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Gardner: Fiscal cliff deal doesn't stop spending issues
January 8, 2013
U.S. Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., said the fiscal cliff deal that he voted against doesn't touch on the spending problem that has put the United States in trillions of dollars in debt.
"It is a disappointment. This country has $16 trillion in debt. The problem we have is spending, but here was a bill that actually gave the government more money to spend with zero deficit or spending reform," Gardner said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon from Washington, D.C. "It increases taxes on small businesses. It doesn't provide a path toward solving the biggest problem our nation faces in terms of our financial crisis."
The House passed the bill 257-167, with Democrats voting 172-16 in favor and Republicans voting 151-85 against. In the Senate, the bill passed by a whopping 89-8 vote with three Democrats — including Colorado's Michael Bennet as one of the three — and five Republicans voting against it.
"I'm not going to criticize other Republicans for doing what they believe is in the best interest of their constituents," Gardner said. "What I'm disappointed in is the president and his inability to recognize that we don't have a tax problem. We have a spending problem. The bill increases spending. It adds to the deficit because it generates new spending, and it gives a government that can't control itself even more money."
The bill neutralizes middle class tax increases and spending cuts that take effect with the new year, and the legislation will raise tax rates on incomes over $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for couples.
"The president and the Democrat majority in the Senate campaigned on raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires," Gardner said. "They now have their taxes. Taxes are going up on millionaires and billionaires. So the bottom line is we must focus on spending and reducing the debt and deficit this nation faces. Overall, this kicks the can down the road. It delays spending cuts, and actually increases the money available to government to spend without any control. I hope, though, that we can spend the next two years passing legislation like a balanced budget amendment, and making sure we have pro-growth tax policies in place to actually grow our economy."
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Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., voted in favor of the fiscal cliff deal. He said in a news release that the one-year extension of the Production Tax Credit for wind energy is a good signal for manufacturers in Colorado to create jobs.
Gardner said he supported the extension of the Production Tax Credit, but with the hope that it would be paid for.
"That was my position to extend it, ramp it down and pay for it," Gardner said. "This one-year extension of the Production Tax Credit is going to cost $12 billion over 10 years."
Bennet said in a news release that the bill does not put in place a real process to reduce the debt down the road, although he supported extending unemployment insurance, the wind Production Tax Credit and tax cuts for most Americans.

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Polio this week as of 27 August 2014
Continued transmission in Kano: wild poliovirus 1 transmission continues in a geographically limited area of southern Kano state, Nigeria, indicating pockets where vaccination campaigns and social mobilization are still too weak to assure sufficient coverage during campaigns. Kano is the only state in Nigeria reporting cases of wild poliovirus since April.
Protecting west Africa: Even as polio programme staff across west Africa support efforts to control the Ebola outbreak affecting the region, preparations are going ahead for large scale multi-country vaccination campaigns in those countries not affected by Ebola, in mid-September.


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Actually there are two PostgreSQL Perl interfaces the DBI based one and Pg. It has been a while since I have used Perl (and it has been even longer since I used the Pg interface), but I can tell you that most people use the DBI version. The two interfaces are very similar, but the Pg interface is PostgreSQL specific. In other words, if you want to migrate to another database in the future then you should use DBI. DBI is also likely to be more familiar to Perl hackers that have worked with another database. Jason "Williams, Travis L, NPONS" <tlw(at)att(dot)com> writes: > Unless I am mistaken (which actually happens quite often) DBI is the > base modue that perl uses.. the extension of that DBI::Pg (which is > called in the script) is postgres specific. That is what I am using and > I am new to postgres but have been working with perl for 3-4 years and I > have found it very easy to use. > > Travis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Devinder K Rajput [mailto:Devinder(dot)Rajput(at)ipaper(dot)com] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:05 PM > To: pgsql-novice(at)postgresql(dot)org; pgsql-admin(at)postgresql(dot)org > Subject: [NOVICE] pg or DBI > > > Hi all, > > I have used pg to connect to postgres. However, I have seen a lot of > people use DBI. Are there any advantages/disadvantages in using one or > the > other for connecting to postgres via perl. Also, which one is more > widely > used? Thanks for your input. > > Devinder Rajput > Stores Division Corporate Offices > Chicago, IL > (773) 442-6474 > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org)
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Ephesians 4:11 and the Five-Fold Ministry…
I have read several books that discuss the "five-fold ministry", taken from Ephesians 4:11. (Two important books that deal with "five-fold ministry" are Wolfgang Simson's Houses that Change the World and Michael Frost and Alan Hirsch's The Shaping of Things to Come.) According to the "five-fold ministry" concept, the list in this verse (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers – sometimes called APEPT) represent five types of Christian leadership. I'm trying to be very broad in my terminology, because different authors use different words to describe the "five-fold ministry". Some call them offices; some call them functions; some call them gifts.
At this point, I do not plan to discuss the purpose of the people listed in Ephesians 4:11 – that will come in a later post. Instead, I would like to focus on the number of "items" listed in the verse. Unfortunately, to make this point, I will have to include the Greek text:
και αυτος εδωκεν τους μεν αποστολους τους δε Ï€Ïοφητας τους δε ευαγγελιστας τους δε ποιμενας και διδασκολους…
A literal translation would be:
And he (himself) gave on the one hand the apostles, on the other hand the prophets, on the other hand the evangelists, on the other hand the pastors and teachers…
There are three reasons to see this as a list of four items instead of five.
First, the μεν … δε (men … de – "on the one hand … on the other hand") conjunction pair works to separate this list into four distinct elements. When using the μεν … δε conjunction, it was perfectly acceptable to the Greeks to have more than two "hands", but they still used the conjunction pair to mark off the items in the list. Today, in English, we use commas and conjunctions to do the same thing. By examining the μεν … δε … δε … δε construction in Ephesians 4:11, it seems that the author was pointing to four items.
Second, the author also uses the definite article τους (tous) to separate the items. Notice that in this verse, there are four uses of the definite article τους. The last two nouns (ποιμενας και διδασκολους – "pastors and teachers") share a definite article. This shows a correlation between these two nouns that the author does not indicate between the other three nouns (αποστολους… Ï€Ïοφητας… ευαγγελιστας – "apostles… prophets… evangelists") since each has its own definite article.
Third, according to Daniel Wallace in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, the combination of the μεν … δε conjunction pair with the definite article implies a mild contrast. [212-213] For this reason, many English versions translate this conjunction pair with the definite article as "some" and "others" (i.e. "some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers). However, this "mild contrast" does not exist between the last two nouns (ποιμενας και διδασκολους – "pastors and teachers"). Instead, they are connected by a different conjunction (και) which is connective or correlative. So, the author is contrasting four distinct groups, with the fourth group containing two connected nouns.
In other words, I would contend that the grammar and syntax of Ephesians 4:11 would create a bulleted list as shown below:
- apostles
- prophets
- evangelists
- pastors and teachers
I am not asserting that a "pastor" and a "teacher" are the same thing. That is a completely different discussion. At this point, I am simply examining the grammar, syntax, and construction of the Greek text. It is my belief that the Spirit worked through the authors to produce the text as He desired. Thus, we can know the intention of the author by reading the text itself. Once we know what the text says, then we can begin to discuss what the text means.
Also, I am not asserting that these giftings no longer exist nor am I asserting that God no longer works through individuals as apostles, prophets, etc. Again, that is a separate discussion.
So, what is my assertion? There are four items listed in Ephesians 4:11. I think it is problematic to base the concept of a "five-fold ministry" on a list that only contains four items.
Ephesians 4:7-16 Series:
1. Ephesians 4:11 and the Five-Fold Ministry
2. Ephesians 4:12 and Equipping Ministry
3. Ephesians 4:7-16 and the Growing Church
4. Ephesians 4:7-16 and Consistency
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Interesting post. I'd like to respond to it with some other textual issues. But before I do that, I want to offer a simple preface. The term "five-fold ministry," or "four-fold ministry" if you accept your own argument, is simply a "label" to functionally identify what you see in Eph. 4:11, et seq., and that's all it is. I just wanted to say that before I go ahead and make my argument that it is five and not four in the next paragraph.
I believe in order to ascertain what Paul meant in what he wrote we have to compare Eph. 4:11 to other analagous passages in the Bible, or to "let the Scripture interpret itself," which I've learned is a basic premise of good hermeneutics. In my view, the most analogous passage to Eph. 4:11 is 1 Cor. 12:28, which states, "And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps…" I won't get into the rest of 1 Cor. 12:28 because its not relevant, and everyone here knows my extensive views on "kubernesis," LOL. 🙂 Anyways, while we do not see "pastor" here, we DO see "teacher" separate from "pastor." I would say, based on this passage, then, that there is a gift of teacher (different from Rom. 12 gift of teaching).
Now, so far as I know, Eph. 4:11 is the only place that we see "pastor" used in the NT. The only occurrence of the word "pastor" that I know of in the OT (and this is the KJV version) is in Jeremiah. The major passage that I would draw your attention to in the KJV is Jer. 3:15, which states, "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding." Here, the word pastor can also be translated as "shepherd," which we know is basically the pastoral function according to NT Scriptures. However, we see that a pastor/shepherd's responsibility is to "feed with knowledge and understanding." This correlates in the NT to the shepherding role of pastors to steward the mysteries of God. For instance, according to Col. 1:25-27 (NAS), "Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your full benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the MYSTERY which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the Gentiles, which Christ in you, the hope of glory." And there are other NT Scriptures that I could cite here to the same effect.
But my point is that looking at the whole of the NT, and the whole of the Bible (i.e. the passages in Jeremiah, esp. 3:15), God seems to make a distinction between the gift of the pastor, which is to shepherd the local church by "steering the ship" (kubernesis), stewarding the mysteries of God, and FEED the saints with knowledge and understanding of God's Word; versus the gift of the teacher (separate from pastor in 1 Cor. 12:28), which is to basically teach the Word of God, etc, in order that the saints would be equipped (Eph. 4:11, et seq.).
So, that is at least the beginning of my argument that Eph. 4:11 actually lists five ministries, the gifts of pastor and teacher being two separate ones.
So, I guess Alan I'd ask to respond to 1 Cor. 12:28 and Jer. 3:15, and how you harmonize those Scriptures with your four-fold view. Thanks.
just a couple of thought that came to mind when I was reading your comments.
1) Yes, we have to use Scripture to understand Scripture, but not to negate Scripture. You cannot ignore the grammatical structure of Eph 4:11 just because 1 Cor 12 lists teaching separately. Consider the following: could it be that pastor is always tied to teacher, but teacher is not always tied to pastor? Thus if the number of "ministries" is counted on the basis of the list in Eph 4:11, then it has to be 4. BTW – I see them as gifts, not "ministries" (see here).
2) This brings me to the next thought. Why limit it to 5, why not use 1 Cor 12 and list 7 gifts instead of 5? Really, for that why not use all the different lists of gifts found in the new testament? If the answer is because Eph 4:12 specifically lists equipping after the list in Eph 4:11, then we have again to see it as 4.
3) Also, please be careful not to equate minister (in the Greek this is he term sometimes translated deacon) with pastors? We are all called to be ministers – see my post here.
I think you've hit the nail on the head here with your analysis of the μὲν…δέ clause in Eph 4:11.
In response to Jonathan—Jer 3:15 seems to support Alan's four-fold ministry. First of all, the word ποιμήν like its Hebrew counterpart in Jer 3:15, רעה (here used as a participle), as far as I know, can always be translated "shepherd." This is what the Latin term "pastor" means. Further, if we look at the LXX, three different words formed from the ποιμήν root are used. So, Jer 3:15 is definitely a good place to look to consider the meaning of "pastor."
Col 1:25ff., however does not seem to fit the bill. Is Paul talking about "pastoring" or "ministering"? I would think that a διάκονος is distinct from a ποιμήν.
What is the difference between "teaching God's word" and "feeding the saints wih knowledge and understanding"?
Here's a question that I've been struggling with, which will ultimately be discussed in my series on Romans 1:1 at Withering Fig—what exactly is the gift of apostleship? What does this look like today?
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First, I appreciate your enthusiasm and your perseverance. Second, I did not suggest a "four-fold ministry". In fact, I did not suggest any type of special ministry in this post. Also, in this post, I was not discussing the meaning of either ποιμενας (shepherds/pastors) or διδασκολους (teachers). Notice the stated purpose of this post: "Instead, I would like to focus on the number of 'items' listed in the verse." Since you did not discount my discussion of the number of items in Eph 4:11, should I assume that you agree that Paul only listed four items, but that you choose to interpret it as five anyway?
Next, you asked me to examine 1 Cor 12:28 and Jer 3:15. In my examination, I found 8 items listed in 1 Cor 12:28 (btw… your favorite "gift" κυβÎÏνησις – kubernesis – is number 7 in this list). But, I did not see a similar use of the μεν … δε (men … de) conjunctions as in Eph 4:11, nor did I see a similar use of the definite article as in Eph 4:11. I'm not sure how this relates to my discussion of the number of items in Eph 4:11.
Similarly, I do not see any lists at all in Jer 3:15.
Good discussion of the gifts. At this time, I'm leaving the interpretation of the various gifts to you and other. I'm going to stick with the original purpose of this post for the time being. I may come back later and discuss interpretation of the various items. Please, though, feel free to continue the discussion.
First, I like your Greek font better than mine. How did you do that?
Second, I think you are hitting on an important issue when comparing "pastoring" and "ministering". I think this is caused by a modern misusage of the term "minister".
Third, you ask a good question: "What is the difference between 'teaching God's word' and 'feeding the saints wih knowledge and understanding'?" Perhaps some of us can begin examining the connection between these phrases.
I will be very interested in the following posts. We in the western church have emphasised the role of pastor to the exclusion of all others. If you have another role/function/gift you must start a para-church ministry because there is no room for you in the church. So, I welcome this discussion.
As far as four vs. five is concerned well, I am agin' it. Four fold ministry just does not role off the tongue like five fold ministry does. It has to do with the fo in four and the fo in fold being the same I think. But all that silliness aside I am not quite persuaded by the nuancing of the greek. If it can be subsequently shown that pastor and teacher are the same thing then that's fine. But I don't see it. They are not used the same in scripture and they are not the same in our experience. So, it may be disappointing for you to hear this from me but I will decide not to decide at this point and wait to see in your next post where do you think Paul was going with any of it and what these different ministry/gift/functions may be.
A few things for you to consider. First, I see Eph. 4:11 as "ministry gifts," they are both ministries AND gifts.
Second, I agree with you that the gifts listed in Eph. 4:11 are for equipping, and none of the other gift lists are (i.e. Rom. 12, 1 Cor. 12, etc.)
Third, I agree with you that there is a huge difference between minister (deacon) and pastor, and that we are ALL called to be ministers. Amen?
So, Mael, we probably only have ONE difference: the number of gifts in Eph. 4:11.
Yes, the word for "pastor" in the Hebrew can also be translated "shepherd," I agree completely there. But I don't see that as supporting Alan's view. I do believe there is a responsibility, as outlined in the Scriptures, of pastors to teach as part of their responsibility to the local congregation. I think that is clear. But, Paul is also clear that there is a non-pastoral gift of the teacher in 1 Cor. 12:28. Its the same Greek word that Paul uses in Eph. 4:11. To me, that means Paul is speaking of the same gift in BOTH places — and that this is an equipping gift, different from the Rom. 12 gift of teaching, which is a motivational gift.
Stephen, as regards to Col. 1:25, Paul specifically ties his ministry to a special stewardship of the mysteries of God, and to preaching the Word of God. Not everyone is called to preach, but I probably can find you at least one or two NT Scriptures that give special place to that. Paul makes special mention about those who make their living by preaching and teaching, and how they are to be supported — he distinguishes this from "the saints" — and I believe that is a crucial distinction, which I will take up later, at some point in this discussion, most likely.
My use of "four-fold" was a tongue-in-cheek device. I apologize for confusing you in that respects. I actually listened to a message recently by an AG pastor, who said it COULD be "four-fold," meaning that the number in Eph. 4:11 of gifts listed could be four, but he still believed it was five. And this is basically my position, as well. I concede that God could have it as four gifts, and could have it as five gifts. I see "teacher" as a distinct gift listed in 1 Cor. 12:28, though, and if Paul is speaking of the same gift in Eph. 4:11 when he uses "teacher" in the Greek, then it would HAVE to be five. Otherwise, the "teacher" gift in 1 Cor. 12:28 does NOT have an equipping function. So, that is why I believe we must harmonize 1 Cor. 12:28 especially with Eph. 4:11. And that's my point. Perhaps Jer. 3:15 was a tangent, but all I am trying to do is defend the concept that "pastor" and "teacher" are separate gifts, as listed in the Scripture, and the whole notion of "pastor-teacher" is incorrect. 🙂
Lastly, and this is for everybody, I do see a difference between "feeding" and "teaching." The latter is imparting information. However, information alone is usually not enough. Paul makes clear in various passages that there is also the PREACHING of the Word of God, which is more the role of the pastor of the local congregation, to steward the mysteries of God, and by which "feed" the saints, which would to me imply giving them revelation and inspiration, and not just information from the Word. So, I do see a connotative difference between "feeding" and "teaching."
If Paul intended to list four items, then we would do well to make sure our understanding aligns with this. I'm not saying that you disagree with this; as a matter of fact, I would be surprised if you disagreed. I am not surprised that you would withhold decision. But, you must know, if Paul lists four, then my description must align with that list… not the other way around. I can't add to lists (or change what the text says) simply because I think something doesn't match with my understanding.
Very interesting position… Maybe I misunderstood what you said. I have tried to clearly demonstrate that Paul described four categories in Eph. 4:11. I gave three reasons for reading it as four categories. No one has demonstrated that my reasons are invalid; in fact, no one has argued against my reasons. When do we allow the text of Scripture to determine what we believe, instead of allowing our beliefs to change what the text says?
You have made some great observations here. You are right, we need to allow scripture to change our theology, not our theology change scripture. I definitely agree that there are four items in this list… but even if there were five, I am not sure it is a five-fold anything. As others have clearly demonstrated there are numerous other lists within scripture.
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Actually I would say that we have more than one.
1) Can you please justify scripturally your stance on Eph 4:11 being a list of ministry gifts? If you would rather, you can interact on my post on Eph 4:11 being gifts here.
2) My second point was not an agreement to the fact that there are only 4 equipping gifts, but more a logical discussion on the impact of other gift lists on the interpretation of Eph 4:11.
3) My ministers comment was in regards to your using Col 1 as a proof text for pastors being stewards of the mysteries of God. It refers to Paul being a minister not a pastor.
I do appreciate the discussion and look forward to seeing where you get your ideas in Scripture.
Let me first make a general, hermeneutical comment. Generally, I am less persuaded by grammatical arguments as to what a Scripture verse means, than other Scripture-based argument that explain a verse. When I was first being discipled, I was taught a basic rule of exegesis: Let Scripture interpret itself (or let Scripture interpret Scripture). So, rather than going to Greek grammar (which you should do to define a Greek word, and for that you should use a good dictionary or lexicon, like Thayer's), the first place you should go in explaining a verse is other places in the Bible that seek to explain what is being said in the verse at hand. Once you do this, then you can harmonize whatever verses you find, etc. This is what I am seeking to do here with the "five or four" question that we are exploring.
All of that being said, my position is that (1) Paul lists five different gifts in Eph. 4:11, (2) Paul lists "pastor" and "teacher" as separate gifts in Eph. 4:11, and (3) The same gift of "teacher" that Paul lists in Eph. 4:11 is also listed in 1 Cor. 12:28. The point with this last one is that 1 Cor. 12:28 is an important cross-reference, I believe, to Eph. 4:11. Yes, "pastor" is not listed in 1 Cor. 12:28, but "teacher" IS separately.
Query: Alan, do you believe that there is a gift of "pastor-teacher," and that there is a gift of "teacher" – ? If your answer is yes, please explain the distinction that you see between the two??? I believe this is a key to harmonizing the two verses, and determining the number of gifts in Eph. 4:11.
Lastly, Alan, I believe what I believe based on what the Bible says, and not the other way around, as you imply with your final question directed towards me. If I'm not mistaken, I look at the verse at hand, and any other verses that explain the original verse (cross-references), and I develop my beliefs based on all of that. Amen?
I take it that your questions are directed towards me, but if not, would you clarify otherwise? I'll go ahead and provide you my response.
(1) You asked: Can you justify with Scripture the position that Eph. 4:11 is a list of ministry gifts. Sure. If you look at Eph. 4:8, it says, "When He (Christ) ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives, and He gave GIFTS to men." In the NAS, verses 9 and 10 are a parenthetical that explains what "He ascended" means. Paul then continues in verse 11, "And He (Christ) gave…" and then Paul lists four or five (depending on how you interpret the number question) gifts. That's all, Mael. The context makes pretty clear that APEPT are all gifts in reference to verse 8. Does that make sense? Does that answer your question?
(2) I think I agree with you that the purpose of the Eph. 4:11 gifts is that they equip the saints for the work of the ministry — which is not the purpose of any of the other gifts listed in the NT. But I do not think this distinction affects the number question, whether Paul lists 4 or 5.
(3) As to Col. 1, Paul DOES consider himself as a steward of the mysteries of God. I don't think I would say that Col. 1:25-27 applies only to pastors. It also applies to apostles, prophets, evangelists, and teachers as well (or pastor-teachers if you wish). I do not think it applies to non-full-time ministers (the saints). The reason why I say this is because of the emphasis on "preaching of the word of God" in verse 25. An important cross-reference for this is Eph. 3:2. Further, a biblical synonym (if you follow additional cross-references in the NAS), for "stewardship" is "administration," which is the same conceptual term as "kubernesis," which can also be translated "governments," and which is found back in 1 Cor. 12:28, as a gift, listed along with "teacher." 1 Tim. 1:4b (NAS) says, "furthering the administration of God which is by faith." Thus, I believe based on these, and other verses I could cite, e.g. Eph. 1:10 and 3:9, which all shed light here, lead me to believe that there is a direct correlation in Paul's mind between stewarding/administering the mysteries of God and the preaching of the Word of God, and both these concepts are ALSO tied into the gift of "kubernesis," as well as the concept of pastor/shepherd as developed in Jer. 3:15. It all ties together as one package deal for me to explain what certain gifts are, i.e. what a pastor does, versus what a teacher does.
Mael, does all of this make sense, or would you like me to clarify anything further? I might have gone off on a tangent, but I hope I thoroughly answered your questions.
Grammar tells us how a language puts words together in order to express complete thoughts. We (you and I) are able to communicate because we know the definition of the words and because we know how to put the words together to form sentences and to express our thoughts.
Understanding Scripture is not just about knowing the definition of Greek words. That is only one part of the process. We must also know how words are put together in the Greek language in order to form sentences. We must know which words are the nouns, verbs, prepositions, conjunctions, articles, etc. Beyond that, we must know which nouns are the subject and which are the objects, etc. We must know which verbs are main verbs, which are participles, which are infinitives. We cannot ignore grammar.
Yes, we must use Scripture to interpret Scripture. But, at this point we are NOT interpreting Scripture. We are trying to determine what Paul wrote. Did he write a list of five things, or four things? This is not a question of interpretation. It is wholly a question of grammar. Once we determine what Scripture says, then we can use other Scripture to interpret what it says.
In the case of Ephesians 4:11, Paul used specific grammatical structures to list four things. As I said in the original post, the conjunctions and articles that Paul uses are similar to a list of four "bullet points" in English. This is not a matter of interpretation; it is a matter of grammar. I would be glad to answer any grammatical questions and listen to any disagreements in grammar. As I've tried to say previously, I am not interpreting this passage yet. We must know what a passage says before we can determine what a passage means. Are you interested in what Ephesians 4:11 says?
We'll probably have to agree to disagree on this larger issue of the place of grammar in one's method of interpreting the text. And, I do think, on a basic level, we ARE interpreting Eph. 4:11, just to figure out what number of gifts Paul lists there. Because, it IS a question of interpretation, depending on how you view the Greek, and other Scriptures that assist in your interpretation.
To be certain, I disagree with most, if not all, of what you said as regards about the place of Greek grammar in interpreting the text. I don't go for that. While I believe that Greek definitions are helpful in understanding the text, I do NOT believe in making arguments based on Greek grammar. I do not believe that is proper exegesis, nor is it a proper way to "rightly divide the word of truth."
So, and we might have to agree to disagree concerning this — I do not believe the number of gifts that Paul lists in Eph. 4 is a matter of grammar, it IS a matter of interpretation.
Lastly, I believe it is MORE important, in trying to figure out what Paul SAID to look at what Paul said in OTHER verses in the NT. I do NOT think a good starting point is Greek grammar. I do NOT think Paul used specific Greek grammatical devices to make HIS arguments, as the Holy Spirit led Him. I believe to base your argument here on Greek grammar is being hyper-technical, and not really seeking to understand what Paul SAYS in the text.
So, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because of our fundamental difference in this area.
I will respond to this comment when I respond to your comment in the thread to the post "Ephesians 4:12 and Equipping Ministries".
I am late getting in on the discussion but have enjoyed reading both this post and the "Equipping Ministries" along with the good comments from all.
You write…
"I think it is problematic to base the concept of a "five-fold ministry" on a list that only contains four items." Whether five or four, what is important to me is that all five/four be functioning in today's Kingdom work. My beef is that seemingly only the pastor/teacher are truly recognized as legitimate by today's church. What happened to the role of apostles, prophets, evangelists? Did they just disappear?
sorry to be so late in posting but I was having a hard time even trying to decide where to begin or if even to put in my 2 cents.
1 – Thayers lexicon gives an english equivalent as do all lexicons. They do not give word definitions, only equivalents in another language. (Perro in Sp. to Dog in Eng.) The exception to this seems the newest BDAG. An equivalent and a definition are two different things.
2 – Semantics is the study of the meaning of a word and its range which is basically defining a word.Philology is doing this with ancient texts.
3 – Grammar and Syntax is the study of the way a language constructs its sentences and the languages' rules.
4 – It is very important to know and use these different things (Gr/Syn/Sem/Lex) correctly to avoid poor hermeneutics.
5 – Jonathan seems to be on a different level in his understanding of these tools, not worse, but different. A more fruitful discussion might be proper hermeneutics/exegesis over the resultant exegesis.
6 – I would propose to exegete any text via text criticism, gramm and synt, word semantics, the compositional approach of the author, and finally the resultant biblical theology of that process.
That looks similar (if not identical) to the method that I use to determine what the text says and how to interpret it in light of other Scriptures.
I am very, very late in getting into this discussion, but I consider this to be a very important subject.
The importance in this lies in the following: There are now many so called "leaders", many who label themselves Apostles and Prophets, "certain men crept in unawares" that are teaching doctrines of men, not of God.
I believe Eph 4:11 is a listing of "gifts given to men", not "gifted men given to the church". Just look at the next verse: Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
How is some man supposed to "perfect" me? The word translated perfecting is based on the Greek word artios which means fully equipped. A ship that has everything it needs for a voyage is said to be artios. Again, I ask how is some man supposed to fully equip me? I submit that these are all gifts given as part and parcel of the gift of Christ in us. And, why do we have to chop verse 12 into 3 parts? Just read it as one sentence: (These gifts are given to saints) for them to be fully equipped to perform the work of the service of edifying the body of Christ. Really, it's so simple! Only Christians can make this hard! These gifts are spiritual enablements within the "Christ in us" that all Christians must have to fulfill what God intended: Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. If we are to be conformed to his image, i.e. look and act just like him, then we must have exactly what he had, which is whatever "Christ" consists of. We can look at Jesus, who embodies all of these gifts for the correct operation of them all.
My contention is that contained within the "Christ in us" is the apostolic, the prophetic, the evangelistic, and the shepherd/teacher SPIRITUAL enablements the same as Jesus had. As we mature – the same as the fruit tree, which is the dominant imagery used of the Christian – Maturity brings Fruit. The gifts, all of them as needed at the time required, blossom in all Christians who do what is necessary to properly mature themselves.
Also, I think it is very important to remember that God is no respecter of persons. To be a respecter of persons is sin(James 2:9) and God is not a sinner. God, therefore, being a just God, the same as giving the rain to the just and the unjust, has given the same gifts in the same amount to all those who receive the "Gift of Christ"(Eph 4:7).
By the way, my proof that shepherding and teaching belong together is here: Mark 6:34 And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things. His response to the lack of a shepherd was to teach. Therefore, in my mind anyway, to shepherd IS to teach.
My arguments here is, by necessity, are somewhat abridged. I can do much better if anyone is truly interested.
Your posts are near impossible to read through Google Chrome. Black background, shade on the greyish text. I have to disable your CSS to even be able to read what you say.
May I recommend that you take a serious look at how your blog looks like in Google Chrome?
It may be a setting in my browser but I doubt it. Aside from my having all images loading disabled I don't see what could be making your blog look so bad.
You hit the nail on the proverbial head Alan. That was exactly the problem. I turned on all images and now I can read your blog! Yippee!
Of course now I will have to figure out why the Greek lettering is not coming across correctly and instead showing up as a bunch of Chinese looking characters. Which is odd in that I routinely quote Greek words in my writing and it shows up just fine for the most part elsewhere. Oh well…not a biggie. I'll settle for being able to read your blog overall!
Thanks for your input Alan.
Thanks for the heads up Alan. I was chasing down what the problem was, thinking it was on my end again. Glad to hear it's not on my end.
By the way I may be able to help you with that, I mean to restore the Greek, if you have the original blog posts around somewhere (in backup form before the corruption occurred). What I mean is that a PHP script could read the original post (from your backups), and then replace the chinese looking characters in that post with the correct Greek lettering one post at time but automatically throughout your posts.
I've done a fair bit of direct MySQL manipulating of data inside the WordPress database if I can be of help to you in that regard Alan.
It's perhaps too late if the original posts were corrupted and you had no backup anywhere with the correct Greek lettering but just in case I thought I would mention that.
It's a shame because this post is all but useless in that I can't follow your train of thought without seeing the correct Greek lettering.
I just thought of something. It appears that the chinese looking characters are unique as in particular to the underlying Greek letter that they replaced. If you can figure out which chinese looking thingy corresponds to which Greek letter it should be an easy matter of using a PHP script to access the posts inside your database and using a table having the chinese next to the correct Greek letter as a reference, replace the chinese thingies with Greek letters again.
Don't know if that is worth the trouble to you but it's another option I think.
For what it's worth.
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If you follow KJ Sawka, drummer for Pendulum and Destroid, on Facebook, then you know how psyched he's been about the return of Pendulum. In the weeks leading up to their Ultra Music Festival performance, he would share photos and thoughts on rehearsal and more. In a recent Q&A he initiated on Facebook because "I need to be engaged more in the comments on fb," fans predictably gravitated toward questions about Pendulum.
Generally, in these situations, it wouldn't be unusual for those questions to receive brief, inconsequential answers or to be ignored entirely. Instead, KJ has given us a lot to ponder over. Two interactions in particular could spill the beans on whether Pendulum is or isn't actually going to be touring this year.
There you have it. KJ Sawka has all but confirmed that Pendulum will tour in 2016. We basically knew it already, all the signs were there, but it's good to know that one of the members isn't afraid to give fans exactly what they want.
So what does this mean in terms of new music? That's something we're only going to have to wait and see.
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This article was first published on Your EDM.
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Hilltown Archives The Altamont Enterprise, October 7, 2010
Will BKW build through the winter?
By Zach Simeone
BERNE The Berne-Knox-Westerlo School District's $12.7-million building project, now three years in the making, is gaining momentum.
The district is currently weighing its options after finding out in August that bids for the project came in $1.4 million under budget. The school board heard last week that two pieces to the project may be built sooner than planned, possibly allowing the project to be completed months ahead of schedule.
The district is considering the following three options:
While the proposal approved in 2007 would bond $2,028,780 over 15 years, the district may now bond less;
The district may reserve the $1.4 million as a "cushion" for unforeseen expenses, and leave the total amount to be spent on the project at $12.7 million; or
The district may designate the $1.4 million for building-upgrade needs that have arisen since the 2007 vote.
"We've just got the project going, and so we're still in that kind of wait-and-see mode," Business Official Kevin Callagy told The Enterprise this week. "We have our building conditions survey that is being done; that report may help to determine what other things the board would consider. But at this point, I believe we're really just going to wait and see, pending that report."
Carl Griffith, the project's architect, and his firm, Griffith Dardanelli Architects, are performing the conditions survey, Callagy said, and the district expects that the report will be finished by mid-January.
Fast track
"We're looking at accelerating the installation of the new playground," said August Freeman at the Sept. 27 school board meeting.
This past May, the school board appointed Freeman, a former longtime Cairo-Durham School Board member, as its clerk of the works for the building project. Freeman gave the board an update on the project last week.
"As long as we don't get real bitter cold, where the frost goes in so deep that we can't deal with it, or we don't get those 60-inch snow storms you guys like to have up here…everybody's on board with building right through," Freeman said. "We're preparing a schedule based on doing both additions and trying to finish this thing maybe five or six months earlier than we thought, rather than go through two full years."
District voters originally approved the project on Dec. 18, 2007. This included adding a new cafeteria, kitchen, technology lab, and computer classroom. There will be new locker rooms, and the gym will be extended to make up for space lost in other parts of the reconstruction.
The reconstruction was needed because the campus does not comply with the federal Americans With Disabilities Act. But, given the current economic climate, some taxpayers had come to meetings and demanded that the board find cheaper ways to make the buildings accessible to those with handicaps.
Construction on the new boys' locker room is set to begin soon, according to the district website. Reconstruction of the middle-high school gymnasium is tentatively scheduled to start in March, with heating and electrical work, restroom upgrades, and rebuilding of the main lobby, scheduled for next summer.
But, while work on the new cafeteria was set to start in April, the school board heard last week that things might be happening sooner than planned.
"Right now, contractors are pushing me and I'm not resisting even a little bit to possibly start the cafeteria addition this year," also depending on the weather, Freeman said. Freeman reported to the board on other findings as well.
"We found that the original building where the locker rooms are now has no footing," he told the board. "It never has; it's just built on a rock."
Board member Sean O'Connor interjected.
"Well, hold it that's footing to some of the folks up here," O'Connor joked.
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Freeman went on to say that workers discovered an active sewer line made out of asbestos, which is slated to be removed. Either way, he sees no reason the cafeteria and playground could not be finished early, based on his conversations with the contractors, he said.
"The sooner we get done, the less interruption, the less disruption, the sooner you get back to life as you know it," Freeman concluded.
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Back for another year, let's show everyone what life with diabetes looks like! With a nod to the Diabetes 365 project, let's grab our cameras again and share some more d-related pictures. Post as many or as few as you'd like. Feel free to blog your thoughts on or explanations of your pictures, or leave out the written words and let the pictures speak for themselves."
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Students attend sports medicine meeting
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Thursday, March 7, 2013
STEPHENVILLE, Texas—Twelve students in the kinesiology and the sports medicine program represented Tarleton at the Texas American College of Sports Medicine (TACSM) Regional Meeting in Austin Feb. 28_March 2.Four scientific posters were presented, and three students competed in the TACSM exercise science student bowl. The students' abstracts are published in the International Journal of Exercise Science: Conference Abstract Submissions.
Two scientific posters were presented in the master's student division by Jamie Cvikel and Annie Nalepa, one in the undergraduate category by Ryan Eaton, and one in the post-professional category by Will Kaing.
Students competing in the exercise science student bowl included Cvikel, Jacob Harp and Megan Schreiber. They were among 21 teams from 16 universities in the state of Texas who were competing for travel money to attend the national ACSM meeting in June.
Jennifer Blevins-McNaughton, an associate professor in the Department of Kinesiology, was elected to serve as a non-medicine board member for the TACSM Chapter from 2013 to 2015.
Other students attending the meeting included Chelsea Bartz, Melanie Bush, Whitney Garland, Chris Hearell, Cyler Matlock, Courteney Morris and Brittney Seymour.
Funds for student travel came from travel grants from the Office of Student Research and Creative Activities and the Clinical Exercise Research Facility in the Department of Kinesiology.
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MASON, Margaret Agnes - 98, Stellarton, Pictou County, died March 11, 1994, at home. Born in Sutherlands River, Pictou County, she was a daughter of the late Angus and Barbara (Bowran) Rankin. She was a member of First Presbyterian Church, Stellarton; a charter member of the Halifax group of the Business and Professional Ladies Club and a life member of the Order of the Eastern Star, Westville. She was a legal secretary with the Hon. D.C. Sinclair, K.C., from 1933-50; private secretary to the attorney general for the province of Nova Scotia from 1950-60 and was later private secretary to the judges of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia. She is survived by a nephew, John B. Baker, Q.C., Stellarton. She was predeceased by her husband, Charles; four half-brothers, Charles Tye, George Tye, John Baker, Samuel Baker; half-sister, Hisman Baker. Cremation has taken place. A memorial service will be 2 p.m. Wednesday, March 23 in First Presbyterian Church, Rev. Charles MacPherson officiating. Burial will be in Murray Point Cemetery. Arrangements are under the direction of Eagles Funeral Home, Westville.


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OEIRAS, Portugal - Cara Black and Sania Mirza's wait for their first title of the season came to an end on Saturday when they defeated Eva Hrdinova and Valeria Solovyeva in the final of the Portugal Open.
After a silverware-laden start to their partnership, Black and Mirza have found success harder to come by in their second season, suffering a number of near-misses, most recently in Stuttgart, where they lost out to Sara Errani and Roberta Vinci in the final.
So when they fell a break behind midway the opening set against the unseeded Hrdinova and Solovyeva, they could have been forgiven for fearing the worst. However, they were not behind for long, breaking back immediately before taking the set and with it control of the match.
With victory now in sight, the top seeds continued to press and were rewarded with a break in the penultimate game to wrap up a 6-4, 6-3 win.
"We're really happy. We got to the final in Stuttgart last week and now a win here so it's a good start on the clay for us," Black said.
Success in Oeiras also keeps Black and Mirza on course for the WTA Championships, pushing them up to No.3 on the Road To Singapore.
"I think if you perform consistently, that kind of takes care of itself," Mirza said. "Of course the goal is to try and get there, eventually, but at the moment we're just trying to keep improving and to play our best."


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Data Registry of Intensive Care Unit (ICU) Siamitra and Intensive Care Unit (ICU) Salad-Samung
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THE PROPERTY New March Cottage is a detached family home quietly situated in a lane position approximately one mile from Cricklade Town Centre within easy reach of local facilities and amenities and well placed for access to Cirencester, Swindon and the motorway junctions of the M4 & M5.
Fully modernised and refurbished the property has been remodelled to provide a comfortable and well balanced family home and this has accommodation that provides an entrance hall and main reception hall, the kitchen is a particular feature being a large and spacious room with under floor heating built in appliances, Granite work surfaces and large central island opening onto an open plan dining room area with French doors to the rear garden.
There is a cloakroom, a recreation/hobbies room, the large sitting room has a fireplace and wood burner and there is a well proportioned study.
At first floor level the master bedroom is en-suite, there are three further bedrooms and the former family bathroom has been remodelled to create a large family shower room.
The garden is large and private. There is extensive driveway parking to the side and a detached double garage.
In addition the property has an oil fired central heating system and UPVC double glazed windows.
ENTRANCE HALL UPVC part glazed front door, radiator, laminate wood style flooring.
CLOAKROOM Laminate wood style flooring, suite comprising wc, wash hand basin, extractor fan.
RECEPTION HALL 14' 6" x 11' 2" (4.42m x 3.4m) Double glazed window to front elevation, staircase to first floor accommodation, laminate wood style flooring and radiator.
SITTING ROOM 23' 0" x 15' 8" (7.01m x 4.78m) Triple aspect with double glazed windows to side and large window to rear, two radiators, feature ceiling beams, brick fireplace and log burner.
RECREATION/HOBBIES ROOM 14' 11" x 10' 0" (4.55m x 3.05m) Double glazed window to rear elevation, radiator.
STUDY 15' 7" x 7' 8" (4.75m x 2.34m) Double glazed window to front elevation, radiator, feature ceiling beam.
KITCHEN/DINING ROOM 22' 5" x 17' 7" (6.83m x 5.36m)Max Dual aspect with two double glazed windows to front elevation, double glazed French doors to garden and feature side window, extensive range of fitted units, Granite surfaces with drawers and cupboards under, under floor heating, double Belfast sink, space for range cooker, extractor fan over, integrated dishwasher, space for fridge/freezer, large central breakfast island with drawers and cupboards under and Granite work surface over.
OPEN PLAN DINING ROOM AREA Space for large table and French doors to the rear garden.
STAIRCASE AND LANDING Airing cupboard, radiator, tall double glazed window to front elevation, two double glazed windows to rear.
BEDROOM ONE 15' 9" x 12' 11" (4.8m x 3.94m)extending in part to 19'4'' max Double glazed window to rear elevation, two radiators, two built in wardrobes and dressing table unit.
EN-SUITE BATHROOM Obscure double glazed window to side elevation, suite comprising wash hand basin, panelled bath, mixer tap and shower hand set, part tiled walls, light/shaver point, chrome heated towel rail.
BEDROOM TWO 15' 7" x 11' 3" (4.75m x 3.43m) Double glazed window to front elevation, radiator, two built in double wardrobes.
BEDROOM THREE 11' 11" x 11' 1" (3.63m x 3.38m) Double glazed window to front elevation, radiator, two built in double wardrobes.
BEDROOM FOUR 9' 7" x 7' 9" (2.92m x 2.36m) Double glazed window to front elevation, radiator, built in double wardrobe.
FAMILY SHOWER ROOM (FORMER BATHROOM) Double glazed window to rear elevation, contemporary white suite comprising wc, wash hand basin in vanity unit, wc, large tiled shower cubicle, tiled floor, loft hatch.
OUTSIDE To the front is an extensive driveway with parking for perhaps five to six vehicles, flower and shrub borders, security electric remote entrance gate to the rear garden, which is now the main entrance.
Double detached garage with two up and over doors, pitched roof storage, light and power and side door to garden.
The rear garden is large and private, has a large patio area and lawn, flower and shrub borders, large raised timber decking and seating areas.
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Shelley Browning, recovering from a disastrous marriage, is determined to get the college degree she abandoned to wed a young doctor. She's back at Oklahoma University at age 26, a little older and a lot wiser. But Shelley can't explain why she takes a class in government taught by Grant Chapman - except that she feels compelled to see him again.
Ten years ago, Grant was the best-looking teacher in her high school. He left after a few months to take a glamorous job as a congressional aide, but not before "the kiss". Unplanned, stunningly hot, and never repeated, a single kiss with Grant haunted Shelley as a symbol of "what might have been" with the right man.
Now famous and as charismatic as ever, Grant has abandoned the rat race on Capitol Hill for a university career. Pleased to find Shelley in his classroom, delighted by her honesty and, believing there is no impropriety in dating her, he asks her out.
Isn't that what Shelley has secretly hoped would happen? Never had she felt more confused about what she really wants. As their relationship grows, guilt mingles with desires she cant deny. Her heart longs to trust Grant; her head thinks intimacy is too risky - for both of them. And when a stunning accusation emerges and pressures mount from unexpected sources, Shelley is faced with making a leap of faith to believe in love...or with walking away from the man of her dreams.
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The only romance novel I've ever been embarassed about reading. I kept waiting for it to get better and develop into something worthwhile, but my wait was in vain. Spineless and annoying female lead, and minimal plot. Towards the end it seemed as though the author dedicated more effort to describing the intimate scenes than to the transparent and minimal storyline. I gave the story two stars only because the narrator was good.
"A Kiss Remembered"
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Quarterback dad Tom Brady insists that his family life has no impact on his performance on the field.
In response to critics' claims that he seems "distracted" this year, the New England Patriots star says, "That's not something I've thought much about … That my performance as a football player is going to go down because I got married or I had children."
Tom, 32, and his new bride Gisele Bündchen welcomed their son Benjamin last month. He's also dad to 2-year-old son Jack from a previous relationship.
"It's funny for me – there's not a lot of things going on in my life other than my career and my family. I think my life is very focused," he says, adding, "I prioritized with the things that are important to me. That's my family and my football career. There's nothing other than that."


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Box Office: 'Pain and Gain' Punches $7.5 Million in Friday Grosses
Michael Bay actioner 'Pain and Gain' bows to $7.5 million on Friday while 'Iron Man 3' continues boffo rollout overseas.
Michael Bay actioner 'Pain and Gain' bows to $7.5 million on Friday while 'Iron Man 3' continues boffo rollout overseas.
A critical digest of the week's latest U.S. theatrical releases. Where applicable, links to longer reviews have been provided. Pain & Gain Distributor: Paramount The large-scale destructiveness he…
The large-scale destructiveness he has previously wreaked upon public and private property (including entire cities), Michael Bay visits on the human body in "Pain & Gain," a pulverizing steroidal…
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Justices ask Obama admin to weigh in on riverbed dispute
The Supreme Court asked for the Obama administration's views today on whether the Montana Supreme Court correctly ruled that a power company must pay rent for the use of riverbeds where its hydroelectric dams are located.
The decision to ask for the federal government to weigh in on the case indicates the court has a keen interest in the issues and is more likely than not to eventually decide to hear it.
In its decision, the Montana court held over the objections of power company PPL Montana LLC that the state owned the riverbeds. The power company could be forced to pay millions in retroactive compensation if the ruling is upheld.
Legal groups supportive of the company's position say the ruling could also lead to other states taking similar action if the Supreme Court allows it to stand.
The case will now be on hold until acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal, the administration's chief advocate before the Supreme Court, files a brief outlining the government's position.
"We welcome the opportunity to talk to the solicitor general's office about this case," said Paul Clement, a partner at the King & Spalding law firm who represents the power company. Clement served as solicitor general during the George W. Bush administration.
Prior to the Montana ruling, the riverbeds were assumed to be owned either by private landowners or the federal government. The state asserted its ownership claim as recently as 2004, and then only after private citizens had initially filed suit a year earlier claiming that PPL Montana owed the state millions of dollars in rent.
The company argues that not only does the state not own the riverbeds but also that its claim is pre-empted by federal law regulating the licensing of hydropower projects.
The initial lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Montana, was dismissed, but the litigation continued in state court.
In its March 30 decision, the Montana Supreme Court held that the state owned the riverbeds based on an 1845 Supreme Court case that said states hold title to riverbeds if the river was navigable at the time the state was admitted to the Union. The state argued that the rivers were navigable when Montana was admitted in 1889, a conclusion the power company disagrees with.
PPL Montana also argues that it should prevail under the Federal Power Act, based on the fact that the dams were approved by the federal government, which has "exclusive jurisdiction" over hydropower licenses.
The implications of the case beyond Montana were raised in a friend-of-the-court brief filed in support of PPL Montana by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank.
Attorney Mark "Thor" Hearne, characterized the lower court ruling as a fundamental attack on the Fifth Amendment, which guarantees "just compensation" when the government seeks ownership of property.
The Montana court decision was a "threat to settled property rights" and could lead to other states adopting a similar approach, he wrote. "The emergence of the states as a threat to redefine property rights in this manner is a clear and present danger to rights protected by the Fifth Amendment," he added.
If the Supreme Court does not intervene, "the State of Montana -- and other states -- will be able to appropriate title to any submerged lands and riverbeds they desire," Hearne wrote.
In response, Anthony Johnstone, an attorney for Montana, argued in the state's brief that the case focuses primarily on state law issues that the Supreme Court does not need to interfere with.
"PPL does not, and did not ever, have title to the riverbed lands at issue," Johnstone wrote.
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Welcome to the Department of Music!
UNCW music students study with a dedicated faculty of internationally recognized artists and teachers, while enjoying small class sizes and extensive performance opportunities. Individual attention is the hallmark of the Department of Music at UNCW, as students and faculty work closely together to cultivate the fundamental concepts for lifelong learning, as well as developing the highest level of musicianship, creativity and scholarship related to teaching, performance, research, music technology and industry, and appreciation of music. In addition, the department is committed to enriching the quality of life within and beyond southeastern North Carolina by serving as a cultural and educational resource within the rich arts community in the region.
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Hey guys, just checking in to let you know we're still alive. We have a few loose ends to tie up before we resume normal business here but in the meantime you may now reach us at our new location by calling our new phone number @ (801) 685-7900.
And because every post needs a picture here's one of the Starlet getting put to work transporting 2″x4″s for the new shop right after I got it running with the 4AG before I even had a chance to put a passenger seat in it. At least it runs now but more on that later. We don't need no stinkin' shop truck!
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Thomas Meakins
b.abt 1589 England
d.bet 1641 and 1651 Braintree, Norfolk, Massachusetts, United States
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"Thomas Mekins and Katherine his wife servants to our brother Edmund Quinsey" were admitted to the Boston church 2 February 1633/4 [2] They thus probably arrived with him on the Griffin in 1633.
Thomas was granted land in Boston in November 1635 along with his son Thomas. At a Boston town meeting on 21 March 1635/6, it is noted: "these former granted allotments were not built upon according to a former order made the 30th of the 9th month last [i.e., 30 November 1635], and therefore that they are free to be otherwise disposed of" with list of twenty-five names, including "Thomas Meakins the elder, and Thomas Meakins the younger"[3]
Thomas was admitted as a freeman on 9 Mar 1636/7. [4] On 6 June 1641 "Our brother Thomas Mekins the elder and our sister Katherine his wife were granted to be recommended to the church at Braintree." [5]


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There are several assumptions why Kirov (former Vyatka) has become a center of art brushes production in Russia. It is known for certain that 200 years ago manufacturing of colorful clay toys (Dymkovo toys) was prospering in Vyatka region. For toy painting sticks braided with rags were used – that is how old brushes looked like.
On the 17th of November in the year of 1988 in Kirov, Russia, there appeared the first cooperative enterprise, specializing in art brushes manufacturing. The trade mark of this enterprise is now Roubloff.
For more than 20 years we have been improving our production technology. We took the best from German, Japan, Italian and Chinese brushes producers, at the same time we managed to keep Kirov technique of natural hair treatment. Nowadays we can be proud of our production.


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Public Health Budget Calls for $4 Million in Tobacco Dollars for Prevention
June 5, 2013 — The Joint Ways & Means Subcommittee on Human Services voted Tuesday to approve a preliminary budget for the Oregon Health Authority's Public Health Division, putting up $4 million from the tobacco master settlement agreement for prevention.
If the figure goes forward as the Legislature enacts the budget, this would be the first time Oregon dedicated tobacco settlement dollars directly to tobacco prevention programs, but the $4 million figure is a steep drop from the $12 million asked for earlier this session by Rep. Carolyn Tomei, D-Milwaukie, and public health advocates such as Tobacco-Free Oregon.
"This is a great first start," said Stephanie Tama-Sweet, the lobbyist for the American Heart Association. "We've still got a few weeks. We're hoping for additional funding."
Sen. Alan Bates, D-Medford, told The Lund Report that he was surprised at the $4 million number and would have liked to see more money go toward tobacco prevention, but the amount was set by the budget committee co-chairmen: Sen. Richard Devlin, D-Tualatin and Rep. Peter Buckley, D-Ashland.
"That was not my decision," Bates said. "This is not the final bill yet."
Devlin told The Lund Report that it was unlikely any additional funds would be added from the tobacco settlement fund.
"The co-chairs of Ways & Means wanted to get some resources into tobacco cessation," Devlin said. "They also wanted to put some dollars in physical education."
Schools will get $4 million from the tobacco fund to offer pupils more gym and recreation classes, helping them comply with state mandates.
Devlin noted that Gov. John Kitzhaber's budget didn't direct any money from the tobacco settlement to smoking prevention, instead earmarking the entire $120 million to the Oregon Health Plan. The budget chairmen have replaced the $8 million they removed in tobacco dollars from the state Medicaid program budget with money from the general fund.
Dr. Mel Kohn, the outgoing state public health director, told The Lund Report that the $4 million will go on top of $8.25 million already in the tobacco fund for the next biennium.
"This is a big deal in part because we've never had any money for this from the tobacco settlement agreement," he said.
But public health advocates wanted a bigger commitment and held out hope that the tobacco prevention and education program could receive a boost.
"We're hoping if there's some grand deal, it'll be increased in the end," said Brett Hamilton, the executive director of Tobacco-Free Oregon.
Kohn said the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that Oregon put $40 million into tobacco prevention, but Hamilton said anti-smoking advocates thought they'd "be laughed out of the Capitol" if they asked for that much money.
Instead, they asked for 10 percent of the $120 million that Oregon anticipates receiving in tobacco dollars over the next two years.
Kohn said although some of the tobacco master settlement agreement has gone to pay state bonds unrelated to health, "the lion's share" of the tobacco dollars have supported the Oregon Health Plan, the state's Medicaid program for children and low-income residents.
The new coordinated care organizations, charged with delivering healthcare for those residents, have a financial incentive to invest in improving health outcomes through programs such as tobacco prevention, since they have to pay all their healthcare costs using a global budget.
Although 30 percent of Oregon Health Plan members report that they smoke, roughly twice the state average, Kohn said that ratio was typical of national figures, which show a disproportionate number of low-income people smoking.
Already, Trillium Community Health Plan in the Eugene area has partnered with the Lane County Health Department to fund a county-level tobacco cessation program, and Hamilton said the Coos Bay CCO had also shown interest in this approach.
About a decade ago, the state Tobacco Prevention and Education Program lost all its funding for a biennium, and Kohn said the Public Health Division saw evidence that smoking rates began to rise after years of decline.
At about the same time, Oregon reduced its cigarette tax by 10¢, the only state to actually lower its tax in years.
Separate bills this session have aimed at raising tobacco taxes, either locally or statewide. Rep. Mitch Greenlick, D-Portland, supported House Bill 2575, which would raise the tobacco tax $1, but that bill never had a vote or second hearing in the House Revenue Committee. A separate measure, HB 2870, allowing counties to raise their own taxes has passed the House but is still sitting in the Senate Finance Committee awaiting a work session.
Multnomah County Commissioner Jeff Cogen has said that if HB 2870 passes, Oregon's largest county would seek a 50¢ tax to pay for public health.
"The price of tobacco is a very powerful tool to reduce smoking," Kohn said, especially among low-budget young people.
The Oregonian has reported that legislative budget discussions have considered raising cigarette taxes 10¢ to help fund mental health — but Hamilton said such a tiny tax increase would be insignificant in reducing smoking rates.
Image for this story by Sudipto Sarkar (CC BY-NC-ND 2.0) via Flickr.
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HTC has finally announced a launch date for its much-awaited smartphone – HTC 10. The smartphone will be officially unveiled on Tuesday, April 12, and the big announcement comes from the company's official twitter handle.
According to the announcement, it seems that HTC will be streaming the event live on its official site. The company is yet to send out media invites for the launch event. There are a few weeks left for the launch, we can expect HTC's teaser campaign for the phone to continue until April 12.
As for rumored specs, the smartphone will include a 5.1-inch QHD AMOLED touchscreen, Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820, Adreno 530 GPU, 4GB RAM, 32GB of expandable storage, a 12MP main camera and a USB Type-C port.


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Sweden became the first team to come back to draw from four down against Germany in an extraordinary FIFA World Cup Group C qualifier in Berlin.
For an hour it was a German gala, with Joachim Löw's men leading through two early goals by Miroslav Klose and one each from Per Mertesacker and Mesut Özil. It could have been more, but with 28 minutes left Zlatan Ibrahimović pulled one back and Mikael Lustig, Johan Elmander and – in added time – Rasmus Elm somehow kept Sweden's unbeaten start intact.
Germany, with captain Philipp Lahm back from suspension, began brightly and Thomas Müller hit the post right away, before Marco Reus entered the area and pulled the ball back for Klose to power in. Seven minutes later, Müller and Reus helped Klose to his second of the night and his 67th in total – one shy of the legendary Gerd Müller.
While Löw stated beforehand that Sweden played short passes compared with the long ones employed by the Republic of Ireland – whom Germany had put six past on Friday – intense pressing forced the visitors to punt the ball wide and far like their Dublin hosts had, and they were punished in the same way. Before the interval Müller headed the ball to Mertesacker, who volleyed home from short distance to register only his second international goal.
When Mesut Özil made it 4-0 – Müller once more the provider – it seemed the game was over; in fact it was just starting. Ibrahimović, anonymous until then, slipped away from Holger Badstuber to connect with a long Kim Källström cross and nod over Manuel Neuer. Things got more interesting within two minutes as Källström centred from a similar position and, at the far post, Lustig surprised Neuer.
Lustig almost scored the third Swedish goal after a corner, and Elmander then did make it 4-3 with a low finish after fine work by Alexander Kacaniklic. With 14 minutes left to play, the unthinkable now appeared possible and the crowd in Berlin started to worry.
Tobias Sana, handed his Sweden senior debut minutes before, had already wasted a big chance to level when Neuer fumbled and the substitute missed an empty target from 20 metres. However, Elm duly completed the sensation with fittingly the last move of the match.
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NEW DELHI: After getting positive reviews from critics and audiences, Vidya Balan's Kahaani has now become a huge hit among online gamers. It got 50,000 hits within the first 10 days of its launch.
"The Great Indian Parking Wars" requires gamers to park Vidya's taxi on a friend's street to help her in the journey to find her missing husband. Gamers can play the game at ibibo.com and can get in touch with Vidya through her gaming profile on the website.
"It's amazing to see the kind of popularity Ibibo has developed about the film on social media," said the actress about the association with ibibo.com.
Gamers, who help Vidya by parking her yellow taxi inside the game, also get a chance to meet her as well as an opportunity to win movie merchandise and tickets.


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My Half in St. Louis is this Sunday and I am so excited, I just want to scream and bounce off the walls. Other than the minor setback due to severely wrong shoes, I really feel confident about my training and I feel beyond ready for this race, the only thing that could change that is weather, some sort of illness or some crazy accident (knock on wood!).
I keep watching the youtube video of the course just to get myself worked up, imagining that I am already on it running it. Hell, I think about it and I want to squeal like a girl at a rock show
Damaris says I have the Taper Madness and I might have to agree with her, it's going to get worse on Friday when we leave for St. Louis. I think DH and my mom will want to strap me to the top of the van after an hour of hearing me.
*Do It For Yourself, Do It Because They Said It Was Impossible, Do It Because They Said You Were Incapable*
5k - 24:15 (7:49 min/mile pace)
10k - 51:47 (8:16 min/mile pace)
15k -1:18:09 (8:24 min/mile pace)
13.1 - 1:53:12 (8:39 min/mile pace)
26.2 - (Debut) - 4:48:10
Good luck, FreeSoul87!
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Boot it in the ass.
I plan on it!
I plan on it!
good luck kid
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail."
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."
Good luck!
Run strong.
What a great city and best of luck! You will enjoy the Zoo, we have been there many times with and without the kids.
First Race
Hot Chocolate 5K Chicago November 4, 2012 30:17
Second Race
Penguin in the Park 5K Decatur Illinois March 23,2013 27:08
I'm excited for you! Good luck, FS!
PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013
Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013
18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010
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The Taper Madness is beginning to take hold, Andrea!!!
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Good luck Free Soul!
PRs: 5K 22:59, 10K 46:54,HM: 1:51:15
I've been to that zoo.... I think 3 times and I love it. I am so excited to be taking my little guy to it, he's been to our zoo but that was when he was 6 months old, we took him to the Tennessee Chattanooga Aquarium when he was 4 months old ( he LOVES fish) so now that he is almost a year old I know he is going to love the zoo. Someday I want to take him to Seaworld, and other aquariums.
Yes, I feel the madness strong and it's driving me nuts. One thing is I am trying hard not to overthink eating, just do what I normally do but I wonder if I should as of today cut half of my protein and fiber or just stick to what my body is used to. I'm used to running my long runs on empty or a chocolate chip clif bar, which is what I will most likely have 2 hours before the race and then water or gatorade along the course after 6 miles. Other than the food part, I am not worried about it at all anymore.
I miss the jumping, dancing banana damn it! I feel like a Thoroughbred kicking at the gate just before the start, I feel that my body is ready to run strong and fast and my heart is more than ready to enjoy it. Oh I am so excited!!!
Barking Mad To Run
Watched the video...the whole course in 6:55, that would be some record!
What, you don't get to run UNDER the arch?
Good luck, and have fun!
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Theodore Roosevelt
Lol no, but DH wants to go to the Arch Saturday. I am not too big on man made high objects, so I don't know how well I am going to do in that. Heights aren't my strong point, but I would rather be on a mountain than in a skyscraper or tall thing like the Arch.


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