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American Standard 2403.128.021
Bone Cadet 3 Compact Elongated One-Piece Toilet with EverClean Surface and Right Height Bowl - Includes Slow-Close Seat
Item # BCI905516 | Model # 2403.128.021 | Cadet 3 Collection
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Product Features:
- Compact design allows for elongated bowl shape that fits in the space of a round-front
- Fully covered under a 5 year warranty - 5 times the industry standard
- Quick, quiet flushing - American Standard toilets are famously efficient and hushed
- Industry-leading flushing system out-performs older toilets while using less than 1/2 the water
- Tank flushing components specially engineered to withstand chemically-treated urban water
- EverClean porcelain surface is extremely easy to keep clean, including inside the bowl
- Elongated bowl shape - more comfortable than a round bowl
- One-piece toilet - seamless, easier to keep clean; lends to a more refined look
- Chair-height bowl - easier to sit and stand; appropriate for adults and the elderly
- Left mounted tank lever
- Straight-forward installation instructions are included with each toilet
- 100% factory flush tested - guaranteed to perform
- Includes slow-close toilet seat with push-button removal for easy cleaning
- Wax ring kit (for installation) is not included - when adding to cart, this inexpensive item will be presented
Cadet 3 Flushing:
- 3" flush valve – The flush starts with a flushing system that employs a 3" valve opening, allowing water to enter the bowl at a much faster rate than the industry standard 2" flush valve. Controlled by a flapper that is engineered to be chemical-resistant, the Cadet flushing valve system is highly regarded for its durability.
- 360 degree cleaning – Water entering the bowl does so in a sweeping 360-degree motion. This is designed to help completely clear the bowl, even while using less water.
- Powerful siphoning water jet – A perfectly positioned water jet captures the circular flow of water for optimal performance with minimal energy loss (water doesn't hit a flat spot and slow down). As waste and water exit, they are siphoned into the trapway for an unmatched push/pull one-two punch.
- 2-1/8" fully glazed trapway – Waste and water exit the toilet through a trapway that is fully glazed, which seals it and provides for a smooth surface that waste can in no way cling to. The 2-1/8" diameter chute, while slightly narrower than the American Standard Champion flushing system's 2-3/8" trapway, can still flush up to 150 feet of toilet paper without clogging. Not that you'll ever use that much.
Other Technologies / Benefits:
- Everclean Surface – Using the antimicrobial properties of silver (the precious metal), Everclean Surfaces inhibit the growth of bacteria, mold, and mildew. The super smooth, baked-in, mirror-like surface not only eliminates unsightly rings, but also helps repel toilet messes.
- Right Height – Right Height bowls lift the sitting-height an additional 1.5 inches off the ground for a more comfortable seated position that is easier to get in and out of. This feature is particularly well liked by men, taller women, and the elderly.
- Slow-Close Seat – Similar to the operation of a seat belt, Slow-Close seats allow users to lift and close the seat normally, with no resistance, but should the seat suddenly drop, a special mechanism "catches" it then slowly closes it. Both the seat and lid have this feature.
Product Specifications:
- Overall Height: 28-1/2" (measured from the bottom of the base to the highest point on the toilet)
- Overall Length: 28-1/2" (measured from the back of the tank to the front of the rim)
- Overall Width: 15-1/2" (measured from the furthest point on the left to the furthest on the right)
- Bowl Height: 16-1/2" (measured from the bottom of the base to the rim)
- Rough In: 12" (measured from wall behind toilet to center of waste outlet hole in floor)
- Flush Valve Size: 3" (diameter of the inlet for water entering bowl from tank)
- Trapway Size: 2-1/8" (diameter of the outlet for water/waste exiting the bowl)
- Flow Rate: 1.28 GPF (gallons-per-flush)
- Water Area: 10" X 8" (inner rim dimensions length X width)
- Water Depth (From Rim): 11"
- Tank Trip Lever Placement: Left
- 2403.128 - This model
- 2403.328 - This model without seat
- 2403.813 - This model with right-hand trip lever
About American Standard:
An American brand with over 140 years of innovations, American Standard is defined by experience, intelligence, and indelible influence. As the patriarch for nearly every key product category for the kitchen and bath, their offering shows a level of thoughtfulness and sophistication that could only be attributed to a company with a legacy as rich as that of American Standard. Today, professional plumbers and contemporary DIY home owners continue to turn to American Standard because they appreciate this legacy and know they can trust the innovations behind each product. It is for this reason that American Standard is so widely used within residential and commercial projects in both the United States and abroad - their products truly deliver, just as they have for generations.
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- Browse All American Standard Products
- American Standard Cadet 3 Collection
This American Standard item can also be referenced by the following color/finish specific model #:
- American Standard 2403.128.178*
- American Standard 2403.128.021
- American Standard 2403.128.222
- American Standard 2403.128.165*
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WASHINGTON – Searching for an apartment may be more challenging now than it's been for a while. Vacancies are down and rental rates up.
Yahoo! Finance reports the squeeze on the rental market may mean some renters are accepting a unit they might not otherwise consider.
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Former 1,500 metres record holder who is now National Sports Council (NSC) technical director Filbert Bayi has said soccer clubs in the country should set up under 14 and 17 teams as part of developing football.
Bayi said football clubs in the country are struggling to develop talents because they do not have academies to cater for talent development.
He said investing in teen soccer has been a top priority by most of the countries in the world.
Establishments of academies where talents are natured and the resultant products will be useful to replace ageing players.
Bayi said his technical committee has agreed to instruct all sports coaches in the country to take keen interest in the youth teams and build up inventory of players to replenish the senior teams.
Bayi said premier league football clubs should set up under 14 and 17 teams as part of the development program, which has to be in line with grassroots development program.
"We had a meeting recently underlined the need for all sports coaches in the country to have a good and comprehensive youth program or establish academies where talents are to be nurtured and developed," he said.
Besides soccer, Bayi hinted that the country has many good places suitable for opening athletic training centers, namely Arusha and Singida.
Bayi also took a swipe at companies that sponsor football tournaments and activities, saying they venture in for the sake of public relations and marketing strategy but not developing the game.
He said if the companies were serious in football development they would have opened academies where sports talents would have been nurtured and developed.
He said the country should take a leaf from Zambia which is reaping fruits of investing in youth football development.
He gave an example of Kenya and Ethiopia where he said athletics has flourished because of their academies and West African countries where football is fully developed basing on the same reasons.
However, he hailed Coca-Cola Company for sponsoring the Copa tournament which is at the helm of promoting football from the teen age.
The Copa youth championship has helped to develop many young football players with the bulk featuring in the premiership.
He made a call to the Coca-Cola and the Tanzania Football Federation (TFF) to think over having a joint academy where the players identified from the tournament would be kept together and trained by well versed development coaches before transferring them to top flight sides.
Bayi's sentiments are in agreement with TFF technical director Sunday Kayuni who recently rued the absence of academies and sound youth football development at club level.
Kayuni said many good players in the world are nurtured at academies and youth teams.
He said naturally national team coaches need players who were trained on all basics and skills of football and other techniques from their academies to shorten and ease training at camps.
The TFF director said many players trained at football academies have a good technical ability, attitude, good personal behavior and time respect.


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CLEVELAND -- He's officially marked down as attending every city budget hearing this year, but those who sat through the grueling meetings say Councilman Eugene Miller popped in for only one of them -- continuing his string of poor attendance to city matters.
Colleagues say that Miller, the Ward 10 councilman, routinely misses committee meetings, including those in February where council members had a chance to grill top administration officials about Mayor Frank Jackson's proposed $1.3 billion budget.
City council records show Miller attended all seven budget hearings in Februrary. That news surprised veteran councilman Mike Polensek, who said he was at all seven meetings, but only saw Miller once.
When asked if Polensek disagrees with the records, he said "you've asked me a question. Did I see Councilman Miller at the hearings each day? And I said he was there once."
Miller dodged questions from channel 3 news Investigator Tom Meyer twice following committee meetings. But Meyer caught up with the councilman in the city hall parking garage. First, Miller said he attended the majority of budget hearings. Meyer said records show he attended all seven. "I must have attended all of them then," Miller said.
Councilman Kevin Kelley, who had the best attendance record in council, said "there's no magic number in terms of how much time they(council members) need to spend at a meeting" to be counted as having attended.
One colleague says it seems Miller, who is a physical fitness buff who sponsors the Ward 10 Runners & Walkers Club, has other priorities.
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"Eugene Miller would take a bullet for Marty ... and Marty is going to try to protect him."
Council records show that Miller ranked among the worst in actually showing up for committee meetings, a Channel 3 News investigation found.
Miller missed 22 percent of the committee meetings last year, putting him just ahead of Councilmen Joe Cimperman and Ken Johnson, who both missed 26 percent of the meetings held in 2012.
Johnson said he misses meetings because he's busier than any councilman in Cleveland. "I really have no further comment," said Johnson.
Councilwoman Phyllis Cleveland has the 4th worst attendance record, having missed 21 per cent of the meetings in 2012. "I have a very challenging ward," she explained.
Cimperman said he spent considerable time last year taking care of his newborn child and some medical issues.
Unlike Cimperman, however, Miller tallied five unexcused absences -- the most of any councilman, records show.
Miller did have a notable appearance this year, when he backed legislation that allowed Johnson to retire and then get rehired to his old seat. The vote allows Johnson to collect his retirement check as well as his regular paycheck.
One council member said that Miller's attendance figures are "inflated" because he routinely pops into committee meetings for "a whole five to ten minutes."
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The embattled Miller, 38, is also busy putting out other fires, including a drunken driving arrest on the Shoreway in the early morning hours of Nov. 25.
Miller apologized to his council colleagues, saying he was watching football with some friends and drank one too many vodka cranberries.
But he is still awaiting trial next month by a visiting judge in Cleveland Municipal Court.
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The Power of Independent Thinking
How Did We Get into the Pension Mess? An Interview with Sr. Fellow Lawrence McQuillan
Recorded: Thursday, June 4, 2015
Senior Fellow Lawrence McQuillan, author of "California Dreaming" appears on KVSF radio in Santa Fe, New Mexico. McQuillan explains how cities and states in the US are in danger of bankruptcies due to underfunding public pension funds. A reduction in services is the result in communities across the country because money is being devoured by pension systems, according to McQuillan.
Experts: Lawrence J. McQuillanType: RadioIssues: Economic History and Development (U.S.), Labor and Employment, Taxes
The Public Pension Crisis Across the United States An Interview with Sr. Fellow Lawrence McQuillan
Recorded: Tuesday, June 2, 2015
Sr. Fellow Lawrence McQuillan, author of California Dreaming appears on KLZ radio in Denver, CO. Lawrence talks about the public-pension crisis and how states and cities can change their pension contributions to avoid bankruptcy while honoring commitments to employees.
Experts: Lawrence J. McQuillanType: RadioIssues: Economic History and Development (U.S.), History (U.S), Labor and Employment, Taxes
Thomas DiLorenzo on Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War Economy
Recorded: Friday, April 17, 2015
Research Fellow Thomas DiLorenzo appeared on the Kate Dalley radio show on KZNU in Utah to discuss the 16th U.S. President and the economy at the time.
Experts: Thomas J. DiLorenzoType: RadioIssues: Economic History and Development (U.S.), History (U.S), Terrorism and National Crises
Peter Thiel | Developing the Developed World
Entrepreneurship, Liberty, and the Future
Recorded: Tuesday, January 27, 2015
Entrepreneur and Author Peter A. Thiel spoke at a luncheon sponsored by the Independent Institute on January 27, 2015. He shared insights from his new book Zero to One on how to create true innovations in the world of atomsnot just digits and bitsand how to foster a peaceful, prosperous and freer future marked by globalization in a world of limited resources.
Experts: Peter A. ThielType: Independent Institute EventIssues: Antitrust, Competition, and Monopoly, Bureaucracy and Government, Business, Civil Liberties/ Human Rights, Corporate Welfare, Culture/ Society, Economic History and Development (U.S.), Economic Policy, Education, Energy, Free Market Economics, Freedom, Government Power, Government Secrecy, Health Care, History (U.S), Labor and Employment, Law Enforcement, Political Ideology and Philosophy, Politics, Privacy, Public Health/ Consumer Protection, Regulation and Deregulation, Science, Technology, Transportation
A Century of Economic Folly
Recorded: Saturday, November 15, 2014
Research Fellow Burton A. Abrams appears on the "Freedom & Prosperity Radio" show with host Joe Thomas. Abrams talks about his book The Terrible 10: A Century of Economic Folly which contains ten of the U.S. federal government's biggest economic mistakes and the fallout of those mistakes.
Experts: Burton A. AbramsType: RadioIssues: Bureaucracy and Government, Economic History and Development (U.S.), Fiscal Policy/Debt, Government Power, Government Waste/Pork, History (U.S)
Ivan Eland: Is Obama the Worst President Ever?
Recorded: Tuesday, November 4, 2014
Sr. Fellow Ivan Eland, author of the newly updated book Recarving Rushmore which ranks all of the U.S. Presidents in terms of peace, prosperity and liberty, talks about President Barack Obama and his ranking. Obama ranks near the bottom, but it was an early 20th century president that takes the title of "Worst President" in terms of peace, prosperity and liberty. Eland spoke with Kerry Lutz of the Financial Survival Network.
Experts: Ivan ElandType: RadioIssues: Constitutional Law, Economic History and Development (U.S.), Government Power, History (U.S), Political Ideology and Philosophy, Politics
Robert Higgs Discusses Effects of WWI on the Tom Woods Show
Recorded: Wednesday, July 30, 2014
Sr. Fellow Robert Higgs appeared on the Tom Woods radio show. Higgs discusses the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of World War I and its devastating effects on people and government.
Experts: Robert HiggsType: RadioIssues: Defense and Foreign Policy, Economic History and Development (International), Economic History and Development (U.S.), Economic Policy, Free Market Economics, History (International), History (U.S), Political Ideology and Philosophy
William J. Watkins, Jr. on Patent Trolls
Recorded: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Research Fellow William J. Watkins, Jr. appeared on XMSatellite radios Innovation Navigation show to talk about his new book Patent Trolls: Predatory Litigation and the Smothering of Innovation. The cost of patent trolls is staggering, both in terms of lost work and in court costs and attorney fees. The outmoded patent system in the US is discussed, including proposals for reforming the patent system.
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38 U.S. Code § 1729 - Recovery by the United States of the cost of certain care and services
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(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, in any case in which a veteran is furnished care or services under this chapter for a non-service-connected disability described in paragraph (2) of this subsection, the United States has the right to recover or collect reasonable charges for such care or services (as determined by the Secretary) from a third party to the extent that the veteran (or the provider of the care or services) would be eligible to receive payment for such care or services from such third party if the care or services had not been furnished by a department or agency of the United States.
(2) Paragraph (1) of this subsection applies to a non-service-connected disability—
(A) that is incurred incident to the veteran's employment and that is covered under a workers' compensation law or plan that provides for payment for the cost of health care and services provided to the veteran by reason of the disability;
(B) that is incurred as the result of a motor vehicle accident to which applies a State law that requires the owners or operators of motor vehicles registered in that State to have in force automobile accident reparations insurance;
(C) that is incurred as the result of a crime of personal violence that occurred in a State, or a political subdivision of a State, in which a person injured as the result of such a crime is entitled to receive health care and services at such State's or subdivision's expense for personal injuries suffered as the result of such crime;
(D) that is incurred by a veteran—
(3) In the case of a health-plan contract that contains a requirement for payment of a deductible or copayment by the veteran—
(A) the veteran's not having paid such deductible or copayment with respect to care or services furnished under this chapter shall not preclude recovery or collection under this section; and
(1) As to the right provided in subsection (a) of this section, the United States shall be subrogated to any right or claim that the veteran (or the veteran's personal representative, successor, dependents, or survivors) may have against a third party.
(A) In order to enforce any right or claim to which the United States is subrogated under paragraph (1) of this subsection, the United States may intervene or join in any action or proceeding brought by the veteran (or the veteran's personal representative, successor, dependents, or survivors) against a third party.
(B) The United States may institute and prosecute legal proceedings against the third party if—
(i) an action or proceeding described in subparagraph (A) of this paragraph is not begun within 180 days after the first day on which care or services for which recovery is sought are furnished to the veteran by the Secretary under this chapter;
(ii) the United States has sent written notice by certified mail to the veteran at the veteran's last-known address (or to the veteran's personal representative or successor) of the intention of the United States to institute such legal proceedings; and
(1) The Secretary may compromise, settle, or waive any claim which the United States has under this section.
(A) The Secretary, after consultation with the Comptroller General of the United States, shall prescribe regulations for the purpose of determining reasonable charges for care or services under subsection (a)(1) of this section. Any determination of such charges shall be made in accordance with such regulations.
(B) Such regulations shall provide that reasonable charges for care or services sought to be recovered or collected from a third-party liable under a health-plan contract may not exceed the amount that such third party demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Secretary it would pay for the care or services if provided by facilities (other than facilities of departments or agencies of the United States) in the same geographic area.
(C) Not later than 45 days after the date on which the Secretary prescribes such regulations (or any amendment to such regulations), the Comptroller General shall submit to the Committees on Veterans' Affairs of the Senate and the House of Representatives the Comptroller General's comments on and recommendations regarding such regulations (or amendment).
(d) Any contract or agreement into which the Secretary enters with a person under section 3718 of title 31 for collection services to recover indebtedness owed the United States under this section shall provide, with respect to such services, that such person is subject to sections 5701 and 7332 of this title.
(e) A veteran eligible for care or services under this chapter—
(f) No law of any State or of any political subdivision of a State, and no provision of any contract or other agreement, shall operate to prevent recovery or collection by the United States under this section or with respect to care or services furnished under section 1784 of this title.
[(g) Repealed. Pub. L. 105–33, title VIII, § 8023(b)(4),Aug. 5, 1997, 111 Stat. 667.]
(1) Subject to paragraph (3) of this subsection, the Secretary shall make available medical records of a veteran described in paragraph (2) of this subsection for inspection and review by representatives of the third party concerned for the sole purposes of permitting the third party to verify—
(A) that the care or services for which recovery or collection is sought were furnished to the veteran; and
(2) A veteran described in this paragraph is a veteran who is a beneficiary of a health-plan contract under which recovery or collection is sought under this section from the third party concerned for the cost of the care or services furnished to the veteran.
(i) For purposes of this section—
(A) The term "health-plan contract" means an insurance policy or contract, medical or hospital service agreement, membership or subscription contract, or similar arrangement, under which health services for individuals are provided or the expenses of such services are paid.
(B) Such term does not include—
(i) an insurance program described in section 1811 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395c) or established by section 1831 of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395j);
(ii) a State plan for medical assistance approved under title XIX of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1396 et seq.);
(iii) a workers' compensation law or plan described in subparagraph (A) of subsection (a)(2) of this section; or
(3) The term "third party" means—
Source(Added Pub. L. 97–72, title I, § 106(a)(1),Nov. 3, 1981, 95 Stat. 1050, § 629; amended Pub. L. 99–272, title XIX, § 19013(a),Apr. 7, 1986, 100 Stat. 382; Pub. L. 100–322, title II, § 202,May 20, 1988, 102 Stat. 509; Pub. L. 101–508, title VIII, § 8011(a)–(c), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1388–344; Pub. L. 102–40, title IV, § 402(d)(1),May 7, 1991, 105 Stat. 239; renumbered § 1729 and amended Pub. L. 102–83, §§ 4(b)(1), (2)(E), 5(a), (c)(1),Aug. 6, 1991, 105 Stat. 404–406; Pub. L. 102–568, title VI, § 604,Oct. 29, 1992, 106 Stat. 4343; Pub. L. 103–66, title XII, § 12003,Aug. 10, 1993, 107 Stat. 414; Pub. L. 104–262, title I, § 101(d)(10),Oct. 9, 1996, 110 Stat. 3180; Pub. L. 105–33, title VIII, §§ 8022, 8023(b)(4), (d),Aug. 5, 1997, 111 Stat. 665, 667; Pub. L. 107–135, title II, §§ 208(e)(4), 209(b),Jan. 23, 2002, 115 Stat. 2463, 2464; Pub. L. 110–161, div. I, title II, § 232,Dec. 26, 2007, 121 Stat. 2273; Pub. L. 110–329, div. E, title II, § 225,Sept. 30, 2008, 122 Stat. 3713; Pub. L. 110–387, title VIII, § 804(b),Oct. 10, 2008, 122 Stat. 4141; Pub. L. 111–163, title V, § 518,May 5, 2010, 124 Stat. 1167; Pub. L. 112–154, title I, § 113,Aug. 6, 2012, 126 Stat. 1176; Pub. L. 113–37, § 2(d),Sept. 30, 2013, 127 Stat. 524; Pub. L. 113–175, title I, § 108,Sept. 26, 2014, 128 Stat. 1903.)
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The Social Security Act, referred to in subsec. (i)(1)(B)(ii), is act Aug. 14, 1935, ch. 531, 49 Stat. 620. Title XIX of the Social Security Act is classified generally to subchapter XIX (§ 1396 et seq.) of chapter 7 of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see section 1305 of Title 42 and Tables.
2014—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 113–175substituted "October 1, 2015" for "October 1, 2014".
2013—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 113–37substituted "October 1, 2014" for "October 1, 2013".
2012—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 112–154substituted "October 1, 2013" for "October 1, 2012".
2010—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 111–163amended subpar. (E) generally. Prior to amendment, subpar. (E) read as follows: "for which care and services are furnished before October 1, 2010, under this chapter to a veteran who—
"(i) has a service-connected disability; and
"(ii) is entitled to care (or payment of the expenses of care) under a health-plan contract."
2008—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 110–387, which directed substitution of "October 1, 2010" for "October 1, 2008", was executed by making the substitution for "October 1, 2009" in introductory provisions to reflect the probable intent of Congress and the amendment by Pub. L. 110–329. See below.
Pub. L. 110–329substituted "October 1, 2009," for "October 1, 2008," in introductory provisions.
2007—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 110–161substituted "October 1, 2008" for "October 1, 2007".
2002—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 107–135, § 209(b), substituted "October 1, 2007" for "October 1, 2002".
Subsec. (f). Pub. L. 107–135, § 208(e)(4), substituted "section 1784" for "section 1711 (b)".
1997—Subsec. (a)(1). Pub. L. 105–33, § 8023(d)(1), substituted "reasonable charges for" for "the reasonable cost of".
Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 105–33, § 8022, substituted "October 1, 2002" for "October 1, 1998".
Subsec. (c)(2)(A). Pub. L. 105–33, § 8023(d)(2), substituted "reasonable charges for" for "the reasonable cost of" and "such charges" for "such cost".
Subsec. (c)(2)(B). Pub. L. 105–33, § 8023(d)(2)(A), substituted "reasonable charges for" for "the reasonable cost of".
Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 105–33, § 8023(b)(4), struck out subsec. (g) which established in the Treasury a fund known as the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical-Care Cost Recovery Fund and provided for deposits to and payments from the Fund.
1996—Subsec. (g)(3)(A). Pub. L. 104–262substituted "under subsection (f) or (g) ofsection 1710 of this title for hospital care, medical services, or nursing home care" for "under section 1710 (f) of this title for hospital care or nursing home care, under section 1712 (f) of this title for medical services,".
1993—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 103–66substituted "October 1, 1998" for "August 1, 1994".
1992—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 102–568substituted "August 1, 1994" for "October 1, 1993".
1991—Pub. L. 102–83, § 5(a), renumbered section 629 of this title as this section.
Subsecs. (a) to (c). Pub. L. 102–83, § 4(b)(1), (2)(E), substituted "Secretary" for "Administrator" wherever appearing.
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 102–83, § 4(b)(1), (2)(E), substituted "Secretary" for "Administrator".
Pub. L. 102–40substituted "5701" for "3301" and "7332" for "4132".
Subsec. (f). Pub. L. 102–83, § 5(c)(1), substituted "1711(b)" for "611(b)".
Subsec. (g)(3)(A). Pub. L. 102–83, § 5(c)(1), substituted "1710(f)" for "610(f)", "1712(f)" for "612(f)", and "1722A" for "622A" in introductory provisions.
Subsec. (h)(1), (3). Pub. L. 102–83, § 4(b)(1), (2)(E), substituted "Secretary" for "Administrator".
1990—Subsec. (a)(2)(E). Pub. L. 101–508, § 8011(a), added subpar. (E).
Subsec. (c)(2)(B). Pub. L. 101–508, § 8011(b), substituted "if provided by" for "in accordance with the prevailing rates at which the third party makes payments under comparable health-plan contracts with".
Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 101–508, § 8011(c), amended subsec. (g) generally. Prior to amendment, subsec. (g) read as follows: "Amounts collected or recovered on behalf of the United States under this section shall be deposited into the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts."
1988—Subsec. (b)(2)(C). Pub. L. 100–322added subpar. (C).
1986—Pub. L. 99–272amended section generally, inserting authority to recover from a third party under a health-plan contract the reasonable costs of a non-service-connected disability, to require the Administrator to prescribe regulations to govern determination of reasonable costs, to authorize the compromise, settlement or waiver of claims, and to provide for the deposit of money collected under this section in the Treasury.
Effective Date of 2013 Amendment
Amendment by Pub. L. 113–37effective Oct. 1, 2013, see section 4(a) ofPub. L. 113–37, set out as a note under section 322 of this title.
Effective Date of 1997 Amendment
Amendment by section 8023(b)(4) ofPub. L. 105–33effective Oct. 1, 1997, and amendment by section 8023(d) ofPub. L. 105–33effective Aug. 5, 1997, see section 8023(g) ofPub. L. 105–33, set out as a note under section 1710 of this title.
Effective Date of 1990 Amendment
Pub. L. 101–508, title VIII, § 8011(e),Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1388–345, provided that: "The amendments made by this section [amending this section] shall take effect as of October 1, 1990."
Effective Date of 1986 Amendment
Pub. L. 99–272, title XIX, § 19013(b),Apr. 7, 1986, 100 Stat. 385, provided that:
"(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), section 629 [now 1729] of title 38, United States Code, as amended by subsection (a), shall apply to care and services provided on or after the date of the enactment of this Act [Apr. 7, 1986].
"(2)(A) Such section shall not apply so as to nullify any provision of a health-plan contract (as defined in subsection (i) of such section) that—
"(i) was entered into before the date of the enactment of this Act; and
"(ii) is not modified or renewed on or after such date.
"(B) In the case of a health-plan contract (as so defined) that was entered into before such date and which is modified or renewed on or after such date, the amendment made by subsection (a) [amending this section] shall apply—
"(i) with respect to such plan as of the day after the date that it is so modified or renewed; and
"(ii) with respect to care and services provided after such date of modification or renewal.
"(3) For purposes of paragraph (2), the term 'modified' includes any change in premium or coverage."
Effective Date
Pub. L. 97–72, title I, § 106(b),Nov. 3, 1981, 95 Stat. 1051, provided that: "Section 629 [now 1729] of title 38, United States Code, as added by subsection (a), shall apply with respect to care and services furnished under chapter 17 of title 38, United States Code, on or after the date of the enactment of this Act [Nov. 3, 1981]."
Healthcare Facilities Certified as Medicare and Medicaid Providers for Collection Purposes
Pub. L. 107–206, title I, Aug. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 888, provided in part: "That for the purposes of enabling the collection from third-party insurance carriers for non-service related medical care of veterans, all Department of Veterans Affairs healthcare facilities are hereby certified as Medicare and Medicaid providers and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services within the Department of Health and Human Services shall issue each Department of Veterans Affairs healthcare facility a provider number as soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act [Aug. 2, 2002]: Provided further, That nothing in the preceding proviso shall be construed to enable the Department of Veterans Affairs to bill Medicare or Medicaid for any medical services provided by the Veterans Health Administration or to require the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to pay for any medical services provided by the Department of Veterans Affairs".
Disposition of Funds in and Termination of Department of Veterans Affairs Medical-Care Cost Recovery Fund
Pub. L. 105–33, title VIII, § 8023(c),Aug. 5, 1997, 111 Stat. 667, provided that: "The amount of the unobligated balance remaining in the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical-Care Cost Recovery Fund (established pursuant to section 1729 (g)(1) of title 38, United States Code) at the close of June 30, 1997, shall be deposited, not later than December 31, 1997, in the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts, and the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical-Care Cost Recovery Fund shall be terminated when the deposit is made."
Transfers to Medical-Care Cost Recovery Fund
Pub. L. 101–508, title VIII, § 8011(d),Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1388–345, as amended by Pub. L. 102–83, § 5(c)(2),Aug. 6, 1991, 105 Stat. 406, provided that the Secretary of the Treasury was to transfer $25,000,000 from the Department of Veterans Affairs Loan Guaranty Revolving Fund to the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical-Care Cost Recovery Fund and that the amount so transferred was to be available until the end of Sept. 30, 1991, for the support of the equivalent of 800 full-time employees and other expenses described in former subsec. (g)(3) of this section, and provided that the first $25,000,000 recovered or collected by the Department of Veterans Affairs during fiscal year 1991 as a result of third-party medical recovery activities was to be credited to the Department of Veterans Affairs Loan Guaranty Revolving Fund.
Reports on Implementation of 1986 Amendment
Pub. L. 99–272, title XIX, § 19013(c),Apr. 7, 1986, 100 Stat. 385, directed Administrator of Veterans' Affairs, not later than six months after Apr. 7, 1986, to submit to Committees on Veterans' Affairs of Senate and House of Representatives a report on the process for and results of implementation of this section, as amended by subsection (a), such report to show costs of administration (and a detailed breakdown of such costs) and the amount of receipts and collections under this section, and not later than Feb. 1, 1988, to submit to such Committees a report updating the information in the report previously submitted and providing information on the process and results of such implementation through at least the end of fiscal year 1987.
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BETHESDA, Md. (WUSA9) - Since Friday's storm, officials with the Maryland Attorney General's Office say they've received four complaints of unfair pricing at hotel and gas stations.
"We ask anyone who see that to file a complaint with the
consumer protection division," said spokesman David Paulson. "The standard for taking legal action is very high because we
do not have a specific price gouging law on the books."
Although, unlike the District and Virginia, there is no law specifically outlawing unfair disaster pricing in Maryland, officials say they will investigate businesses accused of taking advantage of storm victims.
Montgomery County Consumer Protection agents spent Monday going door-to-door warning residents affected by the storm about scams that haven't been reported yet.
"Was this somebody that knocked on your door, I'm guessing," Montgomery County's Eric Friedman asked a resident about an incident he'd had with a contractor. "That's the classic sign, they come by and knock on your door, claim to have material left over."
Bethesda resident Drew Genova said he fell victim to a contractor scam a few years ago.
"He didn't even do half the work," Genova said. "He said he had to go out to get some supplies, get something to eat."
Friedman said that is common practice in an age old scam.
"Never came back," said Genova. "He had the cash."
"If a contractor knocks on your door, that's not how you want to select a contractor," Friedman said. "Out of state license plates. They'll have trucks with nothing on them. "
A homeowner in Kensington said no sooner had a tree come down on her roof, smashing it into her home, contractors started dropping cards at her home.
Friedman said swindlers are more likely to pick smaller jobs that aren't covered by insurance.
"But, when they see this, they follow the path of the storm," Friedman said.
He advises using local crews working out of marked vehicles.
In Maryland, he says look for a state licensing number on the side of the contractor's truck. In other jurisdictions, he advises calling the licensing authorities to ensure they're registered.
If you've been victimized by a business or someone else taking advantage of the storm damage, e-mail Russ Ptacek at WUSA9.
You can also tweet Twitter.com/russptacek or message Facebook.com/russptacek.
Below are resources for you to report ripoffs to state and District authorities.
-Virginia Office of Attorney General
-District of Columbia Attorney General
(202) 442-9828
-Maryland Office of Attorney General
(410) 528-8662


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How come the Borg look different in TNG and Voyager? - Tim, 24 June, 2007 http://gmms.lafourche.k12.la.us/Rousse/sttng168.gif
We have a list of a few species that were members of the 'The New Cooperative', a few of which are built from reference, ie; the Farn and the Parein. And we have a section of Borg that makes a "List of Species seen as Borg Drones". We also have a page for Borg species designations. I propose we better organize this, perhaps a page or Borg article section with all species known to have been assimilated, built out of both sightings and references and there we place a link to Borg species designations as well. Jaf 05:21, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)Jaf
- Borg species might be a good name for this. Jaf 18:25, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)Jaf
"The Borg have no culture. Their sole purpose is the assimilation of other beings. To them, art, music, leisure, all are irrelevant."
I love this sentence. Very dramatic! -- Redge 12:15, 28 Jun 2004 (CEST)
This is a perfect sentence.– Enterprise E 23:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Battle of Sector 001 link
We really have to make up a name for the battle in Star Trek: First Contact, because a lot of articles link, or should link to it. I have titled the link "Battle of Sector 001". Does that sound about right? -- Redge 16:52, 26 Jun 2004 (CEST)
- I see I wasn't the first to create a link to that page. Never mind what I said. Who would like to make a first pass at creating the page? -- Redge 16:57, 26 Jun 2004 (CEST)
Battle of Sector 001 sounds good. It is interesting that it was never stated in the episodes of DS9 following the borg attack. It was stated in Inferon Light as "the latest borg threat".– Enterprise E 13:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Just as a note, this is a 2 year old conversation that has already been resolved. ;) - Adm. Enzo Aquarius...I'm listening 14:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we have the Borg's symbol. Isn't it a large red hand?
- I'll implement it rightaway, however not here, but on Borg Collective --BlueMars 22:38, Jun 30, 2004 (CEST)
In line with the image policy of three images per page, why don't we move the Borg Queen's picture to the Borg Queen's page. Two birds and all that...
I don't know what your policies are with regard to images. But if the Borg have a symbol, I think it should be in this article. I definitely think a cube ship image should be included; the Borg cube is among the most recognized symbols by normal Trek fans (as opposed to Trekkies). I also think, instead of having two unremarkable, closeup headshots of Borg soldiers, you should instead feature a full-body image of a Bord, to show the cybernetics and such. Just my two cents...
Borg in Delta Quadrant
Under the "The Borg in the Delta Quadrant" heading, it says "Insert text here.". Shouldn't that entire section be edited out until it's writen? I sort disrupts the continuity of the page. --Mutt 10:20, Jul 17, 2004 (CEST)
When the Borg introduce themselves to new species, they say "Existence as you know it is over", not "Lower your shields and surrender your ships"; that is from First Contact. This was stated on the alien culture page on startrek.com before they reformatted the site.-B-101
If you can find a canon reference for this, it'll be okay, but if this was only mentioned on startrek.com, the phrase used in First Contact would be better. I doubt this line was used in the series as it sounds very melodramatic. -- Redge | Talk 23:01, 20 Aug 2004 (CEST)
Okay, in the original TNG episode they used the melodramatic phrase. However, in ST:FC they used "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. Your biological and technological distinctivness will be added to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." In some form of another they've used similar wording along VOY. It is possible that the Borg adapt their catchphrase to the situation (for example: Voyager is ship, not ships)
In ST:FC it actually was "We are the borg. Lower you shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctivness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." Scorpien part 2 was the episode where the borg sayed (SHIPS) when voyager is one ship. – Enterprise E 13:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Origins - Canon?
Although the updated origins section is interesting, I don't believe it's canon (as defined by Memory Alpha policy). If so, please add refs.LordJuss 13:08, 26 Nov 2004 (CET)
- It's not, and I'm sure we already removed that story before. As such, Ireverted that edit - Datalore, please don't add non-canon information. Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 13:25, 26 Nov 2004 (CET)
- I thought that it changed from episode to episode, depending on writer's needs (which is exactly why the Borg name never showed up in "Regeneration"). --18.104.22.168 18:01, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)Lenonn
Borg Flash site
What is the use of this? (see history) A Featured Article shoudn't be the place to have advertisements for private homepages. IF this flash-site is worth adding, there should be a paragraph like "external links", or am I wrong? -- Florian K 16:34, 17 Jan 2005 (CET)
Borg logo
I'm pretty sure that the Borg logo was seen prior to "Descent, Part I" in "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II" as a label on the side of one of the bulkheads on the Borg ship... anyway, the emblem had to have existed prior to 1993 in order for it to be included with the Borg action figure in 1992. ;) -- SmokeDetector47 17:06, 2005 Jan 19 (CET)
- Yes, that's what I had in mind as well - if I remember correctly, you can see it in the scene where Locutus is watching the "antimatter firework". Someone should check the tape/DVD - I don't have that episode available at the moment. -- Cid Highwind 18:50, 2005 Jan 19 (CET)
- Well, to be fair it could have existed first as a graphic -- remember these things are created by the studio for marketing purposes also. Gene Roddenberry's Lincoln Enterprises created the Vulcan IDIC symbol before TOS Season 3, and then as an afterthought, found an episode to include it in, as a Vulcan symbol. The same could have been true of the Borg symbol -- created by the show's art department, and then shoehorned into the later episode -- if there are no canon contexts of the symbol being used for "real" Borg, the we would have to assume this symbol only applies to the "free Borg" of Hugh/Lore's camp -- this would make more sense anyway. -- Captain Mike K. Bartel 23:38, 19 Jan 2005 (CET)
- I took a look at Part I and Part II, and you can see the emblem in the background on various pieces of the ship. Unfortunately, it's not very clear since the lighting isn't that great, but there are clear set pictures in TNG: The Continuing Mission on page 118. -- SmokeDetector47 02:09, 2005 Jan 21 (CET)
- Just for reference, the best glimpses occur at 32:37 and 32:52 in BOBWI, Oddly enough, sometimes the logo is shown sideways, with the points of the "claw" facing the right.
- Well, to be fair it could have existed first as a graphic -- remember these things are created by the studio for marketing purposes also. Gene Roddenberry's Lincoln Enterprises created the Vulcan IDIC symbol before TOS Season 3, and then as an afterthought, found an episode to include it in, as a Vulcan symbol. The same could have been true of the Borg symbol -- created by the show's art department, and then shoehorned into the later episode -- if there are no canon contexts of the symbol being used for "real" Borg, the we would have to assume this symbol only applies to the "free Borg" of Hugh/Lore's camp -- this would make more sense anyway. -- Captain Mike K. Bartel 23:38, 19 Jan 2005 (CET)
- Then again, that ship was manned by the rogue Borg led by Lore and not the 'real' Borg. The only thing you know is that previously Hugh return to his ship and chaos broke out. There is no telling that the emblems were already in place, even that this was actually Hughs ship. As far as I am concerned the emblem is that of the rogue Borg and not the real Borg. The only emblems I've seen on a Borg vessel/construct were on the Borg Queen chamber doors. -- Q 20:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- --- Actually, it is a symbol used by the Collective, if not perhaps the official logo. I didn't buy it either because I'd never seen it displayed prominently after hearing it was in BOBW, so I went to my recording of that episode and went slow motion through each scene taking place on board the cube in BOBW1 and found that it is visible once in a bulkhead when Picard is being brought to the hangar to speak with the Collective, it's also much more unambiguously and much more numerously visible when Shelby, Riker, Data, and Crusher go to rescue Picard and bring the cube out of warp. It can be seen numerous times during the destruction of the distribution nodes and when the drones are emerging from their alcoves it can be seen printed on various surfaces. Have not checked BOBW2, but can say with absolute certainty that it is there in BOBW1 if you look for it. Proof positive it was at least utilised for some unknown reason by the Collective.
- -edit: watched Q Who today for the first time in years: the Borg emblem is present in this episode as well. It can be seen in only one location, though it is placed very prominently when one knows to look for it. Moments before entering the Borg nursery (the place full of maturation chambers), when they pass by the last alcove, it can be clearly seen printed across the edge of the alcove; the camera pans right over it such that it fills a significant per centage of the screen for a moment. However, like the instances of BOBW, it is dark printed upon dark, and is easy to ignore on a first viewing. ---
- Yep, it's seen in "Q Who" for the first time, just like Borg writing, red on a black background. Two adjoining Borg logos can be seen in the nursery scene, as was mentioned before, though they are oriented vertically. They can be seen when the away team enters the nursery and also very clear when Data scans the bulkhead with a tricorder and realizes that the ship is regenerating. The logo was then seen in "The Best of Both Worlds" and "Part II", sometimes oriented horizontally. It was not seen in "I, Borg" and turned up again in "Descent, Part I" and Part II", turned upside down for all appearances in these two episodes, maybe a characteristic of the renegade Borg. It was also seen on large banners in these two episodes, coloured white, red and black. After that appearance, the logo never appeared on board of a Borg vessel again, not in Star Trek: First Contact and also not in any Borg-related VOY episode. It was just seen one more time, as a tiny Borg logo on a viewscreen aboard Voyager's sickbay in "Unimatrix Zero". --Jörg 15:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Is this emblem upside down? In Descent the banners in the Borg building show it the other way up.
- Yep, it's seen in "Q Who" for the first time, just like Borg writing, red on a black background. Two adjoining Borg logos can be seen in the nursery scene, as was mentioned before, though they are oriented vertically. They can be seen when the away team enters the nursery and also very clear when Data scans the bulkhead with a tricorder and realizes that the ship is regenerating. The logo was then seen in "The Best of Both Worlds" and "Part II", sometimes oriented horizontally. It was not seen in "I, Borg" and turned up again in "Descent, Part I" and Part II", turned upside down for all appearances in these two episodes, maybe a characteristic of the renegade Borg. It was also seen on large banners in these two episodes, coloured white, red and black. After that appearance, the logo never appeared on board of a Borg vessel again, not in Star Trek: First Contact and also not in any Borg-related VOY episode. It was just seen one more time, as a tiny Borg logo on a viewscreen aboard Voyager's sickbay in "Unimatrix Zero". --Jörg 15:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- -edit: watched Q Who today for the first time in years: the Borg emblem is present in this episode as well. It can be seen in only one location, though it is placed very prominently when one knows to look for it. Moments before entering the Borg nursery (the place full of maturation chambers), when they pass by the last alcove, it can be clearly seen printed across the edge of the alcove; the camera pans right over it such that it fills a significant per centage of the screen for a moment. However, like the instances of BOBW, it is dark printed upon dark, and is easy to ignore on a first viewing. ---
Borg Origins
Should we add this paragraph to the section dealing with Origins?
- It has been suggested in William Shatner's novel The Return that the Borg originated from the melding of Commander Willard Decker and the V'Ger in the form of Ilia. Shatner suggests that, when the two disappeared into a trans-temporal conduit, they were returned the homeworld of V'Ger over 1,000 years ago in the past. There is, however, no canon evidence to support this claim.
Ottens 20:31, 28 Jan 2005 (CET)
Might save us the trouble of having to correct for people who add it in every other week. I suggest sticking it in there, keep it indented, italicized, and clearly non-canon. Tyrant 20:34, 28 Jan 2005 (CET)Tytant
- Most certainly not, since Shatner does not say this at all. All the book does is link V'Ger with the Borg - the black hole that Voyager VI falls into is a transwarp conduit, and the machine planet was the Borg homeworld. There is no mention made of a temporal shift or that the ascended Decker-V'Ger being founded the Borg, that is all fan speculation - so the paragraph is incorrect. -- Michael Warren | Talk 20:42, Jan 28, 2005 (CET)
- Then it shouldn't be included indeed. Ottens 20:44, 28 Jan 2005 (CET)
Perhaps what the book does say, whatever that might be, could be added as suggested? I don't really have a position on this one way of the other at this point, heh, however, it seems the logical conclution to this line of reasoning. Tyrant 20:46, 28 Jan 2005 (CET)Tyrant
It is possible that the Borg are originated in many ways: the Borg are created by the first species which would later had been assimilated, the Borg are created by the extragalactic Combine in purpose of assimilation, or from the Unicomplex itself? Bryansee 20:50, 26 Aug 2005 Bryansee
Hello, all--the Borg logo was actually first seen in "Q Who" while they are in the maturation room after seeing the babies.
Spruced Up
Yeah. I added the Oscar Wilde-ism and the Photo to brighten this dank article up. --Bentbrain 08:37, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Federation knowledge about the Borg
I have a problem with the following -
- Thus the Borg incursions continued without the Federation's knowledge. The largest of these incursions occurred in 2364 when the Borg wiped out a series of Romulan and Federation outposts in Sector 30 and Sector 31 on the borders of the Romulan Neutral Zone. (TNG: "The Neutral Zone")
I don't have the episode itself but I checked the script and found no reference to the Borg whatsoever. Can someone check this by watching the episode ? (I don't remember it ever being said in the episode that the Borg were responsable) -- Q 18:42, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I also read the script not too long ago and no mention (or real hint) of the Borg is given. I seem to recall a number of years ago when I still had a working copy of the Encyclopaedia (98 ver.) though, that the Borg were credited with these attacks, despite the fact that it wasn't known at the time. Presumably this is revealed in a later episode (Perhaps BOBW-I), but I'm afraid I don't recall that, so either the Borg are said onscreen to have been responsible for it or this was just one of numerous extrapolations by the Okudas shown in the Ency, perhaps because these devastating attacks were never attributed to anyone else we heard of during TNG. If it's the former then it warrants inclusion, and if it's the latter it may just have developed into a mass fan assumption, similar to semi-canon data shown in Technical manuals. - Hayter 23:43, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, although it is not stated that the attacks were the work of the Borg in "The Neutral Zone", there is a line in "Q Who" saying that the pattern of the attacks is identical to the remains of the a civilization attacked in Borg space. TNG lover
- You're right. I already changed this in the Borg history article. -- Q 13:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Real-world development of the idea of the Borg
- The episode The Best of Both Worlds (TNG episode) is in two episodes, and there is an end-of-seasons border between them. In the first part, the Borg multiply by cloning themselves, not by assimilating other races, and the implants are implanted by surgery; they raid planets and take their technology. But they capture Picard and as a one-off they put Borg-type implants in him, to control him; but his flesh anatomy remains human. But seeing him with the implants causes an Enterprise crewman to say "They've turned him into a Borg".
- During the gap between seasons, it is likely that a script writer remembered this remark and developed it into the idea of biological assimilation to Borg. And, in the second part, when Picard was rescued, it was noticed that he was being assimilated biologically to Borg, very slowly, spreading from the implants, and this process stopped when the implants were removed by surgery. The classical idea of fast assimilation to Borg developed after (in real world time) that.
I removed the above info because it seems to be speculatory background information and somewhat nitpicky, the latter of which is not allowed as per a Ten Forward conversation. --From Andoria with Love 18:04, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I think the exact same edit was made to the Wikipedia Borg page a while ago before I reverted that. Aside from the speculation regarding the writers (and surely the dual-episode was written at one time rather than with a large gap following the filming of part 1), I don't recall it ever being said that the Borg's only/primary method of multiplication was cloning. It has been a while since I saw Q, Who though so I could be wrong. - Hayter 23:47, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- The best of Both Worlds Part Two was indeed written quite a while after Part One. Tiberius 04:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- They were both written by Michael Piller, though. Funny, eh? The story is told in the supplemental DVD material on the last Season 3 disc. Piller didn't expect to be back for Season 4 so he wrote BOBW 1 without figuring out how the crisis would be resolved by some other writer later. Well, he got invited back and was like "Oh, man, now what do I do?" 188.8.131.52 02:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- In Q Who they don't mention cloning, but they visit what Riker calls "the Borg nursery" containing maturation chambers with infants with implants, though the implants are not as extensive as those in adult drones. Riker speculates that Borg are born biological and are immediately implanted with technology. The crewmember who remarks on Picard becoming a Borg in BOBW1 is Worf: Data informs Riker "The Captain has been altered by the Borg.", Riker querries "Altered...?", to which Worf replies "He is a Borg!". It is never stated that the Borg clone until Voyager (I believe), but we certainly do know from Q Who alone that they reproduce themselves biologically. Only in Voyager do we see their drones being grown ectogenically (outside the biological womb) and with implants already present. It was probably the greater emphasis on Borg nanotechnology featured in Voyager that made the idea of prenatal implants possible. I believe the only Borg nanotechnology reference in TNG was Crusher's mention that the Borg would transform the Federation into nanites, and indirectly in the fact that Borg ship repair as witnessed in Q Who could only be physically possible with mature nanotechnology. As for the development of assimilation, that was almost certainly an idea running through the production of both BOBW episodes - the very point of Picard's transformation in Locutus of Borg was that, as the Borg themselves stated directly to him, they wanted to improve themselves biologically as well as technologically and that in order to ease the resistance of Federation citizens against joining into the Collective, they required a recognisable mouthpiece to represent them during the introduction of the Collective into Federation society.
Michael Eddington's Federation/Borg comparison
I always liked Michael Eddington's comparison between the Federation and the Borg in "For the Cause". Could it be added here? Ben Sisko 22:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
That was a truly remarkable comparison and the only reason why I enjoyed his character.– Enterprise E 13:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
In VOY:"One", some borg drones and the inside of a borg cube appears as a hallucination by Seven of Nine. Should this count as a apperance?--Unknown
- Yes, I believe so.--MatthewFenton 23:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Make it So.
Yes they should.– Enterprise E 13:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
You have no chance to survive make your time. All your base are belong to us! MOVE EVERY ZIG! (I'm sorry, but any mention of the Borg and "resistance is futile" makes me think of bad Japanese video games. LOL) 220.127.116.11 21:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Um... ok. Well, talk pages are not meant to be used as recollections of past gaming experiences or for any kind of idle chit-chat. They are to only be used for the purposes of discussing the content of the article. Please remember this in the future. Thank you. --From Andoria with Love 04:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Borg History
At the moment I am busy rewriting the Borgs history that is present in this article but I also found a seperate history article about them. Both articles generaly seem to contain about the same information but are written differently. Is there any reason that there are seperate history articles and a history part within the main article ? I also noticed this in other species. Has it something to do with the article size ? Its confusing for me to put what where. Any thoughts ? -- Q 12:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've moved the info to Borg history, tho it may still need a canon check and some rewriting. I've also moved some other repeticious sections, this article is getting skinny as a result. Jaf 15:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- I think the culture section of this article can be split up and moved to Borg Collective, Hive mind and Borg philosophy. I also feel the Borg starship information should be on it's own page about Borg starships, I was going to move it to Borg starship classes, but that's not the norm with starship class articles. This is an interesting occurrence for a species article, it has almost become a disambig. Jaf 16:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- Why all the split ups ? If I look at other species pages, history, physiology etc... are on the main page. As far as I am concerned every species should have a central page from which a reader can explore that species. Granted, not all information about physiology for example should be on the main page but a few explanatory paragraphs about the species should. So the reader gets a general overview. Despite this will cause some overlap with articles which will go indepth about the subject. As you said only links will get this article skinny. I assume that is not what species articles are all about. Displayin a disambiguation page when someone searches for 'Borg' seems rather silly. -- Q 18:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- I found that I had to go to more then one place to get info on the same thing and I was often reading the same information twice as a result. I didn't see any need for it. Jaf 22:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- I agree with Q that the main article for an information-rich species like the Borg should have some teaser paragraphs summarizing the key points of applicable sections like technology or culture and then link to the main article for that specific topic on the species. This appears to be common practice for other species on topics like history and technology (see: Human, Vulcan). - Intricated 00:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll take practical over pretty, we need not be repetitious. Jaf 00:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- I agree with Q that the main article for an information-rich species like the Borg should have some teaser paragraphs summarizing the key points of applicable sections like technology or culture and then link to the main article for that specific topic on the species. This appears to be common practice for other species on topics like history and technology (see: Human, Vulcan). - Intricated 00:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I found that I had to go to more then one place to get info on the same thing and I was often reading the same information twice as a result. I didn't see any need for it. Jaf 22:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)Jaf
the quotes in the middle of this article see really out of place.
Release of Star Trek Legacy
With the release of this game, they seem to have a little story about the origins of the borg..
- Star Trek: Legacy, like all Trek games, is not canon. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Star trek can't be known buy a game no matter what it is about. Some things are correct but Star Trek Legacy is a game based on no proof of past ships. The borg are just the perfect example of the unknown.– Enterprise E 23:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this page has major problems. First, there are numerous unsupported assertions throughout, for example the History and Spacecraft sections. Also, there are sweeping statements that are (in addition to being poorly-worded in my opinion) simply too broad and have no citation or support. For example, in the History section: "The Borg always have and probably will continue to assimilate species they consider worthy into their Collective. Not only have the Borg assimilated starships, but entire planets they encounter. After an assessment of the target's tactical strengths and weaknesses, and their worthiness of inclusion into the Borg Collective, the assimilation process begins." Where is the support for this? This article needs SERIOUS work, especially for something as important to the canon as the Borg.
-Lt. Cmdr. B. Sutherland
- The only problem I have with what you quoted is the speculative "always have and probably will continue". All the rest of it is pretty much straight from the Borgs' own onscreen collective mouths.
Has anyone ever written, or seen an article written, regarding why the Borg look "white" between 2365 and 2370, compared to their "corpse grey-green" look prior and since? [User: Stripey].
- All to do with the amount of vegetables they eat. They're into the later stages of scurvy now. But as a proper answer... no. Never seen anything, my guess is simply that the makeup changed, along with the filming quality. -- Sulfur 21:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- to say nothing of the spandex of the same era which yielded later to armor.
I think it might be appropriate to have a section detailing all the fictional entities outside of the Star Trek universe that were no doubt inspired by the ideas the Borg presented (assimilation of outside advantages, hive-minded unification)...there are too many to count...the Zerg stand out, but there are many others (the Slivers from Magic, the Tyranid from Warhammer 40k, the Strogg from Quake)
- We would need actual proof rather than speculation. For example the Zerg and pretty much all of StarCraft is known to have been inspired by Warhammer 40K (Zerg being inspired by the Tyranids). Warhammer 40K (including the Tyranids) first came out in 1987, two years before "Q Who" and the Borg first aired. Therefore, they could not have been inspired by the Borg. --OuroborosCobra talk 03:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
V'Ger as the Borg Origin
I kind of like that idea. Ilia does seem to resemble the Borg Queen, in some way. then again, 1000s of years do take a toll on you.
Baby Borgs
Since the Borg added lifeforms to their Collective via assimilation, there was no need for procreation, although they apparently did so nevertheless, as evidenced by the neonatal drones discovered by Federation crewmembers and the fact that the Borg had access to extremely sophisticated abiogenic reproductive techniques. (TNG: "Q Who"; VOY: "Drone") No differentiation was made between children and adults when assimilating a race. (VOY: "Collective") Unlike non-Borg species, these youths did not need to go to school to obtain knowledge. The moment they joined the Collective they could access its entire memory. However, when they were too young they were placed in maturation chambers where they remained for up to seventeen cycles before they would serve the Borg Collective. (VOY: "Year of Hell")
The "evidence" given here for the Borg's procreation seems to be that the Enterprise found a nursery aboard the cube in "Q Who." Given what we now know about the Borg, though, it's entirely possible that the infants in this nursery were recently captured in an assimilation mission. (We know the Borg assimilate infants from "Collective") There is little cause to speculate that they were the result of sexual reproduction among drones. The Borg no doubt could create a fetus through any number of means, but Seven of Nine plainly states in "Drone" that (as of 2375) they do not.
I assume the "seventeen cycles" figure is based on a reference to Seven's experience in a maturation chamber. I don't think that can be used to make a generalization about the length of time all juvenile drones spend in maturation chambers. This almost certainly varies according to the age of the assimilated child and its species. --Jimsmith 01:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Borg queen Wolf 359
From the Article:'The Borg Queen (Star Trek: First Contact) also later claimed to be present at the Battle of Wolf 359, despite the fact that she acknowledged the destruction of that ship and all the Borg on it.'
The borg queen is present at all the battles and events, all the minds in the borg hive are one, so no matter how far away she was physically, she was there anyway.
- She claimed to physically be there. We even saw her in the flashbacks with Picard. In this case, the hive mind thing doesn't fly. Besides, just because she has a mental link with her drones, it does not make her "there", no more than I am in New Jersey if I call my grandparents on the phone while I sit here in Massachusetts. --OuroborosCobra talk 04:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- It's a cryptic reference, although regarding her 'explanation' in telling Picard that he has become small and thinks three dimensionally, while I personally find it apocryphal that she was referring to anything to do with hyperspace or time travel, I personally find it much more plausible, given the context of the conversation and Picard's chain of reasoning (to which she clearly objects and makes mocking reflection), that she is referring to his stunted (relative to Borg standards) capacity for lateral thought. It would seem to me that she is not speaking literally in a physical sense, but rather literally in a cognitive sense, that she is telling Picard he has lost the ability to see the obviousness (of what, this too is unclear). I would have to concur with the omnipresence hypothesis - the queen is always there, she "is the Collective" according to her own admission. Picard's recollection of her being "physically" there is no more valid in an positionally massive sense than would be his recollection of hearing her "voice" in his head. The voices of the Collective do not exist as sound waves travelling through the air and entering a drone's "ear", but they do exist as subspace signals. The queen may not have been physically "there" any more than the voices of the Collective carry through the air as a sequence of kinetic waves travelling through a gas, but this in no way stops Picard from remembering her there. As to the question of whether you are "there" in New Jersey (or anywhere, this is all hypothetical) during a telephone call, it's not as black and white as that. There is serious philosophical research regarding these very issues (if you give everybody in China a computer and put them all on a radio network and program all the computers to act like brain cells, does China become a conscious entity?) -- plus, the queen never claims to have been "physically" there, Picard implies it and the queen goes on as I've said before, telling him that he has become small and three-dimensional in his thinking.
- That is all speculation, though. The facts are that we SEE her in a flashback, and the dialogue from Picard specifically states "you were on that ship", it does not leave room for the metaphysical. --OuroborosCobra talk 12:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


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