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could someone please recommend a few day trips from Nusa Dua
Troppo Zone Puri Rama Resort
Can anyone comment on this accommodation?
Looking for something budget value for money, good location and a balcony.
am open to suggestions, just a bit over googling hotels - they all look the same after a while.
thanks appreciate
Can anybody recommend a tailor near Dynasty in Tuban?
Hi going to Bali on these dates , was meant to be with my ex gf but she done me over. First time travelling and rather nervous ! Is anyone else in the same situation and want to meet up
I am interested in a rafting tour in Bali.
I am wondering what choice do I have?
I was having a look at some websites.
Now I am having the impression that 20 companies are doing the marketing for 2 or 3 tour operators.
Preferably I would like to book at the tour company itself, and not a pricy website operated by an american company.
How many boats are rafting down at Ayun river every day?
In the marketing it looks like only one in the morning and one in the afternoon.
And that cannot be true.
I guess there are plenty of them going down the river.
I am looking into a trip to go to Bali for a few weeks in May. I have been there before so I know of good places to go and am wondering if anyone will be going as well?!
Canadian boy, 27
We are 7 families travelling to Bali in end of June, we have grown up kids hence we are confused on the area we should stay
We love beaches with some night life
Our preference wit=ll be pure vegetarian food, we are coming from India
Please advice on the location
Looking for something budget value for money, good location and a balcony.
am open to suggestions, just a bit over googling hotels - they all look the same after a while.
I know there is some quaint awesomely cheap accommodation but I find it very difficult to scroll through website accom and would prefer personal recommendation.
we are 3 middle aged girls just looking to kick back for r & r drinks on our room balcony and a stroll to things to see and do.
all advice will be greatly appreciated.
My trip to Bali was delayed in the past year, and was re-schedule to next June.
I'm thinking in the right itinerary and i need some help:
- What's the best airline company to book the flights between those islands?
- Is it possible to fly direct from Yogyakarta to Lombok? Or I need to return Bali and then take the flight Bali-Lombok?
- How the best way to book the flights?
Im going to Bali Tomorrow - 23 of April, my first singel trip.
Anyone interesting in meetring up?
I was supose to travel with my boyfriend, but thing changed and im traveling by my self.
Norwegian girl 27
My friend and I (both female in our 30s) are going to Bali for 8 nights in June. Wondering what other travelers recommend for us to do in that week? I want to avoid Kuta but I do want to do yoga in Ubud. We are not big on surfing, diving or snorkeling but would like to be by the beach for a bit. Do we have time to go to the Gili island or Lombok? We'll hire a driver. Thanks very much!!
Hi All,
Me and a friend will be going to Bali in a week :D (just found this forum and think its great) we want do do as much as we can from extreme like rafting and diving to not so extreme like spa treatments and shopping ;) but i think were going to miss out on some things. Does anyone recommend anything? I don't want to miss out on anything or at least know my options. Please, any suggestions/ ideas are a great help.
Thanks heaps
Is there anyone traveling to Bali between 8th and 23 of April?
Me and my (x) boyfriends has planned a trip to Bali for 4 months ago. we were both really exited about the trip.
Last night i found out that he has been cheating on me with a girl over a long time. now i dont know what to do. the plain tickets cant be refound and i really dont wanna stay home. I have never been traveling alone and i am a bit scared of doing so. The plain leaves this sunday morning.
is it easy to meet new people? where are there most singel travelers on Bali? any advices?
-heartbroken girl 26
Can somebody recommend a nice 4 stars hotel at Kuta central area.
We are planning to travel in Bali next month, we would like to hire a driver for 4 full days.
Any good driver in Bali can recommend us for comparison?
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Yup, you sure can't paint all dog parks with the same brush I actually stopped going to mine because my vet pointed out that since it was such a very small space, the chances were good that there were nasties there that I didn't want my dog exposed to. Good point.
You can't seem to avoid DA dogs unless you never leave your own back yard these days. I guess the main thing is to have the confidence to deal with them.
Anyways...I tend to chime in on these threads because they generally turn into, "I had this one experience one time and that's why dog parks are bad" threads. No one ever posts about great experiences at the dog park, or that they went to one, their dog ran around, and nothing happened. It's always "my dog got attacked!" which leads to everyone else throwing in their stories.
I think dog parks have a place in this world. I think there are very good ones and there are bad ones. If you can have control of your dog, and understand/can read dog body language, you'll probably do alright in one. Most of the dogs at the dog park are not aggressive and are very friendly. The ones around me are very well "self-policed" where aggressive dogs and their owners are shunned and tend not to come back. We also have small dog areas which are never used and are therefore perfect training spots...its awesome being able to practice a long down/sit with other dogs on the other side of the fence sniffing at my boy...best proofing ever IMO.
i also used the dog park as a training tool. also helped get rid of my dogs reactivity. i only went when there were a few dogs in the park so i can control the situation. i stopped going at 6 months though after i felt there was no more need to go.[/QUOTE]
I haven't taken Shikha to a dog park yet. How did you use the park for training? I'm very interested to hear more about that! Thanks.
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LOL, good times with the boxer! That must have been great
So a dog park...I always tell people you have to look at your dog and figure out if they're ready for a dog park. My dog was perfect for one until he turned one, after that, a few squabbles, I just didn't have the same fun time that I used to. I was always worried/watching my dog to make sure nothing happened. I've probably had issues, or run into idiots, less than 1% of the time that I've been at the dog park.
|I haven't found a dog yet that wasn't able to turn around. Dogs from the streets or shelters always turned into what I though they should be. This is my personal experience and I'm sure not everyone will agree, but it is what it is.
We started going to parks after 20 weeks, but tried to play with smaller dogs and puppies. We did not let this happen:
"It made me start thinking about dog parks, and how he would be affected if I took him to one and let a pack of dogs rush up on him and try and chase him...."
Gsd puppies also have soft bones/joints, you don't want a bunch of dogs knocking him all over the place.
We developed a very strong bond by protecting our pup, he got a good scare once from a toy possessive dog and he ran to me and sat behind me! He knew he was safe with mom. Now he is big and he can play with small dogs and puppies because he does not play rough, just runs around. When we get our second pup, he will be a great babysitter.
Thanks for the comments and discussion everyone. I just wanted to say, I don't think it's the dog's that are the problem. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I think it's the people, and apparently I live in a not-so-well-regulated dog park area, because there are always people with a dog on a leash, yelling for others to keep their dogs away, or people with a toy yelling at others to keep their dogs from taking the toy, and of course the bully dogs with no manners, etc.
I tend to agree that a dog with solid genetics can recover from most "trauma." Although I'm not sure if I think that even a genetically sound dog, viciously attacked (like hospitalized) won't develop dog aggression/fear, and I'm not sure if I believe it can overcome that. I'm sure there are some stories of it working, and I have two dogs I know, that were very genetically stable....one was viciously attacked as a puppy. The other was attacked twice by a dog breaking the long down in a trial. Don't know how the puppy is going to do (still recovering), but the older dog has some dog aggression now.
I'm of the mindset that just because the dog is genetically sound and can recover, I don't want to put him in a situation where he can be bullied and defenseless, because he is only 12 weeks old. I also don't feel the need for my dog to interact with all dogs, I actually rather he just be completely neutral to dogs.
My corgi LOVES dog parks and almost ALL dogs. He's way faster and way tougher than most dogs he encounters but LOVES running and chasing. I've yet to meet another dog that can keep up with him, and if they get too close, he'll actually barrel roll underneath them and change directions, it's pretty hilarious.
There is one dog park I'll frequent, it's 1000+ acres, unfenced, and is really just off leash walking trails, where dogs run into each other, greet, and then we go on our merry way. There isn't a closed in, forced interaction.
Back to my original thought though, how many dogs in shelters or out in the world labeled "problem dogs" by their owners....Are genetically sound dogs, that had crappy life experiences, that made them that way? Are you saying if it was a genetically sound dog it wouldn't show ANY stress or ramifications from continued crappy interactions? I think a genetically sound dog can recover, but needs training and assistance to do that. Again, I am speaking towards dogs continually bullied, one or two attacks, etc...or a dog that becomes food aggressive because the owner sticks their hand in his food dish constantly. I just wonder how many dogs that were thrown into a shelter, or labeled as "problem" dogs, actually just had really crappy experiences, and need to be shown that they can trust again. Just wondering if the behavior problem is too quickly thrown up as genetic, when it could have much more to do with the environment.
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In a recent Huffington Post piece, Carl Pope from the Sierra Club calls out the American Petroleum Institute for forming a political committee that will contribute to congressional candidates. What does Pope find so damning? According to API's executive vice president for government affairs:
"At the end of the day, our mission is trying to influence the policy debate."
This, to Pope, is completely unacceptable. He states that "[i]f API is making its campaign contributions to influence the policy debate, then it is engaging in bribery."
Bribery? That's a strong word. If Pope is right, then all sorts of things that people legitimately do to influence public policy should be considered bribery as well. Every election season, millions of people make campaign contributions. They do it so that candidates they agree with get elected and pass laws and policies they favor. Are all of these people guilty of a federal crime?
Or what about the actions of legislators themselves? On the floor of the House and Senate every day, Congressmen "horse trade" by agreeing to vote for one another's preferred legislation. In the recent health-care debate, congressional leaders scrounged for "yes" votes by making the "Cornhusker Kickback" and the "
There is no way that anyone can take API's relatively innocuous statement and, with a straight face, argue that it amounts to bribery. The federal bribery statute says that "[w]hoever directly or indirectly, corruptly gives . . . anything of value to any public official with intent to influence any official act shall be fined under this title . . . or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years."
So, for there to be bribery, there must be something "corruptly" given. Without any evidence of an actual quid pro quo, a legal campaign contribution is just that: legal. It's certainly not corrupt. All API has said is that it wants to influence the policy debate, which is true of everyone who makes contributions or speaks out during elections. The Sierra Club is a good example.
If speaking out and seeking redress from the government is bribery, then the entire American system of representative democracy is corrupt to its core. There are certainly many things the government does that it should not, and it is not surprise that a lot of Americans line up and ask the government for various goodies. To end this groveling, we must reduce the government's power to hand out goodies in the first place. It is emphatically not to say that certain disfavored speakers should be silenced. A government of unlimited power that listens only to certain select groups is a recipe for disaster.


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The Exalted Amateurs
Poker is one of the few arenas where money can buy an amateur the chance to bust a pro
Michael Kaplan
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Sylvester Stallone, July/August 2010
Poker night is a big event for Jerry Buss. Buss, who's owned the Los Angeles Lakers since 1979, tells me that his regular game stands out as an anticipated highlight most every week. In that regard, he shares something with millions of other Americans. However, when Buss buys in and looks across the table at his opponents, it's clear that he plays in a different league. Jerry Buss's tablemates are likely to include well-known pros such as Barry Greenstein and John Hennigan. The stakes are mind-blowingly large and the level of poker does not get any higher.
Everybody at the table-including Buss-realizes that it will be a struggle for him to leave the game a winner. But for Buss, the sizable stacks of $100 bills at risk are beside the point. "The sums are not significant to me," says Buss, who has been widely described as a billionaire. "The only thing significant is this: Can I compete against the best poker players in the world? Playing against people who are similar to me [in terms of their skills] is not significant. If I can beat champions on one out of three occasions, that is significant to me."
Buss ranks among an elite group of recreational poker players. They tend to be extremely successful, as competitive as Olympic athletes and are all but consumed with the game. Buss and the others-a diverse coterie that includes Hustler publisher Larry Flynt, Texas banker Andy Beal and California-based real estate investor Bob Safai-go out of their way to play against the most notorious card sharks in the world. Not so different from divers who court trouble with real sharks, these well-heeled businessmen can often be seen in Bobby's Room at the Bellagio or on TV shows like "High Stakes Poker." They are challenging themselves and aiming for adrenaline rushes that even the most high-flying careers can't provide.
Eric Drache, former poker pro and currently a producer of "High Stakes Poker," has seen more than his share of wealthy amateurs mixing it up against the professionals. I ask him what drives them to do it. "There's no other activity where you can enter right at the top and compete," says Drache. "There are a lot of guys who would pay to do it in baseball or the NBA if they could. In poker, you put up your money, you sit down and you play."
That said, Drache points out that it would be a mistake for me to underestimate these exalted amateurs. "They're smart enough to have gotten their money," he continues. "Their only fault is that they haven't spent 12 hours a day for most of their lives playing poker."
During the course of writing this article, I happen to find myself in a Las Vegas poker room. A few feet from where I stand, a game is going on where players can easily win or lose six-figure amounts. I recognize an amateur occupying one of the seats and ask a friend of mine (a young pro who I consider to be a favorite in this game) whether or not the amateur, who'd made a significant fortune in business before retiring, is any good.
"Yeah," my friend tells me. "He's a good poker player."
"Really?" I reply, a little doubting. "So he's a winner in your game?"
"No," my friend says. Then he laughs and adds, "He's not that good."
The point being that the retired businessman is skilled enough to beat a lot of guys at poker. But he chooses to play with people against whom he stands little chance of succeeding. I pose this incongruity to Aaron Brown, who wrote The Poker Face of Wall Street and manages risk for AQR Capital Management, a hedge fund based in Connecticut. Brown is a good person to discuss this with, as he knows both sides of the coin. In the late 1970s and into the '80s, Brown played poker professionally and gambled at blackjack as a means of meeting desirable opponents. He also traded options, went to grad school and did computer work. He never stopped playing poker, but, over time, poker stopped being the most profitable thing in his life.
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I am so tired of hearing how the Tate catch was called wrong. Multiple reviews confirmed the catch. And Tate clearly had BOTH hands on the ball. So a defender got shoved . So what . They never call PI on a hail Mary.
Justin Forsett 'touchdown' stands after Jim Schwartz's botched challenge try
The crew of replacement refs responsible for the most controversial moment of the 2012 season — Golden Tate's "game-winning" "touchdown catch" against the Packers — can now feel a little better about themselves.
In the third quarter of the Lions-Texans Thanksgiving game, Texans back Justin Forsett ran up the gut for eight yards before being tackled by Lions defenders.
)One problem, though: The refs didn't see Forsett's knee and elbow clearly hit the ground, and didn't blow the play dead. Recognizing this, Forsett got up and kept running for an 81-yard touchdown ([si_launchNFLPopup video='c89f0f2373b9428385302fc8444b5cdc']watch the run[/si_launchNFLPopup]). But the play, as all scoring plays are, would be automatically reviewed and clearly reversed, right?
One problem, though: Jim Schwartz threw a challenge flag on the play. Due to a rule that could at best be described as ridiculous, and at worst mind-bogglingly non-sensical, any time a coach challenges a play that would be automatically reviewed, not only is the team flagged 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct, but the automatic review is negated.
The result? Forsett's touchdown was allowed to stand, narrowing the Lions' lead at the time to 24-21 and sending the Detroit crowd into a furious frenzy.
You can fault Schwartz for not knowing the rule (especially after last week, when Mike Smith made the same mistake and suffered the same fate in the Falcons-Cardinals game). Schwartz himself could be seen mouthing "That's on me" in the call's aftermath. (Defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham directed his anger elsewhere.)
But you should fault the refs even more. This wasn't one of those "sometimes you miss things when the game moves so fast" situations; an entire crew missed something that anyone with semi-functioning vision and a basic knowledge of football recognized immediately.
But, really, most of the blame lies with the NFL. A bad call should be reviewable, no matter what. For the league to punish a team despite the gross negligence of the league's own employees, those charged with upholding the integrity of the game, is absurd. And all because Jim Schwartz had the gall to — gasp! — throw a flag? Can't you just tell him to pick it up?
Obviously, that's not possible. Instead, let's stubbornly refuse to correct an obvious mistake, all in the name of some arcane edict. Because that's where the NFL's priority lies — enforcing its rules, whether they make sense or not, sometimes at the cost of legitimacy.
And, now, it's Twitter's turn:
That was one of the most ridiculous things I have seen this season.
— Chris Burke (@ChrisBurke_SI) November 22, 2012
Waiting for the signs at Ford Field saying "Bring back the replacement refs!"
— Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) November 22, 2012
Officials rule TD for Forsett. Huh? Clearly down. Schwartz should be steamed. Replacement refs live!
— Clark Judge (@ClarkJudgeCBS) November 22, 2012
The Justin Forsett call is worse than the Golden Tate call. Guy was down (an elbow, a knee). And what's worse, it wasn't Arian!
— Dave Richard (@daverichard) November 22, 2012
Safe to say refs kicked #Lions in the groin by messing up that Justin Forsett TD call
— Anwar Richardson (@AnwarRichardson) November 22, 2012
Leave it up to Walt Coleman to introduce us to the worst obscure rules in the @nfl (Tuck Rule, Challenge Rule)
— Scott Kacsmar (@CaptainComeback) November 22, 2012
I thought all touchdowns are reviewed.Refs really blew that one
— David Canter (@davidcanter) November 22, 2012
Great breakdown, Tom. Could do without the Twitter shill, though.
I hate Detroit. I hate the team, the coach, Matt Stafford, Dirty Suh and virtually every player who has ever played, every coach who has ever coached and every idiot fan who has ever rooted for this ridiculous excuse of a football team. The only person ever associated with the Detroit Lions I can think of off the top of my head, who ever had any class or dignity was Barry Sanders, who walked away from the game 3 or 4 years early because he couldn't stand the stench that comes with being a Detroit Lion. Even the city of Detroit, aka The Armpit of America, and the State of Michigan are both completely detestable.
But no one, not convicted child molesters, evil dictators, insane mass murderers, or the vomit inducing Detroit Lions, deserves to get screwed like this.
That's an insane rule, NFL. Get rid of it now.
The procedure was followed correctly according to the rule. I hope, and believe, the rule will be revised so that the play will be reviewed regardless of the stupidity of the coach. The penalty should absolutely stay in place.
I also have one other comment about the stupidity of the NFL's rules and guidelines for officials.
As was mentioned in the broadcast yesterday, the officials are instructed to let the play continue if they have any doubt as to the result of the play.
that's fine in college where every play is automatically reviewed. The problem is the NFL doesn't have automatic challenges.
Let's take the same play as the Detroit game, but move the play to the 2:10 mark of the 4th quarter with Detroit out of timeouts. Lets also change the score into him getting pushed out at the 5 yard line. That play would not be reviewable because Detroit would not be allowed to challenge that play (no timeouts remaining).
The simple fact is the NFL needs to go to a college like review system where the replays all come from the replay official and coaches are allowed only 1 challenge per game (only lose it if they are wrong). The #1 job of replay is getting the call right, and the current system misses that.
Also, one more thing about the replay. They need to get better camera angles. That punt hit the Houston player, but there was no angle that definately showed it hitting him. That should have been a muffed kick, recovered by Detroit, which could have completely changed that game as well. I don't fault the referee for ruling the call on the field stands, because given the camera angles, there really wasn't a way to overturn the call.
I have no problem with the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty if you throw a challenge flag on a play that must be reviewed from the replay official. My problem with the rule is that you now stop what replay is designed to do, make sure the call is correct. The rule is stupid because it double penalizes a team. You get the yardage penalty PLUS the play can't be reviewed. Give the 15 yard penalty on the play, but don't compund the mistake by the officials and allow blown calls to stand.
PeteSauve, as for your intpretation of the rule. You are incorrect on a couple things. The replay official must initiate the review, which means he looks at the play then decides if it warrants further review by the referee. The inititation of the review is when he buzzes down to the field asking the referee to review the play. He may have been looking at the play on replay, but had not yet initiated the review by buzzing down to the field, which is when the review is actually inititated.
The simple point is the entire "we can't review the play" rule is assinine and needs to be changed. The point of replay is to get the call correct, and in this case a stupid decision (3 points were down, the knee, the elbow, and the back of the runners hand carrying the ball) is allowed to stand.
Seems that either the Replay Official didn't do his job, or the NFL is misapplying their own rule......Rule 15, Section 9: "(The Replay Official) must initiate a review before the next legal snap or kick and cannot initiate a review of any ruling against a team that commits a foul that delays the next snap."
The rule also states: "After all scoring plays...Replay Review will be initiated by a Replay Official..."
Since it was a scoring play, the Replay Official should have initiated the review immediately following the score. Unless Schwartz threw the red flag before Forsett crossed the goal line, the review should have been initiated BEFORE Schwartz had the chance to commit the delay foul. Nothing in the rules says a review that has already been initiated will be stopped and negated, if a delay foul happens.
Regardless of the intent, this is a penalty that 'Awards' up to 6 points for unsportsmanlike conduct. A very slippery slope.
The rule is there because the last few years too many coaches threw red flags to simply "Chat" with referees about previous plays/calls they didn't like and NOT about a reviewable play. This rule is because of THEIR actions.
As a Texans fan, I assumed the call would be reversed; however, the idiot threw the flag out of anger and impetuosity - behavior that pretty much describes his Lions teams since his arrival. Can't act the fool yourself and then expect your players to play cleanly and under control.
I hope the NFL changes the rule to allow the review and then keep the 15-yard-penalty against the coach next season. That way idiot coaches will still be penalized for arrogance/ignorance yet the call can be corrected if necessary - such as today.
This is the stupidest rule ever. Instant replay is supposed to correct bad calls, not to reinforce them. Thanks for calling the league out on this sheer absurdity. Somebody should be fired over this. Once again the wrong team won the game because of technicality. Where is the integrity of the game?
It really is a debacle. Can't wait to hear NFLs official explanation for why this truly moronic rule exists. What an embarrassment. I mean, they could even give hi a fifteen yard penalty (which *still* wouldn't make *any* sense, whatsoever) but negate a review? Incredible.
@Mike26 This whole fiasco started because the refs missed the call (Forsett down-on-contact), didn't blow the (whistle)." Where does that fit into your "procedure," Mike26?
Mistakes happen (refs), but Tom is right, "a bad call should be reviewable, no matter what."
@James C , actually you are incorrect -- or at a minimum, you're applying YOUR made-up rules as though they are the actual NFL rules.
First, "initiate the review, which means he looks at the play then decides"...........For a scoring play there is no "he looks" and "THEN decides." The decision is already made under the rules. There is no "decision" and therefore it is automatically initiated upon completion of the play (the whistle).
Second, "The initiation of the review is when he buzzes down to the field asking the referee to review the play.".........Please quote the rules that define "initiate" in the manner that you've interpreted. There is no such rule/definition. In fact, the rules state, "any Replay Review will be initiated by a Replay Official from a Replay Booth..." Meaning it's initiated IN THE BOOTH, not upon permission or by the Referee or anyone else down on the field.
(You're confusing "conducting" the review with "initiating" the review - "...All Replay Reviews will be CONDUCTED by the Referee on a field-level monitor after consultation with..." MY EMPHASIS)
Again, read the actual rules, and then we can have an informed discussion.
@PeteSauvé I totally agree. I downloaded the NFL Rule Book and read 15:9 a number of times and I think that it was misapplied in both the Lions and Falcons games. I wrote the NFL and asked them to point out the exact rule, section and paragraph that allowed what the refs did in the Falcon game, but of course they have never responded.
Upon further review.......it seems that Coach Schwartz DID cause the delay before the score. From another article.....Schwartz: "I had the flag out of my pocket before he even scored."
Now what about the Arizona-Atlanta game?
There already is a rule on the books that does that. It may not specifically say that, but it's there.
The rule is basically covering an act by a player not eligible to particpate in the play which prevents a score from occuring. The classic example is you have a RB running free down the sideline, and a defensive player jumps off the bench and tackles him preventing a score. By rule the officials can allow the score to stand. I think this act also results in an ejection to the player invovled.
I have never seen it happen in tackle football, but I've heard of it happening before.
I have seen it in flag football on a game I was working. The guy jumped off the sideline and pulled the flag at the 10 yard line, which by rule caused him to be down. We awarded the touchdown and ejected him for unsportsmanlike conduct.
@Mike26 Rule 15:9 provides for 2 types of review: 1) a coaches challenge; and 2) a refs request for review (automatic review). A coach is prohibited from challenging a play that comes under automatic review and the penalty for doing so in 15 yards. If a team commits a dead ball foul after the play, the coach cannot challenge the prior play. That means after a dead ball foul, that team coach cannot challenge the prior play. In the Lions and Falcons games, the coach committed a "foul" by attempting to challenge a play that was subject to automatic review, i.e. a refs request for review. The fact that the coach may be prevented from challenging the prior play should not mean that the ref is prohibited from his request for a review, i.e. the automatic review should still be done regardless of what the coach may or may not have done. The refs are misreading the rule and I challenge the NFL to prove otherwise!!! Read 15:9 - ir provides for a Coaches' Challenge, then for a Penalty for initiating a challenge when a team is prohibited from doing so, and then for a Replay Official's Request for Review. The refs are merging the 3 different provisions into one and that is provided for in the rules!!!
I completely agree with you on that. The penalty isn't the issue with the rule. It's the fact that the review can't be done that is assinine about the rule.
Everybody in the world knows he was down on the play, except the 7 officials working the game. Sadly, this play may have impacted the rest of the game. Even if Detroit is penalized 15 yards, but review takes the TD away and he is ruled down, that eats up valuable time from the clock. Houston may still score, but how will it change the clock management and decision making the rest of the way? We will never know.
@Mike26 Your post is clearly notbiased
@jss3rd2587 Here's the NFL's response to the Lions-Texans game. They underlines the part of the rule that I quoted. http://nflcommunications.com/2012/11/22/rule-explanation-from-houston-detroit-game/
@James C NFL rules do not apply to flag football! While flag games may have rules, there is no way that those calling flag games have read and studied all 120 pages of the rule book. Flag games are called using the most important rules that most fans know.
@Mike26 My prior posting should have finished by saying "The refs are merging the 3 different provisions into one and THAT IS NOT provided for in the rules!!!" rather than "The refs are merging the 3 different provisions into one and THAT IS provided for in the rules!!!"


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My daughter has attended D'Evelyn since 7th grade and is now a senior. Yes, the school has been tough, but I have found most of the teachers to be outstanding, kind and caring. Parents are very involved. Guidance office has been very helpful to my daughter. I am sure her grades would have been much better at another school, but she is learning so much here. I feel very fortunate to be a D'Evelyn parent.
How sad that someone wouldn't even look at a school because of a handful of internet postings. If you are looking for a rigorous liberal arts and college prep program at a public school price, then D'Evelyn is it. Expectations are set high for everyone, but the school provides a great support network for kids who need extra help. Behavioral standards are set high too - yes, some bullying / teasing occurs at the middle school level. But show me a middle school anywhere in this country where that doesn't occur. In our case, it was dealt with satisfactorily. Overall the high behavioral standards and clear rule structure creates a safe and engaging learning environment. Work load is heavy, but who doesn't have to manage a heavy work load to get ahead in life. It's great preparation for college and life beyond. D'Evelyn is a great choice school, particularly for kids who are college bound and/or really motivated learners.
I go to D'Evelyn and it's an good school the teachers are great and the curriculum is just great. And I'm very offended by the Dec. 14th 2011 post and sorry they feel that way about our school. That is not true everybody here is smart just shows it better in different subjects and we have potential and want to have fun at the same time and there is nothing wrong with that. So everybody I'm sorry if you or your child was bullied but you have to remember the people from your daughters time to your grand daughters time are way different. I hope everybody that this school is for everyone because this school taught me alot and I'm not the smartest person. And we all become somebody just in a different way then other people think is being a somebody.
Staff tolerates bullys. Twice in two weeks my son was harrasssed in P.E. class and the teachers response was dull. They thtow students under the bus to protect their awards. If your child is driven and has no life then send them here otherwise run & run fast.
im going here next year 4 7th grade! cant wait! its gonna b really epic
I need to meet the families of the other two reviews posted in February 2013. We are in the same boat as we definitely don't lean right. My child is getting a great education at this school, and has been very happy. He's embraced his teachers, and has learned to manage his homework well in 7th hour, so the long nights are only occasional. The curriculum is top notch. But there is a strong right wing, conservative culture, and its the only thing I don't like about the school. I find it a bit disturbing that there are bible study groups as electives - it would be less disturbing if non-Christian groups were also represented but the school is small so limited population to pull from. The small size is a huge bonus compared to all the other public school options in the area. I do agree that all the negatives do lend to some great dinner time conversation, and have actually led to considerable learning experiences. I hope to raise children who can look at all sides of an issue prior to making a decision, and regularly being exposed to alternative points of view goes a long way towards that end.
Oh boy! My family and I are moving to the Denver area and I have been doing extensive research on the schools. After reading the previous reviews (especially the one dated Dec 14, 2011by a parent) I will NOT be looking at homes in this school zone. I am not only offended, but disgusted by this parents' post. My child is finishing up 8th grade and is an honor student who has already started taking college courses. He has already received letters from colleges regarding enrollment. One of those colleges being Stanford. I would not even dream of sending my son to this school. If the mentality of the teachers are in anyway similar to that of the parent writing the post, then shame on you! If they are not, then you may want to figure out a way to remove the post. I would be embarrassed if I were the Principal.
Of course this school is not for everyone, no school is. That is why we have choice schools in Colorado. I am not sure if it is the best school in the state, but it is definitely one of the best choices in Jefferson County. The school definitely leans right, and makes no bones about it. If you do not lean right, and we do not, then the school provides teaching moments and discussion points over dinner. To me this provides an opportunity to discuss why I believe what I believe, and why others might believe differently. I think it is good to have these type of discussions. Expectations for students are high, across the board. Both for academics and behavior. While the home work load may be high my child who does play sports, is involved in other outside activities seems to be able to handle it efficiently using 7th hour time and "found time" so that time at home dedicated to home work seems fairly reasonable. But I will agree that students need to be motivated, and driven
I believe this is the best high school in Colorado; I give it 4 stars because it is not for everyone and not perfect. It is for average and above average students who need high standards and a rigorous curriculum to reach their full potential. Students with high self-motivation or creative intelligence will be stifled. Below average students can get a superb education, but they will put in a lot more work for a lower GPA than at their neighborhood school. The whole family needs to value substantive knowledge over grades or you'll go nuts. And if you are not a Bible literalist and a redmeat conservative, you'll have to have a thick skin and an ability to ignore a lot of silliness. E.g. the teacher who tells every class that you can not be a Christian if you believe in evolution. Or the Geography Dept that bought used textbooks already out of date when purchased for ideological (not budgetary) reasons. (I know this because I inquired.) The teachers just handwrote "the former" in front of the references to The Soviet Union. They finally got new online textbooks, but the fact that they were allowed to purchase this outdated tome and use it 15 years was ridiculous.
My children attended D Evelyn. I thought D'Evelyn would provide a private school education at a public school price. I was wrong. My children are above average intelligence tough not academically gifted and they struggled to get C s at D Evelyn. Student growth is a better indicator of a schools ability to educate then is School ranking. Your student s GPA, class rank and Act scores will matter more to Colleges then D Evelyn s ranking. Expect 4-6hrs of homework nightly. This is the secrete to D Evelyn s success, along with the 25% + drop out rate. Extending the school day and eliminating lower performing students, raises school ranking. D Evelyn does not help struggling students. We found it necessary to hire tutors, then later, to transfer our children to other schools. Childhood is about laughter, living and growing as a person, not just scholastic prestige. Expect tears, struggle and strife at D Evelyn if your child is not gifted, highly disciplined and self motivated. As D Evelyn says it is not for everyone. The school provides a good conservative moral environment. The families are great. Many of the teachers are remarkable though some are ineffective and uncaring.
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Please ignore the elitist and condescending prior review. Pick your school based upon honest and authentic feedback. You can still be somebody and work at Walmart and a $40,000 per year Ivy League college education won't make you better than anyone else. If that's the typical parent mentality at D'Evelyn, I'd be wary of a school perpetuating that.
ok this is the problem too many low scoring kids going to this school! If you just barely passed your csap scores in middle school then yes you will have a very hard time at this school! People that want to go to UNC or another average college might want to pick another high school, you can find many friends at Alameda! This school is for the dedicated kids that want to get scholarships to ivy league school! Too many parents are wanting their children to have fun in high school and find a bunch f friends that you will end up leaving anyways when you go to college! Get you kids involved in school and expect high scores from them to prepare them for the real world and not working at WAL-MART. Of course the students and staff pick fav's they do not want to be around stupid people, who does? Pick this school if you are looking to get scouted from a top college and be somebody!
I have to agree with someone who rated on here. The staff here t=do tend to pick favorites. Mostly the "cool" kids like the jocks and cheerleaders. Also the dress code isn't very appropriate, with lots of older girls wearing miniskirts and high heels. However good education and prepares well for college.
I'm afraid I must agree with the young person who posted a negative review--my youngest graduated from D'Evelyn where she learned wonderful study skills but was so burned out that she only went one semester to college. Fast forward years later and two granddaughters attended D'Evelyn. One was so badly bullied with no response from the administration that she left. The other granddaughter diligently did well over 3 hours of homework every night and then was put down by teachers who informed her that she really should look for a different school! I would love to see D'Evlyn return to it's earlier years of caring about their students as young people instead of just their scores!
D'Evelyn is not as good as everyone makes it to be. I have been at develyn since 7th grade and am currently a junior. I struggle with depression, and anxiety. At D'Evelyn they only want test scores. I don't feel like I belong even though I have a ton of friends. If I get a bad test score I am immediately put down by the teachers and the students. Everyone thinks D'Evelyn is great when really we have no social lives and the nerds at D'Evelyn say they like it because they already know everything in the books. The kids who didn't go to Dennison Elementary are the ones that have the biggest trouble. Like me. DON'T GO TO D'EVELYN
My student graduated from D'Evelyn several years ago. Yes, it was hard work. Yes, there was a lot of homework. Most of the teachers are wonderful, a few not so much. And every school has politics. But the result is a well rounded, VERY well educated student. ID'Evelyn is not for everyone. If your student is not willing to put in the effort, don't go to D'Evelyn. They expect a lot from their students. And they (students, parents, administrators) don't tolerate bad behavior, so the teachers don't have to put teaching aside to babysit. If I ask my student now, was it worth it, I would hear, absolutely yes! She has a great work ethic. She has been tutoring students older than she is all through college. She can write intelligently, problem solve, and is not afraid to challenge a professor, who lacks in teaching skills, in a diplomatic manner. You can go to another school, work less and get good grades. And in the end, the colleges probably don't care what high school you went to and how hard you worked. But it does make a difference to the student. By the way, Jefferson County-great school, less expensive to operate-why aren't there more schools like D'Evelyn?
I was a 13 year parent at D'Evelyn, with 4 kids in attendance. 2 graduated from there and 2 from Wheatridge. 3 had learning disabilities. All were very glad they attended D'Evelyn. The one who is 25 regrets not buckeling down more to have graduated from there. The 23 got her start in ethics and politics there. The 20 is on dean"s list and the 18 had crummy grades but great ACT's, no 4th year of math and admitted to 4 year state school. At D'Evelyn she felt like the dumb one. In the real world she feels very smart. All have worked and had scholarships to help pay for College. IT IS WORTH IT! No inflated grades. 2 hours of homework every night. 30 math problems every day. The diversity club died from lack of interest. If you want one, find a sponsoring teacher and have one again. Don't whine. Is it a perfect school? No. Is it the best school. Yes. Sometimes teachers or administrators are new. Help them to get up to speed. It is your school, parent driven, not district driven. You have much more power. Read the document on the web site. Go to the accountability meetings and be a candidate for the steering committee. Your influence does make a difference.
D'Evelyn gave me the opportunity of a lifetime. Thanks to committed teachers and a rigorous curriculum, it has set me on a focused path and prepared me for both college and future career endeavors. Teachers here develop intellectual students who enjoy learning, rather than students who go to school merely for the diploma. Indeed, D'Evelyn teachers make the students actually interested in the material. Also, having played a sport here for 4 years, I will undoubtedly vouch for this school's extracurriculars. Our teams have improved significantly each year, and are no longer the weak 4A teams we have been in the past. But remember, the most important aspect of the school is indeed the quality of learning. Oh, and if you're a kid, not a parent, don't worry about any lack of partying. Nuff said.
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Posted by One more Screwed by McAfee on 09/27/2007
LAS VEGAS, NEVADA -- I purchased a McAfee Total Protection software for $70.00 at a local store. I installed it into my computer and from the beginning I got error messages. Since then I have lost my protection so many times that someone was able to access my credit card information and make charges to it. After I finished cleaning the credit card mess I tried to fix the software through McAfee's "online" technical support" to no avail. That thing does not work! I finally contacted customer support and got the surprise of my life. I was told literally by Christopher G. (1-866-622-3911), a supervisor there, that if the software I purchased does not work, he was really, reeeeeeally sorry, but there was nothing he could do. If I wanted to get my software fixed,(I have done every single download, fix, update, etc.. from their web page several times in the last three months)I would need to get my credit card ready because Technical Support charge us customers to fix the software they sell!!! If we do not want to pay extra to have it fixed, then we customers are stuck with it and should go and buy some other product from some other company.
Just like that. I got all the conversation on tape!! I was also told that they would not refund the cost of the defective program because it was past its refund date. When I asked what about the program not working and not delivering the protection advertised and sold to us, he said that they were really very very very sorry!! The software is literally garbage!!! Don't buy it. You will have your credit card data stolen like me!!
I am going back to Norton!
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Posted by bho55 on 2007-09-27:
Are you running Windows XP or Vista? McAfee doesn't work with Vista yet. Check McAfee's website for a downloadable version that works with Vista.
Posted by fazie on 2007-09-27:
check into AVG instead, i have always hated MaAfee!
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-27:
I'm a huge fan of AVG.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-27:
I too use AVG
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-27:
DO NOT GO BACK TO NORTON! You think McAfee wrecked your PC? At least it's still running. Norton will make it a paper weight. Try AVG first.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-27:
I have the whole McAfee package on all my machines. It comes from Comcast, and works just fine, and yes it IS supported on Vista. The only complaint I have is that it is kind of unforgiving: If any machine in my house has not updated the virus definitions, every machine displays a warning message that it may be a risk, until I fix it.
I wouldn't go as far as to say I'd run out and buy it, but for free, it's a helluva deal.
Posted by Anonymous on 2007-09-27:
Interesting. My experience - Norton is junk and does not work ! I have System Suite and have not had any problems. Good luck.
Posted by One more Screwed by McAfee on 2007-09-28:
Thank you all for the heads up and the warning about Norton. I will check on the AVG software. I need something to protect my data and at this time, I am willing to try anything!
Tired of McAfee
Posted by KevyJ on 2009-01-28:
Try Webroot 6.0 or Trend Micro.
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Defective product
Posted by Laytonsmith on 04/21/2002
I had the last version of McAfee's anti-virus software. They 'updated' the software and I was not able to download the update. I spent several hours trying to get this to download. They sent me information that told me to uninstall the program. I was told that I would then be able to install the new version of the product. After spending several more hours on their web site looking for help and contacting a help person, I am still not able to load the product that I paid for. I requested a refund since I can't use the product now. I was told that they did not issue partial refunds. This is nothing but a rip off. When selecting anti-virus software, use anything but McAfee. The product may not work, they are of little help to fix it and then they will not refund your money. I am completely unsatisfied.
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Posted by Anonymous on 2002-04-21:
You should request a copy of the software/update file on a CD. Have them mail you a copy. You deserve it, you purchased a license of their software.
Posted by Anonymous on 2002-08-02:
I manage a lab and we had McAfee for my first year here. It was the buggiest piece of software on the machines. It conflicted with the Netware client (which may be fixed now) and the update froze after it crippled the old version. I had to uninstall everything, reinstall it, then attempt the update again. We use Norton AV now without problems.
Posted by Anonymous on 2002-12-26:
Get Norton - McAfee sucks.
Posted by Anonymous on 2003-04-02:
I purchased McAfee anti-virus program and it causes my computer to freeze at times and has to be removed and re-installed to make it work. Now I bought secure IE and Private IE and they don't seem to be able to put my purchase in MY INFO box so I have access to down load it. Is this to get people to buy the $9.95 disk they advertise? On top of the $43.41 they have already billed or are they to dumb to run their own computers for customers service.
Posted by Rocker on 2007-09-14:
This is the biggest rip-off company. DO NOT USE THEM! Run away from them as FAST as you can.
My mom just bought her laptop and paid this ripoff company. It never worked and they will not give her a refund nor a partial and it has never worked. When she called customer service (they are out-sourced )she spoke with someone from India and had a hard time understanding them. They also were not helpful at all.
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Mcafee should NOT have the right to take money from your bank account
Posted by Chemfan8 on 04/23/2012
Mcafee will automatically renew their service, and STEAL the money from your bank account. When you go to their site, it is impossible to find any way to cancel your service. They notify you that they will be stealing from your bank account on the exact day that they take your money, so that you have to request a refund from them. After searching extensively, I finally found an email address, and phone number. I've requested a cancellation (April 23/12), even though I've paid for service into June, in hopes that they return the money they have stolen from me, and remove my credit card information from their data base.
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Posted by ok4now on 2012-04-24:
Many companies are now using this "convenient" automatic renewal service. This horrible practice is nothing more than thievery. They probably hope that you won't catch it on your C.C. statement. Usually but not always you can opt out of the renewal. The details are buried in the fine print and you have to hunt for it.
To my surprise Consumer Reports has lowered themselves to this tactic. When they sent me the renewal notification the C.C. I had used was now expired. They harassed me with numerous emails insisting that I update my account. I refused to be bullied and comply with their demand. They lost a customer.
Posted by NoMoreMcAfee4Me on 2012-11-11:
Yes, the auto renewal is a complete sham. They also renew you over one month BEFORE you actually expire - so you buy a new version while losing money on the old version. This year, I called and told them, no more auto renewal. Amazingly enough, the customer rep I spoke with did not even make an effort to retain me as a customer.
So, I went online and purchased, from WINFERNO, a reseller, the 2013 version for - not $90 McAfee charges for an auto renew - but for $29.99. Once it updated itself on one of our computers, it destroyed the internet connection, rendering the computer useless! I downloaded AVG free version for now. To protect 2 computers it costs $49.99. Well worth the price, I'd say. Now we will see if I ever get my money back from McAfee. I also expect pro-rated additional refund due to their sneaky tactics of auto renewing you before your prior subscription is even over!
Posted by Leasa on 2013-08-24:
I have the same problem with McAfee and one other company taking money every year from my cc. I will cancel that card and get a new one. Lesson learned... they are nothing but thieves and trying to catch people who don't pay attention. Shame on them!!
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McAfee subscription problems
Posted by Clayteboy on 03/06/2009
I'm a new customer to Dell computers and McAfee security. I bought a Dell in mid-Jan. '09 with pre-loaded McAfee, 30-day trail. Upon set-up I received an automatic one-year sub. offer for what seemed to be a good discount. I thought it was worth taking advantage of so I followed the prompt to their site and subscribed for one-year.
I didn't know if this one-year service would start concurrently with the 30-day or begin at the end of the free trial but after 30 days I started getting messages and pop-ups that my Mc
Afee coverage was expired. I thought this was a mistake and was busy for a few days so kind of ignored it.
After searching on-line I'm finding others with similar situations which includes having to use McAfee on-line fixes that don't help, a customer service dept. that at least acknowledges I did pay for the service (I have the proof anyway on my credit card statement) and so far no pro-active attempt to help me - the paying customer.
I asked them to stop being silly and just fix things since they already acknowledged my transaction with them. Why make me jump through hoops and do this the hard way. I feel like they are steering me towards their fee based phone service which will cost more than I paid for the on-line subscription.
I would probably continue with them if they fixed this soon but don't get a good feeling. I wonder if I can even get a refund as I paid for the sub. on Jan 17th which means it may have expired Feb. 17th and I'm also doubting it actually started at the end of the free trial period that came on my Dell - highly unlikely.
I have not exhausted all avenues but they have opened two case numbers for me through their on-line tech. service centers but really provided no solutions. I haven't been able to stay on line long enough to conduct an extended chat with them so its been less than real-time assistance.
Just a warning to others and looking for advice.
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Posted by Soaring Consumer on 2009-03-06:
I suggest that you take some print screens of the messages telling you that the subscription has expired.
Dispute the charges and send copies of the messages to the credit card company.
I recommend uninstalling the McAfee program and installing Kaspersky - despite the higher price it is the best protection available.
Posted by clayteboy on 2009-03-06:
Thanks for the advice. I have the screens ready but just hadn't hit McAfee up with them yet. I also believe there is a Trojan trying to load on my computer as I continually get a request to download but it doesn't identify itself so I cancel and it comes back. Scanning my system hasn't identified it or removed it. I will look into the other security program you suggest plus I heard of one called Superantispyware I'm checking out. Regards, Pat
Posted by Soaring Consumer on 2009-03-06:
Your system is definitely infected. Maybe it is preventing McAfee from activating itself?
Whatever the case, it proves McAfee is a poor protection suite.
I recommend backing up your important files, formatting your hard drive, clean installing Windows, and installing Kaspersky.
BTW expect the same problems from Norton. On one of my co-worker's computers, he got a message that Norton could not update because its definition files got infected. This is Norton Corporate Edition I am talking about there!
Norton stands for Notoriously Obvious Ripoff Trick Offering Nothing. McAfee stands for Major C***py Application Finding Extra Emptiness.
Posted by clayteboy on 2009-03-07:
I'll keep working on this and post my results. I downloaded the free superantispyware program and it isn't detecting anything but its also not their best program and really don't know much about them and theirs always pros and cons for every program out there. The download message I keep getting has no identification that I know how to detect. It just says Updaterexe. Unidentified Publisher. I guess since my McAfee isn't working right at the moment it may have slipped in during a window of opportunity but I really believe it had started showing up prior to my 30-day trial expiring.
I will have to go slow with your suggestions as I'm maybe an average computer user so don't fully understand some of the more technical things. Do I just Google the program you recommend and do an on-line download or go get the program at Best Buy or similar store?
Thanks again, Pat
Posted by old fart on 2009-03-07:
Get AVG... it's free and effective..
Posted by Anonymous on 2009-03-07:
Best answer Old Fart, oh' wait there is no more best answer anymore... It's still the best answer, FREE and effective is always best.
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McAfee Tedch Support and Customer Service - Good Luck if you need them.
Posted by Glk on 10/29/2006
I'll make this short and brief as if i say what i would like to say the hall monitors here will just delete it again.
McAfee is fine when it is working right I guess, but heaven help you if it causes a problem on your machine and you need help. You can't email them. You can't call them on the phone. You have to contact them in a virtual chat room and the so called tech support pereson I dalt with unsuccessfully for two hours could not communicate in English and could not grasp the problem I was trying to explain. Sounded like he was reading from a script...if my problem did not fit the script then tough luck.....but oh I could pay $45.00 for a 'real live tech support person' to troubleshoot my problem that was caused by their software and 'maybe' be able to tell me how to fix it.
Finally I found my own way of fixing it...I just uninstalled thir goofy software and said goodbye to their usless tech support person. I could not even contact their customer service to request that they cancel my subscription and refund my purchase price. Obviously all they want is your money then thye don't want to hear from you again.
If you are unfortunate enough to buy any of their software, just don't expect any kind of help from their so called tech support when something goes wrong with it.
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Posted by Slimjim on 2006-10-29:
glk, we had a situation with a McAfee anti virus software for our firewall. The thing just wouldn't run with our OS. We went back and forth with them troubleshooting for months and they finally gave up trying to figure it so they refunded us. Communication wasn't our problem so I'll check with my techs tomorrow and see who we used as contacts there for you.
Posted by Slimjim on 2006-10-30:
I did check with them and we had a level 2 situation that was sessioned so the best I have for you is this phone number, 408) 992-8599 , and this linkhttp://cs.mcafeehelp.com/contactoptions.asp?usedPortal=True, which is session specific and will not take you to the screen,
but if you click "Technical Support" and select the product it will
guide you through to the contact page. Hope that helps.
Posted by Ponie on 2006-10-30:
I once purchased the McAfee software. After my two years of free downloads expired, I didn't subscribe for further 'protection.' Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, decided to offer it at no cost to their subscribers about a year and a half ago. I downloaded and uninstalled it numerous times but nothing helped with the slowing down of my computer that McAfee caused. Contacted Comcast about it several times, but I guess the people I talked to were related to the ones who work for McAfee's tech support. Uninstalled it and downloaded the free AVG program. Haven't had any problems since.
Posted by raybo7 on 2007-03-27:
I have been a Mcafee customer for about 3 years.
A few weeks ago, an update of the software was loaded onto my computer. WHAT A JOKE! My Dell computer instantly turned into a turtle and I could watch dust collect faster than downloads.
My high speed connection was slower than dial-up.
After trying to contact customer support (HA HA, and mcafee should not be able to use that term) I uninstalled the software this morning... I actually have my computer back. I am now going to buy something that will protect my system, provide service, and not slow my hardware down to a crawl.. Am I asking too much??
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VirusScan upgrade hung my system and destroyed my virus protection
Posted by Cronecon on 12/10/2000
I have a serious problem with McAfee
s VS 5.13 upgrade. An invitation to upgrade popped up on my screen
when I started my computer this morning. So I downloaded VS 5.13 as instructed. I rebooted my machine,
then tried to install VS 5.13. It hung. I left it alone for 1/2 hour; no action. I was forced to reset my machine.
Now apparently I have no virus protection, because this stupid upgrade hung after removing the prior version!
This is such a serious matter that I believe I will remove all McAfee software from my system and find another
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Posted by Truth on 2004-09-28:
Get Zonealarm pro , better all around , since I got it , no troubles!
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Does Not Stand by Product.
Posted by Srichards049 on 12/27/2013
NEW YORK -- When I phoned customer support at the 800 number listed on McAfee website, stated they could not help but could transfer me to helpdeskhub which I thought was part of McAfee, but had charged me to fix my computer. Later I found out that they should have been able to help me and when I requested a refund, I was denied. The charge was not theirs, but a different company,. Why would they transfer me to someone else?
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McAfee Internet Rip Off
Posted by Jonnee21 on 10/23/2013
SPAIN -- Auto renewal took money from CC that expired 12 months ago? Was badgered to renew my card detail with them telling me my old card had expired so confused how they took the money £59 99 from my bank. Took the a full 5 to 6 weeks before it was even up for renewal.
Disgusted with them as you can buy the product they offer online for £29. No better than the hackers trying to get into your PC, just bandits.
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Posted by Jzcraz on 02/26/2013
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA -- This is a total scam, this has ripped off two of my computers. I have read through complaint list and it sound like people are having the same problem that I am. I just got a new computer and never put this on it and it has been telling m that the subscription is expired and weather or not I would like to continue it at this time, I have had the same problem before so I clicked no and it won't go away, leaving me unable to use my computer.
MCAFEE IS A TOTAL SCAM, in my opinion, reading all of those complaints someone should SUE MCAFEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT THIS OFF MY COMPUTER!!!! NOW!!!!!!! It claims to be a antivirus company but this is a virus.
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Posted by Alain on 2013-02-26:
You could always give Symantec a try. I've had pretty decent service and use with them.
Posted by leet60 on 2013-02-26:
You might want to try the Mcafee removal tool. It can be found here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/McAfee_Consumer_Product_Removal_Tool_d5420.html
Posted by Obsfucation on 2013-02-26:
First of all, go to your control panel, Programs, and remove the Mcafee software. Then download a replacement. I have had excellent results with Micorsoft Security Essentials, and it's free.
Posted by trmn8r on 2013-02-26:
It sounds like you have one of those promotional installations that comes with the computer, and it flashes those annoying messages on your screen. If so, I'd blame the computer manufacturer as much as McAfee - they agreed to put that junk on there.
I've had this on two computers, and found ways of removing it by surfing the internet, removing it from startup items, the registry, etc. I think you need someone computer savvy to spend 15-30 minutes on it. It is possible it is a trojan or something, but it is probably just an annoying subscription scheme that you can remove.
I don't use virus protection myself, but then again my cars don't have collision coverage and I don't have health insurance (yet).
Posted by madconsumer on 2013-02-26:
mcafee and norton are both bloat ware. they hog system resources. mcafee nearly makes it impossible to remove once installed. there are several good removal tools written just for mcafee software.
try avg free version for a wonderful firewall and anti-virus.
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McAfee Preloaded Debit Card Rebate
Posted by Justice4you on 10/23/2010
McAfeee Fee
SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA -- Stores selling McAfee software offer enticing deals to capture customers. These deals often involve preloaded Visa debit cards. Customers are told they will receive a specific sum on a debit card in exchange for their purchase of the McAfee software. But when the debit card is eventually used to make a purchase, the customer discovers the amount on the card is not the same as was promised.
What the customer does not know when purchasing the McAfee product is that a $3 fee will be deducted monthly from the debit card after a short grace period. The bank will continue to remove $3 a month from the debit card until the card is drained.
If that happened to you after you purchased McAfee software, we'd like to hear from you. Visit McAfeeDebitRebateCard. com
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Posted by Alain on 2010-10-24:
Well, that's just damned sneaky. Thank you for the information!
Posted by nickafee on 2010-10-31:
So if this happened to me, what can I do?
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