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Henry Repeating Arms Celebrates Centennial Milestone with Special Edition Rifle
To commemorate the Boy Scouts of America's 100th Anniversary, Henry Repeating Arms announces the release of a special Henry Golden Boy "Boy Scouts of America® Centennial Edition" rifle. To mark this milestone, this officially licensed rifle features the Scout Oath, Scout Law, scrollwork and traditional Boy Scouts of America logo embellishing the receiver, as well as a 100 Years of Scouting logo and Centennial Edition gold filled etchings in the buttstock and forearm. Each rifle will bear a special serial number starting with the prefix BSA, and each local council will have the first opportunity to purchase the rifle with the serial number that matches their council (example BSA00304).The Henry Golden Boy "Boy Scouts of America® Centennial Edition" rifles are only available through authorized Henry dealers. To find a dealer in your area, visit www.henryrepeating.com.
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Junk Food Clothing Company, specializing in casual apparel with weathered retro and contemporary pop culture images, launches BSA® Infant and Toddler product line. The company has been successful in the image-savvy junior market and trend conscious adult market. The toddler tees and infant one-pieces are now available at various boutiques.
How to Ensure You Have Authentic 100th Anniversary Merchandise
Brand authentication plays an integral role in protecting consumers from being misled from companies who may be manufacturing substandard and unauthorized products in the marketplace. A strong brand authentication and security program helps protect the customer by providing assurance that the merchandise is produced to certain quality standards, there is adequate consumer protection for product failure, and that the supplier meets social compliance regulations.For our upcoming 100th Anniversary, we have implemented a program to ensure that consumers know that they are purchasing Authentic 100th Anniversary product. All 100th Anniversary products, produced by the BSA National Supply Group and all merchandise sold by official BSA licensees will carry a distinct "Authentic BSA 100th Anniversary Product" holographic security label as required by BSA."Authentic BSA 100th Anniversary Product" holographic stickers and hangtags can be viewed to the right. These identifiers are in addition to the holographic security label or other approved brand authenticity measures that current BSA licensees are required to place on every licensed item sold.These security measures are designed to help consumers identify and track authorized merchandise in the retail landscape.If you purchase product with a BSA® trademark (including a BSA Fleur de lis, or any other proprietary mark, word or phrase), make sure you look for proof that it is either an official Boy Scouts of America product, or that it carries a holographic seal, hangtag or other approved marking. Items that are suspected of infringing on BSA® trademarks can be reported at www.scouting.org/licensing.


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A satisfying day.
I got a lot done. Especially satisfying is the fact that every single FIXME in Nautilus now has a Bugzilla bug. We can see the size of the job much more clearly now.
I am pretty happy with Bugzilla. Besides a bit of customization for Eazel purposes, I've also fixed a lot of bugs in it. But sadly these bug fixes aren't rolled back into the original. I'd like to do that at some point.
I'm really enjoying the other members of the Nautilus team and the folks who hang out on the #nautilus IRC channel.

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Over the weekend accusations surfaced that Comcast has been threatening Tor users with termination of service. According to reports, Comcast subscribers claimed that agents from the company instructed subscribers that use of the highly popular Tor browser was "illegal" and against the giant ISP's user policies. And let's get one thing straight right now: Tor isn't illegal. In fact, the Tor browser is used by academics, activists, regular Internet users, and even law enforcement.
If these accusations were true, then Comcast would not only be acting contrary to the principles of net neutrality, but would also potentially infringe on millions of users' legitimate need to use the Internet without disclosing their IP address.
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Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation, io9, and a coalition of fan groups over Labor Day weekend for Project Secret Identity, a cosplay photo campaign to raise awareness of how online anonymity and privacy are key to free expression. Visit ProjectSecretIdentity.org during Dragon Con (Aug. 29 – Sept. 1) to participate online or visit us on the second floor of the Hilton Atlanta or the Southeastern Browncoats booth, #1000 at AmericasMart.
For the first time in my life, I'm donning a costume at a convention.
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Tonight at our Troop Committee meeting I reminded the Committee that we are in need of a 5th Assistant Scoutmaster.
It prompted the discussion of roles of the ASM's.
We have had this discussion before, but in light of the size of the Troop it was worth bringing up again.
When the Troop was small and new, the ASM's had a clear role of being Teachers, Coaches, and mentors. Essentially, they had to start from scratch with a group of young boys.
As skills developed and the boys became older, the role of the ASM's morphed to a more relaxed coach. Assisting where needed and working on specific skills.
Well now the Troop is big and young… very young. The roles of the Assistant Scoutmaster's have changed again.
We are now back into the Teacher, Coach, Trainer mode.
And so the role is back to a more hands on "Guided Discovery" approach.
Now we move the ASM's back to covering down on a Patrol, teaching Patrol leaders, and developing the young men.
The roles of Adult leaders change and develop over time. It is important that we recognize changes in the youth and their skill sets.
Further it is important that as the Scouts grow, you allow room and do not over supervise. You have to let them remain boy led, even when skills are low and the age level is young.
Guided Discovery is the key. Teach, Coach, Train, and Mentor the Scouts allowing them to own their Troop and make good decisions. Decision making that is taught and learned from Assistant Scoutmaster's that know their role.
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Two attorneys who specialize in the copyright of electronic information will debate the online trading of music and video on college campuses at 3:30 p.m. Friday, May 6, in 101 Friend Center.
The student-organized event, titled "Fear-to-peer: A Debate About File-sharing on Campus," will be moderated by Edward Felten, professor of computer science. It is free and open to the public.
The speakers will be Dean Garfield, vice president and director of legal affairs for the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), and Wendy Seltzer, an intellectual property attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
The MPAA and the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) have filed lawsuits against students from many universities for allegedly sharing copyrighted material on computer networks. Some of the RIAA suits have targeted Princeton students. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has advocated fewer restrictions on online file-sharing and has joined in the defense of those targeted by industry lawsuits.
The debate will focus on the effectiveness of the industry lawsuits and how universities should address the challenges posed by electronic file-sharing.
"It's a critical issue as students are being sued, and it affects college students across the country," said Princeton senior Stacy Chen, who helped organize the event. "We wanted to bring a dialogue to campus, with high-profile people having an honest discussion."
Other organizers of the event were senior Daniel Peng nd graduate students Harlan Yu and Alex Halderman. It is sponsored by the School of Engineering and Applied Science, the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, the Department of Computer Science, the Association for Computing Machinery and the Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers.


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Providence, as well as Rhode Island, is a great destination for college students. We are the smallest state, yet we boast 400 miles of coastline in a compact 48 by 37-mile package. Everything is close by. Rhode Island College is located less than 5 miles from downtown Providence, allowing you all the advantages of a great city from our 180-acre suburban campus. Providence, our capital city, has a population of 175,000 people. From campus or downtown, it's less than an hour to Boston and three hours to NYC.
From the PROVIDENCE WARWICK Convention and Visitors Bureau website about Providence:
Welcome to Providence, Rhode Island! Providence combines the accessibility and friendliness of a small town with the culture and sophistication of a big city. With a thriving arts community, vibrant and diverse neighborhoods, outstanding hotels, a renowned restaurant scene and so many things to do, Providence is the perfect place to visit. The city's compact size and convenient location make it easy to get to and hard to forget. Historic and hip, sophisticated and small-town, Providence packs the best of New England into one convenient and colorful package.
Rhode Island College Student Bucket List
While you're here attending college, there are some great things to see and do off campus - and that adds to the whole college experience. Remember, downtown Providence is less than 5 miles from campus (yes, freshmen may have cars on campus, and bus transportation is also available). In no particular order, you should try to see or do all of the items on the list before you graduate from Rhode Island College. A number of our suggestions are offered by Student Activities to RIC students and others are easy to do on your own.
RISD Museum of Art in Providence (over 80,000 works of art) - visit for free with your RIC ID courtesy of President Carriuolo, who purchases an institutional membership for RIC. Nearly 800 faculty, staff, and students had a free visit last year.
Del's Lemonade - though not the state drink (coffee milk is), this frozen lemonade is a RI tradition and you've got to try it. We serve it at our Spring Party for admitted freshmen.
WaterFire Providence - Bonfires are installed on three rivers several times a month from May to October with music, multiple entertainment venues, and you'll even spot gondolas on the rivers. The Waterfire basin is located in Waterplace Park, home to outdoor concerts and performances.
Bank of America Skating Rink - twice the size of Rockefeller Plaza's rink in NYC and right in downtown Providence!
Beaches - With more than 100 public and private beaches in Rhode Island, it will take you a while to check them out - but do see as many as you can.
Big Blue Bug - Take a picture to send home of the world's largest bug, located on RT 95S in Providence on the roof of New England Pest Control. It's a big blue termite, 58 feet long and 928 times actual termite size.
"The Dunk" - Attend a concert or sporting event at New England's premier events arena. Home to the AHL Providence Bruins, it is host to major concerts and various sporting events.
Broadway shows and plays - Take in a Broadway show at PPAC (Providence Performing Arts Center), a play at Trinity Rep or at one of the many theatre venues in Providence and throughout Rhode Island.
Providence Place Mall - Great shopping with over 170 stores like Nordstrom's, Hollister, Abercrombie, Sephora, Coach; 8 restaurants including Dave & Buster's, Johnny Rocket, P.F. Chang's, The Cheesecake Factory, and a 17-screen cinema with an IMAX theatre.
Explore Thayer Street on College Hill in Providence, where area college students love to hang out. Known for funky stores and cool places to eat.
Newport - Less than an hour from campus, Newport is a must-see with great beaches, lively waterfront downtown, tours of spectacular mansions, Tennis Hall of Fame.
Roger Williams Park Zoo - The Boston Globe named it the finest zoo in New England. This 40 acre urban gem is located in Providence.
Ferry to Block Island - 12 miles off our coast for a day of bicycling or beach on a picturesque island, still part of Rhode Island.
Eat - well over 700 restaurants just in Providence - too many places, too little time. You'll find all kinds of cuisine in RI which reflects our rich cultural diversity. One well-known area is Federal Hill (minutes from campus), known as "Little Italy".
Go sailing (or learn to sail) - right in Providence at the Community Boating Center.
PawSox - Pawtucket, RI is home to the Paw Sox, Minor league Triple A affiliate of the Boston Red Sox - catch a game!
Check out RI historical "firsts" - Slater Mill in Pawtucket, RI, where the Industrial Revolution began; Touro Synagogue in Newport, the nation's first synagogue; First Baptist Church of America in Providence, really, the very first.


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Please take a moment to view the website www.neptune-regatta.com for further information.
Neptune Regatta NOR
Posted 13 August 2010 - 02:24 AM
Please take a moment to view the website www.neptune-regatta.com for further information.
Posted 04 September 2010 - 02:21 AM
Maritime countries straddling the equator are (westabout from the Prime Meridian) Sao Tome & Principe, Gabon, Somalia, Maldives, Indonesia, Kiribati, Ecuador & Brazil,
Sao Tome & Principe - I'm a Chartered Surveyor and a racing navigator and I admit even I had to Google that one! To be fair, it is ISAF recognised and we've all seen 'STP' sails at out local regattas right? No? OK: Next!
Gambon - ah yes, that well renouned African yachting nation. No?
Somalia - Next!
Maldives - now you're talking but getting there... from anywhere is a PITA for crew, let alone yacht deliveries
Indonesia - hold on to that one for a minute...
Kiribati - see Maldives above
Ecuador - another well known and globally active sailing nation... not
Brazil - frankly we were a bit surprised we couldn't find any Brazilian equator related regattas but what the heck... means we're first
So then... Indonesia...
Our regatta will be based out of Nongsa Point Marina on the island of Batam (Google Earth it), just 12nm SSE of Singapore's Changi airport which has direct flights to just about everywhere... there's even a non-stop flight to NYC for cryin' out loud.
Security isn't likely to be a problem... especially if an Indonesian Navy gunboat is at one end of the finish line.
Have a flick through the website.
And before anyone starts ranting about buying an ad... we're thinking bigger than that and will be in touch with Clean real soon.
Posted 11 September 2010 - 02:48 AM
Looks good, but why not go to Clean up front and get it on the Front Page of Anarchy!!
The rest is cool..
Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:35 AM
Any heads up on available charters?
Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:22 AM
(Only joking, hope you have a good regatta).
Posted 16 October 2010 - 12:47 AM
I'm not one to over promise and under deliver but yes there are limited chater opportunities. Drop a note to firstname.lastname@example.com and we'll see what we can do.
Any heads up on available charters?
Posted 16 October 2010 - 04:00 AM
Posted 16 October 2010 - 04:53 AM
because nobody here knows how to get to the mystical "front page" that you speak of. It's like a unicorn, everybody has heard of them, but nobody has actually see one.
Looks good, but why not go to Clean up front and get it on the Front Page of Anarchy!!
Posted 18 October 2010 - 11:02 AM
Posted 29 October 2010 - 07:18 AM
Updates on our Facebook page early next week.
Posted 24 December 2010 - 01:44 AM
its a new world of sailing anarchy, cull, cull, cull!
Posted 25 December 2010 - 12:58 AM
Posted 25 December 2010 - 05:12 AM
USER POLL: Is Legal Eagle a Sockpuppet?
its a new world of sailing anarchy, cull, cull, cull!
The answer to your question would be dependent on your own definition of the term 'Sock Puppet'.
I have taken a position on a number of threads which is designed to expose those behind a grave wrongdoing. In so doing, I have posted certain allegations which are supported by substantive fact. I have posted in my profile factual information which I have elected to share. For certain people, that information is sufficient to identify me.
You on the other hand young lady, have posted in your profile a date of birth and a location which are not factual. You may have a very good reason for this, not least would be a desire to avoid the very personal attacks we have seen launched against those who post in there own name.
I wish you the compliments of the season.
Posted 25 December 2010 - 06:22 AM
And Merry Xmas to all!
Posted 26 December 2010 - 02:16 AM
Dawg or UnderDawg please flick this Legal Eagle asshole. He is destroying a thread about a worthwhile sailing event (sailing, remember that?) and turning it into another episode of philipino monkey shit flinging. Fuck it.
And Merry Xmas to all!
Please refer to my post in what would now appear to be the appropriate thread;
Posted 26 December 2010 - 05:12 AM
2 things I'll mention.
1 Do not even think about buying any form of illicit drug in Batam. It will be a sting and you will go to gaol.
2 I got nothing for Feb. Anybody short a body? Not fit enough for foredeck anymore, not strong enough for pit or sewer. Fluent Bahasa Indo....
Posted 27 December 2010 - 06:19 AM
May have... just been speaking to an owner who's looking to enter his 37footer but is shorthanded. PM me a bit of a "CV" that I can pass on to him.
2 I got nothing for Feb. Anybody short a body? Not fit enough for foredeck anymore, not strong enough for pit or sewer. Fluent Bahasa Indo....
Posted 27 December 2010 - 06:22 AM
Posted 27 December 2010 - 07:14 AM
LE, why not just delete ALL your posts in this thread and start again.
2 things I'll mention.
1 Do not even think about buying any form of illicit drug in Batam. It will be a sting and you will go to gaol.
2 I got nothing for Feb. Anybody short a body? Not fit enough for foredeck anymore, not strong enough for pit or sewer. Fluent Bahasa Indo....
Seems he's got your panties all bunched up Grumps!
Posted 27 December 2010 - 08:06 AM
May have... just been speaking to an owner who's looking to enter his 37footer but is shorthanded. PM me a bit of a "CV" that I can pass on to him.
2 I got nothing for Feb. Anybody short a body? Not fit enough for foredeck anymore, not strong enough for pit or sewer. Fluent Bahasa Indo....
Is Windsikher still looking for crew for Straits Regatta? I know, wrong regatta, but it is the week before and based from same marina and think they were still short before xmas.
Posted 27 December 2010 - 09:48 AM
As of last week I believe so yes. Haven't seent the turbaned one over the weekend.
Is Windsikher still looking for crew
Posted 30 December 2010 - 03:44 AM
Dawg or UnderDawg please flick this Legal Eagle asshole. He is destroying a thread about a worthwhile sailing event (sailing, remember that?) and turning it into another episode of philipino monkey shit flinging. Fuck it.
And Merry Xmas to all!
Eloquently put Pogen.
Looking through, only offensive post I see here is yours.
Pretty sure you just contributed a whole heap to this "worthwhile sailing event" (sailing, remember that?)
Posted 30 December 2010 - 04:09 AM
Sure do.
(sailing, remember that?)
We're chatting the the skippers that have already signed up to ensure everyone understand the OSR Cat3 Regs that are being applied to the Neptune (as they are for the Raja Muda).
I've been working through the tidal data... there's not much readily available and I've had to so back to Admiralty (not-so-)Simple Harmonic Method of Tidal Prediction data to calculate what's available.
What with the seasonal current introduced by the NE Monsoon there will be ~4kn southerly current overnight between Batam and Bintan and a good 2.5kn northerly current on the nose as boats head south during the day. Gonna be a nice challenge for the navigators.
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:05 PM
Good luck to you guys,
Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:38 PM
I've sailed through that area and it's nothing short of beautiful.
Good luck to you guys,
Thanks Cavalier,
We've tried to plan and imagine as many contingencies as we can. Naturally we will have some unforeseen challenges but that's partly the point of participating. You are absolutely correct on the stunning untouched beauty which will reward those that make it. Here's a pic of the uninhabited island that we will be using as the southerly base. Hopefully you'll make it down in the future again:
Posted 05 January 2011 - 01:52 AM
You have 30 10-man (if you're gonna squash in, which ain't the plan) tents made specifically for the regatta.
...and just cos I know you're gonna ask...
yes, this has been crudely photoshopped and...
no, each tent does not come with a scantily clad sailor girl. She's there for a sense of scale and looks nicer than yours truly!
SIs will be published this week.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:28 AM
Posted 11 January 2011 - 09:09 AM
We have a well campaigned Sydney40 entered who, thanks to back to back regattas and Chinese New Year is a little light on crew for the World's First Equator Regatta.
Wouldn't want my fellow Anarchists to miss out on the opportunity to take part, so if you're keen PM me.
Racing is from Tues 1st to Sat 5th Feb in Indonesia, a short ferry ride from Singapore's Changi Airport.
Posted 07 February 2011 - 08:52 AM
Kudo's to the organisers who put on the show and for those that missed this one first time round start planning now for next year - awesome!!!
Posted 07 February 2011 - 09:27 AM
It must have been fun!
Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:49 AM
Posted 07 February 2011 - 01:17 PM
send me a report please! email@example.com
Be careful what you ask for Clean.
Ferret's gonna threaten you with sailing a J24 if you're not careful.
Posted 07 February 2011 - 04:43 PM
Will get something to you but in the meantime have a look at the website's News page and our Facebook page to see what the asian yachting media and the Shellbacks themselves thought of it and feel free to plagerise if you need something sooner rather than later.
send me a report please! firstname.lastname@example.com
I'm obviously biased but it surpassed our own expectations...
No wind on the equator? Try a 12hour kite run down or a 12 and a half hour beat back up each in 15knots of steady breeze.
Getting bored of the same old sailing ground? Try some stunning tropical islands.
Know your local buoyage so well you don't even need a chart? Try the 'Cauldron' of overfalls and whirlpools that can give 2m seas in a dead calm, rocks that differ by hundreds of meters between Admiralty and local charts or squeezing through a poorly charted island passage in failing light to avoid an extra mile and a half....
Windsikher Navigator: "Whatever you do, DON'T come up"
Windsikher Helmsman: "Can I gybe?"
Windiskher Navigator: "NO! Do NOT gybe, whatever you do DON'T GYBE!!"
They got line honours.
Motor yachts AND stinkpots having fun together? Worked perfectly! ALL of them willingly assisted with regatta logistics in ferrying gear and personnel or hosting anchorage parties.
Singapore now boasts a six year old Shellback and her big sister was in tears on the last day cos it was all coming to a close.
Security? Pirates? The first yacht (M.Y. Something Special) approached the first overnight anchorage to be greeted with "...this is IndonesianWarship, IndonesianWarship, IndonesianWarship. You are entering a restricted zone."
That'll be the 20mile exclusion zone they'd set up around us to keep everyone else out...
"Oh you with Neptune Regatta is it? Welcome!"
No accomodation? Build your own camp on an uninhabited island complete with a 60m long high water jetty to unload sampans from, BBQs for breakfast bacon butties... in the world's most populace muslim nation!... 10m long handmade beach bar with so much beer we honestly couldn't drink it all.
Not sure about the locals? The whole fishing village from the next island not only put in some serious hard graft to prepare the camp ground for us, but came over in all their finery to give us a cultural dance display and sing songs they'd written in our honour.
When heading home one of the motor yachts had engine trouble. No problem, two fishing boats towed them line astern 70nm at an aching 2.5-3knots... you do the math... and were happy to do so.
The only yacht to have any real trouble ran aground at the end of the last day trying to take a short cut into the marina where there ain't one. Plenty of folk on hand to assist so no biggy... and he was seen on Day 1 to have a bunch bananas hung from the bimini so go figure...
Just a Mom and Pop cruisey little excursion? In the IRC fleet, two yachts were tied going into the last race and that was decided by 1 second on corrrected (A35 over a Ker32), with a 13year old young lady grinding away at the winning (Men at Work) boat's spinnaker winch all day.
CLEAN, I wanna see YOU there next year matey...
Posted 08 February 2011 - 03:52 AM
Certainly was mate. You've got to join us next year... already drafting round and through the islands routes for next year. Have you popped your Pollywog cherry yet?
The results ended up a bit close - 2 secs for the whole regatta......tight!
It must have been fun!
Posted 19 February 2011 - 01:03 AM
Thanks mate.
So then folks, you've seen the report so whadaya think?
Posted 07 September 2011 - 09:17 AM
Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:52 AM
The 2012 Neptune is less than 4 weeks away - racing to the equator again...
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All the side streets in LoDo just a few blocks from the ballpark provide 2 hour metered parking spots. A quarter will get you 15 minutes and if you have 8 you can stretch your stay to two hours. Clint Hurdle decided to park on the street today and fumbled with the pile of change in his pocket only to pull out 6 nickels. The way the season has been going so far it looked like it would be enough to beat the parking police.
As it turned out, 6 nickels was far from enough on a day when he could have used all 8 quarters as the game ran 3 hours and 1 minute, 6 Rockies pitchers, and 7 of the Phillies 8 runs were scored with 2 outs.
Hurdle's 18 minutes worth was once again provided by the power hitting of his lineup – today it was Tulowitski going deep to left for his 3rd homer run in as many games, a 2 run blast by Garrett Atkins in the 2nd, and a solo shot by Barmes. Phillies' pitcher Brett Myers was little phased as he went on to win his 5th career appearance at Coors Field (5-0 career starts). By the end of 7 complete innings, Myers had given up 4 runs on 4 hits, with 6Ks and just 1 walk.
Ryan Spilborghs smashed another double giving him 5 on the year and a major league lead in the category. Spilborghs has been a real bright spot since starting every day for the first time in his career going 7-18 in the first 5 games.
Unfortunately, having now experienced a once around of the Rockies' starting rotation, we have come back to the same old starting point – Pitching, Pitching, Pitching… and the 5th game left more questions for fans than the first game in Arizona just a week ago.
The game was a mess this evening because the pitching was a mess. Was this a throw away for the coaching staff ?
Jorge De La Rosa started the game pitching just 4.2 innings giving up 5 runs on 6 hits, 2 walks and 3 strikeouts. De La Rosa's numbers, however, don't speak to the performance. Jorge never got in a groove and looked tired early in the 2nd. He threw way too many pitches in getting the paltry 14 outs he registered. With the proverbial deer in the headlight stare, we are left with a simple question, "Who should have been optioned to Colorado Springs? Morales or De La Rosa?
Fans were then treated to a flurry of nickels from Hurdles change drawer as we watched Speier. Hammel, Grilli, Street, and Corpas throw and throw and throw. Like I said, "What a mess."
I guess after Speier, Hurdle decided., "What the hell….let's take a look at our new guy and just let Hammel pitch." The problem with that was, Hurdle just grabbed another nickel – Hammel either threw high and to the right or low and to the left for most of his 2.2 innings giving up a home run, 5 hits, 2 runs and chalking up only 1 strike out. Clearly Hammels wasn't ready for Coors Field.
Grilli – forget it.
Street? Jury is still out since 1 sub par performance is not enough to pass judgment, however, pitching just .2 innings, Street gave up 3 more hits and another run, striking out 1 for his 2nd and final out on the day.
I guess after fumbling for quarters all evening, Hurdle finally pulled one out of his pocket giving the ball to Corpas to register the last out of a long, long game.
As I've said for the last 2 weeks, who are these guys? Hammels, Street, and Belisle – the newest additions to a questionable pitching staff. After last night, I am still saying, "Who are these guys?.
Next up – back to the first – Aaron Cook and the final game of a 3 game series Sunday afternoon at Coors Field vs. Chan Ho Park and the Philadelphia Phillies.
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At approximately 14:00 on Friday 1 August 2014, a 20 year old male, Mathew Smithers was bitten by a Great White Shark at Muizenberg Beach while surfing. The victim sustained serious injuries to both his legs.
The purpose of the review is to establish:
- The facts and ensure that the correct information is provided to authorities and the public
- Assess whether any reasonable actions could have been done to prevent the attack
- Identify areas / aspects that need to be improved to reduce the chance of further incidents
- Identify areas / aspects that need to be improved upon to ensure the most effective emergency and rescue response after an attack
- Provide a detailed account of the events for the record
The information contained in this report is derived from a process of eye-witness interviews and accounts, in depth interview and discussion with the victim, analysis of CCTV footage, collation of information and timelines, inputs from specialists and the collection of physical data from the surfboard, injuries sustained and environmental information. In compiling the information consideration is given to the fact that witness accounts vary to some degree, as is expected following a traumatic event.
Muizenberg Beach located on the False Bay coastline is one of Cape Town's most popular and utilised beaches, locally recognised as the best place to learn to surf. As a result Muizenberg Beach supports a number of commercial surf schools and associated businesses. On any given day, water users can number in excess of 300.
Since 1960 there have been 30 shark attacks in Cape Town, on average 1 every second year. The last shark attack at Muizenberg was in 2004 on JP Andrew, and the last shark attack in Cape Town was in April 2012.
Muizenberg Beach is a known White Shark habitat with high numbers of animals recorded in the inshore area annually between the summer months of September and May. Shark presence during the winter months in the inshore area is rare, but not exceptional, as we do have records of shark presence during this time since monitoring began 10 years ago.
The victim was in the water for approx. 30 min before the attack happened. There were 3-4 people within a 30 m radius of him. The shark approached the victim from behind, below the waterline and from the left hand side. The victim did not see the shark before the attack. The shark forcefully struck the bottom of the surfboard, pushing the board and victim lying on top of it, sideways. This strike resulted in the shark's lower jaw puncturing the bottom of the surfboard deeply, and the top jaw puncturing the victim's legs and left thigh. This action caused the victim to be knocked off his board into the water – he was not thrown 3m into the air. He was in the water for a few seconds before he got back on his board. Following this initial strike, the victim says the shark circled him once before swimming away and eyewitnesses confirm that the shark swam towards the victim again before swimming away. The bottom of the surfboard received the brunt force of the strike. The species of shark responsible is confirmed to be a Great White Shark (Carcharodon carcharias). Based on the size of the spaces or interdental distance (IDD) between the teeth punctures left on the surfboard the shark is estimated to be 4.4 m in length.
Prior to the attack, the shark was seen by a Stand-Up Paddle Boarder (SUP) who indicated that the animal approached from the east (Sunrise Beach) side. The Stand-Up Paddle Boarder was initially unsure at the time whether he had seen a whale or a shark and had assumed due to the size that it was probably a whale
At the time of the attack, according to Shark Spotter records, there were 63 surfers and SUP's in the water.
Following the initial strike, the victim started paddling towards shore. A friend came to assist him and they swapped boards before he caught a wave inshore and was then assisted to shore by other water users.
The victim sustained multiple lacerations and deep puncture wounds to his upper legs above the knees and an avulsion to the left thigh.
The victim as well as witnesses in the water at the time indicated that they had been surfing in front of the Muizenberg Pavilion and approximately in line with Bailey's Cottage. The attack took place behind the surf backline approximately 350-450m from shore.
Photograph taken at approx. 14h30 from the Shark Spotters lookout on Boyes Drive. Shows the approximate attack location and spotting conditions. Cloud cover (100%).
At the time of the attack, there was a light (4-6 knots) SE (onshore) wind, the sea surface was calm with a swell of 3-4ft from the SSW, and the cloud cover was 100% with a general haze in the air. The water temperature was 13 °C and moon phase: 26.7% illumination. The Shark Spotters were flying the black flag as spotting conditions were poor. Eyewitnesses in the water within 20 m of the victim report a large school of 'harders' in the area.
Immediately following the attack the victim started paddling towards shore. His friend who was surfing with him paddled towards him and they swapped boards as his friends board was bigger than the victims. Once on the new board the victim caught a wave to shore where he was assisted through the surf and out of the water by other people who were in the water with him. Initial medical treatment was provided by members of the public who stemmed the blood flow by tying a tourniquet using a surfboard leash and covering the victim with a space blanket. The victim was positioned with his head down-slope to reduce bleeding. Emergency services and paramedics took over when they arrived on scene approximately 20 minutes after the victim had reached the beach. He was stabilised on the beach before being airlifted to Vincent Palloti Hospital. NSRI Simonstown volunteers, CMR paramedics and a CMR ambulance, City of Cape Town Environmental Resource Management, Shark Spotters management, the SA Police Services, WC Government Health EMS, City of Cape Town Law Enforcement, City of Cape Town Fire and Rescue Services and the Red Cross AMS Skymed helicopter responded and were on scene within 20 minutes.
The Shark Spotters were flying the black flag due to very poor spotting conditions. There was 100% cloud cover combined with a general haze in the air. The attack also happened in front of Muizenberg Pavilion, 1km down the beach from the mountain spotters' location. Under these conditions shark sightings are extremely difficult if not impossible.
A number of eye witness accounts, and the duty shark spotters, confirm the following:
- The shark was not seen by the shark spotter prior to the attack
- The shark spotter did not witness the attack
- The first person to have seen the shark, although the witness in this case confirms that he was unsure as to whether it was a whale or shark, and who exited the water prior to the attack, could not find the beach spotter.. He maintains, however, that he would not have asked for the siren to be activated but wanted the Spotter to investigate what he had seen.
- A second surfer who exited the water after seeing the shark attack made his way to the ablution block and on finding the shark spotter indicated that he had just seen a shark attack.
- A further witness confirmed that when the alarm was initially set, it tripped and had to be re-set at the electricity mains.
- The time between the first sighting of the shark in the surf (where the witness was unsure whether it was a whale or shark) and the actual setting of the alarm is estimated at 10 minutes
- The time between the attack and the setting of the alarm is estimated at 3-4 minutes
- Once the alarm had been set, the shark spotter followed protocol and:
- Raised the white shark flags
- Radioed information to all spotters on duty and the project manager, who informed the relevant authorities via telephone and sms as per emergency protocol
- Ensured that the water was cleared of all surfers and water users
- A specialist team from Shark Spotters and the City's ERMD collected eyewitness statements, measured environmental conditions, interpreted the behaviour of the shark and determined the size of the shark based on the bite pattern on the surfboard.
The following timeline has been established from an analysis of the CCTV footage and interviews
- 13:56.30 SUP surfer who had been surfing off the Pavilion exits the surf and unsuccessfully attempts to find the shark spotter as he had seen an animal in the surf that might have been a shark
- 14:01.53 Surfer comes running towards the ablution block shouting that there had been an attack
- 14:02.30 Siren activated but trips power after short blast as victim is being carried up the beach
- 14:05 Siren successfully activated – victim now on the beach – and shark spotters attack protocol initiated.
It is concluded with a high degree of confidence that the attack took place at 14:00 and that it is highly unlikely that there was sufficient time to clear the surf from the time of the first confirmed sighting and the attack.
At 14:11 the Disaster Risk Management Department sent a SMS notification to all relevant City staff confirming the shark attack and its location. The City's Environmental Resource Management Department (ERMD), Law Enforcement and Fire and Rescue Services immediately responded to the area and were on scene within 20 minutes.
On arrival:
- The area surrounding the victim was cleared of the public
- A safe area was allocated for the helicopter to land
- Beaches in the surrounding vicinity were closed
- A media statement was issued by the City
- Witness contact details were collected
- Victims surfboard was collected for assessment
- The victim's family was contacted and assured that he was under expert care and in no immediate dang
Shark activity at Muizenberg
Since the Shark Spotting programme started in 2004, 770 shark sightings have been recorded in Muizenberg. The last shark sighting in Muizenberg was on the 8 May 2014. Shark sightings show a strong seasonal peak in spring and summer, and winter months are typically times of very low white shark activity along the inshore areas of False Bay. However, in the last few days there was been summer conditions in Cape Town with light to strong SE blowing.
The tracking research and shark spotters' data over the last 10 years has shown a very clear seasonal peak in white shark sightings from September-April, with very low sightings over winter months. During autumn and winter months the male and female white sharks tend to aggregate around Seal Island where they predate on seals. During spring and summer months the males typically move out of False Bay and disperse along the southern African coastline, while many of the female sharks start spending much for time closer to shore near beaches. This is either due to favourable water conditions such as warmer waters, or due to the increase in abundance and availability of fish and other shark prey. However, there is always variation in these patterns.
Of note, there had been onshore winds (south east) blowing in False Bay over the last week, including on Friday with un-seasonally warm weather. Eyewitnesses also reported large schools of baitfish in the area where it happened. It's possible these conditions were favourable for shark presence at that time. It is very important to remember that white sharks are present year round in False Bay, and although we understand some behaviour and what drives movement, they are large, highly adaptable, and mobile predators.
Shark behaviour
White sharks are large, confident and opportunistic predators. In this case the sharks' behaviour as described by eyewitnesses and from examination of the board are indicative of a typical bite and release strategy. The initial strike was likely predatory in nature given the force of the strike, but after it bit into a foreign object, namely a hard fibreglass surf board and neoprene wetsuit, it released and then did an investigatory pass, before swimming away. These kinds of single bite attacks are recognised as mistaken identity attacks.
Shark Signage and flags
The City has deployed Shark Smart information signs across its coastline in 2010. These signs have been installed at all nodal points including Muizenberg. A Shark Spotter and Be Shark Smart are positioned at the main entrances to Muizenberg beach. Two Shark Spotters flags were raised, one on either side of the Muizenberg huts.
- The shark spotters did not see the shark before the attack
- The shark spotters did not see the attack itself
- This is due to a combination of the distance the victim was surfing from the corner, the direction from which the shark approached the surfers, the depth of the water and the environmental conditions of the day
- As soon as the spotter had been notified of the attack standard protocol was initiated.
- Care, support and immediate first-aid assistance by the public was exceptional
- Emergency response by NSRI Simonstown volunteers, CMR paramedics and ambulance and the Red Cross AMS Skymed helicopter was exceptional and of the highest standard
- The City Emergency SMS notification system functioned optimally.
- City officials from a range of relevant line departments were on scene within 20 minutes
- All beach closures and protocols worked optimally
- Collation of information and witness accounts and contact details was effective and optimal
- Of concern however, was the difficulty members of the public had in locating the shark spotter and notifying them that there may be a shark in the area. Visibility to the public of duty spotter on the beach is an essential component of the safety system and this must be improved
- Control of the helicopter landing area was not optimal and could be improved
- The shark spotter on beach duty must be clearly visible and accessible at all times to the public. This is essential and needs to be improved
- More public awareness and education needed about the field of view of the Shark Spotters i.e. it is very difficult to see past the Shark Spotters flagpole which is positioned on the northern side of Surfers Corner. Signage in this regard should be considered
- Within the programme, the more confident individuals must be selected to assume beach duty, undergo extensive emergency response training and be trained to assume control of the crisis situation between the attack and the arrival of emergency services or City staff.
- Shark Spotters to conduct "shark attack" training exercises to ensure staff are regularly trained in dealing with crisis management
- Improved control of helicopter landing area by City officials
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I have a friend who owns a flying school in Western Australia as he has instructors in the air a lot of the time they have been contracted to do their training over the surf zone and relay spottings to the lifeguards on the beach by radio,kind of makes sense,also given the amount of people using Muizenburg and the relatively high amount of spottings it warrants an inflatable boat being out there at least over peak times
agreed- there are many people who fly over these beaches in microlights daily- perhaps they could provide data…?
This is just a thank you to the shark spotters and all the emergency services that took part that day. We were just about to suit up as the siren went off. I feel allot safer after seeing how the rescue crews performed on the day.
I was very impressed by the way you have approached this issue from the point of view of safety procedures for the public and with the rational way you have looked at this incident. I am also aware of the amount of time and effort it takes to maintain and improve procedures. This approach minimises public hysteria which can otherwise easily take hold. Keep up the good work. Tim Hookins. Chair. Paddlensw.org.au. Sydney
I suggest the shark spotter program gets support to have a boat or wet bike patrol the beach, especially when the sharks are inshore! Would be pretty easy to set up, and may deter and allow for better sighting.
I have been suggesting this since JP incident for Muizenberg.
63 people in the water on a Friday indicates quite a popular spot? Lots of tourists and beginners, may be worth getting support from the city?
Kudos to Shark Spotters in their detailed investigation. Most importantly for being self-critical and finding areas for improvement. This shows a proactive learning organization. These same behaviors are emphasized in the Nuclear Industry that I have worked in for the last 30 years and any critical organization. I am truly impressed that Shark Spotters mirrors this behavior!
What about using cheap drones (quadcopters)
Kudos to Shark Spotters in their detailed investigation. Most importantly for being self-critical and finding areas for improvement. This shows a proactive learning organization. These same behaviors are emphasized in the Nuclear Industry that I have worked in for the last 30 years and any critical organization. I am truly impressed that Shark Spotters mirrors this behavior!I'm not just blowing smoke. This type of behavior is usually only seen in Military, Police, Nuclear, etc…You should be proud!
Build look-out tower mid beach … Will help shark spotters.
I would suggest erecting a hut for the beach based shark spotter, not to act as a spotter but to ensure the can be contacted easily – they are the only link between the people on the beach (who in an emergency like this may not have access to cell phones) and the spotters on the mountain and ultimately quick response emergency services if required.
A clearly marked hut that everyone knows the location of (even with a flag of it's own so people can find it faster in an emergency) would go a long way to minimising the time required to alert the shark spotters, launch an investigation and clear the water if required.
Why not use sonar to pick up sharks like in Australia? Then you don't need shark spotters.
Another way of improving effectiveness is to have a back-up loud hailer thingy – the type that is used at contests – in case the power trips or Eskom is on the blink.
Otherwise we really appreciate the work being done by the spotters….they never get recognized for the amount of times that they potentially save lives by raising the alarm – people are generally miffed that they have to get out the water….
Hi, thanks for a great report, answered most things. I have a question though,how often is it that the Spotters cannot see a shark/s if in the vicinity of the Pavilion, that is my preferred place to surf. Also, assuming we will never know what happened to the illusive Shark Spotter who was found in the office??
Hi Martin,
i just would like to point out that when the visibility is good and the green flag is up, the chances of NOT spotting a shark or other marine animal is pretty slim. Having sighted sharks over the years from the Mountain side whilst hiking, i can attest to this.
the black flag should be considered when surfing. this indicates low or no visibility and thus responsibility is entirely upon the water user. the spotters simply provide us with guidelines that we can select wether to follow or not. sadly in situations such as this, when people seek to lay blame, it is only upon the water users who did not listen to the black flag warnings. a chance we all take when the surf is good.
the spotters provide an invaluable service regardless.
Hi, thanks for the great report, clears up most things. i do have a question though. The Top Spotters, how often is it that they will not be able to see a shark/s in the area slightly down the beach, basically where the attack took place. That is my area of preference on most days. Also, i take it we will never know what illusive Shark Spotter was doing or was not at their post??. Keep up the great work.
The elevated pavilion walkway would provide a reasonable vantage point to triangulate with the Boyes Drive lookout site
Can you tell me what sized board the surfer was using at the time of the attack? There is a general feeling among surfers that long boarders are safer than short boarders due to the animal's natural instincts of self- preservation.
Why is it that the sharks are not tagged ? I am sure with the new technology it should not be too difficult to tag and releas release ? It would probably be costly , but it's worth a consideration for safety and research purposes .
Very insightful report that highlights the effectiveness of Shark Spotters along with the numerous response services under the CTCC jurisdiction.
I would add to the recommendation, since there is such a high portion & frequency of water uses in the Muizenberg area, that year round dedicated Life Guards and and tower facilities be provided for to assist with immediate beach trauma response service along side the SS program.
Well done to all, I understand that Smithers is due for hospital release to today and wish him a speedy recovery.
Excellent recommendation Jamii. When discussing in-shore shark activity, I would go as far as to say that the spotters should be regarded as no more than a supplementary service and that the services of permanent, trained lifeguards should, in fact, be the primary source of any future investment. Not only are they trained to deal with instances like what happened, but I maintain that they would likely have a better all-round understanding and knowledge of conditions that would constitute an "unsafe" beach environment – the threat of sharks being just one of element thereof.
Thanks Martin. Just to expand the discussion.
The Sharks Spotters program as I understand, is partly funded by CCT, but was founded and sustained largely dependent upon fundraising and donations etc. (I do feel that the Shark Cage Diving operators could made a percentage of their earns available to the SS Program, but that is not the topic of this discuss.)
I stand to be corrected that most of the spotters have little surfing or beach-going background and are trained and employed specifically for that function of the SS program to observe, identify and warn of danger, lastly to activate emergency services if needed.
Similarly lifeguards are trained for water safety supervisions and to activate 'response protocols' to provide water assistance, first aid or initial trauma response until emergency services take over, or in certain instances would require the metro police assistance for crowd control etc.
Unlike KZN that has full time lifeguards year round, Cape Town lifeguard service is 'seasonal'and the City of Cape Town co-supports the WP Lifeguard Association to ensure the water safety of identified CT beaches daily during the summer peak season, with public holiday or weekend service only during summer terms yet no service after Easter until Spring Holidays.
For Muizenberg (due to the higher year round usage) I feel there is merit and growing motivation to have full time lifeguards available to assist with water safety and work in conjunction with the SS Program.
However, contrary to general opinion, is should be understood that each of these organizations have a limitation to their functional duty and services they offer until greater funding is provided for training, resources and restructuring to facilitate a higher service.
Spot on.
It is clear that both SS and guards both have their place when it comes to the threat of sharks in False Bay. In fact, they could compliment one another excellently.
But what patently clear is that the relative over-funding of the SS and relative under-funding of lifeguarding and its ancillary services in the Western Cape is something that requires urgent discussion at CCT level. From my vantage point it seems the CCT has thrown their entire lot in with the SS in the hope that it somehow becomes a magic bullet for ocean safety in False Bay when, in fact, many other (I would contend) more "professional" services bear closer scrutiny.
thank you for this, I have twice experienced insufficient support from the spotters on the beach. I would also like to know if the spotters are using binoculars with polarised lenses and can you please address the lack of medical supplies at the beach. thanks
Nice work Gregg and thanks for the information.
We would like to somehow be part of this project. Our collection teams often dive odd places for certain thing. Please contact our admin division with regards to this..
Our front desk staff can also forward to to the relevant people.
Time to put up Shark Nets…….!!! Forget about the Tree Huggers, or do what they do in Western Australia, kill the Great Whites every time there is an attack, stop shark cage diving – just saying !!
I am an Australian and have heard a lot about what they are doing in WA and have spent much time there. It has been unsuccessful using drum lines and it kills smaller sharks that are not causing the problems. The problem sharks are more than often larger than 3 meters and come in from deep and then leave again quickly. Drum lines have caught no shark of this size to my knowledge in WA.
Netting basically kills everything. These are blanket solutions that create more issue than they resolve.
I too am a surfer (last surfed muizenberg 2weeks ago) and want to be safe in the water but researching, tagging and finding out more about these animals needs to become a priority as little is know. This is not an issue exclusive to SA but need to be something addressed world wide.
I wish this surfer all the best in his recovery.
Or keep the humans who have no respect for the shark out of the water?
Hi there,
Could a wooden structure like a lifeguard hut on stilts be built affordablly on the section of beach beyind the pavilion for permanent lifeguard and sharkspotters station to review the waters.


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In addition, the committee must present two reports to the Senate Ways and Means and House Finance Committees. The first, a preliminary report, was presented to the Legislature on November 30, 2007. The second and final report is due by September 1, 2008.
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Description Tiny vole with drab buff to ash-gray pelage that is lax, long, and dense. Base of hairs are dark gray. Tail is short, indistinctly bicolored with a dusky line above, and silvery white to buff below. Feet are white or light gray to pale buff, with six plantar tubercles.
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The Royal Reign of Sir Jack Splash
If there is one artist who completely embodies the term "renaissance man", it's the Miami-cum-LA producer/artist, Jack Splash. Long hot on the "Sir Jack tip" since hearing a few demos early last year, a proper sit-down with the dude who makes me hit play, and repeat, more often than not was a chance to get into the mind of a true millennial master.
Oft-compared to a hybrid lovechild of Prince and Outkast, Splash is not shy to show his passion and dedication to his impressive collection of works, most of which he's dished out for free in anticipation of his full length album, Technology and Love Might Save Us All. Let's dive in and, yep, make a splash with super cool and cordial dude.
SB: Since we've been going back and forth on Twitter, I figured why not do a proper interview and help spread the word a little bit more?
JS: Cool, I really appreciate that. Your real name is Hannah?
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Junior Ezdean Fassassi and other members of the Sympoh breakdancing group will perform in the group's annual spring show, "Mission: Sympossible," Thursday through Saturday, April 20-22, at the Frist Campus Center theater.
At left: Sympoh's performances include freestyle breakdancing, hip-hop, popping, martial arts and acrobatics. Members of the group recently practiced their skills at FitFest 2006 in Dillon Gym, including (from left) seniors Sameer Shariff, Chris Bohn and Antonina Savostyanova.
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Sympoh Urban Arts Crew, a student breakdancing group, will perform its annual spring show, "Mission: Sympossible," at 8 p.m. Thursday through Saturday, April 20-22, at the Frist Campus Center theater. A matinee performance also is scheduled for 2 p.m. April 22.
"Mission: Sympossible" will feature a mix of freestyle breakdancing, hip-hop, popping, martial arts, acrobatics, comedy and a live breakdance battle. The show also will include guest appearances by the Princeton Juggling Club, the Black Arts Company and the Sesame Street Crew. A video trailer for the performance is available online.
Sympoh was founded in 1999 by four Princeton students looking to create an outlet for the urban arts on campus. The group has grown in size and now incorporates a wide range of styles and forms to complement its breakdancing foundation.
Sympoh performs several freestyle events every month and an annual breakdancing battle in addition to its spring show.
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Our twin turbine-propeller powered Otter does one last lazy loop over the Innu caribou camp, on the rugged western edge of Mistastin Lake in northwestern Labrador, before heading into the late morning brightness for the 45-minute flight east to Nain, the northernmost town (population about 1,200) of any size in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The charter aircraft, which flew up from Goose Bay (about a 90-minute flight southeast), had landed about 15 minutes earlier on a high, narrow gravel strip situated on a glacial esker about a kilometre or so west of the camp, as the raven flies.
There were two ways to reach the crude landing strip: either by a 10-15 minute boat ride from the camp followed by a 600-metre hike up a meandering trail from the water's edge; or, if you were feeling really ambitious, it was possible to trek through the Canadian Shield country with its patches of boreal forest and muskeg to the landing strip. Three of us did the hike on that stunning sun-soaked morning.
I was homeward bound after having spent a week in late September with six other visitors (three of whom were staying for another week, along with four new guests, at the camp) from the outside world, plus our guides, searching for migrating caribou from the George River herd — in recent years, but no longer, the world's largest heard of barrenground caribou (Rangifer tarandus groenlandicus).
Caribou scarce
Although we did see some other wild creatures, in particular a couple of black bears and porcupine, and plenty of wolf and caribou tracks, we didn't encounter any live caribou.
But, for me, that didn't dampen the satisfaction (and privilege) of hiking, canoeing at one point and taking photographs in this alluring yet harsh and humbling slice of the Big Land.
Images from the past week flooded through my mind as I gazed out from the plane's small oval window upon a remote and majestic meteorite-created lake — one of the largest 30 known meteor craters in the world, with a diameter of 28 kilometres, according to geologists.
"It is comparable to many of the larger impact craters on the moon (150-200 kilometres in diameter) when scaled for gravity differences," said a report issued in September 2009 from the Centre for Planetary Science and Exploration, University of Western Ontario, after 10-day reconnaissance investigation into the region.
"This intermediate-size crater, formed by a meteorite impact 36 million years ago, still exhibits a distinct rim and central uplift. The lake's rounded central island is interpreted to be the central uplift of the complex crater structure. The Mistastin Lake Crater, Labrador, offers a unique opportunity to understand the effects of shock on impacted materials, and to understand the origin and emplacement of impact ejecta."
This was my sixth visit — including two trips to the Churchill Northern Studies Centre to see the polar bears (in the fall of 2010) and then the beluga whales for five days in July 2011 — to Canada's fabled and fabulous North.
Rugged terrain
Several years ago, I was in a party of six that spent two weeks hiking through the sweeping glaciers, fast-moving streams and rivers, and jagged granite mountains in Auyuittuq National Park on southeastern Baffin Island. We crossed the Arctic Circle at one point.
In 2006, I was on a two-week canoe trip with several other people on the Clarke and Thelon rivers into the Thelon Wildlife Sanctuary — a world heritage site — in the N.W.T. and Nunavut. Then, three years later, I returned north for a week to an outfitter's former camp amidst the beautiful barrengrounds of Baker Lake, Nunavut, where it meets Chesterfield Inlet.
We encountered plenty of caribou around Baker Lake, as well as muskox and various bird species, including raptors and sandhill cranes, plus a pestilence of black-flies and mosquitoes.
Now, here I was looking for caribou again' but in a different part of northern Canada.
"The camp was built as an eco-tourism camp by the Innu," said our outfitter.
"But it's been used as a private camp for hunting and fishing and going out on the land for themselves. This site has a reputation for being one of the most consistent places for caribou."
He had leased the camp, or Kamestastin Lodge (the alternative Innu name for Mistastin Lake), from the Sheshatshiu Innu First Nation for a two-week period during the caribou's fall migration.
Formerly known as the Naskapi-Montagnais Indians, the Innu are an Algonkian-speaking people whose homeland (Nitassinan) is the eastern portion of the Quebec-Labrador peninsula, notes information on the band's website.
The word "Innu" means "human being"; and the Innu language is called "Innu-aimun." Today there are more than 16,000 Innu who live in 11 communities in Quebec and two in Labrador — Sheshatshiu and Utshimassit, on an island off the north coast of Labrador.
The impressive 10-sided central lodge — whose interior space currently houses snowmobiles, chairs, doors, paint, window frames and all sorts of other sundry items — was constructed by community members under the guidance of volunteer Mennonite log home builders from Ontario and Saskatchewan.
The thick logs used in constructing the lodge were airlifted in by Hercules aircraft.
Meanwhile, the lodge's central dining area, or where it is supposed to be, overlooks the caribou migration path along the lakeshore.
Three wooden guest cabins, with two or three single bunk beds and a wood-burning stove, were our homes for the week. A cozy central cook shack was where we ate our hearty meals, all prepared by the amiable and competent camp staff — Dan, Jaime, Graham, Adele — with occasional surprise desert concoctions from a guest or two.
Twin outhouses served as our toilet facilities. Graham, a farm boy from Saskatchewan, even built a semi-enclosed shower facility from plywood sheets and various spare parts, with water pumped in from the lake. I tried it once.
Before I left on the trip, a wildlife biologist sent me a recent report on the alarming decline of caribou numbers in Labrador.
"A survey conducted this summer by the Ministre des Ressources naturelles et de la Faune (MRNF), in partnership with the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador Department of Environment and Conservation, the Institute for Environmental Monitoring and Research and the Torngat Wildlife Board, shows that the George River caribou herd population has fallen to new lows," said an article, "Decline of the George River Caribou Herd," in the Nunatsiaq News.
"The survey confirms an ongoing decline of the George River migratory caribou herd population over the past few years. This population is now estimated to be composed of 27,600 animals which represents about a third of the estimations of two years ago. In 2001 the population size was estimated to be around 385,000.
In the late 1980s, there were 800,000 caribou in the herd, according to Terry French, minister of environment and conservation, who was quoted in the article.
"We have not yet seen the bottom of this current decline," he said.
Even if the exact cause of this spectacular decline is uncertain, changes in the quality and quantity of food is believed to be one of the driving factors, say scientists.
Other factors that might have contributed to this decline include predation, disease, parasites and climate change.
In an earlier CBC report (Aug. 20, 2012), wildlife biologist Dr. Steve Cote of Laval University, who specializes in studying the George River caribou and the neighbouring Leaf River caribou in Quebec, said he doubts hunting started the decline of the George River caribou herd.
But he added the governments of Newfoundland and Labrador and Quebec permitted high levels of hunting on the herd while the population was falling rapidly, which may have contributed to low numbers.
Consultations between government, aboriginal groups and other stakeholders to seek input on the management of the herd are underway.
"Where are the caribou?" writes Pierre Berton in his book, "The Mysterious North: Encounters with the Canadian Frontier 1947-54" (McClelland and Stewart Inc., 1956).
"Have you seen the caribou? One of the great mysteries of the north (is) the erratic caribou."
In other words, caribou set their own schedule — one dictated by the eternal needs of calving and feeding.
For instance, they tend to migrate past Kamestastin Lodge over a four- to six-week period each spring and fall, say the studies. So, seeing them is really a hit-and-miss affair.
Led by the competent and attentive camp staff, we dressed in layers during our daily hikes on the tundra and sparse taiga. We often followed the narrow, well-worn paths trodden by caribou over the centuries.
While the caribou were conspicuous by their absence, we did see their split hoof tracks in the soil and sand, as well as those of wolves and bears, plus fresh scat (droppings) from those creatures.
On one occasion, during an afternoon hike, an adult black bear barrelled past us on a ridge about 200 metres away. It must have been startled by our presence and/or caught our scent. It was obvious: the galloping bruin wanted to be as far away as possible from these noisy, two-legged intruders.
The ancient rocks were covered in lichen, shrubs, mosses and small colourful herbaceous plants.
Wild blueberries and red partridgeberries (as known as lingonberry or wild cranberry) were plentiful and ripe. They could be, and were, eaten right from the bush. Camp staff prepared mouth-watering cheesecake and made fresh compote from those sweet indigo and tart-tasting red berries.
We occasionally came upon roped-off archeological sites clustered at crossing sites, and caribou antlers scattered across the rocky landscape.
Recent Innu campsites are frequently decorated with caribou antlers hung in trees to please, as their tradition dictates, the caribou god Kanapanakasikueu.
On clear nights, as the cold wind blasted across the tundra, chilling our cheeks and rattling the cabins, we huddled by a big bonfire prepared by camp staff. We watched in wonder as the emerald and red aurora borealis (northern lights) flickered magnetically across the heavens.
The avid photographers in our group took many splendid photos of the grandeur before us, including of the exquisite sunsets and sunrises.
Before dinner one evening, Bruce, a retired chemist from Perth, Ont., and I took a camp canoe and paddled down to the mouth, and then just around the bend, of the nearby Mistastin River.
A massive, curving pre-Cambrian rock face, with forested flanks, created a canyon-like ambience.
We rested for a few minutes in its prehistoric, silent shadow.
What a country.
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Re: seed saving illegal
The point of the bill is to protect your rights, not to change an existing law, from what I can tell. This is becoming an issue because of the current potential for problems with companies holding patents. If a bill of rights protects growers, this means the onus is on companies that produce the patented seed qualities to insure their patented genetics don't get spread about for free by pollination. I think it's a good idea for all states to have these laws in place. It'll force what I think is a very important ecological issue. These super-breeds of plants with animal and insect genetics, etc. could cause serious damage to the environment and push out native plants and a lot of diversity. They should not be able to reproduce easily.
I suggest you contact someone in your state legislature for clarification and perhaps find out ways you can help to secure this bill.
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Re: seed saving illegal
SugarMagnolia wrote:
Seed saving is illegal.
.........its hard to get away with anything.
Oh no it isn't!!!...............I get away with it all the time..............catch me if you can!!!!!!!!!!