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New in-game pet for World of Warcraft is generating sales of about $500,000 an hour, so far.
The "Celestial Steed" (right) is, according to its description on the Blizzard Store, "freshly born from the Twisting Nether" and allows players to "travel in style astride wings of pure elemental stardust."
More research is of course necessary but as of press time, it is widely believed that the Celestial Steed may be the fanciest horse ever born.
The fancy horse costs $25 and offers no new abilities to players, only riding as fast as a character's riding skill will enable it to go.
According to wow.com, the download queue as of 1:45 Pacific time was at 80,000. At $25 a pop, this means that this noble steed has generated sales of $2 million since its approximate debut at 9:30 this morning, or around $500,000 an hour.
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Lets talk numbers shall we?Posted: Aug 09, 2010 12:00AM PST by Dacraker
Lets say the " normal" gamer buys 2 games a week, thats $5,760 a year <--holy crap.
but im not being fair...ok ok 1 game a week (Btw is crap becouse we all buy more then 2 alot of the time) $2,880 a year <--LMAO wow really?
ok ok fine the " casual" gamers...1 a month( is still crap becouse even if you play casual you tend to buy more then 1 a month) $720 a year. not alot...but still enough to turn heads.
not a gamer? ok...movies..$20 a movie( pretty low price, but again, im trying to be fair) 1 a week = $80 a month and $960 a year.....thats a fat pocket of cash. not BAD i guess(btw we all get more then 1 movie a week at times)
ok ok...not into games or movies?.....then why the hell are you on this debate? get outa here =P
ok lets look at the warcrafters: 1 month of sub is $15. thats $60 a month and $720 a year. like i said...alot..but i would be dishin out alot more money if i was a " normal" game player.
now lets look at it in the long run...over the course of 5 years...
warcrafters: $3,600
the "other" gamers: $23,040
movie peoplez: $4,800
clearly the warcrafters win the money debate, so Shut the F**** up =)
as far as it ruining the DLC debate. i agree, over time more companys are going to fallow. but as much of a mess this has made already i dont think blizz wil be doing it again, they are VERY sensitive about their rep.
bottom line: you dont like forkin money over to enjoy this hobby, quit. stop crying about it to the rest of us, we dont care. go away and get off our turf =P
You can't be serious...Posted: Jan 06, 2011 12:00AM PST by Lazarus1209
This has to be the most asinine post I have ever read. Let's break down your numbers...
A gamer buys 1 - 2 games a week kidding me? That means that a gamer buys 52 - 104 games a year and and 260 - 520 games over a five year period. I've been gaming since the NES days and haven't played that many games in my life. Your numbers also indicate that gamers ONLY buy new games for the price of about $55 a game. This figure precludes the idea of gamers buying older games (greatest hits contenders are about $20 - $30 per game new), used games which are discounted even if the game came out the same week, and downloaded games which are significantly cheaper.
I think your argument about casual gamers is still off as well. If you look at most casual gamer libraries they tend only to get a couple of games. amassing about 20 games every 5 years.
Another thing, most gamers tend to trade in games for credit towards new games.
Your movie numbers are more fair, but it's still rare for all but the most zealous of movie freaks to buy more than one movie a week, if that, especially with the rise of Netflix.
In the end, I don't care if the WOW fans spend their money continually to feed their gaming desires. To each his own. I just think you shouldn't balloon your facts to try to rationalize the expenditure of your hard earned cash. If you like the game and are willing to fork over the money, kudos to you. Just don't throw figures out there that don't make sense to prove a point.
@Dacraker:Posted: Jan 06, 2011 12:00AM PST by Nachtritter
You fail at math, and research. Where the fuck did you get your numbers? The 'normal' gamer buys 1-2 games a week? Since when? Where did you get that? And 15$ for a monthly sub equals 60$ a month (you said yourself, it's monthly, not 4 weeks of 15$ each)? What????
hahaPosted: Apr 30, 2010 12:00AM PST by MobiusReactor
So if I'm riding a magical unicorn, does that make me a rainbow knight? and if I'm a rainbow knight do i make out with sir lancelot on the weekends? and where's lucky or the trix rabbit in all of this?
So lemme get this straight---riding a unicorn makes me cool? Somebody please kick my ass!!
I hope the world wakes up one day where the men look like bruce willis,and the women look like chuck norris. Then we could all be tough again like our grandpappys in WW2. World War Two. not world of warcraft two you dorktards.
Who cares?Posted: Apr 29, 2010 12:00AM PST by joeyatog
Why do people complain about what others spend their money on? Most people who play WoW really only play that one game on a regular basis. So if they want to buy pointless in-game add-ons/pets/etc., more power to them! Other gamers buy new games all the time; I don't hear people complaining about that. If you are gaming and happy with what you got, then ignore the haters!
Blizzard will get $$$ from me for SC IIPosted: Apr 23, 2010 12:00AM PST by SPARTAN0040
Done with paying for WOW. In the future when I get a better job and have time perhaps I will go back to a MMO. I would like to by SC II when its available.
Everyone's happy.Posted: Apr 22, 2010 12:00AM PST by Liaana
Well, I'm a WoW fan and I purchased the thing. And I'm very happy with it. And it didn't bother me to pay $25 for it.
And, It's probably the same thing for people who are playing The Sims 3, and purchasing objects online on Electronic Art website. Or every online poker players who spend a lot of money to play with virtual people.
That's a clever way to make money for the producing companies, and people are happy to spend money to enjoy even more their favourite games.
So what's the problem with that? Everyone's happy.
.......okay.....I take it back....Posted: Apr 19, 2010 12:00AM PST by Gold_Ultima
This makes the Modern Warfare 2 Stimulus Pack look like the deal of the fucking century....The original cost for Half Life 2: episode 1 was 20 dollars and it was a 7 hour game. This is 25 dollars for absolutely no benefit over a normal mount..... I want to meet the people who bought this and smash their face in because that just tells developers that people will pay exorbant amounts of money for this shit.
Still Don't Understand the problemPosted: Apr 19, 2010 12:00AM PST by mrgjr
I still don't see why people are upset about this. You can see my last two posts in this thread. I've taken an interest in this topic more than I thought I would. My daughter plays fusion fall that went free-to-play recently so I've been thinking about the topic and I'm wondering what Pay scheme the Old Republic will use.
I don't understand why people are upset that other people purchased this item or that Blizzard made it availible to purchsae. Unlike the map packs that are referred to in this thread this mount isn't requried to play the game. You have to download those map packs ot play them. You don't have to have this horse or the pet to play WOW. It's a a totally optional purchase that has no effect on yours or others ability to play the game and gives you no game advantage. Why is it evil for Blizzard to make this item availiable for purchase. It's a totally optional buy and they make no claims that it isn't.
I've seen people post that they should make it availible in game because it's a cool mount. I can tell you that the coolest mounts in the game are only availible to about 2% of the WOW population because most people aren't going to be able to do complete the hard mode raid encounters or get the Arena rating in order to obtain them. So while the coolest mounts are in game, they aren't really achievable for the vast majority of the WOW population.
Also, as I posted earlier. What is the difference between this and paying more to watch 3D movies? The 3D Version is more expensive but looks better. We are paying for a better virtual experience.
How is paying more for this vanity item different than any other vanity items you have purchased throughout the years for a hobby. Most people play WOW for a long time so this mount will be with them for years. Even if you suspend your account for awhile and then reacitivate the mount will still be there.
Judging by the amount of people purchasing this product it was a good business decision by Blizzard to do it. How is it evil to offer a product that your audience wants and also make a profit. At some point subscriber numbers stagnate and then you end up with year-over-year flat revenue growth. Wall Street doesn't like that. They always want to see revenue growth year-over-year. Offering a totally optional mount and pet that has no effect on game play is one of the less onerous ways they can keep revenue growing.
There was an earlier response that said something like if you are posting here defending your decision then you must know it was wrong. Not true. What other peopel who I don't know think about my decision to buy or not buy this product doesn't effect me. I am posting because I find the topic interesting and some people have posted rant free counter arguments that are interesting and made me think more about the issue. It's like debating an interesting topic at a bar with a group of people. It's possible that someone will have a point of view that makes me see it differently than I do now.
Meh...Posted: Apr 19, 2010 12:00AM PST by beanburritos
I'd rather have the robot unicorn from Robot Unicorn Attack. It'd be awesome and whenever I hopped on, I'd get to hear "Always" from Erasure.
That is pretty insanePosted: Apr 18, 2010 12:00AM PST by SmokeNc-017
I knew people wanted that mount but god damn. Still the fact that the mount binds to your account and is perpetually with you across any character you have or will ever make for how long it is you'll be playing for is kind of nice, even if it is 25 dollars.
So...Posted: Apr 18, 2010 12:00AM PST by Anomaly
Here I was months ago, saying that buying those Pandaren and Kel'Thuzad pets so lucratively was going to make Blizzard make other in-game aesthetics cost real-life money...
Gentlemen, I give you: The fancy Celestial Horse thing.
Don't be surprised if a number of new features in Cataclysm will be "extra" from the main installation you purchase, and that they also cost money. Personally speaking however, for paying the equivalent amount of a console expansion pack into something that is not only just a reskin, but brings nothing new to the way your game is played, I must say they are real suckers.
Better hope that Blizzard doesn't close down the servers to coerce people into their next eventual MMO. That's a lot of money going down the drain.
@KwlPosted: Apr 18, 2010 12:00AM PST by haonetat01
holy shit, that was the funniest shit I've read all year, lol.
Bliz....Bobby sure knows how too bring in da cash.Posted: Apr 18, 2010 12:00AM PST by Kwl
"Theres plenty of worse things in the world to spend $25 on, and at least this way they're not buying crack from a guy in a trench coat in some back alley."'
I'd rather buy 25$ worth of crack than buy that retarded horse.
@VishPosted: Apr 18, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
it's not the fact that it's just "their money" this kind of crap will eventually effect all of us with over priced DLC, and the idea that "hey we can charge people to purchase stuff we should have just PUT IN THE DAMN GAME.
It comes down to consumers being responsible and not proverabally "screwing the pooch" so we all end up paying more in the long run. I am not sure how indiciative MMO's are for price setting, but this could eventually effect other types of games and DLC, things that should be included in the games that are held out for more money..
It's ObviousPosted: Apr 18, 2010 12:00AM PST by AllShamNoWow
That us Wow players really love horses
geniusPosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by SuperSledge
I need to make money like that!
Let these peoplePosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by TWrite
buy what they want. No one forced them to buy this horse, and if it's what makes them happy then to each his own. Theres plenty of worse things in the world to spend $25 on, and at least this way they're not buying crack from a guy in a trench coat in some back alley. Before we judge these people on spending money on online goods we have to ask ourselves if all the money we waste on name brand goods is truly worth it, or if we should save our pennies by squatting under an overhang in a forest living off of squirrels.
@VIStringHero You hit the nail on the head....Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by matanaka
With "Later levels can be developed much more quickly as the feature set is more complete and the game vision is clearer and more stable"
This is a map pack (one that I'll refuse to buy for the PC) we are are talking about all the development team have had two years working with sdk and should know it like the back of their hands. They will have a clear idea about what they wish to achieve. I don't remember seeing any props that were unique to a single map most of them were ripped straight from the single player or other mp maps. Fair enough there may have been some reskins but that hardly takes up much time in the grand scheme of things.
Ok I may have exaggerated a little bit on the time frame I could have made the maps up to the same level of polish but we are only talking about 3 maps and I haven't had the time with the sdk . There is noway It would take over 4 months for a team of 100+ (before the mass exodus) staff that much of time to produce.
As for improving MW2 well I guess it really comes down to personal opinion. As we are talking about maps I'll stick to them. First things first there is a lot of wasted space in the majority of maps (hence the plague of boosters that people complain about no stop) There should never be areas of the map that have no purpose this is bad design for a start. Also on some maps objective positioning is very poor making the game unbalanced. Imo MW2 is a very unbalanced game from the map design, the weapons and perks, to the presentation of the game it left a lot to be desired.
All I am trying to get across is the value of the map pack for the work that went into it should it be making millions of dollars? If anyone is happy paying the premium for the map pack they have no right calling anyone stupid or a "WoW addict" because they wish to spend their money on this horse.
@CaseyD503Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by matanaka
Clearly you understand little about game developement. There will have been next to no programming involved in making the maps for the map pack, the only code needed would have been to add action effects to the map and from what I've seen of call of duty mp maps there arn't many if any actions takinging place. Iw will have there development tools already set up from the original development process.
Having used their SDK for call of duty 4 making a map was easy once you got the hang of it I'm sure making maps for MW2 would be the same or easier if they have made better tools.
Why would I want to work for Activision, all they do is restrict creative thinking I'm 100% sure I could have done a better job on some aspects of MW2 then IW did doesnt mean I want to.
At the end of the day Both WoW players and MW2 players were charged over the odds for content that took minnimul effort to produce.
Single Celled OrganismsPosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by buckaroobanzai
Since when, exactly, do single-celled organisms serve us? Apart from maybe a few helpful ones like lactobacillus, which I still wouldn't characterize as serving us, the vast majority of single-celled organisms run the gamit from neutral to actively trying to harm us..
And with that...Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by smokeyflea
.. we've become the parts to keep corporate entities functioning... you thought this Earth was for you? Wrong, We serve corporations the same as one celled organisms serve us.
Nice job, assholes.
A Step in the Right DirectionPosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by Patchinko
Microtransactions. Other MMOs have been doing them to great success for years. It's passed time that Blizzard get on board. It would be nice to see them ramp up to an even bigger number of microtransaction type stuff--appearance tweaks for characters that cost a couple of bucks, for example--and then reduce the rather pricy monthly fee that goes with their admitedly outdated though still quite popular MMO, World of Warcraft. I have read recently that WOW is not doing particularly well, especially compared to how it has done historically, probably because they're in that interim period between their last expansion and their next one. Microtransactions like these might be the shot in the arm they need to justify continuing to develop such an old game at the same level they did previously while they wait for the shiny new Blizzard games (which are free-to-play online) and their already-announced "new MMO".
Also, that is one damn fancy horse. I suppose it has to be at 25$ for a cluster of slightly transparent pixels.
Look at my horse...Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by GenesisDoes
...This Horse is "Amazing"!
XD Talk about cash cow.
So...Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by Jaded_Fruit_Fly
What was stopping them from putting this in the upcoming expansion pack?..
Oh right, they knew dumbo's would buy it for $25 a piece.
This is a rip-off no mater what twisted logic you use to make it right in your head.
Good on blizzardPosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by Lucas.Goudie
Gouge the retards and the fuckups. They deserve to be fucking castrated in this economy for buying shit like that.
Also: You could buy like two good indie games for the price of an ingame item that does NOTHING. This is SAD.
Might be worth itPosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by Bombader
It looks like a really fancy horse...
To be frank I'm not too surprised, with a base like WoW. Mounts are also a big thing for players, and not to mention this gets around the whole gold farming crud that most people might have payed to get a mount in the first place.
Hey,Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by CaseyD503
If blizzard is confident their fans will pay $25 for a fancy horse, by all means, fleece the fuckers. This is just shrewd business sense, if you can get more for your product, why the hell not?
also, @matanaka: You must be a super programmer, sir. If you could kick out a new map pack in a week, why doesn't Activision just hire you to replace everyone at IW? then you could put your proverbial money where your mouth is.
O'REALY?Posted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by Fredericht
Everyone here saying that spending money on stuff like this is stupid, is a hypocrite. Nuff said
The Future of World Of WarcraftPosted: Apr 17, 2010 12:00AM PST by Dethgar
Dear ActiBlizz Fanboy,
In the future, you will be required to purchase your gear via "microtransactions". You will also be required to purchase new dungeons, attempts on bosses, spells/abilities, new classes, new characters, gold, login attempts, xp bonuses, potions, oxygen, water, colostomy bags, catheders, bandages for sores, facial hair, back hair, pubic hair, WoW themed energy drinks, flavor packets for said energy drinks so they taste drinkable, in-game toilet paper, instant travel, and finally barrens chat. Each of these are expected to be priced within the reasonable range of $15-$1000, and last approximately(depending on how we feel at the time) 15 minutes. We hope you enjoy your new useless shinies, and please, make sure you enlist in welfare and free medical programs to insure you can continue to play uninterupted.
Bobby "Dick Face" Kotick
That is fine..Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
I am certainly glad you understand that, however it shows that there is a lack of understanding of the value of money. To be honest, the fact that so many WoW people who bought this thing made accounts on THIS site to defend their financial decisions to a load of strangers is actually a pretty sure fire sign of addicition. I am not saying everyone here is, that is certainly a broad brush stroke only a fool would take.
However , valuation of money is important, and there is a lack of that, insecurity with a decision tends to cause a rash defensive response. You are welcome to spend anyway you wish, I am sure people who bought this arn't negelecting their responsibilities (for the most part), but from a real financial stand point it is irresponsible. Everyone makes irresponsible decisions in life, financial or otherwise, this just happens to be one of those decisions. Please don't be surprised to see price hikes on the next thing they sell, higher subscription fees etc...because by your financial response to this, thats the business signal you've sent them. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact from an individual who studies and works on corporate 10-k annual SEC filings as well as business strategies.
o.OPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Ryurin
Pretty sure it's each person's $25 to spend or not spend. I understand the economy is a tough place, but it's not like every person buying a virtual horse are deciding whether to buy a video game horse or feed their kids that evening. Believe it or not, WoW is a game that has many types of players...some who play all day, some who play 30 minutes, some who play 4 hours, some who play after school, some who play after work, some who play cause they have no jobs.
Most people buying these things (myself included) have jobs, can afford not only to feed and clothe themselves appropriately, pay rent (for an apartment in Southern California), pay for World of Warcraft and a virtual horse without starving or neglecting myself, my husband, my dog, my cat, or anything or anyone else who is reliant on me. I understand in this economy this is not the case for everyone, and I applaud you for making the decision to be responsible with your money. But to go so far and tell people that they are being irresponsible with their money is out of line. I don't tell anyone what to do financially because honestly it's none of my business.
If you can afford the things you need and a few of the things you want in life, congratulations! If you can't, it sucks, but I applaud you for somehow making ends meet because you obviously have a computer and the internet and the free time to post on a gaming website. People like different things. I'd never spend a ton of money on a classic or racing car, because it's not something that interests me. Does that mean a car collector is wasting his money? No. It just means that we have different interests.
They made way more than $2 mill the first 4 hours.Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by kientran
There were 80k people in queue, as in people waiting in line to get it after people ahead of them.
Based on some friends, we were able to estimate they can process 100k orders per hour.
9:30am - 1:45pm = 4.25 hours * 100k/hour sales = 505k sales
Add 80k for the queue at 1:45pm
(505k + 80k) * $25= $12.6 million in the first 4.25 hours.
money for nothingPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Mr.Ironic
$25 for a horse? INSANE :)
@sparton0040 is there wow armies you can buy? That gives me an idea for a game. Imagine if you actually had to buy your army troops and fight other paid for armies...insane, maybe an rts but it would probably only work in a persistent world.
Literally funding your war against someone else.
Well worth it...Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Rodskii
This mount cost me 45 minutes of real life work.
How many hours did people spend grinding for Rivendare's mount or the Ulduar Mounts? How about the Holiday event mount? Or the amount of time to grind out the gold/components for a Mechanohog?
I equate anything in game to cost vs time. My time is worth quite a bit therefore I feel I came out on top this round. Especially for a ground/air mount. Not having to switch mounts between flying/non flying zones is so amazing.
I would be pissed if I played WoWPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Ottsider
Here they have players paying a monthly fee, and they're charging for mounts? I play FFXI, and if Square-Enix was to charge anything for a Chocobo, even a real cool one, I would be pissed. Make it a quest, use the money I'm already paying you with my monthly subscription and just implement it normally in the game.
OwnershipPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by mrgjr
I totally understand that I don't own the mount and that it will go away when the servers are shut down or I quit playing. To me it's no different than the 3D glasses I've gotten when taking my kids to 3D Movies. The cost for all of us to see those 3D movies is high. While I can take the glasses with me after the movie it's pointless because they make you pay the same amount for the next 3D movie even if you already have glasses so those glasses are really a one time use item. There were non-3D versions of those movies but for more money we could see a better version. We could afford it and my kids are great kids (most of the time) so paying the extra money wasn't an issue and seeing my sons reactions to the effects was probably more enjoyable for me than it was for him. We basically paid for better enjoyment of the pixels on the movie screen for 2 hours.
Eventhough I owned the chess board I have no clue where it is now and I would bet most people have vanities items they purchased throughout the years that they have lost track of.
I've been playing WOW on and off for the past 3 years (you guys know you can suspend your account for chunks of time) and I'll probably keep playing on and off for a few years more, so the effective usable time I have the steed will be about the same if not more for the racket accesories.
@mrgjrPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
yes, that is exactly what I am saying, it is irresponsible spending. I am glad you engage in multiple hobbies, and I think it's great that you enjoy purchasing things for those hobbies. I suppose the bigger difference here is that you aren't paying rent on that racket you own, or a chessboard you buy, you have tangible ownership.
This isn't about "investing in a hobby" it's an issue where people do not understand the concept of ownership. You believe by spending the money you own this "Celestial Steed" while in fact you do not, you have no ownership over this or anything else on your account, you are renting that account and the space it takes on their server. While I can understand the reasoning to pay for the maintained servers and update content, it still serves that you don't have any ownership over you account.
I quote the Terms and Agreement you agree to in WoW, YOU the player are the licensee
- No Ownership Rights in Account. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF BLIZZARD.
- Ownership/Selling of the Account or Virtual Items. Blizzard does not recognize the transfer of WoW Accounts or Blizzard Accounts (each an "Account"). You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, and any such attempt shall be null and void. Blizzard owns, has licensed, or otherwise has rights to all of the content that appears in the Game. You agree that you have no right or title in or to any such content, including without limitation the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Game, or any other attributes associated with the Account or stored on the Service. Blizzard does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell in-game items or currency for "real" money, or exchange those items or currency for value outside of the Game.
*edit, I think they violated the bold statement lol
holy shit!Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by MangledMailMan
there are games that dont even see a profit that big from a full fledged release. blizzard sure knows what theyre doing and how to exploit thier customers who will buy any fancy looking thing.
but i shouldnt be one to judge those who buy it. im a sucker for foil mtg cards, so if i were a die hard WoW fan i would probably buy this too.
Irresponsible vs. Responsible spending???Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by mrgjr
Are you really saying that people who bought this mount engaged in irresponsible spending? Is that really the point you are trying to make?
WOW is a hobby for me, just like playing tennis is my hobby now and chess used to be when I was younger. I'm sure the majority of people on this site have more than one hobby. I've purchased vanity stuff for my rackets over the years that could only be used on that racket and when i needed to replace that racket you could say that money I spent was irresponsible by your definition. By my definition it enhanced my enjoyment of my hobby and I could afford it. When I was younger and in the Navy I played chess a lot. I purchased an expensive chess set that cost a lot more than $25 while I was overseas. I have no idea where that chess set is now, but when I had it, playing on that really nice chess set enhanced my enjoyment playing eventhough though the carboard playing base and plastic pieces would work fine. Eventhough the WOW community is large it's not larger than the worldwide communities of Chess and Tennis and there are some stupdily high priced items that can be purchased for either of those. Some people buy them some people don't. It hasn't wrekced the communities because there are low, medium, high-priced items availible for purchase. I don't understand how it's bad for Blizzard to offer items for sale that don't give a player and advantage in game. It's actually better that they offered this after they lowered the gold cost and time needed to get your first mounts. If this was availble a 18 months ago it may have crossed the line because of how much gold and time it took to get your first mount.
Also, you guys are acting like this is new. It's not. The purchase method is new. You have been able to purchase the TCG and collectors boxes that had in-game pets for many years. Both of those cost a lot more than $25 and thousands of people purchased both of those items strictly for the in-game pets. Last year if you purchased the Blizzcon Directv or Web feed you got a pet. Once again a lot people purchased those just for the pet.
Lastly this is a buisness for Blizzard. They will test the waters of how much people are willing to pay. Once they reach a point where people stop buying it they will lower the price. Some of the commenters here have people are stupid for buying the mount. If they can afford it and it enhances their enjoyment of their hobby how is that stupid? Everyone's goal is to enjoy their hobby. If purchasing a $25 vanity item enhances their enjoyment who is it harming? The nebulous "community"? Obvisouly this is something a portion of the community wanted or they wouldn't be selling so fast.
its a person's choice but i think it is dumbPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by SPARTAN0040
its a person's choice but i think its dumb....Yes i can see that WOW is a social site so this is like your online representation of yourself....in reality people are always keeping up with the Jones's....In WOW just because you may not have the time to waste to fight through a dungeon or a TON of quests to make yourself look cool with fancy Weapons and Armor i can see someone saying screw it i will just spend the $25....But $25 just gives you looks no substance....If the $25 was for building your own WOW Base or Fort or a WOW army that would be awesome.....but still paying that much for a perk....They should make it skill based from a Tourney
Awesome job BlizzPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by xBillehx
If any of you could make a virtual item and sell it to obsessive people playing a MMO while making millions in profit, you would do it in a heartbeat.
I think only those who would deny the above have the right to complain. Since you'd be denying millions of dollars, I doubt anyone would anyway.
Props to Blizzard for making more money on OPTIONAL virtual goods!
@DanzegoPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
you are probably right, and most people won't see it until after they leave the game. I suppose it is the difference between responsible vs. irresponsible spending, but for the most point people like Lizbeth do not understand the purpose of the issues, and still believe it's about money. What they don't understand is that they are damaging their own community by doing this, and opening the flood gates for more problems.
I am not saying its ZOMG 25 DOLLARS!?!?! I am pointing out that IF this had FAILED, chances are the price would have dropped and the future mounts would be put into the game another way that did not cost real money. By doing this, content that used to be vanity and farmable will go in for real money regardless of what it is. While I agree "rep grinds are boring" perhaps that would not be the implementation system. I feel some attachment to the WoW community formerly being a part of it.
edit: this equates to buying gold.
But my friend, you are correct, they do not understand, and it is growing increasingly harder to care if the community does come down around them.
$25 Seriously?Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Hostile_Paradox
I don't know whose worse, Blizzard for charging a ridiculous amount or the people that bought it.
And it doesn't add anything, its just a reskin essentially.
Better things to buy with $25:
A used game
A platinum hit game
Almost 2 months of WOW gameplay.
I think some people playing this game have a lost a little too much touch with reality...
What makes this a GOOD buy ?Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Flapsie
It is the fact that it can be used EVERYWHERE...
In the areas where you can only use a regular mount it is a regular mount, but when you ride into an area where you can fly, all you need to do is jump and take to the skies...
Nomore the need to change mount when you change locations...
And for the price ?
I don't think the price of a dinner on the town, or for us here in Norway 4 glasses of beer on the town is so much... Less than half a tank of fuel on your car...
I will feel cool, I will be able to use only one mount, and also I will be one mount closer to the achievement ;)
I <3 my new horsey.Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Lizbeth
I bought a celestial steed because it's pretty and because I can, and I love him.
I have a job and I work my butt off to pay my mortgage and car payment and credit cards. What I choose to spend my money on to make me happy is none of your or anyone else's business, tyvm. For all those "omg waste of money" people out there, I have only 2 things to say:
1. I don't complain when you spend all that cash at those silly "internet dating" *cough*porn*cough* websites. So stfu about my horse.
2. Deep down inside you know the reason you're so angsty about this horse is because you really want one but so many people are complaining about it that you don't want to be the guy who stands up and says "i kinda want one."
I'm off to go fly around icecrown yelling "DOWN SWIFTWIND" for a couple of hours while the rest of you sit here and whine. o/
The classic overpriced DLC argumentPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by danzego
....is exactly what this has turned into.
On one side, you have the people who state that it's the principle of the whole thing, being charged an exorbitant amount for what they're getting in return (either in general or compared to other, more moderately priced DLC).
On the other side of the debate are those who will say "if you can't afford X amount of dollars, you shouldn't be playing games" or my personal "favorite": "no one is forcing you to buy it" (which completely misses the point, but still, some people seem to think it's valid).
From here, the horns have been locked and the debate can go no further. Others will try, but eventually they'll figure it out.
In addition,Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by buckaroobanzai
Something I was thinking about after that post... No one seems to have a major problem with people who grind dailies to get, say, a netherdrake mount, or something similar. If I were to choose 25 dollars vs the hours upon hours of menial rep grinding, I think the time is the steeper price. That being said, I don't have any rep-grinding mounts either, so I guess really both are too steep a price for a mount to me.
@.@Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by buckaroobanzai
When I think of all the money I've spent on other hobbies, z.B. warhammer models collecting dust in my closet, replacing old High Elves with fancy new ones merely for the visual upgrade, 25 dollars for essentially the same thing doesn't seem that bad. I've considered spending more than that for a purely visual upgrade to my old Eldar Dreadnought, and though I physically own it, if I stop playing warhammer it's about as much use as a mount once I stop playing WoW. I didn't buy the mount myself, but I think it's pretty silly to flip over a 25 dollar mount considering the money people put into many similar overpriced hobbies.
You guys don't get it...Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
It's not even the fact that it's foolish to purchase this, it's the precedent you set within YOUR OWN community. Yes, you can buy it if you want to because you have the cash sitting around, thats fine. It's $25 dollars, not going to break the bank, we all understand that. The fact is that if this DID NOT sell well, then it probably would have been price dropped in 2 weeks, and the idea would have been dropped.
The fact is that this sends a message to the developers saying "it's ok, we'd rather buy it" and while that may be the case for some, eventually it will get pretty rediculous, and instead of cool mounts dropping or being farmable through reputation, you will just have to buy it. Basic economics tells you that the WoW community also sent the message that $25 was to inexpensive to charge for this mount, and the next one will probably be more, do NOT be surprised.
The final issue is ownership. Yes you should spend money on a hobby, completely agree with that, but you should also own that hobby. You only own this investment as long as you continue your subscription, and while I understand the need for subscription money and the amount you do get out of it, when/if you quit the game, that $25 investment is gone, don't get anything you can actually own. I suppose it would be different if they sent you somthing cool as well.
BoundPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by shigness17
I could almost see it if the in game mount prices hadn't dropped so much lately. The description says that it applies to all of your characters, so it would have actually been worth it back in the day just to have a decent mount for all of your dudes.
This is good for the rest of the WoW players...Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Benholio
Hey, as a casual WoW player, this is great news for me. This means others are paying more money for the game than I am, so they are subsidizing it for me. If Blizzard makes $10m off of a silly horse, that is less money they need to charge me for actual content. (Even if $9m of it goes into Bobby's pocket)
Cheaper than a 3D move with the kids or TCGPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by mrgjr
I don't understand why people are raging over this. It's an optional buy. It doesn't give you any in game benefit at all other than it's apperance and the fact that it's bound to your account so all your toons current and future have it. Have you guys taken your kids to a 3D movie lately? For me and the kids it's way more than $25 and that is just a bunch of pixels for a 2 hour movie. This is an OPTIONAL purchase. It's actually cheaper than buying the TCG for a pet and not different from purchasing the Blizzon Web Streaming just for a pet. Thousands of paid for those items each year just for the in game pet.
WTF BLIZZARD?!Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by D_Silvestre
I'm sorry but 25 a pop. this makes the modern warfare2 maps look cheap.Lol and the hourse doesn't increase anything in the character? well hey if you gotta get somewere i guess you have to be in style huh.
$25!?!Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by TheRealFearlessCelt
Does it come with free.............
wait for it..........
I thinkPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by kobyn
...that those who play WoW don't play other games.
I have a friend with PS3 and X360 who buys 2-3 games per weeks.
He playes with them for like a few days each, and that's it.
$15 (or less) per month to play Wow?
It's a ridicuolous price, come on!! This is why if $25 give you the opportunity to buy something extra, I say it sounds good to me.
$25 is nothing...Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Comatoes
...compared to the hundreds of dollars spent on the games and monthly subscriptions over 5+ years of the game being out.
Seriously, I quit around 2 or 3 years ago and sometimes, I get the itch to go back and I just look at a screenshot I took of my subscription history for two accounts I had going...
...spent over $500 on the subs/games over the span of two years.
Really now people...Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Crin
People spending money on their hobby?!?! What is this absolute madness!? They should be out spending it on booze and cigarettes or spending it building model planes or buying games for their 360. Or they could just spend it on what the want. After all, it's their money. If you can class this as a waste of money you can go ahead and class your entire life as a waste of money.
cant believe itPosted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by futurefighter48
that 80 000 people in four hours thought this was a good idea, this it the oblivion horse armor all over again. but you know what? in the end its the individuals choice and no one should be outraged by this because you dont have to buy it as it doesnt do anything special in game. Those who dont buy it arent losing anything.
got a job?Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by bloodsport
If you got a job this should not be an issue. Simply don't buy it if you need to pay the bills.
If you don't have a job, go get one and stop complaining.
If you are too young to get a shop then ask your guardian for an allowance. If can you are too young and there is no way of getting this then your are simply too young to have this privilege that comes with age.
BTW, i think blizzard is an ahole for charging $25 and we are all too eager to had them the cash.
Next special mount will be $50 or some other outrageous price that everyone is going to complain while others will be happy to spend that money.
We all make money and we spend that money on what ever make us happy - be it a digital art item such as a WoW mount, a really expensive car, or a nice candle light dinner with our significant other. Money is there to be saved and then used on what we deem fit for ourselves.
So stop bitching and buy it!
Not exploitation at all....Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by Zlyvex
You can make the arguement that anything is exploitation it is all opinion based and completely groundless. A business has the right to charge whatever they want for their services. If the price is too high for you don't buy it plain and simple. The consumer dictate what is too high and the consumer has spoken. It is not like Blizzard put people in a position like the movies do and prohibit you from bringing your own refreshments effectively forcing you to purchase items from their monopolized refreshment stands where you pay $8 for popcorn and a watered down cola. I don't like the prices at Disneyland and think it is too high for a family but I completely understand why they would charge as much as they do. As much as I disagree I have alternatives. Use your power as a consumer and stop the useless whining.
Sending a Message..Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
The problem is that when you do spend that kind of money, as do many others, you send a message to them saying "its ok" and while it is only $25, it's the implication that the money represents. They offer a lot of services, which is fine, the character gender switch, server xfer, faction changer! all things that allow customization as well as enchances socialization.
The problem this presents it that, instead of putting more "cool" mounts in the game, they will just sell them for additional revenues. If this would have sold TERRIBLY, I would venture it wouldn't happen again, and the next sweet thing would be a drop/faction grind/promotion, which is what it should be. It's not so much what you are paying, but the precedent you set. In the long run, that will be harmful to the WoW gaming community as a whole. This is more harmful to you, the subscribing customer, than anyone else. As a gaming community everyone has issues with different things, be it MMO's or console's or <insert somthing to disagree about>, but one thing we hold true is not being exploited or letting each other get exploited.
Alright.Posted: Apr 16, 2010 12:00AM PST by ShrubNinja
Alright, I wont argue that some people are a bit addicted. But many people here are making the generalization that everyone who bought this is. I consider myself financially stable, with a good(ish) job, a steady income, and a healthy variation of activities in my life. I happened to have money available, and when I saw this I liked it, and so I bought it. I have never been the most fiscally shrewd person ever, as I impulse buy a lot. But money is meant to be spent, and I've always been the kind of person who lives for the "now" so to speak. I have an emergency fund, so I'm not saying I don't ever worry about the future, but if this entertains me, then why not?
WoW is a social devicePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
I am not saying you are wrong to want to play WoW, and even to pay the fees to keep the servers running. The cost of the game is legit, content is updated a fair amount, and for the most part servers are pretty cleanly run. I played WoW for a long time before I shut down, so I speak from experience. My point is though that you are spending real money on somthing IN GAME, and when you quit that game you won't own it anymore..period. I see paying the $15/month to keep servers/content flowing, I dont see paying $25 for somthing that doesn't really exist, and won't be yours if/when you quit paying your subscription fee and quit, thats my point.
Edit: you own the tablet...you can hold it, see it, and no matter what, its yours. There have been real studies with WoW that can show the addictive behaviors of the game. I am not saying everyone who plays IS addicted, but it is a fact. We are welcome to do whatever we want for a hobby, but denying that this is exploitation, you won't do.
No I'm not going to your damn house.Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by ShrubNinja
So ASM, all those movies you've watched, that was an "INSANE" deal too? And your analogy is terrible. Of course paying for something I would have to travel to your house to use would be a stupid deal, but I do not have to travel anywhere to play this game, I can play it from my house. It is constantly being updated, it is constantly evolving. This is what we pay for. We pay for the servers, which allow us to have a community on the game, rather than a dull single person story. You can invent your own character, you can play how you want. This is what we pay for. Simply because you think it's a waste of time and money does not mean the rest of humanity shares your opinion. This is a hobby of mine, and before you say I am obsessed, get over yourself and realize that just about everyone who plays WoW does something else too. Since when can someone not have more than one hobby? I myself love art. I spent $300 on a drawing tablet, which I use daily. Is that a waste? Simply because I didn't "need" it? You are all very closed minded to think that Blizzard is some sort of tobacco company which sucks the life out of its customers. I chose to pay for this because I had cash lying around, and I thought it looked neat. People are not addicted to WoW because they think it's fun, as you all probably think. Sure, it is fun, but the real reason people hate leaving is because they don't want to lose contact with the friends they make on that game, their guild, their arena team, whatever it is. WoW is a social device more than anything else.
PS: That fifty dollars in cheesecake? Delicious. Saving some for tomorrow.
would love to see hard numbersPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Leliel
A guildmate said the queue was over 100,000 people when she got hers, and it took less than an hour to get through that many. I doubt people are lining up in droves for the annoying pet. I think Blizzard has been making *more* than $2m/hour, and probably has been all day since the store opening.
I also wonder how many people already regret their lolgalon ponies. Mount coolness is proportionate to rarity after all :)
$25 for......Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by itistoLAWL
I would spend $25 for Cancer research before I would spend it on this "steed". But, as much as I detest the route Blizzard is going down, I can't begrudge them because after all, it's not about the gamers anymore...it's about the investors. Things like this that are almost all pure profit will look rather nice when the investors get their dividend checks. Oh and BTW, those who say Blizzard spent $1.9M on R&D for this steed...LAWL! Puh-lease give me a friggin break. They threw on a new skin to a mount. Anyone who actually believes they did more than that...well, those are the fools that are parting with their $25 right now. ROFL! .
hahaPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by oOAnubisOo
supposedly the internet is opposed to high priced DLC like this and the MW2 stimulus package, but high profits like this will only encourage activision/blizzard to keep doing it :)
A Little PerspectivePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by buckaroobanzai
In context, the amount they made is a little more reasonable. They did, after all spend 1.9 Million on R&D for this horse, so they recouped cost and made a little on the top, no biggie.
I want those of you who...Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
Who bought this to think about this...you paid 25 dollars for a piece of code..somthing YOU DO NOT OWN...but yes you do? I hear...not really, because you can't physically hold it! Think about it..If I told you, I would sell you somthing, but you had to come to my house and pay $15/month to use it, but if you don't pay, you can't use it even though you bought it, would you still do it? I certainly wouldn't take a deal like that, its INSANE!
People want to congratulate Blizzard over this? they are a multibillion dollar corporation, if they want congratulations, they would be cutting costs and helping THE CONSUMER who is suffering to enjoy their games at a better price. This is a way of exploiting people who play the game, and it's wrong...it makes me angry to that point. Exploitation of people is a terrible thing to do, but here we are, I never thought I would see it in the game industry, and it makes me sad.
Edit: DMS, it's called responsible business ethics and responsible spending. Purchasing that violates both. I make money, but I spend it wisely instead of foolishly. Getting real value out of somthing as opposed to the illusion of value which comes very close to the experience substance abusers recieve.
ZomberPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by DMS
Hey Zomber, maybe you should be out looking for a job instead of crying over a game on the internet if you are so up in arms about the state of the economy. You act like your life depends on having the Celestial Steed. I suspect its more a case of you are just crying because Joe Blow has something you dont because you cant weasel $25 out of mommy for something she deems is worthless as well. HAhaha I just reread your post... now you are claiming I am a shill paid by Blizzard? Grow up. The world isnt the big conspiracy you think it is.
lolPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by DMS
LOL at exploitation... almost nothing in the world costs what it technically should. Only an fool would charge the true value of something and that fool wouldnt last long in business as a result. I dont see any of you crying about the cost of internet service. Its way over priced as well, but you still pay it. Posters are acting like Blizzard is stealing money out of people's wallets without their consent or knowledge. $25.00 isnt a big deal to most people with jobs. I am going to guess most of the people whining are out of work or or still living with mommy and daddy.
Why do people have a problem?Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Emphatic
What is it to everyone what another person spends their money on? People spend $25 on bottles of wine, drink it, and it's gone forever. People spend $15 on a two hour 3D movie and then its over. What's wrong with investing $25 into your favorite hobby which in this case for some people is WoW?
Don't you hate when people judge you for what you spend your money on? I hate when people see my PS3, 360, HDTV, and surround sound system, then act like I'm Hitler because I spend so much money on videogames. Don't be one of those people, let people do what it is that makes them happy.
Misinformed idiotsPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by DMS
Bunch of crybaby penniless idiots. The mount is for your entire account. Forever. All of your characters. You never have to purchase another mount again from the vendors after you get this if you dont feel like it. I spend $25 on a meal. I crap it out the next day and thats the end of that money, at least this way I have something for as long as I play WoW to show for it. No one is forcing you to buy this item. Go cry about how your next door neighbor has a better car/wife/house/job/etc. than you.
Blizzard is kind of evil.Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Zomber
On their official forums, Blizzard is notorious for silencing any bit of dissent around business decisions - they do not want public discussions of their profiteering. It is not an open forum for talk about Blizzard, it is a highly regulated space for people to be enthusiastic/passionate about the game, and they do not suffer questions about their business ethics... at all. Blizzard makes compelling games, but they run their community as a facist state. Which you have to pay to participate in.
Which is to say, it would not surprise me if some of the one-post people commenting on this story are PR reps trying to spin it in their favour. This is a well known tactic in the videogame world. People are paid to participate in relevant communities and try to shift public opinion.
But it's also likely that people are just mentally ill and want to give Blizzard money because Blizzard is God and they think it will get them to heaven.
But in their (again weak) defense, Blizzard also pumps out content for WoW pretty much around the clock. OH WAIT they also charge a subscription fee that pays for it.
Fact is WoW has plateaued - Lich King gave it a bump but subscriptions fell just as soon and have been relatively stagnant for years. I think people are just done with it, and Blizzard is squeezing as much as they can from the people who haven't moved on, before they do.
First of allPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by BananaJane
Horses don't have wings.
That's a steed, not a horse.
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DamnPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Epic Greenman
That just goes to show that if you get people addicted enough to something, you can get away with anything. These guys might as well be a tobacco company.
@all who say it's choicePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by DtNeotericDope
I agree with you on choice, but it's not choice when it's exploitation. They're taking adavantage of the fact that they know you guys will pay that price. And personally anyone who does pay that price is the cog that turns the machine that is corporate greed. That's not an attack, it's fact. You're overpaying for a remedial piece of DLC that could be cheaper. And from the loks of it Blizzard with WoW overcharges for a lot of their meaningless items. I thought Xbox Live was out their minds charging for an Avatar T-Shirt, but now that I see this. It's pathetic. Truly pathetic. How much money does Blizzard/Activision now make from WoW? And then they go and charge this amount of money for a horse.
anyone here ACTUALLY play wow?...Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by nomnom617
anyone that plays wow knows that this mount actually does give an advantage, as it is faster than about 99% of the other mounts in the game and that other 1% is extremely difficult to obtain. so,all those people who say that the thing is utterly useless, not entirely true.
probably still not worth 25$, but the author of the article claims it completely worthless when in fact, it isnt.
@Imenvs What is Strange to Me......Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Namath3030
Is that you and Shrubninja both have brand new accounts and one posted comment, both defending Blizzard. Now I love Blizzard games as much as the next guy, but this is freaking ridiculous. This is a rip-off no matter how you wanna try to spin it. There's no bullshit PR spin you can put on it to make it otherwise.
News @ 10pm WOW players have no $$$ to feed Kids...Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by SPARTAN0040
Next we will here the same people forking out the cost of Half a Video Game for DLC cannot feed their kids....
Choice dummiesPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Plightman
Look, I'm a Blizzard fan and a WoW fan. I play the game and gladly pay $15.00 a month for the service. This is optional downloaded content that neither increases your greatness or gives you an advantage in the game. It's a choice to whether you'd like to ride the horse inside the game. CHOICE! I hate gamers because they claim they've been wronged all the time. Geez, it's an option. If you want to pay for the downloaded content, buy it. If you don't, don't. Either way, just shut the hell up.
It has nothing to do with hating....Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by DtNeotericDope
Blizzard is taking adavantage of the consumer wih DLC that should cost pennies on the dollar. That is a lot of cash for nothing. Absolutely nothing. They know that all of you WoW players will pay for it. Just like Activision with the Call of Duty maps. Just wait till the day comes your paying double and triple that cost for maps and a virtual horse. Activision is doing you wrong. Plain and simple.
I guess Activision is "all about" the over-priced DLCPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Ravinoth
Instead of thanking the millions of devout customers that pay Activision's bills, they decide to "swindle" them out of $25 dollars just for a horse. What's with horses being synonymous with over-priced DLC anyway?
If I were a WoW player (I tried the trial a couple years ago, didn't like it; I prefer single-player RPG's), I could definitely see how being this mount would be pretty neat; but they should've charged $4.99 TOPS for it. When a single DLC item in the game costs more than the monthly subscription fee, I think there's a problem.
The dirtiest thing about it, is that people are eating it up, and paying so much for the DLC. "It's only $25 bucks." Is that what the customers are saying? Do they think the mount is worth $25? Or would they have paid $49.99 for it?
Just the sound of me hurlingPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by iSynic
Blizzard makes me want to vomit.
After years of investigating, suspending, and in some cases banning accounts for using real money to purchase in-game items, Blizzard goes and says it's okay, as long as they're the ones making money from it. You don't go and blame your principles for the bans if you're going to take part in the activity yourself. Hypocrisy.
You know, at least some of the farmers you were purchasing from actually put some effort into obtaining the items they were selling. Blizzard just pays an artist peanuts to make a new flying horse and makes millions selling it to their dopamine addicted WoW players.
I have never been so happy to have ended my subscription.
Why all the anger towards Blizzard dont get it.............Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Zlyvex
Yeah, I know, paying $25 for a virtual horse is dumb to most people but you guys fail to realize some people think it is also dumb to pay $55 for a copy of.....lets say Halo 3 because some people believe the game is a FPS for kids. You also have some that believe paying $15 a month for ANY MMO is dumb. Value is based on each individuals own idea of what an item is worth. Be honest with yourself if you owned Blizzard and you could charge the same for a virtual horse and you had employees to pay wouldn't you do the same thing? If you wouldn't your crazy. I say good job Blizzard for finding a way to earn money in such a horrible economy. This money will help keep valuable talent or hire more talent. Blizzard should be given a thumbs up not attacked.
25 dollars for a horsePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Falconv1.0
and people gave them 2 billion dollars in 4 hours for this amazingly not that great horse.
I love people. And by love I mean want to slap.
@lmenvsPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by danzego
Look at all the other WiiWare, XBLA, PSN, and indie PC games out there and what they cost. Consider the typical cost of an expansion pack for a game and the amount of content available in that. Check out typical DLC- silly things like some armor or skins or weapons, new vehicles, maps, etc. and how much those sorts of things cost.
Are you done? Now look at what you're getting for $25 here. A HORSE. As in ONE HORSE. Compared to the typical cost for other types of DLC (again, from small items to map packs on up to full expansions), charging $25 for ONE HORSE is ridiculous. So is every single person who actually pulled out their credit card and paid the $25 for it.
Sure, there are people who pay way too much for other things like Nike branded shirts or whatever, but that doesn't make this a sensible purchase nor is it a reasonable price (especially when compared to comparable DLC). This is Blizzard being "courteous"? Riiiiight. XD
Bad OmenPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Alturis
This is only going to encourage more stuff like this. 25 bucks is outrageous for something like a single game asset. There are entire games you can purchase for less than that. Its more than the cost of using all the other features of the game for a month. Using this mount will only show that you are willing to fork over cash to alter your character. Its pretty much just as bad as selling gold for cash. Hell why dont they just do that and put all the gold spammers out of business.
It MAY be that they are testing the waters for a different business model for their next MMO. But I would say that a micro transaction model for a game already extremely popular is quite a different story than marking a new game with micro transactions as your plan.
Either way this thing isnt even a micro transaction. Maybe they are inventing a new macro transaction strategy and will then patent the terminology.
It's called Exploitation...Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by ActivisionStoleMy360
Whether you see it or not, this is exploitation. I am no "Hater" but I see wasteful spending and taking full advantage of customers who are hopelessly addicted to the game. $25 dollars is enough to purchase a realatively decent GAME..yes WHOLE GAME even from gamestop, yet it's sad to see this.
They could probably sell "poo-on-a-stick" and make a fortune.
What is strange to mePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by lmenvs
is that a lot of people's reactions to this whole ordeal. Blizzard is simply using marketing strategies for one because a) they've got a great franchise right now and b) because of this they could make anything from DLC and people would line up to buy it. I'm seeing a lot of comments saying this is an idiot's move from the getgo because people are blowing money on something that is merely pixels. When you look at it from a different perspective though, it doesn't seem that much different from someone who splurges money on other useless things. Someone who collects coins or stamps or rocks for that matter may spend that much or more on what they're interested in collecting. Even T-shirts with rude sayings or your favorite whatever isn't something that could be deemed necessary to be purchased. Sure, you can wear it. But when you're spending $20 on something that is worth maybe $10 simply because it has a certain logo or whatever on it, you've got to think to yourself, "Is this really worth it?" But, you don't. Because you like it. That's the same case for the people who want this DLC.
Blizzard is actually being courteous to their customers by giving their DLC unique properties and such so the people who buy it know that their getting their money's worth. If anything, the customers are paying for the art. Plenty of artists go out and charge insane amounts of money for their work, and honestly these items did not design themselves. An argument against that might be something like, "well, this is just something that they worked on once and then it was mass produced." My friend, take a look at sites like deviantART. The way artists market themselves there is through prints, and even that T-shirt mentioned aboved is a form of mass-produced printing.
Sure, it may be stupid to you on the person's part for buying something useless for a perhaps overpriced amount. But not everyone is so innocent when it comes to splurging on useless stuff, so maybe you should direct the blame on everyone and not just the WoW players.
For all da haterzPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by ShrubNinja
Seriously guys? If someone wants to buy this, then why not? Like me, I've got a good bit of money in the bank, not being spent on anything, and twenty five bucks isn't that much. The value of an item is determined by how much people are willing to pay for it, and since so many people have bought this, I'm guessing it's worth twenty five dollars. If you have a job, and aren't living paycheck to paycheck, then go for it. Not everyone lives off of saving the lunch money their mother gives them for their grade school lunches.
So what would you spend that twenty five dollars on instead? Junk foods? A new game that would last about a week? Oh wait I know, all you twelve year olds complaining about this because your parents wont pay for this need new Yu Gi Oh cards.
And Danzego, think of it this way, how much does the average new game for the 360 or ps3 cost? about 50 or 60 dollars? Now how long does it take you to beat that game? Yeah, unless you played that game for more than four months, you're better off money wise playing WoW. If it entertains you, then who can say it's a waste of money?
And my queue for the horse is done. I have been thoroughly entertained. Good day, sirs.
PS: I will totally be blowing like fifty dollars on cheesecake later tonight, if you guys wanna try and rage about that.
WTF!!!!!! 25$ sounds like a good deal for a unicornPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by HebrewRebel
DLC is out of control. We need to unify and not buy BS that says to developers that you can put out anything and we will buy it F*** that.
Stimulus Package is another good example 5$ a new map with 2 old maps. thanks
Y'all want a single?Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by SDMF_TrueBlue
Say fuck that. $25 for some useless-ass in-game horse? The hell is wrong with WoW players?
Get realPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by matanaka
At all the people calling WoW and other MMO players names and calling them out on their inteligence, I hope none of you brought the MW2 map pack. Both are utter scams to get people to pay over the odds for next to no work on the devs part, and before anyone says IW did put effort into making the map pack dont make me laugh. I could have knocked up that map pack in a week, and there is 100s of staff at iw, if they wanted to they could do it in a day.
At the end of the day consumer demand is pushing up the price of DLC and there is nothing the normal gamer can do about it, untill the mindless sheep realise its not just a plesant ride in the back of a big branded truck, its a ride to a big branded slaughter house.
You can get...Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by PretzelPopper
really really really really good game, ENTIRE GAMES, for less money than that.
That is absolutely hilarious that there are people out there pathetic enough to buy that thing.
just wowPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by aldrenar47
You've got to be kidding me.
I was banned from WoW forums for making this exact post.Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Shai_Hulude
"Celestial Steed costs way too much and Blizz knows it. They don't care though as long as you are a slave to your OCD, they'll gladly take your money for a item that probably took less than 30 minutes to "make"......must have been some intense labor going into that thing.
I want it and everyone else wants it, but what justifies the price?
Also, all you clueless business / economic "professionals" that don't have any connection to an environment or education granting such knowledge shouldn't bother speaking up."
Banned after that for spamming/trolling. Anyway, it's become clear how much Blizzard thinks a useful item is worth. Companion pets go for $10 and do nothing. If it has a mechanic attached to it, clearly they should get more money, right?
$25!?Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Ellezzdee
oh my god that is horrible. i play WoW a bit but i would never pay for something like that. i was thinking at first it was just a few bucks and that was still a rip off imo but $25!? thats more then what i spend on the entire battle chest package in the first place.
Gotta admit it is a cool looking horsePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by GunnyMcSword
Those constellation marks are a nice touch, but for 25 bucks no f-ckin way.
This is why i'll never play an MMOPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by ninjamunkey01
Id hate to be one of those people who play those games all day, and spent such a large amount of money on some horse...
The SupportPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by HeavensValcrist
from the WoW community just blows my mind but if your a fan your a fan. I did the same for halo 3 and all it's DLC when it was released. To each their own really!
amazing...Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Ace92
This is unbelievable....$2million in 4 hours... come on!!! That's more money than most actual games make on release!! Blizzard must be laughing their way to the bank, they've once again managed to swindle money from their rich dickless little customers. and good on Blizzard, the WOW lot need a slap in the face. The morons don't understand the value of money, well...you get what you pay for, and I hope they're happy riding round on their silly transparent horse...
WOW's receptionPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by WhYxGOvPRo
and what people do to support this game is staggering
its not jokePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by xWhackoJacko
that 80,000 downloads of this horse are the actual 80,000 pet loving chicks who play WoW. They love that shit. Any other person who wanted a crazy cool mount would still be grinding TK for their Ashes of Alar or doing hard modes for actual cool mounts, Ie. Frostwyrms.
I'm not being sexist, I'm just saying. From my experience, as a guild leader, and end gamer raider from vanilla; the only people who like overly sparkly stuff like this are the chicks. Still, goddamn...2 million bones. What I would do with 80,000 celestial horses to sell....oh man...
Ya seePosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Gconnection
this is the kind of crap that has Activision smelling themselves. They thought they could bully the guys at IW around because.. well, they're Activision.
FYIPosted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by Warlock82
The download queue is for everything. They also released a new pet today ($10), so not every single one of those 80,000 in queue will be buying the horse. On the other hand, a large majority of them are probably buying both the horse AND pet, making that a $35 purchase.
There may be other people buying other random stuff in the store that skews the whole thing as well, who knows.
@red_11Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by frankcifaldi
Fancy Horse is no laughing matter, there is no joke here.
Is this a joke?Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by red_11
April 1st was 14 days ago, guys...
The sad thing is, this story is completely believeable! I mean, had I not canceled my account, I'd probably drop $25 for one of these. Is that sick? Either way, good for Blizzard (if this is true). Every crazy WoW player that buys this is donating $25 towards making Diablo 3 a better (more punctual) game.
Edit: Note the last sentence, guys...this story isn't true. Shame on 1up for making jokes this late in the season...
Edit 2: Ok, so it's true...but what a weird way to end a news story...
25 BUCKS???Posted: Apr 15, 2010 12:00AM PST by danzego
For a silly downloadable horse? Man, the shit some people will waste their money on. That's nearly two months of service or half the cost of an entire expansion pack. Then again, this is WoW people we're talking about. Look at what they're already wasting their money on. ;)


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I purchased this 99 VW Cabrio used some many years ago.I wanted a convertible and My Grand mother swore by VW.Lest we forget, she bought her VW's when Volkswagon was still Volkswagon.So, as my Cabrio ages, I would be in for some of todays technology short falls or upgrades that the car could/should have done without and be better for it .I prefer it's look to todays cars, it has a great ride and handles well.And where do they come up with no power in the reviews.Mine goes like a bat out of, err a hot oven.It is pleasing to drive, fantastic when the top is down and the mid support has a good look.I drive this car anywhere I care to go with a big smile on my face.
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VW I think joined with 2 others in the late 70's .
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I love the cabrio, however my suggestion is to review the performance of the car in the rain. I live in PA. where we get cold winters & average rainfall... but the car performance in the rain vs. dry conditions is night & day.
I bought the 99 cabrio in 2000 for around $20,000. I have replaced brakes, tires, muffler, window washer blades. It now has 66,000 miles and I am trading it in for a newer car. The automatic roof broke, but I didn't have it repaired. It's easy to do manually. I loved the car. I didn't have any of those problems mentioned in other posts.
I purchased my carbrio in the dead of winter 1999 & have driven it year round since with basic maintenance and care. Would like bigger better placed cup holders but love absolutely everything about my car so much I am finding it hard to find a suitable replacement for the future. I am nearing 100,000 miles & have required no major repair.
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Green Recovery video is up
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I thought it was a very good event. If you haven't heard Tom Friedman, Governor Ed Rendell, or Carol Browner speak before, I highly recommend it.
Here is the Center for American Progress's "A Strategy for Green Recovery." The jobs analysis is here.
2 Responses to Green Recovery video is up
Thoughts on Rendell's (geographically understandable) zeal for coal? Good panel- I caught most of it live, but lost the feed towards the end of Friedman's spot.