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|Pacific Northwest Sea Run Forum No such thing as rainbow trout, only landlocked steelhead
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I put in $0.02, Feiger puts in a dollar. Thanks, Feiger, for laying out your position so eloquently.
I am not opposed at all to commercial harvest of andromous salmonids. Salmon are, and, I hope, will always be an important staple in the diet of our continent's peoples.
Nevertheless, I do take issue with gillnets. I believe the gillnet's indiscriminate slaughter of everything caught in it -- hatchery fish down to the last Snake River sockeye -- is an abomination in light of today's critical need for preserving the threatened and endangered races of Pacific salmon and steelhead.
I agree the best time to harvest salmon and steelhead is when they first enter estuaries and fresh water. Nothing compares to a snow-belly Spring Chinook as table fare, and far be in from me to deny the non-angler this seasonal treat. The same goes for other harvestable populations of salmon and steelhead.
Remember that the Columbia River fisheries were in sharp decline long before the first dam was constructed. The fisheries were in decline because of over-harvest by commericials, chiefly gill-netters. The gill-netters, even at that time, were well organized and well-heeled, and able to shift blame for the declining runs on the fish wheels. The gill-netter has had his day, like the market gunner, and it's time to realize that.
Commercial fishermen have a place at the table, most certainly: along with conservationists, Tribes, anglers, and all others with an interest in preserving salmon and steelhead. Commercial fishermen must realize, though, that harvest must become selective and target only specific stocks. Since the gill net is non-selective, it cannot remain a harvest tool, except in very defined and limited areas.
I believe, also, that we must take as strong a position as possible on this and not be too anxious to compromise. There will be a meeting somewhere in the middle, and I don't to lose any more than we already have.
Thanks for this dialog -- it's really helpful,
I honestly don't think the commercials will modify or change their behavior, fishing practices, or vuluntarily cut back their harvest. Instead, I see the commercials doing what they have done historically, advocate for more harvest opportunity and increased hatchery plants regardless of the effects of wild fish. Therefore, the only way I see the commercials cutting back their harvest or stopping it for a while is through restrictive regulation. That is why I don't think they should be at the table.
I view it the same way Pennsylvania did the coal mining industry when they passed the restrictions on coal mining and forced the mining industry to clean up after itself back in 1967. The coal industry screamed that they should have been at the table and that it was unfair to single them out. Thankfully, the restrictions and cleanup requirements were put into place, and done so without input from the coal mining companies.
Russ, there's a PM in your inbox.... no reason to flame out over a discussion where were not on the same page...
The larger point, I guess is also being missed. My guess is it comes down to whether or not one believes commercial fisherman and that industry has a seat at the table of what is wild salmon and steelhead recovery efforts. If you don't, then my arguement and original post, and the one that followed are moot...
I, however, think they do. I don't think we, those that are concerned about and desire to see abundant and healthy wild salmon and steelhead systems, can afford not to have them there. As stated in my previous post, I don't think we can afford to loose the political and financial clout (in all the forms previously described) in the battle for those fish. As fisher/conservationists alone, we have little if any political capitol to change policy in the management of wild salmonids. We are unorganized, dispersed, and have no financial weight to speak of. The rediculous debacle that was the failure to get no harvest regulations on wild fish on the OP is proof of that... As mentioned above, those commercial fisherman and that industry (along w/ the much maligned Tribes) are a driving reason why the Federal Government is before federal judges, being forced to develop real and workable salmon management plans in the Columbia basin and the Klamath Basin. And why we may actually see real change in the management/presence of dams on those systems, as seen in recent events on the Klamath Basin.
Given that one desires to have the commercial fisherman and that industry at the table (and yeah, I may be the only one here that does), the only way you will get them to modify their behaviors and beliefs is to be able to talk with them. And that requires listening. That requires being willing to hear their concerns, their beliefs, their desires, wants and needs. That requires being able to understanding where they are coming from. Only then will we find ways to strengthen the things we have in common, diminish the things you don't, and work effectively together to overcome common "enemies" (urban developement of watershed, hydroelectric projects, fish farms, timber harvest practices, irrigators, etc.)... It's called collaboration. That was the point of my original post... And those who give a damn about wild salmon and steelhead can't afford not to participate.
In Pennsylvania at least, market hunters had a very devistating effect on wild game, especially deer and elk. The deer and elk populations were so decimated that there was only one small area in the whole state where elk were still found (and is the only place in the state they are still found today). That was in the nearly inaccessible national forest lands on both sides of the "Grand Canyon of Pennsylvania"). The deer population was also severely impacted by the market hunters, who not only shot them for resturants, the also shot them for the local grocery store and butcher.
After market hunting was banned in Pennsylvania around 1900, the deer populations began to rebound, as did the elk. The deer populations continued to grow even during the height of deep shaft and strip mining for coal (and all the very bad things coal mining, especially early strip mining practices did to the environment) occurred duing the 20's to through the 50's.
Today, deer are so abundant in Pennsylvania that they have become a nuisance in some areas. In fact, up until the time I left Pennsylvania in 1979 at age 25, there was only a 2-day doe season for deer, and that was held on a Monday and Tuesday. Now there are as much as several weeks of doe season to help control the population, and this despite more housing development, more strip malls, more big-box stores, etc., which as far as I know have never been conducive to habitat needed by wild game animals.
The elk population has increased too; however, it has been much slower to rebound somewhat due to how few elk were left (estimated at only about 40 animals) when market hunting was banned, and also due to poaching in the remote area they still hung on. Also, the area the elk hung on is prime habitat that has never been developed or mined and which is virutually roadless. Elk have rebounded despite the poaching and the very low numbers left in 1900 to around 800 animals.
The bison of North Dakota, South Dakota, Western Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, Eastern Colorado, and Oklahoma were likewise almost made extinct by market hunters. Likewise as least on bird species in the US was made extinct by market hunting.
There is also the lesson of the east coast stripers. When commercial netting of stripers was going on to a fairly large extent back in the 50's and 60's, the striper population was so impacted along the eastern seaboard that all striper fishing was shut down for a while. There was a dramatic rebound in striper populations after commercial netting for them was banned and as a result there has been very good striper fishing once again for quite a while and good populations of them despite pretty heavy sportsfishing.
Therefore, I must respectfully disagree with you on commercial hunting or fishing not having had a large and negative impact on game animals and fish.
never mind...
stupid frickin' dial-up.... one to many submission-button clicks...
oh, but it's not that simple, Eric....
Apples and Oranges......
Commercial hunters of yore were but a small part of the local and larger national economy. Easy targets. The only losers in their demise were the hunters themselves, and perhaps the markets that sold their birds, the restaurants that offered them up, and the public that ate them. Oh, and maybe the guy that sold him the shot and powder for his battery guns... Because of their limited/non-existent political clout, they were easy targets for the newly minted hunter conservationist movement, brought out through leadership of Teddy Roosevelt and others. The market hunters didn't stand a chance. And yet the impact of their demise probably wasn't all that... habitat degradation through loss of beaver and great plains wetlands and wintering grounds, industrialization, et al. still continued to take it's toll, along w/ drought, and so many other factors that affect waterfowl populations... and continue to this day... And yes, the only ones that really lost were the hunters themselves, and yeah, am sure they found something else to do. And the restaurants and public certainly still got their duck. However, this time it was coming from FARMS, raised in mass production facilities (kinda like turkeys). No word on the environmental impact of those operations, however. But certainly that sounds familiar, right??
On the other hand, you have a fishing industry that is politically and economically powerful, and a native fishing program that's legally protected. the latter protected by treaty and court order, and won't be going away anytime soon. The former is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to local economies, including the fisherman, and all the support services and industries, etc. that surround, feed off of, and support that way of life. And that impact ripples out through the national and even global economy. Writing letters in search of legislation to make it "go away" won't go anywhere. And through the economic power they have, the political clouts goes w/ it. Case in point ~ the commercial fishery for salmon along the northern California/Oregon coast was shut down this past year to protect endangered salmon in the Klamath Basin. In response to that decision, the politicians, and the money, came running w/ financial assistance and political focus on the plight of the Klamath Basin. W/ that focus comes word that court ordered changes to allow fish passage on existing dams, or, in leu of that being economically impossible, the dismantling of those dams. And, changes in flows and insurance of minimum flows to meet habitat needs, and.... That same economic and political clout (not to mention the Tribes of the Columbia River Basin) has the Federal Government before Federal Judge Redden for the 4th time w/ a court directed re-write of the salmon management plan for the Columbia and Snake River systems. W/ the threat that if the National Marine Fisheries Service (fed gov) doesn't come up w/ a real and workable management plan that REALLY considers the effects and potential removal of the 4 lower Snake River dams, he'll do it for them. Fat chance THAT ever happening from a letter writing campaign from WSC and it's membership...
Speaking of which, let's look at our "success".... Even after an extensive letter writing campaign to get the State of Washington DNR to withdrawal the harvest of wild steelhead on the Olympic Peninsula (of which I, and I'm certain you participated in), public testimony, and limited political influence, and the short term success of a proposed halt to wild fish retention, ultimately political and economic clout (however misguided) won out, and that proposal went out the door. Strike one up for...well, not us...
My point of this rant? What ever short term gains may be achieved by seeing the local gill netter go away, and however that may affect the plight of wild salmonids, at least locally, the difference in the larger battle that is wild salmonid populations across the pacific coast won't be all that... the tribals will still be netting, the dams and hatcheries on the Columbia and Snake Rivers will still be there, as it will on the Skagit, and all the other S Rivers, and the Frasier, and... and the fish farms will likely still be there, along w/ their political and economic clout, because the demand for cheap salmon, no matter how bad the substitute, isn't going away either. And yet, what you've lost is yet another local voice that essentially want's the same thing we want. And while the industry at large will continue to remain, in lands far away from the PNW, locally it will disappear. And with one less voice, or for that matter many less voices, clout for abundant wild salmonids and functioning watersheds and all they we desire will diminish with it. And those who "want something else" (strip malls, housing developments, clearcuts, cheap hydroelectric power, "farm fresh fish") will only grow stronger...
"first they came for the commercial fisherman, but I didn't speak up, for they did not matter to me....................Then they came for me, but no one spoke up for me, for there was no one left to speak (and those that remained didn't give a $%^& that I wanted to catch and release wild steelhead)..."
Loosing any voice that supports more wild fish and healthy salmon systems is not acceptable. We will eventually loose for it. And to keep that voice intact, and hopefully expand them, you HAVE to know and understand them and their issues and concerns, and values and wants needs and desires, in the same way you have to share your own. W/ out that, we won't find ways past the disagreements and different perspectives. Which was the original point of my previous post, which apparently you didn't get..........
That strange drifting hay bale phenomena happens on this side of the world as well.
My experience with bands or tribes is it is almost always two or three pissed off "warriors" who really stir the pot. I've seen these guys do some sick sh*! just because a so-called right says they can
|There have to be a few locals who might loose a bail or so of hay "out their" truck when those nets are in thre river.
it is unconsciable to use a method that kills everything on a system with wild endangered stocks. How many sockeye make it to Redfish Lake or are the extinct? Every one of those returning wild fish is valuable, and supposedly protected, we can't kill them at least - nor would I want to.
|Very well put Eric.
The answer to the work-ethnic and satisfaction-from-a-difficult-job-well-done agrument for symphasizing with the gill-netter is to recall the waterfowl market hunters of the late 19th and early 20th century. The majority of these guys were master hunters; dedicated to their profession; supplied hotels and restaurants with prime poultry not available through other sources; put in long, hard hours under difficult conditions; had considerable investments in gear; were not compensated well enough to justify their efforts and expenses; and on and on. The market gunner, though, is history, because the resource could no longer tolerate his exploitation of the resource.
It's come to that with the Columbia anadromous fishery. I believe it's that simple.
My $0.02
Ripley's point needs to be taken to heart...
Like so many issues facing steelhead and wild salmonids in general, one really has to get to know and understand the problem, and just as importantly, the perspective of the "other side of the arguement". W/ out that, there's no way to effectively communicate not only your opinion, desires, wants, and needs, but also understand theirs. And w/ out that, discussions will be nothing more than wars of words... It's not winner take all out there. If it were, I guarantee, minus the ESA, we'll loose. When it comes to natural resources, and their protection and preservation, "our" side of the movement is not nearly organized enough, nor funded enough, to compete w/ economic interests of development, commercial fishing, etc.
Todd makes an excellent point, and highlights a reason why "providing bodies at the dam/collection point" won't cut it. They're not out there w/ gill nets just to put bodies in the boat, frozen slabs in the freezer. For them, there's something to the hardwork of putting out nets, the early mornings and late nights, the repairing of gear, and the comradery of working w/ others of the same ilk... Sound familier?? exchange a few adjectives and nouns, and you'll probably find the descriptions of why YOU fish for these critters. Along the same line, loggers don't log simply to put a paycheck in their pocket, nor do ranchers graze to put bread on the table. There's a culture to those activities that puts them there, and their desire to maintain that way of life. If you don't get that, then you'll never be able to communicate w/ them, and ultimately won't get the changes you desire...
my .02....
Todd- While I may not want to "get mine that way" by catching fish at a hatchery, just like a commercial may not want to "get his that way" by dip netting at bonneville fish ladder, my fishing and all sport fishing is way more selective (different gear, water, for different fish) and has lower mortality on protected stocks (gillnet vs. barbless hook c&r). I don't sympathize when the impact badly managed gillnet fisheries have is so astronomical. I see your point though.
Skilly -
That seems like a great idea for early arriving hatchery salmon runs and hatchery steelhead which hold their condition in fresh water a lot longer than pacific salmon but the definition of 'excess' may prove difficult to gauge because the hatchery is not likely to give up a quota of the first bright arrivals for harvest (before egg collection) and the Indians are not likely to accept dark kelts for market so there is a conflict of interest there that would have to be worked out. Not impossible to work out though, perhaps a ratio or something. Better than gillnetting that's for sure.
A combination of the two approaches would make sense.
|Todd Ripley
I'm sensing a little disconnect here between what might be going on, and what people think might be going on.
I learned early on in my advocacy career that commercial fishermen, be they tribal or non-tribal, don't do it just for the pile of fish in the bins at the end of the day...they actually like to go out fishing, but use a different tool than the rest of us...typically a gillnet. That's why buyouts aren't easy to implement, and why community commercial efforts such as fish wheels and fish traps aren't likely to gain wide acceptance in the commercial industry until they are forced to use them.
For every person who suggests that the commercial guys just take their catch out of the hatchery excess at the fish ladders and hatchery raceways, a worthwhile suggestion would be that those sport anglers go up to the hatchery and get their fish that way, too..."But I want to catch mine on a rod and reel!"...they're right if that's their response, but it's the same response that the commercial guys will give you..."But I want to go out in my boat, set my net, and get mine that way!"...
Just something to keep in mind.
I'd love to see the further implementation of fish traps and wheels, and the use of purse seines in the still waters...you can harvest target fish and release non-target fish with very little or no incidental mortality...but I have a hard time convincing the commercial fishers themselves that it would be as satisfying for them.
This is also an inevitable result of large scale hatchery programs...a bunch of sportfishers were very gung-ho about broodstock programs on the Chehalis system to produce large numbers of "mostly wild" steelhead, with clipped fins, to go out and fish for in March and April.
I warned that that this will have some unintended consequences that they will be very, very unhappy with if it is as successful as they hope, but that warning fell on deaf ears...
After a few years the broodstock programs were returning pretty good numbers of high quality broodstock hatchery fish...good numbers, bigger and more aggressive fish, and the return was spread out over a few months rather than the usual hatchery runts that all return within about 60 hours of each other.
Along comes the Quinault Tribe, who has fishing rights there, and they want access to those fish now, too...so in go the nets later and later in the year, and for longer fishing periods...and not only are the broodstock hatchery fish being harvested, but so are the true wild fish in the system, along with the very special run of late winter coho in the Chehalis system.
My warning turns out to be reality, and the broodstock programs have been discontinued.
It's a fairly regular problem among sportfishermen...they have a good grasp on what they want, but a fairly poor grasp of what the consequences of getting what they want might be.
In this case, really big hatchery runs can provide some excellent fishing experiences, but big runs of fish attract more than just big numbers of sportfishermen spending money hand over fist to get at 'em...
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After pulling a nice three year old from some hens on day two of the NY season with a few gobbles of my own, I was out of the woods by 6. We all know how great that feels and how very rare that is. The question I have is about cleaning the birds. Gutting turkeys are not a problem but for years I've had a bit of trouble after that.
For whatever reason there just always seems to be a ton of feathers and junk on the skin of the birds after I cut them up and try to freeze them. It takes me forever to pick all these little hair like feathers off and I never seem to get them all even if I soak the meat.
I'm not plucking these birds I'm cutting them right down to the meat and I'm just wondering if there is a technique I could use to avoid all the work?


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Reigning champ Tetsuya Yamato and HIROYA. HIROYA is looking to prove everyone wrong. He was once touted as the next big star of K-1 MAX by Masato himself. Recently though, HIROYA has not lived up to expectations, dropping two fights in a row, only having one fight in 2010 against Yuta Kubo. Things haven't gone as they would've hoped for HIROYA and this tournament will be his chance to get back on track. Yamato will be a tough test as he's the reigning champion. Not to mention this is just the first of a possible three fights in one night. Check out the promo video.


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Certed sisob as master today, for his unflagging energy and cheer to the end.
Certed sisob as master today, for his unflagging energy and cheer to the end.
Thought I'd drop by the old neighborhood and say "hi".
dyork: Pass along my birthday greetings to young Chloe!
MichaelCrawford: Thanks for that. I hope the value to others outweighs the personal pain of dredging up enough of the memories to put it to "paper", as it were. I think those values clearly must - the new media you've used offer a potentially vast new audience that can self-organize around your work in a way not possible with real paper. People who need and can benefit from what you've written will find it.
raph: Don't despair of people "leaving". Advogato can't be all things to all people. You've built something extraordinary here, enabling community and relationships that are invaluable. The glass is at least three quarters full here!
dobey: gman does fix a lot of bugs, too, and a ton grunt-level work that I see as equivalent of bug-fixing in terms of getting the whole system (human as well as technological) to work - unglamorous but necessary.
People add stuff they think is needed.
dobey II: I thought Uraeus raised some interesting points. A brusque "You're full of it" sounds more like a playground taunt than an attempt to advance the discussion.
Started a new blog here. I've come to realize that if we're to realize Tim Berners-Lee's original (and fabulous) vision for the web, it's about writing to as well as reading from the medium. And it makes no sense for my "home page" (a phrase that has become bereft of meaning through repetition) to be static, while I do all the writing somewhere else. So my home page is now my blog. (That's not the only reason for moving - more complex and self-indulgent reasons here.)
Just finished George Johnson's new book on quantum computing, A Shortcut Through Time: The Path to the Quantum Computer. I recommend it. He tackles two subjects I shy away from writing about - computer science and quantum schtuff. Both are so abstracted from everyday experience that finding the write metaphors to explain them to the lay public is tough. Johnson is up to the challenge.tunes
Now I'm in the middle of Graham Greene's Our Man in Havana. Fun so far.
Being dense, I did not realize that my public library has music CD's for loan. So I've been loading up. I stumbled across the CD rack while I was getting a book a couple of weeks ago, and the first bit that popped out at me was Don Ellis, who I really hadn't listened to in 20 years. I've since been scouring their racks for old '50s jazz. This week, it's Ornette Coleman, a Coltrane/Adderly combo and Art Pepper, a nifty big band leader I'd not heard before. On the Pepper album, some helpful library patron went through the liner notes and noted which instrument (tenor, alto, clarinet) Pepper played on each cut. In pencil.
I love the library. If it didnt exist, we'd have to invent it.
So Nora came in last night at bedtime and told me she'd need some help today fixing her computer. She sheepishly admitted she'd clicked on something that had installed some sort of porn program, and she couldn't get rid of it.
These people are bastards.
I sat down this morning after she left for school and fixed it. Took me quite a while, because she's a Windows user and I'm not very familiar with her operating system. I explain the details here not because I think Advogato readers will care, but so Google will pick this up and others with the same problem can see how to fix it. (When I Googled it, I found several people with the problem, but no solution.)
The bastards install a substitute dialer, c:\ecommerce\dialer.exe, which launches on startup. I'm not sure what it actually does, but the pictures suggest that if you use it, porn follows. I assume it's one of those Bulgarian long distance billing scams, but the computer has no modem, so thankfully we'll never know. Nora was smart enough to delete it and the offensive desktop icon launcher it also installs, but that wasn't good enough. On reboot, it was back.
A bit of hunting revealed that it had also dropped an executable: c:\sexicamz.exe. That was apparently doing the reinstall on launch. To remove it, I had to delete that file and also go into the registry (click "Run" on the start menu and type "regedit"): HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and remove the entry for sexicamz.exe (right-click on the entry to get the "delete" option). I don't know what I would have done if they hadn't given it such an obvious name. Being unfamiliar with Windows, I would never have known what is supposed to be there or not.
They're bastards. Did I mention that?
There's a famous psychology experiment done by Elizabeth Loftus in which she exposed subjects to an ad showing Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, then asked them later if they remembered meeting Bugs at Disneyland. Lots said yes, even though Bugs is a Warner Brothers character never seen at Disneyland. It's a powerful testament to the weakness of memory and the strength of suggestion.pi
It comes to mind because last night Lissa and I watched The African Queen, the famous 1951 Hepburn and Bogart flick. Lissa really wanted to see it, but I was lukewarm, thinking I'd seen it before and didn't like it that much. But when we watched it, I realized I hadn't seen it. I'd seen a bunch of famous scenes from it - the two of them riding the rapids in the African Queen, and Hepburn pulling leaches off of Bogart's gaunt body. But I'd never seen the movie. (And it was a terrific film.)
I picked up Fooled by Randomness at the library last week. The book kept coming up in things I was reading, and I'm very interested in the idea that our ability to see patterns where none exist is a source of endless trouble (see, for example, the Kennedy assassinations). The book wasn't that great - interesting material, but overtly arrogant writing that got in the way - so I returned it yesterday.
But the author did share a fun tidbit that stuck - a Monte Carlo technique for calculating pi. It's a pretty simple principle, explained in some detail here. Draw a circle with radius r and a square around it with side length 2r. Generate random points inside the square, and keep a tally. The ratio of points inside the circle to the total number of points, times four, approximates pi for a sufficiently large number of iterations.
I have a longstanding personal tradition, dating back to my high school math teacher David Geisler, of calculating pi with a new computer, or when I start playing with a new language. So in honor of Mr. Geisler (I often wonder whatever happened to him), I offer this. It's not a terribly efficient way to calculate pi, but it was fun. I did 10 runs with 100,000 iterations each run, and came out with pi=3.140472 +/- .0065, which seems reasonable.
There's an odd technology back story to the death of my friend Martin, which I noted previously.
My daughter, Nora, is friends with Martin's grandson David. Word of Martin's death arrived at our house Monday evening via instant message from David to Nora. That such momentous news would enter our lives via AIM somehow validates the technology, removes any triviality one might have tried to apply to it.
I woke up yesterday morning looking for an excuse not to ride. It was my weekly "Jaime ride", which is always the toughest day on the bike, and the weather was ugly. I'm glad I didn't believe the excuse I found. It was a great ride.Martin
The forecast had been for snow overnight, and I'd told Jaime the night before - snow on the ground, no ride. But instead it had been raining. It was raining and wet when I got up, still dark, and I figured I'd found my excuse. But when I looked at the weather radar, it seemed as though it was clearing out. I looked west (storms flow from the west) and could see clearing skies. So I called Jaime and said I'd make it.
As I was driving to Jaime's house, I was sure I'd made a mistake. A big new pile of clouds was pushing over from the west, rolling down over the lip of the mesa and onto Jaime's house. But I was committed, so I unpacked the bike and we rolled. I made him find us a back way out of his neighborhood and down to the river, off the busy street we usually take, because it was wet and grey and I didn't want to mess with cars.
As we came off the hill and down to the river, it was spectacular. The rain had stopped, and banks of clouds and fog and snow showers were moving over the valley and the foothills beyond, hiding and revealing our city before us. The air was thick with moisture, which is a great pleasure in the desert. And down by the river it smelled so good as we rolled down the trail by ourselves, no other cyclists, only an occasional walker, one hardy roller blader and a lot of puddles to dodge. No drafting on a day like that (I tried for a bit, until I got a glob of mud in my mouth from Jaime's back wheel) and our bikes and clothes were a filthy, muddy mess by the time we got home. It was delightful.
My neighbor and friend Martin died Monday evening. It is sad, but not unexpected, and a relief. He has been sick for a very long time, and has been preparing for his own death with a grim mixture of dignity, humor, realism and fear. Two years ago at his annual Fourth of July party, he wandered the backyard with a long oxygen line trailing him everywhere, very much the life of his own party. Last year, he had to sit most of the afternoon and evening, clearly exhausted, still trailing oxygen line, but very much more tired. The last time I saw him, a couple of weeks ago, he looked me square in the eye and told me it was frightening.
dcm has helpful advice for those hoping to prepare for the coming apocalypse here.bumper sticker
Nora spotted our new favorite bumper sticker on a pickup trucks this evening:freeFREE TACOSIt took a moment for full amusement to set in.
There's an interesting new report from the National Academy of Sciences about the importance of freely sharing scientific data on which research publications is based. This seems basic to science, but there has been a great deal of friction of late because of the potential for conflict between the principles of the open academy and the profit potential of discoveries. The NAS report is an attempt to essentially use peer pressure to get folks to share. Significantly for the Advogato audience, it is addresses the issue of software when the software is central to the science.
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Hurts a little that I'm barly mentioned in the article or by randy. I designed this entire theme. I built the back bone. I coded everything. This is simply a graphics variation of iSTS Twilight Pro. The animations, features everything that makes this theme cool was coded and done by me.
Bit glad my work was nominated as theme of the week with no credit really to my theme or me for building it.
The article mentions you, AltoidDealer, and Schnedi each as the creator of the theme, only one mention each. What else did you want to see?
I agree that the theme looks amazing, but I haven't been into theming since I was on 3.1.3.
My power has been out since Sandy struck until just 20 minutes ago it popped back on, so I have been making all comments via my phone. That's still no excuse for not making a proper comment giving thorough credits to the rest of the team.
I'll copy this comment of mine from the release thread for sgtarters:
But Tyler the way you made that comment, though, makes it sound like I'm just some random guy hacking your theme, trying to steal all the credit! C'mon man!!!!!!!! You know that is absolutely not my intention whatsoever.
iSTS Twilight should have been Theme of the Week 10 times before iATS Alien was; Alien has been out for over 2 months now with a whopping 82 downloads total, and iSTS Twilight had quadruple that many downloads ON DAY ONE. LOL!
I did pour my heart and soul into this version though, and you know as well as I do that this is not just a simple graphical variation of iSTS Twilight. I spent over 30 hours working on Twilight, and even more than that creating the Alien variation; all of the coding needed to be changed (all different sized images) and I also added several hundred lines of new code for the additional features.
Anyone that thinks this theme is ugly, please go check out iSTS Twilight which is for a much, much broader audience than this Alien variation
Not trying to argue. But you simply manipulated my code. And copy and pasted things. Just a shame someone obviously pushed and made some requests for this theme to be featured.
I built the whole damn thing. And just want credit for it. You don't add a body kit to a car and say you made it. You simply changed it.
But whatever. This site is so biased anyways.
Well I just want to clarify with you that I did not ever say or suggest that I built this car. Ive always tried to make your credit, as well as mine, as clear as possible. iSTS Twilight and iATS Alien would not be possible without you, Schnedi, SnowLeo, Gan-Man, scairflare, Pathkiller and myself. Definitely not without you, but please don't forget that I did perform some major CPR on the theme when it was abandoned, requiring a 12-hour long "bug fix"! I still appreciate that beautiful credits you wrote for me. I wasnt as passionate with the iATS Alien credits, but then again my involvement with the theme has only been a few months, not YEARS.
So please don't rain on my parade now; everyone knows this is OUR theme. Its our parade.
Tyler made the original code of this theme, and it was absolutely brilliant. Im eternally grateful that he permitted me to publically release this Alien version which I sculpted from the iSTS Twilight base, which I originally intended to be just my own personal version.


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Have you guys ever wondered about how much great music must be out there that hasn't been discovered, how many great bands that have yet to be signed? Well, I came across a site that has 'em all! It's free, and free to join, and you can help in reviewing the music you hear. I've been a memeber now for about 2 weeks, and have discovered some really talented bands! You can also compile favorites list of the songs you hear! Because your reviews are also reviewed and scored by the site, I have noticed that the better reviews you give, the better songs you get to review!
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By Bobby Pepper/NEMS Daily Journal
Matthew Gumm couldn't take it any longer. Weighing 310 pounds, the Mooreville teen told his mother he was tired of being made fun of because of weight, tired of being rejected by girls, tired of feeling depressed.
"He felt so bad about himself that he was starting to shut himself off from other people," Pam Gumm said. ""He told me, 'Momma, I've got to do something'."
That day, Matthew enrolled in a health club. Sixteen months later, a much slimmer Gumm walked into the same club to work out. During a break, the 18-year-old pulled out his smartphone to show a "before" photo of himself.
"I was a big ole boy back then," Gumm said.
The "after" Gumm is a fit 6-foot-2, 200-pound senior at Mooreville High School. His weight loss was not a result of surgery or a fad diet, but of willpower fueled by regular exercise and healthy eating.
The weight loss has brought a change in lifestyle for Gumm, and he's humbled by the results.
"I don't want to take it for granted," he said. "This doesn't make me better than anyone else. I want to be humble about it. I want to help others."
The only child of Jimmy and Pam Gumm, Matthew began his struggles with obesity just before he turned 10. This was evident in the photos Pam had compiled for her son's scrapbooks detailing his life.
"You can see when it started happening to him," she said, looking at a collection of her son's preteen photos. "I didn't see my child like that. He was my kid. He wasn't overweight to me."
Matthew was 15 and a freshman at Saltillo High School when he reached 300 pounds. He transferred to Mooreville after that year.
As he weight increased, Gumm's self-esteem decreased.
"There were a bunch of people who wouldn't talk to me," he said. "I had a lot of trouble with girls. They wouldn't talk to me, period, and that really hurt. It was rejection after rejection after rejection."
When Gumm reached his breaking point in October 2011, his parents allowed him to join Anytime Fitness on East Main in Tupelo.
Pam Gumm said she would have resisted signing him up earlier, but she realized he needed help.
"At that point, I knew I couldn't put it off," he said. "I had to do it for him."
Going to the gym and working out for almost an hour became part of his daily routine. The cardiovascular workouts helped him shed the excess weight.
"I put a lot of hours into those machines," he said. "That's what made me lose a lot of fat."
And as Gumm began losing the pounds, others took notice.
"I usually spend 30 minutes on cardio," he said, "but one day, a girl walked in and she wanted me to get on there with her. You know, girls influence you. I stayed on it for an hour and a half."
Then, he paused and smiled. "That was a rough day," he said.
Gumm also changed his eating and drinking habits. Fast food and soft drinks were out. He eats about 2,500 calories and drinks up to 10 16 ounce bottles of water a day.
"If it doesn't swim or fly, I don't eat it," he said. And his mom added, "He doesn't touch bread anymore."
A balance of diet and exercise is vital to losing weight, Gumm said.
"You can't lose weight sitting in front of the TV," he said. "Thirty minutes in the gym is better than 30 minutes of TV.
"I was told you can't cheat in a marriage and expect the marriage to work. You can't cheat on a diet and expect it to work," Gumm added. "It's all about putting the right foods into your body and making sure you're burning more calories than you're taking in."
Better health means a better social life for Gumm. He had a girlfriend his senior year, his first since the fifth grade.
Gumm's mother is proud of his change.
"He's done such an awesome job," she said. "I'd like to get up the willpower to do what he has done."
Gumm, who played football at Mooreville, will graduate in May. He plans to attend Itawamba Community College and then the University of Mississippi to earn a degree in criminal law. He plans a career in law enforcement.
Learning from his own personal experience, Gumm encourages other teenagers who struggle with weight issues not to let others bully or discourage them.
"You have to train like your worst enemy is watching you," he said. "If you have a dream, protect it. People who can't do things themselves, they'll tell you you can't do it. If you want something, you have to go get it.
"It's something you have to do for yourself," he adds. "You have to decide in your heart and your mind if you want to do it. Ultimately, it's going to change everything."


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For the record, I was born in Canada but a lot of my family is in the U.S. I have been a life long political junkie.
For my whole adult life Canada has been politically to the left of the U.S. Not any more.
Starting in 1968, we elected an intellectual, youthful, handsome, Kensyian, powerfully erudite and 'charismatic' Liberal named Pierre Trudeau. We can thank him for increasing our National Debt by 85% when he left office for the last time in 1984..(no term limits here). He was divisive and was either loved or despised. He grew social programs, legislated forced bilingualism, created many Crown Corporations which competed (with gov't funded pockets) with Private Companies, expanded hugely and mandated socialized health care, (by outlawing Private Medicine) spent money like it fell from the sky and left our small economy in a quagmire. After 25 years of fiscal frugality and repayment, our debt is manageable and shrinking. There is a blip this year during this world recession, but it should only be a one year negative flow.
The U.S. seems to do things in Spades. What mistakes we made 40+ years ago, you are repeating and compounding. Watch out is all I can say. Mr. Trudeau was a Silk Stocking Socialist...a wealthy Jesuit educated Law Professor, insulated, brilliant but imbued with the theories of Mao, Marks, Castro, Che...Although perfectly bilingual, he despised and turned his back to our British roots and traditions. He embraced and legislated a cultural 'mosaic' which now has the tail wagging the dog. Much of his legacy lives on still...Human Rights tribunals who have huge powers but no accountability, political correctness gone mad, a National Healthcare system on the verge of bankruptcy where 12 hour Emergency room waits aren't abnormal and 18 month waits for scarce Medical Specialists aren't either.
A huge percentage of Canadians do not have a family Physician and many rural areas have no M.D.s. At least 4 small Community hospitals in my area have been legislated to close their E.R.s and emergencies are being sent up to 40 miles away.
What you see or think you see is not always what you get.
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NO way, send em back and make em get in line and come here legally
NO way, send em back and make em get in line and come here legally
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If we're lucky, it'll be passed by Congress, middle America will revolt (how many jobs will have been lost by then?), then at least the House will be returned to the Republicans after the mid-term elections. Then, in just under four years, a Republican majority will be elected in the Senate and it won't matter WHO is President...
Or...it'll get shot down because the Democrats are afraid of the above scenario....
Win-win regards,
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Yep, immigration reform is a political third rail during this economy. That he's testing the waters on it indicates to me that he's either not politically savy (which I don't believe for a minute) or he's so arrogant that he believes his own press and thinks his silver tongue will allow him to jam ammnesty down an unwilling and hostile (on this issue, anyway) populace. I'm w/ KG. If he tries to push this there will be a lot of nervous Dems come the mid-term elections.
When President Reagan declared amnisty for over 10 million illegals, it created a flood of some 20 million more illegals. Another declaration of amnisty would create even more illegals. We should have learned something from Reagan's folly.
Neither party wants to touch the subjest, just notice how it wasn't an issue in the last election. As mush as the Republicans pandered to the Hispanics and illegals over the last 8 years, what good did it do them? Obomo got the large majority of Hispanic votes.
Maybe the Republicans have learned thier lesson and hopefully they will stop the pandering.
A voter backlash by non-blacks and non-Hispanics? I doubt it as most non-ethnics are too apathetic to care.
I am afraid that the only way we will get our country back, is to take it back.
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"All those things bother me: The populism, the lying and the scapegoating and the xenophobia bother me, but then theres a layer of incompetence here. I suppose, in a way, we should be thankful: If he had a coherent ideology, hed probably be more dangerous." P J O'Rourke
If you went through a hole in the fence, or came as human cargo you are going back.
Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
The only way to get in this house is through the front door
cave canem...beware of the dog
Richard Halstead (halst001 at yahoo.com)
In regards to the illegal immigration problem, the Democrats are just as treasonist as the Republicans.
I was merely addressing the falicy of amnisty.
"All those things bother me: The populism, the lying and the scapegoating and the xenophobia bother me, but then theres a layer of incompetence here. I suppose, in a way, we should be thankful: If he had a coherent ideology, hed probably be more dangerous." P J O'Rourke
From the good Republicans at the Chamber:
"Throughout our history, the dreams and hard work of immigrants have been a driving force behind America's success as a strong, prosperous nation. We need the continued contributions of these immigrants to grow and remain competitive.
For the 111th Congress, the Chamber will:
* Continue to push for comprehensive immigration reform that: increases security; has an earned pathway to legalization for undocumented workers already contributing to our economy, provided that they are law-abiding and prepared to embrace the obligations and values of our society; creates a carefully monitored guest or essential worker program to fill the growing gaps in America's workforce recognizing that, in some cases, permanent immigrants will be needed to fill these gaps; and refrains from unduly burdening employers with worker verification systems that are underfunded or unworkable.
* Urge Congress and the administration to address delays, backlogs, and disruptions in our immigration and border management systems that impede the movement of legitimate cargo and travelers across U.S. borders.
* Ensure the continuity and expansion of H-1B, L-1, and EB visas for professionals and highly valued workers.
* Lobby for reform to enable seasonal and small businesses to continue to use the H-2B temporary visa."
It appears those folks are for amnesty, too!
I don't want to feed an ugly dog!
This whole immigration thing boils down to the Democrats buying votes. In the way they did with the welfare class, so too are they doing it with the hispanic issue. It very well could solidify their powerbase for decades.
Makes you want to move to New Zealand.
But, let me ask you, how much of your tax dollars do you want to spend to round up 11,000,000 or so illegals? How much whining do you want to put up with from the civil rights advocates about breaking up families? How much do you want to spend in sealing the borders with more federal employees or the military? Is it worth it, when American manufacturing is taking American jobs elsewhere, anyway?
I don't want to feed an ugly dog!


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Thanks everyone for your input.
I will certainly heed all advice given.
I must agree with a previous post ... it's not the gear that makes for an unethical approach, it's the dangler.
I was fishing the three Gaspe-town rivers in late September a few years ago. I saw a very skilled angler take salmon with deep slow drifts of a large fly in quiet pools. It was totally ethical fishing ... the angler could see his fly, and he could see when the fly was taken by a fish. He threw his fly to the side of the pod of fish, not through it. His fish were fair hooked - in the chops.
I also have seen a guy fishing a floating line with a small wet fly ... in a dead still pool. He cast across-and-down, drifting the fly deep through a pod of fish and ... BINGO ... hookup!
I landed a fish for him that was hooked near the adipose fin. This angler displayed his true spirit when he asked me to take a photo of him and his 'caught' fish. This guy was fishing a beautiful dry fly spot, yet he never tried a dry. After a period of this treatment, the pool was useless for a dry ... or any other legal method.
The fish were terrified of a fly line.
I fished this spot after he'd had a good go at it ... and had 'hooked' several fish. Throwing a dry, I would lengthen my cast, yet the fish would mysteriously be out of range as the fly went over. Eventually, I pushed the pod out of the lie and up against the far bank. Then, the fish freaked out, rushing all over the pool and coming out of the water. It looked good ... active fish ... but it was terrible.
I once spent two days on prime pools trying to get a fly anywhwere near a fish. Turns out, I'd been following a couple of guys that were fishing slow, deep and across with floating lines and largish wet flies. I talked to them on one of these days and they proudly commented that they'd been hooking a lot of fish.
I guess!
For me, I don't like all the work of fishing a sinking line. I'm no casting legend, but this is how it feels to me. Pull in most of your line, roll cast the rest up to the surface, false cast, false cast, false cast, duck, fling, shoot and do one quick mend before the whole mess sinks ... all to make one swing! And talk about losing flies! I won't fish my Atlantic salmon flies out west, 'cause I can't stand losing a week's worth of work in an afternoon (I'm a slow tier ).
I live in BC now, and there is lots of water out here that cannot be fished with a floating line. I've seen skilled ethical fisherman on the east coast who fished deep and fair hooked the fish they were after. As several have said, it's the intent, not the gear that makes the angler. However, Howie is right ... you are likely to be called a few nasty names on some eastern Canadian rivers if you fish a sinker, no matter how ethical your approach may be.
So, sinking gear can be fished legally, and it can be done ethically. It's probably up to each individual's 'Brass Factor' to determine if they can live with the chatter that it may engender.
Jim Corrigan
What Howie describe is particularly true on the Matane. The guys who do it since about 10-12 years are responsible of about 90% of all regulation changes or recommendations of changes since couple years.
About how people see the usage of it, in fact, some of us - I am- use brass tube when fishing in very cold and high water at the end of may or begginning of june. Later, high water doesn't require it since the water is warmer than in spring. Sink tip will be use by many during june or late september, with water being colder and only if water level allow it. The important thing is to make sure to have a low density sink tip. Personaly, I usualy use a sinking intermediate tip (1.5 inches per second) in falls, except if we have the chance of having the tail of a hurricane (and the rain coming with, like maybe next week), never more than 3.5 inches per second with high water. So forget a deep water express and extra fast sinking, I would be very surprised if you meet conditions to use it here in fall.
Have a good trip.
Hi Pete,
Perhaps you misinterpreted my latter response. I was warning you of alienation, ridicule and perhaps being followed around by the Wardens on this river if you use sink tips, sinking lines, or weighted tubes. It is not the practice up here. I was not inferring that you would do anything illegal or unethical. Just a "Heads Up" that you will be looked upon as a deviant.
I too have used sink tips on some rivers in Russia and on some Western Steel Head rivers. Never did I have to use them in Iceland. As we all know they are necessary to use in heavy water conditions. But here on the Gaspe, they are frowned upon because most who use them are poachers.
The poachers on the Matane and Matapedia have devised a skillful method of using fast sink tips, a very long leader, and a very small unweighted fly. They enter a pool which holds many fish, cast up and across letting the fly sink, and then swing it low over the salmon. The idea is that the leader will run crossways through the salmon's mouth only to get hooked once the fly hits the fish. The fish is then hooked at the mouth (from the outside), making it look like the fish is legally hooked. This technique has been honed by the poachers. In fact just recently, several of our pools have been armed with devises that sit in the pools to snag these sinking lines. One is in Cap Seize and one is in Grand Tamagagi......two pools where poachers have killed many huge fish over the past few years. Most of the fish killed are very large salmon and most have been lined through the mouths as I explained. It took to Wardens quite a long time to figure this out.
Just got back from a day of scouting on the Matapedia with some friends. Water looks much better there than the here on the Matane.
Hey Juro
I am very glad that there is no fishing directly in Reykjavik.
The Squire is like going to church compared to a night out in Reykjavik.
But maybe you and Dave should meet me there someday.
Hi Anne
Thanks for the pics. They certainly wet my appetite.
See you soon.
As Anne points out... there's more than one type of water, more than one legal approach and also more than one type of fisherman.
When I fished the Gaspe (or the Pacific Northwest for that matter) there are waters that are best suited to fishing one way or the other but all too often the "religion" makes people feel like they must do one thing or another.
In any steelhead or salmon river there are runs where fishing a dry line is a complete waste of time and others where a sinking line is intrusive. For instance a slow clear holding pool verses and highly oxygenated rapid with bottom structure where anxious fish (takers) are ducking under the main thrust of current.
Current is most forceful in the middle of the depth column, lightest on the surface and bottom column. However the addition of bottom structure (rocks etc) makes the lowest level best for holding where there is current several feet deep. Fishing over this kind of water with a floating line is for pride or reputation, not success.
This lesson is well-learned in the famous steelhead rivers of the pacific northwest where people use sinktip lines as often as they use floating lines depending on the water. And no one regards you as a poacher unless you drag the sinking line through the quiet holding pools. And no one does that, well maybe one or two but it's not the line doing the dirty work it's the angler.
I know Pete very well and he is an accomplished angler who knows his water. In fact when I read of his numbers in Iceland I guessed two things - a great year for salmon in the north atlantic and the fact that he fished a lot of water the way it was meant to be fished which many anglers would have passed up with their floating lines.
Just a theory based on my experiences in Washginton, Oregon and British Columbia compared/contrasted with the Gaspe rivers.... but I might have to save up and 'study' his approach in Reykjavik one of these years
Here are a few recent pics of the York, Dartmouth and St-Jean rivers
(taken Sept 1-2-3-4)
Waters for dry flies and nice currents for wet flies..!!
(Rain in the forecast... we'll see what happens...! )
Tight Lines (only a few weeks left! )
See you soon Pete!!
I felt I must point out to you that I only fish with sinking lines and brass tubes when the river conditions make it necessary. I much rather fish with dry flies.
I hope that you were not insinuating that I may be a "poacher" because I would be very unhappy about that.
I have fished all over the world for many different species and feel that I am an experienced angler. I have fished for atlantic salmon all over Europe and in a few Canadian rivers. I respect local traditions and am more than just interested in conservation.
However I do not wear blinkers and the purpose of going fishing is to catch fish.
Thank you again for all the info.
|Green Ghost
Gaspe Regulations
Nice Work Howie!!!!
The regulations should be clearer.
One can buy lines that drop at greater than 1 foot per second without any additional weight, no problem, Probably very easy to land a fly on a fishes back and "accidently" become attached.
The discussion is now about Ethics and Care for the survival of the fish!
I hope 2009 regulations are more conservation minded.
Brass tubes are for Fijords!!!!!!!!!
|63 fish Holy moley you wont be doing that in the Gaspe in 6 days. Whar rivers are you fishing in the Gaspe?
I am off to Gaspe in a couple of weeks and I am trying to get my gear together.
Can I fish with sinking or intermediate lines?
Can I use sink tips?
Can I use flies tied on brass or aluminium tubes?
Can I use weighted flies?
Thanks in advance.
Your question would be more appropriate for spring conditions.
Dont complicate yourself.
You are at the end of the season, the salmon are mostly all stack in the holding pools, the water level in low and the temperature can be hot.
So go light weight 6,7, 8 weight, lots of dry flies and # 8,10,12 and smaler single or doubles wet flies, are a must.
But just in case, those tube can be effective if Gaspé receives some left overs from those big storms in the USA, so that rain can and will bring new fish in, especialy on the Dartmouth.
Enjoy the Gaspé.
You will have a hard time finding fast water for your brass tubes on the Gaspe right now. Unless we get some decent rain here, your one inch brass tube flies will virtually sink to the bottom.
Our river along with most others are quite low and fishing a sink tip here will label you as a poacher or what we call a "sink tipper". You don't want to fish this river with a sink tip if you want to make friends.
Although it is common practice to fish sink tips, weighted flies and tubes in places like Norway, Russia and perhaps Iceland, it is frowned upon in these parts. "Sink Tippers" in these parts have honed their skills as great poachers and known for sticking fish right through there mouths. If you use a sink tip or brass tube on the Matane you will be ridiculed and accused of being a poacher. Regardless of the exact wording of the laws, the "fishing spirit" on most of the Gaspe is carried out with floating lines exclusively, along with unweighted wets and drys.
Thanks for all your help guys.
I am certainly not interested in snagging fish and I understand about low water and holding pools.
i have just had a week fishing in Iceland, using a floating line with an intermediate tip and the an add on sinking tip. I mostly used tube flies, some tied on 1" brass tubes.
I caught 63 fish in 6 days, lost about another 50 and did not snag any. The reason for the brass tubes was to get the fly down in fast moving water.
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