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What progressive press do you use
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January 6, 2008, 09:04 AM
Please let us know which progressive press you have or the one you would buy, and why you prefer it
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January 6, 2008, 09:07 AM
Dillon 550B here, i guess the lifetime no BS warranty ease of use and quality won me over to blue
January 6, 2008, 09:34 AM
You should have put in an option for "other".
I'm still using two Star Machine Works presses. When they break, maybe I'll buy a Dillon. :rolleyes:
January 6, 2008, 09:35 AM
Dillon 550B here.
January 6, 2008, 09:40 AM
I took a reloading class at my local gunshop after the wife and I got up to about 500 rounds a week between us. The shop sold Dillion and I signed up for a 650XL with all the bells and whistles.
The Dillion is great for refilling a bucket of bucket of brass in a short period. BUT, we eventually wanted to tinker with different loads and powders which, is difficult at best with the Dillion 650. After spending time on this board, reading Patrick Sweeny's praise for Redding seating dies, and visiting a couple more shops, I bought a Redding T7 turret.
The T7 is loaded with a Hornady buller and Redding de-capping dies. I've been buying used die sets as I need them for small batches and working up loads. When we have a good load for the shoot, I dial it in on the Dillion and do a run.
The Dillion is probably 4 to 6 times faster than the turret but it it doesn't like to full length size rifle cartridges during a run. I have a 1980 RCBS Rock Crusher that I restored after it went though a fire. It does big cartridge sizing, and smoothing the crimp on swaged brass.
Next week I'm going to check into the clinic and see if I'm addicted to gun powder or just have a severe case of lead poisoning....
January 6, 2008, 10:27 AM
LnL. Just went over 70,000
January 6, 2008, 11:31 AM
Old Hornady Projector ;)
January 6, 2008, 11:39 AM
I love the rcbs, this thing is great!
January 6, 2008, 12:20 PM
I have had 550 for 6-7 years and have loaded alot of ammo this was my first reloading machine and it will never leave my bench, easy to change calibers and work up loads, you can back it if need be just very user friendly.
I got a 650 a few months back and it is great at production just pull the handle set a bullet WOW it fast. I will admit that it is not so good for load development tho, its hard to get case out and check powder charge but thats why my 550 will never leave the bench.
January 6, 2008, 12:45 PM
It depends...
For high volume pistol I use a Dillon Square Deal. Was my first progressive.
For Load development, I use a T-7 for the non-critical stuff like decapping, expanding the necks with a mandrel, neck sizing, etc. Then use a Rock Cruncher for the critical stuff like cartridge sizing and bullet seating.
For high volume shouldered rounds I use the Dillon 550B.
For BMG, it's all Rock Cruncher.
January 6, 2008, 01:11 PM
sorry about leaving the choice for other out, my bad :uhoh:
January 6, 2008, 01:14 PM
I have the Hornady AP with the case feeder. When I bought mine I compare it to the Dillon 650XL and it was pretty much a toss up; I bought mine before the bullet give away. The only reason I didn't buy the Dillon was because I would have to mail order everything I needed where as with the Hornady all the gun shops here stock them and the accessories. Personally I don't see where either press, Hornady AP or Dillon 650XL, has an advantage or disadvantage over the other. Some think there is a huge price difference but by the time I added all the bells and whistles to my Hornady (Case Feeder, Low Primer Alarm, Case Counter, Roller Handle, and outfitted all my dies with Bushings) I was within only few dollars of the Dillon. By the way that was before the free bullet give away.
If I had the money or shot more I would buy the Dillon 1050 for two reasons: one, is that it is built on total different leverage platform (cam versus double knuckle and ram) and two, for the the swagging station for my 9mm, .223, and 30-06.
Down South
January 6, 2008, 02:18 PM
Dillon 550 B for pistol and RCBS Rockchucker for rifle.
January 6, 2008, 02:30 PM
Older (25 yrs or so) Dillon Square Deal for handguns. Just recently needed a couple of parts for it. Called Dillon and had them 3 days later. Great warranty and service.
January 6, 2008, 03:27 PM
I have an RCBS Pro2000. I love it. The warrenty is no hassle. Even when I broke things by my own stupidity they sent me replacements for free. They even paid shipping. I chose the RCBS over the Dillon because the primer system keeps all the primers separate to add some safety,i even comes with a primer loading device to load the strips. I also like not having to buy multiple powder measures. The micrometer adjustment is perfect and completely repeatable. Simple write down the adjustment number and when you rtun to that throw dial it in and you're set. It takes 3 seconds. THe powder throw is completely accurate. If I check every 10, every 100, or every 500 the powder throw is exactly the same.
January 6, 2008, 03:36 PM
I only reload 9mm Para and .45ACP.
My Dillon is perfect. Fast change between both calibers.
highlander 5
January 6, 2008, 04:01 PM
started with a Dillon 450 upgrade to a 550 now I own 2 650s,one for small rifle/pistol primers and one set up for large rifle/pistol primers. My only complaint with the 650 changing primer arms is a PITA
January 6, 2008, 04:51 PM
I can't vote both? Hornady LnL for .45 and Dillon SDB for 9MM.
January 6, 2008, 07:25 PM
Blue Kool Aide :D
January 6, 2008, 08:46 PM
I got on the bandwagon and just bought a 550B.
As I just put the reloader together today, I can't say anything about it other than it looks like a good design.
January 6, 2008, 08:58 PM
Dillon 550
lee n. field
January 6, 2008, 10:32 PM
The much despised Lee Pro 1000. Purchase of opportunity. Cheap, works so far.
January 7, 2008, 03:23 AM
Lee pro 1000. Cost 95 bucks delivered direct from lee set up with dies and ready to go.
Loaded about 5000 rounds in the last 6 months with no problems!
Red IS better;)
January 7, 2008, 03:52 AM
I have a piggyback if that counts. It does have me looking into alternatives, but it works well enough that I'm not looking too hard. Every since I put a case activated powder setup on it, things have been much better.
I've finally used it enough to find out where I need to put the lock-tite. It's finally broken in.
Not sure what's next, I'd like a dedicated progressive, but the changeover ease is important to me. A Hornady LnL or RCBS Pro 2000 are the most likely candidates at the moment.
A Lee 1000, for the price, might just fill the bill for a specific caliber dedicated loader.
January 7, 2008, 06:17 AM
Dillon 550B here. I too think primer switch is a PITA. Although very reliable, with a nice feel and refined, it could really stand to be better in terms of speed/convenience.
January 7, 2008, 07:37 AM
Lee Loadmaster, works good and the price was right.
January 7, 2008, 07:45 AM
Dillon 550B here.
January 7, 2008, 08:29 AM
I have a Dillon Square Deal, 550, and 650, and I love them all. Don't have the heart to part with them:D
January 7, 2008, 10:48 AM
My LNL AP arrives tomorrow. I only have space for one press, and need to load multiple calibers. Looking at the price (net of the bullet offer), caliber and primer change cost/conveniece, superior powder measure and relative operating speed, the choice for me was a no-brainer.
January 7, 2008, 11:07 AM
Dillon 550B for the past 15 years. It's great for working up loads or banging out your favorite. I loaded literally tens of thousands of pistol and rifle loads on it and the only part that has broken so far is the primer return spring. Actually the spring was still usable but Dillon sent me another one for free anyway. Can't beat their customer service.
January 7, 2008, 02:30 PM
I use a Dillon 650 with powder check, never any problems.
January 7, 2008, 08:17 PM
Started looking at the blue press last fall, but after more research, and the free bullets, I am fine tuning a new Hornady LNL-AP. Just great so far, and yes, I am a sucker for freebies.
January 7, 2008, 08:34 PM
After getting my Loadmaster all tuned up and dialed in, its a nice step up from my Pro1000.
The only step up at this point is the Dillon 650XL.
January 8, 2008, 12:43 AM
dillon sd,550 and 650
January 8, 2008, 06:10 AM
I started on the cheap with a Lee Challenger kit. I used that for a couple years and then decided to try a progressive Dillon out and bought the Square Deal B. I used that for a week or so and decided it made more sense to get the 550B and returned the SDB and bought the 550B. I ended up buying and selling used presses for a while and in the process got a couple 650 presses for my needs. When a great deal on a used 1050 came my way I sold the two 650 presses. I still have my 550B and load most of my reloads on the 1050. I'm a Dillon fan, but have heard good things about the Hornady progressive too. Had I not been finding all the used Dillon presses when I did, I probably would have been happy with the two 550B presses I had.
Lloyd Smale
January 8, 2008, 06:33 AM
one 550 and five square deals on my bench.
January 8, 2008, 05:00 PM
RCBS Pro2000, great press, great customer support.
It was a tough decision with all the Dillon fans out there trying to convince me otherwise. At any rate I had had experience with the APS system with my bench mount model and thought that the system would be great on a progressive. I also liked the idea of 5 stations verses 4 with the 550, gave me a place to put a lockout die.
As far as caliber changeovers, the powder measure is easy to adjust and the die plates make it a snap to switch calibers. I have no doubt the other brands are great machines, but I sure am happy with my RCBS.
January 8, 2008, 05:22 PM
Started with a Lyman Turret. Added a RCBS Rock Chucker.
Added a Dillon 450 with a couple mods. Dumped most of my Lyman gear, but still have the RCBS.
evan price
January 8, 2008, 06:44 PM
Lee pro-1000 and I load right now 9mm, .357, .38sp, .45 acp, .44 mag and I will be adding .40 S&W and .32 auto here real soon.
January 8, 2008, 06:54 PM
LoadMaster here, never posessed any of the Dillon or RCBS stuff, but my friends swore by them. (Hey, I had to be different)
I chose the Lee product because I found the press to be solid, and for $215 I was able to have a complete press, set of dies, brass feeder and auto primer and carbide dies for .45 ACP ready to go. With carbide die sets running less than $25, I saw a nice, quality and economical solution for my reloading needs.
Been using it for quite a while now and have run into zero mechanical issues. All of my reloads chamber and fire just fine, no issues with primer installation or mis-sets, haven't crushed any plated rounds due to poor case sizing or crimp operations. I may change my song in a few years, but so far the LoadMaster has been better than I expected based on my opinionated Dillon-ites friends!
January 8, 2008, 07:28 PM
I have a Dillon 550, a Lee LoadMaster and a RCBS AmmoMaster. I'm probably the exception to the rule here but don't have any major complaints about any of them. Originally I had serious issues with the RCBS but they stood behind their product and repaired the problems with the priming set up and all is well now. I don't like RCBS's lock rings on their dies, I've changed the RCBS dies to use Lee's lock rings on their dies. I've also had minor problems with Lee's priming system with most of the problem stemming from the use of plastic parts in the primer feed. I now know what to look for and change the part when there is sign of wear and have no problems with this press (I keep spare plastic parts on hand). The Dillon has been rock solid and the only downside (if it could be considered such) is the fact that it's not fully automatic (the user advances the rotation of the shell holder on this model). I've added most of the bells and whistles to this press and really like Dillon's roller handle. I've also added the most of the available upgrades to the other presses mentioned (case feeder, bullet feeder, low powder monitor, low powder lockout dies etc.) For the most part I just keep a certain set of dies on changeable die plates and use whichever press is set up for that caliber as opposed to having one favorite press. When push comes to shove and all is working the way it's supposed to work the Lee probably pushes out the most ammo in the least amount of time.
I have an RCBS RockChucker and a Lee Big Classic press for rifle cartridges. I use the Classic for loading .50 BMG.
January 8, 2008, 07:43 PM
I voted early on and have been following the poll. To be honest, I was surprised that many people checked in with Dillons. I've not known many Dillon owners--but I run in a pretty small local world and most of my shooting associates are pretty much "good value" type buyers.
It would be interesting to see this poll done again, with a breakout of the different models of current progressive presses--e.g., the Dillon SDB, 550, 650, and 1050; the Lee Pro 1000 and Load-Master, etc.--(I'm not up to speed on current Hornady and RCBS models).
Jim H.
January 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
Hope to start using my LNLAP this weekend. Also have a Pro1000.
January 26, 2009, 10:37 PM
I have 7 presses:
My main progressive press is a Dillon XL650.
My 2nd progressive press is a Dillon XL650.
My 3rd progressive press is a Dillon 550B.
My Turret press is a Redding T7.
My First press is my old RCBS Rockchucker.
My last purchased press is my Lee Challenger Press.
My favorite press is my Lee Classic Cast single stage.
January 27, 2009, 07:19 PM
Oh, yes!
I load 12-15 thousand rounds a year in over a dozen calibers, mostly handgun, but also .223, .308, .30-06, 7.62x39, (oh, gosh, more like 20 calibers) :evil:
It's a HUGE productivity tool. It's the only progressive I've ever owned in nearly 40 years of handloading. I can crank out ammo like a small factory. The Dillon has very elegant features like quick-change toolheads and all. Dillon also has very helpful people on their hotline AND truly, as they claim, a "no-BS warranty policy." I've bought boatloads of loading equipment and work it hard sometimes. The couple times I needed a minor part (usually my fault) they helped me on the phone and sent a free part ASAP. For MY purposes - Dillon's the number one choice and the standard by which I judge others. They're so good, in fact, that I buy from them as the "favorite provider" of most of what I buy.
I won't say ill about anybody else's rig - because I haven't used them - but I am one contented customer and I am PICKY.:)
Black Dime
January 27, 2009, 07:45 PM
(3) 650s
(1) Square Deal
and... Mec 600
and... Lee Turret
January 27, 2009, 07:49 PM
1 650
2 550s
1 Rock chucker
1 Partner
January 28, 2009, 02:57 AM
Better dead than RED. J/K Dillon 550 also. Awesome machine. Love it, 60,000+ rifle and pistol rounds and still love it!
Peter M. Eick
January 28, 2009, 06:31 PM
Pro2000 and just over 250,000 rnds loaded so far.
GW Staar
August 21, 2009, 10:23 PM
RCBS Pro 2000 auto indexing
Comparable to the Dillon 650, but simpler, with fewer and tougher moving parts (to keep clean, lubed, and working). It has a superior and safer primer feed system, and much faster (not to mention, considerably cheaper) caliber changes. The true sleeper of Progressive Presses, and now RCBS makes a bullet feeder for it.:)
P.S. RCBS's service is the equal of Dillon's. I've never paid for my own mistakes for 35 years.;)
August 21, 2009, 10:29 PM
dillon 550 . It's just about perfect with awesome customer support
August 22, 2009, 01:57 AM
I must have missed this thread when it was first posted...
Anyway, I started with a Dillon 550B and see no reason to change. It worked fine for pistol, and it also does double-duty as a "single stage press" for resizing rifle brass (for me...), and then works fine as a progressive on the prepped brass.
As another said, it's easy to pull brass out after powder drop to check charge, and it is also easy to manually index past the resizing die in station 1.
I really like the powder measure, even more so after adding micrometer adjustment knobs. +/- 0.1gr is typical.
I have multiple toolheads with a powder measure on each. (Two pistol, two rifle.)
I can't comment on ease of changing from LP to SP as all I reload is LP. :)
I'll admit it took me a little time to figure out how to adjust the shellplate, but it has been very reliable ever since that little learning curve bump.
I can't say it's better, as I have no experience with other brands. All I can say is that it is versatile, relatively easy to set up and adjust, and creates consistent ammo without spending an entire weekend at it.
August 22, 2009, 02:28 AM
I have a Dillon 550b. If I had a do-over I'd probably get the Harnady LnL AP. With the 1000 bullets they throw in I'd definately get the LnL.
August 22, 2009, 08:30 AM
I have a Dillon 650 and a new Hornady LNL AP. Both are great!
The Dillion has better fit and finish and the mechanics are more robust.
Neither spent primer system is as good as Redding's. I mount my presses on plates and install them on the loading bench as needed. I still don't have a good way to deal with the LNL spent primer tube.
The basic 650 auto loads brass from a column, the LNL is manual feed until you buy the elertric feeder.
Change-over cost is comparable - inspite of what you hear. You have to buy a bunch of pieces to get a complete powder measure for LNL.
Dies won't fit in their storage box with LNL bushings attached. The 650 tool head needs a covered stand.
The Dillon has better safety devices. I had to add a Dillion low primer sensor and a RCBS Lockout Die to the LNL to get same set up I have on the 650.
The LNL is a great press for making 200 to 300 rounds an hour where the 650 does 500 to 600.
The LNL is a great hand operated press for dedicating to a mid-production-range caliber.
You can add a bullet feeder to the 650 for $500 and a drive motor for $850 this gets you an automated ammo machine for less than $2500.
The price on the LNL accounting for the free bullets is unbelievable for the value you get. But...the LNL is NOT a Dillon 650xl.
All that said, I'm ordering another LNL for the shop.
August 22, 2009, 09:35 PM
RCBS Pro2000, great press, great customer support.
It was a tough decision with all the Dillon fans out there trying to convince me otherwise. At any rate I had had experience with the APS system with my bench mount model and thought that the system would be great on a progressive. I also liked the idea of 5 stations verses 4 with the 550, gave me a place to put a lockout die.
As far as caliber changeovers, the powder measure is easy to adjust and the die plates make it a snap to switch calibers. I have no doubt the other brands are great machines, but I sure am happy with my RCBS.
I love my RCBS 2000 Pro also. In addition to the lockout die, if you swap out the 2nd stage for a Lee Thru the Die powder dropper, you can then stick the lock out in stage 3, the seat die in stage 4, and a FCD in stage 5! Every die you can think of/wish for.
August 22, 2009, 11:30 PM
Dillon 550B because only the best will do.............and they have a no BS warranty.
August 23, 2009, 08:03 AM
Dillon 650
Rollis R. Karvellis
August 23, 2009, 08:49 AM
1 650
1 Hornaday Projector that had some issus from the beging, that I use for .41mag only.
5 single stage presses for dffrent odd job's.
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These are just a few of the many changes coming our way with the new Google+ Local pages. Now, every day searchers and socializers have a way to find and share local businesses of interest right within Google. In the addiction recovery space, the valuable content and communication tools will likely serve as the best, measurable ways to drive new admissions to your recovery or detox center.
Many recovery businesses today are struggling to keep their beds full every month and are looking for ways to increase admissions. Due to the fact that many internet users go online to search for addiction recovery centers, having a strong online presence is no longer an option if you want to generate more customers and sales. Google+ Local is an exciting new way to help you reach your local target audience easier and faster.
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Monitoring and managing a positive addiction recovery reputation online can become your internet referral network fairly quickly. The stronger your reputation becomes, the more treatment referrals you will receive. Many of our clients can afford to rely almost exclusively on this online networking for business as word of month will always be the strongest decision influencer for addiction service providers.
This scenario also means in most cases that advertising costs are kept to a minimum, if any at all once you establish a strong foundation. How great would that be?
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I know that with Kelly Osbourne, either people love her or hate her for her honesty and openness to sometimes tell it like it is, but for some reason I have a soft spot for her. I think she's a genuine person and you really don't find many people like her in the celebrity world. Kelly recently opened up to Cosmopolitan Magazine about her father Ozzy Osbourne's struggles, on whether or not she wants to have children and more. Here are some highlights:
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On 2 October 2012, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) published a wide-ranging consultation paper (CP 12/25) on the effectiveness of the listing regime which proposed a number of changes to the Listing Rules, including in relation to controlling shareholders, corporate governance and free float requirements.
On 5 November 2013, the FCA published its long-awaited consultation paper CP 13/15, which sets out the FCA's feedback to comments received on CP 12/25 and certain final (albeit yet to be approved) rules based on those original proposals. CP 13/15 also contains certain revised proposals in respect of which the FCA is inviting consultation.
The consultation period ends on 5 February 2014. Depending on the results of the consultation, the FCA intends to implement the full and final package of measures by mid-2014.
1. Independence and Control
New Eligibility Requirement and Continuing Obligation
In CP 12/25 the FCA proposed replacing the existing eligibility requirement that the issuer must control the majority of its assets and carry on an independent business with two separate rules requiring it to demonstrate that:
The FCA has confirmed that it will not be adopting the requirement that the applicant must control the majority of its business given that a number of respondents raised concerns that this could prevent issuers from, among other things, buying non-controlling stakes in subsidiaries in line with their strategy.
The FCA is retaining the requirement that the issuer should carry on an independent business. This requirement will apply to both new applicants for a premium listing (as an eligibility requirement) and companies with an existing premium listing at all times and on a continuing basis (with the exception of closed-ended and open-ended investment funds).
The FCA has provided guidance setting out the factors that may be relevant in determining whether a new applicant meets the independence eligibility test. The guidance lists factors that may indicate that an applicant is unable to carry on an independent business, including situations where:
The applicant must also demonstrate that it controls the entities in which it holds stakes. The FCA noted that the level at which a non-controlled stake would result in an applicant being considered to lack the requisite independence will be considered in the specific circumstances on a holistic basis, rather than on the basis of a set percentage test.
Mineral Companies
As proposed in CP 12/25, the independence eligibility requirement and continuing obligation will also apply to mineral companies, albeit that these companies will be exempt from the guidance which provides that an applicant may not satisfy the requirement for an independent business if its business consists primarily of holdings in non-controlled entities. This is due to the fact that mineral companies will be eligible for a premium listing if they have a reasonable spread of direct non-controlled interests (LR 6.1.10R(2)).
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Against the backdrop of recent concerns over the protection of minority shareholders (particularly where there is a controlling shareholder), and as set out in CP 12/25, the FCA is proceeding with (and further consulting on) various new initial and ongoing requirements that aim to ensure that a premium listed company with a controlling shareholder is capable of acting independently of its controlling shareholder and its associates.
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The FCA have set out a revised definition of "controlling shareholder", which retains the percentage holding test of 30% (consulted on in CP 12/25), but is now extended to aggregate the interests of a controlling shareholder's "associates". Under the revised definition, a controlling shareholder would include any person who individually or together with any of its associates and concert parties exercises or controls 30% or more of the votes able to be cast on all or substantially all matters at the company's general meeting (with certain voting rights being disregarded for the purposes of the calculation). The FCA is consulting further on the definition of "associate" (including tests to be applied to determine when an individual can be considered an "associate" of a company that is a controlling shareholder).
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The FCA is proposing a transitional period of six months for existing premium listed companies with a controlling shareholder to comply with the relationship agreement requirement. The same period is proposed for companies that acquire a controlling shareholder following admission.
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The FCA is proposing the introduction of enhanced oversight measures which would require all transactions with the relevant controlling shareholder to be subject to prior independent shareholder approval in the event that the mandatory independence provisions in the relationship agreement are breached. These measures are proposed to be triggered in the following circumstances:
It is proposed that the sanctions remain in place until the publication of the next annual report in which the board makes a clean compliance statement without any disagreement from independent directors. During this period, none of the safe harbours in Listing Rule 11 (Related Party Transactions), including those for small transactions and ordinary course transactions, would apply in respect of transactions between the company and the controlling shareholder (effectively meaning that independent shareholders could veto any transaction between the company and the shareholder, regardless of its size). This would however be subject to the FCA's ability to exempt ordinary course transactions if the enhanced oversight measures would impede the operation of the company's business. The FCA is proposing guidance to clarify that it will only waive the enhanced oversight measures in exceptional circumstances.
3. Independent Directors
Whilst the FCA is not proceeding with its proposals in CP 12/25 regarding the board composition of a company with a controlling shareholder (although it notes that it may revisit this issue in the future), the FCA is proceeding with the requirement for a dual voting structure to apply to the appointment of independent directors. This would require any such appointments to be approved both by the shareholders as a whole and by the independent shareholders. In the event that the results of the votes conflict, a further vote of all shareholders may take place not less than 90 days later on a simple majority basis. Due to concerns raised regarding the status of an appointed director in this period, the FCA is proposing to introduce guidance clarifying that a director who has been appointed may remain in office until the second vote.
The dual voting structure must be provided for in the company's constitution although the FCA is proposing to delay this requirement until the next general meeting for which notice has not already been given (to allow companies time to amend their articles if necessary).
Increased disclosure requirements are also being proposed to ensure that, where the company has a controlling shareholder, independent shareholders are aware of factors that may be relevant to a determination of whether the proposed director is independent (including details of any historic or current relationship between the independent director and the company, its directors or any controlling shareholder).
4. Free Float
The FCA did not propose in CP 12/25 to increase the free float requirement. The FCA is however proceeding with its proposals to clarify the operation of the free float provisions to companies with a premium listing which include the following:
The FCA is not proceeding with its proposal that shares should be distributed to at least 100 public shareholders. The FCA has also removed reference to a free float percentage of 20% from the guidance regarding the circumstances where the FCA may accept a lower threshold, due to the concern that this may be viewed by market participants as the de facto permitted level of free float.
While the FCA had originally consulted on the above for premium listed companies only, it is now also consulting on whether the rules described above should be extended to applicants for listing on the standard segment (including issuers of GDRs).
5. Continuing Obligations
The FCA has set out a number of additional amendments to the continuing obligations of companies with a premium listing, which include the following:
Voting by Premium Listed Shares
To prevent share structures existing or being created which allow matters subject to a shareholder vote imposed by virtue of the premium listing regime to be decided by a company's holders of unlisted shares, the FCA has provided that certain matters requiring shareholder approval in the listing rules must be approved by holders of the premium listed shares. The FCA will have the power to modify this requirement in exceptional circumstances and is consulting on a transitional period of two years during which existing premium listed companies will not be required to comply with this requirement. A new applicant's constitution must allow the company to comply with this requirement.
Annual Report Disclosures
Any disclosures made pursuant to the Listing Rules in the annual report will be required to be set out in a single identifiable section (or a cross-reference table should be included to the relevant disclosures). The FCA is consulting on whether this should only apply to premium listed companies with accounting periods that end at least three months after the rule has been implemented.
Smaller Related Party Transactions
The FCA is consulting on whether smaller related party transactions (falling within the range of 0.25% to 5% on the class tests) should be announced via an RNS at the time they take place (rather than being reported in the company's next annual report and accounts).
Duty to Notify FCA of Non-Compliance With Continuing Obligations
The FCA will not proceed with its proposal that it be notified of a company's non-compliance with any continuing obligation. Instead, companies will be required to notify the FCA of non-compliance with those eligibility requirements with continuing effect, such as the requirement to carry on an independent business.
6. Listing Principles
The following changes to the Listing Principles will be introduced:
7. Cancellation of Listing
Although this was not consulted on in CP 12/25, the FCA has now decided to consult on the current rules relating to a cancellation of listing to address concerns raised by market participants. Currently, a listing may be cancelled by a premium listed company only after it has obtained the prior approval of not less than 75% of the holders of the securities as a vote in person or, where allowed, by proxy.
The FCA is consulting on whether the existing 75% threshold should be retained or whether, in cases where there is a controlling shareholder, the approval of a majority of the votes attaching to shares of those independent shareholders voting to be in favour of cancellation should also be required. In both cases, the FCA is proposing to amend the 75% threshold to require approval by a majority of not less than 75% of the votes attaching to the shares of those voting on the resolution.
The FCA is also consulting on the application of the above proposal in the context of the various routes by which a premium listing may be cancelled, including following a takeover offer, in the context of a scheme of arrangement and transferring from the premium segment to the standard segment.
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Region 2 News Release: NY 136
April 27, 1999
Contact: Chester J. Fultz
The U. S. Labor Department's Occupational Safety and Health Administration has cited Capital Partners, LLC, c/o Conley Realty Associates, Ltd., 1 Rapp Road, Albany, New York, and proposed penalties of $117,750 against the firm, for six alleged willful and four alleged serious violations of OSHA standards. The company has until May 18 to contest the citations.
According to OSHA area director John Tomich, the action results from an inspection conducted on November 23, 1998, of a building undergoing demolition at 194 Washington Avenue in Albany, in response to an employee complaint about unsafe worksite conditions.
OSHA alleges that the company willfully failed to protect its employees from asbestos exposure by:
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The alleged willful violations carry a total proposed penalty of $112,500.
"Because asbestos is a known carcinogen, it represents an extremely serious health hazard", Patricia K. Clark, regional OSHA administrator said. "This employer knowingly permitted workers to perform asbestos removal who were untrained in the hazards associated with the work, and who lacked proper respirators and protective clothing. Workers were actually performing asbestos removal in the street clothes that they wore back to their homes. This kind of flagrant disregard for OSHA regulations, actions which put workers' lives directly in jeopardy, requires that we take strong measures to bring this employer into compliance."
OSHA also cited the company for the following alleged serious violations:
not preventing employees from taking their asbestos contaminated clothing home for laundering.
not properly training employees in Class 1 asbestos removal work.
not properly disposing of asbestos debris.
not providing a competent person to supervise the removal of asbestos materials.
The alleged serious violations carry a total proposed penalty of $5,250.
A willful violation is defined by OSHA as one committed with an intentional disregard for, or plain indifference to, the requirements of the OSHA act and regulations. A serious violation is defined as a condition which exists where there is a substantial possibility that death or serious physical harm can result.
The investigation was conducted by OSHA's Albany area office, located at 401 New Karner Road, Albany, N. Y., 12205. Telephone: (518) 464-6742.
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Nice !
low market cap, a buyout with an all stock offer could be a double from here.... time will tell
I think that a 100% premium is really a far reach. The max would be 20% but is probably in the low teen's!
A bidding war is unlikely. While we would all like to dream of such a buyout, a history of buyouts does not support your number, although we can all wish. JMO
Don't forget that this is new revolutionary cancer treatment. It could bring a 60% premium that could look under weight 5 years down the road. .


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Toronto FC has claimed another body.
The underachieving Major League Soccer club fired president and general manager Kevin Payne.
The club has not made the move official but Payne told The Canadian Press that he was leaving.
"I wish TFC and its supporters all the best," he said in a text. "I'm confident the team is in a great position heading into next year and I'm proud of that.
"I understand the desire to move forward in a different direction and want nothing but the best for the club."
Payne said he had no other role with the team but had agreed "to help with the transition."
The former D.C. United executive arrived in late November with the task of turning around the worst team in Major League Soccer. But progress has been hard to find and the team, which has never made the playoffs, stands tied for 18th in the 19-team league with a 4-12-10 record.
Ultimately Payne paid the price for yet more failure at a franchise that is losing fans as well as matches.
It didn't help that he was hired before Tim Leiweke took over as president and CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, which owns the team.
Payne, 60, may also have suffered for his penchant for talking. Like the manager he hired — rookie coach Ryan Nelsen — he complained this season about the team getting a raw deal from officials.
That is not Leiweke's style.
"I tend to believe that sitting here and revisiting those calls doesn't serve much of a purpose," the MLSE boss said in a July interview with The Canadian Press. "And so we probably have to as an organization spend less time bitching and more time just moving on and understanding that sometimes that's the way those calls are going to go."
Both Payne and Nelsen also complained about the salary cap handcuffs they had inherited.
And Payne liked to talk about his master-plan, detailing imminent player moves that proved to be not so imminent.
Payne also raised some hackles at the club early on when he questioned the fitness level of some players in pre-season without naming names.
"Lots of guys did a great job and came back in great shape," he said in January. "But there were more than one or two who were not even close to being fit. I have a hard time understanding that. Ryan feels the same way ... There's just no excuse for it."
Payne, while clearly dedicated to his task, seemed to come across as thinking he was the smartest man in the room.
Then Leiweke arrived. He oversaw the Los Angeles Galaxy during his time in charge of AEG, helping bring David Beckham and Robbie Keane to the team.
Leiweke spoke favourably of Payne — "He knows where the bodies are buried and he knows what it takes to build a championship team" — in a June 4 in-house interview aired on YouTube.
And he said in July he would wait until the end of the season to assess the team's management, explaining he didn't think it was "fair or proper to get into an analysis" mid-season.
Toronto was 2-10-8 at the time. It apparently took Leiweke two wins, two losses and two ties to change his mind.
The club, which plays Saturday in Portland, has eight games remaining this season.
Payne arrived with a flourish, wearing one of his four MLS championship rings to his Toronto FC introduction. The former D.C. United boss routinely wears one of his rings, but wasn't going to at the news conference in Toronto until wife Pam changed his mind.
"I said to my wife this is weird. For the first time since '97 — when I got the '96 ring — I'm not going to put on a championship ring," he related Nov. 28 after being unveiled in Toronto.
"And she said 'I think you should put it on.' I said 'Well, I don't want to be always talking about D.C.' She said 'But you need to get people to aspire to win their own ring. Understand that that's the goal.' So that's why I'm wearing it."
Payne was Toronto FC's first president. He became the soccer team's equivalent to the Leafs' Brian Burke and the Raptors' Bryan Colangelo, both of whom have since moved on.
"We found the right guy," Tom Anselmi, MLSE's COO, said at the time.
"I think it's probably THE best signing that we'll make," added head coach Paul Mariner, who was soon to be dumped by Payne in favour of Nelsen.
Nelsen is the team's eighth manager in seven seasons.
Until his resignation as president and CEO just days before joining TFC, Payne had spent 17 years at D.C. United — helping the franchise find its feet in time for the debut MLS season in 1996.
Payne joined a Toronto franchise that has failed to make the playoffs since its inception in 2007, winning just 45 games over those six seasons.
Toronto (5-21-8) posted franchise worsts in 2012 for wins (five), losses (21), points (23), goals against (62) and winless string (14).
"I really love to build things," he said when asked about why he would take charge of such a floundering franchise.
Payne has helped set the stage for whoever takes over. The team has shed the big contracts of the likes of Torsten Frings and Darren O'Dea and the 2014 salary cap situation will offer far more flexibility.
There is also a base of good young talent at the club. But the franchise continues to disappoint.Report Typo/Error


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I'm not even sure how to describe this tea. This is one of if not the best White tea that I've had.
Thank You Angel for this sample!!
I've had this these samples for a while now and just havent tried some of them until now, I think I got them
in the Spring
I'm really glad that I waited until Autumn to try this one because it's a wonderfull fall time tea IMO, like I
said tho I'm not even sure how to describe it.
I'll start by saying that this one is quite different than most whites I've had even white tea cakes, it's difficult because this one actually has most of the same typical notes that I also get from all the other whites that I've had with the honey, hay, grassy, spicey, fruity notes ect everything that I've ever tasted in other whites are in this tea somewhere AND also has IMO many characteristics of other tea types as well from yellow, to oolong and even at times similar to a raw puerh.
It's a Chameleon!
Some other notes that I don't usually get from white are Malt, Toast or Roasty notes, Nutty, Earth, Vanilla(I've got slight vanilla from just a few whites but this has really nice vanilla notes) Fruit(this one had typical peachy, apricot notes that I generally find in whites as well as raisiny and plum like notes that i find in some blacks)
even some whiny grapey/muscatel notes like someblacks or darjeelings and thats not even all.
NOTHING at all off putting or bitter or atringent or anything in this one, Absolutely Perfect!
This Tea really blows me away, I love it, I have to say perhaps it's actually the best White Tea that suits me and Surely one of the best Teas period that I've, It's got so much going on.
I have to give this one 100 here because of it's wonderfully complex diverse flavors.
I must have never had a Shuo Mei or maybe not a good one perhaps.
One of My Favs, I decided to try it a little different this time around, For some reason I figured that it would be yummy if I made it into a tea latte with the steamed frothy milk and all but i was wrong lol
it quite tasty and all but it wasnt what i was expecting, i tasted none of the yummy fujian blak notes that i love so well, it was just a simple tea latte, not bad but I will not do it with my Fujian Black again.
This tea is perfect naked it needs nothing at all to dress it up.
I will try this with my other favorite tea just to see how it goes :)
This one is nice to me,I like it a lot :)
I kinda didn't want to review it or anything because i already have a fav Fujian black tea that to Me just can't be beat(a few favs actually), but this one comes really close and could give My Fav a run for its money.
This one has very nice malty and chocolatey notes like my fav with some subtle roasty notes and some caramel and a touch of something that i dunno makes it taste almost like a pastry cake or something. Delicious!!!
I've had this little 50g bag for a long while and I've been just pinching out of it here and there for a while Unfortunately this was my last bit of it But thats ok I'll surely get some more. I really really loved this one a lot.
It is similar in enough ways to my favorite fujian black to be extremely comforting and pleasing to me and at the same time has it's differences that make it stand apart from others.
So Effin Good!!!!!!!
Flavors: Caramel, Chocolate, Malt, Sweet, Toasty
I made Earl Grey Lattes or London Fog drinks this afternoon for Lance while I was sipping an Oolong.
I sipped a bit of his and it was So Good I couldn't believe it so I had to make one for myself when I finished my Oolong.
I actually used this Double Bergamot EG blended with some Manistee Moonrise (an older version) from Whispering Pines as my Tea and frothed up some sweetened Vanilla milk to pour in it.
I enjoy an EG London Fog Latte often because they are yummy but this one was the best I ever had.
Very creamy and smooth, the EG and Manistee blend is hard to describe but I mix EG with Manistee Moonrise often and I love it, they compliment each other nicely IMO.
Anyways this drink is pretty good, I'd recommend anybody to give it a shot.
First sip and I taste mushroomy notes Yay!!!!!!
Extremely smooth and Silky, almost creamy.
Nice subtle earthy note that is very clean tasting almost mineraly.
Some woody types notes also in there, slight sandalwood.
Raw cocoa notes.
At times I got almost toasty nutty kinda of notes.
At times it was also kinda savory and broth like, mushroomy broth.
This Tea is great hot, warm, cool or cold; it's great with long steeps, short steep or any steeping method.
It is also Long Lasting, I started off saying this was an all day tea because it yields so many steeps, it just wont quit.
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Flavors: Creamy, Earth, Mushrooms, Smooth
The Aroma of this Tea is Outstanding! Very good I enjoyed it. It really smells like yummy strawberries, filling the entire room with fragrance.
The flavor let me down just little bit only because I was expecting a really strong strawberry flavor to match the intense aroma. The tatse of the Tea itself is nice slightly sweet and vegetal with a creamy smooth buttery mouthfeel, very nice.
The strawberry taste in the tea fell a bit short to me not because it wasnt tasty but because it was just so subtle, don't get me wrong it was quite good but the aroma was just a bit misleading because thats where all the strawberry really was.
With the buttery smooth creamy mouthfeel of the Tea itself and the real strawberry notes it is more like a "Strawberry and Cream" tasting tea.
The subtle faint strawberry tatse in this tea is actually good for this one because it don't mask the taste of the tea itself, it just add a hint of taste to it without making it taste fake or just too much, it is surely a step above other fruit flavored teas that I have tried.
I commented earlier in a Tea group when someone asked the question "Sweetener or No Sweetener?" and This one was one of those Teas that I couldn't help but wonder if I should add a sweetener too or not.
My answer on the comment was No Sweetener in straight/plain teas BUT that some flavored teas can actually benefit from a little sweetener added. Some Flavored Teas DO NOT taste like the fruity flavors they are suppose to have untill you have added something in them to sweeten them up and make them taste right, thats just how it is.
ANYWAYS, I figured that perhaps this one would be one of those teas so i decided to add a little sweetener to see if that would boost the Strawberry a little bit.
Not Good, this one is NOT one of those flavored Teas that could use a little sweetener, In fact adding sweetener to this one totally ruined it for me, Granted the Sweetener DID increase the sweetness of the strawberry taste and made it a litle more intense it also ruined it by making it taste very ODD, it almost had a medicinal cough syrup kinda taste when the sweetener was added, BAD IDEA!!
I liked this one pretty good, it was missing something for me just not sure what, The Tea itself is very good and the strawberry taste is REAL but subtle and the Aroma is Top Notch!
Considering that this one was good on its own even tho subtle in strawberry And the sweetener totally ruined it, I think this tea actually a perfect flavored tea, nothing can improve on this one if it were anything more it would be like all the other run of the mill super sweet fruity teas.
Most likely not a Tea that I would buy and have on hand but surely one I can enjoy, I could actually enjoy just steeping this up and smelling it instead of drinking it I think, lol :)
DAMN!!! I Really Really Really want a big ass bowl Strawberry Shortcake Dessert right now.
Flavors: Butter, Smooth, Strawberry, Sweet, Vegetal
Oh, Yeah
After I ruined this one with sweetener I didn't drink much out of that cup just enough to write my review, I was done with that cup so i walked away from it and went outside for a bit When I come back inside that cup had completely cooled and I tasted it and it was actually pretty good, it was like buttered toast with strawberry jam, very interesting. Maybe I should try it as an iced tea :)
My reaction to this one was pretty much the same as yours – including adding sweetener, and the room temp flavor. I think the problem for us both was expectation, especially with that awesome leaf aroma. Once I accepted this was a grown up sip, I realized how good it actually tastes. And yeah, strawberry shortcake does sound good right now.
Ok so I tasted this one again at home brewed better in a glass gaiwan for 1 minute starting, I did not use a fine strainer to keep the hairs out cuz i don't mind the hairs and I did not allow the tea to cool very much this time:)
Steep 1- 1min
MMMMM, very nice reminds me of a Dragonwell in some ways.
It is a lot less bitter this time actually just a slight bitter now, still quite vegetal with a little herbaceous, grassy notes. The smokiness is more up front this time and kinda reminds me of the smokiness in a Raw Puerh. It also has some slight nutty notes and the finish is a bit sweeter.
Steep 2- 1min 30 sec
A little stronger on this steep, vegetal still about the same, few differences the Smokiness is a little I dunno woodsy or earthy this time maybe, much more like the smokey notes of a sheng, and the finish is a bit sweeter still with some bitter twang.
Steep 3- 2min
Nah,I don't think it was very good for a 3rd steep was good but surely faded.
It still has flavor mainly just the smokey note still with some vegetal, too weak now to even be bitter with a faint sweet aftertaste that was as lingering as before. Even tho this is the last fading steep and was faint on flavor it was still quite enjoyable.
So yeah It was much better to me this time and I think I surely effed it up with the microwaved water and clumsy brewing earlier BUT
even tho I ruined it last time it was still quite tasty to me and I still enjoyed it too.
I think it will be still tasty with an even shorter steeps than starting at 1 minute, I'll try starting it 30secs next time around.
Oh and this tea is Very Fuzzy, more fuzzy that it looks,
You can see some of the little hairs on the dry leafe of this tea yet it don't appear really fuzzy or anything to me, more like just a little hairy BUT oh my! you can really see lots of fuzzy hairs in the liquid (if you don't strain it well).
The first time the fuzzies eventually sank to the bottom and formed a hairy glob and this time they just floated all around in the liquid and made it appear a bit murky.
Brew it right and it won't be bitter or astringent,
Very Nice Tea Either way :)
Flavors: Herbaceous, Smoke, Sweet, Vegetal
This one is pretty damn good, I've had it a while i think but it tastes very fresh still.
I can't wait to get home so I can have it prepared a little better. I prepared this one all wrong because i'm at the dialysis clinic, brewed up with microwaved water eeww with a cheap strainer in a cheap cup its the best i could do because i wasnt prepared.
I let the water cool a good it before steeping the tea because i figured it was too hot then by the time i actually steeped it i figured it was too cool but i steeped it anyways.
i actually expected a bad cup of tea due to the steeping but i was surprised that it was still really really good. I totally hate microwaved water but this time i honestly
couldnt tell it was microwaved because the tea was so good.
The tea leafe aroma is oh so good to me, it smells sweet and savory and vegetal and a little floral and something else i can't place, very comforting too smells like some unknown something from the past, something mt granny use to cook maybe i dunno lol I know it smells really good.
The tea leafe juice is really awesome! even tho the water may have been crap the tea was wonderful. I got lots of differents notes and taste from this one and it changed a good bit when cooled.
This one was BITTER and a bit Smokey but also Juicy and not astringent at all,Sweet(almost fruity sweet)and Savory, very green and Vegetal and a little Herbacious. I got 2 steepings of it this first time and those 2 steepings was soo different.
The first steeping is awesome and intense, with all the notes listed above, most of these notes were subtle and faint at the start of the cup while the tea was warm and seem to just grow more intense as i allowed the tea to cool, It was almost as if i had the leafe still in the cup that how much it changed just with the cooling of the first cup. At first when warm i got faint vegetal taste with a little sweetness and no bitter or astringency at all very nice also for some reason it seemed light or thin at first, as it cooled those notes became a bit more intense and bitter, it seemed to changed from delecate or thin to bold and full bodied if that make sense and it developed an interesting thick mostly bitter slightly sweet lingering after taste. This one was a bit different than some Mao Jian that i have had in the past and it I like it alot.
The second steep fell a bit short and was alot weaker than the first, it was more like how the first steep started with out ever growing much bolder or getting that pleasant bitter as it cooled, It did grow a bit bitter but just like before.
I do want to talk about the bitter of this one,First Bitter is NOT a bad thing in fact I really like the bitter in this one,it is NOT an eww bitter but a very nice yummy bitter(some folks do like that).
I'm not sure why but Bitter and Astringent seems to sometimes show up together in teas and I notice that some folks are easily confused by the two(like this lady up here who tasted my tea lol).
So this chic tasted my tea(cooled) and she was like "omg, that's astringent!
I think not it is quite juicy and NOT astringent at all, it is BITTER but in a good way.
I'm not sure if i got the bold bitter because it was steeped using bad water or if thats just the way this tea is but i really enjoyed it still. A nice tea steeped wrongso it must be even better steeped right, i'm looking forward to having this the proper way very soon.
oh yeah I advise using a nice gongfu strainer for this one cuz it is a fuzzy one, i used a shitty strainer so it let all the fuz in my cup which i don't really mind, at first the fuzzies were floating on the surface but as it cooled the fuzzies that didnt get drank up fell to the bottom of the cup and congregated in the middle looking kinda nasty like a hairy blob lol
So use a good strainer if you don't like fuzzies in your cup :)
Also i got a happy feeling from this one now too, like a slight tea buzz, thats always a good thing in my book :)
Flavors: Bitter, Smoke, Sweet, Vegetal
Ditto, felt happy right away as soon as I saw notes from you today! And even better, you got your tea buzz on. :)
I was gonna post a review
until got High,
It was gonna be a good one too
but then i got High,
I messed the whole thing up and i know why
Cuz i got High, Cuz i got High
because i got High
alls i did was drink a little tea too and now i feel like oh my it must be my birthday or christmas hell maybe it's friday and i'm in love, i just feel so warm and cozy inside like omg i'm so happy and just i dunno man, 6 steeps in and I wrote a review then i read it and i was like WTF am i talking about its crazy man i really can't post that one, I'll fix that mess and post it in the morning. right now and alls I really want to do is drink and feel good, Good in ways that are not so easy to describe right now :)
Eleventy-one Points for this one!!
Well that's it till tomorrow, Happy Halloween!
da da da da, da da da da, da da da da!
Directions say 212F at 3-5 minutes, I steeped mine right in the middle at 4 minutes.
The first few sip were shockers I just didn't know what to think at first, it almost seemed tart at first.
After a few sip the flavors started falling into place and it was really good.
The chocolaty notes were like creamy milk chocolate with hints of mint and some herbaceous sweet type note.
This is an interesting chocolate tea, I'm not sure what to think of this one but it was pretty good, It's like chocolate with something else that I cant quite figure out.
I really enjoyed it.
Flavors: Chocolate, Herbaceous, Mint


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