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Ajax 1995 v Manchester United 2008. WHO WINS? YOU DECIDE! Email firstname.lastname@example.com
Result: Manchester United 1-2 Ajax (agg 3-2)
WRAP: A few stats. United this season at home in cup competitions: P5 W1 D2 L2. It's their first European defeat at home since Besiktas won 1-0 in 2009. OK, two stats. But very little this evening will have made United fans feel any better about a season which is proving a maddeningly frustrating one on several fronts. The likes of Fernando Llorente and Iker Muniain will have identified faultlines in the United defence. Simply put, it's probably easier to score at Old Trafford in 2012 than it has been at any time in the last 10 years.
And speaking of the past, hope you liked our 1995 v 2008 simulcast. I have to say, of the emailers and tweeters predicting an outcome, it was split perfectly down the middle. Equal votes for both. Both great teams, but perhaps the fact that Ajax had beaten a legendary Milan side and United had scraped through on penalties against an Avram Grant XI swung it in the end. Will we be repeating the experiment? Absolutely, positively not.
Maurice Sampson: David Silver is not the only one to find the imaginary game a ruddy nuisance and distracting. Give us a bit of peace for the last few minutes at least.
Richie: You have, on occasions, been witty and erudite. Not tonight.
David Braddock: Hey Jonathan, I agree with the correspondent complaining about double coverage, I am in New York trying to follow the present game... less of the pretend stuff.
David Silver again: Please rest assured I will always now use a different website when I see your tagline. You clearly feel your readers are merely there for your entertainment.
David Silver 1995 again: What a finish! Precision and calmness! It's hard to believe Van der Sar is only 24 and 37!
Have a good night, everyone.
21.58 Ajax 1995 have won 2-1! Van der Sar 1995 with a long, long clearance, the ball is caught up in the wind, Van der Sar 2008 looks like he's got it covered, but the ball boucnes over his head and nestles in the back of the net! Look at these scenes! Just look at these completely imaginary scenes!
21.54 United were clinging on by the end, and given Ajax's volume of chances, a 3-1 scoreline wouldn't have disgraced the visitors. I'm still mystified as to how there were only two minutes of injury time, especially given that Ajax signal their substitutions by releasing a puff of white smoke from the dugout, which takes a good deal longer than a regular sub, for obvious reasons. Athletic Bilbao, who United play next in this competition, will have seen nothing there to perturb them. But! Back to Arcadia, where there's been a late, late winner! But for who?
FULL TIME Manchester United 1-2 Ajax (aggregate 3-2) So, what was that about English teams underperforming in Europe again?
90+1 min Welbeck gives the ball away on halfway. Rafael cleans up. The ball's pumped up the right channel, United win a throw, and they're almost home.
90 min Ozbiliz with a cross from deep. It's too far for everyone. How much injury time? TWO MINUTES? TWO MINUTES! That's a disgrace! We've seen six substitutions! That's three minutes at least!
88 min Jonny Evans has been booked for timewasting. Ajax now camped in the United half.
86 min GOAL! Manchester United 1-2 Ajax (Alderweilert)
What a finish in prospect! Absolutely decrepit marking from United at that set piece, and United are one goal away from being knocked out of Europe again! Free kick from Ozbiliz about 40 yards out. It's delivered to the back post, and to be honest either Daley Blind or Alderweilert could have headed it in. De Gea got firm hands to it, but could only direct the ball into the roof of his own net! United on the brink!
84 min Slack backward pass from Nani almost gives Klaassen a sniff, but Evans is in to head the ball away. For Ajax, Lodeiro has come off and Blind has come off. We now have the rather unfortunate situation of a D Blind playing in both games. Is there a way around that one? Sure there is. I've just sent off D Blind 1995 for a dangerous challenge on Carrick.
82 min Ajax are playing like a team who look like they've had their chance to claw their way back into the game, and haven't taken it. United have wrestled back control of the game.
80 min "Stop the pretend game!" writes David Silver. "The 'commentary' of the imaginary Manchester United v Ajax game is stupid. You're mixing it in with the real commentary and it is distracting and unnecessary. You want to do it, then preface each comment with a tag that it's obvious it's not the real game. For the majority of us who are having to read the site because we're at work and can't get to a TV it's a huge distracting annoyance." Meanwhile, David Silver 1995 writes: "Ronaldo looks like he'd rather be anywhere else but Arcadia tonight. Why don't we sign that wonderkid Obertan from Bordeaux?"
78 min Carlos Tevez has been substituted for United, but is refusing to sit on the bench. Alex Ferguson was too busy with his Spotify playlist to pay him much attention, but now Anderson is claiming Tevez is blocking his view of the game. All kicking off down there.
77 min Ajax preparing their final substitution. It's a dude with long straggly hair. I'm not going to pretend I recognise him. I'll let you know who he is when he comes on.
75 min Klaassen! What was he doing? He had the ball in space on the edge of the area, but with his back to goal! If he'd looked round, he would have realised he could turn and possibly shoot, but instead he played the ball back to nobody, and United were able to break again. Scorching pace from Welbeck on the left wing, and there are three in the area for him to aim for. He can't beat the first defender, though, Vertonghen, gratefully wrapping a right boot around the ball and clearing it out for a throw.
73 min Nani hits the bar! A thrilling break after Ozbiliz's attempted cross was cut out. Rafael did the leg work, getting the ball to Nani and then making the decoy run. Nani cut in on his left foot, shot with that foot, and Vermeer was not going to stop that. The ball juddered against the bar and disappeared into the stand behind.
71 min Owen Hargreaves has, unfortunately, gone off injured for United. Nani's on in his place. Kanu has come on for Litmanen, and hit the post within minutes of coming on. In, you know, real life, Welbeck replaces Berbatov.
69 min De Jong's pass back to Vertonghen is short, and Hernandez almost nicked the ball off him. He would have been almost clean through if he had. Danny Welbeck ready to come on.
67 min The introduction of Evans means Jones is now playing in central midfield. Here he is, exchanging passes with Park and then with Scholes. United instantly look more comfortable.
65 min Evans also came on for United along with Scholes. Young went off. Meanwhile, Wayne Rooney and Edgar Davids have both been booked after squaring up to each other in the centre circle.
63 min Smoke is billowing across the pitch. Quite thick smoke, too. The likeliest explanation is that one of the Ajax fans has let off a flare. The second likeliest explanation is that Wayne Rooney has finally managed to lay his hands on a packet of Marlboro Reds.
62 min Ajax 1995 have equalised! Finidi George shaking off Evra and cutting inside from the right. Vidic gets the initial tackle in, but the ball comes back to Finidi, who slams the ball home from a tight angle.
60 min Ozbiliz prowls the edge of the area, looking for a gap to get the shot away. Rafael gets the foot in and defuses the immediate danger. It is Eriksen who comes off, to be replaced by Serero. Meanwhile, Scholes replaces Cleverley, who's borne a remarkable resemblance to Darron Gibson tonight.
58 min Brilliant save from David de Gea! That's a sensational point-blank stop as Eriksen swung a corner in from the left. Bullet header from De Jong at the near post, and De Gea hardly had time to react! Paul Scholes has drained his cuppa, stripped off his tracksuit and is ready to make his entrance.
57 min Again Ajax scythe down the left. Again the cut back. Ozbiliz with the shot this time! It deflects off Jones and behind! Ajax are piling on the pressure here!
56 min Word coming from the Ajax bench that Eriksen is about to be taken off. But here he is down the left, shuffling into the penalty area, looking for the man in the area. And there he is! Lodeiro blasts over the bar from 10 yards! Oooooh, good chance!
55 min Eriksen gives the ball away in the United half, and again United break with the long ball to Hernandez in the right channel. Klaassen scurries after him like an attentive butler, and the momentum is lost as the ball goes back to Cleverley.
53 min Alderweireld allowed to run the ball into the United half with nary a hair out of place. He's also allowed to find Eriksen 30 yards out, who in turn is allowed to swivel and face goal. Sulejmani's haring past a sleepy Rafael, and Eriksen plays an excellent through ball into his path, but Rafael switches on just in time, and just about gets to the ball first.
52 min Over the top for Fabio, who's got space to run into down the left. He tries to cut the ball back towards the penalty spot. Vertonghen, I think it is, who scrapes it away off-balance.
51 min "Nice to see Ajax score with a lange-afstands raket (long range rocket)," writes Marc in Norfolk. "Fond memories of a Hollish tradition of such goals. The Haan brothers, Jonny Metgod and other 'shmoke and pancake' merchants. I prefer the German Distanzhammer as a description, although the Geordie 'blammer' is also a favourite."
49 min Burst of pace from Sulejmani down the left-hand side! He drills the cross in low and hard, and Fabio slips! Ozbiliz and de Jong were interested for a fleeting second, but Fabio recovered his footing and poked it away.
48 min Quiet opening at Old Trafford. But a lightning start to the second half in the night's other game, and it's Ajax 1995 0-1 Manchester United 2008! Rooney after a neat one-two with Scholes on the edge of the area. Rijkaard didn't track the run, and it was a cool finish from Rooney.
46 min "Surely the encounter would have disastrous consequences?" writes Si England. "Van Der Sar meeting his younger self would create a time paradox, the results of which would cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum, and destroy the entire universe. Therefore Kuszczak would have to play for United and that would ruin the game."
21.07 We're under way again.
21.04 Right, just time to bring you up to speed on events in Arcadia, where it's Ajax 1995 0-0 Manchester United 2008 at the break. It was a fairly cagey opening, actually, as Louis van Gaal despatched Seedorf to do a man-marking job on Ronaldo. Few chances at either end, although Overmars should probably have done better with a sharp shot from an angle that Van der Sar 2008 managed to push behind at his near post. Litmanen with a couple of shots from distance. Scholes with a 25-yard piledriver after a corner was pulled back to the edge of the box, just over the bar. Blind's been booked for a foul on Rooney. The two Van der Sars were seen flicking through old family albums at the half-time interval and comparing hairstyles.
20.55 Ajax have been the better side. That honestly just dawned on me as I began to type that sentence. They've passed it around more confidently, they've been the better looking side, and they've fashioned openings more consistently. United have been content to hit on the break, and have had a little joy that way, but they're not exactly revving. They're not exactly gelling either. I'm not sure Park Ji-Sung always knows where Cleverley is, nor Cleverley Park.
HALF-TIME Manchester United 1-1 Ajax (agg 3-1)
45 min Rafael with a throw on the right. He's got the ball behind his head, but then just skips a step to his right to make up a little ground. And then some more, and then some more. Then he pretends to direct one of his team-mates. Then he steals a few more yards. I reckon he's nicked about 12 yards there. Have we just decided we're not bothered about this any more because both teams do it, it's part of the game, it's not intentional, space as a dimension is overrated anyway, etc?
44 min Long ball out to Berbatov on the left. Berbatov's playing a little too selflessly, if you ask me. The man cemented his legend by consistently scoring more goals than he made runs. It'd be terrible if he reinvented himself as a team player just as his first-team appearances became ever scarcer. "Perhaps Lil' Sweet Pea is King of falling with indignation," writes Tim Miller, "but it's a split decision. Cristiano Ronaldo has a strong claim to that title."
43 min "I actually enjoy the diving," writes Steve Curley. "The athleticism and agility involved is underrated. Not to mention risk of injury. So after reading Clive Mingham's email I actually turned my TV on to see more diving."
42 min Lodeiro with a sweet, sweet turn and a long diagonal ball looking for Sulejmani. It's cut out. United break themselves with Cleverley, whose shot from 18 yards is beaten away by Vermeer.
40 min Someone calling themselves The Lung (because they're full of hot air, tee hee?) from Chicago writes: "I've been hearing a lot about the Glazers' good work over in Manchester. Glad he's been taken in by all concerned. There's a lot of excitement about the Manchester Uniteds over here. Go The Manchester!"
39 min Hernandez with a weak shot as United's fans urge their team forward. Vermeer gathers easily.
37 min GOAL! Manchester United 1-1 Ajax (Ozbiliz)
Fabulous goal by Ajax! Could this be Crystal Palace all over again? It's a great move, the ball played across by Sulejmani on the left, De Jong touching it on to Lodeiro who touches it on to Ozbiliz. Ozbiliz lines up the shot with his left foot and smears it past De Gea into the corner. Nothing De Gea could have done about that, except maybe costing £100,000 and calling himself Joe Hart.
36 min Right across the face of United's goal! Just a touch from any one of about six players would have sufficed!
35 min Koppers gets down the left and sends in a cross on the run. It's headed away, but Ajax have been given a free-kick for an ill-timed chop by Cleverley. Koppers has stayed on the ground, off the pitch, and Ajax will resume with 10 men and a corner.
34 min Eriksen spreads the ball left, gets it back, spreads it right. De Jong with the cross. It's a disgrace.
33 min Rafael, by the way, has been booked for a lusty challenge on Lodeiro a few minutes ago.
32 min Ajax finally have the ball in the United net, but Lodeiro was at least a yard offside afer latching onto De Jong's through ball.
31 min Berbatov! He gets the ball near the corner of the six yard box, and unselfishly tries to slide the ball across goal. Hernandez can't quite get there. It's a corner, though. Ajax fans launching into a chant of 'There's Only One Luis Suarez'. Can of worms, meet can opener.
30 min Ajax win the ball near the halfway line. Lodeiro reels towards the United area, but he and Ozbiliz are outnumbered about six on two. Won back.
27 min Our resident stats man (not really resident; he actually lives in Hertfordshire) John Ley goes for 2-1 to Ajax 95. "Such style in that side," he writes.
26 min Cross from the Ajax right, and De Gea is at full stretch to palm that away! I hesitate to say he needed to be at full stretch, seeing as no blue shirt was going to get near it and it was passing straight out the other side of the area. Still, great athleticism. Oh, and he almost palmed it straight to the feet of Sulejmani. Still, great athleticism. Also, he left himself out of position. Still.
25 min Ajax actually seeing more of the ball, but the tempo just seems to have eased a touch. That suits... the live blogger who wants to print an email from Clive Mingham, which unfolds thus:
Rafael's dive was a disgrace. Diving is killing the game as it becomes ever more justified as 'professional' behaviour by managers and pundits alike. I've just turned off the TV in disgust.
Bet you made a really unimpressed noise as you did so, eh Clive?
24 min "My mum was a big fan of Ajax in 1995," writes Simon Coombs. "But then she discovered that Flash cleans baths without scratching."
I'd expect nothing less, really. Not much more, but certainly nothing less.
23 min Ozbiliz! First real bit of quality from Ajax! De Gea with a good save, plucking the ball out of the air when it would have been easy to parry the ball back into his goalmouth. It was a cunning little swivel and turn from Ozbiliz on the right hand side of the area, and possibly Ajax's best chance so far.
22 min De Jong now, cutting in from the left at pace. United look content to let him run, and you can see why when he gets within sight of goal, tries to fire it in low, and barely tests De Gea.
19 min And now Rafael with a left-footed shot from 20 yards! Not exactly a midfield battle, this. Vermeer saves low.
18 min A chance for Sulejmani! That was an incisive Ajax break which just fizzled out rather. Eriksen carried the ball towards the edge of the area, played it left to Sulejmani, Sulejmani paused on the ball and then tried to shoot from 20 yards, but well over.
15 min Hernandez! United should have gone 2-0 up there! They broke with lightning precision, Fabio scampering over the halfway line and releasing Hernandez. With the angle tightening, he looked to slide it across to Berbatov, only for Alderweireld to get a foot on the ball and nudge it clear.
14 min Ajax with a corner on the right hand side this time. Ozbiliz delivers to the near post, and Vertonghen is just beaten at the near post. Another corner. To the back post this time by Ozbiliz, and this time it's too long.
12 min There's Stuart Pearce in the crowd! And there, separately, is Harry Redknapp in the crowd! With Graham Taylor in the commentary box for Channel 5, that's England managers past, present and future.
11 min United are playing a good deal of long balls, which attests not to a paucity of ideas, but a simple impatience. They've seen how inept Ajax's defence is, and they just want to test it out ASAP.
9 min Rafael claims a penalty! Long diagonal ball which he brings down expertly with his left shoulder, and for a second it looks as though he might have snuck ahead of Koppers and had a free run at goal. But the ball squirms away from him, at which point Rafael simply throws himself to the floor with disgraceful opportunism. And disgraceful technique, too. He needs to have a word with Chicharito, who remains the undisputed king of falling with indignation.
8 min "MAN UTD WUD WIN OVER AJAX 2DAY, IN 1995 OR ANYTIME COZ THEY ARE THE BEST," writes Randolf Ngulube. Randolf, would you like a job as a Match of the Day pundit?
6 min GOAL! Manchester United 1-0 Ajax (Hernandez)
Ajax continue where they left off in Amsterdam! An elementary error in their own half, allowing Park to sneak in and win the ball. Berbatov is given room to turn and pick out Hernandez on the edge of the area. He darts back inside Vertonghen and finishes the ball coolly past Vermeer!
5 min Berbatov wins the ball in midfield and tries to slide it through for Hernandez's diagonal run. Hernandez clatters into the back of Vertonghen and then collapses in a heap after the Belgian. Well, he was in the area. Simple reflex.
4 min Rafael's header away, and Nani collects the ball in the opposite corner flag. He's under pressure, but manages to slide the ball across to Jones, who completes the clearance.
3 min United clear an Ajax corner from the left, but as Eriksen tries to curl the ball back in left-footed, he wins another corner.
2 min "Ajax still have a chance," writes Don Haughton, "depending on which De Gea is in goal tonight. Will it be De Goat or De Great?" An early Ajax goal, or indeed any Ajax goal, would make things a little bit interesting.
1 min Anita wins the ball in midfield, but there's nobody running onto his through ball. Nani takes the ball down the left, and his cross his scrambled away by Ajax! Brisk start by United.
20.05 The teams are out. United to kick off. They're in red, Ajax in light blue.
20.01 Ji-Sung Park is standing at the front of the United queue in the tunnel. It is fair to say he does not exude captaincy. He looks thoroughly absorbed in his own thoughts. He's holding the ceremonial pennant quite gingerly, almost as if someone's blown their nose into it.
19.58 Meanwhile, Mark Ogden at Old Trafford has news of a semi-hilarious, semi-irritating Uefa cock-up. And the result of one the games in the competition that resulted from that massive Uefa cock-up.
19.54 "Owen Hargreaves has injured himself in the pre-match warm-up and will not be in the United starting XI..." writes MC Kenna. Haaah.
19.40 "Ajax would have spread Manchester United at the back," writes Matthew Schotting. "Right-back that year was still a sticking point for us, Brown would have had a torrid time with either winger. In that same vein, how does Ajax cover Ronaldo sprinting in from the wing? Manchester United's midfield should have their hands full with the midfield of Ajax. That holder in front of the Ajax back three (Rijkaard) would be able to handle moving laterally and covering for most of the match. Having watched both of these teams and following them throughout the matches they both played in Europe I give the slight edge to Ajax '95, 2-1. Only wonder why you had Ronald playing in the CF spot, that was more Kanu if I remember correctly."
Yeah, Kanu or Kluivert. Still, I believe Ronald did start that game up front. Meanwhile, from Andy Holgate:
"Some legends in there, makes you think Wonder whatever happened to Carlos Tevez? You never hear of him these days."
19.20 Phil Jones will captain United tonight. Phil Jones is only 20. Those two facts, taken in tandem, really are rather stunning. Not even Duncan Edwards captained United that young. Then again, Duncan Edwards never played in a Europa League dead rubber.
19.15 Here, then, are your real teams.
Man Utd (4-4-2): De Gea; Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Fabio; Nani, Park, Cleverley, Young; Hernandez, Berbatov.
Subs: Amos, Evra, Evans, Giggs, Carrick, Scholes, Welbeck.
Ajax (4-3-3): Vermeer; Van Rhijn, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Koppers; De Jong, Anita, Eriksen; Ozbiliz, Lodeiro, Sulejmani.
Subs: Cillessen, Ebecilio, Ooijer, Blind, Serero, Aissati, Klaassen.
Referee: Damir Skomina (Slovenia)
19.05 The current Ajax team, as we saw on their home turf last week, is such a painfully poor shadow of Ajax's former self that it almost seems fraudulent, like when The Doors decided to carry on without Jim Morrison and hoped nobody would notice. Their chances of overturning a 2-0 deficit at Old Trafford tonight and thus qualifying for the last-16 of the Europa League ('Because UEFA Cares, Even If You Don't') would appear to be roughly equivalent to the chances of putting a potato and a tomato into a blender and hoping it'll pour out a Bloody Mary: not physically impossible, but certainly too unlikely to put money on. United, meanwhile, are still quite good, but still nowhere near becoming a 'great' United side. Although I have to say Jonny Evans really is growing on me. As a defender, and as a man.
So tonight we slosh in the still warm pool of yesteryear. Let's remember the greatness. The Ajax side that beat AC Milan in the 1995 Champions League final. The 2008 United team that set a new high watermark for English football in Moscow. But let's not only remember them, let's play them off against each other. Let's create a fixture between the two sides using nothing but our imaginations, on a pristine pitch, with both teams supernaturally in their prime. This does mean the 24-year-old Edwin van der Sar coming face-to-face with the 37-year-old Edwin van der Sar, and presumably being thoroughly baffled by the experience.
First of all, the two teams. We'll go with the teams that played in the final:
Ajax 1995 (3-3-1-3): Van der Sar; Reiziger, Blind, F de Boer; Seedorf, Rijkaard, Davids; Litmanen; George, R de Boer, Overmars.
Subs: Grim, Bogarde, Kluivert, Van Vossen, Kanu.
Manchester United 2008 (4-4-1-1): Van der Sar; Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra; Hargreaves, Scholes, Carrick, Ronaldo; Rooney; Tevez.
Subs: Kuszczak, O'Shea, Silvestre, Anderson, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani.
Referee: Pierluigi Collina
You'll note that United have two extra subs. But that evens itself out, because they also have Wes Brown.
Now, to reacquaint yourself with the two teams:
Right. PLAY BALL! WHO WINS AND WHY? AND WHAT HAPPENS? Get emailing! If there's enough interest, we'll definitely simulate the game at half-time. If not, we'll forget this whole thing ever happened.
Real, current-day teams and team news to follow.


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Enjoy the best famous foods in alleys when traveling to Hanoi
Though narrow stores or you have to wait for a table because too crowded, the food in the Tam Thuong Alley, Phat Loc Alley or Trang Tien Alley... where makes alley food brands in Hanoi.
1. Fried fermented pork roll (Nem chua) in Tam Thuong Alley
Photo: Tu Van Cong
Tam Thuong narrow alley is located on busy Hang Bong street, only about 10 meters but there are from 6 to7 stores which sell fried– this food brings brand for this alley. There is a style "street food" with a familiar image is diners sit on plastic chairs. Fermented pork roll is put in banana leave trays, set up a table instead of setting a chair. Potato chips, jicama is also favorite dishes. A tray with 10 fermented pork roll slices has a price is about 2 dollars.
Address: 36 Tam Thuong Street, Hang Gai, Hoan Kiem, Ha Noi (Google map)
Opening hours: From 08:00 am to 10:00 pm
Telephone: (+84)4 3828 5322
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/fried-fermented-pork-roll-tam-thuong-alley/
2. Noodle with fried tofu and shrimp paste(Bun dau mam tom) in Phat Loc Alley
Photo: Leo Phan
With a length is less than 100 meters, Phat Loc alley is always crowded, especially, having many delicious dishes in the afternoon, including the most popular is noodle with fried tofu and shrimp paste. Entering into this small alley, you will see vermicelli stores along two sides. Each noodle fraction normally includes noodles and fried bean, eating with shrimp sauce and vegetables and the cost are about 1 dollar. Diners often order a mixed vermicelli fraction with more jellyfish salad, baked beans, fried nuggets, meat boiled shrimp sauce, banana beans braised snail, guts .... the cost is about 4.5 dollars for 2 people.
Address: 49 Phat Loc Alley, Hoan Kiem, Ha Noi (Google map)
Opening hours: From 11:00am to 04:00pm
Telephone: (+84) 4 3926 0662
3. Snail vermicelli (Bun oc) in Dong Xuan Market Alley
Photo: Lan Itou
Coming to Dong Xuan Market Alley, you will be attracted by fat and crispy stuffed snails, sour water, light flavour with vinegar taste spreads at the end of the alley. This store serves noodles for diners want to change food style. Here, tangled noodles are put separately, and when to put water bowl with full foods such as nuts, bananas, beans. Each noodle bowl's price is from 1 dollar to 1.5 dollars
Address: Dong Xuan, Hoan Kiem, Ha Noi (Google map)
Opening hours: Daily from 10:00am to 04:00pm.
4. Grilled fermented pork roll (Nem chua nuong) in Au Trieu Alley
Photo: Thien Gia
Au Trieu alley is closed to the famous church's region with grilled fermented pork roll remains of meat's pink colour and is wrapped by a sticky gelatin in outside, to be placed on clean banana leaves. Eating with grilled fermented pork roll is the small chili sausage bowl of a bowl and a small fruit plate such as jicama, green mango. Sale place is located along the aisle in a small alley, placing dozens of chairs make a table to put the food tray, just make a seat but always having many guests. Price for a fermented pork roll plate is about 2.5 dollars.
Address: 10 Au Trieu, Hang Trong, Hoan Kiem, Ha Noi, Viet Nam (Google map)
Opening hours: From 02:00pm to 11:30am
Telephone: (+84) 4 3824 4391
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/grilled-fermented-pork-roll-au-trieu-alley
5. Chicken rice (Com ga) in Cam Chi Alley
Photo: Lozi
Cam Chi alley interconnects with Tong Duy Tan Street creates a famous dining area of Hanoi people, increasing the number of guests at night. The most popular dish is roasted chicken rice and grilled chicken thighs rice, attracting hundreds of diners every night. Prices of food are high compared with the average old city area here, from 3.5 dollars for one.
Address: 4B, Cam Chi, Tong Duy Tan, Hoan Kiem, Ha Noi (Google map)
Opening hours: From 10:00am to 04:30pm
6. Pickles beef fried rice (Com rang dua bo) in Trang Tien Alley
Photo: Giang
Trang Tien alley is narrow, is located between Nguyen Khac Can Street and Phan Chu Trinh Street, busy with lunch diners. Here, except noodle with fried tofu and guts, melons beef fried rice is also loved by many guests. Golden rice grain, enough plasticity, fried melon is just cooked, remaining the acerbity and crunchy flavor, beef is just cooked, makes the attraction of this dish. Price for a plate is from about from 1 dollar to 1.5 dollars.
Address: 8 Trang Tien, Hoan Kiem, Ha Noi (Google map)
Opening hours: From 09:00am to 06:00pm


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Restorative Practices
Frequently Asked Questions
1) What are Restorative Practices?
Restorative Practices are based on principles and processes that emphasize the importance of positive relationships as central to building community and restoring relationships when harm has occurred. Restorative Practices offer a framework for helping educators build trusting relationships with and among their students, as well as with each other, through clear communication. When there's a problem, using a restorative approach helps make sure small behavior issues don't grow big. When they do, it provides formal mechanisms for resolving serious issues.
2) What does this mean for my child?
There's a big range of Restoratives Practices. They can be informal – for example, a person using "I" statements to express feelings – to very formal – for example, a trained professional facilitating resolution of a serious conflict or harm in a formal conference. As restorative processes become more formal, they involve more people; and they require more expertise, planning, time, and structure.
Here are some more examples:
Almost every day at Grattan, classrooms hold community-building circles, where students have an opportunity to share things like how they're feeling, what's on their minds, or what they did over the weekend. These circles help students get to know each other and build relationships.
When behavior issues come up, we typically start by facilitating conflict resolution using a standard set of restorative questions. These structured conversations encourage empathy, accountability, expression of feelings and ideas, and problem solving.
If many are affected, an impromptu responsive circle is held to process what happened and agree on how to make things right.
More serious issues require more planning and involve more formal, structured meetings. These are called restorative conferences and are scheduled for a later time outside of the classroom. Families of the involved students often participate in restorative conferences as well.
To respond to challenging behavior...
What happened?
What were you thinking of at the time?
What have you thought about since?
Who has been affected by what you have done? In what way?
What do you think you need to do to make things right?
To help those harmed by others' actions...
What did you think when you realized what had happened?
What impact has this incident had on you and others?
What has been the hardest thing for you?
What do you think needs to happen to make things right?
3) Why did SFUSD adopt Restorative Practices?
The San Francisco Board of Education passed a resolution supporting a Restorative Practices approach to address school climate in 2009. Students and community groups had been advocating for this because they felt the district's discipline policies were not working well. The overall goal of SFUSD's Restorative Practices initiative is to improve school climate – and thereby support better outcomes for all students. Two primary and specific goals are:
To reduce overall numbers of suspensions and expulsions within the district.
To address the disproportionate suspension and expulsion of African-American, Latino, and Pacific Islander students.
One of the district's key priorities is to gradually offer intensive training to all SFUSD schools.
4) How is Grattan implementing Restorative Practices?
The Restorative Practices approach melds with Grattan's school culture and longstanding practices – including The Grattan Way and Tribes. Since 2011, Grattan has been implementing SFUSD's Whole-School Change Model of Restorative Practices, which focuses on promoting a restorative school climate. All Grattan staff have received some training in Restorative Practices, and many have participated in intensive professional development. In addition, a Whole School Restorative Practices Coach from the district offers us periodic professional development and support.
The Grattan Way: Be Safe, Be Respectful, Be Responsible, Be Kind.
5) How can I learn more?
To find out more about what's happening in SFUSD, visit the Restorative Practices page at HealthierSF.
Check out two SFUSD-produced videos about Restorative Practices in our schools:
"Student Voices" (4 minutes)
"Introduction to Restorative Practices" (15 minutes)
Read this article in the Fall 2012 issue of SFUSD's School Times publication, written by Grattan parent and education consultant Amy Merickel, who is a member of SFUSD's Parent Advisory Council.
A wealth of information and resources is also available from the International Institute of Restorative Practices.
Finally, the development of Restorative Practices in schools evolved from Restorative Justice, an approach to resolving criminal justice cases. Visit Wikipedia for some background on Restorative Justice. A distinction is that in addition to supporting conflict resolution, Restorative Practices encourage community building.


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How to Manage Pests
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Leaves on plants infected with Tomato bushy stunt virus are small in size, cupped, and curled downward. The youngest leaves are twisted and exhibit tip necrosis. A proliferation of lateral shoots leads to an overall bushy appearance. Lower leaves are chlorotic with a purple tinge. Plants may be stunted. Fruit yield is greatly reduced.
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"Hello to you too Sentinel," replies Oakley, "I came as soon as I received your message about killer alien robots. I assume this wreckage is what is left of them?"
"You would be correct," I say, "If you don't mind, Narszara and I are going to take the remains of the big guy so I can study them. You can keep the stuff from the smaller guys."
"I'm not sure how that fits into the law about collecting evidence," says Oakley with a shrug, "But I know that all of this way beyond me and my people. We always relied on folks like to deal with abnormal stuff."
"I assume you won't mind if I fill a police form later?" I politely inquire, knowing the answer will be yes as always.
"Of course," answers Oakley with a wave of his hand, "You've done this enough times to know the drill. Beside, I'm hoping you deal with this as quickly as possible. While attacks like this are good PR is fended off with nobody hurt and minimal collateral damage, the longer they drag on, the more likely things are going to go sour."
"No need to tell me about it," I say, "Anyhow, I should get going before Narszara and I get swamped by the press."
"Good idea," agrees Oakley, "I'll keep them off your backs. Or I'll try to anyway."
"Narszara," I say privately over our League communicators, "Grab the body. I'll carry the arms."
Narszara complies as she hefts the Machine's remains up and holds it over her shoulder. As the gathered media bombards us with questions, I pick up one of the Machine's arms in each hand. Ignoring the reporters, I ignite my rocket pack and fly into the air.
"Warden," I say as I call my aunt and she answers, "Narszara and I are on our way now."
I end the call and look behind me. Narszara is trailing behind me. While the Machine isn't slowing her down, Narszara's flight is naturally slower than that of the Sentinel armour.
"Narszara," I say as we fly in silence, "Why didn't you tell me you could shapeshift into a dragon?"
"I never came up milord," replies Narszara.
"Never seemed important at all?" I continue to press her.
"It is an ability I have had all my life and is extremely common amongst my people," answers Narszara, "It did not seem to be of major significance at any point. It still does not seem to be overly important Verigar."
"To public and authorities it will be," I tell her, "It's a powerful and overt ability. The potential dangers will worry people, especially since they know little about you."
"I do not care that others worry about me being normal," says Narszara.
We fall silent again and I go back to my old fall by for when I have to do long flights, thinking about technical problems.
It occurs to me that each time I fought the Machine, I've been forced to rely on the more powerful heavy hitters that are Sam and Narszara.
Despite my upgrades to the Sentinel armour, I've been growing weaker against the Machine as it continues to upgrade itself while I have only made minor improvements.
If Narszara hadn't shown up in the nick of time, I would have probably been killed or maimed. When we first encountered the Machine, the majority of the League would have been killed if it weren't for Sam. And when I encountered the Machine for the second time on Spartan's carrier, I would have also died if Sam hadn't saved me. I would have also fallen in battle before Sam arrived if it weren't for Darrac or Spartan.
Oh Darrac. He's probably still waiting.
"Janelle?" I call.
"Yes?" replies the AI
"Is Darrac still there?" I inquire in an innocent enough voice.
"Yes," says Janelle, "I'm assuming you won't be coming to deal with him anytime soon?"
"Not right now," I admit, "I got other things to do right now,"
"I'll inform Darrac," says Janelle, "He's willing to wait until you're free."
"Let him wait in the base if he wants," I say.
"I'll extend your offer to him then," replies Janelle.
That's that sorted. But I still need to figure out the latest upgrade the Sentinel armour.
Granddad was always continuously upgrading the Sentinel armour. He never wanted to end up stagnant or outdated, especially when it counted.
Right now, I got several upgrades I have yet to implement. The rocket boots, grappling lines, the magnetic boots and gauntlets. All major upgrades that I come up with, but the Sentinel armour is currently lacking.
Normally I would just add those upgrades to the current set of Sentinel armour, but I'm almost finished putting together a spare set of the Sentinel Mk VII armour.


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"Talented fans constantly re-create her that's why she never dies. She is a creative instigator. A collective fantasy. A social glue. Hatsune Miku is the future."¬ Hiro San
A western Cosplayer (costume player) obsessed with the cyber diva Hatsune Miku, moves to Tokyo to look for an identity in that fan world, where she is drawn into a love affair with one of the fans and looses herself in the virtual star. Hatsune Miku is a "vocaloid", a synthesizer software. Her entire persona: lyrics, music and animation - is fan created, and that's her charm. This film is a journey into a world where fantasy is more real than reality and the differentiation between the two becomes obsolete. The director was transformed into the protagonist cosplayer among real fans, with voiceover narration woven of fan lyrics, revealing their fantasies.
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Things to know :
The graph is not plotting ordinary speed against time, it is plotting vertical speed or velocity against time. Experiment with the interactivity until you can predict the graph shape a particular curve will produce.
This rail is also amazingly smooth - there's no friction or any other resistance you need to consider.
At the end of a run click on the bead to put it back at the top.
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Just experiment and you'll soon see all the things you can control.
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A Debate in Name Only
JOHNSTON, Iowa - In a debate that barely lived up to the definition of that word, the nine Republican candidates found far more common ground than disagreement during the 90-minute event.
The gathering was heavily anticipated as today's debate marked the final chance for all of the candidates to close the sale with voters before the state's Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses. But, it largely failed to live up to those expectations - bound by a rigid format that allowed almost no back and forth between the candidates.
As a result, the debate devolved into a series of stump speeches by the candidates with almost no differentiation between the frontrunners and also-rans like former Ambassador Alan Keyes.
Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Ark.) - the newly minted frontrunner in Iowa - used the opportunity to cast himself as a broad thinker read to unite the country behind his unique brand of leadership.
"We are right now a very polarized country and that polarized country has led to a paralyzed government," said Huckabee. "We are a great resilient nation that has to stick together."
None of his main rivals challenged Huckabee on issues of spending and illegal immigration - the two hot button issues driving debate both in Iowa and nationally.
Former Gov. Mitt Romney (Mass.) who is hitting Huckabee on his alleged weakness on illegal immigration on the Iowa airwaves, couldn't seem to find opportunities to draw that contrast in the debate.
The lone exchange between the two men came when Romney sought to correct Huckabee's assertion on who had the best record on education of all the candidates on stage. "I don't believe you had the finest record of any governor on the stage," said Romney, noting - for the second time in the debate - that test scores had drastically improved during his time as governor of Massachusetts.
But, aside from that small conflict, the debate was almost entirely devoid of any conflict between the two Iowa frontrunners and it seems very unlikely that any minds were changed by what they saw today. (The truth is that not many Iowans likely saw the debate, which ran on Iowa Public Television live at 1 pm central time. It will be broadcast tonight at 7 pm central time.)
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Sen. John McCain - both of whom have struggled to rally support in Iowa - played it safe during the debate, choosing to hit their standard talking points rather than propose any large-scale new proposals or directly engage their opponents.
Former Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.) - usually a morose presence at these debates - was surprisingly lively, providing some of the only interesting exchanges during the proceedings.
At one point, he quipped that he wanted to be as rich as Romney so he wouldn't have to worry about taxes and then, after Romney tried to push back, Thompson delivered this sharp-edged one-liner: "You're getting to be a pretty good actor."
Sadly, that was likely the moment of a debate that largely failed to provide any significant insight into the differences between the candidates.
Check this space tomorrow morning for our winners and losers from today's proceedings. And, don't forget tomorrow at 1 pm we do this all over again with the Democrats.
Chris Cillizza
December 12, 2007; 4:05 PM ET
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I'm not interested in candidates "mixing it up with each other." All that does is give the media something to talk about on the 6 o'clock news or to write about the next day. He said blah blah blah about him. Watch this exchange between candidate A and candidate B. It's pointless. I only want to hear each candidate's position on the issues and I will make up my own mind as to which best fits my way of thinking. That to me makes much more sense then trying to pit candidates against each other.
Posted by: mazd273 | December 13, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse
The Best Candidate:
Ron Paul did great. Being the only one actually grounded in reality, he made objections to ending the war and discussed common sense policies to lift up our economic state.
The Most Presidential:
Romney. Even with his plan calling for a continuation of war, Romney had the best responses (outside of Paul). He had the best social and domestic policy advice to offer, from education to trade.
The BEST Defensive Answer:
Giuliani! He gave a great response to the "transparency of his government", in response to Judith Nathan story.
When asked: "Mayor Giuliani, your administration in New York has been accused of handling your security expenses in a way that obscured the public disclosure".
He promptly responded: "The reality is that all that information was available and known to people, known six years ago. And I would make sure that government was transparent. My government in New York City was so transparent that they knew every single thing I did almost every time I did. So, I would be extremely... I would be extremely open. I'm used to it. I'm used to being analyzed. I haven't had a perfect life. I wish I had. And I do the best that I can to learn from my mistakes. But as far as open, transparent government, I think I've had both an open, transparent government and an open, transparent life".
That is good stuff!
The "T" Total- Worst:
Thompson. I am telling you now... this Tennessee native is Bush reincarnate. He wants to disregard the recent intelligence reports and is strong in his convictions of a continuation of war.
When asked: "Senator Thompson, you've expressed doubts that the recent report on Iran's nuclear capabilities is accurate. As president, how would you decide when to disagree with available intelligence and then what would you do?"
Thompson replied: "Now, that's probably the most important question that's been asked today. We have a real problem with our intelligence community. It, along with certain parts of our military, where neglected for a long, long time in this country and we're paying the price for it now. The fact is that nobody has any real confidence in the results that they're getting. And the result you're talking about was directly contradicted by their strong beliefs just two years ago. So you've got to rebuild from the bottom up. I think that, in the mean time, we have to rely on other people. The British are helpful to us; the Israelis sometimes are helpful to us. In many respects, they have advancements that we don't have in terms of our intelligence capabilities. But the president cannot let a... piece of paper by a bureaucrat determine -- solely determine what his actions must be."
WHAT! This guy is Crazy! Hence the Worst person report. He talks about our collective government intelligence agencies' report as if it were the weekly standard. And this rhetoric of how it is inaccurate is beyond me. He must not have received the memo: Iraq did not maintain weapons of mass destruction (remember we did not find any of those), now intelligence reports suggest that Iran quit their program in 2005 due to international pressure and this guy acts like Bush! He just wants to pursue his own (I want to kill an Iraqi) agenda... because you know- it gets him in his crawl! Also implications from this statement, that we should not rely on our intelligence services and somehow rely on British and Israeli intelligence... did he say that?
In addition to this comment, Thompson also REFUSED the moderators request to RAISE HIS HAND on a question relating to global warming and if it posed a threat to our national and economic security. I guess it was to much work to raise his hand- hence the laziness factor. He also gave an outlandish response to what he would do in his first year in office, if elected.
Thompson: "Well, it wouldn't take me a year. I'd go before the American people and tell them the truth, and try to establish my credibility, and tell them that we haven't come to terms yet with the nature of the threat that we're facing or what we're going to have to do to defend ourselves over the years....and then I'd bring in members of Congress and say, look. I just got a mandate. We can work and cooperate together, or I'll go over your head to the American people".
Again he didn't get the memo. We don't want more fear mongering and the American people don't support the war! Only 25% support the war and think we should get the hell out of there. So he wants to spend his first term trying to convince the American people that our intelligence reports are wrong, trying to scare us into staying in Iraq, and preemptively striking Iran. hmmmmmm... yeah he sure won.
In respect to the last Republican debate of the year, it was awful. The moderator was way to critical in enforcing the strictest, most limited responses I have seen thus far. The moderator was boring- unemotional- and resembled "ugly betty without the braces". I know it is a low blow, but come on... am I wrong? The forum should have more open and actually allowed the candidates to debate. I also do not know what was up with Alan Keyes being up there? However; this was the last debate and as much as I like the controversial Keyes, I have to say it took away from the rest of the candidates, who have been working for the past year for this moment.
Another substance that the debate lacked was the non- attack on Huckabee. With his national momentum in the polls, including a now- front runner in Iowa, it would have been good to see more attacks on his positions. He also has been taking nasty strikes at Romney's Mormon religion and this could have been a great time to "rip the scab" off his pious attitude. Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with his U-Tube debate performance and liked the what would Jesus do response ("he is to smart to run for public office"), it was cute... yet his holier than now attitude is starting to wear thin with my patience. Sorry. I used to think he was a good candidate, but his responses are always answered with this wide eyed- humility and nauseating niceness, it annoys me.
Overall; in substance the Republicans are out of touch wit the American people. They all (with the exception of Paul) want a continuation of war, even though we have disproved the "weapons of mass destruction" that never where found and the new National Intelligence reports that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. We are in a civil war and it should be so incandescently clear we do not want a continuation, a continuation that is costing us trillions of dollars- given our economic state. The Republicans solution to fiscal conservatism? Cut off entitlement programs to the poor, our poor, because somehow the welfare of a foreign nation exceeds in priority when compared to the welfare of our own people.
Mind you all the candidates lack personality and have the excitement factor of a rock. These are also the candidates [all] who hold Reagan up on some moral pedestal of presidential politics and who do not believe [most] in evolution. Additionally; they also believe in Santa Claus, that man rode on the backs of dinosaurs, and the earth is only 3,000 years old, so what can we really expect?
Posted by: Kristenmcullen | December 13, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse
"Judge, do you percieve an anti-Huckabee agenda at Fox?"
Mike: Naah, not really. Huckabee is the new kid, the phenom and they've turned over a few rocks and are making news out of what they find. Romney is relatively old news and they can no longer hyperventilate over anything surrounding him. This is standard journalistic technique so I don't see bias; I don't think Fox knows what to think about Huckabee.
Having said all that, I still think they 'owe' Guiliani a highly sensationalized treatment of his past. This is true of all the media outlets. Not sure why they are holding back; respect? If Huckabee was discovered to have exactly the same past it would be on the news 24/7 right now.
Posted by: judgeccrater | December 13, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse
Burr's note: So ended the trial of Junius, and he was accordingly burned at the stake. But it so happens that there is also preserved in Bamberg a letter, in quivering hand, secretly written by him to his daughter while in the midst of his trial (July 24, 1628):
Many hundred thousand good-nights, dearly beloved daughter Veronica. Innocent have I come into prison, innocent have I been tortured, innocent must I die. For whoever comes into the witch prison must become a witch or be tortured until he invents something out of his head and--God pity him--bethinks him of something.
Posted by: drindl | December 13, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse
"According to Faux "We Hate Huckabee" News Romney won the debate. "
Judge, do you percieve an anti-Huckabee agenda at Fox?
I'm a regular watcher (surprise, surprise) -- and I sort of think they don't like Romney. Although, they seem to be warming up to him.
IMO, Fox is the Rudy network.
Also, I don't want all politicians to say the same thing - unless that thing is the right thing. In the political marketplace of ideas, eventually some ideas will come out winners. I would hope either side will embrace those winners.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | December 13, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse
"Apparently originality trumps truth for judge."
So you'd rather all candidates said exactly the same things? That's an interesting perspective.
Obama has been saying this for months if not years. Huckabee's late arrival to that particular party is suspect because Obama has been drawing R voters. Huckabee might be looking at the same pool of voters and saying "hmmm, how can I get those votes back?"
Hey, I like Huckabee except for his stances on women, abortion, the environment, and a few other things. At least he seems like a moral, upstanding guy especially relative to Say Anything Rudy.
According to Faux "We Hate Huckabee" News Romney won the debate. Seems to be the CW for the press corps today all around.
Posted by: judgeccrater | December 13, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse
Two under-reported Senate polls from Colorado and from Idaho have good news for both parties, as Udall barely leads in CO but Democrats are more competitive than expected in ID. Check it out: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/congressional-news-speculating-about.html
Posted by: campaigndiaries | December 13, 2007 2:04 AM | Report abuse
I agree Romney did well.
Too bad this wasn't a more-watched debate.
Huckster's going to shoot Romney down, then not go all the way.
Then we'll be left with Rudy, the one man Clinton can beat.
If scandals are a wash, why not vote for Hillary?
Posted by: USMC_Mike | December 13, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse
I didn't know in order to make a relevant point, one had to make an original point.
I thought we were trying to make the best points, from both sides, during this process.
Apparently originality trumps truth for judge.
Props to Obama for saying something truthful. Shame on anyone who agrees.
Posted by: USMC_Mike | December 13, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse
Haven't all the debates been in "name only?" Give me a break. We will NOT have real debates until it's narrowed down to two people. Why else would Alan Keyes who hasn't been in any other debate have been allowed to participate today? Give me a break. Today was a joke. The moderator & the candidates must think Iowans are stupid. If I were an Iowan, I'd be offended.
Posted by: femalenick | December 12, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse
Romney won the debate. His positive, detailed and optimistic approach to answering questions (instead of dodging them like the Democrats do because they are afraid to death of their extreme left wing) made him look and sound presidential. So much so that Luntz's focus groups overwhelmingly selected him as the winner of the debate. Before the debate most of the members of the focus group self identified themselves as supporters of other candidates. Romney won over almost all of them. An impressive performance.
Posted by: madjayhawk | December 12, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse
"It's no secret that the GOP has disdain for women and minorities. "
Please back this up with some facts. That is a crock.
Karl Rove is not part of this election.
And the Republicans would not have to brand Senator Clinton as a liberal, Yankee, or woman because she is, obviously, all of these isn't she? So your statement is ridiculous.
And the question is why did Senator Clinton stand by her man? Most intelligent women with just a few values and a small amount of self esteem would have had his clothes piled in the front yard within 15 minutes of learning that he was getting BJs from a 22 year old employee. She is not a victim. She is an enabler.
It is extremely sad that so many people want to make lame excuses for these two ethically challenged individuals that have no respect for themselves, their families, the office of the Presidency, or the American People.
Calling American voters rednecks, retards, fundies, or billionaires (who are George Soros, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet supporting by the way? And go look at a list of the largest and wealthiest contributors to both parties. You will be shocked to see who is the party of the rich.) will not help you win over converts. You will need some converts because there are not enough Democrats out there to elect a President on their own.
Posted by: madjayhawk | December 12, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse
correction: Tom Foley==Mark Foley
Posted by: con_crusher | December 12, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse
response: (dmooney | December 12, 2007 10:36 PM)
No offense, but get a life. The Monica thing is over. Plus, the whole situation is a plus for Hillary, since she stood by her man or whatever. Understand?
That said, I have to agree about Obama's admission about weed and stuff. He should be applauded for coming correct about it, eh hem, unlike a certain George "duhbya" Bush and Clinton (Bill). Unless you're old as the hills or a fundie, it wouldn't be a major issue for most Dems. It's not equivalent to the scandals involving Ted Haggard, Tom Foley, and, and Larry Craig on the GOP side.
It's no secret that the GOP has disdain for women and minorities. If Hillary gets the nomination, expect to the GOP fabricate some sort of Swift-Boat style ads. In the very least, Karl Rover and co. will try to brand her as a liberal Yankee--and a female one at that. Unfortunately for RepubTards, there aren't enough rednecks, fundies and billionaires in America for them to win national elections fair and square.
Posted by: con_crusher | December 12, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse
Huckabee won the debate the format gave the FRONT RUNNER the advantage, Obama will probably win tomorrow if the format is the same. 08 is gonna be "the keep hope alive election" the man from hope vs the audacity of hope it'll be good for the country to get away from the politics of cynicism and polarization. I come from Massachusetts don't believe Romney he raised taxes and fees by 950 million dollars in his four years. Mass. was one of the only states to lose population in the country and jobs in the four years Romney was Gov.! Romney decimated the Republican party in Mass. they lost half of the seats they had in the Mass Senate and House and the GOP nominee for Gov. Romneys Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey got hammered in 06. Romney was bad for Mass and will be bad for the country.
Posted by: gfsurrette | December 12, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse
I am amazed by Hillary's operative in NH raising the issue of Obama's teenaged drug use. I guess last week's kindergarten essay smear did not stick, so the Clintons are moving a little further down the Obama time line. This comes after other Clinton operatives tried to promote the Muslim smear last week against Obama.
Didn't Bill Clinton admit his own drug use, while denying that he inhaled? That's not unlike his recent discovery that he was against the war that his wife voted to start all along. Has anyone asked Hillary about her drug or sexual practices back in college? I guess its all fair game according to Mr.Shaheen.
Do these Hillary backers think there isn't plenty of ammunition to go after the Clintons if Hillary gets the nomination. I still keep waiting for someone to ask Bill Richardson in one of these debates why he thought he was asked to interview Monica Lewinsky for that UN job, and why he offered her a job before the Thong-gate scandal hit the fan.
Posted by: dmooney | December 12, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse
It was a great debate. Raging controvery! Heated exchanges! But then I woke up! Great dream, but the real debate put me to sleep pronto.
FOX predictably said Richie Rich Romney won. CNN thought Huckabee came out on top. I'd say the fact Huckabee did not get blasted as the frontrunner makes it a win for him.
Alan Keyes is one of those guys who may have a good point, but you don't listen to for the way in which he says it.
Posted by: TrueHawk | December 12, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse
The moderator sounded like a liberal Democrat with an agenda. Almost no questions were asked which are of real importance to Republicans, questions brought up by the author of "Will Republican Party Self-destruct With Huckabee?" ( http://miraclesdaily.blogspot.com/ ).
Even if she is not a liberal Democrat, Fred Thompson showed everyone how to deal with a liberal Democrat. Don't play their game.
Posted by: ChristianProphet | December 12, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse
I asked this a couple of weeks ago and some of you responded. Do we have a better handle on who is advising each candidate on foreign policy and who they would likely choose for State, Defense, HLS, and National Security Advisor than we had before?
We knew that RG had Podhoretz, that Mitt had the Blackwater guy, and Obama had help from Richard Clarke. I have heard a rumor that BHO has also consulted with Powell; perhaps I read it here.
Someone who posts here should know the "brain trust" of each candidate.
Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse
Not a debate that pundits would love, but it was a good show for actual voters. They need to hear about more than nuking Iran or gays in the military. Right?
Posted by: parkerfl | December 12, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse
I find all this chest thumping from the Republicans about how each one thinks he is the best candidate to oppose Hillary amusing. I am becoming more and more convinced that the Democrats will come to their senses and nominate someone else. It appears more than likely that she will lose Iowa, NH and SC.
Personally, I would love that someone else to be Biden - the only responsible adult on foreign policy of all the candidates of either party. However, it is probably going to be Obama.
Posted by: jimd52 | December 12, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse
I signed off at 2:41. What a bunch of crap! Limit litigation, 1 for Insurance Companies. Bring god back to schools? Which god? Unions are a big part of the problems with schools. I am the all time free trade guy? Nafta has been good for America. That was enough to convince me, anbody but this bunch of radical right wingers!
Posted by: musselmanm321 | December 12, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse
Is it me, or does Mitt remind anyone else of Dan Quayle, that caught in the headlights look. Was he disarmed by Huckabee's personal apology this morning, a call that took a certain amount of courage to make? It appears that the other candidates don't care for Mr. Romney. Then again, wouldn't they all like to pander and suit their positions to whomever their campaigning before? They've all taken some difficult positions while Romney doesn't have to--he doesn't seem to have a real core of convictions. I'd rather see any of the others as our nominee but this chameleon.
Posted by: northlite | December 12, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse
Alan Keyes is running for President? Since when? Why doesn't this has-been go out and get a job already? He's just one more dwarf on the Repub side this year....
Posted by: Osafp | December 12, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse
I watched the debate while waiting for the medicine injected before my PET scan. Ron Paul was the only one that made any sense whatsoever. Someone else is going to have to come along if the Repubs have any hope of beating Hillary in 08, which is wishful thinking on their part.
Posted by: lylepink | December 12, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse
for all the republain complaining about taxes. And how we are a free nation because we rebeled against taxes. the gop is liars and they leave out an important aspect, like always.
It was not about taxes, high or low. It was about taxation without representation. They have representation now. So their arguement is another straw man. Bogus talking points.
Fascists. Plain and simple.
Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 12, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse
I wanted my job market get shipped over seas"
I watched, that is
Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 12, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse
"New poll results. The A is reporting that "choice" AND "gay rights" has dropped to under 13% nationally as an most important issue. Iraq is at 15% as is national security. Ditto for "gun rights" and "gun control" both at 15%. The economy is the #1 issue for 59% of voters.
Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 12, 2007 06:28 PM
What do you mean? The republcains tell us they are all doing just fine. He he he.
Are they lying or are the republcains taking care of their own only? Like the attorney scandel?
Maybe a bit of both. I know I make less than I did before bush. Not sure abou tanyone else. I wanted my job market get shipped over seas. The jobs my parents had in a solid middle class no longer exits.
The economy is top heavy. Trickle down economics only works if the money trickles down. At one time employers paid their employee's. keep them happy and they produce, stick around. Now it's pay as low as you can. If americans won't work for the scaps you throw them train an illegal. Or ship the americans job overseas where they do the work for pennies.
Sad day in america. When are americans going to have pride in their country again. Think of others rather than just themselves? Thsi is why I am a democratic socialist. I don;t think the top portion of the country will give up their wealth willingly. Is it their wealth? Were would the business owner be without their workers? Would they have a product? Could they get it out? Could they sell it ,
support it?
i say the owners are just holding on to their workers money. Hording it. It's not the owners money to give. That is what the gop will never understand. They can only think about themselves. Not their workers or country.
For our econmic system to work the money must trickle down. If they don't want to do it willingly they will, and should, be forced to.
Again, without the employee's what is a corporation? It is a shell. A label. Nothing more. People make the business, like they make up the nation. If the gop will not acknowledge this they must be forced to. This is my opinion. I speak for no party and no one but myself. Before the discrediters and peanut gallery start
Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 12, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse
oops. That A should have been AP
Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 12, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse
New poll results. The A is reporting that "choice" AND "gay rights" has dropped to under 13% nationally as an most important issue. Iraq is at 15% as is national security. Ditto for "gun rights" and "gun control" both at 15%. The economy is the #1 issue for 59% of voters.
Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 12, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse
The wife and I are still scratching our heads why Keyes was even invited. If this is some "token candidate" BS from the DMR, it was a bad ploy.
This debate was boring and insufferable, and it's entirely due to the moderator who was acting more like a "schoolmarm" than a moderator. She wouldn't the candidates mix it up because of time constraints. Whatever. Geez, let these guys take whacks at one another.
Romney did fine. Fred had the best laugh -- "I am not doing a show of hands," Rudy and McCain did play it safe, but Frank Luntz's focus group thought that Rudy did well when he talked about things other than NYC. Tancredo and Hunter didn't help themselves at all, and neither did Huckabee. (Granted, the Huckster's problems arose from the NYT piece this morning, which wasn't addressed in the debate.) And the best thing Ron Paul offered was his video where he acknowledged the Internet is an important tool. (Other than that, almost every time he opened his yap, the "Voters Voices" graph dropped lower than Congressional approval ratings.)
Mesa, AZ
Posted by: SamizdatPrime | December 12, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse
"the words "George Bush" came out at only one time, and they had the letters "HW" in between. shows the sad state of affairs that our current government is
Posted by: rgrossman | December 12, 2007 05:42 PM
Right. And they claim to be "running away from the presidnet."
I have a question for gop'ers here. You say "George bush is not on the ballot". But other than immagration, what issues are they running away from? It seems to me they are in lock step. Otherwise they would do something, anything, to stop him and his criminality. Are they doing that? Or are they obstructing justice. What are the repbuclains doing other than blocking legislation?
check out the cartoon on the right wing site.
sums it up nicely I think
Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 12, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse
the words "George Bush" came out at only one time, and they had the letters "HW" in between. shows the sad state of affairs that our current government is
Posted by: rgrossman | December 12, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse
JD, I neglected to add that McCain is a also a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: proudtobeGOP | December 12, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse
Pelosi confused again:
In the face of stiff opposition from powerful fellow Democrats, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has abandoned a proposal she supported less than 24 hours ago to eliminate lawmakers' earmarks from the omnibus spending package.
Pelosi told the Democratic chairmen of the House Appropriations subcommittees, the so-called appropriations cardinals, that earmarks would stay in the omnibus and that Democratic leaders would accede to cut spending to levels demanded by President Bush in order to save 11 spending bills from a veto, said sources familiar with a meeting that took place in Pelosi's office early Wednesday morning.
By leaving earmarks largely untouched and agreeing to Bush's budget ceiling, Democrats have capitulated in their spending battle with Republicans.
Dems - the party of "We give up, we don't win "
A Democratic aide also said Tuesday that Pelosi supported the proposal to eliminate earmarks.
Pelosi, however, ran into stiff opposition from her Senate counterpart, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who served as the senior Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Energy and Water Development Subcommittee before becoming Senate Democratic leader.
The Nevada senator declined to endorse Obey's proposal when asked about it at a press conference Tuesday.
Reid said he would be happy to hear what Obey had to say but also defended his right as a lawmaker to earmark funds for his home state.
Well, you don;t expect him to get elected on his personality, his leadership or anything else. all he has is bribes for the voters paid for by the taxpayers. Yup, that's your harry ried, the spineless dust speck.
Posted by: kingofzouk | December 12, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse
Billy Shaheen, the co-chairman of Hillary Clinton's campaign in New Hampshire, raised the issue of Sen. Barack Obama's past admissions of drug use in discussing the relative electability of the Democrats seeking the presidential nomination today.
If you are a clinton, you must avoid the issues and go ugly early. It is in your nature.
Posted by: kingofzouk | December 12, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse
Kucinich booted from Iowa debate
Dem free speech
Posted by: kingofzouk | December 12, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse
State Rep. Bob Latta (R) held off a challenge in Ohio's 5th district, defeating Democrat Robin Weirauch 57-43 with 100 percent of precincts reporting.
Republicans pointed to Weirauch's support from the national party and liberal interest groups, including EMILY's List, and hailed the victory as a sign that their massive 2006 losses will not be repeated in the coming elections.
"This campaign became a cause célèbre for national Democrats and liberal activists nationwide, but in the end, Bob's anti-illegal immigration, anti-tax hike message won the day," said National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Cole (R-Okla.).
Get the word out Dems - it means you will lose more.
Posted by: kingofzouk | December 12, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse
This is what passes for 'leadership' if you are a Lib:
Congress has been brought to a grinding halt by hardening Democratic and Republican stances on taxes and spending just days before lawmakers begin leaving Washington for Christmas and New Year's.
The two sides are, in some cases, refusing even to speak to each other about the massive omnibus and an Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) bill.
Frustration boiled over in the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Bush "is impossible -- and has been for seven years -- to deal with."
Reid sought to portray senior White House adviser Ed Gillespie as an incarnation of Karl Rove and a mastermind of intransigence.
It's always someone else for Reid, never takes his role as "Leader of the Senate" as holding any responsibility for anything. what a waste of a cheap suit.
so it is now official Dem policy that tax reductions are against the rules. guess which party if rightly famous as tax and spenders?
Posted by: kingofzouk | December 12, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse
"Was anyone else amused when Romney assumed Tancredo's "governor" who was "leading the pack" meant him?"
Saw that, Skip. Pretty hilarious and became even more so when the conflict right went over Romney's pretty little head.
Posted by: judgeccrater | December 12, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse
Did the Des Moines Register Republican Debate in Iowa live up to your expectations?
Posted by: jeffboste | December 12, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse
I found the transcript here if anyone else is interested.
Posted by: HokiePaul | December 12, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse
I think that's fair, judge.
It would have gotten more interesting if Huckabee had been given a chance to respond to Tancredo's parting shot (explain yourself on immigration), but they were out of time.
Was anyone else amused when Romney assumed Tancredo's "governor" who was "leading the pack" meant him?
I don't fully blame Romney, but I'm still tickled by it.
Posted by: Skip_Lively | December 12, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse
WINNER = Romney - looked and acted presidential - knew his facts, got a chance to tout his economic experience
2nd Thompson - at least he fought back against anti debate format
Loser - Huckabee - Frank Luntz focus group thought he sucked, like a second tier candidate - he got lucky he was not asked why he has run a bigoted campaign.
What the heck was Keyes doing at this debate.
Rudy - sort of not really a factor...
Posted by: weinbob | December 12, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse
Seems to be general agreement that today's debate drew no blood (except when Keyes repeatedly shot himself in the foot) and helped Huckabee simply by virtue of the fact that it didn't hurt him.
Posted by: judgeccrater | December 12, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse
Huckabee came off as arrogant when he steadfastly proclaimed that his record on education was better than anyone else's on the stage. Mitt Romney, whose record on education surpasses that of Huckabee's, called him on it. Dear Fred T. is still bemoaning not having made enough money in his career(s)-his eternal conflict has been between, in his scale, politics (no money) and actor (some money)-and he is somewhat covetous of Mitt's comfortable economic success.Fred was lively,though.C'mon everyone, Mitt Romney is a winner in everything he pursues, is devoid of scandal,is vibrant and capable of beating the scandal ridden, o-l-d and corrupt, lecherous Clinton machine, to bring us into a new era of America winning again.How are you going to feel if Hillary is elected because you backed a weaker candidate? Get behind Mitt the winner.
Posted by: usa1citizen | December 12, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse
Certainly it was a dull debate, as debates go. It would be informative for viewers who had never heard the candidates speak on issues, but it's unlikely you'll find many of those in Iowa (and even fewer who take the time to watch an afternoon debate). So, all in all, it was a wash. No one said anything shocking nor particularly damaging.
I would happily have yanked Keyes and Tancredo off the stage. Goodness. Hunter I can cope with, by virtue of the fact that he paid some heed to the rules. Really, though, these should be six-man debates.
But like I said, a wash. No one stuck to their time, no one got hit particularly hard on the issues, the moderator didn't crack down on people like she should have, and, like Cillizza said, no back and forth.
And, shockingly, no immigration.
Posted by: Skip_Lively | December 12, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse
mikeb-we may disagree on a few things but that was probably the best point we can all agree on.
now im sure someone is going to come thru with a totally partisan comment about hillary or democrats and ruin the thread.
Posted by: jaymills1124 | December 12, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse
Who won the Des Moines Register Republican Debate in Iowa?
Posted by: jeffboste | December 12, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse
Is it just me or does this statement remind everyone of what Obama has been saying all along? "Hey Mike, Barack called and asked for his talking point back. Also, don't go near the 'Red State America' versus 'Blue State America' or Barack says he'll go postal on your a$$.""
Right. But how has been dividing us for political gain and who has been fighting for this country the last 7 years? The republcains and their propogandists have been dividing us. The left had to fight back or allow fascism. Now that the left is gaining ground, they are the ones dividing us. Ridiculous.
Here is the flow chart.
From the republican leadership to the propogandists. From the propogandists to their cult followers. So the division is not only the leaders. It filters down to every single republcian that paticipates in the propogandist hate. Who on the left does this? When and Why?
If you olberman you show your face. I garuntee you WHEN a democrat wins in 08 he stays the same. That is the differance. The right refuses to hold tehir own to account. The left holds everyone to the same standard. This is why the gop is done. Zero accountability. They gutted the surplus. They sabotaged gettign the real terrorists. They turned the battle agaisnt liberals and the americans people.
Divide and conquer. this is what is destroyign the gop. How to fix this? I have an idea. It's why I'm here. It's what I've been saying since the day I came on this blog.
REmove those that would divide us for personal or political gain. That used to be called treason. Start at teh top. Remove Fox, Rush, Malkin, Drudge, Savage, Beck, coulter, hannity. Remove them and we can start to come back together as a nation. Refuse to do that, and you are waging war agaisnt america. I have no pity if the right will not compromise.
That is how we come together. The fairness doctrine or remove the lying propogandists for profit lying to th elderly daily.
Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 12, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse
judgeccrater - More to the point, Huckabe actually believes this! Polarization has cost us dearly. Rational thought, patriotism, the good of the country have all gone by the wayside becasue of polarization. Both parties practice this, the unlamented late Republican Congress most recently (Bush and his people are hold up in the Whitehouse like it's the Alamo all over again.). And, it isn't just Obama that talks (and walks the talk) about unity. There is McCain, Thompson, Biden, Richardson, and Kucinich, too. All decent and honorable people. How on earth did we come to the state where the likes of Romney, Clinton, Guliani, and Keyes could waste our time.
Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 12, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse
In Soviet Union debate, Politburo write questions and answers. In U.S. presidential debate, MSM writes questions fully knowing what the answers are going to be.
If the WaPo or anyone else would like real debates, push this proposal:
It's not too late to put something like that together, and it doesn't have to be a big production at all: the videos could be uploaded to a sharing site, and a transcript could be provided. About the only issue would be finding willing participants and then scheduling them.
Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | December 12, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse
i SAW THE BEGINNING AT LUNCH. They look terrified. :)
Very scared to show their face and say what they will do. i thought the moderator statement was telling.
"We're not going to talk about Iraq or Illegal immagration."
What else does the gop have? HAHAHAHAA
The gop is done for a generation. You believe me know zouk?
Posted by: JKrishnamurti | December 12, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse
"We are right now a very polarized country and that polarized country has led to a paralyzed government," said Huckabee. "We are a great resilient nation that has to stick together."
Is it just me or does this statement remind everyone of what Obama has been saying all along? "Hey Mike, Barack called and asked for his talking point back. Also, don't go near the 'Red State America' versus 'Blue State America' or Barack says he'll go postal on your a$$."
Posted by: judgeccrater | December 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse
according to MSNBC Alan Keyes often "hijacked" the debate. Now there's some useful activity for undecided voters.
Posted by: Spectator2 | December 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse
proudtobeGOP - You're too close to it! Thompson sounded intelligent and engaged, sort of a more liberal version of McCain, both decent, honorable men.
Posted by: mibrooks27 | December 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse
mark- It wasn't totally bereft, but your colon probably had more substance than that debate. (sorry, that was bad)
Posted by: proudtobeGOP | December 12, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse
was this even a debate? i watched a little of it while finishing up some paperwork and thought watching paint dry would have been more interesting.
im pretty sure someone asked this in another thread but who let alan keyes out of his padded cell?
CC says-Former Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.) - usually a morose presence at these debates - was surprisingly lively, providing some of the only interesting exchanges during the proceedings.
oh sure now fred thompson starts to show life. im pretty sure he's gonna hit his stride in i dunno, spring maybe?
hey ill save you some bandwith and do winners and losers for you.
Winners- the entire gop field for not basically remembering the 11th conservative commandment. dont speak ill of fellow repubs.
losers-the rest of us for having to sit thru that snorefest. nothing new really.
winner-my new drinking game, every time the words liberal,hillary,democrat,islamofascism,or surge is spoken,take a drink.
Posted by: jaymills1124 | December 12, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse
how'd Ron Paul do? i've only read one update on the debate and it sounded like Fred Thompson and Mitt railed against FedGov spending, one of them even used one of Ron Paul's signature terms "nanny state" in reference to our leviathan FedGov. Funny how Ron's success influences everyone else to become a "fiscal conservative", too bad it's too late for them and their conversions are just cheap knock-offs of the original.
Posted by: millionea7 | December 12, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse
I have been sleeping off my quintennial colonoscopy and missed more than this debate.
Was it so bereft of substance that I should skip it later?
Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 12, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse
I caught part of this online, but missed the end. Anyone know where I can find a transcript of this event? Thanks.
btw, I loved how the candidates refused to answer one of those silly "raise your hands" questions. The moderator looked like a fool as she kept pushing against a united front.
Put "raise your hand questions" in the losers category -- and lets hope the Democrats do the same and refuse to allow the moderators to waste our time with these petty games.
Posted by: HokiePaul | December 12, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse
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