problem? UCR stats show an ongoing decrease in violent crime.
We have a media problem. And it's not just CNN.
"If it bleeds, it leads"
My attempt to get people off the backs of people of the gun. I wish we could refocus the national attention on violence in general. We know if guns disappeared tomorrow, there would still be violence. I believe that it would be more useful to find and address the causes of violence rather than focus on guns. My little attempt to improve the world, pivot the energy of the anti's to a better cause, and live happily ever after I guess.
The Boston Marathon bombers used pressure cookers. Violence. No guns.
I think you are missing the point that the anti's have no interest in anything other than taking "guns" from the people, in general THEY are the ones that keep the conflict focused upon guns and the barrage of propaganda aimed squarely at gun owners, not knife owners, pressure cooker owners,, pointy stick owners, or any other possible arms owners.
So, your well-intended effort to broaden the scope of discussion will not play in their theater. Further, they, apparently, believe that the gun is the source of the violence, as if the gun emanates some invisible, demonic force that makes hapless humans want to maim and kill in a berzerk bloodlust that can only be stopped by taking the gun away from them and never letting them touch it again. The logic of your endeavor fails when it intersects their medieval superstitions and blindass ignorance.
Fortunately, POTG do understand the issue is the violence people create out of their own minds and has nothing to do with any "Ju-ju" emanating from an inanimate object.
Actually the boston bombers did use guns. They shot that campus cop and had a couple shoot outs with the police.
As long as there is any violence, we have a violence problem. The fact that the problem is decreasing, does not mean the problem is going away. If the violence continues decreasing, we may eventually be able to call it an insignificant problem, but it will still be a problem.
The antis tell us that the violence problem is getting worse. FBI national crime statistics tell us that is a lie. Antis also seem fascinated by mass shootings, even though they represent an insignificant part of the violence problem, and the number and scale of mass shootings are also decreasing over time. The antis concentrating on mass shootings is at least a half-truth or a lie-by-omission, if not an outright lie.
"The fact that the problem is decreasing, does not mean the problem is going away."
Okay, then. Tell us how, if you will, how measurably falling crime rates means something other than decreasing crime rates.
No one expects it go away completely. So I fail to grasp your point. Are you saying decreasing crime rates is a meaningless thing?
I believe that at a subconscious (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt) level there are a lot of anti's who get excited when there is a mass shooting.
If you've defined yourself as pro gun control then your definition of progress has to be gun restrictions. In the past mass shootings have given them the momentum to 'do something' about guns. The actual effect has no importance, gun control, for many in the movement, has become it's own end, not the means to some other thing. They either can't or wont think that nothing needs to be done 'about' guns regardless of the overwhelming evidence that guns save more lives than they take and that violent crime is continually falling.
Theirs is not a well thought out position but rather something like religious faith, no amount of evidence will ever change their mind and the issue is of such critical importance (to them and their ego) that any means to the end are acceptable, even 'waving the bloody shirt'.
To some anti's, a mass shooting is like their team scoring a touch down. It's actually progress in the right direction since enough mass shootings, to them at least, mean eventual gun bans, and for a while they may have been right.
They aren't able to see that the game has changed. Heller pretty much says that you can't ban blanket types of guns that are in common use, which protects the most likely targets of a federal level ban. But it's not just that, it's that so many and more diverse people have taken up guns as a hobby, a lifestyle or a tool of personal protection. There just isn't any mass sentiment that guns are bad outside of the liberal echo chambers of the major cities. The way the congress is configured these cities can't stock it with enough gun banners to get anywhere.
The momentum has shifted and the ball is in our court. If anything more relaxed gun laws are the norm across most of the country that isn't in the NE corridor or California. Even CA and HI are apt to end up as shall issue CCW states and that alone will start to wear down the opposition to guns there. IL has been arm twisted into a shall issue state . . .Gun rights really are the third rail of politics if you aren't firmly in a deep blue district. If Gov. Christie thinks he has a shot at the Republican nomination he's an unbelievable fool. His gun rights record alone is enough to absolutely destroy him in a primary race. It might fly in Jersey, but at the national level the push back is such that he's committed political suicide already.
There just isn't consensus on more gun control nationally and more mass shootings isn't apt to change that anymore. I think that the facts might actually be sinking in; that gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings and that murderers are gonna murder so to speak. If anything there is a shift to being armed for personal defense and the creeping realization that GFZs are not only ineffective but just a bad idea.
I think the think that the banners missed was the internet. Where else can a right-wing Christian fundamentalist, an atheist libertarian and an agnostic democrat who's only commonality is support for the 2A meet? Distance, time and different cultural and lifestyle, even philosophical differences no longer separate us, nor does age or race. Every state has multiple guns rights organizations with membership and funding growing steadily, the internet allow for this. The anti's have. . . VPC and Brady? Tired old organizations that have screamed the sky is falling so many times that not even the liberal news media really listens anymore? MDA, a fully externally funded national group that can't rally as many members as the board of directors at the NRA? MAIG? Really? Half their members don't know their members and the other half are felons.
The fights not over, not by a long shot, but we've broken out of our beachhead and secured a major port. Now the momentum is ours and time is on our side.
Joe I am with you in heart and mind. Agree completely. I also like the addendum concerning the murders by stabbing which total the same number as those murders committed by shooting and preceded them. I wonder if the leftists will soon start a anti-knife lobby, or their will be Moms against Knife Violence or similar.
Only after the guns are banned. Just look at Britain's crusade against knives now that guns are "solved."
Interestingly, I was just told by an American Businessman who travels to the PRC frequently that they have a horrendous murder/injury rate involving knives and edged weapons. Once in awhile, one of those stories surfaces here in the MSM, but this fellow says it's pretty crazy how many Chinese stab and slash each other to death or grave injury daily. The Government suppresses reportage fiercely, and there are no official statistics that represent what is actually happening.
If there are several hundred million guns in private hands in the U.S., there must be tenfold the amount of edged weapons, or more. Taking a quick inventory of edged items in my house I came up with 85, which far exceeds the number of firearms of all types I own, and that does not include table knives that are edged but not sharp edged. Oh…and don't forget "pointy sticks"…
A "violence problem" maybe?
+1 Paul
No matter what you do, you will NEVER be able to stop gun violence. Yes I mean NEVER. Yes it's tragic when a person known to be mentally ill, still is able to kill with a gun, but he proved that he didn't NEED a gun to kill.
He would have and DID kill without one. A person willing to kill for whatever reason will do so with or without a gun. Those that want to take our guns away cannot see past their own grief (I can't say I blame them for that) and the politicians are more than willing to just rip our 2A rights away because of it, without so much as a second thought. We will not stop fighting for our right to keep and bear arms anymore than they will stop trying to prevent gun violence.
Those of you that think I am wrong, think about it.. There will always be gun violence until there are no more guns world wide and that will NEVER happen, so there is always going to be someone willing to buy, sell, trade, import, export,barter or steal a gun from whatever source they have to to get one.
The only thing we can do is start treating criminals like criminals instead of just simply mistreated or misguided souls that supposedly need our help to straighten them out. Stop letting violent offenders out on the street. Obama himself supposedly let go about 3000 illegal aliens with some sort of criminal record. Yet there is very little coverage or outcry on that. Go fiugure!
"Those of you that think I am wrong, think about it.. There will always be gun violence until there are no more guns world wide and that will NEVER happen, so there is always going to be someone willing to buy, sell, trade, import, export,barter or steal a gun from whatever source they have to to get one."
Absolutely right! Well said!
Or knives, or pressure cookers, or razor blades taped to playground equipment, or C4 in a kids toy, screw drivers, box cutters. I agree with your point whole heartedly. I just believe a more global approach to violence is needed. We don't ban planes because they can crash. We research the cause of crashes and try to eliminate it. Let's investigate the causes for all violence and take steps to eliminate them.
Are you suggesting violence needs special attention because it is a huge decline? Are you familiar with "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?
Maybe the point is to "fix" it so it climbs again?
Unfortunately, the causes of violence are Human Beings. Violence is an essential part of our human nature. The problems occur when that violence is used in ways that hurt other humans.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't eliminate violence, because it is a part of our humanity. You certainly can't analyze a crime in the way the FAA analyzes an airplane crash, and come up with an equipment/procedure/system solution that will reduce the chance of it happening again. The violence problem is much more complicated than an airplane or train crash, and infinitely harder to fix.
"CONTROL YOUR KIDS – NOT MY GUNS" Shirt
AMEN! Somebody gets it! The link didn't work, but I'll find that shirt and promote the heck out of them! Thanks.
"your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights."
Yeah, those kind of statements sure help to win over people to our side. Another genius along the lines of the ones who open carry in chipotles in the low-ready.
Works for the left…The million dead fetuses don't trump their (made up) right.
Of coarse the Left has the little advantage of controlling 99% of the media.
I am afraid you are right. Although the concept is certainly valid, the delivery is, to say the least, problematic. A criminal lawyer, however, should not only be able to see the sentiment, as others have pointed out, they pretty much make their living by it.
I am confused as to what you think it is that we should actually be saying to them.
Here's your chance. I won't ask but once.
I'd agree with Rich's point. Terrible and tactless delivery. But then, this is another no-win scenario for the most part.
Commitment is not that hard a thing to do. There certainly was precedent from the mom and the social worker who called for help. As a psychotherapist who has been involved in these kinds of situations, I'm annoyed with the cop who clearly should have called in mobile crisis and let them make the call.
However, the guy was clearly a sociopath (I watched the video–he's the real thing). Sociopaths can talk their way out of most anything.
Guys, we can't stop ALL violence. It's been with us since Cain and Abel. But we can reduce these particular kinds of acts through advocacy for mental health treatment, destigmatization, and education/prevention work. And we can reduce it through lawful, responsible self-defense.
I fail to find the slightest "tactless" thing about it. You are seeing what you want to see.
And it kinda pisses me off.
If you don't see anything 'tactless' about any sentence that begins with 'your dead kids…' then you are severely out of touch with society and perhaps humanity.
Martinez is a criminal lawyer. I'm sure he's heard of the Constitution, and I'm sure that he's been responsible for putting at least one scumbag back on the street where he probably harmed someone else's child. And if so, that child's parents probably said "sure the accused has rights, but what about my child's right to live?"
And Martinez would probably say, "your dead child, your raped daughter, your maimed mother doesn't trump my client's Constitutional rights."
Oh please leave the kneejerk comments to libs. If you want mob justice, move to Somalia.
It's an over used cliché, but "Freedom isn't Free".
It's not just the folks in the military that are responsible to pay the tab of freedom when it comes due. Sometimes the citizenry must foot the bill. Sadly most people don't see it that way.
Too many people see freedom as something they are entitled to, paid from some slush fund filled with Joneses, Johnsons, and Smiths. They blissfully enjoy that freedom unaware of the many who both voluntarily and involuntarily were offered as tender.
But when the check comes due and the tender bears the name of someone they know or love, freedom means nothing, sacrifice is for someone else, and freedom is a sacrificial lamb to satiate their grief.
American's need to toughen up, and the families of those killed need to see the death of their loved ones as a debt paid, and a sacrifice made to the greatest cause of all…liberty.
Wow, you are seriously saying random victims of a shooting are required to ensure we still have gun rights? Are you insane?
I don't presume to speak for him, but I don't think he's saying that shooting victims are "required to ensure" anything. He's saying that, if you have true liberty, some small percentage of assholes are going to abuse that liberty to harm others. It's the "cost of doing business" in a free society. It's not a necessary component to liberty, but it is an inevitable result of having that freedom.
He is making the same observation as Thomas Jefferson, who wrote:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. " Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787
It is a harsh but necessary reality. The reason it does not play well with the anti-gun crowd is that THEY would cut down the "tree of liberty" and burn it at the alter of the Tyrants they grovel to. There's no point in making these sniveling thralls feel all "warm and fuzzy" by mincing words and offering flowery or veiled rhetoric. They need to plainly understand the truth of the principles we embrace and will uphold now and for all time.
Read the entire context of Jefferson's quote here:
Wow, way to completely twist someone's point around.
Okay, untwist it for me. If you think maintaining our right to keep and bear Arms will never entail the consequence that some unbalanced, or evil, person will ever kill an "innocent" person now and again, I'd like to hear you argue that.
The citizenry ALWAYS foots the bill.
"Freedom isn't Free"
Freedom costs $1.05.
Once again shows you how the average plumber is smarter than any Democrat politician or president.
I wish there was a third option on all voting ballots and that would be….random person chosen from the phone book
"None of the above" is better, and is actually a choice some places. It's the ultimate no-confidence vote.
"We don't approve of the choices you offered. Please start over and try again."
And one day, "none of the above" will win an election. It's the moment the political sphere dreads the most.
And it's inevitable.
They keep blaming mental health and the lack of treatment. Some people are just plain EVIL, and nothing can be done to help evil lowlife scum. This moron was evil and I guess evil people can be nuts, but you'll never change or stop their evil ways. Guns have been used to stop evil throughout history, and that will never change.
If someone gave you mind-warping drugs that made you totally unaware of what you were doing, and you killed someone, would be be "evil" at that moment? I'm not excusing his actions; I just think somebody should ask, and someone should answer.
"If." We have no way to postulate that such a thing occurred.
It raises the question, why are there so many people who have similar medications that don't go around killing people?
Because your pharmacist wants you to know that side effects do not effect every person taking a drug, or else they wouldn't be able to prescribe it. That goes for ANY drug.
And it goes without saying that not everyone will experience EVERY side effect. Do you really know nothing about side effects? I'm not buying that. You may think you're being coy, but it's a massive fail.
Your post made me think of Project MKULTRA. The CIA actually dosed random US citizens with LSD, without their knowledge or consent, to see what it would do to them. Every time you get so far out of bounds that I think you must be insane I think of MKULTRA and accept that no matter how nutty it sounds, some very strange things do happen, and sometimes it really is a conspiracy.
I don't think this aggrieved parent understands the ramifications of what he desires.
Aside from all of the social and political implications and the end of many ways of life, he basically desires for government thugs to show up at 90 million gun owners' doorsteps and be willing to murder the occupants for their guns. Ostensibly to "end gun violence".
Either it's 100% grief talking (most likely), or he understands the disarmament message to some degree. I'm going to give him a pass on the latter.
But I'll say this: if, god forbid, this happened to my daughter or grandson, and the press comes slithering in (inevitable, to say the least!) to get a comment from ME, they'll be met with a 12-guage shotgun.
There is NO WAY they're getting one word out of me, other than, "if you don't get outta my face in ten seconds, someone's going to the Trauma Unit!"
The media loves these stories. Have you been to cnn in the past few days? It's rediculous! They are covering this a-hole more than they would an actual hero. It's sick. Every little tidbit about his life is front page news.
I DO NOT watch CNN, PERIOD. For the same reason, I do not watch MSNBC. I don't need to be shooting up my good old Sony Trinitron (a classic car, by now!).
As long as I don't watch, I'm a good boy.
The 3 that died indeed were tragic. So were the 40+ that died this weekend in Chicago. Notice the media doesn't mention them. Why is that?
When Joe the Plumber said that his rights aren't trumped by someone's death, he just a truck load of fuel to the haters to throw on fire. That one sentence destroyed everything he said.
Tip for Joe the Plumber; A closed mouth gathers no feet.
Sam "My name really isn't Joe and I'm not really a plumber" Wurzelbacher is a spotlight-seeking opportunistic political poseur, desperately in search of something relevant to say … you know, kinda like Sarah Palin.
This knuckle-walking asshole has been overextending his "15 minutes" … since the day McCain attempted to make him the 'poster boy of Obama-phobia' back in 2008 … you know, kinda like Sarah Palin.
You just saw him on what channel? I didn't think so. Exaggerating will cause others to think you might be of simple mind. Better to not confirm their suspicions. Next time.
No fan of "Joe the Plumber" at all, and I seldom read anything he has to say; I delete 'em on sight. But what he said was very precise and measured. There was NOTHING inflammatory about that open letter, and you think there was, you need an anti-inflammatory for your psyche.
But lord, the guy looks like he's aged 25 years in the last 5.
After watching Youtube videos the loser concluded that perpetrating his 'Retribution' on the typical party days/weekends was sub-optimal; too many cops. Armed cops. To easy to get shot before killing 'enough' people. Now if nearly everyone walking the streets was armed or possibly armed, I wonder what his calculus would be.
In today's liberal utopia you cannot use Corporal punishment as discipline! according to liberals and most California Left wingers, people do not do wrong silly! in this case it was first a knife, a Car and then a gun! anyway the perpetrator didn't get a chance to donate to the Gene pool so he freaked. but it wasn't his fault, poor baby, must have been LSD in his meds or Porn flicks that got him all worked up. any way I think its the Department of Motor Vehicles fault as they let him drive, that means they were accomplices along with the Sharp instruments Maker, Maker of clothes,maker of shoes and Automobiles, if not accomplices at least facilitators! I feel for the Victims but nothing for the perp! nor his family as they sired this twisted thing and did not do well by him! now trying to scape goat anything that they can
Please let me know how I can contribute to your punctuation fund!
I can't figure out why these mass shooting events are always reported as "tragedies". The appropriate word, in my opinion, is "atrocity".
no one wants to hear my take on why this kid was so messed up.
🙁 How sad!
I'm guessing you've failed to provide it. What do you want from us? That's the poutiest post ever.
I gots no use for pouting. So put up or shut up, dammit.
I'm pretty sure that "trump my rights" line has been said before.
Anyway, I agree with it but I have to imagine there's a better way to put it.
Involuntary commitment is a ridiculous option, but knowing the statists on this site I'm not surprised it is being mentioned.
Yet the same people supporting forced detainment of people who have broken law then claim they are about the consitution and cry and whine repeatedly about their 2nd amendment rights and obama taking their guns and making them buy healthcare.
which is it, are you for a free society or are you not?
You can't and will never stop crazy people from doing crazy things, the best thing you can do is allow people the ability to defend themselves from the crazies when such things occur.
I'm going to go ahead and call that this kid who killed all these people was never spanked or disciplined.
That must be it. It's always it. Hope no one discovers what I did.
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If you own a home, you probably already know that maintaining it costs a lot more than you expected it would when you bought it. Even if you are not living in the first home that you bought, every house I have known has cost me more time and money than I anticipated. Every time something breaks, shuts down or backs up, you face a decision – should I fix the problem myself or hire someone to do it for me.
When I first moved into my current home, I was busy with a job that demanded a lot of my time. If something broke, my first reaction was always to bring in a contractor to fix it. I worked at home so it was always easy to answer the door when the contractor arrived and then to pay him as he left. Sometimes the charge was less than a hundred dollars and sometimes it was more than $300. Regardless of charge, however, I noticed that rarely did a contractor ever spend more than an hour at my house.
Over the past few years, I have tried, more and more to fix problems on my own. I have succeeded in just about every instance – although I readily admit that when it comes to electrical matters I still bring in an expert. Becoming my own handy man has taught me a lot of lessons about maintaining my house and made me truly realize how much money I wasted by bringing in contractors to do jobs for me in the past. I still do not have the ideal workshop in my garage (although someday I hope to have it!) but I can now usually get household jobs done on my own (or, more typically, with a bit of prodding from my wife!). If you are not doing a lot of your own work around the house, you may benefit from the lessons that I have learned. You probably already have a hammer, screwdrivers and pliers but if that is all you have, read on!
Examine a Problem Before You Try to Fix It
When something goes wrong in your house, do not assume that you cannot fix it and do not assume that you know what to do to fix it unless you have done it before. If something breaks down, examine the problem until you can see what likely is causing it and how it can be fixed. Three or four minutes is often all that it will take you to review a problem, but you cannot assess your ability to remedy the problem until you know what it is.
One of the first contractors I brought into my home after we moved here was a plumber to fix a broken toilet flush mechanism. He was here for less than ten minutes and he charged me $65 – I remember the amount because I was annoyed that the fee was that great for a ten minute job. A few months ago, the flush mechanism on a different toilet in my house broke. Recalling my experience with the plumber, I took the lid off of the back of the toilet and saw that the problem was a broken chain. I also saw that the mechanism was very easy to attach to the toilet. I went to my local hardware store, bought the mechanism for less than $7 and repaired the problem in about 3 minutes. If I had not taken the time to look under the lid, I probably would have spent about $75 (allowing for inflation) to get a plumber to do what I had done in a few minutes.
Don't Buy a Tool Unless You Know Why You are Buying It
There are a lot of really cool tools and machines that can save you time and money if you know how to use them. The key, however, is that you really know how to use them and whether a specific tool is the right tool for your needs.
About three years ago, I bought a garbage disposal for my kitchen. I assumed that all garbage disposals could dispose of all of the organic products that my kitchen might produce, especially citrus rinds. After all, I knew that the garbage disposal in my kitchen as a child could handle everything so why shouldn't "modern" garbage disposals handle the same? Clearly, I should have done more research because the garbage disposal that I purchased was not intended for citrus rinds and it broke down about two years after I had purchased it. If I had researched the subject more completely (as I now have), I would have purchased the correct tool the first time around, and saved myself a few hundred dollars in product costs and installation charges.
Buy a Good Pressure Washer
Whether you live in a subdivision that requires you to pressure wash your driveway, walls or roof, or you just want a clean house, you need a good pressure washer. When I first moved to my home, I hired a fellow to do some pressure washing for me. He did a good job, but at a cost of $700! A few months later, I had to hire a different person to do the pressure washing. This time the cost was over $600! I was flabbergasted, as my driveway needs to be pressure washed at least once every quarter or it turns black.
I went to Lowe's and bought a pressure washer without doing any research and came home with a washer that shot water at a rate of 1800 pounds per square inch (psi). The pressure washer was barely able to get half of the grime off of my driveway. After a year of futile effort, I bought another pressure washer, again without doing sufficient research; I came home with a washer that still was not up to the task. Finally with my third pressure washer, I had what I needed. It cost me more than the other two washers cost me in the aggregate but it does the job.
If I had listened to my own advice, I never would have hired anyone to do my pressure washing and I would have researched pressure washers much more thoroughly before I purchased one. If I had followed those two steps when I moved to my house, I would have saved well over $4000 in costs over the past 8 years!
Buy a Good Ladder
You need a good ladder. Not a step ladder. Not a little six foot painter's ladder. You need a ladder that can get you to the roof of your house, to your gutters and to most of the tree branches that you likely want to trim. Without a ladder, you will need to hire people to (i) trim your trees and tall shrubs, (ii) clean your gutters, (iii) fix your roof, (iv) hang holiday decorations, (v) clean second story windows, and (vi) change a lot of light bulbs. All of these tasks are relatively simple but they all require a ladder. Don't wait until you really need a ladder to purchase it. You need to have it ready when the need arises. I have 3 ladders of different heights and designs and they make it very difficult for me to feel the need to hire contractors to do a lot of simple tasks around my home.
You Need a Lot of Wrenches
If you are going to be handy around the house, you need both a full socket wrench set and a large combination standard/metric wrench set. Furniture and plumbing use a variety of bolts of different sizes and if you do not have the necessary wrenches in your tool chest, your attempts to fix a lot of things will be seriously hampered. If you had to do so, you might be able to improvise a hammer or a screw driver, but you certainly cannot improvise a wrench!
Don't Mess with Wiring!
If you make a mistake when you are repairing a wall or hanging a picture, you will make more work for yourself. You might even create such a big problem that you have to call in an expert. If you make a mistake when you are working on electrical matters, you might kill yourself or someone else. I learned early on that I would not try to work with wiring because I am not a trained electrician. Any money I save in fixing a wiring problem on my own will be minimal by comparison to the costs I incur if I burn down my home. Don't assume that just because you can regrout a tub or spackle a hole in a wall that you can also rewire your home. Sometimes the best financial decision is to hire a contractor.
Never Hire a Painter
House painting, in my humble opinion, is the greatest scam facing non-do-it-yourselfers today. When I was growing up, I did not know anyone who hired someone to paint their home. My parents painted. My neighbors painted. Everyone painted. When I moved into my first real home, I noticed that there were painters trucks in my subdivision every day. When my wife decided that she wanted to paint the entire house, we went with the flow and hired a painter. We suffered through his poor service for three months before he finished the job all while billing us for insanely expensive overcharges (which, in retrospect, we foolishly paid).
Last month I painted our master bathroom. My wife helped with the trim and I handled the rest. It took me four hours and cost me all of $60 – the cost of the paint and the brushes. I looked back on what we paid that first painter – about $3500 for my entire house (interior). Looking at the square footage of my bathroom, I think I can safely estimate that it will cost me about $500 to paint the my entire house so I wasted about $3000 by hiring someone the first time I wanted a new coat of paint on my walls.
Take the Time to Organize Your Tools
As I mentioned, I do not have my dream tool bench yet. Someday, there will be a corner of my garage devoted to my tools. Now, all I have is a large, 4 level storage rack, but my tools are all neatly arranged on it. I can find all of them when I need them and that ensures that I can do my jobs when I have the time to do them.
In the past, I have been less organized and thus got less done. After a while, so many jobs would pile up that we would have to bring in a contractor just to get back to square one.
Don't Undertake Tasks that Cost You Money
There are some jobs that I could do but that I still contract out because the contractor makes it worthwhile for me to do so. The best example I can offer is that of Tony, the fellow who does my lawn. He charges me $100 per month and for that, I have my lawn mowed, edged and trimmed every week and all of my garden beds weeded. His charge includes all of his costs so I pay a flat $100 per month regardless of what he needs to do in my garden beds or with the lawn. If I were to do what Tony is doing for me, it would take me about three hours per week and I would need to purchase a lawn mower and other equipment. Considering that I pay about $25 per week for Tony's service and given that I can earn more than $25 in the three hours that it would take me to do my own lawn, I do not see any way for me to take over my lawn care duties until I am retired and have a lot of time on my hands!
Buy a Wheelbarrow
If you are going to work outside, a wheelbarrow should be among the first items that you purchase. Whatever you are doing in your garden, chances are good that you will need to move heavy items from one place to another. Unless you are Hercules, trying to move things without a wheelbarrow will be both difficult and likely to cause injury – both reasons to find someone else to do the work for you. Buy a wheelbarrow and you will find that you have fewer excuses to justify paying a contractor to spread mulch or lay down sod in your yard.
What tools have you found that have saved you money in your home? What tasks do you feel anyone should be able to do without hiring a contractor? What tasks simply are not worth the time and effort?
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Atta's Fork
Mrs. Tailpipe flung open the front door and walked in with quick, short steps, as if she were carrying something heavy. Tailpipe turned to see her rumble into the kitchen, one hand pushed into the pocket of her jacket, clutching something through the material.
"This," she said, dropping the object on the counter, without letting it touch her skin, "is Mohamed Atta's fork."
There it lay, an ordinary metal table fork, its handle engraved with vines and curlicues an unimpressive-looking utensil if Tail ever saw one. But the name gave it a special heft. Tailpipe looked at it warily, as reluctant to actually touch the thing as Mrs. T., half expecting it to start glowing red.
"Lynn gave it to me," Mrs. T. said.
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Tailpipe had, of course, heard the stories about the World Trade Center terrorist's connection with South Florida: How Atta and two or three others had lived locally while taking lessons at a Venice flying school and a Miami-Dade computer simulation center, how Atta had posed as a prince from a royal Arab family with an interest in aeronautics, how three of the terrorists had gone to Shuckums Bar & Grill in Hollywood four nights before the hijacking and got into a spat with the manager.
But who knew there were remnants of al Qaeda's Broward County pass-through still floating around?
Tailpipe's neighbor, Lynn DeLano, it turns out, had been the terrorists' landlady when the diabolical Atta and one or two others lived at 1818 Jackson St. "She's got a bunch of stuff from Atta's apartment in Hollywood," Mrs. T. said.
This car part's grasping metal heart leaped. Judging by Internet sources, al Qaeda memorabilia is a growing international market: everything from tacky Osama bin Laden cigarette lighters (with a diode lighting up a bomb explosion on one of the embossed Twin Towers, as the al Qaeda mastermind's bearded, glowering face looks on) to bits of building rubble from Ground Zero to scorched Korans from Iraq to Osama sock puppets. The wave has apparently not yet reached our shores, except for a burgeoning kitsch market in things like Osama toilet paper ("Wipe out Osama") and tacky T-shirts. But the valuable stuff that's still mostly in the hands of Third World street vendors.
This, though, is America, where most big flea markets have a stall or two with a pile of Lugers, flags, swastika armbands, and Nazi helmets. Tailpipe assumes that, when it comes to making money, old-fashioned capitalism always trumps distaste. Anything once handled by the 9/11 master terrorist, he figured, would eventually be worth beaucoup bucks.
DeLano, an intense, good-looking, 37-year-old businesswoman and single mother who's always in a hurry, told the 'Pipe that her dealings with Atta had been brief and businesslike, though she had developed an instant dislike for the man. The glancing contact with him, DeLano says, has brought her little more than a kettle full of trouble.
At the time, she had no inkling of Atta's connections, of course. The widely distributed mug shot of Atta shows a man so full of lemon-sucking sourness that his face looks like it's about to implode. But DeLano says that, though he looked foreign when she first set eyes on him, he wasn't nearly so "freaky," and he spoke unaccented English.
"He still reminds me of the Lebanese cabdriver in the television show Wings," she says. "You know, the guy who's the monk." Tony Shalhoub, star of Monk?
"Yeah," DeLano says. "I owned another building, on Dewey Street. He came to me and said he wanted to rent an apartment there. But he only wanted it for four months. He said he'd give me four months' rent up-front in cash. My greed started to kick in. But then he said he needed it furnished."
Something told DeLano that the guy was more trouble than he was worth, and she turned down the offer.
A few months later, she bought the building on Jackson, and who should be a tenant on the second floor of the run-down, 13-unit boarding house but Atta? After that, DeLano saw little of Atta and his roommate, Marwan al-Shehhi, supposedly his cousin, as she proceeded to renovate the building, apartment by apartment. By September 11, she says, "their apartment was next."
The night of September 11, she got a call from the Hollywood police asking her to come immediately to her building. It was after dark, and like the rest of America, DeLano was upset. She had been trying all day to reach her mother in Poughkeepsie (who, it turned out, had actually seen one of the attack planes flying low over her house).
"It was late, and I said, 'Look, whatever altercation my tenants have had, you're going to have to handle it,'" she recalls. "Then they put the FBI on the phone."
Jackson Street was jammed with unmarked black Suburbans, she says. "They said, 'Sit in the car so we don't attract too much attention.' Like nobody could tell something was going on." They told her that her tenants had been among the World Trade Center terrorists, and they handed her a search warrant. "And they shut me down for six weeks."
The FBI stripped the place of documents and letters and took anything else that interested them. There was a straight chair from which they sawed a piece off the back, where apparently Atta had rested his hand. They burrowed into the walls and took down the window dressings. ("They had Venetian blinds, pulldown blinds, and drapes," DeLano says. "That was one dark apartment.") They told DeLano she'd have to take an anthrax antidote, just in case the place was infected.
By the time the FBI left, weeks later, there was just an assortment of banged-up furniture and some odds and ends scattered around the apartment. Not thinking of their potential value, DeLano gave much of the stuff away and packed the rest in boxes to store in her garage in Fort Lauderdale. "There was one of those novelty Coke bottles, with the neck stretched out," she says. "I gave it to one of the tenants, and I heard later that he sold it for a lot of money on eBay."
She gave a glasstop coffee table to a friend. "It's like a drug dealer's table, with the glass surface to cut the cocaine on," she says. In fact, FBI agents told DeLano that there was evidence of drug use in the apartment, with empty cocaine baggies under the furniture and jammed between couch cushions. The new owner of the table, she says, likes to boast that it's his "terrorist coffee table."
So what other Atta memorabilia does she have? DeLano sorts through the junk in her garage, and all she can come up with is a pair of bedroom table lamps. They have plaster bases in the shape of Grecian urns, and they're painted gold. "I used to use them in my guest room," she says. But the dark weight of Atta finally caused her to move them to the garage.
Tailpipe picks one up and looks at the bottom, which is covered with a felt pad. He taps it.
"It's hollow," he says. "I wonder if there's anything in there."
DeLano's eyes grow wide. "I never thought of that," she says. "Let's look."
As she works to peel away the felt, Tailpipe envisions a microfiche with stored information or maybe a letter of authorization from Osama himself. Tailpipe has seen all the old spy movies.
"If we find something," DeLano says, "we'll be in headlines all over the world tomorrow."
But there's nothing. Not in the lamp DeLano works on nor in the one Tailpipe holds. Just empty spaces where the form of the mold had stood while the plaster dried.
Back in Tailpipe's kitchen, Atta's fork still sits on the counter, encased in a clear plastic bag now, as appealing to the 'Pipe as a dead mouse or a cat's hairball. "Let's get rid of this thing," he says. Tailpipe considers dropping it into the trash.
But then he gets a better idea. If there's really a market for stuff like this, he thinks, he'll auction the fork on eBay and donate the proceeds to a worthy charity. How about the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, which is raising money to rebuild Ground Zero?
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Real Estate Hail Mary
The Super Bowl has a lot in common with the South Florida housing market. Like being overhyped and oversold maybe? So it seemed only natural to apply the football theme to a sensaaaaational real estate auction at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood a few weeks ago.
The real estate agents at the "Florida Super Auction" came dressed in red football jerseys. Two young women were the cheerleaders complete with sweaters, miniskirts, and pompoms, which they shook energetically during the auctioneer's marble-mouthed delivery. The auction's "spotters," whose job was to locate bidders among the crowd, were dressed like referees. To keep all those big-buck buyers from piling on like a bunch of rude defensive linemen, that is.
When the auction started, the referees auction dealers call them "ring men" dashed around the banquet room, pointing their hands, coaxing the spectators. "Is that a bid?" one demanded of some unsuspecting schmoe who had scratched his neck a little too vigorously. "Is that a bid? No? You sure?"
Yeah, we're sure. Like the Super Bowl itself, the auction turned out not nearly as competitive as its boosters would have hoped. Said auction organizer Nicole Hollander: "I would have loved to have had a fire marshal in there telling me there were too many people. But that didn't happen."
"I seem to be counting down a lot today," deadpanned one auctioneer. "Did you notice that?"
Tailpipe noticed. Bidding for most of the homes started around $300,000 and in most of the cases, it either finished around $100,000 or failed to get a bid even at the suggested rate. An oceanfront condo in Naples couldn't find a taker at $75,000. A three-bedroom house in Punta Gorda went for just $125,000, as did a three-bedroom in Palm Coast (the seller reportedly said afterward, "No way at that price.")
The Super Bowl is just a fading memory now. Can you say the same for our state's ever-buoyant housing market?
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I need to make up my mind regarding breast reconstruction, with breast implants and breast lift. I have gone to different plastic surgeons. I am 50 years old and weigh 104 lbs. I have no fat in my stomach.
I had a mastectomy in January followed by radiation. I would like to have reconstruction on one side and a definite lift on the other. One doctor says do the one step latissimus dorsi with implants on both sides; the other says do a deip flap muscle sparing. Who is right?


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God who's excited about the Hunger Games? I love this movie, when it was called Battle Royale, and the Running Man… Good times.
Check out these epic spoofs of the nations long awaited movie about teens killing teens… and look for my feature length script in about 10 years after everybody has forgotten about all this Katniss nonsense. "Katniss"… pfft, it's not even a real name!
In no particular order, check out these Hungry spoof videos!
The Hungover Games
The Funny or Die crew has assembled an all star improv cast with some amazing talents from LA's talent pool, including som Upright Citizens Brigade regulars, like Billy Merrit, Marisa Pinson, David Ferguson, James Pumphrey, and Starring – Ashley Hinshaw and Kathryn Hahn.
Though a little light on jokes, this is one of the better videos I've seen from FOD lately.
Evil Iguana Hunger Games Trailer Spoof
This is pretty tight, I mean the production value (mainly sound quality) could be improved upon, but the gags and jokes are overflowing on this chumpy.
I Wanna Go "Hunger Games" (Britney Spoof)
Did somebody say, Britney Spears Hunger Games Spoof/Parody, sexy girl in a skin tight dress break? Yes indeed. While it's a little lacking in the humor, a lyrical proficiency, it is overwraought with big bloue eyes… go lord Whitney Lee Milam, careful with those things! You could hurt someone!
The Hunger Games Game
Slumber party, more like Hunger party! Am I right girls? This is a pretty tight faux commercial for the board game every 80's girl should have wanted.
The Hunger Games Trailer Ruined by Rob Pattinson
God dammed Pattinson.
The Hunger Games Book
finally here is something a bit different, you all know that even if a movie is based on a book, they'll release a new version of the book based on the movie… and sometimes something else…
Hunger Games – Pickup Lines
Brought to you by the AskMen, it's a tutorial to help you on your Dating Game with lines from the Hunger Games
Hungry Games – A funny Hunger Games tribute
This video champions itselfs as "A slightly funnier take on any events from the book and more original than any other fan made thing out there." So.. you decide.
The Hunger Pains
Before this even started, I saw Rachel Bloom was in it and I knew it was going to be amazing… my expectations may have out lived the reality, but I did really enjoy every time Todd Fasen (Pita Malarkey) ran by smiling and waving. That was tits! Also, Rachel Blooms tits, are tits.
The Hamburger Games
And Finally .. something short and meaty.
Well time to end this list and leave you hungering for more.


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West Palm Beach, FL, United States, 2011/09/26 - Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric l Bradshaw is highlighted in a new website MeetTheSheriff.com in efforts to enlighten the public of Sheriff Ric Bradshaws latest news and events - PBSO.org / MeetTheSheriff.com.
This new website, although independent from being officially from Ric l. Bradshaw, brings to light the successes of Sheriff Bradshaw the citizens of Palm Beach County and surrounding areas.
The main section of this website features all related videos and commercials regarding Ric L. Bradshaw efforts on the community along with the entire Palm Beach County Sheriffs office (PBSO). The homepage of Meet The Sheriff.com also showcases important Polls thats seeks answers from visitors of the site to gain insight on the public voice and how they feel toward the countys sheriff.
This one local domain can be used to get in contact with Ric Bradshaws local social network by following the Facebook and Twitter icons found on every page of this website. Other main tabs can be found on the navigation window. One tab is titled From Sheriff Ric Bradshaw which takes note a message from Ric Bradshaw taken from PBSO.org. Anthony R, the designer and creator of this website states Our goal here is to compile all available news and events related to the Sheriff of our county. A place where you can truly Meet The Sheriff.
Sheriff Ric L. Bradshaw is a career law enforcement professional responsible for leading the largest law enforcement agency in Palm Beach County. Sheriff Bradshaw has a successful track record of forty (40) years in law enforcement. He rose through the ranks of the West Palm Beach Police Department and in 1996 was appointed Chief of Police. On January 4, 2005, Sheriff Bradshaw was sworn in as Sheriff of Palm Beach County. Sheriff Bradshaw is the thirteenth sheriff to serve as the countys chief law enforcement officer since the agencys origin in 1909.
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Bucs' Jeff Faine not quite ready to return
Starting C Jeff Faine is still at least a week away from returning to practice in a meaningful capacity.
Faine said after Sunday's game that though he would like to make an effort to play next Sunday at Philadelphia, the team's medical staff has told him to temper his enthusiasm.
But Faine said his triceps injury is much improved, saying he is ahead of schedule. The original prognosis called for him to miss as much as six weeks. Faine has missed three games since suffering the muscle strain in the season opener.
His loss has greatly affected pass protection and, perhaps to a greater extent, what was supposed to be a potent rushing attack.
Faine is predicting a return on Oct. 18 for the Bucs' home game against Carolina.


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Please Note: Our office is now located at the Salemwood School - 529 Salem Street, Room A125, Malden, MA, 02148.
To reach us by phone, please call 781-388-0643 and ask for extension 1125.
The Partnership for Community Schools in Malden (PCSM) was launched in 1999 by the Malden Public Schools and City of Malden to coordinate comprehensive out-of-school time programs for Malden students in grades kindergarten through eight. Our programs are currently available at the Beebe, Forestdale, and Salemwood Schools. Programs have included school-year and summer learning opportunities reaching more than 8500 students over the past sixteen years. Our after school programs are funded by the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education through the 21st Century Community Learning Centers (CCLC) grant. For more information about the requirements of this funding please see our FAQ page.
Our after school programs include A to Z University (grades K-5) and Channel Surfing (grades 6-8). Both programs provide an atmosphere of learning and support for students – where student's academic skills are enhanced and students can receive a continuum of care during the often unsupervised after school hours. Through our varied and flexible programming, we support and challenge the physical, social, and intellectual growth of each student. Our academic activities support the work students do during the school day. Our recreational activities foster sportsmanship, healthy competition, teamwork, and fair play. All programs provide students with activities that promote healthy lifestyle choices and help decrease risky behaviors. Our youth-centered activities are tied to educational objectives that align with state and district curriculum priorities; as well as youth development principles identified by the National Collaborative for Youth.
A variety of purposeful and intentional clubs and activities help students overcome barriers to learning and help them achieve their highest academic potential. Each day, students are given opportunities to delve deeply into topics that enrich and reinforce classroom learning and help overcome learning gaps. At the same time, our programs also address social/emotional learning by helping students develop skills for life effectiveness. Interwoven with our academic programming are activities that help students recognize and manage their emotions, develop care and concern for others, foster positive peer and adult relationships, make responsible decisions, and handle challenging situations.
As part of our program offerings, we also provide before school programming called Jump Start. This program is currently available at the Beebe and Forestdale Schools, with plans to offer it at the Salemwood School if nine students commit to attend per day.
We also offer summer programming for students entering grades K-8 at the Salemwood School. Our summer camps are theme-based and offer a mix of literacy and math, as well as science and social studies activities. We also offer camp-like activities for participants such as sports, arts and crafts, games, and more. Details regarding summer programming will be posted in April 2017.
2016/17 Program Dates
A to Z University
Session 1 – September 8 to December 2
Session 2 – December 5 to March 10
Session 3 – March 13 to June 16
Channel Surfing
Session 1 – September 12 to December 1
Session 2 – December 5 to March 9
Session 3 – March 13 to June 15
Jump Start – September 8 to last day of school
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I came here looking for this info and didn't find it, so I'll leave this here: no use bringing up supplemental gear for the Column. It's protected really well and there aren't any placements anyways.
I was also wondering if you could link pitches 1 and 2, and I highly recommend not doing this, the drag would be horrendous.
The crux is really short; all in all I honestly felt the crux of Shadow and Flame was harder. While this isn't a great route, it isn't a terrible one either and I enjoyed the outing.


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OK, imagine this: a Breathe Right Nasal Strip *under* the skin, just over the bridge of my nose. That's basically what I'm dealing with. It's like there's a little mound/band of cartilage and if I press the sides of my nose I don't immediately feel the septum; instead, I push several millimeters through empty space before I get to the septum. Then when I let go of the pressure, the sides bounce back out. Is this a medical condition? The left pic is how it normally is, the right is pushed in
Weird Nasal Cartilage over Bridge of Nose
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Nasal Collapse
With pressure, you demonstrate a collapse of the cartilage in the middle of your nose. If you've had previous nasal surgery, it is possible too much cartilage was removed. If not, there may be a separation of these cartilages from your septum. With careful examination by a rhinoplasty surgeon the cause will be determined and alternative treatments discussed.
Normal anatomy
You are describing normal nasal anatomy. The walls of the mid to lower nose are made of cartilage. You are pushing in what we refer to as the "valve" are. If you collapse this region, you will have diminished airflow. Since you did not mention any breathing issues, it sounds like you have a nice open valve.
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Collapse of middle third of nose
It sounds and looks a bit like the middle vault collapse with inspiration. Sometimes they are not supported well enough. If they do not cause a breathing issue and are aesthetically normal in repose, I would do nothing.
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Nasal Cartilage over Bridge of Nose
Thanks for the expert photo images of your nose. But your issues are to difficult to diagnose over the internet, especially from your description. I see what you are speaking about. An in person detailed nasal examination is the correct path to follow, seek consults from boarded rhinoplasty experts in your area.
Variation of Cartilaginous Structure of Nose
Best to be examined by a rhinoplasty specialist or ENT. You don't indicate whether you have had any surgery in the past. There is not a known "medical" condition for the collapsible cartilage of the middle third of your nose, but likely a rare variation of anatomy. Good luck and be well.
Dr. P
Encino, CA
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Leave the Homebuilders Alone
The homebuilders sure are tempting, aren't they? The group continues to benefit from spurts of institutional buying as big investors make bets that the builders have survived through the worst of it.
Last week, August housing starts were a bit of a disappointment, coming in at 750,000 units vs. the 770,000 consensus estimate. Starts in July, meanwhile, were revised lower to 733,000 from the prior 746,000. The good news was in existing-home sales, which soared 7.8% from July to 4.82 million units, well above the consensus estimate of 4.58 million....449 more words left in this article. To read them, just click below and try Real Money FREE for 14 days.
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Giveaway Day (week!) was an amazing way to start off December, but that's just a smidge of what we have in store for you. Here's a little "head's up" of what's on the calendar.
On Monday we kick off the Ruby Star Wrapping Contest. If you've been participating in the Ruby-Star Wrap-Along, then you're ready. If not, you still have some wrapping to do, right? Just remember to take photos of your gorgeously-wrapped gifts, blog about it, then enter the contest! To entice you, here is the GRAND Prize! (There are three other amazing prize packages as well.)
- Copy of Ruby Star Wrapping
- $50 Gift Certificate to Sew,Mama,Sew!
- 6 Green Bee Patterns
- 1 fat quarter pack Micro Mod fabric
- 1 vintage rotary phone from Melody
- 1 yard Melody Miller trim
- 6 Ruby Star Sparkle fat quarters
- 1 bundle washi tape
On Tuesday we'll announce another contest we're involved in called, Stuff Your Crafty Stocking! With 14 winners and over $2000 in prizes, you won't want to miss it. You might even win a sewing machine or a $100 gift certificate to Sew,Mama,Sew! All you'll have to do is like some Facebook pages–easy peasy! It's a fun way to increase your chances of getting what you really want for the holidays. (And by that we mean fabric.)
On Wednesday, and for the rest of the month, we're going to celebrate family time! We always look forward to the winter break so we can get some fun craft time in with the kids. We have many wonderful guest contributors lined up with unique projects to do during your holiday down-time. Plus, you'll have the chance to win some excellent books about crafting with kids! We're really looking forward to it and hope you are too.
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Can't wait to see the kids' craft projects!
Nice! Looking forward to a packed month!
I am really looking forward to this. My children love to create with me but being small it is sometimes hard to get crafts that work for both of them (4 and 2 years).
Thanks so much for the awesome job you do in finding these ideas.
Can't wait to get started on everything!!! 🙂 Love the busy-ness here!!!
Thanks for the opportunities,
Thank you so much for hosting these December contests and Giveaway day.
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Demographic ageing and sustainability of fiscal policy: projections with a renewed generational accounting model
An updated version of the Nederlandsche Bank's generational accounting model is used to assess fiscal sustainability. The model gives net lifetime taxes for current and future generations. In addition, the same model is applied to make forecasts of budget deficit and debt in percentage of gdp. Without additional policy, both indicators - generational inequality and the deficit/debt measures - point at fiscal unsustainability in the long run. The model is extended with a feedback mechanism between investment and labour productivity growth. With this endogenous effect included, a budget neutral increase of public investments leads to less inequality between generations and eventually to a lower increase in the deficit and debt rates.
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Swatch Push The Button
Ok so it's slim-pickings this time of year but we did see this facebook promotion from Swatch in Isreal from earlier this year. Swatch, the international watch company, launched its all-new Swatch Chrono Plastic collection in Israel. The slogan for the campaign was "Push the button of fun", designed to introduce the collection's values of fun, extreme sports, and style.
To promote the new collection, Purple came up with 'Stop the Time'—a branded Facebook game where fans chose their favorite Swatch Chrono Plastic watch and kept their mouse button pushed on it. The longer they held onto the watch with their mouse, the greater their chance of winning it at the end of that week.


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Honorary degree citation to Ada Deer (Doctor of Laws)
You grew up in a log cabin on the banks of the Wolf River within the Menominee Reservation in Wisconsin. Since your childhood, learning well from your mother, you have been a lifelong advocate for your people. After the federal government terminated the independent reservation status of the Menominee nation in 1954, you were a significant force in the re-recognition effort of the 1960s and '70s that culminated in 1973, when President Richard Nixon signed the Menominee Restoration Act. This act and your advocacy served as an important precedent for other tribes seeking restoration.
Following studies at the University of Wisconsin, where you were the first Menominee student to attend, and at Columbia University, where you were the first American Indian to receive a master's degree, you used your many talents to help disadvantaged people. You served on the American Indian Policy Review Commission and on the Native American Rights Fund, which you also chaired. In 1993, you became the first Native American woman to serve as the Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs, and in that office you forged a progressive partnership between the government and the native community and pushed for greater self-determination for Indian tribes and for better protection of treaty rights. You have developed and chaired the Indian Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and you also hold a distinguished lecturer appointment at the School of Social Work.
Today, Dartmouth, proud of its Colonial heritage as an institution committed to Native American education, warmly embraces you, and our roster is now the richer by conferring upon you our degree Doctor of Laws.
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Debbie Carlson is a first grade teacher at McHarg Elementary School in Radford who has been teaching for 35 years — 20 in Montgomery County and 15 in Radford City. Two years ago, she said she ended the school year feeling like she didn't get to know the parents of her students because their only interaction was during parent conferences or at Open House.
At the beginning of the 2012 school year, Carlson wanted to find a way to remedy this, so in order to help build a sense of community with her first grade classroom, she organized a tailgate party for the first home RHS football game last fall. "I had Coach Saunders' daughter in my class so that was the inspiration for the tailgate," said Carlson. She said they had a great turnout and it established great rapport between her and her students' parents.
Carlson said she and her class had a fantastic school year, and felt it was due to all the parent involvement she had throughout the year. "My daughter, Lindsey Carlson Day, after 6 years of teaching upper grades, is teaching first grade for the first time at Critzer Elementary in Pulaski County. With Radford and Pulaski scheduled to play the first home game at RHS, I had begun planning another tailgate to kick-off this school year," said Carlson. "During the night, when teachers' brains are full of 'what ifs' and 'how tos' it occurred to me that it would be a lot of fun to do a tailgate with Lindsey's class. I couldn't wait to call her about it."
Carlson said Day was excited, too, so they put the plan into action. They contacted the cheerleaders, made banners, and taught their kids a common cheer to perform together at the tailgate. "After the tailgate we plan to write class letters to each other and then individual pen pal letters later in the year," said Carlson. "We hope this will be a great experience for both our classes."
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