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We recently had three guests in our vacation rental and are anticipating a lousy review. First let me say we have been very fortunate with the caliber of guests we have had to date. All, save one 4 star rating, of our 32 reviews have been 5 out of 5 stars. With that said, here is our story.
Upon being told that the gentleman joining the two women here was 87 years old my husband made sure to relay that the rental has a spiral staircase which leads to the entrance. We were assured it would be no problem. More on this later.
They arrived here with no food due to having no time to shop. We offer bottles of wine for sale and they agreed to the $14.00 price as well as asking for a carton of our milk they could have for coffee in the morning. Later they requested we drive them to the nearest restaurant which is only a 5 minute walk. The only transportation we include is pickup and drop off at the pier upon arrival on our small island. We said we would do it this time. They then asked if I could pick them up when finished. I hesitated but then said yes if they could call around 8:30 as we retire around 9pm. They called at 9:45 and I waited for another 10 minutes as they merrily made their way down the steps. The following morning they wanted to go into the city for food shopping and requested we drive the 87 year old to breakfast and back as he did not wish to walk. We figured this would be it so, again, acquiesced. Neither time did they offer a small payment or tip.
The next request was to allow them admittance into our home for all of their comings and goings as he did not like going down the spiral stairs. Our home is located next door separated by locked and bolted double doors. I said I was sorry but this is our private home and we do not allow guests access. She did not look pleased.
The day prior to their departure I totaled up the bill ($19.00) which included a slice of homemade key lime pie and gave it to them. I was paid the price with a slight 5% tip included. Upon their leaving there was no thank you so much for all of your help, only an over the shoulder as she was leaving "thanks" from the woman who requested access to our home.
She just sent an email which is inquiring as to the return of the "refundable" dog deposit, which we are returning, as well as the return of the 5% tip. I am in shock. My main concern is the probable poor review. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I don't necessarily think this shows they are going to write a bad review. I know I have tons of renters who I was sure were going to write a bad review but none either came through or a good one came through. It is not uncommon for guests to act this way. Just read the forum and you will see that many guests don't say thank you for many many things that us owners do for them.
I seriously wouldn't worry about it...especially with the amount of 5 stars you have. Even if they do leave a review, you have an opportunity to tell your side of your story...which is my opinion would make the guests looks like idiots for posting a bad review.
32 positive reviews....that's amazing!
Yes, you are right. It does not necessarily mean a review at all.
Just a gut feeling I suppose. They are the first we will not be
soliciting a review from, that is for sure. If only one could be as
honest with the "idiot" guests after the fact. But as owners we must
take the high road. Thank you for the input. It is appreciated.
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What's the damage that a bad review will bring? $10? $50? $500?
I'd post it under "marketing" and include the extra 5% in their refunded deposit. Grit your teeth while typing in the payment - at least they won't have to see that you're not smiling while you do it.
Funny this should come up this afternoon. This week's renter at our Lodge house believes he saw W/D in the amenities listing. He'll here all week with 2 small kids. It doesn't matter that I know that I didn't tick the W/D box in HomeAway - he believes he saw it, and perception is reality. The renter made it very clear that he had expected there to be a W/D in the house, and hoped we could help him out with a solution.
Additionally, earlier this week he called me at 1:30 because a circuit breaker blew. 1:30 AM. Thankfully, we're only 1/4 mile from the Lodge house, so after slipping something on over my jammies I went over and reset it (it's in the basement which is off-limits to guests).
Back to the W/D - While there IS a laundromat within about 10 minutes, I made him the offer of using our personal washer dryer - and he took me up on it. I picked up a couple pillowcases of jeans and t-shirts this afternoon, and brought them back home. And so here I sit typing this post, listening to the dryer finish the second load. I'll finish folding them and return them later this evening. Does that suck or what?
No, at least not for me. While I certainly wouldn't THINK of doing this on a regular basis, there are times to bend the rules. I hope I've turned what was probably going to be a bad review based on the circuit breaker and the W/D issue into a good review. And if my time is worth $50 an hour, then I just "bought" a good review for under $100. Not a bad way to spend my marketing dollars.
Even though I am aghast at the 1:30am call and that you are actually
waiting to fold his clothes I am smiling. Not at your cost, mind you,
but that there are others out there who are dealing with the same bit
of "insanity". Thank you so very much for your reply (marketing
insight) and reminding me I am certainly not alone. Perhaps no fabric
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Nah - I could never do that. His two little kids are real cuties.
Besides, after meeting him, I believe the renter's "brashness" is truly driven simply by the desire to make his wife and children happy. Sometimes it's hard to keep in mind that we all screw up from time to time, whether it's not recognizing that this particular house doesn't have W/D checked, or not realizing util it's too late that "Holy moley - I just realized it's 1AM and I called the owner!"
I look back on all the stupid things I've done and regretted 5 minutes later, and realize I've received amazing amounts of grace in my life. I need to dole it out in equal measure.
I really like your reply, swiss-house. I, too, feel that I've received "...amazing amounts of grace in my life"....and I too remember to pay it forward...so I love that you wrote that. My own "amazing grace paid to me" helps me to stay balanced and grounded....gives me confidence...and gives me the strength and the will to "be the professional with the rare and odd graceless guest.....to turn the situation into a positive." I've been in situations, as other Owners, with totally "graceless" people in my home...people I've done so much for to help make their holidays here not only work...but help to make them great holidays...and in at least one situation I know I saved someone's holiday! Did I get any appreciation from them? No. A thank you? No. A nice or even a neutral review? No. Their gracelessness {is that a real word?} during the stay if we interacted...and at the check out....and after they've returned home... always leaves me feeling "insecure" and sometimes even a bit anxious over whether there would be a stupid review, in the end that I'd have to deal with. I have never been confronted face to face with an unhappy guest...but the "graceless" types leave me "wondering" how they feel. A non response is unnerving, for me, sometimes. I'd rather people tell me if something isn't as I promised it would be...give me a chance to "help you"...rather than stew in silence...go home to hit the Internet to moan about something nit picky.
Back to JMarie: Unless you have reason to believe that those folks were unhappy with the quality of the accommodations...the services you went above and beyond to provide...they most likely will not be leaving a bad review....they just seem the "graceless" type...and won't give you any consideration...they probably will not take the path of "gracious" to leave you with any sense of positive review at all....or even bother writing a neutral or bad review. I think that the "graceless" are too self absorbed to care even that much. And, that's the best, under the circumstances. You deserve a Platimum Medal for being the "gracious" host!
Isn't is amazing the things we do to make renters happy. And even more amazing the attitude that many guests give us after going above and beyond! I wonder if your laundry guy will even thank you for staying up half the night doing his laundry!
jmarie, I know the difficulty of waiting around for a bad review to appear, if it's going to. Fortunately the dread didn't end in a bad review, so far. Our bad customer was with us over Christmas, and reading through discussions here, she matched some sort of profile I saw mentioned a few times: very upper middle class couple, seemed ideal, no warning signs whatsoever until after check-in. Then odd complaints started, then outright fabrications. The threat of a bad review if we didn't return part of the amount paid. We refused and offered to refer the matter to our attorney, and never heard from her again. The game with the particular type of bad customer we got saddled with appears to be threats with a goal of getting some money back.
Since your customer didn't threaten a bad review, I'd just chalk it up as terrible customer and move on. Obviously to avoid trouble as swiss-house says I'd pay the tip back and be glad they're gone. (I would also - and this is me - be fawningly gracious about how you enjoyed their stay and hope they'd come see you again. It's a bit of social engineering that takes the wind out of any sails of desire to pen a bad review.)
Now, your listing should mention the spiral staircase. It should also make at least a minor mention of not being handicap accessible, at least in the list of amenities. I'd spin the spiral staircase positively; something like "elegant spiral staircase takes you to and from your front door;" whatever is appropriate for your property.
It is just so "unsettling" I suppose to have such negative types
radiating this energy nearby. Granted, there are many in this world
who lean toward these tendencies. However, upon reading your, Anja's
and a number of other folks comments and experiences it appears I
should just relax and take solace in the fact I have had countless
guests who were kindhearted, gracious and a joy to have around. Those
who left the house spotless and gave me a hug saying this was the best
part of their vacation. Those who wrote such lovely things after their
departure. These, to quote someone earlier in this discussion, are
the "graces" in our encounters with travelers. And, may I say, it has
made me feel so much better receiving all of your feedback which
allowed me to take a step back and realize we have shared similar
experiences. Thank you all.
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I have been adding this to our quote and contract but I quite honestly do not know if it is legal or not to do so. They certainly have the right to opt out.
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Out of 15 responses I have had only one that signed this and then they got their money back.
I too wonder about the legality of this but more than that.....you are paying $100 for a review! I'm quite surprised and as a renter would probably be a bit offended at this offer. That is probably why you only have 1 person that has taken you up on it. I would re-think this as it may come back to earn you a negative review from someone.
I would like to share a little story about bad reviews, good ways of handling them, and positive outcomes that don't cost anything in the end. We had a guest who was unhappy for a number of reasons and he wrote our first negative review (out of 180 excellent reviews!!!). In turn, I responded to the review hyper-objectively assuring both the guest (and anyone who might read the review) that all the problems had been remedied. In the end, the guest retracted the review and is excited to come back for 2 night stay.
Here is the full correspondence between me and unhappy guest...
Definitely one of the great feelings is the feeling of being appreciated for all your efforts. In this business, you will find many that feel entitled to more and take advantage of your good intentions. You are right when you say take the high road, kill them with kindness! One thing I will point out that you did that certainly would not help your cause was giving back the 5% tip. That surely will only irk the renter and cause mediocre feelings to turn worse.
I once did that when I was a waiter in college. Table of 4 guys and I gave them superb services, was always there waiting to get them the next beer or whatever. They left me $1. One of the guys stayed at the bar and I gave the $1 to him sayng I didn't need it that bad. It was just me acting out at my frustration that they took advantage of my hard work without appreciating me. It backfired, he told the manager what I did and the manager was furious with me. Gained me nothing and I was out the $1!
So, stick to the high road and stay up there!
Rick -
From the way I read the OP's entry, the guest was actually asking for their 5% tip back - the owner wasn't simply returning it out of spite. If the renter did ask for their tip back, to not do so or to ignore the question would not be in the owner's best interests.
Yes, that's the way I also understood it....the "guest" asked for their "tip" to be returned. Stunning.
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it the laughing does not come easy. Again, in reading other folks
experiences there is some comfort and feeling of community. And, the
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this forum in the 5 years we have been in this business and am very
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"skiandgle" {Rick}....you said it well...I agree ...and I think we'd all agree with you: "... one of the great feelings is the feeling of being appreciated for all your efforts." Personally, I also agree it's best to always take the "high road"....I always have done so...and I always benefited. I get as frustrated {and cheesed off} like the best of us....but I always take a "breath" before I have to send a response that I am not happy to write...and I always weigh every word I speak over the phone and face to face with all guests on site...but I've never had to deal {yet...touch wood} with what "jmarie" has had to. I feel for "jmarie" because, in her words:
"It is just so "unsettling" I suppose to have such negative types radiating this energy nearby." But...we have to "divorce" ourselves from their negative energy...and "kill them with kindness" as already stated. I think "jmarie" handled it as best she knew how under those uncomfortable circumstances with those "ungrateful" people. The "negative types" are very emotionally draining...prior, during, and after the stay. Some people are inherently negative...they just are. I had a guest a year ago who was just not able to say "anything" positive...about "anything"....it began in the initial emails...{no review...I was thankful ! Her "negative energy" was a "negative presense" on our property. I was "relieved" when "no review" resulted. She's the type that could manage to include some odd "off" remark in any comment....and I have no idea if she liked my place because she wasn't able to utter a syllable of "niceness" during the entire stay - void- but I could only assume that she did like it because she did not complain or bother to write a review.} She was quite daunting. Some people will never be satisified...and if they were...they'd never tell you! They'd just say, nothing...because they lack etiquette. Some people do not have a personal vocabulary that includes: "please" and "thank you". ...they are "takers". We, Owners, as you've nicely stated, would like to feel "appreciated". For the second time in a couple of months, I'm dealing with a couple right now who sends email after email with questions to help them...and I am always fine with being helpful... but neither the wife nor the husband ever corresponds by using a "greeting"...or ...a "saluation"...they never include "please" ...or...close with a "thank you"...and they type everything in lower case with no punctuation! They simply have no time for "nice". In their written tone...they are seriously void of any "graciousness"....and I'm trying my best "NOT" to feel regret that I booked this couple...a nice booking in April for 18 nights. I'm working on myself to "let my feelings go" about these two...I will welcome them with the "aloha" I do everyone...and they will have the "lifestyle" that I offer to everyone, equally. {I"m hoping we both have a good rental experience.} I will deal with them as the "pro" that I am. So, this is the experience of dealing with the "ungracious" guest. And, mine haven't arrived yet...so I really feel for "jmarie"....she jumped through all the hoops to "help" her guests...and now she feels the "unsettled" emptiness of having hosted the "ungracious" people. It's part of this "trade". Thankfully, the majority of my guests are "wonderful"....they cancel out "ungracioius" ones.
The renter "requested" via email that this 5% tip be refunded to them.
Given it was only $1 I figured it really was not worth it to argue
that tips are not refundable. Given everything we had to deal with
this pettiness was the least of my worries.
Even though we take a security deposit and have a cancellation policy stating that the amount paid will only be refunded if we are able to rebook - we no longer hold any amount of the security deposit for damage and always refund money regardless of the cancellation policy. In other words, I am saying that we give them anything they want. Given the nature and frequency of bad reviews and the games people play, I am simply not willing to take the chance. There are some not-so-nice people in this world. If we do refund money, they will never be allowed back - this is punishment enough. I want to sleep at night and feel that I can try to discourage bad behavior with our policies, but I can no longer enforce those polices. It is simply not worth the chance of a bad review which we have never received. We think we are being pro-active, but it allows us to sleep at night.
But I do have a question for jmarie - do you have a chauffeur's license? Here in California, there is no way that we could shuttle people around without a permit and/or license to do so. Just curious...
Well, as many of you already know, I had the vacationers from hell back in January, where the police were called not once, but twice. After the first call, I got many calls from neighbors. I then called the vacationer and told her that if there were another incident that she would have to leave immediately as I could not have my neigborhood disturbed in this manner.
You guessed it...next day....their auto rolled down the driveway ejecting everything in the automobile over about a block of the neighbor. Not one, but two police cars showed up.
I called and told them to leave immediately. The police officer did a walk through the house to make sure that they had not done any damage.
Not only did I NOT refund their deposit, I didn't not refund the balance of their visit. I was expecting a bad review......Nothing! PHEW!
However, after reading the posts here about all the extras that you Owners do....for the first time...I am grateful that I live in Wyoming and my vacation home is in Missouri. HA!!
My lawyer reviews my contract and we have it all spelled out, including the spiral staircase, non-handicapped access, how to park to avoid tickets from the city, the steps to the sunken living room. As I think of it, it goes in the contract for the next renters. Yes a lot to read but better foretold. You can always go back and point it out in the cotract. I wouldn't be afraid of a bad review from someone you had to kick out. I usually really read into the bad reviews when I go to a hotel. One or two against 100 doesn't sway me.
To each their own. When selecting a vacation home, I hate reviews and don't read reviews since I truly believe most of them are bogus - just my take. I go totally on the photos. I am a visually oriented person, don't really read or like loooong descriptions. I do look at the amenities (like WIFI), but that is usually it.
As for my own vacation home, even though I take a security deposit and have a well thought out rental agreement, I refund 100% even when there is damage or the renter has not abided by the rental agreement. I don't sleep at night when there is a possibility of a bad review, so I will not take the chance. The bad renter just goes on my DO NOT RENT TO list and that is punishment enough. I do not solicit reviews even when I know the renter has thoroughly enjoyed his/her stay. So I don't have good reviews to counter bad reviews. Most of our guests won't do reviews as they want to keep our place a secret and refuse to tell others about so they will be able to get reservation again and again.
Like I said...to each their own...
I respect your opinion and as you stated, to each their own, but I must caution readers that relying on photos is probably the worst thing you can do when choosing a property. It's sort of like online dating, the truth can be very different than the pictures. Pictures can be 5-10 years old and with the house in it's best shape ever. i.e no stains on the carpets, paint not peeling, couches not ripped etc. Reviews on the other hand are dated and offer relevancy. If there is a good review, than you can trust that they really had a good time because people will not waste their time to write a fake review.
I guess it has to do with one's own personal experiences. I relied on reviews several years ago and was shocked that the house(s) did not live up to the rave reviews. Were they bogus? - I will never know for sure. But what is great for some is not so good for others. And I guess I have higher expectations than most - probably because of being in the architecture profession. If photos are really good and even professionally taken with no cars in the driveway and care is taken to make the house look as good as possible, then I feel that the owners care. If the photos are snapshots and wires show, beds are not is a "display" mode, then I move on to another listing. It is the care that someone shows through their photos that matters to me. I rarely will book through a management company as I like speaking to the owner and that also tells me a lot. You can tell when someone really cares about renting their place and if they take pride in their place. They also need to respond quickly and act interested in booking to me. If not, I move on to the next rental. That said, I will not even consider 90% of what is on the market because of the photos.
To each their own...
I look at the photos first to see if the property fits me and my family. Then I go to the reviews to see what has been said about the property. I think personally that the reviews are the key to making me feel confident that I am renting from a reputable person, and that the photos are probably accurate. I don't need them to be fancy.....just accurate.
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I might also say that I have never been 100% satisfied with a rental. There is always something wrong for which I should write a not-so glowing review. But I will not do it - I will not write a review - good or bad. For instance a claim that there is WIFI and there is not. Or that the fireplace works and it does not. Or that there are 2 bathrooms, but none located near the master bedroom. Or there are rips in the sofa. Or that there is a dead rodent smell. Yet, for all of these homes there was nothing but 5-star rave reviews. Thus, I figure reviews are for the most part bogus and I simply will not play the review game.
Enough said...
Oh my, I think that you must have staying in some fairly bad places. I have never had that problem when staying in other homes and I don't believe that anyone has had even a remote issue like that in my home in Missouri.
Yes, and all those rentals had 5-star rave reviews. I think you get my point - it is all based on experience. The worst was a place where the fireplace caused so much smoke smell left by the previous guest, that we had to go out and buy gallons of vinegar to place in bowls to minimize the smell. Not only that but we had to climb over the entrance and wall to get in. Again...5-star rave reviews and lots of them. And this place was $350/night! Go figure...
OOPS...I just checked and the rental noted above now goes for $999/night and has MANY 5-star reviews - and not even a 4-star review.
Well, I think even if you don't do a "bad" or "questionable" review, you should at least complain to the owner. I would certainly want to know if my guests got treated as badly as you.
My cleaning lady told me that my arbor was tipped over after the last folks checked out, BUT...she said that there were some tornado strength winds. So she and her hubby put it back up....no harm, no foul. I just wondered if the folks that stayed there had issue with that being down. They never said and this is their 3rd year there and have asked to stay again next year for two weeks for the same time period.
I think that we should "tell" of any issues so that the owner is at least aware. I am thankful that I have not had any bad surprises at any VRBO that I have stayed at thus far.
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I just edited the last post to say that the one place with the smoke smell is now renting for $999/night - yikes!
In any case, we have been renting vacation homes for years and not a single one has lived up to the rave reviews, at least when I used to read reviews. Now I only go by the photos and they have to be top-notch - no snapshots - no cars or people in the photos - more like photos you would expect to find in magazines. And the owner must be friendly and needs to respond quickly. Maybe I have different expectations, but some things are just unacceptable.
I agree with you, and as I stated already....when there are good reviews that specifically state that the pictures are accurate....makes me feel better.
I certainly rely on my guests to give a review to make others feel more welcome and confident when renting.
Interesting what you say that about photos being accurate. We always get comments when guests arrive atop our mountain that the photos do not do our place justice. Our place is so much better than the photos and we have photos way better than our competition. I am a photographer and have been published before, yet I still am unable to capture the essence of our vacation home. I also used to stage photo shoots for our architectural work, so I know how to stage photos. And yet, the photos are not good enough. The inside is right on, but the 100-mile views are hard to capture. Next we will hire an aerial photographer and see if he/she can capture the essence of the place.
Bobbie, it sounds like you have a wonderful place and stay in very elaborate homes. I envy you...(in a good way). The majority of us, I imagine just stay in ordinary homes. You can see my ordinary home near Springfield/Branson below....If I get something like this when traveling I am more than excited.
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WEST FARGO - On this particular day – an unseasonably sunny and warm autumn afternoon – the small family huddles around the kitchen table, decorating sugar cookies shaped like pumpkins, witches and ghosts.
All the accoutrements necessary for Martha Stewart-worthy cookies are in place, including orange, white and green glossy icings and bone-shaped white sprinkles that fill four test tubes in a charming stand.
Meanwhile, three large pumpkins are in the bullpen waiting to be carved.
The scene could be of any family enjoying some traditional pre-Halloween fun. But this isn't your ordinary family.
Rhea Goss, Barb Thielbar and their son, Matt (whose name has been changed for this story at the request of his parents) are uniquely different.
Goss and Thielbar are domestic partners. Together, along with Goss' 13-year-old son from a previous marriage, they have been a family for eight years.
"It's like having a mom and dad. It's normal. There's nothing different. It's just … (he pauses) family," Matt says.
The majority of North Dakota voters don't see things that way.
In 2004, state voters approved a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. The U.S. Census Bureau recently released statistics showing North Dakota as having the fewest number of same-sex partners, at just over 600, or 2 percent of the population.
The low-visibility of same-sex couples, combined with state laws and social stigmas of same-sex couples, creates challenges for the family.
Goss and Thielbar cautiously navigate their life through complex and overlapping emotional, social and legal issues. What they want is for others to respect them as people, as parents and as a family unit.
"We share a lot of common themes with other families, and we want the same things for our children. Our primary goal is to be a family," Goss said.
Protecting their family
Goss is from Indiana, and Thielbar grew up in Fargo-Moorhead. The couple met at work while both were living in Fargo. At the time, Goss was separated from her husband and caring for her young son.
Both women say they had never identified themselves as lesbian before meeting each other.
Soon after, though, the family moved to Bloomington, Ind., a city near Goss' family and where same-sex couples are more visible. But news that Thielbar's mother was having health issues brought the couple back to the area.
Since then, Goss has worked at U.S. Bank in the fraud and disputes management department as a case processor. Thielbar has been a truck loader for UPS the past seven years. They feel fortunate that UPS offers full health benefits for the family. In the Corporate Equality Index 2010, UPS and U.S. Bank rank at the top as gay-friendly corporations.
At this point, Goss' biggest concern is for Matt. She's concerned about how others treat him, and in particular what would happen to him should something happen to her.
North Dakota statutes would require Goss and Thielbar to be evaluated by a licensed adoption agency if Thielbar wished to adopt Matt, according to Fargo family attorney Michael L. Gjesdahl.
"Our statutes exempt certain people from this expensive requirement. Presumably, when a biological parent vouches for their married (heterosexual) partner, that's good enough, and we don't need to investigate them," Gjesdahl said.
As much as Goss and Thielbar try to protect Matt from intolerance, things happen. A particularly frightening incident happened last year to the family when a car full of men shouting derogatory language pulled up beside them. Thielbar called the police and then her brothers. Matt was too scared to go home.
" 'Cause I thought they might follow us home, follow us here," Matt said.
"Barb just reassured him and said that we weren't going to go home until we knew for sure that nobody was behind us and that we would take a different way home. And we'll do everything we can to protect him," Goss said.
Dr. Diana Breshears, with the department of communications studies at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, studies lesbian-parented families. She says everyone relies on communication to shape his or her family and relational identities. Lesbian-parented families depend on communication even more than heterosexual families, especially in populations with little diversity, and oftentimes need to have conversations with their children heterosexual parents do not.
"We must keep in mind that while heterosexual-parented families are validated by society's definition of a 'normal' family, lesbian-parented families often do not fit into that narrative of what a family should look like," Breshears said.
So Goss and Thielbar choose to be cautious about drawing attention to themselves.
"Sure, Barb and I could just hug, kiss or do whatever in public and say to heck with what people think. But I believe the response that we are trying to create is a positive perception of us as a couple, as a family, because we don't have society validating our relationships," Goss explains. "We want nothing more than for others to see that we are 'normal,' too."
Support network
There are other considerations Goss and Thielbar must account for that heterosexual families don't need to think about. The low percentage of same-sex couples in our area means fewer resources to find businesses and service-providers that are gay-friendly, such as doctors.
"It's not that you are looking for gay doctors or straight doctors, but you are looking for somebody who is going to be culturally sensitive. When you do go into certain medical facilities, you want to know that you are not being discriminated (against) and that the health care you get is not going to be changed because of that," Goss said.
Before moving to Fargo almost three years ago from Bloomington, Ind., Goss and Thielbar did their own investigation for gay-friendly and culturally sensitive area school districts by emailing local administrators.
"We wanted to see which one would be more accepting toward our family," Goss said. "The West Fargo School District is the one that emailed us back and said, 'We are very diverse.' "
Goss said her family has been pleased with their choice. The examples the family shared are just a few of many they face daily.
However, Goss and Thielbar believe they have created a stable environment for Matt, due in large part to their strong support system. Their extended families are supportive, and Goss and Thielbar are especially thankful for their church community at First Congregational in Moorhead.
"We've been going there for a year now, and they are an open and confirming church, and it's just wonderful. We've never been so accepted anywhere," Thielbar said.
Goss and Thielbar are adamant about letting Matt decide if and when he chooses to tell others he has two moms. They trust his instincts.
Matt says he just takes time to get to know other kids. If he meets someone who treats other people badly, he said he knows it wouldn't be someone he would befriend.
"I don't know. Most of the time I talk to my friends, and they get used to me, and since I'm not bad at all, they know it's OK that I have two moms," Matt said.
And when he does tell his friends he has two moms?
"They say, 'That's cool!' " he said.
Najla Amundson is a contributing writer to SheSays. She lives in Fargo with her husband and four boys. Najla can be reached at email@example.com


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Tuesday, January 31, 2012
Butcher? I hardly stew 'er! (sorry.)
3 comments:
- Christa aka The BabbyMama said...
We have essentially the same issue, since the Babby won't eat most of what we cook. Though Tedd will take the leftovers for lunches, so that works. I am def. a craving-driven eater, though, so meal planning is right out. Butchers, though? Kind of a lost cause round these parts.
- January 31, 2012 at 2:59 PM
- Jack said...
True. Our cravings are probably quite different - Angela would eviscerate me if I were between her and a pot of risotto on a bad day, whereas I would have to weigh her wrath against a flatiron steak. I can cut a lot of things out of my diet if necessary, but meat isn't one of them.
What I still can't find around us is a good bakery.
- January 31, 2012 at 4:46 PM
- Tiffany said...
So glad this is back.
Also, we have a rather popular local butcher just 10 minutes from us. Italian, Country. Still sells filet mignon at a ridiculously good price. Grandma bakes pies from scratch and sells them at an old glass counter up front. The place is ridiculous.
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I'm working on a basic scripted (Lua 5.0) 'game' engine, and part of the concept is that you define an object by creating a table that has information suchs as x,y,z value, size, object type etc., and the pass it to my C++ engine to create the object. I have no problem using objects in C++ and Lua through Lunar class template and can have me engine do all sort of things with the variable passed but can't work out how to make my C++ functions accept a TABLE from Lua and set internal variable based on the values in that table.
Hope that makes a little bit of sense and someone can point me in the right direction to working this out! Can't find any tutorials on this (found ones that recognise a table was passed, but not ones that process the information in the table) and the Lua Manual makes no sense to me.


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BEAT, AirAsia, MAHB and Aerobridges at KLIA2
The Barrier-Free Environment and Accessible Transport Group (BEAT) held a protest at Taman Jaya in Petaling Jaya yesterday (The Star – Group wants aerobridges at KLIA 2 – October 24, 2011) against the omission of aerobridges at KLIA2. BEAT is a cross-disability coalition with representation from disabled persons organisations (DPO) based in the Klang Valley. According to the group, the protest was "to reaffirm our call for aerobridges to be installed at KLIA2 for the safety, security and comfort of all passengers including disabled persons, elderly, children, pregnant women, parents with children in prams." The first protest on the same issue was held at Bangsar LRT station on August 20, 2011.
I wholeheartedly support the call for aerobridges at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport 2 (KLIA2). Currently, people with mobility limitations board aircrafts at the Low Cost Carrier Terminal (LCCT-KLIA) using passenger boarding lift (ambulift) or have to be carried up the boarding stairs. AirAsia passengers who need to use the lift have to inform the airline 48 hours in advance failing which boarding could be denied. There is only one such lift at the LCCT-KLIA for this purpose.
The passenger boarding lift may not be available at all times. It could unavailable because it is being used for boarding at another aircraft at the same time. It could also be due to breakdown or maintenance. When this happens, disabled passengers have to be carried up the boarding stairs via the side-by-side two-person lift method. In my experience, this is not a safe way to board the plane or disembark from it. The steps of the boarding stairs are narrow and slippery. There are many things that could go wrong. The lifters may not have the skills for such lifting. They could lose their grip or lose their footing on the steps. One of them could lose strength on the way up.
I have been carried three times up and three time down like this and each time the fear of the three of us falling off the stairs overwhelmed me. There was one time when I was nearly dropped. The lifters, after hauling me up the stairs and into the aircraft, could not find a place to sit me down. They were exhausted and were fast losing their grip. Fortunately, a cabin crew quickly directed them to use the jump seat. Experiences like this are really not a good way to begin or end the journey with.
The aerobridge or passenger boarding bridge or jet bridge, is safe, convenient and comfortable to board and disembark from aircrafts. They protect passengers from the element, be it rain or shine. There is no need for passengers to huff and puff up the stairs with their luggages, children in tow or baby prams. The aerobridge makes it convenient for children and senior citizens without them having to climb up the stairs. It is a good example of universal design of facilities that benefit everyone.
The decision by Malaysia Airport Holdings Berhad (MAHB) not to install the aerobridges stemmed from AirAsia's resistance in using them. The budget airline's business model requires a quick 25-minute turnaround time for its aircrafts and no-frills service. Using aerobridges would purportedly increase the turnaround time and increase the airfare.
MAHB has revealed that it charges RM85 for the use of each aerobridge. Based on the full load of an Airbus A320 with 180 passengers, this translates to a mere 25 sen per passenger for an arriving and departing flight. MAHB stated that the design of the KLIA2 has provisions to accommodate the installation of aerobridges at any time when required AirAsia or other low-cost carriers (LCC).
While I support BEAT's call for the installation of aerobridges at the KLIA2, I am of the opinion that the protest against MAHB was misdirected. True, MAHB is bending backwards by giving exemption to AirAsia for not using aerobridges. MAHB should be faulted for this but looking at the big picture, AirAsia is ultimately the source of this issue.
AirAsia and AirAsia X are the major airlines using the KLIA2. It makes no business sense for MAHB to install the 80 aerobridges at the cost of RM104 million if they are not going to be used. Each aerobridge costs RM1.3 million. It must be noted that AirAsia and AirAsia X are compelled to use aerobridges in foreign airports where no exemption is given for them not to.
BEAT has established a working relationship with AirAsia after the protest at the LCCT-KLIA in 2007. Its members conduct regular trainings for the airline's cabin crew and ground crew in support and services for disabled passengers. BEAT also holds dialogues with the management of the airline on related issues. Therefore, BEAT should use its relationship and influence to advocate to AirAsia on the pertinent need for aerobridges at KLIA2.
In fact, I was involved in a five-day Training of Trainers for AirAsia Disability Equality Training (DET) and Disability Related Service Training (DRST) at AirAsia Academy that concluded last Friday. This five-day course was organised by BEAT under the auspices of AirAsia to equip disabled trainers from Indonesia and Thailand with the same methodology and modules for them to train AirAsia staff in their respective countries. To AirAsia's credit, it is expanding the training for the ground crew and cabin crew in countries where it has a presence in order for disabled passengers to be better served.
On the contrary, in deciding not to use aerobridges at KLIA2, AirAsia has taken several steps backward. It is a shame that the most modern purpose-built low cost carrier terminal that costs more than RM2 billion will require passengers walk out on the tarmac and use boarding stairs. Even the Malaysian Association of Tour and Travel Agents (MATTA) and the Board of Airline Representatives were of the view that KLIA2 neeeds to have aerobridges, as reported in The Edge (Provisions made for aerobridges at KLIA2, Dewan Rakyat told – October 17, 2011).
Instead of taking AirAsia to task over this matter, BEAT has chosen to demonise MAHB instead. The root cause of this issue is glaringly not pointed out. There was little mention of AirAsia in the two protests. Why is BEAT playing tai chi here? Why is BEAT not grabbing the bull by the horns? Why is BEAT beating around the bush? Why has BEAT failed to advocate effectively to AirAsia on the need for aerobridges? These are questions begging answers.
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Of KLIA2 Aerobridges And The Disability Movement In Malaysia
When the disability movement in Malaysia does not speak in one voice, everybody becomes confused, disabled people themselves included. The issue of aerobridges at KL International Airport 2 (KLIA2) clearly shows the split.
Do disabled people need aerobridges to board planes at the KLIA2? Christine Lee, whelchair user and co-ordinator of the Barrier-Free Environment and Accessible Transport Group (BEAT) thinks it is needed and was quoted by Bernama as saying:
"The MAHB decision not to include aerobridges is a step backward and taken in the wrong direction," she told reporters at a gathering attended by some 30 people with various disabilities to express their displeasure over this matter, here today.
"If underdeveloped countries can have aerobridges at their airports, why is Malaysia, which is a step away from developed nation status, regressing to third world infrastructure and service provision," said Lee of the Barrier-free Environment and Accessible Transport (BEAT).
She added that aerobridges should and must be made a universal feature in all airport designs and developments.
(Disabled Community Pushes For Aerobridges At KLIA2 – August 20, 2011)
However, Anthony Thanasayan who is also a wheelchair user and Majlis Bandaraya Petaling Jaya (MBPJ) councillor opines otherwise as reported in The Star:
He said he personally did not think it necessary for the aerobridges to be installed as ambulifts could cater for the disabled.
"What's wrong with using ambulifts? Able-bodied passengers don't need the aerobridges," he said, adding that he was more concerned with the toilet and ramp designs at the new low-cost carrier terminal.
(Disabled group insists on aerobridge at new KLIA2 terminal – August 21, 2011)
Who should Malaysia Airports, and for that matter, the government and all other infrastructure providers, listen to? One party says we need aerobridges which is not only a convenience for disabled people but also to senior citizens, pregnant women, children and adults with prams. On the other hand, the other party says that ambulifts are sufficient.
Anthony was further reported to have argued against the use of aerobridge in Free Malaysia Today:
Thanasayan, a disabled himself felt that aerobridges were too expensive a commitment.
He suggested instead the use of the portable ambulifts in airports.
"The ambulift is more suitable as it is portable.
"Having an aerobridge will increase cost for passengers by 20%.
"It is unfair to shift the cost to able-bodied passengers.
"I have been carried up into planes in the US because the smaller airports does not have aerobridges and ambulifts," said Thanasayan, who is the president of Petpositiev and an activist for the disabled community.
('Inconsiderate' MAHB, Air Asia slammed – August 20, 2011)
This disagreement cannot come at a worse time, especially when the public and private sectors are beginning to warm up to the concept of right of access to the built-environment for disabled people. This right is recognized in the Persons with Disabilities Act 2008 and clearly stated in Clause 26 (Access to public facilities, amenities and services and buildings) and Clause 27 (Access to public transport facilities).
Access for disabled persons should not be exclusive, meaning, as far as possible, we do not advocate for special or separate facilities. This is where universal design comes in. This concept promotes that the built-environment and products are made accessible and usable to both non-disabled people and disabled people.
The importance that the Malaysian government accords to universal design is reflected in the formation of the Universal Design and Built Environment Committee (Jawatankuasa Reka Bentuk Sejagat Dan Alam Bina) under the National Council for Persons with Disabilities (Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Orang Kurang Upaya).
The National Council was constituted under Clause 3 of the Persons with Disabilities Act 2008 and is chaired by the Minister of Women, Family and Community Development. Unfortunately, the same National Council did not make the effort to ensure that the facilities at KLIA2 are inclusive and universally usable.
Aerobridges are a good example of universal design. It provides convenience to all categories of passengers boarding and disembarking from aircrafts irrespective of weather. Wheelchair users can go right to the boarding door before transferring to a boarding chair to get into the plane. Likewise, senior citizens and non-disabled adult passengers with children, prams and luggages in tow can walk right up to the boarding door without having to heave kids and luggages up the boarding stairs.
To answer Anthony's question of "What's wrong with using ambulifts?" My answer is that there is absolutely nothing wrong in using ambulifts for boarding in airports that do not have boarding bridges. However, in the case of KLIA2, it is built from the ground up and "provisions have been made in the design of the terminals at the new low cost carrier terminal, the KLIA2, to accommodate the installation of aerobridges, if required at any time by AirAsia group or other low cost carriers (LCCs)." (The Star – New LCT designed to enable installation of aerobridges – July 15, 2011). So why not install the aerobridges for the convenience and safety of everyone?
Acording the a statement by Malaysia Airports dated July 15, 2011 with the heading No Aerobridges At KLIA2 To Cater For AirAsia's Requirement, it was mentioned that aerobridges are mandatory for airlines in other countries in the region. A calculation of the cost per passenger for the usage was also furnished.
Airports in other countries in the region make it mandatory for airlines to use aerobridges where provided, in order to enhance passenger convenience, safety and security. Should the airlines choose not to use aerobridges, they then have to park the aircraft in a remote position and bus the passengers to the terminal. AirAsia had explained that they use aerobridges at these other countries as they are compelled to adhere to the regulatory requirements at these airports, as no exemptions are given.
Based on AirAsia's decision not to use aerobridges at klia2, the terminal for LCCs, even during inclement weather or for long haul operations, the terminal is being constructed without the installation of aerobridges and instead ramps will be provided. As AirAsia and AirAsiaX would be the major airlines at klia2, it may not be worthwhile to incur the cost if the aerobridges are not going to be used. However provision has been made in the design of the terminal to accommodate the installation of aerobridges, if so required at any time, by AirAsia group or any other LCCs. Discussions will be held with other LCCs as well on their requirements.
The current charge to the airline for the use of the aerobridge is RM85.00 per usage. Based on a full A320 aircraft carrying 180 passengers for both arriving and departing flights, the cost of using the aerobridge works out to be less than 25 sen per passenger. This makes Malaysia Airports' charge for the aerobridge the lowest in the region.
Malaysia Airports has continually received numerous feedbacks from the public requesting that all airlines be required to use aerobridges in order to avoid inconvenience to passengers. Tan Sri Bashir added, "As such, we will continue to engage AirAsia and AirAsiaX, as well as other airlines to look into the possibility of further aligning their operations to the needs of passengers."
If other countries are already imposing the mandatory use of aerobridges, why are we arguing against it here? It is a matter of regulatory requirements at those airports and airlines have no choice but to comply. The costs are passed down to passengers in the form of airport tax and passengers using those airports have no issue with it.
In the case of aerobridge charges at KLIA2, is 25 sen per passenger an excessive amount for a measure of convenience and safety, irrespective of whether one is a disabled person or not? I find it very surprising for Anthony to say that it is unfair for non-disabled passengers to bear the cost of providing such facilities to disabled passengers in Malaysia. Each and every passenger in the countries where aerobridge is mandatory has to pay for the usage and it is not due to providing for the needs of disabled passengers but by the force of regulation.
Malaysia have similar regulations as stated by the Malaysia Airports statement. Why then is it so different in Malaysia that disabled people are singled out and blamed should such charges be imposed? It is a regulatory requirement and has nothing to do with whether the facilities are for disabled passengers or otherwise. Therefore, the issue of passing on the cost to non-disabled passengers is untenable and without basis.
What is disappointing is that exemption is given to AirAsia and other low-cost carriers that are currently operating at KLIA-LCCT and will be operating at KLIA2 to not use aerobridges. This is at the expense of security, convenience and safety of passengers in addition to imposing a great inconvenience to disabled passengers who have to depend on ambulifts for boarding failing which we have to be bodily carried up the narrow boarding stairs. This is dangerous in many aspects, for the passenger and the crews carrying the passenger.
Malaysia Airports further stated that ramps will be provided in place of aerobridges. It was not elaborated what kind of ramps these were and whether wheelchair users can independently ascend these ramps. One point I have to wholeheartedly agree with Christine is that Malaysia is very close to becoming a developed nation but has unfortunately regressed to becoming third world again by this act of not using aerobridges, especially for a modern airport such as the KLIA2 that is being built at a cost of RM2bil and will become operational by the fourth quarter of 2012.
The issue of aerobridges is not limited only to KLIA2. It involves all major airports in the country where low-cost carriers fly to, like Penang and Kota Kinabalu. Malaysia Airports must seriously consider the views of all stakeholders in this matter as it involves the comfort, convenience and safety of passengers using the airports under its management.
At the same time, disabled advocates should take a step back to see what damage the aerobridge debacle has done to the disability movement in Malaysia. I am very concerned with the disunity displayed when confronted by major issues such as this. It is as if the head knows not what the tail is doing. If we cannot speak in one voice convincingly, no one will ever take us seriously again.
Engaging in one-upsmanship where disability issues are concerned benefits no one. In the end, the disabled community as a whole loses and suffers the consequences of disabled advocates cancelling each other out with contradictory statements.
I sincerely urge Christine and Anthony, as leaders of the respective groups, to come together to trash out the differences and come out with a common statement in this issue for the sake of all disabled people in Malaysia. Please take to heart the very apt Malay proverb: Bersatu teguh, bercerai roboh (United we stand, divided we fall).
Tags: aerobridge, Akta OKU 2008, Akta Orang Kurang Upaya 2008, Anthony Thanasayan, boarding bridge, Christine Lee, disabled air travel, disabled people Malaysia, discrimination against disabled people, Jawatankuasa Reka Bentuk Sejagat Dan Alam Bina, Kementerian Pembangunan Wanita Keluarga dan Masyarakat, KLIA LCCT, KLIA2, Kuala Lumpur International Airport 2, low-cost carriers, Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Orang Kurang Upaya, Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad, Ministry of Women Family and Community Development, National Council for Persons with Disabilities, reka bentuk sejagat, Universal Design, wheelchair user Malaysia


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