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COML 517 On Campus Practicum
Welcome to COML 517 On-Campus Residency
This course is designed to merge theory and praxis and provide practical application of communication knowledge and action with a focus in public speaking, group processes writing and multi-media products. There are no texts required.
If you have any questions, contact Kathy Gustafson at firstname.lastname@example.com.
A Day in the Life
Class will run from approximately 8am to 5pm on all 3 days. You will need to plan your arrival and departure accordingly. On the last day you will be involved in group multimedia presentations beginning at 3:30pm so leaving early to catch a flight is not possible. This is an intensive so you will be busy all day. There will be one hour each day for lunch. Lunch is not hosted. We will host a dinner on the second evening in which we invite you to bring guests that may be traveling with you. Children are welcome too! Dress is casual. You will be doing quite a bit of walking so wear comfortable shoes. It is typically always cool here in the morning and evenings so be sure to bring a coat/jacket and dress in layers.
BEFORE your arrival on campus you must go on Blackboard as there is course related work that will require your attention. COML 517 begins the first day of each session as a regular class would, NOT on the first day of your arrival on campus so please be sure to check in on Blackboard the first day of the session.
This list includes the current rates for several hotels that are in walking distance. Please note these rates are single occupancy and do not include tax. During the summer session on-campus housing is available. Contact information for on-campus housing will be provided closer to the summer session. There in no campus housing available during the Fall or Spring sessions.
I have provided a sample syllabus for you to review so that you can feel comfortable with the expectations of the course. Please keep in mind that this is a sample and is subject to minor changes for each individual session.
Summer 2013 - May 29-31
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Sandpoint is a city in North Idaho.
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Vistors to Sandpoint must realize that it is a region in transition. From humble timber and fishing beginnings, Sandpoint has suddenly been rocketed to among the top destinations in the West, indeed the nation. It was number one on USA Today's List of Unforgettable Summer Vacations, as well as Sunset Magazine's top small Western Town, along with numerous other distinctions. Obviously, the locals have mixed feelings about this. Along with much-needed additional revenue and diversity, tourists and new transplants bring with them additional traffic in an already choked town, pollution from all those extra cars, and a crowded downtown. The average cost of a house in Sandpoint has skyrocketed, and property taxes are through the roof. Although most residents are at least tolerant of the added load and many are overtly friendly with tourists, any and all visitors must be prepared to read some anti-tourist bumper stickers. Few, however, will ever encounter the wrath of a truly ticked local, a force to be reckoned with indeed. To avoid this, one only needs to arm oneself with some basic knowledge of the town, as most of this stems from annoyance with perceived ignorance. The bottom line- don't skip this beautiful resort town because of the rumors of California haters. Just read up on the town in advance, and please don't walk out in front of cars in a crosswalk under the assumption that they'll [be able to] stop!
Geographical Layout
This article could perhaps be more accurately titled East Bonner County. The region generally known as Sandpoint is actually a collection of small communities lining highways 2, 95 & 200, the largest of which being the actual Sandpoint. Excluding Sandpoint, they are the following:
- Careywood 18 miles south of Sandpoint, Hwy 95.
- Cocallala 12 miles south of Sandpoint, Hwy 95.
- Westmond 10 miles south of Sandpoint, Hwy 95.
- Dufort 8 miles south of Sandpoint, Hwy 95.
- Algoma 6 miles south of Sandpoint, Hwy 95
- Sagle 5 miles south of Sandpoint, Hwy 95
- Ponderay 3 miles north of Sandpoint, sandwiched between Hwy 95/2 and Hwy 200.
- Kootenai 4 miles north of Sandpoint, Hwy 200.
- Sunnyside 6 miles east of Sandpoint, Hwy 200
- Oden Bay 8 miles east of Sandpoint, Hwy 200.
- Trestle Creek 14 miles east of Sandpoint, Hwy 200.
- Hope 16 miles east of Sandpoint, Hwy 200.
- East Hope 17 miles east of Sandpoint, Hwy 200
- Beyond Hope 21 miles east of Sandpoint, Hwy 200
- Dover 3 miles west of Sandpoint, Hwy 2.
- Wrencoe 9 miles west of Sandpoint, Hwy 2
- LaClede 14 miles west of Sandpoint, Hwy 2.
Located just north of the 48th parallel, Sandpoint's climate is rather unique in the region. Although found not far from the deserts of Eastern Washington, Northern Idaho is actually on the rainy side of the next mountain chain- the Rocky Mountains. Many climate maps will show Sandpoint as an arid or semi-arid region, but this is not accurate. With long, usually quite cold winters (average temperatures are generally below freezing, and usually dip down to -20F for a week or two in February) and short, hot summers, (80-90F is the average, but be prepared for the possibility of up to 100F for short periods) Sandpoint most resembles a Hemiboreal or even Boreal climate, similar to that of the southern interior of Alaska (Fairbanks and the like). Winter lasts from late November to March, whereas Summer weather doesn't really hit until July and peaks in August. Spring (April-June) and Autumn (September-early November) are generally rainy and cool. Storms are quite common in Sandpoint- thunderstorms are the norm for hot summer afternoons and windstorms strike the most in spring. In late June of '07 a series of small tornadoes (a first for the region) swept through the area, knocking down trees and even tearing off roofs of houses. Many residents did not get their power back for several days- Priest Lake to the far northwest had power restored on the 4th of July.
Get in
By Air
Sandpoint does have an airport, unfortunately it is only serviced by charter planes and even then, getting in and out is complex and expensive. If you want to fly in, Spokane International Airport (GEG) is your best bet. Located about 2 hours southwest of Sandpoint, it
By Car
In Europe, it may be true that all roads lead to Rome, but in the Northwest all roads lead to Seattle. Sandpoint is no exception, as two of its three highways will eventually take you there.
- From Seattle/Portland Driving east from the west coast, you have two options. I-90 eastboand is the fastest, but it is mostly barren steppe and scrubland. In Coeur d'Alene, take Hwy 95 north to Sandpoint. The scenic alternative to I-90 is Hwy 2- which winds through northern Washington and drops you off right in Sandpoint. It is slightly longer, though.
- From Boise Instead of taking Hwy 95 northbound through the state, take I-84 out of the city and follow it north (it becomes Hwy 395 along the way), then hop on I-90 and drive east until you reach Coeur d'Alene. Although on a map 95 seems shorter, it is a winding road that has fallen into disrepair in many places with few stops along the way.
- From the East I-90 westbound is your best bet. Same drill- take 95 at Coeur d'Alene. For an alternative, Hwy 200 winds through northern Montana, passing through Kalispell/Flathead Lake and Glacier National Park
By Train
Sandpoint has a small station on the Amtrak Empire Builder Line, [1] which runs from Chicago to Seattle/Portland, and services most of the northern Midwest and Northwest. All Amtrak trains arrive and depart from Sandpoint at ungodly hours, but bunks and other accommodations are available.
By Bus
Greyhound Bus Lines [2] operate a station in Coeur d'Alene, a large town south of Sandpoint. From Coeur d'Alene, you can take a N.I.C.E (The North Idaho Community Express) Bus to Sandpoint.
Get around
- Winter Carnival
- Lost in the 50's
- Fourth of July
- The Festival at Sandpoint
- POAC Arts and Crafts Fair
- Sandpoint Farmers Market
- Crazy Daze Street Sale
- Schweitzer Mountain Ski Resort.
For a small town in a relatively remote region, Sandpoint contains an inordinate amount (last count was 60, but not all are listed here) of restaurants of all shapes and colors, likely because of its strong tourist economy and a very hungry population. In addition to the locally owned restaurants listed below, Sandpoint also plays host to several fast food chains throughout town.
Visitors with a particularly discerning palette may be pleased to learn that Sandpoint holds two major "food festivals" annually- A Taste of Sandpoint in February (part of the Winter Carnival) and the Sandpoint Summer Sampler in late June. Both feature many local restaurants serving up their most popular fare in a fun and artsy setting. Foster's Crossing Antiques also holds a fudge contest during the Winter Carnival, and for a small fee anyone can test then judge a preset amount of entries.
Every town has a specialty, and Sandpoint's is huckleberries. From huckleberry pie to huckleberry syrup to huckleberry daiquiris, you can find just about everything in huckleberry come summer. Local stores often carry some of the prepackaged stuff, like huckleberry candy bars, and restaurants usually serve some sort of huckleberry dessert. Huckleberry Ice Cream in particular seems to be the local favorite.
All of Sandpoint's restaurants are casual, that is to say none of them have dress requirements. Even the most expensive restaurants will let you in wearing ripped jeans, but you may get some looks. That being said, you will probably also see many others dressed as you are!
Price guide for an average entrée: $ = <$10, $$ = $10-20, $$$ = >$20
- Spuds Rotisserie & Grill, 102 N 1st Ave, ☎ (208) 265-4311, [3]. Perhaps Sandpoint's most well known local restaurant, Spuds' lunch menu is chock full of freshly made sandwiches of all sorts, plus delectable rotisserie chicken and, of course, lots of potatoes. At night, they pull the curtain on their walk up counter and do table service, with steaks, rotisserie chicken, tri-tip, and all sorts of other savory meals, plus several to-die-for desserts. $$
- Cricket Original Bbq House, 212 N 4th Ave, ☎ (208) 265-9600. This cute roadside stand has an excellent location- across from Farmin park. They serve up all sorts of barbequed meats, plus wraps and sandwiches. Particularly observant visitors may notice their truck around town, which has a large menu strapped to the back. $
- The Hydra Restaurant, 115 E Lake St, ☎ (208) 263-7123, [4]. Located in a beautiful blue house on the corner of Lake & 2nd, just far enough from the bustle of the main strip, the Hydra is well known for their buffet, but their steaks are also excellent, as well as their extensive dessert menu. $$
- Duke's Cowboy Grill, 30340 Highway 200, Ponderay, ☎ (208) 263-0600. Out in Ponderay, Duke's serves up barbequed everything, from pulled pork to chili to chicken, along with all the chips and salsa you can eat, in a very authentic Texas-style building. $$
- Eichardts Pub & Grill, 212 Cedar St, ☎ (208) 263-4005. Gourmet burgers seem to be the order of the day at Eichardts, but they also feature sandwiches, salads, and a full service bar. Sitting upstairs is recommended, especially with children. $-$$
- Sand Creek Grill, 105 S. First Avenue, ☎ 208-255-5736, [5]. Serving up Northwest cuisine with a unique flair, this popular restaurant has it all: beautiful views, a huge garden/patio for the summer and fireplaces for the winter, and a large menu of fresh fish, steaks, chicken, and more. $$-$$$
- Slates Prime Time Grill & Sports Bar, 204 N. Triangle Drive, Ponderay, ☎ 208-263-1381, [6]. Although slightly off the beaten path, pool fans will revel in the numerous pool tables scattered throughout the restaurant, along with typical bar food and several big screen TVs. $
- Beyond Hope Resort Restaurant, Off Highway 200, Beyond Hope, ☎ 208-264-5251. Located right on the lake with a beautiful lawn, this upscale restaurant offers all sorts of entrées, from steak and chicken to appetizers and a full service bar. $$
- Captn's Table, 16469 Garfield Bay Road, Sagle, ☎ 208-265-6351, [7]. Located off the beaten path in Sagle, the Captn's Table is a modern take on a wild west saloon, complete with first class meals and a bar. Their specialty is their homemade cheesecake!$$
- Chimney Rock Grill, Selkirk Lodge, Schweitzer Village, ☎ 208-255-3071. Specializing in Northwest cuisine, this grill boasts incredible views of Sandpoint, along with fresh fish, steaks, and a large dessert menu. $$
- Dock of the Bay, Holiday Shores Marina, Hope, ☎ Phone: 208-264-5057. This restaurant on the water features unbelievably fresh fish and other goodies, in a gorgeous wooden Alaska-themed building with a nice patio right on the bay, this restaurant could easily be Sandpoint's best. $$$
- Sunset Saloon, 126 W. Main Street, Hope, ☎ 208-264-6004, [8]. Located in the historic Hope Hotel, this cute little diner features an array of burgers, steaks, salads and more, with a full service bar. $
- Long Bridge Grill, Highway 95 South, Sagle, ☎ 208-265-7929. Right at the Sagle end of the Long Bridge, you will find this fun family restaurant, with steaks, seafood, and other typical steakhouse fare. $$
- The Pastime, 209 N. First Ave, ☎ 208-265-1535. Steaks are the order of the day here, but you can also find lots of other meals, including salads and fresh sandwiches. Upstairs is the Synergy Nightclub. $$
- Floating Restaurant, Highway 200, Hope, ☎ Phone: 208-264-5311. Bonner County's only restaurant not actually attached to the ground (hence the name), the Floating Restaurant serves all sorts of Northwest specialties and is a great restaurant, but beware: the restrooms are on their own separate (small) floats, and during choppy water seasickness may be induced. (!) $$
- Bamboo Chinese Restaurant, 417 Church St, ☎ (208) 263-9593. Located on busy Church street across from the Post Office, Bamboo Chinese restaurant is a great place for lunch, but parking can be an issue. $$
- Bangkok Cuisine Thai Restaurant, 202 N 2nd Ave, ☎ (208) 265-4149. A local favorite, Bangkok is a hole in the wall place that serves up all sorts of authentic Thai meals in a delightfully decorated building. $$
- Golden Dragon, 100 Tibbetts Dr, Ponderay, ☎ (208) 265-5425. With a huge menu and lots of tables, this is the best Chinese place to go when you have a crowd. It's often overlooked, and is never crowded, but the food is excellent. Just make sure you are very clear with your order, as the staff speaks very little English. $$
- Arlos Ristorante, 330 N 1st Ave, ☎ (208) 255-4186. Sandwiched between the Cedar Street Bridge and Eve's Leaves, this is perhaps the most underrated restaurant in all of Sandpoint. Their fresh homemade marinara sauce is full of ripe tomatoes, garlic, shallots, and tons of other goodies. Don't leave without having a slice of their Chocolate Mousse Pie or a Chocolate-Chip Cannoli! $$
- Ivanos Ristoranté & Café, 102 S 1st Ave Ste 101, ☎ (208) 263-0211. Formerly located in the in the house that now houses the Blue Moon Café, Ivanos serves up Italian dishes of all sorts with a lovely outdoor patio and a cute little café and bakery. $$-$$$
- Second Avenue Pizza, ☎ NN. Sandpoint's classic pizzeria, Second Avenue features pizzas piled high with toppings as well as all sorts of local beers in a cute building filled with 50's memorabilia.$-$$
- Old Ice House Pizza, 140 W. Main Street, Hope, ☎ NN. Although Hope is about a 20 minute drive from Sandpoint, it is well worth it with spectacular views of the lake and wetlands. Located on the side of a mountain overlooking the lake, Ice House Pizza serves up great pizza in a fun atmosphere, with occasional live music and a ping pong table. $-$$
- Thor's Pizza, Schweitzer Village, ☎ NN. Perched atop Schweitzer mountain among some of the best skiing the west has to offer, Thor's has been serving up excellent pizza for years. $-$$
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Coffee Houses
Sandpoint has a variety of hotels, inns, vacation rentals, and B&B's. From a victorian themed room at the Coit House to a beach house on the lake to a room at the newly renovated Motel 6, Sandpoint has a place for all tastes and budgets. Note, of course, that prices given are the bare minimum- the price you get depends on a variety of factors including when you book and what sort of amenities (lake view, king bed, etc) you desire.
Economy Hotels/Inns
- America's Best Value Inn.
- K-2 Inn.
- Best Western Edgewater Resort, 56 Bridge Street, ☎ (208) 255-4947 (fax: (208) 263-3194), [9]. checkin: 11AM; checkout: 3PM. $90+.
- La Quinta Inn.
- Motel 6.
- Quality Inn at Sandpoint.
- Super 8 Motel.
Quality Hotels/Inns
Bed & Breakfasts
Vacation Rentals
Get out
After all, there's way more to the region than just Sandpoint! In fact, Sandpoint makes a great hub from which to visit smaller (or sometimes larger) communities. Here are some places to start...
Hwy 95 Northbound
- Bonners Ferry Slightly smaller than Sandpoint, Bonners Ferry is a short drive from the Canadian border. It has a cute downtown full of shops and also the Kootenai Wildlife Refuge, where you can hike numerous trails or take a driving tour.
- Porthill/Rickerts About the only thing interesting about these communities is that they lie exactly on the border and house the US/Canada customs. Unlike many more urban customs offices, waits are not usually long, but remember to bring birth certificates for all minors and identification for all adults, plus passports all around if your vacation falls in 2008 or after.
- Cranbrook, BC Cranbrook is a fun little town not far from the border, whose main attraction is Fort Steele. Fort Steele is a famous re-enactment/museum of pioneer life, complete with real penny candy stores, excellent views of Cranbrook, and many exhibits. A must see for all passerby.
Hwy 95 Southbound
Hwy 200 Eastbound
Hwy 2 Westbound
- Priest River/Lake Past LaClede is the small timber town of Priest River. Priest River is home to a cute downtown, Albeni Falls Dam (which supplies the region's power) and plenty of wilderness ripe for discovering. Head north from Priest River, and you will find Priest Lake, a tiny resort town in the middle of nowhere.
- Newport, WA Just over the Washington border lies Newport, also on the Pend Oreille river. Newport has lots of shops and a classically themed movie theater.
- Beyond If you stay on 2, you will eventually end up in Sedro-Woolly and Burlington at the junction of Hwy 2 and I-5. Along the way you will pass through such famous destinations as Winthrop and Republic, all within a days drive of Sandpoint... or Seattle.


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Alaska Range > Denali (Mount McKinley) > Climber's Log
Denali (Mount McKinley) Climber's Log
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McClimber | Awesome Date Climbed: May 24, 2005 | |
Awesome. Long trip but I am coming back for more. This mountain is tuff on any route. Don't let anyone say different. If they do, they haven't been there. | ||
Posted Jun 3, 2008 2:46 am |
Brad Marshall | West Buttress Date Climbed: May 18, 2008 | |
Sue and I attempted the West Butt this year with a couple of friends. Sue made it to Windy Corner but decided the climb was too much for her this year and we descended. She'll be back! | ||
Posted May 31, 2008 3:07 pm |
ericwillhite | What a place. Date Climbed: Jun 4, 1997 | |
Just wanted to sign the log. It was quite an adventure 10 years ago so I just named my new daughter Mckinley. She's only 7 months but already been up about 30 summits now (now 100 by age one). Spent 30 days up on the mountain....solo from 14,000 which I enjoyed. Great climbing buddys made the trip a success for our team of 4. Full trip report with pictures at http://www.willhiteweb.com/state_highpoint/alaska/mount_mckinley_047.htm | ||
Posted Apr 30, 2008 8:09 pm |
Noelle | Big Mac Date Climbed: Jul 9, 2007 | |
Denali pass was closed so we summited by going up the ridge to the right from high camp! | ||
Posted Mar 26, 2008 11:53 pm |
david whiting | For the beauty, the challenge, to feed the soul Date Climbed: Jun 27, 2001 | |
I'll post an article when I figure out how to do that. | ||
Posted Mar 15, 2008 6:07 pm |
bighornmonkey | West Buttress Date Climbed: May 26, 2007 | |
First attempt! Successful attempt. Luck was on our side with the weather. | ||
Posted Dec 25, 2007 8:53 am |
verticalhiker | Denali Expedition 2008 Date Climbed: May 27, 2007 | |
Mission Denali Expedition 2008Yes, we are looking for a team of climbers to climb Denali (Mt. McKinley, Alaska) with us, (climbingforchrist.org) as a mission to help others on the mountain. (10-12 members only, this is not a guided expedition, so it's inexpensive because there is no profit, but we expect team players). We will attempt the Summit, via West Buttress, but we are committed to serving people on the mountain as God leads us. If you are interested, please visit this website: www.climbingforchrist.org and fill out an application if you fulfill some the prerequisites. Thank you. If you have any questions, please email me. Date:May 12 (arrive in Anchorage) to June 6, 2008. Team: 10-12 members. Estimated Cost: $1825 (inexpensive because it's not a guided profit trip) | ||
Posted Dec 15, 2007 8:41 pm |
kovarpa | West Buttress | |
Spent 16 days on the mountain with Vendulka and Kris. Vendulka and I got shut down by some horrible weather in the 17k camp - after three miserable days we just threw in the towel - the descent was a little hairy. Still had great time, this is one my favorite areas in the world - when the weather is good I would not want to be anywhere else than Alaska Range. | ||
Posted Nov 22, 2007 2:35 pm |
olepat | West Buttress | |
After spending a year at UAF studying, Denali was close - so it called me...two other aspirants dropped out last minute, so it was "solo, but of course I met a great bunch of new friends on the mountain. Had two attempts, on the first one I got altitude sick at high camp and walked down to basecamp on my own, but thanks to the two Alaskans who accompanied me. Second attempt two weeks or so later was successful. Spent close to a month on the mountain, weather... | ||
Posted Oct 23, 2007 4:21 am |
I like it on top | West Buttress Date Climbed: May 21, 2006 | |
What an incredible adventure!!! Felt like a long winter camping trip, except for all the hard climbing. Some incredible and amazing views. Weather held us up for a short time and then broke long enough for us to grab the summit and return. Memorial expedition for Cops on top. Four person team 2 from Switzerland, 1 from Canada, and myself. It's the highest and hardest of the state highpoints so I have no excuse to not complete them all now. | ||
Posted Jul 30, 2007 5:01 pm |
Tbacon251 | Re: West Buttress | |
I can only imagine!!!! | ||
Posted Sep 26, 2007 10:53 pm |
Shirley Lam | West Buttress Date Climbed: May 26, 2007 | |
3 days grounded in Talkeetna, 13 days to the summit, 1 day descent, 24 hrs at BC, 3 awesome partners, 100's of new friends. I couldn't have counted on a better trip! | ||
Posted Jul 26, 2007 3:35 pm |
bcborder | West Buttress Traverse Date Climbed: Jun 19, 2007 | |
Awesome day to be on the summit. We came up the West Buttress, carried all our gear over Denali pass, then summited from a high camp at around 17600' on the Harper glacier. The 4 day descent down Karstens/Muldrow glacier was tough. The guides from Mountain Trip did a great job. | ||
Posted Jul 12, 2007 3:03 pm |
caude | perfect day Date Climbed: Jun 19, 2007 | |
After 16 days on the West Buttress route we (Team Ten Fingers Ten Toes) had a perfect day on the summit - no wind, no clouds, about 30-40 climbers. Check out our expedition website for photos and more. | ||
Posted Jul 2, 2007 2:33 pm |
Peak Freak | West Buttress Date Climbed: Jun 14, 2007 | |
28 days on the mountain! Stuck at 14,200 for 12 days due to bad weather up top. Made lots of friends in camp. Many people left before summitting. When the weather cleared, many people summitted before I was ready (I'm a slow acclimatizer). Bivvied 2 extra nights at 17,200. Summitted on day 25 on my own, following another friendly group. Beautiful weather. Stellar conditions. Soloed all the way out and made new friends. Thanks to the Spanish trio who let me follow them from 7,800 to 7,200. Tons of open crevasses!!!! Alaska is a beautiful place. | ||
Posted Jun 22, 2007 5:36 pm |
Dennis Poulin | West Buttress Date Climbed: Jun 12, 2007 | |
A great guided climb with Alpine Ascents. A beautiful summit day with clear skies and NO wind. | ||
Posted Jun 19, 2007 11:50 am |
Brian Kalet | West Buttress Date Climbed: Jun 10, 2007 | |
Climbed with bc44caeser & photo61guy. Skied from the summit! | ||
Posted Jun 18, 2007 1:47 pm |
bc44caesar | West Buttress Date Climbed: Jun 10, 2007 | |
Spent 25 days on the route. Flew out of Talkeetna on the 21st. One team member developed HAPE at 11k which caused a two day detour to return him to base camp. We reached the 14k camp on the 28th and spent the next 13 days sitting around waiting for good weather. Very few teams and no guided groups summitted during this time. I skied the headwall section of the route on the 1st of June - a couple inches of powder over pretty steep blue ice - and hucked the bergschrund at the bottom of the lines. An exciting descent! Finally things cleared and two of us moved to 17k in the evening and headed for the summit the next afternoon. I reached the summit after 5-5.5hrs and skied all the way back (with a couple of short bootpacks on uphill portions) in 7hrs RT on Day 21. Our other partner tried the next day but turned around at Denali Pass. We descended all the way to Base Camp that night and then sat around waiting for clear weather for three days to fly out. Finally caught a ride on the 14th. | ||
Posted Jun 16, 2007 10:32 am |
ibndalight | West Buttress Date Climbed: May 1, 2007 | |
Fell into a crevasse and twisted my knee it ended my climb at 16K. Quite a bummer... | ||
Posted May 18, 2007 2:50 pm |
The edge | HP #47 Date Climbed: Jun 6, 2005 | |
Big Mac!! as we all call it; Thanks Blue for enduring me in the tent for so long...!! | ||
Posted Mar 14, 2007 4:20 pm |


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We've just added Leica M9 studio shots to our comparison tool. As part of our forthcoming review of the Sigma SD1, we'll be comparing it to a range of large-sensor, high-resolution cameras, which meant including the Leica M9. The shots, actually taken with an M9-P, should not be seen as a signal of a full review of the camera but do help put its image quality in context against its peers.
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Leica M9 18MP Digital Range Finder Camera (Steel Gray, Body Only) | $6,999.99 |
Leica M9 18MP Digital Range Finder Camera (Black, Body Only) | $7,999.99 |
Leica M9-P 18MP Full-Frame Digital Rangefinder Camera (Silver Chrome) | $7,995.00 |
Leica M9 18MP Digital Range Finder Camera (Steel Gray, Body Only) | $6,999.99 |
Leica X1 12.2MP APS-C CMOS Digital Camera | $1,277.97 |
Leica DLUX 6 10-megapixel Digital Camera | $741.99 |
Leica S2 37.5MP Interchangeable Lens Camera with 3 inch LCD | $22,995.00 |
Leica 10771 M 24MP RangeFinder Camera with 3-Inch TFT LCD Screen - Body Only (Silver/Black) | $6,800.49 |
Leica 10759 M-E 18 MP Digital Rangefinder Camera with 2.5-Inch TFT LCD Screen- Body Only (Grey) | $5,450.00 |
Leica Camera 18489 12.1MP Digital Camera with 7x Optical Image Stabilized Zoom and 3-Inch LCD (Dark Red Burgundy) | $662.10 |
Leica 18452 X2 16.5MP Compact Camera with 2.7-Inch TFT LCD (Silver) | $1,985.00 |
Leica M9-P 18 MP Digital Rangefinder Camera (Black) | $7,995.00 |
Leica M9-P 18MP Full-Frame Digital Rangefinder Camera (Silver Chrome) | $7,995.00 |
Leica M9-P 18MP Full-Frame Digital Rangefinder Camera (Silver Chrome) | $7,995.00 |
Leica M9 18MP Digital Range Finder Camera (Black, Body Only) | $7,999.99 |
Leica M9 18MP Digital Range Finder Camera (Steel Gray, Body Only) | $6,999.99 |
Leica DLUX 6 10-megapixel Digital Camera | $741.99 |
Leica 10759 M-E 18 MP Digital Rangefinder Camera with 2.5-Inch TFT LCD Screen- Body Only (Grey) | $5,450.00 |
Leica 10771 M 24MP RangeFinder Camera with 3-Inch TFT LCD Screen - Body Only (Silver/Black) | $6,800.49 |
Leica S2 37.5MP Interchangeable Lens Camera with 3 inch LCD | $22,995.00 |
Leica M9-P 18 MP Digital Rangefinder Camera (Black) | $7,995.00 |
Leica 10770 M 24MP RangeFinder Camera with 3-Inch TFT LCD Screen - Body Only (Black) | $6,800.49 |
Leica Hand Grip M for the M8.2, M9 and M9-P Digital Rangefinder Cameras, Silver | $179.00 |
I wonder why 2.5/75 Summarit was chosen for the test? Obviously, it is a professional-grade optics, but to prevent comparing pineapples to grapefruits it would make sense to use lenses that occupy comparable slots in system line-ups for all manufacturers.
Also, using portrait lenses for a test like that is somewhat questionable. If seeing how etching lines are resolved was the goal, why didn't you use macro lenses? Portrait lenses are for faces, not for shooting a newspaper page from ten feet away.
I could understand if someone on one of the forums posted a quick comparison test, but you guys have been doing this for too long to allow this sort of blunders. Honestly :)
I am always fascinated by how small the Leica lenses are, for that matter how small their full frame camera is too. For all the hype the kit looks rather innocuous, take away the red dot and not many people would notice you, not like the attention a d3 brings. I saw a fellow the other day with an m6 decked out with a 35mm, just looked like a fancy instamatic, no one except me seemed to take much notice as he snapped away.
Tells you without LV the M9 focusing is not consistence enough to compare at critical situations.
Canon, take notes. Bring out your best FF mirrorless please!
Focus is inconsistent.
Look at the Queen of Hearts - Sharp with the Leica, fuzzy with the 5dII. Now move to the left - the tapestry is sharp with the 5dII, OOF with the Leica.
I have both these cameras (5dII and Leica M9). The M9 (at the same print size) compares well to the 5dII in terms of resolution. However, the M9 produces excellent results with minimal LR adjustments. The 5dII images need additional work and more sharpening to get to an M9 IQ. Pixel peeping does not really show the differences in IQ - you have to look at full size images to get the full story.
The real difference is in use, portablility and lens selection. The M9 is a 'faster' camera, with a better and simpler UI, but this takes practice. If objects are moving around, or object selection bounces around, the a/f gives the advantage to the 5dII.
The M9 and 4 lenses are ridiculously easy to carry. The 5dII and 4 lenses can be simply ridiculous to lug around.
Its getting very difficult now to do these sorts of camparisons. And all that happens is that peoples prejudices come out.
The big debate now is at what point does FF sensor photosite density start to degrade high ISO capture. Its seems that its at the 25mp point on current technology.
Leica and Nikon would have you believe that its the quality of the individual sites that matters, especially at high ISOs. Thats why the M9 is 18mp and the D3s is 12.9. Recent discussions about the D3x and its brilliant low ISO performance will keep it in the studio.
Another respected commentator attributes the matching of the resolving power of M lenses being exploited by a weak anti aliasing filter on the M9, and Michael Reichmans assistant who removed the AA filter on his D3x and was astounded.
So where does that leave us? It all boils down to what use you plan to put your camera to. In the film days the variable was always just the lenses. Not any more.
Totally pointless and useless comparison. leica lenses are mostly made to be used and excel wide open and certainly not at it's optimum at f16 (at least thats what the EXIF data says)
no point comparing to sd1, there is no match. nothing beats sd1 in pixel peeping whether its m9, nikon, canon whatever.
Here is a full size 100% example. (copy and paste to ur browser)
I have to confess that I don't understand some of the "M9 not sharp" comments - how about looking at the Queen's head? To my eyes, the M9 is clearly sharper at all ISOs, although up at the top of the range it's arguably noisier as well.
The cameras tested in these studio shots are NOT being focused on the same point in the scene.
This makes the whole comparison of captured detail pretty cumbersome.
This systematic problem concerns all other cameras too, not only the 4 linked above.
I guess that what it also shows is that with a lens of this focal length, the depth of field is pretty small even at f11.
Have DPR ever published the actual geometry of their studio setup? Ie camera distance from front and rear of the subjects?
As much as I know they only provide a general distance to the setup.
Anyway, as long as the focal plane isn't centered on exactly the same point of the scene with every camera tested, the whole idea of comparing detail is moot.
The problem of different DoF with cameras of different sensor sizes could get solved relatively good by adjusting the F-number. So let's say f/5.6 for mFT, f/7.1 for APS-C, f/11 for FF and so on. It's not absolutely perfect this way and leaves out compacts but I think at least it would be a lot better than it is now. That should about meet the sweet spot for the respective sensors too anyway.
But as it is now, it's only good for compairing noise, unfortunately not detail too. And that's too bad.
Is it my eyesight, or you haven't added the D3X photos to the data base yet>
The M9-P rangefinder is probably off. Or the M9-P was misfocused. If the Summarit was not dropped or misused, I assume that is ok (Summarits are perfectly coupled to M9 / M9-P sensor-to-flange distance).
If the rangefinder is off, perfect focus cannot be achieved at any distance.
I've got both and actually prefer using the M9. (The D3 blows it out of the water at high ISOs, though.) I never realised that simply preferring the experience of using a rangefinder over that of a SLR made me a poser - thanks for enlightening me.
I'll be sure to get all my photographic enjoyment solely from high ISO noise and pixel peepeing in the future, rather than going out with the M9 and enjoying the whole process of actually taking pictures. I hope you'll find that acceptable.
Everything you're saying makes perfect sense, as a choice, accept the price.
dpreview, your studio comparison shots are in general a very welcome addition.
But why don't you uniformly focus on a specific spot with all cameras alike? The focal plane is always somewhere else, which makes comparisons of the captured detail quite difficult. This is not related to different sensor sizes as the problem also arises in the same sensor size category.
E.g. the queen card on some cameras is in focus, on others completely off.
First recognized this when I couldn't believe that the Pentax K-5 shots were so soft. But at closer inspection it's just focused way on the back of the scene, about on the queen card so the whole rest of the scene is out of focus. The same is true for a whole lot of other cameras too.
Completely agree. Dpreview should do something about it. m43 cameras typically misfocus the queen of hearts which is one of the common bits to compare. Either that or they just use a too wide aperture. I already know that and I usually avoid using it for accessing sharpness but most people don't know that.
Can anyone explain to me why the M9 body is so fat? Why does it look like it could still house 35mm film.. At 590g, this thing is neither compact or light-weight..
There are many issues with the M9, but as it is the smallest full frame digital camera ever, I think size is probably not its main weakness! What equivalent cameras are you comparing it to?
(By the way, the size is nothing to do with the rangefinder mechanism - the MP is thinner. I agree it's too thick by the way, but I'm sure Leica will make it thinner when technology allows.)
Well, one thing's for sure. This sure brings out the True Believers in the religion of Leica, and all the usual nonsensical articles of faith.
Of course the IQ difference is dubious, that is not the question. The whole point of the Leica is the shooting experience and discretion. I don't have an M9 but I would if I could. My manual-transmission BMW gets me to the same place as an automatic WRX, only slower, but I enjoy driving the BMW more.
I understand where you're going with that, but to me IQ is everything. The only 'experience' important to me is how the shot actually looks after I take it and PP it (or don't).
A camera to me is a tool. Can it do what I need it to do, correctly, and at what cost?
Leica loses every single time by that measure.
Then maybe take a look on good Leica photos and not on some studio comparison. Cause this is pretty far from reality..
Yeah. I have done that. That's why I'll never be a big enough sucker to by anything by Leica and pretend there's some magical, pixie-dust quality that it can achieve that others can't.
There's not such a thing as an automatic WRX, and if there was, who would buy an automatic WRX?
There have been multiple versions of the WRX automatic. Clearly enough people bought the original 4 speed auto for them to keep the auto option in the current model.
(FYI - Put-downs generally work better when they're not completely untrue. 5 seconds on Google can help with this.)
Tanngrisnir, it is a feeling of control and being fluent with and connected to your camera. It also depends on what you shoot. If you're shooting people candidly, the discretion of a Leica or a small camera is invaluable. People confuse DSLRs with weapons.
DPR mneeds to include D3x. D3s is not same market. And D3x, in the original samples, had the best overall IQ of any camera DPR had tested, including 1Ds3 and 5DII
Excellent comparison dpreview, especially against the d3s, quantity verses quality at its finest. That infamous Leica look lasts to iso 400 in these samples at a pixel level, thereafter one cannot swim in the Kodak models eyes. From iso 800 the Nikon low light performance strides ahead, all be it with a continuing sterile brisk walk.
Leica continues to be beautiful gear, mockingly simple and effective - my Mercedes may not be as fast as a Subaru WRX, though its still wonderfully timeless to drive her and feel the rich ambiance along the way. I had similar feeling viewing this compassion between the Nikon and the Leica offerings.
Thanks for posting this. I had the M9 loaded in the shopping cart at B&H and was a split second away from hitting "buy" when I saw this post. You just saved me $7K and countless thousands for lenses.
Seriously though, for $7K I was at least expecting parity with image quality. I understand the "feel" of the camera and how well it's put together and the look of it and all, and if you're a long time Leica shooter, this may make sense to you. But I'd be interested in seeing how many new adopters that Leica gets now a days in relation to people just staying with the system because they have so much invested in lenses.
I was being sarcastic about buying the M9...thought my snarky comment was pretty obvious.
I don't own any Leica gear. I've admired it when I was shooting film, but even then I couldn't afford it. And as for Leica lenses being so great, I can't argue that...but only if there were some sort of adaptors to use them on lesser expensive camera's that have better sensors....hmmm...someone should do that.
Yeah, was being sarcastic there too.
Someone will, Ricoh probably. They did APS-C now and its decent. When and if they make FF, it will be really interesting..
I'm so sorry, i keep assuming sarcasm translates over to posts but it's clear that it doesn't.
I was trying to be cute by saying "if only there were some sort of adaptors". Of course there are, with the Leica M mount probably having the largest amount of adaptors on various cameras new and old. You can get them for Canon, Nikon, Sony NEX, etc etc. The problem with all those digital cameras is they all contain AA filters and the resolving power of the Leica's get kind of lost a bit. But this may just be subjective.
If DPreview wants to be fair with M9, then they should re-shoot with 35 or 50mm lens. Cheap options are Zeiss/Voigtlaender, both have some plenty sharp lens.
If there are some problems with accuracy of focusing, Leica is able to match lens+ body focusing accuracy for desired F-stop.
Are you saying that Leica's $1600 75mm f2.5 lens used at f11 can't image detail as well as other lenses? Why would a 35 or 50mm lens be sharper than a 75mm lens? The image looks to be accurately focused.
Did you not read that DPReveiw tests full frame sensors using 75-85mm lenses in order to have similar reproduction ratios as APS cameras using 50mm glass?
Besides this test represents controlled shooting. In the real world usage one is not always focusing perfectly and camera and subject movement also come into play?
I have quite a lot of M9 photos and on pixel level they really dont look like this, so something is wrong. I dont argue about high ISO, DR or anything else, but in real life photos are sharp enough that you dont need to sharpen them up (cause no AA).
This is what Leica means and can do (in right hands). I would recommand visiting that guy personal web, its very enlightening about "why would anyone buy Leica".
There are few ways to get similar look, but its not cheap or easy..
I see nothing in particular in those shots (while they're nice) that I couldn't get with a 5D or higher end Nikon
Some very nice captures indeed.
But e.g. Carl Rytterfalk can do comparable shots with a 150 bucks DP1/2. So again, it's 95% the photographer and not the tool... ;)
Anyway, a M9 or whatever Leica is sure nice to have.
Nothing there you couldn't get on another camera. The cost just isn't justified in the final image. No matter how you spin it, the final image is what cuts through everything.
Now, if using the Leica "inspires" the photographer to do better in his mind, that's something that can't be measured. But this camera falls short in just it's basic imaging compared to other full frame cameras. Sorry if that's a bitter pill to swallow, but there it is.
While DP1/2 are from that few cameras that Sigma did right, you certainly cant print same size as from 18 mpix FF.
And otherwise, if nobody is able to see difference, then I guess that how ppl see photos is really very individual.
I answered to your links of web sized M9 pictures showing "what Leica means and can do".
Those links are nice, but they show nothing that can't also be done with, let's say a DP1/2 and shown in web sized samples of similar resolution.
Of course no question that the M9 files can be printed a lot bigger and still remain decent.
A Leica M9 is for romantics. You struggle with an M9, but kind of love the struggle.
It's rather a piece of jewelry some need, others like.
OK, there's the glass, unbeaten, but then again, some take better shots with an iPhone.
i dont struggle with the M9 and its not a piece jewelry...cheer up.
In my opinion some folks are missing the M9 point. The way the camera handles is superb, the process of actually taking a photograph is a much better experience that shows in the pictures.
The M9 doesnt feel like a computer.. and that for me has reawakened my love of photography. Oh and the quality of the pictures from most of the lenses is almost mystical.
I actually owned the M8 for quite a while and altought I loved rangefinder focusing, everything else in terms of ergonomics is horrible. The boxy body, the menus, the controls, aweful. A rangefinder camera with an ergonomic grip and modern menu system would be something...
If you already have the preview as well as the studio shots, why on earth can't you take the time to finish the full review?
These results are with 4 different lenses in addition to the bodies.
To be fair to the Leica, it uses the 75mm summarit, not exactly the sharpest in the M optics line. At $1595, it's one of the cheapest. of course, it's still considerably more than the canon 50 1.4 used, but equal in cost to the Sony Zeiss 85 1.4, which is probably the sharpest lens used in the tests.
considering all this, the results of the fujifilm x100 with the cheap built in lens is quite good even up against the full frame players.
Do you really think a more expensive Leica 75mm or 50mm lens will be significantly sharper when used at f11? Doesn't this test push the M9's sensor and image processing up to or very close to its limits? In real world shooting you will have to be pretty locked down to achieve this.
Interesting. Placed against current developments in camera processors, sensor technology and lens design, I suspect that the Leica has become nothing more than a technological curio. There is nothing that a Leica can do as well as FF cameras half its price.
Except having no AA, CCD based sensor with its pros/cons and being rangefinder.
And able to use Leica M lens, which unlike this black sheep they used for test, are best of FF lens (or same as Zeiss).
Apparently the AA filter stuff is overblown. Consider that the M9 also has more color aliasing on fine straight edges that degrades resolution a bit. This is like a slight color moire which can be corrected in some software such as Capture One. But it still won't give the M9 the ability to resolve more than the 5DII.
Tests by Erwin Puts show the Summarit 75 to be a fine performer that is actually crisper than the Summicron at f11.
"Summarit and Summicron 75
Wide open the Summicron at /2 has better overall definition than the Summarit at /2.5. The Summicron offers a half stop advantage above the Summarit and holds this advantage till f/4.0 and from then on the Summarit has somewhat crisper imagery. The Summicron has very even performance till the far edges and corners, whereas the Summarit drops slightly in performance at this part of the image."
See his report:
compare Fuji X100 at any iso with leica m9, canon 5d m2, nikon d3s. surprise, surprise
Its APS-C, its fixed focal length and lens on that are just "decent". It cant match certain Canon L lens, or Nikkor G, not even thinking about Leica or Zeiss M.
X100 is a toy, it usefull for some things, but mostly its just a toy..
I see people who paid a premium being hurt in the butt by the x100 performance for the price... a toy sure...
I don't own one but I would have to be blind not to appreciate the very high IQ of the x100.
Now that they announced their system, I couldn't be happier, it sure will challenge even the best FF currently in production if not run over them. Look at the result they get from an aps-c, now imagine a larger sensor... ouch.
Yea with ton of quirks that Fuji always has...
Tho Im very curious about what they will do next, from what they said it will be 1.3x crop and regular lens mount, plus some pretty speical sensor. That will be interesting for me. And hopefully they will make camera operation bit less confusing. :D
Compare the manual focus capabilities of the X100 to the above cameras and get back to me.
The Sony 5N shows the leica a clean pair of heels, albeit with an adaptor Sony lens. Big price difference.
5DII kicks butt in the price to performance race & if you remove the AA filter definitely woop-ass
Just goes to prove that the whole IQ thing is just a joke. Try comparing some of the small sensor cameras, the difference is 1/2 a Gnats knacker. Especially as 99.999% of pics are used on the web at 800 x 600 and 72 dpi.
Even at 800x600 small sensor compacts are very obvious at ISO1600, m4/3 sized and above not so much.
I've put 3 cameras with different sensor sizes side by side (compact, m4/3, M9), who'd like to guess which is which? http://i.imgur.com/41xUL.jpg
And the difference obviously is 1/2 a Gnats knacker!! :-) Are they bonkers, do they mean us, well yes they do and have done since the first photographic one-upmanship magazine was published.
Very nice tool. Thank you guys for doing this. A valuable service!
hum... is money tight at the DPR office? whats with using the cheapest Leica lens you could find and whats the reason for shooting it at f11.
why not something middle of the road like a 50mm Summicron or an ASPH lens
Actually you dont need to spend that much money on lens. No problem with using Cosina made lens (Zeiss/Voigtlaender). Sure it lacks Leica rendering, but Zeiss has its own and Voigtlaender to certain degree too. And they are sharp, really sharp..
very bad work. Look at Queens card. It is in focus others not. Look at Mickey - out of focus others OK. Very unprofessional or .....
HI There
I must say, it seems to me that varying focus points make comparisons pretty difficult - as you say, this is focused much further back than some of the other cameras.
Thanks for these. The low ISO looks really good, however no better than Nikon D3S. ISO 1600 is surprisingly close to 5D MKII.
For about the same money, you can get a D3x, the SD1, an M9 or a 645D.
If I was ever going to pay that kind of money for a camera, it would be either the 645D or M9.
For about the same money you'll pay for a Ferrari, you can get 20 Yaris, and go at the same speed both in the city and on the highways. Yet, I'll drive a Ferrari if I could...
and you have an internet account instead of writing on paper because your are insecure and want to tell every one?
Appearances matter, like it or not. The guy driving the Ferrari gets a second glance, if for nothing else. No one remembers seeing the Yaris. Brands, labels, and logos are hardly less potent than music, incantations, idols, drumbeats, or libido. All are magic to incite the passions. But you pay to play, and no one who pays will easily admit that a Yaris or Corolla make more sense.
Yet someone driving, say a Fiat 500 or a MINI also gets a second glance - even a Citroen DS3 does. Three good looking and handling cars. Something doesn't have to be the most expensive just to be both capable and desirable.....
Enough of the car analogies.
"The shots, actually taken with an M9-P, should not be seen as a signal of a full review of the camera..."
Why not? You obviously have one in the studio. Many of us would love to see a full DPReview of the M9...
And of course they know that. So perhaps "contractual obligations" are to blame?
What on earth does that mean? Contracts with who that say what?
This is supposed to be an independent review site.
If I had a dollar for every time someone suggested we're on the dole of company X to criticize or not review a product from company Y, I could retire and live very well on an island in the Mediterranean.
The answers are just not as nefarious or intriguing as you suggest. In this case, we had, I repeat, had the M9 for about a week.
The sensor quality looks comparable to Nikon D7000 or Sony NEX 5N.
---"so why then did you use a 50mm on the 5DMKII"---
Ahhh, excellent question. One we are investigating.
The answer is that we didn't - the EXIF reveals they were shot with the 85mm F1.4 (as fits our standard practice). The data had been incorrectly entered into our comparison tool and should now be correct.
Couple of points to save some of you from digging through hidden replies.
1. The EXIF data from the M9 does not report the correct aperture. As stated in the Camera Settings pop-up at the bottom right of the crop window for the M9, the scene was shot at f11.
2. With full frame sensors we typically shoot in the 75-85mm range for consistency against other sensor sizes. That is why we shot the M9 with the 75 Summarit.
Cause Canon 85mm f1.2 isnt good enough? :D Seriously doubt that, its excellent lens.
Unless they used 50mm macro on 5DMK2 or 50mm f1.2 L, then they hurted Canon performace, cause rest of their 50mm is crap..
Nice to hear the M9 studio shots were added.
Whatever the result, I'm looking forward to the SD1 review and the studio shot comparison.
That was about time !
I still wonder if I am drunk or it's the reality.
Since you also have Nex-7, plans to add that too? (preferably with the emount 50mm 1.8)
Hi guys, I will buy a Pentax K5 for sure. I checked the upper corners (left and right, at 200 and 1600 ISO), the dark side of the box containing those threads too, and the K5 is consistently awesome. yup. THIS will be my first camera.
the K5 samples look like mush, is anything even close to being sharp or detailed in those sample shots
"the K5 samples look like mush, is anything even close to being sharp or detailed in those sample shots"
Yes, the K5 focus appears to be on the red queen in the background, which is sharp. Compared to the 5D MkII red queen which is out of focus. So who is going to declare that the 5D MkII sample looks like mush compared to the K5?
As pointed out in a few other posts here, the focus point isn't consistent between some of these samples which makes it difficult to accurately use this studio scene feature as intended as a direct comparison.
Why has the A77 been removed from the tool?
Reshot with a later firmware?
They should be restored - no one here is quite sure why they had disappeared.
Perhaps they were taken away so that they could be reshot with the focus a bit close to the front (only the queen card was truly in focus with the old shots).
Am I seeing excessive chroma noise at high ISO ?
Say it ain't so Leica.
CCD sensor from Kodak, thats why..
Otherwise, its usable up to ISO 1000, if you dont pixel peep. Chroma noise isnt much issue, luminace noise is..
I've been rolling on the floor laughing since I read that dpreview is going to compare the SD-1 to the M9. I've only paused long enough to type this.
I shall now resume laughing.
Thank you.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is supposed to be so funny about that comparison?
nothing funny. i own an m9 but its hard pressed to expect any camera to beat Sd1 in these comparison at 100% pixel peep
I'm still laughing, only much harder now. The nice men in the white coats will arrive any minute now to haul me away...
For me the Panasonic G3 sure looks good at all ISOs against the Leica M9 which costs over $6000 more!
Plenty of cameras are good against M9 when you think about higher ISO than base one. But only few are good against M9 at base one, tho thats mostly because lens and no AA.
This is what i've come to expect although it isn't demonstrated in this comparison - the M9 looks no sharper than the 5D2.
Quite possibly because they shot the Leica at F16?
F16 is over diffraction limit for M9 (cause no AA, diffraction kicks in sooner, tho its not like its "sooner" but more likely its simply visible sooner than on sensors with AA). And seriously, shooting this on F16 is plain stupid.
Plus they really should choose different lens (50mm Summicron at least, cheaper way would be Zeiss, its plenty sharp too).
M9 photos are way sharper than those samples..
Mescalamba, I agree that shooting at f16 would be a problem which is why we didn't. We shot at f11 as it states in the Camera Settings pop-up at the bottom right of the image crop. As I have already stated, the M9 does not provide accurate EXIF data from the lens. In fact, if you have a robust EXIF reader you will actually see two fields for aperture values. One says f16 the other says f8. Neither are correct.
And saying that 'M9 photos are way sharper than these samples', would hold more meaning if you had actually ever shot our studio scene. Perhaps what you really mean is that in real world use, the M9 with a 75 Summarit is plenty sharp. And I would not disagree.
As has been pointed out, we typically shoot full frame cameras with a 75-85mm focal length for consistency against other sensor sizes.
set the iso in the test above to 1600, then move the selector to the queen face in the card.
Now...look at the leica. It did well.
You would be hard pressed to find difference between studio shot from D3X and A900.
Well there will be a big difference at high ISO no doubts about that but I am curious about low ISO res. deference between D3x and the rest of the bunch including a900 (also new A77) and as you say I will be pressed to find the difference but still it would be nice to be able to
Having shot the D3x, A900 and 5Dmkii, I strongly disagree with the notion that they are the same. The D3x files have clarity and detail beyond the other two. I chaulk it up to less noise than the other two and what looks like either an over-strong (or maybe just cheap?) AA filter or maybe some NR being performed in camera on the raw files on the A900.
NR disabled and RAW only is mandatory with A900, otherwise it simply doesnt work as it should. D3X has around 1/3 eV advantage of A900, which really isnt much..
Step that you wont be able to use unless you know how and most ppl cant. You can squeeze same DR from A900.
People who buy (not me) this camera probably do
To me good camera it's about choice, with D3x you have more room for pp so more choice
They have same room for PP. D3X and A900 have identical sensor (no, this one isnt designed by Nikon and made by Sony, but both made and designed by Sony). Only difference is CFA (Nikon has one optimized for SNR, Sony has for colors) and RAW denoising, which Nikon has better, but at expense of details. On other hand Sony A900 RAW denoising is unusable, but if you disable it, you get more per-pixel quality.
Those differences are very very small, and in real life, those cameras are pretty much identical in performance. Real difference is made by lens.
...my experience has been the opposite. I've never gotten as much detail out of A900 shots at any NR setting. More than the CFA, I think the A900 uses too strong of an AA filter. Then again, I've hit moire with the D3x at times, so it's a trade off. I prefer the extra detail in the D3x files, since that's when I'm looking for when using it in the first place.
DPR states that you can't turn off a900's NR for raws
also for DPR and IR (for my eyes to) D3x is clear winner for IQ
and I can't understand how can you squeeze 1 step of DR difference just by applying RAW NR
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And? Do you see game reviewers say they launched up latest cod and somebody called them a faggot, game score 4/10? Do you think there's a magic button the game developers can press to make the community better? Let's forget about working on the tutorials and new hero ports, let's just ban everyone this shitkid pizzashark reports and him too when he finally snaps and rages at someone, that way we'll have a dead game in no time.Not for every game, but for a game like Dota, where you're stuck in a game with four other people for 30-45 minutes and are punished for leaving early? Yeah, I think it matters, enough so that I think the game's score should take the community into account.
No, it's because you're just as bad as everyone you ever reported but pretend like you're better than them. Like you're entitled to cleaner community when all you do is bitch and moan about it and abuse the report system.
Yes, you should tolerate harassment to some degree or stay away from communicating with anonymous strangers. Or if you actually get pissed off at a mild comment that moderately offends your supposed gaming skill and want to waste someones time reviewing another piece of shit report you should just play with bots. Probably better than your normal hell tier MM too if LPQ is better. In your case you should probably stay away from communicating with anyone, for their sake.Counts as harassment. Are you saying that harassment should be tolerated?
Last edited by Hermanni; 2012-09-23 at 06:28 PM.
Do you think gaming communities will be better if the developers simply don't give a shit, if they don't make any effort to try and weed out the douchebags and griefers? Do you really think that there'd be as much tolerance or apathy towards it if people really knew, knew, the dev cared enough to take action against people that can't be civil?
You talk a lot of shit for someone who's never even known me. I don't fucking rage at people, I don't fucking attack them like you do. If I have a problem with them, I mute them and report them and continue on my way. It's not worth getting angry or even mildly irritated over. That doesn't mean I think it's something that's not worth working towards doing something about.No, it's because you're just as bad as everyone you ever reported but pretend like you're better than them. Like you're entitled to cleaner community when all you do is bitch and moan about it and abuse the report system.
I like how you actually think there's an MMR system in place, or that it means jack shit. I guess if you crave the need to feel superior to people, it's there. Otherwise, I've noticed no difference between first page games and my games other than my games don't have the occasional odd pro player drop in to poop on everyone.Yes, you should tolerate harassment to some degree or stay away from communicating with anonymous strangers. Or if you actually get pissed off at a mild comment that moderately offends your supposed gaming skill and want to waste someones time reviewing another piece of shit report you should just play with bots. Probably better than your normal hell tier MM too if LPQ is better. In your case you should probably stay away from communicating with anyone, for their sake.
At any rate, I'm really wondering why you're so apathetic about people not having any fucking civility or decency in games. Do you think that because you're sitting in front of a computer screen, you aren't interacting with other people? Or do you lie to yourself and everyone else and act like a massive twat online because you know you're shielded by anonymity?
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It can be fun, but there's a line between taking the piss out and actively attacking someone.
It's pretty simple to understand where that line is: would you say what you want to say to someone's face?
Pff, everyone knows to stay at least 1500 range away from Pudge when they feel the need to say something in allchate.g. my friend is playing mid pudge so i start talking to his opponent
while hes responding pudge can easily hook him ;p
I like your subtle implication that there isn't one and that it doesn't work when anyone who's played the game knows better.
I don't think much of myself as a player, but my method of improving the community consists of trying to set a good example in the games I play in, reporting people who actually should be reported, and I get the pop-up fairly often when I've done so. Which I'm sure is 1000 times more productive than moaning on forums because the community its sooo toxic all fucking scumbag douchebags and trolls and russians fuck this gameid see this guy feeds and blames teams fuck that guy why is he allowed to play the game why can scumbags breathe same air as me fuck report so toxic why doesn't valve ban everyone to stop this toxic thing i mean my face is so poisonously toxic fuuuuuck.
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You really are overly obsessed with this Manni.
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Well you get an MMR penalty for queueing with friends, it gets worse as team size gets bigger. The front page of games is nearly guaranteed to be teams of 4 or 5. It's always nice, for me, to solo queue and see 450 spectators notification pop up and know that I just rolled my way into some annoying miniskrim.
If you have a team of 5 you don't have to be the best players to get the top page, but your MMR would still have to be reasonably high. Theoretically that means you are at least decent, if you see bad play in a top game it's more likely the person is just screwing around, in my opinion. I've definitely been in 800 spectator games where my entire team randomed and got four carries so SF decided to go aura/stats and buy support items/etc.
Most of my games someone on either team is just absolutely horrid and does not deserve to be in the game with the rest of us, that tends to be how matchmaking balances games. In my experience with page 1 games, though, there is rarely someone who just flat out doesn't fit skill wise. At least, more rare than page 2-10 games.
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I've seen evenly matched games but I've also seen a lot of games where there was a Leoric who skilled aura and crit before stun and built Sange and Yasha, or a Clockwerk that did nothing but feed and talked shit all game. I guess it's possible these types are just having a bad game, but it most of the time it seems like the mistakes and errors they're making aren't due to just a momentary lapse in judgement.
Same as hon, it's the shit tier players who claim MMR doesn't mean anything. Anyone who's played at multiple tiers can tell the difference and vaguely remembering seeing players who were "bad" in front page games doesn't really work as a basis for anything.
In HoN everything that had to do with MMR was visible, and when you went from the 1800 or 1900 rated games to your smurf account to play with your 1600 rated friend you'd see games full of people telling you about how MM is broken and rating doesn't mean anything and saying how even after 1500 games they were still 1600-rated only because their teammates were always bad. And I used to stomp with Juggernaut mid rushing blink dagger and aghanims every game at 80-90% winrate, something I couldn't do and get away with on my main account but hey, MMR didn't mean shit.
The fact that the numbers aren't there just makes people disillusioned as hell in dota 2. There was an interview with Eric Johnson in TI2 where he said he constantly gets email from people asking him to up their rating because they're always better than their teammates. He'd do that, upping them from say the 40th percentile up to the 60th and then he'd check back in a few weeks and they'd almost always be back right where they were before he upped their ratings.
Last edited by Hermanni; 2012-09-25 at 02:16 AM.
Can I email him and ask him to lower mine? I'm really tired of the massive tryhard at my MMR level and the fact that I can't play with ANY of my friends because the people we get matched with will flat out facestomp them. That's probably my biggest complaint, I guess. One player doing well is NOT equal to one player doing piss poor in a game.
I guess what I'd really prefer is AR to be added. So bored of the same 15 heroes in every single game.
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I know the feeling, some of my friends sometimes refuse to play with me because they don't want to get stomped on. Then again there really isn't a good solution to skill disparity to people you play with because if you get a smurf account it's really unfair to the people you play against.
I don't know about picking same 15 heroes though. I had a losing streak of 5 or 6 games and reverted to picking Clockwerk every game and won 8 games in a row or something, 2 or 3 them being frontpage games. The tryhard sentiment is pretty old though, I enjoy playing support and usually take it as a compliment.
Do you play AP? I pretty much play nothing but SD and RD... sometimes you get completely screwed and the enemy team gets naga and lycan or dark seer or profit while your team just got average picks, but generally it's more fun. I mostly avoid AP because it's harder for parties to cheese games when they can't be guaranteed their favorite picks.
I have started only playing SD but it's only marginally better. 30 heroes carded total out of only 90 in the game? Means a 1/3 chance you'll see invoker in the game because you know whoever gets him is just flat out going to pick him. I pretty much only random now unless I'm playing with friends (who I know are going to have a kda of 1:10 at best) and need to carry hard, I find if I can force everyone else to random as well my win rate goes up a lot.
I used to play RD in DotA but without all the heroes in the game it feels pointless.
Kind of answered your post too but I'll just add that I mostly see the same heroes in solo queue. Invoker especially is in every-single-game. Other extremely frequent picks are what you'd expect. Wolf, Furion, Morph, etc.
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It at least feels like there are fewer idiots in RD and SD, I don't know if it's true or not. Does seem like I get fewer BRs/RUs, but that's probably just wishful thinking.
And yeah, it sucks when SD screws you or your team on picks. Multiple times I've had three supports or three carries, and it's really frustrating if your team is already heavy on carries, or heavy on not-carries (I won't call them supports because few pubs are willing to actually play as a support.) That, or the enemy team will get much stronger heroes than your team got... it's really frustrating when the enemy team gets something like Naga (and that goddamn bullshit ulti) or a Lycan that knows what necrobook is and your team went full retard and picked Spiritbreaker and Bloodseeker.
Hey Bloodseeker is a great hero. A permanent silence for one of their casters and a "fuck you" ultimate. Combined as a support carry who's laning can't really be stopped.
I would argue SB is a great hero as well, his ganking is phenomenal, but good players can stop him from farming way too easily.
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I do think Bloodseeker is underrated, but compared to the strength of Naga (who has a "fuck your entire team" ultimate on a ridiculous cooldown at level 16) and a Lycan that knows what necrobook is?
SB would be a fantastic hero if BKB/Repel didn't completely counter him. His ulti needs to stun through BKB or something, I think he'd actually be a viable hero if that happened.
I will admit, the cooldown on Slithice ult at level 3 is just hilarious. The infamous sleep/TP scroll allows her to infinitely split push and you really just can't do anything about it when her ult has the same cooldown as the TP scroll.
I also agree that SB ult needs to stun BKBs even if it doesn't do damage anymore. I was surprised when you said it didn't, I could've sworn it did. I tested it and laughed pretty hard when I saw it did literally nothing but teleport him to the target. Still, as early as level 7 he can max his charge and become one scary ganker. Between charge and ult alone he can stun someone for near 5 seconds and provides allies with the movespeed to make following up on the chase, if they even survive that, easy. He also comes pre-equipped with enough tankability to survive a little bit of focus or tower diving as early as level 7. The second he hits 6 he should be getting kills across the map, hands down. Most heroes can't do a lot about it if his teammates are paying attention to the ganks.
Basically, what I'm hearing is that this current meta needs more gank carries =p
Farming heroes to get big used to be such a common trend. Luna, BS, SB, SA, Fletch, Weaver, Razor.
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SB would be a great pick if he fit into the meta better, and wasn't hard countered by magic immunity. MoM is really common on him, but in my opinion it's a lot better to get a quick BKB after the essentials so they can't stop you from charging them, and then follow that up with a Mjollnir for some magic damage, some AOE for pushing/counterpushing, and the attack speed. Maelstrom's really cheap so it could be a midway item to get between your essentials and finishing BKB.


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With many more advancements, and BARE's Legendary Anatomically Correct Patterning for a 3D-Shape, the BARE ELASTEK Full-STRETCH Line of Wetsuits offer you the Latest-Advancements without Compromise-to-Fit-and-Comfort. If you are a diver that appreciates the details in design and desires Unbelievable-Stretch that provides Complete-Freedom-of-Movement, this is your next suit.
Comfortable Contoured 3mm GLIDESEAL Collar with Velcro Adjustment and 360° degree Neck Seal Minimizes-Water-Entry through Neck/Zipper. Extended Molded Neck Tab with Friction Grip make Adjustments-a-Breeze and a Low Profile Hook Velcro that is Less-Abrasive to Suit Fabric. Full Length Embroidered Puller with Molded Grip Tab and a Grip Tab at the Base-of-the-Zipper; provide Smooth Trouble-Free Zipper Operation.
The BARE ELASTEK Suit has Set-In Sleeve Design and Seamless Underarms for Superior Comfort and Mobility with Embossed Inner Elbow and Back Knee Flex Panels. A 3mm Skin-In GLIDESKIN Wrist and Ankle Seals add Warmth and Double Glued with SECURE-LOCK Construction provides Strength and Durability. The BARE ELASTEK Suit is available in Black/Blue Color, comes in Multiple-Sizes and is covered by a 24 month limited warranty.
This product has a limited warranty of 25 months.
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