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The quince (/ˈkwɪns/; Cydonia oblonga) is the sole member of the genus Cydonia in the family Rosaceae (which also contains apples and pears, among other fruits). It is a small deciduous tree that bears a pome fruit, similar in appearance to a pear, and bright golden-yellow when mature. Throughout history the cooked fruit has been used as food, but the tree is also grown for its attractive pale pink blossoms and other ornamental qualities.
The tree grows 5 to 8 metres (16 to 26 ft) high and 4 to 6 metres (13 to 20 ft) wide. The fruit is 7 to 12 centimetres (2.8 to 4.7 in) long and 6 to 9 centimetres (2.4 to 3.5 in) across.
It is native to rocky slopes and woodland margins in South-West Asia, Turkey and Iran[2] although it thrives in a variety of climates and can be grown successfully at latitudes as far north as Scotland. It should not be confused with its relatives, the Chinese quince, Pseudocydonia sinensis, or the flowering quinces of genus Chaenomeles, either of which is sometimes used as culinary substitutes.
The immature fruit is green with dense grey-white pubescence, most of which rubs off before maturity in late autumn when the fruit changes color to yellow with hard, strongly perfumed flesh. The leaves are alternately arranged, simple, 6–11 cm (2–4 in) long, with an entire margin and densely pubescent with fine white hairs. The flowers, produced in spring after the leaves, are white or pink, 5 cm (2 in) across, with five petals.
Quince is used as a food plant by the larvae of some Lepidoptera species including brown-tail, Bucculatrix bechsteinella, Bucculatrix pomifoliella, Coleophora cerasivorella, Coleophora malivorella, green pug and winter moth.
Four other species previously included in the genus Cydonia are now treated in separate genera. These are Pseudocydonia sinensis and the three flowering quinces of eastern Asia in the genus Chaenomeles. Another unrelated fruit, the bael, is sometimes called the "Bengal quince".
The fruit was known to the Akkadians, who called it supurgillu; Arabic سفرجل al safarjal "quinces" (collective plural).[3] The modern name originated in the 14th century as a plural of quoyn, via Old French cooin from Latin cotoneum malum / cydonium malum, ultimately from Greek κυδώνιον μῆλον, kydonion melon "Kydonian apple".
In Europe, quinces are commonly grown in central and southern areas where the summers are sufficiently hot for the fruit to fully ripen. They are not grown in large amounts; typically one or two quince trees are grown in a mixed orchard with several apples and other fruit trees: so were they grown in the 18th-century New England colonies, where there was always a quince at the lower corner of the vegetable garden, Ann Leighton notes in records of Portsmouth, New Hampshire and Newburyport, Massachusetts.[4] Charlemagne directed that quinces be planted in well-stocked orchards. Quinces in England are first recorded in about 1275, when Edward I had some planted at the Tower of London.[5]
The cultivar 'Vranja' Nenadovic has gained the Royal Horticultural Society's Award of Garden Merit.[7]
|Top producers of quince - 2012
|Metric tons
|World total
In food[edit]
Some varieties of quince, such as 'Aromatnaya' and 'Kuganskaya' do not require cooking and can be eaten raw.[9] However, most varieties of quince are too hard, astringent and sour to eat raw unless "bletted" (softened by frost and subsequent decay).[10] High in pectin, they are used to make jam, jelly and quince pudding, or they may be peeled, then roasted, baked or stewed; pectin levels diminish as the fruit ripens.[11] The flesh of the fruit turns red after a long cooking time. The very strong perfume means they can be added in small quantities to apple pies and jam to enhance the flavor. Adding a diced quince to apple sauce will enhance the taste of the apple sauce with the chunks of relatively firm, tart quince. The term "marmalade", originally meaning a quince jam, derives from marmelo, the Portuguese word for this fruit.[12][13]
In the Balkans and elsewhere, quince brandy and quince liqueur are made. In Carolina in 1709, John Lawson allowed that he was "not a fair judge of the different sorts of Quinces, which they call Brunswick, Portugal and Barbary", but he noted "of this fruit they make a wine or liquor which they call Quince-Drink, and which I approve of beyond any that their country affords, though a great deal of cider and perry is there made, The Quince-Drink most commonly purges."[14]
In Kashmir, India, quinces are grown in abundance and are a seasonal fruit. They are called 'Bum-choonth' and are cooked with brinjals and enjoyed as a delicacy by Kashmiri Pundits.
In the Alsace region of France and the Valais region of Switzerland, liqueur de coing made from quince is used as a digestif.
Spain and Latin America[edit]
In Spain, the sweet and floral notes of carne de membrillo (quince meat) contrast nicely with the tangyness of the cheese.[15][better source needed] Boiled quince is popular in desserts such as the murta con membrillo that combines Ugni molinae with quince.In Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Spain, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela the membrillo, as the quince is called in Spanish, is cooked into a reddish, jelly-like block or firm, reddish paste known as dulce de membrillo. It is then eaten in sandwiches and with cheese, traditionally manchego cheese, or accompanying fresh curds.[citation needed]
In traditional medicine[edit]
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|Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
|238 kJ (57 kcal)
15.3 g
|Dietary fiber
|1.9 g
0.1 g
0.4 g
|Thiamine (B1)
(2%)0.02 mg
|Riboflavin (B2)
(3%)0.03 mg
|Niacin (B3)
(1%)0.2 mg
|Pantothenic acid (B5)
(2%)0.081 mg
|Vitamin B6
(3%)0.04 mg
|Folate (B9)
(1%)3 μg
|Vitamin C
(18%)15 mg
(1%)11 mg
(5%)0.7 mg
(2%)8 mg
(2%)17 mg
(4%)197 mg
(0%)4 mg
(0%)0.04 mg
|Percentages are roughly approximated using US recommendations for adults.
Source: USDA Nutrient Database
Quince was mentioned among other plants, by Avicenna, an Iranian philosopher and physician, in his book Canon to treat abnormal uterine bleeding.[citation needed]
The phytochemistry of quince has been under study for several possible medical uses.[16]
Cultural associations[edit]
- In Turkey, the expression ayvayı yemek (literally "to eat the quince") is used as a derogatory term indicating any unpleasant situation or a malevolent incident to avoid. This usage is likened to the rather bitter aftertaste of a quince fruit inside the mouth.
- When a baby is born in the Balkans, a quince tree is planted as a symbol of fertility, love and life.
- Ancient Greek poets (Ibycus, Aristophanes, e.g.) used quinces (kydonia) as a mildly ribald term for teenage breasts.
- Although the book of Genesis does not name the specific type of the fruit that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden, some ancient texts suggest Eve's fruit of temptation might have been a quince.[17]
- In Plutarch's Lives, Solon is said to have decreed that "bride and bridegroom shall be shut into a chamber, and eat a quince together."[18]
- In the famous children's poem, "The Owl and the Pussycat" by Edward Lear (1871), "they dined on mince and slices of quince ..."
The seeds contain nitriles, which are common in seeds of the rose family. In the stomach, enzymes or stomach acid or both cause some of the nitriles to be hydrolyzed and produce hydrogen cyanide, which is a volatile gas. The seeds are only likely to be toxic if a large quantity is eaten.[19]
See also[edit]
- ^ Potter, D., et al. (2007). Phylogeny and classification of Rosaceae. Plant Systematics and Evolution. 266(1–2): 5–43. [Referring to the subfamily by the name "Spiraeoideae"]
- ^ RHS A-Z encyclopedia of garden plants. United Kingdom: Dorling Kindersley. 2008. p. 1136. ISBN 1405332964.
- ^ Olivier Lauffenburger, 2006. The Hittite Grammar Homepage, Akkadian dictionary, entry for supurgillu
- ^ Leighton 1986:243.
- ^ Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall. "Quince recipes - Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall". the Guardian.
- ^ "Agroforestry news quince cydonia oblonga". agroforestry.co.uk.
- ^ "Cydonia oblonga 'Vranja' Nenadovic". Royal Horticultural Society. Retrieved 22 July 2013.
- ^ "Statistics from: Food And Agricultural Organization of United Nations: Economic And Social Department: The Statistical Division". UN Food and Agriculture Organization Corporate Statistical Database. Archived from the original on September 6, 2015.
- ^ USDA, ARS, National Genetic Resources Program. Germplasm Resources Information Network (GRIN). [Online Database] National Germplasm Resources Laboratory, Beltsville, Maryland. Available: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/search.pl?accid=%20CCYD+131 (20 February 2011)
- ^ "Quince". herbs2000.com.
- ^ Alexander, S. The cook's companion. Penguin Australia. P.609
- ^ Wilson, C. Anne. The Book of Marmalade: Its Antecedents, Its History and Its Role in the World Today (Together with a Collection of Recipes for Marmalades and Marmalade Cookery), University of Pennsylvania Press, Philadelphia. Revised Edition 1999. ISBN 0-8122-1727-6
- ^ "Marmalade" in Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper apud Dictionary.com
- ^ Lawson, A New Voyage to Carolina, 1709, quoted in Ann Leighton, American Gardens in the 18th Century: 'for Use or For Delight' , 1986:242f.
- ^ Membrillo paste from Gourmet Sleuth
- ^ Maryam Khoubnasabjafari, Abolghasem Jouyban (2011). "A review of phytochemistry and bioactivity of quince (Cydonia oblonga Mill.)" (PDF). Journal of Medicinal Plants Research. 5 (15): 3577–3594. (subscription required (help)).
- ^ Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 1 By James Strong
- ^ Wikisource: Lives by Plutarch, translated by John Dryden: Solon
- ^ "Cydonia oblonga Quince PFAF Plant Database". pfaf.org.
External links[edit]
|Wikisource has the text of the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica article Quince.
- Media related to Cydonia oblonga at Wikimedia Commons
- Cornell article
- Quince history
- Quince information including nutrition


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Frias versus Mattiello in the shadow of prison gerrymandering
By ACLU of RI on October 24, 2016
Speaker Mattiello and challenger Frias actually have 1,230 fewer constituents they have to reach out to and represent. Although they are treated as residents of District 15 for purposes of carving up that district, these incarcerated persons are not considered residents there for any other meaningful purpose, including for purposes of voting.
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New group begins study of solitary confinement at ACI
By Bob Plain on September 30, 2016
How many Rhode Island inmates are put in solitary confinement? Why are they there? How long do they stay? "And what do they actually look like," asked Providence Rep. Aaron Regunberg, chair of a new state commission that will answer these and other important questions about the use of solitary confinement at the ACI.
Posted in Civil Rights / Liberties, Class Warfare, Criminal Justice, Featured, News, Prison Reform, Rhode Island, State House, Video | Tagged aaron regunberg, ACI, Adult Correctional Institutions, at wall, Meg Clingham, Office of Mental Health Advocate, Rhode Island Brotherhood of Corrections Officers, Richard Ferruccio | Leave a response
Providence holds solidarity march for National Prison Strike
By Steve Ahlquist on September 10, 2016
A march from Kennedy Plaza to the Providence Public Safety Complex, with a brief, tense stop in front of the Providence Place Mall was held in Providence Friday evening in solidarity with a National Prison Strike, on the 45th anniversary of the Attica Uprising. After gathering in Kennedy Plaza, across from Providence City Hall, the […]
Posted in Activism, Civil Rights / Liberties, Class Warfare, corporate greed, Events, Featured, History, Homelessness, Inequality, Labor, National News, News, Photos, Poverty, Prison Reform, Providence, Race & Racism, Rhode Island, Sex workers, Video | Tagged 13th Amendment, ACI, Adult Correctional Institute, Attica Uprising, Free Alabama Movement, Free Mississippi Movement, Free Ohio Movement, Free Texas Movement, Free Virginia Movement, IWOC, IWW Incarcerated Workers Organizing Committee, kennedy plaza, National Prison Strike, Oscar Perez, Providence Place Mall, Providence Public Safety Complex | 1 Response
Federal judge orders end to "Prison Gerrymandering" in Cranston school and city council districts
By ACLU of RI on May 25, 2016
Today's ruling concluded that Cranston artificially inflated the population count of Ward 6, where the ACI is located, by treating all incarcerated persons as "residents" of the prison for redistricting purposes. Doing so, said the court, violates the rights of persons residing in other wards to equal representation as required by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.
Posted in Campaign 2016, cities and towns, Civil Rights / Liberties, Class Warfare, Criminal Justice, Featured, News, Voting | Tagged ACI, ACLU of Rhode Island, ACLU's Voting Rights Project, Adam Lioz, Adult Correctional Institutions, Aleks Kajstura, American Civil Liberties Union, Census Bureau, Davidson et. al. v. City of Cranston, Debbie Flitman, Demos, Equal Protection Clause, Eugene Perry, Karen Davidson, lynette labinger, prison gerrymandering, Prison policy initiative, Ronald Lagueux, Sean Young, Steven Brown, Sylvia Weber | 1 Response
Why don't female ACI inmates have a nice, big rec yard like the men?
By Merissa Piccoli on December 15, 2015
Gender discrimination and the invisibility of women has been an issue in this world since before I was born. In my lifetime, I have seen attempts of changing this, steps toward gender equality. In my current situation, the invisibility of women is still an issue. I am currently doing a six-year sentence in the women's […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project, Women | Tagged ACI, gender discrimination, prison op/ed porject | 1 Response
Four moves to make on probation reform, courtesy of DARE
By Bruce Reilly on December 3, 2015
It is difficult, if not impossible, to pursue the goals of punishment at the same time as rehabilitation and reentry. Probation is a punishment, and Rhode Island is a national leader in this form of punishment. As noted recently in the Providence Journal, the Governor's workgroup is looking at ways to amend the state's practices. […]
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ACLU settles suit on behalf of ACI inmate retaliated against for criticizing prison policies
By RI Future on November 5, 2015
The American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island today announced the settlement of a federal lawsuit on behalf of Jason Cook, an ACI inmate who, the suit alleged, was the victim of retaliation by prison officials for publicly criticizing RI Department of Corrections' (DOC) mail policies and seeking legal assistance from the ACLU.
Posted in Civil Rights / Liberties, Class Warfare, Criminal Justice, Featured, National News, News, Rhode Island | Tagged ACI, American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island, DeLuca & Weizenbaum, DOC, first amendment, Jason Cook, Ltd., RI ACLU, RI Department of Corrections, Shad Miller, William Smith | 3 Responses
Alcohol, incarceration and what it means to matter
By Laura Baumgardner on October 27, 2015
As human beings, we all have a strong desire to feel important to the world around us. The intense need to feel like we matter has a strong hold on our lives. If that is positive or negative … well, that is up to you. The feeling of loneliness, in a world that gives us […]
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ACI administrator praises Prison Op/Ed Project
By Ralph Orleck on September 29, 2015
Racial injustice. Voting. Prisons. Entitlements. Zero tolerance. These are but a few of the topics written about by inmates enrolled in the Community College of Rhode Island Introductory Sociology class taught by Meghan Kallman in the John J. Moran Medium Security facility. Ms. Kallman was gracious in submitting all papers for my review and as […]
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Prison is about re-socialization, not corrections
By Christopher Marsich on July 31, 2015
Imagine a herd of sheep on the range, with each animal going off in a different direction and doing their own thing. It would be a rancher's worst nightmare, and would surely make the business of ranching far more difficult. Prisoners are not sheep, but the prison guards that watch over us wouldn't mind if […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged ACI, prison op-ed project, re-socialization, recidivism | 7 Responses
Post prison services would stem system's revolving door
By Michael Wheelock on June 2, 2015
The Rhode Island Department of Corrections is obligated under law to protect the public by providing ex-inmates with treatment in the community to help rehabilitate them as productive members of society. Too often it doesn't meet this obligation. Inmates who return to difficult and stressful circumstances and lack supportive structures and services are at greater […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged ACI, post prison, prison, RIDOC | 3 Responses
Incarceration is the new slavery
By James Poston on May 12, 2015
Slavery is the most extreme form of stratification. It relegates people to the status of property for the purpose of producing labor. The slave is a commodity. The slave trade was very profitable on an economic level and very damaging on others. Slavery is now prohibited by every nation in the world and is declared […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged ACI, mass incarceration, prison, prison industrial complex, Prison Op/Ed project, Slavery | 8 Responses
Corporate-modeled 'prison industrial complex' doesn't serve society
By Adrian Rojas on May 5, 2015
The very idea of experiencing an extended stay in a modern day prison should instill fear. Life is hard on the inside, and once you're in the system it isn't easy to break free. America's cruel and impersonal justice system justifies its growth and very existence through the belief that it's necessary to relieve society […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged ACI, corrections corporation of america, prison industrial complex, Prison Op/Ed project, prison reform | 2 Responses
Prison policies put probation and vocation training at odds
By Norman Johnson on April 8, 2015
They say when we someone is sentenced to prison it is for rehabilitation. Yet I will be eligible for parole before I am eligible to participate in one of the vocational programs at the ACI. Here in medium security, there is a carpentry, HVAC and barbers' apprentice program. But prison policy says only inmates with […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged ACI, prison, Prison Op/Ed project, probation, vocational training | 4 Responses
Public school students and inmates need more vocational training
By Darnell Hie on March 31, 2015
Parents, politicians, teachers and taxpayers must better prepare people for life after an institution. This holds true for both ACI inmates and Rhode Island high school students. Public high schools no longer stress hands on training. Instead, they focus on English, math, science, history, though these subjects are hard pressed to hold a teenagers' attention […]
Posted in Education, Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged ACI, Education, prison, prison reform, schools, vo-tech, vocational school | 5 Responses
Hold elected officials to a higher, not lower, standard
By Meghan Kallman on March 10, 2015
Last week I discussed Gordon Fox's guilty plea for bribery, fraud, and filing a false tax return with students in my introductory sociology class at the men's medium prison. Their reactions were immediate and articulate: one indignantly remarked that he himself had stolen a great deal less money than the former speaker, and yet was […]
Posted in Featured, Opinion, Rhode Island, State House | Tagged ACI, bribe, corruption, Gordon Fox, prison reform, Rhode Island, state house | 2 Responses
The 'Prison Op/Ed Project' teaches civic engagement, writing
By Meghan Kallman on February 26, 2015
Incarcerated students in my CCRI Introductory Sociology course are expected, like my students elsewhere, to write 1-2 page reflection papers each week on themes that we discuss in class. Writing is, of course, one of the most important liberal arts competencies, and it is part of my job as a professor to help students find […]
Posted in Featured, Prison Op/Ed Project | Tagged Aaron Carpenter, ACI, Prison Op/Ed project, prison reform, sociology | 28 Responses
Oscar-nominated film shows need for prison healthcare
By Bruce Reilly on March 27, 2014
If there is one thing a documentary film should strive for, it is exposing people to a little-known aspect of life. This is precisely what filmmaker Edgar Barens has done with his Oscar nominated film, "Prison Terminal: The Last Days of Private Jack Hall." It premieres on HBO, on March 31st, and is poised to […]
Posted in Arts & Culture, Civil Rights / Liberties, Criminal Justice, Featured, Health Care | Tagged ACI, dying in prison, edgar barens, health care, jack hall, life without parole, prison hospice, Prison terminal, veterans in prison | Leave a response
Cranston residents suing because prison 'residents' dilute political power
By Bruce Reilly on February 19, 2014
Today marks the announcement that Cranston residents are filing suit because their voting rights are being violated. Cranston! You might be wondering: "Where do these lawsuits come from?" It turns out, good ol' RIFuture played a part. About eight years ago I saw Prison Policy Initiative (PPI) founder Peter Wagner give a presentation on "Prison Based […]
Posted in Civil Rights / Liberties, Elections, Featured, Voter ID | Tagged ACI, ACLU, Cranston, democracy, Demos, political power, prison based gerrymandering, Prison policy initiative, voting rights | Leave a response
Andres Idarraga's and the prison-to-school pipeline
By Bruce Reilly on November 20, 2013
There will always be those people who feel nobody should get out of prison, or that they should not get parole, or not get opportunities like an education. Andres Idarraga is someone who got out on parole. He began educating himself while at the A.C.I. using his own money and ingenuity. After his release, Andres […]
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Need to Know: How will the Redskins' safety situation shake out?
Jan 21, 2016, 5:26 AM EDT
Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, January 21, 34 days before the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.
Five thoughts on the Redskins as the offseason sets in
—Did Jay Gruden and Sean McVay underutilize Jamison Crowder? The rookie slot receiver was targeted 78 times during the season. In 2014 slot receiver Andre Roberts was targeted 73 times. Considering that Crowder was a clear upgrade over Roberts he should have had a lot more opportunities. After nine games Crowder was on pace to catch 75 passes. He ended up with 59.
—The situation with Terrance Knighton shows why leaning so hard on free agency hurts the team building process. Knighton played OK and he got better as the year went on. But "not horrible and improving" is not the standard that a team that wants to make the playoffs and advance should be striving for. They might be inclined to let him go but unless they can attract one of the very few quality nose tackles on the market they might end up without anyone qualified to play NT. They could wait for the draft but the chances of finding an immediate starter at nose tackle in the draft are very slim. If they sign Knighton to a multi-year deal and then find a NT in the draft, the draft pick will be at least halfway through his rookie contract before a position opens up for him. They are kind of stuck in the free agent market.
—It will be interesting to see how the safety situation will shake out. They have Dashon Goldson and DeAngelo Hall under contract but their cap hits total just over $13 million. Both have their strong points but they could sign the Chiefs' 27-year-old All-Pro Eric Barry and another mid-range free agent for that money. Duke Ihenacho, who won a starting job but broke his wrist in the season opener, is a restricted free agent. If the Redskins want to have the right to match any offers for him they'll have to tender him at around $1.5 million. They might try to get him to sign for less. Jeron Johnson is still under contract and Kyshoen Jarrett should continue to grow. I don't see all five of them being back, at least not at full price, but it will be interesting to see who takes their places.
—Would Scot McCloughan draft RB Ezekiel Elliott if he is sitting there at pick No. 21? It's very early in the draft process but many of the mocks and rankings I've see have Elliott going right about there. Whether he does go to the Redskins or not, it won't be because McCloughan won't be held back by the conventional wisdom that says that you don't draft a running back in the first round. He drafted a right tackle who converted to guard No. 5, something you're not supposed to do, and the word was that he might have tabbed Todd Gurley if the Redskins had traded back. If Elliott is the best player on the board when the Redskins' pick comes up McCloughan won't hesitate to pull the trigger on him.
—I'll start taking a look at draft prospects here starting soon but it's more a matter of trying to identify McCloughan/Redskins-type players the team might be interested in. What we can't determine as observers is the results of the background checks, what the trainer in the weight room has to say about a player's work habits, how that broken leg the player had in high school has healed up, and other such details. But it's fun to do and maybe we can learn something.
—The Redskins last played a game 11 days ago. It will be about 234 days until they play another one.
—Days until: NFL Combine 34; NFL free agency starts 48; 2016 NFL draft 98
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- Report: Redskins set to hire former player as a position coach
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- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 6:36 AM
I think that Knighton is gone. I think they'll sign Damon Harison NT and draft a NT to develop behind him.
I think they sign Muhammed Wilkerson to replace Hatcher.
So the starting DL will be:
RDE: Wilkerson, RJF
NT: Harrison, Antwun Woods?
LDE: Baker, Paea
For safety, I think Goldson is gone and the skins either fork out the big $ for Berry or they sign Eric Weddle on a deal similar to what Hall got two years ago.
I think Hall is back, he's versatile. He can play outside corner, slot corner, strong safety and free safety. Maybe Hall isn't s starter all year next – depends when Culliver comes back – but he should be retained.
I think re-signing Ihenacho as a RFA is a near must. We missed him last year at SS. Without him we didn't have that bigger safety coming down and filling in against the run when running backs got past our soft big man in the middle.
Drafting a FS in the draft is a good idea as well. They really, REALLY!! Need to do down thing about that position long term.
- msz11 - Jan 21, 2016 at 7:01 AM
It would be great if we sign that DL and draft Elliot ,it is a mayor upgrade in key positions .we need
To do it if we want to be back in playoffs .
- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:37 AM
I don't think we need Elliot and this is coming from an Ohio state fan. The skins need to upgrade their defense, and find a blocking TE. That should be their two main goals of this offseason.
- firesnyder - Jan 21, 2016 at 11:22 AM
If Knighton is really done, he will be one pissed off man. I saw a clip a few days ago where he was saying (i'm paraphrasing) "Scot said he would treat me good if I played well this season, and I think I did." Oh well, we will see.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:54 AM
The structure of the contract on Cousins hinges on whether Redskins will consider an upgrade at Nose Tackle position in FA. I know you are big on signing Damon Harrison. While that would be a great sign and any fan would be happy to get him, he is going to be one of the biggest price tags in the free agency market. Great Nose Tackles are hard to come by. So I'm not sure the team will be willing to pay the price tag for Damon Harrison if they also have to shell out 17 to 20 million for Cousins next season. If Cousins contract is more to what I deem "fair" which would be 13 to 15 million then we do have more room to work with for a huge "get" in free agency. There are just too many upgrades needed on this team to have expectations to land an elite player like Damon Harrison and also sign Cousins to a major long term contract.
- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:41 PM
If we don't get a guy like Harrison, we'll continue to see our D give up 150 yds a game on the ground. You can't win in the playoffs w/o a good to great D. Just look at who is left in the champ games and look at enjoy always wins Super Bowls, usually it's the team with one of the best defenses in the NFL. Potroast ain't cuttin it
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:09 PM
All true but Salary Cap may hinder getting Harrison. Based on his performance, Harrison played this season for relatively cheap money. He is going to want a big pay check to sign him as a FA. If the Redskins can work this out then great since I don't like drafting NTs. The position is too unpredictable to know what college kids can come in and play that position. Nose Tackle is a Man's position that few can perform at a high level. After Cousins is signed you'd have to look at what's left if you want to sign Harrison for his asking price. It may not calculate out to Scot's liking.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 8:48 AM
We have a lot of cap room, and will have more if we don't keep Hatcher, Garcon, Roberts & Riley. The skins need a NT like I need a $1 billion
- rtcwon - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:06 PM
Guess you aren't quit clear how the salary cap works. To help out, I used Kap & Newton's deals as a blueprint for a 7yr $141M deal with $43 totally guaranteed, $70M "Kap guaranteed" with a first year cap hit of only $13M and very manageable dead money if they want out after year two. If they want out after next year, the dead money would be more but still less than the cap penalty they recently survived through.
- Mr.moneylover - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:01 AM
Muhammad Wilkerson broke his leg in the last game of the season and looking for big money and plus he won't be ready for the start of the season…scot m. Not gonna sign guys like that
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:05 AM
You beat me to that injury Money! I agree with you and also the Jets don't appear ready to let him go since reports are they are throwing the franchise tag on him. That's 16 million so if Jets are willing to pay that imagine what he cost even injured in free agency. Abanig has a great line in place for the Redskins. It's just not a viable one to expect in 2016
- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:39 PM
Bones heal
- bangkokben - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:56 PM
Just ask Joey T.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 8:48 AM
That was 30 years ago. Medicine/doctors & all that have improved since then.
- bangkokben - Jan 22, 2016 at 3:53 PM
Sure, it has. Do we have a cure for cancer, ALS, or a multitude of other diseases or conditions? The human body hasn't improved that much since Wilkerson still needs six months of rehab from a broken leg. That's not standard but maybe not serious either but closer to serious. LaVar Arrington's career was finished by broken bones as well.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM
EJ Henderson, Leon Washington returned from a compound fracture as did Ed McCaffery both within the last 20 years.
Lavar was in a biking accident he had all kind of injuries to his lower body, not just 1 injury.
- bangkokben - Jan 22, 2016 at 4:19 PM
The issue isn't whether Wilkerson can come back from his injury or even to what degree he'll be the same? It is about weighing all the risks when YOU plan on giving him the moon. I'd love to have the 2015 version of Muhamed Wilkerson and pay him $10M a year. I'd also love to have the 2012 version of Robert Griffin or pay Kirk Cousins $10M/year. None of those things are going to happen and neither IS signing the 2016 version of Wilkerson to whatever contract he deserves. The point is is that you see only the potential benefits of signing him, disregard the potential pitfalls, and cheer-lead this unreality as a potential FA coup when there is nothing about our current GM that suggests that this would be a potential solution to a very real problem – the lack of talent on the defense. This kind of move is akin to signing Haynesworth. It disregards the other issues this team has.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 4:21 PM
I'll also add that I don't see anywhere that Wilkerson has a compound fracture. If he doesn't have a compound fracture then it's something he'll be back from by the start of 2016.
I just read he may be ready for training camp
- bangkokben - Jan 22, 2016 at 4:29 PM
It' one of bones in the lower leg – I don't recall and requires six months rehab. Here's a link after the game. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-wilkerson-helped-field-apparent-ankle-injury-article-1.2483995
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 4:35 PM
6 months means mid June, that's even a month & a half before training camp. just read that same article. It's the fibula.
It's Not a compound fracture where his leg was dangling because he broke the fibula and tibia. The fibula is not even the biggest bone/strongest bone below the knee, that's the tibia.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:13 PM
Yes but recovery takes time. You have to factor in he may not be 100% when the season starts.
No need to ask Joe since anyone can see how well his healed by the limp he still has due to the leg being shorter than the other.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM
Did he have a compound fracture? And Theisman was 30 years ago bro.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:03 AM
There is just no way I see the team getting both Mo Wilkerson and Damon Harrison to go along with a huge contract for Cousins. Also Mo is going to be out six months with a broken Fibula.. Recent reports indicate the Jets are going to put the franchise tag on him.
If the D-line will look like anything in 2016 then I see the best case scenario being…
RDE: Preston Smith, RJF
NT: Harrison,
LDE: Baker, Paea
- ET - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:08 PM
That seems like it'd be a very promising unit.
I suspect Harrison would be a really nice addition to the DL, but can the Skins afford him?
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM
I'm not positive the Redskins could since Cousins is going to be a big price tag and we have other FAs on the team we have yet to resign. It depends on how much Scot feels the defense needs him or if they think Pot Roast can perform better.
- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM
Preston Smith is our OLB, they're not going to put 20 pounds on him to have him play 3-4 DE after he just got 8 sacks as a ROLB
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:34 PM
I bet they resign Junior Galette to a long term deal and he will start in the ROLB spot. Preston Smith has the body makeup of a DE. He came in as a rookie at 270 which is only 15 pounds lighter than JJ Watt. They are both about the same size. The DC even stated that Preston Smith didn't look like he weighed 270 when he met him. That's because of his long frame. The man is very powerful and has huge hands. He was a dominate in creating interior pressure at Miss State. If they want Galette and Smith on the field together than they need to move Preston Smith somewhere. He'll make a great DE and he probably could move inside in some pass situations.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 8:45 AM
Why should Galette get s long term deal? 1) he's lucky he's in the league. 2) he is coming off an achillies tear. He should be back at the vet minimum like last year or just above.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 9:34 AM
Galette is a proven edge rusher who was 3rd in sacks in the prior three seasons. Yes the Redskins can get him for cheap money if we are talking one season. However, it'd be better to sign him on a long term contract now than later where it will get much more expensive. Regardless of the contract, Galette will be the ROLB and not Preston if he is on the team this coming up season. Galette is an elite rushing and you can just ask Trent Williams if there is any doubt. He got by Trent on some one-on-ones in TC and very few players have done that. Certainly not Kerrigan and Orakpo only did it on some rare occasions.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 10:04 AM
Galette is coming off an achillies injury. I think it's more likely that Preston Smith starts and Galette is worked back in slowly with some 3rd down reps the first month of the season.
I'm not sure why you want to overpay for a player. Vinny left after on 09
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 11:44 AM
If you think I want to overpay a player than you have either decided to troll or are mistaken. Gallete is a proven elite edge rusher with many years of success. He's a high motor guy that this team sorely needs on defense. Signing Gallete now for many years will most likely be cheap compared to waiting next season when he returns to form. If anyone wants to over pay players then revert back to your idea of signing both Wilkerson and Harrison in the middle of a huge upcoming contract with Cousins.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 11:53 AM
Galette hasn't earned a long term deal based off his actions and his injury m in the last calendar year.
Wilkerson & Harrison have. We can rely on them.
We know they won't get arrested
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:13 PM
worked in 1st month of the season?
He's already running and expected to be back at full strength by March well before TC. Baring any setback he'll be 100% well before the season.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:31 PM
Well that's good, I still wouldn't push it with him. We need to ease him back like we did with DeAngelo Hall last year.
Smith got recognized by writers for how well he played the second half of the year. It doesn't make much sense to take a lot of snaps away from him.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM
Lets put it this way: Which odds are better between Junior Galette being on the Redskins roster in 2016 and Wilkerson? Seriously?
The difference between your approach and mine is that you are looking to sign not one but two player contracts at their highest market value coming out of FA. One is much farther behind Galette in recovery. I'm looking to sign a player who has elite ability at the lowest market value. Which would have less impact on the Salary Cap and more likely to be underpaid based on potential? Which way would Vinny swing in this case?
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:39 PM
I say both. Galette on a "prove it again" deal.
Wilkerson can replace Hatcher.
I don't know why you undid that Galette has a high market value. We got him last year on a $745,000 deal and he didn't play a snap because of injury. we also got the first right of refusal which ALMOST NEVER happens on a players contract unless they are tagged.
I'm not sure why you think someone is going to give a multi-year deal to an off the field time bomb who's coming off a torn achilies tendon. It's not going to happen.
We totally control Galette and his contract situation and Galette wants to be here.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 1:24 PM
"We totally control Galette and his contract situation and Galette wants to be here. '
Look we get Wilkerson and I'll be giddy as any 2 year old on a sugar high. However your last statement is the very reason why a multi year contract is viable. He still has a big paycheck coming from NO next season. So yeah a league minimum is very possible but a longer term contract now could end up being much cheaper down the road. Obviously you don't think Galette is worth the risk but I do and the coaches want him here as well. So we'll see about Galette's signing. Wilkerson signing here is a huge long shot because the Jets show on intention of letting him go. They indicated otherwise about Harrison so I can see why you have him slated here.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 1:26 PM
Well the Redskins clearly don't feel the way you do. They signed him last year to a $745 k deal and he agreed to let them control his 2016 destiny
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM
If we don't get Wilkerson in fine with that as the 1st and 2nd rounds are loaded with good 5 technique prospects and only 3 NT prospects.
So, if get Harrison I'd be as giddy as a 2 year old on a sugar rush! ;)
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 1:41 PM
I mean essentially what you are saying about Galette is that we should give him a long term deal based off of his performance from 2013 & 14. Not only that, but he hasn't played one snap for the Redskins. No way he's offered a long term deal
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM
"I mean essentially what you are saying about Galette is that we should give him a long term deal based off of his performance from 2013 & 14."
I'm not saying that at all. I'm stating offer him a multi year contract (maybe 3 years) based on where his current market value is in the league. That includes taking into consideration his recent public issues and injury status. There is nothing to suggest he won't accept a three year contract, for example, that gives him a larger than minimum salary next year (say double) followed by less than elite money for the remainder two years. Tie the remainder two years to performance incentives that could potentially bump him in the top ten among players in his position where both years are voidable if he's released. You still minimize the risks with lower than normal first year salary for a guy of his caliber and it is still cap friendly. If he returns to his '13 & '14 form in '16 then you have him locked down for two more year s without a serious blow to the salary cap. If he under performs than you cut him and lose very little to nothing lost in salary cap for the following season. Sure you can just give him a league minimum again for 2016 and if he tears it up then you are dealing with the type money the Jets are in keeping Wilkerson. What is it 16 million if the jets use the franchise tag.
Worst case scenario in evening tendering the offer is Galette opts for the league minimum instead.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 3:53 PM
He's not going to agree to that. If I'm advising him, I either want a multi-year deal that has guaranteed $ or I want another one-year show me deal.
If Galette goes out and has 10-15 sacks in 2016 then as his agent I've just scored him a big multi-year deal again. If not and he's a 5 sack guy but he stays out of trouble for two years in a row, I've probably given him a chance to get a multi-year deal somewhere with some guaranteed money in it.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:45 AM
He didn't have to take a league minimum either when he came here last season but he choose to accept it. He could have waited and someone into have offered much more down the road as injuries mounted. You just don't know what he'd or his agent would accept. That's why you negotiate and throw out other offers. The way you approach it is that there is only one option. No NFL team or agent thinks that way on contract signings.
The 3 year could be structured in many ways for Galette to still earn much more than another minimum year contract while Redskins avoid a cap heavy hit. The point is to make an attempt to strike a multi-year deal now if possible because there is more leverage for the Redskins in doing so.
- abanig - Jan 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM
We'll see. Let me know if he gets a multi-year deal ok… ;)
- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM
If anything they'll have Murphy put on another 10-20 pounds to play DE, but I doubt it to be honest.
If they don't get an upgrade if Hatch retires then they'll probably draft someone in round. 1 or 2 and Paea or RJF will start opposite Baker
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:37 PM
"If anything they'll have Murphy put on another 10-20 pounds to play DE, but I doubt it to be honest."
I think Murphy is too weak to play DE in a 3-4. His best chance is moving to Jack ILB on remain as a backup OLB.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 8:44 AM
Murphy can't play ILB, he can't cover well enough. His dad put on 20 pounds or so when he hit 25, in thinking Murphy can do the same if he eats more.
Most likely he'll remain the back up OLB to Kerrigan, but I still think he can make the transition to DE. He played some DE at Stanford and sometimes plays DT in passing situations.
I just don't think moving Smith at this point makes sense because he played so well the second 1/2 of the year. It's clear he's the future at rolb and next year or the year after will be the Aldon Smith type player for this defense.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 10:00 AM
Honestly I think ILB is a long shot for Murphy anyway. He's at best a serviceable backup OLB on obvious running situations. The team could still do better in a backup role than Murphy. I rarely seem him coming off blocks to make a play. He tackles well and that is just about all I like about his performance.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 10:14 AM
Murphy had one of the best run defense ratings in 2014 for OLbs , not sure what it was last year. His problem is he doesn't have the speed to round the corner on a good LT in the NFL.
At lolb he was better, I believe that's how he got his strip sack vs the Bears against Kyle Long who yeah is going to be in the pro bowl.
Again, ILBs have to have the ability to drop into coverage even more than OLB's in a 3-4 scheme. Do you really want Murphy covering tight ends like Zach Ertz and Larry Donnell? I don't think he has that ability.
He either stays as Kerrigan's back up at LOLB – playing some DE – or he moves to DE full time after putting on another 15-20 pounds like he did last offseason.
If Murphy isn't running as much as he would to be an OLB in the offseason and focuses more on just eating bigger meals and lifting extremely heavy he can work his way towards being an every down DL. We've seen guys do this, I don't think it's that far fetched.
Now, ILB, that's far fetched because it's not his skill set to drop into coverage and read play action 1/2 of the game. He's never played ILB in his life, he has played DL.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 11:49 AM
I guess you missed the part where I stated long shot at ILB. Moving Murphy to either DE or ILB is far fetched. He'll get eaten up trying to come of the line since he has no demonstrative skills in getting off blocks. Honestly, he a cut waiting to happen whether it be this TC or next it will most likely happen.
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:29 PM
Part of the DL's job is to occupy blockers. Also, I think it should be obvious that a 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE that puts on weight and moves inside would be quicker than interior OL. Murphy couldn't beat left tackles, but it was pretty clear the more Smith played ROLB and Murphy played LOLB that Murphy could beat a RT because they're not as good as LT's, this would be the same if he was going against guards.
Maybe he's never a starter at either OLB or DE for the Redskins but if he can be a back up LOLB and 3rd down interior pass rusher at 3 or 5 technique and get 2 or 4 sacks a year.
- Mr.moneylover - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:03 AM
I do like the kid antwun woods from USC he is a beast…I think he will be there when we pick in the draft…he's a powerful kid
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15 AM
I didn't see Antwaun Woods play but he is not even considered a high draft selection. It looks like you can grab him as low as the 6th round.
- firesnyder - Jan 21, 2016 at 11:24 AM
Wilkerson is going to be damn expensive and, frankly, it would wreak of a "danny-esque" move if they signed what amounts to *the* premier free agent on the market. I really don't think that it Scottie M's philosophy. I would love to have Wilkerson, but that is probably too much cash to fill just one of our many holes.
- abanig - Jan 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM
Scott was in San Fran when they signed Justin Smith and Nate Clemens
- brucefan1 - Jan 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM
"I think re-signing Ihenacho as a RFA is a near must"
Gotta wonder how much longer the Skins are gonna pay Duke for NOT playing! No?
There are a few guys on this team (well one guy, especially) who have been hung by the short hairs for being "too injury prone"! Does Duke get a pass?
- abanig - Jan 22, 2016 at 11:46 AM
Duke will only cost $1.5 dollars at most. Not $16.2
- brucefan1 - Jan 22, 2016 at 2:19 PM
Love it!
Like the Skins were EVER gonna pay out on that 16 mil, tho. So it was never real money. (We're still trying to get to the bottom of why they even went thru the pretense of offering it?? Who actually demanded it?)
But no matter what the cost — and these capologists do try to make every dollar count — injury prone is injury prone. Investing in a guy who has a history of never helping is dubious. IMHO, Duke has earned the ability to request a very humble contract. ;^}
- Lex - Jan 22, 2016 at 1:03 PM
All in on wilkerson and berry both relatively young and productive
- rcjur - Jan 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM
In Free Agency Redskins need to target and get DT Wilkerson (Jets) priority one;, NT Hill (Titans) cheap sign; RB Pierce (Jags) another cheap sign and only 24 years old. Upgrade DT Crawford to team depth chart. Big potential. Trade with Seattle for S Chancellor if possible, if obtain say goodbye to Hall. Otherwise at Safety should include Duke, Goldson, Jarrett, Johnson. Top draft needs should be NT, RB, WR, CB, S. Team should say goodbye to LeReibus, Paulson, Morris, Golston, Young, Hatcher possibly Garçon due to team want reduction in contract. Sign back Galette, Robinson, Compton, Foster, Blackmon and Knighton. Better keep WR Jackson. Say goodbye to McCoy, he's not sitting behind Cousins, he wants to play. If team is stupid enough to sign Cousins anything over 12 mil a year for 2 years they will jeopardize the talent level of team and be overpaying for still yet an unproven qb that organization really needs to see another year to justify a multi year deal and franchise qb level. Personally I am not sold on Cousins, still think he is a quality backup qb and I would put take it or leave it deal out there, and if necessary tag for picks and have an immediate trade in place with Cincy who has their qb, for AJ Macaron a better future franchise qb to lead an NFL team. Proven college winner, tough, younger, cheaper and very competitive and would be better choice for team future success. Team signs Cousins to big deal better get ready for a disappointment in 2017 and big questions on its decision.
- abanig - Jan 23, 2016 at 12:43 PM
Wilkerson should be a priority signing, I agree. If they can't get him because he's franchised they should focus on getting Damon Harrison, not Sammie Hill. NT is the most important part of a great 3-4.
If you're talking about signing Tyrone Crawford, you're too late. The Cowboys extended him.
I like the idea of trading for Kam Chancellor, I was hoping we could have done that last year.
I wouldn't say goodbye to Hall, I'd say goodbye to Goldson. I'd cut Goldson and keep Hall. Hall can play both corner and free safety. We have Jarrett who can back up at both safety positions and play slot corner. We can draft a FS prospect like Darian Thompson, Karl Joseph or Powell in round 2 or 3 to develop behind Hall at FS.
The only way I'd re-sign Knighton is if we can't sign a NT like Harrison or Hill.
McCoy doesn't have a choice. He's a back up in this league. Just like many before him, he had a chance to become a starter in Cleveland in 2010 & 11, he couldn't get the job done. He can be re-signed I believe.
As far as Cousins goes, it would be foolish not to keep a QB who's coming off his first season as a starter and led the team to a division championship. Over the second half of the season he was one of the most efficient Qbs in the NFL. He'll be back and paying him like a fringe starter isn't going to cut it.
- rcjur - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:22 PM
RG III and Colt won't be here next season to back up Cousins. Colt is not resigning, he will take his chances with another team especially since he believes he's better than Cousins, and Colt didn't like the way this past season how the qb job was handled. Team will be stuck with a high price qb that in 2016 is regresses and a new qb backing him up. Count on both things happening. I would franchise get picks and trade for AJ Macaron. Cousins is a fluke and a lot of people know it. NFC East teams would love for Redskins to sign multi year deal, they will be happy.
- abanig - Jan 24, 2016 at 3:27 PM
My gosh. Aj McCarron was a flash in the pan with one of the most talented offenses around him in the NFL.
Cousins was average for 1/2 the season while Djax was hurt & top 10 the final 7 games when Djax was healthy.
Cousins had little running game all year. Cincy had a good mix of Hill & Bernard.
And i disagree about Colt. No one thinks of him as a starter. He's not going anywhere with a chance to start. The best he can do is re-sign stay and under Gruden, who really likes him as a QB.
- troylok - Jan 21, 2016 at 7:22 AM
Knighton will be back. The Redskins might kick around a few developmental prospects late in the draft but it makes sense to bring him back so they can use draft picks on other positions. As average as Knighton's performance was in 2015, the odds are against drafting a defensive tackle at pick 21 that would have a bigger impact.
I think McGloughin will re-negotiate Goldson's contract and he will return. His abilities are marginal but he is a team leader and brings attitude to the back side of the defense. I think they would keep Goldson over Hall who is injury prone now playing a position where injuries are frequent.
Crowder is going to be one of those receivers that is best used occasionally. I think if the Redskins can bring Desean Jackson back, they just lack a big receiver to complete a very nice trio of receivers. I'd save money on bringing Garcon back and focus on getting that big guy, which they have lacked for so long.
- colorofmyskinz - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:19 AM
Agree on all points here. Garçon just is too expensive for his contributions. We need BIG at WR. We need at least one. Crowder is a monster and would rival an Edelman. Pot roast just was far below average for first half of season. We need BIG to replace him if we do. Put Murphy behind any NT and we have a run stopping machine.
- ET - Jan 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM
Regardless of your opinion of Garçon and Jackson, do you see a viable scenario where neither one returns for 2016? I sure don't. Out of the two, Garçon seems more likely to remain, if only because he has so many of the traits Scot M. looks for when roster building. Garçon is a badass competitor and real leader.
Is Garçon's salary too high next year? Yes, probably.
Is that the only determining factor? Not by a long shot.
- bangkokben - Jan 21, 2016 at 12:49 PM
If we were to cut every player who is not living up to "our" expectations for their contract, Garcon would be cut but not until we ten others first. It's complete nonsense. The only way it becomes something is if GARCON decides he's holding out until he gets an extension, then we have an issue. Until then, let the speculation continue until the league year.
- renhoekk2 - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:39 AM
The FA WR class includes guys like M Sanu, A Jeffrey, R Randle. Maybe you get one of those guys for less than Garcon money. I think they want Cousins to have an opportunity to grow going into his 2nd season as starter, and the best way to do that is to keep the WR intact. Are Garcon and Jackson overpaid? Probably yes, But that is the price you pay to attract good players to a losing franchise. You have to overpay or why would they ever want to come to your team?
The fastest and best way to improve the current team is to draft for defense. That is the weakest part of the team. Releasing Garcon and drafting another WR is going to save money but not really improve your team. Also why I doubt they draft a RB in the first rd. I like the guy who backed up Henry at ALA. Kenyan Drake. Guy would have started for most other teams. Has more speed than Jones and doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on him. Can maybe get him in rd 3 or 4.
- cpst123 - Jan 21, 2016 at 7:27 AM
Knighton and Goldston were the type of leaders that McCloughan looks for. I think they resign them while drafting replacements.
Hall could be the odd man out at safety if they go after Eric Barry.
Let's keep in mind that building through the free agent market was Vinnie's calling card not McCloughan. Let's see what we can draft and what our coaches can do with what we have. Our draft picks played a much larger role this year than in years past. How will they fare with a full off-season?
- firesnyder - Jan 21, 2016 at 3:45 PM
This Eric Berry stuff is B.S. From what I've read, Kansas City would likely put the franchise tag on him for one year if they cannot get a deal done. Slim chance we get Berry.
- msz11 - Jan 21, 2016 at 7:33 AM
We have to cut expensive veterans and sign younger proven players on defense in FA.
And in the draft go with RB with the first pick and a tall reciver with the second pick.
- colorofmyskinz - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:13 AM
We need many safeties and Corners. Our NT situation is a conundrum. We also need a DE to replace Hatch. We also need s center that does not get pushed back 5 yards on the snap, regardless of his line knowledge. Big needs here.
I think we should shift Murphy to middle linebacker if galette comes back healthy. That would fix a ton. Murphy is a run stopping tackling machine. He has a hard time bending and getting around OTs. He would be a monster in the middle.
- msz11 - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:18 AM
I like that !
- firesnyder - Jan 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM
Like that idea as well. Murphy would be a solid run stopper.
- msz11 - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:16 AM
We need to get faster on defense, with good offenses like GREEN BAY we have nothing to do.
- colorofmyskinz - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 AM
Agreed. We need more of a hurry up or need to figure out how to get plays in quicker. Or trust Kirk more on okay calls to keep a series going. We screwed up so many drives on just getting the okay to the huddle.
How many delay of games???
- kenlinkins - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 AM
Rich: RB Elliott might be the key for the Redskins in the 2016 draft. IMO he would be a great RB (but not the type the GM is looking for) but I think his real value might be as the "bait" to allow the Redskins to trade back early. IMO he is the best RB in the draft and more than one team picking 22-32 could really use him. This could allow the Redskins to trade back twice (if the Redskins are willing to forgo a first round pick) and gain 4 extra 2nd and or 3rd round picks (which is where I think the sweet spot is for this draft). For a team that is rebuilding there is nothing better having a lot of 2nd & 3rd round picks. With so many DT, DE, OLB, WR,CB and C's having very late 1st round / 2 round grades, there will be a lot to pick from. I could see the Redskins picking up 3 to 4 extra picks before the 4th round. While I understand you require a partner to trade back but you also require "bait" and that could be the Ohio State RB. Your thoughts on trading back this year!
- kenlinkins - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:32 AM
Rich: Why is it that so many teams use the 3-4 defense if the key is finding that rare NT (and someone to back him up or use a 4 man line at times) that can handle doubles team and still be a force in the middle? Are there other benefits for the roster (i.e. like finding a real MLB vs two LB's OR easier for OLB to cover smaller areas and rush the passer, harder for O-Line to know where heat is coming from)? It seems to me that finding 2 DT's that can play in a 4-3 is easier than finding that one true NT that doesn't eat his way into and then out of the job!
- rtcwon - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM
Simply put, 4-3 is better against the run, 3-4 is better against the pass. 3-4s also generate more turnovers as it is easier to disguise rushers and coverages. Everybody runs 4-2-5 nickle the majority of snaps anyways so base alignment is not that important. But as the rules have shifted to favor passing, 3-4 base is more prudent.
In any defense, pass rusher is the most important position followed by CB. I think you are way over valuing the importance of NT or ILB.
- ohioskins - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:36 AM
I would love to see Scott draft Zeke Elliott at 21. I was born and raised in Richmond, so the 'Skins are in my blood, but i live in Columbus, OH now, and I've been watching this young man closely for the last 2 years. He would be perfect. Zeke is a powerful runner. He can bust through the line, shed tackles and make people miss. He also has the speed to take it to the house from almost anywhere on the field; I've seen him do this on multiple occasions. He's also a really accomplished receiver out of the backfield. And to top it all off, He can be a devastating blocker on pass pro. Really just a great all around back. Hell man, I'm getting excited just thinking about the possibility of Zeke with the Skins.
- kenlinkins - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:31 AM
From one Columbus Ohio (Worthington Hills) / Redskins fan to another, do you think Elliott's complaining about the head coach / OC late in year will hurt him in the eyes of GM's who are looking for "Team First" talent? While he came back and said all the right things after the fact, you could tell he was not happy about the way he was used.
- ohioskins - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:26 AM
I don't think so, nor should it. If you look at Zeke's history, that was completely out of character for him. It was born more of frustration in the moment than anything else; especially any selfish motives. That loss I would lay, for the most part, squarely on the coaching staff. Heck, even Urban came out later and admitted they had screwed up that night. It was a perfect night; rainy, cold, to hand the ball to Zeke and let him pound Sparty. But instead of handing off to Elliott, they kept going to Barrett; options, sweeps, quarterback draws, none of which were working. Zeke only got something like 10 or 12 touches the whole game. I don't blame him for being frustrated. Yea, he made a bad decision with his comments, but he's a 20-21 year old kid. They make bad decisions. Also, like I said, it was completely out of character for him. I know Scott's smart enough to look at the whole situation, and Zeke's record, both off and on the field, talk to him at the combine, and come to the right decision…. draft Elliott…
- kenlinkins - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM
Being able to prove you can learn from a mistake is a positive in most NFL coach's eyes. I still have him as the top RB in the draft and the only true first round RB talent, but that kid from Alabama might fit better in a power running game, but I am not totally sold on Henry even as a 2nd round pick. It would be a nice problem to have (i.e. Elliott still in play and a few NFL teams offering the Redskins a nice deal to trade back). The flip side to that coin is hearing for years the Redskins traded away a shot at drafting the next great NFL RB.
- renhoekk2 - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:05 AM
If McCloughan looked at Knighton's play from the previous season in DEN and thought he was worth signing, his numbers indicate that he had the same type of season this year. He played one fewer game but he would have ended up with the same amt of tackles and sacks. NT is not about numbers anyway. It's about occupying blockers for others to make plays. If the other players don't make those plays I'm not sure how you fault the NT. Unless there is a ton of tape showing Knighton going completely unblocked and still not making the tackle, or him getting blown backwards a lot (I doubt either happened very often), he did what a NT does. There are not very many full blown NT around. If you want to upgrade from Knighton for next season you are talking about using your first rd pick on a NT. Not sure that is good value. Was he better than Cofield? Probably. So he was an upgrade. Not sure anyone was expecting him to play lights out football. Seems like a lot of people expect FA to play their best football ever because they signed for their team. And there is no way to know how much his headache condition affected his play. There may have been games where he played throw some stuff,
- ET - Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15 AM
I'm mostly in agreement with you re: Knighton. He was definitely an upgrade over Cofield. His presence allowed Chris Baker to play his natural position, and Baker delivered. An NT's job isn't really to create plays or stats; it's to occupy one or more opposing blockers / lanes so other members of the front seven can make plays. I'm not certain the front office can find a better NT at an acceptable cost. (If they can, I'm all for it!)
The major thing about Pot Roast is conditioning. He needs to play more consistently over long drives and when the defense is on the field more than expected (see Green Bay game when their run game was at-will). If the Skins can get him better prepared this offseason, I think Knighton will pay off.
- 1222tmiller - Jan 22, 2016 at 2:05 PM
The real problem is our ILB. We need an upgrade there. We definitely had a better D Line this year then last, yet they didn't seem to be making more plays. To me that is our #1 need. A young DT to bring up the ranks is #2. Depth at CB is #3. I think people forget all the talent that got hurt this year. When they are back, the Redskins will be a much better team. The O Line just needs time to mature and work better as a team. Loosing Kory early in the season slowed that development. He is 32 with 2 years left on his contract. We need to think about he replacement at some point. Maybe use a higher draft pick on center next year. If Reiter continues his development and makes it off the practice squad this coming year, we may not need to worry about our future center. It looks like I am in the minority that we don't need to make big changes this coming year. That isn't how you develop a team. We need to draft good young talent, let them mature (2 – 4 seasons) have them try to win the starting job. All these quick fixes in free agency don't work and cost too much.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:39 AM
I really liked what Jamison Crowder added to the offense this year. What I didn't like was a much worst performance fielding punts. After watching many of his games playing for Puke I was surprised he didn't become the dangerous threat returning punts that this team has been seeking for years now. It's really a credit to just how fast the NFL is because Crowder looks considerably slower on the field.
- bangkokben - Jan 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM
Was Crowder under-utilized? No. His numbers were higher at the beginning of the year because Jackson missed the first half of the season and Reed missed some time as well. Was it the coaches or the QB not targeting him? Doesn't matter. With all hands on deck Crowder is the fourth option.
Knighton for nose is not necessary. He got redirected many times in the run game and became a BIGASS barricade for OUR team's backside pursuit when running outside. He couldn't stay in his gap, over pursing LBs or LBs that couldn't fight off blocks allowed for huge gains. Here's a list of FA 34DTs according to overthecap.com. and their cap hits last year for what it's worth:
Terrance Knighton Redskins $4,450,000 2016 UFA
Sammie Lee Hill Titans $3,800,000 2016 UFA
Letroy Guion Packers $2,750,000 2016 UFA
BJ Raji Packers $2,750,000 2016 UFA
Steve McLendon Steelers $2,416,667 2016 UFA
Damon Harrison Jets $2,356,000 2016 UFA
Al Woods Titans $2,000,000 2016 UFA
Ian Williams 49ers $1,600,000 2016 UFA
Kedric Golston Redskins $1,100,000 2016 UFA
Barry Cofield Giants $870,000 2016 UFA
Jaye Howard Chiefs $633,716 2016 UFA
As for safety, the last thing the Redskins need to do is overpay for safety. Eric Berry is super but I'd be wary signing anyone long-term with CANCER FREE marked on their physical. Hooray for Mr. Berry but that seems risky for an organization that has been snake bit in all of it's attempts to solve the safety issue. (Archaletta, Otogwe, Rambo & Thomas, Tanard Jackson, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty, Laron Landry just for starters.) Injury, bad fit, poor draft, lack of true talent, and drug suspension. Do we really need to add life-threatening disease to the list?
As for Elliot. Would a good back really solve the run issue? Drafting one would answer that question.
Great point from Rich about what we don't know about potential free agents and draft picks.
- ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Jan 21, 2016 at 8:48 PM
Maybe Roberts was overused. He turned out to be a bad signing, and I suppose we needed to make sure.
Now we're sure.
- bk70 - Jan 21, 2016 at 11:31 AM
For all Redskins fans that are making draft picks, keep up the conversations but keep in mind that our GM prefers selecting mature seniors out of College/University and usually avoids under classmen.
- smotion55 - Jan 21, 2016 at 12:49 PM
I totally disagree about a nose tackle. In the 1st 2 rounds there are 5 or 6 that could come in and do more than Knighton did and play harder for sure, He would be much better 30 to 40 LBS lighter. Draft a couple of DE is an option and play Baker at nose . I would Draft a DE 2nd round or fastest strongest OLB in the 2nd round. As far as Goldson he has 0 deed money cap hit so whatever they do there is OK . This GM seems to land on his feet with secondary players and now that he has been here for a whole year with this scouting Dept they might draft 1 mid to late rounds. Eric Berry is not the answer, why would he leave K. C. I would not mind drafting Elliott in the 1st Round and a Center at some point maybe 3rd round. As long as he picks good players that watch tape and study we should be just fine .
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:42 PM
Baker at nose didn't work out before and won't work out now. His best position is DE in a 3-4.
- goback2rfk - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:05 PM
Big Swaggy can play anywhere on the D-Line homie.
- Trey Gregory - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:46 AM
He CAN. But that doesn't me he's good at it. Baker had a breakout season this year, when they moved him and stopped trying to make him a 0 technique. I don't think it's a good idea to rely on Baler to play nose tackle.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 9:44 AM
Baker is not an anchor. He is a big guy who moves well and is very athletic. He excels in Joe Barry's 3-4 at DE spot because he can attack and shot gaps. it gives him more space and less chance of working against multiple blockers. As Trey stated his best season by far was playing DE. It's not even a contest when comparing his performance at NT.
- JOHNNY B - Jan 21, 2016 at 2:51 PM
With Hatcher being done we need his replacement fast. Murphy is good there but not great. DL 1st pick. Keep Hatcher for 1 more year as a backup give his knees a rest. Keep potroast on a team friendly deal. Bring back Galette and the front 5 are good. Not sure on Robinson a great 2014 season sucked 2015.
- Hugh c forward - Jan 21, 2016 at 7:32 PM
Remember knight on had cluster headaches for a significant part of the season before he got them under control. ASA former sufferer I can tell you they drain the body of energy and you can't just bight your lip and play through them. Just a thought.
- rtcwon - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:33 PM
Um, he said the ONE during the bye week was the only time EVER he got them not during the summer.
Just a fact.
- hcforwardcom - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM
The reason they are called cluster, is because they come in clusters, usually from 1 to 2 months long. You cannot have just one headache. He talked quite a bit about how it was affecting him. Do some research before you flip people off.
- rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 2:08 PM
The one I emphasized was the one bout, which caused him to missed the one and only game he has ever missed due to the condition. I knew nothing about the condition, I was just repeating what he said.
Any implication that the condition affected his play in any other game directly contradicts what he said. Your statement that he "had cluster headaches for a significant part of the season before he got them under control" is absolutely inaccurate in both regards as the man himself also said no one seems to know how to control them. You even said you can't play through them so the fact that he played ever other game should indicate to you that he only suffered them during the bye week.
But I can do research and you are also wrong that the clusters usually last 1 to 2 months. While they MAY last months, cluster periods are typically measured in weeks. Everyone's experience is different; instead of transferring your experience to him, research what we HE SAID about HIS experience.
- hcforwardcom - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:34 PM
Please read the ESPN post to begin your research. http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21326/cluster-headaches-a-living-hell-for-redskins-nt-terrance-knighton
- rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 6:25 PM
Thanks for the link. I now know where you're coming from. Keim is one of the few good sources but I clearly don't read every one of his stories. However, there is only one line in the whole piece that would support your claim that they affected him a significant part of the season. And you'll notice it is a statement by Keim, not a direct quote from Knighton.
Because he's been dealing with the headaches over the past month, he felt another onset.
Also, there are only two lines that go against my memory of a direct quote from Knighton that he has never missed a game from them before and they previously only hit during the off-season. One is a statement by Keim and the other a quote from his mom.
In college, he played with one because he worried how teams would view him once they knew.
"Sometimes he can play through them, but this one being that it lasted longer than most has been scarier."
And there are two lines that support my memory of his previous statement including a direct quote from Knighton that contradicts both of the lines above that he has played through them before.
Even Knighton said the headaches he got eight days ago were among his worst (made after the NE game, putting the cluster during the bye)
"Usually when you get these headaches you want to bang your head through a wall. I'm pretty sure football could do some damage to it, if you do have one [in a game]. I haven't had to deal with that. I would be skeptical about going back on the field, because it's so debilitating. It would be hard to concentrate on the game."
So again, based on the man's own words, the cluster during the bye week was the only time he was affected during the season. That said, I will concede he seems to be admitting to have hidden this condition in fear of decreasing his earning potential.
Regardless, I feel any impact from this condition to have minimal affect on his play and feel his play this year on a 'prove it' deal proved he should receive a multi year deal at a higher salary.
- goback2rfk - Jan 21, 2016 at 9:04 PM
Free Agents: I am looking at Von Miller LB as a potential target. Along with Josh Norman CB both UN-restrcted free agents I believe.
- rtcwon - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:28 PM
No way either get out of their current city. Same with Berry. Please do not consider them available.
- Trey Gregory - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:43 AM
@abanig: Your plan looks good and everything. But I don't understand why you're so certain the Jets won't resign Wilkerson? Or that McCloughan would pay the huge contract that he's going to fetch. It seems so counterintuitive to what he did last offseason.
I know Knighton wasn't great. But I think people are overlooking that Scot values leadership; he wants to make sure there's a winning culture/attitude in that locker room. It's well documented that Knighton and Goldson were two of the biggest leaders this season and everyone believe they will both be gone. Knighton maybe won't play as well as Wilkerson (maybe he will, he has the potential) but he will also probably be less expensive and he's already shown he can add to the organization in other ways.
I agree with Redskinsname that we will probably sign Junior Galette to a pretty big contract. I think that's the splash we will make this offseason. Galette and Kerrigan would be two of the better duos of pass rushers in the league. That's way too valuable to pass on. If we spend big on Galette, why would we waste a player like Smith as a backup OLB? He seems more natural inside with his hand in the dirt anyway, then Murphy would be the rotational player/backup OLB with guys like Houston Bates as the backups.
I agree with you that we NEED a stout Dline before most things on this team. I also think there's some good defensive linemen in the first round of this draft. It's just a question of if one falls to us, and if Scot wants to pull the trigger on that. But we can get some relatively inexpensive talent early in this draft. It might be worth the growing pains.
Also, Ihenacho. He's been injured most of the season the past two seasons. Why is he a guy people want to keep around? He's really only okay. Good against the run but his coverage skills are awful. That seems to be the bash on Goldson, but Goldson stays healthy, and provides that leadership. I'm just not sold on Ihenacho.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 9:47 AM
"@abanig: Your plan looks good and everything. But I don't understand why you're so certain the Jets won't resign Wilkerson?"
Wilkerson may not even have a choice since the Jets management indicated they'd consider a franchise tag on him at 16 million. If Jets follow suit with that it shows how pricey this guy would be in the FA market.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 22, 2016 at 9:56 AM
"Also, Ihenacho. He's been injured most of the season the past two seasons. Why is he a guy people want to keep around?"
I've heard of more unicorn sightings at FedEx than reports of Ihenacho playing on the field. He has been more of a aberration to the fans but the coaches seem to like him. As long as he comes at a low cost and we can get some youth at safety next season then I think we'll be fine there. It feels like a Sean Taylor curse has struck the team because the Redskins haven't looked good in that position since we lost him on that fatal day.
- rtcwon - Jan 22, 2016 at 12:40 PM
1 – He is cheap
2 – He is the best they have had since Taylor
3 – If past injuries were indicative of future injures, there would be no games as everyone would be hurt.
The injury prone label probably applies to less than 5% of all players but fans seem to apply it to everyone who has been hurt twice.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:50 AM
"If past injuries were indicative of future injures, there would be no games as everyone would be hurt."
Who stated this? Also how many games has Ihenacho played in the last two seasons or even three seasons. If anyone falls into the prone categories of your arbitrary less 5% it would be him.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:59 AM
" He is the best they have had since Taylor"
How can you state this when he hasn't been on the field? Laron Landry was the best since Taylor and even he managed to get on the field more than Inenacho. His only significant time on the field was in 2013 since he arrived in 2012. He still was injured at time during that year. So that is 3 straight years of mostly absences. Not injury prone?
Denver cut him 4 times and the last after 2013. Since the Redskins have had him he has played maybe 3 games. You have to play before you can be rated the best since Taylor.
- rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 2:45 PM
You're making the same argument in two different posts. You believe the guy has been hurt too much to expect him not to be hurt again or to even evaluate his play. I disagree. I don't believe any player is more likely to be injured than any other player regardless of previous history. And neither of us will likely change sides.
But I do live in Denver and know his story better than you. So I was surprised when he was picked up as a 'teams guy' after he lost his job in Denver. When Ward was signed, Duke was released because Bruton & Bolden are better on teams.
Speaking of Bruton & Bolden, both are FAs and I would love either one in burgundy & gold.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:02 PM
I never implied Ihenacho will get hurt again. I strictly stated he hasn't been on the field much since he was signed. My discussion was relegated to what he has done and not what he will do.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:14 PM
"Speaking of Bruton & Bolden, both are FAs and I would love either one in burgundy & gold."
Which do you prefer? I see both can provide special teams help. We could use a punt returner since I don't think Crowder is capable enough. So Omar looks like he may be bigger need and he is younger.
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I thought you were supposed to use it immediately when opened and then replace it right away, but I have not heard to replace an unopened bottle. I wouldn't if it hasn't expired.
oh ok, maybe i just read an answer incorrectly, maybe someone had said to replace it when it was opened, just wanted to clarify! thanks!
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Its not necessary to throw hydrogen peroxide away 24 hours after its opened.
Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2 which is an unstable molecule that breaks down into H2O and O+ which bonds with another O+ to form O2. It does slowly weaken over time but there's nothing wrong with it, and it doesnt go bad or become ineffective after 24 hours.
The reason it is in a brown bottle is because it becomes more unstable in presence of light and heat and also if it is shaken. So as long as you keep the bottle tightly closed in a dark, cool spot and don't shake it up it should keep for weeks or months.
The hydrogen peroxide we buy at the store is usually 3% which is more stable than the 20-40% hydrogen peroxide that has an MSDS that list a half-life of 8 hours-20 days so maybe that's where the confision comes from? Not sure but either way 24 hours is pretty overzealous. You can also keep it in the refrigerator to extend the life.
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For Rell
Last week, an Op Ed contributor wrote that the majority of guns in the United States have never killed anyone. He said that only "criminals, gangs and 'challenged' people'" can be held responsible. Another man wrote that everyone should have the right to own as many hand guns as they wish, and yet another insisted that drugs — not guns –fuel violence. I agree that drugs instigate violence, especially in Williamsport. I understand that triggers do not pull themselves, and I can sympathize with those who hunt for sport or keep a gun for protection.
But yesterday, a boy I went to high school with was shot and killed. The cause of death was not the fist of a criminal, or a drug overdose. He died from a bullet. What may have been a scuffle turned into a murder, and a gun made it possible. So if the statistics don't do it for you, then I'd like to know: Would you give up your gun if it meant saving a kid in your town? If not, then you are at least part of the gun problem in this country. But if you would, then please call Rep. Marino or your county's representative. Tell them that we are desperate for tighter gun control.
Maria Giordano