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Skip to comments.Man has no regrets defending Oklahoma City pharmacy (armed robber shot and killed)
Posted on 05/22/2009 1:48:45 PM PDT by Drew68
Jerome Ersland was back at work Thursday filling prescriptions and hoping that by taking the life of a 16-year-old boy two days earlier, he had saved others.
Rubbing an oversized bandage on his left forearm, where he said he was grazed by a robbers bullet, Ersland related details of what he said was a highly organized hit on the Reliable Discount Pharmacy.
"I just regret anybody would get killed, Ersland said. "But if I wouldnt have been here, there would have been three people killed the other pharmacist and the two techs.
He also recalls the angry voices of people who gathered outside the pharmacy Tuesday night, shouting that he was a racist who unnecessarily took a life of the Seeworth Academy charter school student, Antwun Parker.
"There were a lot of black people gathered out there yelling and everything at my boss, Ersland said.
An organized hit
After the pharmacy near SW 59 and Pennsylvania was robbed two years ago, the owner installed new security measures to try to make sure his employees would never again be forced to a back room and pistol-whipped. "We have a very good security system, Ersland said, motioning to the magnetic door locks that wont let anyone in or out of the store without permission. "The door locks, and they (robbers) knew that. They had cased it because they knew exactly what time to hit us when wed have all of our narcotics out and our money out.
About 10 minutes before 6 p.m., Ersland said, two robbers wearing ski masks waited for someone to leave the pharmacy and then grabbed the open door and threw down a board to stop the door from closing.
The robbers went in cursing and yelling, ordering employees to give them money and drugs, Ersland said.
Two women who were working behind the counter ran for a back room where they would be safe, but Ersland said he couldnt run. Ersland said hes a veteran with disabilities from wounds he received in Operation Desert Storm, wears a cumbersome back brace and just had his latest back surgery six weeks ago.
"All of a sudden, they started shooting, he said. "They were attempting to kill me, but they didnt know I had a gun. They said, Youre gonna die. Thats when one of them shot at me, and thats when he got my hand.
Ersland said he was thrown against a wall, but managed to go for the semiautomatic in his pocket.
"And thats when I started defending myself, he said. "The first shot got him in the head, and that slowed him down so I could get my other gun.
But as one robber hit the floor, Ersland said, a bullet from the other robber whizzed past his ear.
The pharmacist said he then got his second gun from a nearby drawer, a Taurus "Judge.
After he had the big gun, Ersland said, the second robber ran.
But as he started to chase after the second robber, Ersland said, he looked back to see the 16-year-old he had shot in the head getting up again. Ersland said he then emptied the Kel-Tec .380 into the boys chest as he kept going after the second robber.
"I went after the other guy, but he was real fast and Im crippled, Ersland said.
Outside the pharmacy, he said he saw what he thought was a third black male in a car with the engine running and reaching for what appeared to be a shotgun.
"I pulled out my Judge and pointed it right between his eyes and he floored it, Ersland said.
The investigation
Because of the sensitive nature of the investigation, police said they could not confirm any of Erslands story, including whether Ersland was shot, whether the robbers ever fired on him or even if Parker was armed. On Thursday, police were still looking for the second robber, described as a black man in his 20s, about 5 feet, 7 inches tall, and weighing about 175 pounds. The man was last seen wearing a red shirt and dark pants.
A man was arrested about a block away after crashing a stolen car that fit the description Ersland gave, but police said the man has not been linked to the robbery.
After the gunfire
When he went back in the pharmacy, Ersland said, he called police.
"I asked if the girls were all right, and they were in the back crying, he said. "I was glad to know they were alive. We were lucky and Im glad I defended us, because I feel that a person has a right to defend themselves at their home or at their work. People deserve to be safe and not be afraid of people that want to take money when they dont work for it.
Thats what the Second Amendment and the states "concealed carry license are for, he said.
"Fortunately, God made them miss me, except for this minor scratch, Ersland said.
"I was able to return fire and protect the girls lives. God was helping me.
Pharmacist Jerome Ersland:
No photo of dead robber, Antwun Parker, who, I'm certain, was an honor student at Seeworth Academy.
"taking the life of a 16-year-old boy"
Gee, no bias there. He was just a "16-year-old boy." Thi guy has no soul if he doesn't feel The Shame!!! /SARC/SPIT
Bottom line is don't go around robbing people and you won't have these problems such as getting killed.
sounds to me like the pharmacy needs to move to a nice neigborhood and let the dirtbags wonder why there are no drugstores in the neigborhood.
then the messiah can put a welfare drugstore there.
It is really disturbing to me that the "Black Community" is upset that a criminal robber is killed. I would think they would be happy to be rid of him.
I suspect some are but they are in the minority.
looking for the second robber, described as a black man in his 20s, about 5 feet, 7 inches tall, and weighing about 175 pounds
Racist racist. White man shoots low life black.
"He also recalls the angry voices of people who gathered outside the pharmacy Tuesday night, shouting that he was a racist who unnecessarily took a life of the Seeworth Academy charter school student, Antwun Parker."
Racist scumbags who only see the color of the skin of the (thankfully now dead) perp and (the thankfully still alive) Mr. Ersland. They deserve the crime that assuredly riddles their pathetic racist lives...
"Ersland said he then emptied the Kel-Tec .380 into the boys chest as he kept going after the second robber."
HELL YEAH. Stop him, permanently!
And to any trolls out there, I'd be saying EXACTLY the same thing if the races of all involved were reversed!
"The man was last seen wearing a red shirt and dark pants."
should have been described as "dark smelly pants"
That one was good but I kinda got a warm and fuzzy from this passage:
"he looked back to see the 16-year-old he had shot in the head getting up again. Ersland said he then emptied the Kel-Tec .380 into the boys chest as he kept going after the second robber."
I'd like to think that young Antwun had a few moments to ponder the poor life decisions he had made before his chest was pumped full of lead.
* That a black criminal-on-white-victim crime occurred
* That the criminal was shot and killed
* That the local black community ignorantly screams "RACISM!" against someone who served his country just so that they would have the freedom to be so completely in denial.
"Judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character", eh? The Black Community has fallen so far since those immortal words. And I blame liberals for this.
"My baby ain't never hurt nobody."
I own 3 Kel Techs, P-11, P-32, PF-9 all made down the road in Cocoa.
It is a shame when a drug store has to buzz everyone in and out to prevent robberies.
Un-flippin'-real. The guy was shooting at him. Good job Mr. Ersland. Maybe it'll make others think twice next time they see your store as a target. Next time, get them ALL.
My wife's a pharmacist and has worked retail, mail order, home infusion and hospitals. She's told me that retail is the worst. She is happy to be in a hospital environment. She knows pharmacist friends who have had a pistol shoved in their face more than once.
His carry gun - and the one that saved those several lives - was a "mouse gun."
Goes to show that you don't need heavy artillery for self defense.
One less burden for the tax payers to support for many, many years.
Awesome! His other gun - "Judge."
With s little luck, Mr. Ersland might be able to spot the 2nd robber at No 1's funeral.
It might be a good idea to bring the "Judge" along, too.
What the hell is "sensitive" about an armed robbery investigation?? They have THREE witnesses! They can't confirm whether the guy was shot or not? If there was a gun used by the robbers?
Methinks this smells HIGHLY of political correctness and racism!
I don't doubt it. Not only can the thief score cash from the register but they can score narcotics which can easily be turned into cash.
I really need to see the face of someone who would yell racism at a guy who fires back when there's a gun in his face.
Most of the time it's the narcs they're after.
From GreatSchools:
Seeworth Academy
Grade 8
Reading 24% (2008)
The state average for Reading was 82% in 2008.
Science 38% (2008)
The state average for Science was 87% in 2008.
Math 22% (2008)
The state average for Math was 82% in 2008.
If you can count to seven, you're an honor student.
Antwun had just gotten on the honor roll and was turning his life around. He and his 15 year old pregnant girl friend were about to be married....
Yeah right.
The stupid ass 16 year old just upped the ante by trying to rob someone with a gun. He chose to get into the game, lost the game, then the libtards want to come to his defense. EXCREMENT HAPPENS. Here's a clue to the other 16 year olds. Don't rob someone at gunpoint without the expectation that someone won't shoot your ass off. Or kill you.
>>> I own 3 Kel Techs, P-11, P-32, PF-9 all made down the road in Cocoa. <<<<<
I had a P-32 (.32 cal) but moved up to a P3AT (.380), which is the model used in this incident.
Both are outstanding self-defense pistols.
You don't "need" a .44 mag or .45 ACP to defend yourself and loved ones (or employees in this case).
You need something that you'll carry all the time and without inconvenience.
Nothing wrong with The Judge, either. It certainly put the scare into the perps.
I have that exact gun. My wife usually carries it. Nice to see a real world application and proof of its effectiveness.
I carry either a Kahr 9mm or my Springfield 1911 (full size).
According to the First Thug, what Mr. Ersland should have done, when faced with a gun in his face, simply said, "I will uphold the values of this country; waterboarding is torture. I apologize for the criminal mistakes of previous administration."
At that point, Antwun's ice-cold heart will melt. He'll put down the gun and shake Mr. Ersland's hand out of respect. The two other accomplices will see this miraculous example of "Obama-bay-uh". They'll abandon their lives of crime and commit to distributing warm-fuzzies around the world!!!
Can you just feel the love oozing here?
That would be a seventh grader at Seeworth.
My baby aint never hurt nobody."
Another advanced epidemic of "DENIAL DISEASE" in the black community.
> I don't doubt it. Not only can the thief score cash from the register but they can score narcotics which can easily be turned into cash.
And they can score ephedrine and pseudoephedrine (flu tablets) to convert into Methamphetamine, which they can convert into mega-cash.
What the heck? Sensitive nature? Sensitive? What do these Law Enforcement types find sensitive about some 16 yr. old perp, dead with a recently fired weapon in his hand, on the floor of a previously robbed pharmacy?
A man was arrested about a block away after crashing a stolen car that fit the description Ersland gave, but police said the man has not been linked to the robbery.
Yeah, it would be insensitive to make any assumptions on this matter. This "man" undoubtedly had a justifiable excuse for driving a stolen vehicle that just coincidentally matched the vehicle description of the untrustworthy, tax paying, business owning, war veteran Esland.
The Judge, by Taurus (weighs 36 oz, unloaded)
The "Executioner", aka KelTec P3-AT. (weighs 8.3 oz unloaded, less than 11 oz loaded)
Even more, if the kid is armed and is aggresive, he should expect to be met with at least equal or more force. If the libtards get their way with "gun control", aka people control, the only ones that will be armed will be the stupid thug kids. How well will that work? I guess we will be left with machetes, dogs, baseball bats, lead filled pipes, Kitchen knives and anything else we can find to defend ourselves from these unraised thugs. Sucks to be them because they will be hurt a lot worse.
I truly believe that in certain inner-city communities, armed robbery is so common among the young, male residents that it's seen as a normal occupation and the people in this community who enable this are shocked when someone resists and defends themselves, reacting, "How dare you kill him? He was only robbing you! This is what we do!"
It probably means the security system had out of state monitoring and they are not sure the judge will be able to enforce a gag order to keep said video footage off of YouTube if they prosecute the victim.
The Kel-Tec should be considered intermediary protection while going for the heavy stuff - which is eggsactly what the good pharmacist did.
Fixed it.
You are 100% correct...robbery is a normal occurance.
Be sure to catch 1:40 --wow!
>>>>> The Kel-Tec should be considered intermediary protection while going for the heavy stuff - which is eggsactly what the good pharmacist did. <<<<<<
I kind of see your point.
The Judge is "scary" looking (to a perp).
But the little Kel-Tec did the heavy lifting.
E Gads! That is probably spot on. I honestly bow to your insight. (The police dodge still stinks, though...)
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i would be banging the blonde chick instead of recording video.
No wonder my local Riley's has closed if this is the sort of thing that is going on. Never happened when I went for a game of pool unfortunately.
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Skip to comments.Singer subs 'black anthem' for 'Star Spangled Banner'
Posted on 07/02/2008 4:24:41 PM PDT by kellynla
A singer who was to perform the "Star Spangled Banner" at the presentation of Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper's State of the City address yesterday substituted the "Black National Anthem" without notifying anyone, because she says as a black, she just doesn't feel American.
"I pulled a switcheroonie on them," Rene Marie said in a report in the Denver Post.
In a video of the event, Marie had been introduced by city council president Michael Hancock, who said she would sing the national anthem. Instead, she sang "Lift Every Voice and Sing," also known as the "Black National Anthem," to the tune of the "Star-Spangled Banner."
Audience members were bewildered, council members outraged and the mayor expressed his disappointment.
"We were as surprised as anyone that jazz singer Rene Marie did not sing our national anthem at today's State of the City ceremony, as our staff had requested. As I listened to her sing, I assumed she would eventually move into the traditional Star Spangled Banner," Hickenlooper said in a statement.
Council member Charlie Brown said, "There is no substitute for the national anthem. Period. This is the State of the City address. It's not an NAACP convention."
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
I have never seen or heard of this person before today ... but I now have an overwhelming urge to punch her in the face.
Just when I am going to log off, you log on and start cracking me up! ;-)
Your experience is a common one but I also know quite a few white kids-and Mexican and Asians-who went to mostly black schools and actually acculturated into the black ambiance of those places.Not really"wiggers"but just white kids who hung out with the blacks and adopted many of their cultural patterns,especially with music and speech.
Then there were the white kids that withdrew and stayed to themselves and just plain were not very comfortable in that environment.
Hickenlooper's staff picked Marie to sing the national anthem. The mayor says he believes Marie did not intend to offend anyone or make a political statement.
Ah, RIIIIIGHT!
Just to add to my last comment:
Two white kids I would spend summers with at Lake Tahoe who went to a now notorious Oakland ghetto school in the Sixties when it was integrated.
Pete and Jerry would tell"coon jokes",mock black speech patterns and had a pretty racist perspective as we would define it today.
Yet they were powerfully in love with black music and in later years Pete had a very devoted black girlfriend.
On top of that,Jerry beat one white kid's butt who came up from Woodside talking about"those Oakland niggers".Jerry jumped on him sreaming,"Don't you EVER talk about my friends like that again".
It was almost like he was saying,"I EARNED the right to be a racist.You rich suburban snots did not"
Very strange couple of guys!
They'll be calling on her do do her little song at the Democrat convention to kick off BHO's nomination night.
"..... because she says as a black, she just doesn't feel American."
I suggest that this lady head on over to Zimbabwe and see just how long it take her to "feel American". I will bet that she would be looking for the fastest transportation home that she could find.
People who think that America is so, so awful need to get out of the country and experience the sub par alternatives out there. It might just give them a different perspective on the USA.
As for this anthem incident, it was a complete insult to the mayor, city officials, and others in attendance. She should have been pulled up short and fast by the mayor. Even though he was taken by surprise, he should get angry and get even. If I were he I would take out a full page ad in the newspaper reprimanding Ms.Marie on her insolence and lack of professionalism. From what I read she is taking a rather smug and superior attitude about the whole thing. Sort of like,"I showed them AND I got away with it." She should not be able to pull this little "switcheroonie" and suffer no repercussions.
1968 Olympics...
This ranks right up there with Roseanne Barr's spitting-and-crotch-grabbing National Anthem.
It is more popular to be called African-American, so then you can whine and blame "whitey"!
Wow. This is ridiculous.
All of you trying to say she did such a horrible thing.
If you are such a wonderful American - why are you not giving her the right to Freedom of Speech?
BOR Show is going to do a segment on this tonight.
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Spent the last few days with my preggy DIL and the original Angel Boy.
Today we went to Golden Gate Park and the Botanical Gardens.
It was a glorious blue sky day!
These might not be the best photos; I was rushed and didn't have time to focus!
Hee hee.
Pinnacles National Park, that is.
It's been a busy summer.
Last week we camped and hiked at Pinnacles, south of San Fran, and made our way up to Angel Boy/DIL for a few days.
This weekend we're off to Providence, Rhode Island to get all physical and dirty helping him prep his house to sell since he starts his tenure track professorship at University of Washington at the end of September.
So much to do in not much time!
Back to Pinnacles…which was one national park I had never before heard of until my son hiked there a while back.
Pinnacles, Muir Woods, and the Grand Canyon were all set aside as national monuments in the span of seven days in January 1908 by Teddy Roosevelt.
The night before we left, I got a concussion by doing something really stupid. I'm accident prone on the best of days, but this was stupid even for me. I was trying to show tugboat man that I could get in his truck without his help –being so short, it's a big step UP to get in — but I failed to factor in the fact that he had parked on the street which means the door is at least a foot lower 'cos of the curb. So I opened the door and proceeded to jump in, and promptly smacked my head HARD on the car. I mean HARD.
As in seeing stars hard.
As in smacking my teeth against my lip hard.
As in feeling a bit dazed and confused hard.
My pupils were round, equal, and reactive – and I didn't fall asleep, but I had a lump, a horrible headache, and was sorta nauseous, so I figured it was a mild concussion and didn't tell hub how bad it actually hurt cos he would have wanted me to go to the ER and get a CT scan and I wanted to go on the trip.
I'm a tough girl like that.
Pinnacles National Park is a United States National Park protecting a mountainous area located east of the Salinas Valley in Central California, eighty miles southeast of San Jose.
People come to Pinnacles to hike, rock climb, watch and study wildlife, view wildflowers, and experience nature. Pinnacles offers solitude, challenge, and escape from the urban interface of both the San Francisco and Monterey Bay areas.
Unlike many national parks, Pinnacles is most popular in the cooler months. During the spring, when the grasses are green and a variety of wildflowers can be seen along any trail, hiking is at its best. Fall and winter are also excellent times to visit.
During the summer, extreme temperatures can make hiking uncomfortable at best, and possibly dangerous for those who are unprepared. If you plan to visit Pinnacles from late May through early September, please check the weather forecast and plan accordingly.
We knew it was supposed to be HOT, but arriving in the afternoon, the heat of the day was already starting to abate and we got our campsite all set up before heading out to hike.
There was extreme fire danger; all campfires were outlawed, but we had a propane stove to cook dinner, so we were all set.
Our first hike was pretty easy, to Bear Gulch.
My head was pounding from what I felt was probably a traumatic brain injury but I persevered.
The cave is closed part of the year to protect bats raising their young, but was partially open and not to be missed. You need a flashlight cos parts of it are pitch black and kind of scary, but the steps are well maintained and there are handrails, too. Even if you're claustrophobic, you should go – it's that amazing.
Back at camp, we made dinner and discussed going to bed early. Without a campfire, there's not much to do at night but sleep.
We had been warned about aggressive raccoons with cautions to secure all food and aggressively shout to deter them, but NOTHING could have prepared us for what happened as the sun set.
I was relaxing, nursing a cup of tea, swallowed another acetominephen (don't take real aspirin if you even think you have a concussion or a brain bleed) and watched hub clean up after dinner. The back of the truck was open and he was half inside the camper, securely packing up the food.
Peregrine falcons and California condors took advantage of the cooling afternoon breezes to circle high above the treeline.
This is when a gang of six to eight raccoons ran under the truck and started to jump in right where hub was!
I simultaneously screamed at him to shut the tailgate and grabbed my hiking sticks, proceeding to smack them together and yell, "get out of here!" as loud as I good, which is pretty loud and they deffo got the message.
The gang ran off into the bushes for a minute, regrouped, and returned.
This went on for what seemed like forever.
These raccoons were on a rampage.
Then the raccoons split off into two groups; a couple of them were the decoys that tried to lure me away while the others aimed for hub and the food.
Hub continued to put things away and I banged the sticks together and ran interference; blocking their access to our vehicle — on their final attack, three of the little hooligans hopped on the picnic table and were figuring out a way to run off with our propane stove.
I was so involved in defending our food that I wasn't able to take any photos of the invasion.
But I took lots of pics of deer. Deer were everywhere, casually walking by our campsite; moms with fawns, family groups…it was beautiful.
We were awakened a couple of times during the night by coyotes singing, howling, and yipping so close it seemed they were right outside our tent.
We felt they were communicating approval of the way we handled the raccoon "situation" and our efforts to foil their looting.
The next morning we woke up early to beat the heat and hike before it got too hot.
Condor Gulch Trail is only about three miles round trip to the Overlook, but with a moderately steep 1,100 foot elevation. We ate lunch at the overlook, and it was a truly spectacular view.
This trail offers spectacular views of the High Peaks, whether you hike just a few minutes or the entire trail.
When we first moved here in 1985, our street was a dead end (literally).
My son and I would walk our dogs to where the pavement ended and there we abruptly entered a wonderland of nature: along narrow paths with overhanging vegetation; sage, coyote bush, sumac — and wildlife; coyotes, bobcats, deer– even a mountain lion was spotted now and again.
In other words…heaven.
It was a sad day when the bulldozers appeared and in a matter of minutes completely raped the hills, scraping the native flora down to bare earth, uprooting mature trees, and displacing dozens, if not hundreds, of animals.
It's unrecognizable now–if you hadn't lived here as long as we have, you'd never know the rich beauty that once existed.
It's regretful that the city leaders didn't and don't seem to care about respecting, protecting, and preserving native flora and fauna.
Instead of conserving and sustaining our unique beauty, they've allowed Carlsbad to become an Orange County clone — heavy on the ubiquitous business parks and subdivisions totally disconnected to the land.
They've mostly destroyed the unique personality and beauty of our little coastal town.
In my opinion.
Historically, Carlsbad/Agua Hedionda Lagoon was the former home to two Native American groups, the Luiseños and the Diegueños or Kumeyaay.
Did you know that Agua Hedionda means "stinking waters"?
(It does and it does.)
Although the Spaniards (and other settlers) decimated the Native American connection to this area, over the years I've heard about nearby sacred burial grounds that might still be intact, and that's a good thing.
In spite of the destruction of habitat, there are still a few surviving animals attempting to coexist.
In the evening, we hear the song of the coyote, not as often as we used to, but it makes us happy. Check out this audio. So close!
I've seen fresh bobcat tracks, too, but no actual visual sighting.
On a recent walk, I stepped out of my front door, walked across the street, and was immediately greeted by this amazing sight, a Great Blue Heron nearly as tall as me.
After I snapped a dozen photos, I continued walking, and spotted a White Egret.It was a day for wildlife; these are not good pics for some reason, but a couple of different rabbits made an appearance.
On a front lawn.
Overlooking Agua Hedionda.
I believe this is a Cooper's Hawk; don't think it's a Red Tailed Hawk.If I ruled the world (or at least my little part of it), I'd make sure that any planned development would respect all wildlife and make appropriate plans to not only preserve habitat, but encourage MORE animals to coexist with us.
Especially predators. We need predators. We need coyotes and bobcats and mountain lions and hawks and falcons for balance. Without them, we're inundated with their food source; rabbits, rats, and squirrels.
Can't we all just get along?
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Testing business logic quickly becomes tricky, as applications grow and scale. Example based unit and integration tests, and exploratory tests become poor choices to check and verify a large state space. Also such methods are not well-suited to clearly describe the state space / transitions we want to test.
For quite some time I have been experimenting with DSLs to write our tests at Helpshift. I recently gave a talk on "Testing business logic using DSLs in Clojure" at Functional Conf this year. I have shared my learning in the talk. Hope you enjoy it. Feel free to ask me any questions if you have.
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Google is phasing out OpenID in favour of Oauth 2.0 with a deadline on 20th April, 2015 - just 10 days from today. A lot of projects depend on google auth, and can't easily move to another OpenID provider. I recently had to fix this issue with Jenkins and Gerrit.
Jenkins has a great plugin available for this, which was a piece of cake to install and configure. But it wasn't so easy with Gerrit. Lot of gerrit users have been asking for Oauth support since May last year; we got that finally when David Ostrovsky wrote gerrit-oauth-provider plugin.
I've listed the steps I followed below :
Oauth2 credentials
Get these from Google Developers Console, note down the
client id and
client secret. Ensure the redirect url is set to
/oauth i.e.
Get the custom gerrit war file
There are a few gerrit changes the plugin needs that haven't been merged yet. A custom war is available here with the plugin. Download this
gerrit-2.10.2-18-gc6c5e0b.war file to the new gerrit server.
Backup current gerrit data
Create tarballs of the data directories and dump postgres data (if postgres is being used)
old-gerrit~$ tar czpf gerrit.tar.gz /srv/gerrit/gerrit
old-gerrit~$ tar czpf repositories.tar.gz /srv/gerrit/repositories
old-gerrit~$ pg_dump -xO -Fc reviewdb > reviewdb-$(date +%d-%m-%Y).pdump
Restore data to new gerrit server
gerrit:/srv/gerrit$ tar xzpf repositories.tar.gz
gerrit:/srv/gerrit$ tar xzpf gerrit.tar.gz
Restore pg data
psql : ALTER USER gerrit WITH SUPERUSER;
$ dropdb reviewdb
$ createdb reviewdb -O gerrit
$ pg_restore -O -d reviewdb --role=gerrit reviewdb-20-03-2015.pdump
psql: ALTER USER gerrit WITH NOSUPERUSER;
Run migrations
Gerrit requires cascading migrations to be run for every major version released. For e.g to update from 2.5 to 2.10, we have to run the following
$ sudo su - gerrit -s /bin/bash
$ java -jar gerrit-184.108.40.206.war init -d gerrit
$ java -jar gerrit-2.9.4.war init -d gerrit
$ java -jar gerrit-2.9.4.war reindex --recheck-mergeable -d gerrit
For the custom jar migration be sure to configure the Oauth plugin
``` $ java -jar gerrit-2.10.1-4-a83387b.war init -d gerrit […] OAuth Authentication Provider
Use Google OAuth provider for Gerrit login ? [Y/n]?
Application client id :
$ java -jar gerrit-2.10.1-4-a83387b.war reindex -d gerrit ```
Switch old gerrit domain name to the new server
For automatic acount linking to work, the domain name must match the old server. Otherwise the OpenID accounts will not be linked with the new Oauth2 account.
Start gerrit server and confirm everything works
gerrit:/srv/gerrit$ ./bin/gerrit.sh start
"Make integration easier. No this is too much work for the devs, make it even easier"
This has been a line which is constantly heard if you wander over to the Mobile SDK team here at Helpshift. This is something that we have tried to strictly adhere to. We have made rapid strides in that direction for both our iOS and Android native SDKs. Gradle and Maven support has made our Android integration as simple as adding a single line. The Helpshift Integration Assistant has turned the Helpshift iOS integration as easy as installing any software on your Mac.
But sadly, we have lacked that kind of sophistication with our Unity plugins. The Helpshift Unity integration is still tedious, confusing and fraught with errors when interacting with other Unity plugins. So we had to fix this situation.
Gaming has been one of our champion verticals when it comes to the Helpshift CRM solution. We have made quite a foray into the Gaming market and many of the top game companies, including Supercell, have been using our product for some time now. And a majority of the Game studios today use Unity for developing their games.
With a lot of adoption, comes a lot of different scenarios. We have had a ton of feedback from our customers about our Unity plugin. Customers didn't like the fact that we had 2 separate plugins for iOS and Android. They ran into issues due to conflicts with other plugins. The variety of folder structures that game devs follow complicated matters for us even further. This meant a big roadblock for all important customers and too much time spent in integration which undermined the core philosophy of the SDK team.
A bit of history is always good to set things in the right context. About a year and a half back, when we had just released the 1.0 version of the Helpshift SDK, our CTO, bg came to me and gave me a challenge. "There's this game development engine, Unity or something. Go and see if you can make our SDK work with a Unity game!" That led to a frantic 4 hour hack into making a Unity app and integrating our iOS SDK with it. The C# API was basically a single function back then which would launch the FAQs screen from our SDK. And integrating the plugin meant manually copying files over from one location to another. Since then, we kept making improvements piece-meal to the Unity plugin and the integration process too. But there were still gaping holes in the whole thing.
As we found out to our woe, distributing 2 separate plugins for iOS and Android was not ideal. We had to unify the packaging as well as the Helpshift API. This was fairly easy to achieve by creating a common API wrapper and adding UNITY_IOS and UNITY_ANDROID conditionals in there.
This was one of the most frequent feedbacks that we kept getting. Unity offers an easy way to add files to the project -> the .unitypackage. We needed to distribute our plugin in the same way to make it easier for developers to add the Helpshift SDK. Turned out, it was easy to create a .unitypackage from the Unity Studio UI but we wanted to make it part of the release process which meant we had to do it via the command line. Fortunately for us, some google searching led us to a good starting point. Given below is the shell script that we use to create a .unitypackage from an existing Unity project.
# Exports the Helpshift unitypackage from given Unity project
# arg-1 : path of the Unity project where Helpshift is integrated
# arg-2 : path where file needs to be exported
# arg-3 : version number
if [ "$#" -ne 3 ] || ! [ -d "$1" ]; then
echo "Usage: $0 <path_to_Unity_project> <output_path> <version_number>" >&2
exit 1
DIR_1=Assets/<dir containing your plugin files>
DIR_2=Assets/Plugins/Android # for android plugin related files
"$BIN_PATH/$BIN_FILE" -batchmode -projectPath "$PROJECT_PATH" -logFile export.log -exportPackage "$DIR_1" "$DIR_2" "$EXPORT_PATH/$EXPORT_FILE" -quit
One of the things that was a constant pain for us was the conflicts with Unity plugins like Facebook which used the XCode Editor for Unity project to modify the XCode project generated by Unity. We internally used the more humble mod_pbxproj python file which did everything we wanted to do and did it well. But the XCodeEditor project unfortunately messed around with the XCode project after we were done adding our files to it. Specifically, it removed any PBXVariantGroups which were present in the project. This meant our Localization files went for a toss and app could not see any strings.
To get around this issue, we had to make sure that our integration ran after any conflicting plugins and that we adopted this integration method right from the start. To achieve this, we had to add the HelpshiftPostProcess.cs file which could take a PostProcessBuild attribute which could be set to a high value. The higher the value, the later in the process it would be run. This file should be a Monobehaviour type of script which lies in the Editor folder of your plugins subfolder. For example, Assets/Helpshift/Editor/HelpshiftPostProcess.cs
using System;
using UnityEngine;
using UnityEditor;
using UnityEditor.Callbacks;
using System.Diagnostics;
using System.Collections;
#if UNITY_IOS || UNITY_ANDROID
using Helpshift;
public class HelpshiftPostProcess : MonoBehaviour
// Set PostProcess priority to a high number to ensure that the this is started last.
public static void OnPostprocessBuild(BuildTarget target, string pathToBuildProject)
const string helpshift_plugin_path = "Assets/Helpshift";
// Current path while executing the script is
// the project root folder.
Process myCustomProcess = new Process();
myCustomProcess.StartInfo.FileName = "python";
myCustomProcess.StartInfo.Arguments = string.Format(helpshift_plugin_path + "/Editor/HSPostprocessBuildPlayer " + pathToBuildProject + " " + target);
myCustomProcess.StartInfo.UseShellExecute = false;
myCustomProcess.StartInfo.RedirectStandardOutput = false;
The current Unity android plugin involves manually adding entries to an existing AndroidManifest.xml file, combining our res folder with the existing res folders. It was all a pain and there was minimal isolation of the Helpshift files. Recently, Unity added support for integrating Android library projects present in the Assets/Plugins/Android folder. We decided to take advantage of this fact and distribute our plugin the same way. Now our Android integration just involves the Helpshift library project to the Assets/Plugins/Android folder and letting Unity take care of the rest.
One of the difficult to achieve features for us was Push notification integration with Helpshift. There seemed to be too many different push plugins which each did things their own way. This led to many problems for our users to effectively use the excellent Push support which our backend systems provide. To get around this problem, we basically had to develop our own Unity push plugins which were built in to the SDKs. This was comparitively easy to do on the Android platform, but for iOS we had to resort to the black art of Method swizzling. But we had to make sure that there was a way for the app developers to switch this support off in the off-chance that the App store rejects the app. (We have contacted Apple support and made sure that the way we use swizzling is not something that is cause for rejection.)
To use the in-built push support, developers can simply add the below API:
This was actually one of the interesting snippets of feedback that we got from our awesome customers. To quote - "If you could add like a GUI inspector to configure the Helpshift SDK, that would be really hot!" We figured, let's give that a try. We had to go through some pretty unclear documentation about how to create a CustomEditor in Unity. Basically it involves creating an Object which derives from the Editor class and overriding the OnInspectorGUI method inside it. Then all we had to do was create the UI using the widgets in the EditorGUILayout class. To store the configuration values, we wrote a Scriptableobject which would hold all the values returned from the GUI. Saving the values could be done when the build was about to be created. We used the AssetDatabase class and it's methods to achieve this result.
AssetDatabase.CreateAsset(instance, fullPath);
Just a footnote, make sure all your instance members are Serializable by adding the [SerializeField] annotation. If you want to add some MenuItems to the Unity editor, you can do so by adding code snippets like below to the Editor class.
[MenuItem("Helpshift/Edit Config")]
public static void Edit()
Selection.activeObject = Instance;
[MenuItem("Helpshift/Developers Page")]
public static void OpenAppPage()
string url = "https://developers.helpshift.com/unity/";
The next step for us was actually passing along this configuration information to the XCode and Android projects. To do that we resorted to using JSON. The class which hold the config values would spit out the json representation of the configuration. These JSON files would then be added to the XCode project as simple data files and to the Android project as raw resources placed in the res/raw folder. Some wiring code to read them from the native SDKs and we were ready to roll.
The result
Always listen to your customers
In conclusion, I would really love to thank all of our existing customers who gave us awesome constructive feedback and spurred us on to better our own standards.
Hopefully all of you will love the changes that we have made, and also come up with even better suggestions to help us keep improving ourselves.
Exciting times ahead.
Fifth Elephant (organised by hasgeek) is probably one of the best conferences focussed on Data in India (I am biased though as I am on the Editorial Panel that curates the talks :) I gave a talk on "How to build a Data Stack" at this years edition. It was well-received as many people came up to me after my talk and asked quite a few interesting questions about their stack. I build a Data stack at Akamai and then Inmobi. Now I am doing the same at Helpshift. Each time, the same questions were asked but the answers were different due to context and the maturity of the data ecosystem. I have refined these learnings in the talk. Hope you enjoy it. Send me any questions you have, as I am always curious of how people build their stack and the learnings from them.
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Mobile applications are becoming ubiquitous in our day to day lives. They are capable of performing a wide range of tasks. They can wake us up in the morning, help us with our work out, track the calories we eat, help us stay on top of work and stay in touch with friends. They can even remind us to drink water on time !
Admittedly there are a lot of below average apps out there. But let's not focus on them for now. Let's talk about the really great ones. What factors make them great ? There are many factors that go into making a great app. Features, functionality, stability. But most people would agree it has to do with the design language of the app. The way the app engages its user is of highest priority.
But there is another important factor which gets overlooked; the efficiency of the Data layer of the application. In today's age of ultra connected, thin-client design style of writing apps, the design of the Data layer is of utmost importance too.
At Helpshift, due to the nature of the product, our mobile SDK is highly data intensive. Sending data to our servers reliably and fetching updates periodically and efficiently are the two main goals of our design.
In this post, I will try and share the knowledge that we have gathered in the process of designing such a model.
There are some unique challenges in creating data-centric thin-client apps for mobiles.
All of the above challenges need to be accounted for from the start when designing a mobile application. We have faced a similar set of challenges at Helpshift and described below is our attempt at overcoming them.
We have gone through many iterations of our SDK design, especially the data layer. As we keep adding capabilities and features, the design continues to evolve. Described below is just the current state of the data architecture.
These are the key guidelines which we try to adhere to:
This layer holds all the business logic of the Helpshift API.
The main responsibilities of the Data model are :
Resolve-Requested etc)
A typical Data Model API will look like this :
[HSIssueModel createIssue:issueText
onSuccess:^(id newIssue) {
issue = [HSIssueModel getIssue:[newIssue objectForKey:@"id"]];
STAssertNotNil(issue, @"Could not add the issue in Db");
onFailure:^() {
STFail(@"Failed to create an issue");}];
This layer forms the main data store of the SDK. At Helpshift, we use the sqlite database and raw sqlite queries. We prefer the flexibility and clarity provided by raw SQL as opposed to any ORM.
The main responsibilites of this layer are :
FAQs and
A typical Storage API will look like this :
[HSIssuesDb createIssue:issue forProfile:PROFILE_ID];
This layer serves as the client for the REST API exposed by the Helpshift servers. Every request will spawn a new thread of execution so as not to interfere with the UI thread.
The main responsibilities of this layer are :
A typical API layer API will look like this :
[HSIssueCalls createIssue:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"This is a not so random issue created at : %.2f, [[NSDate date] timeIntervalSince1970]]
onSuccess:^(id jsonData) {
STAssertNotNil(jsonData, @"We could not create an issue.");
onFailure:^(void) {
NSLog(@"Royal failure");
This is the fault tolerance layer of the SDK. The API layer will forward all the failed request packets to this layer. This can be a continuous thread running in the background which flushes the Queue periodically. The API layer will forward the
SuccessHandler received from the Model layer which will be triggered on successful completion of a request packet in the Retry Queue
The main responsibilities of this layer are :
A typical Retry API will look like this :
[HSRetryQueue addFailedRequest : failedRequest
withSuccessHandler : dataModelSuccessHandler
onFailure : ^(void) {
NSLog(@"Royal failure");
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Helpshift is an in-app mobile help desk designed to improve customer support efficiency by over 400% and reduce cost by over 70%. Our engineering team is committed to building a meticulously designed, solid SDK to improve customer retention for clients such as Flipboard, Supercell, and more . We are currently serving over 500 million app sessions weekly.
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Wow, like others have said, this really is the end of an era. I loved the fiction, no matter how varying in quality it has been. There was this one story, I'm pretty sure it's in Rise of the Runelords, but it could have been CotCT, where Eando meets these orcs, and something happens to make the orcs laugh and call out this word. Eando asks his guide what the word means, and it's basically apocalypse. And Eando just has this moment where he realizes that A) the orcs think the world is ending and B) they're laughing about it.
It was just such a tiny bit, but it's stuck with me for a decade now. Pathfinder will have to work overtime to keep me into the AP line. There's no way I'll ever be able to play all of the adventures, and some of the paths just haven't been as evocative as of late...the fiction and the bestiary were the two sections that I flipped to first. (Unless there was a demon prince/archdevil/SKR-god writeup.) And now that's half gone. It does feel a bit like a friend is moving far away.
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It seems like skills were developed mainly for out of combat usage. Combat, including cmb stuff is designed solely for obviously combat. Only spells were developed for all aspects of the game. Spells are also developed to interact with the other systems but not the reverse. You have to change that inherent blind spot if you want a class that uses combat or skills for its power.
Spells and combat maneuvers both provoke if used in threatened range. Spells Coke with a built in level scaling check to avoid this for all spells. A fighter who wants to use cmb must take feats, expending limited class features to do so. This is the way of it for so many basic features. Want to move and attack? Sack half to three quarters of your output. Want to cast and move? Sack nothing.
But ignoring that for a second. Let's make basic combat maneuvers inherent to the fighter just like weapon and armor proficiency. Take a feat for greater stuff not simply the ability to grab someone. While we look at that, how about adding throwing to the basic cmb list? Grabbing your foe and throwing him into his own men is time honored martial combat in tv and film.
Also, on the current dragoon topic....Kain is the name of a famous dragoon from Final Fantasy 4.
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Being able to redirect a spell if you save against it (or retarget someone behind you with a missed ranged attack) would go a long ways towards making cinematic combat. If I've found anything, it is that fighter damage is not bad. The ability to get into position to deal that damage is bad, for fighters as well as for rogues. If throwing a fireball at a rogue suddenly becomes the risk of the rogue leaping over the fireball and it sailing on to explode on your mooks (who you oh so carefully avoided targeting originally)...well, more considerations start coming up. Do you fling death magic at a fighter who might shrug it off hard enough that it rebounds on you? Does the half damage the fighter took from a successful save represent the fact that he caught your fireball in his bare hands and threw it back to explode in your face?
Whether that comes from allowing armor to apply to touch attacks with certain classes, or giving a defense bonus (which should have been done from the onset of d20), I'm not sure. But this ability suddenly places fighters and rogues (assuming they are the ones who get the power) back in the game, rather than having to constantly sacrifice their full attack damage potential in order to move.
Allowing skills to interact with spells better would go a long ways towards making an actual skill monkey a viable concept. Perception to beat illusions, Stealth to beat divinations, Escape Artist to bypass magic walls or abjurations, etc. All too often, a spell simply nukes any point of a skill, with their +20 bonuses, assuming they allow the skill to interact at all.
I'm a big fan of Kirth's John Carter comparisons, but I do think you should be able to let high level DnD players be solo or head of armies, and that should depend on the type/style of game you are playing. Rise of the Runelords becomes anticlimactic if you simply warp your ten thousand troops into Xin-Shalast and they murder everything in sight. So while the fighter should be able to become the warmaster of the continent and the rogue should be able to pull off crazy nonsense via their shady connections just as easily as the wizard and cleric can call in planar support, it shouldn't be a requirement.
I also stand by Kirth's statement that you need to somehow prevent CR 20s from being at the beck and call of CR 17s. You can pull off pit fiends granting favors to foolhardy wizards without providing them as controlled minions. They've snuck up 4 CRs and 7HD since the dawn of d20, quite simply they aren't the same monster that the old school stories have working for the wizard are talking about.
I'm also going to say something I don't often say...I agree with Anzyr, that making wizards (and other spellcasters) specialize would go a long way towards bringing magic back into the realms of the fantasy genre. Gandalf threw fire, drew up magic circles, broke enchantments and summoned an awesome horse, but he didn't float invisibly while casting spells through an illusion and retreat to a private demiplane the second things turned against him. Neither did Merlin. Hell, even Harry Dresden, who is a wizard in a world where being a wizard is very specifically superior to not being a wizard, doesn't just toss off spells willy-nilly, and routinely gets physically battered around. You don't need wishing simulacrums to move past the fantasy genre's expectations with PF magic. Just plain old d20 combat magic pulls that off easy.
Slowing down casting times would go a long ways towards putting magic back in the light we see it in the books. Maybe it could be highest level = spell level rounds, 2nd highest = one-half spell level rounds, third highest = 1 round and anything below that uses normal casting times. So at 1st level, your 1st level spells take 1 round and your cantrips are standard actions. At 10th level, your 5th level spells take 5 rounds, your 4th level spells take 2 rounds and your 3rd level spells take 1 round to cast. I agree with the OP premise that PF will never do this however, I'm simply stating my agreement for the record.
When I think high level fantasy settings, I think the Book of Malazan the Fallen. Within that series (and I'm only halfway through so please don't spoil it), there are fighters who literally battle gods. There is an order of monk-fighters that sent an 'army' consisting of three individuals...and they were absolutely worth a real army. The wizards can teleport, pull energy, detect/dispel magic, etc...but most of them have very specific talents with their magic. The one wizard who can pull off multiple different varieties of magic is considered incredibly rare. And when magic goes up against martial, it's anyone's guess who wins.
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Seriously though...
The Rival was the original 'reverse flash' for Jay Garrick. He used a temporary formula known as Velocity 9 to gain speed and fight the Flash. It all makes sense if the Jay we know is actually some version of Edward Clariss, whether it is a Jay-clone, or something else.
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I believe
the Iron Mask is Jay.
The "Jay" that has been running around without speed? Few possibilities.
1. Clone.
Seriously though, Zoom feels like Savitar.
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You seem to have poor expectations from them, while I do my best to avoid the constant deluge of spoilers out there and maintain no expectations from them. I'm just basing my speculations off what we've seen happen or foreshadow. It's not a matter of faith in the writers per se, just thoughts on what has been teased and potential directions to take it in. It is entirely possible, even likely, for that not to be the case.
If I could make DC shows stop doing one thing, it would be killing off/burying characters on shows that do not exist within the same canon.
If I could make them stop doing two things, the second would be an immediate ban on the use of 52. Every stupid address, every hotel room, every secret lab, all 52.
I'm lying of course, if I could get them to do one thing, it would be to put out an assassination contract on any one involved in PR releases that are basically just spoilers. I'm so sick of them.
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Caineach wrote:
I said no such thing. I simply said we don't have evidence of the contrary. And we certainly don't have evidence that Barry/Iris is going to be a thing again. They aren't making either one more tender or meaningful to each other...they seem like normal, brother/sister/best friends at this point.
It could go either way. I would just be surprised that they only brought Patty in for a few shows and then axed her when she and Barry clearly have excellent chemistry.
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derpdidruid wrote:
You absolutely are not. The self righteous indignation from some of those giving you advice is what I was responding to.
If you were my player, I would have let you solo session to catch up, if you'd wanted to make it happen quicker.
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First off, love your handle.
Secondly, 'punish' means to harm one in response to a breach of the rule/law/etc. I prefer the term 'consequence', which is a bit more neutral in motivation. If you are on a cliff ledge, and it crumbles, you aren't being punished for being there. But there will be consequences. Sometimes consequences aren't things you are at fault for. To me, that's very life-like.
Thirdly, I don't feel that a one or two level gap is critical. I've had to deal with being a 1st level character in a 9th level party. You can still have fun, unless your only fun comes from incessantly comparing yourself to your fellow players' character. Especially with a DM who is able to put things into the encounters that play off your strengths, or your lack of strength.
Fourth, if you have not put as much work (ie playtime) into a character as the others, I see no reason you should have the same character power.
Finally, while I prefer some consequence to death and some reward to more play, my chief objection is to the idea that coming in a level lower (or at level 1) is A) insurmountable and B) a dick DM move. I don't personally make players come in at level 1, but I absolutely support the concept if the DM chooses to run the game like that. The player entitlement crowd has always irked me.
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Ignoring all of the blubbering about how unfun it is to play at a lower level than the rest of the party, I'd like to counter the assertion that you will be permanently behind the rest of the party forever.
Let's assume the party is level 5, and you are level 3. On the medium track, that means you are 10,000 XP behind the party. And let's assume you are allowed to do NOTHING to catch up XP-wise.
The party gains 6th level at 23,000. You will be at level 4 with 13,000 xp.
The party gains 7th level at 35,000. You will be at level 6 with 25,000 XP.
The party gains 8th level at 51,000. You will be level 7 with 41,000. Before they are even half way to 9th level at 75,000, you will be 8th level. After this, the XP gap narrows to less than 20% of the next levels. The time spent, if any, at a lower level will drop to insignificance.
This happens no matter what level you are. The most severe two level gap would be with a 3rd level party and 1st level character. It will also be the quickest corrected, since it is a 5000 xp gap. Playing in a 12th level party with a 10th level character, or a 20th level party with a 18th level character is hardly even noticeable, assuming even a moderate lack of entitlement.
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The show isn't terrible. Like has been said, a disappointing take on the original material, but long ago I got over my favorite books being done 'wrong' on the screen. Different interpretations, or in this case, a completely different story. It's all good.
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Marik Whiterose wrote:
This is easily DC's most annoying feature for me, dating all the way back to the Bat-Embargo for Justice League.
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I don't think we have any indication that Iris is going to be the goal of Barry, and do we know that Patty is leaving for real, rather than for a bit, in order to evolve her character into the CSI character she was meant to be?
I like Barry and Patty together, but I want to see Patty's badassery stop backfiring. I can't believe they would write her out for good. Unlike Felicity, Barry and Patty are a couple in the comics.
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alexd1976 wrote:
Your group's houserules are no concern to the rules forum. Verbal spellcasting still provokes an AoO. Silent, stilled spellcasting still provokes an AoO. Fake attacks from an untrained unarmed fighter do not provoke an AoO.
You don't have metagame knowledge of my group, so you'll probably want to stay away from assumptions about what they do and don't.
Since you like to make up "rules" like pumping swords menacingly, I don't really see what relevance your ideas have to the thread.
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alexd1976 wrote:
No this is nonsense, and the sort of nonsense that results in the 'I pump my sword menacingly' defense. Absolutely zero support for this position in the rules book.
There are mechanics that operate off 'meta' knowledge. How do I tell the difference between a guy scratching his butt and one casting a spell? I get an AoO. How can I tell if the guy is faking a punch at my face with his untrained unarmed strike? I don't get an AoO. What is the difference between a guy who pretends to pull the trigger while pointing a gun at my head and one who does? I get an AoO to take the gun away from him or stab him with my dagger, because bringing a gun to a knife fight is dumb.
There are plenty of triggering actions where the player may or may not be privy to all of the meta knowledge going on. They still trigger, and they still function.
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I don't see the issue.
The rules are quite clear that the readied action resolves (entirely) before the triggering action.
1. Attack and....
2. Hold up. Readied action triggers.
3. Readied action attack. 5-ft step during readied action allowed. Used to move readied attacker back 5-ft.
4. Now attacker, you get to take your action. You cannot change it at this point, you still need to attack the readier, unless you physically can no longer do so (if for instance, you were paralyzed or killed or teleported to another planet from the readied action.).
5. Excellent. I will take the 5-ft. step I am allowed during my attack action, move into range and complete my attack.
The only interrupt is the one from the readier.
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Byakko wrote:
I am sympathetic to your concern, but not your solution. I well realize how frustratingly long it is to deal with combat, particularly when someone brings up a tactic that someone else involved isn't aware of. I do not think that the solution is to change the rules, which has only in my experience, led to confusion as certain swaths of the gaming public is working off one iteration and others a newer set of rules. Anytime the rules have to be consulted in game, the game bogs down. If there are differing interpretations once the rules are read, it bogs down further.
Luckily, for a GM who is concerned with the length of combat, the solution is simple...don't employ it. It's not tactically sound or overpowering, and only useful in niche situations, where players continue doing the same thing over and over again. If it is the players who are using the tactic, an OOC "I prefer we don't use this option in the interest of speeding combat along" goes a long way. If they cannot abide by such a gentleman's agreement, simply never perform the triggering action and have them lose their turn over and over again until they come around to your way of thinking.
Again, this isn't a good tactic. It's almost never superior, and it cannot be counted on in any event, unless the DM is readying one NPC against another who the DM will force to follow the script.
What is important is that people understand the rules that can be involved (5-ft step DURING being a big one here) and how they playout, moreso than adjusting orders of resolution, limits on valid triggers, etc.
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I'll happily admit there is a problem with the rules, Byakko, when someone can explain precisely what the problem is.
It seems to me that most people have a bigger problem with the concept of taking a 5-foot step 'during' an attack than they do with readied actions over all.
There is no invincibility glitch, unless your house ruling ends up making one.
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The 'which square is he in' argument is ridiculous.
If I am a 10th level fighter taking a full attack, I have 2 attacks.
I make one attack against a guy. I currently threaten as per the square I started in. I now use my 5ft. step DURING the full attack to shift north one square. Immediately, for my purposes, I now threaten as though I was in the new square. Since this is not only on my turn but within my action, no one is going to be making/provoking attacks of opportunity or targeting me, so the fact that at the beginning of my action I was in one square and at the end of my action I was in another doesn't come into play. I make my second attack from the northern square.
How is that difficult? At what point does that break down?
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Chess Pwn wrote:
Okay here's one Kain. I'm only able to to make one attack on my turn due to bab. The enemy is forced to make a charge against me on his next turn. I ready a brace weapon against his charge. My initiative had me right before him anyways. When he charges I get my braced attack and deal more damage than if I had moved and attacked him. How is this not superior? Where is the flaw?
Why is the enemy forced to make a charge against you? Who are the other combatants in this scenario? Is this a one on one fight with Chargey McChargerson and you?
Because when you ready your action with a spear, the last thing I do is charge. I drink a potion in front of you and move half way in. Utter waste of your turn, and the next round starts with me in normal range and buffed. Or I move in under total defense, enjoying a +4 bonus to AC the next round and still wasting your turn.
I'm not even sure the endgame merits arguing against the scenario though. You do one attack that deals more damage...the superior condition is met (assuming your scenario can be defended), but is this what you call 'overpowering'? Is this akin to melee invincibility?
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I will add this to what Coriat has already handled.
If your complaint is that the rules 'should' allow things to be resolved at the same time, or 'should' prevent 5-ft steps, that's fine. I'm not going to argue that, because I don't really care. My point has ever been that if the rules themselves are followed, the concerns raised about 'invincible' characters never emerge.
If you think you can provide a setup in which the readied action can be shown to be in most ways superior or overpowering, I welcome it. I will deconstruct any such scenario and point out to you why it does not, cannot or will not resolve as you have imagined.
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So BNW's argument against readying boils down to that it can be a good tactic. The game shudders at the thought.
He has chosen to ignore all the ways in which it can be countered, which have been brought up ad nauseum for his edification, which makes his declaration that other people 'need to stop saying that [argument that he feels he has addressed]' a touch ironic, bordering on obloquy. The upper hand held by the readied action is the essence of fugacity, as repeated gambles on the quality of one's round vs the potential quality of one's round are doomed to eventually swing in favor of the house. Often on the very first hand.
The archer example. "I ready a move action to run adjacent to the archer when he fires."
You are hoping to provoke an AoO from the archer, and hit him when he fires.
You could achieve this entire effect (move up to archer, hit archer) with your original, beat the archer in initiative action, except that he might be flat footed if you had acted immediately on your turn. So we're essentially at a net zero gain, slight negative. What are we potentially losing to achieve that?
1. The archer takes a non-ranged attack action, like drinking a potion. Utter loss of your turn.
2. The archer takes a full ranged attack action. (Or fires before moving) You trigger your move action, move adjacent, he uses his 5 ft. step allowed during his attack to move backwards out of your reach, you get no AoO. You've traded a full round action for a move action you could have taken anyways and reduced your initiative count to just before the archer's.
This tends to be typical of all of your examples, BNW. They don't hold water when you look at them in accordance with the rules and in actual play. The more combatants on the field, the less likely you are going to be able to predict how any given one will act that turn. Readying can be useful, but it is hardly the end all be all of combat that you seem to consider it.
The 'pump your sword menacingly' tactic is not worth the word count required to respond to it. Suffice to say that BNW accounted for its value (ie none whatsoever) admirably in his response to this non-action. I can only assume you brought up the concept sarcastically, ShieldLawrence.
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Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
We are on the same page then, in that the attack still happens, it just now most likely (due to the ready) fails to include the guy you swung at. I'm uncertain if you recognize the legitimacy of taking a 5 ft. step during that attack (if you are allowed) in order to place the foe back in reach.
The wall of text to which I refer is the one hidden in spoilers in your most recent, that broke down nearly all options available to the martial combatants. While comprehensive, I was not quite sure the message you were going for. I will say, I myself noted the issues with cleave and the 'other direction bull rushes' and combined some feats in my own game. Improved/Greater Bull Rush affects Drag and Reposition. Cleave upgrades into Great Cleave at bab +4 and does not require adjacent targets, merely targets without an ally in between. Even with the changes (and allowing fighters to swap out their bonus combat feats each day with an hour training), I did not see them used often though.
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Now, I am curious, what was your interpretation of the actual rules before your fix, The Sword? Again, I've been reading through our extensive posts, and I no longer know what anyone advances except (sadly) those that had the worst (and least supported) ideas.
These two pieces of text are what I'm looking at for my own view.
"Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action."
Aka, you take your action unless you are unconscious, dead, etc as a result of the readied action.
"You can take a 5-foot step as part of your readied action, but only if you don't otherwise move any distance during the round."
Specifically spells out that you can 5 ft. step.
And for what it's worth, the only feat options I consider outright traps are ones that advertise something they do not provide, like Prone Shooter or Elephant Stomp. Skill Focus (basketweaving) and Cleave might not be great, but they give you a bonus or let you do something you couldn't do before. As long as someone does not have false expectations for what the game will hold, feat choices are up to the player, not some higher body of Optimized Pathfinder Law.
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Sword, can you even see the rest of us from your vantage point on that moral high ground?
I'll be honest, it's getting hard to sort out the different positions. I'm not sure if Darksol's wall of text supports losing your action if you get ready-juked or not.
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Your idea Elro, or the bizarre idea (not yours, I don't think) that you shouldn't be able to ready for an attack are making the issue worse. The only outcome of your ideas is that the order of operations becomes more confused, not less so.
Again, against anyone who is not doggedly determined to succeed via a singular method in the face of previous failure, this tactic might buy one round. Might, because you cannot be sure that you will be attacked, or attacked in melee, or whatever level of specific-ness you attached to the readied action.
It cannot make a kobold invulnerable to a fighter.
It cannot make a monk invulnerable to a T-Rex.
It cannot make a giant invulnerable to a barbarian.
The more you screw around with the actual order of operations established, the more likely you are to either create inadvertent situations where a reach advantage does actually lead to immunity or the slower the game has to crawl when you go figure out how your rules changed the official ones.
If simplicity is the goal of your houserule, remove readied actions entirely. But these slight adjustments (or the truly odd thoughts like the nonsensical concept of 'stating that you pump your weapon around, keeping people from telling when you attack') make things more complex and not inherently any more fair.
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T-rex has reach. Moving in closer to get a hold of a quick moving prey is not beyond the intelligence of an animal. Alternately, seeking out easier prey when confronted with a strange or particularly difficult meal is fairly standard for animals.
So you try to be the dancing kobold, ready to move when bit. T-Rex moves in on you. Attacks at the very edge of its reach, 15 ft. away. You dance away, ending the round 20 ft. away from the T-Rex.
Round 2, the frustrated T-Rex moves in on you and attacks at 10 ft. away. Your readied attack is wasted. You step away and end the round in range of the T-Rex next turn. You never get to pull it off again, because 5ft. step rules are not limited to higher than animal int. Every attack it makes at 15 ft. away having not moved yet can add a free of charge 5 ft. step in at any point.
It's a good first round tactic to get the T-rex to blow its initial attack. Assuming of course, that the T-rex attacks you and not someone else. It is not invincibility.
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The answer to the OP question of 'what happens when your action becomes invalid' is 'the action is spent anyways.'
If you attacked someone and their readied action removed them from your range, you attack anyways and miss.
If you cast a spell on someone and their readied action removed them from your range, you cast the spell anyways to no effect. Etc.
However, the kobold is not invincible due to potential actions explained numerous times by Coriat.
BigNorseWolf wrote:
1. You cannot trigger for impossible conditions. "I attack the first person to think of their girlfriend," "I attack the first lawful evil fighter to hop on one leg"
I would personally go a step further and say you can only ready (and trigger) on positive actions of which you are aware.
There is no in-game awareness of 'fighter class' ergo it is invalid to set as a trigger. There is in-game awareness of 'lawful evil', but it requires some specific effects, so anyone you have not detected (or whatever) counts as 'not Lawful Evil' Same for invisible foes that you cannot see.
You cannot trigger on 'runs out of movement' or 'stops moving' because you don't know how much movement someone has left, and as long as they have movement left and have not taken another action in between, they can keep using that movement.
You can trigger on 'moves adjacent' or 'moves onto [trapped] square' or 'attacks me' because those are all positive actions that can be viewed in character.
It isn't really the guessing game you make it out to be.
As for the kobold, I see it delaying. Based on my previous experience, I suspect he's trying to sucker me again.
Did he pick 'when foe moves adjacent'? Well, I'm headed over there now, guess we'll find out. I move adjacent. Did he hit me and spring away 5 ft.? No? Then he likely has 'when foe attacks me'. I use the Intimidate action to cause him to be shaken, and end my turn adjacent to him. On the next round, he's screwed.
Or, he does hit me and springs away. I have 15 ft. movement left. I go after him, and kill him with my standard action remaining.
Or, as soon as I see him not bother to use his action, I assume he's pulling some nonsense with readied actions against me, use a free action to tell my pals that he's a dancer, and go murder someone else because I'm a big bad fighter and the kobolds are going to die.
These are all very simple things to do. If you keep rushing in on the guy who keeps dancing away, you deserve to die. Repeating a failing tactic ad nauseum should kill you on the battlefield.
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The kobold readies an action to A) attack when you attack. B) attack when you move adjacent/in threatened range/whatever. (Stop moving is invalid because if you have more movement, you can continue.)
You move in on the kobold. He does not trigger on your move. Assuming you want to even play this absurd game with him, you halt, and wait for the next round.
You move in on the kobold. He triggers on you moving adjacent and steps back 5 ft. You finish, with 15-25 ft remaining in movement, and follow him back where you smack his little kobold head off.
After round 1, the kobold repeats his readying nonsense. You ignore him entirely, leaving him to dick around wasting his turn while you slaughter his pet pig or shaman or girlfriend.
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Coriat's argument essentially breaks down to the following.
Attacking Dancing Kobold = {5 ft. step then Attack D.K., Attack D.K., Attack D.K. then 5 ft. step}
And that set is identical to {Attack D.K.} because Attack D.K. = 5 ft. step during Attack D.K. and according to set theory, two sets which differ only in that one has duplicate members are in fact exactly identical.
Ergo, if you attack D.K. and he has readied to attack you then, as legal upon his attack, 5 ft. step, you can 5ft. step after him and complete your attack, assuming you have not moved in the round.
You cannot attack a different kobold. You cannot cast a spell. You cannot drink a potion. You must attack D.K. You have committed to the action. However, that action to which you have committed includes the option to 5 ft. step during. Just as a kobold does not need to ready the 5 ft. step as part of HIS action. He merely needs to ready an attack against the attacker, and may decide, upon taking that action, to use a 5 ft. step during. (if you cannot imagine a scenario where the kobold steps toward the attacker, reach weapons.)


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