Expected arrival times for Apple products - anti-pattern http://arrival.io <comment><AUTHOR> Is this just scraping <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/> ?

<comment> anti-pattern I've looked at their data, but I believe I've dropped some things that they consider releases. The whole thing is kind of subjective as to what constitutes a release or not. But no, I didn't just scrape their site. I compiled my own data from a variety of different freely available sources.

<comment><USER2> Might I ask why you built your own, knowing there was an almost identical offering in place for years? For example, did your different choice of releases cause a statistically significant shift in arrival times? I imagine you've done analysis comparing your approach to theirs.

<comment> anti-pattern I built my own because their design, and I mean literally the way they visualize the data, isn't very good. Or rather, it's not as good as it could be. They even updated the design a year or two ago and all they did was give it a coat of paint, rather than rethinking how to best visualize the data.

<comment><USER2> That's a great reason! I agree their design sucks and yours is orders of magnitude more usable.

It's just too bad that you have to re-collect the same data. N historically up-to-date data sources for N designs is just unscalable.

<comment> anti-pattern Indeed. Maybe I'll post the data on GitHub or something.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> This site is a rip off of the work that macrumors has been doing for several years.

See: <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/>

At the very least they should provide a credits link somewhere on their page.

<comment> anti-pattern Actually, the entire reason I made this site was because I thought the way MacRumors visualized the data wasn't very good. If they had done a better job, I wouldn't have needed to make this.

As for credit... what should I be crediting them for? I'm just collecting a list of dates and then visualizing the data.

<comment><USER3> A simple link at the bottom saying, "inspired by macrumors.com buyers guide" would go a long way towards giving credit to the original concept. You can even even embed the url, so it's just a small font, "inspired _by_ " to keep the page clean.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com> is helpful, too.

<comment> anti-pattern Yep, I've used that for a little while, but I wasn't a fan of the design, and I didn't think they visualized the information as well as they could have, so I made a new one :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> This is a great idea, and is especially pertinent to Mac fans who care about the hardware they are using.

Since Apple does not discount old hardware (even with 2-3 year old video cards, they charge the same amount as a brand new updated mac the very next week[1]), people buying a Macbook pro at the wrong end of the timeline can get totally shafted on equipment, especially from a price-per-performance view.

That feels a little dishonest to me, but most people don't seem to mind, and its not as if the hardware they are selling is ever _bad_ , it will just be twice as good next week, and sold for the exact same price.

So it seems that it is one again one of the worst times to buy a Macbook pro.

[1] I wrote two articles in 2010, one in Feb and one in April, which detailed the times as the worst and best to buy an MBP, comparing prices and hardware. Only really interesting for posterity: <http://simonsarris.com/blog/19-mac- envy> <http://simonsarris.com/blog/22-mac-envy-2>

<comment><USER6> They just discounted the rMBP (and updated the processors mildly). I don't understand what they could possibly update it with further, given that Haswell will not be released for many more months.

<comment><USER7> Exactly. The sample size here is way too small to make good predictions for most products. Even if you thought you could rely on the yearly cadence for i* devices, bam, Apple releases a fairly substantial iPad upgrade 6 months after the first Retina model.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Those are rather specific predictions to have without any measure of variance. About 57 days ± 30 days would be more useful information to have (if that fits the previous distribution).

</comment><comment><USER9> Eventually Apple will sell hardware subscriptions, where you just turn in your old gear and get new stuff every year. (Maybe they can give your old ipods to starving kids or something).

<comment><USER9> Fine! Perhaps I deserved a down-vote. Or two. But there is something to what I'm saying: all businesses seem to want to reach for the "annuity" business. MS did it. Apple does it. Adobe does it. Adobe is becoming explicit about it, too.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> Are you sure the Macbook Pro release is correct? The Retina was an update.

</comment><comment><USER11> Macbook Pro (15") was updated couple of weeks ago, why this one says 263 days? Yes the retina one, isn't retina ones are successors of a previous model? Why keep them separate, I think Macbook Pro without retina will be obsolete and won't be updated.

</comment><comment><USER12> Reminds me of something I built years ago:

[http://web.archive.org/web/20080616021707/http://www.mactact...](http://web.archive.org/web/20080616021707/http://www.mactactic.com/)

<comment> anti-pattern Oh I remember seeing that when it came out. Did you take it down?

<comment><USER12> Yeah, someone from Apple emailed me and asked me to - so I did.

<comment> anti-pattern Oh, interesting. Did they give a reason? Was it legal? MacRumors has been doing this for some time, I can't imagine that there's anything illegal about it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> It would be helpful to turn the bar red if something becomes overdue.

Perhaps take it one step further and start filling the bar again with the overdue number of days but with red.

<comment> anti-pattern Yeah that's something I'll probably do in the next few days. I just wanted to get something out there. Ship ship ship :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> The Retina Macbook Pro should be it's own category as it's update cycle is quite different to the Macbook Pro at the moment.

</comment><comment><USER15> My own personal expected arrival times:

• Apple iEyes, stylish head-worn computer: 2016

• Apple MagicMindPad, implantable universal 3D/multitouch pointer device: 2021

• Apple nuRetina, permanent replacement for your biological retina: 2028

(Impulse purchases at the fancy Apple surgical centers are going to be big business in the 2020's.)

<comment><USER16> * Apple iEyes, stylish head-worn computer: 2016

Surely it would be the iPatch: <http://www.weylonsmith.com/blog/tag/ipatch>

<comment><USER17> Or the Eye Pad

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> I am interested if there are any news when Google will refresh Nexus 7, I want to get it, but would prefer to wait for newer version.

There were already places that track release times, this page is not neccesary, <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/> comes to mind.

I see others pointed that as well... well I can't remove this post so you will have to endure it presence.

</comment><comment><USER19> You should separate MBP and rMBP.

<comment><USER20> It's not so clear if MBP will even be a product line in the future - I'd bet that in the future Apple will want to have just two laptop lines, Air and Pro, both with Retina displays.

<comment><USER19> Right, but they have two lines right now and changing the site to reflect product consolidation in the future is trivial.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> About two weeks ago, Apple did an update on the Retina MBP and some price changes the the MacBook Air. I know it is a rather small change, but I think it counts for "release", so the calculation for the Macbooks is wrong.

<comment><USER22> Yeah, Apple counts it as a release. The updated retina MBP 13" describes itself as an "Early 2013".

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> What I would find useful is seeing the things blocking each update. E.g. Mac Pro waiting on new Xeon CPUs from Intel, new iPad basically not enough time since last release, EOL for iPod classic, etc.

<comment><USER24> The languishing of iPod Classic is the saddest thing on there to me. I really think the scroll wheel is better than a touch interface. Tactile feedback makes it easier to use without looking.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> I'd love it if you could convert times in days to months, or something like 'early september' if you don't want to seem to over-promise by giving a real date. I could divide by 30, but I'm lazy.

</comment><comment><USER26> The Mac Pro bar isn't quite correct. The last update was only due to Intel not producing the old processors any more. Apple didn't even flag it as "new" on their store.

<comment> anti-pattern You might be right, let me look into that. There's a bit of gray area as to what technically constitutes a "release".

<comment><USER27> Seconding this. The 2012 "update" was no more than a slight rearranging of CPU and RAM within that same generation of parts. The thing still uses all 2010 era parts (radeon 5xxx graphics, westmere xeons, 3gbit SATA, PCI-E 2, no thunderbolt). It has been "due" for an update since sandy bridge xeons were released in early 2012.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> Wow...the Mac rumors buying guide but prettier with less info. Is there any real insight or innovation here above and beyond that?

<comment> anti-pattern I guess it depends on how you quantify usefulness. There's less info, but I think I visualized the information that I do show much better than MacRumors.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> Lovely execution.

Only one nit -- the MacBook Pro was updated two weeks ago: [https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/02/13Apple-Updates- Pro...](https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/02/13Apple-Updates-Processors- Prices-of-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html)

<comment><USER30> It was but only because Apple had no choice. <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5307169>

<comment><USER31> No, you're linking to a thread about the Mac Pro, not the MacBook Pro. :-)

<comment><USER30> Whoops, you are correct. The updates to the MacBook Pro are still trivial and no site is considering it to be an major upgrade/update. The Mac Rumors tracking site separates the MacBook Pro and the MacBook Pro Retina for this reason.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> Nice, really like it! Think it would be cool if you could see the expected lenght for overdue products too. Something like that maybe: <http://codepen.io/stroebjo/pen/aiLtd>

</comment><comment><USER33> Nice work.

Some feedback:

\- Bug: The site breaks the back button of Firefox somehow.

\- Suggestion: A timeline view of the previous releases on the detail page could help to make the patterns more clear.

\- Suggestion: Maybe change the color of the bar when an update is overdue.

</comment><comment><USER34> Waiting for the iPad Mini w/ Retina display (wait, where's the iPad mini?).

</comment><comment><USER35> This looks great and I can see this being useful, but if I just land'ed on the site I would struggle to know what it is about....but you probably have this covered anyway :)

</comment><comment><USER36> The text is cut off on <http://arrival.io/macbook-pro>.

<http://imgur.com/sBWlJ09>

<comment> anti-pattern Hmm, what OS, browser, and version are you on?

<comment><USER36> Mountain Lion + Chrome on a retina MBP.

On FireFox the text is also cut off and the blue bars do not show up: <http://imgur.com/CfHWnzJ>

Update: Upgrading from Firefox 17 to 19 fixed the issue with the blue bars.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER37> From a statistical point of view, it seems kind of inappropriate to report something with a 100+ day standard deviation (iPhone release rate) down to the nearest day.

</comment><comment><USER38> Firefox 19/mac, progress bars don't display.

<comment><USER39> I love Firefox, but I am encountering problems like this more and more often. It's a disaster to use with Coursera or Netflix.

<comment><USER40> "This page is best viewed with Google Explorer"

It looks like the page is doing something funny with javascript to render the bars, why not just use good old css?

<comment><USER41> The problem is that the site is using SVG paint servers to provide a gradient for the progress rect. The gradient is specified in a SVG def element with id barGradient in the HTML file. So far so good. The problem arises because the fill rule is written as "fill: url(#barGradient)" and is placed in an _external_ CSS file. In this case the fragment should be resolved against the _stylesheet_ URL, not the HTML document URL [1]. It appears that Gecko and Opera get this right and WebKit doesn't. However the page relies on the incorrect behaviour here. (I also note that Gecko and Presto do different things after they fail to resolve the paint server; Gecko falls back to "none", Presto to the default fill colour. My reading of SVG 1.2T is that Gecko is correct in this case [2]).

tldr; The page relies on a WebKit bug. The Gecko rendering is correct.

[1] <http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#urls> [2] <http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/painting.html#SpecifyingPaint>

<comment> anti-pattern Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining it! This was my first time using SVG. So, what is the best solution? Defining SVG styles in a style tag?

<comment><USER41> That would work, yes.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> It'd be a nice touch to note discontinuation based on overdueness. The classic isn't way overdue, it's discontinued.

</comment><comment><USER43> just bought retina macbook pro 15 inch yesterday (ME665LL/A) which says "Early 2013". Isn't that an update?

<comment><USER44> Yes, it is.

</comment></comment><comment><USER45> Only 106 days until a new Thunderbolt Display! I really hope that it turns into an "Apple TV" announcement.

<comment><USER46> A successor to Apple's current desktop display is more likely at least 7 months out. Look at the historical data: ignoring the outlier, Apple releases a new screen every 25 months - we're 18 months in. The last update was timed so because Apple switched from Mini DisplayPort to Thunderbolt.

<http://arrival.io/apple-thunderbolt-display>

As for Apple releasing a TV screen, I don't see it happening for at least a couple of years, if ever. There are too many things that need to be in place for Apple to be able to really change how people watch TV. For it to really shake things up, we need fast broadband everywhere, more (live) content in iTunes, a better input method (hand gestures? voice? touch?) to control the screen, and a more reliable wireless technology than (the current) WiFi.

<comment><USER47> Not to mention the state of the art hasn't moved very much - that 27" IPS LCD panel is still the very same that's being used by Dell, HP, et al.

There's been a lot of development on both smaller and larger screen sizes, but the 27" form factor seems to be at a relative standstill.

I don't expect to see an update unless there is a major change to either the panel tech or the interface tech. I really do hope that Apple reopens the >= 30-inch space though.

<comment><USER48> A price drop would be enough. Surely they could sell them a lot cheaper at the high volume they would get cutting the price.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER49> Clean and simple, I like it. I think an about page for new visitors would be good though.

<comment> anti-pattern Yeah I was trying to decide whether it needed one or not. So far people seem to be getting it, but I might still add one.

</comment></comment><comment><USER50> Where do you get your data from?

<comment> anti-pattern It's all online, but there's an awesome app called Mactracker (<http://www.mactracker.ca>) that I got a lot of information from. MacRumors also has a buyers guide (<http://buyersguide.macrumors.com>), but I think mine is better :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER51> Doesn't work in Firefox on Mac.

<comment> anti-pattern Whoops, it looks like Firefox doesn't like SVG gradients. I'll look into that. Thanks!

</comment></comment><comment><USER52> I hope that's not right, just ordered a MBA a few days ago

</comment><comment><USER53> This is pretty nice. Where's the iPad Mini though?

</comment><comment><USER54> Awesome! Thank you

<comment> anti-pattern You're very welcome :)</comment></comment>


How Nike invented the power-lacing shoes - <AUTHOR> http://wired.com/2016/09/nike-self-lacing-design-hyperadapt/ <comment><USER2> What happened here? [http://i.imgur.com/TDJY54T.png](http://i.imgur.com/TDJY54T.png)

I can't read the article because the site comes up massive. Making my window wider doesn't fix it, as I originally thought maybe it was a poorly implemented vw font size. This is in incognito, as my second thought was my ad blocker.

</comment><comment><USER3> Oh god, so now I have to charge my shoes as well?

<comment><AUTHOR> Nike: the battery would last about two weeks</comment></comment>


Four VC Firms Battle For Foursquare, Valuation Goes Stratospheric - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/25/four-vc-firms-battle-for-foursquare-valuation-goes-stratospheric/

<comment><USER2> How big is Foursquare? I keep hearing about, almost always mentioned in the same breath as Gowalla, and one of only two friends who use it told me it's "massive in the states" (I'm UK based). To me it looks like a fad, but if Marc Andreesen thinks its worth investing in, there must be something to it. Is there?

<comment><USER3> They are now around the 650,000 mark. I can't really imagine what is giving them such a valuation besides the veteran status of the people involved. $70 million for < $1million users seems completely 1999 (Mint.com was valued in the $3-4 million range when they had 1 million arguably far more monetizeable users).

Plus with Facebook's own check in platform coming out soon my feeling is they are about to be crushed. Am I missing something?

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Surely this will help Gowalla in their future fundraising effort too.

</comment><comment><USER5> Someone should just make an app that gives you deals and coupons to local stores and take all the potential ad revenue away from these guys. Maybe Yelp should solicit the small business owners to offer discounts to people who are browsing Yelp listings on their phone.

</comment><comment><USER6> Yah! and 30% of that value comes from TC that is making 3 articles a day about foursquare, driving 30.000 users/visitors to them each day. ahahah

<comment><USER7> Foursquare, square, blippy, any other TC favorites?

<comment><USER8> more than one year ago was twitter

<comment><USER7> twitter was a great pic, foursquare as well.

square and blippy I don't get.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Why only TPB and not other sites - <AUTHOR>

Why does it seem like that only TPB are under attack, when there are so many other torrent sites out there. <comment><USER2> What makes you think the others aren't constantly under attack? I think there's only so much bandwidth/space the average person is willing to give to "torrent site problems". That probably leaves room for only one, maybe two sites to make headlines. That's my guess at least.

</comment><comment><USER3> TPB is the largest public torrent site.

TPB is "constantly under attack" only because it managed to be so resilient. They've already killed other huge torrent sites such as isohunt, demonoid and others, and it didn't take them that many tries.

<comment><AUTHOR> I guess that's probably the reason... Thanks</comment></comment>


Harvard and Yale Setting an Example? - <AUTHOR> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET_Cetera/Yale_Harvard_on_talent_hunt_step_up_aid/articleshow/2621122.cms By opening up the middle income bracket and making it cheaper for upper-middle incomers, are they doing good or bad for students? Also, will they set an example for other schools to follow? <comment><USER2> Isn't part of the appeal of harvard and yale that for the most part only the wealthy and well connected can get in and afford to go there. That way you will make connections with the leaders of the world and write your own ticket after graduation.</comment>


Ask YC: Best forums for coding questions, by language? - <AUTHOR>

I'm interested in Ruby/Rails forums myself, but I thought it might be useful to get peoples opinions on the places they go to get nagging programming questions answered for their language of choice. <comment><USER2> for Arc: <http://arclanguage.org/forum>

</comment><comment><USER3> I just Google it.

</comment><comment><USER4> IRC

<comment><AUTHOR> I don't know anything about IRC; just installed mIRC, can you tell me how/where to find programming channels, esp related to Ruby/Rails?

<comment><USER4> I know there is a Ruby channel; they can probably point you to Rails places. Type '/join #ruby' and hit return, and you should be good to go.

<comment><USER4> I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, Freenode is the best network, connect to the server irc.freenode.net first.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks!</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


How PornHub is bringing its A-game (SFW) – Moz - <AUTHOR> http://moz.com/ugc/how-pornhub-is-bringing-its-agame-sfw <comment><USER2> I've found myself re-blogging/sharing some of PH's tweets simply because they are funny. Even female friends (not the typical demographic for this site IMO) really enjoy them as well. This marketing strategy is smart and does help remove the stigma surround the industry.</comment>


Ask HN: 23 with nothing to show for it. How do I start anew? - <AUTHOR> Details in comment! Thanks for your time. :)<p>TLDR: I feel like I haven't built meaningful deep skills, only brittle ones, and I don't know what to do because time is just flying by. <comment><USER2> If it makes you feel better, it is completely normal to feel this way when you are 23, smart, and ambitious. You're past the cocky know-it-all teenage years, and you don't yet have the experience to back up the potential that you feel. I'd tell you to not sweat it so much, but that's like telling a teenager not to worry about the opposite sex. Nothing I say will make you not worry, so just don't let it drive you crazy.

I think that you are hitting the "working surface" (to use a mining analogy). In other words, you've been training your whole life to do meaningful creative work, and now that you are biting into the real stuff, you feel untalented and unprepared. OMG, there are all these holes in your knowledge! That's what happens when you work on cool, hard problems. Whether you believe it or not, you are at the beginning of your career. It is unrealistic to expect yourself to be incredibly accomplished at the beginning of your career. Developing those accomplishments is what all those years in the career are for. You aren't running out of time to make an impact. That is an illusion. Your knowledge will get deeper as you keep engaging with the problems.

It sounds like you work on some really cool stuff, and I really hope that you make something amazing. Whether grad school, startup, or a job is better depends on lots of variables that are particular to what you want to do. I would say first, have an idea of what you want to accomplish. Then go scout the career terrain. You may not realize it, but you have a huge advantage that you are probably not using - you are young enough to simply approach highly accomplished people in your field and just ask them for career advice. They will generally give it to you. They won't do that when you are 50. Make sure you are getting disinterested advice though, because a prof who wants to recruit does not give unbiased advice. On the other hand, maybe that's the inroad that you need. I don't know your field, so I can't give good advice on the best direction.

</comment><comment><USER3> Gee, you sound mega-stressed. And so over-crammed with all kinds of things. Panicking about "losing time"...Maybe take a year off travelling, doing something completely different, maybe meaningful low-tech work in another country, or something? Not much good to feel burned out your whole life. What is it all for?

23 is so young. A lot of people feel 17 their whole lives. A lot of people who are 80 feel 17. "time is just flying by" \- well yes, it does that. I was 17 a few years ago, now I'm 47, although it's hard to believe.

Good luck!

"Be careful of how you live your life, you may end up having to live your life that way." – Keith Curran, _Walking the Dead_

</comment><comment><USER4> I've been in similar positions and my advice, in order of priority, is:

1\. Relax. Take a break. Gather your thoughts, preferably on a beach or the outdoors or whatever makes you comfortable and relaxed. Use the time to disconnect and chill out. You'll be surprised how quickly you realize what is truly important to you.

2\. Exercise every day, even if it's just for five minutes. You'll gain more productive time from the energy it gives you than you'll spend exercising. And of course it's good for your health and will help with the weight gain you mentioned.

3\. Focus. Pick one goal and get after it. Take everything else off your plate. If it does not move you toward your goal, forget about it.

I would also add that you are facing a problem of mindset more than anything. Try to take a detached, analytical approach to your thought processes and decision making. Keep emotions out of it. Also, make fewer decisions. Make important decisions and commit to them.

Finally, have a sense of urgency but not haste. Live in the present.

</comment><comment><USER5> you lack motivation. i felt exactly like this for a long time. It even made me consider that i was ill, and i whent to the doctors to have my blood examined etc. Only when i found my motivation again years after i realised there was nothing physically wrong with me, and all these symptoms were simply a reflection of my mind getting into my body. it's not an easy task to find what motivates you. Self-reflection is key, and it can be a painful road to discover yourself and accept yourself.

My advise is to drop the idea of starting 'new'. this is an impossible idea people have. Since you learn and experience throughout your life, and these lessons should not be discarded.

Ask yourself many questions, what do i like, why do i like this, and get to know yourself more. That way you will find what motivates you, which will help you find and decide on a nice path in life.

all the best, and remember this is only too human to feel like this, not many people go through life without having a time in their life feeling lost or without a clear goal. Recognising this in yourself is the frist step which you have already made.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Hey HN community, been feeling a little lost lately. I just turned 23, and am completing my master's in Biology at Harvard. I'm also a student in Georgia Tech's OMSCS, specializing in ML.

Throughout my life, I always breezed through things, coasting through school. When I started my undergrad at UCSD, I decided to study Cognitive Neuroscience, because I've always been interested in replicating intelligence and understanding human consciousness. I plugged into an amazing group of student entrepreneurs and engineers, many of whom introduced me to the hacker culture, including YC and HN. But, I really became enamored with trying to get projects out, and scored a few internships as a PM on some health tech products. But through this whole time, I never really built technical depth, be it in programming or research. I showed up to tests, got As and promptly forgot the material. I never made meaningful connections with Professors and I never got involved with research because I just wanted to build the next cool app. I graduated in just under 3 years, and because I didn't really know if I wanted to do grad school, I applied to a few Master's programs.

By this point, I knew that CS, specifically ML and AI, and to a lesser extend app development, were necessary skills I needed to cultivate if I ever planned to do meaningful creative work in computational biology, AI, or health care, which were my chief interests. I enrolled in Hack Reactor, gained some fluency with modern web technologies, gained some recognition, and continued into both Master's programs.

The last 12 months were a whirlwind, I finished all of my biology master's and much of my CS master's coursework, and have reached the stage that I can begin work on a thesis topic upon finding a professor. Also, I worked on a startup with a friend that got me to YC's final interview stage and into a summer accelerator.

But the thing is, I honestly feel broken. I found all the knowledge I have is brittle and rushed, and that the sheer uncertainty of trying to build a startup is daunting. I haven't been able to develop my career in any way, be it with software engineering internships, research assistant ships, or even successful side hustles. I haven't found a professor who would like to work with me, and I'm utterly unprepared to apply to PhD programs this fall.

Through it all, I've found an intense love for ml, and I'd like to spend the next 4-6 months diving deep, validating some hypotheses, and becoming a capable researcher/ml engineer. But my insecurities force me to constantly try and productize my learning, and I constantly get distracted thinking about how folks are building incredible companies and I'm losing time to make an impact. 23 but me hard, I still feel 17, and I fear I'll soon be 50 with the same superfluous, brittle understanding of things. All fluff, no depth.

It's begun to affect my health, I've been losing sleep and gaining an alarming amount of weight, while falling behind in classes.

Do you have any suggestions as to what's i should focus on? Should I go for a job/internship as soon as possible? Should I try for PhD's without any research experience, only some novel projects and entrepreneurship.

Any advice would be appreciated, I really love this community and look up to many of you.

<comment><USER6> Hey, I've experienced similar feelings in the past. Feel free to reach out if you want to chat outside of HN bout this more (my email is in my profile).</comment></comment>


Apple Store requirements are not applicable to Apple apps - <AUTHOR> https://twitter.com/austinsoares/status/1110986509119901702 <comment><AUTHOR> Related: [https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/27/18284628/apple-news- plus-...](https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/27/18284628/apple-news-plus-auto- subscription-breaking-rules-how-to-cancel)

</comment><comment><USER2> * App Store. The Apple Store is the physical place where they sell stuff.</comment>


Secret docs reveal: an FBI with vast hidden powers - <AUTHOR> https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/secret-docs-reveal-president-trump-has-inherited-an-fbi-with-vast-hidden-powers/?hn <comment><USER2> Anyone who thinks Trump is the problem is missing the mark: An imperial presidency with an unchecked intelligence apparatus is a systemic problem that inevitably led to this.

If one person can pervert a system, that system sucks.

<comment><USER3> One person cannot pervert the system. One person, 63 million voters, lots of members of congress, lots of federal employees, etc. can. Not that the system doesn't have problems, but the people that make up the system are voluntarily giving Trump power. It's not possible to design a system that the participants themselves can't destroy if they decide to.

<comment><USER4> > _It 's not possible to design a system that the participants themselves > can't destroy if they decide to._

You can raise the bar arbitrarily high, though. Make the destruction of the system require lots of _coordinated_ effort, and then make coordination difficult. Coordination is hard for humans as it is, even without a system that actively subverts it. That's why we have lots of issued labeled together as "tragedies of the commons".

<comment><USER5> > _You can raise the bar arbitrarily high, though_

You can, but then you run head-first into another problem: this "bar-raising" undermines the legitimacy of the system in the eyes of the people and, not unjustifiably, makes them feel that it is undemocratic. Worse: this is a positive feedback loop. The more you raise the bar, the angrier people get and the more radical they will get in their attempts to tear it down, and so the more bar-raising is needed.

This is the unfortunate paradox that Matthew Yglesias highlighted in "American Democracy is Doomed" [0]: people are raging against horse-trading, organized parties, and 'elites' poo-poohing the "will of the people". This is totally defensible, but to some extent horse-trading and elite rule are the only things that make governance possible. I don't know any solution to this problem.

[0] [http://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8120063/american-democracy- doome...](http://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8120063/american-democracy-doomed)

<comment><USER6> >This is the unfortunate paradox that Matthew Yglesias highlighted in "American Democracy is Doomed" [0]: people are raging against horse-trading, organized parties, and 'elites' poo-poohing the "will of the people". This is totally defensible, but to some extent horse-trading and elite rule are the only things that make governance possible. I don't know any solution to this problem.

Well, I think a parliamentary system with proportional representation would help a lot. In those systems, the parties/lists might trade horses, but you know that your vote bought some measure of strength for a platform you actually believe in. Oh, and real civil-service protections to keep government staff from being fired for political reasons, including for security and military officials.

<comment><USER5> I used to think that, but based on recent events I'm not so sure: European Parliamentary governments seem to be having the same populist uprisings based on perceived illegitimacy and disconnect from of government that we are. All things being equal, I'd rather the US had a Parliamentary system, but I don't think it's a silver bullet.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> This article is part of a massive 17-part drop about the FBI from The Intercept today. Wow. [https://theintercept.com/series/the-fbis-secret- rules/](https://theintercept.com/series/the-fbis-secret-rules/)

<comment><USER8> Note that Intercept claims to have been sitting on this content since "before the election" yet holds it for a massive flood in the first week of the _new_ Administration.

<comment><USER9> Considering their treatment of the Obama administration, do you think that they would not have released these stories if the election had gone the other way?

<comment><USER10> Do you honestly think that, had Trump been the president during Snowden's NSA revelations, The Intercept would have continued to sit on 90% of the documents that still haven't been released?

<comment><USER9> That completely dodges my question, but yeah I do. I think the OP makes the mistake of assuming that once a journalist receives a source of information then their job is done, but good reporting takes a lot of hours of corroborating information with multiple sources and doing background.

The Intercept is definitely a leftist publication but to say that they are partisan Democrat just isn't true. They were one of the few publications that consistently reported on the outrageous drone bombing campaigns during the Obama administration. Glenn Greenwald was even accused of being a Trump supporter by people in the Hillary camp for about as long as they were running against each other.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> _...the FBI's so-called Type 5 assessments — through which federal agents have authority to investigate people in the United States who are not suspected of having committed crimes, but who, in a federal agent's opinion, could be recruited as informants._

In light of this, is anyone who has confidently declared "my personal threat model doesn't include nation-states" reconsidering?

<comment><USER12> Sometimes excluding nation states from your threat model gives you a blissful ignorance.

After all, proper computer security protocol isn't going to protect you from being disappeared.

<comment><USER11> Let's get real, though - innocent people aren't being disappeared because they don't want to be CIs.

On the other hand, _" it'd be a shame if your wife saw these messages to your old girlfriend"_ doesn't seem that much of a stretch.

<comment><USER13> >innocent people aren't being disappeared because they don't want to be CIs.

Not to get too tinfoil, but do we really know this?

At any given moment 90k in the US alone are missing, and 60% of those are adults (source: google)

<comment><USER10> Seeing as it has been established that Tinfoil Hats would acutally amplify brainwaves, could/should the "Tinfoil Hat" concept be modified to connote a person who is overly-paranoid, and adopts lifestyle choices that unintentionally amplify their perceived risk?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> None of this should be surprising after 9-11 and the Patriot Act.

<comment><USER15> It saddens me that we are still _reacting_ to 9/11

<comment><USER16> Osama bin Laden predicted that America would overreact.

[https://www.odni.gov/files/documents/ubl/english/Letter%20to...](https://www.odni.gov/files/documents/ubl/english/Letter%20to%20the%20American%20people.pdf)

<comment><USER17> It looks like you are supplying the linked document as a reference to support the statement that "Osama bin Laden predicted that America would overreact." However, I am having trouble figuring out the connection between the linked document and the statement.

The document is from some time after 2009, as it makes references to Obama delaying the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. I failed to find any passage where he references previous statements he made in the past. From these observations, I am guessing that the prediction you are talking about is of some overreaction that takes place some time after 2009.

However, I am failing to find this prediction of overreaction you are referring to in the document. I'm assuming that's a failure on my part to read between the lines in bin Laden's writing, and I'm hoping you could clarify that.

<comment><USER16> Yes, you are right about the link which is more about OBL's thinking at that point. I had read something else back in 2003-5 whenever (NYTimes?) that was a prediction that America would overreact. And I can't find it. And searching through OBL's writings isn't easy.

<comment><USER18> This article does not reference a source for the quote but author writes this about Osama - "He repeatedly asserted that the only way to drive the U.S. from the Muslim world and defeat its satraps was by drawing Americans into a series of small but expensive wars that would ultimately bankrupt them. "Bleeding the U.S.," in his words. The United States, first under George W. Bush and then Barack Obama, rushed right into bin Laden's trap." [http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/osamas- ghost...](http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/osamas-ghost/)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Look at what can be accomplished with some fear-mongering and millions of apathetic citizens. The intelligence community must be so proud of themselves.

</comment><comment><USER20> I wonder how many people would have to know if a secret Executive Order required a few XKEYSCORE terminals be installed in the West Wing.

If only Nixon had had that tech.

<comment><USER10> Secrecy is incompatible with a republic.

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> At the time of this comment: (6 hours after OP)

14 mentions of Trump. 8 mentions of Bush. 2 mentions of Reagan.

vs.

10 wistful mentions of Hillary Clinton being the better choice. 4 mentions of Obama. 1 mention of Bill Clinton expanding ECHELON.

Obama had 8 years building and using it this entire apparatus, after 8 years of Bush putting it into place after 9/11\. Trump had been taking it for a test drive over the past 2 weeks.

Can we please rename HN to " _Silicon Valley and Democrats Only_ " so lurkers know what they are getting into?

<comment><USER22> I'm not from Silicon Valley and don't identify as a democrat. I've never even visited the Americas. Throughout my years on HN I've seen that there are plenty others like me on HN. To say HN is for _" Silicon Valley and Democrats Only"_ is very naive.

<comment><USER23> I'm also not located in silicon and not really a Democrat, but I agree with the parent. HN readers tend to be irrationally biased towards members of certain political parties, and I think it's healthy and constructive to point this out.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> At the risk of invoking the genetic fallacy, beware of far-left and far-right sources of information: [http://www.allsides.com/news- source/intercept](http://www.allsides.com/news-source/intercept)

<comment><USER24> Why am I getting downvoted? What is the rationale?

<comment><USER25> Your comment is non-sensical because The Intercept is pretty well known to HN readers and it's common sense that it's not a far-right or far-left media.

Your link doesn't help either: it doesn't support your implied claim that TI is far-left or far-right.

<comment><USER10> Would you disagree that HN generally skews "left" on the political scale? Wouldn't such a skew (left or right) affect HN readers' "common sense"?

While I can't comment on your intent, your reply appears to fit the description of a Bandwagon Fallacy:

 _The Bandwagon Fallacy (also, Argument from Common Sense, Argumentum ad Populum): The fallacy of arguing that because "everyone" (or someone in power who has widespread backing) supposedly thinks or does something, it must be true and right. E.g., "Whether there actually is large scale voter fraud in America or not, many people now believe there is and that makes it so." Sometimes also includes Lying with Statistics, e.g. "Over 75% of Americans believe that crooked Hodiak is a thief, a liar and a pervert. There may not be any evidence, but for anyone with half a brain that conclusively proves the case!"_

<comment><USER24> Yeah it is the bandwagon fallacy.

But apparently, critical thinking skill is becoming rarefied even at HN.

<comment><USER10> upvoted for truth.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Russia is Turning Elon Musk into Tony Stark - <AUTHOR> http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-14/russia-is-turning-elon-musk-into-tony-stark

<comment><USER2> > In the politically charged atmosphere of a new stand-off with Russia, > however, it isn't the technology that matters so much as Musk's ability to > present himself as a patriot, rushing in to save his country from malevolent > Russians.

This sounds like a biased piece, with an agenda. I posit Bershidsky is not quite an impartial observer on this case. I can see how both ULA and the Russian would be chomping at the bit to make sure every news source has articles criticizing Musk.

We'll probably be seeing pieces about Musk's personal life. Maybe he smoked pot in college, and somehow, someone would remember and then make sure to write a memoir, that will make its way into the public media. With titles like "Oh, no, our great American Patriot is a pot head"

The dangerous game Musk is playing is that, besides sticking sticks in the spokes of ULA's business directly, he is painting them as unpatriotic. One thing Lockheed and Boeing don't want is to seem that. They make billions from US govt contracts. This is going to enrage them. And they might start doing shadier things than usual.

<comment><USER3> US-American "moguls" don't get killed as often as their Russian counterparts. And even Russia is careful about being too obvious, lest the totalitarian nature of the state becomes common knowledge outside (or beware even inside) Russia...

<comment><USER4> Is the US a semi-oligarchy wrapped up in the trappings of a republic?

<comment><USER3> I think it is dangerous to start such a discussion with the diagnosis of "semi-oligarchy". The first thing you should look at is that, "integrated" over all citizens (and even residents and "illegal aliens"), you won't find a country that offers much more freedom and more opportunity. You can argue if some European countries beat the US in some of these categories, but none of them are as much better than the US, than the US is better compared to Russia or China.

The US political system is designed to be rigid against change. Which is mostly a good thing, until, of course, it isn't. But this rigidity is a big strength, and accounts for much of the trust of the world economy in the US government(s).

How to choose leaders and administrators is a tough problem, and I don't have a lot of trust in people who don't actually participate in politics but believe they have a way of choosing leaders and policies that is superior to all the proven ways.

<comment><USER4> _you won 't find a country that offers much more freedom and more opportunity_

Quite true. I'm not saying the US is bad. I'm just pointing out that it's not some kind of anointed perfection.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> More like Howard Hughes - the 20th Century version and with aviation.

Remember the Senate hearing where Hughes fought and won against the senate's (apparently) special interest influences.

Musk's hearing video really reminds of Hughes'

Musk: [http://youtu.be/he0-SP-BnCQ?t=10m30s](http://youtu.be/he0-SP- BnCQ?t=10m30s)

Hughes: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7vu1dlow5A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7vu1dlow5A)

</comment><comment><USER6> Isn't the irony here that Elon Musk inspired the Tony Stark in the movies? [http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/tesla- ceo-...](http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/tesla-ceo-elon- musk-inspired-tony-stark-of-iron-man-fame)

<comment><USER7> > _" Musk, 38, is a rocket scientist," writes Favreau. "He designed the Falcon > 9...And he designed the Tesla, one of the first electric cars of the modern > era."_

Maybe someone better tuned to this can help: is any of this remotely true?

I know he started these companies, but can he really be credited with designing these things, or are we looking for a hero? Seems like a lack of credit is given to those doing the dirty work.

<comment><USER3> He funded and lead the design effort, which may be as difficult as any particular design job involved in it. The tone of the article is a bit enthusiastic towards Musk, but in some sense, Elon Musk certainly deserves a bit of "worship".

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> It should have been mentioned that in fact, NASA suspended all cooperation with Russia at the end of March, except for the ISS.

Therefore it's not a unilateral action the Russians are taking here, they are merely responding to the various sanctions the US imposed on them.

I am sure, the persons involved with sanctioning Russia did know that this would be a possible reaction. It's just unrealistic that NASA could have sanctioned Russia on every aspect they don't need cooperation while expecting the Russians to keep cooperating where they need them.

Link: [http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/03/us/us-russia-relations- nas...](http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/03/us/us-russia-relations-nasa/)

</comment><comment><USER9> Isn't Tony Stark, the modern rendition, largely based on Elon Musk?

This title could read as:

Russia is Turning Elon Musk into Elon Musk.

</comment><comment><USER10> >Musk should be paying the man a salary for providing him with the business opportunity of a lifetime.

Rogozin is apparently quite an idiot.

<comment><USER11> On the contrary, he's a politician riding the wave of militaristic nationalism that he helped create. Patriotism and such have nothing to do with it.

<comment><USER10> It's win win win. He gets a short term political boost, Musk gets the rocket business and the US sheds reliance on Russia.

<comment><USER2> ULA won't let this slide. This cuts into their PR image and the bottom line (having to switch to Delta rockets).

<comment><USER10> ULA will spend zero capital on PR to justify buying Russian rockets as the Russian brand will become more and more tainted as Ukraine unravels, it is a huge win for Musk, amazing considering he became a citizen just over a decade ago.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: Advice for a short travel to the USA to refresh my mind - <AUTHOR>

Hi all,
I broke up with my very loved (and unique) long term girlfriend. It was a relationship of 9 years. I left my last employer because he run out of money, with a two month delay of payments. Currently I'm unemployed and sometimes I feel like depressed, almost burned out. I live with my parents and my sister, and I support them financially. I would like to have a break of the current things.
Reading the "Lost" story of sivers was very enlightening. My state is not so bad, but I would like to change a lot of things on my life. And the first thing occurred to me was to ask to the HN Crowd for advice to recover myself. Life is too short and I would like to make more significant things, I feel the need to expand my horizons.
I'm computer systems engineer. I'm 26. I'd been an enthusiast and passionate developer all my life. Currently I don't care for the money, that's is pretty well covered right now and for the next couple years.
I was thinking of doing a short travel to the USA (for a couple of months),  to change my perspective, to refresh my aging geek mind, to learn new and interesting things, and maybe to make some friends. Not to work, given the restrictions of my tourist visa, just I thought it could be a great idea to refresh my viewpoints.
Surely, I expect to afford that, but my issue is how to get the most out of this situation. I'm from South America, previously I traveled abroad participating in conferences and stuff like that so a little longer travel shouldn't be a problem.
The thing is I also am a sort of shy guy, I have ZERO close friends and that's why I'm asking for advice here.
I don't want await for doing visa paperwork to any other place, so the USA is my only really far option. I really want to do that in the most immediate possible way.
Any suggestions? Should I look for something specific to where I can travel? What else can I do?
Thank you very much.
(this is throwaway account, I have been a long time hn user) <comment><USER2> That you sent this on the evening of a major USA holiday, about when people were most likely to be away from computers, may account for the dearth of upvotes/responses. I don't think it would be wrong to repost in the middle of a work-week.

As it seems at least part of the inspiration you seek is professional in the computer industry, it seems the SF bay area should be a definite stop on your trip. (Though, if you do have any connections in other cities, I wouldn't rule anyplace out.)

There's always something happening around the SF bay area, but you might want to make sure your time overlaps with some conference or event of special interest. Using event-scheduling sites like Upcoming/Eventful/Meetup, centered on the city where you want to travel, may reveal best times to visit. Business/conference/product-launch activity picks up September-November, the time after summer and before winter holidays.

Once your timing is a little more firm, another post asking about things to do and people to meet in a specific city, and specific timeframe, is likely to get a larger response. Lots of prior threads of the form, "I'll be in city X in a few weeks, what tech/startup/hacker things could I do, who could I meet, where should I stay?" have gotten good responses.</comment>


Google cancels domain registration for Daily Stormer - <AUTHOR> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-cancels-domain-registration-for-daily-stormer-2017-8 <comment><USER2> Is there anything preventing these fucking nazis from becoming a domain registrar? Or finding a company with no morals willing to host their domain? I don't see why they can't do one of the above. There's no duty on the part of Godaddy, Google, or any other company to provide these fuckers with service. Let them figure it out themselves if they want to stay online. This isn't a free speech issue. They have the right to say whatever they want. They do not have a right to force others to help them say whatever they want.

</comment><comment><USER3> If we are framing this as a free speech issue: Isn't spam email free speech?

How dare any network provider tell me I can't send 500 billion emails about my Viagra supplements? That is violating my freedom of speech!

The US government has actually passed laws making spam email legal (CAN-SPAM, under certain conditions), and still most every reputable network provider will not let you send it on their networks, even if it is legal.

I'm not suggesting the particular issue in the OP is the same as spam, but clearly there are some boundaries of free speech on networks that everybody seems to agree are good.

<comment><USER4> Curious then - if you're okay with this removal, would you be okay with a registrar removing a site because it violated some Catholic values? Supported abortion or something say?

There are reasonable restrictions but generally such restrictions have a lot more to do with technical or usability issues rather than civil or political issues. I doubt this will be popular around here, but I'm afraid of being on a registrar that would reject my domain for saying something controversial.

EDIT: I can't even reply to some of the children here because HN is rate limiting me because I disagreed with a majority opinion - even only slightly - and got downvoted. Eugh.

To those saying this is false equivalence or a slippery slope, this is directed towards people saying "they're a private company, they can remove whatever they way" \- which it certainly fits the parameters of without modification. No slippery slope here, a slippery slope means this would have to lead to another, which I'm certainly not saying here. Merely a hypothetical that I'm curious how people resolve. I'm not really intending it as a formal argument one way or the other, just wanted to hear different perspectives on it.

<comment><USER5> > Curious then - if you're okay with this removal, would you be okay with a > registrar removing a site because it violated some Catholic values?

I'd fully support it for the ccTLD registrar for the .va domain.

Other registrars...depends on details not specified in the hypothetical.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Google seems to be in the right here. They aren't a government or even a clear monopoly as a name service provider.

The 1st prevents me from using government power to prevent people from saying things I disapprove of, but if they come into my house and say them, I can certainly demand that they leave.

</comment><comment><USER7> We need more dumb-pipe-like services. It's one to fight SOPA-PIPA for something that affects directly your users and your business and it's another to being "forced" by pressure on social matters that don't directly affect your users/clients/business.

I would expect or rather hope that companies have their mission and strive on every chance to make that mission a fundamental reality with no compromises.

As much as I hate what the Daily Stormer does and what it represents, the reality is that such pressure can come in a different way in the future and be exploited for non-obvious cases. You open a pandora's box when things like that happens.

We need more dumb-pipes.

</comment><comment><USER8> America is going to have a hard time reconciling freedom of speech on the one hand and curtailing the new Nazi's on the other.

<comment><USER5> Freedom of speech isn't a power to mandate that other private parties must help to spread your speech.

In fact, it is exactly the freedom for such parties to decline to do so that is included in freedom of speech.

<comment><USER9> This is made challenging by the fact that the entirety of the internet is composed of private parties.

Should we simply stop expecting anything resembling free speech on the internet?

<comment><USER10> Yes. We've never had free speech on the internet. Or rather, we do, but only so far as you're free to set up your own server and host your own site and put whatever you want on it (and if you can't convince a domain registrar to give you a domain, you can always advertise its IP address, or maybe operate a Tor hidden service or something like that). But if you're not willing to host your own site, then free speech on the internet has only been an illusion.

<comment><USER11> Self-hosting doesn't solve free speech on the internet. The first person who doesn't like you will DDoS you off the net, and then you'll need to run and hide behind a service like CloudFlare. There are only a few such firms. If they've been pressured not to protect you because your opinions are deemed objectionable, then you effectively cannot publish online at all.

This is not a theoretical problem. After Quillette published the response of 4 scientists to the Google memo they were DDoSd off the net.

<comment><USER4> There are indeed only a few such firms - but those firms are probably some of the most bulletproof in the entire industry.

BlackLotus hosted stormfront for years, CloudFlare hosts reams of controversial content - wikileaks, the pirate bay, 8chan, etc. They're practically known for it.

Currently at least, it's still quite possible to find a provider who will look out for their customers. In the registrar category there are a few providers who shine, DynaDot and EasyDNS have really gone to bat before.

<comment><USER12> Also they're still hosting daily stormer. Well, they got booted from their registrar so they're offline, but CF denied to stop hosting them.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> CloudFlare was also providing anti-DDOS capabilities to this site. It's one thing to defend people's right to free speech from the government, it's another to provide security services for hate speech.

<comment><USER14> CloudFlare provides basic anti-DDOS capabilities to _anyone_. You may as well complain that their ISP provided an internet connection.

<comment><USER15> That is the point that these assholes want to reach. Cut off their ability to communicate with anyone and do business with anyone.

They are fine with it because it is "for a good cause". But if the pendulum ever starts swinging the other way they will be the loudest to squeal.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Even hate speech is free speech. The public private nature of the internet is the only issue here. I am really getting scared and disgusted by all the 'nazi punchers' showing themselves here. To support someones right to free speech is not the same as supporting the content of said speech.

<comment><USER17> > To support someones right to free speech is not the same as supporting the > content of said speech.

Supporting someone's right to free speech doesn't mean enabling them to.

I support the right of the Nazis to voice their (IMHO completely absurd) speech, but if I had a business, I'd have guidelines against that type of speech in my business. In the same way, I wouldn't welcome one into my house. None of those measures infringes on their freedom of speech.

<comment><USER18> [https://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant- refuse-t...](https://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to- make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple-1439506296)

<comment><USER19> There are protected classes in America because of Jim Crow. Its the same as refusing to bake a cake for someone because they are black.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> It still resolves:

nslookup DAILYSTORMER.COM Server: 126.96.36.199 Address: 184.108.40.206#53

Non-authoritative answer: Name: DAILYSTORMER.COM Address: 188.8.131.52 Name: DAILYSTORMER.COM Address: 18.104.22.168

And it's not on registrar hold. There is a transfer lock which is automatic because it was just transferred in.

So it's unclear what BI even means by 'cancelled'.

Something doesn't sound right about this story actually.

They certainly don't have grounds to delete the domain based on this:

"The extremeist site published a critical story about Heather Heyer, the 32-year-old woman killed when a car rammed into counter-protesters in Charlottesville, VA, over the weekend. The story prompted GoDaddy to give Daily Stormer 24 hours to find a new host for its domain."

Not to mention hard to believe godaddy would have said something like that either.

<comment><USER21> >They certainly don't have grounds to delete the domain based on this

It's their service. Hate speech probably violates their ToS.

<comment><USER20> Not seeing hate speech listed here:

[https://www.godaddy.com/agreements/showdoc.aspx?pageid=UTOS](https://www.godaddy.com/agreements/showdoc.aspx?pageid=UTOS)

[https://payments.google.com/payments/apis- secure/get_legal_d...](https://payments.google.com/payments/apis- secure/get_legal_document?ldo=16267419166080200835&ldt=domainstos&ldr=ZZ&ldl=und)

<comment><USER22> Is this an escape hatch?

 _Registrant represents and warrants that:...registering or directly or indirectly using the Registered Name will not violate any applicable laws or regulations, legal rights of others, or Google's rules or policies including:_

It would seem to include rules and policies not listed in the terms.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> Domain registrars have no business doing this. Originally, they just registered domains for ICANN. Now they act like they own them and just rent them out.

<comment><USER8> Domain registrars are not obliged to give service to anybody. If you register a domain you are given the use of a nice-and-easy-to-remember alias for your IP address. Whether or not the registrar will want to do business with you is their problem, that's a transaction between consenting parties, not an obligation on the part of the supplier. Whether ICANN accepts a registration or not is another matter, and so far ICANN has not been involved here.

So stormfront is free to shop around until someone wants their business _or_ they can use their IP address, assuming they'll find at least one party willing to host them.

<comment><USER24> This same argument could be made for gay couples who want service for their gay wedding. We already set the precedent that a business cannot refuse service for customers it finds objectionable. You are essentially arguing in favor of the christian bakery refusing the gay wedding cake. So I don't think you can have it both ways, you either force people to do business with those you find objectionable or you dont.

<comment><USER5> > We already set the precedent that a business cannot refuse service for > customers it finds objectionable.

Incorrect; we've already established in law a small set of narrow protected bases of discrimination in public accommodation. Outside of those categories (or in business relationship that are not within the scope of public accommodation, regardless of basid) a business _absolutely can_ refuse service to customers it finds objectionable.

Discrimination based on advocacy of race-based violence does not, it should be noted, fall into any of those protected categories.

<comment><USER24> >Discrimination based on advocacy of race-based violence does not, it should be noted, fall into any of those protected categories.

I agree but this policy is not applied evenly.

> a business absolutely can refuse service to customers it finds > objectionable.

How was the gay wedding cake thing able to progress then?

<comment><USER25> LGBT people are a protected class, nazis are not.

<comment><USER23> Depends on the state in the US.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> Why do we need registrars at all? They don't seem to do a whole lot, but they charge quite a bit for it. The "service" they provide is handed down from a pseudo-government organization.

I suppose someone needs to resolve naming conflicts, and charge rent so unused domains eventually go away.

I wonder if anyone's made a DNS system where the registry can detect conflicts but doesn't actually know what domains you own. So you pay $10 for some encryption key or something, which happens to correspond to a domain, but nobody including the registrar can tell which domain the key maps to. If you stop paying, the domain stops resolving; but nobody knows who's paying.

</comment><comment><USER27> What is the option for someone to register a domain name if every domain registrar refuses to do business with them? I may have the terminology wrong, since the domain is registered but needs to be transferred to another registrar.

</comment><comment><USER28> Regardless of the topic, censorship (private or public) can never be an acceptable reaction. To quote Louis Brandeis (Supreme Court Justice): "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."

EDIT: I was not expecting to be downvoted when quoting a SCOTUS Justice arguing for openness of debates, education and spreading of knowledge. I'm savoring the irony.

<comment><USER22> This is a stronger comment if you first make the case that refusal to do business with someone is censorship.

I mean, I see at least a vague analogy between not doing business with Nazis and not inviting boring people over for dinner. Is choosing dinner guests censorship?

<comment><USER28> It becomes censorship when all accesses to a medium (ie. DNS resolvers) are privatized. In other words, if all private providers refuse them access to a medium and if we agree this people still have rights, there is nothing in place to defend these rights. The collective action to refuse them access is therefore censorship.

<comment><USER29> So what you're suggesting is that DNS and domain registration and web hosting should all be public services operated by the government, because only the government is obligated to protect internet content from censorship? Or are you simply arguing that private businesses should be required to accept money from anyone to host any content, including content that is illegal in other countries or content that is against their personal beliefs?

<comment><USER28> Those are real questions to which I don't have an answer.

Although I don't believe web hosting is the problem here. Anyone can build a server and have it accessed using his own IP. So censorship (by design or as a byproduct) would be hard to achieve (except DDoS obviously).

Registrar are a lot more relevant because they are a service that make internet addresses intelligible to humans. So preventing one from accessing this service (either by design or as a byproduct) is an hindrance to their ability to communicate more broadly the content of their server. Same goes with search engines BTW.

Also, there is another solutions worth exploring: decentralized DNS registration.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> Always good to keep the following quote often attributed to Voltaire in mind : "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

<comment><USER31> Google is _not_ preventing the Daily Stormer from spewing their swill. They aren't interfering with the Daily Stormer's rights in any way. They're just refusing to support the Daily Stormer on their commercial platform. In that, Google is well within their rights. The Daily Stormer is capable of taking their business elsewhere.

<comment><USER32> Of course Google has that right. I question whether it will have the intended effect, though. Pretty sure isolating extremists tends to cause further extremism.

<comment><USER5> No, isolating the communities from which extremists are drawn causes further extremism, isolating extremists does not.

There is a challenge in isolating extremists while not isolating (and, indeed, productively engaging) the communities from which members are radicalized, and quite often brute-force efforts to isolate extremists (especially ones keying on race, nationality, and religion) end up isolating the feeder communities _with_ the extremists, which is about the worst possible outcome.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> I will stop using Gmail and move my email elsewhere as google banned the accounts of Jordan B Peterson and Dennis Cooper, people who do NOT spread hate. Google is a SJW company.

<comment><USER34> Why are you mentioning this reasoning in the context of DailyStormer?

</comment></comment><comment><USER35> This is a terrible precedent.

Cant wait until they cancel domain registration of sites that disagree with Google.

<comment><USER10> Not everything is a slippery slope.

<comment><USER36> Yes, but some things should be protected vehemently.

<comment><USER37> Nah.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Hogwatch – a bandwidth monitor that shows per process network transfer - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/akshayKMR/hogwatch <comment><USER2> Under the hood, this is using nethogs. Here's how nethogs associates traffic with a process:

On linux the file /proc/net/tcp lists all established TCP connections. It includes the local and remote socket addresses and the inode number for the local socket. Nethogs uses libpcap to sniff traffic and associate it with its entry in /proc/net/tcp. It takes the inode from there and scans through /proc/*/fd/ looking for the file descripter that has that inode to determine which process has the socket open. Once it finds the process it adds it to a table of inode to process id mappings so it doesn't have to scan through /proc again the second time a packet for that connection comes through.

</comment><comment><USER3> Hey, project author here. This is the first python package or project for that matter I've built for my college assignment.

I am really overwhelmed by the response. However the project is still very much unifinished.

Here are somethings that need to be fixed/added for eg.

-fix some bugs on frontend.(proper sort on listing/chart switching etc.)

-Kill nethogs process on exit // fails sometimes

-Store history for restarts.

-proper packaging.

-unit tests.

I'll add the above to the readme.md

First time on Hackernews/Github feed feels great though. Cheers.

</comment><comment><USER4> If you're on Mac and just want to monitor the connections that each process makes (not the bandwidth), Radio Silence just got a built-in network monitor a few weeks ago: [https://radiosilenceapp.com](https://radiosilenceapp.com)

Disclaimer: I'm the author

<comment><USER5> Nice, first time I hear about it and seems really nice. Good work.

If I only wanted to monitor network connections on my mac, and block/allow them forever/for a limited time, is there any difference in functionality between this and Little Snitcher?

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> On OS X I use Little Snitch. Unfortunately, it's not free.

I noticed in one of your screenshots you use LS as well, do they serve different purposes or was it just a project for fun?

<comment><USER7> Somewhat on topic, anyone know of something like Little Snitch for Linux?

<comment><USER8> There's LeopardFire: [https://github.com/themighty1/lpfw](https://github.com/themighty1/lpfw)

IIRC, it is the most recently active project. As far as I can tell, the whole user-facing, interactive firewall program never really caught on in linux land.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> On Windows: Sysinternals Process Explorer, already mentioned Glasswire and NetBalancer and a bunch of other apps, almost all which aren't very good at all. But Glasswire is very nice.

<comment><USER10> Also from Windows 8 and up the built in task manager has per process network usage along with disk usage. Makes it real easy to find bottlenecks or resource hogs.

<comment><USER11> Does this require Administrator rights to see this granularity? In my office as a non-admin user, we have noticed that Task Manager seems really crippled.

<comment><USER12> You won't see other users processes, at least on my box however the detail is there for yours. Probably possible for it to be crippled by group policy.

<comment><USER13> In previous versions of Windows, the task manager menus could be toggled by double clicking an empty area in the window. You should also be able to select additional columns to display in the options. Note: I haven't used the win8 taskmgr.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> A quick alternative on Mac is "nettop" in the Terminal

</comment><comment><USER15> Nice. I use Little Snitch myself. I also appreciate the clever naming. ;)

</comment><comment><USER16> The final build should have proper shebangs and I also noticed the CSS is a little messy. I'll submit a pull request in a bit.

Otherwise I'll give it a shot.

</comment><comment><USER17> I've been working on a similar python webserver + webview GUI from that used in this repo, but aren't there security concerns of just opening it up to the local network? Aren't you exposing your entire API to any app on the same computer?

<comment><USER18> I don't think so. If you look at the code carefully, it's pretty much one way traffic. Nothing of significance goes from Client/Webview to the server to get executed.

I was however hoping for authorization based handshakes. Maybe he'll put it in sometime.

On a side note: The project author doesn't sleep enough. He's a good friend. And also it's Finals Week now. :P

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> Dammit, now I've gone down a Terry Pratchett black hole again. Thanks, cujanovic.

</comment><comment><USER20> NetBalancer is a similar tool for Windows, with interesting functionality, but not free [https://netbalancer.com](https://netbalancer.com)

<comment><USER21> Resource Monitor (resmon.exe) is built-in and will display per process up/down network usage. It does not have per-process graphs AFAIK.

<comment><USER22> It does, you just have to select them: [http://i.imgur.com/begi54h.png](http://i.imgur.com/begi54h.png) (notice orange lines)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> cli version

[http://linux.die.net/man/8/netstat](http://linux.die.net/man/8/netstat)

similarly for disk

[http://linux.die.net/man/1/iotop](http://linux.die.net/man/1/iotop)

<comment><USER16> I use nethogs myself but it's not being placed on repos/ppa lately :( [http://askubuntu.com/questions/726601/nethogs-%E2%86%92-crea...](http://askubuntu.com/questions/726601/nethogs-%E2%86%92-creating- socket-failed-while-establishing-local-ip-are-you-root)

<comment><USER24> My current tool of choice for on-demand console traffic monitoring is tcptrack.[0] Uses libpcap so accepts the same filtering syntax as tcpdump.

It can be pretty CPU intensive, so I would recommend against running it on production perimeter systems. Also, the 2 second default retention period is a bit short.

But all in all very handy.

0: [https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/tcptrack](https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/tcptrack)

<comment><USER16> Thanks, I'll give this a try.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> would be nice to configure a central server to which to push data to and list the machine name with each entry so you can monitor all machines on a network and see who and what is hogging the bandwidth. Might give it a go

<comment><USER26> At a network-level, other tools are often used (e.g. sflow, netflow, ipfix, etc.).

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> etherape is another option on Linux.</comment>


Effects of Automation: What to Do with All the Humans? - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/@binyamin/effects-of-automation-what-to-do-with-all-the-humans-7556935c04af <comment><USER2> I think there is a general impression AI will start at the bottom wrung and slowly get smarter. But, it seems to me that Chess and GO are Intellectual games. So, doesn't it stand to reason Intellectual jobs will be just as likely(if not more) to fall to AI first.

<comment><AUTHOR> It's not about which jobs fall to AI first. It's about the fact that sooner or later - maybe 30 years instead of 20 - they will fall to AI, and when they do, you're going to have 8 billion angry starving people, and you need to do something with them.</comment></comment>


32c3 "payment hack": Outdated payment protocols expose customers and merchants - <AUTHOR> https://srlabs.de/pos-vulns/ <comment><AUTHOR> Payment systems are old and have – unlike card protocols – seen little scrutiny so far. This talk enumerates design and implementation flaws in payment processing systems, which can defraud consumers and merchants.

Like most embedded devices, payment system elements are potentially vulnerable to a range of attacks. This has not changed in years. What did change, though, is the exposure of these vulnerabilities: Serial interfaces are now exposed via ethernet; proprietary backend protocols are reachable over the Internet TCP, and flaws in real time operating systems are widely known.

This talk provides an overview of design issues and implementation vulnerabilities in current payment processing systems, including un- authenticated protocols and insecure hardware implementations, which enable fraud vectors against merchants who operate payment terminals and consumers who use them.

[https://events.ccc.de/congress/2015/Fahrplan/events/7368.htm...](https://events.ccc.de/congress/2015/Fahrplan/events/7368.html)</comment>


Googler v3.2 – Google Search, Google Site Search, Google News from the Terminal - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/jarun/googler/releases/tag/v3.2 <comment><AUTHOR> ## What's in?

\- Basic authentication with `--proxy`

\- Option `--unfilter` to include similar results

\- New `googler @ts` : Manga Reader, Mac Rumors, OMG! Ubuntu!

\- Fix: skip certain card results with `--noua`

\- Options `--json` and `--exact` decoupled

Homepage: [https://github.com/jarun/googler](https://github.com/jarun/googler)

Features: [https://github.com/jarun/googler#features](https://github.com/jarun/googler#features)</comment>


Yet Another Hacker News Reader - <AUTHOR> http://www.yahnrdr.com/

<comment><USER2> This one is actually very neat! Would be nice if it was possible to chose your own background color.

<comment><AUTHOR> Will do :)</comment></comment>


Opera Mini Coming To Multiple Platforms And Handsets, Including iPhone - <AUTHOR> http://blog.appboy.com/2010/02/opera-mini-coming-to-multiple-platforms-and-handsets-including-iphone/ It's fair to say since the introduction of the iPhone, mobile Safari has had a tough time with users. From the intermittent crashing issues back on firmware 1.1.3 to lack of caching of pages in tab view, people quickly felt that they needed a replacement, one which would more over mirror that of their desktop browser on their Mac or PC. <comment><USER2> It's a trap!

If Apple rejects it's application, Opera will complain about a monopoly to the EU with some words about a closed system intentionally preventing competition and... Stop me if you've heard this before.

Theoretically, if they got in bed with Adobe and included flash support, Apple is going to have a real problem on it's hands.

<comment><USER3> This is Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile, and these kind of transcoding services for low power, or low bandwith, use are generally, though not necessarily, incompatible with Flash.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Lets hope that Apple will allow users to choose their browser on the iPhone.</comment>


Variations on a Name: The -Punks of Our Times - <AUTHOR> http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/variations-on-a-name-the-punks-of-our-times/ <comment><AUTHOR> Just thought of togapunk, and found it has a single mention on instagram and another single one on twitter by different people 8 years apart.

[https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/togapunk/](https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/togapunk/)

[https://twitter.com/hashtag/togapunk](https://twitter.com/hashtag/togapunk)

edit - am now wondering about a crack team of ancient greek philosophers using resonant pendulums to try and hack an airgapped ankythera mechanism.

</comment><comment><USER2> Also check out this neat illustrated "timeline" of "-punks". [https://imgur.com/gallery/WkIU2](https://imgur.com/gallery/WkIU2)

Only the end I would change. First I would put Cyberpunk into the 1990-2000 years. And then I would add another category for all movies that have this "bright", "plastic" and "clean" look like GATTACA, 2001, Minority Report or Oblivion. And then add another category for all the rough and dirty movies like District nine or Edge of tomorrow that seem to be fashionable now. But I don't have good names for these yet. What do you think?

<comment><USER3>
       First I would put Cyberpunk into the 1990-2000 years.

I don't see how this works, most of the core Cyberpunk books were at least technologically well past even current level, let alone 2000ish. What is your thinking for 1990-2000 ?

<comment><USER4> That figure seems a bit confused.

Up until the final categories, it seems more like it is attempting to delineate time periods sourcing that dominant flavor of scifi, not the time period postulated in its fiction. It lists the contemporary topics influencing that fiction.

But, it then goes wrong as it wavers and transitions into future time periods.

Sticking to the writers' eras, it is the listed "cassette futurism" period that is really cyberpunk. That's where it was born, influenced by those technologies, dystopian ideas, and noir aesthetics. By the 90s, we were into post-cyberpunk works like Snowcrash, reacting with parody and snarky absurdity.

<comment><USER3> I not sure I agree, and read it it is an attempt to map the source material influencing the writing, not the writers eras at all. Steampunk particularly doesn't make sense as a map to writers eras.

At any rate, I understand the confusion now. As you note Cyberpunk proper was having it's obituary written, in some ways, in very early 90s, and the core of it was written well previous to that. So 1990-2000 doesn't fit well as either writers timeline or (in a handwavey sense) technology timeline.

<comment><USER4> I may be showing my ignorance, but I think those like Verne and even Shelley were the original steampunk authors. I don't think of it as a totally separate genre as people continue to try to recapture and riff on the same styles and set pieces almost two centuries later. It is born of that era.

Similarly, I think you could still write new cyberpunk. It's not dead, but on hiatus.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Knuppunk: hardcore palindrome enthusiasts

<comment><USER6> I think knupunk has a better ring to it, and is still a palindrome.

<comment><USER5> Excellent, you are correct.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I'm a fan of Seusspunk... the kind of semi-organic machines with everything operated by robot hands wearing white gloves.

<comment><USER8> as someone whose kids love The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse I will henceforth identify them as seusspunk enthusiasts.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> Aww, it left off my favorite "-punk" of all: trustpunks. Trust-fund children who, for whatever reason, find the need to pretend to be poor punks.

<comment><AUTHOR> Anarchosyndicalism's history does lead to Prince Kropotkin, who was in some ways the very model of a trustafarian uppercrusty.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> Taking minor offense that solarpunk is considered an invented fiction. Permies have been lusting after it as a reality for at least 10 years haha

</comment><comment><USER11> Plasticpunk

Featherpunk

Postpunk

</comment><comment><USER12> Next time someone says "just let people enjoy things" I'm going to point them to this article and ask them if this is what they really want for this world

<comment><USER7> What do you mean by this?

<comment><USER13> I think he means that this is really, really stupid.

<comment><AUTHOR> I think this is hardly the depths of the rabbithole of stupidity that humans are capable of. For instance, how can we combine these various -punk genres into professional wrestling?</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: How should programmers work - <AUTHOR> I have been working as a programmer for over a decade, and recently I have noticed that my best ideas and insights come when I am walking down the road, driving, enjoying a nice view in a city or somewhere I like - they almost _never_ happen when I am working, sitting in front of a monitor and keyboard. Yet, my job (and that of all other engineers in my company and in many other companies) requires me to sit for hours in front of a machine in order to work.
I feel it is high time we the global community of programmers redefine how we should work, and drive that change in companies. Maybe this is a lofty goal, but it has to start with some ideas about how programmers (and other engineers who need to work with software) should work in any company in today's age.
Please enlighten me with your opinions. <comment><USER2> My best ideas come to me when I'm not focusing on work, but either walking, swimming, biking, or doing something else. Sometimes I will be working on something and get stuck, and I can go to sleep and go back to it later and fix it. Other times, it might take me a week of being away from it to just think outside the box and come up with another way to make it happen. Another thing I like to do is just to scroll through Y Cominbinator's Hacker News and read articles or see what other people are doing. I also tend to take a look at major social media networks and look at the "smaller features" that no one really knows about or that they didn't put a whole lot of time or focus on, and I re-create those and make them better.

For example, I wanted a place that I could post anything on the Internet (plain or HTML) without much trouble.. I didn't want to sign up for an account, I didn't want to put in my email in order to gain access, or connect one of my social media accounts to it, I just wanted to remain anonymous and write something or create a web page and share it with my friends or others on the Internet, simple and straightforward. In my research to see if it existed, I had only found one called pen.io and while I loved it, I saw the value of it, it was still restrictive of my needs. I wanted to use HTML and CSS and even JavaScript if I desired, so I created it. [https://mypost.io/](https://mypost.io/)

Our best ideas, I think, actually come to us when we're not so tuned in, but rather, tuned out. Programmers should definitely take up a hobby of doing something other than focusing on their work. Start a blog, start a website, read articles, share thoughts and ideas with like-minded people... your money making ideas are there, you just haven't figured out how to fully understand them yet. Having a hobby allows for our brain to think another way, and sometimes, we do have to apply that logic to our programming. Even at work, as a web developer, I can only sit and stare at the computer screen for so long, before I just need to walk around the building 2 or 3 times to feel refreshed again.

</comment><comment><USER3> This analogy won't make sense to (most) younger people but I think that in order to make new insights you need to take the pressure off. Metaphorically speaking, to "change gears" you need to push the clutch in.

For me, I "load the machine up" like a dishwasher during the day and when I wake up, a lot of times, the machine has come up with the answer overnight. It delivers the answer during my morning shower.</comment>


A lightbulb moment for nuclear fusion? - <AUTHOR> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/27/nuclear-fusion-research-power-generation-iter-jet-step-carbon-neutral-2050-boris-johnson <comment><USER2> Nobody expects to actually get useful power out of tokamaks. That's not their purpose. Tokamaks are a jobs program for high-neutron flux physicists, to ensure there is a population to draw on for weapons work.

Any attempt at actually generating power with one would destroy the most expensive parts in no time, leaving you with thousands of tons of radioactive junk.</comment>


Senate Conservatives Warn Reid Against Protect IP - <AUTHOR> http://blog.heritage.org/2012/01/13/senate-conservatives-warn-reid-against-protect-ip-blitz/

<comment><USER2> 6 Conservative Co-Sponsors of PIPA warn Reid against vote on it.

There, fixed that for you.</comment>


Whenever I work on this side project, my relationship ends shortly after - <AUTHOR> https://blog.tlensing.org/2016/05/31/whenever-i-start-working-on-this-side-project-my-relationship-ends-shortly-after/ <comment><USER2> He should find an independent girl-friend that has her own side project.

They could code side by side on their laptops in the park.

</comment><comment><USER3> Not enough info to really draw a conclusion, except to say many of us have SO's that are perfectly happy letting us indulge in our projects.</comment>


The Programmer and the Stone Statue - <AUTHOR> http://janogonzalez.com/2013/12/27/the-programmer-and-the-stone-statue.html

<comment><USER2> The master then showed the programmer the statue's revision history.

<comment><USER3> "What a crappy statue, who did this POS"

One revision history later... "oh good god, it was me".

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> The originals - [http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html](http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html)

See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_koan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_koan)

<comment><USER5> I have to say that I like this koan quite a bit more than the original programmer koans, which have always struck me as disappointingly shallow and rather more like knock-knock jokes.

<comment><USER6> They _are_ jokes.

<comment><USER5> Real koans often have a joke-like quality to them as well – both jokes and koans tend to entail a sudden shift of perspective – but the original programmer koans have no element of enlightenment.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> For those interested in more of these programming related koans: [http://thecodelesscode.com/](http://thecodelesscode.com/)

</comment><comment><USER8> Okay, I'll bite. I don't get it.

<comment><USER9> One possible interpretation: Things that are valuable (be it artistic creations or useful tools) will overshadow their inventors. If you want your work to be recognized, then you should care more about your work than about being recognized for it.

<comment><USER10> > _Things that are valuable (be it artistic creations or useful tools) will > overshadow their inventors._ //

Almost all the artistic works that I can recognise on sight I have an idea who the artist was/is. Often you can see a work for the first time and have a guess at the artist. I don't think it works really - maybe for certain areas and/or with historic pieces (like who carved the Lewis Chessmen?)?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> the point of art (code) should not be for recognition. create for the sake of taking the journey of creation, its much more fulfilling, and let others enjoy or not the creation. many famous artists were dead long before they were recognized for their brilliance.

</comment><comment><USER12> 20,000,000 people used our software last year. Perhaps 100 of them know who we are. I find this oddly gratifying, in some variety of Wizard-of-Oz type fashion.</comment>


A Mozilla experiment for blocking in-page pop-ups - <AUTHOR> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/in-page-pop-up-reporter/ <comment><AUTHOR> Note (couldn't think of a more descriptive concise title): this is an extension that merely allows you to report such pop-ups, to help them learn what they look like. There's also a Chrome version available: [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/in-page-pop-up- rep...](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/in-page-pop-up- reporter/dkpphegmeomaffjanagefmejpeebfcmh)</comment>


Ask HN: Review my startup - <AUTHOR>

My startup is http://curenote.com. It's a social health site that allows people to ask and answer different health questions.<p>People can share what they did to cure them of an illness, share what their doctor told them or share certain symptoms they may experience. It's a great way of getting information form others before and after seeing the doctor. <comment><USER2> <quote>

 _I'm a 17 year old male, 140-150 pounds and 6 feet tall. Lately I've been experience pains and what appear to be some kind of mass in my RIGHT breast/nipple area. It hurts A LOT when I put pressure on it, or if I'm playing guitar and the body of the guitar presses against it. I've had an inverted nipple (I think that's what it is?) as long as I can remember on my LEFT breast._

 _I've checked several websites on the internet and I'm not sure what to believe. I was wondering if someone could offer some advice before I go see a doctor?_

</quote>

\---

And the only right answer to this question is... right!... "go see a doctor." Blind leading a blind is rarely a good thing, and it is an especially bad idea when it is concerned with one's health.

</comment><comment><USER3> I skimmed the front page of questions and answers, it looks more like "Yahoo Answers: Health" than "Mayo Clinic: Social". Trust is going to be a problem.

Also, this is essentially a StackExchange type site, and if you search their Area51 page for medicine and health, there seems to be minimal interest over there.

</comment><comment><USER4> It is not great way to gather information about illnesses because when those people googling for information about illness go actually to meet the doctors they tend to know their illness better than the doctor when the doctor in reality knows it better than non-trained sick person. This is already happening in here and it's making the job of real doctors harder because they have to prove the patients information wrong.

Though yes this might create cheaper option for basic health care in the US where it is not already paid by taxes.</comment>