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- Captainspirou Jul 29, 2009 11:29 AM
The article talks about a study where they say there is no nutritional difference between organic produce and standard produce.
While I can see an argument for that the article goes on to state that meat, dairy and eggs had the same results as well. I don't buy that at all. I think what is misleading is the 'organic' label. I mean if you feed a cow organically grown corn you're going to get the same result as if you fed it the garbage they usually get.
This article just talks about nutrition as well. I'm sure many of you can attest to the difference between a farmer's market tomato and a supermarket tomato. Now whether taste affects nutrition is something different. I'm of the opinion that evolution has geared our taste buds to make nutritious foods the best tasting ones. But that's a tangent.
So does anyone have any thoughts on this?
I'm not surprised by that, especially the (junk science) health claims made by some organic food advocates.
However, the studies only looked at nutrition and did not look at "contamination" or unwanted chemicals that tag-along for the ride.
I'm not a buyer of organic foods, but I do believe in the ideal of sustainable farming and the avoidance of unneeded drugs and pesticides... especially in animals used for meat.
Here's the response to the study results from the Soil Association.
re: Melanie Wong
Interesting response. I would also like to point out that the article in question is a *review* article, not original research. It would be really interesting to look at the methodology employed by the various studies, as well as the funding sources. Methodology is as important as results, since the methods can sway the results. My guess is that the methods are rather varied.
Also, as dave_c pointed out, this work focuses solely on nutrition, not on sustainability or environmental concerns. Given that many people purchase organics with environmental concerns as the impetus, it is somewhat disingenious of the mainstream media reporting these conclusions to neglect to mention this. FWIW, I buy some organics and some conventional produce, so I am hardly in either camp.
re: nofunlatte
Here's another rebuttal, by Paula Crossfield in the Huffington Post,
re: nofunlatte
Here's Marion Nestle's commentary,
re: Melanie Wong
She writes "I'm surprised that investigators of this caliber would focus so narrowly on nutrient content."
I'm not surprised. That is the hallmark of good science. Well defined questions about things you can measure. In this case: is there a nutritional difference between conventional and organic foods?
re: Melanie Wong
The Soil Association's response is a bit disingenuous because the EU study that they cited was published after the cutoff date for the selected papers. The parameters for any study has to be set in the grant application.
This article from the Independent has a more substantial interview with Dangour than the BBC blurb:
In Omnivore's Dilemma, Michael Pollan cited some research that showed carrots grown in California were nutritionally inferior to those grown in Michigan. The govt chose to ignore that because it conflicted with the idea that food is a standardizable commodity--carrots is carrots.
And what does "nutritious" actually mean? That the known, measurable nutrients are roughly equivalent? How many new "nutrients" have been discovered since vitamins were defined--omega 3s, phytochemicals, flavenoids...? Are we confident we have them all mapped out?
These metastudies, as nofunlatte points out, are based on other studies which may or may not be reliable. Some may have been paid for by ADM or Monsanto--"gee, chemically grown food IS better. Thanks for the paycheck!"
And the organic cow fed with organic corn will still be providing corn-based nutrients, as captainspirou points out.
I think the "food as commodity" philosophy, and being so reductive about nutrition, is what locavores and the original organic food movement object to. Carrots is NOT carrots.
It's not like I eat all organic or local. But I'm cynical about this type of study.
re: coney with everything
Did Pollan say exactly what differences there were between the California and the Michigan carrots?
'Nutritionally inferior' could mean many things. There could be a difference in sugar levels. It is well known that the sugar content of wine grapes varies with location and growing conditions. How about mineral content? Wasn't Michigan part of the goiter belt, an area where iodine deficiency was prevalent. If Michigan carrots were identical to California ones, but with lower iodine level, they could be described as nutritionally inferior.
In layman's usage, 'nutritional' is a very fuzzy idea. A careful scientific study would have to identify a whole suit of measurable quantities - calories from sugars, a whole raft of vitamins, a dozen minerals, plus the latest darlings, flavinoids and antioxidants. With multidimensional criteria like this it is hard to identify clear 'winners'. You can, of course, assign weights to each and consolidate them onto one scale, but who's to say Pollan's choice of weights is better than the government's or ADM's?
re: coney with everything
That was a bit of sloppiness by Pollan. While he did cite source material for some of his claims, that one stood bare and had no attribution. I would reserve any judgment on that "conclusion".
re: coney with everything
At some point, that "nutritionally inferior" becomes so many angels dancing on the heads of pins. We're discovering new compounds because we have new scientific means to measure increasingly smaller and possibly insignificant stuff, but humans have lived healthy lives for millennia by eating well-balanced diets without worrying themselves sick about things they couldn't measure before.
And then all of whatever is intrinsically in a certain food product can be destroyed by poor handling, storage, or preparation.
All studies have the potential of bias. Why should you assume that one by industry sources is, while cutting the organics lobby and their supporters a pass? They have some of the most potent advocates in Washington and the media of any groups, and huge bucks behind them. They're the ones trying to damage the reputations of corporations and industry, and claiming that their food is superior contrary to this study and many others.
"I think what is misleading is the 'organic' label."
Why "misleading", please?
In the UK, "organic" is a specific definition with legal status. We know what we mean when we read organic. If the Food Standards Agency has examined research into, say, a nutritional comparison between a carrot grown organically and one grown non-organically and found no significant difference, that is an answer that will surprise few people. I'd have thought it odd if the use or non-use of pesticides in itself provided increased/decreased nutritional benefit. By the way, I buy organic carrots when available (as I buy any organic fruit and veg in preferance to non-organic - except when there are veyr high food miles).
And, just to take up your point about cattle feed.....in the UK, beef cattle are routinely grass-fed if they are to achieve organic status (although they can be given organic feed in winter). This link, to my usual supplier, will probably clarify it more for you: http://www.manserghhall.co.uk/html/be...
re: Harters
If that's the case then the study is fundamentally flawed. I have read numerous articles that say that grassfed cattle have much higher level of omega3 fatty acids then ones fed on grain. If they weren't able to identify that then their standards of what is nutritious needs to be evaluated.
re: Captainspirou
Not really - as I mention, our beef cattle (whether organic or non-organic) are usually mainly pasture-fed.
As such, there wouldnt be anything to compare in a study - only whether the pasture was or was not organically grown.
re: Harters
Well I guess I'm ignorant. I've never imagined non-organic treatment of grass. Do people actually use fertilizers to raise grass?
re: Captainspirou
I've absolutely no idea.
But if there's no difference in how the pasture is grown, then there's obviously absolutely nothing that the research could compare between nutrional benefits of UK bred organic or non-organic beef cattle.
re: Captainspirou
Pastures often include legumes such as clover or alfalfa instead of or in addition to grasses. These will help supply nitrogen to the grass as well as often have higher protein than straight grass. Calling animals grass fed when they are really pasture fed reflects sloppy thinking or ignorance of what pastures are. Dairy farmers in particular want high quality pasture and hay that may be all alfalfa or clover or have a good deal of clover in with the grass. Alfalfa rates high in the parts of the United States where it can be grown successfully.
Nitrogen fertilization is sometimes used on grass to boost quantity produced as well as protein content. Since all proteins use amino acids, which contain nitrogen, as building blocks, adequate nitrogen in the soil is essential to produce high protein levels in the forage. There are wide regional variations in pastures as well the sorts of management practices needed. Potassium fertilization is sometimes used for alfalfa when soils are not naturally high in potassium.
re: Captainspirou
It doesn't have to be fertilizer. Any compound that isn't considered acceptable to the organic process needs to be absent from the land for 7 years in order for the real estate to meet organic standars.
re: Brandon Nelson
Don't different countries have differing standards set by whatever groups decides those standards?
There are many farms that lack official "certification" that grow according to standards or even higher strictures but can't get it through no fault of their own. They may abut roads or other farms that could be treated with chemicals for instance.
Some farmers simply don't want to bother or hate dealing with paperwork.
re: MakingSense
Paper work isn't the only issue, cost is too.
And you are correct, no 2 entities define "organic" the same.
re: Brandon Nelson
Sometimes it's the same damned produce. Some is just deemed "worthy" to be called "organic" because somebody does the paperwork, while the other guy doesn't.
Guy #2 would more than make up for the time and aggravation of the red tape by the inflated prices he can charge for "organic" stuff, but he doesn't want the intrusion of some outside "authority." They don't like to be told what to do, even if they're doing it on their own.
re: mrfood16
You're right. Which is why I put a much bigger emphasis on something being local rather then organic.
I live in Southern California in a fairly affluent neighborhood so 'organic' is one of those buzz words that gets people to shell out a few more dollars on food. So my local farmer's market actually is mainly organic and they let you know at every opportunity. So that is why I would think that most farmer's markets are the same.
I'm sure there is a connection between taste and nutrition, though it may not be sophisticated. We detect sweet, sour, salt, bitter, and savory (though with smell we detect more things). Sweet things are generally calorie richer, a big plus for a hunter-gatherer, but not so much for a modern donut eater. We need salt to replenish that lost via sweat. Bitter helps us detect, and avoid, some poisonous foods (like broccoli?). Our taste for savory (umami) may tie in with our carnivorous past.
Those farmers market fruits and vegetables may be tastier than the supermarket ones. But the supermarket convenience foods are also tastier - taking advantage of our evolved taste for sweet, salt and fat.
re: paulj
True. But one was evolved over thousands of years so that the ones that survived ate food that was good for you. Processed foods takes advantage of the taste without giving you the benefit of what is in the plants. If this went on for another few thousand years I'm sure our taste buds would develop to find convenience foods repulsive.
So I guess the good rule is that it's ok to rely on taste when it comes to plants and wild animals. However with processed foods your taste may fool you into thinking it's good for you.
re: Captainspirou
"But one was evolved over thousands of years so that the ones that survived ate food that was good for you."
Not really. Throughout evolution humans and our ancestors ate what was available. Until very recently we were hunter gatherers and there really much choice in what we ate.
re: Captainspirou
A few thousand years is, I think, too short of a time to make much difference in human evolution. Just not enough generations. Also such a change would depend on humans who have the 'repulsion' living to child bearing age at a greater rate. Or to put it another way, people who don't like the taste of processed food have to have more kids, and have to pass that preference on genetically. Living longer after childbearing age doesn't make much difference.
Social preferences and values do evolve more rapidly, as does technology. Those will have a lot more to do with human eating practices in the near future, than any physiological change in taste buds.
re: paulj
I wouldn't say it's too short. Think about the plague or black death in Europe and Asia. Half the human population at the time died. Those that survived were those that had resistance to the disease and it's still present in our DNA today. That was only a few hundred years ago. Now I'm not assuming the development of new taste but that those taste already exist and that those who are more inclined towards healthy foods will survive and pass on their genes. Now I admit it is a stretch to assume that our taste buds will evolve to that. But it is not invalid to think that our current sense of taste are absolutely important towards survival before processed foods and that it is a good indicator of nutrition.
re: Captainspirou
Hey, if we lost half one more time, the lucky survivors would all have second homes for free, and no weekend traffic jams...no overfishing...
re: Captainspirou
But do people who like to eat healthy food have more offspring than those that prefer processed foods? The 'healthy eaters' may live longer, but much of that time is in their non-reproductive years.
Also, we haven't established that people who are 'more inclined towards healthy foods', are that way because of a genetic difference in their taste buds. I suspect it is more a matter of cultural conditioning. So far I've only hear about genetic differences that cause some people to avoid foods like broccoli and cilantro. Some people taste compounds in those foods that most of us don't.
No difference? Sure there is. It costs twice as much. It's the Botox of the eat heathy cultists who used to drive Volvos but can't afford them now.
re: MakingSense
The very downscale and mostly organic (70%+) farmers market on Thursday from 9am to 4pm in the WIC offices (Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children) parking lot in Salinas, CA derives about 90% of its revenue from senior assistance and WIC farmers market vouchers. The market manager is trying to get a card reader to accept SNAP EBT (food stamps) to be of even more service to the immediate neighborhood. The prices for organic produce at this farmers market are equal to or as much as 20% higher than the non-organic produce at the neighboring markets from my rough eyeballing and much fresher.
re: Melanie Wong
MW: IF organic and non-organic produce are nutritionally equvalent, is it correct for the financially challenged to be lured to organic at the premium price? I'm not trying to be stubborn or argumentative, I think it is a fair question for debate. And I don't think freshness is correlated; any type of produce can be fresh or wilted.
MS: THOSE people get a hall pass to skip church because they allready have backstage passes when they join the Big Man.
re: MakingSense
I'm all for giving people a little wriggle room, but let's not get too moribund on a fun site!
re: Veggo
I mentioned "fresher" not to say that there's a correlation but to show that there are other reasons why people will pay a premium for produce, organic or not. In fact, other than displaying CCOF certification on their ag ID's, I don't think the farmers at this market promote that their goods are organic on other signage. OTOH, free from pesticides could motivate participants at this market, many of whom have connections to farmworkers in Salinas, the Salad Bowl of the World, and have seen the skull and crossbones in the field.
"organic ghetto"
re: Melanie Wong
There's a "skull and crossbones" on organic pesticides which are also poisonous, but are allowed to be used. All chemicals have to be applied with care and warnings are posted.
re: Veggo
Ah yes. The myth of organic produce costing "twice as much." Sure, some chi-chi organic produce from fancy name-brand farms costs twice as much (or maybe even more) than conventional produce -- some farmers charge what they think the market will bear. But not all organic produce -- maybe not even most organic produce -- is that much more expensive, and sometimes it's not any more expensive at all.
re: Ruth Lafler
You're absolutely right. Upthread I mention my regular meat supplier who is now wholely organic (certified by the Soil Association - the major UK body). I first started buying from them when they were in partial transition. I checked prices then and still do periodically, against supermarket pricing. I found their lamb was cheaper than supermarket non-organic. Their organic pork was about similar to non-organic, but free-range, supermarket products. Organic beef, however, tended to be dearer than supermarket - but it was not easy to find a great range of organic meat at the supermarket. I reckon that, across the whole, my purchases costs about the same.
When it comes to fruit and veg, though, organic is almost invariably more expensive. I suspect that this is because we are a small country and we havnt got too much land farmed organically, so foodstuffs are imported (although we also import a lot of non-organic fruit and veg.
re: Harters
Some friends and I buy and share a couple of whole lambs from an organic farm (although I'm not sure the lamb is actually certified organic). It's definitely cheaper than regular supermarket lamb, and it's the best lamb I've ever eaten.
I was in the supermarket last night, and the Fuji apples in both the conventional and organic sections caught my eye, so I did a quick comparison: conventional Fuji apples: $1.59/lb; organic Fuji apples, $1.79/lb. So the organic was 12.5 percent more expensive.
Further comments on the article by The Atlantic
re: billieboy
This is the same Marion Nestle that was cited earlier.
Personally, I don't buy organic food for the nutritional difference, although if they are better that's great. I buy mostly organic food for 2 reasons:
1) Pesticides, herbicides and fungicides and especially chemical fertilizers don't just affect the foods they are used on, they impact the environment as well. For example, Oceanic "Dead Zones" are largely caused by the runoff of chemical fertilizers leading to eutrophication>algal blooms.
2)The health impacts of foods containing pesticides might be debatable, but I'd rather lower my risk if I can.
re: pickledtink
Don't forget the fact fact that organic farmers have kept the genome diverse by raising species that bi farms can't, or won't.
Heirloom varietals still exist because of small scale niche producers.
re: Brandon Nelson
Absolutely. Monocropping a.k.a "big agriculture" threatens biodiversity, which threatens the long-term survival of a given type of plant. I could get more scientific than that, but I don't want to get myself going :)
re: pickledtink
How else do you grow wheat, soybeans, corn, rice, sugar cane, etc. for a population of 300 million plus enough for export? That's not possible on small organic farms.
USAID, CARE, and the UN aren't sending organic lettuce to Congo and Darfur.
re: MakingSense
That's the fundamental problem isn't it? We sell them our food but at the same time destroy their farming. The predominate occupation for people in poverty is in fact farming. Organic farming was never meant for export and the attraction to it is that it must be local for it to make sense.
Think of it like Walmart. The argument is that the lower prices is a good thing but they push out a lot of smaller stores in the community. In the end they must close shop and a lot of them wind up working for Walmart. They get paid much less at Walmart so even though the items they buy cost less in the end there is a net loss in the community.
If you truly believe our place is to make the world's food then the countries we are selling to should have a product for us in return. So there is no moral argument against selling food to most of industrialized Europe and Asia. But Congo or Darfur isn't going to be making cars anytime soon so taking away one of the few occupations that truly anyone can do is really not a benefit to the country.
re: Captainspirou
Congo and Darfur are refugee situations. They're not farming, nor are they able to, nor will they be able to any time in the foreseeable future.
India was an importer of food and they are now a net exporter. Our sales to them did not destroy their farming. It helped them while they developed.
There is a role for large scale agriculture. We will always need food for export for various reasons. Countries that have to have food given to them or are unable to produce enough to feed their own people are not usually in a position developmentally to produce much in the way of exportable products that return enough foreign exchange to survive economically, nor to progress. These are the world's basket cases.
Marginal businesses often fail in areas where a Walmart stores locates if they are unable to adapt to the changing business climate. Some change and proper, while others close. New businesses open as a result of the development around the new Walmart store, usually resulting in a net gain of jobs for an area and an increase in the tax base. The new jobs may be several miles down the road, but they are new jobs and are an economic asset to the area served by the Walmart.
Many more people are able to buy many more items at lower prices much closer to their homes, resulting in fewer miles driven and money saved both in gas and purchases, than when they were forced to pay high prices at small stores or drive long distances to discount stores for affordable goods.
re: MakingSense
I'm not saying that all big agribussiness is bad, only that some organic faming s providing an essential service by keeping genetic diversity alive.
re: pickledtink
I agree, but it's not just "organic" farmers who do this. There are lots of small farmers who don't bother with organic certification, or who may use Integrated Pest Management methods, who are doing just as much to keep that diversity going. They deserve a lot of credit too.
I think it's foolish to bash so-called "agribusiness" in general when they have done a great deal of good. It would be nice if everyone in the world could eat from a nice garden that had adequate rainfall and few pests or diseases, but that's not reality. If my garden fails, I can go to the store. If a subsistence farmer's crop fails, his family starves. Science and technology have developed crops that are drought and pest/disease-resistant, and these have meant the difference in life and death in some areas of the world. No-till farming has meant less erosion in areas where there is drought, saving the land for future generations, and building up its fertility. That wouldn't happen without some of the scientific advances from "agribusiness." Maybe we're not happy with all they do, but they also have made miracles possible.
re: pickledtink
this is a red herring. there are huge organic growers and small conventional growers, too. varietal mixes, ownership structures, etc., are almost exactly the same. Earthbound Farms farms more than 40,000 acres now. i think what's happening is the common confusion of "organic farming" with "creative farming." the latter is what's important and it can be done by organic farmers, non-certified organic farmers and farmers that use chemicals responsibly.
re: pickledtink
Ummm don't those pesticides, herbicides and fungicides impact the people in the fields who are growing the food as well as the general environment? There may be a question as to the impact of trace elements of those chemicals on me but there is way too much evidence about long term intense exposure to laborers who are breathing the stuff all the time.
Same with the chickens/cows/pigs. Maybe the organic free range chicken from my local farmer has no more nutrition than the Safeway chicken but I assure you, it tastes a damned sight better AND I don't have to deal with the guilt of knowing that an animal lived a life in torture and misery so that I could pay $.89 a pound for my chicken dinner. And while it does cost more, well, that just means I eat less meat and that isn't so bad either.
For me it would be unethical to say that I think all people have equal rights except farm workers who should have to breathe toxic chemicals I wouldn't spray on my lawn. And if its wrong to keep 40 cats in a single house, why is it okay to keep chickens similarly confined? I guess I am just striving for consistency in my life.
re: jenn
of course, if misused, any of those things can be dangerous. But farms are full of dangerous things that are absolutely necessary and harmless if used correctly. and there are very strict regulations about how those things can be used (which is not to say that regulations are always followed).
As for the flavor of organic chicken ... compared to what? compared to an arkansas battery hen? probably. compared to foster farms? possibly. compared to a free-range non-organic hen? questionable. taste rocky and rosie side by side and see. remember, it's all a matter of gradations.
40 cats? i'd say that was a matter more for your neighbors. it's like that argument against foie gras: "would you like to have a pipe shoved down your throat?" Well, no, but I don't swallow fish whole either, so maybe these analogies are sometimes flawed.
re: jenn
It's perfectly possible to keep 40 - or 400 - cats in a single facility at a well-maintained animal shelter. It's not allowed in a residential setting for sanitation reasons.
A chicken house can be maintained in a clean and safe manner. They must comply with regulations and are inspected by authorities. "Cat houses" aren't.


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I hate nighttime, my 11 month old doesnt want to sleep, no matter how tired he is. I Have to sit with him in the room for long periods of time before my 11 month old will fall asleep.(Morning/ afternoon naps & nightime sleeping) Last night is the first time I let him cry it out and he went to sleep after about 30 minutes of moaning and crying. I left him. It was hard and I never thought I would ever try the CIO method. I have tried other methods, eat, bath, bottle, bed, (I have tried nightime DVD's that are supposed to calm baby down) he is in a very normal routine, but refuses to sleep, or go to sleep easily. I sometimes feel like I am going to lose my temper, I just dont know what to do anymore. Please help me. Does the CIO method work? I am scared to do it again, as research say it can cause problems. Should I be patient for longer? Is this just a phase babies go through? Will he eventually start sleeping the night through & on his own with no hassles?
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I let my son CIO for the first time at 6 months and it was the best thing I've ever done. I used rock or nurse him to sleep for naps and once or twice through the night in order to get him back to sleep. After one night of letting him cry for 30 minutes, he has been able to put himself to sleep with maybe 3 minutes of crying or fussing. He's now almost 8 months old and is an expert at putting himself to sleep. He knows exactly what to do as soon as I lay him in his crib. it's hard the first couple times, but it gets better.posted 07/23/2012 by neneface
Maybe, you can try reading bedtime stories. And then, you may do it on routine. So, your baby will know that after bedtime stories, it will be his time to sleep.posted 07/20/2013 by MariaAlony
If you are wanting to know if cio is good or bad, or if you should or should not practice it with your baby, be prepared to never find out. Studies and articles have started popping up warning moms of pausible dangers of cio as well as the benefits from always responding to your babies cries and co-sleeping. However, you will find the same things promoting cio too. After thoroughly researching both sides, taking my son's attitude, behavior and quircks- all the things no one else knows like mommy does- into consideration, and listening to my own maternal instincts, I now co-sleep and practice attachment parenting. We are animals. Our bodies are wired to survive and to ensure the survival and prospering of our offspring. We already know what to do, but are affected by the many influences we encounter, like: our past, society, social standards, and many others. Yes, information is one of the best tools to have; however, your mommy instincts shouldn't play second fiddle to it. Good luck!posted 07/27/2012 by skhylar
You can find research for positives and negatives on both approaches. My mom let all 5 of us cry it out and we all turned out perfectly normal. If you feel you are going to lose your temper with the baby, you should most certainly put the baby in a safe place like his crib, and take the time you need to calm yourself back down. Better to let him cry for a few minutes than for you to do something out of frustration (we've all gotten to that point where we had to walk away). It sounds like you've met all of his needs and he does just need to cry a little bit. If it doesn't get better after letting him do it a few times, then talk to your pediatrician, but you might be surprised and he might learn to self soothe. I wouldn't let him go 30 mins without going in though, maybe 10 mins, go in and rock him, or even just rub his back or tummy a bit to reassure him you're there, but to break the cycle you're in now. There's no right answer, you can take advice, but listen to your intuitionposted 08/06/2012 by kellyh27
I have 4 children and did CIO with my oldest. It's one of my biggest regrets. After the age of 1, he developed a habit of projectile vomiting every time he cried, stopped taking naps at 1, and now almost 11 years later, he is still the last to go to sleep and the first to wake up. I guess I'm not sure why you are getting mad that he wants you when it's time to sleep. Like I said, I have 4 children, plus a husband, plus I am caregiver for my mom and challenged aunt. I totally get the need for our LOs to just go down when it's time, but they are only little once and it won't be like this forever. None of my children slept through the night until they were about 2. My almost 2 year old still gets up once in the night and still nurses to sleep at bedtime. Usually if he naps it's because he just crashed. Personally, I'd do all you can to make your evenings calm so that if he wants to be held, you can do it without your mind racing or panicing. You spending cuddle time is important and good.posted 07/23/2012 by Lisa_IndArbonneRep
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Has the art of romance changed from the days when face-to-face meetings were the way to woo, to these days when social media and cell phones are the harbingers of love.
Playwright Barry Harman explores the question in "Romance, Romance," nominated for six Tony Awards in 1988 and opening July 9 at North Coast Repertory Theatre in Solana Beach.
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Reader Jean has a problem: she installed Office 2003 on her brand new Windows 7 system, and every single time she runs it, a pop-up forces her to accept Microsoft's End User License Agreement (EULA).
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1) The reason for this behaviour is that the user doesnt have permission to modify registry setting. In case this method doesnt resolve the problem, there is a workaround available. Navigate to the following registry key:
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Good post and good information, Bill.
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"April 17, 1964 they introduced the Mustang at the New York World's Fair and it was a big hit the first week car was out for production they sold 22,000 vehicles," said Vanryn.
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For rating purposes there are three types of Car Parks that can be rateable;
- car parks open for use by the general public and forming a separate hereditament for rating purposes;
These will include both open sites and covered areas (ie surface, underground and multi-storey). These may be subject to any of the following forms of occupation:-
- Privately run, fee charging car park - eg National Car Parks;
- Privately run, but Local Authority control charges levied;
- Fee charging Local Authority car parks;
- Free Local Authority car park with barriers, attendants, etc;
- Free Local Authority car park without barriers, attendants, etc;
- Privately run free car park built with adjoining shopping centre.
- car parks, not open to the general public and forming a separate hereditament for rating purposes;
- car parks occupied and forming part of another hereditament for rating purposes. (These are dealt with in the Rating Manual under the individual class of the principal use.)
3. Rateability
In order to establish the rateability of a car park it is necessary to consider who, if anyone, satisfies the four tenets of rateability. For car parks open for use by the general public, the most contentious of these has in the past been that of determining 'beneficial occupation'. More recently questions have arisen concerning 'exclusive occupation'. Whilst legal title may be used to identify legal rights that exist, it will be the actual occupation found on the ground, which will take priority.
Occupation is a matter of fact, requiring some positive act of user performed by the potential rateable occupier. An adequate measure of control must be demonstrated of a kind which prevents strangers from interfering with the enjoyment of premises for the purposes for which they are occupied (see Newcastle City Council v Royal Newcastle Hospital 1959 PC 52 RIT 293).
An area of land abandoned to unregulated public car parking will not generally constitute a unit of occupation unless, in addition, there is some act of occupation. Charging and/or some system of management or control of the land as a car park will make it easier to identify the rateable occupier.
Maintenance of a car park is not itself sufficient to establish rateable occupation, other measures of occupation or control are necessary. When acts of occupation or control exist, the totality of those acts and the maintenance can be used to substantiate rateability. Therefore a distinction needs to be drawn between "acts of maintenance" and "control":
- Maintenance deals with the property, as opposed to its use, and is often capable of performance by either a landlord or tenant - eg repairing parts, renewing, decorating and, possibly, gardening;
- Control deals specifically with the way a hereditament is occupied or used. Examples of control usually relate to the regulation and enforcement of the manner of parking and may include:
(i) display signs (regulating use and/or showing names of occupier);
(ii) control of where parking takes place, eg white lines;
(iii) some form of time period enforcement;
(iv) a physical presence;
(v) deterrence of vandalism;
(vi) removal of abandoned vehicles;
(vii) clearance of rubbish;
(viii) permission/refusal for an otherwise unauthorised use (eg preventing HGVs overnight, parking of ice cream/fish and chip vans etc);
(ix) safety measures (eg controlling the playing of ball games);
(x) clearing snow;
(xi) paying/controlling timers for electric lighting;
(xii) supervision of trolley parks;
(xiii) periodic closure.
Although the above is not exhaustive, it does provide a useful check list of the indicators of control which should be noted when referencing car parks. The onus of proof will fall on the VO to show that control is exercised on the ground. It is not enough to assert that the owner has the power to exercise control over the car park unless that power is exercised in practice.
In a limited number of cases a rateable occupier may not be readily identifiable (eg where a number of shop tenants and their customers have similar rights to use the car park and the person to whom the service charge is paid does not exercise sufficient control). Where these circumstances arise the case should be referred to CEO (Rating) via the GVO.
4. Unit of assessment
4.1 Extent of Hereditament
The geographical extent of a hereditament will be determined by the extent of the rateable occupation(s).
Car parks used and occupied with adjoining premises will generally together form the hereditament. However, where separated from these other premises by a public highway, or other property, they will in most cases form separated hereditaments.
Internal roadways under the control of the same car park occupier will seldom justify more than one assessment being placed on a retail centre's car parks.
Car parks not within the same rateable occupation as adjoining premises should be separately assessed.
It is important to define the geographical extent of the hereditament especially in cases where use is made from time to time of land adjoining a car park for parking purposes (eg overspill parking facilities at peak times of the year).
4.2 Spaces in separate occupation
Single spaces, or groups of spaces, are sometimes let separately on terms which show that the owner no longer exercises control and that the actual user can be considered to be in exclusive occupation. Provided that they can be identified, such spaces may be treated as separate hereditaments. (see Renore Ltd v Hounslow London Borough Council [1970] RA 567).
In the case of licences, or other similar arrangements, it is important to investigate the facts to discover who is in rateable occupation. It was held in Port (VO) v Gray, Son & Cook and Cambridge Corporate (1952) 42 R&IT 28 that on the facts of the case, the licensor had not relinquished control, despite the licensees having a key to the enclosure.
4.3 Residual hereditaments at retail centres
The choice will be between the car parks being separately assessed, or their being included with other public, non let out property serving the centre, as the residual hereditament. Please see RM 5:200 Appendix 1 for more details.
5. Basis of valuation
5.1 Rentals method
Usually there will be sufficient rental evidence available to provide a basis for the valuation of car parks.
Rental evidence should be analysed on a price per standard space basis. The density of spaces within car parks can vary, sometimes significantly, depending on the physical characteristics of a particular site. Adopting a price per space basis, rather than a price per m2, enables direct comparison of uniform sites with those bound by the limitations of an irregular shape.
When analysing a rent on a per space basis a standard sized space should be taken as the norm and non-standard sized spaces should be treated as relative to this. Non-standard sized spaces will be designed and marked out for specific users such as lorry/trucks, coaches, motorbikes, bicycles and wider-access spaces for disabled or parent and baby users.
Although a car park operator will, no doubt, generally seek to make the best use of the space available to him given the shape of the site, the policy of individual operators may lead to potentially different mixes of types of spaces. By considering rental levels in relation to the number of standard spaces allowance is made for operator policy and again enables direct comparison of different sites. If rental evidence has been analysed and applied on the basis of a price per standard space, the resulting valuation should be little changed by the operator's policy.
5.2 Contractors basis
In exceptional cases (eg isolated multi-storey car parks not let at a rack rent) consideration may have to be given to a contractor's basis approach but an assessment should not be determined on this basis alone. Reference should also be made to the background of rental evidence for comparable hereditaments elsewhere. Where consideration of the contractor's basis is essential, the appropriate statutory decapitalisation rate should be adopted to arrive at the rateable value and the site should be included at a value which assumes that it is available for development only as a car park.
5.3 Receipts and Expenditure basis
This (R&E) basis is not normally a suitable method of assessing car parks, particularly those occupied by local authorities because financial gain is rarely the primary motive in providing the facility. However, in a commercially run car park VOs may have to consider an approach on this basis in those exceptional cases where there is superfluous accommodation (eg one provided for a substantial development but in advance of its completion).
5.4 Rents related to Turnover
For car parks operated purely for profit, a direct relationship between rents and receipts is a common basis of letting, and in such cases rent review clauses stipulate a specific percentage of turnover. The adoption of this approach for purposes of comparison does mean that account is automatically taken of factors such as location, size, relative pricing, occupancy rates and all advantages and disabilities in existence during the period covered.
It is emphasised that this approach should only be adopted in the light of market rental evidence in support of the percentages adopted.
6. Valuation Approach
6.1 Generally
6.1.1 Car parks should be compared on a "like for like" basis - so that surface car parks are compared with other surface car parks, and multi-storey car parks with other multi-storeys.
6.1.2 The value of a car park will be affected by a number of external factors including nearby on- and off-street parking provisions and policies, levels of charges/free parking, how well placed for shopping, entertainment and business centres, railway stations, and other facilities together with the pattern of demand. Consequently when making comparison with those car parks these factors should be weighed as part of the overall consideration. Relative social and economic factors are also important, when comparison is made outside the immediate locality.
6.2 Multi-storeys
6.2.1 Comparability of physical features, such as size, layout, facilities, and state of structure, should be taken into account.
6.2.2 As fewer adjustments would be necessary greater weight should be given to evidence of properties which are located in the immediate vicinity of the appeal hereditament providing they share common characteristics in terms of physical features.
6.2.3 Where there is little reliable evidence of similar multi-storey car parks nearby, it may be necessary to extend the area of search to find suitable comparables. The choice of comparables should be made on the basis that the greater the similarly in the physical nature of the hereditament and of the locality, the more reliable is the evidence.
6.2.4 Comparables should be selected from locations and towns with similar characteristics in terms of demand. Social and economic factors in the area in which they serve, the proximity to major attractions, and supply (or the competition from both on and off street facilities, restrictions, and policies) should also be weighed.
7. Valuation considerations
7.1 Road Traffic Regulation Act
Local Authorities have powers under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 to provide and control off-street parking and parking on roads. Sec 35 of the Act enables Local Authorities, where they have provided parking spaces under s.32 or 33, to make provision as to:-
(i) the use of the parking place, and in particular the vehicles or class of vehicles which may be entitled to use it,
(ii) the conditions on which it may be used,
(iii) the charges to be paid in connection with its use (where it is an off-street one), and
(iv) the removal of a vehicle left there in contravention of the order.
Car parks in towns are frequently provided under this Act and therefore it will not be uncommon for a Local Authority to possess the powers outlined above. The impact of the exercise of these powers as it would have been at the valuation date is a factor which should be taken into account when assessing a car park or comparing it with other car parks.
7.2 Car parks at Retail Centres - appurtenant or inseparable rights and double counting
7.2.1 The question of double counting is sometimes raised in regard to the valuation of car parks at shopping centres and at retail parks. In such cases the car parks will have been built as part of the retail development scheme. Because the parking benefits the adjoining shops/retail units it is sometimes contended that this means that the value of the car park is reflected in their rents and assessments. Therefore, it is argued that a separate assessment of the car park would lead to double counting.
7.2.2 The value of virtually all property depends on its location, and its surroundings. Merely because some properties enhance, or detract from the value of others nearby, it does not mean that there has been double counting and values need correcting.
7.2.3 Double counting can arise when a single rent is paid for a property (eg. shop with car parking spaces) but it is split for rating purposes into separate assessments. In these cases care needs to be taken to ensure that the rent is appropriately adjusted so that any rental value attributed to the car parking spaces is correctly deducted.
7.2.4 Rights over other land which are appurtenant and inseparable from the hereditament, should be taken in account in valuing the hereditament - Shell Mex & BP v Langley (VO) [1962] RA 476. In the case of a retail centre where the landlord of the retail units and the rateable occupier of the centre's car park(s) is the same, it is appropriate to check the facts of the case to discover if the retail units have such rights over the car park(s).
7.2.5 Valuations of both hereditaments affected should reflect any appurtenant and inseparable rights, enhancing the value of the one and reducing that of the other - Hodgkinson (VO) v Strathclyde Regional Council Superannuation Fund [1996] RA 129. Such rights as exist need to be taken into account when retail centre car parks are valued. When retail tenants, their staff and visitors have to pay the same parking charges as members of the general public, no such rights should be implied - Church Commissioners for England v Mummery (VO) [1998] RA 327.
7.2.6 These rights are examined in more detail in RM5:200 Appendix:1.
7.3 Car parks catering for the needs of a community, town, village
7.3.1 Value will be influenced by the extent of the demand for parking set against the provision of on and off street parking in the area, charges made, and/or the socio-economic benefits derived.
7.3.2 Where a local authority is operating a loss-making car park, the LA will normally have an alternative; it may pay a private operator to manage the car park instead. This has in fact occurred in many cases, and where the arrangement between LA and commercial manager leaves the latter in paramount control, the manager is treated as the rateable occupier; he may then be rated on a value found by application of the R&E basis, incorporating in his receipts the management fee paid by the LA. Whether or not the manager or the LA is in rateable occupation of other municipal facilities (eg swimming pools) depends on the control exercised by the LA over opening hours and charges. But with car parks there are statutory controls which LAs can exercise over both the level of charges and parking periods, at least in some situations. In some cases, LAs do not need to have rateable occupation in order to impose their chosen parking policy; they can impose it on a commercially motivated occupier. In such cases there is no need for the LA to overbid a commercially motivated tenant. Where a LA is in fact in actual occupation of a car park which would be operated in exactly the same way by a commercially motivated party, and where it would be cheaper for the LA to pay an annual subsidy (or management charge) rather than a rent based on the statutory decap rate, it would be reasonable to suppose that the LA would pursue the cheaper option.
7.3.3 If the LA cannot impose their preferred parking policy without exercising paramount control over the hereditament, it should be concluded that they will not be prepared to subsidise a commercially motivated tenant. So in these circumstances where commercial viability is dependent upon an LA subsidy which would not be offered, the LA becomes the only bidder for the hereditament. And since the value which it places on occupation is not profit-driven, but socio-economic, the monetary receipts and outgoings are no guide to its rental bid. The Contractors Basis becomes the only available method. It should be assumed that the LA would be prepared to build an alternative car park as at AVD, but this assumption is capable of rebuttal, on specific evidence to the contrary.
8. Special considerations
8.1 Uneconomic sites
Cases will arise where the value of car parks is adversely affected by circumstances, rendering them temporarily uneconomic. Examples are:-
- car parks constructed as a planning condition in new town in advance of requirements;
- car parks in areas where ample street parking is permitted but which are taken on lease by commercial operators in the expectation of a future demand consequent upon the eventual restriction of street parking. A lease of a car park of this type may provide for the payment with a condition that the rent will be increased to an economic level when restrictions are imposed.
Some allowances may be justifiable when assessing hereditaments where these or similar circumstances arise.
The situation may arise where a car park is considered to be permanently uneconomic (eg due to lack of demand caused by vandalism or poor siting). Details of such cases should be referred to the GVO, who may wish to refer the case to CEO (Rating).
8.2 Peak period car parks
Cases may also arise where local authorities provide car parks designed to cater for peak period use, for which there may be only limited use at other times. Examples are:-
- car parks at coastal resorts which are only fully used from say June to September;
- car parks catering for peak demand (eg on market days, Christmas shopping period, of Saturdays etc).
Such car parks meet a special need and, even where the motive of the occupier of the park is the provision of a service, it should be assumed that the occupier would be willing to pay a market rent for that use which would reflect the nature of the demand.
8.3 Superfluous accommodation
Superfluity of car parking spaces should be considered against the background of local patterns of demand. In general, apart from 8.1 above, an allowance should only be made where it can be proved that there is an excess of accommodation, due regard being had to the likelihood that the car park had been provided to satisfy peak demand and expected to be filled only rarely at other times. Church Commissioners for England v Mummery (VO) [1998] RA 129.
8.4 Weekend Markets and Car Boot Sales
Car Parks are often used for other purposes outside their peak times, and this should be taken into account when rents or receipts are being analysed, and comparisons made. The four tenets of rateable occupation should be examined to see if a separate assessment is justified. In the majority of cases rateable occupation will not pass to the operators of markets or car boot sales.
8.5 Disabled parking
See Rating Manual 4:8.
9. Private car parks
Separately assessed car parks which are not available for public use but are provided for a limited private purpose, (eg for employees or customers of a nearby establishment) should be assessed at figures properly comparable with those adopted for similar public car parks. Regard should be had to any Planning or Highways restrictions imposed on the use of the car park if it could not reasonably be envisaged that these would be relaxed for the hypothetical tenant.


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So Windows 7 beta is out the door and you are ready to begin your beta experience. Over the next few months there will be additional builds for Windows 7 (x86 and x64) as well as Windows Server 2008 R2 and that leads to a lot of installs and a lot of DVD burning and useless DVDs as soon as a new build is out. So why not install from USB or whatever other removable media your computer can boot from? Insert your removable media into a Windows XP or Vista PC and run the following commands from an elevated command prompt.
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Hi Norm,
I'm tryin and tryin your method, but at the end of the procedure, i alway get the message "invalid drive specified ' (in french "specification du lecteur non valide".
And then, when i try to open my drive, it says it is not formatted.
Whats the f***? I do not see where i am wrong.
Note that after "assign letter y", my drive is not formated anymore and i cannot open it anymore.
the mounted drive is GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD (H so the last command is xcopy h:\*.* /s/e/f y:\
Could you help plz?
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I installed 7 from my USB flash-drive and I was using XP Pro before. I got the methods similar to yours on the net but none of them worked. Since it was XP, diskpart didnt show my flash-drive(removable); so there was no way to select my flash disk. Also I found out later that there is no format command in XP's diskpart either.
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Hi Norm,
I'm tryin and tryin your method, but at the end of the procedure, i alway get the message "invalid drive specified ' (in french "specification du lecteur non valide".
And then, when i try to open my drive, it says it is not formatted.
Whats the f***? I do not see where i am wrong.
Note that after "assign letter y", my drive is not formated anymore and i cannot open it anymore.
the mounted drive is GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD (H so the last command is xcopy h:\*.* /s/e/f y:\
Could you help plz?
It could be because if you did the previous steps, your drive must be in RAW format and even I was not able to get it to convert to FAT-32 from XP. So I had to use HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to convert it to FAT-32.
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Some commands in DISKPART are only available after Vista.
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