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Earlier today, The A.V. Club, The Onion's for-serious arts and criticism auxiliary unit, released its list of the Best Comics of the '00s, featuring 25 comics/graphic novels and (separately) five reprint collections, ordered alphabetically. Now, it's just one of many media outlets producing lists of this sort as the decade draws to a close — pretty soon, we'll be able to come up with a "Best 'Best Comics of the '00s' Lists" list — and disagreement with such exercises is to be expected. Indeed, it's sort of the point. But I found The A.V. Club's list problematic in ways that go beyond the usual "That book?No way!" and "Hey, you forgot about …" complaints.
So let's start by getting those complaints out of the way, since they're the most subjective. The list's own introduction cites a quartet of comics that just missed the cut — Scott Pilgrim, Astro City, The Walking Dead and the work of Jaime and Gilbert Hernandez — and I could see reasonable cases being made for three of the four, not that I'd necessarily agree with them. Given the mainstream-accessible tenor of the list, I also think you can get enough of a sense of the standards being applied to argue for several obvious oversights: David B.'s Epileptic, Phoebe Gloeckner's The Diary of a Teenage Girl and Joe Sacco's Safe Area Gorazde, for example. Moreover, the titles selected for particular creators can leave you scratching your head: One! Hundred! Demons! instead of What It Is, the gag/parody-centric Acme Novelty Library oversized hardcover rather than Jimmy Corrigan, Rick Geary's The Mystery of Mary Rogers instead of, well, any of Geary's other old-time crime books. Finally, in some cases, I think the selected books are bettered by other, similar efforts: I'd have picked B.P.R.D. over The Goon for quirky horror-action, for example, or The Walking Dead over Y: The Last Man for lengthy post-apocalyptic serials, or Shortcomings over Box Office Poison for slice-of-life drama.
But the list has far more fundamental problems than its individual selections. The one that's getting the most attention around the comics Internet, of course, is the complete absence of manga. I'll be the first to apologize if a separate, all-manga list is forthcoming. But as it stands now, the lack of a single Japanese comic on a best-of list for a decade during which such comics reached unprecedented popularity in the North American market — and during which an equally unprecedented number of acclaimed titles from nearly every time period and genre have finally seen the light of English translation and publication — is utterly egregious. Even if you put aside the treasure trove of reprints of classic titles that have reached our shores, recent work by Naoki Urasawa, Yuichi Yokoyama, Ai Yazawa, Makoto Yukimura, Yoshihiro Tatsumi, Junji Ito, Jiro Taniguchi, Taiyo Matsumoto and countless other creators surely merits at least one slot on the list. And that's to say nothing of the rock-solid entertainment provided by mainstream hits from Naruto to Death Note — would they look all that out of place on a list that includes All-Star Superman, DC: The New Frontier and the Bendis/Maleev Daredevil run?
Equally notable, to me at least, is the conservative nature of the list's "alternative" picks. Yes, there are a couple of left-field choices — Geary's inclusion was a surprise, as was Michael Kupperman's weird, wonderful Tales Designed to Thrizzle. But in the main, the books and authors selected from the world of alt / art / indie / underground / whatever comics are a tastefully literary bunch, focusing on New Yorker-friendly storytelling modes like memoir, current events, biography, bildungsroman, and slice-of-life. By my count, Chris Ware, David Mazzucchelli, Charles Burns, Craig Thompson, Daniel Clowes, Alison Bechdel, Seth, James Sturm, Marjane Satrapi, Jason, Alex Robinson and even Kupperman have all either been published by a major New York book publisher or appeared in the pages of The New York Times. Meanwhile, just to name one example, the entire underground tradition emanating from Providence, Rhode Island, centered on the Fort Thunder collective, and spawning a lineage published at various times through Highwater, Paper Rodeo, Red Ink, Bodega, Buenaventura and PictureBox is totally missing; not even its representative landmark anthologies Kramers Ergot 4 and Kramers Ergot 7 made the cut. Plus, the Burns and Clowes books excepted, you're also not seeing the wave of altcomix reclamations of genre fiction, from Paul Pope to Powr Mastrs to Prison Pit. From minicomics to markmaking, sequential art's avant garde — not to mention its generational vanguard — is pretty much persona non grata here.
This makes the list's one attempt to spotlight a publishing subgenre, reprints, all the more frustrating. The A.V. Club's separate Best Reprints list cites five noteworthy projects, none of which I'm about to quibble with — the one-volume Bone cemented Jeff Smith's place in kids'-comics history, and Fantagraphics' exquisitely designed Peanuts and Krazy & Ignatz collections put the two greatest comic strips of all time (your ranking may vary) at the forefront of the publishing agenda of the decade's most important publisher, after all. But the '00s were a true Golden Age of Reprints, during which reprinted material had an ongoing and active role in the here-and-now development of comics. I, for one, can still feel the breeze from all the eyes opened by Dan Nadel's Art Out of Time anthology, Nadel and Glenn Bray's Rory Hayes collection Where Demented Wented, and Paul Karasik's two surprise-hit Fletcher Hanks books. DC did a sensational job with its Jack Kirby's Fourth World Omnibus series, re-releasing arguably the great comics work by arguably the great comics creator at the precise time that its currency in comics was reaching an all-time peak. Manga's sales-chart dominance was complemented beautifully by Drawn & Quarterly's Adrian Tomine-overseen reprints of Tatsumi's landmark short stories, and by the jaw-droppingly wide-ranging run of reprints starring the god of manga himself, Osamu Tezuka, from publishers like Vertical and Viz. with the unlimited real estate of the Internet at your disposal, capping your Best Reprints list at a mere five in the face of such an embarrassment of riches raises more questions than it answers.
So does a refusal to rank your selections. Look, I go back and forth on the utility and desirability of year- and decade-end list making — it can devolve into a parlor game, a pageant, and/or an easy way to throw all the publishers you work with a bone pretty easily, and frequently the arguments it engenders shed more heat than light. On the other hand, it's the most direct avenue available for systematically separating the good from the great, and explaining the difference. That's why, unless you intend your list to be a mere shopping guide — or unless you're writing it in a far more idiosyncratic fashion than The A.V. Club's traditional list-by-committee — ordinal rankings are a must. By simply listing 25 books in alphabetical order, this list avoids making difficult and absolutely crucial distinctions regarding quality, dodging the hard work necessary to back those distinctions up with considered criticism. I don't know what good a Best of the '00s list that sits The Goon right next to Louis Riel does anybody under any circumstances, but at least a countdown would provide context; juxtaposing two books like that through sheer alphabetical accident provides us with no window into its authors' critical worldview(s), and actually may do more harm than good in terms of articulating what matters. Frankly, I feel like it's a cop-out.
This will get a little picayune, but that lackadaisical feel appears to have infected the writing itself, which is riddled with dubious factual claims. Superhero-comics sales went up this decade, not declined. Daniel Clowes contributed a substantial strip to The New York Times in addition to his two Eightball issues. Though Asterios Polyp was David Mazzucchelli's first proper solo graphic novel, he's been doing extremely personal work since the debut of Rubber Blanket in 1991 and can hardly be said to only now have "take[n] possession of his own voice." And this could just be a typo and unclear wording respectively, but Persepolis did not come out in 2000, nor did it share a publisher with Fun Home. I can't help but feel that an overall sharpening of the thinking behind the list might have whittled these errors away in the process.
The Onion and The A.V. Club have been covering comics for years, and not in the bang-pow sense, either. It's clearly an art form they take as seriously as film, music, television, and prose literature. That's what makes their list such a let-down. The first decade of the 21st century has been nothing more or less than the greatest creative flowering in comics' history — the decade during which the concept of comics-as-art reached levels of public acceptance and internal confidence of which even the medium's great visionaries could previously have only dreamed. The game was raised. Those of us who purport to crown the best of comics' best-ever era need to raise our game as well.
Wow, very nice write-up. I too am fairly surprised that they seemed to drop the ball in quite a few areas, since their team does regularly cover and critique a wide assortment of comics. But on that same note, sometimes I feel like their biweekly reviews are a little too soft on certain books, usually the mainstream superheroes.
And I really think the exclusion of manga is too specific and arbitrary to be an oversight, maybe this list is only American-based? Or that they are saving manga for another list?
My guess on the Persepolis error is that someone glanced at a page that mentioned L'Association first publishing it (in French) in 2000 and didn't realize that Pantheon's editions started showing up three years later.
(The lack of any sort of manga is still really mind-boggling to me, more than anything else.)
Your points about manga and a sad lacking in the number of reprint projects are both things I wholeheartedly agree with.
I don't agree that the list should be numbered, and particularly not as a way of "systematically separating the good from the great." I feel that if something listed as one of their top 25 picks of the last decade is merely good, then it should not be on the list. Besides, is there a good way to compare, say, All-Star Superman, Persepolis, and Tales Designed to Thrizzle in a way where they can be objectively ranked? If not, what's the point?
And re: Persepolis – it was indeed originally published in French 2000, and was translated to English in 2003. The 2000/Pantheon combination the Onion currently listsis needlessly confusing; it would probably have been better to list both the publisher and date of both the original and the translation. (Sharing a publisher with Fun Home has been corrected as of the time of this comment)
@Preston: If you went with an "only North American creators" theory, the problem is that Persepolis and Pyongyang don't qualify either.
What about the Return of NEXUS? The Moth? Oh thats right no one cares about good storytelling and art in a comic anymore.
As great as the content is, and as decent as the omnibus editions are, the DC Jack Kirby library don't deserve to be the on this list because they were printed on such terrible paper that we are all going to be purchasing these things again when they do a better edition and the paper rots.
The lack of manga could simply be because they don't read manga. Not everyone who reads comics, or even enjoys and appreciates the medium, is necessarily going to be interested in manga.
I agree with the no-manga thing myself.
To leave out 100 Bullets, a series that brilliantly explores all facets of desperate lives on the edge, in these desperate times, is criminal, pun intended. Not to mention the fact that it featured arguably the decades best art. I can only assume they did not read the series.
Also, We3, Hellboy, Dark Knight Strikes Again
I don't care for the many "personal" stories on the list, I read stories of the fantastic to get away from the shit of "normal" life.
@Greg McElhatton:
Yeah I realized that after I posted it. I can't even say "only Western creators" either. I guess the most accurate term would be non-Asian creators, but only the ones who are actually living in Asia? Again, I find it very odd that manga is completely excluded, to the point where I'm sure that it wasn't like they accidentally ignored it but purposely left it off for whatever reason, maybe the classic "manga =/= comics" belief.
Manga should rightfully be in a seperate list. It'd be like sticking TV and film together. Similar medium, massively different contexts
Completely agree with all the substantial points made here but for one.
The Goon quite clearly knocks B.P.R.D. into a cocked hat.
As for the 'maybe they don't read manga' suggestion made above, re: lack of manga on the list. This may sound like a fair comment, but given the nature of the list, if that statement was true, then they should've made sure to seek out the advice and assistance of someone (or someones) who does read manga. It does not, I'm afraid, excuse the gaping lacuna in the list.
I'm not that surprised. Has anyone seen their top 30 tv series of the decade? While there are things that I wholeheartedly agree with (The Wire as number 1), placing shows like The Venture Brothers and Wonder Showzen ranked ahead of The West Wing makes the list come across as bizarre, and not to be taken seriously. I'm a huge Venture Bros fan, but it does not belong on a best of decade list.
Their best of decade lists do nothing but show the AV Clubs bizarre tastes, requiring the reader to take a large grain of salt to make sense of them.
One of the list's writers, Noel Murray, has been pretty active in the piece's comments section on his thinking behind the lack of Kramers Ergot (basically that it fosters an "art-school" aesthetic which discounts the value of narrative storytelling and in-panel clarity to an unappealing degree) and manga (he doesn't feel he's familiar enough to speak with authority) and lots of other things… it seems there was an effort made to avoid choosing works that would prove 'esoteric'…? Don't just go by my summaries, though…
The lack of manga could simply be because they don't read manga. Not everyone who reads comics, or even enjoys and appreciates the medium, is necessarily going to be interested in manga.
And not everyone who likes cake can digest gluten. Now, here's a thought experiment: make a list of the Best Cakes Ever that only includes wheat-free cakes, but that treats wheat-free cakes as if they were the only cakes that mattered. Do you think that would be considered acceptable? Do you think people would be right to complain about that?
I don't recall the wording, but didn't the AV Club's original review of Drifting LIfe refer to at as being one of the most important comics of all time? At the time, it came across as being intensely hyperbolic, even for a site that consistently overpraises the comics they review.
Yeah, I can totally see how they left some wiggle room in that statement to explain ignoring it now.
Wow–reading the staff posts in the list's comment thread, per Jog's suggestion, makes me feel like the problems run a lot deeper than anything I address above.
Tucker, here's what Noel Murray says of manga and its absence from the list in the AV Club comments:
Speaking personally, I feel like manga is one of those subjects that you either give yourself over to completely or you don't even try to speak about in public. I've read just enough to know that I'd sound ridiculously underinformed if I tried to select the best of it.
I encourage manga fans to post their favorites here though.
Perhaps it was under the rubric of that final bit that the original Drifting Life review was posted.
Possibly. The Drifting Life is the only example that stands out in memory right now, but the site's comic coverage has consistently gone for "most important" phrasing when they seem only to mean "we liked this, it's good." What makes it odd is that these same writers don't pull out that type of hyperbole when they're reviewing film or music. They're capable of being even-handed with the praise there, but it escapes them with comics reviews.
At the same time, they've consistently mentioned in previous comment sections that they're more reliant on review copies than I'd expect most websites are–which is their right, since the film/games/music review train is handled much differently. That's one aspect that probably has as much to do with the nature of the composition of the list as any particular genre-bias.
Katherine Farmar – I don't think anybody is making any sort of argument like. I'm definitely not. I'm just trying to point that just because someone reads comics doesn't mean they will read manga. I like both but I have no expectations that other should as well.
Plus, it's just a list. The lack of manga is an oversight but it's not the end of the world.
Well, if someone made a "Best Music of the '00s, Except Hip Hop, Because Not Everyone Listens to Hip Hop, And That's Totally Fine" list, I think people would be calling bullroar on that too.
Are you seriously complaining that they didn't rank the books in numerical order? That kind of "countdown" is the critical and intellectual equivalent of babbling incoherently and shitting in the neighbor's driveway. It makes you look like an idiot. Art and literature are not a freaking race. Nobody finishes "first", and sure as hell no one finishes "17th" instead of "16th". Sure, some works of art are better than others, which is the point of critics identifying an arbitrary number of items that they consider the best. But the notion that one could put The Goon right *above* Louis Riel on the grounds that it is a marginally but measurably better work would demonstrate that the person producing the list is not a literary critic, but a retarded artcomics fanboy playing out juvenile "hoo'd win?" scenarios while he plays with his Umbrella Academy PVC figures. Some of your other criticisms are valid, but whining that they didn't indulge in the stupidest convention of year-end "best of" lists undermines them as a mere shit-throwing exercise. It isn't a "cop-out"; it's a glimmer of hope that they actually understand the nature of literary and artistic criticism.
"Well, if someone made a "Best Music of the '00s, Except Hip Hop, Because Not Everyone Listens to Hip Hop, And That's Totally Fine" list, I think people would be calling bullroar on that too."
What if you released a list of Best Music Of The '00s and included no classical? Because that's actually fairly common.
I've responded in the comments section on our piece and on The Beat to a lot of these criticisms, so I won't repeat myself when it comes to manga or esoterica. I do think these points are valid and I appreciate you all taking the time to make them. I will say that the what people are looking for when they read these lists can be highly subjective. If you peruse our comments section, you'll see a lot of readers arguing that our choices are too obscure; others that they're too obvious. Myself, I find the complaint that we went with too many of the big names kind of odd. If we released a movie list with no Coen brothers or a music list with no Radiohead, that would be equally strange (and kind of perverse). When I was first learning more about movies and music, best-of-the-year and best-of-the-decade lists were incredibly helpful to me — I also have fond memories of Mikal Gilmore's early '90s Rolling Stone article about comics, which introduced me to Chester Brown, among others — and I hope that at the least you'll grant that nobody who's unfamiliar with the books on our list will be ill-served by reading them.
But I recognize that there are always three audiences for pieces like these: people who know a great deal about the subject, people who are coming in fresh and looking for guidance, and people whose interest in the subject competes with their interest in a lot of other subjects. I'd say that generally speaking, we're writing for the latter group, because that's who we are ourselves. We cover movies, music, TV, books and comics (myself I cover all five), and try to treat them all as part of a balanced pop culture diet. The advantage to that approach is that (I hope) it helps us see some media in a different light than a dedicated TV critic or movie critic might. The disadvantage is that we're sometimes going to disappoint people who focus more on one subject than another.
Two more quick points:
1. Todd, while I appreciate you defending us on the alphabetical thing, we did rank most of our other Best Of The Decade lists, so we're not entirely virtuous there. Though I've urged readers in the comments section not to obsess too much over what got placed over what. WIth a small voting pool, the difference between #3 and #30 is never all that high.
2. Speaking of the small voting pool, that also had an affect on the composition of the list. I stand by my original review of A Drifting Life, and it was on our shortlist, but I was the only one who voted for it, and when we considered one-vote items for inclusion, I left that one off on purpose, not wanting to feign an expertise in manga that I simply do not have. If you were to look at our individual ballots, you'd see a lot more variety. It's in the overlaps that such lists are made. I daresay that if you polled five comics bloggers, asked for their 20 favorite titles of the decade, then published the results straight-up, you'd see a lot of the same names appear that ended up on our list. Not all. But a lot.
There are still people who adhere to the "comics and manga are two completely different things" philosophy. Amongst this group you have the New York Times and most comic book stores, not to mention every outlet bookstore in North America.
You're essentially taking The Onion to task for a disagreement about semantics.
Looking forward to CBR's "Best Sequential Art of 2009″ article later this year. Yeah, right….
Todd: I'll admit to overselling the ranking thing to make a point about this specific list. I've read plenty of valid year-enders that didn't do that–I've also written a few! Like I said in the piece, if you're doing something genuinely personal and idiosyncratic, go with god. But in this case it's your basic "let's pool our critics and take a vote and hash it out and post the results" group list, and I feel that not ranking the books is, in this case, reflective of other dodges they commit, like ignoring an entire nation's output because you're not a manga specialist or writing off huge swathes of alternative comics as art-school gibberish.
Noel: I see what you're saying with "classical," but manga is not the equivalent of classical music, or contemporary choral music, or things of that nature. It's pop.
Also, yeah, I'm definitely holding you guys to the same standard I'd hold a dedicated comics-blogger to, same as I'd do with your music or TV or film or book lists. If I disagree with your music selections, for example, I'm not gonna go, "Well, they also write about Lost, so that's okay."
Thanks for weighing in!
Milo, how is manga not comics? Music stores, when there still were music stores, filed rock and R&B separately. Which one isn't music?
Noel, the "we don't read it so we're not going to talk about it" defense is kind of ridiculous. If you think you'll embarrass yourself, pick up the keyboard and your checkbook and pay somebody who knows something a few bucks to help you out. Hell, you could probably even get somebody to do it for free if you wanted to be skinflints about it. Freelancers tend to be eager to be exploited like that.
Basically when you say "we don't know" what you mean is "we don't care."
And, yeah, you don't have to care. But just admit it up front. The bobbing and weaving is silly.
Also…your point about overlaps and individual idiosyncracies — that's why doing this stuff by committee is such a poor idea. I know that everyone does it that way — but it produces blandness and ends up claiming an authority that doesn't help anybody.
Maybe a lot of manga isn't as good as people in this country think? Kind of like a lot of people think most superhero comics stink. I'm sure a couple of people here hold that sentiment.
Our comics coverage has always been manga-lite, but I'm not sure "don't care" is the right word. We dabble; we just don't delve. But again, your criticism is fair, and perhaps we should look into finding someone more manga-literate to supplement our future coverage.
I do take issue with the idea that lists like this don't "help anybody" though. I go back to my earlier comment: It depends on who you think lists like this are designed for. If you're deeply into comics, you're right, our list probably just confirms what you already know. If you read comics casually, you're likely to find some new things to check out. And if you're a complete novice… well, I offer a variation on what I asked Sean earlier: Do you not feel that the books on this list are, generally speaking, well-worth a reader's time?
AWB (Average White Band, I hope?): Sure, a lot of manga isn't as good as people in this country, or any country think. But some of it is, and some of that should be on a list of the best comics of the decade. I mean, that argument doesn't really affect this one way or the other. Most of everything stinks, but this isn't the "Most of Everything List," it's a best-of list.
Noel: A lot of them are great or really good comics, definitely. I think I was pretty fair about that. But to echo what I just said, it's not the "well-worth a reader's time" list, it's the best of the decade list.
And to the five of us who assembled this list, these are the 25 best comics, based on a merging of our individual choices. Your mileage may (and clearly does) vary.
At the least, the list has sparked some good discussions, especially at our site, where we're almost to 600 comments. And if it's revealed that we tend to range too narrow in our scope, that's valuable criticism to hear.
You cant really call for manga to be included if you don't champion manhwa (Korean) or any other Asian or European comics markets. It's similar to how other industries cover domestic markets, such as how movies only focus on North American movies for their lists with the extremely rare exceptions.
For example, Sky Doll, while not technically complete, was first released in 2000, and would make a good candidate for a 'best of decade' title, but, as its from Europe, is excluded in most cases, despite a recent translation by Marvel (and earlier Heavy Metal imports).
If manga were included on the list, there would be a good chance you could find 25 manga better than every comic released in the past decade if we go with the numerous non-Narutos and Bleaches that dont get translations in North America. Manga is a huge market that dwarfs the North American one.
Hell, the European market, ignoring Marvel and DC imports, is sizeable in its own right. Restricting, intentional or not, a best of decade list to mostly the standard American comic is not a bad idea in my opinion, though there was probably room for the odd mention of a manga or other titles.
Whats particularly noteworthy about the AV Club list is that, while I don't agree with every book as the top 25, they were all at least of an acceptable quality level to warrant a mention or recommendation (though there are a few I haven't personally read).
I don't imagine anyone championing the inclusion of manga would say to do so at the expense of comics from Korea, China, France, Belgium, Italy or anywhere else. It's just that, given the rise of manga in the North American market over the past decade, its absence from the list is especially glaring.
However, it's certainly reasonable, and necessary given the sheer volume of work, to limit consideration to comics released in North America during a specified time — manga, manhwa, BD, what have you.
I found the list deeply frustrating at first, because it's not very good. I love a lot of the stuff Picturebox publishes that's represented in the Kramer's Ergot anthologies, I think Kevin Huizenga is a great cartoonist to come to prominence this decade and should be represented.
But then I thought about that interview Tom Spurgeon did with Abhay Khosla where Abhay compared people that are really into these types of art comics to foodies. And I thought about being further down the rabbit hole than the AV Club reviewers. Their best music list is fine with me, even though I am more of a dork and can think of all sorts of great records that were not as high-profile as what they're discussing. I bemoan the lack of Home Movies in their best tv of the decade list.
It's this sort of general interest list that reaffirms the canon they spent the decade building. It's a victory lap, not looking at anything new or obscure. Part of this is due to the way it compiles the taste of multiple people. Tom Spurgeon's list will be a lot cooler.
But I think what you or I want out of a list is things that we missed. The same way that the Comics Comics blog is exciting because of references to Slash Maraud from 1987, or Jog's My Life Is Choked With Comics column makes me want to buy Igor Kordey issues of Soldier X. In an age of Netflix, if I go to an honest-to-God video store, I want to get things that are only available on VHS, that I can't find. This is like wanting an overview of David Lynch's career that talks about On The Air as much as it talks about Mulholland Drive. Sure, Mulholland Drive is better, but it's also well-known for being good, and we're just further down the path of wanting obscurities than that. We want a best-of-the-decade list that finds things from 2002 and says they were ahead of their time, even if no one noticed them when they were initially published. We don't want a list with Persepolis and Blankets on it. But that's what a best-of list, for a general interest magazine, compiled by a group of writers is going to include.
As far as Kramers Ergot stuff goes, think about how Jimbo In Purgatory- an insanely ambitious comic that's not really a lot of fun to deal with- got dissed by Andrew Arnold in Time back when it was first published.
As for manga, you know, I loved Phoenix and Tekkon Kinkreet, but these are a very specific type of critics pick.
I dunno, you make some good and bad poiints, but this whole article just sounds like a rant.
I mean, instead of complaining, it seems like the best way to respond would be to make your own list as, well, it's all just a matter of opinion anyways.
I don't think not including rankings is detrimental at all to the list. This isn't separating the good from the best; this is listing the best of the best. Ranking the comics that come out in a single week makes sense because there is a wide range of quality. How do you rank a list that is purely the cream of the crop, though?
I agree that alphabetical doesn't do much, however. It'd be a better list if the books were listed so that they thematically flow together (or show contrast between two books).
November 25, 2009 at 8:12 am
Maybe a lot of manga isn't as good as people in this country think? Kind of like a lot of people think most superhero comics stink. I'm sure a couple of people here hold that sentiment.
A lot of manga IS shit.
So is a lot of superhero comics and so are a lot of alt comics. Sturgeons Law and all that.
But the topic is the best comics. The ones not covered by that law. This non American works being mostly ignored is a problem.
I really cannot understand why this is such an issue. This is a list published in the back page of an independent magazine, not the goddamned Eisner Awards. When I hear about the Eisner Awards, that's when I expect a comprehensive summary of all the best that comic books have to offer; when I read the A.V. Club's list of the decade's best comics, I expect to read about comics that the small comic-reading staff of the A.V. Club happened to like. Really, the list's harmless; it's not like "The Onion" of all things is this major influence on the world of comics. No one considers it to be the ultimate comics authority, and I don't think it's trying to be that. It's essentially a blurb, written by people who like comics to other people who might like the comics they like.
And either way, that list has some pretty decent comics! Sure, you might debate some selections, bring up your own selections, or say how some segments of comics are "underrepresented," but I do not think that's important here. I doubt that any non-comic reader would be offended by reading any of these books, given the oft chance that they were to use this list as a reading guide. There are books here that even I hadn't heard of, and I appreciate that they went to the trouble of mentioning them. (That James Sturm book? And the Lynda Barry one? Those sound pretty interesting!)
The objection to this list seems to be that it doesn't take itself seriously enough. Can I just put it out there, that maybe we're the ones taking this list too seriously?
(None of this is to discredit the A.V. Club or their writers' opinions; I just think it's unfair to place all this responsibility on their relatively low-profile list.)
Do the words "best of" have any more meaning than "satisfaction guaranteed" on a dry cleaner's window? Frankly, I'm glad the Onion staffer came out and said bluntly that manga was not his field of expertise. That's honest. I prefer this to any misguided, under-informed attempt at inclusiveness that would result in, say, Witchblade Takeru being included on a list of top manga. (No offense, Image.) All that list says about manga is that the author doesn't read it. Making this an issue would be giving way too much authority to every "Best Of" list, every "Best of the Year" anthology, every self-anointed internet Ebert.
Fellow Team Manga members, I implore you to let this one slide.
What Brian Nicholson said, really, although I'd add that the absence of manga on the list at least points to a bit of editorial laziness on The A.V. Club's part – not just with regards to this list, but with their comics coverage in general. Six people reviewing comics, and not one of them manga savvy? If nothing else, it's a missed opportunity.
Get over yourself, torture boy.


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MMMMM------------------------FUDGE SAUCE----------------------------- 300 g Butter 100 g Cocoa powder 120 g Dark cooking chocolate; -chopped 500 g Caster sugar 340 ml Evaporated milk For the brownie melt the butter with the chocolate but do not bring to the boil. Beat the eggs with the sugar until fluffy and add the brandy and vanilla essence. Mix the flour with the pecan nuts, add the egg mix and then the warm chocolate mix. Combine well and fill a buttered cake tin and bake at 170C/gas3 for 35-40 minutes. In the meantime for the fudge sauce, melt the butter with the cocoa powder and chocolate and heat the evaporated milk with the sugar until dissolved. Pour the melted chocolate mix into the milk and bring to boiling point and take off the heat immediately. It is recommended to cool the brownie before cutting into 16 pieces. Warm two pieces per portion in the oven for 2 minutes or until brownies become soft, a microwave is ideal for this. Pour some hot chocolate fudge sauce on the plate and place two pieces of brownie on the sauce and sprinkle the plate with icing sugar and cocoa powder. As a nice option you can serve a scoop of vanilla ice cream with it. DISCLAIMER(c) Copyright 1996 - SelecTV Cable Limited. All rights reserved. Carlton Food Network http://www.cfn.co.uk/
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Music to Your Ears
By Laura Marrich
Gone Phishin'--Need a miracle? This Monday (July 10), the Starport Theater at Cottonwood Mall will screen Phish: Live In Brooklyn. The film consists of concert footage shot just in front of 16,000 Phish fans at Keyspan Park baseball field, Coney Island. The beauty part is the film hasn't been seen anywhere since the night of the show, more than two years ago. If you weren't there, you might just feel like it now. And if you were there, whoa! Acid flashback! Show starts at 7 p.m. Advance tickets are already available online at www.fandango.com, or call the theater at 897-6858.
Wes Naman
Music Magnified
The Jason and the Argonauts farewell show
with SuperGiant, Lousy Robot, Fast Heart Mart and The Trampolines (from Denver)
By Jim Phillips
Friday, July 7, Launchpad (21-and-over); $5: You win some, you lose some, Albuquerque. One of our best and brightest is on his way back East. Jason Daniello will soon be moving to Asheville, N.C., but not before he and some good friends put on one more monster musical event this Friday at the Launchpad.
Flyer on the Wall
(Psst! Hey, Albuquerque ... Santa Fe is kicking your ass on the poster art lately.) The Cherry Tempo, Shinobu, A Moment's Loss and Keyboard. Monday, July 10, at Warehouse 21. $5. www.warehouse21.org. (LM)
Music Magnified
Moreland, Arbuckle & Floyd
with I is for Ida, Primates and Lagoon
By Simon McCormack
Friday, July 7, Atomic Cantina (21-and-over); Free: As Terry Zwigoff's film Ghost World aptly demonstrates, there are plenty of faux blues bands out there--bands that claim to play "Delta Blues" or "Mississippi Roots Blues"--that are just plain awful. They may appeal to audiences of the suburban persuasion nationwide, but they're hardly authentic in any real sense of the word.
Built to Spill
Eat it, Bono
By Simon McCormack
Built to Spill is one of the few major-label bands that still sounds as pure as the day they were formed in 1992. Through it all, frontman and founder Doug Martsch has held on to his humility, maintaining that "all we've ever wanted to do was make music that sounds all right." Martsch talked with the Alibi about his band's success, touring and lack of bravado.
Show Up!
Who says girls can't rock?
By Marisa Demarco
When she arrived in Albuquerque during one of last week's crazy thunder and lightning shows, Nels and her bandmates had no idea what they were getting into. "This bus has big windows, so I just sat and watched. I filmed the whole thing. It was really kind of crazy." Then it just started pouring.
Sonic ReducerThe Coma Recovery Drown That Holy End In Wine · CSS Cansei De Ser Sexy · Human Television Look At Who You're Talking To
By Lash Bower
Albuquerque all-stars The Coma Recovery have our hometown hardcore market cornered. Unflinching adulation by their primarily teenage fan base and adequately warm national reviews have helped secure their place as the next, next big thing to come out of Albuquerque. The Coma Recovery's first full-length album, Drown That Holy End In Wine, produced by Chris Common of These Arms Are Snakes, is an unflinching, cohesive and surprisingly unpretentious progressive/experimental post-hardcore debut, taking influence from Burque old-schoolers Last Day Parade and even tipping their mesh trucker hats to fretboard musclemen Randy Rhodes and Tony Iommi. Cheer up, emo kid. Your scene just got a lot less lame.
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Good news, everybody! This year's Van's Warped Tour is coming through Burque—albeit the festival's given up its lauded positioning at the big amphitheater south of town for the slightly more placid, arcadian and sometimes floaty atmosphere at Balloon Fiesta Park…
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Released: Jul 01st, 2005
Running Time: 135
Director: Axel Braun
Company: New Sensations
Cast: Ben English, Genesis Skye, Courtney Cummz, Jackie (I), Scott Nails, Cherry Poppers, Mr. Pete, Eva Angelina, Chris Charming
Critical Rating: AAAA
Genre: All-Sex
Courtney Cummz is a starlet to watch
Courtney Cummz is eager to please, and Mr. Pete is the beneficiary as she cheerfully blows him before submitting to his every move. Cummz appears to love the camera as much as it loves her, and she looks like she is having a fun time with her energetic, playful demeanor. Meanwhile, Eva Angelina is a screamer. Her high-decibel shrieks just give hard-charging Ben English more fuel for his rapid thrusts into her box in another scorcher. Genesis Skye and Jackie meet Scott Nails in separate scenes, and Cherry Poppers deals with Chris Charming.


text: These Heels Are Made for Sweating Updated Feb. 1, 2013 9:28 a.m. ET fullscreen On a recent day, about 30 teenage to middle-age women filed into a dance studio near Beverley Hills, Calif. Then they did something that seems contrary to working out: They removed their flats or tennis shoes and slipped into high heels. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … Kamilah Barrett, center, teaches 'Heel Hop.' She instructs students in the fine art of working out—even doing sit-ups—in their slinkiest heels. While women have long danced in heels, Ms. Barrett's classes are part of a trend that looks to take exercise regimens to another level. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … Heel Hop targets muscles that usually support a 'relaxed' stance and fluid movement, according to Ms. Barrett. 'Heels are really a sport,' she says. Ms. Barrett has given classes in Russia and Japan; China is next, she says. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … Even so, a recent study by researchers at Griffith University in Queensland, Australia, and the University of Jyväskylä in Finland found that high-heel wearers experienced 'alterations in muscle-tendon architecture,' which can lead to fatigue and strain. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … Ms. Barrett argues that her class prepares women to avoid maladies. 'Heels aren't going anywhere,' she says. 'If anything, they're getting taller and they're getting thinner.' She hopes to help women build the muscles they need to carry themselves correctly and avoid ugly spills. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … The hourlong class, which costs $15, begins on a yoga mat with Ms. Barrett's signature sit-ups. Then comes the 'walk it out,' where students walk diagonally from one corner of the room. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … A recent study from a psychology professor at the University of Portsmouth in England found that wearing high heels led to 'higher attractiveness ratings' by both male and female observers, and the higher of those ratings were cast by women. Dan Krauss for The Wall Street Journal … Replay These Heels Are Made for Sweating More Slideshows Photos of the Day: July 29 Photos: Wildfires Rage in California of SHOW CAPTION HIDE CAPTION fullscreen RELATED: These Workouts Offer a Chance to Really Pump It Up Show More Archives


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Clesta Smith, 101, of Tracy passed away at Prairie View Health Care Center Saturday, November 2, 2013. Funeral services are pending at this time with the Walnut Grove Funeral Home. Online condolences may be sent at www.stephensfuneralservice.com. Stephens Funeral Service - Walnut Grove Funeral Home is assisting the family with arrangements.
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Jun 18, 2012
Photos: 21
Photos of Vernon Schroeder, 1917 - 2011
Jun 17, 2012
Photos: 19
Lunar eclipse photos were taken June 4, 2012.
May 20, 2012
Photos: 8
Photos of Dorothy Schroeder, nee Schneider, 1930 - 1996.
May 13, 2012
Photos: 9
Miscellaneous astronomical photos including some successful experiments and some failures.
Jul 24, 2010
Photos: 16
San Rafael Swell at Night
These are my first serious attempts to photograph the Milky Way from a dark location with a half-decent digital camera (Canon Rebel XS) and lens (Sigma 20mm f1.8 set at f2.8). All photos are from a fixed tripod. Foreground illumination is from moonlight.
Jun 20, 2010
Photos of Guen Gifford, taken in 1993, 1994, and 2002.
For spring break in 1993, Guen, Anya and I decided to go backpacking. Our main goal was to find someplace warm, so we headed south to the Ouachita National Forest in Arkansas. Although spring had barely arrived, it was good exercise and great company--plus some fun car adventures on the way back.
The next group of photos is from June 1994, when Guen and Anya spent a week with me in Utah. In addition to two major day hikes in the local mountains and a short backpack in Zion National Park, I recall a Philosophy Club discussion, a visit to the Jennings back yard where Guen climbed the cherry tree, and a well-attended folksinging party at my place. There was also a mix-up with dates of the train tickets home...
The final group of photos is from a trip that Deb and I made to New England in June 2002, when we met up with Guen and Anya at Guen's mom's place in Marlboro, VT.
Nov 12, 2009
Photos: 25
I finally broke down and bought a $500 digital SLR camera--just to shoot night photos. These are from my first few serious nights out with it, and the results turned out much better than I expected. There are no tricks in these photos--only minor overall adjustments to brightness, contrast, and color balance. The mountains are illuminated by artificial light from the city.
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A calm and cooling motion
It's shaking off my tension
Surprise, surprise
It's called being alive
The answers to my questions
Repeating; Have I mentioned
I lied? Don't like the way I'm being tried
A lonely heart is what I'm slowly aiming for
Forget what you see; leave it to me
I'll lead you there
It's not about the money
But the world doesn't agree
A bribe, a lie, a trick
We'll hide the truth
And they won't see
As long as you have changed your mind
Your soul belongs to me
We have got no pride
And no honor to be seen
"A little; just a little"
A lie or just a riddle?
Appeal, I feel
But only if it's real
"It works in this direction;
Let's take another exit"
You cheat, I see
You're not the one for me
The happiness of people
Is such a fickle thing
To bend and break
The give and take
Is too much for me
Love is just the gum
That we replace without a care
Had your heart forever
Now another day is here
The puzzle pieces
Of our life will rarely make a fit
But we take our chances
And go along with it
The pouring rain fills up your brain
It takes so much to weigh down your regrets
This life is drifting on the open sea...
This boat is not enough for you and me...
Building up your fences to avoid the best you can
All the laws and morals understood by fellow man
If I could be on the other side then I would be
"Oh, hello!" I'd say, but you'd never look at me
If you ever bother asking me if love is really true
I would stare you in the face and say it's looking right at you
If I really understood you better than you know yourself
Then I know I'm perfect for you and nobody else
Cover - www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWX7v…
1925 - Ashe - English Lyrics by AshestoashesjcWatch
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These lyrics are a set that I am the most proud of, and this is also the first post I've ever made on deviantART. I want to thank one of my watchers for the great idea that I post my lyrics here!
Not going to lie, I always (until now) thought that the first line was "A comical emotion". This makes more sense to me now.
Have you ever dreamed about doing music? Just curious.
This is awesome! Keep up the good work.
I love this song and have done for ages. But my best guy friend and crush sang this song and dedicated it to me. And my heart swelled ❤ I cried
What program do you use to records your voice?
Your voice hypnotized me. I made a cover for my school talent show. Sadly I couldn't get any footage.
Ashe, are you from Skaro? ;_;
Thank you for being so utterly inspiring. Really. You've got me on in life!
Here's my cover, I'm sorry for the timing being wrong because of audacity's exporting abilities, and my own lack of talent XD
But if you get time, I would be honoured if you gave it a listen anyways: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BXAxF…
Here's my cover, I'm sorry for the timing being wrong because of audacity's exporting abilities, and my own lack of talent XD
But if you get time, I would be honoured if you gave it a listen anyways: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BXAxF…
I really love this cover! (and every one you do) Keep it up ^^ ~
Your cover of this song is amazing i love it, i listen to it all the time
I love 1925! Thanks for doing a wonderful cover of it =3
^^ but again,nice song,all of your songs are amazing and keep on getting better as they go,i hope you get so much famous and you get tons of internet and real life money
*wipes a tear*so beautiful!Its fabulous darling fabulouuuuss!!
this makes me so happy cuz it like...describes me!!!especially the "oh hello"I'd say but you'd never look at me!!^u^
(That expression explains meee!!)
this makes me so happy cuz it like...describes me!!!especially the "oh hello"I'd say but you'd never look at me!!^u^
(That expression explains meee!!)
e u e dat voice.IS AMAZING
the cover.. is beautiful...
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These are wonderful i'm in love with you and your voice
I never thought youd have the lyrics to your own rendition of this song. Been searching forEVER for this. Man Ive been quite silly the whole time searching
I love this song, you sing it so well! I keep listening to it while driving to work XD
Oh my gosh *-* I love these lyrics.. They're so pretty... may I use them?? >3<
i luv these lyrics!
mind if i use them?
i luv these lyrics!
mind if i use them?
Imma be honest I hate English dub but when I heard u sing this I fell in love with it
Ahaha! Thanks!
I faved this on youtube~!
awesome lyrics!
dude, your work is TOO AWESOME! >w< i especially love the last four lines of your translation!! X3 keep up the awesomeness!! XD
This has been on repeat for the past hour. So good.
My mum listened to this, and she liked the fact that she could understand what you were singing, but the guitar part was a bit annoying. XD Then I told her that it was a fandub.
I just adored these lyrics so much! Your voice is fantastic, it was so soothing in your recording and I couldn't help but replay it >>. I like your work by the way!
These lyrics are addicting~ <3
Ahhhh, you've started posting your translyrics! ♥♥♥ *u* This is one of my favorite set of lyrics from you, although it's really hard to choose out of all your fantastic lyrics. QuQ
You're too nice to me! And yeah, I'm really happy someone suggested I post them here. It was a great idea!
This was the first video I watched from you! It's definitely my favorite, because it stays close to the meaning and has perfect rhythm with the song. Also, thanks for using my idea and posting up your translyrics. ; w ;
It's awesome, I remember watching this video and the lyrics is awesome. You should upload more of your lyrics.


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I recently got an alert from a PE 905 which I manage:
I1912 SEL Full. I checked the SEL via the DRAC web UI and saw the following message repeated about 50 times for today:
"The disk drive bay battery has failed"
Followed a few seconds later by the equivalent trouble cleared message (unfortunately I cleared the SEL to see if I was still getting the messages before I could copy down its exact wording).
The trouble is that I wasn't even aware that the drive bay had a battery. (It doesn't, does it?)
The only RAID controller in the box is a PERC 6/i, and its battery is reported as good. I did not see any ROMB errors (nor did I get alerts), nor anything else to indicate the PERC's battery is bad.
Needless to say, I googled the error message but the best I could find was one cross-posted article in Japanese. Via G translate the author appears to indicate that the message could indicate a RAID battery failure or impending controller failure, per Dell.
It looks like he replaced the controller and the battery thereby resolving the issue. But were both replacements required? (I'm on a tight budget, and no, we no longer have Dell service/support on this machine).
With only one available post on this topic, I'd just like to know if anyone could shed more light on this error. I'd be happy to provide any logs, etc, however everything except that message in the SEL looks hunky-dory. In fact, the error has not returned in the past ~hour since clearing the log.


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Newly released documents show that the Army is being more selective about who it allows in.
According to documents, last year there no recruits with misconduct convictions, or drug or alcohol issues.
Current soldiers aren't exempt from the tougher standards: they too must maintain high levels of conduct in order to stay on for another tour in uniform.
During the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the Army loosened their standards in order to have enough boots on the ground. Recruits with misdemeanors and certain felonies were given waivers to join the Army; felons had typical committed crimes such as manslaughter, vehicular homicide, robbery and consensual sex with a minor.
Prospective soldiers with low aptitude scores and typically disqualifying medical issues were permitted to join.
By 2007, three in 10 new recruits had some sort of waiver to join the Army. While military officials defended the decision as preventing mistakes in the past from allowing otherwise good soldiers to serve their country, mid-level officers serving overseas argued that it was instead breeding too much bad behavior in combat zones.
In some instances, soldiers allowed to serve on misconduct waivers have gone on to committing serious crimes. Steven Dale Green, a former 101st Airborne Division Soldier, was given a waiver for his drug background. While in Iraq, he gang-raped a 14-year-old girl, before killing her and her entire family. He is serving five life sentences.
Since 2009, the number of those receiving waivers has begun to go down, with only 10 percent of soldiers in 2011 needing a waiver to join. Most of those waivers were for medical reasons, not conduct. In 2009, 546 misconduct waivers were given, including 220 for convictions--in 2011, that number dropped to 189.
The Army is also reducing the number of bonuses to attract recruits or entice soldiers to stay on active duty.
Military leaders say by weeding out the unqualified, the smaller Army will become stronger and more efficient, having the right soldiers in critical positions.
This is all part of an effort to slash the size of the active duty Army from its peak of about 570,000 during the height of the Iraq War to 490,000 by 2017.


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"Water is Fattening" and Other Century-Old Diet Tips
When the "experts" preach fundamental inaccuracies, how's the general public supposed to know?
As The Week discovered, in her 1918 work, "Physical Beauty, How to Keep It," Mrs. Annette Kellerman (accreditation questionable, but she's pictured at right) coached women on how to ascertain whether or not they needed to shed a few pounds:
"...Stand before your mirror nude and look yourself over...Now bend over in various attitudes. Are there unsightly wrinkles and rolls of loose flesh? Lie down on a bed or couch on your back...With your free hand grasp the loose skin and flesh that lies above these muscles...if you are too fat there will be big rolls of loose flesh above the tightened muscles."
Once you had that straight, you could move on to strategic tips like getting out of bed ("over-sleeping at any time makes one stupid and logy and, yes -- fat") and, for all that's good and holy, avoiding water at all costs.
READ: The Healthy Skin Diet: 6 Yummy Foods That Prevent Wrinkles
In "The Woman Beautiful" (1899) by Helen Follett Jameson (again, qualifications unknown) the author insists that readers "Do not drink much water. A little lemon juice added to it will make it less fattening."
Likewise, an anonymous Countess penned "Beauty's Aids, Or, How to be Beautiful," in which she dispensed this sound dieting advice: "First and most important, drink very little [water], as little as possible, and only [drink] red or white wine, preferably Burgundy, or tea or coffee slightly alcoholized." Party on, Countess.
The nonsense continues in spades (you can read more here), but if you really stop and think about it, silly as it was, their "knowledge" is comforting.
Despite the mind-blowing technological and scientific advances we've made over the last 100 years, how many times have you been confused about what the "latest studies" show? Eat blueberries, no actually don't, they're bad. Carbs are the devil's handiwork but maybe not for your body type. Drink red wine but, then again, maybe you shouldn't. And on, and on.
Seems to this lowly reporter that in a hundred years people may very well look back at the things we chose to perceive as gospel and downright guffaw at the idiocy of (some of) them.
As we all realize, the "what's healthy -- for today anyway" messages we're bombarded with are utterly confusing and more than a tad contradictory. Maybe then, a little common sense, like knowing that water's not fattening, coupled with proven science, is all we really need to stay healthy. (And, what we need to keep our great-grandchildren from rolling in the aisles at our stupidity.)
READ: 10 New Weight Loss and Diet Myths and Facts
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5. Bring the right equipment
That Stiletto titanium framing hammer in my hands—one of the great benefits of working at TOH is the cool stuff we get to try out—was the envy of the crew because it only weighs 14 ounces but performs like a 22-ounce, which means less arm ache at the end of the day. It wasn't necessary to bring your own tools on this build, but a tool belt equipped with a good claw hammer, a measuring tape, and a utility knife really came in handy. Sunscreen, hat, and a water bottle are essential for health and comfort during the workday. Ladies: A personal stash of tissues is advisable in case you have to use the portable johns.
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Taking an active role in keeping your mind healthy and happy can keep you from feeling down or depressed. Staying on top of your mood can help maintain healthy relationships with your family and loved ones. If you're not sure whether or not you might be depressed, here are some things to look out for:
- lack of interest and pleasure in daily activities;
- significant weight loss or gain;
- insomnia or excessive sleeping;
- lack of energy;
- inability to concentrate; and
- symptoms such as feelings of worthlessness, excessive guilt, and recurrent thoughts of death or suicide.
Getting the support of a mental health professional is generally a good idea in dealing with symptoms of depression, but even if you're in therapy, you can play an active role in improving your situation. Try following some of our simple tips found here.
There are exercises you can do to improve your mindset and your optimism, the belief that things will go well for you in a given situation. This is important because optimism is associated with health benefits such as:
- less risk of death from heart attack;
- lower risk of depression following events such as the death or illness of someone close; and
- better personal relationships.
Military training for contingency planning can help you identify what can or did go wrong as part of your important risk-assessment skills. However, when you transfer these strategies to noncombat life you may find focusing on potential problems hurts more than it helps. Balancing optimism and contingency planning can be difficult, but the good news is that you can learn optimism too. Here are some strategies to get you started.
Don't make things harder for yourself by making excuses or creating excuses in advance. When you set a goal and the stakes feel high, it can be easy to make excuses when you fail in order to avoid negative feelings such as regret, shame, or guilt. Without thinking about why you do it, you may sometimes make tasks harder than they need to be so that ready-made excuses "protect" you from feeling bad. The downside is that you miss opportunities to learn from your experiences and test your "true" skills. This is called "self-handicapping." Learn how to set yourself up for success instead. Read more here.
The ultimate performance mind state is often referred to as "the Zone," which scientists refer to as "flow." It isn't something you can decide to suddenly experience, but you can remove obstacles and learn mental skills that help pave the way. This experience of being completely immersed in an activity involves:
- Clear goals and immediate understanding of whether actions are helping or hurting your progress towards goals.
- Being intense and focused on the present moment.
- A merging together—in the moment—of what you do and what you are aware of.
- Not feeling self-consciousness or anxious.
- Time slowing down or speeding up.
- Your attention focused on exactly where you need it to be.
- Feeling challenged yet taking opportunities even when they're a slight stretch.
- Feeling in control and prepared to face whatever happens next.
You can experience the Zone in many ways, whether you're engaged in combat, playing competitive sports, or raising children. It can't be forced, but you can set the stage for it by doing many hours of deliberate practice and by honing good mental skills.
Take plenty of 30-second microbreaks to ease computer-related physical discomfort. Do you spend hours in front of your computer? Then you've probably noticed that your neck, low back, shoulders, and wrists can feel tired and sore afterwards. A great strategy that can help these discomforts is to take "microbreaks"—30-second breaks from your computer. They can help even if you're just working for 3 hours at a computer—much less a full workday! Some tips to consider:
- Take a microbreak every 20 minutes when working in front of a computer.
- Don't wait until you feel the need for a break. It's more helpful to create a specific break schedule than to wait until it feels like time to take one.
- Don't worry about taking micro breaks and getting less done. For most tasks, microbreaks actually don't negatively impact productivity.
You can learn to use the same mental imagery skills that elite athletes use to achieve peak performance. Mental imagery is the practice of seeing (and feeling) in your mind's eye how you want to perform a skill, as if you were actually doing it. It's a popular sport psychology technique that service members can take advantage of. You can enhance your usual training to help maintain—or even surpass—your current skill level, even when you're sidelined.
Some of the benefits of mental imagery include:
- Better decision-making
- Fewer errors
- Improved attention
- Increased confidence
- Reduced stress and anxiety
You can create imagery in your mind for just about any task, such as improving your running time or marksmanship. Good mental imagery uses all of the senses, but it often helps to listen to a scripted audio recording. Use HPRC's Building an Imagery Script worksheet to guide you through the steps of creating your own imagery script.
Watching others can also help. In fact, being a spectator can boost learning even more than mental imagery by itself because you're viewing what you'd like to accomplish rather than conjuring up images with your own mind. Both methods of learning are effective. Observing can be in person or by video, but you can also combine video/imagery approaches and potentially get even more bang for your buck.
With any of these approaches, it's important to "feel" yourself executing the skill, even though you might be sitting or lying down. Of course, you don't have to be sitting still to use mental imagery. Try using it in the setting where you'll actually perform the skill. You can even incorporate it into existing training protocols.
Mindfulness can help you feel better equipped to handle difficult emotions. It's a process geared to help you tune in to emotional experiences rather than try to escape from them. It's easy to be overcome by depression, anxiety, PTSD, addiction, or other mental health problems. And you can make it worse by trying to forget the cause. For example, a service member afflicted with PTSD desperately wants to avoid experiencing certain traumatic events. Ironically, the actual effort to forget can cause him to relive difficult events through dreams, flashbacks, or memories. To illustrate this idea, right now, try NOT to think of weapons. You probably thought about them that much more. Read more here.
Mental toughness is a psychological edge that some are born with and others develop. It's a mixture of traits that are important for all who want to overcome adversity and be successful. These traits include a strong belief in yourself and an unshakable faith that you control your own destiny. It allows you to consistently cope with training and lifestyle demands better than those who don't have it.
If you have these 4 Cs, you're mentally tough:
- Control: You feel in control of your emotions and are influential with the people in your life.
- Commitment: You embrace difficulty rather than running from it.
- Challenge: You believe that life is full of opportunities, not threats.
- Confidence: You know you have what it takes to be successful.
How to get it? You can gain mental toughness through a long-term process of developing mental skills. Leaders can specifically promote mental toughness by creating a learning environment centered on the mastery of the 4 Cs. They also can help by generally supporting and encouraging service members to maintain positive relationships. Over the long haul, to maintain and improve your mental toughness, you need to constantly hone your mental skills. And finally, you need a self-driven, insatiable desire to succeed.
Routines often can help your performance, but you need to be flexible too. Some of the world's best athletes have scripted routines that begin with what time they wake up. Top performers find that routines can help shift them from stressful anticipation of how things are going to turn out to focus instead on what's most important in that moment. In other words, routines can help you reduce anxiety.
But while rigid routines can be useful when the events are predictable, overly rigid routines can morph a helpful tool into a superstitious or obsessive ritual. The best athletes regard flexibility and adaptation as crucial to their own, often finely honed, routines. With service members for whom crises are part of the job, the best teams are able to go "off-script" when needed in order to work together most effectively.
For more information on mental aspects of performance, visit HPRC's Mind Tactics domain.
How we interpret experiences has a big impact on how we react to them. Your personal relationships are especially prone to "thinking traps" that can lead you to draw false conclusions. For example, let's say you've been married for some time now. But recently you find yourself thinking your partner doesn't love you any more because she or he no longer says so.
One way to address this kind of thinking trap is to ask yourself—or have a friend ask you—questions that make you think about the reasoning or evidence behind what you're thinking:
- What specifically makes you think your spouse doesn't love you any more?
- What did he or she do in the past that made you feel loved?
- Are there any other possible explanations that might explain your partner's behavior, such as job stress, an ailing parent, children acting out, or recent return from deployment?
- When you think back to the beginning of your relationship, how could you tell he or she loved you? Was it something said? Or done?
- Has your behavior toward your spouse changed recently?
Questions such as these can help you gain perspective. Once you've gone through this self-questioning process, it's possible you'll interpret your partner's behavior in a different way. Maybe you were just caught up in a thinking trap.


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"Accessibly written, and with contextual material involving both Murray's times and up-to-date historical thinking about Enlightenment women and the early republic, the book will become the starting point for all future work about Murray and women writers before the Jacksonian period."—American Historical Review
"A very fine biography, one that is not only an excellent work of scholarship but also highly readable and engaging. In mining and analyzing new materials, Skemp has turned the historical spotlight on an author and critic worthy of ongoing consideration."—New England Quarterly
"I am deeply grateful to Skemp for providing us with such a comprehensive perspective on Murray and for helping bring her out of the shadows and into the limelight shared by contemporaries such as Abigail Adams and Mercy Otis Warren. . . . What is most valuable about this book, however, is Skemp's wonderful depiction of the transition in the early Republic as old New England families were forced to share power and authority with the rising classes."—William and Mary Quarterly
"Sheila Skemp gives readers unprecedented access to Murray's private writing, shared almost exclusively with family members and close friends, at these and other momentous occasions in her exceptional new biography. Skemp takes us beyond Murray's more familiar published work to her richly descriptive thoughts on the terrors of childbirth; travels; visits with the likes of Washington and John Adams; and the travails of educating her daughter, two girls also under her stewardship, and the boisterous sons of her brother, who had been sent north from Natchez with Harvard in their sights."—Eighteenth-Century Studies
"Skemp's nimble selection of the details. . . reveal in stunning, sad, and human detail the mind and life of a brilliant woman who advocated for women's equality well before Mary Wollstonecraft."—Resources for American Literary Study


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West Brom earned a hard-fought 0-0 draw against Stoke City on Saturday to set a new club record unbeaten streak in the Premier League.
The Midlands side had the lion's share of the chances at the Britannia Stadium but after being unable to break the deadlock, they picked up a point that sees them extend their undefeated run to five top-flight matches.
The home side will also be happy with a result that sees them end a run of three straight league losses that has left them languishing towards the bottom of the table.
Stoke manager Mark Hughes opted to make three changes from the side that lost 1-0 to Fulham before the international break, with a double switch in the middle seeing Charlie Adam and Oussama Assaidi drafted in.
But while that reshuffle appeared to be tactical, Hughes had less choice in handing Andy Wilkinson his first league start of the season, with in-form defender Geoff Cameron struggling with a calf injury.
His counterpart, Steve Clarke, maintained continuity from the 1-1 draw with Arsenal, with the only change seeing striker Nicolas Anelka replaced by Victor Anichebe, who returned from a groin injury.
It was the visitors who got off to the better start too, with Stephane Sessegnon seeing his shot sail over the crossbar in the ninth minute shortly before he went one-on-one with Asmir Begovic, only to see the goalkeeper deny him with a fine save.
Hughes' men soon worked their way back into the game, and their best chance came just before the break when a clever free-kick was met by Stephen Ireland, with Boaz Myhill doing well to get down low to his effort.
The visitors came out more brightly at the start of the second half, and their emphatic penalty appeals were waved away in the 59th minute by referee Howard Webb when Youssouf Mulumbu's heel appeared to be caught by Adam.
The incident did little to disrupt Stoke, however, who again went close through Ireland soon afterwards, only to see that effort fly over the crossbar.
Adam then challenged Myhill with a long-range effort.
Despite that pressure, Stoke could not find the back of the net, though, meaning that Hughes must wait a little longer for his first win in the league since the end of August.
And it could even have been defeat as West Brom pressed for a winner late on, with their best chance seeing Sessegnon go one-on-one with Begovic only to see the goalkeeper tip his effort wide.
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Released: Aug 01st, 2006
Running Time: 128
Director: Brett Maverick
Company: Bad Seed
Distribution Companies: PHE
Cast: Tommy Gunn, Chloe Dior, Sindy Lange, Rick Masters, Nikki Loren, Vanessa Lane, Randi Wright, Magnum (I)
Critical Rating: AAA
Genre: Gonzo
Porn starlets are snatched off the street, persuaded into a Cadillac with the lure of hundred dollar bills and then further persuaded to show their cameltoes to the camera. The shtick would be more convincing with unknown girls, but most of these starlets do a decent job of playing innocent.
Gymnast Vanessa Lane waits after practice for her dad to pick her up – but later shows Rick Masters some limber tricks. Chloe Dior is bubbly and vivacious from the moment she lays eyes on Tommy Gunn. The camera gets tight with her thick lips wrapped around Gunn's bone. And Randi Wright gets doused in baby oil before slithering around with Gunn.
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is dan drunk? you ought to give that a quick read and tune-up.
You know, after reading that I remembered why I watched the state of the union. It is not that Der Fueher would say anything new. I am just waiting for him to address the Congress and walk behind the speaker and the V-P and pull down the American Flag to reveal a swastika or a hammer and sickle. At least the suspense of waiting for our liberties and rule of law will finally come to an end.....
Dan- the Venzuelan congress has no choice when it comes to loyalt to Chavez. His economically ill-advised populism has resulted in a public so Chavezmanic that an objector to Chavez's power-seizure would have no chance of reelection.
Think of the Authorization to Use Military Force or the Patriot Act. This sort of congressional approbation must be put in scare quotes.
Dan's breathless post reminds me of a piece that appeared yesterday in the NY Times' sister publication, the International Herald Tribune. Headline: "Elemental Caution in Immoderate Times." I can't link because it's under the Times' pay service, but I think I'm OK to quote the first two sentences:
Barack Obama tells of Democrats who rush up to him at events insisting "that we live in the worst of political times, that a creeping fascism is closing its grip around our throats."
It's then, the presidential candidate says, that he points to graver intervals in American history, and suggests, no small wisdom here, "we all take a deep breath."
Yeah, things could be--and have been--a lot worse here. But I do think it's relevant to point out that they're still pretty damn bad, and that countries such as Venezuela that are commonly viewed as autocratic are really not that much different from the US currently.
That said, these are worrisome moves by Chavez. Until now, I think he's been a pretty good model of a Latin American leader who can stand up to US corporate interests and enact truly progressive reforms. No matter how popular he is, though, ruling by decree is a step too far. It threatens to undermine all the good Chavez has done, and render him a useless cartoon enemy like Fidel Castro. I think that's what Chavez wants, unfortunately.
Congress *supine*? Prone is more like it, prone and ready to take it up the ass like a dull bottom - the kind that just lies there and moans.
By the way did you all catch the story circulating that the recent US/Iraqi victory over sunni insurgents was really an Sunni-iraqi massacre of a Shia tribe in which we participated becuase we didn't know any better. (The UK Independent summarizes the regional papers.)
We haven't had an Enduring Freedom / Dessert Strom named operation for a while. I vote for naming the troop surge Operation Invincible Ignorance.
As a lefty, I'm supposed to root for this anti-democratic dictator in the making, right? Sorry, Chavez has gone way too far.
#6 it was all over the news that U.S forces were going to train there gun sites on the Shia everyday in the last two weeks. Nothing new or shocking, except that were going to get shot at now by both sides even more in the next month. Everybody ready for the Iranian invasion. scratch that, sorry. Its like yelling bomb in an airport.
Troops home now! ASAP!
Deep breaths? Good idea. People are really going crazy! From the exploding, out of control anti-war movement to the constant protests and frenzied political action...oh wait
I do not understand the white liberal fear of Chavez. He has won in one landslide elction after another. He channels oil money into programs to the poor, etc etc. He is the type of leftie leader this country could use. Somebody with a spine and the will to call a spade a shovel, or Bush a facist. I for one would rather have ChAVEZ covering my back then "Impeachment is off the table" Nacy Pelosi.
Gary - many of the people on this Slog are not left - as in Dan - they are trapped Republicans.
All of South America is in economic boom and change. Thanks to the anti poverty God, and have little need for anything American except buyers.....at much higher international prices.
Hard to give up control for American business.....our economic colonies are one by one escaping.
And beware all the phony lefties in Seattle.
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Although the words gay, straight and bi are useful terms for men to embrace their sexual orientations, they don't always do a good job of describing the reality of the kind of sex all men have.
At times, some guys find themselves having sex with other men, not because they are in denial, but because they are attracted to the speed, taboo and the thrill of two guys getting it on.
Today we take a look at why straight men from time to time get jiggy with another guy.
Can you really seduce a straight man and if so how much beer do you have to bring to the party to make it happen?Plus-
Zachary Quinto is happy all the Star Trek fans have said live long and prosper for coming out as gay but does he think the sci-fi franchise is ready for a gay character?
Lesbian skeletons locked in embrace for all eternity
Gay vandalism claim in the suburbs of Chicago likely a hoax.
Do not follow the Megan Mullaly diet– she's been shilling for junk food for 30 years.
And Matt Bomer has a hard time wearing a thong, just how hard?
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TOPEKA, Kan. (WIBW) - Topeka Police are investigating how an elderly woman ended up pinned beneath her vehicle and killed.
Authorities were called just before noon Thursday to the 1300 block of SW Pinoak. Neighbors found a woman pinned underneath a vehicle in front of a residence.
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I am doing some experiments in NLB using Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard. I have 2 windows machines, each with 2 nics. On each machine, only 1 NIC is used, the other one is not plugged into the network and is disabled at the operating system level.
I have setup a NLB cluster in unicast mode with the 2 machines. According to what I've read on some technical articles, in unicast mode, nodes part of the same cluster should not be able to talk to each other.
What is confusing me is that they actually can. I can ping one from the other, and I can also launch a remote desktop connection from one to the other without any problem.
Am I doing something strange, or had the unicast limitations been lifted in Windows Server 2008 R2?
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Mystery: This picture was found in an Ogilvie family Bible owned by James David Ogilvie and Abbie Corneilia Williams. This photo appears to be that of a woman, surrounded by her daughters and daughter-in-law(s). My best guess is that the woman in the center is Mary Jane Morrow, second wife of Thomas Ogilvie. I have no guesses for the girl in the bottom left corner. Maybe a daughter-in-law? The upper left appears to possibly be Mary Jane's daughter, Jesse Ogilvie. The upper right might possibly be Mary Jane's daughter, Julia Ogilvie. The bottom right is definitely Abbie Corneilia Williams Ogilvie, a daughter-in-law of Mary Jane's. Any help identifying any of the individuals in this picture would be greatly appreciated!
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Charity Conner I am Granddaughter of William L. Ogilvie.. I am trying to find more info out also!
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AMMAN, Jordan (AP) - The presiding bishop of the Evangelical
Lutheran Church in America says the Israeli invasion of Gaza does
not meet the criteria for a just war.
Bishop Mark Hanson, who also is president of the Lutheran World
Federation, is in the Holy Land to host of meeting of 43 of his
denomination's 66 American bishops.
Hanson says Israel's operation in Gaza fails to meet just war criteria such as proportional response and the protection of non-combatants. He meets today with Jordan's King Abdullah and plans to meet with Israeli and Palestinian leaders as well.
Hanson says Lutheran bishops are celebrating the Feast of Epiphany today at the site on the Jordan River where Jesus is believed to have been baptized. Tonight, he says, they'll join Orthodox Christians celebrating Christmas Eve in Bethlehem.
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