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Just be honest and reply to applications that are sent!
Fire the bloated HR dummies that shuffle paper all day
When setting an appointment for a face to face interview, be sure both party have the correct time. No one wants to make feel incompetetent when arrived at the wrong time, it's important HR worker have a heart, the next job seeker could be you.
We'd like to think this matters but I doubt it, except marginally.
I wouldn't expect a response.. ever except when you call or email someone directly. Eventually if they want to stop having you clog their inbox, voicemail, secretary and phone line then they will respond. Being someone who never goes away without excessive daily calling seems to be the only real way, unless you know someone where you apply (actually a couple people)
This article is spot on. My brother's out of work and I keep a list of companies to avoid based on his experiences. HP – total BS company that has wasted his time like he's a cockroach even though he has a Master's in IT security. They have literally scheduled an interview, had him drive through rush hour traffic (over 2 hours) for him to find out the person that was suppose to interview him had "a last minute meeting come up." What does that say to your applicant?
The most common offense is the, "you'll hear from us in 2 weeks" and 2 months later you're still waiting. The federal court still claims to be considering him; he's not holding out for their offer.
I see debt collectors.
Below them, realtors.
Below them, cockroaches.
And far, far, far below… recruiters.
Most companies in the current job market have no idea what to do with applications or applicants. They fail to send anything to you or they send that tired e-mail response of "we received lots of applications for this position and if you meet the qualifications someone will call you…"
No personl touch with most recruiters or job search companies in my opinion. Basically, HR has turned into a worthless place in all companies just like school counselors.
I worked for a company for over a decade and grew a department to 12 highly specialized people The head of HR was a good friend of mine. Even after 10 years and 12 hires, he still had no idea what I did for a living or what type of people made good employees in my department. I have a colleague who worked for a Fortune 500 company in HR with a specialty in screening and testing high performance employees for advancement. His boss was recruited away and replaced with a female attorney who scrapped all the testing for skills and leadership, and started focusing on percentages of females and minorities, regardless if they tested well for performance. He left and went into consulting. HR should stick to managing issues when problems arise with employees and leave the recruiting to people who know what they are doing.
I once interviewed with a company, was offered a job, resigned my existing job, and the day before I was to report for work got a phone call telling me they decided not to fill the position. I was hung out and they were not even polite about it. Shortly thereafter I was hired at a firm and placed in charge of acquisitions for the same area these folks were the incumbent vendor for. I replaced them. The total contract value was over $20M in one year. I never bought any of their equipment and threw them out whenever I found them. I guess they really did save some money by not hiring me. LOL
Employers will tell you anything to blow you off, anotherwords, get you off their back.
like Kimberly replied I am amazed that you able to get paid $7058 in one month on the internet. have you read this web page..AloJob2.Notlong.com
It's a simple fact of life: if you lie to someone (which includes: stretching the truth, hiding information you know the other person wants to know, deception, etc) then it may help you get what you want right now, but when that person finds out, then your relationship is damaged or destroyed — far worse off than before you met.
Loved your story. I was hung out to dry in a similar fashion several years ago. I wish I had been given the opportunity to subsequently "get even" with the firm, as you had. Inspirational.
To HR – 1) be honest and 2) acknowledge applicants when humanly possible.
Jobseekers do appreciate it when there is an effort on the part of HR which does increase the apparent value of the hiring company. We do remember both those companies that fall short in the effort and those companies that have manners & treat jobseekers with dignity.
Currently employed and grateful to have my job.
I know of people who took time off (unpaid) from their jobs for multiple interviews with a firm. No response from the company was ever given, That's why I never eat at Panera's, will never have a child consider a couple of local colleges….. Can't these companies email a form rejection at a minimum?
Too true. I interviewed with DISH Network a couple of months ago. They not only talked me out of ever working for them but they also convinced me to never be a customer of theirs either.
Well said! As recruiters an important part of what we offer is consistent and positive employer branding for the companies that we work with, this can't be done unless we treat the candidates well.
Additionally, anyone that you interview today could be your client tomorrow… delivering a positive candidate experience is crucial to being a successful recruiter. I had someone contact me last week who had previously interviewed with me and at 3rd interview stage they were unsuccessful. They had since started working for another company and they were calling me to work on a role within the new company. Why did she call me and not the recruiter who placed her?… Because I treated her well.
Man, nothing like this awful. I had these challenges before the "digital age" trying to find out "untold" stories. not successful. With sites like barebars.com that are enhancing the social networking for professionals to get the inside story, you could stay lot more pragmatic and prepared.
Couldn't agree more !
Perhaps another addition to the list (for either potential employers or recruitment agents): If a candidate is unsuitable for a vacancy, let them know as soon as possible. "Yes or No" is tolerable, the fog in the middle merely adds unnecessary anxiety to the job-finding experience. Do not rely on the standard approach: if you haven't heard from us, assume the worst.
Why not skip recruiters altogether. TinyCV let's jobseekers get headhunted for the best roles directly by employers. Free to use, just register and get started. http://www.tinycv.net
Don't be a douchebag. Duly noted.
I agree absolutely with the views in this article. A little common courtesy goes a long way. Candidates often put considerable effort into making an application, and increasingly companies don't even go to the trouble of replying if the application is deemed unsuccessful – it seems they think it's not worth the investment of the effort of a simple polite standard email. For me, this is unforgivably arrogant. I'm a great believer in business karma.
If I am contacted by a recruiter and submitted to an employer or contract opportunity, the recruiter has a moral and professional obligation to close the loop if my candidacy isn't successful – at any stage of the recruiting process. The excuses by recruiters that they are "too busy" or "don't work for the candidate" are, in my opinion, disingenuous and unprofessional at best. As a candidate, I'm an integral part of the process – without candidates, recruiters have nothing to offer their clients.
The lack of follow-up communication by recruiters seems particularly prevalent in the US, whereas I have experienced much more constructive and professional communication from recruiters in Canada, Australia and the UK. One recruiter in Australia took the time to call me – it was late in the evening in Sydney – to follow-up about my candidacy. I appreciated that so much, even though it would not result in work.
As others have commented on this thread, candidates remember mistreatment, and will consider those experiences when dealing with companies in the future. Remember that $3M contract you lost Oracle? That was me. Fortunately, BearingPoint went bankrupt before I could exact revenge, but after five interviews for a position and then refusing to take my calls or answer email, I was reading and willing to stick it to them.
There are great recruiters out there, and as an independent consultant I have developed a list of them who I am delighted to work with. The recruiters with who I have negative experience don't get a return tel call or email: I can communicate as badly as they do, and perhaps they might gain some appreciation of my value as a candidate.
I went to one of the world renowned mining company for an interview for the position of a Customer Service Manager January this year. After the interview, I asked when I can expect to hear from them. The Human Resource personnel said they will be fast and will let me know by end of the week. I didn't hear from them by then. I called up the same HR personnel another week later and was assured to be kept posted. Never did I hear from them ever since.
As the months passed, the outcome becomes obvious. Thanks for that.
I have a friend who's been job-seeking for several years now (in fact he finally starts a new job on Tuesday) and his BIGGEST complaint was recruiters/managers/HR people not getting back to him to let him know where his application stood. That is inexcusably rude. I don't care who you are, I don't care how busy you think you are, you have time to dash off *at the very least* a form email saying "We've hired someone else" or whatever so's not to leave candidates hanging, especially in this ugly job market. And at some point, if the job simply remains unfilled for some reason – budgetary, political, whatever – an email should be sent to all candidates letting them know that the position hasn't been filled, and they're welcome to apply again if the company starts the hiring process again. My buddy was left in limbo *so* much, particularly for jobs he was especially enthusiastic about, and I found the whole process for him unnecessarily cruel.
I love this. From my perspective, a Consultant to Small Businesses, especially "Basket Cases", have been proclaiming this for years. Get out of mass-production of employees and put human relations back into everything.
Two key tools – Dale Carnegie "How To Win Friends & Influence People" and Tom Hopkins – "How To Sell Anything To Anyone". There is a third source as well – Zig Ziglar who promotes we all sell everyday. We sell to our mates, our family in every direction, our co-workers, our supervisors, our customers, our vendors, our current and future customers whether internally or externally outside the company. When we understand that principle, we should take a different approach to our attitudes towards others.
Great piece. Forwarded to many & begun receiving many replies already. Excellent.
reminds me of an interview I had with ASOS.com recently. first they were 20 minutes late for an interview, no apology or explanation for the lateness, didn't once try to sell the company or the job role for which I had applied, During the interview 3 times a had to listen to the manager complain they didn't have a scribe. The interview appeared to be conducted off a pre written and there was no attempt to deviate from the script or ask additional questions about me or about my CV. The interviewer was flat and didn't want to be there and seemed I was wasting there tim
I applied for a position at SpaceX (I matched the listed job requirements perfectly, and figured I had a good shot at an interview, considering sw engineers with experience in spacecraft simulation aren't exactly common) and was contacted by one of their recruiters the next day. I was first asked to complete an online assessment (I'm a software engineer), and I did so. A different recruiter then got in touch with me and told me I did quite well on the assessment and we set up a phone interview.
The agreed-upon time for the phone interview came and went — no call. I attempted to call the recruiter and left a voicemail. Over the next several days, I tried getting in touch with the recruiter via phone and email, to no avail. I eventually sent an email to the original recruiter, asking him what was going on (I was angry, but polite just in case the guy who set up the interview had been run over by a bus or something). He said "Oh yea, I'll remind him to get i touch with you."
Never heard from them again. Not much I can do to exact vengeance, other than to laugh heartily if their big launch tomorrow fails
As a job seeker I heartily agree with all of the above. Considering some experiences I have had it is not shocking that many company's do nothing to vet their recruiting/hiring practces. That's a shame, how can they know they are getting the best applicants if they don't regularly test their process?
A common occurrence is the phone interview that never seem to happen. One company had me get up early every morning for a phone interview and then never called. After the third morning, they let me know that they would call the next morning early and I said this would be their last chance, the call did not happen. I sent a polite note, saying forget it. When the job market changes and it will, employers and recruiters will pay a steep price for how uncivil they have treated decent people.
I find it frustrating when you are directed to a web site to apply for a job, and are given the opportunity to post a resume, and then required to fill our the same information on the application. Twenty min later and a required post of your social security number you complete it… and never hear anything back. I have gotten where I refuse to fill out applications. If i can"t post my resume or have not been personally asked to fill out the application. I have been hired to many times where the job was mine and the application was done after hiring. I understand you need/want that info for your EEO file, but my time is worth more than that. That being said, I have a job that pays well. I am however actively looking for a career change and have the luxury to do so. It still pisses me off.
As someone who is re-entering corporate world after taking a sabbatical to join a startup, I too find the lack of updating job candidates on where they stand very frustrating. There are jobs that we reserves ourselves for because we are genuinely enthusiastic about the position. As a result, we put other offers on hold because we have the hope we will get hired at our desired position. With technology these days it is fairly easy to create a general email and blast it out to job candidates to update them on the process so it is inexcusable.
I am a recruiter for a staffing firm and I want to give insight on our side of things. My job is to build a relationship with candidates and help them in their pursuit of finding a new and rewarding job opportunity. 90% of candidates don't want to chat about their experience and background and their salary history. They want to know what job I got and how much it pays. A lot of candidates lie or do not give you the whole truth. You post your resume online and when you get a call from a recruiter you are rude or don't give the courtesy of phone call or email to say that you are not interested in working with said recruiter or you are no longer "on the market" (in that case; take your resume offline!). A lot of people don't understand that frustrations and stresses of the work of a recruiter. How can we not treat rude/untrustworthy candidates like "cattle" as you like to put it? To the 10% of candidates who are personable, friendly, and open; they are the ones who are treated like human beings because they treat us like human beings and with respect.
In my experience as a executive at a search firm in the last 3 years, it has become more and more the case that employers want a direct match to the job description. In the past you could find people who had similar skills in outside industries and you could spend the time to train them. Not so right now. It is actually kind of sad to be honest with you, because companies pass on extremely bright people all the time without even knowing. Taking the competitions work force seems to be the modus operandi more or less these days, and it frustrates the candidates I work with, and me too to be frank with you. Companies simply need quicker ramp times to be competitive, and that means overlooking a lot of great people. I would get used to that, it is not going to change until we pull ourselves out of this financial disaster we have created for ourselves, and have some breathing room to then start training people again who show promise, but might not bring the secret sauce from the competition.
What I am fed up with is taking the time to go to an interview, and you think it went very well, the recruiter or hiring manager say they will contact you within the next couple of days. You wait anxiously to hear from them within the designated time frame and they never get back with you. If I took the time to go to your interview, you could at least take a few moments to give me a phone call and discuss your decision. This has happened several times during the last few interviews.
And to those candidates who wait for feedback from a recruiter on the status of their resume being submitted, a lot of times it is the hiring manager that does not give us feedback. Yes, there are those recruiters who get word the candidate was rejected and do not let that candidate know. But let me tell you from experience, there are a lot of recruiters that do not do this. If they don't call you in a week for feedback, it is because they are not getting feedback from the managers; trust me, we want the feedback just as much as you do.
A well known American consumer goods company who recently advertised a university competition to win a place on a week-long course in the Middle East. The application process took at least 45 mins (i.e. it was the same level of detail as a regular job application). Guess how happy I was when they then sent out an email saying they were cancelling the competition!! Bloody time wasters!
PS, if they really are that bad and you're sure you won't be reapplying anytime soon, it's quite satisfying to send an email to a senior manager outlining the interactions you have had with the recruitment team, exactly who was responsible, and demanding a follow-up or apology. Even if you don't get one, at least you know the person who was rude to you had a bad day as a result…
The Team who are entrusted with the Job of taking interview, starting from HR Team to the Technical team ( for Technical Posts), should have
a) Co-ordination and clear knowledge of the type of candidate they are looking for.
Most case its found that the requirement and Profile match is NOT done properly. This creates very embarrassing situation for all the concerned and leaves a not very good impression of the Employer.
b) The person who is taking Interview, should not treat the candidate with disrespect though he/she stands on a higher platform than the job seeker at the moment.
Most of the time, the candidates can't answer exactly what is expected answer, but they will be very much capable of solving the problem being asked.
So the Interviewer should try and find out how much the candidate is willing to learn, how much his/her fundamentals are strong.
c) Always close the discussion with a positive note, even though the candidate did not do very well.
d) "We will get back to you " This is one of the very usual way of telling the candidates after the interview to tell the result , if its not very good.
Ground reality is the company does not bother to drop a note / call and tell that candidate that she / he did not do well or did well.
All the candidates who come in contact with an organisation are brand ambassadors of the company and it makes lots of difference of good or bad experience with the company.
Nicole, You need to find a new job yourself, you have issues…
Just went through an interview with a young lady at Clearslide in San Francisco that was about as insulting as it gets. My walk away is that I will never use their product when I do secure another position.
15 years of experience working with recruiters at unpredictable intervals has taught me several things:
1. Clients do not give feedback to recruiters abut their candidates- they simply don't want the conflict. This is very true! Unless you are an absolute horror of a candidate, they don't want to take the time.
in turn, they are always looking for a referral to fill that spot! They don't want to pay the fees associated with that temporary. Except for specialized jobs.
2. Clients are pulling 2-3 job descriptions and expecting 1 person to be their golden child. This is clearly a way to alienate candidates, reputation, and branding image. Yet hopeful candidates waste their time on interviews when companies are clearly not going to hire them.
3. Recruiters are a dime a dozen- no company cares about loyalty. I've temped at dozens of companies, and I hear what they say behind closed doors. Recruiters are a band-aid fix until they find a cheaper route. There are always exceptions.
There is a direct correlation between the way companies treat internal and external relationships. Whether it be with job applicants, customers, vendors and or partners. If your experience is not good on the outside and in the job application/interview process, guess what, if for are hired, your experience on the inside will be very similar. Very few companies do not understand this.
I am from the land downunder (australia) and would like to let you you all know that when I was looking for work three years ago my experience was very similar. I gave up chasing the recuriters when they didn't return my calls or failed to understand my resume. I soon realised that the industry has a high turn over of staff and loses there good recuriters to the top end of town. And I can also tell you it's gotten worse as there is more presure on the recuriters to meet sales targets. this is the key word…sales. get used to it people labour is a comodity and in that exchange humanity suffers.
The article is right on. Are HR people all buried in paper work? Most companies are not straight shooters because they don't want keep a pool of talent to draw on – just in case the first offer does not work out. What is the human cost of doing this? HUGE. This should change.
So the Interviewer should try and find out how much the candidate is willing to learn, how much his/her fundamentals are strong.
Understatement of the century!! This is why companies fail. This is why most executives don't see enough growth, or step outside the mundane business angles they are used to.
Clean slates are better than worn out, washed up, dried up leftovers!!
I mean, because they want to keep a pool of talent.
Correction to my previous post. The last sentence should read, "very few companies understand this."
This problem is truly epidemic!
If you're in this situation…it should indicate to you that they are not and "Employee" centric company….They are a "Company" centric company.
This is a warning to all the recruiting companies that did treat me like cattle when I was seeking, I've now found my new job and I have hiring authority: I will not use you! With your treatment of me, it was clear that you would have no capability in finding me the exact talent I'm looking for anyway.
This problem is terrible. I recently had a hiring manager message me requesting that I call him to discuss a position. I called and he said he was on a call so please call back in the afternoon. I called in the afternoon and received no response. I called again later that week and received no response. It has now been almost a month, and I have yet to hear from him. Remember that he asked me to call him.
It's truly sad how job seekers are treated so poorly. I was impressed with a consulting firm that actually sent me a detailed email on why I was not chosen for a position, and that was after submitting my application. So who do you think I have a good impression of? The organization in the first situation has earned a story of my negative experience for my colleagues and friends, while the organization in the second situation will receive my praise for treating me like a person.
My expectation of recruiters is so LOW at this time. This recruiter ask me to meet him in New York, I did we had a good meeting, he asked me to call him the following week, I did, the answer I got from him was total BS, but he still ask me to call him again the following week. I called him as he asked me to and his reply was let me call you back, that was 3 months ago. Just for the record , i have no reason to tell lies in my resume, everything is well documented.
Companies are going to pay the piper for treating valuable employees, future customers, clients, and the like.
Just the other day, at my temp gig- A recruiter walked in from an agency that caused me financial collapse with unemployment. Needless to say, I was polite to the recruiter, did not mention my disdain- then threw it in the trash were it belongs! I have told companies I temp for about this recruiter, and what they did to me.
I loved the story earlier from Da Big Dog! Stuck it to them in a massive dose!
Plus, if you attach a lengthy feedback process to the existing application process, you are likely to weed through the folks that are just wallpapering the internet with their resumes.
I wrote an article about the same thing about 10 years ago and problem is getting worst.
Now, you're made to feel like a beggar when you are just following their specific instructions-calling them, emailing them, sending your resume.
Some recruiters ask to connect with you on LinkedIn saying they want to talk to you about a job, but you never hear from them. Outside recruiters will hound you to submit your resume for a job and then you don't hear anything. If they are too busy to call, they could set up a standard email telling you that you weren't selected. They don't, but, a month later, they're back with another job like they didn't ignore you. It's an unpleasant process and I've been out of work for almost 2 years.
I am sure Hewlett Packard will lose 20.000 x 3 (family members include) = 60.000 customers.
That's huge loss!
I am very happy to have found this article this morning. I have had two hour meetings at recruiting agencies. The meeting goes great, they introduce me to several people with the company, everything goes great. They are freindly and say, "Wow, you are really awesome, etc." I follow up with a thank you card. I think if this recruiting agency spent two hours with me, why would they leave me left hanging, not return my phone calls or emails. This is just down right rude. Recruiters: please don't spend two hours with me, and then blow me off–especially being I am told I'm a qualifed candidate. I hope all recruiters read this.
As a current job seeker myself with over 15 years of management experience, I must say this article hits the nail on the head. I am dumbfounded by the lack of professionalism some recruiters have displayed in dealing with me. They ask me to contact them and when I do, I get no response back. I even encountered one recruiter at a career fair that stated she was only collecting resumes and was not going to talk to anyone. They are the face of the company to job seekers and the first impression they are giving is not good one.
Dear Nicole: I'm sorry. The majority of applicants reading this article disagree with you. If a recruiter spends a significant amount of time with an applicant, interviews you about your past experience and salary, that recruiter at least owes a return phone call or e-mail to the applicant. I have sent thank you cards, followed up on the phone, etc. When an applicant is left high and dry with no answer or feedback, it is beyond frustrating–especially when the interview goes well, testing goes well, and one to two hours is spent with that recruiter. I have actually had recruiters tell me "I have a great job for you. Can you interview next Monday?" And then all I hear are crickets. Sorry, Nicole. I don't feel your pain. Whatever happened to common courtesy?
I think a big problem happens after applicants have been passed from HR to the hiring manager. HR loses visibility into the process, so people are interviewed, the hiring manager doesn't tell HR who's been passed over, hence no rejection letters go out, and the hiring manager hides behind his/her email and voice mail, avoiding informing the rejected applicants. Pathetic.
Very welcome article. I've been surprised to see how lax in common courtesy many non profit HR efforts are.
I've been amazed at the treatment by non-profits I've been a member of, a volunteer for, a donor to, which haven't displayed any courtesy when I had applied for jobs where I met the qualifications (not saying I was most qualified, but I definitely met the job specs).
When you are one of eight people being interviewed for job, is it too much to ask for to get a brief email letting you know when you are no longer a candidate?
How am I supposed to feel when I get their next fundraising solicitation?
Of course there are many who do it right, but too may non-profits forget that the job seeker of today is the potential donor/member/supporter of tomorrow.
When i worked in development the mantra was that everything the non profit does affects development–that should include HR, too.
Great points. Many businesses obsess over their branding and "customer experience," forgetting that job applicants are customers (or at least prospects) too.
Having been on both sides of the fence and currently on the job seeking side, I can understand the perspectives from both sides. I couldn't agree more that a recruiter should at least send a one line email indicating that the candidate was not the right fit, etc. especially that many companies are using recruiting software which has this capability. The candidate could be your client or even your boss in the future.
I recently walked into a newer local recruiting office to speak to someone about a position they had posted which I was well qualified for. The cold receptionist ignored my request and said I'll take your resume and if it is a good fit, someone will call you. My preference is to find out a bit more about the job and workplace culture and submit a tailored cover letter and resume. I never heard from them and because of the receptionist's bad attitude I did not bother to follow up. It wasn't worth my time and I will not use or recommend them in the future.
I really appreciate when recruiters take the time to get to know me and provide me with honest feedback when it is not a good fit or their client has taken a different direction. It is contradictory for employers/recruiters to expect candidates to be genuine when they are not.
On another note, I dislike the use of the latest buzz word, "Human Capital", as it gives the connotation that people are a commodity rather than human beings.
Some great comments on this post. When I am in my next job that involves recruiting, I will ensure that it is part of the hiring process to respond to candidates. I'm a firm believer in "what you give you will receive ten-fold."
good article. nothing like followup and reminder that you also have a potential customer. everyone deserves to be treated with respect.
I want to comment from a Recruiter's perspective, having been one for over 7 years and very successful at it. it is NOT always the Recruiters just treating applicants like "cattle". You have no idea the type of people we have to talk to on a daily basis. We get candidates who think it's ok to call us 3-4 times a day, every single day looking for feedback. And 99% of the time, we don't have any feedback to give them yet! Our phones are ringing off the hook some days not to mention all of the other work we have to do on top of talking to candidates. And then there are the "crazies" who have no chance at all in getting a job because they do things like swear during interviews, have poor hygiene, do not take the time to make themselves presentable, exaggerate their experience beyond belief, are so arrogant that they treat us like we're LUCKY they're talking to us, etc.. We talk to hundreds of people like this every single week! So needless to say, sometimes it's easier (and more legally sound) to limit the contact all together. You never know what some people are capable of! One of my co-workers was being threatened to be SHOT by a disgruntled candidate because he had called him to pass on less than favorable feedback about his interview! And you people wonder why we Recruiters try to keep contact to a minimum!
Having experienced the same rudeness of no replies or follow-ups, I've resorted to simply shaming the recruiters who contact me. After I spend my time explaining my experience, my skills, my salary requirements, my expertise and my goals, I end with, "Wow, it was really great speaking with you. I really got the sense that you're different from other recruiters. You're the type who is professional enough to actually get back to me even with bad news. I can't tell you what a relief it is to speak with such a recruiter. So when will I hear back from YOU?" It usually works
These are great rules for companies to implement into their hiring process. Most of the recommendations do not take an extreme amount of time or energy to execute on and the return on investment for the companies would be ten fold. Poor candidate treatment and lack of follow through are among the top complaints we receive weekly from job seekers coming to our site. Thanks for continuing to raise the issues and remind companies that there is a bigger picture to look at aside from just the person who comes in to interview, and that their hiring process affects a myriad of other issues for their company's success.
Robin Rayburn
Editor & General Manager
To those recruiters and HR representatives who bother to e-mail or otherwise follow up to those of us in the workforce: Thank you for meeting at least our base expectations.
To those recruiters and HR representatives who provide an initial response months later: Thanks, but a little late. Eiher I've found a job or I'm destitute.
To those recruiters and HR representatives who ask us to take time off from our current jobs to come in for a half day of interviews and then fail to follow up: The bill for my time is in the mail.
The biggest issue I've had is with companies who "change" their minds. I was tapped by a recruiter early this year. It was for a freelance to perm opportunity. I had ALL the skills and experience they required (down to the last t) and I knew I was the one of a very select few to have this expertise. I gave her my resume, went over it with her and weeks passed without a word. I had to basically hunt her down to get a reply. When I finally heard back, she said "the company already hired someone on their own." When? Just now or weeks ago when you were avoiding me?
A couple of weeks ago I heard from a different recruiter asking me if I was interested in the very SAME position for the very same company. I explain the above to this recruiter and she explained that the person this company hired was not working out, after all. Said she didn't have my skills and experience. She felt I was more in-line with what they wanted and even went so far as to tell me she could get me more than the current person got and that the company is looking to make this position more senior; to help grow the department. I agreed to be presented, yet, again. After days of excuses, I finally got a "tentative" interview date. My interview was not even confirmed until the day before (scrambling to get a sitter and rearranging my schedule) only to get an email from this recruiter after 8 p.m. the night before to cancel my interview. She promised to follow up with me first thing the following morning. When I didn't hear, I pursued her for an explanation of why my interview was so abruptly canceled. She simply sent an email, "they decided they needed a more jr person with MORE prod experience." WTH?
Now, this is not meant to be a bad reflection on the recruiter. She actually did eventually reply and I could tell she genuinely believed she could represent me in the best light. In short, I believe she did her best and I genuinely liked her (given the opportunity, I would work with her again). This is about the crappy way this company basically jerked me around; first at the beginning of the year then a second time more recently. I understand this company is swamped with too much work but it seems to me the problem lies with those who run it and their HR. They can't decide or they simply don't know how to manage their workload and how to best staff up to make life easier for themselves; they want a freelancer, the freelancer didn't work out, they wanted someone more sr, no, now they want someone more jr. With this kind of indecision, good luck establishing themselves as a solid ad agency in the US. They burn people out, churn their staff and jerk candidates around. GL.
Amen to this! Companies are losing some great candidates who are DONE going into the abyss that they have created. Every HR person should be forced to sit at their home computer at 10:30 PM for three nights straight and go to these websites that force you to register then input all of your information. It is awful.
Oh Recruiter below, I feel so sorry for you that you have to listen to angry people. Well I have no doubt that they are the minority. I know what it is like and it doesn't have to be the way the people below are describing their experiences. I too have found the same thing. Yes I know that the professional recruiters are representing companies that are very specific about what they want. This is definitely part of the problem. They just want to hire in their own image, from their industry, with experience doing the exact same thing the job requires and someone who is young.
As for recruiter, I find that they will work with you as long as they perceive you to be a hot commodity. If not, you won't get the time of day from them. I understand they want to make money, but what about the people who have families to support, food to put on the table, homes to pay for and children to educate. It used to be that recruiters would fight for the people they represented, but I don't see that any more. The companies have the upper hand for now, but they don't realize that these people will leave for a few bucks more and they will have to start a search again. The concepts of loyalty, dependability, honesty and trust are values that are just words written on pieces of paper, but not followed.
I check Glassdoor before I consider a company, although I am now at the point that I have to accept any position to survive. The bottom line is that the senior executives don't care and therefore the culture of the company is not to care which flows down to HR. If they don't care about their own employees why should they care about applicants.
It is an awful world out there for people who are unemployed and happen to be over 50. I have found that we become invisible. One day we are smart, talented, appreciated people making money for a company and then we lose a job due to no fault of our own. The next day we are considered stupid, lazy, idiots who don't even know how to turn on a computer. I hear the tone in the recruiters voice when they see when I lost my job and I know that I have just been crossed off a list and a standard issued lie will come out of that person's mouth about why I am not being considered for that job. They won't consider me for a lower level job, the same level job or a higher level job. Yesterday, I got an application from Trader Joe's. Is that where I end up after years of experience, over 30 recommendations on LinkedIn, a college degree, so many seminars I can't count them, certifications, etc.? I am scared, really scared because I don't know what I will do when UE ends because I support my family. Rude, uncaring, unsympathetic and down right nasty recruiters only make matters worse. I remember when I was on the other side of the desk and I would NEVER treat a candidate like that. I know you can't respond to every person that sends a resume. I would write in the ad that if you were not qualified, we would not get back to you. To much time, not enough people in HR and no sophisticated recruitment system. But today, even if you interview, you don't always get a response. And if you do, it's just a lawyer prepared politically correct response. You will never know why you were not selected. So you continue to apply and pray that one day, a company will appreciate experience and you will be hired in their image.
Why cant companies simply do their own damned recruitment? Most employers do not have the time to recruit their employees!! This is absurd. It should be the 2nd most important function within a business. The greed that we all witness today in corporate business starts here, i.e. from the negation of this very simple principle and we are all complicit. Recruitment firms deliver no value whatsover and most likely destroy value. WORD!
I am not the enemy here. I am trying to give insight to applicants about what is going on and why you are so frustrated. Don't shoot the messenger. I am a very courteous recruiter to all candidates I work with. I give them feedback (good or bad) when I get it. A lot of times when I don't give feedback to candidates, it is because I never received any feedback from the hiring manager. Like The Other Side stated previously; we have to deal with 100′s of candidates. We are human, we make mistakes. I try to follow up with candidates who are still waiting on feedback, to let them no that I still have no feedback for them. How does this make me a bad person? Sometimes I forget to follow up with people that I still do not have feedback for, but that's because there is no feedback to remind me of one of a lot of candidates that I am dealing with.
I'm sure people realize that there are tons of candidates seeking work. Think about all those candidates and jobs hiring managers have to deal with. The system does need to change, but that change is extremely hard to do when there is one job, one manager, and over a 100 potential candidates.
There are two sides to every story. Not every candidate is the same and in turn, not every recruiter is the same. Don't bash me for being honest with you. It's a tough market and hiring managers are picky. Candidates aren't the only ones frustrated with lack of feedback, it is recruiters too. Just because you have a bad experience with one recruiter, doesn't mean that all of them are the same. Just like if a recruiter has a bad experience with a candidate, they're not going to not call other potential candidates because everyone is different and unique. It's a dog-eat-dog world and we can't always expect rainbows and butterflies in our conquests of job searches, candidate searches, and life in general for that matter.
These are all crucial components of a great candidate experience. Numbers five and six are huge. At LaSalle, we call them managing expectations. This means ensuring that the candidate knows next steps before they leave the office or hang up the phone. It means being open and honest… If you can't help a candidate, tell them that. If there's a position that's outside of their comp range, explain why you are presenting the position to them….exceptional benefits, paid time off, telecommuting, etc. The recruiting firms that have the best candidate relationships have perfected managing expectations.
These are all crucial components of a great candidate experience. Numbers five and six are huge. At LaSalle, we call them managing expectations. This means ensuring that the candidate knows next steps before they leave the office or hang up the phone. It means being open and honest… If you can't help a candidate, tell them that. If there's a position that's outside of their comp range, explain why you are presenting the position to them….exceptional benefits, paid time off, telecommuting, etc. The recruiting firms that have the best candidate relationships have perfected managing expectations.
-Tom Gimbel, CEO LaSalle Network
Oh, Nicole, Nicole, Nicole. Poor Nicole. You are human? So are we. Shoot the messenger? I think the industry is getting a bad rap and for very good reason. I have taken two to three hour lunches to spend time with recruiters. They tell me they have a position that will be a great fit for me. They smile, introduce me to several employees within the recrutiing company. They say on the phone, "wow, you are awesome." Yes, I had a recruiter tell me that on the phone once. It's called "B.S." I put on a suit. I present myself very well. They then ask me if I'm available next week for an interview. I say yes, and then I never hear back from the recruiter. I make a courtesy follow up phone call or even an email. I might send a thank you card. I hear nothing back. If you choose to spend this much ime with the candidate, that candidate deserves to be treated like a human. From the looks of the feedback and comments here, we are clearly not feeling respected during this process. If we take two to three hours out of work day to spend time with you, why should we be left hanging? It sounds like to me the recruiting industry needs to take some brush up courses on business etiquette and learn how to treat humans well, like humans, not cattle as this article states.
I have had a recruiter tell me to my face on the phone, "Our CEO does not want us to consider candidates who are unemployed.". I was a perfect fit for the position. At that point, I realized the state of affairs in the job market.
The ugly truth is that most recruiters, whether they are working for a staffing agency or working directly for a company, really don't know how to recruit. And those who do, are a very tiny minority. What's uglier is that most hiring decisions are not based on objectivity or any type of science. It's all subjective. Yes the right resume will get you the interview but ultimately, whether or not you get the job is wholly dependent on whether or not someone can 1) vouch for you (and I don't mean references but someone at the company where you're interviewing ideally high up on the totem pole giving you a recommendation) and/or 2) simply what someone (and this case a hiring manager's or interview panels) gut feeling is about the candidate seeking employment.
I have seen perfectly qualified candidates turned down for jobs and I've seen unqualified candidates hired for others. There is no rationale behind hiring whatsoever. Often times, it comes down to being at the right place at the right time.
Here's my advice to those who are looking for a job.
1) Do not get married to an interview process.
2) Whether or not you believe the interview is going well is simply irrelevant. It's the employers impression that matters.
3) Keep going on interviews until there is an actual offer (or offers) in writing to talk about no matter how much a company or a recruiter tells you that they want you. To use a Jerry Maguire line, your philosophy should be, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"
4) Stop with the ego trip of how good you think you are. Trust me, you're not as good as you think you are.
5) Go through all the motions of being a model candidate i.e., be on interviews on time, dress sharp, follow up with a thank you e-mail, smile etc.
6) Even if you're not these things, pretend to be charming, confident and funny all through out the interview process. You can be your self, whatever that is, once you get the job.
7) Even if you're not interested in the job, act like you're interested. Get the offer first and then decide whether or not you want it.
8) Be honest with yourself, that is, if you interview with a company and the folks whom you meet are hipsters and you're a pin-stripe suit wearing kind of guy, then you're more than likely not going to get the job. It's because you're not a cultural fit. If you interview with a company and the folks whom you meet are wearing pin-stripe suits and you're a hipster, then you're not going to the job. It's because you're not a cultural fit. If you're older i.e., 40/50+ and interview with a company where the folks whom you meet with are in their late twenties to mid thirties, you're not going to get the job. You're not a cultural fit. Yes all these things are discriminatory but this is what goes on everyday at both large and small companies all through out the world.
9) Be honest with yourself as to whether or not you have the necessary skills when applying for a position. You end up looking like a fool when you submit your resume to jobs that you know you aren't qualified for. Most employers want to hire someone who is doing the job right now that they are looking to fill. They are not looking for people who just want a shot or have never done the job before.
10) Develop a thick skin.
11) Don't get discouraged or angry and blast out e-mails which show your feelings when an employer isn't responsive. It's not personal; it's business.
12) Even after you get the job keep going on interviews. There is no harm in it. Matter of fact you're better of looking for a job when you have a job than looking for a job when you don't. Know this: There is no loyalty by employers to their employees any more. While you're thinking about saving for retirement and setting up a fund for you children's college education, your employer is thinking about bottom line. Getting rid of your position can afford them the opportunity to hire two maybe even three unqualified people for the salary which they pay you.
Job seekers, my advice to you is to get yourself out of the fog and mist that life is fair; that being treated fair and equal is your right. There is no such thing as fair or equal. It's a cold cutthroat world to begin with so why would you think the job market would be any different. It's time to get hip to game so open your eyes to the realities of the current employment market.
I enjoyed reading this article. Recruiters are a bunch of tunnel vision scum. I had an incident this week where the company lined-up six interviews for a guy on the same day. I was the sixth person but he got frustrated and yelled at the recruiter that these are not the type of people he wanted to see. What was humorous to me was that everyone there was probablt able to do his job.
This is so true and to the point. Personally I love working with recruiters because they help you bypass all the layers. However, I do hate that recruiters that just treat you like a merchandise, meaning totally ignoring you when you are no use to them. I have many times dealing with this kind of recruiters and I hate that so badly. One example, staffing firms work for AT&T. I receive like over 30 calls (all from different companies) for a position. I submitted my information to the first caller, and there was no answer back from this recruiter whatsoever. I tried to follow up couple times and never received a reply. This is rude! I would've appreciate a reply regardless of what that is. These recruiters are putting bad names on their clients. I would never want to work for AT&T because I don't think it's good for employees if it cannot control how they hire people.
There are also many companies that I worked directly with the HR. Again, not giving replies really pissed me off. I love the stories how people kill those contracts because of previous unpleasant experiences. Karma do return. Ha
You said as follows: "My job is to build a relationship with candidates and help them in their pursuit of finding a new and rewarding job opportunity." What relationship? What rewarding job opportunity? At the end of my interview I am left with no relationship whatsoever, even though that recruiter mentioned she has a great potential job for me. The interview also went really well. I am left with nothing and I am a very qualified candidate.
You're clearly working with the wrong companies then, Liza. Did you not get anything I was trying to say? It's not my fault the recruiters you work with treat you poorly. Spend a day in my shoes or a hiring managers shoes and see how different the other side of the fence is. You don't think I know what it's like trying to find a new job and taking valuable days/time off to interview only to be rejected? It's called life and life isn't easy or fair. I treat every person I talk to like a human being; with respect, professioanlism, and etiquette. I do the best I can with what I've got. So who are you to pass judgment on someone you do not even know personally? You're very next door neighbor or family member could be in the staffing industry or a hiring manager. I think you need to not blame me for your horrible experience. I've already read your first entry dear Liza – I'm not dumb and I don't need repetition. But hey man, apparently you can't handle with the truth stings a bit; perhaps that is why you don't get feedback from the recruiters you deal with. And guess what? I'm not that recruiter so don't come up me, go flip out on that recruiter that made you waste your valuable time. Or do you only flip out on strangers behind a computer? Corporate world sucks; we either deal with it being in the corporate world or we get out of the corporate world. We have choices.
I will provide peace in the Land, and you will lie down with none to frighten you; I will cause wild beasts to withdraw from the Land, and a sword will not cross your Land.
וְנָתַתִּי שָׁלוֹם בָּאָרֶץ וּשְׁכַבְתֶּם וְאֵין מַחֲרִיד וְהִשְׁבַּתִּי חַיָּה רָעָה מִן הָאָרֶץ וְחֶרֶב לֹא תַעֲבֹר בְּאַרְצְכֶם
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More feedback for Nicole wrote:
.You said as follows: "My job is to build a relationship with candidates and help them in their pursuit of finding a new and rewarding job opportunity." What relationship? What rewarding job opportunity? At the end of my interview I am left with no relationship whatsoever, even though that recruiter mentioned she has a great potential job for me. The interview also went really well. I am left with nothing and I am a very qualified candidate.
And I'm sorry… am I your recruiter either? No. Deal with the companies directly instead of through recruiters then. But you're not going to get much farther with or without the staffing agency representing you. At the end of the day it always comes back to the hiring managers decisions or lack thereof.
I think candidates who feel like they have been screwed over by HR people and should organize a website, and publicize their stories including NAMING NAMES!
This might also include boycotting these firms and pursuing class action law suits where appropriate.
It is unfortunate, but this is the only thing these psychopathic organizations understand.
Many of the experiences stated hear sound all too familiar. I am a loyal person, and I care not about the machines that are seeking employees today. I have always worked hard and produced for those that retained my services. I served 10 years for my last employer and due to budget cuts three years ago, I was laid off. After struggling with finding a new position, I decided that I am a good employee and therefore hired myself. I now consult as well as work on contract basis. I could not be happier and will not work for another corporation. F them all; cold, empty, dead, S.O.B.s!
I believe the website you desire leans on the slander side of things.
Oh how true – I think companies forget that when you apply – you are not only a candidate for employment, but also a potential customer or possibly a very effective future competitor …..
I am astounded at the number of companies that don't give any response – when as a candidate you have invested preparation time, travel time and money into a personal interview and receive no response after the interview…. especially when you politely follow up.
Common Courtesy goes a long way – I definitely want to work for a company that gives upfront, honest feedback that will enable me to grow as a professional – beginning with the interview process. I have found that I have an increased interest and respect for companies that treat me respectfully.
Let's face it. With the exception of the elite retained search firms, the recruiting and HR industry are the dregs of the business world. No one grows up saying "I want to be a contingency fee executive recruiter when I grow up" Many recruiters lack a college degree and those who have them, their degree is in a "soft" disipline. They have NO experience in the day to day operation of a business. They are compensated in a manner similar to used car salesmen and real estate sales.
I would rather tell my mother that I was a piano player in a house of ill repute, than admit to being a recruiter.
The turnover in the recruiting field is enormous. Recruiting firms fail with regularity.
Given this type of culture,it would seem like recruiting firms will soon become obsolete.
Wow, the sheer volume of comments from angry candidates says a lot. I too have an excellent memory and have no intention of personally using or recommending the companies or recruiting firms who treat me as sub-human. If I could charge a fee for all the hours I've spent on job interview related tasks, I'd probably have at least a years' salary to show for it.
Running around to interviews in rush hour traffic, sitting in multiple rounds of interviews, doing skills tests, filling out the horrid, never-ending candidate portals, writing sample project plans, sending samples of work, making sure I follow the ten thousand commandments of the successful job seeker the job board and content farms so love to churn out only to hear not one, single thing back from anybody. In most instances, the interviewer hasn't even given you the respect of actually READING your resume before you sit down with them.
There has to be a better way than this! However, it is the very companies who so vehemently tout their commitment to innovation, values, culture, blah, blah..who dictate the process. Says a lot about what they are really about, doesn't it? Fearful, status-quo loving, old guard, job protectionist, butt covering..those are a few descriptors that come to mind.
I just want to mention that I was told by the recruiter that there was a vigorous 6-month training program and that was why I, with a year of relevant experience in the same position, was not able to apply for the senior level position and had to enter as junior level. Low and behold, I didn't even get six minutes of training let alone 6 months. What a load of misleading crap.
Only when you view an individual as a person (not a number / applicant) will you understand their entire background, and reasoning behind career choices. To many times have I had to encourage an employer to take a moment to speak to an individual or at minimum a second look at their resume, only to have them become the top pick for the position. In many cases I remind the hiring manager, "what if this was your daughter or son?" "wouldn't you like that hiring manager to spend more than a few seconds reviewing their entire professional background?" This is a challenge that begins with value in communication. A great example of possible missed value; I was working for an executive search firm and my manager believed I spent too much time on the phone with my candidates. I do agree that spending hours on the phone talking about nonsense is a bit excessive, however diving deep to truly understand an individuals entire background is crucial to exploring new opportunities for them. I was speaking with a candidate for the first time 13 minutes into the conversation my manager walked up to my desk and hung the phone up on him. I immediately walked outside and called this individual from my mobile phone and continued the conversation only to find out he was responsible for one of the greatest technology IPO's in history. Needless to say I no longer work for that firm, but remain in close touch with this candidate. I would have undoubtedly lost this person as a candidate and a good friend if did not treat him as a human being. Let this be a warning to all recruiters, every resume may only be a piece of paper, but there is someones entire life connected to it, treat it with care and compassion.
Great article. Goes hand-in-glove with a blog post I wrote last year, http://thegoldenruleguy.blogspot.com/2011/04/honoring-our-friends-in-hr.html. Thank you!
Good article. I totally agree. I'm definitely taking notes of the recruiters who are treating me like crap. And I'll be sure to make a point never to hire them or their firms when the tables are turned. Furthermore, I won't refer anyone I know to them either.
How stupid do people in HR think we are? I'm a creative professional in the advertising industry, and in said industry your portfolio of work is what determines how good you are. It pretty much boils to that. Your résumé comes in second. As it is pretty much industry standard, I have my portfolio up on a website with analytics. I KNOW when I have visitors, and who those visitors are. It's patronizing when I get a generic email from some HR drone saying "Thank you for applying, after carefully reviewing your qualifications, though they are impressive, we decided blah… blah.. blah…"
Really? You did? What a load of bull. I can tell in my analytics that my work was never even looked at. I have absolutely no problem with being rejected for a position if there's a more qualified candidate, or if I'm not a right fit, or whatever. However, when I know I am more than qualified for a position; it is extremely discouraging to know that my work is not even being evaluated. Moreover it is insulting to be lied to and told that it was "carefully reviewed" though it is obvious it was not.
I don't ask for special privileges or treatment. I don't ask to get a job I'm not qualified for. I just ask to be treated with respect. Some of these HR people will someday find themselves on the other side of the hiring process and let me tell you… karma is a bitch.
do the recruiters who spray and pray by keywords belong in? Sure there are recruiters out there who at least make some semblance of an effort to try and find a fit or make a connection. I'm talking about the ones who are basically telemarketers. I've gotten emails for jobs in manufacturing..I work in marketing! I got an email from a recruiter last week, the job was actually in marketing, how 'bout that. I responded to the recruiter with an updated resume and told him I would call him back to discuss further. The first thing he said to me when I called him was "well, did you bother to read the job description?' I felt like responding, "did you bother to actually read my resume before you spammed me?"
I get it, it's a numbers game for them. The more you throw out there, the better your odds something will stick. I think I've seen more skill from door to door vacuum cleaner salespeople than these fools.
barely human and not much of a resource ……..
This is all too true!!!! unfortunately seems to be the norm these days.
Thank goodness at least someone is taking notice.
Amazing. I thought nobody would believe the things I've been put through in my search for a stable job. I'm in IT sales. I thought maybe the brow beating exercises I've been put through were maybe just part of my industry. I read a few comments here about being stood up for interviews. My dad was suspicious of my story when I told him that a VP did that to me. It was the 3rd time and by a 3rd different company. Bad treatment of job seekers is the rule rather than the exception, at least in the IT industry. Arogance I think is usually the root of the problem moreso than available time. I'm not talking about getting a response to a resume submission, I'm referring to already being engaged and in the interview process. Admittedly, I'm a little desperate to find a position at a stable company before my cash reserves dissapear but I never let that show to a potential employer. However, every time I am treated like dirt by a potential employer it does insure that I not only don't every buy their product, but I won't recommend it as a sales person either. On the other hand, companies that treat me with the same level of respect and dignity that they want from me not only keep me interested for future positions, but also make me want to be in thier business circle so that I can either sell or recommend their products. StorageCraft is just such a company. I recently went through the interview process with StorageCraft and was so impressed by how respectful they treated me that now I look for opportunities to sell their products even though I didn't get the job. It was down to me and another candidate, so I was close. On the other hand, one of the VP's who stood me was at Xerox. I called, I emailed, I called again. 3 months later I am contacted by a recruiter at Xerox who wants to set up a phone interview for a different position but with the same VP. I tactfully explained what had transpired last time and asked if she could insure this phone interview was going to actually happen. It did and of course the matter was brought up by the VP. He gave a B.S. excuse and rambled a bit as if he wasn't even buying his own story. First he claimed he didn't remember the instance then when he did remember he claimed he never got my emails or voice mails. There's no way to sugar coat it, he was lying. Needless to say, I didn't move any further in the process. I don't know why he bothered to talk to me, he'd already decided I wasn't going anywhere on this job opportunity. That's not even the tip of the ice berg of what I've been through, but it's enough.
Excellent article Lauren…I agree with everything you mentioned on here.
I know there is one company I will never do business with… I drove 90 miles to a job interview only to be told when I got there that BOTH people responsible for conducting the interview had called in sick, but neither had contacted me to reschedule the interview. I expressed my displeasure by billing the company for my time. Of course they didn't pay, but I did get a phone call from the President of the company asking exactly what the bill was for!
Would have liked to see a seventh listed: if asked politely and without malice, please give feedback beyond rejection to applicants you interview in person.
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This was a great article with a ton of great comments. It hit the nail on the head for more than just a hiring process. It's also the same in the contracting/consulting world as well.
I've worked with many different 'vendors' as my company is a services org. You have their 'placement' folks do the same thing as a recruiter for an FTE position. They email you wanting to submit one of your ppl's CV for a project that they're involved with, set up a call with you to discuss the project, only to never hear from them or if you do, you get a "I haven't heard anything for a few weeks…", Really, your company has a project with a client that will pay YOU for the people you send them, haven't heard anything for some time and you do nothing about it? Wow, I wish my company was making as much money as them to just throw it away like that.
Please don't start commenting negatively about my above comments. I realize that this is what sales are all about. You have to work on 10+ at a time to potentially make a single sale 6+ months down the road. All I'm saying is that I've witnessed such unprofessional behavior over the past few years. The first impression of EVERY company (from a candidate's perspective) is their recruiting processes. If the recruiting sucks, what should that tell you about how things work internally? Most likely the same. If the hiring manager needs this position filled (and in most cases ASAP because someone really good got fed up and left and now the HM is screwed) and can't/won't give the recruiter feedback, WHY ON EARTH would you ever want to work for them?
A quick, can'ed email to a prospect takes no more than 1 minute of your time. Like stated in the comments, most companies use HR systems that have this functionality. Select the check boxes next to the candidates you want to reject and then click the reject button. The candidate knows to move on and how much time did it really take out of your day?
@whistle blower, very good advice, especially to those who think their !@#$ don't stink. I differ on #6 though. You should absolutely be yourself during the process. You need to be seen (from the potential employers perspective) for who you truly are. A big problem for MANY years is the person you meet during the interview is usually NOT the same person once they're hired. The problem is that the "Corporate World" is looking for instant gratification with their hires for the absolute cheapest $$$. This way, they can grease their own palms.
@Nicole: I'm sure that you're one of the VERY few who do your best to be different than those portrayed in the article/comments. Kudo's to you for that!!! I can tell you from experience that your're the minority. Regarding not getting feedback from the HM. Really, is that the only trigger you have to remind you of a candidate? Sorry, piss poor excuse. EVERYONE is busy!!! If I had an employee come to me and tell me that a part of their project was missed because they didn't get info from so-and-so, I'd hang them over the coals. Everyone is responsible for their piece of the success of every company, both large and (happily) small. How would you like to NOT get paid, call accounting, them tell you they'll get back to you and then you never hear from them?
Say what you want but I MISS the days when their were:
1: "gentlemen's agreements"
2: a handshake would solidify a binding agreement
3: Loyalty to employees
4: common courtesy
5: respect for one another
All of the above I practice each day in hopes the rest of the world will catch on and follow the "new fad"
To: SMB CEO. Thanks! And extra big thanks regarding comment on Nicole : )
I understand where everyone is coming on the issue. I'm not the one that normally posts on one of these things. As @SMB CEO states; I am a minority amongst recruiters. @Liza and others; I can understand why you don't like me, but you are treating me as a scapegoat for your past experience(s).
As a LinkedIn user, I saw this article and was immediately hurt by the choice of words; however, I do see/understand why a lot of people (including myself) agree with this article. My initial reaction was anger; due to someone assuming a recruiter as, for lack of a better term, evil. I am a recruiter and I am not evil. I initially lashed out on this article for my own frustration with potential candidates, whom I try to connect with on a daily basis; majority of which do not give me the time of day.
I am a recent college graduate. I graduated from college in May 2011. I joined the full-time, corporate world in September 2011; at the ripe age of 22. I was a BA graduate with a dual major in Communication Studies and Spanish. I was eager to join the workforce and to start making/saving money towards whatever my future endeavors may be.
I apologize for my initial, frustrated and harsh post; And from there I've only tried to express that I feel every candidates pain, yet my words did not be perceived as I had hoped. My words were taken selectively and treated as though I was "the recruiter" who wasted people's time, ignored them, etc. I have become "the disgruntled candidate's" scapegoat. I refuse to be compared as such.
I have disliked my job since the day I realized that being a recruiter meant that I wasn't supposed to be helping everyone who is nice to me find a job. It is supposed to be about the money and how much money that candidate can make me. I do not care about the money. And I do not follow this thought process.
I wanted other candidates to perhaps see that not all recruiters are "evil" as this article makes them out to be. Perhaps that is why there is so much over-turn in this industry. Genuinely, nice people cannot stand to deal with how candidates are treated in this industry. You guys think being ignored is the greatest of your troubles being a candidate/job-seeker? Let me tell you, it's not. So much goes on behind closed doors. Sophisticated recruiting agencies have candidate databases which recruiters leave comments based upon their interactions with you. One slip-up to get on a recruiter's and/or hiring manager's bad-side, you are "Effed in the A" my friend.
For all of you who dislike me for being honest and giving another side of the story, especially you,Liza; if you have ever worked with me (which you would never know; because, shocker here– Nicole isn't my real name), you would all know me as someone who you always enjoyed working with. In the staffing world, I am considered to be a "bad recruiter" because I am too nice to candidates and give candidates the control over the potential job situation. In case you didn't know, according to the corporate pigs out there, we are the ones who are "supposed to have control"; not you.
As your scapegoat; I hope you will all be happy to hear/read (especially you my sweet Liza), that I will soon be giving up this horrid career. I will be going to school in the Fall for cosmetology. Yes, after receiving a bachelor's degree, my wish is to become a hairdresser; something I have wanted to be since I was a little girl.
One last thing to @SMB CEO; not getting feedback from the "HM" aka Hiring Manager is not the only trigger I have to be reminded of a candidate. If you read carefully, you will find that not getting feedback from the "HM" (as you put it) is why I sometimes forget about candidates. Please get your story straight.
Peace. Love. Happiness. It's not Occupy Wall Street, etc. It's Occupy Greedy Capitalists of the USA. I'll leave you with this quote by Albert Einstein; "Most people are incapable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions".
Yes, it's the right thing to do and also a good opportunity to promote your company. During my job search I was never more impressed than the way a certain high tech company treated me during the process. Although I didn't get the job, I still have a good feeling for the company.
It's very common now a days to call candidates for an interview and get your real world problem solved on the name of "TEST". I've been passed through this many times. At the end employers send emails that they've fill the position with internal resources.
This happens a lot in IT, User Experience field. They called for rounds and rounds of interviews to get educated. It's a 2 to 3 hours learning session instead of interview.
@Nicole – I understand your position and applaud your decision to move on from such an ugly industry. It takes courage to stay true to yourself and remain fully human when the corporate machine would much rather us all behave and blindly obey instruction like robots.
My "favourite" story from working with recruiters…
I was contacted by a recruiter about an intersting position. I agreed that I would like to put in an application. A couple of weeks later the recruiter told me that I was shortlisted for an interview and that he would get back to me the next day with a date and time. Never heard from him again. WTF!?
This is by design. Corporate employers caesed investing in their employees twenty five years ago by establishing a trend toward staffing Human Resource Departments with MBA's who had no interest, experience or compassion in hiring practices. It was bottom line financial hiring budgets without regard for the human lives they impacted. I experienced this twenty years ago employed as a Hospice and Palliative Care RN Case Manager. There was no interest in our health as Nurses. Administration continued to assign and overwork Nurses until the attrition rate was 80%. Nursing Shortage? Ask why and this is the the answer. Worse conditions exist in Hospitals where direct care and concern is no longer allowed and the profession is burning Nurses like wildfire. Employers used to be invested in their workforce, valued the work produced and rewarded for retention. There is no legacy for a company or entity that refuses to act like a responsible and compassionate contributor to society as a whole. Gone are the Mission Statements in Action. Gone are the advocats for lifetime investment of a loyal hard working skilled workforce. Getting work accomplished through qualified skilled human beings with reciprocating compensation and investment no longer exists. Nurses have allowed corporate entities to dictate our practices and insurance companies tell us how long we can care for patients. There is no time for compassion and empathy in any human service delivery system in this country.
I received an email 2 weeks ago from a financial services firm, asking for my availability so an interview can be scheduled. I responded with my availability dates/times and never heard back. I emailed them after a week just to check in on the status, and still no response. Ridiculous.
Great Job Gerry! Once again you've hit the nail on the head (not surprised)! We've been talking about this for years with our clients… thanks for getting it out to the masses! Thanks for agreeing to speak at the HR Tampa (www.hrtampa.org) Expo on November 7th! Everyone is looking forward to hearing you speak!
Amen I am currently looking for a position in specialty chemical Procurmement and as a future customer there are a number of companies "off my list"
All very good but it never happens, and after a frustrating 8 months searching for employment, perhaps the worst was when I was short-listed to an HR position at a agricultural company. They said they would get back to me after a week. Six weeks later, after no word, I called and apparently it was the job of their new hire to send the Dear John to the other two candidates. Epic Fail
Due to various restructures I have applied for many jobs over many months and I find the worst indication of my lack of importance as a candidate or human being to HR is a call over a month after receiving my application in which they mumble the company name and ask – "what about the job made you apply". A month and 100 other applications later – which job was that?,
Also, many jobs are advertised just to test the market and disappear with no-one hired ("we couldn't get sign off") after wasting my time and extracting personal information I would not have shared if I had known it was just an exercise for them.
People remember the companies that treat them badly. I have a list of employers I would never choose because they have indicated to me they are disorganised and do not demonstrate respect despite their highly advertised "values"..
Recruiting and Recruiters in a vast majority of cases just do not work too professionally in my opinion. They treat Candidates as COMMODITIES, nothing more nothing less. There is very few exception to this behaviour. They operate like in the Stock Exchange. Nothing is less personal now then treating with a Recruiter, the worst one are those that are constantly fishing out RESUME to build their DATABASE for NEWSLETTER, BLOG and the likes. It is a real turn off and serious companies looking for serious candidates better take notice, because on top of the frustration related to impersonal treatment, the candidates might just never buy anything from such a company that is so CHEAP that they can invest in their own recruitment properly.
The phenomenon described in this article is just another manifestation of the same dysfunction of management education: the false doctrine that any decision regarding the allocation of resources is subjugated to cutting cost, increasing profit margins and raising operational efficiency. Treating people or the environment with courtsey and respect simply no longer meets the test. Now we are suffering the consequences en what do we do? Treat the symptoms instead of the root cause! In the end, owner/shareholder interests dominate that of none owners/shareholders. Lets get real!
I was very successful during the 2 first rounds, then things got totally bonkers when in within 48 hours, I was asked for an appointment to be done within a day, then told that postponing is needed (and that I'll get the interview anyway), just to receive a barely personalized template email a few hours later, thanking me for my time and interest –blah– telling me I'm not retained as "there were many qualified people", that they can't give me the job "for now", and that I should keep an eye open for "future needs". WTH? I've had a rejection letter, and that's fine. What is not OK though is to play with my nerves and emotions during a whole month. I still love the company, but the recruiter is definitely blacklisted!
Very important- IF you are on unemployment insurance and actually reporting wages as you work for a recruiter, you must read their policy. In my state, you must report "availability" within 48 hours or else your unemployment will get revoked!! Have the agency explain the policy, get a copy of it. I worked with a recruiter that I will NEVER ever use that cost me 2 months of fighting with unemployment and loss of income over recruiter's silly mistakes. Their corporate office later submitted their error letter to unemployment and failed to show up for the telephone hearing. I won!
If you have to work with recruiters, do not rely on them. I look everyday in all sorts of job boards to hired directly. Currently temping for a company that lost 4 employees in the month I've been here- due to fears the company will go under. I get the collection calls daily! They will not answer them. Scary Stuff!! People here say the company will be fine, citing different things. I'm still nervous.
After reading all the comments and the articles, I found it helpful. After 29 years as an IT recruiter, I can attest to the lack of professionals if the field…but there are some Great recruiters out there that I have met.
Interview the recriuter when he/she calls you and see if they will share their experience with you ans how long they have been recruiting, then decide if you will work with them or not.
Also ask "what is your experience with this client?" to see if they really know them.
I love even the thought of this article. So many companys have no loyalty to employees. In the end we dont want to patron you.
Great story.
Electrical Engineers
I have had this experience since I hit the job market after college (I graduated in 2008). I believe this is a symptom of the economic downturn. I noticed right away, the job market was like trying to find a date, but there are 10 men to 1 woman in the room and all the guys are clamoring to get a chance to throw their number at her. My personality is this…dont do that unless it looks promising. That is how I found work, but not before I threw my resume out to companies that mostly ignored me.
I have held down a job for the last 3 years, and thinking that the job market looks better…I thought I'd start applying for a better job. For the past year I have been applying to what seems to be promising leads and I get NO RESPONSE! Finally I found a job that actually picked up the phone to talk to me, but they are really no different. They just collect applications/resumes. I discovered they have been doing this for a good solid 4 months. Yesterday they said they would call me after work, and they didnt. At this point I'm interviewing them, I want to know about the company and whats going on here.
On top of that I have encountered many scams as well, Resume farms that put up bogus job ads and do god-knows with your information.


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