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mump boy wrote:batonless relay wrote:Death penalty for an accidental shooting? .
There is absolutely nothing accidental about this shooting. It remains to be seen if the result was accidental but the shooting was 100% intended.
Precisely right.
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Precisely right.
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Calm down. In your huff you don't realize that what you linked to has nothing to do with the twitter comment in your initial post and your sarcasm invalidates whatever point you're trying to make (but that would be my presumption that you're trying to make one). Neither you, nor I, have any idea of what Ms. Steenkamps flight/fight responses are when scared. I admit that I have no idea what happened that night but I'm tickled by all of you who are absolutely convinced that you do know what happened that night, yet you haven't flown to South Africa to submit testimony.
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It does seem a bit odd that Pistorius would move past the bed, not alert his girlfriend to get out of harms way, start screaming after leaving the bedroom to call the cops and to the person behind the door and the girlfriend...or anyone...would sit mute on the toilet.
That's just a bit too fantastic to believe.
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I understand there won't be a jury. Does South Africa's system resemble the US system in that the defense is to acquit the defendant no matter what or reduce the sentence if that is not possible? Likewise, is the prosecutor supposed to prove his or her case no matter what within the limits of the law?
If that is the case, I suspect most of our conjecture will be set aside quickly and most, if not all, of the really fantastical stories we have heard from the defense will be blown away.
Ultimately, there will be three professionals in the room who are under a tremendous amount of scrutiny and pressure to do their jobs and at least two of them will be under pressure to make sure this is absolutely clean.
Re: Inspector Clouseau is alive and well in Pretoria
Preposterous. If I sat on the toilet in the middle of the night and my wife came with a gun screaming to get out, I would say something like, "Are you nuts? It's me, no burglars here."
Re: Inspector Clouseau is alive and well in Pretoria
So what are the facts that are not in dispute? They appear to be:
* OP intended to kill the person inside the toilet
* OP achieved his intention
* OP shot and killed Reeva Steenkamp
* OP used a Glock pistol to shoot Reeva
* OP fired 4 bullets
* 3 of these bullets hit Reeva
And what is in dispute?
* OP says he thought it was a burglar in the toilet
* OP says he did not know it was Reeva in the toilet
* OP says he walked past the bed and did not notice Reeva was not there
* OP did not hear Reeva calling - after he yelled to Reeva, after shot 1, shot 2, shot 3, shot 4
* OP used the cricket bat to break the toilet door
* OP did not hit Reeva with the cricket bat
* The shots were fired from a height which would have required OP to have his legs on
* OP and Reeva were having a loud argument earlier in the night
* OP was in love with Reeva
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If I was living in SA, a place with frequent break-ins by violent criminals, and I was staying at my boyfriend's house, someone who is known for being wealthy and has received threats in the past, and if I was in the relative safety of a toilet inside a larger bathroom, and then I heard my boyfriend shouting that there was an intruder... my response would be to lock the door and keep quiet so the intruder doesn't know where I am.
We don't know if that is what happened or not, but it is possible that Reeva believed OP that there was an intruder, and was hidden in the bathroom to protect herself, having no idea that OP thought _she_ was the intruder. She may have died believing an intruder shot her.
I have a friend in South Africa. She and her husband have been hijacked twice, it is very common there. Last time it happened as her husband was pulling into the house (they have a gate, as do most middle class South Africans). She hid in the bathroom with her girls and tried desperately to nurse the baby to keep her quiet, while hearing her husband outside begging for his life. She says a person down the road from them has been robbed seven times and three people have been hijacked in the past three months. Most of the crime does not get reported by the press unless it is particularly violent, as it is so common. Almost everyone they know has been hijacked or robbed, and they know quite a few people who have been killed by robbers, some who were killed while resisting and some who were killed even though they weren't resisting. One of her friends was hijacked and barely got her kids out of the car in time. They don't normally take kids, but that happens too, there is always a market for human trafficking.
So yes, I think there is a _possibility_ that Reeva's fight or flight response to hearing her boyfriend hollering about an intruder would be to lock herself in the toilet and keep quiet.
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I think polevaultpower has put up the most credible scenario of how this incident played out.
It doesn't make any logical sense that OP decided to deliberately murder RS. OP strikes me as having traits of a paranoid schizophrenic.
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I think polevaultpower has put up the most credible scenario of how this incident played out.
It doesn't make any logical sense that OP decided to deliberately murder RS. OP strikes me as having traits of a paranoid schizophrenic.
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polevaultpower's point crossed my mind from the beginning. I'm more surprised that many of you couldn't have extended Pistorius that minuscule benefit of the doubt. Now Oscar Pistorius is a paranoid schizophrenic? Based upon what? If nearly everything you wrote is in dispute how could you possibly know that? You have examined him? I think, without having any idea whatsoever, that he was a man with a gun who was scared well beyond the area of expertise he was "trained" (trained himself) to deal with and things just went out of control. (individual gun owners routinely make [bad] choices to pull the trigger that a soldier or policeman would not make in the same circumstance)
Fact: Pistorius reports to authorities as part of bail conditions http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/fe ... ities-bail
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Blaming her death on the countless robbers and rapists and murderers in SA makes some sense if there were a few in his apartment that night. It would make near perfect sense if she were a cross fire casualty while he shot and killed a few of them. But they werent there and he didnt , rather he killed the one innocent person he was supposed to protect that night while perfectly alone in his apartment with her. If he blames this on a high crime rate in SA he is despicable.
Stat: the vast majority of female murders are committed by their boyfriends/husbands.
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Polevaultpower's explanation simply shows one plausible solution. However, if what has been reported is true, that of her skull having been fractured by the cricket bat, then that scenario is unlikely.
It is possible that in a fit of rage, he hit her in the head with the bat, she ran for protection and locked herself in the bathroom. Subsequently, either through her verbal communication or his realizing his life would forever be changed anyway he concocted the story and shot her through the door as some kind of excuse that the police/public might by.
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it is not refreshing to see that you're competing with polevaultpower's reasonable "explanation" by concocting something profane and outrageously extreme. She made a plausible scenario for why someone would remain quiet in the bathroom with the door locked and you continue to muddy the waters.
Re: Inspector Clouseau is alive and well in Pretoria
Looking at what is most likely, PVP's is a possible, but not likely, interpretation, given what we know. Actually, it seems to be absent what seems to be the case of the bat being used on her. That is up to forensics, but I think the new crew in charge out outmaneuvered OP and his team.
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We won't know until trial what the facts are about the bat, everything in the press right now is just rumors. It certainly appears that it will be a key piece of evidence either way.
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Profane and extreme? Are you kidding me?! What I proposed is no less plausible and far more likely. If you hold to the ideal that OP is innocent, cling to PVP's theory with all your might. But one day wake up to reality. There is almost nothing that can explain what happened in realistic way where he comes out innocent.
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Innocent? I never said that nor implied it. He has already admitted that he shot through the door. The only question is whether or not he knew Ms. Steenkamp was behind the door. He said that he didn't know Ms. Steenkamp was behind the door and I think that is reasonable. What is *not* reasonable is saying that he "concocted" the story when you can't possibly know that. what is *not reasonable* is saying that "there is nothing that can explain what happened..." when polevaultpower made a plausible explanation of what *could have* happened. (Please note that *could have* is emphasized so that it is not mistake with did) Some of us have tried to be reasonable from the start and some of you have made no attempt. So to answer your question: no, I am not kidding you.
Re: Inspector Clouseau is alive and well in Pretoria
Fine! You agree that you have no opinion and no wish to opine! So please cease from opining. I, on the other hand, will continue to engage my thinking processes.
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A reasonable supposition. There is still the nagging question of why OP decided to fire into a locked bathroom when all he heard was.....silence.
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big difference between saying that we have no idea what happened and whatever you believe "opine" to mean or it could be a reading issue for you so I don't want to sound mean. Is english your first language?
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If you read both threads you would see that I have been one to give OP the benefit of the doubt with PVP. She opined a plausible explanation, which is exactly what I did. I never spoke it as fact. Others have given their opinions as well. And to suggest hers is the only reasonable explanation for what happened is ludicrous. Unlike others, I, nor most of they, go into a hissy fit when they don't agree with other posters. This appears to be something you have a problem dealing with. So please make an attempt to calm yourself down. What are these message boards other than people discussing current events and their take on that. If you can't handle it, go to Letsrun where you can talk unabashedly and demean people to your hearts content.
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odell, unless please re-read your own posts and you will see that they are the quivalent of emotional outburst, not as bad as user4, but ... anyway, please calm down. Also until more information is added to the Pistorius case there will be nothing more for me to discuss with individual posters. Have a calm day, please. No need to get a heart attack.
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Another comment like that and you're on vacation. We don't take that kind of tone around here. Thanks.
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Yes, totally. I give odelltrclan my proxy vote on this thread.
The bottom line here is that no one deserves special pleading. The facts are there to be analyzed. If that is done properly, then the legal truth will emerge. But it goes without saying that Pistorius is beginning in something of a deep hole. And that his guilt or innocence is utterly unrelated to whether he is seen as some sort of track "hero" or not.
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Pistorius said that he was screaming at Reeva to call the police. How could she mistake that for a burglar and remain quiet in the bathroom?
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When a person is locked in a little bathroom with nowhere to hide and no way to run away and you shoot at that person 4 times (with 3 on target) then IMO, and probably in the opinion of most others, OP had the intention of killing that person.
And I believe in the tooth fairy
I am not saying that Reeva did call out. I am saying it is a possibility. OP says he called out to Reeva. He apparently says she never replied. PVP gave a plausible explanation which if true is a positive for OP. However, except for OP, no one will ever know. Only two people know if Reeva called out and one of those is dead. If Reeva did call out then OP is never going to admit that. So this possible scenario is something that is in dispute.
If OP deliberately killed Reeva then if that is love it is a love that is foreign to me. A person who is obsessed is not IMO in love. However, I am not making a judgement either way.I am just saying it is something in dispute. I imagine Reeva's family would dispute that OP was in love.
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Maybe she was brushing her teeth and didn't want to be bothered.
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Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion.
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it hard to tell the difference between what is real and not real;
I think that the above definitions of paranoia and schizophrenia fairly describe the actions that night of OP. I also note the many comments of OP's acquaintances in SA and around the world who have noted his obsession with guns and security. His recent application for another 6 pistols also lends weight to suggestions of paranoia and schizophrenia.
It would also seem that OP's best chances of getting off would be to plead mental instability because IMO, in concert with other posters, OP deliberately and with intent killed the person in the toilet. Whether ot not OP knew that person was Reeva will never be resolved by forensics. Only OP knows the truth on that particular issue. His version may well be true,but we will never know.
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Multiple gun ownership, at least in the USA, does not mean that someone is either paranoid or schizophrenic. I don't know if he had an obsession with guns or not, but, to me, it didn't seem that way. Depending on how entrenched one is within a gun culture, Pistorius may not have seemed that bad (i always take comments made after an incident with a huge grain of salt, not saying they're wrong, just that people are usually not qualified to make judgments about people that some clinicians have been known to get wrong.). Multiple guns and trips to shooting ranges are considered extremely normal in a lot of places in the USA (big debate going on about that right now). And that culture can run along all lines: race, socio-economic background, job title and gender.
I'm not sure if you've ever seen this video before but my limited knowledge of the athlete in it would not make me think, for one moment, that they were obsessed with guns even though there is a great chance that they own more than one (most avid gun owners own more than one gun).
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Of course there is a big difference! I have no idea about whether many things have happened, but why should that stop me trying to figure out something rationally? You have stated you know nothing about what happened, so leave those of us who want to wrestle with the case be and go on about your business of staying above the fray. And what was that about sarcasm?
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The problem I have with the Pistorius story as has been presented is the multiple angles which there are at least a few leaps beyond what would be considered normal. Based on his own words, he retrieved a gun from the bedroom. The same bedroom the girlfriend would have been sleeping in. If there were an intruder in the home, why would he not either notice her not in the bed or at least attempt to alert her to the fact that she needed to seek safety. That in itself, to me, is pretty bizarre. Then, when he begins to yell out to her to call the police....and why didn't he do that while in the bedroom in the first place.....he gets no answer and then he gets no answer from inside the bathroom...again why wouldn't she answer.....and then simply starts firing away.
One of these might be explainable but there are just too many to me to make any sense at all.
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Since he said he was in the bedroom where he supposedly thought she was sleeping, why did he wait until he was out of the bedroom to start screaming back into another room to call the police. Why didn't he tell her in the bedroom to call the police?
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If the only source for the story "that Reeva was locked quietly in a bathroom" when she was shot to death by her boyfriend is her boyfriend I can not see how one would make any inferences regarding his innocence based on that information.
Now if the forensics determine that she was actually quiet in the bathroom, trembling for fear to get away from an "intruder" rather than trembling to stay alive away from a raging nutty boyfriend, then there is some useful information in that fact.
Based on the eons history of mankind in these scenarios Ill bet that there was a raging nutty boyfriend.
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By his own farfetched account, the sounds of his girlfriend using his bathroom sent him into such a panic that he lost the ability to act rationally, such was his paranoia about home intruders. Yet, if he was really so paranoid that the armed patrols and other neighborhood security measures didn't satisfy him, why was his property not protected by a fence, and his windows and doors not barred? Why didn't he have an activated alarm system? Just one more thing in his story that makes no sense.
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But this scenario is far more plausible and the one that i'm going with at the moment
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Why were the police called previously and that night ?
How and why did burglars manage to climb in a bathroom window on (at least) the 2nd floor, in a gated community that hadn't had a break in for 5 years ??
Why would they lock themselves in a bathroom cubicle ?
If they had, why not fire a warning shot ?
Why not call the police ?
We've already gone over, why not tell your girlfriend ?
How does a cricket bat help you break down a door ?
Not confirmed but why where the shots at a downwards angle ?
Whatever the content, why did he have syringes ?
Why did he carry her downstairs ?
How did his dad and agent get to the house before the police ?
I may not live in SA but i do live in a particularly dodgy part of London and i have a spare room that different models stay on all the time. There is not a scenario in the world in which i wake up and hear noises in the bathroom and assume it's robbers rather than the other people in my house.
I don't live in a gated community and the other people aren't sleeping in the bed next to me but it is inconceivable that i would indiscriminately shoot at persons unknown !!
His story is so full of holes it's a joke, it sounds like something he came up with on the back of fag packet between calling his agent and the police
Even if i'm totally wrong and it was all a big accident, he still deserves to be locked up for years anyway
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somehow, this is all starting to have the touch and feel of a creative writing class
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Oscar Pistorious has held a "private' memorial for Reeva,
http://news.sky.com/story/1057309/pisto ... -for-reeva
yet manages to tell the whole world about it !!
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analyzing the machinations of a bald-faced liar is a fools errand.
firing a warning shot is usually not a good idea in a residential environment. The great efficacy of a firearm is that you can instantly stop a murderer. Guns should never be used unless innocent life is in great and immediate danger and you are certain that you are shooting to stop a violent crime. That is a rough summary approximation, in common language, of the law in most states in the US . SA may vary from this but I doubt by very much. I dont own a gun but I have read many cases where women have saved their lives and the lives of their children during a home invasion with the use of a firearm. It might be said that the best defense against rape or murder that a woman has is a firearm, not her boyfriend.
he was in the process of murdering her.
you are a reasonable person.
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OP said that she did not call out; we are missing her testimony. His testimony can be checked for consistency and feasibility, but little that he says can readily be taken as reliable in any normal, or legal sense.
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Framboise - Selin's Grove Brewing Company
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Ratings: 74 | Reviews: 43 | Show All Ratings:
4.01/5 rDev -7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25
On tap at the brewery.
Appearance: deep murky purple with a lighter purple head. One of the more striking looking beers I've seen.
Nose: Pure raspberry puree. There's a hint of malts hiding in the background but just imagine the richest raspberry dessert you've ever had and that's what you've got.
Taste: Intensely, overwhelmingly raspberry. A bit sweeter than I expected with much less tartness. If they did a wild/lacto-ed version of this it would be incredible. For someone who doesn't really like overly berry-forward things, I still found this to be an incredibly rich and tasty brew. Oh yeah there's a bit of breadiness under the berries but it's barely noticable.
Mouthfeel: I wish it was a bit fuller, but overall pretty nice.
Overall: Impressive that this much raspberry flavor can be pumped into a beer. Definitely something I'd only want once, but I'm glad to have tried one and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Serving type: on-tap
02-25-2013 01:29:02 | More by fdig23
4.26/5 rDev -1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25
The beer pours a deep rusty maroon capped by an inch of a creamy neon pink head that laces. The nose is fresh picked, sweet raspberries, almost too sweet for my taste. As expected, the sweetness packs an even bigger punch in the taste, but blends well with the hearty raspberries and malt. It reminds me of blushing monk, but is definitely different (side-by-side?). This beer drinks with a near full body, slightly under carbonated, with sweet raspberries up front followed by an unexpected tannin-like bitterness in the finish. It's quite balanced and doesn't drink overly sweet. This beer is worth trying at the brewery and much better than their IPA in my opinion.
Serving type: growler
02-17-2013 03:04:56 | More by ThePorterSorter
3.69/5 rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5
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(Review #2112)
Dark ruby red pour, either it was opaque or just appeared to be in the dim light of the bar. The beer was pretty flat, no head at all, and little to no noticeable bubbling. Well it is supposed to be a Flanders red and not a genuine framboise (though I don't really know why they call it that anyway). Sweet raspberry aroma, slightly acidic (acetic), earthy. Taste was full of raspberry puree, mostly sweet with a touch of vinegar tartness, bready malts and some earthiness. Syrupy mouthfeel, low carbonation made it pretty mellow. Not bad, but not nearly as good as the kriek.
Serving type: on-tap
02-11-2013 01:57:58 | More by Rifugium
3.5/5 rDev -18.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25
Big thanks to DaveHack for this pour.
This poured out as a vibrant red color with basically no head or retention. The smell of the beer has a big sweet raspberry aroma, lots of sugar in there. The taste of the beer is very sweet, lots of syrupy raspberry. The flavor isn't very tart. The mouthfeel of the beer is light bodied with a healthy carbonation. Overall it's very sweet, possibly appealing to a lot of people. I enjoyed it but not something I'll need again.
Serving type: growler
01-09-2013 23:44:30 | More by Knapp85
4.33/5 rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Poured from a fresh growler into a tulip glass. Has a really nice pink hue with a link pink head. Raspberry aroma hits the nose first and it is nice and powerful, not much else going on. The first sip hits the tongue and its tart raspberry and some sweetness from the malt. They work very well together. The beer is not overly sweet, the tartness of the raspberries keeps everything is check. It has a nice smooth medium to full bodied mouth feel. Carbonation was on the lighter side. I really enjoyed this beer. .
Serving type: on-tap
01-06-2013 15:39:22 | More by cps98
4.53/5 rDev +5.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5
Had this on 2013-01-05 in Norristown, PA
A - Opaque purple with a 1/2-finger light purple/pinkish head a light lacing.
S - Tart, pungent, essence of raspberries. Not sweet swelling. Don't detect much else.
T - Tart raspberry wallops the tongue. There's just enough of a malt backbone to let you know you are drinking beer. They must have used a whole field of raspberries to make this beer. It's not sweet like a Lindemans. I'm at a loss for words to describe how good this is. I'd have it as an aperitif, with a meal and for desert.
M - Medium body and light carbonation. Sticky, prickly and I think I got some raspberry seeds stuck in my teeth. Just right.
O - This is sublime. I hearby declare this the best fruit beer I have ever had. Tops their own Phoenix Kriek and I agree with the previous reviewer, it tops the New Glarus Raspberry Tart. Wow.
Serving type: growler
01-05-2013 23:29:14 | More by Tucquan
New York
4.68/5 rDev +8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5
Been chasing this one ever since I had the Kriek and then heard about this. 64oz. growler into a Cigar City snifter.
Pours a .5 finger purple pink head that dissipates quickly. Beer is a striking, clear, dark purple. Lacing is patchy and sparse with ok stick. Solid.
Nose is straight raspberry pulp and seed. Fruity and very robust. Exactly as it should be.
Opens sweet crushed raspberries. A slight booziness is detectable here and there but fruit is powerful and dominant. Not overly sweet though. Nice tartness blends in and finishes with a raspberry seed bitterness. Sweet and tart fruit finish. Perfect.
Light to medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Prickly, silky and sticky in the mouth and goes down slightly boozy and dry. Messy finish with a long, lingering aftertaste. Again, very, very good.
Probably the best fruit beer out there. And as a pair, Selin's Grove's Kriek and Framboise outperform Raspberry Tart and Belgian Red. Do yourself a favor and go get this. It's an experience.
Serving type: growler
12-24-2012 02:46:56 | More by SpeedwayJim
4.18/5 rDev -3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5
A - The body was cloudy and showcased a dark ruby hue...the head was one finger tall and pink in color...the creamy head fell to a thin cap and left attractive lacing
S - Sweet raspberries...earthy tone brings some dirt...candied sugar and other Belgian-esque spices
T - The raspberries do not hide themselves...there is an initial blast of sweetness from the raspberries...towards the middle they give off a tartness and that sets in for the finish...some winey characteristics are coming across...drying Belgian spices and yeast are lingering in the background
M - Medium bodied...smooth, soft carbonation, more tart than sweet
O - This is a very nice fruit beer...it's not as sweet as a lambic, so don't go expecting that...the raspberries do their job of being tart and sweet and provide enough flavor throughout
Serving type: on-tap
01-24-2012 13:41:48 | More by thain709
4.55/5 rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5
To me the gold standard of American (heck, world!) framboises is New Glarus Raspberry Tart. We happened to be driving up the Susquehanna and found the Selin's Grove, and of course had to try the framboise, thinking... no, *hoping*... that it could be ask good as the NGRT. Well colour me red and stick me with thorns! It is as good if... dare I say it?... better! Gads this is a wonderful beer. It is not, apparently, strictly a lambic but a raspberry ale (I'll have to learn that difference better). Smooth, low-head, sweet-tart just like a raspberry should be. My wife's description was 'feels like you got hit in the face with a raspberry". Yep, that's about it. The largest problem with this is that is is SO quaffable one might not get up after a couple. Try it!
Serving type: on-tap
01-22-2012 16:21:01 | More by sawsyon
New Jersey
4.43/5 rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Color is between red and purple, thin cap of purple tinted white froth. Scent is of pure, fresh raspberry puree, quite strong and tart, light sugary sweetness. Taste follows scent, raspberry puree, a notch lighter than nose dictated, lightly sweet notes linger, but not overly sweet like many other fruit beers. Medium to full bodied, smooth, light carbonation leads to light creaminess. Highly drinkable, one of the few in the style worthy of multiple glasses at a sitting.
Serving type: on-tap
12-30-2011 00:34:35 | More by rfgetz
4.63/5 rDev +7.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4
A - Two fingers worth of fluffy slightly off white colored head... Decent retention... Ruby red in color with a faint glow and some aubergine highlights... A couple of stray carbonation bubbles...
S - Sweet sultry raspberries and a lot of them... Perhaps even some faint strawberry notes mixed in as well... A bit sugary, perhaps some faint brown sugar notes... A very slight tartness...
T - Sweet raspberry jam... A touch of candied sugars... Mostly sweet overall with just a slight bit of tartness on the palette...
M - On the lighter side of medium bodied... A bit dense... A bit sticky as well... Fills the mouth evenly...
D - Yet another outstanding offering from Selin's Grove... Perhaps just a slight bit cloying overall... Even and consistent sip after sip... I would drink this on any occasion and recommend fellow BAs do the same...
Serving type: on-tap
12-29-2011 04:19:05 | More by philbe311
4.1/5 rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5
Poured from a 2L growler into a tulip. Thanks to Dunt for bringing this over.
Appearance: There is no color to call this besides raspberry red. Solid all the way through, like it was a glass of raspberry juice. A small off-white head sits on top and fades to nothing as the glass goes on.
Smell: Sweet raspberries. A little bit of tartness at the end. Nothing else really presents itself.
Taste: The flavor starts out sweet and syrupy with a strong raspberry flavor. The raspberry flavor carries all the way through, blotting out any other flavors. If anything, it is a little sweeter than a raspberry, with just a little bit of tartness toward the end.
Mouthfeel: Sweet and a little syrupy, with light carbonation and a fuller than medium body.
Overall: Good raspberry beers rank among my favorite style, and this definitely tastes like sweet raspberries, but there is just not the complexity to really drive this beer into the great category.
Serving type: growler
12-14-2011 03:37:52 | More by KickInTheChalice
4.25/5 rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4
I had this poured from a growler during the bottle share at the Jackie O's bottle release. Poured into a sample glass.
Appearance: Pours a reddish dark brown with a mild amount of pink head that goes away.
Smell: Sweet, floral raspberries dominate. Just a hint of tartness. Simple yet fantastic.
Taste: Sweet but tart. Tons of raspberry. This is a really good fruit beer.
Mouthfeel: The body is on the thick side of medium with a tingle of carbonation and a dry finish.
Overall: This is a really nice raspberry beer. Would be a super brunch beer. Easy to drink.
Serving type: growler
12-05-2011 04:10:34 | More by oline73
3.83/5 rDev -11.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Growler shared by someone, I think Jason.
A - Very deep ruby color, little bit of purple on the edges. Great dark colored and purplish head on it that left some fantastic lace. Awesome looking beer.
S - Smells sweet, with a lot of rich raspberries and maybe a bit of sugar. Some slight earth tones.
T - A decent bit of tartness, with a lot of raspberries, although they are a bit sugary and like candy. That is not a bad taste, but seems to take it more from a great raspberry beer to something slightly artificial. Finish is a bit like chemicals.
M - Syrupy, lower carbonation, medium bodied but somehow feels heavier.
O - Some real positive things for this beer. It's good, great in some areas, but could still be improved upon.
Serving type: growler
11-18-2011 18:32:45 | More by AgentZero
4.1/5 rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 5
Served on tap into a tulip
A- pours a very dark reddish purple with a really nice looking, one finger lavender head, which fades very quickly. I adore the color of the head, it's really special
S- the aroma is of raspberries, but not very strong. What I am getting is very good though
T- the flavor is of tart raspberries. I'd like it a little more tart, actually. Might be a little too sweet. Very good, regardless
M- body is a little on the thin side, but I wouldn't want anything thicker with the strong flavors in this one
D- oh hell yeah. New Glarus Raspberry Tart is one of my favorite beers, and while this isn't better than that, it's pretty damn close
Serving type: on-tap
01-29-2011 14:59:18 | More by bigfnjoe
3.75/5 rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
Growler. Poured into a tulip glass a murky, bright maroon color with minimal head that collars around the glass. The head is actually a light pink color. The aroma is all raspberry, almost like I am smelling a raspberry jelly! The taste is massively sweet with some minimal bitterness in the end similiar to biting down on a raspberry seed or something like that.Really not that tart at all. Light/medium mouthfeel with some carbonation. It does have an odd taste in it that I can't quite put my finger on though that throws it off slightly for me. The 6.5% is not even noticeable at all over all the fruit flavors. Extremely easy drinking. Minimal lace at all. Well, it's good if you just LOVE raspberries but its almost a little to much. Given the choice I would prefer the New Glarus raspberry beer over this.
Serving type: growler
01-22-2011 23:56:03 | More by kbutler1
South Carolina
3.73/5 rDev -13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
Had at Hobo Tasting #2 with mikesgroove. Big thanks to Mike for sharing this one with me! Served from growler into a Duck-Rabbit snifter. Poured a hazy deep dark red with a minimal white head. There was no lacing evident throughout the glass. The aroma was comprised of sweet malt and raspberries. The flavor was of sweet malt and big raspberries. It had a light feel on the palate with low carbonation. Overall this brew made me actually yell 'raspberries, raspberries, raspberries!' upon my first sip. It was a nice brew, but good lord raspberries... I would have loved to see some other flavors going on here for sure. Just too much missing in both the aroma and flavor to call this a good brew. It is worth trying if you like Krieks and raspberries, but that is about it.
Serving type: growler
01-17-2011 17:27:01 | More by thagr81us
South Carolina
3.78/5 rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
hobo tasting number two at the main street pub. shared with calton as always.
the pour was really nice, pours out a deeply clouded and hazed raspberry color, little in the way of head but soo thick looking, almost like puree you could not see anything at all through this. aroma is raspberries, i have never smelled sooo many in my life. its was like straight juice with little to nothing in the way of beer or alcohol at all. no tartness, nothing just sweet juice in the aroma. this carried over into the flavor but to a fault. there was no tartness and nothing in the way of anykind of alcohol at all. incredibly drinkable, however it just was too one sided, too much in the way of juice and fruit and not enough beer, tartness, sourness, or anything else to offer it balance. it really was like puree of raspberries.
overall the most over powering fruit i have ever come across in a beer, but almost to a fault. needed a little bit more to balance it.
Serving type: growler
01-16-2011 04:47:34 | More by mikesgroove
4.2/5 rDev -2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Received this growler in a great trade with Stakem.. Thanks a bunch Adam!! A fantastic trade from front to back.
Shared with the normal peeps.. Pours sorta muddy red brownish.. pinkish head.
The brew is thick raspberry.... sorta jammy... big and sweet with plenty.... tons... TONS .. of fruit...
Flavor is more of the same... but in liquid form... great red raspberry on the palate... bordering on "tooo much".... how is that possible? Try it for yourself.... raspberry jam and still some background "beer flavor", but don't kid yourself, this is fruity and unapologetic.
I have no idea how the brewers pack so much fruit flavor in this growler without ever seeming artificial... always natural and always pleasing.... amazing really.
It would be epic to pair this up against a Lou Pepe and a New Glarus.... good times for sure. Thanks again Adam.... badass.
Serving type: growler
01-09-2011 09:38:49 | More by JohnGalt1
4.03/5 rDev -6.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5
Michael Thorpe coming through again, keeping me stocked up on the best of the Selin's Grove stable...Growler poured into a "perfect" pint glass...A dark blood red purple color, really beautiful. A light purple head, great retention and lacing, awesome...Great aroma os sweet raspberries(like you took some raspberries and squeezed them in your hand), sugar notes that are a touch candyish, with a tart finish. A little more tart then Raspberry tart, but still wish it was a stronger...The taste is a little of a letdown, the raspberries aren't as sweet and don't come off as "real" as the aroma, but its more tart so its meeting some of wants on the nose. The tart is a little take to me, slightly medicinal raspberry finish.
I'm being picky, but this is damn good, and really easy to drink. Try this.
Serving type: bottle
01-01-2011 21:24:46 | More by jrallen34
4.5/5 rDev +4.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5
Review from notes take at the brewpub on 12/8/10.
Poured into a sort of goblet, this brew appears a cloudy ruby color. A finger's worth of pinkish stained head appears and holds relatively strong. It recedes slowly leaving a curtain of lace all about the glassware.
The aroma of this brew smells of ripe raspberry with a light spice to the backend and a smooth sweetness is evident reminiscent of vanilla. It has a light earthy component to it that smells vaguely grassy as the brew warms.
The taste is all natural raspberry flavor upfront that has a perfect blend of sweetness verse tartness. It includes an earthy component but overall very fruity. Like the nose suggested there is a familiar smoothness that I attribute to vanilla in this brew without it coming right out and tasting like it. There is little to no indication of hops in this brew however it takes on a lightly toasted malt flavor as it warms up.
This brew has awesome drinkability, there is no problem throwing a couple of these back. It is medium in body with a light level of carbonation. I'm not a huge fan of fruit beers but I'll give them a try from time to time. If I needed to drink a fruit beer, I would be perfectly content with accepting any of the fine examples coming out of SGB. This brew can best be compared to the likes of NG: raspberry tart, however I enjoyed this one much more.
Serving type: on-tap
12-27-2010 20:50:43 | More by stakem
4.48/5 rDev +3.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5
Had this on-tap at the Selin's Grove 14th anniversary party. Served into a goblet.
A - Pours deep, dark, red with a bright red, borderline pink, head that leaves light lacing down the glass.
S - Lots of tart raspberries up front that remain thru the duration. A touch of bready, doughy, malt from the base beer helps balance it a bit but this one is all about the fruit. A touch dull when first poured but it gets better and better as it warms.
T - The huge blast of tart raspberries up front is delicious. As they begin to let up you get some sweetness and you begin to pick up some of the breadyness from the base beer. It is a perfect compliment to all the sweet, tart, raspberries. Finish is more raspberry tartness that lingers for some time, but in a good way. Why can't all fruit beers be this way? Easily one of the best.
M - Medium body and flavor with moderate carbonation. Creamy feel with a bit of lingering tartness from the raspberries. This one is smooth as velvet with just the right amount of sweetness. The sweetness does take its tole over the course of an entire glass. I recommend this for desert.
O - Very, very, nice beer. I could put a few of these back no problem. A nearly perfect mix of tart raspberries and sugary sweetness. When it comes to fruit beers, Selin's Grove can literally do no wrong. From this Framboise to the kriek and saison de peche, all are world class and some of the best in the style. If you have a chance to try any of them I suggest you do, you will not regret it.
Serving type: on-tap
12-27-2010 00:02:04 | More by orangesol
District of Columbia
4.13/5 rDev -4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Thanks to Brandon Chaney for hooking me up with a growler of this.
A: The beer looks pretty, and unsurprisingly appears the exact color of raspberries. There is a pinkish head of an eighth inch. This recedes hastily, leaving virtually no lacing behind. The carbonation level appears to be fairly low.
S: The aroma is all about raspberries.
T: The flavor is mostly sweet, with a slight tartness that occurs naturally from the raspberry itself. There's a lot of fruit in this brew!
M: The feel is medium bodied and coats the palate. The beer isn't syrupy or viscous, per se, but does feel dense, in a way.
D: A good offering and very enjoyable.
Serving type: growler
12-25-2010 01:46:20 | More by Huhzubendah
4.47/5 rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5
Selin's Grove Framboise has a body with shades of purple and red, and a small pinkish head that manages to leave one or two spots on my glass.
This beer smells like raspberries. There isn't a whole lot more to say; fresh, tart, sweet and juicy. Nice.
The raspberries provide both sweetness and tartness and are completely dominant in this beer, and it's great. If you really try to look you can taste a hint of what seems like Belgian yeast in the background, adding just a hint of spice. Mostly, I would guess that although you don't taste the yeast, it is responsible for adding just a hint of dryness to the beer and keeping it from being cloying. Whether the yeast is responsible or not, this beer is certainly not cloying, it is mostly tart and a little sweet and very good.
Lively, ever so slightly effervescent carbonation keeps this beer from becoming syrupy, because the body is surprisingly big on this one.
You can try to sip, you can try to savor, but you will catch yourself gulping.
Serving type: growler
12-21-2010 17:44:34 | More by Hojaminbag
District of Columbia
4.4/5 rDev +2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5
I went up to Selin's Grove to sample the goods after Troegs Splinter Black day. What a peaceful trek!
A: Poured a dark reddish-purple, almost maroon color, with a small, yet deadly Willy Wonka-style purple head that stayed active throughout the session. The brew had a milky quality to its appearance that was to die for!
S: Insane amount of tart raspberries, with a hint of vanilla to hold this dessert all together.
T: Very full raspberry delight with just the right amount of organic sourness. The foaminess only added to the enjoyment and aided in cutting through some of the fat.
M: Well carbonated, chewy, and enough suds to remind you that you are drinking a beer as opposed to a lambic. I couldn't image a better mouthfeel for this style.
D: I got to try the Phoenix Kriek as few weeks ago and was totally blown away. I feel the same way about this one.
Serving type: on-tap
12-16-2010 12:56:50 | More by Chaney
Framboise from Selin's Grove Brewing Company
94 out of 100 based on 74 ratings.


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Our auto industry is falling apart piece by piece
The sad reality is we can expect many more closures similar to the collapse this morning of Australian car manufacturing supplier Autodom.
And in an industry that thrives on having parts delivered "just in time", the impacts of such closures are going to get worse, not better.
As the number of Australian-made cars declines, so too do the chances for local suppliers to survive. Most of the 300 or so companies that make the 5000 or so parts that make up a new car must sell to all three local makers – Holden, Ford and Toyota – just to stay in business.
For example, did you know the seat rail in each car comes from the same factory, and the chrome badges from another who sells to all three?
That's because a factory that makes 200,000 parts for all three brands is more viable than one that makes 80,000 parts for just one car maker.
It's also why, unofficially, Toyota and Holden don't want Ford – the most precarious of the three given its weakest output – to go under, because it will mean a new round of supplier negotiations. Here and overseas.
As sales of locally-made cars decline, locally-made parts effectively become dearer because the suppliers need to raise their prices, per part, to recoup their significant investment.
But that makes them dearer than overseas suppliers – which in turn puts Australian car makers at a price disadvantage, because their cars are then more costly to build. And so the downward spiral continues.
It's why critical mass is crucial – and Australia is struggling. Australia now has one of the smallest manufacturing bases in the developed world. Ford is on track to produce 33,000 vehicles this year, Holden 80,000 and Toyota 90,000.
Most efficient car factories globally work on a bare minimum, break-even point of 200,000 units a year. Even Porsche builds more than that – and its cars are much more profitable.
As local suppliers fall over, a cash register rings in Thailand, China or anywhere else in the world for that matter.
Australian supplier factories might be pleased about making 200,000 widgets – but there are any number of other factories around the world that can make the same widgets to the same quality for the same or less money because they're making them by the millions.
Calls by some in government and the industry to encourage local suppliers to export to remain viable are naïve when the Australian dollar is so strong. They don't have a chance.
Which is why the Federal Government has set aside $5 billion to assist local car makers and their suppliers over 10 years.
While many question the return on the taxpayer's investment, the $5 billion question remains: will the Australian car industry ever be able to survive without handouts – especially while the dollar is at record highs?
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Steve says:
Time to pull the pin on the Australian car industry.
Just like we stopped making TVs years ago, never ever started making laptops, and wouldn't even contemplate an iPad factory today.
Stop the subsidies to companies, and use that money to re-train the workers if they want it.
AdamC says:
Australia's automotive sector is hopelessly uncompetitive and has done practically nothing to reverse that situation. It was marginal, at best, when the Aussie dollar was at 60 US cents ten years ago. At around parity, it is terminal.
Governments should just allow it to die. By continually chucking money down the car industry sinkhole, they are conning people into entering unsustainable careers in sector that nobody seriously thinks will exist in even five years, let alone the decades to come.
Fiddler says:
let it die. Then we can all start paying what the rest of the world does for far better cars (hopefully, I'm sure we'll still get ripped off)
Pattem says:
It doesn't help when, comparatively speaking, Ford and Holden build inferior quality cars at non-competitive prices.
Why buy a current model Ford Falcon with a body design from 2000 or earlier, with an engine build quality worse than any Japanese make and/or model (same size or smaller), and which price wise, cannot compete?
You get so much more "bang for your buck" by buying Japanese.
David V. says:
I think a more thoughtful analysis is needed as to why this is the case. The UK and USA badly screwed up their car industries after 1970 and it was all of their own doing, due to lousy product put out in the 70s and 80s and foreign competition which was far superior to them. In Australia, our local cars were NEVER as bad as those, so we were lucky. However, our industry once catered to an autochthonous protected market (as did many other countries' industries now dismantled or globalised), which is increasingly (sadly) anachronistic in our globalised world.
Holden will be better off mostly because it plays a role in the GM empire and can fill a gap in global product lines (exports to the Middle East, where Arabs love American-style big cars that can cope with their conditions). Ford has declined notably in profile. In retrospect, despite at times offering better product than Holden, Ford has never recovered from the EA debacle of 1988. It's like they've given up trying to compete with Holden.
Even Japan isn't what it used to be, for cars. Their automotive prowess has declined notably in the last decade and a half, while Korea's has risen. Seen a Hyundai Genesis or Equus, or Ssangyong Chairman lately? Nice cars.
expat says:
You have to let the industry either compete on its own merits or fail.
Australian car's (commodore & falcons) are so poor in quality and design that everyone considers a basic BMW 3 as a "luxury" car…. Everywhere else in the world a BMW 3 is as common place as the commodore for an every day sedan. (priced accordingly as well).
Yorkey says:
I got a start in my working life doing an apprenticeship at Holden in the 1980's. Even then school mates were warning me "it's a dying industry". Ive since worked in whitegoods, defense, and mining industries. I've also had to dismantle factories and machinery, packed them into shipping containers and sent them offshore with the workers jobs disappearing.
It always amazes me that the same people driving their European cars going home to their European appliances are the first ones to scream at the working class to "GET A JOB"!
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Carbon pricing in Australia will be the death knell not just for car industries but for all manufacturing Australia wide because they are already battling to stay above debt because of higher wagers and overheads compared to the entire world, universe and the milky way galaxy.
Uncompetitive taxes make manufacturing in Australia impossible and until this current Gillard government realises this there is no hope.
stephen says:
It is not the dollar which is hurting our cars, but the cars themselves.
The sedans such as the commodore and falcon were designed to get a family of 4 from Melbourne to Sydney, but now they could fly there, and for half the cost, (assuming motels were used).
Families do not even travel together, mostly, yet Ford and Holden have continued with these behemoths that use too much fuel, are cumbersome around town, look ugly and are distinctly old-fashioned.
Even 3 years Ford got a sniff that the SUV was the future,(after they canned their wagon) then decided to make the Territory but dithered over model configurations until the buying public took their money elsewhere to Korea and Japan.
Holden has done better, but I'm not so sure about the new Opels.
We need many more Opel models to choose from, and australian drivers will not suffer less than 150KW in a sporty car, so that renault look-a-like they have for sale has best get some horns.
The family wagon and sedan is dead, but you would think that with our sunshine, a convertible would sell like pies - so where are they ?
Only the Astra is available, but with a bigger backside than Julia at the piano, I reckon it would, if given a glass hood, make a very good aquarium.
I used to defend local cars as an example of local design and culture, but all I see are examples of poor design, stupid marketing, and a sometimes shoddy manufacturing process.
I've seen the new Hondas, and they seem fine.
Same with the Mazda 3, the Volvo c30 has to be the best car under 40 grand, and the Subaru is excellent, allround.
If only better CEOs' were sent here from Detroit, but with a mission.
Don says:
Thanks for your article Joshua .
Subsidies are killing our industries - not saving them. We are paying for absence of innovation, the complete opposite ingredient for successful car manufacture, design and market.
The 'home grown car' mentality was a valid one, and needed gov support in the early days- it was a symbol of nationalism and pride. But everyone else has moved on, we realised government intervention was a restricting factor, rather than a conducive one.
Government subsidies = dinosaur industries.
Tom says:
Just buy the cars and the industry survives. Simple. There's nothing wrong with them, they actually compete with the imports much better than ever before and suit us like they always have. But fine, if you don't want to support thousands of local jobs and local design, then let it die. But I'm not.
Jimmy says:
Exactly Tom.
Our local made vehicles are defintely competetitive these days.
Unfortunately in follows years of being behind Europe and Japan's best efforts..and after relaxed trade agreeements and tarrifs opened up our doors and shores to cheap vehicles AND components.
For too long 'Australian Made' has been allowed to represent 'Australian Assembled'.
Where are government controls to restrict amount of imported components to build an Australian product or "Aussie Icon'.
Sorry for the rant…I'm an(is/was) AutoDom worker and today has been fairly tough.
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Too bad, you bunch of terrorist punks.
You lose again.
Just like always.
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"I have kids and I want to see them grow up," she said. "I don't think we'll ever come back to Boston. It's just too risky."
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"The terrorists won the day after the marathon, but that victory was short-lived," the e-mail said. "… We will absolutely return to Boston next year. … It should come as no surprise that taking on a combination of marathoners and Bostonians is never a good idea."
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"It is ironic that these cowards would attack marathon runners, the most optimistic and perseverant people on the planet," David Murphy wrote in the e-mail. "These are individuals that think nothing of waking up at 4:30 a.m. for a 15-mile run before going to work and participate in an activity that is considered punishment to athletes in other sports.
"The bombings are a microcosm of marathoner's mentality. Fear is telling us not to run but our heart is telling us we will run."
Included in the e-mail was a picture of David and Danielle crossing the finish line in Boston, holding hands and smiling with an American flag proudly flapping in the background. The picture is symbolic in many ways. It represents love, companionship, courage, patriotism.
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Take that, you bunch of terrorist cowards.
You lose again.
As someone wise once wrote about marathoners: "The thirst you feel in your throat and lungs will be gone minutes after the race is over; the pain in your legs within days; but the glory of your finish will last forever."
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