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|Ritter / Banner saddle
Date Climbed: Jul 3, 2006
|I wanted to day-hike both Ritter and Banner from Agnew Meadows. From the saddle it took me about 40 min to get to the summit. Finding the summit was a little confusing and required a short traverse along the ridge. It took me also about 40 min to descend to the saddle. I hate scree slopes... From there I went up the North Face of Ritter to the summit, down the SE glacier and back to the car - 13.5 hrs total.
|Posted Jul 7, 2006 7:31 am
Date Climbed: May 28, 2006
|It seemed like our group of 3 had the entire Ansel Adams Wilderness to ourselves. We had to start at the resort and hiked most of the way on snow. After setting up camp above Shadow lake we watched the storm break up over Ritter/Banner, then summited Banner the following morning. The exposure down the North Face was impressive.
|Posted May 30, 2006 4:49 pm
|Ritter/Banner Saddle
Date Climbed: Jun 18, 2005
|Unseasonably cold, with new snow the previous night, but a great peak.
|Posted May 14, 2006 10:41 pm
|Route Climbed: from catherine lake Date Climbed: 6/15/2004
|Long day hike. Went in the high trail to 1000 island and met a friend a catherine lake. Then up the glacier to the summit
|Posted Nov 8, 2005 6:49 pm
|Route Climbed: Saddle 2nd class
|nice view
|Posted Oct 16, 2005 12:08 pm
|Route Climbed: Catherine Lake to Ritter Banner Saddle Date Climbed: August 9, 1998
|This was my first true peak bagging adventure. It is the perfect introductory Class 2-3 excursion. After a heavy winter, the trip to the summit was straightforward. We did it without crampons, but I would recommend them for the afternoon climb down. I did manage to slide down the main glacier twice but the suncups slowed me down just enough to brake before what could have been a swift trip right into Lake Catherine.
There were about 4 parties who summitted the same day. Each took a different route to the top and back down. On the way up we went over the North Glacier Pass and down to Lake Catherine, then straight up the glacier to the saddle. It was a heavy enough winter that we stayed on snow the entire time until veering left at the saddle to make the final ascent. The final push to the summit from the saddle was very slow going on account of tedious rock scrambling. To cut some time off of the return, we jumped off of the glacier halfway down and found a challenging Class 3 rock route with a few Class 4 legs to add a little excitement. This route took us to the North side of the peak. This required a little route searching and backtracking to avoid any technical climbing, but still saved us time.
Summitting Banner from Thousand Island Lake and the Lake Catherine Route can easily be done in two days, although three makes for a less rushed and more enjoyable experience.
|Posted Sep 6, 2005 6:23 pm
|Desert Solitaire
|Route Climbed: Ritter/Banner Saddle Date Climbed: August 26, 2005
|Long, boring climb, especially if combined after ritter. Some interesting cl 3 moves near the summit, but still a slog. Enroute down the chute below the saddle posed some problems for me and I took a hard fall, thankfully arresting. It seemed to take quite a toll on my performance and composure back to camp. All's well that ends well - a fun and humbling experience.
|Posted Sep 5, 2005 5:08 pm
|Route Climbed: Western slope from R/B Saddle Date Climbed: 8/26/05
|Climbed along with Ritter from the cars on Friday. Then, back to camp Friday night. Hiked out Saturday.
|Posted Aug 29, 2005 1:56 am
|Route Climbed: Thousand Island Lake-Lake Catherine Glacier Date Climbed: 8/11/2005
|Incredible ascent with bouldering and a cramponless ascent up the Glacier. We were able to step onto the glacier by using treking poles and a retrieval rope so that each of the Venturers could ascend. Weather was perfect and the views tremendous. We believe we saw Mt. Diablo at 283° but will have to verify.
Summiters included: Quin S, Ross O, Drew L, Scott P, Emerson P, Andy S and Jeff L
|Posted Aug 15, 2005 1:50 pm
|Route Climbed: From Catherine Lake (near maximal glacier!) Date Climbed: 22 July 2005
|Starting from the 1000 Island Lake area, we were on snow most of the way to North Glacier Pass. Contoured around toward the glacier, crossing a few steep snow slopes (one of which had some icy stretches and proved to be the most treacherous part of the entire climb). We were using ice axes, but never broke out the crampons. The glacier was a cruise with soft, steppable snow. Got up to the saddle, and slogged up the final stretch. Summit was a bit obscured by clouds, making route finding slightly more difficult. Just kept going up until couldn't go up any more. After visiting several of the high points and giving up on finding the register, I found it. Route from 1000 Island Lake was fairly long, but technically easy and very pretty.
|Posted Jul 31, 2005 11:46 am
|Route Climbed: From Lake Catherine Date Climbed: June 17, 2003
|Nice rock scramble.
|Posted Jul 26, 2005 10:40 pm
|Route Climbed: ritter banner saddle Date Climbed: July 2004
Date Climbed: Sep 2, 2012
|From saddle, approached from garnet lake side and descended to Catherine Lake side.
|Posted Apr 19, 2005 2:26 pm
|Route Climbed: Via Catherine Lake Date Climbed: 1979
|Day hike from Agnew Meadows. Hiked into Ediza Lake and then went cross-country. One of my best days in the hills.
|Posted Dec 10, 2004 8:09 pm
|Route Climbed: From the Ritter-Banner saddle Date Climbed: 25 September, 2004
|Very worthy peak- one of the gems of the Sierra! After talking about this trip for the better part of a year, Lara & I finally got over here. Thousand Island Lake is probably one of the most beautiful campsites I've ever had.
After getting a late start, got to the Ritter-Banner saddle at 14.00. Going to the R of the standard (steep) talus slog, went up some enjoyable 4th class (somewhat slick, but nice & solid metamorphic rock- cool!) to end up R of the true summit. Traversed, summiting @ 16.07. Lara ended up a few minutes later.
Enjoyed spectacular views- great views of Mono Lake, Lyell-area peaks, northern Yosemite peaks, Mammoth-area peaks & beyond (& of course Ritter!). Ritter's N face still had unmelted 'powder' covering ledges from a recent storm, making for dicey-looking, exposed 3rd-class. Hung out for awhile, enjoying the great weather.
Left the summit at 16.55. Got back to camp late- very grateful for an almost-full moon (actually a beautiful night for a no-headlamp return). Hopefully Ritter's impressive-looking summit is in the future.
|Posted Sep 28, 2004 1:26 am
|Route Climbed: SW Slope from Ritter-Banner Saddle Date Climbed: August 30, 2004
|Much higher quality rock, and a much better experience than next-door Ritter, which we climbed earlier in the day. See the trip report for all of the sordid details.
September 19, 2007 Climbed the East Corner route, III 5.7, long day. Here's the trip report.
|Posted Sep 2, 2004 10:47 am
|Route Climbed: SW Slope from Ritter-Banner saddle Date Climbed: August 30, 2004
|After descending Ritter's N Face, Barry Beck & I took a quick trip up Banner. Easy climb, and very stable. A nice summit, with great views! Very low snow allowed us to traverse down some ledges to the glacier, missing the steep couloir in favor of wet class 3 rock in the center of the saddle. From the end of the glacier, the descent sucked until the use trail from Ediza was met. Tennis-type approach shoes don't do well on unfriendly talus! Round-trip from Agnew Meadow was something like sunrise to sunset....
|Posted Sep 1, 2004 4:26 pm
|Route Climbed: West slope from R/B Saddle Date Climbed: May 25th, 2004
|Hiked in and camped above Lake Ediza the day before. I left camp at 4:10, took an easy pace and reached the saddle by 6am, and the summit shortly after 6:40. I couldn't find the summit register, nor could I easily tell what lump of rocks was the high point, so I traversed the summit ridge before descending to the saddle to continue on to Mt Ritter.
|Posted May 27, 2004 9:33 pm
|Route Climbed: From R-B Saddle Date Climbed: August 1976
|Day hiked from Agnew Meadow. Climbed to Ritter-Banner Saddle, did Banner first then Ritter. Descended south east slopes of Ritter.
|Posted Jan 20, 2004 5:47 pm
|Route Climbed: Western Slope from R/B Saddle Date Climbed: 10/17/03
|Did a solo ascent. Left Ediza lake around 7am and started the slow tedious ascent of the talus slopes. I didn't like the look of the runneled coulour so found a traverse on the south side of the "Glacier" that headed up the side of Ritter to the saddle. Traversed the saddle and headed up to reach the summit around noon. On the way down ran into "John from Lafayette" and "Frank from England" who just finished climbing the coulour.
A fun climb, but mostly consisted of non-stop talus slopes.
|Posted Oct 18, 2003 9:58 pm
|Route Climbed: Western Slope from R/B Saddle Date Climbed: October 11, 2003
|After summiting Ritter at 2:33pm, I descended Ritter's North Face via the Classic Chute. Rested a few minutes at the saddle and started up the western slope at 3:23pm. I reached the summit of Banner at 4:00pm. Remained there 'til 4:15pm. Put crampons back on at the saddle and headed down the runnelled, icy chute by 5:00pm. I pulled into camp (Ediza Lake) at 6:20pm. Broke camp and hiked out. Back at the Agnew Meadows trailhead at 9:40pm.
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I'm a noob.
Can't find the CSS referring to the page width anywhere.
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The theme is imbalance 2
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I've already mangled some of the CSS to get it looking like this :D
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I don't know what a child theme is.
So, I tried your second suggestion but it doesn't affect the page size.
I can't find the element style for the wrapper.
Does it look like this: #wrapper ?
It's not in the stylesheet?
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OK I did it.
This is the piece of code that I changed, in the style sheet css:
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Although ideally I would like the page content to stretch to fit the browser window, like the rest of the site does...
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While signed with Epic Records, Karmin released an EP and studio album. They even scored a Billboard Hot 100 Top 20 hit with "Brokenhearted." Though their experience was positive with Epic, the duo asked out of their contract to return to their indie roots for their sophomore effort, Leo Rising.
Nick Noonan explains to Billboard, "We developed amazing relationships that we would not have today without them, they gave us the radio start. But we just felt it was a different thing [musically] from what they thought it was." Amy Heidemann added, "We were hungry to try a more musically honest approach. We wanted to be a little bit nerdier than we think they had hoped."
Writing and producing their owns songs isn't all they're tackling these days. The real life couple went all DIY while filming their music video for "Along The Road." With some supplies purchased at Home Depot and thousands of sample shoes from Creative Rec, they created the eye-catching backdrop in the visual. Check out their video below.
If I didn't know any better, I'd swear it was the 90s all over again. Watching Karmin's latest clip reminds me of all those Hype Williams-directed R&B clips so popular during that decade. If you were alive kicking it then, you know it was all about those colorful vignettes and fish eye perspectives. The real-life couple even busts out some choreography– a first for them.
"We had people around us at the time who tried to steer the Karmin ship a certain way, so it feels good to create something like this where we are at the helm and can really be proud of. The video definitely plays homage to the 90s videos we grew up with and are still inspired by today," – Amy Heidemann
Karmin definitely hit the nail on the head. This clip is so on point, it could easily blend with any of Destiny's Child, Missy Elliott or R. Kelly videos from that era. Hopefully the throwback video will help "Acapella" on the charts. So far it's only peaked at No. 38 on the pop one but hasn't made a dent on the Billboard Hot 100. Check out the fun visual below. As always, Nick Noonan is as handsome as ever. Dude needs to go shirtless in an upcoming vid. Sex sells honey. Sex sells.
She's been behind some of the biggest hits in recent memory. In only makes sense that Bonnie McKee forge a recording career of her own. The 29-year-old singer-songwriter debuted the music video for "American Girl" and enlisted a few of her famous friends to lip sync for their lives.
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Before we get to the new track, can we briefly talk about how insanely cute Nick Noonan looks on the cover art? WOOF. That Amy Heidemann sure is one lucky chick.
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"We flipped the original meaning of Acapella to mean 'D.I.Y.' or should we say 'D.I.A. – Do It Acapella!" – Amy Heidemann
I have to say, at first I wasn't sure how I felt about it. After a couple of spins though, I found the hook irresistibly catchy and couldn't get it out of my head. Give it a listen below and see if you find yourself in the same predicament afterward.
What do you get when you mix pop duo Karmin with clothing from Coach and stylist Rachel Zoe? You get a music video for the classic Christmas song, "Sleigh Ride". The "Brokenhearted" hitmakers are all dressed up for winter in fashionable threads from Coach's 2012 winter collection.
The plaid fringe cape worn by Amy Heidemann in the clip is absolutely gorgeous. Don't even get me started on Nick Noonan's wardrobe. I want that tote, the duffel, the cardigan… I want it all. Mind you, anything looks good on that sexy Nick. Too bad he's engaged (and straight) *wink* All the outfits were put together and accessorized by celebrity stylist extraordinaire Rachel Zoe.
Pure commercialism pimping aside (which I love) I actually like their rendition of the classic holiday tune, especially the rap interlude. It's also nice to her Nick sing on a track besides being relegated to keyboard guy. They should really duet more often for future releases. As stylish as Karmin are, the video looks like a Target commercial. Probably not the vibe Coach was looking for. Watch it below and you'll see what I mean.
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One Direction maybe the biggest boy band in the world right now, but it's another UK quintet that's going to serenade New York crowds. The Wanted will bundle up in their stylish coats and scarves to perform SLASH lip sync on November 22. To be fair, do any of the acts actually sing during the parade? Must be a technical thing that organizers don't want to chance. Find out who else will be joining the "Glad You Came" group on Thanksgiving day.
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Karmin's "Brokenhearted" has truly become one of my favorite guilty-pleasure tracks this summer. You can't even imagine how many times my friends and I have uttered "cheerio". Coming off their first Top 20 hit, the duo just released their music video for "Hello", the third single and title track from their debut album. Just like them, it's a cute and colorful affair. It's the perfect visual for the Stargate-produced track.
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The lake sturgeon (Acipenser fulvescens), also called rock sturgeon,[2] is a North American temperate freshwater fish, one of about 25 species of sturgeon. Like other sturgeons, this species is an evolutionarily ancient bottom feeder with a partly cartilaginous skeleton, an overall streamlined shape and skin bearing rows of bony plates on its sides and back, resembling an armored torpedo. The fish uses its elongated, spadelike snout to stir up the substrate and sediments on the beds of rivers and lakes while feeding. The lake sturgeon has four purely sensory organs that dangle near its mouth. These organs, called barbels, help the sturgeon to locate bottom-dwelling prey. Lake sturgeons can grow to a relatively large size, topping 7.25 ft (2.2 m) long and weighing over 240 lb (108 kg).[3]
The lake sturgeon has taste buds on and around its barbels near its rubbery, prehensile lips. It extends its lips to vacuum up soft live food, which it swallows whole due to its lack of teeth. Its diet consists of insect larvae, worms (including leeches), and other small organisms (primarily metazoan) it finds in the mud. Fish are rarely found in its diet and are likely incidental items only, with the possible exception of the invasive round goby.[4] Given that it is a large species surviving by feeding on very small species, its feeding ecology has been compared to that of large marine animals, like some whales, which survive by filter-feeding.[5]
This species occurs in the Mississippi River drainage basin south to Alabama and Mississippi. It occurs in the Great Lakes and the Detroit River, east down the St. Lawrence River to the limits of fresh water. In the west, it reaches Lake Winnipeg and the North Saskatchewan and South Saskatchewan Rivers. In the north, it is found in the Hudson Bay Lowland.[6] This distribution makes sense in that all these areas were linked by the large lakes that formed as the glaciers retreated from North America at the end of the last ice age (e.g., Lake Agassiz, Lake Iroquois).
Growth, age, and reproduction[edit]
Several populations of Lake sturgeon have experienced levels of recovery with help of USFWS. There are fisheries located in North Carolina to the Great Lakes that not only restore Lake sturgeon populations they also monitor striped bass and blue catfish. Many populations remain imperiled. The USFWS is going through measures to restore the species of Lake sturgeon by recording: abundance, distribution, age, growth and health of the species. Lake sturgeon are tagged and released by the USFWS to capture a better understanding of their life cycle. While strict regulations have been put in place to monitor harvests, hatcheries are accredited to much of their restoration of the species.[7]
Lake sturgeon are also extremely long-lived fish, and may live some 55 years. The lake sturgeon does not reach sexual maturity until its first decade of life.[8]
These fish were once killed as a nuisance bycatch because they damaged fishing gear. When their meat and eggs became prized, commercial fishermen targeted them. Between 1879 and 1900, the Great Lakes commercial sturgeon fishery brought in an average of 4 million lb (1800 metric tons) per year. Such unsustainable catch rates were coupled with environmental challenges such as pollution and the construction of dams and other flood control measures. Sturgeon, which return each spring to spawn in the streams and rivers in which they were born, found tributaries blocked and spawning shoals destroyed by silt from agriculture and lumbering. In the 20th century, drastic drops in sturgeon catches, increased regulations, and the closure of viable fisheries occurred. Currently, 19 of the 20 states within the fish's original U.S. range list it as either threatened or endangered.
This sturgeon is a valuable gourmet food fish, as well as source of specialty products including caviar and isinglass. The exploitation of the sturgeon typifies human exploitation of large animals in general. "In 1860, this species, taken on incidental catches of other fishes, was killed and dumped back in the lake, piled up on shore to dry and be burned, fed to pigs, or dug into the earth as fertilizer." [9] It was even stacked like cordwood and used to fuel steamboats. Once its value was realized, "They were taken by every available means from spearing and jigging to set lines of baited or unbaited hooks laid on the bottom to trapnets, poundnets and gillnets."[9] Over 5 million lb were taken from Lake Erie in a single year. The fishery collapsed, largely by 1900. They have never recovered. Like most sturgeons, the lake sturgeon is rare now, and is protected in many areas.
In addition to overharvesting, it has also been negatively affected by pollution and loss of migratory waterways. It is vulnerable to population declines through overfishing due to its extremely slow reproductive cycle; most individuals caught before 20 years of age have never bred and females spawn only once every four or five years. The specific harvesting of breeding females for their roe is also damaging to population size. Few individuals ever reach the extreme old age or large size that those of previous generations often did.
Today, limited sturgeon fishing seasons are permitted in only a few areas, including some locations in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Fishing for sturgeon is allowed on Black Lake in Michigan, for example, but the fishery is limited to five total fish taken each year, each over 36 in (910 mm) and taken through the ice with spears.
Anglers in Minnesota have the opportunity to harvest one lake sturgeon per calendar year between 45 and 50 in on the Rainy River and Lake of the Woods on the Canadian border. The early season runs from April 24 to May 7 each year with the late season running from July 1 to September 30. Anglers must have a valid Minnesota fishing license and purchase a sturgeon tag to harvest a lake sturgeon.
Also, an annual sturgeon spearing season is open on Lake Winnebago in Wisconsin. It has changed from a 16-day season in the past to a season with a marked quota, but the season can still run for the full 16 days. If 90–99% of the quota is reached on any day, the season is over at 12:30 pm the following day. If 100% (or more) of the quota is reached, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources can enable an emergency stoppage rule.[10] In 2012, the largest sturgeon ever caught on Lake Winnebago (a female) was 125 years old, weighed 240 lb, and measured 87.5 in in length. It was tagged and released by scientists from the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.[11]
The sturgeon is also present in Quebec in the St. Lawrence River, where it is targeted by commercial fisheries. It is also a game fish with a harvest limit of one per day.
Wolf Lake State Fish Hatchery in Kalamazoo, MI, raises and releases lake sturgeon. The lake sturgeon are produced mainly for inland waters, although a few are stocked in Great Lakes waters.
There is also a streamside rearing facility near Onaway, Michigan on the Black River. The facility is run and managed by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Michigan State University, and Tower Kliber. Each year hundreds to thousands of sturgeon are raised and released into Black Lake, and other surrounding areas. Adult sturgeon are caught in the river, and their eggs, and sperm are extracted, and taken back to the hatchery to be mixed, and left to incubate. Hatched larvae are also caught in the river with drift nets. The hatchery is open to the public, and people can also watch the crew catch the majestic creatures when they come up the river to spawn. You can even sign up to be part of the sturgeon guard, and take part in helping protect this amazing species.
The Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Manistee, MI) Sturgeon Program began in 2001. In 2002 they successfully documented natural reproduction of lake sturgeon by capturing larvae (newly hatched fish) from the Big Manistee River. The Streamside Rearing Facility for lake sturgeon on the Big Manistee River became operational in the spring of 2004 and marked the first time this technique had ever been used for this species. Since that time there have been five SRFs operated within the Lake Michigan Basin built on the same LRBOI design. Many agencies now collaborate on this effort including the US Fish and Wildlife Service, States of Michigan and Wisconsin, and many other partners. The LRBOI Nmé Stewardship Plan, created by biologists and Tribal members, was published in 2005 as a guiding document for the LRBOI sturgeon program and sturgeon restoration. A documentary video, "Manistee Nmé: A Lake Sturgeon Success Story" was released in 2011 and has been viewed by hundreds of people.
See also[edit]
- ^ St. Pierre, R. & Runstrom, A. (U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service) (2004). Acipenser fulvescens. In: IUCN 2008. IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. Retrieved 23 February 2009.
- ^ "Sturgeons". New York State Department of Conservation. Retrieved 2014-06-12.
- ^ http://www.lakescientist.com/record-lake-sturgeon-caught-in-wisconsin/
- ^ http://www.toledoblade.com/StevePollick/2005/06/12/At-last-a-use-for-trashy-Erie-gobies-sturgeon-bait.html
- ^ Scott, W.B. and E.J. Crossman. 1972. Freshwater Fisheries of Canada. Fisheries Research Board of Canada, Department of the Environment, Ottawa. p. 87.
- ^ Scott, W.B. and E.J. Crossman. 1972. Freshwater Fisheries of Canada. Fisheries Research Board of Canada, Department of the Environment, Ottawa. p. 83-84.
- ^ "Lake Sturgeon". USFWS. USFWS. Retrieved 2015-12-06.
- ^ Scott, W.B. and E.J. Crossman. 1972. Freshwater Fisheries of Canada. Fisheries Research Board of Canada, Department of the Environment, Ottawa. p. 82-89.
- ^ a b Scott, W.B. and E.J. Crossman. 1972. Freshwater Fisheries of Canada. Fisheries Research Board of Canada, Department of the Environment, Ottawa. p. 88.
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- "Acipenser fulvescens". Integrated Taxonomic Information System. Retrieved 11 March 2006.
- Froese, Rainer and Pauly, Daniel, eds. (2005). "Acipenser fulvescens" in FishBase. 10 2005 version.


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Last night Kevin Mitnick was on 60 minutes (the gist of the interview is quoted here), and I have to say he came off as an utterly harmless geek. He was an information junkie that enjoyed the challenge of cracking firewalls. He never profited from his activities and the affected companies made up their monetary losses. It's a shame he was forced to waste away in prison instead of offer his security expertise to the affected companies.
Kevin Mittnick is finally being released from prison today,
Kevin Mittnick is finally being released from prison today, but I wouldn't call what he's getting as being "free". Prohibiting Kevin from touching a computer for 3 years? This isn't like giving a toddler to a ex-con child molester, it's a computer. A person can do a lot of things besides hack into company servers. How does anyone expect Kevin to make the $125 restitution he owes each month, if he can't use a computer or get a job that requires a computer? Now that I think about it, what percentage of decent jobs are completely free of computers?
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#13901 closed Bug (wontfix)
File.chunks fails to read the entire file for some file-like objects
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The File.chunks method gets the size of the file and then decrements a counter by the chunk size for each read until it reaches 0. The problem is that the read method is not guaranteed to return the full amount requested, and so the amount read may be less than the chunk size, resulting in the counter being decremented erroneously. I ran into this bug while using a file-like object that wraps a java.io.InputStream object, whose read method returns as soon as data is available.
This patch is one possible solution, although it still has the problem that it will result in a busy-loop if the read method is entirely non-blocking. It also potentially yields non-terminal chunks smaller than the chunk size, which may not be desirable.
See also #9632, which may affect the implementation here if it is accepted.
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Changed 6 years ago by ikelly
comment:1 Changed 6 years ago by Alex
- Needs documentation unset
- Needs tests unset
- Patch needs improvement unset
This patch doesn't look right, it should be len(chunk , not chunk_size. Also I'm pretty sure this is a dupe.
Changed 6 years ago by ikelly
Corrected patch
comment:2 Changed 6 years ago by ikelly
You're at least right about the first part. That's what I get for once again writing a small patch without testing it. I've uploaded a corrected patch.
comment:3 Changed 6 years ago by kmtracey
#13756 is very similar (may be the dupe Alex was thinking of)...same issue but different bit of code.
comment:4 Changed 6 years ago by Alex
That is indeed what I was thinking of.
comment:5 Changed 6 years ago by dmoisset
- Needs tests set
- Triage Stage changed from Unreviewed to Accepted
Patch is ok, but needs a regression test.
(The issue on non-blocking read happens in the existing codebase, and should be treated as another ticket if considered a problem... although using a File with a non blocking read source looks like a bad idea anyway)
comment:6 Changed 5 years ago by graham_king
- Severity set to Normal
- Type set to Bug
comment:7 Changed 4 years ago by aaugustin
- UI/UX unset
Change UI/UX from NULL to False.
comment:8 Changed 4 years ago by aaugustin
- Easy pickings unset
Change Easy pickings from NULL to False.
comment:9 Changed 4 years ago by claudep
- Resolution set to wontfix
- Status changed from new to closed
The implementation of the chunks() method has changed in r17871, to not depend on size anymore. Hence rendering this ticket obsolete.


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Rethinking Enclosure: Space, Subjectivity and the Commons
Version of Record online: 14 NOV 2011
DOI: 10.1111/j.1467-8330.2011.00954.x
© 2012 The Author. Antipode© 2012 Antipode Foundation Ltd.
Volume 44, Issue 4, pages 1247–1267, September 2012
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Jeffrey, A., McFarlane, C. and Vasudevan, A. (2012), Rethinking Enclosure: Space, Subjectivity and the Commons. Antipode, 44: 1247–1267. doi: 10.1111/j.1467-8330.2011.00954.x
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- Issue online: 8 AUG 2012
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- enclosure;
- the commons;
- assemblage;
- citizenship;
- biopolitics
Abstract: While concepts of "enclosure" and the "commons" are becoming increasingly popular in critical geography, there have been few attempts to think them together. This paper sets out a dialectic of enclosure–commons as a means for thinking through contemporary processes of exclusion, violence and alterity. We examine what is at stake through a geographical reading of enclosure, that is, the processes through which neoliberalism works through—and summons into existence—certain forms of spatiality and subjectivity. In doing so we confront the spatialities of enclosure's "other": strategies and practices of commoning which assemble more inclusive, just and sustainable spaces. We examine the materiality of enclosure across a range of sites, from processes of walling to a more substantial assessment of the diverse assemblage of materials and subjectivities drawn into modalities of enclosure. We go on to explore the inscription of enclosure on the human body through an examination of, first, law, and second, biopolitics. In conclusion, we explore the implications of this argument for critical geographical scholarship.


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Skip to comments.Children of Divorce - New Study Explores the Nasty Effects
Posted on 10/15/2005 6:41:32 PM PDT by madprof98
click here to read article
Few reasons for divorce that make sense:
1) Abuse of spouse or children
2) Addictive behavior--drugs, booze, gambling, sex
3) Infidelity
4) Spouse converts to Islam
That's what the TODAY show psychologists tell us...
Which is only one of MANY reasons I don't watch that show.
5)Irresponsible or impulsive spending of family income.
Money is one of the biggest rifts in many marriages.
Children should be taught to be better money
managers by the time they become adults and not make
materialism a top priority over their
relationship with their spouse and family.
I'll bet that some kids from a divorced family come out better than some in a miserable marriage or over protecting parents.
That thought consoles people, but the evidence really doesn't support it. Kids don't really care how their parents feel about each other. They care how their parents feel about THEM. And the way you show you love them is to stay with them no matter what.
One point that I remember from another books about divorce, was that even when the divorce was for survival reasons - spousal abuse, drug addiction, promiscuous infidelity - it was still very difficult for young children to understand.
You can't explain, "He contracted HIV from sleeping around with trash of mixed gender," to a 7-year-old. All the child understands is that one parent is gone, he's probably had to move away from his school and his friends, his mother has no money, etc.
By the time the child "understands," he or she has already repeated (or worse) the behaviors which led the marriage to collapse to begin with.
That's a good point. An early example of alcoholism or abuse seems to have a very strong influence. In that situation, whether the parents divorce or not, it's a losing proposition for the children.
There are tons of kids who grow up in single family homes.Or divorced homes. They survive, just fine. There are no parents fighting, creating angst.
I doubt many of us had " the perfect childhood".
And if they don't, well, hey, who the hell cares!?!
Unless, of course, mom is a lesbian.
I think it's best for everyone to take responsibility for what he or she does. But there's no denying that it much more LIKELY that a child in a single-parent home will engage in more destructive and self-destructive behavior than a child from an intact family. That's just the plain truth. Evidently it is easier for kids to do well when they have all the resources (not so much financial as emotional) that being raised with two parents in the home provides them.
Well madprof....I don't think I agree.
Loving the children's mother or father is essential for the healthy nurturing of the child. Mostly we learn to love from our parents love for us and their love for each other.
My wife's family had a great deal of criticism of the mother and it really screwed up the kids. Whenever I'd visit the #1 phrase I'd hear was, "Aw Ma!"
The father was always belittling her in front of the kids and they learned to do it too. It affected the whole household's attitude toward each other.
The daughters grew up determined not to let anything like that ever happen to them....and I married one of them...very defensive at any criticism.
I agree with that. But I also think (and I believe the studies confirm this) that kids generally do better in households where the parents self-describe as "unhappily married" than they do in households where the parents have split up. Years ago, people used to "stay together for the sake of the children." More recently, in the age of ME/MYSELF/I, they decided that was too stressful and rationalized their behavior by claiming the kids were badly affected by their own unhappiness. Maybe, maybe not. But almost always, the kids get hurt much, much more badly when their parents divorce.
...or an Episcopal priest turned gay. In that case we "celebrate" his new discovery and feed his newly acquired promiscuity with acceptance. (and of course we'll promote that priest to bishop asap)
I grew up in a home with parents who fought at least every week. Massive scream fests that at time ended up violently. Me and my brother would sleep together those nights. He would wet the bed from all the trauma of listening to these battles.
I was never so happy as when they decided to get a divorce, unfortunately it wasn't early enough for us. Kids aren't alwasy better off with parents that stay together.
I understand Gene Robinson's kids claim they are better off for having been abandoned. Perhaps they are.
Dont know that I agee with you about the way to show children that you love them, is to stay with them no matter what....
I worked for a woman who was married to a very abusive man...she remained married to him, as both parents were Catholic, married in the Catholic Church, and did not believe in divorce, for any reason...
But this man regularly beat my boss up, and when he got tired of smacking her around, he started in on the two boys...Now, ,this was during the mid 1960s and I dont know if even the police would have intervened in this mess...
One nite, he started in beating up this woman...then he physically picked her up, and threw her out of the house, keeping the two boys inside...she ran to her parents, seeking help, and fearing what had happened to the boys...shortly after that, the two boys appeared..apparently they heard their mom being thrown out, and quickly dressed, hoping to try to escape through a window, which they did successfully...but my boss says that when they arrived at her parents house, the younger boy, much shorter and thinner, than the older oby, was dressed in his older brothers clothes, and the older boy had crammed himself into his younger brothers clothes...the sight of her two boys, scared to death, ,crying, and dressed in each others clothing, ,convinced her, that regardless of what the Catholic Church thought, enough was enough, ,and she was going to get a divorce...
Which she did...both she and her boys did have to have intense therapy, but seemed to be managing and making progress...then she met a wonderful man, who loved her and her boys...she married him, and they remained married for decades...and her two boys, were ever thankful, that she took them out of that horrible situation, where she and they were regularly were beaten and abused by a man who thought of them as nothing more than punching bags...I dont think that either the wife of the children ever believed this man loved them, as much as he abused them...
Of course, not all cases of family problems, or dysfunction are as extreme...and I do think that many people do divorce for the most trival and ridiculous of reasons...
But I just dont believe that we can make a blanket statement, that kids always benefit from the parents remaining together..sometimes the parents staying together causes greater harm to the children...
The study doesn't claim that kids are "always" better off. But you wonder: What kind of people bring children into the world and then subject them to the kind of behavior you describe? How could people possibly do that--not only to one another but to innocent human beings whom they themselves chose to create? In my mind, the choices are (a) insanity or (b) pure evil.
I responded to your point in post 25. But I think many people who contemplate divorce aren't even close to anything like you've described. Rather, if pressed, they insist that something more like "emotional abuse" on the part of their spouse is driving them apart. Sometimes (I know from watching it in family members) the so-called abuse consists in the wife/mother of the family getting older and flabbier and shorter-tempered than the hot chick at the office.
Actually they were just ordinary folks living day to day trying to raise children. They each came together with their own problems and together it was explosive. Nothing evil about it. This was during and after the Vietnam war. Times were scary and hard. Lots of changes going on in the world they were having to deal with.
So very true.
The serious studies all show they indeed survive BUT the children are NOT just fine!
That is a fiction carried in the mind of a parent who would rather not bear any guilt over the divorce.
Yep, I get your point.
You sound like a kind and forgiving person. But I refuse to believe there is "nothing evil" about parents engaging in "massive screamfests" that cause their small children to huddle together and pee the bed. And when we shrug off or rationalize the wrong that others do to us, we too often end up repeating the behavior in our own lives. That's what so often happens with many of the children of divorce: (stage one) I'm mad that dad had an affair; (stage two) now that I'm married myself, I understand why dad had that affair; (stage three) I really need to have an affair.
Trying to not be TOO persoal here, However, You would have to meet my childs father.
The best thing that ever has happened in my life is this child.
"at the time" we both wanted to be parents. " at the time" does not always last.
It should have little to know affect on the child.
If, at least one parent cares, Enough to parent.
Not an exact male/female ratio..But some parents DO choose to leave the nest.
Half of marriages end in divorce. You can't describe that many marriages as "abusive" relationships.
I certainly don't shrug off their behavior. I've always let them know how much that tore us up and how wrong it was for them to put us thru it. I've known them all my life, they are not evil and never intentionally hurt us.
We are all flawed humans, their flaws were in dealing with conflicts. They tried to out yell each other to be heard. One day they were teenagers the next they were parents raising kids and fighting wars. It happens, I can accept their failings without putting the devil in them.
I hear them but I don't know them, really. If I knew them and could vouch for their happiness then I'd still be concerned for their well being.
I remain a skeptic, unwilling to adjust my standards of right and wrong to match what these poor people deem as "better off."
I'm not so sure the whole trauma of what they've been involved with has dawned upon them completely yet.
Which is NOT to say that half the people who get married will get divorced.
You do understand the difference don't you?
I personally think that divorce should be avoided but there are times when it is preferable.
You're right. I have no studies on this, but I have the impression that the children of divorce who fare best are those who really do grasp what has happened to them. That's very hard for young adults, though, because most young people really do want to look on their parents (both of them) as role models.
No many of us didn't have an ideal childhood. I came from a single parent family due to my father's death.
I did survive, and am successful. However lack of a father in my life has had some long lasting consequences in the way I deal with people and arrange my life. Now, I can intellectually look at some of these things and choose to let it be an issue - or not.
There are occasions when divorce may be the best of bad options. And how the child compensates has something to do with how old they are when the divorce occurs.
Two united parents are better than one. Sometimes life isn't ideal, and we have to do the best we can, but we shouldn't kid ourselves about it.
Thanks for your response...Why do people bring children into the world, only to subject them to awful situations?....I dont know that anyone has one answer for that...sometimes two people marry, things are ok for a while, and then for whatever reason, things go bad...Insanity and pure evil are two reasonsyou list as your personal choices...but I would just wager there are a whole bunch of reasons...
I was a military wife...I knew, going into my marriage, ,that being in the military, statistically raises the probability of divorcing...many women just cannot handle the rigors of having a husband in the army...its not easy having your husband deployed, or in the field, or gone for days, weeks, or months, never knowing for sure where they are or how they are...its not easy being transfered and uprooted all the time...for some women its just not the married life they envisioned, and they just cannot take it...and the hubby does not want to leave the military...and so they divorce...I dont know that I call that evil or insane...
And parents who have a child with a terminal disease, have a much higher incidence of divorce...its an ultimate stressor to have such a child...there is a lot of tension, guilt, blame, etc, and often it can and does destroy a marriage...My hubby and I were in this situation...and then our child died..and there it goes again, parents who suffer this loss, often wind up divorced...
So statistically, my husband and I, would be prime candidates for divorce...and I will admit, there were times, when being in the military, watching my child suffer, and then watching him die, were more than I thought I could handle...had we divorced, would that have been insane or evil?...
We are still married, and glad to be so...but had we divorced after what we had been through, I just dont see it as being necessarily insane or evil...I dont know what I could call it, but certainly not insane or evil..
I never said that most of the divorces are a result of the situation I described....I am sure that most divorces are not the result of such an extreme situation..my point was, that one cannot and should not make a blanket statement that staying together is always better than getting a divorce...in some cases, such I as describe, I think that people can agree, divorce was the better choice...
And why do divorce people always marry the same type of person. They say the problem was spousal abuse, drug addiction,or promiscuous infidelity and then they are still attracted to that sort. Sometimes the spouse who doesn't do anything wrong is a co-dependent.
I don't know if you can take a general statement, "most kids" , and make it specific to a particular kid. There are miserable kids from intact homes and wonderful kids from miserable non intact homes.
When I was divorced, my kids were 9 and 4. Their mother and I divided the children's time 50-50. Now the kids are grown and on their own. It is my observation that EVERYTHING mentioned in this article is 100% right on. It is amazing to see a study which actually gets it right.
By the way, I remarried, created a moral, Christian home, and had 2 more kids which were also 5 years apart, just like the first two. There was one boy and one girl each time. These two are now 8 and 13. Just like the article said, the results with these two are excellent and reflect consistent rearing by two parents who love and support each other. Once again, based on first hand knowledge, the findings in this article are exactly right.
"More likely" is not 100%, it is actually not even highly likely.
You are acting as if any child from a divorce is worse off. That is simply not true for a particular child.
It may or may not be a fiction. And guilt may or may not play a part in a parent believe his child is better off with a divorce.
Unless of course you just would like for any divorced person to carry perpetual guilt.
Maybe you are a better parent now. Maybe the problem with your children from the first marriage was less the divorce than the kind of parents you and your wife were.
Actually if you look at large sibships in intact families you can see a variety of adjustedness,,some seem better adjusted, happier, more functional than others,,,within the same intact family.
I suspect divorce is harmful for many children. But I also know intact hideous marriages that do not serve children or parents well. I wouldn't suggest divorce be lightly taken, it usually isnt when kids are involved. But I don't think two people are always doing the best thing when they stay "for the sake of the children".
I guess with 3 out of those 4, I don't feel too bad about my divorce. In all honesty, though, even WITH those going on, I still tried to make it work in case I might somehow screw up my kids for life by divorcing their dad. Am only sorry now that I didn't do it sooner.
I came from a solid, loving home but my marriage ended in bitter, quarreling divorce, in which I got out in order to put an end to the fighting in front of the kids.
I have heard only a little from my children of how my divorce was for them, but I imagine it must be, to a helpless and dependent child, like their house being torn apart, shingle-by-shingle and board-by-board.
In response to the person who said his parents had weekly battles in which they screamed so loud that their small children were terrorized, I said that such behavior was either insane or evil. The person responded that his parents were not evil, though what they did was "wrong." It's amazing to me that we cheer so loudly when our President finally gets up the nerve to call the hurtful behavior of foreign enemies by its right name, but we insist on using milder terms for hurtful behavior that is closer to home. I suppose that is because few of us would become suicide bombers, but many of us--sadly--have subjected our own children to the horrors of a broken family.
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