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The Hall of Fame and Other Distractions
A whole lot of noting happening still so let's look at the Hall of Fame ballot.
The newbies for this year are:
2010: Roberto Alomar, Kevin Appier, Andy Ashby, Dave
Burba, Ellis Burks, Andres Galarraga, Pat Hentgen, Mike Jackson, Eric
Karros, Ray Lankford, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Mark
McLemore, Shane Reynolds, David Segui, Robin Ventura, Fernando Vina,
Todd Zeile
Let's couple that with the returning candidates and here would be my ballot. As I did earlier in the year, I've broken it down in two ways.
My "Keeping the Hall of Fame Standards At the Highest Levels" Ballot
Roberto Alomar(79.4), Bert Blyleven(88.4), Rock Raines(81.7), Barry Larkin (86.2)
The number in parenthesis is their total WARP3 score and while by no means the deciding factor, I just wanted some numerical reference.
My "There Are Much Worse Players Already In and These Guys Feel Like Hall of Famers" Ballot
Roberto Alomar(79.4), Bert Blyleven(88.4), Rock Raines(81.7), Barry Larkin (86.2), Andre Dawson(59.6), Lee Smith(51.4), Alan Trammell(78.1)
Speaking of point of references, some WARP3 career numbers for other recent Hall of Famers, Cal Ripken(104.3), Ozzie Smith (90.9), Jim Rice(34.2), Rich Gossage (54.3), Ryne Sandberg (69.1), Rickey Henderson (119.4).
WARP3 isn't my only deciding factor - otherwise Dawson wouldn't make it - I also look at All-Star Games, MVP's, career numbers, dominate player of his era and peak years as factors into who I think should make the Hall of Fame. You can check the link above from earlier in the year for my arguments on most of these players. I don't know what to say about Alomar or Larkin, they seem kind of obvious to me. Alomar was a better second basemen and more dominant player than Sandberg and no one around here is going to argue against Sandberg. Larkin made 12 All-Star teams, won an MVP and was the dominant NL shortstop of the 90's.
- About the only rumor over the break was that the Cubs are one of eight teams interested in the services of Takashi Saito. He certainly wouldn't make a terrible set-up/back-up closer option.
- The deadline to offer arbitration to eligible free agents is tomorrow and the Cubs are not expected to offer Kevin Gregg (Type A), Rich Harden (Type B) or Reed Johnson, thus pissing away some free draft picks. Actually Gregg makes sense as it's hard to believe he wouldn't accept it. Not offering Harden arbitration is chock full of dumb. I know Ricketts said he'd stay out of the baseball side of things, but this would be the time to step in and tell Hendry that he'll cover his budget on the very, very slim chance that Harden would accept arbitration. You know, in case Ricketts is actually serious about that whole building up the farm system spiel we heard.
- XM radio had the Marlins GM Michael Hill on this morning and he said that the Hanley Ramirez and Josh Johnson trade rumors dont' have a lot of merit to them. He did say that the Marlins have to be open to anything and classified Ramirez and Johnson under the "unlikely to get traded" category. But with Ramirez signed through 2014 rather affordably for his skillset, is he the one guy the Cubs should be willing to trade the farm for? Not that I'm advocating this but I wonder if Starlin Castro, Josh Vitters, Andrew Cashner and Jay Jackson would be enough to get him? Maybe you have to throw Geovany Soto in there as well and try to substitute Jackson or Cashner with someone slightly down the Cubs pitching prospect pecking order like Chris Carpenter.
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Why put all these players on the list? So some douchbag sports writer can waste a vote? I think MLB should have some sort of prerequisites to be even considered for the Hall of Fame!
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Does Robby Alomar still have AIDS?
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Roberto Alomar.
Even number year so no sad phone call for Santo.
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If anything, guys get filtered out too quickly. Just ask Lou Whitaker.
I'd pretty much agree with Rob's lists except on the second one I'd add Mark McGwire. No doubt in my mind that guys like ARod and Manny will get in, so as a result it's time to stop selectively punishing people the media deems to be less likable, such as McGwire, Sosa and even Bonds.
I'm borderline on Edgar Martinez for the same reasons as Lee Smith, but I guess if I had a vote this year I wouldn't cast it and wait to see what happens.
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Considering he didn't hit any of the milestones, 3000 hits, 500 home runs, etc, I can't vote for him.
Considering I'm not in the BBWAA, I can't either. But I would if I could. Dominant at his position, perhaps the best DH of all time? And a little defensive value.
For what it's worth, he's got over 500 games at 3rd base to affect appreciation of his defense, good or bad. That's 3 more-or-less full seasons of 3rd sacking and a bunch of spare starts here and there. We have no idea what the DH standards will be for the Hall, but those innings are 25% to 20% of what a 3rd baseman would put up over a HOF career. It's not a lot, but it's something to consider.
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He's no Frank Thomas is what I'm saying.
No argument. Big Hurt is is a no-brainer HOFer. But will he go in as a DH?
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I don't think position matters with Thomas.
Greatest hitter of 90's and in top 15 all time.
McGwire, ARod
I can't fault anyone who won't vote for a guy who took drugs to get an advantage out of principle. But if ARod is still considered a mortal lock and McGwire's eligibility might expire before ARod even has a chance to go in, that means there's a percentage of voters who condemn what McGwire did and brush aside what Rodriguez did. That's specifically what I'd point my finger at. Rodriguez gets a pass, and some of the best players of the generation like Ramirez, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens and McGwire get to watch him give an induction speech.
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I think it will be a cakewalk for Manny to get in. He's a couple productive seasons from being #4 all time on the RBI list (probably #5 or #6 when he's up for the HoF), and the sportscasters/writers don't seem to be out to get him. Plus he'll get a boost from being on the '04 Red Sox team. Schilling will be a really interesting one too.
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Mark McGwire and the other cheaters should be automatically banned from the HoF. Then MLB should cut off the cheaters arms and legs and beat them to death with them.
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A good vote. I'd probably put Trammel up in the higher group, and possibly drop Dawson and Smith from the bottom. No worries if they get in--both are better choices than Jim Rice. I'd also vote for McGwire, and as I noted, Martinez.
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I'd be interested in how Hendry stacks up as a GM, given his non-use of the arbitration tool (if it is a tool). Ya'll seem to think he's not a good "baseball" businessman given his approach to draft picks. Why would Tom keep him on if he wants to build a youth movement Marlins-type club? Is it just because he's feeding a large market, so we are doomed to watching 8 year contracts of big names? It bit us last year with Woody, etc., now this? Help!
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GMs of reasonable experience I'd take over Hendry:
> Cashman
> Epstein
> Friedman
> Dombrowski
> Amaro
> Reagins
> Beane
> Shapiro
Maybe Byrnes and Daniels too. I guess I have Hendry rated somewhere near the bottom of the top half of GMs, if that makes sense.
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I'd also add
Huntington (Pirates)
And the new Blue Jays GM to the list.
Probably Dayton Moore as well.
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Probably Dayton Moore
The Lone Ranger?
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Was hearing wearing the sun glasses?
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If a competent GM was running the ship we WOULD be winning every single year.
We outspend everyone in the division by 40 Million dollars.
If Hendry didn't overpay for litterally every non auto-renewal player on the roster then we would be golden.
Instead we are on the 2nd consecutive offseason of having to move contracts to add pieces.
The Red Sox are the model. Unfortunately Hendry is following the NY Mets 1990-2009 model.
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2004 and 2006 are completely irrelevant to 2010.
The 140-145 million dollar payroll has been cast. It isn't going to be going below that threshold unless something catastrophic occurs.
The NL Central doesn't have a Yankees or Red Sox in it. Only the Cubs and our ability to outspend the competition by 40%.
I stand behind my statement that we absolutely SHOULD win every single year. Larry Beinfest in charge of this baseball organization would be a godsend.
If Ricketts wanted to make a real splash this offseason. He would swoop in and snatch that guy away from the Penny pinching Loria. Hendry needs oversight.
I hate to admit that I miss Andy McFail as president. At least we would have money to spend now if he was here.
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My point is that Hendry has never really been good.
He got lucky in 2008.
He made the playoffs with mid 80 win teams a couple of times. Never has he really built anything that was set up for future success.
Moreso just reactive moves after each and every season. Backloading more and more debt into future rosters.
I'd feel better about him if someone bought him a subscription to Baseball Prospectus. Instead he is the guy at the craps table hoping for a hot streak. Not the guy you want shaping the future of your organization.
Just sayin
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One thing that Hendry has been excellent at is utilizing his major league scouts when making trades and FA signings. Besides that, yeah, he's pretty bad at everything.
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I think that if you compare him to other GM's, just on FA signings, he'll look pretty good.
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I hate to admit that I miss Andy McFail as president
So you don't think that Hendry wins enough, but you want McPhail back?
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Did McFail have 140 Million dollar payrolls?
At least the guy showed some budget skills and negotiating acumen.
Hendry gives 2 year deals to Club controlled Non-Tender crap like Aaron Miles.
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At least Hendry has actually won.
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Hendry has been GM since 2002.
McFail should get a little credit for fostering a Minor League system that contributed to most of what contributed to the 2007-2008 playoff teams.
Are the guys that Hendry can take 100% credit for.
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Perhaps I didn't phrase my point very well.
I am not advocating bringing McFail back. I hated his penny pinching ways just as I hate the Hendry buffoonery.
My point is moreso that Jim Hendry needs a filter at the very least. If a Beinfest for instance was around, to do the negotiating and oversignt. Then we would be better off.
There is probably 25-35 Million in dead/overpayment money on this roster right now. If a responsible exec was overseeing the contract negotiations. Then we wouldn't be in the situation we are currently in.
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But who was offering 8 years to Soriano 3 years to Bradley or 4 to Kfuk or Dempster?
It just seems like Hendry bids against himself with everyone he gets. Grabow. Miles. Dempster. Bradley etc.
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My mistake then, All this time I though this was a disorganized side show.
Imagine my suprise to find out this is a well oiled, forward thinking machine?
Good point on the Mets comparison with Hendry. Hendry seems to build teams for the next 6 months, not over time. He repeatedly makes bad decisions, and still seems to favor high strike out, low walk hitters and high strikeout, high walk pitchers over guys who get on base and keep hitters off base. I don't care about their tools or how hard they throw, can they help us win?
And every team should have a good farm system, there's not excuse not to. Yes, the talent in any given draft is limited, but so much of this can be taught by good coaches. Stop drafting players (and promoting) players who don't grasp the fundamentals. But the fundamentals can be taught. Better fielding, being able to bunt, hit behind the runner, read a pitcher's delivery - those things can be taught if you stress them enough and hire good coaches at every level. You might not be able to promote a future star player to the majors every year, but there's no reason every team can't come up with at least 2-3 fundamentally sound, good contributors from the minors every year, many of which will be able to be starters. It just drives me nuts that teams don't understand that spending $10 million on their minor leagues, or whatever the number needs to be, is a better investment than signing some of these crappy free agents they keep signing.
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Over the last two off-seasons his primary hitter additions have been Fukudome and Bradley. He also brought in Edmonds and handed Soto the starting job at catcher. The 'he doesn't get OBP' rap no longer holds.
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No one's talking about the Marlins. The blueprint is the Red Sox.
Chip Caray not Renewed at TBS
Thank God.
Now get rid of Joe Buck and Tim McGarver and post season baseball can be tolerable again.
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My thoughts on why Dawson should be in:
I don't like when people compare him to Rice or other borderline HOFers. Compare him to someone who went in easily like Dave Winfield.
- Winfield had 7 gold gloves, Dawson 8, both were known as strong-armed outfielders, although Dawson had more range.
- Winfield was in 12 AS games, Dawson 8. Winfield started 8, Dawson 7.
- Both received MVP votes in 9 years; Winfield made the top 5 three times (3-4-5); Dawson made the top 5 three times (1-2-2).
- Neither was any good in their limited post-season appearances.
- Dawson had a slightly lower OPS (.806 to .827) because Winfield walked quite a bit more, but Dawson had about 100 more stolen bases and was successful at a better clip (5% better), and also had over 100 fewer GDP.
- Overall, their peak 15 years were eerily similar in almost every category across the board, with Dawson having more speed, and Winfield having more patience at the plate.
- The main difference in their final count stats is that Winfield managed about 1,500 more plate appearances. Thus he ends up with about 300 more hits and runs, 200 more RBI, 40 more doubles, and 30 more homeruns. Winfield's WARP3 is 62.6 and Dawson's 59.6.
Of course durability is a factor in the HOF, but I can't help but believe that if Winfield played at Olympic Stadium for 11 years, and Dawson were roaming around San Diego and Yankee Stadium, their stats would look quite a bit different today. And longevity is the only thing separating them, during their long peaks they were equal. In my mind, there is just not enough separating them to warrant Winfield getting 84.5% his first time on the ballot, and for Dawson to receive 45% in his first year and top out at 67% so far.
But of course this is just my opinion.
But then I wonder about someone like Willie Stargell. No magic numbers, in fact Dawson beats him in most categories, and he had no defense and no speed. Stargell beats him in OBP and SLG, but their WARP3's are very close. I guess Stargell has post-season accolades to his credit, but is that the difference between getting in the Hall on the first year and polling in the 50s and 60s for years? I just wish there were more consistency in voting between similar players. Maybe Ozzie is more deserving than Trammell but not first-ballot to 17%.
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Roberto Clemente says hello.
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Clemente won the MVP in 1966 with 29 homers, 119 rbi, 105 runs scored and .317/.360/.536 (OPS+ 146). Stargell that same year had 33 homers, 102 rbi, 84 runs scored and .315/.381/.581 (OPS+ 164). Stargell played in 14 fewer games (only 140), something that seems to have been somewhat of a common occurrence for him, never having played more than 148 games in a year. The Bill James piece on him in the Historical Baseball Abstract refers to him having been injured often.
Matty Alou hit .342 for the Pirates in 1966, winning the batting title. Coincidentally, his brother Felipe finished second with a .327 average.
Other candidates for the NL MVP in 1966:
--Richie Allen .317/.396/.632 (OPS+ 181)
--Ron Santo .312/.412/.538 (OPS+ 161)
--Willie McCovey .295/.391/.586 (OPS+ 164)
--Joe Torre .315/.382/.560 (OPS+ 156)
--Henry Aaron .279/.356/.539 (OPS+ 142) (first year in Atlanta; led league in homers and rbi)
--Willie Mays .288/.368/.536 (OPS+ 149)
It was a close vote, with Clemente having 218 votes and beating out Koufax who had 208. Mays was 3rd, Allen 4th, Felipe Alou 5th, Aaron 8th, Matty Alou 9th, Santo 12th, Stargell 15th, Torre 16th and McCovey 17th.
Juan Marichal, Phil Regan, Pete Rose and Gene Alley all finished ahead of Santo, as well as those below him.
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Clemente deservedly won the WS MVP in 1971.
I recommend the David Maraniss biography of Clemente wholeheartedly; it's superb.
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"Clemente deservedly won the WS MVP in 1971."
Yeah, it was really no contest. He was so dominant a player in that Series (.414/.452/.759 w/ OPS of 1.210, displaying his superior arm and glove & running the bases like a madman) that there was a lot of discussion early on about whether they should give the MVP to a person on the losing team, as he was so clearly the outstanding performer on the field for that whole series. Luckily, the Pirates (the underdog -- Baltimore had a pitching staff with four 20 game winners that year) won, making the whole argument academic.
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I think the big difference between the two is that Winfield had the great season late for a World Series team whereas Dawson's career went out with more of a whimper. If you don't have the 'magical' numbers an exclamation point season like that probably goes a long way in the voters' minds.
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Interesting comparison.
Winfield walked quite a bit more, but Dawson had about 100 more stolen bases and was successful at a better clip (5% better), and also had over 100 fewer GDP
Winfield walked 627 more times than Dawson in their careers. The value of the 100 extra bases stolen and 100 fewer double plays don't make up for that.
Dawson having more speed, and Winfield having more patience at the plate
That alone makes Winfield much more valuable than Dawson, before you even consider plate appearances, which you did.
Winfield managed about 1,500 more plate appearances
There's a significant difference between Winfield and Dawson, and right now the HOF generally has it's admission bar somewhere between the two. The irony with Jim Rice comps is that Jim Rice is not between the two in terms of value--Dawson's better.
Of course durability is a factor in the HOF, but I can't help but believe that if Winfield played at Olympic Stadium for 11 years, and Dawson were roaming around San Diego and Yankee Stadium, their stats would look quite a bit different today.
This is a fine thought experiment if you want to discuss who was the more talented ball player, but as you noted, durability is a factor. And the hall is more about performance than talent.
Also, as the BBWAA continues to admit more saber-types into its ranks, that .323 career OBP will continue to kill Dawson's chances.
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Some of those walks are made up by Dawson getting hit by a pitch 111 times to just 25 for Winfield. Which by the way is ridiculous! And Dawson saved more runs on defense, playing CF for many years compared to Winfield in RF.
But yes this is just a thought piece, and I don't disagree that the HOF is more about performance than talent. In general, I just think the hall focuses too much on longevity and cumulative stats when it MEASURES performance. It seems like they are only able to bend this when it comes to tragic stories like Kirby Puckett. If we look at performance from say 1978-1992, in my mind, Dawson is a HOFer. Injuries simply prevented him from padding the count stats like others have been able to do. For better or worse, HOF voters reward the Winfields and Murrays of the world for mostly sucking for 3-5 years after their peaks and reaching so-called magic numbers.
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Dawson, 78-92
9000PAs 282/327/490/817 380HR 513BB 1243Ks 124OPS+
Career (76-96):
10769PAs 279/323/482/806 438HR 589BB 1509Ks 119OPS+
Yeah, the Boston and Florida years dragged Dawson down with 4 below average years by OPS+. You like the power, but the pitch selection is still really low for the best slugger in the lineup, even in the years you mentioned.
Murray had 4 below average years and 2 terrible ones at the end of his career. He still managed a career OPS+ of 129. Winfield had 2 averagish years and 1 terrible year with a career OPS+ of 130. I think Murray was more guilty of sticking around to grab a number. And you're right--that's not really fun to watch, like Biggio the last couple years. But yes, the Hall voters love a big number. If you're saying that had Dawson stayed around long enough to get 250 more hits or 60 more homers, he'd be in by now, you're probably right. And that's probably not the most fair thing, but longevity matters--you can't help a team win if you're not in the game.
Take heart though. Dawson had a 65.9% vote last time. I don't think anyone's ever been that high and not made the hall. I wouldn't vote for him, but it looks like he'll get in some day.
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According to WSCR Ricketts and Kinney visiting Naples tomorrow to discuss ST with officials.
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i still don't buy the naples thing...other teams bitch enough about the ride to ft. myers and naples is 1 hour further south.
it will take 3-5 hours for teams not already in ft. myers area (3 teams) to reach naples...and vice-versa.
the cubs may get a good deal for an invitation, but tucson and it's 1.5-2 hour drive with incentives galore can't attract teams with a great quality stadium already in place.
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I agree, just a ploy to see who in Phoenix will give them the best deal.
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speaking of...the comment/reply box is too small.
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i can't drag/resize anything.
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gotcha and awesome. the reply field with more rows of text works. it was just way short before.
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i hate you with great intensity. hehe...
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chip caray is now an announcing free agent...released from his tbs contract.
"Since the M.L.B. playoffs, we've had several discussions with Chip Caray regarding 2010 and beyond. Both sides have agreed that now is the right time for Turner Sports and Chip to move ahead on different paths."
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I'm not much of a stats guy although I do love the new trends towards destroying stupid ass GMs based on those stats.All I know is I remember the Dawson swami and that's good enough for me. If 1800 beer swilling drunkards are happy with him, then, dammit, I am too. And if we can get more people drunk enough maybe we can stop hating a guy who FUCKING can hit. Sorry. I spoke out against the general judgement of the lame ass crowd.
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that's how you end up keeping andy van slyke rather than barry bonds. :(
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Well, I think money had something to do with it.
Worse ever not resigning a FA? Bonds or Maddux?
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Kerry Wood
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Speaking of DeRosa, his wife is one of the hotties Dave Kaplan is blogging about. I guess posting photos of some of the players wives/girlfriends beats following the Bears.
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Cleveland Manny Ramirez?
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The Red Sox with Clemens have to be in there too, but at least he came off a bad season.
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Maybe Houston with Randy Johnson? They probably could've won a Series with him during that time he was in Arizona.
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you wanna count MIN non-tendering david ortiz rather than paying him 1-2 million bucks?
guess that's hindsight since any team out there could have had him as a FA on BOS took a 1.5m-ish chance on him.
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Also says the Jays want an everyday player and a starter for right now.
These organizations that think in half-measures, to me, are just destined to never get anywhere. Either blow it up or try to contend. Trying to do both turns you into the 2009 Indians (or the 2010 Jays).
The Jays farm system is supposedly dry. How is adding a couple of dependable but not all-star 3rd year players going to get them anywhere?
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Riccardi and Hendry have similar GM careers at this point. JPs undoing was a much lower payroll and much tougher division.
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i dont think TB has the balls to trade burrell away to be someone's part time player. they need every advantage when negotiating with FA's (aka, agents) they can get.
and as much as im not a kelly johnson fan i sure wouldn't complain about him being a cub...im also perfectly fine with baker/fontenot (though it seems fontenot is trade bait at this point).
fwiw, i can't remember the article...think it was the trib a few days ago...but the cubs are serious enough about s.castro that they've supposedly told theriot to prepare for a good bit of work at 2nd this spring.
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yes...i do not want to see him rushed.
it has NOTHING to do with the fact i think it will detour his development because i don't know much about it, but i see absolutely no reason to start his clock before his sweet swing develops more consistency and power.
tex using up elvis andrus before his time comes to mind...as decent as he is and as far as his upside is, he could use a little more refining at bat and in the field. andrus isn't a bad fielder, but he's not polished.
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Let the kid get a FULL 450-500 AAA at bats before bringing him to Chicago.
Reeks of Patterson redux
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Just to clarify Doc...does it smack of Patterson redux if they do get Castro a full season at AAA, or if they do not?
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If they do not.
Patterson never spent more than about 6 weeks at a time in Iowa.
They pushed him through the system without him ever having to make adjustments.
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Not trying to start an argument here, but those two players share very little other than they're baseball players and they reached AA at a young age.
The problem with Patterson being promoted was that he got worse and worse as he went up the ladder. Castro is not experiencing that. Castro has actually earned his promotions, not whined about where he was at until he got promoted. That's a huge difference.
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Not a bad point TRN. It couldn't hurt to get Castro, at age 20 in 2010, a full season at AA or AAA before anointing him the starting SS. He did pretty well in AA, but only has 122 PA's. .288/.347/.396 is solid, but certainly not dominating.
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Don't get me wrong. I am 100% behind the Castro in AA or AAA to start the season philosophy. I just don't like the logic that says "because one player was rushed and didn't turn out well, every player must spend at least one full year at every level". Was having Mark Prior in the Cubs rotation in 2003 a bad idea, or Kerry Wood in 1998? When a guy shows he can handle it, promote him.
So far, Castro has handled everything thrown at him. Not perfectly, but there's nothing in his record that shows he is being over matched. Keep in mind that the PA's he got in Arizona were also against AA and AAA pitchers. So now he's got 220 PA's against high minors competition. He's started slowly in the DWL, though.
Come spring training I would let him duke it out with Barney for the AAA starting job - loser goes to TN, or maybe 2nd base if it's Barney who loses. It's not likely that he's going to be an upgrade over Theriot next year. By 2011, if he continues to progress like he did last year, there probably won't be any question that Theriot will need to step aside (or hopefully, play SS somewhere else).
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I wonder if there's ever been a study on pitchers who get rushed through the minors versus position players. It seems like it would be much easier for a pitcher to do well at the big league level at a young age. Consider Prior and Wood. Prior had pinpoint control with multiple plus pitches. Wood had a high 90s fastball and a devastating slider back in '98. With those skills, it doesn't matter who they're pitching to.
However, some position players who absolutely dominate minor league pitching can't duplicate that success at the major league level because they're facing much tougher pitchers (e.g. Felix Pie).
Anyway, it would be interesting to see, but I have neither the time nor patience to look all this info up. But yeah, Castro should probably take some time in AAA before being annointed the savior.
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(Hey you, psst, yeah you. Felix Pie hit .266.326.437 last year.)
There's the concept known as TINSTAPP, which says as soon as a pitcher dominates in the majors bring him up. All you have to do is miss bats, throw strikes and not get hurt. Dwight Gooden is probably the best example of that. But then there's guys like Rich Hill who need to make adjustments as well.
If Castro would start as the Cubs shortstop this year, I think he'd probably do about as well as Theriot. He'd get to more balls but make more errors. He'd probably hit for a little more power but have less OBP.
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I think you'd see something closer to 2006 Ronny Cedeno. Then you run the risk of him getting booed outta town.
Better to let him play in Iowa till he's really ready. Why start his free agent clock before he can contribute anyway?
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Well, if you're Jim Hendry you don't really understand this whole arbitration thing, so that's not a factor.
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mark prior didn't need the cubs or their minor league system...he was a very rare talent ready to go out of the draft.
it's easy to forget how great (not good... f'n great) he was at this point.
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I don't understand the concept of "rushed" as it is applied to Corey Patterson.
I understand this scenario: you promote a player too quickly, he struggles in the majors until you trade him, then he blossoms somewhere else. That's what happened with Lou Brock.
But Patterson is thirty now. He's had a shot every year, with five teams. How can you claim with any confidence that he had the right stuff to begin with?
Pie might do something in the next year or two, in which case you could argue that he was rushed, though I wouldn't necessarily agree. At some point you run out of minor-league options. Pie might have been a victim of that chronic gaping hole in centerfield, absent which, he might have remained a Cub till he was ready.
(Pie had an ankle injury in 2005 that prevented his being called up from double-A when Patterson was exiled to Iowa. Adam Greenberg got the gig--some gig--in his place.)
But there's no gaping hole at shortstop. Castro would be moving Theriot out of the way.
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Corey Patterson struggled in AAA and was still given a major league job.
Patterson's OPS by year:
.694 - at which point you decide he's ready for a full time gig in CF for the Cubs. As he faced more accomplished pitchers his numbers went down significantly. That's not the case with Castro, so far.
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If guys like Clemens, McGwire and Bonds get in then they really need to strongly consider Pete Rose for the Hall of Fame!
The old PED vs. gambling debate
My view in a nutshell:
1. Guys like Clemens, McGwire and Bonds took actions (you may call it cheating) with the goal of increasing their performance and helping their teams to win
2. Rose took actions away from the field that may have decreased his ostensible goal of helping his team win games--depends on whether you believe a man who lied for years by claiming he did not gamble when he now says he gambled every day for his team to win.
2 is a greater offense than 1.
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There's no evidence that Rose ever bet against the Reds.
Rose's intent was to satisfy his urge to gamble. The steroid users intent was to give themselves advantages over other players. Who's intent undermined the integrity of the game more? I would say the users.
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There's no evidence that Rose ever bet against the Reds.
2 points on that.
1. Betting on his team only part of the time is the same as betting against them the other times. If Pete tries harder to win some games than others, the fans aren't getting what they're paying for. And he sends a message to bookies on how to manage their odds.
2. Who cares if he never bet against his team? Even if he bet to win every game, as the man who lied about gambling for a decade now claims, putting him in the hall sets a precedent that gambling on your team is okay. And when you start allowing people to gamble on their teams, managers of less sterling character than Pete Rose will start to gamble against their team.
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Character...thats a freaking laugh. Please look at Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker..lol....it is not a Hall of those who have Good Character.
Pete Rose shold be in the HOF as a player. He should never be allowed to coach or manage again.
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You're right. It's not a "Hall of those who have Good Character". And I no where said it was.
Assholes. Cocaine addicts. Drunks. Womanizers. None of these personal failings preclude a great ball player from the hall because none of them suggest they didn't do their best to win.
Gambling on the game calls the basic premise of a ticket purchase into question. Betting against your team is unconscionable and betting for them is simply less bad and still unacceptable, for the reasons I mentioned above.
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I am not saying it's ok to bet on your team, or against your team. I do have the opinion that it is worse to cheat the game, to gain an unfair competitve advantage by using steroids or HGH, than to to have bet on the game.
Please ask Alex Karras or Paul Hornung their opinion on betting.
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Dusty is correct. There's no correlation between the punishment and the crime. Is the hall of fame even an MLB entity?
Can it reasonably be argued that Rose's betting on some Reds games damaged the integrity of the game as much as the racist actions of dozens of hall of famers - who did that when they were actually involved in compiling their HoF careers?
What would be worse, gambling on your team after retiring or committing a double homicide? Which one keeps you out of the HoF?
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The hall is not an MLB entity. It simply chose to respect MLB's banning of players like Joe Jackson and Pete Rose.
And yes. Banning is a reasonable punishment for gambling. Gambling damages the integrity of the game while a personal fault damages only the integrity of that player. Gambling calls into question the basic premise of a ticket purchase, that we're seeing a fair competition between two teams trying their hardest to win.
The hall isn't a museum of morality--there are bad people in it. But their faults are personal. Gambling is a fault that more broadly affects the institution of baseball, and the hall rightly respects MLB's banning of gamblers.
I hope that the Hall will continue to ban gamblers if MLB makes good some day on re-instituting Rose, as came close a few years ago.
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"Gambling damages the integrity of the game while a personal fault damages only the integrity of that player."
You've got two logical fallacies here. The first of course is that using PED's doesn't damage the integrity of the game. Ask the 2002 Braves and Cardinals if they would have rather had Dusty betting on the Giants and a clean Bonds, or what they got. How is using PED's "creating a fair competition between two teams trying their hardest to win?" It's not.
The second is that you compare a player who knowingly took bribe money to throw games, to a guy who gambled on his team after his career was over, and tried to equate them.
Seriously, how can you compare one person who allowed for the possibility for future games to lack in integrity to players who knowingly cheated to win games, and then come out on the side of the latter as the less egregious offense?
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Your disagreement does not connote a logical fallacy.
You assume, for one, that Bonds was the only PED user in the 2002 series with the Braves and Cardinals. In fact, we have no idea how many were using and to what extent the PEDs affected the outcome of those series. If PEDs were the deciding factor in those series, then the Angels must have won against the Giants because they had more PED users. But of course, that's nonsense. And that's the problem with PEDs in general. Who knows how much they were used and how much they help? But there's no question the players who used them were trying to perform better. And better performance helps a team win.
There is considerable question about Rose's efforts. Once more, betting for your team on some games is like betting against your team on others. And any acceptance of gambling is a dangerous precedent.
I'll grant you that Rose and Jackson's offenses are not the same assuming Rose never bet against his team. Otherwise, they're precisely the same.
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You assume, for one, that Bonds was the only PED user in the 2002 series with the Braves and Cardinals.
No, I don't assume that, and don't need to.
You assume that Rose was the only player involved in gambling on any of his games, and if he was then it impacted the outcome of the games. There is 0 evidence that either of these assumptions are correct.
And finally, no matter how many times you repeat it, gambling on your team has no impact to the integrity of your game. What has an impact is 1. Gambling against your team or 2. Being coerced into throwing games because of gambling debts.
Neither of these acts Rose engaged in, and again, even if he had it would have been after his playing career ended.
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in every single dugout...on a sign...a die-cast metal struck plaque in some dugouts...it is VERY explicit you are not to gamble on the game.
rose passed this sign a few thousand times.
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Okay. We clearly disagree. But you're saying that gambling on your team has no impact to the integrity of the game doesn't make it true. Reasonable people can justifiably disagree.
In fact, enough people think that gambling of any type is detrimental to the integrity of the game that the policy is created as such. You think that's unfair, fine. I think it's perfectly just for the reasons I mentioned. Additionally, a manager with money on the game may be more likely to take unreasonable actions to hurt the other team--head hunting or spike-up slides on steals, or other things we might not consider particularly fair, things they wouldn't do if they didn't have extra money on the game.
You assume that Rose was the only player involved in gambling on any of his games
This is just reactionary. I never suggested that I assumed this at all. I would have all gamblers and game-throwers banned from the hall.
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If Stargell hadn't played the first 7 plus years of his career in Forbes Field, I shudder to think how many homers he would have hit. As it was, he hit 475, 221 at home and 254 on the road. He easily would have hit 500 had he played in a normal environment at home. After the Pirates moved in 1970, he hit 48 homers in 1971 and another 44 in 1973, when he was 33. The man was strong.
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Like you said, he hit 254 on the road, 221 at home. Not a huge difference, and there is little there that would make anyone think that playing in a "normal environment at home" would make a significant difference.
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for the years in Forbes (1962 through mid-1970), the difference was more pronounced: 75 at home (41%), 108 on the road (59%). Over his entire career, it was 46% at home and 54% on the road.
According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Field):
"The original distances to the outfield fence in left, center, and right field were 360 feet (110 m), 462 feet (141 m), and 376 feet (115 m) respectively.
"In 1925, the right field grandstand was extended into the corner and into fair territory, reducing the foul line distance from 376 feet (115 m) to 300 feet (91 m).[16] Due to the reduced distance, Dreyfuss erected a 28-foot (8.5 m) high screen to limit home runs.
"Even at this long distance from home plate, the wall stood 12 feet (3.7 m) in height in all around the field, with the right field wall reduced to 9.5 feet (2.9 m) following the 1925 construction (topped by the screen). . . .
"The final posted dimensions of the ballpark were left field line 365 feet (111 m), left-center field 406 feet (124 m), deepest left-center 457 feet (139 m), deep right-center 436 feet (133 m), right-center field 375 feet (114 m), and right field line 300 feet (91 m)."
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Perhaps a better statement would have been "if he had not played the first 7 seasons in the decade of the pitcher."
Meh...Pops Stargell was a heck of a player.
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Giants scare me. I think you're wrong about Bumgarner, he would pitch on short rest for Game 2 and then full rest for Game 5. Cueto would go Game 1, then short rest in game 4. Add in some really tough outs in that lineup and I want nothing to do with them. With that rotation they can easily steal a series.
Cards are a tough matchup. The rivalry evens out their comparable lack of talent. And like someone said, they love HRs, which is how to beat the Cubs. The upside is that I would feel really good about Lester twice against STL.
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Right now, I'd like to see the Mets first, Giants 2nd.
I believe that since most of the team from last years' NLCS is on the squad this year, they will really amp their game up even more to kick their ass in payback for 2015.
The Giants just do not have the depth in years past, and I think all things equal - and at Wrigley - they could handle them.
I do not want to see the Cards, period. Or their fans, media, or Joe Buck.
I don't want to play Braves in the first round. Any friggin team in the league can win 3 of 5..I hate the first round. Furthermore, I wanted to play the Marlins in 2003 and the Mets over Dodgers last year.
With that said in reverse order:
3. Cardinals: It will be devastating to lose in the first round, but even worse to their main rival. It is increased incentive for the Cardinals, especially after last year. Cards would have nothing to lose, Cubs have everything to lose.
2. Giants: Rotation in the playoffs scare me a bit, but what a lousy team.
1. Mets--because of the losses in the rotation
2. Giants--because they're not the team they were BUT they maybe have bullshit even-year magic?
3. Cardinals--because rivalry and not making the playoffs hurts them more than losing in the NLDS plus getting eliminated by them in the playoffs would make for horrible sports commentary next throughout next season.
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CLE/DET rained out last night already, possible rain-outs in New York (vs. Baltimore), Boston(vs. Toronto) and Philly(vs. Mets) this weekend too.
Not only games involving playoff spots that would need to be played, but any that involve home field advantage.
I got the first one! Second one I'm not even sure what even/odd betting is.
any opponent preference for NLDS?
Mets are down to 1 great pitcher instead of 4. Syndegaard may pitch Sunday which means if Mets win the WC game, he'd be set up for Game 1. There's a chance they clinch a spot by Sunday so he'd pitch the WC and then we'd probably get Colon for Game 1. They've certainly had the hottest bats over the last week and month out of the WC options.
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Its Berkeley Timberland. Part 3.
Here we go again, again.
The cross-county rivalry resumed in 2010. Until then the Stags and Wolves hadnt met up since 2007, when Timberland was still in AAA.
When the series stopped in 2007, the Stags had won all eight encounters between the two schools.
The Berkeley Timberland quickly took a backseat to the Cane Bay rivalry mostly because of Stags coach Jeff Cruce. In 2010, the Cruce-led Cobras beat Berkeley for the first time and won the schools first region championship. In 2011 and just last week, Cane Bay has enjoyed beating Berkeley because Cruce jumped ship to take the Stags AD and coaching job. While the Stags and Cobras still play, that rivalry has lost a little of its zing when Cane Bay made the jump to AAAA.
But this Friday its all about Berkeley and Timberland, two schools that really dont like each other.
Since resuming their rivalry in 2010, the Wolves have won the last two meetings in convincing fashion. Overall, since 1996 and the merging of Macedonia, St. Stephen and Cainhoy High Schools, these schools dont like each other much.
Its more of a big brother vs. red headed (or orange headed) stepchild. Timberland can be called a little green with envy over the attention afforded Berkeley, even though the Wolves have garnered more state championships in the last 15 years four than the Stags lone title in 2009.
These two schools are my two top schools with geography and proximity tilting the scales in the Stags favor. I love covering both schools.
Until I moved to Moncks Corner in 2008, I had not covered a single state championship team in more than 20 years of sports coverage in newspaper and radio. Since moving here Ive watched three state championship teams split between the two schools. Big news back then was when one of the local boys signed a full ride to Georgia Tech, the first big time scholarship signed by any player from the schools Ive covered.
Then I move here and find big time scholarship signings an almost common occurrence. On National Signing Day the number of students signing athletic scholarships (23) overflowed the school boards meeting room and had to be moved to the BHS auditorium.
Since moving here theres not a weekend that passes when I dont say to someone I know from Georgia, See that guy? Hes from Berkeley. See that guy? He went to Timberland.
Or even, This guy played at Cross.
NFL Week One had representatives from both Berkeley and Timberland on the field in Tracy White (New England) from Timberland, and Omar Brown (Baltimore) and Ronald Aiken (Arizona assistant coach) from Berkeley.
If you turn on the radio and scroll down the dial you might pick up former Berkeley guys in Doug and Ryan Stewart on their nationally syndicated, 2 Live Stews.
At the heart of it all though, is Berkeley vs. Timberland.
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I've had the opportunity to tour the Distillery more than once. While I wouldn't say "grandeur" is a term best applied to a cabin in its actual slave quarter days, it's impressive to realize that the middle of the building dates from the 1840s and the sides from the 1870s. They've restored it very carefully, and the fact that it was a slave cabin isn't a main focus at all; recognizing historical ties to the area and making delicious liqueurs is their thing. I tried those too when I was there, and I very highly recommend them - especially the Raspberry Lemon!
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Is it still being used as slave quarters??
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A very recent, detailed Gates Foundation Study finds that the cost of traditional college textbooks and materials is one of two primary reasons (among six) for students 1) dropping out of college; and/or 2) deciding not to attend college.
Further, U. S. Department of Labor analysis shows that 72% of the total annual cost of a Community College education is consumed by college textbook expenditures; while public four-year university students pay between 26-42% of their total annual educational costs for college textbook expenditures. These outlandish percentages -- i.e. the high cost of textbooks relative to the total cost of education -- have actually increased since the Department of Labor analysis was completed a few years ago, with textbook prices steadily accelerating, on average, at three times the rate of inflation -- as they have for the last 15 years.
The responsibility for this unacceptable situation falls squarely on the shoulders of traditional educational textbook publishers; their too-high-textbook prices, and inefficient publishing models, are breeding an unacceptable tragedy in the making. Massive long-term fiscal and social diseconomies result when large numbers of college-age students either drop out of college, or decide not to attend college simply because they are unable to afford their college textbooks. It's also well known that students have been complaining for years about high textbook costs.
Just one student who leaves school because s/he cannot afford too-expensive college textbooks results in a net cumulative loss in fiscal and social advantage that runs into the millions of dollars over a lifetime. Multiply this loss by many, many thousands of students every year, and the personal and societal toll of the current, traditional textbook is staggering -- running into tens-of-billions of dollars of lost collective opportunity, over thousands of lifetimes!
Another unfolding tragedy that results from American students dropping out college or deciding not to enter college -- due to too-high textbook costs -- is a collective American loss of long-term international competitiveness.
The pain resulting from high textbook prices, and the limits to educational access thus caused, is not shared equally. American students today are more economically challenged, having proportionately less income to spend in terms of real dollars than past generations -- yet traditional college textbooks have increased at three times the rate of inflation for the last fifteen years. High textbook prices are thus contributing to the growing "attainment divide" in America. The traditional college textbook business is broken; it cannot be any more upside-down than it already is; it's causing losses that all Americans share in and have to pay for, as we collectively pick up the tab for the lost opportunity left in the wake of the traditional textbook publishing industry's profits, as the industry remains completely out-of-touch with college student's and teaching institution needs.
Universal access to post-secondary education in America helps create the necessary social ingredients to sustain our open society. Education stimulates invention and opportunity; education lends power to the promise of democracy; education helps create social equality, putting an end to intolerance of difference. Cicero, the great Roman philosopher and statesman wrote, "Freedom is participation in power". Cicero has been shown to be largely right though the example of the American experience. Education is an enabler of the "participation in power" that Cicero spoke of -- i.e. the better one understands one's world, the more effectively one can participate in it, shape it, and adapt to the shock of externally induced change -- like the kind of rapid change that our nation is experiencing now, as technology accelerates, and increased international competition challenges our nation as never before. Education also helps to inoculate our culture against the ignorance that domestic and international tyrannies would feed on. In modern American society, college education or post-secondary certification is a key ingredient for personal and political power; without advanced education there is no democracy; there is no equality; there is no opportunity. How ironic, then, that traditional textbook prices have been, for years, thwarting the very open access to college education that is necessary to maintain the American promise.
Aside from the invention of the alphabet, Gutenberg's press and moveable type, and the Internet -- all major disruptors of establishment enterprise in their time -- Open Licensing is surely the most profound development yet to enable the transparent spread of intellectual capital. "Open" innovations include Linux and its various flavors; Apache servers; Moodle, a powerful open learning platform; the Open Library, providing unprecedented universal ccess to the world's literature; open pharma offering the promise of widely shared and cheaply available pharmaceutical formulae to save lives; and Firefox, the world's most popular web browser. Literally, billions of pieces of intellectual capital -- writing, imagery, research, art, scientific formulae, designs, art, multimedia, and so on are licensed as Open -- with open licensing growing at exponential rates, enabling a new world of creation and discovery -- and now, Open licensing has entered the world of textbook publishing, to become a solution to the high textbook cost problems mentioned above.
High college textbook prices exist only because we choose to let them exist; we no longer have to endure this egregious and untenable situation, because there are viable alternatives to the "old", expensive textbook publishing model; open educational textbook solutions are here, now.
Full disclosure: I am Director of Business Development at Flat World Knowledge, a new venture-capital-backed textbook company, founded by two former long-time executives from Pearson (the world's largest textbook company) who had grown tired of "business as usual" in the broken college industry. We create open-licensed college textbooks as a key strategy toward ending the toll taken on American students and American society that results from outmoded pricing and business models deployed by traditional college textbook publishers.
Flat World Knowledge publishes high quality, professionally developed college textbooks, fully supported by instructor manuals, study guides, and other teaching/learning aids -- but that's where any similarity between Flat World Knowledge and the traditional college textbook publishers ends. Unlike the traditional textbook publishers, our we open license our textbooks, enabling us to offer our textbooks in their entirety, for free, online -- at the same time offering our textbooks in black-and-white (grey-scale), professionally formatted, print soft cover editions for significantly less (80% less, on average) than college textbook prices imposed by traditional textbook publishers.
Flat World Knowledge also offers textbooks in digital formats -- e.g. in download-to-print (PDF) versions (entire, formatted book) and per chapter. We also provide digital audio (Mp3) downloads most of our books in their entirety, or by the chapter. We offer study aids for a virtual pittance, per chapter. All of our textbook content can be used in eBook readers (Kindle, Nook, etc.); our textbook content is also compatible with Learning Management Systems (LMS -- e.g. Moodle, Blackboard, eCollege, Angel, etc.) used in many of today's colleges and universities.
Openly licensing our textbooks also enables us to bring immediate, complete control over textbook content to instructors and curriculum developers -- a groundbreaking innovation in commercial college textbook publishing. College instructors and curriculum developers are free to alter the content of our textbooks -- i.e. to create their very own derivatives of our textbooks -- all in a very easy drag-and-drop environment. Individual chapters in Flat World Knowledge textbooks are easily rearranged from their original order -- or eliminated altogether -- to fit the needs of the teacher's specific course outline. College instructors tell us that they love this feature, as it permits them to add their own content, and further adapt our textbooks to their student's needs and their teaching preferences. Imagine the time, money, and frustration saved by college teachers from this feature, alone. Also, college instructors no longer have to endure the dreaded "book-out-of-print" problem brought by traditional college textbook publishers, as an excuse to force more expensive (and all-too-often largely unchanged, from the last edition) textbooks into the classroom. College teachers have been complaining about this for years. No more.
What's even more exciting is that our publishing and business model is profitable, and fast proving to be self-sustainable. Our publishing model and our textbooks have proved wildly successful, with Flat World Knowledge textbooks already adopted at more than 500 unique colleges and universities in America, all within our first year of doing business. This is a stunning success in the staid, established world of commercial college textbook publishing, where progress and innovation have always lagged (but somehow, prices have not). We're letting students and college instructors decide if we're doing things right. Judging by our results, we're on our way to forever changing the way college textbooks are solicited, published, and distributed.
In sum, Flat World Knowledge is using open licensing to blow away the traditional college textbook competition, with the best open textbooks -- indeed, with the very best textbooks on our planet -- considering our price/value ratio, and the sheer amount of choice and flexibility we build into out products.
Flat World Knowledge, a for-profit company, shares the spirit of open textbook production with several non-profit, non-commercial open educational resource repository (OER) brethren -- among them, the California Community College Open Text Project and the Connexions Project. We respect and support non-profit efforts in this sector; they are important contributors to change; they help spread the open college textbook meme in academia, where most OER repositories reside.
In the spirit of maintaining our mission, and matching our actions with rhetoric (i.e. walking-the-talk), Flat World Knowledge has created affiliate relationships with non-profit OER groups, and other non-profit educational ventures. We firmly believe in creating cooperative ventures with non-profit open textbook repositories; we believe mutual potentials are best realized when non-profit OER repositories use their power of peer communication to spread the open textbook meme to academic peers, leaving the creation of professionally developed and supported open textbooks to market-savvy, innovative open textbook publishers like Flat World Knowledge, who best understand the crucial marketplace logistics of on-the-ground textbook creation and distribution -- thus insuring superior execution and product support in a very complex distribution channel. Our market knowledge and competence insures that open textbooks will get used, instead of too-often lying unnoticed in OER repositories. The latter (optimal use) is something that remains a challenge in the OER distribution model, because the main competency in academia, where OER projects live and emanate from, is the provisioning of content -- rather than the discovery, organization, development, publishing, marketing, distribution, support, future maintenance of, and reinvestment in open textbook content. Our early success in the market has more than validated for-profit open textbook publishing as perhaps the most powerful and effective means to long-term sustainability of the open textbook marketplace.
The goal of Flat World Knowledge is also our challenge: we challenge all those who publish textbooks and other instructional aids to join us in providing affordable benefit and value to America's students and teaching institutions, for the sake of the very future of our people, and our nation. Professionally developed, open-licensed textbooks are here to stay; open licensing leverages the naturally occurring empathic quality of sharing that's wired into our species. Open textbook publishing is a public good; it's the right thing to do. Open licensing enables, in a sustainable way, the impulse for information to be free - in open, distributed networks -- at the same time protecting the creators of that information, in ways that they choose.
One open textbook at a time, we at Flat World knowledge are dedicated and determined to achieve a sustainable, profitable model of open textbook production 1) that enables learners and instructors; 2) that makes education affordable; 3) that opens up opportunity; 4) and, that strives in a sustainable, adaptable way to enable further educational innovation. Open is the only way forward; the "Open genie" is out of the box; Open college textbooks are here to stay; there is no going back; join us.
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First, I must say that the Flat World Knowledge site works great and the tools look like a dream. It is awesome how educators can rearrange and edit down to the paragraph level for customizing textbooks for class. The philosophy in this article is spot-on. I congratulate you all on your successes thus far.
However, I'm still seeing the problem I saw a year ago, that the content is all licensed in a non-free way. The NC variant of the CC license represents 100% of the site content licensing, based on a full audit I just did of the catalog. Considering all your arguments for movement toward free and open, I'm presuming you understand the social, community, and economic factors at work. Frankly put, free and open content are going to compete with more strength against proprietary variants, similar to software.
I hear your desire and plans to move the field of publishing forward. My concern is, doing this in a non-free and non-open content way is furthering some of the damage of the traditional publishing model.
What are your plans for modernizing this part of your licensing? Do you have a vision for removing this final freedom-restriction on the content?
What about offering a mix of free/open and non-free/open content licensing and seeing which texts are used in which ways? Let them truly compete in your marketplace.
Is this all part of your master plan to move from a non-free to a free and open model for textbook publishing? If so, can you please reveal the timeline to us?
There are real issues with a CC NC license, most of which are discussed in this article on FreedomDefined.org. I covered a fair amount in my previous blog post.
The main thing is, the NC is a non-free license, in that it provides field of use restrictions. It is not considered to be a free and open content license according to Fedora Legal.
I appreciate that in this article you did not make a direct equation with free and open source software, which was one of my deep concerns of last year. Claiming to be free and open when not really so is given the label of fauxpen. Yet, I am concerned that, in looking through the Flat World Knowledge catalog, I see the up-front license field says "Creative Commons" without a link to the specific license, leaving an unclear impression.
From the parts of the customization tools I saw, the licensing is not mentioned in the initial pages. I found the actual license notice only when reading the book, either the original or the customized version.
By contrast, all examples in your article are clear on their licensing, and they most often choose the CC BY license (attribution required.) Finding this information is one or two clicks away from their front page.
Sage Bionetworks, behind the "open pharma" link, is still exploring licensing but has the site under the CC BY license and otherwise seems to follow that philosophy. As a site of scientific pursuit, a free and open content license that focuses on attribution seems natural.
Open Library recognizes that most of their work is not copyrightable, and specifies that for contributors.
The Community College Open Textbook Collaborative has a site under the CC BY license and is using a definition of open textbook that does not require free-as-in-freedom. When you dig through the catalog there is a mix of licensing, including free and non-free variants. I looked over each page and my impression was a mix of 66% free and 33% non-free. Obviously, the free content is going to improve over time in usage and contribution, where the others are more likely to remain static.
Connexions seems to have all work under the CC BY license, as per their philosophy.
Flat World Knowledge has a lot of promise to be a game changer here, especially with the strong ties in your leadership team back to traditional publishing. But until you can truly free your content, you are going to have none of the supposed benefits of the traditional publishing model and not enough of the benefits of the free and open source model.
This is a good example of how "open" has become meaningless. Decades ago community software developers wrestled with the issue of whether it was legitimate and sound policy to use copyright to prohibit commercialization; they concluded that it was not. Linux, Apache, and Moodle, cited by Mr. Forte as examples of "open licensing", are in fact licensed quite differently from this company's textbooks, as their terms contain no commercial use restrictions.
The Linux kernel briefly was licensed by Linus Torvalds under an anti-commercial license, but Torvalds soon switched to the GPL. Had the kernel remained under that earlier license, it would have been about as world-changing as, say, minix (which itself eventually adopted a FOSS license). The other day was the 15th
anniversary of the Apache web server project. Does anyone think Apache would even have been remembered today had it chosen an anti-commercial license? (And needless to say there would have been no Red Hat, no opensource.com, and we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.)
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Why not make use of Wikibooks http://www.wikibooks.org/ and Wikisources http://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page. They are free as in "free beer" and as in "free speech". This could be the next success story in education as Wikipedia was in encyclopedias. Education is not an industry but part of commons. So let's make it that way, wikiway.
I've seen Quaid's good work on "The Open Source Way", a book about online communities by online communities. Being a community project, it makes sense that they allow commercial use. (I'm guessing it gets support from Red Hat, but even if they wanted they couldn't get away with a non-commercial license while maintaining the goodwill of the Fedora community.)
The Flat World project, however, is bringing resources to bear in a setting where open approaches are moving slowly. Their innovations, experiments and their success in delivering cheap and free textbooks to college students are great to see.
I too would like to see them be more open, dropping the NC clause, which restricts collaboration. (Note that even two projects using the CC-BY-NC-SA license cannot share content if they both use an exception allowing their own commercial use - and that exception is the only compelling reason I can see for the NC clause.)
But is that realistic? It looks like the injection of funds came because Flat World's model looked financially viable
There is no Wikipedia of textbooks - the mass collaboration that has created Wikipedia, wikiHow and notable smaller projects like Appropedia, has failed to follow through in Wikibooks. Similar projects like Wikiversity and WikiEducator are doing interesting things - they too have produced some great pages, even small modules, but no textbooks. Juha, maybe you have ideas for how Wikibooks can produce quality textbooks, but it's not a viable option yet.
Putting a structured resource like a textbook together is probably a far trickier task for a community than the kinds of wiki resources where each page can be managed almost independently. At the very least, such a project needs community managers, and probably recognized experts, and perhaps other roles besides, and generally will need to pay to have people perform these roles in a dedicated and sometimes full-time way.
Now, I hope that will change, and I know the game's not over. I can imagine a future for more open textbooks, in several ways:
* Government funding. Either by "buying" textbooks from open textbook projects, or by directly funding various projects that create or contribute to projects, govts can fulfill their role of supporting public goods. These projects could be community, non-profit, or corporate-managed.
* Foundations may also choose to fund such projects, in the same way they now help fund Wikipedia.
* Flat Earth might "iterate towards openness" by 1. adding a sunset to their NC clause, 2. improving the ways that a community (starting with the users of their textbooks) to contribute back (I'm on a phone with a slow connection and haven't checked how will this is happening already.), and 3. allowing contributors in that communities to share their contributions under additional licenses, and finding a way for someone accessing a page to check which licenses apply to which parts of a page (e.g. I'd be more keen to contribute if I could add CC-BY-SA to my edits in a meaningful way) - this would also be useful for a site such as wikiHow which is NC for historical reasons.
For now I see Flat Earth's work as a big positive, and I hope the pioneering work it's doing and the inroads it is making now will allow it or others to do the same thing I future in a more open way.
I left my point about financial viability unfinished above. Yes there are businesses which use an open model that allows others to use their work commercially without paying royalties. However it's a rare thing and I suspect *almost always* less profitable, and I'm sure a much harder sell to get venture capital for such a model.
To make the more open (no-NC) model feasible, funding from sources dedicated to supporting public goods, looks necessary. i.e. govts and donors
Very useful resource. Open college text books have interesting prospects and features!


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School me on lever guns
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November 28, 2012, 10:30 PM
My son is looking for a truck gun. He's left handed so he like to try one. But looking for something with a little more range than a 30-30. I see savage had a 243, was it ok? What all else is out there?
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November 28, 2012, 10:46 PM
Im likin a Henry Rifles AR-7. Only $250ish,breaks down to 16",stuffed in its own stock. Im looking for to gettin one
November 29, 2012, 12:02 AM
never seen a lefty lever-gun, but I have seen lefty's shoot levers with no problems.
If you can find a Savage 99 in 243 buy it, it's value will continue to rise !!
I have a 99 in 300 Savage; Love it, and very accurate. Also more powerful than a 30-30
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November 29, 2012, 12:16 AM
November 29, 2012, 12:16 AM
Well, there are a lot of misconceptions about the 30-30. People saying its weak or a 100 yard round. That's simply not true. And now with Hornady's Leverevolution, you can comfortably reach out to 200 yards minute of deer with 160 gr bullet. So, I would not discount the consummate lever gun round. For a truck gun for a lefty, a Rossi R92 (Winchester 92 clone) in 30-30 would be hard to beat. While it still ejects to the right, the 92 is a top eject and will chuck empties up across his forehead rather than across his line of sight.
If you want more distance, a Savage 99 that will handle a spitzer bullet is a great idea. But I wouldn't be slinging mine in the back of a truck...
November 29, 2012, 02:44 AM
The Browning lever rifle is also a box magazine instead of a tube mag. So it's pointy bullet friendly as well. Not to mention that it comes in a wide variety of chamberings. A bit pricey to have as a bash around truck gun though....
Does a truck gun really need to be able to hold more than one or maybe two rounds? When I think of a truck gun I sort of see a cheap'ish H&R Handi Rifle single shot break open beater that lives in a rifle sleeve in the trunk of the car or in behind the seats of a truck.
November 29, 2012, 03:17 AM
As another option: Ruger Gunsite Scout?
True lefty, laminated stock so weather/kicked about resistant. Pic Rail for handy optics/sight swap out. Short OAL. Detachable box mag which I find handy and useful if you want to keep the gun truly unloaded. .308 chambering easy to feed and won't lose much power from being in a short barrel. Shame ruger don't make their pistol chambered bolt actions in LH...
November 29, 2012, 05:11 AM
I shoot left handed and never have had a problem with lever action rifles.
While either the Winchester Model 88 or Savage Model 99 in a .308 chambering are nice choices and great rifles I can't say I would want one banging around in my truck.
For larger cartridges like the 45-70 or 444 Marlin the Marlin (older rifles) are nice rifles. Additionally lever guns in handgun chamberings are nice. However, I do not see them as much beyond 200 yard rifles (45-70 & 444).
For a good range of rifle cartridges the Browning BLR family is hard to beat with as mentioned the detachable box magazines. There are also the BLR take down flavors available.
All of this in keeping with a lever action rifle.
November 29, 2012, 05:39 AM
I love levers, my personal favorites are the Winchester 30-30 or a .357 carbine. I am devoutly left handed but unless I was some top gun competition shooter I would not buy a "lefty" firearm. Too specialized. I think the lefty only deal is overblown. I have done just fine all my life.
If you scope (gasp!) a top eject lever it has to be offset, another challenge for a lefty.
November 29, 2012, 09:15 AM
I'm a lefty and killed my deer this year with a Marlin 308MX. Makes the .30-30 look like throwing rocks, the FTX bullet for the MX is a better design than the one for the .30-30 with a higher BC and delivered at a higher muzzle velocity. Only thing that isn't "lefty friendly" is the safety. For a truck gun that isn't an issue as you just don't keep a round in the chamber, leave the hammer down and you don't need the safety. It's a side eject so adding a low power scope is easy.
November 29, 2012, 09:50 AM
You are going to pay some good money for a Sav 99 in .243 and that would be a shame to make it a truck gun. Maybe just get the Browning lever rifle and be done with it, if you want that cartridge.
November 29, 2012, 09:58 AM
Perhaps if we knew what he was expecting to shoot AT, the advice would be more usable.
November 29, 2012, 12:29 PM
Levers with flatter shooting cartridges tend to be worth more than the average truck gun. You can get a pump rifle and switch the safety from right to left. Plenty of beater Remington pumps around.
November 29, 2012, 05:15 PM
Levers with flatter shooting cartridges tend to be worth more than the average truck gun.
That seem to sum it up right there. I was thinking pump also. Not quite as "cool" but would work good. Deer, coyote, varmint size round is the idea. And I already load .243 so that's what I was thinking. Brownings might need a look.
And lots of good advice. Thanks.
November 29, 2012, 06:00 PM
If you start thinking a pump action maybe a 22" barrel used Remington 760 or new Remington 7600 in .308. A new one from Bud's runs about $700 but I have seen many of the older 760 guns running about $400 to $500 in very good condition. Just a matter of if the rifle will get beat up as a truck gun. I like the old Remington 760 guns myself.
November 29, 2012, 06:08 PM
Lefty and truck gun... Either a Marlin 30-30 or a Remington 7600 in any of the calibers they are offered in. The pump makes a lot of sense. Often they sell used for less than traditional levers, much less than a Savage or Browning lever, they come in more modern calibers, are much faster for repeat aimed shots. Most think of levers as lightweight rifles, but a 7600 pump with a 22" barrel is only slightly heavier and the 7600 carbines are lighter than a lever.
November 29, 2012, 07:21 PM
how about one of those marlins in 308me or 338me if you want more range than a 30/30? but for the price of one of those I'd just get a .22 and a cheap lefty bolt gun and throw them both in the truck and call my bases covered.
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