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- SecretAsianMan Oct 13, 2006 08:17 AM
Fellow Hounds,
I wonder...what's the attraction to the place? I walked through the Pasadena shop and found their selection to be an interesting mixture of high-end yum-yums. But do you think they'll actually make money? I'm curious to know what your collective thoughts are!
I'm actually a bit curious about that myself, too -- but I do find their food better than most convenience store fares (I <3 their green tea mousse cake /w azuki bean paste), and opening till midnight, I can imagine that place getting a good deal of late-night business (esp. when the Laemmle theater next door lets out.) But I guess time will tell-
Here's my take on Famima's attraction: when I need something from 7-11, I try to get in and out in record time, as everything usually seems dodgy and off; like a gas station bathroom, the 7-11 experience (for me) is a utilitarian and necessary 'evil'. At Famima!!, the environment seems much more conducive to lingering, leisurely eyeballing the products and trying something new, even if I just need a bottle of water or gum (when was the last time anyone strode into a 7-11 to try something new?). No menacing staff or customers watching my movements or badgering me when I need to break a twenty. I like the stuff at Famima!! (the curry fried bread and the fastfood bao), but I really enjoy the boutique ambiance translated into a convenience store...
re: silence9
Exactly. They're also targeting high density neighborhoods and areas with high foot traffic. So they'll definitely make money just off their toiletries and stuff, those looking for quick snacks, and the curious.
re: silence9
Yup...in a 7-11, I find myself trying to find something that I might actually eat, whereas at Famima just about EVERYTHING looks good. Some of the most interesting sandwiches I've ever seen anywhere, and there they are all wrapped up and ready to go.
re: afs
That's very exciting!!!! DO you know the downtown locations?
I live in Echo Park and know that one of those could make some killer dough in this neighborhood - cuz there's nothing fast that's open late that isn't a taco truck or jack in the box.
And to the OP - yes they will make money. Poeple like me who don't want to spend over $10 on almost any meal and who have crazy schedules will eat there a lot. And the food is not bad at all (not phenomenal, but not bad at all.) and a lot of us are looking for fast things that are not completely unhealthy.
Great thoughts!
I love the lingering eyeballing as well. Rodia notepads? Japanese doo-dads. Great product selection.
One thing I wonder about is have you seen anyone actually BUY something there?
I've bought things there, at the Hollywood location! And there's generally at least a few people in there, including "characters" from in front of the Chinese.
Parking is irritating, since I don't live walking distance. Generally have to go during the day, because at night, all the valet parkers hog the meters.
I am strangely addicted to their chicken salad sandwiches. Strange, since I don't like chicken salad. But theirs has a red pepper taste and much less mayo than usual. I also like their bao, I think it's better than some I've had at those trendy "Asian fusion" places. I don't really like their sushi or rolls, other than the inari with the udon noodles (weird but good). Plus, Pocky!
Famima intrigues me greatly. I hope they branch out into Orange County. I also think they should consider branches on the campuses of local universities with high Asian attendance (ex. UCI & UCLA), or near the dorms. There's a whole, untapped market of carless students with a taste for these products and a moderate amount of disposable income they can tap. I can still remember midnight munchie runs to the local 7-11 with friends when we were up late studying. If we'd had Famima as an option, we'd definitely have ended up there instead. I can't imagine students have changed that much in the past seven years.
- Chubbypanda
re: Chubbypanda
The website shows a Westwood Blvd. location, but not near UCLA.
re: Jesdamala
Corner of Westwood blvd. and Ohio...
Great to know.
Though I'd love to know more about their market testing and who made the decision to add the two "!!" at the end. Seems a little hyperactive.
And do they expect anyone to realize "Famima" is originally English for "Family Mart"?
Does anyone else notice its only two letters away from the word "Famine"?
Do you think they did any market testing at all?
tried the bao and a salad there. both were unremarkable, the chicken bao was undercooked (yuck!) and the veggie bao slimy and undercooked. the southwest salad had a funky odor to it that caused it to get tossed. because of this, i WILL NOT try anything that can spoil there. i'd rather roll the dice at the culinary academy across the street.
japanese 7-11! i only went it b/c i live across the street from the one in torrance, but didn't buy anything. just looked like over priced snacks to me! i thinkt hey need a bigger selection otherwise they're going to go out of business.
I love going to the one on Santa Monica Boulevard near La Cienega because it's great to sit outside and people watch from their outdoor perch.
Love their UCC iced coffee in a can. Their yaki soba is okay. To me, it's great when you have a craving for certain Japanese products -- without having to go all the way to Japan Town or Sawtelle.
The food is generally ok. Good eclectic mix of stuff. Some Japanese and some not.
It's a neat place to have in the neighborhood. The first Pasadena location is actually on Raymond, north of Colorado. They close at 2:00 a.m. daily. I hope they do enough business to stay open.
Okay, so we went again today. The pork buns aren't bad. I love the soup dispensing machine--$2.99 for a large soup seems an incredible bargain. I even won a box of Pocky in their Grand Opening Contest.
However, the $4 packs of high-end blossoming tea seems a marketing failure.
I asked the clerk what sold well--Drinks, packed fresh foods, BBQ pork buns and Isabella's homemade cookies (almost $6!!).
re: SecretAsianMan
you know the pasadena yuppies will pay for the convenience of not having to go to mitsuwa.
re: SecretAsianMan
I LOVE the pork buns! try the refridgerated sweet sponge cakes with cream filling (the color is yellow)
Went there again today, bought a few things, took some pictures & just blogged about this ( http://la-oc-foodie.blogspot.com/2006... ), but here's an abridged verison:
I agree that food is mostly OK to good (with a few notable raves -- the green tea mousse cake!! YUM!) ~ but here are a few draws I have with famima!
1) They are a quick-serve convenience store and they have a lot of variety of foods. I can just go there, make up my mind THEN about what I want and get near-instant gratification. I'm sure I can get whatever-I-bought better elsewhere, but that meant I have to commit to that decision earlier beforehand, not to mention dealing with the likely long wait times and the lack of mix-and-match options that famima!! offers (where I can easily grab a sandwich, some fried ravioli, the green tea mousse cake and a ramune soda!)
2) the portions are actually tailored towards single people! Unlike most other places that sells ready-to-eat meals for families (meaning for me that either something's gonna go bad in my fridge or I'll have to eat lasagna/roast chicken/salad till it comes outta my nostrils.)
3) it's on my work-home commute, not to mention a block away from the laemmle theater (where I frequent I to catch indie flicks) - combined with their 7am - midnight hours, it's at least a reliable back-up plan for times when I'm not sure what's gonna be open, what's NOT going to have a long wait time, where I can grab a quick bite before going to a show, etc.
However, I do agree that some parts of their business model may need a bit of tweaking (I can't imagine myself going *there* to buy high-end teas or personal hygiene products) - but I personally hope that it generally comes out successful.
PS to previous comment about undercooked baos, they've worked out the staeming issues with that machine now -- and their buns, while not the best, are consistently cooked and not half-bad.
No way is this chain gonna make it. It's ridiculous. Oooh, overpriced pencils and pork buns! I'm so there! Maybe on Sawtelle, but on Hollywood Blvd? So sorry.
Hey, as long as they're importing iffy Japanese retail concepts to the US, how about a 7-story-tall electronics boutique jammed full of pirated software and tube amps like they have in Akihabara -- now THAT I'd be into.
re: jesuswept
Because that will be outright illegal.
If people have money to spend, and they think the items are novel to them, they'll buy it.
re: jesuswept
You're just not understanding the convenience concept, are you? Not everyone wants to drive all the way to Sawtelle or Little Tokyo to get their "Asian fix". I get my soba and ramen there so I don't have to waste time driving.
Also Famima is one of the VERY FEW PLACES in LA that are open late, thank God! I wish there were more places open past 5 or 6 pm in this town...
re: Liquid Sky
exactly liquid sky - i don't love it b/c it's either authentic or exotic, but b/c it's convenient!
And also slightly healthier than other food you can get fast.
** Note - tried the philly cheese steak yesterday - not that great, but very nice onions. have now had the ikura handroll twice and am pretty damn pleased with that item: sweet mint, seaweed, little bit of rice and salt explosion from the eggs.
re: mr mouther
Speaking of Famima!'s sushi, I was delighted to find it very fresh and generous. They will have both masago and salmon roe, and at least five other types of fish.
re: Liquid Sky
"Also Famima is one of the VERY FEW PLACES in LA that are open late, thank God! I wish there were more places open past 5 or 6 pm in this town..."
LOL, you either live in Santa clarita or don't get around much, do you?
When I saw pre-made white bread sandwiches (much nicer than gas station sandwiches) in every drug store in London, I thought- why don't they have this in the US?
Gotta say, I really, really like this place for grab-and-go lunch. Friendly and smart staff, too.
Only thing is, and this may not be a bad thing, I can't get a diet coke wih my soup and sandwich.
Had roasted garlic and tomato soup the other day- chunky yumminess!!
re: julietg
Thank you Julietg! I have to go by there soon~
re: chowmominLA
Famima=short for Family Mart
One just opened in Long Beach (intersection of Los Coyotes, Clark, and Stearns) and I was wondering what it was. Now after reading all these posts I'm definitely intreagued enough to give it a try! Thanks!!
I've been by 4 of their stores and from someone who has built retail stores, they have wasted selling space, Torrance store. Don't think that they're making any money. Their food is O.K., but pricy for what it is. If it's near you, within walking distance, then it's great. I wouldn't drive to one, not worth it. But for a late night package of premade sushi or pastry, it's not bad.
re: bassbiz
It's not supposed to be a Nijiya replacement - it's exactly like a 7-11 - for when you don't want to wait in line at the supermarket, or the supermarket is closed. After reading about Famima on this board, I just stopped by the Westwood one for the first time after a late evening at work (Nijiya was long closed).
I say thumbs up. Larger and more upscale selection than 7-11, with lots of Asian selections not available on 7-11. I even saw decent packaged tea (try getting that at 7-11). I bought a mini-chocolate bundt cake (some brand I've never heard of - perhaps a house brand?) and it was actually decent for packaged food. Also picked up for general storage some mini-containers of green tea and azuki bean ice crean (again, try getting that at 7-11). I have to agree on the parking - there isn't any at the one on Westwood.
re: SauceSupreme
The one in WeHo makes a great mini mozzarella wrap with fresh mozzarella. Had a nice Brazilian iced coffee in a bottle. Yes, if you live close to the bigger Japanese markets, you wouldn't need to come to Famima, but most of us don't live close to one of the bigger markets!
re: bassbiz
I happened to hit the Westwood Famina at 10:30 p.m. and found a place to park nearby. Otherwise, I agree, I don't see how you would ever park there. I am wondering if they are somehow depending on walk-in traffic from nearly apartments/condos. They are only open until 11:00 p.m., so they can't be depending on the really, really late night drop-ins.


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A small patch of traditional meadow on the River Dee flood plain south of Chester.
Friday, 1 August 2014
August 2014
Friday, 4 July 2014
July 2014
Another recently acquired tree was Malus sieversii - a historically interesting variety considered a progenitor for the modern apple. A more adventurous blog by others here...
Unfortunately there was no reason given by http://www.integrityseoexperts.co.uk and I don't think they expected me to wander a mile up the road to the company referenced in the post to discuss the matter, who then contacted them within 30 minutes.
In terms of reputation management and how the internet works, their initial style of approach could be quite damaging if they provoke anybody who has made legitimate negative comments about a client.
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|Rabbit (or vole) damage
Wednesday, 30 April 2014
May Eve
However, heavy rain and maybe frost is expected over the next couple of days and nights.
The field and trees are mainly looking after themselves, my own level of activity is still a little reduced due to ongoing Crohns Disease problems. The opportunity of a large green space to relax in as nature cycles through the seasons is a pleasant distraction.
Saturday, 18 January 2014
2014 and a New Year
By the start of the year, the River Dee was in flood, peaking around 8.7 metres at the Holt / Farndon Bridge height gauge.
This is around the gate top for water level at the field, but the trees seem to cope (an old established orchard at the same ground level near by, as well as mature ash, oak, lime, hawthorn, blackthorn and walnut give me no real longterm concerns).
The waters now back withon the river channel, the ground is walkable and the flotsam debris removed and burnt to ash from the gateway.
Unfortunately some fly-tipping on the lane at the top of the access track, but the council have a handy web page / app for reporting for investigation and removal.
A couple more hedging plants ordered for filling gaps and the final planning of the finished orchard layout to plod on with...
Winter 2013
Up until Xmas week the field had been reasonably dry until the rains and an expanding River Dee filling up from Wales...
Ongoing Crohns / health distractions have rendered most of 2013 a slow year.
I did manage to get nearly 30 litres of cider prepared from the orchard trees as well as a couple of litres of fresh apple juice refreshingly drunk soon after pressing.
A handy implement was acquired from a talented local blacksmith - a sturdy levelling ring for dressing over a couple of low spots in the grassland. Based on an old cartwheel iron tyre used for similar in one of Louden's old agricultural encyclopaedias.
Tree stock at home for transplanting has a minor backlog, but includes the interesting malus pumila niedzwetzkyana
Sunday, 13 October 2013
Autumn 2013
August and September came and went reasonably but a low level of activity due to continued health interruptions (Crohn's Disease).
A good year for the apples and the time of year for a few events and activities out and about (such as the Apple & Quince Day at Norton Priory)...
My orchard and grassland had done rather well this year.
The young pear tree that still had fruit, lost it to badgers, but the majority of the apple trees and some quince varieties have been quite productive.
The cider varieties have produced enough fruit to make some potentially good single variety fermentations and some blends and juice.
One early success from the couple of acres of grass, was a meadowsweet ale brewed (to an elderflower champagne recipe). Early appraisals by others are commending it.
Farmers weekly had a publicity push for agricultural environmental waste exemptions - onerous but important paperwork for even small scale activities registered with the Environment Agency. For me these include composting, using vegetation shreddings, chippings or ash, burning hedge trimmings etc.
Wednesday, 17 July 2013
July 2013
A run of sunny weather not seen for a couple of years.
Not been up to much at the field recently whilst Crohns Disease continues to be a distraction to general levels of fitness.
Meanwhile, the trees and grass have been doing ok mainly by themselves...
One of the quince trees is reasonably abundant as well as one of the pear trees and the medlar.
A noticeable amount of apple trees are bearing fruit and a couple of mulberry trees have signs of fruit forming.
The grass has a few more wild flowers noticeable this year and the meadowsweet particularly has proliferated as intended (with s few gallons of meadowsweet flower ale now brewing).
As the hot spell commenced, I managed to get a couple of watering sessions done from a tanker behind the Landrover. I use a dilution of Maxicrop to feed the fruit trees (as well as a kindly donation of a couple of tonnes of horse muck for around the tree bases).
Some interesting conversations with locals and passers-by. One farmer neighbour has got a hay crop in after losing last year to summer floods, although another neighbour has maize struggling this year.
The local history society and archaeologists have been busy across the river at the castle, as well as geophysics and trial digs on the English side. Quite a bit of local community engagement for them too.
Thursday, 13 June 2013
3 Years
I've had the field three years now (from June 2010).
I'm quite pleased that I found a local plot of land to plant the collection of fruit trees as a traditional orchard.
Enough time has passed to get a feel for the cycle of nature, minor mistakes erased and the introduced trees established without compromising the grassland and wildlife.
Monday, 20 May 2013
May 2013
Another month quickly passing...
The RHS Malvern Garden Show gave an opportunity to acquire a few more trees for the orchard. From Mr. D'Arcy's Heritage Fruit Trees (Lincolnshire):
Quince, Isfahan
Apple, Grenadine (American variety, red fleshed)
Plum, Blaisden Red
The event seemed a little quiet compared to a couple of years ago... (preferable to RHS Tatton and Hampton Court). Also picked up a couple of Blueberry bushes, herbs and some watering / irrigation sundries and hand-tools, as well as viewing some interesting and inspiring displays and stalls.
Onwards further south and some perry pears to select from Bernwode Fruit trees.
Sharp's academic
Hellens Early
Also a crab apple (Malus sylvestris), of old provenance grafted onto M111.
Back to the field, a kindly donation of a couple of tonnes of well-rotted horse muck (and loaded too), from just over the border.
Quite a bit of local chat, interest and engagement with a wide mix of locals and walkers.
The pear trees were first in blossom this year, although the quince were first in full leaf, but only just forming flower buds now. Most of the apples have formed leaves and flower buds and some in blossom.
The walnuts have only just come into leaf and the mulberries are only just now breaking bud.
The hedges (including the gaps filled over winter) are all pleasantly green.
Monday, 22 April 2013
Mixed weather with quite a bit of snow at the start of the month, I was expecting a river flood, but the extreme snow in North Wales thawed so slowly that it wasn't a concern. In fact the ground has taken on its spring dryness and now the fruit trees are finally coming to life a couple of weeks later than last year, some additional watering may be necessary (hopefully Dalefoot Composts sheepwool & bracken mix will keep things going.
A few anti-social things going on in the village - some feral teenagers causing damage getting mentioned in the Parish Council minutes and on the Cheshire Police Western Rural web-page.
A couple of neighbours mentioned some odd goings on. One morning I noticed a quantity of loose hay & straw across the access track - turns out someone was trying to mask fly-tipping of other debris out of the back of a horse-box trailer, but got spotted and despite attempts to obscure their registration plates an incident was able to be recorded.
A couple more pear trees added to the orchard, varieties Uvedale St. Germain and Maxstoke Nibbler from Bernwode Fruit Trees - a slower than normal task due to a hiatus hernia making digging problematic.
The grass and herbage is starting to go well after a wet previous twelve months, quite a bit of meadowsweet through too, so hopefully some interesting brewing options from it this year.
Friday, 29 March 2013
Lots of stuff coming out of winter stasis at the field though.
The hedges are in bud, as are a few of the orchard trees (pears mainly, so I suspect further frosts will wipe out this years fruit potential).
In the base of the hedges, quite a bit of green undergrowth, including a reasonable amount of wood anemones.
In the grass, quite a bit of meadowsweet starting, as well as buttercups and celandines.
An early light harrowing during a rare dry spell lifted a bit of thatch from last years disjointed mowing due to 2012 being so wet.
Lots of robins in the hedgerow, buzzards occasionally above as well as another kestrel type bird of prey (possibly larger).
A cormorant is along the river by the castle quite often. Also woodpeckers and kingfishers in the ditch along the trackway.
One of the barn owls is noticeable early evenings.
A few visitors dropping by: locals, landowners, local history society and the Environment Agency (pleasant chatting all around) - a few unwelcome ones included 5 persons arrested by Cheshire Police for theft, after suspicious vehicle activity in the lane above. Also a few feral teenagers nearby causing a bit of nuisance and vandalism.
A sunny morning and hopefully a proper start to spring now the snow is melting...
Monday, 18 February 2013
February: A quieter than anticipated few weeks
Although the level wasn't too extreme
Unfortunately a dead brown badger on the main road near by.
Lots of water-fowl on the surrounding flood-plain fields.
Managed a brief stroll around to check for debris and damage and to check the mature trees. This week has seen a few days with sunshine and no rain, but I've been unable to take advantage, being laid up with a particularly aggressive turn in the Crohn's Disease I got diagnosed a few years back (hence my enthusiasm for decent, natural local food and produce).
Only really managed a bit of seed and cutting preparation at home with respect to plans for 2013.
In between planned and unplanned visits to hospital and writhing around in agony, I've been browsing through Twitter at what other like minded folk are up to around now and what their ground conditions are like (surely things will dry up a bit one day)?
Quite looking forward to getting a few native seeds in the patched up bits of hedge, including some extra hops (a few growing wild). It'll be interesting to see how well the meadowsweet has proliferated after deliberately leaving the flowers to seed (I'm suspicious I might have missed opportunity with moist ground conditions to run a cambridge roll over to see if that helps germination of extra patches).
Considering I spend 2 weeks of time away with my proper job, I'd underestimated how much of an outdoorsy type I am when stuck inside with no choice...
Monday, 4 February 2013
A few things pottered about with at home:
Owl boxes, plants for transplanting into the field when ground conditions are better and greenhouse preparations. A few more heritage variety apple pips germinated in a propagator, giving the slight chance of a credible hybrid variety or more likely some mildly interesting crab apples.
A few more interesting books acquired and read, or partly read with respect to the vast tome of J.C. Louden's Encyclopaedia of plants from the mid 1800s.
Hopefully the weather for February and the months ahead will be more conducive to horticultural activities, grassland management, tree-planting and wildflower and wildlife proliferation...
Friday, 11 January 2013
looking ahead
On Wednesday evening I went to the Nantwich Walled Garden AGM.
A project that has been running a few years now to highlight awareness of forgotten, but historically significant remains of a walled garden under threat from development.
This Saturday I'm off to another walled garden for an orchard wassail near Bristol at The Ethicurean.
Back at home, I await the arrival of a few orders:
Owl & wildlife boxes
5 European olive plants
3 Cornish tea plants
The time of year to be getting on with a few maintenance and servicing jobs of tools and equipment back at home and to go over the stock of stuff for transplanting down to the field...
Tuesday, 1 January 2013
Back at 'warning' status and probably over a 1 metre of water on the field...
I'm away with other work (my full-time job), but doubt the land will be dry for much soon.
The last couple of days nearer home ended up with a quick evening pint in The Bull at Shocklach and some interesting talk about historic landscape features near by.
Meanwhile I have bought a print of the old bridge at Farndon - not as topographically inaccurate as the comment suggests.
I'm wondering if the young tree by the people is actually the now old hollow oak at the end of the board-walk / bottom of Meadow Lane?
I think the artist may have sat on the sandstone outcrop in the field to the south-west of Appleby's Brook.
From http://www.theowlbox.co.uk/ I've ordered owl and dormouse boxes.
Time to review the to-do list and plant list for the year ahead...
Sunday, 9 December 2012
I'm not a big fan of putting signs up here and there, but hopefully one on the access track might put off a few of the unwelcome visitors:
Reasonably handy timing, as it looks like fly-tippers are active again in the area. A load of household rubbish / building debris has been dumped across the access to the allotments just over the border...
Not much work done on the land due to the weather and wet ground, although the last couple of days have been pleasant enough to prepare for replanting a gap in the south hedge (and clearing the remains of an old ditch).
Mainly hawthorn to go in, but with random blackthorn and the odd dog-rose, as well as a reasonable sized oak salvaged from the neighbour.
The grass isn't looking too bad, although i'm sure the wet year and extra flooding have exacerbated historical contours.
Also a different mower to try behind the small tractor, particularly for around the orchard trees.
Wednesday, 14 November 2012
catch up
(I post a few things on Twitter @meadowcopse although not always just on my meadow and orchard musings).
Since August, some extra distractions with extra time spent in relation to my proper job (not the most environmentally sensitive occupation) and a few social events, excursions and notably for 2012 interruptions due to rain.
Back to the field, trying to manage the grassland, particularly around the orchard trees in the wet weather proved problematic - particularly with an inundation from the River Dee at the end of September.
Again this year I've left a proliferation of meadowsweet in the open grass area to go to seed.
A noticeable quantity of voles were nesting, but also several owls locally and a fox.
I do wonder how wildlife survives and recovers after flooding? The plot is in a floodplain, but hedgerow and grassland wildlife is noticeable, although I have spotted a couple of drowned moles.
A modest crop of cider apples have gone off for a trial brew, It will be interesting to see how the larger transplanted trees perform next year.
A start on filling the gaps in the hedgerow with hawthorn, some blackthorn, dog roses and an occasional oak and ash. The latter are from my own local seedlings, although the Chalara fraxinea problem has some sobering implications on plant movements we take for granted in a horticultural context.
A couple of signs of minor anti-social activities along the access track, but otherwise quiet probably due to wet weather and poor ground conditions.
Still a few gaps in local history to fill between the Chancery Deeds from 1150-1450, the estate enclosures map of the 1700s and tithe map of the 1800s. At least one of the boundaries is 400+ years and a marker stone from between a corner tree roots was rather heavily hauled to Chester Grosvenor Museum for a look over.
Over winter a couple of projects to get on with, including a planting backlog of a few more heritage variety fruit trees.
Trips out and about have included walks in The Peak District, Wharfedale, Witney Wood Fair in Oxfordshire, Bristol, Derbyshire - interesting landscapes, historic houses and fine food and drink along the way.
Saturday, 25 August 2012
Work, weather and other commitments have reduced my recent time down at the field. The rain has meant the grass and other herbage has grown to the point where it needs some prompt management since the last tractor cut in May.
Too late and too far gone to make hay, any length has layered with the rain and a return of extra buttercups has seen a proliferation of black mould underneath.
There looks to be a proliferation of voles and a few field mice. (Regardless of the grass acreage, I try to keep a 2 metre circle clear around each of the orchard trees.
The leaves on these here and there have moisture related fine moulds / mildew and rusts, otherwise a reasonable quantity of good new leaf growth.
The underpass by the bypass next to the field got its first bit of significant graffiti since I repainted it over a year ago, application with a scourer and a bit of petrol has got most of it away - just needs a light wash over with a bit more masonry paint. (I wouldn't mind so much if there was any hint of artistic talent, skill or wit).
Some archaeology work has been going on at the castle the other side of the river, but back on the English side, some geophysical field survey work. (For my own interests, I've been looking back at yet more ancient deeds from the National Archives web portal.
Late the other evening I could hear owls and foxes very close. Ended up working quite late with the Austrian scythe - excellent for sorting the grass where the tractor topper would fail and even the Allen Scythe struggle a bit.over
Thursday, 26 July 2012
juggling time
Unpredictable and often intense or continuous rain has left me behind on a few outdoor tasks at home and at the field.
The grass (and weeds) have grown a fair bit and the longer grass has layered a bit with all the rain.
I took some time out for visits here and there, noseying through relatively local landscapes.
The National Vegetation Classification grassland study day locally was excellent. I'll definitely be looking at more courses - handy being less than a couple of miles from my plot too.
An independent survey carried out on the orchard, a few more tasks to carry out correcting and protecting whilst things are still relatively young. (A few more apples on the trees than I would have liked so early in their life-span, I'm sure I nipped more buds out).
A decent book picked up after coffee & cake in Oswestry - A Northern Marches Pomonia.
Whilst over that way, a visit to some woodland I helped replant and look after.
The Austrian scythe is excellent, I'm really pleased with it and it has proved quite useful at the field.
A weekend away at The Secret Garden Party Festival - not much gardening (initially a lot of rain on the Thursday), but quite a scenic and interesting setting and a good lecture on alternative modern farming in one of the fringe tents.
Back at the field and it has been intensely sunny for a few days. Some time spent clearing vegetation from around the fruit trees, ther looks to have been quite a bit of vole activity.
At home some more of the tree stocks potted on and a minor bit of machinery and implement tidying and maintenance.
Next week another big mow if we have a few sunny days on the run...
Saturday, 7 July 2012
time marches on
Uncle gave the field a look over, certainly increasing grass growth and a bit damp. The trees with apples on seem to be doing well.
Timing and my work rota means I haven't been able to visit many shows this year.
The weather will dictate what I do for the rest of June outdoors.
Wednesday, 4 July 2012
Forestry Panel Report
The 'Save Our Woods Campaign' has also published a response...
On Twitter and in the media, at least one NGO The Woodlands Trust, has been quick to comment at the report publication.
It is a shame that NGOs were reluctant to comment at the proposed forest estate sell-off until the public disquiet had reached a noticeable critical mass.
Some have speculated a general silence at the time on the issue by major conservation organisations was because of an interest in carve-up opportunities.
It will be early 2013 before (if) the Government act on what are at present recommendations in the report.
I have singled out The Woodland Trust above, as I'm seriously considering my membership. Their inertia regarding a stance on the proposed sell-off and more recently their corporate sponsors.
These include Ikea and Forest Holidays.
Controversial revelations suggest Ikea's timber extraction business has compromised swathes of former USSR forest in an unsustainable manner.
Forest Holidays (this years corporate sponsors of the Woodland Trust) have a controversial planning application for holiday homes in Delamere Forest here in Cheshire.
Working full-time in the oil & gas industry, I must consider all this from a pot and black kettle scenario with respect to looking after my own 2 acre plot with conservation leanings... One thing is certain, money doesn't grow on trees, so I understand the need of an organisation for fund-raising above just membership subscriptions. Alternative funding shouldn't compromise principles though.
Another swathe of public estate that changed this week (almost un-noticed in various media) is the former British Waterways which has become the Canal & River Trust.
There have been various proposals to sell off and fragment the canal network since it's nationalisation and commercial / industrial decline.
In recent years it has seen a boom in leisure business and like the Forestry Commission more than broke even in it's entirety. I cynically wonder what will happen to potential development land along Britain's canals and properties which at present endow the canal network in a financial level of sustainability?
Closer to home (or at least the plot), there are proposals for a 1 giga-Watt gas power-station on the Wrexham Industrial Estate.
The first I had heard of it, trying not to be too N.I.M.B.Y.istic, I couldn't help but look if large gas-lines or power-lines were going to plough across my field.
The east side of the Industrial Estate around Ridley Wood / Bowling Bank might end up with some large gas-main excavations.
Tuesday, 3 July 2012
work and weather
Back at home, the rain continues and the grass continues to grow. At least the River Dee level remains sensible.
There seems to be a small rural crime wave.
From Cheshire Police Western Rural web pages:
Friesian cows stolen
Tractor thefts
Also, actor Ricky Tomlinson's caravan stolen - this from just up the river from the meadow.
A little more background research on some of the more obscure fruit trees I've planted and some revision through the old established books of J.C. Loudon.
Wednesday, 27 June 2012
Tuesday, 26 June 2012
From a very windy wild-camp in The Peak District, I watched the summer solstice sunrise; from Pym Chair above the valley of Thursbitch, also the title of a novel by Cheshire author Alan Garner.
A scenic early morning drive south in less than mid-summer weather and a fine full breakfast at Heyford Wharf alongside the Oxfordshire Canal. Not much spare time to drop into the historic gardens at Rousham this time, but across to Bicester and Bernwode Fruit Trees.
A pair of interesting pear trees and an apple tree that is red throughout (stem, leaves, apples, juice...)
Next stop in progressively wetter weather, Pangbourne.
Edulis Nursery and despite their plant hunting, two specific forms of native Sorbus domestica acquired.
Onwards south of Newbury and through Andover and ironically passing Stonehenge on the longest day, into Devon.
After weeks of rain, everywhere was rather wet. Another scenic setting for a wild camp then an easy day in Devon, stopping by Thornhayes Nursery for yet more native Sorbus trees.
Having experimented with a traditional English scythe back at the meadow, a drop in at The Scythe Shop for a quick well informed practical session and chat regarding the use of an Austrian scythe. I've acquired one for grassland management...
A pleasant evening meal in Exeter and a quick look at the Cathedral frontage which is about to have its first phase of new landscaping.
Friday night saw camp being set up at Rackenford at The Bulworthy Project in their woodland. A relaxed and well presented charcoal course from sustainable wood on their site on the Saturday and a pleasant evening before shutting down the kiln on the Sunday morning.
Further forays across Devon on the Sunday, including a 6 mile Lyme Regis to Seaton coastal walk in sunny weather, then a steady drive north to home with a stop off at Salisbury for food.
Back at the field, I must be one of the few folk in England happy with the weather (although recent river levels of The Dee at Farndon were almost at risk of flooding).
Last Novembers large transplanted cider apple trees would have been a worry if things were dry. An impressive amount of lush leaf an new stem growth on all the orchard trees.
A pleasant chat with a few neighbours, further discussions with the Holt Local History Society and the landscape on the Farndon side in its wider context with respect to the near by castle.
Interestingly a metal detectorist has been seen around the fields (and unconnected with organised surveys of the area), he seemed a bit 'vague' about which field(s) he had permission to dig in.
Back at home I've been going through the stock of fruit trees and native broadleaf trees to transplant at the next opportunity, the remainder of the year will be quite busy.
Wednesday, 6 June 2012
shopping spree
A quick bit of further research before bed-time on Sorbus trees...
I'm interested because of the Sorbopyrus inter-generic hybrid I have as an unusual fruit tree in the orchard. I've since found mention of Sorbo-Aronia hybrids and looked at getting a couple of Aronia (choke berry) bushes out of interest.
Conveniently, Edulis Nursery near Reading have:
Aronia melanocarpa 'Hugin' and Aronoa prunifolia 'Viking' as well as two named forms of the Sorbus domestica - 'pomifera' and 'pyrifera'
Sorbus Domestica has an interesting 'localised' history as The Old Sorb Tree as well as interesting brews (cormier, a cider like drink) made from the berries (more precisely 'pomes') and recently medicinal research regarding diabetes control.
From Foyles Bookshop online, I've ordered Whitebeams, Rowans and Service Trees of Britain and Ireland: A Monograph of British and Irish Sorbus L.
This will hopefully consolidate what I've read from various .pdf files and websites into a coherent overview.
Whilst I was in a tree-buying mood and foregoing a preferred 'local provenance' stance, I spotted a few more Sorbus domestica (as well as a few trees I was after for the field corners and hedges) as cell-grown young trees from Planfor:
10x Prunus avium 30/40cm
5x Sambucus nigra
2x Sambucus racemosa (red berried elderberry)
1x Sorbus intermedia
1x Sorbus aria
10x Prunus spinosa
2x Sorbus domestica
A return down south at the end of the month conveniently puts me near Reading for the trees from Edulis Nursery, so another visit to Bernwode Fruit Trees whilst north of Oxford will take the orchard area to near maximum capacity with:
Apple, Joanating (early fruit)
Pear, Maxstoke Nibbler (small fruits all ripen and drop around the same time)
Pear, Uvedale St Germain (rather large fruit)
Cherry, Nimble Dick (historic variety)
Whilst down south, a weekend towards the end of June using a kiln to make charcoal at The Bulworthy Project, Devon.
If anybody down there has a legitimately spare Sorbus devoniensis sapling I'd be rather interested...
Sunday, 27 May 2012
More trees and mowing
A mixed few weeks for weather and events.
The last few days has seen the more positive side of people out and about around the fields who are genuinely interested and care about the outdoors and countryside, compared to the ignorance and irresponsible actions of a few. The neighbour in the field to the north confirmed that the fence damage they suffered leading to the horse fatality was deliberate, blatant and by someone determined to remove the section of fencing.
I took advantage of the rain and moist ground conditions in my first full week off work to transplant more young native trees from pots into the field corners.
After a brief spell walking in Snowdonia, a turn in the weather to intense sunshine.
I also gave the Green Fair at Whittington Castle a look in, always an interesting calendar of events.
A few nights with the tent and dining al-fresco back at the field.
Out with the tractor and mower to cut about 2/3rds of the field area - particularly the orchard area, which seems to carry more general weeds in the grass.
The remaining 1/3rd seems to have better grass density and a lot of Meadowsweet which I have useful plans for.
Next year I hope to progress to proper hay-making...
This last weekend I travelled south again, initially to Bernwode Fruit Trees and picked up:
A historically interesting Medlar 'Senlac' which has suggested origins from the area around King Harold and Hastings.
A Quince, Little Ickford Pineapple.
A Plum, Manaccan (Traditional Cornish variety) on rootstock VVA-1.
An Apple, Tydeman's Early Worcester on rootstock MM111.
Just a case of transplanting and adding to the orchard layout plan
Onwards for a relaxed lunch by the Oxfordshire Canal at Heyford Wharf, then a couple of hours in the historic gardens at Rousham.
From Oxfordshire, an overnight stop at Salisbury and then a quick look at a managed habitat on Pepperbox Hill - always interesting to see other projects...
A relatively new independent wine merchant in Salisbury had some interesting ciders and a Kingston Black brandy type blend.
Back home and a week without rain at the field, so out with the water bowser to give each of the fruit trees and recently transplanted saplings a few gallons before returning to work.
Reassuringly, after last year's safety related hedgerow tree-work - one of the more ambitious re-pollarding attempts has signs of regrowth.
Most of the apple trees are coming to the end of their blossom and have developed fruitlets, nothing significant on the plums, but suddenly almost everything has burst into leaf including the walnuts and mulberry trees.
Friday, 18 May 2012
A post of mixed thoughts
Almost an extra week away with work and a minor river innundation seeped away, leaving the ground moist for the trees and vegetation just as they needed it.
A hurried 'rescue' of a number of willow trees from a local redundant filter-bed that has an impending appointment with a JCB for clearing out. These have gone in a mixed planting scheme of native broadleaf trees in a couple of field corners.
The grass has grown somewhat over the last few weeks, but so have a multitude of dandelions and buttercups. A noticeable increase in Cuckoo-flowers in both the open grass as well as field margins.
The orchard trees have all had an extra strim of the grass in a 2 metre radius and most stuff now in leaf bud if not already bearing blossom.
The hedges where cut back have noticeable clusters of new growth, as well as established hawthorn and dog-roses doing well.
A couple more trackway trees became uprooted with the increased water levels.
Annoyingly, another scrambler bike has been to the edge of one boundary in the neighbour's field as well as damage / vandalism to an adjoining fence - this has been a previous problem with teenagers thinking they are out of the way and wayward walkers roaming away from designated and clear paths.
This has since led to a fatal accident to livestock, due to the careless unthoughtful actions of whoever decided the fence was in their way!
Saturday, 5 May 2012
onwards through springtime
A little surprised that the three 'sale' fruit tree plants from T&M had two packaged as bare-root with a sprinkling of compost, fortunately Father has intercepted them into his care and with rumours of grapes already formed on the vine...
Importantly, the River Dee flood level has reduced.
Quite keen for a couple of relaxing days doing odd-jobs on the land (and probably some river debris / drift-wood to untangle). I'm anticipating minimal (if any) damage, and considering how dry the soil was a couple of weeks ago and it's structure I suspect at this time of year the innundation has done some good.
It'll be interesting to see what species are flourishing in the grass, although fewer dandelions would not be a disappointment.
Staring at an aerial view of the plot and it's surrounding land, I'm piecing together some ideas around the significance of the old track along the east boundary.
Observations by others regarding tree lines and boundaries and the nearby castle and older landscape features may link together nicely in a historical context.
Hopefully some overlap with the local history society may lead to further insights...
Monday, 23 April 2012
from a remote island...
Too late for bare-rooted trees now, but Thompson & Morgan had some fruit trees on offer in pots, so I got a Cherry 'Sunburst' and a Victoria Plum and a grape vine for novelty.
No need to worry about water for the trees in the field for now with the rain back at home. The River Dee levels up too for the first time since January's mild flooding.
Tuesday, 17 April 2012
A quiet week...
All of the pear trees are in blossom, the quince not far behind and the 30+ varieties of apple varying from just about to break open buds, through to leaves and blossom. The mulberries and walnuts are still without leaf but the hazels are progressing. The hawthorn and willow in the hedges are well into leaf, including those newly planted.
Quite a few things still to plant throughout the year ahead from stock in pots, including some stuff donated by friends from local seed. A couple of visitors during the week - always pleasant to have a chat about what's happing with the field and also generally locally in the village and just over the border on the Welsh side of the river.
One negative event was local teenagers up and down the footpath on a mini-motorbike and then riding around through a neighbour's crop and disturbing the horses in the next field, the police are apparently aware...
The 'copse' part in the name meadowcopse (a northern European term for pasture / woodland margin) has had some further planting on the narrow east shadier side of the field - this opens out onto a common hazel hedge, before the 6 metre grid planting of the orchard starting with nut trees...
A few more low spots in the grass levelled from last months lorry of topsoil and some work along the gateway planting up gaps with more hawthorns and reducing the spread of soil onto the access track, then reseeding bare soil with a native northern hedgerow wildflower seed mix. The first proper cut of the grass for the year, mainly as with last April to reduce dandelion seeds proliferating, partly backed up by root extraction. 1/2 an acre of grass is left long to the west side, for cutting later in the year (with patches of meadowsweet already breaking through as well as cuckoo flower in a couple of places).
Sunday, 8 April 2012
A busy week ahead
A few hours at the field Thursday and Friday, mainly levelling soil in a few low spots ready for more grass seed.
An over-proliferation of dandelions (fortunately a lot less than last year), have had an attack on two fronts: flowers and leaves sliced with the strimmer and where possible, extensive roots extracted with the Fiskars tool.
A couple of visitors, always a pleasure to share ideas and outlook.
Quite a bit of wildflower growth in the hedgerow coming through and a mystery flower to identify?
A busy week ahead with odd jobs and landscaping to progress.
Meanwhile, a weekend of Goth music in Sheffield before a return to things pastoral...
Just about finished reading a book 'Gardening - philosophy for everyone' some parts are a bit heavy, but more than a few essays overlap wilderness and cultivation with arcadian thoughts and imagery.
Saturday, 31 March 2012
Shopping list...
Rosa mollis / villosa (soft downy rose)
Rosa stylosa (short styled field rose)
Sorbopyrus auricularis 'bulbiformis'
Sorbopyrus auricularis 'malifolia'
(Shipova / Bolwyller pears)
I'm struggling to find specific suppliers?
(I have 1 Sorbopyrus auricularis from Cool Temperate Nurseries)
Tuesday, 27 March 2012
The orchard
(detail is 'work in progress')
The 'normal' job interrupts planting activities for now, but that also is suffering a few distractions.
Tuesday, 20 March 2012
Most of the lorry-load of topsoil now used for levelling a couple of low spots
|From Meadowcopse 2012
and for planting the last for now of the nut and fruit trees in a traditional orchard setting.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
A fine full moon and reasonable weather meant an opportunity to work quite late a few nights:
|From Meadowcopse 2012
Chestnuts, walnuts and a line of named variety and hedgerow hazels now form one edge of the orchard.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
A couple of willing helpers moved things on with the planting and preparations:
|From Meadowcopse 2012
The overhanging young willows along one boundary have been taken vertical.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
This is to get to the blocked ditch and to fix the fencing (and also re-seeding with a native hedgerow wild-flower and grass mix beneath.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
A few trees planted too.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
The 'copse' part towards the corner of the gateway boundary finally started, mainly with ash, but with a few oaks and others randomised in the mix. (The intention is to coppice in future years).
The east side of the field has had a new section of hedging put in along the side of the gate-way. Hawthorn with a dog-rose and some hedgerow plants.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
Quite a noticeable amount of growth with the grass and along the hedgerows - anemones noticeable in the south hedgerow.
|From Meadowcopse 2012
The almond tree is in full blossom:
|From Meadowcopse 2012
|From Meadowcopse 2012
Quite a bit of wildlife getting lively, lots of birds - the owls calling in the evenings, a woodpecker near by and small mammals in the hedgerows.
Various visitors over the last couple of weeks - welcome and otherwise.
Some interesting chat with regular and random walkers, but a bizarre situation last Saturday afternoon:
Three people, quite smartly dressed with a black & white terrier (a man and woman about 30 and another male about mid-twenties), walking down the access track, then lurking under the by-pass underpass for about 15 minutes and looking across now and then at me planting trees in the field...
They walked on into the field north of the bypass (not a public path, but often used between the riverside path and the trackway footpath). Something seemed 'odd' - I went to the other underpass along the edge of my field and the 30 year-old was just about to spray graffiti on the concrete structure. He tried to hide the can in his jacket pocket, a polite challenge and they went to move on - although the younger male protested "It's a public walkway!" (as if that made it OK and I pointed out that actually it wasn't).
Meanwhile, I've taken the damaged metal gate from the bottom of the access track for re-welding and repair and to securely refit as soon as possible.
More positively, further pleasant chat with locals and neighbours and a new private alllotment opened up on the Welsh side of the river - also swapped details with a few folk to communicate on suspicious activities and anti-social behaviour.

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Maui with kids under 8 - Feedback on my plan please!
Hello chowhounders! I have read several Maui threads from the past 4 years and also scanned some other recs from a moms' message board I frequent and would love feedback from more current experts.
First, some background. DH and I have 2 kids who will be 4 and 7 when we go to Maui in August 2013 (yes, I'm a Type A planner who likes to research early). I recognize things may change between now and then, but I'm excited to return to Maui. DH and I went to Maui 7 years ago before our eldest was born and we loved Hali'imaile General Store. Everything else was ok (Waterfront, Mama's, a plate lunch place in Kihei whose name I've forgotten but was next door to the condo we rented, ribs from Azeka's, which I think has since closed). We also did a wild goose chase hunting down malasadas as many places were closed during that December trip and ultimately found them at a tiny drive-in place tucked in some out-of-the-way area.
This time around, we have our girls, but I'm hoping if we do an early dinner (say right at opening) we can get away with bringing them to the fancier places. Plus, since lots of Maui tourists bring kids, I'm hoping I'll feel more comfortable with having them there than in a typical high-end restaurant near our home. The girls are well-behaved and eat a wide variety of foods (other than the younger one's peanut allergy). We don't need a kids' menu as they eat fish, too.
We're from SF so we have plenty of good ethnic food here so I'd prefer to focus on what Maui does best: local seafood, Asian fusion, and the classic plate lunch. Spam musubi always tastes better in Hawaii!
This is a short trip, so we have only 4 dinners, 4 breakfasts, and 4 lunches. I imagine we will want to eat in our condo at some meals, since eating out at every meal is a bit rich. We're staying in Wailea this time, so hopefully a nicer experience than the budget condo in Kihei was. We will have a rental car and we don't mind driving for good food.
So here's my list of potential prospects.
FANCY places:
- Plantation House (maybe breakfast or lunch instead of dinner because of my kids)
- Pacific 'O (can't tell if this is kid-friendly at all--maybe not?)
Other slightly expensive options that seem very kid-friendly from website research:
- Nick's Fish Market (the keiki menu link goes to the adult menu but the fact that the have one means kids won't be as uncomfortable)
- Haili'Maile General Store (we LOVED this last trip and I see a kids' menu, too)
- Monkeypod Kitchen
"local"/casual eats:
- either Gazebo or Kihei Caffe for breakfast. Latter will be closer to us, but Gazebo has had many rave reviews here for their mac nut pancakes and fried rice.
- Tasty Crust instead of Aloha Mix Plate. Some have panned Aloha Mix Plate, but others rave so I have both on the list still.
- Sam Sato's
- Da Kitchen (maybe on the way from the airport since we arrive around noon Hawaiian time and will only have had bad airline food)
- Star Noodle for the garlic noodles (my girls love noodles)
- Paia Fish Market (on the way to/from airport?)
- Ululani's Shave Ice (we missed this on our last trip and I only faintly recall Matsumoto's from North Shore 15+ years ago)
- Malasadas from Komoda (someone here panned Homemaid Bakery--any other recs?)
- Not sure yet if we want to use a meal on fish tacos, but Jawz and Coconut's Fish Tacos have received some recs
Produce to buy for snacking at our condo: avocados, apple bananas, fresh lychee, pink dragon fruit, mangoes, guavas, local oranges, Maui Gold pineapples (not sure if it's worth going to a farmer's market or just buying from closest roadside stand?)
Any and all recs are greatly appreciated! I haven't decided the order of the meals or time of day (e.g., breakfast/lunch/dinner) but I'm going to let the food dictate our schedule and find activities nearby once we figure out the restaurant itinerary.
Plantation House at Kapalua for breakfast is one of the best kept secrets, since Maui for breakfast can be nuts in wait time of over an hour... no wait, excellent food, views and reasonable too.
Gazebo is a must and bring the beach gear since this is one of my faves to swim...Mac nut pancakes are really good...lines move quick.
I would add Hula Grill for lunch or happy hour with feet in the sand oceanfront..
Sea House in Napili is a fave.
Kimos.in Lahaina for lunch or dinner.
General store is good and maybe Mama's for.lunch..pricey.
Jawz food truck at Makena beach or Maui Tacos.
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Awesome, thanks for your suggestions, Beach Chick. I didn't realize Gazebo was next to a good beach, as it seems a few people suggested to order it to go to bring back to a hotel/condo. Great idea! I wonder if DH can take the girls to play while I wait in line and then call him when we get a table or even as late as when our food arrives (if they don't require the whole party be there to be seated)?
I've read about a few places that offer happy hour, but hadn't looked at the actual specials until you mentioned it. This might be a great way to get a pre-dinner snack given the time difference (6 pm Hawaii time is actually bedtime for my girls and since it's a short trip I don't want to shift them too much!). Thanks for the tip. I hadn't added Hula Grill because I read some mixed reviews on it for lunch/dinner but happy hour is more budget-friendly! I could only find an Aloha Hour menu on their website that lists some drink specials but it's definitely worth adding to my list! I also found Sea House's Happy Hour and that menu looks great. Kimo's only listed drink specials and said to ask the server re: pupu specials. Do you know if they have a good happy hour?
Did you mean Mama's Fish House or Mama's BBQ? If the former, I've eaten there twice and found it lackluster given the high prices. I know it gets some love here, but I personally consider it a glorified tourist trap--worth going for the view but the food is only worth 1/2 the price in my opinion.
Not sure yet if we're up for fish tacos. We don't generally order them, even out here in CA, but I may consider it for a between-meals snack.
Thanks again!
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I've swam while others have waited in line..Gazebo is a great little gem.
Hula Grill is one of my faves for HH..mai tais and the calamari are excellent.
Dukes too for HH.
Mamas Fish House for lunch but pricey.
Outback has HH in the bar with some great deals and was kid friendly.
Have a great time and report back.
Go to Kihei Caffe for their cinnamon roll French toast, weekends only I think. Also very friendly service. Small, cozy, mom and pop feel.
There are 3 Ululani's branches now, Lahaina, Kahului, and Kihei, the Kihei one will be closest to you but you could also hit the Kahului one up on the way to or from the airport and Wailea.
Da Kitchen in Kihei has a smaller menu than the others. Keep an eye on their Facebook page for their rotating daily specials.
If you want amazing mangoes, go to Yee's Orchard (a roadside stand) and buy Golden Glow mangoes. Closed Mon and Fri. Only open 11-5. Easy to miss as it is literally a small hut at Kihei Road and Nohokai St. It is on the east side of the street.
I don't see Eskimo Candy in Kihei on your list for poke takeout. Closed weekends.
Aloha Mixed Plate has had decidedly mixed quality food when I have visited, but the setting is very pretty and family friendly. Did you know that they recently closed for a few weeks while revamping their menu and service? The reviews I have seen since reopening this month have not been positive. I plan to keep an eye on it and see if it's worth a try again when we go back in January. I am hopeful since I believe the chef of Star Noodle is supposed to be behind the makeover. Anyway, their happy hour starts at 2:00.
For a good happy hour in South Maui we love MonkeyPod. Apps are half price and their wonderful culinary cocktails are $8. Live music and family friendly too. Don't miss the MonkeyPod mai tai with lilikoi foam... perfect!
We also plan to try Coconuts Fish Cafe after hearing so many raves. They do have more than fish tacos.
Pacific'O is a place we always eat on Maui. I wouldn't hesitate to sit beach-side with your girls there, especially for lunch. We fell in love with it our first trip to Maui and it's not always quite as wonderful for us now, but still worth a stop. On our trip last year we did the O'o Farm Lunch Tour, at Pacific'O's chef James MacDonalds upcountry farm. Would your family enjoy trying those delicious Maui fruits and vegetables right where they're grown? We loved it.
And really, don't miss Ululani's! I thought shave ice was not worth eating until trying this... so good...get the li hing mui powder on top! Have fun planning!
Sam Sato's has great noodles, they'll do OK for kids as they have an american breakfast menu as well. They also have good homemade fruit turnovers. I also really enjoy breakfast at Longei's in Lahaina
Komoda's has very good cream (actually custard filled) puffs plus they have killer dinner rolls. Believe me you'll eat the bag before you reach your condo,
For a fun burger, Cheeseburger in Paradise in Lahina is good and Kimo's is a destination, have a piece of hula pie which one piece is enough to feed 4 people.
Some great places in Paia, there's a good fish taco place, forgot the name.
Haili'Maile General Store, one of Bev Gannon's places is excellent, a must. There are some good old school places in Wailuku for happy hour and reasonable prices.
Ululani's Shave Ice, yes a must.
I'm not a fan of Pacific O's but, that's just me.
re: cstr
I am always surprised when someone recommends Cheeseburger in Paradise. Ask any local, from the captain of your snorkel cruise to your surf instructor, what restaurant to avoid and the universal answer is Cheeseburger in Paradise. If you are in Lahaina and in the mood for a burger, try Kool Cats. Penne Pasta, also in Lahaina, is a good spot for pizza and pasta. It's also very kid friendly. Local Boyz, located just a block or so from Kool Cats, gets our vote for shave ice.
re: smiles33
It has been so long, that it's probably no longer relevant. Still, on our last visit there, and one before that, the food and service were very good. My wife wants to fit it back into the Maui rotation, if on the West Side.
P.S. Just found a link to my TR from our 2004 trip in the archives!
we just came back from Maui with our 6 and 8 year old (you can look for my separate trip report). I would second the idea of going to O'o farms (they are affiliated with/owned by?) the same people as Pacific O'o restaurant. My kids LOVED learning about the fruit and veggies and getting to pick their own for lunch. Our lunch prepared by Chef and eaten communally at large tables was delicious! Chef also brought my kids to feed the chickens afterwards which they enjoyed. Then you can drive down the street to the lavender farm and have the kids do the treasure hunt. it was a great day (with a stop at Kula farms for all kinds of nice fruit for the condo). Enjoy!
re: jacolis
A stop at upcountry Surfing Goat Dairy with the kids is fun too.
re: terijoy
Oh yes, I found them later and was so excited as my girls LOVE goat cheese. My husband has had to buy 2-3 tubs per week from Trader Joe's when they were in a "we're share a whole tub of crumbled goat cheese in one sitting" phase.
The sad thing is my husband is lactose-intolerant, so maybe I can take the girls on the 2 hour tour and send him to a driving range or something....
re: jacolis
Thanks so much for sharing! That's an awesome endorsement, since my kids will be 4 and 7 when we go and they love going to petting farms to feed the goats. I bet they'd get a kick to feed chickens (if they're lucky enough to be invited by the Chef like your kids).
We fly out in a few days so I wanted to update with the proposed itinerary and see if anyone has additional comments. We've decided we're going to try to keep the kids on PST (since it's a short trip and they have school when we return!), so early "dinners" will actually just be Happy Hour meals. We're staying in a condo so we can make our own breakfasts when they get up around 5 or 6 am Hawaii time. My plan is to hit Foodland Farms and Costco for breakfast stuff, poke, wine, and other snacks and Yee's Orchard for the famous Golden Glow mangoes.
1) Straight from the airport, we will head out to try Geste Shrimp Truck.
2) early "dinner" at Eskimo Candy
3) lunch at Star Noodle the next day (probably right when they open at 10:30 am)
4) Hang out in Lahaina and then "dinner" off Sea House's HH menu
4) "Breakfast" malasadas from Home Maid Bakery before going to the Maui Swap Meet (worth eating from the food trucks there?)
5) Lunch at Pacific 'O
6) Happy Hour at Monkeypod
7) 5 am breakfast to go from Kihei Caffe which I'll bring back to our condo
8) Lunch at Cuatro
9) HH at Amasia
10) last meal en route to airport at Tasty Crust (assuming we don't have any leftovers in the condo to finish up)
We looked at menus on-line and some places just didn't do it for us. For instance, Plantation House's breakfast didn't seem spectacular enough to drag the kids there and pay a premium, versus frying up linguica and eggs in the condo. Yet I did decide to squeeze in a trip to Kihei Caffe to try their cinnamon roll french toast. Plus it's open early and close to us, compared to Gazebo, which would be a trek and it's not open until later.
We loved Hailemaile last time, but the lunch menu doesn't look appealing and we don't plan to keep the kids up late to go all the way out there for dinner. Sigh. On another trip perhaps?
Finally, we definitely plan to get shaved ice from Ululani's and ice cream from Lappert's.
Any and all feedback would be welcomed! I'll definitely be back to post a TR afterward.
re: smiles33
The Eskimo Candy poke is awesome and way better than Foodland's. Bring a cooler and take some home.
Kihei Caffe has cinnamon roll french toast only when they have leftover cinnamon rolls, so it's a bit hit or miss as to whether they'll have it in a certain day. I only found this out on our last trip.
re: kathryn
Yeah, I'm super excited to try lots of poke while we're there. I think the Foodland run is mainly to get milk/eggs. I'm still debating whether it's worth going to Costco, as my kids can't finish Costco-size portions of milk and eggs. But DH and I can drink quite a bit...
I didn't realize Kihei Caffee only had that when there are leftovers. I thought it was a weekend treat so I had planned to go on the weekend....I will have to think about if it's worth the trek for a regular breakfast!
re: smiles33
When purchasing poke from a supermarket, pay attention to whether or not it's made from previously frozen fish or not. You can also tell by the price. Fresh poke will be much more expensive. I don't believe Eskimo Candy does it from previously frozen fish.
You could also call ahead and ask if Kihei Caffe has the cinnamon roll french toast that day.
re: smiles33
I didn't find the malasadas at Home Maid Bakery to be worthwile at all. I would suggest skipping it.
re: killersmile
Yes, I've seen a few opinions that their malasadas are lackluster, but Komoda's is a trek when we aren't planning on heading Upcountry. Can't do the Haleakala trek this trip due to DH's injury. I guess if we have time to go to Surfing Goat dairy, we could head into town to try Komoda's but I imagine they sell out early and wouldn't have much left for a mid-afternoon visit.
Last trip 9 years ago, we ended up getting malasadas from Treats and Sweets (at least they fried them up after we ordered them!). Fingers crossed the Home Maid ones are at least decent if we get them hot off the fryer at 7 am!
re: smiles33
You should go to Alii Kula Lavender Farm. They offer tours but you can walk around on your own as well. Gorgeous views. They have 33 types of lavender. You can sit on their porch and order scones, lemonade, tea and have a really nice tranquil time. I love their Lavender Citrus Hand Soap (liquid) I have it in all of my bathrooms. It is just beautiful there and you can also see the goat farm too! I love their cheese!
We're back! Here's what we ultimately ended up doing:
- We went straight to Geste Shrimp Truck for lunch after landing at the airport. It was good, but not something I would go out of my way for to get again. We had to wait 15 minutes and the only place to sit was a grassy knoll near a huge pile of garbage.
- Our first "dinner" was at Monkeypod Kitchen in Wailea. We stayed on California time so it was actually closer to 3 pm and we got to take advantage of great Happy Hour specials, including a margherita pizza for the girls, jalapeno poppers and a ½ butternut squash and ½ mushroom pizza for me, and the mixed raw bar plate and a fresh fish sandwich for my husband. Had a couple of cocktails, too!
- All breakfasts were cooked in our condo (linguica, eggs, and potatoes) so our next meal out was "lunch" at 10:30 am right when they opened at Star Noodle in Lahaina. We ordered steamed pork buns (our favorite), garlic noodles, Filipino "bacon and eggs" (my favorite), pork udon for the girls, roasted mushrooms and miso salmon for my husband (he said they were only ok), scallop shots (a bit overly salty dashi but otherwise delicious), and malasadas with chocolate dipping sauce (obviously, the girls' favorite!)
- we picked up two orders of shave ice (Keiki Rainbow flavors of Cherry, Banana and Blue Raspberry with macadamia nut ice cream at the bottom) from Ulalani's in Lahaina for the girls to enjoy on the drive back to Wailea (this was AFTER they had the trio of mini malasadas on sticks!)
- I picked up dinner to go from Eskimo Candy, so the adults had poke bowls and coconut shrimp (best poke and shrimp of the whole trip!) while the girls ate leftover garlic noodles with Filipino bacon and eggs. I wish they were open on weekends, as we definitely would have headed back again! As it was, we had to be at the airport before 10:30 so we didn't get to go back to buy some for the plane!
- We stopped at Home Maid bakery for hot malasadas before going to the Maui Swap Meet. The kids and my husband liked them. I thought they were a bit too doughy.
- Instead of Pacific O, we decided to go more casual. Thus, we had an early lunch at Sea House in Napili, where I had fish tacos, my husband had seared ahi, and the kids ordered off the keiki menu (one got pasta with marinara sauce and the other had the fish-shaped cheese pizza). Delicious food--not necessarily worth the drive from Wailea, but the best food I've had a restaurant with such a gorgeous view. Usually, I'm deeply suspicious of any restaurant with such obvious tourist appeal!
- We ate leftovers for dinner while my husband watched a college football game.
- On Sunday we were going to try Kihei Caffe but we had too much linguica left so we just ate at the condo for breakfast. After the beach, we then headed to Monkeypod Kitchen again for lunch, since it was just minutes away from us and open early. Also, I discovered that Cuatro doesn't serve lunch! We started with poke tacos for the appetizer (decent but not as good as the raw bar mixed plate), and then waited for over 30 minutes for something else to arrive....The meal was so slow that they comp'ed us our entrees. My husband had the Ahi Tuna Melt (delicious!) and I had the macadamia nut and panko-crusted mahi mahi (surprisingly moist, as I usually find mahi mahi dry). The girls each got elbow macaroni with marinara sauce.
- Then an early dinner/happy hour at Ko at the Fairmont Kea Lani. This was an unusual last minute replacement as I failed to realize that Amasia didn't start its HH until 5 pm, which was our 4 year old's bedtime! Since it was our last night, we started off with the Double Pineapple Fusion cocktails, which we found too fruity so we ordered Caipiroskas but the waiter brought us Kea Lani Kickers (ginger flavored cocktail) at first so he comp'ed those and then brought the Caiprioskas (which were delicious and the best of the 3). Needless to say, that was quite a bit of alcohol (albeit watered-down resort cocktails!). We ordered lumpia, Korean style spicy chicken (the best of the options, which my eldest daughter loved), Tangled Tiger prawns, and spicy tuna bowl. Their keiki menu had complimentary entrees for kids under 5. Portions were huge, as both girls had spaghetti with meatballs and fresh fruit and ended up eating it again the next day for lunch. Both girls marveled at the beautiful setting, the pools, the view, etc.
- Our last day in the condo we just ate leftovers before heading off to the airport.
Thank you all for your great advice! We were so lucky to have hit some real standout restaurants.
re: smiles33
Thanks for reporting back!
re: smiles33
Smiles, sounds like you had a wonderful trip! I love to do the happy hour for dinner, and we don't even have young kids. But we only seem to need two meals a day when we are on Maui anyway. If we don't make a meal of small plates we usually order a pupus and split an entrée. The restaurants almost always plate it up separately for us at no extra charge, often with what seems like extra sides.
I am wondering if Star Noodle has gone downhill at all since chef Sheldon Simeon has left. Was this your first time there? Has anyone else eaten there both during and after his time?
KO sounds very good. It will have to go on our list for next trip.
Thanks for sharing your trip!
re: smiles33
Thanks for reporting back. We're planning a 2 week trip to Wailea in early November with our 2 and 5 year olds. We always include a trip to Ko in our family vacation because the food is awesome and the service for children is top-notch. We've also had good meals at Joe's Bar and Grill (in the tennis club) and Mala in the Marriott which both seem quite family friendly. Our last day we always have brunch at Longhi's in the Shops. I've added the Monkey Pod to our list this year and sounds like the Happy Hour is worth shooting for.
Any other recommendations for places to try in the area, with or without the little ones?
re: islandgirl
Did you scroll up and read through the other posts? Have you been to Kihei Caffe, Ululani's, Eskimo Candy?
Amasia is fairly new, and also the Andaz Hotel just opened in Wailea. Morimoto Maui is supposed to be opening soon in the Andaz.


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Pronunciación: /ˈbɒksi /
Definición de boxy en inglés:
adjetivo (boxier, boxiest)
1Squarish in shape: a boxy jacket
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- For men, the messenger bag is still in, but this season it looks more 'grown up' in leather, with a boxy shape.
- The Saab is perhaps the more 'traditional' looking of the two with a higher roofline and slightly more boxy shape.
- Toyota and Honda are placing their bets on highly utilitarian boxy shapes oriented towards outdoor recreation.
1.1(Of a room or space) cramped: the diagonal floor pattern makes the room seem less boxy
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- After eating, Jhudora guided Matt to his bedroom, a small boxy room with a closet.
- Once a boxy room with a tiny adjoining cloakroom, it has been transformed into a contemporary double bedroom with sleeping platform and luxurious en-suite wet room.
- These rooms are more boxy and spartan, but with a picture window onto the rocks and sea, you're drawn to the external rather than the internal vista.
1.2(Of recorded sound) restricted in tone: speakers when poorly designed can sound boxy and boomy
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- The remastering improves the original album's boxy sound; 'Spring Rain' finally swaggers instead of plods, as it always should have.
- My only qualm on this album is the rather boxy sound of this overture, but this is a minor misgiving when compared to the joys on offer.
- They are a great for apartments but they usually have a boxy sound.
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