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Roberta Kathleen Nedry, President
Roberta Nedry, Founder and President of Hospitality Excellence, Inc., has spent her career exploring guest experience management, training techniques and impact, and exceptional service. Since launching her firm in 1999, Roberta and her team have trained over 30,000 employees, managers and students in all facets of service excellence and just what it takes to make moments memorable. She has consulted with executives and managers on transforming customer experiences and the evaluation, mapping and design of each experience touchpoint. The Hospitality Excellence Team is internationally recognized for its expertise in taking service to new levels of excellence and for implementing service excellence as a business success strategy in many industries. Roberta focuses on the link between experience delivery and revenue generation and provides competitive advantage strategies for driving loyalty and profitability.
Previously the General Manager for the International Concierge Institute and the International School of Tourism for the United States, Latin America and the Caribbean, Roberta writes an international business column on service excellence and guest service in the Hotel Business Review, serves on the editorial board of HotelExecutive.com and has been a guest columnist for The Triton, an international mega-yacht publication. She has held many training, marketing and communication leadership roles in a variety of business and professional service firms. Considered an expert in customer, client and guest service, Roberta's expertise is also published and sought by the financial, retail, healthcare, transportation, call center, food service, commercial real estate and non-profit industries and she is frequently quoted in USA Today and other mainstream media.
She was awarded International Honorary Membership and gold keys in Les Clefs d 'Or, the international association of professional concierges from top four and five star resorts worldwide and has been keynote speaker and training facilitator at their International, Pan American and European Congresses in Lisbon, Portugal, Washington DC, Toronto, Canada, and London, England, Germany, Las Vegas and many more, working with the top 3% of professional concierges representing 43 countries. Based on demand for her expertise, she designed and launched 3DServicesm —a New Dimension in Service Excellence, a unique online training and certification program, now available to a worldwide audience and has a book and other publishing projects under development. She was recently the featured expert on Guest Experience Management at the inaugural Boutique Lodging and Lifestyle Association Conference in Los Angeles.
Trained in Guest Relations through Walt Disney Productions and a two time Disney "Ambassador to the world" finalist, Roberta holds a B.A. In Linguistics from UCLA and is fluent in French, proficient in German and Spanish, with studies in Japanese and Italian. A former California's Junior Miss, Roberta served the Florida's Distinguished Young Women of America ( formerly Junior Miss) Scholarship Program as Mistress of Ceremonies for the State Finals and served on the Florida and California Junior Miss Board of Directors , the Florida Chamber of Commerce, numerous hospitality associations and led the statewide marketing efforts of the American Cancer Society. She served on the Advisory Council of Pine Crest School and resides in Lauderdale by the Sea, Florida in the United States.
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Pam Evans, Director of Training
Pam is a seasoned Learning and Development Professional with extensive experience in organizational diagnosis, and the design and facilitation of both large and small scale professional development events. She is a results driven team player with excellent organization, communication and interpersonal skills.
Recognized for her energetic and engaging presentation style, she has over 20 years of experience designing, developing and facilitating leadership, customer service, team building, communication and employee recognition initiatives. Pam held senior leadership positions with organizations such as Marriott Host International, Hilton Hotels, Holiday Inn World Wide, Federated Department Stores and First Management Services. While in those positions, Pam developed and delivered training programs that led to improvement in management and leadership effectiveness, service delivery and employee engagement. She is also the co- designer and lead presenter for the highly successful SUNsational Service program in South Florida in which over 20,000 employees and managers have been trained to date and 250 employees have been certified as SUNsational Service Trainers.
Her experience in designing and delivering customized content in over 25 industries along with top evaluation scores and feedback from clients allow her to effectively lead the Training Team for Hospitality Excellence. Pam is also an executive and management coach and effectively facilitates conflict resolution and employee perception studies.
Pam received her Bachelor of Science degree in Psychology from the State University at Oneonta, New York. She is a Certified MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) Practitioner. Pam is actively involved in numerous professional organizations such as the Coconut Creek and Coral Springs Chamber of Commerces, the Hospitality Human Resources Association of Broward County, and the Association of Talent Development (ATD). She currently sits on the board of ATD South Florida as the Vice President of Member Services.
Virginia Casale, Director of Global Education
Virginia Casale's work and expertise in the hospitality and tourism industries for more than 30 years has placed her at the top of her profession. She was a member of Les Clefs d'Or for 25 years. Les Clefs d'Or is the prestigious international association of top hotel concierges of the world. She held the title of International President, UICH, Les Clefs d'Or from 2011-2013 and has been sitting on the Executive board since 2005. She rose to the coveted leadership role as only the second woman (and first Canadian) to do so in 62 years. She was also the first woman to become President of Les Clefs d'Or Canada where she served for 3 mandates, six consecutive years, from 1999 to 2005.
Virginia is the General Manager for the International Concierge Institute and the International School of Tourism for the United States, Latin America and the Caribbean. She writes an international business column on guest experience management and guest service in the Hotel Business Review and other publications. Virginia serves on the editorial board of HotelExecutive.com and was featured in Excellence, the Belgian Hospitality Magazine.
Ms. Lasale was awarded International Honorary Membership in Les Clefs d 'Or, the international association of hotel concierges worldwide. Roberta is also Honorary Member of Les Clefs d'Or USA for all her years of contribution to the image and education of the concierge profession. She was keynote speaker and training facilitator at International Congresses in Lisbon, Washington DC, Toronto, London, Cologne, Las Vegas, Qatar, New Zealand and more, working with the top 3% of professional concierges, representing 43 countries.
Ms. Lasale was the featured expert on Guest Experience Management at the inaugural Boutique Lodging and Lifestyle Association Conference in Los Angeles. She enjoyed the honor of being a two-time Disney "Ambassador to the World" finalist. Roberta has also served Florida's Distinguished Young Women of America (formerly Junior Miss) Scholarship Program as Mistress of Ceremonies for the State Finals. Additionally, she served on the Florida and California Junior Miss Board of Directors, the Florida Chamber of Commerce, numerous hospitality associations and led the statewide marketing efforts of the American Cancer Society.
Ms. Lasale holds a BA in Linguistics from UCLA and is fluent in French, proficient in German and Spanish and has studied Japanese and Italian.
Elaine Oksner
Elaine Oksner is Past President of Les Clefs D'Or, USA the professional concierge membership association representing the highest standards of service excellence and ultimate service. In this role, she traveled internationally representing the concierge profession to the business community and to business leaders worldwide. She is the former Chef Concierge of the Breakers Resort, Palm Beach, one of only two Five Star, Five Diamond hotel properties in the state of Florida. Previously she served as Chef Concierge for the Four Seasons in Palm Beach and the Park Hyatt in Washington, DC. She has been the recipient of numerous awards and has served as President of Washington, DC and Palm Beach, Florida concierge associations which she helped to establish.
Elaine was also one of 100 delegates selected by President Clinton to attend and participate in the first White House Conference on Travel and Tourism. Ms. Oksner is a frequent lecturer on "Managing the Guest Service Staff" and "The Ethics of Service Delivery" and remains an active teacher and leader in the concierge profession. She has been a lead instructor/trainer for the International Concierge Institute and provides guest and concierge service training, consulting, development and mystery shopper services for Hospitality Excellence, Inc. She also remains on the concierge staff of the Four Seasons, Palm Beach. She has a BA from Adelphi University and did postgraduate work at George Washington University. She can be reached at 954.739.5299 or email@example.com.
Lisa Delman
A master at effecting change, Lisa R. Delman, M.A. innately inspires individuals and organizations to evolve and unleash their magic. Her Leadership and Team Building Skills have earned her the Masters Award through the University of Phoenix South Florida in June 2011 for excellent instruction in the classroom and educational leadership.
Certified as an Executive Leadership Coach and Facilitator, Lisa helps generate conversations of value that empower others to achieve great success and facilitates executives and teams to define their vision, strategy and action plan. Lisa helps her clients, customers and students achieve optimum performance with a deep knowledge of desired outcomes. She supports excellence, progress and success and has continuously received accolades in all her endeavors.
Understanding the importance of both people and process, Lisa is passionate about exceeding expectations. As a manager for over 10 years in the Foodservice Healthcare Industry with Diamond Crystal Specialty Foods, Lisa pioneered and spearheaded the launch of a private label while developing sales trainings, pricing, strategies and distributor relations growing the business to 5 million. She is a Published Author with Penguin Group (2005), Dear Mom, I've Always Wanted You to Know… and has received national media attention from newspapers, magazines, and radio. Lisa earned a Masters of Arts Degree in Organizational Management and is a member of ASTD South Florida, American Society for Training and Development.
Alex Santos
Alex Santos, M.S., M.B.A., S.P.H.R., is a senior human resources and training executive with over 17 years of progressive experience. Alex's work in private industry has focused heavily on the development of learning systems that transform employee performance from ordinary, to remarkable. Alex's expertise lies in building systems that support and reward service excellence at every level of the organization. He accomplishes this by combining organizational development strategies and tactics to blended learning programs with line of sight alignment to clearly defined performance goals.
He earned his Master of Science in Instructional Systems from The Florida State University, and his Master of Business Administration from The University of Miami. In addition, he holds the coveted Senior Professional in Human Resources certification from the Human Capital Institute. Alex has developed courses for use by the U.S. Navy, CSX Transportation, Visa International, Ocean Bank, Fontainebleau Resorts, and the Ritter Academy. Additionally, Alex is the VP of Programs for South Florida ASTD's Miami GIG, a chapter of the American Society for Training and Development.
Marco M. Pinna
Marco serves as Chairman and President of The Language Academy and develops multi cultural language programs for business executives and university students. A political science graduate from the University of Rome, Italy, Marco was born in Tunisia, grew up in France and Italy and speaks fluent French, Spanish, Italian and English. He launched The Language Academy after selling his yacht building business, Intermarine Yachts, using practical business applications, personalized attention, customer service, and multi-cultural programming as the key elements of The Language Academy's success. Marco and his executive team maintain an extensive network with corporations, travel agents and schools worldwide and incorporates the American Way of Doing Business into curriculums that fast track executives into finance, law, journalism, economics, human resources and international trade. Marco serves as a member of the National Italian American Foundation, the Greater Ft. Lauderdale Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of International Educators and the European Council of International Schools.
Kesh Prasad
Based in metro Washington DC area, Mr. Prasad runs a software start up. As of now, his operations evaluation software based on customer feedback has nearly 100 installations among hotels, restaurants, casinos, golf courses, auto-dealers and retail stores at locations in the US, the Caribbean, Latin America and India (www.hotelqms.com and www.restaurantqms.com). He is also an executive in residence at School of Business, George Washington University where he has taught graduate level courses in tourism and hospitality management and is a consultant to National Geographic Imaging. Mr. Prasad began his career as a member of faculty at the Indian Institute of Management in Ahmedabad after receiving MBA degree from Harvard Business School. Next he became Managing Director of a Royal Dutch Shell's joint venture – Wavin India in Madras, India that manufactured and marketed plastic pipes for agriculture and rural development. Later he worked in New Delhi with Mr. P.R.S Oberoi, Chairman, Oberoi Hotels International (www.oberoihotels.com) as Vice President, Planning and Control with oversight responsibilities for hotels in India, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Sri Lanka and Bali. He returned to the US and worked with Promus Hotels owners of Embassy Suites, Hampton Inn and Homewood Suites brands with nearly 1200 hotels (now Hilton www.hilton.com) in research and strategy in Memphis, TN. He then became Director, Hotel Practice, J. D. Power and Associates in Southern California (www.jdpa.com) where his clients included Ritz Carlton, Disney World, Omni, Atlantis, Hyatt and others. His next assignment before locating in metro DC area was with Opinion Research, Princeton, NJ as Vice President, Customer Satisfaction and Loyalty Practice.
Mr. Prasad has co-authored a book on marketing concepts and cases published by Tata-McGraw Hill in India and articles for Cornell Hotel Quarterly and Cornell Hospitality Research Center.
Michael G. Platner, Director & Board Member
Michael has spent the last 15 years building ways to connect people on the web. He founded and was previously CEO of LifeFiles.com, the first online memorial and obituary application, Aldor Solutions, a SAAS application, and LayeredTech.com, one of the world's fastest growing web hosts. He is an early stage investor and adviser to Cognasys, an expert software system developer and 3tera, the leading cloud software computing platform developer. Michael is also a corporate finance and technology lawyer with Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith LLP.
Jim Faulhaber, Chief Information Officer
Jim has over 15 years of experience in media including the internet and print publications. His focus has been on marketing and technology at Worth International Media Group, Borrell Technology and Time-Warner, Inc. Jim has been involved with numerous media distribution projects throughout his career and is responsible for implementing brand maximization strategies and fulfilling technical requirements. Jim is a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) and also holds an MBA.
Guest Experience Management Leaders
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When we as a species use language to communicate and engage with one another, we have a certain understanding that certain words mean certain things. That is the entire purpose of language, effective communication between human beings that can be easily understood. As a result, we should be able to assume that when government bureaucrats utilize words that are commonplace within society, that these w ...Read more ›

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Hampton Inn Martin is located in Martin.
Make yourself at home in one of the air-conditioned rooms featuring microwaves. Bathrooms with bathtubs are provided. Conveniences include complimentary newspapers and irons/ironing boards, and you can also request rollaway/extra beds.
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Be a Hero…for a day…for a week…for a lifetime!
What's it like to be a real-life hero and work to save lives and help people? Come find out at CampHERO from real-world heroes in our community. CampHERO is THE place for girls who want to find out what it's really like to be a firefighter, police officer or EMT!
CampHERO helps girls find courage, gain confidence and build character while learning skills and exploring careers.
The program is safe, hands-on and age appropriate. Every girl who attends will create memories for a lifetime — she may even discover her future career.
Visit the CampHERO website for lots more details and exciting photos from CampHERO: www.camphero4girls.org.
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It's Easy!
Register for CampHERO here or at www.CampHERO4girls.org. You can also use the paper registration form in the camp book. Reminder! Read and follow all registration instructions carefully. CampHERO registration is only confirmed once all the pre-camp forms are completed. Do this well before June 10 to reserve your spot at this popular camp!
Campership Grant forms can be downloaded at www.badgerlandcamps.org or a hard copy can be mailed by contacting firstname.lastname@example.com or 800.236.2710 x4303. Camperships for CampHERO follow the deadline for all Badgerland Camperships: April 1, 2014.
MAIL completed CampHERO form packet to:
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CampHERO – Senior/Ambassador
(This is also a Girl Scout destinations trip! Meet girls from around the country at CampHERO.)
CampHERO is an opportunity like no other. Be prepared for a real-life experience that is designed specifically for girls in grades 9-12. Spend a week living and training just like professional firefighters, EMTs and police officers. You'll bunk at 'the station' (Camp Brandenburg) with your crew and train at various facilities around Madison. The week is packed with activities from all three careers. You'll learn how to use the jaws of life to extricate a crash victim, handcuff a suspect, conduct a patient assessment, care for an ill or injured person, rappel down the side of a building, communicate using radios and much more!
Grades 9-12
Dates July 13 (2 pm) – July 18 (7 pm)
Cost $375
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CampHERO – Cadette
Spend four days living and training with your crew just like real firefighters, police officers and EMTs. The CampHERO experience takes you in-depth into topics like pursuing a criminal in a foot chase, lifting and examining fingerprints, searching for a fire victim, attacking a fire, immobilizing an injured person, CPR and more! Overnights are spent at 'the station' (Camp Brandenburg) where you'll bunk, perform station duties and hang out with CampHERO Crew Leaders.
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Dates July 20 (2 pm) – July 23 (7 pm)
Cost $225
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Make new friends as you explore the excitement and challenges that police officers, firefighters and EMTs face every day. During the day you will train with professionals at facilities around Madison. Learn about fingerprinting, police tactics, search & rescue, first aid, ropes & knots, bandages & splinting and so much more! Overnight you'll enjoy a meal with your crew and bunk at 'the station' (Camp Brandenburg), just like real firefighters!
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CampHERO - Brownie
Brownies spend a full day getting to know real firefighters, police officers and EMTs. Girls will make new friends with their crew members as they are led by CampHERO volunteers. The day is packed with fun activities such as learning about the swirls and whirls of fingerprinting, searching for someone who is lost or hurt, putting out fires and giving first-aid to someone who is sick. You'll get to check out fire trucks, ambulances and police cars. It's a day to remember!
Note: Girls will be placed into groups; if attending with a friend, use "request buddy" on the registration form.
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Dates July 19 (8 am to 5 pm)
Cost $30
Location Fire Service Training Grounds, Madison
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CampHERO – Daisy
You and your adult buddy will spend time with police officers, firefighters, and EMTs while they lead you through activity stations. You'll do exciting things like fingerprinting, bandaging & splinting, fighting "fire" and learning about what happens when you dial 911. This program is designed for a girl to attend with a parent/guardian or other trusted adult.
Note: Adult partner is free to attend. Optional adult t-shirt is $12; order when registering your CampHERO camper. No tag-a-longs permitted.
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I have my test ESXi server running on a crappy 3 year old RM P4 3.6 single core Workstation with 2 gig ram?
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It's the HDD's that are 99% most likely to fail, as long as your using good reliable SAS drives (not Deathstar's) and are using Raid 5 with hotspare you should get 99%+ uptime.
You want to be using "enterprise" class hardware if your virtualising your whole network - anything by HP/DELL/IBM/Adaptec should be ultra fast and reliable. If your basing your SAN on some kind of Buffalo or Netgear jobby then I guess you'd better prepare for downtime?
Still, if you've got it working on the P4, thats quality!
Have you tried the latest version?
ESXi 3.5 seems to install on any workstation I try it on, it also doesnt sem bothered what storage you use, SATA, SAS, SCSI, etc.
I tried an older version quite a long time ago and it was very restricted it would only run on SCSI drives etc.
Does EsXpress backup EXSi 4? I've looked on the website but can't see that it does.
Hi David
Here is another suggestion for you, I been using lately a mirrored iSCSI target call StarWind, it covers ESXi and every fig else, cheek it
Firs I suggest test the trial starwindsoftware.com/starwind-enterprise-server
Hello. This tool is also free and it will backup ESXi.
Veeam FastSCP 3.0 for VMware ESX / ESXi - VMware file Management.
Yes, you can use VCB (VMWare Consolidated Backup) with Backup Exec 12.5 assuming you get the VMWare vSphere 4 Essentials license which comes with the following:
1. vCenter Mgmt Server 4
2. 3x ESX(i) licenses
esXpress is now in version 4 (re-named PHD Virtual backup for VMware). We also have an ESXi solution on our roadmap with beta coming in September.
We'll also be at VMworld this year so if any of you are going drop by booth #115.
Feel free to message me also for more info.
A good cheap pay product is either vRanger or Veeam
Back up exec just see the virtual machine as a whole vmdk file where as vranger will break it down and allow file level restore etc.
PHD Virtual Backup for ESXi, ESX, and Citrix Xenserver (formerly esXpress) is now on version 5.1 as of yesterday.
You can download free trials of they solution here: http://www.phdvirtual.com/solutions
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Does Having HPV Mean I Have Hiv
Here's a taste of what TheBody.com has to offer on this topic:
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Does HIV mean my Anal HPV pain will be forever?Hello. I'm a gay man who has anal warts. In order to treat them my doctor recommended surgery under anaesthetic. I had my first surgery about 12 months ago. I had a lot of pain for a few weeks, but after that it was fine. I had a recurrence...
Response from Keith Henry, M.D.
University of Minnesota, School of MedicineManagement of anal warts due to HPV infection can be challenging even in the HIV-negative population. HIV+ persons often have a more difficult time managing recurrent anal warts. Getting treated for the HIV with recovery of immune function may help... Read more »
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Increased Anal Cancer Risk From HIV Plus HPV Dual InfectionThis article was reported by Medical Xpress . An article in Medical Xpress showed that older HIV-infected men who have sex with men (MSM) are at higher risk of infection from the strains of human papilloma virus (HPV) that cause anal cancer.... Read more »
Lower Immune Response to the qHPV Vaccine in HIV-Positive GirlsLower immune response was observed in HIV-positive adolescent girls compared to HIV-negative girls given the human papillomavirus quadrivalent (qHPV) vaccine. But the response was comparable to that in older negative women for whom this level of... Read more »
High Rate of New Infections With HPV Types Associated With a High Risk of Anal Cancer Among Gay Men Living With HIVThis article was reported by NAM aidsmap . NAM aidsmap reported that the incidence of anal infection with strains of cancer-causing human papillomavirus (HPV) is high among HIV-positive gay men. Researchers in San Francisco conducted a prospective... Read more »
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SpaceX 'Dragon V2' ROCKET PODULE can hover-land on Earth - or MARS
Elon Musk has unveiled the manned rocket he hopes will win his upstart rocket startup SpaceX the contract to ferry 'nauts to and from the International Space Station – and set humanity on the path to Martian colonisation. Youtube Video Musk lived up to the Tony Stark comparisons with a glitzy ceremony to literally unveil the …
Well done
Hank Scorpio Elon Musk
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Seriously, awesome reveal.
Maybe after this, Musk should consider adopting a large white Persian cat.
Re: Hooray!
No need...
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""Seriously, awesome reveal."
No, there was no awe there. There was a standard, managed by marketing, reveal of a new product.
The show was just a bit "samey" on a par with a new car launch except the presenter/host is obviously an amateur at that sort of thing. Stilted presentation and he kept making weird noises obviously forgetting the mic was on.
On the other hand, the actual product is very impressive and I can't wait to see it fly (and land!!)
But how ?
But how does the falling curtain at the ceremony work? Where did it go?
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@ John Brown
Ah, my lad, where you not just a boy in shorts in the 1960's? If you where, life has made you cynical, if not, the magic you missed.
Truly as a young boy, I remember sitting in the barbers in front of a black and white fuzzy portable thing and the only reason I would accept the trip was the TV was their.
Musk has brought back the magic, the dreams and the vision, all those years ago it took super powers on the brink of nuclear war.
I like the cut of his jib :-)
Re: But how ?
Two big Hoovers either side of the Dragon sucked them up!
I had to do a re-take :)
Re: But how ?
Heh heh, you bet I did one too, immediately... inquiring minds and all that...
Elon Musk for world president, I say!
Re: SPACE!!!
World president? Are you crazy? We have already enough problems with the US president.
Re: SPACE!!!
"We have already enough problems with the US president."
- and the next one is...? Hilary or Jeb. Please No.
Re: SPACE!!!
Jeb Bush, don't think so. Karl Rove is dead.
Jeb Kerman, on the other hand, would make a perfect partner in Government for Elon Musk...
Marketing challenge
No doubt the SpaceX people have worked through all of the connotations of calling a rocket the 'V2'.
Re: Marketing challenge
Probably not something of issue in the US since they were rather too far away to be in range :)
Re: Marketing challenge
not to mention spiriting nazi rocket scientists back stateside after the war.
Re: Marketing challenge
SpaceX aren't calling it the V2, they're calling it Dragon V2. As in, version 2. Most reporters, including the Reg, seem to be shortening it to just V2.
Re: Marketing challenge
Not to mention the fact that the Russian's spirited their OWN Nazi rocket scientists away as well, only they spent more of their time in a Gulag like enviroment.
The US Army Air Corp was alot more accomodating of their "guests" needs.
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"Most reporters, including the Reg, seem to be shortening it to just V2"
At least no one seems to be calling it two point oh.
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"not to mention spiriting nazi rocket scientists back stateside after the war."
Not just the scientists. They took 300 rail cars of parts stateside as well. In any case, the Vergeltungswaffe 2 was designated V-2, not V2, so I don't think the name should cause anyone to confuse a modern spacecraft with a 70 year old ballistic missile.
Funding challenge sorted
"Musk announced that the V2 can transport up to seven 'nauts.. You will be able to land anywhere on Earth with the accuracy of a helicopter,"
Or 4 Space Marines with their equipment. Once the trademarks are resolved. Impressive bit of technology though.
Re: Funding challenge sorted
Closer to being a Dreadclaw I think.
Although they aren't that 'accurate' in canon... just mental psycho-crazy AIs.
V2 taxicab
Part of Hailo now too?
Sssh. Keep that under your hat.
lander legs and fuel
If this was explained in the vid, I apologize. Crappy work connection this morning wouldn't let me view it.
The lander legs extend from the bottom, i.e. "through" the heat shield (assuming a fixed, reusable, Shuttle-style shield). Given that we have seen the results of imperfections or small holes in that type of surface (Shuttle Columbia), would it not have been better to have the legs extend from the SIDES of the craft and leave the bottom an unbroken surface?
Also, are the "lander rockets" going to fire almost all of the way down? That's an awful lot of fuel. Seems like it would be simpler to use parachutes most of the way then the rockets in the last minute or two for decelleration to soft landing on the legs.
Regardless, though, REALLY excited to see this. Anything that advances our human spaceflight options is good news.
Re: lander legs and fuel
The video didn't really talk about the landing legs, so I don't know.
You won't need to fire the engines all the way down though. The atmosphere will be slowing the spacecraft down as it thickens, while the capsule plummets towards the ground. It then fires up the engines for a test run. If the computer or drivers don't like the looks of this, it turns them back off again, and deploys parachutes. I presume it'll normally come down by the coast, so it can do an emergency water landing by parachute if required, and only manoeuvre over land once it's proved the engines are working.
If everything's fine, then it turns the engines on for a bit more slow-downeyness. Given that it's the opposite of an aerodynamic shape, terminal velocity in the lower atmosphere isn't going to be very fast, So I'd imagine it will slow itself down from stupid speeds, and then idle the jets for a bit while falling, before doing the final braking at very low level.
Re: lander legs and fuel
Erm. where do you think the Shuttle's landing gear extended from? As well as the large (18") pipes to the external tank, which were covered by doors too. Intentional holes can actually be engineered to not be a problem.
And no, the rockets don't fire all the way down, just a bit at the end, just like the Lunar Module landing on the Moon.
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Any chance...
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It's empty!
If that were the set for a sci-fi film you'd be laughed at -- not nearly enough in the way of switches, lights and buttons.
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"If that were the set for a sci-fi film you'd be laughed at -- not nearly enough in the way of switches, lights and buttons."
Not only that, but not nearly enough pointless and meaningless switches, lights and buttons -- at least, for a 1950s "B" sci-fi filck.
Actually, the instrumentation in Dragon V2 looks more like the instrument panels in the spacecraft in Kubrick's 2001 -- lots of video panels displaying multiple types of engineering and flight data, and which look as if they have an actual function and purpose.
Re: It's empty!
'Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Striker. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking, beeping and flashing - they're flashing and they're beeping. I can't stand it anymore! They're blinking and beeping and flashing! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug?'
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Fantastic. I wonder how many here got your UFO quote. That was and still is a favorite show of mine and the episode you quote from was a Mind Bender (Pun intended).
Re: It's empty!
Occasionally I do some sci fi 3D modeling and I've often heard the same complaint. "Not enough greeble!"
To which I reply, "That is SO last century, grandpa!"
Here is Spaceship One's cockpit.
Notice the lack of clutter.
Here's the Space Shuttle cockpit.
Amazing what a difference 18 years make. (from shuttle's first test flight to Spaceship One's first maiden flight)
Re: It's empty!
Actually, you should have gotten a pic of the Shuttle cockpit before the MEDS overhaul, back when it had all the analog steam gauges,
Re: It's empty!
..steam gauges and magnetic core memory. Early NVRAM. It was functional. The interior of the Dragon does look rather sparse, presumably because the passengers can't really do much during ascent & descent to fly the pod? But hopefully this will make turning the space station into a waystation for a manned Moon or Mars base easier.
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As much as I appreciate the clean design, I can't help but wonder what exactly is one supposed to use to stabilize a capsule potentially spinning wildly out of control, as in that Agena incident way back...? Yes I saw that space-mouse thingy in the centre, but it doesn't look like something you can control a spacecraft with in conditions that make even moving one's arm rather hard...
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Seems to me that nowadays that's the kind of task best suited to a computer, not a bloke with a joystick. If the computer fails you're kinda up the creek anyway; it's not like you're going to take manual control and pilot it down yourself.
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That's as maybe, but the Space Shuttle cockpit -- which you show in its last iteration before the fleet was decommissioned -- looks waaaayyy cooler. Reminds me a lot of this.
Just for comparison, here's STS-1 crewmen Young and Crippen in the Columbia cockpit, circa 1981. There's two small computer displays, and the rest is all "traditional" gauges, readouts, and classic "8-ball" displays, bearing a closer resemblance to the old Apollo CM panels than the later "glass cockpit" the Shuttles were flying in the last years before they were retired.
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"...If the computer fails you're kinda up the creek anyway; it's not like you're going to take manual control and pilot it down yourself..."
Uhhmmm... y'mean, the way Neil Armstrong seized control and steered the LM clear of a boulder field that the computer was steering them into on the way down to Tranquillity?
"My heart would be a fireball...!"
Is it just me or does the Dragon V2, in orbital configuration, look like the front end of the old Fireball XL5?
I think it's the fins.
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Er. That's quite uncanny. Good spot, that man.
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Everything's better with fins!
It's so long ago, that I'd forgotten what Fireball XL5 looked like. Even though I still remember all the words of the theme tune {Ahem! Best keep quiet about that. - Ed]. But it isn't just you.
Not only does the orbital module thingy have fins, but it also has that clever solar panel on the side. So you don't need the complication of moveable arms to deploy them, which sometimes fail - as well as carrying the weight on the capsule when it lands.
Now the next trick I'm hoping for, is for SpaceX to start re-using those as well. Little bolt together modules which form SpaceX's very own space station. Although it'll probably then turn out that he's been working on a vast orbital laser, and will launch his inevitale global domination attempt from his new space platform. But I can forgive him for that, if I get to go to space first.
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MIke Flugennock,
I'm thinking of changing the upvote I gave you to a downvote. Since reading your excellent spot, I've been unable to stop the Fireball XL5 theme going through my head. Plus occasionally bursting into song. I'm going to be singing it all weekend! In my best 50s rock'n'roll voice.
I suppose I do wish I were a spaceman. Although I don't care so much about being the fastest guy alive. Just one of them will do fine. I'll make sure I keep some antacids around, in case my heart does become a fireball though.
Re: "My heart would be a fireball...!"
Everything's better with fins!
Obviously. But they are still severely lacking in the 'lasers' department. Then we can just slap the shark-teeth decal on the nose-cone and call it a day...
Re: "My heart would be a fireball...!"
Same here, man. That theme was stuck in my head for days afterwards.
That's a seriously sexy command pod. Jeb will be jealous.
"You will be able to land anywhere on Earth with the accuracy of a helicopter"
How long before Top Gear attempt to land one on a skoda? With the retro-rockets, that could be interesting! Mr Clarkson, would you mind driving this skoda...
"... with an improved heat shield..."
"... with an improved heat shield capable of withstanding large metal objects it may run over in its path."
That's better. :-)
"It lands like a proper 21st Century spacecraft should. Cue the music!"
[Thunderbirds theme starts]
Also geeky kudos points for the "carbon composite over-wrapped titanium spheres" that make up the fuel system. Were I a sci-fi script writer, I'd be busily stealing that sentence now. Also perhaps a product designer for over-priced mobile phones. "We laugh at Apple's mere liquid metal"...
Lovely, shiny spaceship.
Why isn't there a Nobel Prize for Space-loveliness?
"Why isn't there a Nobel Prize for Space-loveliness?"
Yeah, seriously... and they should give one to the guys who designed the Gemini C/SM. Apollo was a real pimp-ass ride for sure, but it didn't have the special kind of "cool" that the Gemini had. Even the cockpit looked cool, a real "pilot's spacecraft", as its crews called it. It may not have been the best thing to spend two weeks in but, man, what a sweet cockpit. We have the Gemini IV CM at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum here in DC, and I always like to stop and check it out every time I'm there.
Also, needless to say, a Nobel for Space Loveliness has to go to the Space Shuttle designers -- and perhaps the X15, too, if you're one of those picky types who consider it a "spacecraft".
Only a beellion?
They need a billion dollars to get this thing going? Are they crazy? You could buy half a basketball team for that.
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[MSP] Papaya Salad - Happiness in a Dish
- AnneInMpls May 23, 2007 10:50 PM
I'm currently obsessed with papaya salad. I want to eat it every day. (Or at least every week.)
I love papaya salad. I love it plain. I love it with crispy dried beef. I love it with lettuce leaves. I love it with green beans. I love papaya salad prepared Thai style, Vietnamese style, and Lao style. I just plain love papaya salad!
I'm trying to list all the Twin Cities restaurants that serve papaya salad, so I can visit them all and pick a favorite.
Here's my list so far:
- Jasmine Deli - Uptown (2532 Nicollet Ave, Mpls)
- Jasmine Orchid - Stadium Village (304 Oak Street SE, Mpls)
- Ketsana's Thai Restaurant (7545 Lyndale Ave S, Richfield)
- Pho Ca Dao (439 University Ave, St. Paul)
- Thai Bazil (704 University Ave, St. Paul)
- True Thai (2627 East Franklin Ave, Mpls)
- Va Lor Super Excellent Papaya Salad (371 University Ave, St. Paul)
What's missng from my list? (May's Deli, for one - I almost went looking for it today, but was waylaid by Jasmine Orchid.)
What is your favorite place for papaya salad?
As for specific reviews or ratings of papaya salad, I have this to say: I've never met a papaya salad that I didn't like.
But Pho Ca Dao has my favorite version these days. If I recall correctly, it comes with crispy beef - but I could be confused, as we ordered a lot of food. And the portion is HUGE. Leftover papaya salad is lovely for breakfast.
The salads at Jasmine Orchid (the Thai version) and True Thai are tied (pun intended) for second place. These salads both include green beans, as well as tomatoes, peanuts, and - at the Jasmine - shredded carrots.
But I really like Va Lor's version, too - the papaya shreds are beautifully unregular, and they mash up big slices of lime in the salad. I like using the lettuce leaves to eat the salad (they have a slight cooling effect to balance the extremely spicy sauce). Plus, you get to watch them make it in a huge wooden bowl behind the counter.
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For those of you who (like me) have been trying to find Va Lor, it's on University Avenue in St. Paul, kitty corner from Mai Village--it's not right on the corner, but a few doors in. If you're looking for a big sign that says Va Lor (like I have been)--you might miss it. Instead, the sign has a picture of papaya salad in a mortal and pestle.
It seems to have 8 tables of four. No hours posted.
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According to the owner (when I asked a few weeks ago), Va Lor is open daily until about 8, depending on how busy they are.
I too, love green papaya salad, though, I'm afraid to say I have indeed met a few I didn't like. I don't like it when the dressing is too sweet or too tart or just too much making the whole dish soupy. Also, I really like it when the papaya is cut and pounded by hand rather than run through a food processor. Maybe it's just an aesthetic thing, but somehow, it loses some of its interesting texture when it's shredded mechanically. I'm afraid I haven't pursued much papaya salad in the Twin Cities, though maybe I'll be inspired by your terrific list.
I'm pretty sure (though I can't find it in any of my notes now), I saw papaya salad on the menus of a couple of places at the Hmong market in St. Paul. http://www.chowhound.com/topics/318303 Not really a "restaurant" but a super hectic food court, if you're feeling adventurous. I look forward to reading about your further papaya seeking adventures.
re: The Dairy Queen
Yes, I was there this weekend and papaya salad is on several menus. The one I had was excellent--crunchy, tart, included peanuts and tomatoes, sans crab. I'd tell you which booth it was from, if only I knew...my Hmong friend grabbed it from the place she said was best. I'll check with her and post her recommendation.
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Sounds fantastic! Please do come back and tell us which stand it came from. And, while you're at it, I would love to hear which other dishes your friend recommends at that Hmong food court, if she has any other thoughts she and you are willing to share.
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Here's what Mo wrote about the salad:
The papaya salad is made by Nyob Zoo Market (means Hello and literally translates to Living (nyob) Good (zoo)). The lady's name is Zoua. She's the first booth to the right (north side) when you're facing the booths. Her papaya has thai eggplant, long bean, cherry tomatoes, garlic, crab paste, fish sauce, tamarind sauce, sugar, peanuts and sliced lime all pounded together in a mortar and pestle. Sometimes green mangoes can be shredded and mixed with the papaya too.
I don't know exactly how this works, but if any of you want to visit the market as a small group some Saturday, Mo said she'd be happy to play tour guide and translator again. So, how would I organize that? Do I start another thread?
re: clepro
Hi Clepro, sounds fun. If you would like to organize a "chowdown" or outing with other 'hounds, the mods have let us post a "chowdown" announcement thread announcing the chowdown. You must specifically ask for replies via e-mail (rather than in the thread) and do the organizing and discussion of all the logistics off the board. I've organized several "chowdowns" and would be interested in attending this one. My e-mail address is in my profile (in the Best meal I ever ate section. Yeah, weird, I know.) If you wish, you may send me an e-mail and I would be delighted to impart whatever "chowdown organizing wisdom" I have, such as it is, if that would be of any help to you.
My wife and I are true believers in the power of the papaya salad.
The best in Minneapolis is undoubtedly at Chai's. It is absolutely perfect in every way every time we've had it (and we're having it again tomorrow night). Crispy, crunchy, the salt of the fish sauce, the tang of the fruit...great presentation and it's Chai's so you know whatever follows will also be spectacular.
re: Foureyes137
I agree with you I love Chai's Papaya salad, they have a papaya salad their that is serve with pickle crabs, it is to die for. (you have to ask them specificly thought.
re: tingerbell
I'm glad this thread came back up.
So I finally ordered the pickle crabs with my papaya salad at Chai's a few weeks ago. I'm not sure how these are supposed to taste or be eaten or look...but I can tell you that, sadly, I could not handle the little buggers. It looked like small stone mortar filled with crushed rock crabs in a pool of wet mud. The shells and innards had been stained black with the pickling agent. I figured you just ate the shells like rock crabs, tell me if I got that wrong please. Pulling the meat out would have been an exercise in patience.
Anyway, I did not spit them out, however it was one of the most...interesting things I've ever eaten. Sorta tasted like I'd imagine crabs covered in amonia and water would taste like. Did I get a bad batch or is this something my palate will need to adjust to?
re: Foureyes137
I must admit, I had a similar reaction to the pickled crab in the papaya salad at Chai's. The pieces were interesting but hard to eat (unless you eat the shell, which was too "shard-y" for me) and very, um, pungent. And they made the salad REALLY salty. Probably is an acquired taste, but I'm glad I tried it.
re: Foureyes137
I'd like to be sure to add that you must request the pickle crabs in order for them to come with the salad. You must "opt into" this experience if you will.
re: Foureyes137
I don't know if you got a bad batch or not. When ever i order it's always seet and extremely salty. I suppose theres is instruction on how to eat it. You just suck on it and spit it out. I guess it an acquire taste. For some reason I love that thing,( of course this coming from a girl who basically eat anchovy straight out of can.) But funny thing I cannot and refuse to eat the dark murky sauce papaya salad. Alot of time the dark murky sauce come from the pickle crab juice, or the fermented fish!
re: tingerbell
I had gotten them on the side as my wife wasn't terribly interested in trying them, so they came in the little dish with the murky pickle juice. Eating the shells (which it appears I wasn't supposed to do) wasn't very appealing either. Whoops.
I too am a huge sardine and anchovy eater, so I think it might have just been off, or to truly appreciate, it needs to be mixed into the salad.
re: Loren3
> In a pinch, you can get a papaya salad at Sawatdee Thai,
> but you'd have to be desparate.
For years, I never noticed papaya salad on Sawatdee's menu. But there it is (hiding under the name "Som Tum" :=). I had some yesterday because I was indeed desperate - all the other Thai restaurants near me are closed on Sunday. It wasn't bad - better than no papaya salad at all - but would be at the bottom of my list if other options are available.
You can find Thai style papaya salad in all Thai restaurants in town, but I have to say that Chai's has the best Thai style papaya salad in town. As tingerbell replied, Chai's papaya salad with small pickled crab is oh no so good. :)
Thanks for the info, especially the tip on the Hmong supermarket! (That's Foodsmart on University, right?)
I'm planning a trip to Chai's this week - it sounds too good to pass up. And I'm going to May's Deli as soon as I can figure out where it is. (I'm not familiar with that area of St. Paul.)
re: AnneInMpls
Anne, if you're referencing my post re: the "Hmong market, " no, I'm not referring to Foodsmart. Really, I'm referring to the foodcourt at the Hmong "International Market Place" at Como and Marion.
The link I provided in my post above is a discussion of where, exactly, this "Hmong market" is, then a couple of different posts (by TeamKitty and me) about our visits there. This link has photos of what the market looks like from the street, to make it easier to find:
re: The Dairy Queen
Aha! Thanks for the clarification. I just gotta try this place when I'm up for some culinary adventure.
re: AnneInMpls
Yes, you have to be in a particularly adventurous mood, I think--plus, not be in a hurry. The whole market is pretty fascinating--they even have (not in the same building as the food court, but outside) a kind of "farmers market" with numerous vendors selling fresh produce. Some of it looked pretty unusual, as in, something you wouldn't expect would be grown locally. Next time I need to find out if this produce is grown locally, perhaps by the vendors themselves, or if they are importing it and, if so, from where.
Along the West wall of the building with the food court in it is a small counter with just a few seats--maybe half a dozen?--where they seem to serve hot tea. I think it would be a real kick to hop up on on of the bar stools and shoot the breeze with the regulars. I think you'd learn a lot, and, maybe even have some fantastic tea. Who knows?
re: The Dairy Queen
A lot of the produce is grown locally, in season. Off-season, it's shipped in, much of it from Florida. (I know this because it's my friend, Mo's, family business that supplies most of the produce.) Mo gave me a big box of rambutan last autumn, and created an addict in the process--ever had rambutan? It looks like lychee, but tastes fresher, more citrusy. Rambutan is out of season right now, but yesterday I treated myself to a bag of crisp, delicate fragrant pears from the first table to the left as you enter the covered market from inside.
The tea counter--yep, you can just hop up on one of the stools. The proprietor's name is Lou, and according to her, the tea will literally cure whatever ails you. (For me, she focused on describing its weight reduction qualities...alas) She keeps pouring the tea--she brews and serves just the one kind, Kann-On Green -and you keep drinking and chatting and then, when you've had enough and are ready to leave, just put a tip in the jar, however much you want. Her brother grows and cures the tea in Thailand and ships it to her. She sells at the store and on her website (www.healteamn.com), along with tea pots, cups and some fabulous dark, wooden tea scoops.
If you're interested in the market, best get their soon. Mo tells me they might have to move when the lease runs out in December.
I stopped by Dragon Star Market the other day, and there's a counter in the back (near the meat department) with a big, handmade sign that says, "Fresh Made Papaya Salad." They had a giant mortar and pestle waiting, the same sort of thing I've seen at the Hmong Sports Festival. (A good, albiet repetitive chow experience - this year, it is at Como Park June 30th - July 1st)
re: The Dairy Queen
How about Na's in Chanhassen. I'm thinking of trying it tonight.
re: Danny
I went to Dragon Star and got the smaller ($3.99) size. The lady made it in a huge mortar and pestle and gave me a sample to make sure I was happy with the level of chile heat. That salad was huge and sufficed for supper two nights in a row. It's really soupy. Here's a tip: don't eat it while driving the car (not that I would know-- I'm just saying...la, lal, la)
While waiting for the salad to be made, I perused the bizzare Malaysian energy drinks in the case below the counter and picked up a can of Gold Lion and a little brown medicine bottle of Commando Bear 2000. I figure they will be handy driving the graveyard shift on my upcoming roadtrip.
re: EarlOfSandwich
Wow - thanks, Danny and Earl Of S. for the tip on Dragon Star Market! I went there tonight and got a large papaya salad, which is enough to feed a very large and very hungry family. Two of us ate our fill, and there's still enough for two more meals. What a bargain at $6!
I loved watching the salad being made. This version contains lots of veggies, in addition to papaya: fresh tomatoes, tiny Thai eggplants, and green beans. Plus hunks of lime. The salad was delicious and exciting (especially when one bites into a lime slice thinking it's going to be an eggplant).
The salad stand also does bubble tea. What a great place to know about! Thanks again.
I went to Chai's today for some papaya salad. It was great. Thanks for the tip!
It was much less sweet than versions at other Thai restaurants (like Jasmine or True Thai), and contained just papaya, tomatoes, and roasted peanuts (no green beans or carrots). The peanuts were especially good. The salad was served with cabbage wedges, which was a nice change from iceberg lettuce. And it was less "soupy" than other papaya salads (not that I mind a saucy salad, myself).
The waiter didn't ask me for a spice level, but it had a nice amount of heat. I'd call it medium - perhaps a bit on the low side of medium.
Chai's is a lovely place, too - tiny but beautifully decorated in a sophisticated, minimalist style. I'll definitely go back, especially because I forgot to ask about the "pickle crabs" this time.
414 1/2 Cedar Av. S. (next to the Cedar Theater)
re: AnneInMpls
I'm so glad you enjoy it, i went in on Tuesday for some papaya salad and they were out.
:(. Next time order fried banana ice cream for dessert.
Got a question for the experts about green papaya salad. Can folks say more about this dish at Va Lor?
I ordered one "medium spicy" and got it to go, which turned out to be a good thing. Back home, took a couple of bites and put it away for half an hour to see if I was having some kind of a temporary problem. Later, I took another bite or two and then gave the whole thing up for compost.
The salad didn't offer much of anything sweet or tart, very little to balance the senses. There were no peanuts or lime or tomatoes that I could discern, and it was impossible to pick out a flavor for the papaya. Instead, there was just an overwhelming taste of ... I don't know, sriracha and dried shrimp?
Does that sound like how papaya salad is usually prepared? Should I have expected something along the lines of what I got?
re: KTFoley
That doesn't sound like a typical papaya salad to me. Because it's green, you wouldn't expect the papaya itself to have a lot of flavor (in fact, if you are making it at home and don't have access to papaya, some suggest substituting cucumber for the papaya), but the sauce is usually a combination of sweet (classically sweetened with palm sugar, though, perhaps not here in the U.S.) and salty (usually, fish sauce and/or soy) and tart (lime.) There would typically be long beans, peanuts, tomatoes, dried shrimp thrown in there, along with some chilis and garlic. It's usually served with sticky rice.
EDIT: here's a link to a recipe for papaya salad that has photos, too, of how it typically looks. http://www.thaitable.com/Thai/recipes...
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The pictures with the recipe are VERY helpful -- that final dish looks as balanced & fresh as I was hoping to get. The one that came home with me had enough whoknowswhat to give the papaya a slightly murky coating.
No rice.
re: KTFoley
A lot of places in the U.S. skip the rice because (I think) they think most Americans are expecting more of a "salad." For instance, I recently tried the papaya salad at True Thai in Minneapolis and they didn't serve it with rice. I wouldn't say True Thai's papaya salad was the best rendition I've ever had, but it was certainly better than what you've described.
I wonder if they misunderstood you, though, I can't imagine what it is that they served you instead. It doesn't sound like it tasted very good. :(
re: KTFoley
Wow, that sounds terrible! While the component ingredients may differ from place to place, the most common are green papaya, ground chilis, lime juice, peanuts, tomatoes, and most importantly fish sauce. It should be sweet and salty and crispy as heck.
If it's soggy and tastes like dried shrimp and sriracha, you've got a crummy knock-off on your hands if you ask me. Perhaps just an off day or the slow boat from Thailand was slower than usual this week.
re: Foureyes137
I've been lurking on chow hound generally, and this thread specifically, for quite a while, but considering i'm living back in the cities for the summer, and i have a serious love for papaya salad (always once, sometimes twice daily on my trip to thailand last winter) i feel compelled to comment.
I ate at Va Lor not three days ago, and had a fair, if odd experience. I would not describe Va Lor's papaya salad as the inedible mess KTFoley got, but it certainly was neither very much like the traditional thai version, nor one of the best renditions i have encountered. The sauce/dressing was light on peanuts, lime and a sharper salt from the fish sauce. Its texture was strangely thick and the color was even more on the gravy side of the lighter reddish i've had on better thai versions. As others mentioned the papaya itself was cut irregularly, and this i found more distressing than the somewhat flat and certainly unusual dressing. As for sides, i prefer my Som Tam with sticky rice, but the Va Lor rendition came with rice noodles and romaine lettuce, an interesting take on sticky rice and cabbage. Overall, definitely not my fave and with many other places to try, I don't think i see Va Lor entering any papaya salad rotation of mine in the near future.
re: tex.s.toast
Welcome tex.s.toast! Thank you for your report. I've seen a lot of places in the US serve it over wedges of cabbage--True Thai did that, in fact, now that you've mentioned it.
I wonder what it is that's making Va Lor's dressing more opaque and gravy-like? And, does it seem they are leaving out the sugar?
re: The Dairy Queen
Chai's serves their papaya salad with cabbage.
I noticed above that clepro's friend Mo mentions tamarind paste as an ingredient. That would certainly cause some murkiness. And perhaps they use more or darker fish sauce in the "dark and murky" versions.
re: KTFoley
KTFoley, that's too bad. I wonder if they forgot the limes? That would account for the lack of tanginess. And maybe you got an extra scoop of dried shrimp in yours.
Green papaya doesn't have much flavor - it's more about the crunch. To me, it tastes like a vegetable, such as celery hearts without the celery flavor.
I've had Va Lor's papaya salad twice (once medium, the next time mild) and really liked it. Mine had large chunks of lime pounded in with the salad, and a dark, pungent dressing. And tons of hot pepper. (Their medium was the spiciest salad I've tried yet.) But it was a "minimalist" version - two or three slices of tomato, no carrots or green beans, and no rice or noodles. I don't remember if there were peanuts or not. And it wasn't sweet at all - instead, it was all tartness and spice and crunch.
You could try one of the Asian markets, where you can order custom-made papaya salad.
The salad I had at Dragon Star Market was similar, but had many more vegetables (tomatoes, green beans, carrots, and tiny Thai eggplant, plus some REALLY hot peppers that look like green beans - ouch!). And the lady asked how sweet I wanted it - she put in two huge spoons of sugar, and it wasn't all that sweet.
The Dragon Star dressing is also very dark and murky - frankly, it's scary - but I loved the end result. (Like sausages, perhaps it's better not to know what goes in the dressing for papaya salad!)
Or perhaps the Thai style would be more to your taste. It tends to be sweeter with a lighter, sometimes pinkish, dressing.
Before you give up on papaya salad, try the version at True Thai, Chai's, or Jasmine. (Note that Jasmine offers both "Thai style" and "Vietnamese style" - the latter comes with mint and the same fish-sauce dressing that you get with a cold noodle salad.)
Good luck with another try!
re: AnneInMpls
As long as I'm posting today, I think I'll add some Places links....
Jasmine Deli
2532 Nicollet Ave, Minneapolis, MN 55404
607 Washington Ave S Ste 100, Minneapolis, MN 55415
Pho Ca Dao Restaurant
439 University Ave W, St Paul, MN 55103
Jasmine Orchid
304 Oak St SE, Minneapolis, MN 55414
True Thai Restaurant
2627 E Franklin Ave, Minneapolis, MN 55406
Thai Bazil [CLOSED]
704 University Ave W, St Paul, MN 55104
Dragon Star Oriental Foods
633 Minnehaha Ave W, St Paul, MN 55104
Ketsana's Thai Restaurant [CLOSED]
7545 Lyndale Ave S, Minneapolis, MN 55423
May's Deli & BBQ
300 Larpenteur Ave E, Saint Paul, MN 55117
Chai's Thai Restaurant
414 1/2 Cedar Ave S, Minneapolis, MN 55454
re: KTFoley
personally i don't think Va Lor's papaya is all that. the murky, dark sauce is a combination of crab/shrimp paste, tamarid, and fermented fish. this is also what gives it the 'strange' smell besides that of the fish sauce. these are very typical of the hmong and lao version. i love these ingredients in my papaya salad however not all who use these ingredients produce the same results. the same goes for all vendors of papaya salad. example, if you go to the international hmong food court at marion and pennslyvania there are plenty of papaya salad vendors but they all won't have the same flavor in their salads. everyone likes their salad differently so everyone will have their own favorite vendor. once you find a vendor that makes your salad the way you like it i suggest you stick to it because if you go elsewhere, you'll definately be dissapointed. i personally prefer the hmong and lao version with the 'murky' sauce because it's more flavorful than the thai and vietnamese version. i find those to be too light and a little bland. the crab/shrimp paste and fermented fish taste is definately an acquired taste though but you can always ask these ingredients to be withheld. one of my favorite vendor is the one at dragon star. double dragon on rice st & maryland is their sister store and has an excellant stand as well. both papaya salad makers at these store are hmong. when you order your salad, do tell the papaya salad maker ahead of time of any ingredients that you don't want added - like sugar or peanuts or fermented fish!
I went to May's Deli today, and must sadly report that they don't currently have papaya salad on the menu. The nice lady said they might have it in the future, but she was really busy, so I didn't grill her on any details.
The good news is that my bbq beef sandwich (banh mi) was great! So was the coconut smoothie that I ordered to ease my sorrow over no p. salad.
re: AnneInMpls
Another place worth mentioning for its papaya salad is a hmong grocery store called Capital City Grocery located behind Taco Bell on Rice Street and Larpenteur. they have a little deli that you can order other food too. one to try is the sausage! this is a great item and goes perfectly well with some sticky rice.
re: lalalynnt
Thanks for this recommendation, lalalynnt! I've driven past Capital City Grocery many times, but have never stopped. And thanks also for your other recommendations above. As I love the "murky" Hmong-style papaya salad, I'm definitely going to try these places soon.
I was reading this and thinking, "How could I have missed this my entire life?" and then I got to the salted/pickled crab description...
Anyway, I might try it someday, but if all versions have crab or shrimp I won't be able to split it with my 'hound-mate. And there are so many items on the menu that I know I'll like plus get to share.
BTW, is Chai a pretty good Thai restaurant for other dishes? I used to like True Thai a lot but lately their dishes seem to have an increasing 'gloppiness' characteristic.
How much of the addictive factor of the papaya salad comes from the dressing, do you think? I have a southwestern asian dressing that I frequently use on just about any kind of salad/vegetable combination and for me it is 'to die for'. I swear I could drink it straight out of the cup I mix it up in!
re: Enso
Point of clarification: You have to request the pickle crabs to get them in the salad at Chai's. Their salad without the crabs is my favorite preparation in MPLS. And I think fish sauce and lime juice are Vietnamese crack. Too little and it's not right, too much and it's all you taste. Wait...that came out wrong.
I know that Cheng Heng in St. Paul had a papaya salad when I was there (though it has been a while..) It is a Cambodian restaurant and I don't remember what the salad was like but I do remember that I enjoyed my meal.
Cheng Heng Restaurant
448 University Ave W, Saint Paul, MN 55103
I too love papaya salad. I try to stay away from the really strong smelling ones though. You should try 5 Star Deli at the Hmong International Marketplace. Their papaya doesn't have that strong fishy smell and is just the perfect sweet and tartness that papaya should be. The best time to go is during the weekdays b/c weekends are super hectic. You might not find a parking space.
Best Papaya Salad. My friend's house.
2nd best: Thai Bazil. (and cheaper than most groceries at a whopping $4!) -- You can get Lao or Thai Style. I was able to eat both.. usually can't do the Lao style.
Tried Cambodian at the Cambodian festival back in July.. that was wayy too fishy for me:)
re: AnneInMpls
Can someone confirm that Ketsanas in richfield is closed? Also anyone know where one can pick up a papaya salad in the western suburbs?
On that note, I had the papaya salad at Na's in chanhassen. I haven't had too many PS but I liked theres. It was crisp and was both sweet and sour...a good mix. I ordered it medium and it was very hot. Next time i would probably order mild. It came with sticky rice, an iceberg lettuce wedge and beef jerky with a sweet sauce on it. My only complaint is that it seemed a little expensive-$10. It seems others are getting PS for alot less. I would be interested in any West side Chowhounds thoughts on there PS.
re: dave43
Ketsanas is definitely closed. It is going to reopen as this Nativa's Thai or something per a sign, but no date yet.
Hope it is better than Ketsana's.. or at least more reasonable.
re: dave43
Oh, Dave, this is great info! Now I have a place to go if I ever find myself in Chanhassen. I may even have to schedule a trip to Na's on purpose.
By the by, the cheaper papaya salad usually doesn't come with beef jerky. And sometimes not even with sticky rice. So think of it as 2 (or 2-1/2) dishes for that $10.
re: AnneInMpls
Went to Taste of Thailand in Downtown (7th & Hennepin) Got the Papaya Salad. It came with beef Jerky and sticky Rice. They put the papaya on top of the iceberg lettuce which was dissapointing because the lettuce was soggy from the sauce. The sauce was good, a good balance of sweet and tangy. I ordered medium and it wasn't even close to Na's mild. They had peanuts and a little green bean in it which wasn't in Na's version. I'm not sure if the peanuts was a good or bad thing. If I go back I would ask to keep the lettuce seperate and requst extra Hot.
re: dave43
Had to ressurect my favorite thread. Have been really dissapointed with na's lately. My new favorite is Lemon Grass Thai in Brooklyn Park. Anyone have any new discoveries?
re: dave43
Has anyone had a good version in the eat street area...the only mention I saw was Jasmine Deli.
Jasmine Deli
2532 Nicollet Ave, Minneapolis, MN 55404


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