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Twitch Build Guide
Quagli's Definitive Twitch Guidewritten by Quagli
Twitch Build
Table of Contents
|When to play Twitch
|Runes and Masteries
|Item Build
|Skilling Order
|Summoner Abilities
|Rules of Engagement
|Where to place Wards
|The Combo
|Early - Mid Game
|Late Game
|How to Beat Twitch
Deadly Venom Does magic damage over time.
Stacks counters for your other skills to a max of 6 on any single target.
Its easy to keep track of counters because it puts a spinning yellowish thing around the target for each charge.
Ambush Makes you invisible.
Gives you a HUGE attack speed bonus.
The speed boosts duration increases depending on how long you stay invisible.
After doing some extensive testing, it seems that you get 2 seconds + 1 second of attack speed bonus for every second you stay invisible. So at 8 seconds of staying invisible, you have the full 10 second duration.
Try counting seconds if you are freshly invisible and about to attack.
Some guides are out of date and say you must attack from stealth to get the speed bonus from Ambush, not true. Casting a spell, or letting the timer run out will also yield you the bonus.
Twitch cackles when he pops out of stealth, totally cool! But can give you away if it wears off and you are in a bush near the enemy. Keep track of the time you spend invisible, don't let it run out when you are near the enemy. If you see you have less than 20 seconds left, think about moving away, hiding in some brush and reapplying Ambush.
Using ambush while attacking will cause you to stop auto-attacking when stealth kicks in. You will keep auto attacking during fade time.
You should always stay stealthed whenever possible after level 6.
Updated 11/1: Attack speed boost reduced to 70% at max from 100%.
[spell=Debilitating Poison] SLOWS all enemy champions in the area. It even slows enemy champions with no poison counters.
Slows enemies with poison counters 6% more per counter, for a max slow of 66%.
Has a range of around 700.
Does not slow creeps or neutral monsters.
[spell=Expunge] Deals Magic damage to targets with poison counters.
Deals additional damage for each poison counter on the target.
Has a range of around 900.
Using this ability will remove all counters on enemies in the area.
At max level, achieved at character level 9 at its earliest, you deal 510 dmg to someone with the full 6 counters. After basic resist, you are looking at around 350ish damage depending on the character, assuming they have no additional magic resist.
Save this ability until enemy champions are fleeing, you are about to die, or someone is at that 350 life threshold for an insta-kill.
[spell=Spray and Pray] Your shots become "Line Missiles".
Gives you another attack speed boost, because 70% increase from Ambush clearly wasn't enough.
"Line Missles" pierce through targets and gain a range of 900ish.
Line up the competition to hit multiple champions! This is how you out-damage everyone else.
Your shots being "Line Missiles" means that you will fire them at the position of the opponent you are targeting. If they are running toward or away from you, you will hit, but if the target is running past you or diagonally, they can dodge your shots. Pop [spell=Debilitating Poison] when they start to run in any direction but toward or away from you, this will ensure more hits.
Updated: Spray and Pray's "Line Missles" do not hit inhibitors or the Nexus. You can target them but will not hit them for damage. You can still target them and hit enemies in front or behind them as usual.
Updated 11/16: Spray and Pray's attack speed boost was reduced to 30/45/60%, from 40/60/80%.
NOTE: I have noticed with the Gangster Twitch skin that my Tommygun's "Line Missle" bullets will miss targets near max range when the shot clearly has connected with them. I can't recreate the problem with the Crossbow's "Line Missle" bolts of the default Twitch skin. Don't let that stop you from looking awesome though!
This guide is for you! The man and/or extremely sexy woman who wants to dominate as Twitch! He may seem easy to play, but that illusion will quickly fade when you encounter a good team.
I wrote this guide because I'm sick of hearing people say they are good as Twitch, only to watch them trade kills, run around solo, and leave their team high and dry by dying before big battles.
I've carried many teams to victory by knowing when and how to play Twitch. Don't be fooled by imitators, you'll know a good Twitch when you see one. Read on and learn how!
With the recent attack speed nerfs Twitch is harder to play. You will have a harder time living through battles, and you have less room for mistakes. Don't let this discourage you though! These changes just open up the options for more attack speed items and less damage or survivability ones. He's still the rat with the splat.
If you find an error or feel this guide lacking something, let me know. I would love constructive feedback.
Give me a +1 if you find this guide useful!
11/2 - Twitch caught a 30% attack speed nerf on Ambush. So its a 70% increase instead of 100%. A setback, but not a gamebreaking one. I actually didn't even notice it and went 16/3 earlier. Updated build options accordingly.
11/7 - Updated Spray and Pray - It does not damage inhibitors or the nexus. You can target them but will not hit them for damage, your missles will still damage enemies in front and behind building targets as normal.
11/11 - Changed some of the layouts of skills and items to make them easier to read.
11/16 - Spray and Pray's attack speed boost reduced to 30/45/60%, from 40/60/80%. A cumulative attack speed nerf of 50% overall with the update 2 weeks ago cumulatively. Updated guide accordingly. Core build remains unchanged but now 2 attack speed items are completely viable.
Oracle's Elixir now has a particle effect, OH HAPPY DAY! This is a huge benefit for us, and will save you so much micromanaging.
When to play Twitch
Twitch is a champion that requires specific circumstances in order to devastate the enemy team. A poor team layout can make life for Twitch super hard, and in some circumstances leave him with no choice but to never engage, or trade kills. So here is some advice.
WHEN your team has another character with invisibility.
Akali, Shaco, Teemo, or Evelynn. This forces the enemy into placing wards and using oracle's. Which makes life harder for you, and your teammates.
WHEN your team has 2+ squishies.
If you team cannot initiate combat well or stay alive for very long, you will not have the opportunity to engage and survive.
WHEN your team has 2+ carries.
You don't need more carry, you need support, CC or tanks.
WHEN you are already raging or tired.
Twitch requires you to be sharp and pay attention to everything that is going on. Being in a poor state of mind will make you overly aggressive and you will make mistakes. Play someone easier.
WHEN your team has 2+ Tanks.
If you have tanks then initiating team battles will be easy for your team, allowing you to position correctly and deal some damage.
WHEN your team has 2+ disablers/Stunners.
CC effects are the most reliable way to win battles. Enemies who don't run away are easy to kill.
WHEN your team doesn't have a physical carry.
Having a Twitch will force enemies into splitting their defense between armor and magic resist.
WHEN you have a premade team who will work with you.
With a group of friends to set you up, you will surely shine during most games.
WHEN your team has Kayle, Morgana, or Shen.
Kayle and Shen Ultis, and Morgana's Magic shield when applied to Twitch, often times will let you slay enemies unhindered. Ask em to plan on using it on you during team fights.
WHEN its a week with free Twitch.
Feeding on sub-par Twitches is easy as Twitch.
Obviously there are potential contradictions within this advice, so you make the call. Is there a character that would benefit your party more? I end up playing tanks often during solo queue games because everyone is afraid to let someone else carry them. I play to win, but if you want to practice Twitch under difficult circumstances, more power to ya.
Runes and Masteries
Runes and Masteries provide a substantial boost to your offense. We are going for a critical hit build, which I will explain later.
Here are the runes you want to use.
Greater Quintessence of Malice X 3. 5.58% critical chance.
Greater Mark of Malice X9. 8.37% critical chance.
Greater Seal of Malice X9. 3.78% critical chance.
Greater Glyph of Celerity X9. 8.1% cooldown reduction.
This gives you a 17.73% critical chance and 8.1% reduced cooldowns. There have been debates about which is better, critical chance or armor penetration. But since we are building for criticals, the 17.73% crit chance is going to be boosted in damage by 50% from Infinity Edge and another 10% from masteries. SO that 17.73% crit chance will become 28.36% more effective damage and help give you a reliable chance to critical in combination with other items. I've done testing and the crit runes feel so much nicer than armor pen, dodge, and the like.
For masteries I do 27/0/3. I want maximum damage in everything I do, be it farming, ganking, or pushing lane.
So long as you get the final skill on the Offensive tree and the crit bonuses, it doesn't really matter where the rest of your points go, so do what you want.
Combined Runes and masteries you get 19.71% critical chance. You will love it.
Item Build
There are many valid item builds for Twitch. It is my belief that how you play Twitch is far more important than how your equip him, so focus on how to engage properly. However since you want to know how I roll, here is my core build. I used to have 2 build options but I've found after many matches that my standard build is always more effective than my anti-tank build, even against tanks.
Our goal is to get an Infinity Edge aka IE. IE makes your critical hits do 50% more damage, thus a 50% critical chance would yield you 75% more effective damage. No single offensive item is more awesome. From there you have many options depending on who you are fighting and how fights are going.
Here is your build order.
1. Doran's Shield and Health Potion get these to start. The extra health will come in handy.
2. Pickaxe next. The 25 damage boost will take your measly 70ish damage up around 100. Its like a 35% boost in damage.
3. Vampiric Scepter get this if you can jungle a bit or are having minor issues being harassed.
4. Boots of Speed next. Build boots first if you are laning against someone with skillshots.
5. Cloak of Agility, B. F. Sword get them in any order as your funds allow.
6. Infinity Edge. Once you make this you are a beast. You will deal some devastating crits for around 400.
7. Executioner's Calling turn that scepter into one of these babies. Don't forget to use its active ability on lifeleachers and healers like Warwick, Mundo, or any carry who has lifeleech. It will shut them down especially in 1 on 1 fights.
8. Boots of Mobility complete these now so you can get to battles. Berserker's Greaves can be used for heavy jungling, and Ninja Tabi can be used against another hard carry that might be targeting you, but 9/10 games you will want the highest movement speed for getting to battles before they are over.
Now you have:
Doran's Shield Infinity Edge Executioner's Calling and Boots of Mobility or your favorite boots.
That is my core build. It leaves you with a nice 54.71% crit chance, heavy damage, great mobility, and enough life steal to stay afloat.
ALTERNATELY if you are pro as Twitch, you can forgo the Doran's Shield for a Long Sword and upgrade it to a Sword of the Occult as your first item. Only do this if you have a premade team and you are good at not dying.
You have many options for your next 2-3 items which we will explore.
You must decide what you need based on how combat is going.
If you are successful during team fights then continue along the path of more damage.
If you are getting killed before you can deal substantial damage, look into more survivability.
I recommend getting some increased attack speed, 40% will do, and then get back to more damage. With a recent nerf to Ambush's attack speed (70% from 100%) and a nerf to Spray and Pray by 20% at max level, 90% more increased attack speed will make you hit the cap of 2.5 attacks per second with Ambush + Spray and Pray. The option of having 2 attack speed items is now more justifiable. I'd still stick with a damage item over a second attack speed increase.
Attack speed choices:
Recurve Bow
I recommend getting one of these first as they are cost effective and can be upgraded to fit any situation. Lets see what it can turn into.
IS A BAD CHOICE, but I see many Twitches using it. As of Oct. 19th patch it no longer gives life steal instead it gives ability power, lowers magic resist, and deals a flat 20 magic damage. Even when it did life steal it was a bad choice. You can get more use out of our next item:
Last Whisper
IS MY RECOMMENDATION. It is an effective and cheap item for bustin through tanks, and will naturally increase the lifesteal from your executioners calling through lowered enemy armor. An average character with no armor items on will have around 70 armor, this will lower it by 28. Against tanks it will cut through 60+ armor.
[item=Stark's Fervor]
Is amazing! However DO NOT buy one unless you have another teammate with one. The -20 armor debuff will let enemies know when you are and are not around. This will ruin your fear effect, which is bad for business. But if you have a teammate with one it will mask whether or not you are around AND significantly help your other AD friends. Stark's Fervor stacks with itself twice on people who have it. Once for the bonus you give yourself, and once for the bonus a teammate gives. That 40% attack speed and 40% life steal is nothing to scoff at.
Sword of the Divine
You build one of these if you are up against Jax or anyone with 2 of the following Ninja Tabi or Phantom Dancer that might be hard for you to take down. The active ability lets you blow through dodge AND penetrate armor - NICE!
Wit's End
Is a rare build, but can ruin certain characters like Rammus, Amumu, and Blitzcrank who generally have low mana pools but a necessity on mana for being useful. Most casters however will just drop in 5-6 shots so Wit's End is only useful against tougher characters who use mana. Useless against any character who doesn't have mana which is why I've only build one a few times.
Phantom Dancer
Is a solid choice. It gives you the attack speed you want, plus MORE crit and some handy move speed and dodge. I normally don't build one of these in favor of a cheaper attack speed item and another damage item. BUILD ONE OF THESE AFTER you have another big damage item if you don't need more survivability, or as your final item if a game is dragging out long.
[item=Madred's Bloodrazor]
Is a great tank buster. It will give you an additional 40 magic damage per 1000 health an opponent may have, plus more damage, armor, attack speed. It is one way around someone who is stacking armor against you, but only if they don't also have a big magic resist item on. I stopped building this because its super expensive and doesn't flow with the critical build we already have going for us.
Now you have some attack speed. Lets get onto making the most of our big crits by substantiating our damage.
Damage Choices:
Sword of the Occult
Is a cheap way to build damage. It is only effective if you can survive team fights and is not recommended for anyone who isn't really comfortable as Twitch. If you die every team fight, even if you get 2-3 kills per fight, it will not make this item worthwhile.
The Black Cleaver
Will help out your team if you have other physical damage party members, but is beast on its own for your purposes.
The Bloodthirster
Adds MORE lifesteal in addition to nice damage, and if you don't die for a while it can become pretty substantial, capping at 100 damage and 25% lifesteal. Get this to counteract Thornmail or if you need a little edge against an enemy AD carry.
Once you have a big damage item to fill out your criticals, you should think about more survivability.
Survivability items seem so foreign to how twitch plays, but you can't avoid taking damage if the enemy is hunting you. Often times one of their carries will hold back and wait for you to show your face, and slam you when you do. It is times like these that being able to take a hit is necessary.
Warmog's Armor
Will put you up into the 3000 health range and make you a pain to take down. Build this if you are gettin stopped by regular attack damage and spells that aren't crowd controlling you.
Frozen Mallet
Is a solid choice if you just need more health but don't want to sacrifice offensive utility.
Banshee's Veil
Is great in combination with Cleanse against a team with heavy stuns or devastating ultimates.
Quicksilver Sash
Has a longer cooldown than Banshee's veil, but its cheaper and you can use it when you want to. Great choice if you didn't pick cleanse and you are getting blinded or stunned.
Sight Ward
Is more of a mandatory buy for me. Getting them for almost any situation is a good idea. There is a chapter on these that will show you when and where to place them.
Vision Ward
Is great to place instead of sight ward if the enemy team has a stealther. During tower defenses place them just out front of your towers sight distance, and on offenses place them just outside the sight distance of the enemy tower on your side. This will often times get your team a kill on an enemy stealther who thinks he is sneaky.
[item=Oracle's Elixir]
Is good for finding enemy wards or stealth enemies. Try to get your tank or a party member who isn't dying to pick one up as well.
Elixir of Fortitude
Is good to grab before a big battle if you are strapped for cash. You will get noticeable amounts of survivability and damage.
[item=Elixir of Agility]
Is also good to grab before a big battle, especially in conjunction with a Fort elixir. The boost is short, but long enough for you to win 1-2 fights, and the difference between winning can sometimes be so marginal. Only grab this if you are already fairly decked out in items.
Skilling Order
This is how I order my skills with Twitch.
I focus on Ambush because it has so much functionality, especially with my play-style of keeping the enemy believing I'm where I want them to think I am. Many others focus hard on getting that [spell=Expunge] up. I feel this gimps your farming ability compared to a faster attack speed once you have a Pickaxe. You need money and early, and Twitch can farm heavily after level 5 when not in lane waiting to attack. Long Ambush times also allow you to sit in lane longer to make the enemy think you've left. I prefer to travel invisible at all times. We get our [spell=expunge] up next with 1 point into [spell=debilitating poison]. We finish our longer duration slow last, because most enemies will not live longer than 3 seconds after you've popped [spell=Debilitating Poison].
Summoner Abilities
There are many great Summoner Abilities to choose from. I feel there are a few that shine above the rest however.
Is mandatory for playing as Twitch in my opinion. It is both an excellent offensive and defensive tool.
- Use it to get closer to a running target to get another shot or 2 off.
- Use it to jump over trees to avoid a gank.
- Use it to position yourself for an attack.
- Use it to narrowly avoid a terrible death like Nunu's ulti.
- Use it to put a space between you and a melee opponent when its a close battle and end them before they finish you.
- Use it to get a head start when retreating.
- Remember that using Flash will break stealth. HOWEVER you can use Ambush and then flash away before the 1.5 second fade time is up and it will allow you to go stealth shortly after.
Now you have 1 more summoner spell to choose.
Good options I have found success using:
Is a popular choice. Almost mandatory against good teams.
- It will remove most stuns and roots.
- You cannot cleanse Warwicks ulti, Malzahar's Ulti, or any ability that knocks you around or up into the air.
- It will reduce crowd control effects on you after use.
- Works well in conjunction with teleport. Cleanse then teleport then ambush while running away.
- Using this skill breaks stealth.
Will give you the upper hand in many situations.
- It opens up the window of viability for you to 1v1 many champions.
- It is an additional slow you can use for chasing.
- It can give you the opening you need to Ambush away from an opponent.
- It shuts down enemy hard carries like Twitch, Yi, and Ashe.
- Using this skill breaks stealth.
Is a great multipurpose skill. I use this often as my second summoner ability.
- It protects towers for 6 seconds giving your team time to get there and defend.
- It increases tower damage and gives them splash. Useful to stomp bold enemies who dare towerdive and expect to live with low life.
- It gives you 9 bonus damage against minions when not on cooldown. This is the major selling point for me on this skill. Makes last hitting and jungling so much easier early game which equals more money when you need it.
- It can give you an upper hand during a tower defense where your tower is low and the enemy expects to finish it off. Wait until your tower is super low then hit fortify and watch your tower continue to hold your terrain 1 last time while you own face!
Is pretty handy.
- Use it to teleport back to your lane early game with haste after you go back to buy or heal.
- Use it to jump into an allies lane and help fight.
- Use it to backdoor enemy towers when your creeps get near but the enemy is elsewhere.
- Use it to defend a tower that is about to get mashed by creeps.
- Teleport breaks stealth. If you are going to teleport to your allies in combat, ambush first, let it charge up a bit, then teleport in with your attack speed bonus on.
Is awesome. I prefer compulsive use of wards but it can do things you can't do with wards.
- Use it to check the brush for enemies where you don't have a ward placed.
- Use it to check Baron.
- Use it to illuminate an area you plan on traveling through.
- Use it to keep an enemy from brush diving and breaking line of sight while under attack, letting you or your teammates finish em off.
- Does not detect stealth enemies.
Provides a useful damage boost for your team in an area.
- Good for attacking towers and Baron.
- Can absorb 2-4 hits from a tower which is useful for finishing a tower off.
- Towers see wards and rally flags as creeps and will prioritize them over you and your teammates as such.
Is fun early game but lacks luster after mid-game.
- Use it to trick and finish cocky opponents early-game. They will think you are almost dead and then BAM, you gain another few hundred life and finish em off.
- Use it during team fights to minorly heal your busted up team. Since you won't be attacking until combat has started, many of your allies will have moderate to heavy battle damage already.
- Using this skill breaks stealth.
Bad options:
Will get you moving. I have found it only useful for getting to a battle. Using it to run rarely works any better than popping ambush alone. Ghost does not break stealth.
Is good for early game ganks but thats it. You deal so much damage after you get just a few items it will make you regret choosing ignite.
Smite attracts the wolves and ruins your illusion of fear. Having this skill will inspire opponents to hunt you down in your own jungle. I even stopped using it on Amumu and Warwick because I found it safer to just tough it out the first few levels for more security. You don't want your opponents to think you are in jungle, you want them worried you are sitting right there in lane, waiting for them to make a mistake.
Is ok for giving teammates mana, but Twitch doesn't have mana problems after level 6.
Has a 9 minute cooldown. Chances are you will get maybe 2 uses out of it, and you shouldn't be dying often! I have seen it used a few times by characters like Yi for latebreaking pushes after a gruesome combat where most of both teams died. Maybe you like it, it doesn't suit me as well as other abilities.
Rules of Engagement
The difference between being the feeder that lost the game for his team, and being the carry who gets friend requests from enemies after the match is following the rules. This is the most important part of this guide. These rules when followed will increase your survivability and optimize your performance. I came up with these rules for myself to keep me on the right track despite my bloodlust and rage during tough games. Before reading on to the good stuff lets understand what Twitch is.
Twitch is a glass cannon in every sense of the word. He is one of the frailest characters in the game at under 1800 health at lvl 18. He has no great escape mechanisms aside from Flash and will be unable to escape and die almost instantly under any sort of fire. He is also the highest priority target due to his insane offensive capabilities and people will use all sorts of tricks, wards and tactics to hunt him down. He can lay waste to an entire enemy team under the right circumstances. That being said, your team needs you to be alive for team battles!
Here is a list of the rules without descriptions for quick reference or those with no attention span.
Rule #1 - DO NOT FACE CHECK BUSHES.
Rule #2 - DO NOT SUICIDE.
Rule #3 - PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR ENEMIES.
Rule #4 - POSITION YOURSELF.
Rule #5 - ATTACK AFTER COMBAT BEGINS.
Rule #6 - LINE EM UP.
Rule #7 - PLACE WARDS.
Rule #8 - MAKE THEM FEAR YOU.
Here are the rules in detail so you can fully understand and appreciate each one.
You are not a scout, you are not a tank, you are not a holiday parade, you are your teams damage. Too often I see people use stealth as a crutch. As soon as they encounter enemies who use wards and oracles, they start to feed hard. Practice playing like you don't have stealth. When it comes time to team fights, stay behind your tank until you are ready to position yourself. Many people will consider you a scout. You are not, but placing wards can serve the purpose. They are a cheap alternative to putting yourself in danger and risking an untimely death.
Suicides include:
- ATTACKING THE ENEMY TEAM SOLO. You are not a 1 man team. Pretending to do so will give you time to go to the restroom while you wait to respawn.
- TRADING A KILL FOR A KILL. Sure that champion behind the enemy team is at a sliver of life. You'd get gold for killing him, but you would die too giving the enemy team gold. You lose precious experience whilst dead and leave your team without their damage.
- TRYING TO SAVE SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY DEAD. Yeah you want to do something but chances are it will just get you killed also. Even if you only see 1 opponent behind your teammate, many more enemies may be in hot pursuit.
- TOWER DIVING. Early game you can get 3 shotted by towers. Even at high levels you will still be squishy. Let your teammates pull tower agro before stepping foot into range, and keep track of tower agro so that they don't switch to you.
- CHASING. If you didn't finish someone off and you are running across the map to try and get them, you may run into another opponent who is full health and ready to mash your face. Unless it is the last enemy alive, don't waste your time chasing someone you can't catch.
Keep track of where your opponents are, where known enemy wards have been placed, and who is using Oracles. The new particle effect for Oracle's Elixir makes it super easy to see who is using them, no more clicking every single enemy before combat to see who might have one. Ask your teammates to let you know if they see anyone using an Oracles. This awareness will allow you to adjust your tactics accordingly. If an enemy is using an oracles, make sure you steer clear of them so you don't get spotted. Everyone on the enemy team can see you when you come within viewing range of an enemy using an oracles or a vision ward. 32+ champions have a skill that can kill or disable you. Watch to see which enemies have used what skills, this will allow you to determine how threatening they may be.
Rule #4 - POSITION YOURSELF.
Plan to either stand and fight, or escape at some point and position yourself accordingly.
- Engaging the enemy from behind will prevent them from escaping but also prevent you from escaping.
- Engaging near a treeline will offer you a place to Flash over and escape.
- Engaging from behind your team offers you the most protection but will allow enemies to run from you.
- Engaging from a flanking (side) position will offer you flexibility to chase or retreat and will be the most common place you attack from.
Attack after a team fight has ensued, but before your team is obliterated. Wait for most big ultis to get blown which gives you an opportunity to engage with minimal retaliation. This is the hardest rule to follow and will take a lot of trial and error. Knowing when to engage requires complete knowledge of all the opponents you are facing. I suggest reading about and playing as characters you don't know to fully understand their strengths and weaknesses.
Your shots have piercing and can hit multiple enemies. Try to shoot in a manner that hits as many enemies as possible while still hitting priority targets. If you have to choose between hitting 2 tanks or 1 carry, hit the carry.
Wards are your best friend. They allow your team to make decisions in confidence. They prevent the enemy from getting the drop on you. They allow you to catch enemies off guard. Ask your teammates to place wards too. If you are warding the map your teammates will feel more inclined to do so as well. Perfect placement of wards during different situations will yield better results. We will discuss wards more in the Where To Place Wards section.
Twitch is one of the few champions who can strike fear into the hearts of opponents even when hes not there. Its important to understand how to make this happen.
- You must not feed or fall behind in levels. Enemies just won't fear you if you are a pushover.
- You must also stay out of sight as often as possible. If the enemy doesn't know where you are they are inclined to play more conservatively. As soon as you are seen in a different area, the enemy can attack knowing you aren't there to stop them.
- If you need to heal or buy, try pressing the attack on the enemy creeps then run in an offensive direction while going invisible. Once Invisible, run to a place where they cannot see you and recall(preferably not the bushes directly to either side of the lane). This will give the illusion that you are looking for an opening to strike. Chances are your lanemate will be safe to defend until you return because the enemy will think you are there.
- JUNGLE! If your team doesn't have a full-time jungler you should take the opportunity to do so around level 4-7 when you have your pickaxe and vampiric scepter made. Jungle buffs are also nice. If you have a visual on all your enemies, you could sneak into their jungle and try to steal their buffs as well. Pop into lane every so often for a gank or just to give the feeling that you are lurking there.
-Be unpredictable! Don't always attack from the same side. Your opponents will get savvy to what you are doing and catch you off guard.
- Don't trash talk, and don't talk in /all if you can't keep your mouth shut. It will just lower morale on your team and make you look like a weak player. Also it is bad for the community as a whole. We all play for the challenge and to have fun, so keep it fun.
- Follow the other 7 rules. They will allow you to become feared.
Where to place Wards
Wards when placed almost anywhere will give your team a slight advantage. When placed properly they can shutdown an enemies element of surprise. Here are places where you should put wards during different situations. The circled tower implies this is where you are attacking/defending and the dots drawn around the areas are where to place your wards. It is assumed that you should always place your wards in the brush if brush is near the placement area. Mirror placements if you are on top.
Against enemies who go invisible, ward placement should be the same as the previous, with one exception. Place a ward outside of the enemies tower sight range when attacking in the middle of the lane. And during Tower defense, place a ward in the center of the lane just outside of your towers sight range. This can give your team an opportunity to end their stealther who is potentially being used as a scout.
The Combo
Here is your standard method for attacking opponents during team fights. [Q] [R] [W] [E]
[Q] Ambush and stay off the radar. Plan where you want to strike from and wait for combat to begin. You can engage from a longer distance than your attack range, and shoot over trees with your ulti, offering you more safety if needed. Position accordingly. Once in Position
[R] [spell=Spray and Pray] then attack your main target and watch the damage fly. Prioritize enemy casters and carries first.
[W] [spell=Debilitating Poison] when the enemy starts to run.
[E] [spell=Expunge] when enemies are about to leave your range.
If all went well, you should have gotten a couple kills and your team will be saying gj.
Early - Mid Game
The three phases of the game play out very differently from one another as Twitch.
FIRST look at enemy summoner abilities. Keep note of who has exhaust and heal. These abilities will catch you off guard.
So your team has selected characters, you've bought your items. Now to pick a lane and a partner.
AVOID being mid if possible. Most characters who are good at middle lane will dominate you and push your tower hard. You will be forced to hug tower and make many trips back to base to heal, leaving you underleveled for a mid. If the enemy team has a Twitch mid, you especially want to be in a different lane, so you can catch him off guard for easy kills.
GO with a sidelane and a partner. If your team has a jungler and you have 2 solo lanes, be in the lane that gets 2 people.
Your first priority as Twitch is to not die. Don't be ballsy and run up with your lane partner into the brush on the enemies side hoping for an early gank. With your Doran's Shield you only have 476 health. Many early gamers will have as much as 900 to start. Just focus on not dying.
Once you have your Pickaxe and Vampiric Scepter try to get some jungle time if your team doesn't have a jungler.
You'll learn when and if its the right time to jungle from experience. Don't leave your lane partner against a duo that will push him and lose your tower. It is only beneficial for your team if your lane partner can handle defending his tower alone, yielding more overall experience for your team.
At level 6 you can now gank. If you are in lane try to not make it obvious that you are leaving to go gank. Often times you will be popin in and out for ganks and back to lane or jungling until around level 11-13 after a few towers have been taken down, and teams start fighting together.
Late Game
Late game is when teams merge together for big pushes. This is where you really shine. Follow the Rules of Engagement. Create that illusion of fear. Your team will be trying to push towers or defending towers depending on how well things have been going.
If your team is planning on pushing a tower get those wards out as soon as possible to keep your team safe when they get there. Try to keep creep waves pushed back toward the enemies side in all lanes. Most teams will not be able to push a tower without a creep wave mid game.
If there is a large creep wave in one of your teams lanes getting near a tower, run over and defend it. Once you stomp that wave, get out of there and back to your team. If you push anymore than 1 additional wave, you risk enemies being able to get to you.
Once you have your standard item build complete you should be a valuable asset to your team. Remember to adjust your tactics according to how the enemy is playing.
After any successful team fight, get your team to push a tower! PUSH PUSH PUSH! Pushing towers is how games are won. If you don't see an opportunity to push a tower because a few enemies are still alive, move creep waves closer to the enemy base, hit the jungle or hit Baron with 1-2 others, regroup and get back to winning another team fight!
If your team is fighting at an enemy tower, focus down the tower unless there is a squishy opponent available. Late game towers drop in 5 seconds with a decent group.
How to Beat Twitch
Its one thing to play as Twitch, its another thing to face him. Twitch is counterable if you make an effort to do so. If you do not, chances are he will become fed.
Exhaust should give you enough time to kill him. Having at least 2 in any party will ensure you a high probability of shutting him down even if he has Cleanse.
Vision Ward place these in his lane, or in areas where you think he might be. These I find most effective as Twitch doesn't normally come close to enemies with Oracles on.
[item=Oracle's Elixir] especially on your tank is important. The more you have in your team, the higher probability you will have of finding him.
Thornmail drops Twitch like he is hot. Only if he has a great amount of lifesteal will he be able to survive against his own damage. If everyone on your team has a thornmail, say goodbye to Twitch. His Ulti is now his death sentence.
Ambush him! Have a carry or disabler hang back and save a disable or big ultimate for him. When he makes himself visible, shut him down.
Hit Him when his Ambush is on cooldown or he isn't invisible. He is a sitting duck without that precious attack speed bonus or escape route. You can often times find him in an empty lane stopping creeps, or in the jungle grabbing buffs.
If you are laning alone or Twitch is MIA, HUG TOWER! There is no shame in hugging tower. It is a defensive tactic that is very sucessful.
When you are playing as Twitch against an enemy team with Twitch, you have a new priority - keeping their twitch dead and unfed. [item=Oracle's Elixir] is a must for you. Lurk in places where you would be if you were the enemy Twitch. When you find him, wait for a good opportunity to strike him, like when he is alone, or when his teammates are already engaged in combat. If it is too dangerous to strike just stay near him and maybe one of your teammates will drop in on him. You cannot win a 1 on 1 fight against an enemy Twitch who is more fed than you unless he is a total scrub. So do what you can to keep your team organized.
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General Motors will idle production of the Chevrolet Volt for four weeks in total, according to a report by Automotive News.
This round of idling, the second instance this year, will start in mid-September. GM claims that they are continuing to match supply and demand, though inventories are at 84 days right before the shutdown, compared to 154 when the Detroit-Hamtramck plant was closed earlier this year.
So far, GM has sold just under 10,666 units of the Volt in 2012, well up from 2010, but still far off projections that were as high as 45,000 Volts sold in 2012.
Tagged as Chevrolet, Chevrolet Volt, general motors, production
93 Comments on "GM To Idle Volt Plant Again..."
August 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am
I can see why they have stopped making the "Volt" I think they are very expensive for the average Consumer, and they have not proven there durablity over the long term!
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magicboy2August 28th, 2012 at 10:02 am
From USA Today article:
"We are not idling the plant due to poor Volt sales. We're gearing up for production of the new Impala," Chevy spokesman David Darovitz said in an email.
Volt inventories are about half the levels of where they were when they shut down the plant last time, and sales continue to rise.
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Volts On FireAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Spin, spin, spin…
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mcsAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
No mention by the GM spokesman of the fact that there is a new domestic competitor that has greater seating capacity and an initial cost that is about $10k less.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:40 am
What car is that?
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Joe McKinneyAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Ford C-Max?
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Nicholas WeaverAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
If you mean the C-Max plug-in, its a joke in the same class as the Plug in Prius: A 15 mile plug-in range is stupid, its far less cost savings than a 35 mile electric range.
Also, the price difference goes way down, as the tax credit for a 35 mile plug-in is a good $5k more compared with the 15 mile plug-ins.
I think the big problem with the volt is not the cost, or the utility. But the thing is so FUGLY on the outside…
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doloreanAugust 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Volts on Fire, looks like the spin is pure TTAC.
From AutoWeek: "General Motors plans to idle the plant where it assembles the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid for four weeks starting next month to retool for production of the all-new 2014 Impala and a small number of 2013 Malibus.
GM will close its Detroit-Hamtramck plant from Sept. 17 until Oct. 15, one source said. Union representatives last week told the plant's roughly 1,500 workers about the scheduled downtime."
Looks more like someone holds a GM grudge.
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bd2August 28th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Volt sales have risen every month since March and sales are on pace to exceed that of the 1G Prius in its 1st full year of sale in the US.
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Pch101August 28th, 2012 at 10:16 am
The Automotive News article specifically mentions the retooling for the Impala. Why that was omitted from here, I don't know.
That omission also represents a bit of a lost opportunity for a legitimate critique — why does it take GM so long to retool a plant?
TMC can retool a line in half of the time or less. GM is now allegedly a lean producer, which should make this a faster process.
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ttiguyAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:38 am
I'm not sure which TMC plant you're referencing but the Dham plant
Is now going to be running 3 unique models. I can tell you from first hand experience that just the body shop tooling alone is quite complex and it's unrealistic to expect the whole project to be completed within 10 days. If demand were really strong for either the 'bu or volt the timeframe could be shrunk some I suppose but there really is little need for that.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am
@PCH101- a bit presumptuous to think you have adequate knowledge to make a comparison between TMC and GM in "re-tooling" plants unless you have detailed knowledge of specific cases, what tasks were reqiored and what the time constraints are for completion of those tasks. Data available for such things as die changes, shows that GM is a leader in that measure.
ttiguy knows what he is talking about.
@sunridge place- You are correct, and it is curious how the difference between Manufacturer's revenue stream and Dealer sales is twisted and spun around here.
@Ronnie Schreiber- You are correct: Ford at 113%, GM at 108% and Chrysler at 104%, if memory serves
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Pch101August 29th, 2012 at 9:52 am
"a bit presumptuous to think you have adequate knowledge to make a comparison between TMC and GM in "re-tooling" plants unless you have detailed knowledge of specific cases"
TMC retooled for the Camry in ten days.
Apparently, GM needs 28 days to do something similar.
Last I checked, 28 days was about 18 days longer than 10 days. But I suppose that things are different at General Motors.
You will never admit it, of course, but Toyota does a better job of building cars than GM does. If your attitudes prevail at the new GM, then I can safely assume that this difference is not going to change, since people trained in the GM way are too stubborn to learn from others who can do it better.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am
PCH- Your writings simply reaffirm your own bias and lack of understanding. TMC is a very well run company, but they are not godlike, as you presume. Nor is GM without good success stories. You have absolutely no idea what retooling for Camry means compared to the action at the Volt plant. None whatsoever, but typical liberal, you presume to know far more than you do, particularly with regards to how I or anyone in GM thinks.
That is the height of presumption.
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Pch101August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
"Your writings simply reaffirm your own bias and lack of understanding"
Where I live, 28 – 10 = 18. Those 18 days cost money.
I suppose that things are different at GM. And you wonder why the company filed bankruptcy.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Great arithmetic skill! Gold star.
I don't wonder, I know exactly why.
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Pch101August 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am
"I don't wonder, I know exactly why."
Your comments suggest that you have absolutely no clue why GM filed bankruptcy.
Here's a hint, though — it's the mentality of the guy who stares back at you in the mirror.
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Carlson FanAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Who really cares anyways that/why they are idling the plant. Volt sales figures are all over the internet first of every month for anyone that's curious. That's what matters, not what capacity the plant is running at. It's obvious they set up the line to build more per day than they have ever been able to sell.
The Volt has outsold the Leaf, PIP and every other full on EV put together in the last few months. It will do so again in August.
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gslippyAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I've never been a fan of the Volt for a variety of reasons, but you are correct.
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KixStartAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:50 am
With $7500 from the Feds (ten times the effective tax incentive for the Prius when it hit its stride with the gen 2 model) similar amounts from European countries plus various and sundry incentives from the states, GM has managed to sell a mere 1700 Volt/Amperas per month this year, worldwide. And in the US it gets three times the incentive the Prius PHV gets.
If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of one hand clapping.
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BrianLAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
How is the Leaf doing with the same incentive as the Volt and a lower selling price? The PIP is selling in far less numbers in the US than the Volt. I don't know about the worldwide numbers.
1700 per month is more than several cars that are on the market. What is also important is that so far, the rate per month still looks to be increasing as well.
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Carlson FanAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:31 am
"No mention by the GM spokesman of the fact that there is a new domestic competitor that has greater seating capacity and an initial cost that is about $10k less."
Who's that? Right now there isn't a car on the market that is an apples to apples comparison to the Volt.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Asked the same question, if the answer, which I suspect is the Prius Plug-In then mcs is wrong.
Volt: $39995 – $7500 = $32495
Prius Plug-In: $32000 – $2500 = $29,500
$2995 cheaper, not $10,000, with 1/4 to 1/3 the battery range, and that range is not pure battery only (up to about 47 MPH before gas kicks in) and has less features/options base model to base model.
I'll be curious to see the answer.
If they misspoke and meant to say "just $10K higher," (they did say domestic) that's wrong to. The Tesla S is $57,400 in its base form. Tesla does a great job of spinning the price as $49,900 and burying you need the government tax break to get to that number (take a look at their website and the light gray hard to read fine print)
Tesla S base: $57,400 – $7,500 = $49,900
Chevy Volt base: $39,995 – $7,500 = $32,495
The Tesla S is almost $17,500 more expensive.
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KixStartAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am
When we consider the performance of the manufacturer, it's best to set aside the tax rebate. Toyota hit a $32K MSRP price point and GM hits a $40K MSRP price point. True, the Toyota does not have the range that the Volt does but if you have a short commute (and why would someone who has actually cared about fuel consumption have a long commute?), then why would you pay more?
Toyota aimed, deliberately, for the part of the market that they thought likely cared about fuel consumption enough to have done something about it already (people that live a low-miles lifestyle) and they programmed the car to get maximum advantage out of the battery. Seriously, why drain the battery pointlessly quickly on the highway when the ICE can handle high-speed demands efficiently?
The Prius PHV may not come with the ad copy that you like but their success with the Prius Classic means they had nothing to prove and ere free to build a car that they thought offered good value. They did hit a far more reasonable price point than GM.
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BrianLAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:36 am
It is a lot easier to buy a different car than move when you get a different job. Also, it wouldn't make sense to buy a PIP if you have a short commute. Your cost savings would be the worst. Buying a Corolla, Civic, Cruze, Focus, or Sentra would make far more sense.
But, I also do wonder about the difference content outside of the battery when you compare the PIP and the Volt. But, I digress, I think it is applicable for consumers to compare the cost they are going to pay for the car.
The Volt and PIP have rebates, both state and federal. Both should be considered by any consumer who might be in the market for these vehicles. Rarely is a car bought on price alone.
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philadljAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Well, one thing's for sure, they're certainly building more than they need to. The Volt is starting to look like the muffin stump of the automotive world.
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highdesertcatAugust 28th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too because if the Volt was much in demand they wouldn't shut down production.
To me it sounds like they have enough Volts in the pipeline to halt production without affecting supply.
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Luke42August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
They sell as many Volts as they can get. At least according to the salesman at my local Chevy dealer, and after I had towait a week and make an appointment to see one. The Volt is an expensive niche vehicle, but it's outselling the Corvette (which is similarly priced and also a niche vehicle).
But I live in a college town in flyover country. There are enough well off people here who value new technology but who wont drive a look-at-me brand to drive sales. I'm sure places with a different cultural values will value the Volt differently.
BTW, just went to lunch with a guy who makes six figures and drives a beater Corolla. The thing held four geeks in near-comfort and does exactly what he needs every, so why change! And the corporate mothership wonders why we have lower turnover than most other locations. :-)
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Carlson FanAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am
"$2995 cheaper, not $10,000, with 1/4 to 1/3 the battery range, and that range is not pure battery only (up to about 47 MPH before gas kicks in) and has less features/options base model to base model."
All you have to do with a PIP is floor it and even with a fully charged battery your burning gas. It's nothing more than a regular Prius with a bigger battery meaning it's still an ICE car w/battery asssit. Doesn't have the electrical muscle to get out of its own way when it has to.
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August 28th, 2012 at 11:31 am
No surprise. They have been building them at much higher rate than sales. The retooling excuse is just too convenient. Retooling for a car that is 1.5 years away?
Its a shame the Volt isn't selling at much greater numbers. It is the best value out there when leased, if you factor in savings on gas. On the plus side, Aug Volt sales are supposedly the best ever.
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sunridge placeAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:36 am
The new Impala is not 1.5 years away…its about 6 months away…off by a year.
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D in the DAugust 28th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Less than 6 months, from what I've read in the Detroit papers… It also IS a 3rd platform, so the comparisons to Toyota or Honda are not valid.
If people want to make that comparison, look at Fairfax, where the latest new Malibu was all-new and there was no stoppage at all. That's where there is one platform like the transplant facilities have, and the results are similar, if not better.
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el scottoAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:36 am
I just had a quick look at Toyota's website. It looks like It looks like Toyota has three Prius' and a Camry hybrid that are cheaper than the volt. They do have a highlander listed for $38,715. This was quick an dirty research, I didn't do the "build your own" games, nor did I seriously search the 'net. Why would anyone pay extra to buy a Volt over one of the Toyota's? 20 large for a Prius C is looking sweet.
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bd2August 28th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
B/c the Volt looks and drives better than the Prius, and only the plug-in Prius can do an all electric mode for those w/ short enough commutes.
And Prius sales didn't really gain traction in the US until the 2nd generation when Toyota was able to cut the price significantly.
The same will happen for the 2G Volt and in the meanwhile there will be the Cadillac ELR which, with it's sleek sheetmetal and Cadillac badge, will be an easier sell when it comes to paying for the premium of being an early adopter of the Voltec system.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Prius C has a "do not recommend" from Consumer Reports for being ghastly to drive, having a ghastly interior and ghastly dynamics. It is a penalty box on wheels and not in the same class as even say a Corolla on features – it barely is in the same class as a Yaris.
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ABankThatMakesCarsAugust 28th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
How many Volts were counted as sales that are sitting on dealer lots? How many Volts did the govt buy? How many Volts did GE buy? How many Volts did Utilities buy? How many Volts did consumers buy?
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sunridge placeAugust 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I'll help here:
'How many Volts were counted as sales that are sitting on dealer lots?' None…the reported monthly sales are not sales to dealerships (unless you are BMW)
'How many Volts did the govt buy? How many Volts did GE buy? How many Volts did Utilities buy? How many Volts did consumers buy?'
Around 5% of Volt sales are fleet on a monthly basis. Google 'volt fleet sales' and you'll see a number of dramatic articles that assumed increased sales this year for the Volt were driven by GE/Govt sales…that is not true.
Here is one of those links:
Here's last month's fleet #'s for the Volt:
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
You, you, you, you and your FACTS.
How can you spoil a good anti-GM rant with facts.
I hate you!
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el scottoAugust 28th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
From TTAC it's ownself: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/02/u-s-government-ignores-obamas-ev-plans-cuts-ev-purchases-in-half/
The comments quickly delve into political debate. When you are looking for Government sales data, use GSA Government Services Administration. GSA buys all the the cars for the Gubmint.
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doloreanAugust 28th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
And as a 'owner' of seven GSAs here in Des Moines, my fleet consists of:
– two Chevy Avalanches
– one Chevy Malibu
– two Ford Foci (new)
– two Chevy Express Vans
I am anticipating the delivery of two new vans in exchange for the others and another Focus for the '09 Malibu. I have no idea why I have the Avalanches in lieu of the F250 diesels we normally have.
No one I know of in the military fleet system has a Volt, ABankThatMakesCars. Need to step back from the NewsCorp media breakfast/lunch/dinner and adjust your tin-foil hat.
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 am
"And as a 'owner' of seven GSAs here in Des Moines, my fleet consists of:"
No, you're a manager not an owner and it isn't your fleet, it belongs to us. The fact that you take a proprietary attitude towards public property is disturbing. Are you familiar with the term "steward"?
Why is the GSA replacing a perfectly serviceable 2009 MY car? Why should you and your fellow public employees get to drive new cars at our expense? Use it up and wear it out like people do in the private sector. If the USAF can use B-52s that are older than I am, you can force yourself to suffer by driving a 2009 Malibu.
As for NewsCorp, they're more trustworthy than the SEIU and AFSCME.
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sunridge placeAugust 29th, 2012 at 1:15 am
Geez Ronnie…relax. He put 'owner' in quotes for a reason. Maybe the Malibu is a lease? A 3 year lease of a govt fleet order late in the 09MY would be coming up around now.
His point was that there aren't Volts overwhelming his area of govt vehicles…in fact he had never seen one in govt fleet. He seems to be in the military as well.
By the way, even though the foxnews link referenced here was a reprint of a thestreet.com news item, the headline is crap.
Headline: Fishy? GE behind record Chevy Volt Sales
Point of the article: In fact, initial concerns that the record sales number posted by the Chevy Volt in March was driven by a big fleet purchase from GE(GE) were premature and didn't reflect just how quickly the Volt's fortunes shifted in March….
More importantly, only 160 of the purchases were by fleet buyers, while 2,129 Volts were purchased by retail car buyers. The fleet buying was only 5% of Volt sales.
Now that's a 'Fair and Balanced' Headline if I've ever seen one.
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el scottoAugust 29th, 2012 at 10:45 am
@ Ronnie, I don't what the GSA schedule is for retaining vehicles. It seems overall that cars and pick ups are rotated more often than work trucks. GSA vehicles are often used as carpool vehicles with strict controls. There are rules for GSA vehicle use.
I used to be the duty driver who picked up kids straight out of military schools. When I picked them up at the airport, I'd take em to eat if they were hungry and to the store if they needed something basic like toothpaste.
B-52s make a poor example for an analogy, they require insane amounts of maintenance and constant upgrades.
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doloreanAugust 29th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Ronnie my friend, as a Major, an Officer, I do own things. My commission from Congress and the President of the United States states such. This includes all property, to include the Soldiers who are assigned under my command. However, I'll deal specifically with durable goods, just for your sake.
Property is lent to me, in a broad sense, by the American public, with the intention that all of it is under my direct control. I sign for it all and do monthly inventories with my Officers and NCOs in order to ensure due diligence. If lost/damaged/destroyed, I have to account for it and have seen many instances of someone having to pay the Gummint for the property they lost or dare I say it, stole.
As for the AF utilizing B-52s since the '50s, how many long-range strategic bombers do you think we need? Then I'll point out that the AF has a long-standing love affair with the latest fighter jet and have had many since the '50s and a new LRSB is not sexy like a F-22 Raptor. It also has nothing to do with me replacing a '09 Malibu. While servicible, I have to stay within the limits of the lease the Gummint signed with the local car dealership.
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bd2August 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
How many Prius are in corporate, govt., and taxi fleets?
Quite a bit.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Hundreds of them between city, county and taxi fleets in Seattle alone.
Vancouver B.C. would have hundreds of them between taxis, city and provincial vehicles.
Ditto for Portland, Oregon.
I've never seen a fleet sales number for the Prius – I'm willing to bet 20%. BUT those are government/corporate purchase mostly, not kiss-of-death rental lot sales. However I have yet to see a Volt on any rental lot anywhere (I know you can rent them in NYC)
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el scottoAugust 28th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
APA I'm way too lazy to dig up data on state/county/municipality owned Volts :P
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doloreanAugust 29th, 2012 at 11:04 am
bd2, glad you brought that up. The city of Des Moines has several Prius' running around for civil service.
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ABankThatMakesCarsAugust 28th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
That's another thing…leases are counted as sales. What happens when these leases are turned in?
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sunridge placeAugust 28th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
'leases are counted as sales. What happens when these leases are turned in?'
This is quite simple as well. First of all, all car companies report leases as sales and GM has far fewer leases than most car companies.
The bank that holds the lease note owns the car when its returned. In GM's case (without a strong captive finance company yet) it is typically Ally or US Bank. The cars are sold as used with the bank keeping the proceeds (and carrying the risk)
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
And what happens to Toyota when all those $149 a month Camry leases get turned in?
Sheeze – the questions people are asking.
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CJinSDAugust 28th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
They'll sell them to people who couldn't qualify for Toyota new car financing for more revenue between iron residuals and high interest rates than they could have sold them for new.
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jkross22August 28th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Wow dude, chill.
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rickkopAugust 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I was going to respond to this thread but there is so much miss-information it would be a total waste of time. UHG
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Carlson FanAugust 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
"Ford C-Max?"
Is that what mcs is talking about? He did say domestic. If that 15 mile range can be done without use of the gas engine like a Volt kudos to Ford. I suspect that's not the case, most likely it operates like the PIP. A good car I'm sure, but not really comparable to a Volt.
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Mike KelleyAugust 28th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I like this take on the volt shutdown:
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GarbageMotorsCo.August 28th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Didn't General Electric ink a deal to buy 50 thousand of these puppies?
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GarbageMotorsCo.August 28th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Hurry hurry, get your Volt while you can.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
OK, I'll play. According to your link there are 5,460 Volts sitting on Chevrolet dealer lots.
There are, according to AutoTrader.com, 3,084 Chevrolet dealerships in the United States. Before you wail, "that's too many," there are now more Ford dealerships than Chevrolet dealerships, source AutoTrader also.
So lets do some reaaaaaly simple math.
5460 Volts / 3084 dealerships = 1.77 Volts in inventory per Chevrolet dealer.
Wait, we're not done – if we use your number. GM is selling about 1,500 Volts (lets be conservative and pad the number down) a month right now (and outselling all other comers combined basically).
So there is about three months inventory on lots right now.
Now lets have more fun with numbers, GarbageMotors style…seems as though Scion has a major iQ inventory problem…
Scion has 800 dealerships in the United States.
2612 / 800 = 3.265 iQs per Scion dealer. Double the Volt inventory. The horrors I tell you, the horrors!
Lets look at how many iQs Scion is selling (and likely at a loss given the strength of the Yen).
Well, Scion is selling about 800 a month year to date.
2612 / 800 = 3.265 – oh about the same level of inventory as the Volt.
The horrors!!!!
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CJinSDAugust 28th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
The iQs represent 44 million dollars in inventory. The Volts put 224 million dollars on the tab, assuming they don't cost GM more than they can be unsold for.
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sunridge placeAugust 28th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
You do realize that car companies get their revenue around the time the vehicle is shipped (and thus invoiced) to the dealership right?
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
So of course you approve of GM booking 1/4 BILLION in revenue with that inventory. In the auto industry when the dealer buys them, or floor finances them, they're sold – remember?
And remember, that's not a GM thing, that an auto industry thing. Toyota counts them at the dealer. BMW counts them at the dealer. Maybachs were counted – at the dealer.
So not only is the iQ, if I use the same logic, a sales dog, with too much capacity and too much inventory, its sucking the money out of Toyota by its very existence providing "only" $44 million in income – give or take.
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wsnAugust 28th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Counting sales to dealerships as sales. Very clever.
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CJinSDAugust 28th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Who loans the money to the dealers to buy the cars? GM?
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sunridge placeAugust 28th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Ally provides the overwhelming majority of floorplan financing for GM dealerships. Ally is not GM money.
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CJinSDAugust 28th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
No. It is US treasury money, an additional 16.3 billion dollars down the drain to clean up the mess made by GM.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
This is a widely known industry practice. From Audi to VW they all do it.
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APaGttHAugust 28th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@CJinSD what does that have to do with the price of rice in China.
The discussion is Volt inventory, not who is paying for it.
You can keep tossing up strawmen arguments all day long but like it or not, the Volt is the best selling plug-in or plug-in combo on the market, it is by all reports a solid offering, and based on the inventory numbers the naysayers provided, inventory isn't a big scary issue.
The rest you're kicking up – is just noise – and the whole "government owns GM" argument – it's kind of old and worn out.
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CJinSDAugust 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Resentment of GM is half who is paying for it, half the garbage they've used to shaft their customers with. Ally being owned by the US Treasury is absolutely a giant, economy-sized issue when GM is still run by channel stuffing charlatans. Do you understand that? This is no joke. This is a bunch of crooks moving around our public liability that is GM to hide the harm being done until after the election.
Some reports note that the Volt is a cramped prank with an exaggerated range, but you choose to ignore them or impeach people who aren't in on the scam that is GM.
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August 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Or just use Autmotive News Data Center to get the inventory numbers
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doloreanAugust 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
APaGttH, you've made my day.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
CJ- you have been reading to many comic books.
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oboyleprAugust 28th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Okay so now that the B&B have had their pissing contest between the (RE)volting GM apologists and the 'GM is dead' crowd (that's me:-)), answer me this: Is the Chevrolet Volt a success by any measure? forget technically because we already know it is but what about minor things like return on investment, contribution to GM's profits, overall sales, public acceptance etc. Or is it another sink hole for copius amounts of cash, you know, like the Soltice/Sky, Chevy SSR debacles?
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sunridge placeAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
I'm not really in a pissing contest…I tend to post facts.
To your question, it depends how you want to look at it. I don't really think the Volt is out there for immediate ROI/profit. I do know that the owners of the Volt tend to be a happy bunch.
It is tracking about where the Prius was as far as US sales and even global sales at this point although not being in the Japanese market will probably hurt it at keeping pace. Success in China could change that but they will have to build it in China to sell it successfully in China.
The only successful hybrid ever was a vehicle designed to be such a vehicle from the ground up–Prius…just like the Volt in that its not just a variant of another vehicle. That doesn't necessarily mean the Volt will be a success.
If you look at the chart in the link and compare, the Volt will probably be around 18k-19k units in the US this year…right around where the Prius was. You will also notice that the Prius really took off when Gen 2 came out in 03/04. Gen 2 also had increased production #'s and was well-timed for the doubling of gas prices between 05 and 08.
Once the Prius got that momentum, it was all over.
So, a short-term view of the Volt profitability is probably short-sighted. Can Gen 2 of the Volt get better and cheaper? That will probably tell the story.
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:33 am
The SSR was profitable. Maximum anticipated production was about 13,000 units annually, and with the number of Chevy stores at the time, that was about enough to have one on the showroom floor, a demo for test drives, and a new unit available for sale for each of the dealers.
Besides, the purpose of the SSR was to bring people into the showrooms. According to a market survey done for ASC, a major vendor for the SSR, GM sold about 70,000 full size trucks and SUVs a year to people who came in to look at the SSR. There's a lot of profit in 70K trucks.
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sunridge placeAugust 29th, 2012 at 1:43 am
'The SSR was profitable'
'According to a market survey done for ASC, a major vendor for the SSR, GM sold about 70,000 full size trucks and SUVs a year to people who came in to look at the SSR.'
Either you have a bad memory or this was the type of math that led old GM into bankruptcy.
This article references 22,000 sales…not 70,000 sales. And, the source of the survey is a bit suspect. Kind of like reading a study from RJ Reynolds about the health risks of smoking.
300 day supply? I know niche vehicles can give strange #'s…but the SSR wasn't a success. It didn't bring GM down, but its hard to argue it was profitable.
It also never got above 10k in annual sales despite the 13k possibility…far below where the Volt is now.
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ajlaAugust 29th, 2012 at 2:35 am
The SSR was just one of many Lutz-inspired niche misadventures for GM.
In 2001 GM announced the end of the F-body claiming the market for performance cars was too small to justify updating the car. So down the drain goes decades of history and fandom.
Then, only a few months after the last F-body is built, GM sends out some crazy retro convertible halo truck that proceeds to sell far below expectations and is only defendable today by a survey conducted by the company that helped build the car for GM.
Then, we are sent a Miata compeitior ON A WHOLE NEW PLATFORM that sells way below expectations.
At the same time, we get a Monaro wearing a GTO badge that sells below expectations. Even when you combine the annual sales of the SSR, Kappas, and GTO you get far less than what the F-body managed in its final years.
Finally, GM decides that maybe they had something good going, and brings back the Camaro.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 8:06 am
@ajla- Actually, SSR was Wagoner's baby. He drove a concept and decided it ought to go into production. He something along the lines of "I am no product guy, but this thing has to be built!" He was right on the first point, anyway. The vehicle looked great, to some eyes, but had neither performance nor load capacity. Not much of a sports car and not much of a truck. Its failure was a foregone conclusion, at least in my mind back in the day.
Wagoner realized he was no product guy and was smart enough to bring Lutz on and empower him to move the product in a much better direction.
As for Solstice/Sky- They outsold their direct competitor, Mazda Miata and were unqualified market successes from the standpoint of segment share.
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doctor oldsAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Volt is certainly the best selling car that can be driven under electric power at any speed, roughly twice the sales rate of the only competitor, Nissan Leaf. A lot of fools around here made up the story that Volt was to "Save" GM. It was never intended to be a profit generator, but a first application of a practical, electrically driven automobile and it is doing very well at that. Dangerous to believe much of anything you read here, except, of course, my posts.
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geozingerAugust 28th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
@Doctor Olds: "Dangerous to believe much of anything you read here, except, of course, my posts."
I had to login just to let you know I laughed out loud at your post…
This whole thread is laughable, but for other reasons.
Flogger, meet dead horse. Dead horse, flogger…
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
@geozinger- I was hoping for a laugh.
@MCS- Coasting while you are out of gas is hardly running in EV mode! Doesn't the Volt have a top speed higher than your Prius can manage with the gas engine? It will run circles around your car from an acceleration perspective, too.
You may want to catch up on your facts. GM made all time record profit last year. I know,I know, it is a new company, but the new company made more than the old one did in the best of times on today's much smaller dollar sales volume. Also, as a point of interest, GM is currently running manufacturing plants in America at 108% of straight time capacity. Don't come here to learn, just to be entertained.
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Doc Olds, according to what I saw in the DetNews this morning, all three domestics are running at 100%+ capacity.
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mikeyAugust 29th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Me to…Geo wins post of the day award. Sorry Doc you will have to settle for second place.
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Pch101August 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
"Sorry Doc you will have to settle for second place."
I do hope that you realize that Dr. Olds blames the blue collar work force and its unions (read: guys like you) for the GM bankruptcy.
He doesn't take any responsibility for the bankruptcy at all, even though he participated in the design of the cars that allowed Toyota and Honda to surpass them. He'd rather point the finger at the people who worked on the assembly line.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@PCH- as usual, you are ignorant of which you write, particularly about what you think my role in GM was.
I have never condemned the blue collar man. I have great respect for the many capable people in the UAW. By and large, they are good people trying to get a good day's pay for a good day's work. I put many UAW folks well above lots of salaried people in their competence, conscientiousness and capability.
I have stated a clear and absolute fact: All three US carmakers were burdened with contractual obligations that couldn't be sustained in the face of global competition and depleted all of them over time such that the financial collapse of 2008 killed two of the three.
I have also stated that the primary reason for the financial success of all three today is the breakthrough UAW contract of 2007, particularly the VEBA and elimination of Jobs Bank which relieved an $8B drain off the bottom line of GM, alone.
Additionally, I never claim GM was perfect, didn't make mistakes, just that they, as the largest manufacturing company in the country, were also caught up in the downward spiral of American manufacturing competitiveness in the face of fierce global competition. Far from perfect, there are many factors in addition to management decisions that brought the industry down. To believe otherwise is to ignore empirical reality and simply assume all the Americans are stupid. I don't buy into that and have a very, very long and broad and deep understanding of the issues and dynamics of the industry.
Does the P stand for Presumptuous?
Typical presumptuous lib, put words in the other's mouth and attack the individual.
Mikey and Geo, Thanks! Second place is a lot better than being called a drooling troll.
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mcsAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
"Volt is certainly the best selling car that can be driven under electric power at any speed"
You might want to change that definition. Just yesterday I ran an unmodified Gen II Prius at over 55 in pure EV mode.
I was wondering why it wasn't accelerating and noticed the fuel economy bars were maxed at 99.9 mpg, and the graphic was showing basically that it was in EV mode. At the top of the display was the answer: "Add Fuel." Anyway, the regen braking on the exit ramp gave us just enough power to crawl into a gas station.
Anyway, as far as bragging rights for sales numbers go, I suppose I could buy Rolex, re-price their watches at $1.99, and probably get to be the number one selling watch in the world overnight. Then go broke very quickly and go with hat in hand to the Swiss government to bail me out. But, then again, I didn't go to GMI/Kettering (other than a couple of parties). I was taught to make a profit on my products.
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BrianLAugust 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
So, you are really going to admit that you ran out of gas…
Anyway, doesn't look like you could drive it at 70 mph in electric mode.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am
I know some knock anyone connected with GM, as a know nothing failure, but I just consider the source. Retiring from the Powertrain Product Engineering staff in 2008, I can assert with absolute surety that GM well knew Volt would not be a profit generator long before the sideline chatterers here knew much of anything about the car, or even initiated the silly GM death watch. Test drive one for yourself. It is a fantastic car and there are almost 2 cars per dealership in inventory, on average, so you might be able to get in one.
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highdesertcatAugust 29th, 2012 at 12:22 am
I don't consider you or anyone else connected with GM "a know nothing failure". I have many friends who made a career out of working for GM and they are not happy with the way things turned out for them, or for GM.
You are smart enough to know that each individual either buys or shuns a GM product for their own reasons, or based on their own ownership experiences of the past.
No one forced buyers to join the mass exodus away from GM and the domestics. They did that all on their own.
Regardless of the merits of the Volt, actual buyers seem to shun them and choose a Prius variant instead.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 8:15 am
@highdesertcat- I agree that folks should buy what they want on the merits of the product. Your "Mass Exodus" phrase is inapt, though. The reality is that strong global competitors entered our market. The existing players had to lose share, simple arithmetic. The more pieces of the pie, the smaller they are.
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highdesertcatAugust 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Olds, I have to agree with you about my use of the "Mass Exodus" phrase being inadequate. It cannot begin to describe what happened over the decades. But I didn't know of a stronger illustration to describe it.
Full disclosure here: my brothers made a lot of money when they started selling the foreign brands next to their domestic brands, so it wasn't equally bad for everyone.
As a driver of solely-domestic vehicles in the US until 2008 when we bought our very first foreign-brand SUV, a Japan-built Toyota Highlander Limited, I never even considered buying anything but domestic until then. Never drove anything else. Didn't know any better.
And again, you're right with "The reality is that strong global competitors entered our market." And I've often questioned why the US government actively recruited foreign companies to set up shop in America which, in spite of creating some jobs for unemployed Americans in states that needed jobs, actually caused more harm to the US auto industry and the UAW.
To me, it would seem that allowing foreign imports would have done much less damage to the US auto makers and the UAW. As in let the buyer decide what flies and what dies.
But all that aside, the crowning glory of the US government has to be the NAFTA trade agreement.
Don't misunderstand me, I've said this before to much criticism, but I would like to see ALL the foreigners pack up their toys and move to Mexico and import under NAFTA.
That would keep a lot more Mexicans home, instead of over here, sucking us dry.
(And before someone accuses me of anything, let me add I have a Mexican-born daughter-in-law who got here illegally at age 3 and is now a naturalized American citizen after marrying my son, years back. She feels even stronger about illegals being here, sucking up the benefits that she is paying taxes for.)
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doctor oldsAugust 29th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Another thing,every manufacturer sells to dealers. That is the correct definition of a factory sale. The dealers are their customers and pay them for the vehicles. A lot of the discussion around this topic conveniently ignores this hard and fast reality.
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sunridge placeAugust 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Yes and No. Some of the so-called B&B have a problem grasping the difference between a reported 'sale' or 'delivery' on the month end sales report and when the OEM books the revenue.
The revenue is booked at 'sale' to the dealership but the monthly sales data in the US is a true delivery to a customer/business.
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GENEALOGY-DNA-L ArchivesArchiver > GENEALOGY-DNA > 2005-03 > 1109963527
From: (John Chandler)
Subject: Re: [DNA] Tinney surname back to 4000 B.C.
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:12:07 -0500 (EST)
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Tom wrote:
> As noted heretofore, "The Tinney Surname study,
> back to 4,000 B.C.", only attempted to online
> some information as found in record sources
I have a hard time seeing how any of this thread so far is relevant to
our group. We are all genealogists, but our focus here is on DNA.
When our discussions slide over into topics of "pure" genealogy,
history, archeology, and so on, this is always started by a DNA issue.
I'm still waiting to hear even the slightest hint that you are posing
any DNA-related issues for the Tinneys. Please get to the point! If
you are wondering what kind of DNA study you could do, given the
genealogical information at your disposal, it would be very helpful to
say so up front, so that we can start thinking about your question,
instead of wondering what you're getting at.
> I further stated, in Open and Closed Genealogy
> and DNA population LIMITATIONS, that:
> Accurate and verifiable genealogical pedigrees
> allow possible consideration of DNA samples
> in a "closed" population evaluation, whereas ...
Sorry, but that's just not true. The whole concept of a "closed
population" is strictly confined to forensics, where the persons
involved can all be subpoenaed (or exhumed) if necessary. You
can take it as a given: all discoveries we make through DNA testing
are always subject to the proviso "assuming our pedigree information
is correct" -- and one of the key points we face is the fact that
DNA discoveries can show that our pedigree information was NOT
correct after all. Obviously, there are varying levels of
confidence: high for the links that we know of personally, but
gradually diminishing as we proceed into the past. One of the
frequent goals of DNA studies is to test the accuracy of the
researched pedigrees.
> I assumed
> there was the same level of maturity on this list, one
> that could also dispassionately evaluate genealogy
As I stated above, we're not here to evaluate genealogy theoretically.
We're here to test genealogy experimentally (and perhaps expand it)
using new tools, namely, DNA studies. If you want advice on how to
test your genealogy using the new tools, you need to indicate what
kind of testing you have in mind. If, instead, you want to discuss
the validity of these tools, you need to get technical because the
tools themselves are entirely technical.
John Chandler
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