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THE number of residents seeking help for debt problems has increased by more than a third, a charity has claimed.
Last year, almost 1,700 people in Chester approached debt charity StepChange, up 39 per cent from 1,218 in 2012 to 1,696 in 2013.
The charity's figures show people contacting the charity from the Chester area are struggling to make ends meet and have on average just £14 left each month after covering their essential household bills.
Those from the area who contacted the charity's helpline owed an average £13,195 in unsecured debt.
The findings have been released to coincide with the charity's Debt Awareness Week, which aims to raise awareness of the potential signs of debt problem and encourage people to seek advice earlier.
StepChange is urging people to recognise they may have a debt problem if they are juggling or falling behind on essential household bills, or borrowing to make it through to payday.
Other warning signs are making just the minimum repayments on your debts, borrowing more to pay off existing debts and getting hit by late payments or overdraft charges.
StepChange chief executive Mike O'Connor said: "Debt can have a devastating effect on people's lives in the form of mental health issues and family breakdown.
"We need people to take early action to prevent some of the worst effects and get back on their financial feet much sooner."
For more information about StepChange and Debt Awareness Week visit stepchange.org.
To contact the free phone helpline call 0800 138 1111 from 8am to 8pm, Monday to Friday and 9am to 4pm on Saturday.
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finally solved the dubbing mystery
Been tying for a few years but I've always struggled with dubbing. Tried wax and dubbing loops, but it never looks good.
Tonight I was looking through threads and found mention of the WD-40.
Did a google search and found a couple videos on the WD-40.
This fly looks like it would work on my favorite target (bluegill) so I got out the tying box and got busy.
Improvised (as usual) for material and ended up using Daiichi #16 hooks, olive thread, golden pheasant for hackle, and antron dubbing.
First couple flies looked bad and as I was tying the next one I only got about 1/3 of the dubbing I'd been using when I pinched some off. Oh well, wrap it then add some more. It actually spun on the thread and looked just like the dubbing the experts do!
Found out less is better - much better!
Flies looked much better as I progressed, and I think they might actually catch fish. (Note the one on the top left - the first attempt :icon_redf)
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I struggled with dubbing for a while too. The I figured out finally that less is more and you can always add more if you need to. Those flies look excellent!
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Looks good Wab, I can certainly see a progression in your ties. They look good man! Here are a few things that have really helped me with dubbing.
Start with clean hands. Sounds silly, but try it.
Like Mr. Bash said, less is more--start with less dubbing than you think you will need. Almost to the point where you'd think "wow this isn't going to be enough". Just a pinch then touch dub it. You can either use wax or even saliva. You can always add more dubbing if you need it. Especially for small flies, a tiny pinch will get the job done.
If you're doing a dubbing brush for really buggy flies, same thing applies, less is more. Make your loop and tease it out with velcro.
Stay with it, that's the best way to get the hang of it. Clearly it looks as though you've started to. :thumbsup:
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Nice work! Isn't it great to be in a Sport/Hobby that allows us to keep learning no matter how long we have been at it!!
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Isn't that the truth Kerry! Fly fishing truly is a journey. There are so many layers of this pastime we all enjoy. I've always felt that in life, you never stop learning unless you purposely try not to. Mistakes are often one's best learning experience. Fly fishing is no exception. I am continuously amazed by the membership on this forum's collective knowledge, experience and willingness to help others.
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Here's a tip for those learning to tie that helped me when I started tying, if you think you have enough dubbing in your fingers pull half of it out hold it up to your light and if you can see through it dub it. Another thing I learned to do with synthetics like super fine, antron and others is take a pinch and then start tearing to shorter lengths. Its a PINA getting the long fibers to wrap the thread evenly, sometimes I'll take a good grip of whatever I plan to use and chop it up so the fibers are shorter. With natural materials like muskrat, rabbit and squirrel, tack wax is your friend, you don't need to lather your thread just give it some traction to grab onto.
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Practiced a little more tonight.
A fly swap on another forum, and I figured it would be a good opportunity to work on my dubbing.
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For dubbing tips and just plain material handling have a look on YouTube for Davie Mcphail. I have been tying for 42 years and I still learn a lot from his tying videos, especially his dubbing and wings. Your flies look awesome!
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Davie is an incredible tier, I too have learned a lot of techniques from him. I am mesmerized while watching his videos. The end results are just amazing.
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Photo Flash: ON OUR TOES Celebrates in the Hamptons
On Our Toes in the Hamptons, the annual performance and fundraising gala featuring Ronald K. Brown's Evidence, A Dance Company one of the world's most acclaimed dance troupes, returned to the Hamptons for the seventh year to celebrate its 25th anniversary & honor longtime supporters Prince Kunle Omilana of Nigeria & his American born wife Princess Keisha Omilana at the Hamptons estate of The Honorable Bernard H. Jackson and his wife Joyce Mullins-Jackson.
Several hundred guests cocktailed poolside at the Jackson's magnificent aerie, savored special Belvedere cocktails and champagne from sponsor Moet-Hennessey and nibbled on hors d'oeuvres from Kyle's of Shelter Island including Crab cakes with chipotle mayonnaise, Vegetable samosas with mango chutney, Argentina beef, Chicken sate with Thai spice, Pork sate with ushanpon Sicilian hot panada pockets, Cajun chicken, mini-mac and cheese and sliders.
Drummers called the guest to the enormous tent for a buffet dinner that featured
among many tempting offerings Grilled lamb with feta and tomato; Sundried tomato cones filled with water chestnut and spinach dip and Spinach cones with smoked salmon mousse.
Magnificent as the food was, the highlight of the event is always the performance by Brown's amazingly talented dancers. Referencing their recent tour of Africa and the gala honorees, they performed the electrifying "Ebony Magazine: To a Village" which brought the crowd to their feet. Brown & his dancers - Arcell Cabuag, Waldean Nelson, Donovan Herring, Sule Adams, Lilli-Anne Tai, Annique Roberts and Nicholas Anderson took well deserved bows t o thunderous applause. Following this, Brown and the dancers asked the guests to join them on the dance floor.
The afternoon fete continued well beyond its 7pm scheduled end as dancers fueled by endless trays of sweet treats continued to pack the dance floor and get down the hot soundtrack spun by DJ Doug Dickerson and emcee Lamont McCormick of Diversified Sounds.
Founded by Ronald K. Brown, Evidence, A Dance Company is rooted in African dance fusing Contemporary, Jazz and Ballet with the rhythms and sounds of the African Diaspora and Caribbean cultures. The annual gala of cocktails, auctions and performance has been long recognized as the premiere African-American cultural and social event of the Hamptons summer calendar drawing an extraordinary list of Hamptons' luminaries.
Event Chair was Reginald Van Lee now Chairman Emeritus of the company. Ms. Jackson was elected Chairman earlier this year.
Andrea & Maurice Duboise, Emmy winner Lynn Whitfield, Oracean Price (mother of Venus and Serena Williams), Hon. Bernard & Joyce Jackson, Noel Hankin, Susan Taylor & Khephra Burns, Caron Wheeler, Dwayne Ashley, Gail Monroe Perry, Veronica Claypool, Leslie Mays, Zaid Abdul-Aleem, Dwayne Ashley, Monica F. Azare, Joanne E. Hill, Andrea Hoffman, Jennifer Streaks, BrIan Haynes Copeland, Lisa Walker, Ancy Verdier and Kathleen Vita were among the crowd.
Adding a touch of glamour, luxury firm Hermes displayed & sold the custom scarf created to commemorate Evidence's anniversary and the Committee Co-Chairs all sported jeweled bags courtesy of Judith Lieber.
Arcell Cabuag, Sule Adams, Annique Roberts, Donavon Herrin
Alexandra Diaz, Lynn Whitfield, Gail Monroe-Perry
Andrea and Maurice Dubois with friends
Board member Jocelyn Taylor and Carl Nelson
Chairman Emeritus Reggie Van Lee, and Lynn Whitfield
Edward Callaghan, Lynn Whitfield, John Wegorzewski
Jennifer Streaks, Zaid Abdul-Aleem, Khadijah Abdul-Aleem
Khephra Burns, Susan L. Taylor, Princess Keisha Omilana
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August 29, 2012 BY Aaron Hope
It made sense that Nike Sportswear would hook up with Dover Street Market as part of the London Olympic celebration, but it might have been too much to handle with these dropping along with all the other heat in recent weeks. Accordingly, the DSM x Nike Air Force 1 Low release was pushed back from a mid-August target until Saturday, September 1st when select retailers like SNS will have the above pictured 'whiteout' available in-store. If any pairs are left, they'll be made available online later during the weekend, so click through to get a look at this pristine white leather deconstructed Air Force 1 Low and let us know if you'll add the Dover Street Market collabo to your AF1-XXX collection.
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While many of us may have been dreaming of a white Christmas, the weatherman has given us all something of a lump of coal this year, promising a wet and windy week, with heavy downpours of liquid rather than frozen water.
However, there's no need to be a Scrooge and get all grumpy about the rain this Christmas, as by taking a trip to London any time over the festive period you'll still be able to enjoy a huge range of excellent indoor attractions.
After all, it isn't like us Brits aren't used to rain, so it should come as no surprise that the capital is well-equipped with things to do on a rainy day.
Ripley's Believe It or Not, for example, is set to remain open throughout the week, including on Christmas Day itself, so if you're looking to have your mind well and truly blown while keeping dry at the same time then this is a terrific option.
Among the many weird and wonderful things on display here are a number of Christmas-themed items, including nativity scenes painted onto pumpkin seeds.
London is, of course, home to a fantastic range of world-class museums, and taking a trip to one of these is always a great to way spend an afternoon when the weather's not particularly appealing.
While many of these will understandably be closed from December 24th to 26th, some will be embracing the festive spirit by remaining open and putting on special Christmas events.
Among these is the Dickens House Museum in Bloomsbury, where visitors will be able to enjoy a Victorian Christmas and really get a feel for what December 25th must have been like for Charles Dickens himself, as well as his famous protagonist, Ebenezer Scrooge.
So, rather than let the rain dampen your festive mood this week, why not take advantage of this excellent opportunity to experience some of London's finest indoor offerings?
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Drew Brees completed 26-of-39 passes for 307 yards, four touchdowns, and zero interceptions as the Saints crushed the Bucs 41-0 in Week 15.
It was a simple cake walk for Brees and the New Orleans offense. On the opening series, Brees completed all five of his passes for 67 yards and a score to David Thomas. It was smooth and breezy sailing from there. It didn't matter who Brees threw to, the Bucs were effectively terrible in pass coverage. The four scores went to Thomas, Darren Sproles, Lance Moore, and Joseph Morgan in that order. Chase Daniel came in to play half of the fourth quarter. It was an all-around easy day as Brees probably didn't even break a sweat. The Saints will head to Dallas in Week 16.


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LONDON — Kenny Dalglish's second stint as Liverpool manager ended Wednesday when he was fired following the club's disappointing eighth-place finish in the Premier League.
Dalglish was in charge for fewer than 500 days, as club owners decided to terminate his contract despite having ended the team's six-year trophy drought with the League Cup triumph in February.
"Results in the Premier League have been disappointing and we believe to build on the progress that has already been made, we need to make a change," Liverpool chairman Tom Werner said.
That decision was taken after Dalglish flew to Boston this week for an end-of-season review with the Boston Red Sox ownership group, which owns Liverpool.
After the 2011 baseball season, the Red Sox hired a new manager in Bobby Valentine, after Terry Francona parted ways with the team.
A League Cup triumph in February secured Liverpool's return to European play through the Europa League. Dalglish also took the team to the FA Cup final, but he fell short of the owner's target of finishing in the top four in the league as Liverpool went 14-14-10 and wound up 17 points behind fourth-place Tottenham. The Reds finished behind crosstown rival Everton for the first time since 2005 and only the second time since 1987.
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by Bruce Strand, Sports editor
Brooke Salo is best described as an "energizer" on the soccer field, and not only because she's Zimmerman's all-time leader in goals.
"Brooke has a super positive attitude. She picks everyone up," said coach Jeff Downing. "She is an energizer for the team. She has played every position on the field, even goalie a couple times. She stays in great condition, and I don't think she's every asked for a substitute (to rest)."
A 5-foot-8, 140-pound midfielder with a sharp mind (4.0 GPA), sturdy, agile physique and cheery demeanor, Salo knocked in five goals as the Thunder went 3-0 in a season-opening tournament last weekend.
She's delivered 12 goals each of the last two seasons. Her career total around 35, which tops the old Thunder record of 30 by Hannah Fordahl. (Her exact stats for 8th and 9th grade were not available at this posting).
"She is not the fastest player but has good anticipation in knowing how to get in the best position to do the job," said Downing. "She's good with faking people out to get herself some space. She has always been ahead of the curve for her age group."
Salo, a co-captain the past two years, has made all-conference each season since ninth grade while leading the Thunder in goals all along.
Soccer has always been her game. She dabbled briefly in other sports but knows her niche.
"I started soccer in pre-school," she said. "I remember that we got a little flyer in school, and I went out and played, and I thought, 'Hey, I'm kinda good at this!' I've been playing ever since. You like best the sport where you do well."
Salo has helped the Thunder improve each year, from 2-14-1 her freshman season to 6-11-0 and 9-6-2 last season. They finished above .500 for the first time last year, and had 12 players score, the most ever. That was fun, but Salo was "really scared" about this year, with several starters graduating. However, the good opening tournament was encouraging. "I was really proud of them," she said about the newcomers.
The biggest goal Salo ever made was not for the Thunder but for her summer team, the TRSA Red Bulls. In the league playoff finals against Centennial in early August, with a state trip on the line, Salo made a header with a minute left, off a corner kick from Maddie Jacob.
"She crossed it to me and I just flicked it in. That was the best feeling ever! I just went over to her and cried," said Salo, referring to Jacob, also her Thunder classmate.
Salo had eight goals for the Red Bulls, proficient with either leg, while working hard on playing faster and smarter, said coach Aaron Lindquist, who added that he would take Salo "on any team, any time." When he brought some 16's and 17's players to a college showcase in Iowa in late July, he said, Salo proved to be "an absolute standout" in that setting.
The Thunder scoring leader plans to continue soccer at Concordia-St. Paul
Personal file — Age: 17 … Family: parents Andrea and Chad; younger brothers Brenden and Brady … Sport: soccer …. Academics: 4.0 GPA … Other activities: National Honor Society … College plans: Concordia-St. Paul, soccer, major undecided
Favorite stuff — Class: math … TV show: English Premier soccer games, World Cup, "Big Bang Theory" … Movie: Disney movies, especially "Cinderella" … Food: Chinese fare …. Drink: chocolate milk after games … Music: old country, especially George Strait … Team: Germany in World Cup … Athlete: Alex Morgan … Kickback: fishing, camping, being on the lake … Wants to visit: Italy


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Cass. Co. deputies investigating crash that injured toddler
CASS COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Cass County deputies are investigating a crash that injured a toddler.
It happened Monday, near the intersection of US-12 and Old 205 in Mason Township.
Deputies say a 73-year-old man driving a pickup truck, and a 25-year-old woman driving a car collided.
Both drivers, as well as the woman's 4-year-old daughter, were injured.
The woman had to be extricated from her car, and was taken by medical helicopter to Bronson Hospital in Kalamazoo.
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Pharm giant Merck came up with a novel way of advertising their drugs: they made up a phony peer-review Journal. And guess who published it for them? Every academic's favorite publishing behemoth, Elsevier!*
It's a safe guess that somewhere at Merck today someone is going through the meeting minutes of the day that the hair-brained scheme for the Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine was launched, and that everyone who was in the room is now going to be fired.
The Scientist has reported that, yes, it's true, Merck cooked up a phony, but real sounding, peer reviewed journal and published favorably looking data for its products in them. Merck paid Elsevier to publish such a tome, which neither appears in MEDLINE or has a website, according to The Scientist.
What's really ironic is that the reason (or I should say, the excuse) that Elsievier gives to libraries for gouging them so badly for subscription fees is that we're paying for quality. That the Elsieveir name means you're getting authoritative, peer-reviewed information that is beyond reproach. At least, when it isn't shoveling shit advertising and tryng to pass it off as research.
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Police Respond to Report of Man With Gun Near Sherborn School
Police officers searched the area near an elementary school in Sherborn this afternoon after a report of a man with a gun, NECN reports.
A heavy police presence remained at the school Wednesday afternoon, but after the area was checked and cleared, children were released to parents.
Pine Hill Elementary School immediately went into a lockdown after the incident at 12:44 p.m. today, The Boston Globe reports.
All of the school's approximately 400 students, who are between pre-kindergarten and fifth grade, are currently safe and accounted for, school officials said.
Two students reported seeing a man walking in the woods next to the school with a gun, according to the Globe report.
The Massachusetts State Police said in a tweet that the air wing assisted in the search. A K-9 unit from the Natick Police Department was also on the scene, Fox 25 reports.


text: Once 20 dogs find homes, shelter can finish distemper clean up By Megan Workman December 26, 2012 Story Share CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- The Kanawha-Charleston Animal Shelter will be able to completely clean the site of last week's distemper outbreak once the 20 adoptable dogs that are still at the shelter find a new home, the shelter's director said Wednesday.Donna Clark said shelter employees have cleaned the building one section at a time but once the space is cleaned, dogs are then placed back in that section so "we can't totally clean the whole space right now."Once all of the dogs are adopted, everything will be wiped and sprayed down using bleach and water, she said.The cleanup will be finished in two days but the shelter needs to be empty to clean and dry overnight, she said.The shelter will be closed for another week, she said, except for the adopt-a-thon hours scheduled for 1 to 4 p.m. tomorrow and until the dogs are gone.Most of the dogs left available to adopt are older, big dogs, which shouldn't deter people from adopting, Clark said.The older dogs are the "adult package instead of the puppy" and they don't "chew on everything in the house," Clark said.The adoption response since Friday -- when nearly 50 dogs were adopted in two days following an outbreak of distemper that was discovered Dec. 19 -- has "slowed down," Clark said. "I expected it to slow down because everybody is busy with their own lives right now for the holidays," Clark said. "I'm happy that so many have been adopted but I'd like to say zero [were left]. I'd like to say everybody got a home."The shelter has attempted to save as many dogs as possible since the outbreak. Four veterinarians examined all 96 dogs at the shelter last Thursday to determine which are healthy and which might need to be put to sleep.Four dogs were found to be sick and were euthanized. The other 52 -- mostly stray dogs that just arrived at the shelter -- have been held in quarantine for observation.Thirteen dogs remained in quarantine Wednesday but seven were adoptable, Clark said.The dogs still being treated should be up for adoption if they continue to improve, she said.Six of the seven adoptable dogs -- like many of the dogs in the past week -- have had their adoption fees paid for. The seventh dog's fees are half-paid by people who "couldn't take a dog in [but who] came in and paid the fee for someone else," Clark said previously.People should call the shelter in advance at 304-342-1576 after they choose a dog from the shelter's website, www.wvanimalshelter.com. To see more pictures of the adoptable dogs, visit the animal shelter's Facebook page at www.facebook.com/WVAnimalShelter.Reach Megan Workman at email@example.com or 304-348-5113 Story Share Story Share Trending Now 1 Innerviews: Dual-identity surgeon riding high in horse racing world 2 Huggins, WVU tap South Florida hoops talent 3 WVU seeking improvements during off week 4 Former State Police captain now chief in Winfield 5 Rod Run and Doo Wop brings classic cars, music to Boulevard for 12th year Suspect in October shooting surrenders Previous Story WVU clinic helps Syrian mother and son gain asylum Next Story


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Super Hot Leryn Franco was Only Reason to Watch Pan-Am Games [PICS]
The 2011 Pan American Games in Guadalajara has virtually gone unnoticed…until now. I'm not sure any of the events were even shown on TV, but honestly, it doesn't matter. The most important reason to check out this years Pan-Am games is Leryn Franco and you don't have to turn on the TV, thanks to yours truly.
Leryn Franco is a smoking hot javelinist from Paraguay. You might remember her burning up the net during the Beijing Olympics. Franco is sure to become even more of an international sensation following this years games.
The gallery of Leryn Franco below is sure to tighten your pants.
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After my complaining about the time commitment involved in last week's recipe, I was pleasantly surprised with how easy and hands off this recipe is. It required a trip to the store, but other than that, eat was extremely easy. I actually made my first trip to the liquor store in I don't know how long, for this recipe. The recipe calls for Armagnac which comes from a special grape in France. Dorie also said that cognac or brandy could be substituted. My mom always told me that orange juice could be substituted for brandy, and I think that's the only thing I would have done differently.
I went to the liquor store looking for a small bottle of Armagnac, but our local store didn't carry it, so instead I walked out with the smallest, cheapest bottle of cognac I could find! I wasn't really worried about quality since it was going into a hot pan with veggies and chicken! When I worked in the food industry I served liquor, and so I was pretty used to the smell, but it's been so long, that when I opened the bottle, it took me back to Sunday dinners at my grandpa's house. I can still remember him putting his brandy snifter over a steaming cup of water to warm it up. It's amazing the memories that are associated with smells.
As for the chicken, I cooked chicken halves so that I wouldn't need to do a lot of carving. It really was delicious. The cognac flavor wasn't strong enough to make me head to the liquor store, but I'm excited to have this as a method for cooking chicken. Next time I'll sub out orange juice or apple juice, but if you can have a complete dinner in a little over an hour, with hardly any hands on work, I'm all for it. Plus, my kids devoured it! Delicious, delicious dinner!
Oh, and I know the picture doesn't look that appetizing, but I find it really challenging to take nice looking photo of chicken!
*What is French Fridays with Dorie? An online cooking group dedicated to working our way through Dorie Greenspan's newest book, Around My French Table. We try a new recipe each week and post about it on Fridays. If you're interested you can pick up a copy of the book and follow along with us here.


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The Serena medium trolley bag is a roomy and lightweight bag that allows the user to carry everything they need when away from home. It is convenient because, in addition to being lightweight and easy to handle (it is made of nylon), it is also foldable and therefore easy to store once returned home. Inside, it features dividers, zipped pockets and elastic straps to keep clothes in perfect order. It is also equipped with a practical larger outer pocket. It is available in three different colours: fuchsia, blue and black.
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The Sounders FC prides itself on its preparation.
The coaching staff pores over video for hours leading up to each match, trying to find the best examples of clips that the team can use to scout out the opposition.
One of the greatest challenges of the CONCACAF Champions League is tracking down video of the teams involved. In the case of Caledonia AIA from Trinidad, Seattle's first opponents in the 2012-2013 tournament, no such video exists.
"They're probably the team right now going into the Champions League that we're going into the most blind," Sounders FC head coach Sigi Schmid said. "They are not in their season yet. They've changed their roster, so they have different personnel than they had. We've seen clips of past games that they've had, but a lot of those are with players that aren't on the team right now."
Not even Trinidad-native Cordell Cato could offer much insight into the club.
"I really don't know much about them. They're just from my home, but I'm going to be new to the team like everybody else," said Cato, who played for San Juan Jabloteh and Defence Force in Trinidad before coming to the Sounders in the offseason. "All the teams play differently, but the main thing is you try to keep the ball, pass the ball and maintain possession and build from there."
The Sounders have been able to garner some notes about their first opponent, but will largely be relying on their own abilities to get them through their first Champions League tilt of the tournament.
Caledonia qualified for the tournament by winning the 2012 Caribbean Football Union Championship in June. It will be their first appearance in the Champions League.
For Seattle, it will be the third straight year they have appeared in the tournament, qualifying each year they were eligible.
They hope to exceed their success from last year, when they reached the quarterfinals before falling to Mexico's Santos Laguna.
This year, the tournament is much more condensed than previous years. With just four matches in the group stage, as opposed to the six group stage matches and two preliminary round matches the Sounders played in previous years, there is a greater impetus put on each match.
"The main important thing for us is to get the three points at home," Schmid said. "You want to get three points at home."
Kickoff is set for 7 pm Pacific Time with television coverage on Fox Soccer and the radio broadcast on 97.3 KIRO FM.
Tickets for the match are available by calling 877-MLS-GOAL or visiting SoundersFC.com. Tickets start as low as $15.


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Zuku University Basketball League Finals: (Today, Lugogo)
A feast. A carnival. A grand finale. These are just some of the ways organisers hope the final day of the Zuku University Basketball League (ZUBL) will turn out.
"We want to see all the universities (in the ZUBL) coming out to celebrate the league as their property," said ZUBL official Abel Nson ahead of the season climax at Lugogo.
"We want them to come out and show why the university league is a big deal." Today is the biggest day of the maiden ZUBL season, which started two months ago and attracted 10 universities.
And organisers have promised a fun- packed menu to compliment the day's main business of crowning the champions.
Musical performances have been lined up for what is expected to be a big crowd. The finalists will surely mobilise enough support with all that is at stake.
The final four had not been determined by press time with the semi-finals having been scheduled for yesterday evening. Even then UCU and Makerere are likely to meet in the women's final while UCU and Ndejje are favourites to contest the men's crown.
Of course, the organisers made no secret of their desire to see these predictions defied, knowing full well that one of sports enduring beauties is watching an underdog chase glory.
Heading into yesterday's semi- finals Makerere and Cavendish were the outsiders for the men's title.
Makerere, with its cast of upcoming talents like Famy Sebatandira and Tony Drileba, were set to play UCU for a place in the final while Cavendish were in line for a third crack at Ndejje after losing their last two meetings narrowly.
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OutKast's Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik: A 20th Anniversary Retrospective
On April 26th, 1994 OutKast's debut album Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik was released on the heels of an impressive 4.5 mic rating and glowing record review in The Source, which was regarded as the Bible Of Hip-Hop publications at the time. Things were looking up for a young Andre 3000 and Big Boi.
Sales for the album remained steady upon it's release as fans really appreciated the themes, pacing and cohesiveness of the full album over focusing on it's singles. It spread through word of mouth and caught on organically rather than behind the buzz generated by one particular song. The follow up single shared it's title with the album and it also cracked the Billboard Hot 100 (peaking at #74), the F. Gary Gray directed video entered the regular rotation on both BET and MTV for the second time in a row further raising awareness of the duo. The dank smell of the versatile funk from The Dungeon orchestrated by Organized Noize was finally being put on display. The mixing of live instrumentation with traditional Hip Hop production techniques found the perfect intersection between influential Soul, R&B and Funk albums of the late 60's to the mid 70's on Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik. Dre and Big Boi's tales of transitioning from adolescence to adulthood in Georgia resonated with many young people facing the same adversities all across the nation and the world. Music is universal, after all.
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Although OutKast's third single didn't become a commercial hit, it became one of the album's defining moments. "Git Up, Git Out" was a song that endeared this group and this album to many of not only Southern Rap's detractors but rap in general. It features the introduction of Goodie Mob (Cee Lo and Big Gipp) and is led off by a young Cee Lo who earned the Hip Hop Quotable Dopest Rhyme Of The Month for his efforts. This introspective song showed the range and maturity of these young men and it echoed many of the same feelings of aimlessness and struggle the listening audience was also experiencing in their lives. It was easy for some heads to find parallels between the themes of Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik and Nas' Illmatic released the previous week as he was also an old soul in a young body. Rap fans began to realize that we were really in the midst of another Golden Era. The Dungeon Family first made their presence felt in the Hip-Hop world through this LP via Goodie Mob ("Git Up, Git Out" and Society Of Soul ("Funky Ride"), foreshadowing the classic material they'd create in the future.


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Almond Oolong from Adagio Teas
As I've often proclaimed, I love Oolong Tea. I usually prefer unflavored Oolong teas because I really enjoy the complexity of an Oolong; however, I do occasionally find a flavored Oolong that I like.
This is one such example. The Formosa Oolong base is a perfect one for the sweet, nutty flavor of almond, because most Formosa Oolongs naturally possess a sort of fuzzy peach-like flavor to them which I find compliments the almond flavor quite well.
The aroma of the dry tea leaves is pleasantly nutty with a delicate floral note in the background. The sweet, nutty aroma remains in the brewed liquid, although it softens quite a bit.
This tea has a very rustic sort of taste to me. The Oolong does have some of those peachy notes that I mentioned, and there is a quiet sort of flower-y flavor as well as a very slight smoky quality to it. It is a decent quality Oolong, perhaps not quite to the level of "fancy" Formosa, but, it is very good.
I think that some of the interesting layers of flavor that make up the complex nature of the Oolong is lost because of the strength of flavor of the almond; although it does have it's own rich taste and a somewhat silky mouthfeel to it. It is the almond flavoring that gives it such a rustic taste to me, it kind of tastes like a homemade dessert – or more accurately, like the crunchy topping of a baked cobbler.
Adagio Teas describes this tea as
Combining savory almond slices with the bright, fruity taste of Formosa oolong tea, our Almond tea is a great stand-alone drink as well as the perfect dessert complement. In fact, it is so versatile that, if you don't like our Almond tea, you're probably the one that's nuts.
I don't ice a lot of Oolong teas. This is because I feel that Oolong tea has such a uniquely complex flavor (or set of flavors) that I feel an Oolong is just "too good" to be iced. However, that mindset changes when it comes to flavored Oolongs. I think that a flavored Oolong is perfect to serve as an iced tea – and this one is no exception. It is so thirst-quenching and delicious!
If you do prefer your Oolong tea hot, this one is very nice to serve with dessert. YUM!
This tea is quite good without any sweetener, but, I think I prefer it with just small drizzle of honey. I find that this brings out some of the sweeter notes of the almond just a little. Overall, not an exceptional Oolong, but still a very good one!


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Wrestling: Trojans move forward along postseason trial
WORTHINGTON — Step one has been cleared for the Worthington Trojans as they wrestled well against Luverne in the second round of Section 3AA's South Sub-section Tournament to advance along the tournament trail.
With their 50-19 win against the Cardinals, the Trojans move to 1-0 in the postseason. They will wrestle Quad County Friday evening in Granite Falls. The winner of that dual will then wrestle the winner of an opposite semifinal — between Fairmont/Martin County West and Dawson-Boyd —for a trip to the state tournament.
"I think it was good to get back on the mat again after that long break," Worthington head coach Mark Prunty said. "Overall, it was a good match. Luverne made it tough and there were a lot of tough matches."
Luverne, seeded fifth, found itself victorious in a few of the evening's close matches against Worthington, but the Trojans were able to hold their own and do damage control where wins weren't picked up.
Worthington won nine matches in the dual in some way, shape or form, including head-to-head bouts won by sophomores Hser Eh Pwae (106) and Hser Moo Pwae (113), senior Anthony Luft (126), sophomore Cody Michelson (145) and seniors Zach Kempema (160) and Blake Schroeder (170).
Luverne had victories against the Trojans from freshman Will Natte (120), senior Cody Hess (132), sophomore Adam Fodness (138), freshman Solomon Nielsen (152) and senior Spencer Oeltjenbruns (182).
The Cardinals used four falls and a string of seven matches won through the middle weights to defeat Tracy-Milroy-Balaton /Westbrook-Walnut Grove in the first round.
"The kids wrestled very hard. We adjusted our lineup to try to get better matchups and pull out a team victory against Worthington, but they wrestle tough," Luverne head coach Craig Schneider said. "They're a well-coached group of kids and they wrestled well tonight."
Also in the first round, New Ulm defeated Fulda/Murray County Central. The Warriors saw their season come to an end but received pins from sophomores Clayton Hartle (113) and Ben Blanchette (126) in the 69-12 loss.
"New Ulm has got a decent team and there is a reason they're seeded third and we're seeded sixth," Fulda/MCC head coach Dan Blankenship said. "Clayton did his job and Ben pinned his wrestler. We have to stay off our backs and wrestle harder."
Second-seeded Fairmont/Martin County West defeated third seed New Ulm in the second round, 55-13.
Worthington senior Blake Schroeder, with a fall in 2:31 over Luverne senior Dalton Jacobsma, secured his 100th career victory and his 50th career pin. He was one of three seniors who wrestled their final matches on their home mat.
"For our three seniors who wrestled, it was their last time on the mat and they went out in style with all three getting pins," Prunty said. "Anthony, Zach and Blake have done that for us all year. The season isn't over, but they'll be missed next year."
Luverne 45, T-M-B/W-WG 25
106: Perez (T) dec. Baker 6-5; 113: Carlson (T) major dec. Renken 16-7; 120: Natte (L) pin Mayer 6:00; 126: Hess (L) pin Illg 1:32; 132: Christian (T) dec. Fodness 10-8; 138: Axford (T) pin Priebe 1:57; 145: Dooyema (L) pin Gilbertson 1:15; 152: Nielsen (L) pin Bucholz 1:16; 160: Smid (L) dec. Schwartz 3-0; 170: Jacobsma (L) pin Zvorak 1:33; 182: Oeltjenbruns (L) won by forfeit; 195: Schultz (L) won by forfeit; 220: Her (T) dec. Reker 2-1; 285: Anderson (T) pin Swenson 1:12.
New Ulm 69, Fulda/MCC 12
106: Hawk (N) won by forfeit; 113: Hartle (F) pin Ranweiler 1:42; 120: Wacker (N) pin J. Gehl :23; 126: Blanchette (F) pin Bode :48; 132: Iles (N) pin Gehl 1:23; 138: Brandes (N) pin Carlson 1:44; 145: Hoffman (N) dec. Beech 5-1; 152: Deslauries (N) pin Heintz :29; 160: Snelgren (N) pin Nelson 1:08; 170: Hoppe (N) pin Nelson :58; 182: Wilfahrt (N) won by forfeit; 195: Hernandez (N) won by forfeit; 220: Greenwaldt (N) won by forfeit; 285: Berg (N) won by forfeit.
Fairmont/MCW 55, New Ulm 13
106: Howk (N) pin Hugget 3:56; 113: Steuber (F) pin Ranweiler 3:59; 120: Ettesvold (F) dec. Wacker 6-4; 126: Maldonado (F) major dec. Bode 10-0; 132: Krenz (F) pin Iles 2:19; 138: Brandes (N) major dec. Bulfer 12-4; 145: Gronewold (F) dec. Hoffman 3-2; 152: Weber (F) pin Deslauries 3:54; 160: Lange (F) pin Shelgren 2:25; 170: Hoppe (N) dec. Luman 5-0; 182: Gouls (F) pin Wilfahrt 2:58; 195: Brown (F) dec. Hernandez 5-1; 220: Geguera (F) pin Greenwoldt 5:11; 285: Berg (N) pin Moscoffian 4:42.
Worthington 50, Luverne 19
106: Eh Pwae (W) major dec. Baker 12-2; 113: Moo Pwae (W) major dec. Renken 15-5; 120: Natte (L) pin Pavelko 4:38; 126: Luft pin Luke 2:43; 132: Hess (L) dec. Camacho 10-8; 138: Fodness (L) dec. Blanchette 5-4; 145: Michelson (W) pin Dooyema :36; 152: Nielsen (L) dec. Riley 7-5; 160: Kempema (W) pin Smid :33; 170: Schroeder (W) pin Jacobsma 2:31; 182: Oeltjenbruns (L) major dec. Putnam 12-3; 195: Abraham (W) won by forfeit; 220: Hagen (W) won by forfeit; 285: Wietzema (W) won by forfeit.


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|On Wednesday night, Burnett interviewed Tim Clemente, a former FBI counterterrorism agent, about whether the FBI would be able to discover the contents of past telephone conversations between the two. He quite clearly insisted that they could: [...]
"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak".
On Thursday night, Clemente again appeared on CNN, this time with host Carol Costello, and she asked him about those remarks. He reiterated what he said the night before but added expressly that "all digital communications in the past" are recorded and stored [...]
Let's repeat that last part: "no digital communication is secure", by which he means not that any communication is susceptible to government interception as it happens (although that is true), but far beyond that: all digital communications - meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and the like - are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the government after the fact.
To describe that is to define what a ubiquitous, limitless Surveillance State is.
I'd recommend reading this in its entirety, not a very long read and rather interesting imho. Written by Glenn Greenwald btw.
Oh and for those coming in here wanting to claim he was just a nutjob with no credibility:
|There have been some previous indications that this is true. Former AT&T engineer Mark Klein revealed that AT&T and other telecoms had built a special network that allowed the National Security Agency full and unfettered access to data about the telephone calls and the content of email communications for all of their customers. Specifically, Klein explained "that the NSA set up a system that vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the cooperation of AT&T" and that "contrary to the government's depiction of its surveillance program as aimed at overseas terrorists . . . much of the data sent through AT&T to the NSA was purely domestic." But his amazing revelations were mostly ignored and, when Congress retroactively immunized the nation's telecom giants for their participation in the illegal Bush spying programs, Klein's claims (by design) were prevented from being adjudicated in court.
That every single telephone call is recorded and stored would also explain this extraordinary revelation by the Washington Post in 2010:
Every day, collection systems at the National Security Agency intercept and store 1.7 billion e-mails, phone calls and other types of communications.
It would also help explain the revelations of former NSA official William Binney, who resigned from the agency in protest over its systemic spying on the domestic communications of US citizens, that the US government has "assembled on the order of 20 trillion transactions about US citizens with other US citizens" (which counts only communications transactions and not financial and other transactions), and that "the data that's being assembled is about everybody. And from that data, then they can target anyone they want."
And while we're at it, another lesson in "just because they killed the law by that name doesn't mean it won't come back under a new name":
|Strangely, back in 2002 - when hysteria over the 9/11 attacks (and thus acquiescence to government power) was at its peak - the Pentagon's attempt to implement what it called the "Total Information Awareness" program (TIA) sparked so much public controversy that it had to be official scrapped. But it has been incrementally re-instituted - without the creepy (though honest) name and all-seeing-eye logo - with little controversy or even notice.
The logo from back then, looks like a bad joke about the Illuminati - but apparently it was no joke:
Later a nice explanation of how Obama flip flopped on this issue.
|The Obama administration condemned this move on the ground that it threatened core freedoms, only to turn around six weeks later and demand that all forms of digital communications allow the US government backdoor access to intercept them.
So the next time anyone talks to you about the lack of civil liberties and disregard for (human) rights in the evil communist regimes or arab countries you should probably spit in their face and/or laugh, your choice.


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Angela Corey's office had – by her account, anyway – the legal equivalent of a wardrobe malfunction yesterday. While distributing what thesmokingun.com calls "supplementary discovery records," they included two items that weren't supposed to go out to the public: George Zimmerman's high school and college transcripts and the above photo of Trayvon Martin's dead body lying face down in the grass. There are, of course, two explanations for this. The first is that someone in the prosecutor's office inadvertently included a few pieces of evidence with a routine release that simply shouldn't have been there. A regrettable administrative cluster. It happens. Then there's the more likely explanation . . .
That scenario has a prosecutor in one of the highest profile cases in years seeing both the evidence and the tide of public opinion steadily going against her. To slow the momentum, she "accidentally" releases inflammatory evidence – a shot of the dead kid's body and Zimmerman's grades detailing his failing academic record – in a desperate attempt to salvage her case.
It's probably just a coincidence that all of the mistakenly released evidence happens to work against the defendant, and will be seen by some as confirmation that Zimmerman was nothing more than a dim racist mouthbreather out to shoot him a black kid.
After distributing the picture, a Corey aide sent an e-mail to reporters noting that a "photo depicting the killing of a person" was "confidential and exempt" pursuant to state law.
No explanation or excuse for the release, just an apparently half-hearted claim of legal exemption. You make the call.
114 Responses to Zimmerman Prosecutor's Desperate, Dirty Trick. Or not.
Here's another possibility. Corey sees that public opinion is moving against her. In order to save face, she releases these documents in the hope that the judge will declare a mistrail due to the defendant's inability to get a fair trial now that these documents have been released.
yeah, that's what i was thinking….
Da fuq? The formatting's gone to hell. You guys change something, Robert?
At first I thought Corey was running a sophisticated, planned "fall" to screw up the obviously overzealous prosecution and let the case die a slow technical death. Then I looked into her record and read her abuse of those who criticise her, including threats to sue Harvard Law. Now I think she's just a semi-literate mouthbreathing publicity hound who is fathoms out of her depth.
I concur that her record shows little evidence that suggests she is likely to engage in a subtle attempt to undermine the state's case.
I wish you guys wouldn't publish that picture. Regardless of what happened, that kid deserves privacy even in death.
its all over the web. also zimmerman deserves privacy so he can get a fair trial. don't look like that happened either.
Two wrongs….
Agreed. Just cause everyone else is doing it doesn't mean we have to join them.
Morals? Internet? What dimension are you from?
Do it for the lulz
Thugs who try to murder someone just for kicks don't deserve anything but a bullet.
Oh man, I didn't realize you were a witness, and had insight into Trayvon Martin's mind. You should contact the defense right away!
I doubt he's reading Trayvon's dead brain. He's probably just basing that on the evidence. You know, Zimmerman shot Trayvon from his back while Trayvon was beating his head into the ground. Trayvon WAS injured…his knuckles were scraped up from slamming them into Zimmerman's face. All this after casing houses in the neighborhood after visiting a convenience store to get stuff to get high (watermelon juice and skittles to mix into lean per his Facebook recipe)
His dead body deserves privacy? What?
No, he does, dead or not.
I honestly don't think he cares much. If you think this is distasteful, macabre, and disgusting that's fine (and I kinda feel that it is). But saying a dead person deserves their privacy doesn't make sense. It's like saying "my chair deserves privacy."
I'd prefer a more clear, high-res photo personally. I'm a morbid bastard.
Slightly distasteful, but to each his own.
At least your honest.
🙂 Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
How does a dead person deserve anything?
This case is FUBAR.
BTW, what's in his transcripts that would turn public opinion against Zimmerman?
Something about being at Columbia on a foreign national scholarship.
oh, you said Zimmerman..
jk….carry on….
That there is funny!
I think he withdrew out of his latest semester with a failing grade or something.
I think he withdrew out of his latest semester with a failing grade or something.
Apparently if you didn't do well in school and shoot someone in self defense you may have additional baggage in court. So now only smart people can defend themselves?
2wheels: "BTW, what's in his transcripts that would turn public opinion against Zimmerman?"
He said he graduated from Seminole State College, but records show evidence to the contrary because he failed an astronomy course in 2011. In the fall of 2009, he got a C in "Evil Minds – Violent Predators." He earned a D in "Intro To Criminal Justice."
So the evidence makes him look like a dumb liar, if you choose to look at it that way.
Which of course has nothing to do with this case or the evidence. Trayvon would be eligible for an assault charge if he lived, and his online posts would have sunk him.
I think the message here is: "don't make this guy your poster boy."
The prosecutor never cared about getting a conviction, and given that the charge is inflated, is not likely to get one anyway. So if they blow up their own case, it doesn't really matter to either of the families involved.
Most people like me were not in a rush to get a "guilty" verdict, we just wanted to make sure there was a trial.
You mean you wanted a media lynching. Well, you got one.
So now you're basically ok with a prosecutor ensuring a dismissal or a successful appeal, because all you cared about was getting someone charged with a crime, no matter how farfetched? Good to know. That's……….special.
No, you are reading more into it than I said.
When this first made the news, I was not upset because of the media attention or because of the crime itself.
I was upset because the police originally concluded that no crime had been committed. I feel like, in this particular case, it is the job of a judge and jury to decide if a crime was committed.
I was also upset, because it appeared (to me) that if the shooter had been black, the police would have acted differently.
Now that the case will go to a judge and jury, I am satisfied that they will do their job, and that the trial will not depend on the color of either party.
The prosecutor appears to be doing a very bad job, but it seems to be because they are inconsiderate and petty-minded, not because they are racist.
Now it may turn out that they blew up the case on purpose because of their personal feelings about the victim's race. But that seems pretty unlikely, even to me.
IANAL, but i dont think the police really make that decision.
I was also upset, because it appeared (to me) that if the shooter had been black, the police would have acted differently. Now that the case will go to a judge and jury, I am satisfied that they will do their job, and that the trial will not depend on the color of either party.
So only the police can be racist? Have you ever read any of my comments here?
You would arrest someone who shot someone from their back that was on top of them that had beaten their head open against the asphalt and broken their nose?
Doug: Yes.
The law does not limit self defense only to people who are losing the fight, nor does it assume that the person who is winning must have started it.
If GZ started the fight, then he should be arrested, regardless of how bad he was losing.
Not only charged with a crime, but to bankrupt them with legal costs.
So you wanted a trial for a man who did nothing wrong, wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars and ruining his life?
You and your kind should be ashamed.
He did do things wrong, but they didn't think he did anything illegal.
Obviously, he did plenty of things wrong. That isn't the question. The question was whether it amounted to murder.
If you are a neighborhood watch nitwit, and you decide on your own to carry a gun, and to go chasing down suspects in violation of your own rules, then you deserve a trial.
If you kill someone, you deserve nothing less than a trial.
You are defending someone who is clearly did everything wrong, and claiming he did "nothing wrong". And you think I am the one who should be ashamed?
"If you kill someone, you deserve nothing less than a trial."
Do you really believe this or are you just talking about this case in particular?
I'm always amazing at people's inability to see the vast grey area here, and their insistence to paint one side as good and one side as bad. Having not been there (like, you know, everyone but Zimmerman and a dead person) I don't really know what happened. I do think it's reasonable to assume that George Zimmerman is not a racist, that he didn't set out to kill someone and that he genuinely regrets that this kid is dead.
I also feel that this kid didn't deserve to die, and that he probably didn't pose a mortal threat to anyone. I think he, like Zimmerman, probably overreacted.
I don't think Zimmerman committed murder, but what happened isn't right. Angela Corey is going to prevent actual justice from being found for anyone, being the chicken hawk that she is, but that kid didn't deserve to die. It's too bad both sides of this unfortunate argument can't cut the rhetoric and hysteria and actually learn from this.
I think Pete makes a good point here. It is not fair to say that Zimmerman is a racist. We can't read minds, and we don't know his actual motives.
I am speculating that if some black guy had shot Zimmerman, the black guy would have gone to trial. In my opinion, the color of the shooter and the victim should not matter in whether or not there is a trial.
But yes, if you break neighborhood watch rules, and end up shooting someone as a result, then I do believe there should be a trial. That is pretty much the only reason that Neighborhood Watch has rules.
But yes, if you break neighborhood watch rules…
What rule did he break?
Matt, he was armed. Neighborhood Watch rules are very specific that you are not to be armed. Also, he got out of his car to try to find the "suspect". Neighborhood watch rules are very clear on this as well.
I am not saying what he did was illegal; it was not. But based on what he did, he should have expected there would be a trial.
Josh, You are correct. It was not illegal for him to carry a gun. But it is illegal to shoot a suspect.
The only question is, did he start the fight, or did the suspect?
Since he was so upset that he was breaking rules, we have some evidence that he was in a frame of mind to start a fight. We have no evidence that he actually did so, because he killed the only witness.
You can't claim to be innocent just because you can imagine a situation that explains all the physical evidence.
Similarly, you are not automatically innocent just because all the witnesses are dead.
I'm not as sure as you seem to be he did anything wrong. I guess your definition of just is different. Trayvon did plenty wrong, care to defend him?
GS: Assuming that TM had lived, then GZ would be able to press assault charges against him. GZ would actually have a good case, too, since TM called his girlfriend instead of the cops.
Still, I think the logical question is who started the fight.
What if it were your son? What if your son was walking home from the store and got killed by neighborhood watch?
Would you just say: "Oh, it's OK, the neighborhood watch guy had a right to defend himself."
Would you say: "It was my son's fault, because he once stole some watches."
Would you just believe anything the neighborhood watch guy said, no matter how farfetched? Would you believe your son started the fight, even if he appeared to be running away?
If it were my son, I would want to find out why the Neighborhood watch was following my son, why he was carrying a gun, and why he thought it was OK to get out of his car and place my son in danger.
What would you do? Would you stand by while the media and the armchair racists on the internet blamed your son? Would you?
So yeah, in answer to your question, I feel like I would defend TM, no matter what his faults, he didn't deserve to die that day.
"So you wanted a trial for a man who did nothing wrong"
But he did do something wrong.
We may never know if either Zimmerman or Martin felt that they were defending themselves (other than what is said by Zimmerman and recorded by 911). We do know that 1) Martin had the right to be where he was, 2) Zimmerman followed him, 3) Zimmerman was armed, 4) Zimmerman was told by 911 that following Martin was not necessary, 5) no evidence to suggest that Martin was doing anything wrong or suspicious, and, most importantly 6)Zimmerman was not in danger for his life when he started following Martin!
The prosecutor may paint the story that an armed Zimmerman was pursuing an unarmed, innocent man, looking for a confrontation, and Martin felt the need to defend himself. The evidence might support that argument.
I don't know or believe that this constitutes 2nd degree murder. I do know that this confrontation was avoidable by Zimmerman based on the evidence available to the public.
Last, armed citizens who seek out confrontation are at least highly irresponsible and makes all other law abiding, responsible gun owners and CCW holders look bad at least, dangerous, aggressive zealots at worst.
Oh yeah, he most definitely did something wrong!
If you have to lie to support your position, it is not worth supporting. Those are simply not the facts of the case.
Wrong? Maybe. Unwise? Definitely. Illegal? I don't think so- and that last one is what the courts are going to determine.
Zimmerman followed Trayvon until the dispatcher told him he didn't have to, then he stopped. Then Trayvon approached him, socked him in the face, followed him to the ground, pounded his face in, grabbed his head and beat it into the asphalt until Zimmerman was able to drag them into the grass because he feared going unsconscious. Trayvon then saw the gun and went for it, they wrestled over it and Zimmerman won, and he fired that shot.
Trayvon had only one injury beyond his gunshot wound: his knuckles were beat up from punching Zimmerman so much. What evidence exists that suggests Zimmerman started the right?
And that's why you were wrong. We don't try people in this country without evidence that they committed a crime. It's against the law, and it's unethical.
Actually, I think you can try people to determine if the evidence is sufficient. For example, let's say that two other random people get in an argument, and one of them is killed. There is certainly evidence of a crime, it is just that the evidence is unclear as to which crime, and by whom.
In some cases, we allow the police to determine that no crime was committed; in other cases, the police simply collect the available evidence, and send it on to the appropriate county and state officials.
A grand jury might decide that a crime was committed, or they may decide that there is insufficient evidence. Since this particular case went to trial, then that means, by definition, that there was enough evidence to determine that a crime was committed.
You might disagree, but unless you are a county judge, then the facts are against you.
You're wrong. It's not enough for a crime to have been committed by someone, somewhere, sometime, which is what the characterization in your first paragraph requires. It has to be THE crime alleged against THE defendant who stands accused of it.
In order to bring charges the prosecutor must establish that probable cause exists to support them. That can be done either at a preliminary hearing, in which case the charges are brought by a document called a prosecutor's Information, or by seeking a grand jury indictment. In this case Corey chose to file an Information, which, as has been pointed out ad nauseum does not even allege the elements of Second Degree Murder, or any crime, for that matter. The judge who allowed Corey's circus to proceed was clearly in error, and in breach of his duty. (Grand juries, by the way, do serve the investigative function you're wrongly ascribing to trial courts. Corey probably opted not to seek an indictment for that reason.)
In Zimmerman's case the police investigated the shooting and passed the evidence on to the appropriate authorities who determined that the evidence did not support bringing charges against him. That led do a disgusting display of racism and dishonesty by the racebaiters, et al, who cared only that the determination made by the proper authorities did not fit their predetermined conclusion.
All evidence in the case supports Zimmerman's account of the event and no evidence refutes it. His trial is a politically motivated farce.
McCann, I don't understand how you can measure the deatils of what everyone else is saying so carefully, and then make broad sweeping statements with no account for details at all.
You said "all evidence" in the case supports Zimmerman's account. That is just silly. For one thing, he has given at least two conflicting accounts. The evidence does not support both accounts.
But the most important point is that the court is not required to believe the story of the survivor. If it was, then anyone who could make up a rational story that fit all the physical evidence would be allowed to walk free. Casey Anthony would never have even gone to trial.
Well Dave, there are many things you don't understand.
Casey Anthony was tried because there was evidence to support the charges against her. No such evidence against Zimmerman exists. That's why the State, in its charging document, was unable to support its allegation or even set forth the elements of a crime.
McCann, I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree. Clearly you have read the documents that led to the decision to press charges. I have not.
But my experience is that sometimes Judges are right. It is a free country, and so you are free to second-guess the judge in print. I am similarly free to assert my opinion that it appears that the judge got this one right.
History may prove me wrong, but so far, it has not.
The fact that the charges in this case were filed as part of a racially motivated lynching without any evidence of Zimmerman's guilt is what proves you wrong.
Hi V.McCann:
Higher up in the thread, you stated (under my piece)
"If you have to lie to support your position, it is not worth supporting. Those are simply not the facts of the case."
I do perceive the items I listed as being facts of the case as reported in media and documents I have seen. However, I always allow that my perceptions or information that I rely on may not be correct.
Would you care to correct the statements of fact that I made that you believe are incorrect (specifically, the items 1 through 6 listed). Would greatly appreciate that.
Gladly. There has never been any evidence, nor even a serious allegation that Zimmerman followed Martin in any meaningful way. The context of the call and Zimmerman's statement indicate that his response to the dispatcher indicated that he was moving to so as to keep Martin in view, not that he was aggressively pursuing him.
In addition, there is actually quite a bit of evidence to support the contention that Martin was behaving suspiciously.
But what I was actually referring to is that most of the facts that you alleged in support of your argument are in no way relevant to whether or not Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin once Martin began beating him.
I have no reason to doubt that you are repeating the facts as you have heard them reported. The point is that your sources have been lying, gleefully and obviously, about the facts of the case.
Okay – I understand what you are saying. However, I did not say he was following Martin in a meaningful way, only that he was following.
I have not seen any evidence supporting that Martin was acting suspicioulsly. If you would not mind, add a link – I will go read it.
Last, I don't know whether Zimmerman was justified or not, as I don't know whether Martin had reason to be afraid. That is not my point
My point is that Zimmerman was not in danger of his life at the time he started following Martin, or at the time of the 911 call and possibly put himself in a position where he did need to fear. Possibly put Martin in that position, as well (we will never know).
I believe that one guy is dead, and the other will be fighting for his freedom, and that both were absolutely unnecessary if Zimmerman would have made a couple of different decisions.
BTW – thanks for the acknowledgement on the second post – I would not intentionally lie to prove a point. This is a blog, not life or death…:-)
But in order for your position to make any sense at all, you have to be alleging that Zimmerman followed Martin in such a way that Martin was justified in the use of deadly force against Zimmerman. There is simply no evidence that that happened. In fact Zimmerman expressly agreed, on tape with the dispatcher, NOT to follow Martin. The whole trope about Zimmerman following Martin was simply invented by the racist calling for his blood.
Zimmerman's defense is that he was reasonably in fear for his life while Martin was beating him and attempting to grab his gun. What he feared at any other time is completely irrelevant–especially so with regard to a time of an event that never occurred, that is, when he followed Martin. There is simply no evidence that that happened.
McCann, if GZ agreed not to follow TM, then why did he continue to follow TM after hanging up the phone?
The dispatch told GZ they didn't need him to follow TM between 7pm and 7:10. The shooting happened at 7:25.
You are just making stuff up.
Well, the prosecutor's office whole handling of this has been unprofessional and incompetent, by every one of their representatives from prosecuting attorneys to their investigators to Corey herself, so…
'Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.'
Napoleon Bonaparte
i better get rid of my guns. i only have a ged. and i got kicked out of the diploma mill iwas going to on the gi bill because i was partying to much to take it seriously. no self defense for me, i'm academically challenged.
Did the GED program not go into capitalizing the first letter of every sentence? Just kidding, but reading your posts make my eyes bleed.
program? when i was 16 i took a letter from my employer to the board of education and they administered the test. that's how it was done then. a couple months later i turned 17 and enlisted.
Martin's lawyers have moved for an SYG hearing where they will try to get the case dismissed. The judge already hates Marttin, so there's no chance of a dismissal at this point. Angela Corey is a lowlife, so I wouldn't put it past her to leak prejudicial evidence to poison the jury pool. She's not incompetent, but that doesn't mean that she or her staff is immune from screwing up. At the end of the day, this little leak won't matter. Martin shot an unarmed man. Rightly or wrongly, the jury won't be able to get beyond that one single point.
Zimmerman is the guy who shot Martin, who is now dead.
It's probably just a coincidence that all of the mistakenly released evidence happens to work against the defendant…
It's no coincidence at all. It's the prosecution's evidence; of course it works against the defendant.
There has been so much media on this case there will never be a fair trial. It isn't ever news anymore, you don't hear anything about it. It looks like both parties want it to slowly go away.
from the link about the polls:
"The plot thickens surrounding the Trayvon Martin case, as the biggest media circus since the Duke Lacrosse rape case continues."
Oh yeah, I remember the Duke case. Jesse Jackson, much of the university student body, the PC professors, and the mass media found the white male players guilty of raping the black woman before the trial of rape began. The white men were later found overwhelmingly innocent and the black woman went on to stab a future boyfriend to death last year.
I don't think the photo of TM on the grass and GZ college records are going to sway public opinion or affect the jury one way or another.
Maybe Corey will prosecute Zimmerman for her office's the unauthorized release of the the picture.
Nothing earth-shattering here. I don't need to see George Zimmermans high school transcripts to know he's and idiot, and I don't need to see a pic of Trayvon Martin post-mortem to know he's dead.
People who set out to commit hate crimes NEVER call 911 to tell them who they are and where they are and what's about to happen.
End of case.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!!!! We have a winner!
I don't think he "set out" to commit any crime, I think he "ended up" committing a crime.
The fine point at this moment (and what I'm responding to) is not about whether he committed a crime, it's whether he committed a HATE crime. Reading comprehension is key LBD.
The fact that this has been so blown up as a racial profiling, hate crime is ridiculous.
I don't know for sure if he committed a crime or not. I am fairly sure however that it cannot and should not be called a hate crime.
I think I have to agree with you there. The media completely missed the whole point on that respect. I never thought Zimmerman was a racist, or that it would matter if he was.
I thought he was a dangerous gun nut who had fastasies of being a cop that were placing his entire community in danger. But not a racist one.
Now the next question is whether the cops acted in a racist manner. I don't know. But I am free to speculate.
Yeah, a cop hugger he seemed to be…with fantasies of being a tough guy.
Would you shoot someone for no reason knowing that you had just summoned the police to the area?
I wouldn't even get out of my truck if I had just called the police. The fact that he did seems to indicate that he was acting on emotion instead of logic.
Or that he was a dangerous gun nut with a fantasy about being a cop.
Either way, he could have saved himself a lot of trouble by following Neighborhood Watch rules and staying in the truck.
That was not the question, and it is not at issue in this case.
What? Of course that's an issue. You can't just assume that all actions and decisions leading up to a killing are unrelated to intent. Anything the person says or does can be used as proof of intent.
Zimmerman's known actions leading up to the shooting negate your argument against intent. You don't summon the police as part of your plot to commit murder. And no, being outside of your truck does nullify your right to self defense.
That is, "negate your argument about intent."
Correct. Being outside of your truck does not nullify your "right" of self defense. It nullifies your "claim" of self defense.
Here's a question for the Zimmerman must die crowd: Can you set forth a scenario describing a stand your ground shooting with no living witness aside from the shooter in which the shooting was more obviously justified than Zimmerman's shooting a Martin?
OF Martin. Whatever.
Sure. Hundreds. What if Zimmerman had been still in the truck, like I keep saying. Then, in order to "stand your ground", Zimmerman would not even have had to get beaten up.
How about if Zimmerman had been at home alone?
How about if Zimmerman had been walking back from the 7-11 and Martin had been the one who followed him?
How about if you were walking your dog, and some neighborhood watch nitwit came up and pulled a gun on you?
That's four, and I haven't even added any situations yet where the "suspect" was actually a bad guy.
Martin had been the one who followed him?
Martin was the one who followed GZ. Zimmerman lost sight and then Martin doubled back and picked the fight.
lbd, reasonable scenarios. here's my take on the shooting. tray was a 17 yo hi school athlete. gz was a pudgy 28 yo cop wannabe. it was dark, raining and a residential area with lots of hidey holes. if tray had been serious about eluding gz it would've been done. gz and the cops together would've needed dogs and a chopper to catch tray had tray been trying to get away. tray had a cell phone but he didn't call the police or his father who was a short distance away. add to that the fact that gz was essentially armed with a pocket pistol, not the type of weapon to be trying shots on a moving target in the darkness and with just a little effort tray would've been safe. and tray wasn't shot in the back, but in the chest. do we know that tray even knew that gz had a gun before the shot was fired? i wasn't there that night. my take on this event is that both men showed real lack of smaets. does that mean gz is guilty of 2nd degree murder, we'll let the jury decide on that one. if he doesn't prevail in the syg hearing i think gz will be convicted of manslaughter.
Matt, that is a pretty obvious lie. It is the kind of lie that people always make up to justify the fact that they killed someone who was innocent.
"He was running away and hiding from me one minute, and the next minute, he popped out from the bushes and said he was going to kill me."
That is just goofy. Those are two contradictory behaviors. Either he was running away and you were chaing him, or he was stalking you. It can't be both. And if you were willing to go back to your car, then why didn't you just stay there in the first place? That story is so silly, it doesn't even justify a response.
It is like talling the game warden: "Honestly, I was on my way back to the car, and this big buck jumped out of the bushes and charged me. It was pure random chance that I had my .30-06 with me on the day before hunting season, or he would have killed me."
JWM, I suspect you are correct. It would not surprise me if TM actually was peeking in windows looking for an unoccupied house. That is the sort of thing kids in my neighborhood do all the time. Even though I suspect they might be out to steal iPads or whatever, I don't confront them armed.
Because, if I did confront them armed, what would I do if they attacked? Shoot them? And end up like GZ? Not a chance.
What I do is turn on the outside lights.
Just because the law says I get to carry a gun does not mean that it is a good idea.
If they go by an empty house, I call the cops. I don't follow them, and I don't care for people who do.
If my kid does something stupid, I really think it would be nice if other people did the same. Call me, or call the cops, or whatever, but don't gun up and follow my kid around.
In all of those cases, the prosecutor could just plausibly allege, without any evidence at all, as she has in the Zimmerman case, that the shooter was lying and actually initiated the confrontation. Unless you're willing to rely on the testimony of the shooter in the absense of evidence contradicting his account, stand your ground is meaningless.
Your scenario involving the shooting that takes place inside the house is somewhat different (of course that would be a castle doctrine case and not what I was asking). Regardless, in that case, you and Corey could simply allege without evidence that the deceased had been invited into the house as part of the shooter's plot to profile and murder him.
You didn't ask how it would look in court, you asked if the shooter would be "more obviously justified."
In each of the caYoses I named, the prosecution would have a much harder time, and the defense a much easier time.
You clearly understand the rules, so you obviously know each of the arguments you made are more applicable to GZ than to the examples I gave.
More to the point, if the shooter remained in his car, as in my first example, the prosecution could not possibly argue that he was lying, because there would be physical evidence.
I can't tell if you are just trolling me, or if you are honestly not aware that you lost this particular argument.
Zimmerman got out of his truck to get an address to give to police, because he didn't know the address of the area that he was. He just told them he'd call them back with an address (non emergency line) when he stepped out and was confronted by Trayvon.
Doug, Clearly, that was one of Zimmerman's stories. Specifically, that is the story he presented in a TV interview on july 19. In actual practice, the judge is not under any obligation to believe everything GZ says.
In fact, since GZ encouraged his girlfriend to lie about how much money was in his defense fund, the judge is likely to review each of his statements carefully.
I personally have a hard time believing that a neighborhood watch volunteer would not be aware what address he is near. I don't patrol my neighborhood at all, and I don't have any trouble guessing the nearest address.
There is also an easy way he could have avoided the problem. When the police ask you to meet them somewhere, and tell you that you don't need to follow the suspect, stop following the suspect.
Think about this! throwing out the baby with the wash water will not save out gun rights, I feel that Zimmerman is being feed to the dogs , why so he gets it and we keep our gun rights ,, Americans are so full of FEAR, and what happens when it's your turn to protect your life… LIKE I SAID AMERICANS ARE SO FULL OF FEAR YOU CAN SEE THE WET MESS IN THEIR PAINTS ,, I tell it like i see it……….
I think to appease the local and national race-baiters, the local judge will find him guilty of something like manslaughter or second degree, and if so I also predict that on appeal, at some level, he will be exonerated as having defended his life against a credible threat of serious bodily harm…doesn't matter that one man had a gun and the other didn't, if one is banging the other's head on a concrete walk and making verbal threats to kill him…that's self defense regardless of which person was black, white, Hispanic or Martian. It also doesn't matter if you failed some classes or whether your IQ is 85 or 135…justice should be blind to color or IQ or what's on your college transcript…Just ask our Affirmative Action President about his grades and IQ if you think otherwise.
The first step of trying him and finding him (even if improperly found, against reasonable doubt) guilty is what the ravening lynch mob will require…whipping up the crowd, baying for blood and putting bounties on the accused being not much different from what the Klan used to do…only the color of the sheets has changed from white to Dashiki print.
It is always funny to hear white people complain that a "lynch mob" is out to get them. Um, no. The lynch mob is not out to get white people, or Christians, or any other majority in the United States.
Um, no. The lynch mob is not out to get white people
Here is a mob of blacks out to get white people
Here is a woman calling for Zimmerman to be lynched
Opps, she is talking about lynching James Holmes. Either way, lynching white people.
RF, bring back the 15 minute edit button.
Matt, what Kalashnikat implied was that a judge and jury would find an innocent man guilty to make the "ravening lynch mob" happy.
In my opinion, the world does not work that way. The power structure in the United States is not cowering in their homes in fear of criticism, or racial violence, or anything else.
Yes, I heard about the race riots in Milwaukee last year. I don't think the criminal justice system was scared to prosecute any of the gangsters just because they were black.
George Zimmerman was on his way to the store when he spotted the fledgling thug.
He WAS NOT on watch.
Pleas check theconservativetreehouse.com archives for the real story.
The only thing this is about is money. Without a trial traythugs' parents wont see any dolla signz! guilty or not
The Conservative Treehouse? Checking them for the real story is like turning off Fox News because it is "too liberal". He may have been on his way home from the store, but once you start following a suspect, you have switched into your "Neighborhood Watch" role. Time to put the gun away.
Here is a story you can get anywhere on the web (except for right-wing lie factories like the conservative treehouse):
After first spotting Martin and dialing a nonemergency police number, Zimmerman parked his truck while he talked with the dispatcher, asking that an officer come to the scene.
So far so good, except, while still on the line, he drove a short distance down the street before parking again.
-Why did he move his truck?
During the re-enactment the day after the shooting, Zimmerman told detectives it was because he had lost sight of the 17-year-old, and the dispatcher asked him to find him.
A review of Zimmerman's recorded call with the dispatcher, though, shows there was no such request. Zimmerman later changed that part of his story. Guess what, though. There are still records of his original statement.
In his call to police before the shooting, Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing as if he had been running or walking fast. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asked. "Yeah," Zimmerman answered.
Ding, Ding, Ding. We have an answer.
As everyone knows, the dispatcher then told Zimmerman, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman later changed his story and said that he just happened to be going the same direction as Martin. Um, No. That is what we call "an obvious lie."
Zimmerman didn't "just happen" to be running… And he didn't get out of his car to check the address. If you believe that, is this the sort of thing that you always do on your way home from the store?
If so, then you are doing it wrong.
If you want a reference for that, it is from http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/06/28/zimmerman-kept-changing-his-story-police
But the thing that bothers me here is that this is the guy the right-wing conservatives have chosen as their poster boy. This is the guy they are going to hang their hats on, and defend with their money and their rage.
Here is my take on it: The whole world is not out to get you. No one cares if you carry a gun or not, as long as you don't go around shooting people.
And if you do end up shooting someone over a simple misunderstanding, then the police are not allowed to just ignore the whole thing for a month. The police need to arrest you, file charges against you, and let the judge and jury decide if you are a danger to society.
As many people have pointed out here, the mob does not decide who gets prosecuted. An angry mob of white people is not any more justified than an angry mob of black people.
And in this case, even less justified. You can't appoint yourself vigilante for a day. I did not appoint the Neighborhood Watch to be my personal Batman and this isn't Dodge City in the 1800's.
Neighborhood Watch has rules to prevent this sort of mistake. You break those rules at your own peril.


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And we don't expect any straight answers.
Florida QB Tim Tebow, the defending Heisman winner, is named first on more ballots than anyone in the nation, yet finishes third. How so?
We can't get a straight answer. Except this one from CBS college football analyst Gary Danielson, who was on with Fox Sports Radio's Andrew Siciliano and Krystal Fernandez last night:
Siciliano: How did 154 people leave Tim Tebow entirely off the Heisman ballot?
Danielson: "Well, because it's a strategy …That's exactly why it's done. That's why I gave up my Heisman vote about four or five years ago. I just thought this thing is a joke and I don't want to be a part of it. And by the way, I resigned from the Davey O'Brien award this year for the same reason. The Davey O'Brien wanted me to vote for the outstanding quarterback in college football and here were my choices: Colt McCoy, great player, Sam Bradford, great player, and Graham Harrell, great player. But how can all three of the great players be from the same league? I mean come on, if you're going to have an award, you got to have Tim Tebow on that award this year don't you? I just said I'm not interested. I really don't even like these things and if the Heisman wasn't out of New York, nobody would care."
Meanwhile, we keep getting info on ordering these "Tebo Disciple" T-shirts… Not sure why his name on the shirt is missing the final "W" … because he didn't win the Heisman again?
Caustic Material in Pembroke Pines, Fla. (954-821-4256) (linked here) has the shirts for $14.99. Bow to the Gator God. Or don't and say did.


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Hi doctors I have been reading about the new smartlift facelift done with lasers. It is supposed to offer all the benefits of a facelift with little downtime. It sounds too good to be true! Is it effective? If so, how long are the effects meant to last? Many thanks
Does the Smartlift Facelift Work?
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Smart lift
Smartlift or Dumblift?
The answers below are, in general correct, however..
The laser used in Smart lifting produces a significant and ongoing tightening of the facial and neck skin for 7 to 9 months after the treatment. It has been shown to tighten up to 30% (when tested in abdominal skin) which is quite impressive. Sometimes this amount of tightening alone is enough to significantly improve the overall facial appearance. However, the tightening from the laser may not be enough for your situation and surgically opening and tightening the skin and underlying structures may also be needed to get the result you are expecting.
A surgeon that performs both the standard facelift and Smartlifting can tell which would be better for your situation.
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Does the Smartlift Facelift Work?
Yes and no. The smart lift is usually a more minimal procedure than a standard face/neck lift. Too many surgeons try to name their facelift so that it sounds exclusive. Many of us do similar procedures when performing a facelift. Don't fall for the advertising hype.
Is a Smarflift Facelift as Effective as a True Facelift?
In short, the answer is no. They are not the same thing. A true facelift releases the sagging soft tissues below the skin and repositions them to a higher more youthful position, as well as tightening and removing lax skin excess. This cannot be achieved with a laser. While the latest cleverly named procedure that promises miraculous benefits with little downtime may sound appealing, they are always long on marketing and short on results. As you noted, it sounds too good to be true.................
There are some laser treatments that can reduce the fat layer under the chin and in the jowl area, and this might be an effective treatment for a younger patient with more elastic skin, but it is not a facelift, and will not give you the same kind of overall results. There is new device called Precision Tx which can do what I described but the benefits are limited. You should consult with a surgeon who has experience with both procedures so they can give you realistic appraisal of what each procedure might achieve.
When it comes to facelift beware shortcuts.
One of the problems solved by a facelift is excess skin in the cheek, jowls, and neck. There is no way to shrink skin –period. Lasers can change the surface of the skin but cannot delete surplus. Furthermore they do nothing to the deeper structures that are repositioned as part of the facelift.
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How effective is the Smartlift?
Lasers are effective at rejuvenating the superficial portion of the skin. Most of the effects of aging in the face are due to sagging of the muscles in the neck and face as well as shrinking of the fat in the face. Surgery remains the most effective and thorough solution for this problem. Laser treatment can be added as a supplemental treatment to a facelift for skin enhancement, but it will not address the muscle and skin laxity.
Smartlift - no so smart
Laser lifts are not very dependable and have minimal and short-term results as they don't address the most important aging layer of the face - the muscle and fascia
Lasers are only part of the solution.
Lasers are certainly part of the solution when it comes to rejuvenating the face. However, the aging process also affects the overall volume of the face and the position of the deeper tissue layers. I explain to my patients that each of these factors needs to be addressed to achieve a comprehensive rejuvenation of the face. Of course each patient needs an individual assessment and plan for their particular needs but in general true rejuvenation often needs form of surgical lift as well. Naturally, the best thing to do as a patient is to see several doctors and get a variety of opinions. Then you should trust your instincts as to which doctor simply makes the most sense for your individual concerns and that you relate best with.
The facelift is an operation of release and resuspension! No shortcuts work.
You are absolutely right to be weary of a laser actually being able to correct sagging jowls, and loose skin. The underlying structures of the face must be addressed in order to obtain a result that is satisfactory. There are no lasers on the market that can substantially resuspend what gravity has caused over time. The facelift is an operation of release of skin, tissue and the deeper structures of the facial musculature. These then must be resuspended in a natural vector to rejuvenate the face. Newer technologies like Ultherapy tighten the skin but do not deliver nearly the same result as a well-executed facelift. I would recommend a consultation with a board-certified surgeon.
Best of luck,
Sachin Parikh, MD
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