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Back in January 2011, we told you about a lawsuit filed against the Denver police by the Martinez family, members of a Mexican band who say cops broke into their home and beat them by mistake. More than three years later, a jury has awarded them $1.8 million -- but not for excessive force. Details b ... More >>
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One year after his death, Alonzo Ashley's family has filed a lawsuit on his behalf in U.S. District Court. A year ago this month, Ashley died of a heart attack and respiratory arrest after a skirmish at the Denver Zoo in which Denver Police officers contact-tased him. Fronted by his mother, Gail Wat ... More >>
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Jared Lunn.The firing of two Denver cops over the Michael DeHerrera beating. The sacking of two more officers for billy-clubbing and macing at the Denver Diner. The $795,000 payout to brutality victim Alexander Landau. The bad PR keeps coming for the Denver Police Department. The latest? Two ... More >>
As we reported yesterday, Manager of Safety Charley Garcia has sacked Denver cops Ricky Nixon and Kevin Devine over allegedly billy-clubbing women to the ground and macing one of them in a July 2009 incident at the Denver Diner. Now it's been confirmed that one of the cops, Ricky Nixon, was a ... More >>
Marvin Booker.This morning, a team led by attorney Darold Killmer will file a lawsuit on view below in relation to Marvin Booker, who died in Denver jail July 9 after being put in a sleeper hold and Tased. But Killmer, who'll be center-stage during an 11 a.m. press conference about the case, ... More >>
Vicki Ferrari.Update: Last week, a jury sided with Vicki Ferrari, a Denver cop and former American Gladiators contestant in a lawsuit charging her with excessive force in relation to an interaction with David Kraus, manager of a local Grease Monkey, back in 2007. On Friday, we heard from Krau ... More >>
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Vicki Ferrari.Last September, we told you about a police brutality lawsuit targeting Denver Police officer Abbe Dorn, a former American Gladiator contender. Now, Vicki Ferrari -- a Dorn pal who's also a Denver cop and onetime American Gladiator contestant -- is on the cusp of a trial in a sui ... More >>
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Are Denver cops trigger-happy for minorities? A video game might hold the answer.


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by Giuseppe Nelva on June 17, 2014 1:13 PM 332 @abriael
The introduction of Direct X 12 has caused quite a stir in the community, especially due to how little we know on how much the new API will actually help the Xbox One. Many developers expressed their opinion, with some going as far as making unrealistic statements about doubling the efficiency of the console's GPU, and others holding on more conservative and realistic stances.
Microsoft's Xbox division head honcho Phil Spencer gave a quite realistic assessment of what we can expect today on Twitter, explaining that the new API won't bring a "massive change," but will help:
It will help developers on XBOX One. It's not going to be a massive change but will unlock more capability for devs.
Interestingly, Spencer also explained what he expects from his first party studios as opposed to third party ones:
I don't think it's about a specific genre, more about creating exclusive franchises, taking some risks 3rd parties might not take.
Thing I ask 1st party studios is why is this a 1st party game, what tech, design or creative difference are we trying to land.
Talking about third party studios, Spencer also mentioned that he "really likes" Scalebound, the Xbox One exclusive Hideki Kamiya and Platinum Games are developing in collaboration with Microsoft.
Personally, I find quite refreshing that Spencer isn't overpromising on what DirectX 12 will deliver, especially considering that some really went overboard with their predictions, presenting scenarios that are simply unrealistic under every point of view.
It's also interesting to see him talk about taking risks with first party studios, even more so if we look at the fact that nowadays the industry tends to shy more and more away from making risky design decisions, that are often left to indies.
At least he's being honest about it, better than some spin I suppose.
Honesty is the only way xbox is going to weather this storm.
Anyone with half a brain already knew this. The only ones who thought it was going to work miracles and unlock hidden treasures were fanboys and the cult following MisterX. It's also common sense that 1st parties will take advantage of it more-so than 3rd parties. That's always the case, as their only focus is 1 platform/architecture.
I'm glad Phil has put those unrealistic expectations to bed…for now. I only wonder how those 2 groups will spin this latest piece of news…because we all know that's what will happen.
Phil seems like a good guy,i really have nothing bad to say about him.
Most people don't have anything bad to say about him. He seems like a good dude, and just wants to bring quality games to XB1. I respect it.
Yeah, I like him as well. He's hardly the savior some fanboys make him out to be, but he's definitely a welcomed replacement to the position he's in.
He really is.
It is ridiculous what people will believe. Will it make the X1 better… yeah! Will it put in on par with PS4 graphically… no.
So… It won't be using the extra 5 cores?????
That would be Direct X 13, its got even more fairy dust.
Like the Sony SDK improvement because the ICE team will sell you the bullshot first and the downgraded game later.
Another new account? Working through those fast.
You've got every news site covered, haven't you Derp?
You aren't going to have a profile by the time this comes out for me to show you that you're wrong, but you'll know.
TIM Dogs, CRAPGAMER and Mister X are going to be in bits. This was the last big hope.
Dude, i don't know about the rest, but Crap is going to spin it saying this is Phil playing Jedi MindTricks…But then Crap will say that "the Dx12 will turn the Xbox One into the fastest computing device, ever"…Of course he'll claim he has proof but will never show it, all while he crosses his fingers and hopes for the best.
Crap gamer is such a tool for Microsoft. whenever he defends Microsoft and tries to say the media is biased and he says Sony Fanboys attack him yet he attacks Sony which brings on the Fanboys, and then plays the Defense card.
1) Makes A Video Bashing Sony
2) Defends Microsoft and Spins the News
3) Gets tired/butthurt of Sony Fanboys Attacking him (Not realizing or understanding what fanboyism is) Or that he is doing the samething
4) Plays Defense Card and tries to start over doing the same shit
Have i ever told you the definition of insanity?
I think we forgot to put in Nxtgen720 or Zaire in there.
Bang BANG.
Pot Kettle Black
Hey, don't forget number 5, which is seldom used by Crappy, but on occasion (May '14 NPD) he'll ignore the news and pretend it doesn't exist. So he'll either try his hardest to spin this, OR pretend this news never happened.
Oh look. A massive Sonygger is calling an xbot a fanboy. How utterly pathetic.
Fanboy is calling another fanboy a fanboy. Proceed to laugh at the shill till he goes away and hopefully considers suicide. Here's some practical advice.
Hey isn't it hilarious how Jewseppe says no personal attacks and lets you go?
Console shills have no morals.
Don't forget Nxtgen720P
where is the mysterious 12K PC? XD
I'm pretty sure he just paid 12k for it. Watch it be worth way less
No, most PC players pay $500 and get twice the performance of the awful consoles.
Direct X 12 will help PC's go further beyond consoles. It will be embarrassing watching them keep up.
B0nd said he's gonna wait until Day 100 #Colapes to address Laire again lol.
its coming when intel release there 12 core CPU!!
there it is… there should be the link to the video on there… at work on mobile 3g so only link for you
i said the same thing on IGN a few months ago, saying that this will be more game-changing on PC than on the xbox one, and of course i was called a sony fanboy.
nowadays sonyfanboy is the name for people telling facts.
Yeah that's a lie.
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Everybody knows that IGN is the best place to debate with smart and thorough people!
If you are in the Sony camp, that is.
How cute, another tribute account.
The whole world despises the Xbone, deal with it.
That's adorable. Because I comment about the absurd rants of those blindly devoted to the PS4, you pin me as an Xbox fanboy followed by a passive aggressive smiley.
My, this comment section is a treat to skim through.
Your second comment labels you as one of them though.
How so? I show support for no specific party with my comment.
"Blindly devoted?" Nope. Just deeply contemptful of the Xbone and its moronic fanbase. :^)
Took you only a day to formulate a response. Didn't say you are blindly devoted, as you can clearly tell from my comment if you had adequate literacy. You have contempt for a plastic box and people that buy such product? I'm afraid treatment for such lunacy is out of my field of profession.
Now can someone at Sony do the same so the cult of the ICE team and MisterTiduXmedia shut up or are they going to keep selling false promises that inevitably get downgraded?
didnt they do exactly what they said they would with the uncharted 4 unveiling?
You mean a bull shot trailer that is no way representative of the final game which will be downgraded like The Order and Watch Dogs?
Yes, they delivered.
Some one hasn't played the cinematic marvel that is the uncharted series, looking better than xbox one since the ps3.
the order was never downgraded, watch dogs is a 3rd party game made by ubisoft. and the uncharted trailer was in-engine and ND already said they hope to make it even better
look at my first to see a good game, watch all the vids. first is 2012 render totry get funding for the game, hornet commercial well the actuall model now looks even better, and the frrelancer was made like a few weeks ago so that up to date. looks awesome
In-engine captured directly from the PS4 = no way representative of the final game? Interesting.
Denial at its finest.
its not actually… in engine is not gameplay. Theres far more resource hogging activities in gameplay than a realtime in engine render
I never said it was gameplay. Obviously it's not. However, it's in-engine on a PS4…it's safe to say the graphics will be on par with the trailer. At the very least, it's certainly enough to consider it a fair representation of the final game.
well tbh that's a VERY VERY high aim to have. you have remember though not just the model needs be that high the entire environment needs be that high and also any other enemies/npcs you encounter has to so it doesnt break immersion. that is something that PS4 cannot do, flat out cant do if it does if I have a ps4 then ill give one of the games away for it for free whether its driveclub the order or what, for free cus there is NO WAY the Ps4 can achieve that across the board in uncharted 4
Actually even if I don't have a PS4 ill buy the game you want and send it to you for free in uncharted 4 looks like that across the entire game
I'm not saying it'll look identical to that throughout the entire game…but the graphics, I'm sure, will be comparable to those in the trailer. I base that not only on the fact that it's in-engine on the PS4, but that it's a Naughty Dog game, it still has a year or more before release, and it's only on 1 platform.
Uncharted games have always looked amazing…and that's on old hardware. It's not far fetched at all to believe they'll be able to achieve comparable graphics to what was shown in the trailer. The trailer was obviously a cutscene, so of course the gameplay isn't going to be identical to that.
I don't think think they will, I think there pushing to hard atm. Uncharted 5 maybe but Uncharted 4 I don't think. In engine doesn't mean much ill show you some videos to get perspective… please watch to get some perspective all 3 shuld only take upto 8 minutes of your life
This is the cut down SC vid they showed to try get funding from devs all in engine
This is Hornet Commercial that's rendered in engine
This is the latest MISC freelancer commercial
These are rendered in engine its not gameplay although in this case the models you see in engine are the ones you will fly but just shows what inengine can achiveve especially the first one where there was no real gameplay
You might wanna send him the game now, because you're already wrong.
lets see when the game is done
Naughty Dog actually stated that it is all rendered real time on a PS4 and is actually gameplay footage.
You're going to have to wait until ICE team stop delivering on promises… which could be a while.
They already failed to deliver on 1080P for Killzone Multiplayer.
They are pulling the exact same thing MisterXMedia pulls. Only officially and you morons eat it up.
Go play it, and tell me if your super cougar eyes can tell the difference in the technique they use, and actually 30fps 1080p, because I can't on my giant tv.
Blurred interlacing disguised as motion blur. Closer to 720P graphics. It was obvious from the start. The cowards at the press were just afraid to call them out during the launch hype
You are worse than MisterXMedia and going into straight up "But you can't tell the difference" damage control.
Its much be nice to grab buzzwords and act like its proof of quality, interlacing at worst makes the game look like 30 fps with advanced motion blur, but technically its updating half of the image at 30, and then the other vertical slices at thirty. This technique doesn't affect resolution, the only thing it would affect is perceived fps, but we don't have to use our brains if you don't want to.
Just to explain things a little.
Its still a lie. PS4 can't deliver the 1080/60 experience without massive compromises or outright lying. Like using "Temporal Interlacing" as a buzzword.
Also Interlacing was the standard format for consoles since the NES. Do keep up my dear
A new account already? Damn, that was fast.
Why? Did sony announce some type of software that will magically make the ps4 twice as strong?
There's a difference. See, PS3 was a rare species (negatively speaking): cpu with one main core and seven "minicore" that were more trouble to code than they helped with pushing graphics. Sony thought they could sell you the PS3 with only the Cell, no gpu, kinda like having an APU or a cpu with integrated graphics, but then they realized they messed up and added that awful nvidia custom gpu, which was weak and couldn't do jack. Add to that spectacular mess the split ram pool. The PS3 could produce good graphics only if you understood said mess, and the ICE team was created for that.
Oh my god you actually believe the "POWER OF THE CELL"
You and MisterXMedia are two sides of the same coin.
Are you retarded? Something with your reading comprehension is off bro. I didnt read his opinion but what Sony tried to do with the ps3. NOW read that over smart guy
He can't read with all those tears in his eyes.
Lol sony fanboys see, not a MASSIVE change as INSIGNIFICANT. PS he does state it will help, as an XB1 gamers, why would I be upset at that.
where did anyone here say 'insignificant'?
Let the spinning begin.
The spinning already began when Sony fanboys claimed the ICE team's magical new SDK would give twice the performance but DX 12 was a lie.
Two different sets of fanboys. All the same deluded shilling morons.
The way crazy Xbox fanboys were going on about Dx12 being a game changer IS a lie.
Just like you believed MisterTiduXMedia you sonybitch.
I'm here to remind both sides of their inferiority. I'm already more neutral and balanced than DualShockers.
The ICE team has a history of doing just that, though.
I'm actually glad you're back, I need some more of your tears to finish my cereal.
The ICE team have a history of lying and Uncharted was downgraded after every single E3 appearance.
You believe MisterTiduXMedia instead of MisterXMedia. Same shills. Terrible consoles.
What your not understanding is THE CEO of starduck said it will double the performance and the xbox fans believed him. I never once saw an article about doubling the ps4 performance. Team ICe said dont believe everything you hear
You are lying and have no clue what you're talking about.
Time for your daily ban I guess.
Derp lying and shilling in his deluded mind because he keeps getting owned every day.
Oh look, he got another account! Poor, poor basement dweller.
Like a record, baby, right round round round.
Are you dizzy yet?
Changing the goalposts from craziness over Brad Wardell's "it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one." to "it will help! It's not insignificant!".
Downsize those expectations.
Aahh, good old ultra deluded Truefan from N4G, this is a real super fanboy. and like Superkarma said, let the "spinning" begin.
MisterXMedia am cry.
With Destiny confirmed too run 1080p onXB1 there should be NO reason other games cant ghit 1080 also with the recent release of 10% more power for devs and the additional boost Dx12 will add XB1 will a much more powerful machine than it were at release…
Like too add Destiny alpha beta was awesome..The Beta imo is game of the year yeah its that good.
i agree now im stuck with inferior games lol. not really inferior but you know the feelng
The 10% boost doesn't automatically make all games 1080p. Just like DX12 won't automatically make all games 1080p. Even after the June SDK update, Blizzard confirmed Diablo 3 will still run at 900p on X1, 1080p on PS4. Not to mention, more goes into a game looking nice than just straight resolution. A game can be 1080p on both PS4 and X1, but the PS4 version will still be slightly better…as proven with Wolfenstein.
The point is, fanboys would love everyone to believe that the June SDK + DX12 were going to work miracles. They're not. They'll improve a previously significant inferior machine (performance-wise), but only to an exact. It's still limited by the inferior hardware, which will never change.
Never said it would make everything 1080! as powerful as ps4 is it cant run everything at 1080p…
with the 10% and boost from dx12 it will make it a lot easier also many devs have stated working with esram is tricky but when they figure how to use esram it will be esier for them to get games at 1080..
I never said the PS4 can run everything at 1080p either. And no, you're only assuming it'll be a lot easier. That doesn't make it so.
Also, the ESRAM has very little to do with resolution…so not sure how that factors into the equation at all. On top of that, it'll be years down the road before devs can actually take full advantage of the ESRAM.
Jus going off actual devs who actually create games that WE play so i have too take there word for it cause i will admit i am not a dev and really have NO idea how esram work nor do i care i jus play games on any esram, dram,dodge ram dont care as long as the game works
it can do cus when they figure out what is best going into it and being processed using that and other stuff using ddr3 then any slowdowns/extra unnecessary time will be reduced internal render time can be sped up to produce 1080p or 900p and better visuals etc so it will help. I think next gen MS going have to do whats sonys doing cus DDR4 and a faster form of esram isn't going to cut it compared to stacked GDDR6
900p for Diablo is pretty pathetic for blizzard. Its not even that graphically intensive. I'll chalk that up to lazy porting. It would be nice if they took a little longer to get 1080p.
Wait, when was this confirmed? Source?
Bungie said they were aiming for 1080p/30fps on X1. Apparently he doesn't understand the difference between aiming for a target and actually hitting the target.
destiny on x1 is 1080p 30
They haven't confirmed that.
ah right, well from the panoramic shots even with small compression of ps4 of destiny it doesn't look that demanding in terms of highly detailed textures so the x1 should be able do 1080p. Theres a picture of a building in one and you can see the exact point where it drops resolution i.e. LOD scales cus its like someones took a knife chopped it then "blurred it" type of thing. the same with infamous. I wonder if its hard to implement small LOD scales at like say 20,30,40,50% of depth so it smoothes it so its transitioning so its not noticeable then aftr maybe 50-60% depth drop properly/baked background.
Not trying bring it down but to me its not amazing but it is also open world so there are concessions that have to made I know when playing your not going notice cus your focused on other stuff but would be good if they made a bit of effort to smooth the transition
I've heard Destiny uses deferred rendering, and from what I hear, Xbox One will have problems with deferred rendering. It'll be interesting to see the differences between the two versions.
Deferred rendering = larger framebuffer, which doesn't mix well with only 32MB of ESRAM.
From what I've seen, I'm guess this whole generation, Xbox One games will look better when your character is staring at anything close, that requires a lot of polygons/processing in a small model, while the ps4 will push things out a little lower rez, but will be able to make an army of these lower rez figures and do lots of post processing effects. Different beasts lend themselves to different visual processes.
No, that's not how it works at all.
So thats just an early trend that won't reflect further into this generation?
I'm just going off games that have already released and that I've played, just a visual observation.
But you've got the knowledge, don't explain yourself, just keep playing keep away, that adds validity to your rude statement.
Destiny is more demanding than watchdogs i gotta believe it really comes down to how good are your tech guys
how is Destiny more demanding than watchdogs?
I played the alpha beta!! And i can tell you for certain this game is more demanding than watchdogs on every level
how is it? whne you got real ppl running around doesn't need no AI cus its real ppl, the environment doesn't look as good much higher levels of LOD scaling, or are you comparing destiny to PS4 version of watchdogs?
You do know that Destiny is a huge open world game where you can travel to other planets as is not a multi only game but has a huge campaign with hundreds if not thousands of weapons and customization with a ton of ai characters running around numbers of useable vehicles and a ton more also like too add Destiny open world as explained by bungie is huge
its not loading the whole universe at once is it? its not loading up the enemies all at once and if there far away/ past the 50% dof there downscaled like everything else so takes less resources. All campaigns aren't loaded upto memory at the same time never are the thousands of weapons and customizations aren't loade to memory there streamed in when needed.
So Star Citizen when that fully up and running are the tons of planets super high res textures, Meta AI which gives NPC's, wingmen etc there own personality and drives in "life" in SC, are all the ship models loaded to RAM? no cus youd need 100′sGB maybe 1000′s GB's of GDDR RAM, etc just cus its HUGE doesn't make it more demanding. Does Destiny have full weather simulations which are more CPU bound etc, which is hard cus a lot of MMO's are CPU bound not 100% sure why but they are…. so ask again is destiny more demanding?
Where was that confirmed?
If devs claim Destiny is 1080p 30 fps on both, PS4 will still have a higher average framerate (less drops), less screen tearing, and better visual effects (AA, shadows, particles, etc.) Digital Foundry will prove it.
You guys are going to wish Destiny was 900p on Xbox One when it arrives at 1080p with big framedrops from 30 fps, screen tearing, and lower visual effects.
Hardline? It's not even running 1080p on PS4 right now. Seems like Visceral games is pulling some legs.
And now Sunset Overdrive and Fable Legends 900p.
Dont care if its 600p so long the frame is good but im getting the game on my ps4
Wait…Sunset is 900p? Is that really true?
yeah its 900p and there using the newer sdk to increase particle count instead of resolution cus that's there direction they want go in
Lol, wow. But what's Fable's excuse? That's a first party…they really have no excuse for being 900p.
it depends really… the funny thing is no PS4 guy after watchdogs came out slated it for being 900p really so there obviously nothing wrong with that resolution otherwise you all wouldn't have bought the game if it was such a problem would ya????
Once again the point is PS4′s hardware is more powerful. There's 3 or 4 PS4 games that only run sub-1080p.
so what… did watchdogs look bad at 900p or not?
For a launch window multiplat it's not ideal but understandable, later on devs will get more power out of the system. Naughty Dog will show what PS4 is capable of. You're comparing Watch Dogs to 1st party Xbox games when you should be comparing it to Uncharted 4.
Quite a few Xbox games will be sub-1080p for the entire generation.
All the games coming out now have been in development since the crappy SDK's for Xbox one. They just recently got better ones. By next holiday season we should be seeing way more 1080p games on Xbox one. Devs just gotta wrap their head around it.
I doubt that, there's more to Xbox's resolution issues than a 10% GPU boost.
The point is, if there's resolution parity, PS4 will have better framerate or visual effects, unless the devs cap them both at 30 and don't use much of PS4′s extra power (like what happened with Need for Speed: Rivals).
NFS Rivals wasn't capped at 30 for parity lmao… do you know why it was capped at 30?
LMFAO you don't do ya… would like me to help you or point you to a youtube video or something… pathetic… Godgamerderp that actually knows nothing about games
900PS4 will always be 900P even if the xboner drops to 792P.
You will never understand that PC is the master race derp.
I personally think all these delays especially with the order is because they are struggling to run the game at the fidelity they want so they've got to delay it to create new tools or code enhancements to try make it more efficient so it doesn't use as much power therefore trying to get the game to be how they want. The PS4 to run that stuff needs to be incredibly effiicent and will be the only way it can pump out those visuals
Once again, you're stating the obvious over and over and over and over again. Everyone on this earth knows that the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox.
Not everyone lol xbox corporate slaves dont
Trust me, they do. But the thing is, they are in denial.
Just wondering why did you upvoted that disgusting comment above telling Giuseppe to kill himself?
Was aiming at the down vote, hit the up vote by mistake, being the lazy person that I am, I don't want to figure out how to remove :P.
Curious, why on earth are you checking my up/down votes?
I was checking the up-votes on his comment to see, I wasn't going user-to-user.
He's done that alot. he has alot of pics from our posts. lol
Is this your job? I see your name plastered all over the internet (as well as variant screen names like "GamerGodDerp"), saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
I like PS4 as well, but come on man, most people don't really care that much.
So why aint you complaining about Console_shill_alert, he has a million and one accounts all over the net. Yet not a peep from you about him, eh? hmmm…
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it simply based off resolution. As I said below, more goes into a game looking nice than just simply resolution. A game can be 1080p and still look and run inferior compared to the same game on different hardware.
That said, Watch Dogs was multiplat…going on 6 platforms. I can understand why sacrifices were made. However, first parties have absolutely no excuse for it. Same goes for third party exclusives (Sunset). If your only focus is 1 platform, you shouldn't have a problem hitting 1080p. If you can't, then that says a lot about the hardware it's running on.
well yeah obviously, they took the esram bit tooo far this time. The next xbox will be either more refined or changed… like vista bulldoze in try do to much take ages to develop tons cut and ran like cr@p. win7 amazing. Win8 bulldoze the UI (even though there was nothing wrong with it for me, at first getting charms bar show up was hard using 2 screens) then 8.1 mostly fixed, boots to desktop etc. its like that a tick tock thing… X1 bit pants X2 hopefully they'll learn and change it up and make it better
Oh, for sure. I have no doubt about that. Just like Sony learned from the PS3′s bad launch and poor decision making, Microsoft will do the same.
its like the whole edram and Kinect… they saw eDram added on as good for free AA think it was but then integrated that design to heavily and its turned out not so good and like Kinect they saw the sales of Kinect I dunno what the uptake figures were but I think that decision was made by a businessman. He thought if they created Kinect 2 and forced it on ppl theyd still buy it. Phil will be very good for xbox cus you NEED a gamer/game developer to create a games console. Like Cerny's heavy background in games development he knows what he'd want the console to do and got other game devs to chip in to and made a good one although I wonder what the ddr3+esram combo would of bin like with the same powered gpu as ps4
Your not going to ask a electrician to build a house, you know what I mean!!!
Maybe because Watch Dogs is a 3rd party cross-gen multiplatform title, which excuses it's resolution.
well I went from high textures to ultra + the mod (which is 715KB so its notmodfying any gfx) and it look s absolutely GORGEOUS which is something ps4 will never see. Most PC will never see either unless they d/l and activate which ios so wrong
As insomniac stated they could use the extra boost to run it at 1080 but they rather improve the particles in game which would add alot more awesome to the particle effects…have you seen the gameplay? Graphics are top notch insomniac understands 1080p does not equal graphics
They actually haven't said it's 900p (Fable that is), that's an assumption like all his other assumptions. They did say that right now it's sub-1080p. However the game is still approx a year off….and they said that they will most likely get it to 1080p….either way Sunset Overdrive and Fable already look great…if they didn't tell you they were 900p…you wouldn't know
Yeah it was a dev choice, just like Order using the cinema aspect.
yeah I might actually have a PS4 by then I kinda want one for drive club see what its like then either borrow or buy a cheap infamous see if it lives it the hype. but tbh im not convinced by the order tbh. it does look good just not sure if its in a good way or a bad way
Sunset Overdrive running at 900p is not a design choice, please! I guess that's what you have to tell yourself to feel better eh?
And The Order running in a cinema aspect ratio wasn't a design choice either. But that's just how it is.
Actually it was, try a little harder.
Why try hard when the information speak for itself? Not my fault consoles are on the weaker side this generation.
Have you seriously missed EVERY article where they said it was? Are you living under a rock or something?
Oh please, its 900p cuz the system cant run the game higher, you're so naïve. I dont care what they say, its bs, you know it.
Yeah, so they purposely made it 900p cuz they just wanted to. It has nothing to do with the system being incapable of doing it at a higher res. Yeah, you're smart. Keep falling for the bullsh*t. And GG made the MP in KZ 960x1080p by choice too. Fanboys!
10% is not enough to go from 900p to 1080p. Destiny did it cuz it was probably already close, but SO is not 900p because of the direction they wanted to go in, its because of the systems limitation. You people are so gullible.
BF Hardline isn't 1080p cus its a copy and paste of fcking BF4 code. re0skinned and that's it. its $h1t.. anyone who pays for it is a fool
Not if they "level the playing field" if you catch my drift.
The good thing about Phil seems like hes actually honest… hes not trying to play DX12 will be the amazing API that will give xbox dbl performance, yes it will help if its still running on a old outdated API with old limitations, having it multithreaded is a small part of the DX12 API, it brings the API upto modern times so it will affect games by improving performance but like he said its not going be massive for the X1… youll see some pretty big performance boosts for PC but that's for another article
Direct X 12 as fradulent as the PS4 ICE team's claims confirmed. Both consoles to remain underpowered and under delivering.
Only difference is Sony officially markets its MisterXMedia crap.
Damn…ANOTHER account? That was even faster.
He's making accounts faster than they can ban him, I guess.
Remember to keep it civil people. If you don't, we'll have to take steps. Especially, keep the personal attacks for yourselves.
Someone in Spencer's position being this open and honest should be something to celebrate in this industry, not to meet with flames.
Getting honest answers from him is the last thing I expected, but it does a lot to inspire confidence in the Xbox dev team's direction again.
What a lying and deceitful shill you are.
Someone posts the truth that both Direct X 12 on xbone and the SDK improvement on PS4 are magic fairy dust lies generated by marketing and you ban, ban, ban.
Every time I have posted. You ban the truth. You especially ban anything exposing Sony as the lying, deceitful company they are. Any opinion against Sony is banned. But sure, insult M$ all you like. That brings in the clicks which brings in the shekkels. I hate M$ and wish for the linux future but the gaggle of shills you allow to post proclaiming Sony superiority is sickening while anyone who posts about PC is banned.
You are a remorseless shill and a cancer upon videogames. Ask Jeremy Conrad for some advice on throwing yourself in front of a truck.
Please leave, KingBSon.
Why don't you kill yourself first you shill.
PC is the master race. You can't ever accept my superiority and blame xbots. PC ALWAYS wins.
Driver and incompatibility problems do not exist on my Ps4, I am satisfied.
they don't exist on PC either TBH, driver enhancements usually come with a new game but id imagine the updates will come on the game disc with the console version to silently install/day 1 update is for a driver enhancement
come on of course they exist on pc…
incompatibility yes on much older games new ones no. Ive not had a driver update that screws my OS over
But I don't have to deal with it, making me a happy camper.
yeh I get it but that's part of the fun/frustration :d
I love dealing with it, even if ive punched and kicked my computer a few times… prolly resulted in the failure of my last one but at least I taught it a lesson… to give up!!
What's wrong, friend? Forget the password to your other account?
Just pointing out the truth to some peasants. Not much.
Still jacking off to pics of Yoshida? Why don't you do the earth a favor and kill yourself?
Don't be mad, KingBSon. Be you.
Literally the only defence you have is to scream Xbot. Ebin ruse mate :^)
PC is the master race. Xboner done. 900PS4 also done. Truth will always be posted here even if Jewseppe, yourself or derp gets mad.
Stay mad
>Spamming /v/
>Spamming Disqus
>"S-stay mad!!!"
You are fun.
You surely haven't though, Derpy boy.
Thank you for recognising me as not being stupid.
I don't think your comment had the effect you intended it to.
No, XTreme Derp is not a stupid name, but you can do better.
Seems my comment did have the intended effect after all.
Unfortunately for you, crappernaught, just as you thought the PS4 would have disc-based DRM, I am not [Whatever]Derp. If it helps you sleep at night, I will allow you to continue that delusion.
"just as you thought the PS4 would have disc-based DRM"
Care to find were I stated that? Or is it safe to say you are full of hot air? Happy trolling, Mr. wrong.
Hey, you hold out that low-hanging fruit, I'll grab it. It's all a bit of fun, after all.
Xbots gonna Xbot. You all made the same excuses last year. Don't try and wriggle out of it.
Who is "you all"? Is everyone not you an xbot? I own a PS$ not an Xbone, but it seems you have an obsession for xbox fanboys, even when one doesn't exist.
"Hey, you hold out that low-hanging fruit, I'll grab it. It's all a bit of fun, after all"
Yes, my fruit hangs low. But that's all you need to know Mr. Wrong.
lol, thought you'd like that one.
Thinking an IP ban for you and anybody that upvoted your comment.
Calling somebody who contributes to the games industry more than you ever have a 'cancer upon videogames' is extremely offensive and in poor taste.
Now I`ve realized why Dualshockers hasn`t posted about Sunset Overdrive being 900P / 30 FPS on XBOX One , They know people would go all out ! LOL.
it already has bin hasn't it? ah maybe not
Can't have whiny xbots and hypocritical Sonybitches have a running battle in the comments. Oh no, Jewseppe would never stoop to such low levels.
Plus he'd just ban the xbots. None are allowed to criticize the Orwellian Sony state. EAT VERIFICATION TACO TO CONTINUE POSTING.
What's wrong with 900p 30fps, sunset overdrive looks like a awesome game
…my pc can do 1080p in 60 MINIMUM. pc master race can go at 1080p and do more than 120fps… thats whats wrong.
your "clickbait" is other people's information. Some dislike being informed. I guess you're one of those.
You tell him. Thanks for keeping this community strong and non toxic. Is it a matter of time before IGN users migrate over here? I hope not soon. This is the best gaming news site out there!
It was already toxic and no better than IGN.
Think of me as assisted suicide for this pathetic website and all disqus sections. I can end the suffering soon enough.
Hilarious with your avatar how you claim that you are better than IGN when you are nothing but a Sonybitch fanboy.
Thats why PC is the master race. We look down on you equally and laugh at your hypocrisy.
Im claiming that this site is better than IGN you plank lmao.
Go back to playing farmville on your £2000 PC
Master Race my ass.Lol keep begging for console ports peasant.
Oh look. You ran through the comments like a lawnmower deleting all dissenting opinions that weren't sucking off Sony.
Truly the best community on the internet as long as it follows the party line.
I find it funny the guy who bashes on both is banned but there's plenty of Sony fanboys unbanned and making personal attacks.
Time to rename DualShockers to DualStandards
It doesn't matter, they still have the epic and infinite power of the cloud to improve games.
Just like the PS4 has the mighty 8GB GDDR5 and "Supercharged PC"
No wait its just a gimped 7850 with a netbook processor that's being outpaced by tablets already.
Consolebitches are all the same lying shills.
This is fine. I'm perfectly happy with my Xbox One at it's current state.
same here
Good for you guys, no need for petty twaddle here. We should just be enjoying the games, of which there are plenty to come.
Xbone users am cry.
Sony shills doing it for free
Console owners are pathetic.
It's all they have in life to hold onto.
Still more than what you have.
A failed attempt at an insult. You must be under 18 years of age.
I like my Xbox One and my Wii U, and couldn't be happier with what is to come. Good on Phil for not trying to hype. He is the best person they have had running the show so far.
All I want is for him to keep pushing innovation and keep bringing the great games.
You Mean "Scalebound" right? lol
xbox one doesnt have a game by the name of Scaleborn
If true, I think Spencer is trying to say that he likes Scalebound and Bloodborne :p
no. i think our giuseppe mad a mistake
True. He could be mad. xD
mr nevala The name of the game Scalebound and not
As always.
Phil Spencer is a really cool guy, and I liked his stance even before he became head of Xbox. Being sincere is always better than lying or overpromising. Gone are the Mattricks and Whittens of old Xbox with their "TVTVTVTV" and the "Power of the Cloud" nonsense. Unfortunately Xbox One will keep suffering from its inferior hardware for the whole generation, but if Microsoft take a note from Sony's policies during the PS3 era, they 'll manage Xbox One nicely until the next generation in 5 years or so.
Well at this point it doesn't seem like X1 needs a "massive" change to be competitive, it seems as time goes on and with the introduction of the June SDK, the graphical-end-result gap is getting smaller and smaller already…so ANY benefit will help. We have all already known that it won't help the "low-level" API aspect, being as X1 already has a version of that…it may help a little in that aspect, but not a ton. My concern/hope is that it will make taking advantage of the ESRAM easier for devs, so that they can put it to good use. From what I have read lately it's not just EDRAM 2.0 it actually has more benefits if used properly….but of course that makes it more difficult…so if they can smooth that out….
Yea. Destiny at 1080/30 on both platforms, xbox really needs to do "something" about that.
Wolfenstein was 1080p/60 on both platforms, but yet…it still ran/looked inferior on the X1 compared to the PS4.
Just had to do it. Didn't you.
You know that makes completely no sense at all.
If you are using the resolution and frame rate as your test when they are the same you cant switch over to something else. And truthfully they are the same game and itdidnt run better on Ps4.
Truthfully even the whole resolution thing is blown out of proportion and filled with misinformation.
You know, it absolutely makes sense…and I'm not switching anything over.
As anyone with common sense knows, a games look and feel is more than just resolution and fps. It's a proven fact that Wolfenstein had graphical hiccups and slight performance hiccups on the X1. It's a proven fact that Wolfenstein looked slightly different/inferior than the PS4 version. Just like it's a proven fact that Watch Dog's had very slight/minor fps drops on the X1 and screen tearing, whereas the PS4 didn't have any…at least, during the test.
Like I said, both can be 1080p/30-60fps, but the PS4 version will always run it better than the X1 version, due to its improved hardware. That's just a simple fact and has been proven time and time again.
Its a proven fact there is no resolution drops at all on the PC. Yet you seem to miss out that whole "PC is the master race" conclusion all the time. It's like Sony shills blank out the last paragraph because it reminds them of their utter inferiority to the PC Master Race.
It's a proven fact no one was talking about the PC.
Move on, troll.
Oh boy, as usual, obsessed with Sony. Has no problem with MS fanboys, but Sony, forget about it. You're definitely sick.
M$ fanboys are too easy to kick. Same with Nintendo fanboys. But Sonybitches like yourself cry and scream and are responsible for more cancer.
so your saying 900p is an acceoptable resolution then?? or you maybe reminded that BF hardline will be 900p again?
Dude, what are you not understanding about my point? I clearly said a games resolution/fps is only one factor in how it looks/feels. Stop bringing this back to 900p. The original argument was that both versions will be 1080p, so both will run/look the same…which simply is not true at all.
When the PS4 can run the game at 1080p and thee X1 is only able to run it at 900p, yes that is unacceptable.
But the resolutions aren't the same, the X1 version drops to a lower res and more frequently than the PS4 version (960x1080p X1 vs 1760x1080p PS4), FACT! Typical fanboy trying to hide the facts.
"Having now completed our analysis, it's clear that the PS4 gains an advantage with smaller drops in resolution that occur less frequently than they do on Xbox One. Metrics in the area of 1760×1080 are found on PS4, while on the Xbox One this can drop to an extreme of 960×1080 in some scenes. This is usually identifiable by an increase in the amount of jaggies on screen, along with a slightly fuzzier appearance to the already gritty aesthetic that Machine Games employs throughout the game."
And it also has better shadows.
And the PC stands tall with a 1920x1080p Resolution all the time
You didn't want to put that in because it makes the 900PS4 look incompetent so I helped you.
What!? cuz nobody here is talking about the PC, you weirdo, now buzz off whacko!
I am talking about PC because PC is always relevant and PC is the master race. Inferior xbots, Nintenyearolds and Sonybitches can't handle the truth
"Nintenyearolds", lol, I like that, I'ma use that. And "Sonybitches" sounds a hundred times better than Sony ponies. Sony ponies soundchildish as sh*t. For once, your useless a$$ produce something worthwile. But you're still not fooling anyone, you xbot. You're just really mad that the PS4 is superior to the X1. Now go pretend some more.
I guess since it's primarily an online game they could invest in having a better network….oh wait…
Nice trolling there buddy, your insecurities are showing.
The most insecure Sony shill outside of derp complains about insecurity of xbots. Utterly hilarious.
Whats your next shill move there?
If you're seeing insecurity, your goggles are mirrors.
Ha ha ha, stupid!
Corny, try again.
When was this confirmed?
MS tells the truth? WOW, well done Phil
I think us non fanboys knew about this already..DX12 is close to what they're currently already using..
well I don't know the multithreaded part, CPU efficeinces close to the metal yes definitely but the rest of it, I dunno. like is it unbounded things or boundless other stuff which has bin limited since the early days cus they never imagined it would get this complex? theres a lot of other stuff in DX12 that may not be in xbox version of DX11 which can help it its not going to be MASSIVE but will help it to achieve better gfx capabilities whether devs choose to use it for resolution, framerate, particles etc, the same still applies to PS4 tbh.
PS4 mostly has 1080p covered but with future updates are they going to go for same visuals as say in driveclub but at 60 fps or go for 30 fps again but improve the visual/dynamism/procedural gen etc creates simulations oat 60 or go for more RPG's better than Bloodborne or Uncharted 4 which I have a very hard time believing that's what youll get, uncharted 5 maybe 4 no chance…. its always a trade off cus I could say well if its running on PC itll be better but it doesn't really apply because…
when the ps5 releases its still going be the same… should be 4K then if its 1080p again id flush your money down the toilet tbh. anyway still going be a trade off of visuals vs framerate. even on PC its the same. lets say 780 is performance ceiling but someone created a game thinking 880 would be out now. gfx have to lower to get acceptable framerate.. If they had 780 now but ppl got an 880 then gfx power is wasted except the 30 fps game they were aiming for may now work in 60 fps so always a trade off.
No one ever denied that DX12 will help. Well, apart from clueless fanboys. The CPU balancing will give benefits indeed. Still a direct approach "to the metal" is more effective, which is what the Naughty Dog developer meant when he said that "DX12 is in the middle". Naughty Dog implemented its own CPU Balancing/Job System as the attached picture shows. Being drawn around the single PS4 HW is supposed to be more efficient.
DX12 for PC will enable BIG amounts of more performance, DX12 for X1 will be an improvement but not massive as Phil has said.
Just bin playing watchdogs on ultra textures, ultra everything else and smaa, I think I could gain extra performance using no AA but using sweetfx sharpenging filter may try that tomorrow but it looks absolutely GORGEOUS as it stand atm its rediculously good looking. I think they did it so consoles wont look like cr@p… seriously get some proper comparisons and consoles will look like Tonka toys. its amamzingh. I quit the last mission just to hae a drive around. its amazing. still trying find some weather though to properly see it so may have to drive around for a while
I meant it won't improve much the performances on the console. The optimization to the metal will benefit only the PC; since the Xbone SDK is supposed to be even more optimized.
yeah that is true but im also saying Watchdogs is intentional downgraded so the differences between the 900p PS4 isn't as massive as 1080 ultra, umm plus the proper effects because it would embarrass the ps4 and x1
Are you still going on with that messed up game? We don't know what Ubisoft did, and most of all we don't know why they did it. I told you already that if it can improve the visuals on (any) PC keeping the same performances the same is possible on consoles. It's only that we don't have the means to test it. Ask Ubisoft and stop whining because of your PC player inferiority complex!
I personalty thing the "improvements" o the PC game are only coming because they know modetrs have fixed it anyway and tbh well most looks real really good. I still need a rain scene that to test out the heavy rain and lighting effects on droplets but tis so hard to try get a rain scene, might drive around for hours to get one to prove a point. im sorry but consoles not as good simple fact
well if modder got it working from there OWN game files then seems lazy publishewr
don't need to cus ive got it running at Ultra textures an ultra everything.. sure I cant maintain it whenm im smashing into bus stops etc but there no way consoles can ad those effects and expect a minimal performance drop. consoles are designed a sa complete experience and for those effect it cant come close to holding. so by bye D:
ypu mad thing wa I upped everything to ukltra befor and wa like hmm ok cool…. put the mod in and even the clothes you were wearing I though WOW ubi let the PC players down big timer. sux
How is it that in 6 minutes your writing changes from intelligible to completely broken?! o.0
well I kind of fell into the pit io eas in a Cpl weeks ago so need to rebuild my road out but just takes 1 day of raod then im back on it again…hopefully
btw 0 to drunk lol. kinda of dug myself into another situration that went qwrong and this is my release mechanism so ont judge. if ya do fair enough I don't care anyway
Pretty much. Consoles are designed to have low level APIs to begin with.
#correction game is scalebound not scaleborn
Indeed, thanks for pointing it out
Pretty sure there is a chalkboard that needs updating…
I must say… I'm impressed. My applause to mr. Spencer for saying things as they are. It was actually getting quite fatiguing to explain that improvements in an abstract API, also mostly meant for PC couldn't bring dramatic changes in the console SDK, which is already more optimized for the single HW architecture.
I just feel that we as human's look for better every time's that we dont want to go back to what was then.We want better as humans but we dont know how to get there all the time to makeing something better.I feel that this is why we some time's fail as human's.we look at what's there and feel that is look's god to one man.But to millions it's just not good enough.This is something that i dont think we can fix .Unless we each know how to fix areself's.At what we have to do with tec and video game's.And life in all.
Well this actually leads me to believe the reason behind HALO 5 delay other than timing. I am all for boosting 1st party titles. 3rd parties are not going to spend that much extra time doing all that so. Still good to hear this man speak. He is really leading MS in the best possible direction.
Halo 5 has the RIGHT to tbe delayed… if drive club came out in the state it was for November 2013 itwould be wporse than forza… 1 year extra is a lot of time. how they can downplay iot is amazing
Bring on DX12. Honestly cant wait to move from DX11. My i7K CPU and X1 CPU could benefit well from the CPU gains that DX12 will offer.
im actually loving the new tec witgh dx12, mantle pascal etc coming the next few years, AMD latest apparently 12 core intels coming manstream DDR4, and do you know why??? its going to make the console look like someat from toy r us and tbh if you have a PS5 at $400 without losing money th consoles will be serverly outclassed the console advantage will be disappeared so bye bye
This is a good thing how Spencer talk about first Party and bringing the old Ip's, and also how honest he mention how the direct x12 work on Xbox One. Guys this is what people want, this kind of honesty that help PS4 sold a lot, this honesty that will keep a positive opinion and bringing new consumer later on. It will not gain the benefit directly but i am sure bit by bit they will gain trust among the gamers. I hope i don't see any Cloud bulls**t again from Microsoft PR Especially from Spencer who had a good trust among the hardcore gamers. There is still a hope for Xbox to gain momentum, if it's not this generation you guys can still hope for next generation to come
every Sony fanboys must be so wet in their pants right now!
I am not :), well i wet my Panties because other thing LOL ^_^
Why would Sony fanboys be excited over news that confirms what Sony fanboys already knew to be the truth to begin with?
Phil as playing it safe on this one… My opinion–> A DX12 performance increase will be the understanding and implementation of the API by game developers. I don't think it is magic in a bottle, especially if it isn't fully understood or utilized.
I'm glad he kept it real, those of us who understand the hardware knew DX12 for XB1 would not change the game, no pun.
misterxmedia is cry.
I was about to make a comment on that LMAO! what's next for misterxmedia? That Phil is wrong, there are chips to unlock and the power of the cloud? LOL
Phil's doing an excellent job. I keep being surprised the more I hear from him.
Phantom dust
nuff said…
Phil Spencer seems to be keenly aware of the problems with Xbox One. If he could turn the clock backwards, he would have put more money into the hardware.
I didn't get that at all from what he said. He is a realist, not an apologist.
Exactly what I got from it also. As if it's truly a problem. Now if we were back at the RROD…now he would be making a point. But his obliviously a fanboy.
Is he saying it's not a massive change from a development standpoint or from a benefit standpoint? If it's the latter, then he's contradicting himself since he said the jump would be comparable to going from Perfect Dark Zero to Halo 4 earlier. Oh well, I really enjoy my Xbox One. It would have been nice to get a substantial graphics upgrade since that's my only complaint so far.
PDZ to Halo 4 comparison had nothing to do with DX12, what he basically tried to say is that the games on the XB360 changed over its lifetime from looking like PDZ to look like Halo 4. The same would happen with the XB1, with the games you see today would be relatively comparable to how PDZ was on the XB360; when you compare them to games of few years down the line.
At the very least, that how I understood that comment from him.
It will still allow developers to do some amazing things. Don't know about the whole increase in power claim. Microsoft never stated it, but the benefits are there.
All I remember from earlier accounts was how it was going to be such a "game changer."
And it's not a matter of someone necessarily being honest or coming clean–this is just a matter of announcing it before places like Digital Foundry did. Better you announce the bad news yourself, rather than have someone else do it.
OK now bring "The Lost Odyssey" to Xbox One, Spencer.
Agreed 100%.
Remaster too!! 1080p/60FPS BABY!!!
Great now all the little xtots can let this secret sauce belief go now. You heard it from your fearless leader kiddies.
I heard It will not be a MASSIVE change. That's the exaggeration. The point is it will still provide developers with unique capabilities.
Wrong. Take off that word "unique" and you'll be right. You might want to check his quote once more before you start adding words and exaggerating again.
your too much into this…
The massive change he is on about are what some fanboys are calling an EXTRA GPU somehwere or increased power. THAT is what Phil was on about.
What he stated CLEAR as day and what I've been learning more about in developer notes and conferences, is that the developer capabilities will be there.
What is the point of proving me wrong on something I was right about? Your wasting your time.
Something you were right about? That's the thing…you weren't right about anything. You're simply inferring you know what "he's on about"…in other words, you have no idea and are guessing.
I don't see anything about extra cpu or increased power or anything in his quote….yet, here you are, adding words once again. But hey, I shouldn't question you, because you clearly know what you're talking about, since you read some dev notes and watched some conferences. Lol.
Fact is, no one is denying developers will have more capabilities with DX12…but they're certainly not unique and they're certainly not as relevant on the Xbox One. Most of those "capabilities" will be best used on PC and likely never see the light of day on the X1. DX12 on the X1 will be very much like DX11 is right now…with a few tweaks here and there. Until you can show me the "unique" capabilities on a retail X1, there's nothing left to debate here.
And yet you know? Give these articles a break buddy for the sake of your sanity if there is any left. I don't comment here taking note from a bunch of fanboys wasting their time. Instead of finding open conversations I end up with a bunch of kool-aid drinking fanboys spouting crap.
I get all my info from actual developer blogs and notes from their sites. Your just full of it. When most read phil's quote, guess what? You take what you want to see, NOT facts for what they are.
Nothing you state is relevant whatsoever, it has no point and never will because you know why? YOU DON'T GIVE A SHIT. Your a looser who waste their time being a "hero" to a bunch of looser fanboy sentiments. If anything never talk about technical stuff because it's the same drivel as the opposite end with hidden GPUs and increased power for "massive change" bullshit.
Almost your entire comment was nothing more than pointless insults and backpedaling. What a surprise.
I don't give a shit where you get your idiotic information from. I got my information directly from Phil Spencer's quote above…and common sense. I didn't take what I wanted to see…I saw exactly what he said, word by word. You, on the other hand, clearly took what you wanted to see and then added words and inferred your own conclusion. Again, what a surprise.
Stop wasting both of our time and just admit you have no idea what you're talking about and are simply playing the guessing game. As I said, show me those "unique capabilities" running on a retail X1 and then we can have a real discussion. Until then, there's nothing left to debate here.
I'm sure you'll come up with some more insults and more backpedaling in your next reply, though. There's no doubt about that. I look forward to laughing at your next comment, much like I did with your past ones.
Your wasting your time buddy. As I said, most of you take from what you WANT to hear. Straight from Phil himself just to post it here and prove how much of a dense prick you are:
" "It will help developers on XBOX One". It's not going to be a massive change but "will unlock more capability for devs". "
Geeze I even had to double quote the exact points. Your so full of your BS opinion that you convinced yourself of what you only want to hear. It's sad because there is NO POINT in you defending a moot point that anyone can objectively read and take note of. You simply choose to close your ears and stomp your feet.
The kool-aid is strong with you, lmao!
Enjoy your life. I enjoy games.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at by posting Phil's quote. Are you trying to prove my point for me? Lets recap:
You said:
"I heard It will not be a MASSIVE change. That's the exaggeration. The point is it will still provide developers with unique capabilities."
I said:
"Wrong. Take off that word "unique" and you'll be right. You might want to check his quote once more before you start adding words and exaggerating again."
And then you went on a rambling tantrum about how you know what Phil actually meant and whatnot. So, by you reposting Phil's quote is only proving my point…once again.
Keep trying, fanboy. I know how you love to get the last word in, so I'll be awaiting your next reply, which will inevitably make me laugh some more.
We weren't asking for any increases yet anyway.
We are waiting for the main one in 2017, when the NDA expires and the 2nd gpu is unlocked
Have you realize that your writing that make people allergic with Xbox One article?
I like Phil Spencer, seems like a really cool guy
Phil has truly turned things around for the better imo, I switched over to PS4 this gen because of the messages Microsoft were sending about their system along with their specs and reveal etc and focus on TV. However now they are bringing the games, being honest, unbundling the Kinect and releasing tons of firmware updates. I cannot wait to get an Xbox One especially for Halo 2 MP woop woop! Good ol days!
Man……. Amazing how the secret sauce ended up being something more for PC's than just for the XBOne.
I understand that it will allow for far better/faster ports to the XBOne, but this is not what we were told months ago from the cats mouth. Now…..now it is okay because it came from the same cat and that it is not going to be as huge of an impact as they previously stated.
Sounds more like Microlo$t is at it again with the bandwagon and blowing the proverbial smoke.
Just imagine if they had developed a "video game" console/system from the beginning of its conception and stayed with it…. Wonder if they would be having as many discussions about "possible" performance gains in every single little aspect of any possibility regarding their system. Just wonder….
"Especially, keep the personal attacks for yourselves."
Ok DougLord you are a stupid, POS, looser XBOT!
As for the article this doesn't really help much. Ok so its not a massive change. I think everyone knew that. We have seen what Mantle was able to do for AMD CPUs, and I think everyone expects it to be somewhat less than that, as hopefully some optimization has already been done.
The real question is are the Sony Ponies right, and DX12 will bring a 0%-1% improvement, or are we looking at 10%, 20% etc…
Frankly I'm more excited to see some real life cloud applications. Lets start by proving that Crackdown demo can be done over a normal internet connection, and tell me what will happen if I'm not online. I'd also like to see more on the AI side. Driveatars were pretty cool, but this would really kick butt in a persistent world. Anybody play Ascend Kul? Every 5 levels, you restart your character and your old one becomes an AI enemy for other players. This would kick but if the AI was actually based on your play style etc…
/v/ is 25 year old NEETs who also post their lolis on /a/ before crying themselves to sleep. Would account for your frustration.
Uh-huh, okay. When you inevitably encounter a person suffering from cancer you'll realise how incredibly insensitive and disgusting you're behaving.
Rog Rogerson would like a word with you.
Rog would let everyone know that you do it for free and you take your job shilling for Sony VERY seriously. :^)
Stay mad, bruh.
Get a life, Shakeslikecrazy…
tbh with you an IP ban wont make any difference to a dynamic IP, theres also proxy servers to run through, if you got the will theres always a way… everything can be bypassed some how. Humans aren't perfect therefore there will never be a perfect solution!!
Still doesn't stop me from reminding you that you are a cancerous tumor upon videogames and euthanasia is your best option.
Shill harder. Your superiors are unhappy with the shekkels produced this month.
None are more mad than you, Sonybitch.
PC is the master race. Accept it sonybitches.
"Humans aren't perfect therefore there will never be a perfect solution!!"
can i write your sentence with some gold?
It was awesome and i agree with you
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Don't be afraid. This is what Mumbai Police is telling members of the Hindi film industry, some of whom have allegedly received threat calls from the underworld recently.
Intel Agencies Try to Poke Dawood Through Facebook
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Having lost a crucial lead with the death of Dawood Ibrahim's sister Hasina Parkar yesterday, intelligence agencies may ramp up their surveillance of the Facebook accounts of Dawood's family members.
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India | mid-day.com | Monday July 7, 2014
Dawood Ibrahim's younger sister, Hasina Ibrahim Parkar, passed away in a hospital in the wanted underworld don's bastion of Dongri in South Mumbai yesterday.
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Cities | Press Trust of India | Sunday July 6, 2014
The sister of fugitive underworld don Dawood Ibrahim died at a private hospital in South Mumbai today following a heart attack, police said.
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Actress Shilpa Shetty is quite excited about her upcoming film Dishkiyaaoon, which is set in the backdrop of Mumbai's underworld.
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Filmmaker Ram Gopal Varma, who explored the Mumbai underworld as a subject for his 1998 crime thriller Satya, says its sequel explores a new kind of underworld which he believes can spring up anytime.
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India | Agencies | Monday September 9, 2013
The Indian government has proposed joint action with the United States to arrest underworld don and the country's most wanted terrorist, Dawood Ibrahim, Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said in Mumbai today.
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Cities | Edited by Nadim Asrar | Friday July 5, 2013
A Mumbai sessions court has acquitted former encounter specialist Pradeep Sharma in the Lakhan Bhaiyya case. Ramnarayan Gupta alias Lakhan Bhaiya, killed on Nov 11, 2006, was considered to be underworld don Chhota Rajan's close aide.
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IPL case: Bookie in touch with Dawood Ibrahim's Pakistani operator arrested
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Twenty years after the 1993 serial bombings in Mumbai, the Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the death sentence of Yakub Abdul Razak Memon, the brother of missing underworld don Ibrahim or "Tiger" Memon.
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In an unprecedented development, underworld don and India's most wanted criminal Dawood Ibrahim's younger brother Mustakim has in all likelihood escaped from Karachi and fled to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, say Mumbai police sources.
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Will on-line giving replace the collection plate?
If you think about, the offering plate is at once a ritual and a technology for collecting money. Ron Lieber of the New York Times asks how churches and synagogues are adapting to electronic giving and the decreasing reliance on cash.
He notes that Mormons fill out a form, hand it in and the church does the rest...automatically deducting your tithe from your bank account.
Synagogues collect dues. Episcopalians switched from pew rents to pledges at least a century ago.
"So as we approach a busy season for giving among believers" Liber says, "this is a good time to ask whether we've settled on a form of collection that is both efficient and meaningful."
Few things are more visceral than the collection plate, however, and it persists for many reasons. "The liturgical act of placing an offering of money into the offertory plate is understood to be a form of worship," said the Rev. Laurel Johnston, the officer for stewardship in the Episcopal Church. Episcopalians generally make annual pledges in the fall and fulfill them throughout the year through electronic payments or by making periodic payments via an envelope that they put in the collection plate.
Regular worshipers with a regular paycheck may also appreciate the formality of handing over hard currency each week if they believe in the idea of paying God first. Then, there are the parents who like the fact that their children see everyone else giving and can toss in a few coins of their own.
Finally, there's the peer pressure of having others' eyes on you as the plate goes around. "Some would call it Catholic guilt," said Matt Golis, a lifelong Catholic and chief executive of ParishPay's parent company, YapStone. Many churches that allow electronic giving encourage those who have used it to drop a symbolic receipt of sorts into the collection plate if they wish.
Matt Branaugh writing in Managing Your Church talks about the things to remember as a congregation takes on electronic giving.
A report issued in February by a major provider of fundraising technology and consulting services offers some helpful insights for church leaders as it relates to online giving.
In short: Use of online giving continued to grow in 2011, however, that growth remains small relative to total dollars given. Adding an online giving tool should be done to diversify options for givers and provide convenience for those who desire it. But it won't provide an instant remedy to any organization struggling to get its vision funded.
...Blackbaud's [2011 Online Giving] report paints a hopeful picture. Like anything else in ministry, online giving requires commitment, time, and tempered expectations. Churches already using this tool should evaluate their communication styles, follow through, and timing for effectiveness. Those who aren't should consider adding it as a way to diversify options for their members, especially younger ones—but they also should consider what improvements they need to make in communicating their vision, and the effects their current budgets have in changing lives, because merely providing online giving won't spur a flurry of new offerings all on its own.
No, on-line giving won't replace the collection plate.
1. Not everyone uses on-line services, not is it going to become universal any time soon. Not everyone in the country - not even all Episcopalians (gasp!) - are middle or upper class iPhone junkies. It's a little disconcerting that articles like this seem to assume Christianity is a hobby of the well-off.
2. The people quoted in the article are correct in that it's an act of worship. People used to bring their offering to church in kind; later, we substituted cash. In the unlikely event that cash becomes obsolete we'll start dropping something else into the plate, like a printed receipt of our online donation, as the article says some systems allow for now.
By the way, synagogues have never used collection plates because of prohibitions in handling money in the Sabbath, so their use of online resources isn't exactly parallel to churches'.
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IMHO, I think that having more options is a good thing. Generally, I like doing contributions via a credit card. I get the convenience of doing it and having automatic documentation of my giving. In addition, I may get other "perks" from the particular credit card. It is a "win/win" for me, although I understand the issue of the small commission fee lost with the electronic payment. As far as in-church giving, I remain astounded that we still do not have the ability to routinely accept credit card gifts "on the spot" in most churches. At this point, it is extremely easy to get up and running with credit card payments with something such as the easy Square service. There is the 2.75% commission, but it might make the difference between getting and not getting a payment. It would be very easy to give an usher an iphone with a free square reader and have him/her do any gifts. The financial outlay would be minimal and it would allow a "choice" in what is done. Plus, the person can get an immediate receipt and not have to "wait" for the regular statement from the church. I would particularly like it when I am out of town and "visiting" a church that I do not regularly attend. It may not be for everyone, but it is likely to be helpful for some people.
I'm in the stone age, relatively speaking but I can see young people wondering why it is a church wouldn't be set up to accept a donation from a smart phone during the Sunday service.
I have gotten to the point with online banking where I write nearly no checks, and praise the lord I can pay me pledge just I would my doctor or any other payee.
It's wise of my church to remind parishioners that this option is open to them with any online account. And there's not even a commission involved.
That said, I've not put my pledge payment on automatic monthly withdrawal.
I don't think this has anything to do with affluence. In my congregation, it correlates much more to age. Almost all of our electronic givers are under 40. My young adult children never have and never will own checkbooks and carry much less cash than older adults. I still appreciate the symbolic importance of the collection plate, but the fact is fewer and fewer people are going to be carrying around something to put in it. Our pledge numbers have held steady over the last few years, our plate numbers have decreased and our "special gifts" category has markedly increased.
Paying the pledge through online banking really IS the easiest for us. It does take a little of the worship experience away though when the plate comes around and you simply pass it on. Maybe drop in a prayer request?
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At Christ Church, Delavan, WI, we haven't "passed" a collection plate for the last 6+ years or more. We do have offering plates at a few of the entrances, and one as people come up for Communion, with a sign that says free will offerings accepted. But there is not the "shove the plate in yer face" kind of offering taken any more here during the offetory part of the service. Our offering is seen as more like "ourselves, our souls and bodies, to be a reasonable, holy, and living sacrifice" to God, and to others we can help with our gifts. Our pledge cards, although they are considered pledge gift cards for record keeping, are now called "Gift Certificates" each year, and a note on the card says to those who wish to make a annual gift to the Church, "If your gift should cease feeling like a gift, you should quit giving it. (but please inform the church office)" We have not gotten into credit or debit card giving, being a smaller parish, the fees seem to be too much for what we have thought wouldn't be used regularly. We may need to look at that more down the road as well however.
To me, our giving reflects our thanks to God. Some of us are still working into that kind of thanks, and as a Church treasurer for the last 30 years, I am blessed to often see how God touches hearts, minds and souls, which reflects in gratitude and giving in many ways ... treasure, time and talent.
Roberta, I can appreciate what your parish is trying to do, but having a collection plate en route to the communion rail seems far more "in your face" than passing the plate at the Offertory. I've seen that at one or two parishes before, and it somehow had a tollbooth feel about it.
Thank you for your comment Bill, I guess it's like any event ... you have to be there, to really know. Not at all a "tollbooth" thing. It's instead more like a Matthew 5:24 experience... "leave your sacrifice there at the altar. Go and be reconciled to that person. Then come and offer your sacrifice to God."


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Still making the kids' lunches every day because you think you "have to?" You may not realize it, but that behavior could be springing from an outdated belief that it's somehow "your job." Although rigid roles can make things more streamlined, they can also be limiting. So give up that — and these other 10 things — for a happier and less stressful union.
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