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The Cleburne County Commission Monday unanimously approved transferring 10 feet of county right of way in front of Ambers Hanson's property at 11011 County Road 10 in Ranburne.
Hanson, 90, protested the county's mandate that he move a rock wall in front of his family home, saying the wall is historically significant, said Doug Ghee, the county attorney.
Hanson said his grandfather and father built the house and the wall in about 1890. His grandfather had received a land grant from President James Buchanan. Hanson said he still has the "old sheepskin" deed.
Hanson and his family contacted the Alabama Historic Preservation Office, which was ready to step in, Ghee said.
The Alabama Department of Transportation would not release the funding for the project until everything was removed from the right of way. In addition, said Shannon Robbins, Cleburne County engineer, the road project will be financed with federal money and therefore "cannot be in conflict with other agencies or federal rules." If the Historic Preservation Office chose to fight the removal of the wall, it would have endangered the funding, Robbins said.
A family friend of Hanson's contacted State Sen. Gerald Dial about the predicament.
"He was sympathetic to my cause," Hanson said.
In fact, Ryan Robertson, chairman of the commission, said preserving the wall was a community effort.
"There was a push from the family and there was a push from the community," Robertson said.
Dial said he went out to see the wall personally. He also spoke to the Preservation Office and the county to help find a solution, Dial added.
"I just thought it was an opportunity to preserve a piece of history," he said. "I thought it was a win-win."
To save the project, the Cleburne County Commission got the wall off county books by transferring it to Hanson, Ghee said.
The county, the Alabama Department of Transportation and the family all agreed on the transfer as a way to satisfy all their requirements, Ghee said.
In other business the commission members:
- Appointed Patrick Nolen to the Cleburne County Hospital Board and Crystal Cavender to the Cleburne County Department of Human Resources Board.
- Approved entering into an agreement with ALDOT for the county's bridge projects.
- Recognized the legal community for the free work it does for low-income residents in the community and proclaimed Oct. 20-26 Pro Bono Week.
- Declared some county property as surplus and authorized County Administrator Steve Swafford to dispose of it and to transfer old computer equipment to the volunteer fire departments in the county.
- Approved the proposed solid waste management plan.
Staff writer Laura Camper: 256-235-3545. On Twitter @LCamper_Star.


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May 22nd, 2013 03:15 PM #6
Mabel is precious! I am a huge lover of vintage names and Mabel is perfectly fine with peers named Hazel, Oscar, Harriet, Archibald, Rosamund...I think of Gone With The Wind character(however, I think it was spelled Maybelle there) and she was described as a very attractive girl.
I find both your names beautiful and there is nothing wrong with Mabel. It's so pretty and with names like Isabel and Arabella getting a lot of love it won't sound odd but stand out in a good way.
I was in the similar situation: my daughter's name is Cornelia and before she was born I sometimes got not very good feedback about the name. And also my boyfriend's relative said she didn't find Cornelia usable. But we used it anyway and now almost every time a stranger in a park asks her name, we get a lot of compliments. And what's more important, both me and my SO are completely in love with her name and it fits her perfect.
Mabel Adeline Alice is a gorgeous name(my daughter also has two middle names and I think it's not only meaningful but pretty sounding too). Don't worry about it, it's just crazy pregnancy hormones. I used to be very nervous about the name but now I see the most important thing is you to adore it. Use the name you love and you won't get wrong.Victoria
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May 22nd, 2013 03:41 PM #8
I would have said the same thing about Mabel and Hazel as you did.
It's a classy and beautiful name and if you love it you shouldn't let your friends distaste for it influence you. (Your not naming your child something odd and out there like #). Also what's awesome about your friend not loving the name as much as you do is that it is perfect for your family and your child and you will never have to worry about her feeling like you "stole" her name or wanting to give the name to her future daughter.
I actually love that her initials will be MAB/MAAB. Reminds me of Queen Mab which is a big plus point in my book.Aurelia - Endora - Illyria - Lorelei - Merida - Ofelia - Penrose - Tabitha - Viola - Zenobia
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I love Mabel Adeline! I don't think you should use Mabel Adeline Alice though- it seems like a mouthful and then u can save Alice as a middle name for any future daughters you have. I wouldn't worry about the last name to much either. Most people will call her Mabel or Mrs. Barch or something like that. Her full name will most likely only be used in school and when she's in trouble.


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Holiday shoppers seeking creative, last-minute gift ideas-and a respite from the crowds at the malls-may find what they are looking for at a nearby museum. Museum gift shops offer a unique items ranging from jewelry and housewares to art reproductions and books.
The museum shop at the Clark Art Institute in Williamstown has a variety of items to suit the art lovers on your list. A popular new offering this season is a black zippered tote bag woven with a decorative detail from the Clark's famous "Marquand Piano," a Steinway grand designed in 1887 by British artist Sir Lawrence Alma-Tadema for the Madison Avenue mansion of New York millionaire Henry Marquand. Made exclusively for the Clark, the bag sells for $50.
Museum membership is a gift that provides benefits to the recipient all year long, and the Clark's "Membership in a Box" makes it easy. The giver has no forms to fill out and has a tangible present to wrap. The box contains a Clark mug, a tin of the Clark's own "Sterling Blend" tea, information about the Clark and its programs, and a one-year family membership in Friends of the Clark. The recipient just sends in the enclosed reply card to begin receiving benefits, which include free admission year-round, discounts on public programs, and more. "Membership in a Box" is available at the shop for $75.
Gifts and stocking stuffers for under $10 include mugs ($7.95), architectural games by Ted Naus ($9.95), bookplates ($6 for a set of 20), and pocket or purse sized flashlights ($7.95). Wooden tree ornaments by local artist Kurt Meyer are priced from $9 to $18.
The Clark's shop also has games, puzzles, toys, and books for children of all ages. The large selection of books for adults includes catalogues from the Clark's popular recent exhibitions Impression: Painting Quickly in France, 1860-1890 and Gustav Klimt Landscapes. Reproductions of beloved works of art from the Clark collection can be found in all sizes and shapes from magnets and mugs to posters and framed prints. Many items are also available at the Clark's online store at www.clarkart.edu.
Shoppers may wish to take a break from the bustle by visiting the Clark's collections of French Impressionist, Old Master, and American paintings. Admission to the Clark galleries is free throughout the holiday season.
The Sterling and Francine Clark Art Institute is located at 225 South Street in Williamstown, Massachusetts. The galleries and museum shop are open Tuesday through Sunday, 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (closed Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's Day). For more information call 413-458-2303 or visit www.clarkart.edu.


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3.79/5 rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75
A - Pours a murky reddish-brown with virtually no head.
S - Dark fruits, molasses, sweet malts, and alcohol.
T - Sweet malts upfront with nice amount of dark fruits (cherries and plums). The finish has a good amount of resinous piney hops. Hops give a nice lingering bitterness.
M - Meium bodied with low carbonation. Syrupy mouthfeel with a sticky finish. Slight alcohol burn.
O - Very decent barley wine. Would prefer a little less hops and more sweetness. Still very drinkable.
Serving type: bottle
04-15-2014 02:32:57 | More by TreyIsWilson
3.89/5 rDev +2.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
$3.99 single. Bottled 1/17/13. Poured 2/07/14 into the only clean glass I had, a shaker pint. Maybe it being a year past its bottling date was why this was $4 for a single? Who knows. My first ENGLISH Barleywine, though I've had a few American varieties.
Appearance: A really hazy, thick, brown and red color. Sort of almost like the color of the bottle itself. No head to really speak of, but a decent amount of lacing, and a ring of foam on top of the beer.
Smell: Oh, well... yeah. Big malty sweetness that you'd expect in an English barleywine. Dark fruits. Bunch of caramel malt. Almost a wet wood aroma in there as well. Pretty nice.
Taste/feel: Actually a bit thin compared to other Barleywines I've had, but not TOO thin. A sort of tangy quality is also definitely in this beer, presumably from the yeast. Big caramel malt and sweetness before the alcohol warming finish and biscuit-like after taste. As for actual alcohol flavor, I don't really get one, but someone could probably guess this beer is at least 10% by the feel of it alone.
I hadn't had a Barleywine in a loooong time, so I decided to try this one. It's pretty good. $4 for a single bottle seemed a bit high, but when I looked at it, the beer was bottled over a year ago. Unless Arcadia bottles this beer and keeps it around before shipping them? Whatever the case, that may explain why this beer's alcohol is quite nicely mellowed out.
I wasn't the hugest fan of Barleywines (which is why I went so long without buying one), but now I think I'm changing my stance. I enjoy the insane amount of malt flavor, the slight tanginess, and the warmth in my belly from this one. The feel could maybe use a little work, but the amount of sweetness is spot on -- any more and this beer would be cloying. I'd be very interested in buying another one and cellaring it for about five years or so. The only real flaw I have with this brew is that it could use some more flavor depth... I could find that in the BBA version if I could get my hands on it. Try this one out.
Serving type: bottle
02-07-2014 17:37:07 | More by Alextricity
3.69/5 rDev -3.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75
A - Initially pours a pitch black with zero head whatsoever. A barely visible off white cap circles the snifter. When viewing the brew with back lighting the color changes significantly. It goes from black to a dark ruby orange.
S - Ripe fruit, raisins, maple syrup, malts.
T - Malt forward with big fruity flavors, raisins, plums, figs, finishes with some warming alcohol with an astringent bitter taste that clings on your palate. Heavy mouthfeel - syrupy.
O - This is a sipper with a complex malt profile. I laid one of these bad boys down so I look forward to having this again in a year or two to see how it ages.
Serving type: bottle
10-28-2013 02:04:47 | More by andrewjraab
4/5 rDev +5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4
This is actually a first for us in that we are reviewing a bottle of their fresh 2013 stock alongside a bottle of 2010 that we aged in our cellar, simultaneously. Should be a fun ride, so buckle up. We pour them side by side, with the 2013 landing in our oversized tasting snifters, and the 2010 in our Founders snifters. They both pour with a deep mahogany ruby coloring, with the older batch just a shade darker. The heads are comprised of egg white colored bubbles, standing half a finger tall, and showing light retention. Haze and sediment are both thick, with more substantial chunks noted in the 2010, as expected. Carbonation appears to be moderate all around. The aroma shows our first major difference. The base is similar in both with fusel booziness, rich caramel and brown maltiness, cloying toffee sugars, plum and black cherry fruitiness, and massive vanilla. The 2010, however, is much loftier, more syrupy, woody, and floral, with malty cloy of those caramels, toffee, buttercream, musk, and soy sauce, replacing the initial blast of medicinal phenols, industrial cleaning products, enhanced fusel booze, and apple cider vinegar in the 2013. Our first impression is similar to our thoughts on the aroma, with the 2013 giving stark punch, booze, and bitterness at the start, while the 2010 is more relaxed, blended, and sweetly balanced throughout the entire sip. The 2013 opens with vinegar acidity, sweet apple cider and core fruitiness, vinyl plastics, rubber, burnt caramel smokiness, heavily biting booze, walnut bitterness, rum soaked raisins, and under ripe figs. The 2010, by comparison, eliminates much of that initial bitterness, erasing the spine tingling shivers that rip through your body with each sip. Here, the malts are much more forward, with great depth and layers of caramel, soured brown malts, crispy pales, and buttery diacetyls to keep you busy. The peak hits with heavy, sugar-laden fruitiness of red cherries, fig, plum pudding, buttered biscuits, toasted pseudo chocolate malty darkness, and amber malts, to replace the peppery booziness, mineral, nail polish remover, banana peppers, cereal and oat graininess, margarine, and sugar-free caramels of the fresh 2013 stock. This continues, washing through the finish with apple brandy booziness, white wine vinegar, bitter maple candy, gravel, massive booziness, fig and plum, slight grassy hoppiness, oily nut and tree bitters, fusel chemical phenols, and melted plastics. The 2010 contrasts with this, giving more of a browned apple sweetness, bittered lemon rind, musk, dank dustiness, bread pudding, maple syrups, peach and fig syrups, floral grassiness, honey glaze, candy corn, pineapple fruitiness, and general aged caramel maltiness. The aftertaste of the 2010 continues with mossy, basement musky woodiness, dried apple slices, cinnamon and brown sugar, fruit of red cherry, buttercream sugars, mineral, and more of that sweet, sticky fig and plum sugar that has been present throughout. The 2013 breathes rather similarly, but with more bite of graphite, metallic yeast, harsh grainy grit, booze, and phenols. Both sip with a heavy, full body, while carbonation is held at a medium. Each gives nice slurp, smack, and finishing pop, with more cream, froth, and foam appreciated from the 2010 product. This also shows more of a syrupy coating to the mouth, with light chalky dryness, and sugary cloy to puck. The 2013 gives much more bittering puck and twitch from the hearty booziness of it, with the same light chalky dryness to follow, once the mouth recovers to its baseline. The abv is big but appropriate, and the beer sips over the hour.
Overall, what we enjoyed most about this beer was its robustness of flavoring. This of course, as we set out to discover, was vastly different across the years of the vintage. The freshest edition was a bit harsh, giving nothing big enough for the booze to hide behind. It came out swinging, mixing with bright chemical phenols, cloying sugars, and plastics, for a curiously imbalanced sip. This improved a great deal with warmth, however, allowing for the inherent sugariness of the malts shine through strongly enough to break the cycle. That said, the 2010 vintage was vastly superior from the first sip and then after. It started with the desired blend, with the booze, actually, hardly noticeable at times. The fruit, malts, and muskiness of it remained clean, and was a single entity by the end. This was an exciting, revealing experience, and it certainly helped us to refine our opinions about cellaring vs. drinking fresh. So, based on our experiment here, we recommend that you sit on the fresh Cereal Killer you have, so as to allow it to calm and blend enough for all of its components, nooks, and crannies to click.
Serving type: bottle
08-31-2013 02:57:58 | More by TheBrewo
4/5 rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
It's hard to tell if this is an orange-hued light brown beer or a brown-hued orange beer; the overall affect is a bit of ruby in the light, and a certain bright ruddiness even with no light shining into it. The head, orange-tinted, develops quite well and displays good structure, sitting just under a finger without backing down from that point. It leaves bits of itself behind in patches.
The overall profile is distinctively English, proffering a particular unoffensive tinniness under a malty body. It's lightly fusel in the nose but well restrained, and in the flavor it just warms rather than biting. Breads are big throughout, leaning toasty. The sweetness, both from elements of various dark fruits and of a more sugary variety (caramel, yes, but an added, creamy sort of sweetness), almost syrupy, even, do fortunately stop short of cloying.
While there's a richness to this beer, the body is medium rather than full, and it works. It supports a flowing creaminess.
Serving type: bottle
06-21-2013 23:24:49 | More by Brenden
3.76/5 rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75
This is the first barleywine ale I've ever had, and I wasn't sure what to expect. Overall I thought it was a very solid beer. Not going to knock you socks off, but pours nice, solid mouthfeel and decent taste.
A- reddish brown with an above average head.
S-The smell was more toward an average ale, with a slight fruit to it. Almost a bit like a scotch ale.
T-More fruity than I expected, but again this is the first barleywine ale I've had. Tasted a bit like a scotch ale with a fruit taste replacing the scotch kick. You can't really taste the alcohol, but as I write this and the beer is 80% gone, I definitely feel it!
M-Consistency is on the thicker side, right where I like an ale and carbonation is not overdone.
Overall I like it and recommend it if you haven't tried it.
Serving type: bottle
06-13-2013 23:36:40 | More by linnymtu
3.76/5 rDev -1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75
pour from a glass into FFF teku
not much head pours a reddish brown color
the smell is sweet and fruity
i get a lot of an apple type smell come thru kind of overpowering
it is slightly hoppy and real fruity for this style
i am find lot of fruit but not as sweet as you would think the apple comes thru
it does seem like it got a little better as it warmed up
think the ba version is better but that usually is the case
overall it is an ok beer not the best version of this style i have ever had
but very drinkable
Serving type: bottle
06-06-2013 14:33:46 | More by mhksuccess
4/5 rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
22 ounce bottle into snifter; 3 year cellar aged version released this year, making it a 2010 vintage. Pours lightly hazy dark ruby red color with a small dense cream colored head with decent retention, that reduces to a thin lace cap that lingers. Light spotty lacing on the glass. Aromas of big raisin, fig, apple, caramel, molasses, toast, sherry, brown sugar, light chocolate, light pepper, and earthiness. Very nice aromas with good balance and complexity of malt/fruity notes; very sweet, but not offensively so. Taste of raisin, fig, apple, caramel, molasses, toast, sherry, brown sugar, light chocolate, light pepper, and earthiness. Lingering notes of dark fruits, caramel, molasses, toast, brown sugar, sherry, light chocolate, and toasted earthiness on the finish for a good bit. Very good balance and complexity of malt and fruity notes; with no cloying sweetness present after the finish. Light-medium carbonation and full bodied; with a creamy and slick mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is very well hidden with hardly any warming noticed after the finish. Overall this is a damn nice English Barleywine. All around nice balance and complexity of malt and fruity flavors; and very smooth to sip on. A very enjoyable offering.
Serving type: bottle
05-01-2013 04:57:35 | More by superspak
4.11/5 rDev +7.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25
Bottle 2010
Pours a dark chocolate color with just a hint of ruby around the edges. Lightly carbonated with almost no head.
Aroma is wonderful. Dark fruits and malts dominate the nose. Raisin, cherry, alcohol and bready malt
Sticky sweet and medium to full mouthfeel. Assertive bitterness with almost no hop flavor at this age. Malts dominate the flavor and pleasantly supported by alcohol heat.
Overall a fantastic beer and even better with a couple years of age on it
Serving type: bottle
04-20-2013 03:09:19 | More by alphaacid9000
4.29/5 rDev +12.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25
I've been on a journey to try Michigan beers lately. Arcadia Ales is certainly one brand that stands a bit taller and this beer contributes to their stature.It pours a beautiful reddish brown,with only a small amount of lace. The smell is rather complex and should take a couple whiffs to fully appreciate. There are the usual toffee smells, but also subtle hints of cereal. The taste is sublime, having a mellow sweetness balanced with the aged flavor natural to this type of beer. It then finishes with a touch of bittersweet thickness. Good beer and a good example of the Barleywine Style.
Serving type: bottle
04-20-2013 02:10:12 | More by jmendels
Ontario (Canada)
3.98/5 rDev +4.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4
Deep murky brown with some ruby at the edges, light ring of off white head at the edges, no lace. Smell is a nice mix of fruit and malts, cherry and darker fruit, some dark sugars as well here, a bit of earthy hops as well as raisin. Taste has big malty flavours, cherry raisin and dark fruit are all present, fruity/earthy hop bill make for a nice restrained bitterness, mild caramel and toffee sweetness, aftertaste of fruit in dark sugar. Lightly carbonated, medium body. A solid and serviceable barleywine, a very enjoyable slow sipper.
Serving type: bottle
04-08-2013 20:04:17 | More by peensteen
3.38/5 rDev -11.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3
A - Pours a dark mahogany brown, minimal head retention
S - Malty sweet, cherry, whiskey-like notes,
T - Starts with that sweet pineapple-like flavor unique to barleywines fading to intense piney hop bitterness and a surprising amount of heat from alcohol. Some vanilla or Bourbon notes lie in the background but are dominated by the tannic bitterness. Some smokier malt flavor lingers after the sip.
M - Oily, slick,
O - Being relatively new the style, I could definitely tell it fits the description of barleywine, but Cereal Killer has fallen short of the others I've tried (Founders Bolt Cutter, DFH Olde School). However, the complexity of the style may have me coming back to this one in the future.
Serving type: bottle
04-02-2013 01:34:55 | More by YCantWeNotBeSober
3.99/5 rDev +4.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Had this beer on cask at Firkin in a snifter glass
A- It pours a dark reddish color with about one finger of head.
S- Smell comes forward with malty sweetness, hops, and barley notes.
T- Taste has a good deal of hops but also a considerable amount of sweetness. Even on cask and at at room temperature this beer is rather tasty.
M- Full bodied and somewhat sticky mouthfeel.
O- I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this beer. I like barleywines, but I have never had one on cask. This beer was very well balanced and the high ABV was hardly noticeable.
Serving type: on-tap
02-27-2013 01:56:17 | More by MickeyBeer
3.19/5 rDev -16.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25
Type: 12 oz bottle
Glass: Snifter
From: Tippins in Ann Arbor
Price: $4 a single
Appearance: deep ruby reddish color, a little brownish. a finger of foamy that is tan. fades to a lacing on the sides. very high clarity
Smell: malty and some vanilla, a little bit too strong in terms of alcohol. some citrusy hops
Taste: strong malts up front some vanilla, quickly turns to a hop bomb with a strong alcohol quick. a little to unbalanced and overly bitter.
Mouthfeel: syrupy, pretty heavy in body. very bitter aftertaste.
Overall: doesn't do it for me. the hoppiness is a little overdone and takes to much away from the malts. the alcohol is too overbearing as well
Serving type: bottle
01-13-2013 19:41:39 | More by SportsandJorts
3.96/5 rDev +3.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
2009 Bottle into a tulip
A -Pours a somewhat murky mahogany with one finger of head. Head dissipates to a collar fairly quickly, though the collar maintains throughout the glass.
S - Alcohol-infused caramel/tootsie roll, raisin and fig. Also some cherry and quite a bit of malt. A little too boozy in the nose.
T - Caramel with a bit of bitterness. More tart cherry in the taste than the aroma. Also dried fruits like raisin and fig. Alcohol is noticeable but not out of control. Finishes with more bitterness.
M - Medium mouthfeel is slightly sticky sweet initially, followed by some earthy bitterness.
O - Haven't had this fresh, but it is nice with a few years on it. I wish the alcohol were toned down just a bit, but this is tasty English barleywine.
Serving type: bottle
01-11-2013 02:19:31 | More by warnerry
3.95/5 rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4
Poured from bottle into pint glass for a live review.
A - Rich ruby/mahogany, perfect clarity. Extremely sparse foam, which did not accumulate, with minimal retention along the sides of the glass only. I find the colour alluring, but would have liked to see slightly more head.
S - Fairly faint, probably due to a poor choice of receptacle on my part. A vigorous drag of air yields dark fruit, candy floss, caramel. The aroma is improving as I write this, due in all likelihood to temperature. I wish I had a snifter at my disposal, but I'm not at home.
T - Loads of oak and vanilla, with a pleasant latent bitterness, which lingers on the finish.
M - Thick, viscous and satisfyingly syrupy. Coagulates on the tongue in a luxurious way. I was surprised to detect fairly substantial carbonation in the mouthfeel.
O - Very pleasant beer, a nice example of the genre. I'm impressed with how the sweetness of the initial flavour, which is considerable, is balanced by the bitterness on the end. I bought a single bottle of this with a contingency for a four-pack, and I think I'll have to follow through on it. At 10% abv, I feel this beer would age well.
Serving type: bottle
01-05-2013 03:25:08 | More by FirstBrewsoon
4.05/5 rDev +6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
The bottles states Handcrafted in 2009.
A - Poured out a dirty opaque murky reddish brown brew. Not much head developed on this on but left a tiny little bubbles on the sides of glass giving way to alcohol legs and lacing that sticks. Looks well carbonated on the edges of the glass. Layer of yeast in the bottom of this one.
S - On this there is a lot of malts that give way to sweet fig, cherry, vanilla, caramel, alcohol in the background with a ever so slight presence on the nose.
T - Wow lots of cherry, fig, a pinch of booze that shows itself and disappears just as fast, and anise overtakes the background and finishes this one. Can not tell this one is 10 % that is for sure.
M - This is medium bodied and lighter then what I was expecting for a barley wine. Carbonation is pretty low in this one also. It is however really soft and pleasant which makes it go down really easy. Mouth gets a film on it after drinking for a while.
O - This one is a pretty decent sipping barley wine which has developed really well since 09. If you can age one this long the alcohol dies off and is not detectable. Worth picking up if you like a sipper that has the typical barley wine malty flavors. Note the hops have died on this one. Cheers!
Serving type: bottle
12-08-2012 01:54:24 | More by DrinkMoreBigBeers
New York
3.88/5 rDev +1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
A- Pours a ruddy/silty brown into my Bruery Tulip. Nice copper tinted head that fades fairly quickly, but it leaves a decent amount of lacing dripping away.
S- Caramel Candy-Corn! Damn! Has a nice malt and mineral backround. Light touches of winter spices, toffee, brown sugar, molasses, vanilla, licorice and just a faint hint of the booze. Almost seems as if it's been BBA'd. Really nice depth as it warms up!
T- Touches of sour raisins and fig, caramel, and burnt brown sugar. Taste doesn't quite match the nose. Some nice licorice/basil notes, but the sourness is throwing off the caramel and sweet candy.
M- Decently thick and oily, better carbonation than expected. Nicely sweet, but the tartness is losing me a little bit.
O- I would of rated this much higher if it weren't for that sour fruit. Nicely spiced, nice oily mouthfeel. I had higher hopes for this. I'd like to have some of this to age and see what becomes of it.
Serving type: bottle
12-05-2012 21:21:43 | More by Thickfreakness
4/5 rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Picked up a 2010 vintage for around 4 bucks
A - Deep hazy mahogany amber with an opaque colored head. Lacing is thick yet not very sticky.
S - Simple soft caramels and sherry notes like a fine wine. Sweet the hops have completely aged out.
T - A very fine example of the style. Opens sweet with prunes and sweet sherry wine like goodness. Not very bitter one bit with not noticeable alcohol flavor. Good stuff.
M - Medium bodied to thick.
Overall nothing really to run out again get again (especially since I got this in Ohio) but a very well crafted barleywine.
Serving type: bottle
11-13-2012 01:13:53 | More by DrDemento456
4/5 rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
12 ounce bottle, 2010 vintage. Served in a snifter, the beer pours a murky mahogany brown color with about an inch tan head that sticked around a little while. There's also a good amount of lacing. Aroma is nice, it smells like brown sugar, caramel, toffee, dark fruit (raisins, plums) and bready malt. The taste is similar to the aroma, but there's also the addition of some sherry and a bit of sweet spice. Mouthfeel/body is medium/full, it's coating and a bit creamy with moderate carbonation. I think it's a good overall brew, I'd buy this again in the future and probably age it longer next time.
Serving type: bottle
11-12-2012 23:22:27 | More by bluejacket74
4.33/5 rDev +13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5
The only date on the label state "2010." So this beer has aged for about two years before opening.
A: A slow pour into a standard pint glass produced about one finger of head that is a darker shade of khaki, very dense, and just a little clumpy. The head proved to be fairly robust and lasted for about half the session. The brew is a mahogany color with a ruby red hue. It was also a little cloudy and just barely translucent.
S: The aroma is a combination of sweet malt and grain, along with some bready yeast and just a touch of cherry and some dark dried fruit.
T: The taste begins with a very sweet malt rush that is quickly joined by a blend of roasted and slightly toasted grains along with plenty of subtle dark dried fruit and a little bit of bready yeast.
M: The beer is heavy, full bodied, and just a little slick; and, it only has a small amount of carbonation and it just the right amount for this style of beer.
O: This is a classic barleywine, and it would make a great first introduction when introducing friends to this style of beer. It does all the things a barleywine should do, and it does them well; and, it also avoids going beyond the style. It focuses squarely on malt flavors of sweetness, toasted grains, and just a bit of dark fruit along with some yeast. Most of all, everything remains subtle and smooth and blends together well. This is a first class barleywine that is definitely in the top tier of selection available in this style.
Serving type: bottle
11-05-2012 23:33:58 | More by Beer_Runner
New Hampshire
3.55/5 rDev -6.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
Received in trade from Fplumbs, thanks for the opportunity.
Pours a crystal clear dark brown with ruby highlights and a smallish off white head that slowly dissipates to a cap. Smells of dark brown sugar, raisins, prunes, and plums, and a bit of alcohol. The flavor is filled with lots of dark and brown sugars, a bit of non descript fruit and a healthy dose of ethanol. Medium to thick body with a light level of carbonation and a sweet almost syrupy mouthfeel. Decent barleywine, but a bit on the hot side. I enjoyed this, but I would be curious to see how a little age might affect this brew.
Serving type: bottle
09-23-2012 01:56:38 | More by johnnnniee
3.58/5 rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Vintage 2010, 12oz bottle.
A. Pours good. Good copper in color. One inch creamy redish head, slowly fades away. Minamal lacing.
S. Toffee, barley, fruit.
T. Alcohol, fruit, spice, wine.
M. Warmth of alcohol, good carbonation. Light hints of barley and fruits.
O. Not the best barley wine I've had, but I like it. Very drinkable, I wouldnt mind aging a few in the cellar. I would recommend this beer to a friend.
Serving type: bottle
08-26-2012 18:56:13 | More by theecaleb
3.38/5 rDev -11.3%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
Poured into a snifter.
2010 vintage, Aged approximately 2 years
Pours a murky copper with red/brown highlights. Has 1 finger of tan head. Huge globs of yeast (I hope) are suspended in the glass. I don't know how I feel about that…
Toffee, molasses, notes of prune & fig.
Prune, molasses, candy sugar and fig. Suggestions of dates. This follows through mid-palate with more dried dark fruits and grape skins. Finishes with earth, leather and brown sugar.
Full bodied, silky, smooth, drying and sticky.
Big and sweet with a lot of dark fruit (mostly prune & dates), molasses and leather. The booze is pretty well hidden.
Serving type: bottle
08-08-2012 18:06:26 | More by justintcoons
3.88/5 rDev +1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
12 oz brown bottle - 2009 Vintage
2009 Arcadia Cereal Killer Barleywine Ale poured a dark amber color into my snifter. The head was tan; ½ finger, full of bubbles, dissipated very quickly and produced almost no lacing. The aroma was dominated by malt; caramel comes to mind and a little [boozy] alcohol. The flavor starts out with; caramel, brown sugar and toffee then dark fruits are present. Enough hops are present to keep the sweet finish from becoming too sweet. Also, the taste and alcohol builds as one consumes the Ale. Mouthfeel is medium to light full and a little slick/oily.
Cereal Killer is not as complex as some Barleywines I have drunk. If you like your Barleywines with a boozy bite Cereal Killer is for you….I'll have another.
Serving type: bottle
08-04-2012 18:22:30 | More by bushbeer75
Arcadia Cereal Killer Barley Wine from Arcadia Brewing Company
86 out of 100 based on 460 ratings.


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Last edited by tedsares; 07-29-2008 at 01:28 PM.
I would vote for Tyson if I had a hall vote.
If Barry McGuigan is in the HoF, Mike deserves a place. If it's criminal activity that would make you hesitate, then how can you put Monzon in the hall?
Mike will be in the hall, first time around too I reckon.
Youngest HW champ ever - Depending on if you recognise beating Berbick is as meaningful as Patterson winning the lineal title at 21, I guess Tyson was about 22/23 when he beat Spinks a couple of years later...
I dunno - There's so much stigma around the guy - He's a hard one to gauge. Interested to see the new doco on his life that received rapturous responses at Cannes this week.
I fully expect that when the day comes that Mike Tyson's name appears on the ballot for voters to ponder for selection into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, there will be tremendous reaction, both positive and negative.
If a rap sheet should be the reason to keep a person out, then lots of current inductees would not be on the HOF roster (Carlos Monzon, Sonny Liston, Don King, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano).
Dominance and prominence of a fighter in his division and sport is what I believe matters here, and in my book, Mike Tyson was as dominant and prominent as an athlete can be. From 1985 until helost his title to Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson was as dominant a figure as boxing has ever seen. His victims were dispatched with highlight reel quickness and devastation. In the ring, he was absolutely breathtaking.
Don't give me "lineal title" bull. Once upon a time, the lineal title really meant something. But over the years, the "alphabet soup" organizations have really destroyed any lineal heritage in just about every division.
Today, the casual boxing fan cannot name each champion. When Mike Tyson was champ, you could walk up to someone who just casually followed the sport and ask who the heavyweight champ is. You'd always get a reply of "Mike Tyson."
Video games sprung up in his name ("Mike Tyson's Punchout"). He was on talk shows, morning shows, news programs and at ringside for virtually every major fight. His un-tattooed face graced the cover of, not just boxing magazines, but major periodicals the world over.
During the last half of the eighties, Mike Tyson had become one of the most recognizable faces on this planet. And when he was doing his thing, his thing that got him so famous, nobody did it better or more spectacularly.
I guess you see, when the ballot arrives at my house, which way I'm going to vote.
-Randy G
Whatever I think about him, is a HOF fighter.
I do have a question about the statement: " If you go with Mike, can you leave Bowe out?"
What does one have to do with the other?
I think Bowe gets in based on the current standards of the Hall, But I don't understand why voting in Tyson deems you Have to vote Bowe in.
I really don't see a "connecting" factor between the two to be honest.
Possibly the most devastating 4 round fighter in the history of the fight game.
Without a shadow of a doubt he is H O F.
Tyson will surely be in on first ballot and deservedly so. Forget that Barry Mac and others are in there Mike would make it into a properly selective Hall of Fame.
Bowe might sneak into this version of the Hall but will only just be ahead of Michael Moorer and Buster Douglas!
That would be an interesting year to go to Canastota! Mike's induction would bring out some interesting fans!
I'm fully with Randy. I can't stand Tyson the man, but based on accomplishments, stature, impact, etc., he was THE man, period, from 1986-1990. Throw in 1985, too. No one had a more fearsome and unquestionable reign. I can't stand him but readily admit this.
Only thing, Randy, is that there are far, far more thugs in the hall than just those named here. That shouldn't even enter into it, or the place would have many fewer inductees.
I don't see Bowe in any sort of comparison with Tyson except psychologically. Though based on the hall's standards, Riddick definitely cuts it.
It was not bull, even when before the Tyson Spins fight, you can trace the lineal title from Patterson, to Spinks, (Marciano retire of couse)
Ali lost to Holmes, Holmes lost to Spinks and of couse the Spinks Tyson showdown. the lineal line for heavyweights at least was pretty strong.
Ali was not champion in any way when he lost to Holmes. He had come out of retirement and surely a retired guy isn't champ forever . . . I'd be more comfortable with someone saying John Tate's belt, won in an elimination series after Ali retired, is the lineal belt.
But that belt degraded in credibility whereas Holmes gained more and more credibility, and longevity. He had also beaten Norton, who was awarded the title because Spinks, unquestionably the lineal champ, had refused to fight him.
Holmes has to be lineal, and de facto, champ in my book.
Is the same Scenario as Charles Louis, in that the old champ came out of retirement to challenge the current champ, who did not hold universal recognition and then Lineage was handed along.
Now this all said, I'd like to pose a question to the Commish here:
The Ring did not recognize a World Heavyweight champion in the immediate aftermath of Ali's retirement. On the night when Mike Weaver KO'd John Tate and Holmes had successfully defended agianst Leroy Jones, Ring Magazine awarded the WORLD championship Belt to Holmes on the basis of already having beaten the now WBA champ, Mike Weaver, albeit a year earlier.
So according to the Ring, at the time Holmes defended agianst Ali, Larry was the World champ, and Ali was indeed the challenger.
Now fast forward to 1987, the final copy of the Ring Record Book that was put out by Herb Goldman (and after Gordon and Sugar had left the Ring), now falls on the Holmes winning the World title when he stopped Ali.
I'd be curious to hear what the discussions were like among those working at the Ring when the decision to list Holmes as the World Heavyweight champion, following the EPIC Mar 31, 1980 Quadruple Header. Was there buy in from everyone working at the Ring at the time that decision was made? Were there "holdouts" (Ie Goldman) who thought that the World title could only be won and lost in the ring and that when and if Ali came back, could the World title truly change hands?
And here's a wrinkle: Say Ali's negotiations with Mike Weaver actually worked themselves out and the two faced each other. And say in some sort of Miracle, Ali beats Weaver (He wouldn't have, but I'm saying WHAT IF). What would the Ring have done then (Given Holmes was listed as WORLD champ and Ali only the WBA title holder), other than pray for Ali and Holmes to meet ASAP to clear this up? Not a bad thing to have for Buildup, I would also add. The Fight for the TRUE champion. (Where have we seen this before?)
I really think this could have been VERY intersting.
I know I'm AGIAN, pushing the memory banks here Randy, but, were any HEATED discussions such as WHO was the real Heavyweight Champ, Following ALi's retirement, ANd then Weaver beating Tate and THEN ALi returning?
talent, accomplishments, skills... no doubt.
However, I'm really surprised no one has yet to mention the biting of holyfields ear. both ears.
that was no small violation. It was also something one couldn't just chalk up to the stupidity of youth. Tyson was over 30 by this point, had held the belt & knew better then anyone the responsibility that is suppossed to go w/ big fights.
sure, very nasty things happen in fights, even the biggest ones... but tyson's action in holy2 was the most blantant & naked disregard for the sports integrity, history & gamesmanship.
sure, one could make arguments that holy was blantantly headbutting him (obviously no small infraction in itself) & others could say several other high profile name fighters have skirted the rules using below the belt punches, rabbit punches & even toxic ointments to win fights. however, no fighter in as big a media fight as this has ever taken it to the level tyson did.
it wasnt as much the direct result it did to holy that was the most grievous effect of tyson's actions. face it fighters can get hurt much worse then holy did, so as bad as biting a portion of someones ear is, it wasnt lethal or detremential to longterm health. and in boxing circles on the lower levels its not a completely unknown act.
no, imo what was more grievous in tyson's act was his blatant disrespect for the sport itself. this coming from a fighter who had held the belt & now had a chance to regain it. A guy who had been brought up on the lore & history of the sport by cus, watching film from jack johnson foward. That night he figuratively & literally spit that respect he gained w/in the ropes all out the window. he showed he no longer had the class or control to be a champion.
furthermore, it wasnt like he just did it once, he bit holy twice, biting both ears! An obvious lack of class or mutual respect for a fighters health. But also a dark cloud cast on the sport itself. A sport wh/ needed positive displays at the time.
instead of tyson walking away from the fight w/ the respect of enduring the fight ( like a dempsey did in both tunney fights) & probaly gaining sympathy and respect, esp since holy whether purposely or not, was headbutting. Instead, in a huge media event, w/ many casual crossover sports fans (who like them or not, are needed for the big revenue flow for the sport) watching, tyson makes a mockery of the rules & class of the gamemenship that so many ex champions held before him. Tyson, knew how destructive image wise that action would be. Him biting holy a 2nd time, was his way of telling the sport to f off & he would only do as he chose. He further added insult w/ a lukewarm apology.
Don't kid yourself, that event turned off many fence fans & has hurt boxing to this day in trying to put on board other heavywt mega events.
so in final judgement, when that criminal action is weighed in (one this time that happened inside the ropes) its hard to just see Mike as a shoo in. He did too much in disdain for the sport w/ that action. considering he hasnt shown any later more heartfelt contrition for the event, I dont think he deserves first year contention into the hall. I think he needs to step foward and try to do some positive things for the sport & take some public responsibility for the countering destruction he laid upon it rather then just the tour de force he was in his prime. Until those actions fall in place I'd keep him out. If he chooses to do nothing, then I'd ice him for a long enough period (perhaps 10 years after contention) so that the sport can make an important point that such actions in the ring by a champion cant be tolerated.
Last edited by HandToMouth; 05-22-2008 at 03:02 AM.
good post- i agree.
Hawk: As I recall, there were no HEATED discussions at all over who the real champion was following Muhammad Ali's retirement and prior to his coming out of retirement to fight Larry Holmes. Both Bert and I--and let me throw in Herb Goldman, too--had no problem recognizing Holmes as the champion. Also, I don't recall ever discussing with Bert, "What if Ali should fight Mike Weaver and BEAT him?" I suppose that scenario was just too far-fetched to take seriously (although that really would have been something!).Originally Posted by hawk5ins
-Randy G
There is no question Tyson deserves to be in the Hall of Fame in Canastota NY for what he accomplished in the ring. Others deserve to be in for what they accomplished outside the ring in other categories too.
His rape conviction was obtained by objectionable and very questionable circumstances and a variety of abuses of that particular legal system.
He was initially metriculated into that system as a defendant with a fairy tale.
Very few people including cops and lawyers can make it through a full lifetime without someone signing somekind of bullshit complaint unless you stepped out of Twilight Zone's Willoughbee or a Norman Rockwell painting.
He has however done other things like kicking the 50 year old man in a roadrage incident and mugging helpless people that were more offensive than making moves at 2AM with a woman who came to his hotel room with asexual benign intent.
King killed TWO people, only in America though.
Bowe ain't no Tyson and is an apples and oranges scenario
The voting methods have changed in Hall of Fames all over the place and in different hands has become an issue of whether someone "Likes you" despite what persons have accomplished.
A hall of fame should not be a social club made up of tisking (As in tsk tsk), wannabee writers or wannabee historians who themselves should not even be there voting but an honest and independant venue made up of strong and fair men who know boxing inside and out, not to mention life.
Tyson was a unique destroyer of others and himself.
Iron Mike deserves to be in, not on Cosmopolitan's cover, but in the Boxing Hall of Fame.
I agree, that "scenario" is VERy far fetched.
The reason I ask about the "resistance" Re Holmes is becuase Ring magazine began the recognition following the Jones bout. ANd when Herb put together the last edition of the Ring Record book in 87, he doesn't list Larry as World champ until he beat Ali.
So it made me wonder if there was indeed an Issue.
Much appreciated.
With all the writers who have voted themselves and their cronies into these "Hall of Fames."
the idea that it is being discussed whether Mike Tyson belongs is rich indeed.
AJ Liebling and Bud Schulberg getting voted into the Boxing HOF by thier peers is something to compare or contrast with whether Mike Tyson should be voted into the IBHOF because of his MORE than sketchy out of the ring behaviour as well as his Boorish inside the ring behaviour (examples previously provided by other posters here)?
How do we get from "there" to "here"?
And I thought the comment of "if you vote Tyson in you HAVE to vote Bowe in" was confusing.
The Boxing Hall of Fame has a NON COMBATANT section.
Writers have done quite a bit for fighters and fans of the sport.
Without Writers covering the Sport, what would ANY of us know about Harry Greb? Or Sugar Ray Robinson at 147? Or Tunney at 175? Or a pre-title Jack Dempsey?
Writers brought fighters to life for those at the time who could not see them and for US today, who have no hope of seeing fighters who were never filmed.
Can anyone who follow the sport during the times of Jimmy Cannon or Nat Fleischer or Damon Runyon, have imagined what it would have been like to NOT have been able to pick up a magazine or paper to read about a fight or fighter?
In more Modern times, there have been many great writers who while not having to fill the void that their predecessors had to fill, certainly provided a great service in the coverage they did and the articles they wrote.
Pat Putnam, Bert Sugar, Dave Anderson, Larry Merchant, George Kimball, Mike Katz, Randy Gordon, Phil Berger, and so many others. Again, can anyone here imagine NOT being able to pick up Sports Illustrated or the Ring or a NY Times or Post or News or Boston Herald and NOT being able to read about boxing?
WHen our own Mike Casey Pens a piece for this site, does ANYONE here not feel or understand just how invaluable he is to have put together the pieces he did that have helped educate us at least a hundred times over about the sport?
Where would this sport be WITHOUT the Hype Igoe's, the WC Heinz's, the AJ Leiblings and the Harry Mullans?
These guys don't matter or count?
There is a reason for a Non Combatant section in the Hall. It is becuase those who served the sport OUTSIDE the ropes, deserve our respect and recognition.
Re Tyson and Bowe.....I don't really care that Riddick Bowe never Lost to a Kevin McBride or that Tyson did or that Ezzard Charles lost George Logan or that Marciano didn't.
I would vote a fighter into the Hall based on their Best, not their worst. Especially if their worst is SO far beyond their prime as in the case of a Mcbride or a Logan Loss.
imo, you make very valid points in regards to mike's out of ring infractions.Originally Posted by Ron Lipton
the rape case was shaky. regardless, if he indeed was guilty or he got railroaded... either way he did do hard time. his debt was paid, or he's owed. it's what one takes from the trial itself as far as subjective guilt.
I also concur w/ your comparisons to other fighters & promoters. boxing of all the pro sports is the most closely connected to the streets. for many boxers its there only ticket away from jail. the latitude parameters inturn must be compared to the people in the sport, not other sports. Again, Mike did some crazy things outside of the ring, but in comparison to some of the others in the hall, its not outside the ledger of comparison.
mike was indeed a unique combination of carnivore & self cannibalizer. the peculiar yin & yang psychological boundary lines that make boxing its own singular art seem to have drove mike thru each side of that perimeter. thus considering where he grew up & the ferocity he brought into the ring, his outside the ring infractions at least have a basis for understanding.
but inside the ring, in his own element where the rules were clear & his ability to dominate paramount... I just dont get why you can give a pass to the bush league, high profile & barbaric action he took in the holy2 fight.
wasnt it mike who used to speak so earnestly about the past greats... wasnt it mike who came of age under one of the elder respected sages of the sport who dated back to the louis era... & wasnt it mike who relished being compared in his prime to the upper echelon of past hvywt greats.
at 31 mike knew the game.
to this day watching the replay, esp the 2nd time he bit him... it's cringe inducing. he ridiculed & brought shame & disgrace to the sport inside its own roped sanctuary. He clearly knew he was going over the line & if he didnt then he shouldve literally been put away in a hospital for the mentally disturbed.
the bottomline is, mike didnt care about any of that... it was about me getting mines & screw the sport since I cant live up to MY past accolades.
how can such blantant disregard w/in the ring & w/o any tangible contrition be red carpeted into a hall under 1st year contention?
explain how doing so doesnt sully & dilute the institution itself.
by doing so you concurrently minimalize his action & inturn marginalize the integrity of the sport. In sum in crowning him you dishonor past greats who held respect of the sport & honored the lines w/in the ropes.
Last edited by HandToMouth; 05-22-2008 at 09:30 AM.
Of course some boxing writers did a GOOD deal for the sport of boxing.
Not sure how they became a part of the 'elite' . . .most sports-writers make crackers in terms of salary.
Without the writers all we'd know of most boxing pre-1915 is tall tales and some photographs
Has a category for Combatants and a category for Non Combatants.
One group does not steal votes from the other.
It's not as if a "writer" would take away a vote from or nudge out a fighter from being inducted in any particular year.
So I'm not seeing what the issue is.
Non Combatants=Non Fighters, whihc would include managers, writers, promoters, publicists, Referees, Broadcasters and Historians as well as "others" such as patrons. IE the Marquis of Queensbury.
No one is stealing anyone's lunch money.
Some good points made there Hand to Mouth on Mike's conduct in the Holyfield ear biting fight, truly was a wrong thing to do in public, not an alley maybe but in a big fight it was despicable.
We all have different tastes in writers and I respect that but to include one or two of those in the same breath as the other greats, is making Ted Sares' point of friends voting in friends who are so far off in another category its like a 5th grade essay author getting into the Pulitzer Prize category with a collection of stories written in crayon.
The voting process today is in the hands of some lads who really should not have a vote based on their limited experience in boxing. Some of those non participants should not be there at all.
Slam dunk first ballot HOFer. But does he really deserve it? I'm not talking about his non-ring criminal behavior, to me in every sport that is irrelevant.
For instance I don't care how much coke Lawrence Taylor snorted. What matters is the mayhem he caused on the field & that Taylor played his heart out, EVERY, single, down.
Can we say the same about Leg-Iron Mike Tyson?
He dogged quite a few fights & biting Evanders ears & the miserable way his career ended...
I take all of these things in account because they were crimes against BOXING. If Tyson hadn't been such a crazy son of a bitch the boxing world would be VERY different today.
He could have been to boxing what Jordan was to B Ball. He could have created a major resurgence of interest in boxing, instead it's slowly twisting in the wind because it has become a truly minor league sport in the eyes of the general sporting public.
But "could have beens" is ultimately a waste of time. He is what he is, total, fucking, detritus.
I would add that if Tyson were not voted in I would understand that very well for the damage he has done, also that some of those writers do serve a very great purpose and I respect them with all my heart for immortalizing the great fighters we all love.
Pat Putnam was great, and the love Mike Casey has for boxing is true dedication as with many others, a valuable asset to us all.
Heck, I could have just as well listed Mike Marley, Phil Pepe, Bill Gallo and Lester Bromberg, writers I don't or didn't particularly care for. But that wasn't the point here.
In fact, Many of the names I listed are NOT inducted in the IBHOF. Hell, Most that I listed Are NOT. Those Actually IN the IBHOF, as Non Combatants, I think you would be pleasantly surprised that there is far less "cronyism", than is being intimated here (see below).
The REAL point is WITHOUT the writers, where would we have gotten the articles and books and newspapers and magazines that I think I can safely state that EVERY boxing fan had as a part of their daily life as it pertained to the sport.
Today it's the internet. And we here at CBZ are blessed to have Mike Casey writing TOP NOTCH stuff that educates each and everyone of us who follow the sport.
If I had a vote and Mike was on the ballot, Non Combatants of course, He'd get mine.
Here is a list of Writers and Historians Currently inducted at the IBHOF:
Nathaniel S. Fleischer
A.J. Leibling
Gilbert Odd
Dave Anderson
Lester Bromberg
Jimmy Cannon
Ralph Citro
TAD Dorgan
Jack Fiske
Bill Gallo
Reg Gutteridge
W.C. Heinz
Jersey Jones
Hank Kaplan
Joe Koizumi
Harry Mullan
Barney Nagler
Damon Runyon
Budd Schulberg
Bert Sugar
Stanley Weston
Is there an "Ingemar Johansson" or two among this group? Sure there is. Gallo would get my vote. Are there writers missing that SHOULD be in? Absolutely.
But I think in looking at the list, pretty much it is solid and does NOT smack in the face of some of the cronyism that has been alluded to here.
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crimes against BOXING. ... GorDoom, great line. it crystallizes my point about not what he did outside the ring (it doesnt help things, but shouldnt keep one out of the hall), but instead inside it.Originally Posted by GorDoom
unlike a ray leonard, what has mike done to try to help or revamp some of the carnage he left to the reputation inside the sports ropes.
tyson blew the sport up to heights not seen in some time, but his actions, imo esp holy2 sustained it about as good as a child's blown bubble.
too many good people left trying to put the pieces back together & put the sport back on the wall... 1st year hall w/o iron mike becoming part of the solution is only humpty dumpty appeasement.
Nathaniel S. Fleischer
A.J. Leibling
Gilbert Odd
Dave Anderson
Lester Bromberg
Jimmy Cannon
Ralph Citro
TAD Dorgan
Jack Fiske
Bill Gallo
Reg Gutteridge
W.C. Heinz
Jersey Jones
Hank Kaplan
Joe Koizumi
Harry Mullan
Barney Nagler
Damon Runyon
Budd Schulberg
Bert Sugar
Stanley Weston
Good and credible list of boxing writers, who deserve to be there, although I do not feel Nat Fleischer's writings or outlooks should automatically get him in there, just because he was the Editor of a boxing magazine. I read a lot of his stuff and his views at times were very questionable and judgment clouded.
Sometimes the "Editors" are not good writers themselves but are politically connected which in boxing gets things done like a seat at ringside or a commentator job, whether it is an appointment to a position which is undeserved, or a friend got them the job after much much buttering up, its not Hall of Fame stuff at least not the International one.
To be mentioned with the greats one has to be great, as if on a level with them. The voting has changed through the years and has fallen into some inexperienced hands, not so much Cronyism, but missing the mark.
Otherwise it will become so diluted it will be like pound per pound my favorite fighters are Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, and
Chuck Wepner. Same thing with writers.
On the same page as far As Fleischer goes.
I'd vote him in for starting up the RIng, whihc was an important magazine for the sport if for no other reason than the ratings. But not necessarily his writing acumen. Whihc I have never really cared for to be honest.
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I consulted TSN, ESPN, and NHL.com to make sure there wasn't a mistake – Jonathan Quick allowed four goals on only 15 shots against the Wings. A rare off night in what has been a truly spectacular season.
Zetterberg finished with three points and five shots on goal. He's turning around what was a below-average season (by his standards).
Brendan Smith had an assist and saw almost three minutes of PP time. So glad I have held on to him for the last few years in my keeper – he has played his last game in the AHL. Looks so composed and so impressive right now.
Gustav Nyqvist played less than 13 minutes, but he found the score sheet with a single helper.
Filppula had three points, as well. Do the Wings try to extend his contract this summer? He has one year left on his current deal, and he's been fantastic for them this year.
Filppula has 11 points in his last five games. Wow. Like David Clarkson, I was about two years early with my breakout projections.
Zetterberg is just as hit with 12 points in his last six games.
Jeff Carter had a goal and a helper for the Kings yesterday – his production has been underwhelming so far, but he can't be wholly blamed for the anaemic LA offense.
I am not looking to offend any Kings fans, but is there a more regular diver in the league than Dustin Brown? Other contenders – Tootoo, Kesler, Ott, and Derek Roy.
Del Zotto missed the game with what is believed to be a sore hip.
Chicago's big guns were dominant – Sharp, Hossa, and Kane all had multi-point games. Deadline acquisition Johnny Oduya had two points, including the game winner. He's getting lots of ice time and his mobility is going to take (a bit of the) pressure off of Keith during the postseason.
The Jets chose to start Pavelec back-to-back, and he looked tired. Can't blame him after facing almost 50 shots in Vancouver last night. He allowed five goals on 27 shots in Calgary.
Alex Tanguay had four points for the Flames, and Olli Jokinen and Jarome Iginla each had three points. How much is Jokinen going to cost Calgary to re-sign?
Matt Stajan played over 20 minutes, and he finished with two points and four shots on goal. A sign of things to come?
Mike Cammalleri missed the game but should be back soon.
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Is it worth mentioning that Wojtek Wolski has three points in his last six games? If it isn't, I just did anyway.
Jarome Iginla has scored at least 28 goals in 13 straight seasons. Extremely impressive consistency.
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A very thorough look at Marc-Andre Gragnani, from a Buffalo perspective – right here. An excerpt:
"Little went right for the defenseman this season, but it's astonishing how quickly people let his good traits slip from their memory. The same person who eventually became a dominant force in the American Hockey League, then scored an overtime goal that brushed the Carolina Hurricanes away from a playoff spot that they too were chasing and who was equally inspirational in Buffalo's short-lived postseason, was now enduring the wrath of supporters.
Nothing extinguishes one's success from the past as suddenly as their present woes. Clumsy turn-overs and futile showings haunted him in 2012, even though he prospered beyond belief only one year earlier.
Whatever happened to the patience that Buffalo preached for its prospects? Are people so quick to give up on a player because of one bad campaign? Does anyone, during the worst of times, still keep in mind that it's a process?"
What does Steve Tambellini have planned for the Oilers blueline next season? Does the team take a run at Suter? Would he sign there? Do they dangle a young forward in a trade? I won't use this as another opportunity to criticize Tambellini's mismanagement of the team, but his track record here speaks for itself. Assuming a top four of Whitney, Petry, Schultz, and another defenseman added is the group – is that playoff calibre? How far off are the prospects?
Zach Parise is my favourite player in the league. He is skilled and incredibly tenacious – a rare combination, to say the least. Hockey Wilderness takes a look at the summer ahead, one in which Parise will be highly sought after by at least 10-15 NHL clubs. My guess is Detroit, but the post I link makes a compelling case for both Tampa Bay and Minnesota.
More on a potential Radulov return, from Puck Daddy. Here is the important stuff:
"All that said … he's a game-changer. He's been a premiere player in Russia, and he's always had that unique ability to create his own offense, no matter the linemates.
You know where the Predators are in the offensive rankings? Ninth, with a goals-for average of 2.79. That's very much thanks to a power play converting at a 20.9-percent clip, which is second in the League.
What happens with a mature Alex Radulov out there with something to prove? Bad things for the rest of the Western Conference, man. Bad things …"
Top 10 hits of the week - which is your favourite? Brendan Smith already throwing his weight around...
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derek said:
Radulov is on steroids...he cant control his temper. I dont have proof but I am guaranteeing it. He plays in the KHL, he is rocking back n forth on the bench, and his temper is terrible. Steroids...book it.
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FORT MEADE, Md. — As a military prosecutor held up a knotted bedsheet in court, Pfc. Bradley Manning acknowledged on Friday that he fashioned a noose and contemplated suicide shortly after his arrest on charges of engineering the biggest leak of classified material in U.S. history.
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Manning testified that he stood naked at attention during a morning head count one day after a guard appeared to object to his use of a blanket to cover himself. He said he had been put on "suicide risk" the previous day, and stripped of all his clothes at night, after he told a guard that if he really wanted to kill himself, he could do it with his underwear.
The testimony came on the fourth day of the hearing and marked the first time Manning came face-to-face with prosecutors in court. The hearing is expected to continue into the weekend.
The 5-foot-3 soldier looked youthful in his dark-blue dress uniform, close-cropped hair and rimless eyeglasses. He was animated, often speaking in emphatic bursts, swiveling in the witness chair and gesturing with his hands. More than a dozen supporters were in the courtroom.
Fein, the prosecutor, said that during eight visits Manning received when he was in brig, the soldier either said he was doing fine or didn't complain about his conditions.
In one recorded visit, a friend asked Manning if he had to perform hard labor. Manning responded that he just had to sit a lot.
"It's not that bad, like people back in the Victorian age. Because you can just sit there and think a lot," Manning said, according to a transcript read by the prosecutor.
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