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Help: making a roux
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- im_with_ana Feb 29, 2012 12:58 PM
So I know that fat amount=flour amount, I.e when I'm making a roux I have to use equal amounts of fat and flour. I tried making a roux to make a cheese sauce and completely messed it up. First of all I didn't have any butter so I used lard (its fat, isn't it?) And then when I added in my cornflour (i improvised as i had ran out of plain flour) then added my cheese and it just turned intto a lumpy mess.
My first question is, when making a roux I have to use plain flour amd either butter or oil, no alternatives?
And my second question is how do I know when to use a roux when making a sauce?
And lastly are there any alternatives to making cheesey sauces or is making a roux better?
All help is greatly appricated! And hopefully some day when I understand all the "sciencey" bits of cooking, I can maybe help some one aswell :-)
re: chileheadmike
What chileheadmike says -
The roux is just a thickener and binder of a liquid. So you can't just add cheese, you must add a liquid, bring back to a boil to allow the roux to thicken the sauce (it won't reach its full thickening potential until the liquid is back at a boil) and then add your cheese - off heat. If you let it come back to a boil the cheese will likely separate and you will get an oily slick, quite a mess. The flour will actually help prevent this from happening but it can still happen if it gets to hot.
A roux is just one of many ways to thicken a sauce. Four in general creates an opaque/cloudy sauce and if the sauce is likely to separate (e.g. with cheese where the oil can separate out of the cheese) the flour helps to keep everything together. Flour thickened sauces in general can handle higher heat and don't loose their thickness when reheated. Using flour in a roux (cooking it in fat first) helps to get rid of the raw flour taste and if the roux is allowed to brown adds a nutty flavor.
You could also use cornstarch to thicken a sauce. Cornstarch typically results in a more clear sauce (e.g. think chinese food sauces) and thickens much more quickly than flour, so doesn't have to necessarily be brought back to a boil. It also contributes very little flavor. It doesn't stand up to reheating quite as well however. So with cornstarch you can dissolve a little in some liquid (e.g. water) and then mix that slurry into your final liquid and voila, thickened sauce. Often used with broths/etc to just give them a little final thickness.
General rules of thumb between the two.
re: thimes
Thank you for taking the time to explain about roux and using cornstarch. I'm going to give it a go again and follow every ones advice. Cheers :-)
re: escondido123
Thank you for this alternative :-)
re: wyogal
I added my milk in cold! I didn't do one thing right. So if I'm making cheese sauce, I need to add HOT milk into my roux, then take it of the heat and my cheese sauce!thank you for all tje replies because I get it now. Although out of curiosity say you only had strong white flour or self raising flour, could you use that ? I'm just wondering, becase the day I went to make my roux for a practice, I ended up improvising and using corn starch .. so i was just wondering if u were stuck could you use one of those types of flour?
re: im_with_ana
not self rising, not sure what strong white flour means..... o.k., just googled it, it's high in gluten. But I would yuse that over self-rsing or cornstarch.
The milk doesn't have to be super hot, warm will do, be ready to whisk.
Have fun!
re: im_with_ana
Self rising wouldn't be the best (you don't need the baking powder) but probably won't a disaster. Strong (or bread) flour should be ok, though a weaker/softer flour is better, since it's the starch that does the thickening, not the gluten.
Some make a big deal about the temperature of the milk that you add. In my experience it does not matter.
re: im_with_ana
No, you MUST use a cold liquid into a hot roux if you want to avoid lumping. When you add hot liquid into a hot roux, you get dumplings. You must give the starch granules the opportunity to spread out evenly before they "explode" and gelatinize. The roux and the liquid must always be at opposing temperatures.
Unless you are an expert sauce-maker and are highly skilled at whisking, using this method gives you much more leeway and less likelihood of lumping.
re: acgold7
Yep, you are right. Why have I heard it needed to be hot? or warm? hmmmm (and quite frankly, I thought I was breaking the rules by being to lazy to heat the liquid... hahahaha!)
Hot roux, cold liquid
cold roux, hot liquid
re: wyogal
One reason experienced chefs use a hot or boiling liquid directly into the hot roux is that it will thicken much, much faster, nearly instantly as the entire sauce explodes into a boil the moment you add the liquid. But you need to be a Robo-whisker to make it do that without clumping up. Amateurs like myself -- I like the greater margin for error with cold liquid.
re: im_with_ana
I mistakenly used self rising flour for a dark roux once. It worked, but I wouldn't recommend it. It kept trying to rise while is was browning. It was a lot of fun to watch. I think the leavening eventually cooked out and it came out fine.
Don't try this at home kids.
re: im_with_ana
I never use hot liquid. Room temp? Maybe. Cold? Yep, the majority of the time. I think the temp is a personal preference. Adding hot liquid will help it reach a boil quicker but it will also create more lumps.
I wouldn't use self rising flour unless it was the only kind I had. I use plain old all purpose flour. Cornstarch shouldn't be used for a roux. It works better as a slurry to thicken after the liquid has been added.
Here's a link to a gravy thread here on the board with some helpful tips.
corn flour - are you British? If so, you are probably talking about corn starch (in American usage). That isn't combined with a fat to make a roux, instead it is mixed with a bit of cold liquid to make a slurry, and that is added to the hot liquid.
Come to think of it, any other interpretation of corn flour is used as a slurry - whether finely ground cornmeal or masa harina (tortilla flour).
Did you add a liquid? or just try to melt cheese directly in the 'roux'?
re: paulj
I added in milk and then cheese all at the same temp that had made my (crap/fake/weak attempt of a) roux. So when I'm using corn flour/ starch (I'm irish btw), I need to mix it cold liquid then add it to my hot liquid to create clear sauce? And to make a roux I must use pplain flour and fat! I think I've got it.. I'm going to give it another go asap. Obviously I've messed up from the corn starch right to when I put the cheese in ..
re: im_with_ana
This page
and the following one on starch thickeners might help sort out the options
As far as cheese sauces go, I find that using some cheese like cheddar notoriously don't melt smoothly, can separate and get lumpy, This is the one place where I will use 50/50 Velveeta and cheddar to get the right consistency and some cheddar flavor. Some other cheese sauces like a Mornay sauce which has copious amounts of Parmesan are best used right away and seem to break down the longer you keep it warm on the stove waiting for everything else to cook.
re: LorenM
Velveeta and other processed cheeses have emulsifiers that promote smooth melting, and keep the cheese from separating. There is a chow video on how to make your own processed cheese.
re: LorenM
Very right that not all cheese melt the same way into a cheese sauce. So you do have to know a little about how each cheese melts and which work best. A lot has to do with the moisture content of the cheese but there are other variables. A young cheddar for example will melt better than an aged cheddar (which I find also gets grainy). So for mac and cheese for example I use a mix of cheeses.
Just to say though - a Mornay sauce is just a classic french sauce that is a bechamel with cheese added. It doesn't have to be parmesan. Even if you add cheddar or velveeta it is technically a mornay (though I'm sure the french would take issue with the velveeta or even calling it cheese but that is a different thread).
Once you decide you want to make a roux, as a base for Creole/Cajun and related styles of cooking, give yourself a morning in your kitchen. Good coffee and music and a day to get to know your stove top, your pan of choice and what amount of heat works for you.
A wire whisk is my main tool. Cooking slowly and consistant stirring. First aim for a walnut colored roux. Uniformly walnut, and it will be molten in temperature.
Once you've mastered walnut colored, you can aim for darker. But it's something that is yours alone. My cooking times won't work for you, unless you're at my cook top and with my fry pan of choice.
re: shallots
If you're trying out a dark roux for the first time I might recommend a flat bottomed wooden "spoon" (what I use isnt really a spoon at all just a flat edged wooden . . . scraper for lack of a better term for it - I'm sure there is a technical term I just don't know it).
A whisk can have trouble getting into the corners of a pan and if you leave flour/roux in the edges of the pan it can tend to burn if you're not careful and once a roux burns its done. No saving it.
re: thimes
For making dark roux (like for gumbo), I use peanut oil. It has a high burning temperature, so the roux is less likely to burn. Like thimes, I also use a wide, flat-bottomed wooden spatula ("paddle"). This allows me not only to get into the corners (which a whisk does not), but also allows me to stir more of the roux with every pass (again, reducing the risk of burning). I find this is more an issue with dark roux for creole/cajun cooking. When I'm doing a bechamel that doesn't cook nearly as long before adding the liquid, the whisk seems to work fine.
re: edwardspk
agreed, I also tend to use a flat whisk or a french whisk (very narrow) when doing sauces or a roux.
If all you have is a big balloon whisk that will just make it worse. Just a consideration.
re: shallots
Just to clarify for the OP, in case it's not entirely clear from your post, this type of roux is NOT what you want for a cheese sauce. Please don't make a walnut roux and then add milk and cheese - ick.
re: Ditdah
Right, the dark roux is used for color and flavor, while the OP was just wanting to thicken a milk based sauce. For that purpose you just want to take the raw taste of flour away, and even that can be dealt with by simmering the completed sauce for a while (10 or so minutes).
The dark roux is its own art form, especially as done in Louisiana cooking.
You can use any fat you want to make roux, which uses flour.
If you are using corn starch , you don't want to make roux, you want to make a slurry, and you do add it to the liquid near the end. You must make a slurry or else it will be lumpy.
Here's what I do and I am from Louisiana! I keep a roux in the fridge for thickening sauces all the time. Simply do this:
to 1 cup of butter, lard, bacon fat, canola or a mixture
add 1-1/3 cups of unbleached Flour ( not corn)
Stir on medium and watch it carefully
When it gets to a pecan colored brown - remove from heat and let it cool.
Put this in a covered jar in your fridge.
When you want to thicken any sauce or pan drippings, the rule of thumb is about 1-2 TBS of the roux to the liquid, depending on how thick you want it, add to simmering liquid whisking all the time. .... oops! 1-2 TBS to EACH CUP OF LIQUID. That's it.
re: happygoluckyinoregon
Why do you use when making mac-n-cheese? The OP was making a cheese sauce.
To make a proper Escoffier roux, which IMO is the only way to make it you must use EXACTLY 6 parts flour and 5 parts clarified butter. Cook this mixture on low heat until you achieve a 'sandy' texture. You MUST then let this mixture completely cool before adding any liquid to it. Then you can add whatever hot liquid you wish basically depending on what sauce et. you're making. Many recipes call for equal parts clarified butter and flour. This is not correct. You will never get the 'sandy' texture that way. Your roux will be 'oily' using equal parts. It's little things like this tip that separates the really excellent cooks from the others. Oh yeah, when you are going to add any hot liquid pour it all in at once. Then stir stir stir. Don't 'drizzle' it in. You'll get a beautiful silky result this way.
re: Puffin3
Is that parts by weight or by volume? Does it have to be clarified butter? What do you do if you only have regular butter (e.g. 80% butterfat)?


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Justin Morneau was claimed on waivers several days ago, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (Twitter links). The Twins didn't work out a trade with the claiming team, so the first baseman will be staying in Minnesota. If the Twins place Morneau on waivers again, the waivers will no longer be revocable. However it seems unlikely that Morneau will be placed on waivers again since the Twins don't view him as a giveaway, according to Heyman.
Morneau earns $14MM this year — approximately $2.8MM between now and the end of the regular season — and the same amount in 2013. The 31-year-old has a .274/.332/.472 batting line with 17 home runs and 25 doubles in 446 plate appearances this year. This marks the first time since 2009 that Morneau has played in 100 games, an indication that Morneau's concussion issues are not preventing him from producing.
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Scott Hairston Claimed On Waivers
5:10pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports hears that the winning team made the claim as a block, and Hairston is not likely to be traded (Twitter link).
4:41pm: Mets outfielder Scott Hairston has been claimed on waivers by an unknown team, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (all Twitter links). The Dodgers did not win the claim and neither did the Giants, Heyman writes.
The Mets placed Hairston and Andres Torres on waivers over the weekend. They now have two days to select one of three options. They can let Hairston (and his contract) go to the claiming team, they can complete a trade with the claiming team, or they can pull him back off of waivers. National League teams had waiver priority on Hairston, beginning at the bottom of the standings.
Hairston, 32, earns $1.1MM this year — just $200K between now and the end of the season. He has a .272/.312/.512 batting line this year and a history of hitting left-handed pitching well.
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Justin Upton Claimed On Waivers
7:46pm: The Rangers are one of several clubs that placed a claim on Upton, reports MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. Since they have the best record in the AL, Texas is dead last on the waiver priority list for an NL player.
SATURDAY, 6:48pm: The Red Sox were not the claiming team, reports Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe (on Twitter). He reiterates that Upton will not be traded.
FRIDAY: Justin Upton has been claimed on waivers by an unidentified team, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (Twitter links). However, a Diamondbacks official said there's "no chance" of a trade this month.
Diamondbacks managing partner Ken Kendrick told reporters last month that it's a "reasonable assumption" that Upton will stay put for the remainder of the season. It's not at all uncommon for teams to determine trade interest by placing players — even stars — on the waiver wire.
Upton will earn $9.75MM in 2013, $14.25MM in 2014 and $14.5MM in 2015. His six-year, $51.25MM contract allows him to block moves to the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and Indians.
The Diamondbacks now have until Sunday to select one of three options. They can let Upton (and his contract) go to the claiming team, they can complete a trade with the claiming team, or they can pull him back off of waivers. Expect Arizona to pull Upton back off of waivers.
National League teams had claiming priority on Upton, whose teammate, Joe Saunders, cleared waivers today. Upton, 25, has a .273/.356/.397 batting line with nine home runs in 472 plate appearances this year.
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When Halo 2 was released for Microsoft (MSFT) XBox in 2004, it broke the record for the highest-grossing launch of any type of media product (yes, really), generating $125 million in revenue — 2.4 million copies — in 24 hours.
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Another product that has benefited from the buzz surrounding Halo 3 is Silverlight, Microsoft's platform for building rich Internet applications. Like Flash, Java, and many other platforms, Silverlight requires users to install a browser plug-in before they can use it. This presents a common problem — you need users to have the plug-in before developers jump on board, and you need developers on board building great apps for the platform before users want to install the plug-in. Microsoft decided to leverage Halo 3 to help solve this problem. Over the last few weeks, lots of Halo 3 related content has been made available such as trailers, promos, and an online manual. The catch? You've got to have Silverlight installed before you can view any of the content. It's a very smart move. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the early installs of Silverlight can be attributed to fans eager for Halo 3 content.Microsoft's partners have gotten in on the action too. Mountain Dew launched "Mountain Dew Game Fuel" on August 13th, the first beverage co-branded with a video game. 7-Eleven has been offering three Halo 3-branded Slurpee cups, and has been part of the promotional campaign being run with Mountain Dew and Doritos. Burger King started offering Halo 3-themed packaging yesterday, and will continue to do so right through October 22nd. Other companies that are participating in the Halo 3 campaign include Pontiac and Comcast.
Meanwhile, Microsoft may be showing its "Mr. Softy" side a bit, now that it's finally getting serious with Facebook. Let's hope they cut a deal soon. The constant, boring speculation over exactly how rich Mark Zuckerberg will be is beyond tiresome. Thankfully, BoomTown's Kara Swisher agrees. Get a load of this critique:
…I believe Silicon Valley can now be considered to be at Delusional Level Red. Or green, given all the cash that is being shoved in Facebook's direction now.
Facebook is not Google: Although many in the tech sector make the comparison to the search giant, it is simply incorrect.Is Facebook like Yahoo a bit? Certainly. A newfangled version of AOL? Absolutely! A very well done media play with all sorts of interactive bells and whistles hanging off of it? Yes, ma'am.
Indeed, it is growing its media business nicely, with $30 million in profits on $150 million in revenue.
But in comparative terms to the search giant, Facebook is a lemonade stand. Google brought in $3.9 billion in revenue in just the second quarter alone and, um, is increasing its dominance over the search sector in a mighty scary way.
Facebook, on the other hand, gets half its annual revenue right now from a sweetheart guaranteed revenue deal with, drum roll, Microsoft. No matter what either Facebook or Microsoft says, it is a money-losing deal for Microsoft so far.
How do I know this? According to many sources, Google is struggling to make ends meet in its own sweetheart guaranteed ad deal with Facebook rival MySpace, which is much larger, and Google has the best monetization engine out there.
Ouch! Swisher goes on to mention other problems, insisting Facebook's potential is not actual, that most techies weren't popular in high school and, therefore, overestimate the importance of stuff that seems important to them, and even breaks out the calculator to show that the company's pre-money valuation is actually $525 million — a far cry from the $15 billion for which they're rumored to be holding out.
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- A First Gulf Bank branch in Dubai. The bank announced that its $500 million sukuk fetched $1.4 billion on closing.
Abu Dhabi: Abu Dhabi-based lender First Gulf Bank (FGB) yesterday said its $500 million (Dh1.83 billion) sukuk has been oversubscribed 2.8 times to fetch $1.4 billion (Dh5.14 billion) on closing.
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Andre' Sayegh, CEO of First Gulf Bank, said: "The positive response we have received for this transaction clearly reflects the trust that investors have in our bank and in our strong fundamentals and ability to provide sustainable returns to our shareholders. This is our second sukuk transaction, and we have witnessed overwhelming responses in both times from investors in the Middle East, Europe and Asia."
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Jun 07
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simoncbr900rr says:
uuummm....rossi doesn`t hold back either!! anymore cos he knows stoner is a much better rival than gibernau.......the question is how good is stoner......the nearest ducati was 12th...yams were 2,3,4......if someone tempts stoner away from ducati they`ll be nowhere
Oct 07
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windy12 says:
What a ride by Edwards, he has done a Plater and is getting more youthful on a bike each year!!
Brilliant ride by Stoner. The tracks are what is wrong with GP, they were ok, just for the 500s as they were amazing bikes to watch people wrestle with, with these bikes the tracks are boring. With the likes of British Spuerbikes they are travelling slower but the tracks give the impression of much higher speed with undulations etc. They could have had twists, turns hills and hollows with big run off areas to save injuries, but kept the excitement. The old GP cars used to handle hills etc before they piled on those stupid downforce wings and worse still nose fins, levelled out the tracks for the one type of racing. Jackie Stewart, Stirling Moss and Graham Hill used to get air under his car in the early days!!
Spectators should design tracks alongside the professionals.
Apr 05
Posts: 338
Fuller46 says:
foggy on a ducati, you must be joking, what a laugh, take him to phillip island again and watch him be a cocky arse and do himself over again - he's always been a tosser and he got caned off john kocinski. your a decade too late buddy
Jul 08
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damien46 says:
for fuck sake will ye all calm down,rossi was much closer than last year and we all know what happend and they have tested a lot in qatar so lets forget that race and hope things are closer in japan,well done casey and vale..
Mar 07
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Evs7 says:
The next nearest Ducati was Mika Kallio in 8th place and he rode pretty damn well. I can see Kallio getting to grips with that bike before the season is out. Normally it takes riders half the season before they master the Ducati but Kallio looks like he might follow in Casey's footsteps.
Love the way everyone is moaning after one race and also at the wrong people as always. Why is it supposedly Casey Stoners or Ducati's fault? It is Ducati's job to make a competitive bike, it is Casey's job to ride it as fast as possible, if the show is no good then maybe the other factory's and rider's should pull there fingers out and ride on the limit.
The tyres weren't designed for the Ducati. The Bridgestone tyres this year are completely new compound.
On another point is it also boring that only two riders have won in World Superbike this year in the opening 6 races?
Jun 08
Posts: 40
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Many years ago I read the following interesting fact:
There are more people who live in the greater London area, than the total population of Australia, yet you could fit all of Great Britain into area of Victoria. (our smallest mainland state)
Makes you wonder how we keep on producing so many champions!!
Go Casey.
Aug 02
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mike27 says:
If I recall correctly, the correct order of excuses over the last few years for Stoner's "easy" wins have been:
1 The Ducati is a lot faster in a straight line (the Yamaha is as fast, as is the Honda with Pedrosa on it)
2 The Ducati has the best tyres (CS still wins when they're all on Bridgestones and NOT the special compounds that only him and Rossi are capable of using - note the only reason the others didn't have those tyres last year is that they were not capable of using them);
3 The Ducati has the best traction control enabling Stoner to just "pin it" out of corners (CS is faster out of corners that his rivals, but he also gains alot into the corners, including over the other Dukes) - plus, if it's so easy, why can't his team mates just "pin it" and get within 1 second a lap of him?;
4 Stoner can only win from the front as he isn't good enough to dice with the others (2008 Qatar, he picked em off nicely as I recall - why bother to mix it when you don't have to?);
5 Only Stoner is able to ride the Duke as it has been made for him.
Now, 5 is a great reason as it is almost impossible to argue against...except, of course, it is utter boll0cks! The title-winning GP7 was designed before CS had even signed for Ducati and he went to win 10 races on it and the title. I mean come on; Capirossi, Melandri and Hayden are class riders, but have to date been incapable of giving CS a game.
Let's face it guys, you may have to recognise that Stoner is actually a brilliant rider who is winning races on merit. Perhaps not??? Well, just remember that Jerry Burgess pushed Yamaha to sign him for the 2007 season (and they chose Edwards!!). Maybe, JB knows what he's on about???
Oct 04
Posts: 93
Stavros7 says:
Good points Evs7 - couldn't agree more.
Seems to me that unless Rossi wins then a race is declared boring by his adoring fans.
Can't understand how a race can be called boring when you have riders battling to get the best out of their machines at over 200mph! How can that possibly be boring???
Really glad to see Marco get some points - I really hope he can build his confidence and improve race by race - subject to the Kawasaki team continuing this year.
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why do these discusions always come down to stoner and rossi the fact is moto gp is becoming boring and something has to change . closer racing , better racing , more people watching
I find it confusing when people say MotoGP is boring. great battles between Dovi/Lorenzo/Edwards and also Pedrosa/De Angelis. Also the gaps in qualifying were closer in MotoGP than they were in 125cc.
It took five years to get the 990cc era competitive so that we got a last race championship decider. This is only the third 800cc season. In two seasons time the racing will be much closer as Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha will all have re-developed their bikes to get closer to Ducati and Stoner.
I'm not trying to cause arguements or a Stoner/Rossi war of words, merely saying credit where credit is due. I follow a lot of the riders rather than one in general and I really don't think Stoner is given credit for his success.
He's a class act and one of the few riders who was able to give Pedrosa a battle in the 250cc class and was a huge success in the British 125cc championship. The guy has natural talent.
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Good Fellas Grill in North Phoenix has the real estate luck of being located next door to our favorite Mexican/Chinese fusion dive, Chino Bandido, which we like for the fun dish combinations -- like jerk chicken and refried beans -- at a decent price. For wandering souls looking for somewhere new in ... More >>
If you're looking for a way to spice up your life, you can't go wrong at Baiz Market, a Middle Eastern grocery with its own restaurant, Al Hana.
Megan DobranskyHummus sampler featuring roasted red pepper, artichoke and regular hummus. The decor at The Nile Cafe in Scottsdale's Papago Plaza is not surprising -- the cozy cafe is Egyptian-themed, complete with big gold sarcophagus models and hieroglyphics-print table cov ... More >>
The best ethnic food is often the most difficult to find. So each week we'll spin the globe and search for a new other-worldly spot to expand our eating horizons around the Valley.This week we go to Lebanon, Israel and Greece at Middle Eastern Bakery & Deli.Carrie WheelerThe combination pla ... More >>
Amy SilvermanHummus is the glue -- sometimes almost literally -- that holds a Middle Eastern/Mediterranean meal together. Do it wrong, and indeed, it's a little like cement. And not in a good way.But do it well and some of us will fill up on the chickpea dip long before the gyro or the kebabs hit ... More >>
Hungry yet? We're working up our appetites for our huge Best of Phoenix issue, out September 30, with daily servings of Chow Bella's 100 Favorite Dishes from across the Valley -- in no particular order Leave your suggestions for upcoming favorites in the comments section. Visit our sister bl ... More >>
Chef Sara Siso's Almond HummusThis week, Chef Sara Siso shared with us her thoughts about the benefits of a Raw Vegan diet. Now she shares one of her easiest recipes, a twist on the traditional hummus. Listed below are just some of the health benefits provided by the ingredients in this recip ... More >>
I've gone on record as saying that it's not hard to find good Middle Eastern food in the Valley. Choosing among all the great places has become the difficult part. Now, I'll have to add Persian Garden Café to the mix, especially when I want a little bit nicer, sit-down dining experience.Jamie Peach ... More >>
By Jay Bennett Hummus, kebabs, falafel — just say the word and I'm there. So when a Budget Beat reader named Natalie said the word, I was more than willing to oblige. She suggested I hit up one of her favorite Middle Eastern spots, Ararat. So the missus and I headed for a faraway land called Avo ... More >>
By Jay Bennett You don't have to twist my arm to get me to dine on the cuisine of the Middle East. It's, perhaps, my favorite ethnic food — and has been ever since I was a little kid eating dinner at the house of my Uncle Walid, a Syrian immigrant. Back in the day, he was quite the cook, whipping ... More >>
A good reason to fight your way into Tempe
Kebab's your uncle
Fattoush serves up stellar lamb in record time
A magical mystery tour through the Algerian fare
Taste the flavors of Caspian without paying for airfare
Out of Africa come the flavors you'll find at Tempe's Blue Nile Cafe
Middle Eastern cuisine gets a peaceful treatment at Persian Garden
Cafe Istanbul
Middle Eastern staple stakes its claim in Phoenix
Middle Eastern Bakery & Deli
3052 North 16th Street
Bravo Bistro
4327 North Scottsdale Road, Scottsdale
ZakeE Mediterranean Eatery
5055 West Ray, Suite 8, Chandler
ZakeE Mediterranean Eatery


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