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So will I just know where feels comfortable when the time comes? Should I set up every place just in case? Would that mean I needed a couple sets of sheets for each bed (3)?
Jenica- Wife to R & mama to C 8/27/09, my little blonde bombshell and D 7/23/11, whom we love so much we gave him an extra chromosome
I watched a nice UC birth that took place in Germany where mom birthed outside in the garden. Looked great! If I had no neighbors I would set up birth pool on upstairs patio- maybe I will do that though? I have always had babies in my bathroom but that's because I had large tubs. I think that wherever you decide to birth make sure you don't have to far to get to your place of rest for afterwards. A guest room sounds lovely though IMO- a break from routine of sleeping in your own bedroom. Where will you have all the baby's supplies? You could always arrange a few baskets in each room with baby supplies so you have access to them no matter where you end up birthing.
I never liked to birth in a bed - i have to have my feet on the floor...at least my knees! I had one in the LR and one on my bedroom floor. For me a summer birth meant turning on the A/C - and one AC in the bedroom worked well - it also kept my noises to a minimum. I cant imagine birthing outside - i can look out my kitchen window right into my neighbors dining room.... i might even be able to read the mail there.....
but if you have plenty of land - it would be GREAT to deliver outside...if you do - get that on videotape!
oh, tip,- if you deliver on the bed - old sheet, then shower curtain liner, then another old sheet - after the birth, you can strip off the top sheet and liner and be ready for bed! - get some 'chux' pads too - reusable or otherwise - you can use them on top of your sheets - under you....for weeks.
Happy at Home Mama to DD 4/95 DS 4/98 and DS#2 8/10
My last was a UC and this one is a planned midwife assisted homebirth. I learned with the last one not to plan any certain spot to birth. I had planned to labor in my tub but when the time came, I did NOT want to get in there. I labored mostly sitting on the edge of the bed holding onto dh's neck, and ended up pushing on my knees on the floor holding on to a chair in front of me. He caught the baby from behind. So I am not planning any certain area. I definately can't birth outside as there are neighbors on both sides, in front and behind us. I am not worried about it, either. It'll happen where it happens :)
drowning in hormones with 4 daughters and an understanding, loving hubby. also some dogs. my life is crazy and we are always learning.
I just can only picture being outside. BUT, like you guys said- I'm not going to count on anything. End of July is the hottest time here in the PNW but that for us means 80's probably. Maybe 90's if it gets really hot mid-day. Hubby has a pop up shade thing that we take camping so I'm planning to put that up as there is no shade outside.
I am planning to get video and pictures but the birth photographer I want (and the only one near that I've found) is going on vacation basically my whole term time- 37-40+ weeks. so unless I get to about 40+ 5 then my sister will have to suffice... if she can make it here in time. So we'll see. I guess only another 4-9 more weeks and I'll find out!
Jenica- Wife to R & mama to C 8/27/09, my little blonde bombshell and D 7/23/11, whom we love so much we gave him an extra chromosome
I would love to give birth in my back yard but the people that live behind me might take issue with that. LOL
I wanted to give birth in my craft room. I don't know from day one when we moved into this house I thought that would be the perfect place, set up a birth tub and an air mattress. The Kitchen is right there... My Late husband and I agreed no more kids so I knew that wasn't going to happen but I just felt like that would be the perfect place to have a baby.
Well he passed away, a room mate moved in to my craft room and my craft room was moved to the basement. So now that I am expecting my new craft room (in the basement) will be where I give birth. Where in the room I am not sure. I have room for a tub (still haven't gotten that...) I set up an air mattress, because my MW wants a bed near by just in case. She asked what position I want to deliver in and I told her whatever feels right at the time. With my 4th child I was in the hospital sitting on a birth ball when I had this overwhelming urge to stand up. I did she turned/dropped and crowned in one contraction. I would have given anything if they would have moved the birth ball and let me have her right there standing up. So that is what I am kind of hoping for with this birth, that something will happen and I won't want to move I will just want to deliver him the way I am at that time.
I didn't have much choice because I live in an apartment. I had bathroom or bedroom. I ended up in the bedroom on the bed.
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We were in an apartment for my UC. My bedroom was on the same (thin) wall as the neighbor's kitchen. I'm surprised they did not call the cops when I hit transition and was yelling that I was going to die. yeah, my births are not magical peaceful ones ;)
drowning in hormones with 4 daughters and an understanding, loving hubby. also some dogs. my life is crazy and we are always learning.
I am rolling laughing right now. I am in an apartment and have a neighbor above me and one beside me. Luckily, the one beside me is a deaf mute, so she cant call the cops cuz she can't hear me. haha
I put all my birthing supplies in a moses basket- easily movable. Shower curtain in there could've been thrown on the bed in a flash if needed.
For me, dark, quiet and cool were the most important issues. I considered outside (what a cool experience that would be), but then I wondered what I would do if I wanted to crawl or just be on my hands and knees. What if it was really hot and muggy? What if there were mosquitos out?
When it came time (nothing went at all like I had planned!), I crawled to the edge of my bed, leaned against it and stayed on my knees the whole time lol
I think you just need to try and get an idea of what factors are important to you.
I place wrapped or sterile items that would be, possibly, needed right at birth on a flat cookie sheet and literally follow my clients around if she does get up from her bed or from near her bed. My clients birth wherever they want. Out of over 850 clients now, two have set up to give birth outside & changed their mind at the last minute.
Karen Benfield, CNM & owner of BirthTender, a homebirth nurse-midwifery practice near Hickory, NC & covering a 2 hr. radius
I put all my birthing supplies in a moses basket- easily movable. Shower curtain in there could've been thrown on the bed in a flash if needed.
For me, dark, quiet and cool were the most important issues. I considered outside (what a cool experience that would be), but then I wondered what I would do if I wanted to crawl or just be on my hands and knees. What if it was really hot and muggy? What if there were mosquitos out?
When it came time (nothing went at all like I had planned!), I crawled to the edge of my bed, leaned against it and stayed on my knees the whole time lol
I think you just need to try and get an idea of what factors are important to you.
thats the thing, I have no idea. I figure I wont know until I get there. I dont want to be in the jetted tub in the bathroom because I think it'll feel cramped if everyone was in there. I'm only planning to have DH, my sister, midwife and who ever she brings, and 1 friend/colleague there if she can make it.
Good to know about dark quiet and cool since there's only 1 bedroom in this house that fits that bill. I get full western exposure from 1pm til sunset so it gets hot up stairs in the evening. So much to think about!
Jenica- Wife to R & mama to C 8/27/09, my little blonde bombshell and D 7/23/11, whom we love so much we gave him an extra chromosome
with your first birth, how did you birth (it was in a hospital but was it in bed, on a stool, in a tub)? did you like it or would you have preferred something else? this may give you some insight into how you will want to birth this time and thus lead you to where you want to birth in your home. with my first hospital birth, I ended up birthing on a stool and i really loved the solid feeling and control that it gave me during the pushing so I kind of knew that I would definitely want a stool as an option for my homebirth - and that is what I asked for when it came time to push at home.
I think you will know what's right once you go into labor - then you will have an idea of the timing of birth (day/night). I guess in your case I would prepare for two birthing scenarios - one for outdoors and one for indoors. you may not have a lot of time during your labor to get multiple sites prepared. I don't think you need extra sheets for all the beds. you probably want extra sheets for the bed that you are going to sleep in after the birth (in case of leaking) and sheets for maybe one other bed that you might concider for birth or afterbirth. you may not want to birth in a bed at all, and birth on the floor squating, on stool or hands and knees but then you will want a bed to go to soon after the birth - which one will that be for you?
i agree with pp - dark, quiet, cool and I would add private yet roomy (for everyone present). my house is small and very open (with lots of windows) so I didn't have many choices. our bedroom was the only place that was dark, quiet, cool and private enough that neighbors couldn't see in through the windows and it had the added bonus of glass french doors that look out at the western mountains (so it kind of felt like I was outdoors). being close to a bathroom is also a good idea but not necessary.
Catholic wife to S and mama to my two loveys V dd1 10/04 and G dd2 11/10 - #3 due in August 2013. Here we go again.
The decision on where for me is less complicated as outdoors is completely not going to be an option..... January in Minnesota :)
So, I want easy access to music, a bathroom, a place to lay down, and a sense of coziness. It will either be my bedroom or livingroom and I will figure that out once it gets closer. Once the pool gets set up then that will lock it down a bit more for me.
Erika, mama to three beautiful kids (plus one gestating), and wife to one fantastic man.
We set up 3 different areas for me to birth. Had the upstairs bed set up, tub in the bathroom and the futon downstairs set up as well. I wanted every option available because I had no idea where I really wanted to be. Ended up in the tub. I did bounce back and forth from the downstairs futon, exercise ball and back to the tub. My MW and her assistant ended up upstairs on our bed reading. I think having options is key.... unless you know exactly where you want to be.
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I could totally give birth outside here too, well not with this one....December in Ohio....but I totally sunned my nipples in the back yard after my last one :)
Melissa-Mama to Allyson 1-22-07 and Katelyn 5-14-09 and Paul 1-2-12 my 10 lb 6oz. homebirthed baby boy.
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- Village of Arrowmouth
- Wayfarer's Inn
- Warden Outpost
The village of Arrowmouth, on the Broken Arrow River, has a population of just over 500. It has a 90% Human population, made up of the Folk, the oldest race of human beings to initially come to Sylvaeon. The rest of its inhabitants are mostly Wood Elves and Gnomes. The village was re-established only about 50 years ago in the growing effort to reclaim areas that were inhabited during the time of the Great Wars. Fishing, farming and brewing are its main industries.
The Wayfarer's Inn sits at the junction where the tributary river, Drake's Wash joins the Broken Arrow River. It is frequented by the Wardens, trappers/hunters and the few other brave souls that try to make their living in the wilderlands. The place is very clean; the food good. Its ale is imported from Arrowmouth, which takes pride in the quality of the intoxicating beverage. The Old Road, which has fallen into disrepair more and more as it leaves the village, leads along the river to the Inn, but does not continue much beyond it.
The Broken Arrow River is a difficult one to navigate by boat, if not impossible at times. Filled with boulder, rapids and a strong stream, the river is a hazard to the unskilled. The Drake's Wash is more shallow and passable, but few even know what lies upriver.
The fortified Warden Outpost has been only recently been built. It serves as a boot camp for Warden recruits and as a vanguard against the dark forces which are encroaching once more from the wilderness. It seems the reintroduction of the Folk and their allies does not sit well with the foul denizens that have taken over the forest which lays near it. The outpost is used to send patrols out to hold such things at bay and to gather information as to what lies in the forgotten wilds.

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Ten Emerging Trends
Western Dharma
by Lama Surya Das
For a number of years now, I have been observing religious trends and the transplantation of Asian Buddhism into the fertile fields of the Western world. From my particular vantage point, I observe what I call trends in Western Buddhism or American Dharma.
Speaking of the emerging Western Buddhism, there are many colorful, smaller threads woven into the larger tapestry. There seem to be groups variously emphasizing monastic Buddhism, lay Buddhism, ethnic Buddhism, meditation Buddhism, chanting Buddhism, ritualistic Buddhism and bare bones Buddhism; there is mystical Buddhism and practical Buddhism, academic Buddhism, therapeutic Buddhism, intellectual Buddhism, as well as anti-intellectual, no-mind Buddhism.
Some people are attracted to hermitage and retreat Buddhism, congregational Buddhism, socially engaged Buddhism, missionary Buddhism, health and healing oriented Buddhism, upper-middle path Buddhism, Jewish Buddhism, Christian Zen Buddhism, vegetarian Buddhism, pacifist Buddhism, tantric Crazy Wisdom Buddhism, to name a few.
The Vietnamese Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh said, "The forms of Buddhism must change so that the essence of Buddhism remains unchanged. This essence consists of living principles that cannot bear any specific formulation."
In The Awakening of the West: The Encounter of Buddhism and Western Culture, Stephen Batchelor writes, "Buddhism cannot be said to be any of the following: a system of ethics, philosophy, or psychology; a religion, a faith, or a mystical experience; a devotional practice, a discipline of meditation or a psychotherapy. Yet it can involve all these things."
Like him I know there is really no such thing as Buddhism; there are only Buddhists. When I speak of the ten trends on Western Buddhism, I therefore do so with certain reservations, not the least among them that I am primarily emphasizing meditation practice groups. Remember, these are emerging trends and there is still a way to go to fulfill this vision.
Trend #1. Meditation-based and Experientially Oriented
As Westerners, we typically come to Buddhism for meditation and contemplation in an attempt to improve our quality of life. We want to bring more mindfulness to what we do. We are usually attracted to Buddhism not through academia but because we want personal transformation, direct religious experience and compassion into our daily lives. The Dharma is not just something we believe in, but something we do.
Trend #2 Lay-Oriented
Although there is certainly room for traditional monasticism -- both short - and long-term -- Buddhism in the West is obviously much more lay-oriented than it has been historically. Practitioners are now bringing personal issues of relationships, family and work to the Dharma center in an effort to make more sense out of life.
Trend #3. Gender Equal
In an effort to go beyond traditional patriarchal structures and cultures, we have already make great strides in supporting women as well as men in teaching and leadership roles. There are more and more women teachers, and they are providing some of the finest teaching. Gender equality remains an ideal, but one that seems reachable. We all -- male and female -- have an opportunity to refine our more feminine aspects and practice a Buddhism in which we keep the heart and mind balanced, respectful of both body and soul. We are trying to learn from the past so as not to unwittingly repeat the mistakes of others.
Trend #4. Democratic and Egalitarian
Western Buddhism needs to evolve in a much less institutionalized, less hierarchical and more democratic fashion. Almost by definition, personal growth and the purest interests of the individual are going to be stressed more than institutional preservation and growth.
Trend #5. Essentialized, Simplified and Demystified
For the most part, noticeably absent from Western Buddhism are the complex, esoteric rites and arcane rituals designed for initiates only. Western teachers generally stress essence more than form, as well as teachings that are tolerant for daily life. It is thus practical and this world oriented, rather than otherworldly and hermetic, with great emphasis on integrating Dharma practice via mindfulness and compassion into daily life.
Trend #6. Nonsectarian
Most Westerners seem to have a true appreciation for many different meditation techniques and traditions. We have seen how politics, the quest for power, and sectarian bias have created chaos within various religious communities. We understand it is essential that we strive diligently not to fall into those same traps. As practitioners, we are generally interested in broadening and deepening our experience of the various different Buddhist spiritual practices. I think it is safe to say that there is a true appreciation of the benefits of nonsectariansim, ecumenicism and cross-fertilization. In fact, many teachers are already synthesizing the best of the various traditions. American karma is our great melting pot. We have to live with that and make the most of it.
Trend #7. Psychologically Astute
There is a growing appreciation for explaining Buddhist principles within the idiom of transformational psychology. Faith and devotion are important and useful for some, but the larger appeal is to the individual's spiritual development and psychological and emotional well-being. Dharma students are encouraged to bring spirituality into their lives as opposed to using spirituality as a way of avoiding personal issues. We are working on ourselves and there are any number of interdisciplinary tools and methods. Psychotherapy and Buddhism are most often taken as complementary.
Trend #8. Exploratory
In line with our scientific and skeptical upbringing, questioning and inquiry are encouraged. We are striving to be dynamic and forward-looking. I see contemporary Dharma as basically a non-dogmatic Dharma, which is inquiring, skeptical, rational and devoted to testing and finding out for ourselves. Western Dharma is trying to stretch beyond dogma, insularity, isolationism and fundamentalist thinking.
Trend #9. Community Oriented
Through our shared spiritual, ethical, and educational interests, we are strengthened and building our spiritual community as well as our connections to each other. There is a great emphasis on the needs of the Sangha in the sense of the larger community instead of individual priests and leaders. One day, Ananda asked the Buddha, "Is it true that the Sangha, the community of spiritual friends, is half of the holy life?"
Buddha answered, "No, Ananda, the Sangha community is the whole of holy life."
Spiritual friends, spiritual friendships and simple friendliness -- this is the holy life. Here in the West where more and more people are expressing their personal needs for spiritual growth, it is the challenge of the Sangha today to provide spiritual encouragement for generations to come.
Trend #10. Socially and Ecologically Conscious
Gandhi once said, "Those who say the religion has nothing to do with politics do not understand religion." Increasingly as Buddhists we are attempting to extend our sense of social and moral responsibility to include others, particularly those who are suffering from various injustices and deprivations. We are also searching for ways to express our deep concern for the natural world. The contemporary lay Sangha is like an interdisciplinary "Lobby for Wisdom and Compassion."
The Dharma is very suited to a Western way of life. It need not be complicated, mysterious or fancy. Buddha Dharma is ordinary life including everything from meditation to relationship yoga and parenting practice. Among other things, it involves itself with the body-mind connection, which might well include suggestions like eating right, exercising right and having a sense of humor. One of my teachers, the late Dudjom Rinpoche, once said, "The Dharma is not fancy. It's like blue jeans: good for every occasion, every day. It's good for work. It's good for school. You can wear blue jeans to a wedding, to ride horses, anytime."
Nibbida wrote:Ten Emerging Trends in Western Dharma
by Lama Surya Das
For a number of years now, I have been observing religious trends and the transplantation of Asian Buddhism into the fertile fields of the Western world. From my particular vantage point, I observe what I call trends in Western Buddhism or American Dharma...
PeterB wrote:Kim O'Hara wrote:... please don't ask why people 'can't use Pali': Pali (or any other foreign/old language) without translation at some point might as well be Martian.
As we know, Buddhist concepts were translated into Chinese via the nearest equivalent terms in contemporary Chinese thought. We are not any different. (See also the Buddhism/Romanticism thread: Germany around 1900 was no different either.)
... to translate a term like dukkha or tanha requires at least a paragraph in English, [so] it is easier and quicker in the long run to internalise the key concepts of Dhamma ( another word that requires a lengthy para in English to convey its nuances ) in Pali.
PeterB wrote:If the students think they have never experienced Dukkha then they do not understand Dukkha, and will continue to misunderstand Dukkha until they A) adopt in a formal way thiose practices prescribed by the Buddha for the realisation of the nature of Dukkha and B) internalised the meaning of Dukkha. Instead they will substite a series of poor translations...like "suffering"
Buddha Dhamma will never have mass appeal in the west. It will find those ready for it.
PeterB wrote:As an interim, a transitional phase, it is likely to be essential that things are then translated ( probably inadequately ) into a modern european language as a step towards encouraging the internalisation of the Pali.
Hence " dukkha " rendered as "suffering ," as a rough hewed shaping of the concept...the more subtle meaning/s will come later.
If we stay at " sufferering" much will be lost.
Kim wrote:Option 1: 'Dukkha' is translated as 'suffering' by one who teaches in English and the majority of his/her dhamma students never experience 'dukkha'.
Option 2: 'Dukkha' is presented as a new word by the teacher, explained at length when it is introduced (there's your translation), and then used continually within the group. 'Dukkha', from that point onwards, functions as an English word (since it is a word used in conversations and books in English), and in fact it becomes a 'loan word' like 'espresso' and 'cafe' and 'verandah'. One could say that it has thereby been 'translated' (literally 'carried across'), albeit in a different way, into English.
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I couldn't make sweets just for my office, so I made sweets for Eric's office, too. I was super busy in the kitchen, and just finished making the Candy Bar Blondies. I had leftover buttermilk and sour cream that I had to use before it expired and that's how it lead me to this recipe....and from the very fact that Chocolate Cupcakes with Peanut Butter Frosting would make anyone fall in love with you! I think that's enough explanation about why I made these, and they were soooooo good. They are kinda too sweet for my taste, it took me two days to finish one. I ate 1/2 of the cupcake yesterday and the other 1/2 today - I stretched out the wonderful goodness of it, too! Enjoy!
Chocolate Cupcakes & Peanut Butter Icing
Adapted from Barefoot Contessa at Home
1 ½ sticks unsalted butter, room temperature
2/3 cup granulated sugar
2/3 cup light brown sugar, packed
2 large eggs, room temperature
2 teaspoons vanilla extract
1 cup buttermilk, shaken, room temperature
2 tablespoons brewed coffee
1 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
1 cup good cocoa powder
1 ½ teaspoons baking soda
½ teaspoon kosher salt
1 cup chopped salted peanuts (optional)
Kathleen's Peanut Butter Icing (see below)
1. Preheat the oven to 350° and line the cupcake pans with the liners.
2. Cream the butter and two sugars on high speed in the KA mixer with the paddle attachment. Cream until it's light and fluffy - about 5 minutes. Lower the speed to medium, add the eggs one at a time, add the vanilla and mix well.
3. In a medium bowl, add the buttermilk, sour cream and coffee and mix well. In a large bowl, sift together the flour, cocoa powder, baking soda, and salt.
4. Turn the KA mixer on low, add the buttermilk mixture and flour mixture alternatively in thirds into the bowl, using the buttermilk mixture first and then the flour mixture. Mix until blended. Add the salted peanuts and fold the batter in to make sure it's completely blended in.
5. Add an ice cream scoop or 1/3 cup of batter into the cupcake pans. Bake in the oven for 20 to 25 minutes, or until a toothpick comes out clean. Cool for 10 minutes , remove from the pans, and allow to cool completely before frosting.
6. Frost each cupcake with peanut butter icing.
Kathleen's Peanut Butter Icing
1 cup confectioners' sugar
1 cup creamy peanut butter
5 tablespoons unsalted butter, room temperature
3/4 teaspoon vanilla extract
1/4 teaspoon kosher salt
1/3 heavy cream
--Place all the ingredients except the heavy cream into the KA mixer and mix on medium-low speed until creamy, make sure to get the sides of the bowl with a rubber spatula. Slowly add the cream and beat on high speed until the frosting is light and smooth.


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Stylish mama Hilary Duff took a trip to Fred Segal in Santa Monica, California yesterday with her sweet son Luca Cruz in tow (August 23).
The 24-year-old actress and author cuddled her 5-month-old boy, who looked adorable as ever in his red summer romper, as they made their way into the store to do a bit of shopping.
It sounds like Hilary had some fun on her spree: "Ooo which one do I choose? Both? No! Well…Ok! Guess u talked me into it!" she Tweeted, posting a pic of two different high-heeled shoes while out.
The busy mom was later spotted solo, this time en route to a boxing class in Hollywood.


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Hey, Pittsburgh Batman fans, got those cameras ready? Christopher Nolan and the "Dark Knight Rises" boys (and girls) will be invading your town this Summer for four to six weeks to shoot the third (and probably last) installment of Nolan's rebooted "Batman" before Warner Bros., uh, reboots it again.
Says Nolan in a statement about the home of the Terrible Towels:
Pittsburgh is a beautiful city. We have been able to find everything we were looking for here, and I am excited to spend the summer in Pittsburgh with our final installment of Batman.
Other shooting locales for the big-budget Warner Bros. film includes Chicago, which has doubled for Gotham City before, as well as Romania and England. Romania? Sounds exactly like where a certain League of Shadows would be based, probably.
Christian Bale returns as the Caped Crusader, along with Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon, Michael Caine as Alfred, and Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox. New faces include Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle aka Catwoman, Tom Hardy as Bane, and Joseph-Gordon Levitt in an as-yet-unconfirmed role, along with their "Inception" co-star Marion Cotillard, who is rumored to be playing Talia, the daughter of Liam Neeson's character from "Batman Begins", thus bringing Nolan's Batman-verse full circle.


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Compensation board staff suffer after hostage episode
In this raw footage shows Patrick Clayton in the act of holding workers hostage.
The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:53AM EST
EDMONTON - Some of the nine people held hostage two years ago by a gunman at a Workers' Compensation Board office building say they have been anxious, depressed and fearful ever since.
"I'm still nervous to go to work," wellness assistant Kyla McDonald wrote in her victim impact statement submitted in an Edmonton court Wednesday.
"I want Patrick Clayton to know ... no one will forget him, but it's not because of why he wanted to be heard."
Clayton had an ongoing beef with the WCB over an injury claim when he walked into the building on Oct. 21, 2009, armed with a rifle. He fired a shot at a fleeing security guard and herded people into an eighth-floor conference room.
He slowly released his captives one by one and surrendered peacefully to police 10 hours later.
The 40-year-old has pleaded guilty to hostage-taking, pointing a firearm and possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose.
Clayton wiped tears from his eyes as several letters were read aloud at his sentencing hearing. He was expected to testify Thursday.
Security guard Nadir Gova wrote about how he still hears the gun blast that went over his head that frightful day. He said the sound wakes him up at night, and he has had to seek counselling and stop watch crime shows on TV.
"At work, I am always on edge when clients walk in through the front doors, carrying a case or bag or bulky jacket."
Andrew Hoffman wrote that he had to take a month off his job as a maintenance worker in the building. When he first saw Clayton with the rifle, he thought it was a joke and smiled, so Clayton jabbed him in the chest with the muzzle.
Hoffman said he doesn't live in daily fear like some of his co-workers. The WCB implemented new security desks and an emergency lockdown system at the building after the hostage-taking. It has also added a bulletproof doorway to the lobby of its health centre.
But he does worry that Clayton can't be controlled.
"If the accused is released, it seems likely that he will carry out another insane plan," he wrote. "Will he find another group of people to blame for his problems, threaten more lives?"
Crown prosecutor Lisa Tchir said she is seeking a significant prison term. Clayton faces a maximum life sentence for hostage-taking and a maximum 14 years each on the two weapons charges.


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The St. Regis Deer Valley in Park City will hold a Bloody Mary cocktail clinic Sunday, Jan. 22 at 11 a.m. at The St. Regis Bar. This Sundance Film Festival event is open to the public and costs $16 per person.Hosting the event is Ilfu Hadera, the long-legged Ethiopian/Swedish actress who stars in Spike Lee's upcoming HBO series "Da Brick" based on the life of Mike Tyson. In addition to Ilfu, several cast members are expected to attend. (We heard Spike might be there, but there's no guarantee.)
The Bloody Mary is believed to have originated at The St. Regis New York in 1921 and the 7542 Bloody Mary is The St. Regis Deer Valley's take on the drink. It is named for the altitude of the resort - 7,542 feet high.
All attendees will learn how to make the spicy concoction which is topped with wasabi-celery espuma and enhanced by black lava sea salt.


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Marlin model 80DL sight help needed
Hi fellas. I've got this Marlin 80DL and it has the peep sights. Everything works well but I'm not a huge fan of the peep. It has a short "male" dovetail on the barrel for what I assume would be an open sight on the regular model 80. I was thinking of mounting a folder or red dot but I don't understand these side mounts or this funny dovetail on the barrel. Could you guys give me some ideas for a better sight and any options I might have? I would prefer something a little faster and easier to see in low light. There isn't much info around on this gun. Thanks much.
Okay, I think I've figured the dovetail out. Even though it looks like it's part of the barrel, I think it's just a slug to keep the dovetail clean. Boy am I stupid! Anyway, that should allow me to at least mount a good folding leaf sight for now. I see that they come in different heights, does anyone care to take a guess at the height I should be using? Is there a method or equation I can use to determine the correct height?
Maybe I should just try the peep sight for awhile and see what that has to offer. I got looking at it tonight and maybe it doesn't take that long to sight. I guess it boils down to not being familiar with the peep and not knowing exactly how to use it.
Well this has been a hell of an introduction hasn't it? Here's the short version. 32, dad to be, rediscovering the outdoors once more. Michigan, neither north nor south nor east nor west. First great Michigan winter in my adult life. First real trip to the U.P. last weekend. First "old" gun worth having. I was 18 when I bought my last gun, a stainless/maple 10/22 and a few pre-Clinton-ban banana clips with a 4x fixed Simmons. I was 24 when I sold it for $125 with the then post-ban clips. I've been waiting my whole life to have the extra income to buy anything and I'd like to have two rifles and one scatter gun with a slug barrel. I have the first rifle.
I will post pics of my Marlin in this thread and hopefully someone can help me use this peep sight. I've been cruising the forum for a few days now and I like it. Thanks for the bandwidth!
is the dove tail on the barrel or futher back toward the reciever? if its back futher toward the reciever it sound like a regular rail for the 22 scope rings to clamp on to
The dovetail is on the barrel like a normal dovetail but it has a block in there probably from the factory and I didn't realize it was a block. I'll take some pics tomorrow of the gun and sights. I noticed that the receiver has four grubs down the side opposite the bolt. I wonder if there's a mount I can get for those and if they're factory taps or gunsmith. They looks good however they got there.
marlin model 80
I have a Marlin model 80 that I bought in 1962 or '63, as a kid. It came with peep sights, which fell off and I lost. I hunted for quite a while with no sights (and, got to be pretty a good shot shooting instinctively.) I added a scope later, though. I would like to put the peep sights back on my gun (yes, I still have it.) Maybe kiddcrock would like to sell me his peep sights or trade my scope for them?
Kiddcrock - you say you want a sight to replace the peep because you want a better low light sight and faster target acquisition? You can't get any faster target acquisition than with a peep sight! The reason being that the eye naturally is drawn to the center of a round aperture - no concentration necessary like with standard sights. They may not be as good in low light as an open semi-buckhorn type sight, but why are you concerned about low-light with a .22?
Marlin 80 DL Rear Sight
I realize it has been a long time since kiddrock was on line about the sight on the Marlin 80 DL. I too have a Marlin 80DL which I have had since I was in Grade School ( I am now 69 yoa ). Over the years my rear sight was removed for modification and before the modifications were made the rear sight became lost during a move. If kiddrock still has the rear sight and doesn't need or use the sight, I would be interested in buying the rear sight.
Please reply. Any others seeing this post and have the rear sight for sale, please reply also.
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Happy Birthday Salica!
Today is my good friend Salica's birthday! So when I got home, I asked Elisabeth and Sango to help me do a quick B-day post for their Mommy. Of course the girls were super happy to tell their Mommy hello and wish her a good day. =3
Salica and I go way back here on FFM. She has a wonderful family of Dollfies and she is the MASTER with crafting intricate and detailed spaces for her girls. When it comes to making lifelike rooms and setups for DD's, Salica is tops!
She is also a very nice person and has helped me often with getting cool things for my girls. She also allowed me to adopt two of her beautiful daughters from her a while ago. And these two DD's are two of my faves because of the connection we share.
So please help me wish a Happy Birthday to my wonderful friend Salica!
S - "Hello Mommy. I hope you have a wondeful day today! Happy Birthday!"
E - "Hi Mommy! Happy Birthday! I hope you get lots of cake and ice cream today! Sango and I love you very much!"
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A VILLAGE in the Yorkshire Dales that is regularly hit by flooding has been given cash to help resolve the problem.
For several months the residents of Thoralby, south of Aysgarth in the Upper Dales, have been working on a flood prevention scheme.
It will involve the levelling out and compacting of a stone track which will then be capped with concrete. Along with work to divert water into the main drain, the work should prevent flooding on the village street.
The £20,000 project has now received £10,000 from Richmondshire District Council's Community Opportunities Fund, with the other £10,000 coming from Aysgarth and District Parish Council in match-funding.
Local district councillor Matthew Wilkes - who helped guide the COF application to success - said: "Thoralby has been blighted by flooding along Main Street and at the village hall for many years. As a past chairman of the hall committee I know what a vital part it plays not only in Thoralby but in the other Dales communities nearby.
"It was a pleasure to give this project my fullest support."
District council leader Coun John Blackie added: "The COF was established to help beacon projects like this excellent example in Thoralby.
"I thank Aysgarth and District Parish Council for dipping heavily into its reserves - but without the aid of the COF grant the scheme could not have been as comprehensive as it now will be."


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While innocently surveying the Cosmos, astronomers serendipitously stumbled across a particularly uncouth galaxy. NGC 660 unleashed an epic belch, an event that we could see 44 million light-years distant.
This event emanated from the galaxy's core, around the likely location of a supermassive black hole.
To determine that the event was in fact triggered by NGC 660′s central supermassive black hole and not a supernova, astronomers used the High Sensitivity Array (HSA) - a global network of radio telescopes including the Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA), the Arecibo Telescope, the National Science Foundation's 100-meter Green Bank Telescope, and the 100-meter Effelsberg Radio Telescope in Germany. They found five bright spots of radio emissions near the galaxy's core and not an expanding ring of material that would be synonymous with an exploding star.
"The discovery was entirely serendipitous. Our observations were spread over a few years, and when we looked at them, we found that one galaxy had changed over that time from being placid and quiescent to undergone a hugely energetic outburst at the end," Robert Minchin, of Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, said in a statement.
"High-resolution imaging is the key to understanding what's going on," added Emmanuel Momjian, of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO). "We needed to know if the outburst came from a supernova in this galaxy or from the galaxy's core. We could only do that by harnessing the high-resolution imaging power we get by joining widely-separated radio telescopes together."
The HSA employs the help of many radio antennae across the globe, all working in concert - as an interferometer - to gain incredibly high-resolution imagery deep inside the core of the galaxy. For example, in the above image, the radio insert represents just a single pixel of the optical image of NGC 660.
So why did the supermassive black hole in the galaxy's core belch? As we've learned from observations of the black hole behemoth in the center of the Milky Way, black holes consume anything that strays too close. Any dust, gas, planets, aliens or stars that fall into the black hole's gravitational well will be ripped apart and pulled into a violent accretion disk surrounding the black hole's event horizon.
Through processes that aren't fully understood, some of this matter is accelerated and ejected from the black hole's poles at relativistic speeds, generating superheated streams of gas. In the case of NGC 660, its black hole is likely feeding, erupting huge streams of radio-emitting gas, but the pattern of ejected gas isn't a simple case of two hot spots blasting from two poles; there appears to be five hot spots.
"The most likely explanation is that there are jets coming from the core, but they are precessing, or wobbling, and the hot spots we see are where the jets slammed into material near the galaxy's nucleus," said Chris Salter, of Areceibo Observatory. "To confirm this, we will continue to observe the galaxy with the HSA over the next few years."
Source: NRAO Image: High Sensitivity Array (HSA) image of bright "hotspots" (inset), in galaxy NGC 660. Entire HSA image is less than a pixel in the larger optical image. Credit: Minchin et al., NRAO/AUI/NSF (HSA); Travis Rector, Gemini Observatory, AURA (optical).


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Scoring all three goals in the last 11 minutes, Elk River-Zimmerman stayed alive in the state girls hockey tournament with a 3-0 win over North Wright County on Friday.
It was 0-0 until senior forward Danielle Esperum scored on a power play 6:07 into the third period, in a scramble at the net, assisted by Jonna Curtis, at Ridder Arena on the U of M campus. There was discussion by officials whether Esperum had high-sticked and possibly hit the goalie's glove but they decided against it.
The score stayed 1-0 until just 1:08 remained when eighth-grader Jordan McLaughlin punctured the net, again assisted by Curtis. That was an unusual goal as NWC net-minder Amanda Koep left her post and McLaughlin lobbed the puck over her and into the net.
Curtis, junior forward, then got her 48th goal of the season and first of the state tournament, an empty-netter with 18 seconds left.
It was an evenly-played game otherwise, the Elks launching 29 shots and NWC 27.
Samantha Geissler was in goal for the Elks. Geissler, a senior who was a starter since eighth grade before junior Tori Herrmann took over late in the regular season, posted 27 saves for the shutout.
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Husband Needs Help - My Wife Wants To Learn Cake Decorating
Decorating By jmooney Updated 20 Mar 2009 , 9:49pm by superstar
Hi all,
My wife's birthday is coming up soon and she has on several occasions now expressed an interest in learning cake decorating so I'd like to get her a book and/or video plus some basic tools and pan(s) to help her get started. I was hoping some of the fine folks here could help me out with recommendations and a shopping list of tools and such she'd need to get going.
I imagine that the majority of what she would make would be cakes for holidays, our daughter's (3 years old) birthdays and school functions, and family birthdays. I don't see her doing wedding cakes or multi-tier creations or anything like that.
I really appreciate any help you could give.
Take care,
EDITED TO ADD: Tips on where to go would help too, I have access to the big 3 craft chains (AC Moore, Michael's, JoAnn's) in my area. I don't know of any specialty shops but I am just outside Philadelphia if that helps.
Buy her a class at the local cake store. The wilton basic class is a wonderful place to start. And of course watch the baby for her while she goes. I'm sure you will reap the rewards for such a wonderful gift.
I agree with peg. I would get her lessons at the Michael's. Sometimes they offer half off, so you can get 4 classes for only $12.50 plus the Class 1 kit. Then she would probably want to take class 2 as well. I think Class 3 is for stacking & fondant.
The few hours a week out of the house would probably be so very much appreciated and she can learn quite a bit better going to a class instead of watching the videos. Not that the videos aren't good but they can be pretty pricey too.
Awesome gift idea, btw. I'm sure your wife will love it!
You said you have a Micheals near you, they offer Wilton classes - go by and ask when they will be offering again, and trust me - your wife will love you for it
They have a complete starter kit at Michaels. It has all the basic tools needed, plus a starter booklet all complete in a great case. She will love it and then as a bonus, get her a class at Michaels, too! I loved playing with my kit.
Good luck, I am sure she will appreciate anything you do!
thats so thoughtful of you to do this for her i agree with peg818 do the basic wilton classes at michaels....Or if you don't want to do that just buy her some wilton books that is how i learned form just reading their books i have never taken any classes only because they do not have them where i live....defantley buy her some cake pans can't bake cakes without cake pans, you can buy iceing tips in sets, i would buy some iceing spatulas.hope this helps good luck and i am sure what ever you decide to to she will love it because i can tell you put alot of thought into this.
Go to YouTube, they have TONS of videos on cake decorating. We have alot of decorators on this site (tonedna, aine, seriouscakes, just to name a few!) that have tutorials on YouTube.
This should get her started:
(By the way, I LOVE your avatar!)
1st of all - kudo's to you for wanting to help her. The earlier post about babysitting while she takes classes is a great idea, but should also include handling things while she learns to decorate cakes.
2nd - the first videos I would suggest are the ones from the sugarshack, here is the link: http://www.sugaredproductions.com/. All her videos are wonderful and your wife will really benefit from them. I have all the instructional videos and there is a wealth of info in them.
3rd - don't let her buy any pans from local stores unless you make sure the sides are completely straight. I made the mistake of buying as many of the standard sizes as possible when I first started baking. I realized that if the cake pans you buy will stack inside one another (like 2 8" rounds) then the sides of her cakes will slope just enough to cause her to have problems getting the cake sides straight. I personally gave all of mine to my DIL and order Fat Daddio pans. Many of the cake decorating web sites carry them.
4th - sign up at Michaels, AC Moore, Joann's for email. They will send you coupons by email and when you are setting up a baking kitchen, you can spend a ton of money. At least with the coupons you can save some money. There are lots of supplies and tools that can be purchased that will make her life easier. If you watch for the 50% off coupons you can get things like the tool caddy's for 1/2 price, which is quite a savings. That's how I built up my kitchen. The big blue tool caddy is worth every penny when you get it at 1/2 price. Check out the Wilton website and research the items you want and then check your local stores. Also don't forget about Ebay. You can get some good deals there as well. I've also been told that you can get some items from Amazon.com.
Your wife is very lucky that you understand her desire to learn cake decorating and you will definitely reap the benefits from all the cakes she will be making.
Good luck and happy caking!
Edited to add: I almost forgot - some really good books are out there to learn from and for ideas. I purchased almost of Collette Peters cakes and I have one by Toba Garrett. I also have several of the instruction books purchased from Nicholas Lodge's website: http://www.nicholaslodge.com/. There is also the ICES website.
AWWWW!!!! You are a complete sweetie pie! Will you marry ME???? Seriously, though, I just wanted to say what a prize you are for doing this for her! Lucky Lady!
I never took Wilton classes but I'm sure they are great.
SugarShack's videos are raved about - sugaredproductions.com
the best cake pans are magic line, hands down. You can get the best deals and shipping from Amazon.com . Magic line are more expensive than wilton. (Don't even bother with Fat Daddio's, IMO) Wilton is just fine for round cakes, but anything with corners you deffinantly want Magic Line
get her:
a pack of disposable decorating bags
the basic tip set from craft store
the "Starter" set of icing color gels
cake boards - at least 2'' larger than the cake pan sizes
One straight spatula and one angled spatula
choose a good cook book that has cake and filling recipes
Thats about everything she should need for a lot of buttercream cakes.
And yet, no one has said to send her to this site whenever she has questions....
I'm taking the second Wilton class at the local Joann store. I'm loving it! They make it very easy to learn basics and turn out very impressive cakes for the time and money spent.
Your local library should have some books that you/she can browse through and decide if you want to borrow or perhaps buy them.
Not only will she have fun, but you'll enjoy the practice projects!
more applause for a great husband
I recommend starting with a wilton class at michaels. much easier to understand when someone is showing you plus the camaraderie of a class can't be beat. She'll get some basic tools at a low price and can then decide if she does like it after all.
I wholeheartedly agree with other suggestions to go to you tube for a few "extras"
Sugarshack dvd especially the buttercream one can't be beat.
Finally, don't forget to send her to cake central. Make sure she introduces herself as the lady with the wonderful husband. we'll welcome her with open arms and answer her many questions.
this place is the best
Although I have never had lessons, I would say start with a Wiltons course at Michaels & then....just point her in this direction. CC is the best school in the whole world.
1) The Cake Bible by Rose Levy Beranbaum- Amazon
2) 2 8x2" Magic Line round cake pans (These are top of the line and only a dollar or two more expensive than grocery store or Wilton junk-and yes, it does make a difference; the 8" is standard for a two layer cake.)- Amazon
3) A Wiltons's 1 course and a gift certificate to Michael's (They will tell her what she needs to buy in the course) - or if a local cake decorating supply store has a beginners course that would be good also.
Also know that if your wife decides she enjoys cake decorating- you will have to buy a her a Kitchen Aid Stand mixer. Expensive, but it is a one time purchase, and you get to eat the products she makes.
I am very impressed that you are on here asking for advice.
I agree with everyone that said to get her the Wilton Class at Michaels. It's a great starting point. From what you've described your wife will be doing, they are perfect. Just be prepared for the flood gates to open. After a really crappy birthday two years ago, I just announced to my family that I was taking the Course 1 class. Then I just kept going through Course 3. Then I found this website...I've actually moved various kitchen appliances to our basement or sold them to make room in my cabinets. And I've started selling some cakes so I have money to buy more cake supplies. We're getting ready to move, so I'm cleaning out everything and I cannot find one single cake item I don't want/need. Just be prepared.
I'm in the Philly Burbs too, and I suggest the classes offered at Fante's. It's down in the Italian Market. Little bit of a hike but well worth it. Also, they have EVERYTHING one would need for baking, decorating etc. Also while your in the class you get 10% off the entire store.
PS- you rock for being such a sweet husband!
Thanks for all the great info ladies!
I'll be heading to Michael's to see what they have going on. I'll probably buy her the Wilton's kit and give her a gift card to cover the cost of the classes so she can pick when she goes.
One more quick question:
I found this set of pans on Amazon:
Is this worthwile or should I look for another brand?
Thanks again for all your help and for being so welcoming to a bumbling hubby.
I'm in the Philly Burbs too, and I suggest the classes offered at Fante's. It's down in the Italian Market. Little bit of a hike but well worth it. Also, they have EVERYTHING one would need for baking, decorating etc. Also while your in the class you get 10% off the entire store.
PS- you rock for being such a sweet husband!
You guys are making me blush
I'll check out Fante's probably for "graduate school" after getting her started at Michael's. I'm not sure how far she'll want to go (hopefully pretty far because I love cake) but I'm sure she'd fit in well down there. She grew up in the 'burbs but her parent's are both from South Philly so she 100% Italian and even thought they moved to AC her dad still comes up to 9th street a few times a year to shop.
Definitely Course 1 of the Wilton classes (then course 2, course 3...!! ) Also a definite is purchasing sugarshack's 'Buttercream' DVD...the link was given here in an earlier post.
Those two steps will give her a list of the items she needs most right now.
And I laughed at your comment....'she won't be doing wedding cakes, etc...' because just wait 6 months!!! It gets in your blood! And I mean that in the best way possible!!!!!!
You're an awesome husband. Promise that she'll post her very first completed cake here on CC!
Best wishes to all of you~
Ok gang here's what I've ordered based on your recommendations and what I've seen around CC:
From countrykitchensa.com:
Magic Line Round Cake Pan-8 x 2" (2)
Round Cake Cardboards 10"
Icing Spatula-8" Straight
Icing Spatula-8" Angled
Book-The Cake Bible (Beranbaum)
The Fat Daddio's Low Profile Cake Decorating Turntable, 12 Inch x 2 Inch from Amazon.
I'm going to go to Michael's and get her:
Wilton Course 1
Disposable bags
Set of tips
Gift card for the class
Anything big I'm missing?
Of course I'm going to tell her (after her birthday) to come and sign up here! I promise that even if she forgets I'll post a picture of her first cake with all her new gear.
Hopefully, I'll be able to steal a Michael's coupon away too. She's big into scrapbooking and rubber stamping so she usually pockets the weekly 50% coupons to go and buy supplies.
I really can't thank you all enough for your help with this, you have a wonderful community here!
I don't know if you have a Hobby Lobby by you, but everything you were going to get at Michael's, you can get there ... and they have a 40% off coupon for all Wilton products this week, no limit! Just go to their website and print the coupon there. Good luck, I'm sure she'll love everything!
Okay, you missed MY Birthday! LOL!
Sounds like you did your research and have great products for her! I'm sure she will be absolutely thrilled, and congrats to you for trying so hard to get her exactly what she wants!!
Great job! She will LOVE the gifts, and your thoughtfulness! And I got such a kick out of you saying that you hope she goes far because you like cake!
Start saving now for the KitchenAid stand mixer you'll have to get her for Christmas! It has made the biggest difference in the ease of cake decorating so far for me!
Great job! She will LOVE the gifts, and your thoughtfulness! And I got such a kick out of you saying that you hope she goes far because you like cake!
Start saving now for the KitchenAid stand mixer you'll have to get her for Christmas! It has made the biggest difference in the ease of cake decorating so far for me!
We're in good shape with the KitchenAid, we got one for a wedding gift. We use it a lot too, it's pretty darn handy!
Your wife is such a lucky lady, my hubby would just buy the gift card and tell me to shop. But your actually doing your homework on this stuff. She's going to be sooo happy.
Oh my gosh. Just reading this post brought tears to my eyes. It is obvious how much you esteem your wife. The list of items you got is great. The Wilton classes are a great starting point. Once she is done with the classes, if she still is enthusiastic, you can get her the DVDs from Sugarshack and Nicholas Lodge. My husband has given me many expensive gifts over the years for different holidays: mother's day, valentine's day, anniversary, etc. But the gift I appreciated the most was the Wilton Gumpaste Tool Kit. Just the thought that he was actually paying attention to what I am interested in and went to Michaels all by himself was awesome. He even "stole" one of my coupons and used it to get the gift. I didn't think this was "cheap" at all, but frugal. I like that. After her birthday, you can "accidentally - on purpose" let her read this "chat log" so she can see how you did your homework and how all of us Cake Central members think she is so blessed to have you.
Just the thought that he was actually paying attention to what I am interested in and went to Michaels all by himself was awesome. He even "stole" one of my coupons and used it to get the gift. I didn't think this was "cheap" at all, but frugal.
My hubby did this for me for xmas, he stole one of my 50% off coupons to buy me the Ulitmate tool caddy. The funny thing was, the minute I opened it, I asked did you use a coupon?
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There is realisation that what went wrong in Afghanistan during the last 11 years of the American-led intervention bears a striking resemblance to the blunders by earlier invaders, such as the Soviet Union in the 1980s. The Obama administration may have periodically drawn parallels with the ghosts of Vietnam when deciding on troop withdrawals and acknowledging the lack of preparation and understanding on the part of political and military leaders when it comes to Afghanistan, but the real history lesson comes from the Soviets. Both Gorbachev and Obama had a war legacy that they didn't create or support. The Soviet invasion was condemned by most member states at the United Nations, undermining the Kremlin's position. A negotiated settlement and troop withdrawal, the only way out for the Soviets, has been adopted as a strategy by the Obama team — the counterinsurgency planners included — who acknowledge, despite internal rifts, that it is the only politically, financially and strategically viable route.
Another commonality is the end of the war failing to take into account the aspirations of local stakeholders and their fear of civil war. In the case of both the American and Soviet invasions the reason for war was the need to ensure national security. Both interventions were perceived as brutal and unfriendly in rural districts and as harbingers of socio-economic development and monetary infusions in the less conservative cities. Fought as a 'war of necessity,' there is fear yet again that Afghans will be abandoned, despite pledges to the contrary. The British Defence Select Committee recently published a report saying that civil war is likely when western forces leave Afghanistan.
Little America: The War Within the War for Afghanistan provides bleak insight into what went wrong with the Obama-approved campaign in Afghanistan. A model that was unrealistic and unsympathetic to traditional sensibilities meant "the grand American counterinsurgency plan … for winning over the population by helping the Afghan government deliver basic services" failed to an extent. Author Rajiv Chandrasekaran focuses on the southern province of Helmand in the years after the 2009 surge. Lack of management expertise by aid agencies such as USAID not only resulted in corruption but failed to benefit one of the world's poorest economies. Chandrasekaran narrates the absurdities of the US State Department bureaucracy sent to Kabul to oversee a war being fought in the east and south, excepting a few idealistic and sensible employees. There was Carter Malkasian in Garmsir, Helmand, who taught himself Pashto and stayed more than the one-year tour, travelling in a pick-up and risking being fired because it was the better way to build trust with the locals.
Chandrasekaran used a similar lens in Imperial Life in the EmeraldCity, his prize-winning book on Iraq, which concentrated on Baghdad's Green Zone. He pointed out that the successes achieved in Iraq were not sustainable because of the absurd American-led development planning which was formulated for most of the time in the fortress that was the Green Zone by amateur managers without suitable experience. Although in Afghanistan Chandrasekaran's investigations are based on interviews and first-hand experiences with military and civilian planners, his thesis appears slightly flawed when he refers to the security surge in 2009 as being unable to reverse the insurgency, especially in the south towards the end of 2011.
Little America is the story of political mistakes, the deep rifts within America's bureaucracy and why it failed to facilitate military and civilian officers on the ground, despite millions of dollars allocated for rebuilding. British troops numbering 9,000 had performed poorly in Helmand around 2008 although they had seen additions each year. Obama's troop surge was concentrated on retaking and holding the southern provinces that had fallen to the Taliban with provinces such as Helmand — the centre of poppy production — seeing a rise in insurgency.
Chandrasekaran tells the story of Harry Tunnell, the commander of the Fifth Brigade in Arghandab, a counterinsurgency opponent who had given his team the moniker of 'Destroyer' during training, pushing rogue kill teams to track down militants and locals. He was never reprimanded by senior military commanders, writes Chandrasekaran.
When McChrystal arrived in Afghanistan, the British had relinquished control of certain parts of Helmand to the US Marines (in 2008) to minimise their casualty rates and concentrate their forces around Lashkar Gah. But the Helmand surge essentially took away attention and resources from Kandahar. The youngest of the outside policy advisors, Andrew Exum of the Centre for a New American Security, noted the importance of Kandahar when attempting to curtail the insurgency although few military commanders were receptive to reallocating
either troops or resources for reconstruction projects: "Kandahar — not Helmand — is the single point of failure in Afghanistan," stated Exum, whose Iraq years had given him sufficient experience. The decision to send Marines to Helmand and not Kandahar had been made by General David McKiernan (commander of the US forces in Afghanistan until 2009), and like other decisions at the time, point to growing infighting among American teams, the lack of ground pre-assessments and the lack of interest in reversing many similar poor judgements. Take the example of Marine insistence that the push for Khan Neshin, located near the border with Pakistan, and "a way station for Talibs travelling from Pakistani sanctuaries," would protect communities from the north and pay for development projects that would transform the town. That it was militarily and resource-wise a poor decision because it meant that Marines from a certain battalion required in other key trouble spots such as Garmsir and Nawa would be unavailable, exhausted or injured made little difference.
Chandrasekaran includes notes, observations and interviews from key players, military and civilian, to back up his thesis for American ineptitude, infighting and poor coordination. One wonders whether the gains made to curb the insurgency in certain districts could have been solidified if the local communities were more hands-on. We are told that McChrystal's connections to "official Washington" would help shape Afghan policy in the wake of the surge as he poached Pentagon talent but looked beyond the State Department's stabilisation and reconstruction office when he formed an advisory group of outside experts to travel to Kabul for a month and "help him draft the assessment and then sell the conclusion by writing op-eds, giving speeches and talking it up at cocktail parties." But despite their recommendations, it is disheartening to read that almost nothing was implemented long-term and although Obama did give his generals what they had wanted, the failures in Afghanistan can easily be attributed to the lack of cohesive, accountable policies and the inability of Washington to monitor the war effort. Kael Weston, a State Department official, had said that Obama should have sent fewer troops but kept them in longer. His reasoning was that Afghans would have learnt over time to become self-sustaining and Americans would have been able to pursue more realistic projects rather than fast-track them at the cost of angering local communities. A modest surge, many argued, would not have helped at the time and as the author explains, talking to the Taliban in 2009 could have temporarily controlled the insurgency.
Washington refused to stop the infighting at the top levels of the American administration (see Bob Woodward's Obama's Wars) — Lute wanted Richard Holbrooke fired and the US ambassador in Kabul Karl Eikenberry wasn't pleased with Holbrooke's manner of dealing with Karzai, not that Eikenberry was fond of Karzai. The Pentagon wanted its counterinsurgency programme to work in Afghanistan whereas Obama's Washington team favoured a diluted effort to keep insurgents at bay. At the time, Holbrooke's suggestion to negotiate an end to the war was turned down.
With Nato-led combat troop withdrawals next year, the scenarios raised point to western failure to consolidate government, end corruption and bring a semblance of peace to a country that has witnessed more than three decades of intermittent civil war.
It is premature to conclude an outcome for Afghanistan after 2014 — whether it will descend into chaos, whether the Taliban will figure prominently in any settlement or whether warlords will gain more power — but one thing is clear: the war has proven militarily unwinnable, which is what Holbrooke had brought to the notice of Washington. Today, the main players are pinning their hopes on reconciliation with the Taliban, but without Pakistan's intervention, the hardliners won't come to any sort of negotiated settlement, which means a quick western exit would require the latter's cooperation. A US military official in eastern Afghanistan in 2011 is quoted as explaining: "What we figured out is that people really aren't anti-US or anti-anything; they just want to be left alone. Our presence is what's destabilising this area."
The reviewer is a staffer at the monthly Herald
Little America: The War within the War for Afghanistan
By Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Bloomsbury, London


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Statler's multi-million restoration moves outside
With workers scaling its exterior walls like Spider-Man to see exactly what needs to be done, the Statler City hotel is getting a $5.3 million face-lift that will include a new marquee and storefront.
It'll take at least a year to finish, Statler City developer and owner Mark Croce said Tuesday.
But though the exterior renovation just started, he's already planning what else to add inside. Croce wants to develop commercial and residential space above the Statler's already completed three stories of banquet halls and bars.
"The plan is for this to be a mixed-use building, and it's going to be a combination of commercial and residential units with the street-level storefronts all being commercial and then a number of floors for commercial office space, and then primarily residential above it," he said.
Croce also said he is going to explore how hotel space would "make sense" inside the Statler.
But those plans will be finalized after the exterior renovation, the project's third phase, is complete.
Standing across the street from the Statler at Tuesday's news conference, Mayor Byron W. Brown and Croce announced the start of work to restore the iconic downtown building's marquee, storefront and its terra-cotta.
Croce hired the development firm R&P Oak Hill to help repair the building. Workers began scaling the 18-story building to identify terra-cotta, roof and other exterior issues on the Delaware Avenue side. The Delaware side will be done by the holidays, Croce hopes, before work begins on the other sides of the building.
The $5.3 million for the exterior work comes from a state grant.
The Statler had been in bankruptcy court and faced possible demolition before Croce bought the building on Niagara Square for $700,000 and back taxes in 2011.
"It was very possible that this jewel in our community could have been demolished," Brown said at Tuesday's news conference. The demolition of the Statler, had it occurred, could have cost Buffalo and Erie County taxpayers more than $15 million.
After buying the building, Croce dove into phase one: He invested more than $3 million to renovate the building's first three floors, which include the Terrace Room, Grande Lobby, Lobby Bar, Palm Court Bar and six banquet halls and ballrooms. It had its grand opening on New Year's Eve 2011.
From there, Croce's team began phase two: marketing for weddings and bringing in hundreds of them since late 2011. Croce said sometimes there are four to six weddings per weekend.
Between late 2011 and Tuesday, Croce had been working with the city to bring in money to address the exterior damage from more than a century of neglect, after using his own money to redo the interior of the 850,000-square-foot building.
The state funds were secured last month.
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DANNY Welbeck's double has steered Manchester United to a 3-0 victory at Aston Villa to halt a four-game winless run in the Premier League.
Beaten by Everton and Newcastle United in their previous two league outings, United were at risk of losing three successive games for the first time since 2001, but they were dominant at Villa Park.
A quick-fire brace from Danny Welbeck put United in control after only 18 minutes and they added a further goal through Tom Cleverley to close to within 10 points of leaders Arsenal.
Victory left the champions six points below the Champions League positions in eighth place, but this was a timely win for manager David Moyes after a desperate run of four games without victory.
"It was a good job from us,'' Moyes told Sky Sports.
"The players did well and the only thing I would criticise is that we didn't score more goals. We were a bit sloppy in the first five minutes but after that we played really well.''
Marc Albrighton worked United goalkeeper David de Gea twice in the early stages, but a pair of goals from Welbeck put United in control.
Deputising for the injured Robin van Persie, the England forward broke the deadlock in the 15th minute when he slammed home after Adnan Januzaj had headed against the post from a Rafael da Silva cross.
Villa were unable to contain United's right-sided players and three minutes later the visitors scored another goal from that flank, with Antonio Valencia crossing for the sliding Welbeck to score.
Wayne Rooney, playing in his 500th club game, and Welbeck both went close to extending United's lead before Cleverley added a third in the 52nd minute with a first-time finish from Rooney's pass.
It was the England midfielder's first goal for a year and United were able to celebrate another milestone later in the game when Darren Fletcher came on to make his first appearance after a year out with a chronic bowel condition.
Villa, who have not beaten United at home since 1995, remain 11th in the table.
After leaders Arsenal's 6-3 capitulation at Manchester City on Saturday, Liverpool returned to second place and closed to within two points of the summit by winning at Tottenham Hotspur later on Sunday.
In the day's other game, Swansea City drew 1-1 at Norwich City in a game overshadowed by an injury to visiting goalscorer Nathan Dyer.
He broke the deadlock with a 12th-minute lob, but had to be stretchered off and taken to hospital with a suspected fractured ankle after injuring himself in a duel with Sebastien Bassong.
Gary Hooper earned Norwich a share of the spoils in first-half stoppage time, finding the net from 25 yards with a sumptuous, dipping volley.
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How to answer JLL's application question on showing courage, trust and agility
The JLL graduate application form is a lot simpler than many other firms' forms. You include some basic personal details, attach your CV and answer two questions. The second question, 'JLL believe courage, trust and agility are differentiators in our business. In 2,500 words (approximately 500 words), give us examples of when you have been able to demonstrate these and what you have learned from these experiences' is about showing them you have the qualities they look for a graduate surveyor, consultant or manager.
How to approach the JLL courage, trust and agility question
This question is assessing:
- your personal qualities: do you have the qualities JLL is looking for in its employees?
- your analytical skills: are you able to identify real-life of examples and show how these demonstrate the qualities?
- your ability to reflect on your experiences and better yourself because of them
- your communication skills: can you come up the examples and still stick within the limited word count? There's no room to waffle
This question can be answered one of two ways:
- take each personal quality and come up with an example for each or
- choose a few examples where you demonstrated a combination of the qualities and write about them
If you decide to use separate examples for each, you will have to write succinctly to keep within the word count. If you decide to use a 'combination' example, remember to explicitly state how that example demonstrates courage, trust and agility.
Use the STAR technique for your examples: describe the Situation, the Tasks you had to complete, the Actions you took and the Results of these actions. Be aware that you might need to give some context – a society's name or an award may seem self-explanatory to you, but JLL recruiters may not understand its significance.
Remember that JLL is interested in how you demonstrated those values, not how your team demonstrated them. Even if giving an example of something you did in a team, focus on how you acted courageously, trustworthily and agilely.
What examples of courage is JLL looking for?
Firstly, JLL is looking for you to talk about a time when you acted courageously. Good examples will be of situations where you stepped out of your comfort zone or stood up for something you believed in. Have you ever travelled alone? Have you ever taken part in a bungee jump for charity even though you're scared of heights? Have you ever given a speech to an audience when you were transfixed by nerves? Or stood up for someone when you felt they were being unfairly treated? Any example you use should show why what you did was courageous for you.
What examples of being trusted is JLL looking for?
JLL seeks a time when you proved yourself worthy of trust because it is vital for their employees to give ethical advice to, and be trusted by, clients – in fact, the APC includes a module on ethical behaviour.
For this part of the question you can write about any positions of trust you have held through employment or through any university societies or clubs you have been part of: for example, you may have been trusted to handle cash, open up/lock up, train new members of staff or take on extra responsibility. Other examples could be babysitting or any voluntary work where you were working with vulnerable people. Remember to say how the trust in you was justified.
What examples of being agile is JLL looking for?
Agility, in this sense, means showing that you can think on your feet and adapt to new situations, information or changes of circumstance. This is an important quality for JLL recruiters as they want to know that their employees can think fast and adapt to changing and sometimes difficult circumstances. For example, you may be working on a planning application and then discover that the site has an environmental protection order in place and you will have to adapt accordingly.
There are a number of ways you can demonstrate this, picking examples either from work experience or from your time at university. For example, have you ever had a project go wrong and you had to use quick thinking to fix it? Have you ever worked in a bar and ran out of a certain drink? How did you deal with the situation? Make sure you show in your example that you planned ahead for different situations and that your plans made the situation easier to handle.
How to tell JLL what you learned
The question was reworded this year to include this aspect, so JLL clearly wants evidence of applicants' ability to self-reflect. If you use the aforementioned STAR technique, you should address the 'what did you learn from these experiences' part of the question when you describe your Results. You could think about whether you developed any of the other skills and qualities JLL is looking for (on its TARGETjobs employer hub JLL states that 'relationship building and strong communication skills are integral to our success', for example), but it is also the time to tell recruiters what your courage/trust/agility experience taught you about yourself that could help you in your future career. Perhaps you learned that you are willing to stand up and give your point of view, even if it's contrary to what the majority around you think; or, that you learned it takes you a little while to get used to being in a new place, but that you can adapt and build new relationships when you make special effort.


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Sunderland launch bid for four Spurs stars
Sunderland have bid for four Tottenham players as they look to significantly boost their squad ahead of the new Premier League season.
Midfielders Steed Malbranque and Teemu Tainio plus defenders Pascal Chimbonda and Younes Kaboul are all the subject of a bid by the Black Cats.
Manager Roy Keane had earlier refused to be drawn on the identity of his transfer targets but revealed he wanted to make five or six new signings before the start of the season on August 16.
It followed the news that striker Kenwyne Jones had been ruled out for up to two months with knee ligament damage.
Spurs striker Darren Bent has also been linked with a move away from White Hart Lane - with Sunderland again one of the mooted destinations.
The Black Cats fly out to Portugal today with no new faces among the party despite being linked with a host of targets including the likes of Bent, Andrew Johnson, Louis Saha and Stephen Hunt.
But the manager is remaining calm as chairman Niall Quinn and chief executive Peter Walker attempt to reach agreements which will allow him to sit down with players and sell them his vision for the club.
Keane said: 'There are different hurdles to overcome in certain deals, but we have jumped over one or two over the last few nights and I think we are close to some of the deals.
'I am pretty sure that this time next week, we will have plenty of new faces at the club.
'But it takes time. Niall and Peter are in negotiation with a few clubs at this moment and we are getting very close to them.
'But again, all I want is an opportunity to speak to these players. If they come, they come; if they don't, then you get on with it.'
The transfer market has been slow-moving so far this summer, and although Keane expects things to speed up with clubs now back in training, he does not believe there will be wild spending, and certainly not by him.
He said: 'We have been trying to buy one or two players from one or two big clubs, and certain clubs don't need to sell their players, and maybe a lot of clubs out there don't have the money that everyone thinks they have.
'Everyone thinks I have got £50million - let me tell you, it's certainly not £50million.
'I think it might be full steam ahead in a week or two. But I don't think it will be like maybe the last few summers where it has been a bit crazy.'
Keane also admitted his chances of prising defender Jonny Evans away from Manchester United again are slim.
The 20-year-old Northern Ireland international has been a huge hit at the Stadium of Light during loan spells in each of the last two seasons, and Keane has made no secret of his desire to retain his services.
However, he knows how highly Sir Alex Ferguson rates the youngster, who played for United in their pre-season friendly at Aberdeen last Saturday.
Keane said: 'Jonny is under contract and I certainly don't want to go into conversation about players who are under contract at clubs.
'Other managers do it and that annoys me. If we want to get a player and we want to speak to a player, you have got to do a deal with the club.
'It was the same last year. We all know Jonny is a top player and in an ideal world, you would like to bring him to your club.
'But he is not at a bad club in Man United, is he? And Man United certainly don't need the money.'
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TJ Jackson
2003/09/14 21:26:28
I'm a big fan of Roy Rogers.
Yeah, I know, I know -- we do unique regional food on here, not chains, but -- well, there's really nothing regional per se with a hamburger. They're everywhere :-)
That said, I particularly like having the 'fixin's' bar at Roys. Pile on as much lettuce, tommato, pickles, onion etc as you like onto your own burger.
Any other chains do this?
RE: RR and Fixin's Bar
2003/09/14 21:40:28
I wish there were! In Pine Bluff Arkansas, In the 70's and early 80's, we had a Burger Chef that had a fixin's bar. After making the Burger, I would make a salad out of the fixin's as well! Maybe, I was the one that ruined it for everybody else. LOL "Fudruckers Hampurgers" a high dollar burger place here in California does have a real good Fixin's Bar. However a burger, fries and a soda is near $10.00! You don't want to know what they charge for Cheese! LOL
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RE: RR and Fixin's Bar
2003/09/17 13:41:51
BigGlenn, I would agree with you about Fuddruckers. Used to go often to the location in Omaha on 72nd and Dodge. The fixin's bar was awesome back then. They used to put out a coleslaw that was very good. And you could have as much as you liked. This was 1990-1995. Back then I thought it was somewhat pricey, but I was in college. I recently went to the Littleton location in Denver area and was surprised at how the prices and menu and changed. I mean, you can get up to a 1 pound burger now, but who the hell is going to pay $10-12 for a burger, fries and drink regularly? I would go broke, especially since I love the food. I have to limit myself to a 1-2 times a year. The hot jalapeno cheese is worth the trip alone. I enjoy Red Robin too, but the lure there is the bottomless fries. And its a few bucks cheaper then Fuddrucker's. Fudrucker's has a great concept, but they need to cut prices some.
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2003/09/17 14:28:39
"Any other chains do this?"
Flakey Jakes and Fuddruckers do it.
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2003/09/17 17:08:53
We have a local place in Austin,
Burger Tex
, that has a "fixin's bar". They have 3 or 4 locations around town. Really good burgers.
They are modeled somewhat on the Fuddrucker's concept, with two main differences. First, Burger Tex is not near as fancy, and second, the hamburger Burger Tex offers actually has flavor.
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