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Why Are Atheists So Angry? - Comments
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:27:49 UTC | #601274
LOL "Rabbit" David Wolpe... Careful of those angry atheist hounds, David!
I'm angry because theists use fairytales and supernatural beings to defend very real-world but insane politics that directly affect my life!
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:38:57 UTC | #601281
The last two sentences say it all really.
Our first response to life should be gratitude and wonder that we share this remarkable world so far beyond our poor power to grasp.
Shows the ignorance of this mind set, lets' not try to understand or investigate. Let's not figure it out but just assume it was put there by some great power for some great purpose and think we assume we couldn't possibly understand something so great.
Now, let the derision begin!
Classic Atheist baiting. This is the religious version of "Come at me bro". Lets claim Atheists are angry and insulting, and then finish by goading so you can then say "Look at all the nasty comments, see they are mean. What do you mean I asked for it?"
This from a man who believes god once said "I'll swap you your foreskins for Israel"
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:50:45 UTC | #601287
Rabbi Wolpe, if you are reading...
We treat each other with exceeding courtesy;
we say, it's great to see you after all these years.
Our tigers drink milk.
Our hawks tread the ground.
Our sharks have all drowned.
Our wolves yawn beyond the open cage.
Our snakes have shed their lightning,
our apes their flights of fancy,
our peacocks have renounced their plumes.
The bats flew out of our hair long ago.
We fall silent in mid-sentence,
all smiles, past help.
Our humans
don't know how to talk to one another.
-Wislawa Szymborska
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:59:24 UTC | #601291
I had considered a long and articulate dissertion here in reply to Rabbi(t) Wolpe,individually addressing his confusing and simply untrue assertions.That was until I read comment no;2 fromMrkimbo, who actually states my exact opinion most succinctly thus:
We're angry because you and your ilk are a load of silly cunts who bore us shitless with fairy tales when life is short and there is much to do. Comprende?
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:02:49 UTC | #601294
In the first two points the author appears to get it. That is all I really ask for from my religious friends. As friends they should be able to understand how I feel. This guy seems to get it unlike most religious people I know. They seem to deny any connection and regard criticism of religion as beyond the pale rude.
There is an element of truth of in the third point. People who are religious leaders are trained and experienced communicators and know better than to get angry. Many atheists (such as myself) see society as a broken machine, religion as a major theme in the malfunction and are actually slightly shocked (albeit naively) to find that our views are not more widely held. This leads initially to incoherent anger. We actually need to wise up, get over this and start communicating our position without throwing irate insults - however much nonsense gets thrown at us.
The fourth point takes the biscuit - and crumbles the pieces into the toilet. All of us who are interested in science are absolutely awestruck at the shere awesomeness of what science has uncovered. What religion demands is like taking a window with a beautiful view over a lake, forests and mountains, covering it with a cheap wallpaper and demanding that we sit around all day saying how wonderful the wallpaper is and teaching our children how wonderful the wall paper is.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:03:30 UTC | #601295
This is a fairly thoughtful article: why should he get 2,000 angry responses for writing a piece about religion? If you're not religious, why read it? Why comment? I ignore articles on womens' fashion: it has absolutely zero interest for me. Do I feel compelled to post long comments saying what sad deluded fools they all are for wasting their time and money on these fripperies? No.
So Wolpe does raise an interesting question.
My objections are that, firstly, religion is still used as a cover for doing real harm, all over the world:
Catholics deny contraception to AIDS victims, or abortions to women whose lives are in danger.
Jews claim god told them to go and invade other people's countries by force of arms.
Islam... well, where do you begin on a spectrum from womens' rights to 9/11?
Secondly, even if as a secular atheist I would be quite content to ignore other people's beliefs and just let them get on with it, they won't let me do that. They are in my face, and in my family's face, all the time, and they assume that they have a right to do this, for obsolete historical reasons.
In Britain we have an established church. The head of state may not be a Catholic. The church gets 26 unelected places in the legislature (no other democracy does this). Every single state school, funded by taxpayers, is required to provide a compulsory daily act of Christian worship: four year olds get five religious services a week. In a country where less than 2% of us attend a service at the established church even once a week. A third of our schools are faith schools run by churches. Often, children of atheist parents are told, by the state, that their children must go to these schools, because of where they happen to live. Some of these schools produce kids who do not "believe in" evolution. Others produce kids who have had no sex education, and end up single mums aged 15.
Religions expect laws to be passed to accommodate their narrow interests - e.g. the huge row we had about requiring adoption agencies to consider gay couples; the recent cases where a hotel was held to be wrong to refuse entry to a gay couple; where a couple were held to be unsuitable to be foster-parents because they were homophobic... these religions think (still! In 2011!) that equality laws are for other people, that they are exempt.
And that's why I'm angry. Stay out of my life, and in return I'll ignore - and even defend - your right to practice whatever bizarre rituals you wish. Out of sight of my children.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:06:35 UTC | #601296
I'm sorry, is this an old article that he's found and decided to post? Every one of these issues has been answered many times before, not least in The God Delusion and Unweaving the Rainbow. As for 'religion's serious thinkers' - The Emperor's New Clothes, anyone?
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:07:57 UTC | #601297
There is an arrogant unwillingness to engage with religion's serious thinkers.
Wolpe, who has been debated (and often hammered like a prophet to a cross) by Harris, Shermer, Dawkins, Ridley, and Hitchens, apparently does not consider himself to be one of "religion's serious thinkers".
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:11:08 UTC | #601298
Why Are Atheists So Angry?
Partly because religious people will use literally any criterion for deciding whether to be theists other than whether evidence for theism's truth exists. Calling atheists angry is a good example of this.
How harmless is it to post an article about why people should read the bible on a site devoted to religion?
One's use of one's free speech is often harmless, but it may well elicit a critical, harmless response from others' free speech.
it evoked more than 2,000 responses, most of them angry. I had previously written a similarly gentle article about how God should be taught to children that evoked more than 1,000 responses, almost all negative and many downright nasty.
"Angry" and "nasty" are quite subjective concepts, and we could argue indefinitely about what percentage of the posts were like that. The important thing to remember is one is more likely to deem a critical post against one's work as "angry" or "nasty" than is someone else who isn't of one's own mind, and a post is more likely to be critical in the first place if the audience agrees to a lesser extent with the author. It's worth bearing in mind "disagreement" may be disagreement with the claims made, or thinking the arguments offered to support them invalid, or feeling lies, misrepresentations etc. are used, or feeling the author hasn't bothered researching the topic or authors they're discussing. Note none of these are genuinely personal attacks.
It is curious a religion site draws responses mostly from atheists, and the atheists are very unhappy.
A public site discussing a topic, even if it is pro one side, can expect a sizeable response from people of all views and none on the issue. What is more, the notions of "unhappy", "angry" etc. will be more likely to be ascribed by the author to those who disagree with him, for the reasons mentioned above (both the lens through which critique is viewed and who is likely to offer a critique).
They are unhappy with the bible, the idea of God and anyone who presumes to offer religious advice to the religious.
They are unhappy with thinking conclusions are reasonable due to the Bible asserting they are true, believing a god exists without evidence, praising the god of religious texts when the deities in question are often morally reprehensible in their described decisions, and (like most people) with efforts to propagate views they think are utterly wrong, whether as advice to those who already accept such ideas or as advice to those who don't (and, in truth, Holpe would have preferred his advice to be taken on board by non–religious people too).
Only the untutored assume religious people predominate on websites devoted to religion.
Does anyone assume that? What form does the corrective tutoring take?
In the past when I have debated noted atheists the audience was heavily weighted toward my opponents. Why seek out a religious site solely to insult religion? I wondered: Why are atheists so angry?
One isn't angry merely because one seeks to comment on a website where one's view may be in the minority or, as Holpe points out, the majority. It is not as if in any case the Washington Post's religion section aims to be pro–religious; it wishes to discuss religion per se. Holpe's criteria for assessing who is angry will result in him feeling that way about all commentators he encounters who disagree with him.
They are convinced religion is a fairy tale that impedes rational thought. No avalanche of counterexamples, from noted scientists who are believers to the way in which the scientific method has flourished in the monotheistic west (as opposed to say, the non-monotheistic eastern societies) will serve to dissuade. That which is understood to have happened to Galileo is all, apparently, one needs to know.
Religious scientists don't mean religion doesn't impede science. With millions of scientists in the world, it's interesting the same example or two keeps getting mentioned all the time, such as Francis Collins. Nor can we assume science flourished in monotheistic societies because of their monotheism; aside from the post hoc fallacy, one must wonder also why such societies took so long to do science, why they destroyed all the records they could of earlier science, and why that earlier science was done by those in polytheistic societies, and why in both types of society scientists have tended to be less mainstream in their views on religion and have become more so over time. The Galileo affair is noted not so much as an end–all point but as a classic example of how we should and should not think; accept science, and do not let any other way of thinking trump it. Unfortunately, religion continues to make people fail in this regard on a massive scale, and that is a powerful objection to it.
There is an arrogant unwillingness to engage with religion's serious thinkers.
Insofar as this is true, it could be because even the most thorough debunking of the views of one theologian only meets with "But you haven't done this one yet". There are too many theologians to deal with this; however, if any pro–religion argument actually worked, it would be so famous the bad ones would no longer be recited.
Too many internet users hope a couple of insults will substitute for argument.
There, fixed.
They suffer from the incredulity of those who cannot believe anyone would disagree.
Oh, atheists know others would disagree all right. Many atheists are former theists.
"I am right" becomes "you are stupid for disagreeing."
Atheist criticisms of religious writers on the Internet actually don't call the writer stupid very often. The rationality (only of the position at hand) is often questioned, but the individual's intelligence is not.
In a world in which so much is still not understood, to discount the supernatural is to lack the openness to mystery that should be a human hallmark. Firstly, we should aim to be rational, not "human". (Humans vary quite a lot.) Secondly, the use of the supernatural to "explain" the currently inexplicable doesn't actually work; it is an argument from personal incredulity, but offers no new insights. Thirdly, open–mindedness means being open to new ideas when evidence supports them, not at all times.
All of us ought to be astonished by our miraculous ability to talk, think, dream and disagree.
That's not miraculous; that would mean it violates physical law. Clearly it does not, as it is routine. It's really, really cool, but that's not the same thing.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:23:38 UTC | #601306
We're angry because we're so utterly frustrated.
We live in a world which is shaped by nonsense, and we don't understand why this should be the case.
This nonsense means that our children are taught boring lies, like the world being 6000 years old, when the facts are so much more splendid and glorious. The nonsense means that, in much of the world, gays, non-believers, women and all sorts of other people, live in terror because of their beliefs/sexual orientation/desire for independence/desire for knowledge. The nonsense creates divisions which need not exist, and sometimes, people kill each other because of these differences. The nonsense prevents the widespread use of sensible sexual practices, and causes the proliferation of aids and other diseases. The nonsense kills natural human curiosity and enquiry, so there could be a great many more thinkers and scientists, to learn about the wonderful, awe-inspiring mysteries of the universe, and teach them to the rest of us.
All of this nonsense exists because of irrational, stupid belief. And when we try to argue about how stupid and irrational those beliefs are, we face these problems:
The convention that it is 'disrespectful' and rude to criticize religion.
Ancient, crappy circular arguments - the bible is the word of god, and the bible says god exists etc.
The insane notion that faith is virtuous because it is not based on evidence. That somehow blind faith is better than knowledge, even though there can be no sensible reason for this.
The insane notion that 'god is true to me,' and the presentation of personal 'religious experiences' as usable evidence for the existence of god.
It really can be incredibly hard work, being an atheist, and it feels like we are banging our heads against a brick wall. It really hurts, but without the brick wall, the world would be so much better. That's why we're angry.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:26:07 UTC | #601309
I see no difference between the way of thinking displayed by the author, than with the ravings of a paranoid delusional schizophrenic who believes the voices in his head are real and are telling him what to do.
Epistemological humility -- the acknowledgment that we are at the very first baby steps of understanding -- is far wiser than arrogance on either side.
You and your ilk are the ignorant arrogant ones and you have not the slightest warrant to assert what evidence - real evidence - is:
"The mildest criticism of religion is also the most radical and the most devastating one. Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did. Still less can they hope to tell us the "meaning" of later discoveries and developments which were, when they began, either obstructed by their religions or denounced by them. And yet—the believers still claim to know! Not just to know, but to know everything. Not just to know that god exists, and that he created and supervised the whole enterprise, but also to know what "he" demands of us—from our diet to our observances to our sexual morality. In other words, in a vast and complicated discussion where we know more and more about less and less, yet can still hope for some enlightenment as we proceed, one faction—itself composed of mutually warring factions—has the sheer arrogance to tell us that we already have all the essential information we need. Such stupidity, combined with such pride, should be enough on its own to exclude "belief" from the debate. The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species. It may be a long farewell, but it has begun and, like all farewells, should not be protracted." - Christopher Hitchens, God is Not Great.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:31:09 UTC | #601311
Comment 14 by AlexP
Ok, let's take a look at Wolpe's points:
1: Am I angry with religion for the evil it has done, intensified or kept alive?
Yes. Definitely. But neither is religion the only source of "evil", nor are religious people universally in agreement with everything their religion says or commands.
I am angry, not with religion itself, but with men who treat it as divine, as special, as sacred. Of people who treat religious teachings with a reverence and respect unachievable by any "mundane" thought or opinion.
2: It is immensely frustrating, to say the least, when a persons remains adamant in his beliefs, even when they are obviously contrary to evidence, common sense and every other aspect of the real world he spends his life in.
What makes me angry isn't disagreement, not even unflinching disagreement. But rather the notion that to maintain your position regardless of the evidence is a virtue. That, the more obviously incompatible a belief is with a rational mind, the more laudable it is to hold onto it.
Yes, that does make me angry. Ignorance is not a fault per se, but willful ignorance is.
3: There are a lot of serious religious thinkers, but even more who never gave a real thought about their religion.
Frankly, I do not intend to engage religion on a theological basis. Partly, because the very foundation of any theology - "theos", god - has never been sufficiently ( or even remotely) proven, which makes every thought founded on this premise worthless until there is reason enough to consider a divine entity.
But mostly, I don't consider confronting religion theologically important. We don't care about your personal beliefs. They are completely yours. And as interesting and challenging as it can be to debate religion with an educated person, what matters is not to "eradicate" religion from everyone's mind, educated or not, but to remove it from the pedestal that grants it special rights and respect.
I am not angry that people are religious, but I am angry when religious feelings and religious rights are somehow worth more than their mundane counterparts.
4: Actually, that is a good example of what makes me angry.
The idea that trying to understand the universe is somehow devoid of awe, of wonder, of mystery and beauty - this idea I consider insulting. Because its completely to the contrary of what I experienced.
There is joy and wonder in understanding. When I learn the processes behind natural events ( or technical devices ) I do not shrug and complain "You spoiled it for me!". The universe does not feel smaller through explanations, it feels bigger, richer.
Isn't it far more interesting to find out just how a stage magician fooled us, to learn how he used our own expectations, our prejudice, our very way to think to mislead us - rather than just saying "its magic"?
The desire to understand is the beginning of wonder, not the end.
Also, I find it rather curious how many religions claim to have gained their knowledge from the most powerful and wise being in the universe, not from the small and limited human minds science must work with - but it is somehow science and reason that are "arrogant" and religion that is humble.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:31:19 UTC | #601312
Comment 15 by valla
Actually many people resent what religion is doing right now, and it's not only flying planes into buildings: it's basically its will to impose religious practices on everyone. Religious pressure groups don't limit themselves to lobby to defend their interests, which is legitimate, they lobby to impose religiously inspired legislation to everyone. This is unacceptable and I don't see why people shouldn't be angry about it. Why shouldn't I be angry if I will die for a disease that could be defeated by embryonic stem cell research?
The monotheistic west relied for more than a thousand years on the scientific discoveries of polytheistic Ancient Greece. Scientists can be believers or non believers, but it is a fact that most of them are non believers.
This is simply not true, as is demonstrated by the numerous "god debates". By the way, if audiences in those debates tend to sympathize with the non-believing orators it is, I suspect, primarily for the reason that, non believers, agnostics or uncertain people are more interested in those debates and attend them. Religious people tend to be content with their faith, which they consider a virtue, and don't really want to have it discussed. By the way, you can't escape the fact that in general the arguments put forward by the non religious side are more straightforward and compelling than the convoluted and often obscure points made by the religious side.
It's actually the other way around. Those who don't take god as an explanation tend to be much more curious, and are very much in awe in front of every new, amazing scientific discovery. They happily admit they don't know a lot. Those who have "faith" already know the only truth that really counts: where's the mystery? Anyway, after you read a book by Hawking or by Dawkins, you don't get very impressed by half-baked stories of miracles.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:41:38 UTC | #601314
Actually, I agree 100% with comment 8 by stevehill. Very well put sir.
I will add though, that we atheists are not just (or particularly) angry, as much as completely exasperated. We don't need to be told that your viewpoints, and methods of spreading them, are valid - they're really not (read God Delusion, God is Not Great, End of Faith etc for intelligent and obvious rebuttals to all religious dogma). But the fact is you are indeed entitled to have them - but please remember...so are we.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:45:30 UTC | #601316
Comment 17 by Gmork
People who are against wrong thinking will conflict with many cultures, religion being one, bad science being another. In the bubble of religion, such a person is called an atheist.
Seeing as we are prone to wrong thinking, it can be frustrating to see people willingly embracing it.
As long as your head is in religion, you will see atheists. On a larger scale, an "atheist" is usually a person who is against wrong thinking in many contexts.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:46:12 UTC | #601317
Dear Rabbit Wolpe,
I commend the notion that our brains are "…our only organs of understanding". As children, we have little voice in what is implanted into our brains as it is very much governed by those who instruct us, I'm sure you will agree. Should this process not then start by teaching children the cognitive reality of what we do know as opposed to what our creeds can merely imply? Anger can often be invoked when the criteria of truth is distributed as a case that is irrefutable. All the major religions believe that god has predestined the laws of nature, if so he has then also determined our actions and behavior – the brain is psychologically bound - and determinism, it can be argued, negates free will. Children should be explicitly taught that all acts of evil or immorality must be determined by god. Easy to accept, for it makes god responsible for the actions of Hitler and Stalin, rapists and murderers, pedophiles and all else we term evil or amoral, and thus god is permitting evil. On the other hand, we must also teach that if there is no god to determine our actions and behavior we therefore admit to the notion of free will and in doing so, the responsibility for our actions and those of others is regulated by the due process of the laws governing our society. We admonish, we re-educate, or we punish on the understanding that the offence was committed as an act of free will. Believers in god who wish to condemn and punish acts of evil will be denying god's will, for determinism, we can argue, is incompatible with free will. Or do we excuse Hitler and Stalin for being simply a part of god's predestined universe? That thought makes me rather angry…
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:50:34 UTC | #601320
It seems the god soaked are completely befuddled about the reaction that they get when they publicly fluff for jeebus!
They really are shocked and fearful. Is it the intolerance really starting to be a reality that they all boast about and pompously claim as always directed at them...is it a secular uncaring world...or is it those pesky atheists that should rot in hell for questioning a 'personal' belief? Is it a conspiracy of all the enemy against the bhabi jeebus?
The classic 'atheists are soulless' chant is perfectly exemplified by...
Finally, I will go so far as to say that there is sometimes in the atheist a want of wonder
It identifies the major flaw in theist counter argument. They are confusing the awe of ignorance for the awe of a natural process that is understood in function. It does not mean it is any the less spectacular...nor does it mean it is a mystery only made possible by a belief in imaginary beings.
Because they are intellectually lazy and fail repeatedly to understand the available science behind nature they assume that because they are ignorant of process that everyone else is! Certainly b'twixt'n'b'tween themselves the paucity of smarts is markedly apparent, but they compound the ignorance by refusing to study the scientific evidence . It is no excuse to claim ignorance of the how when they display arrogance of attitude...they don't know.....and they don't care! they should be thoroughly ashamed of their utter stupidity.
They patently fail repeatedly to understand that " godwotwentngonendidit" is not an answer that is either correct or helpful! It is a blanket assumption that is no longer required...they do not need their 'blanky no more...they are to old for having childish needs against a scary world.
The more honest do admit to the massive evil and murder that religion has perpetrated...then nonchalantly dismiss it.
Then we get the triteness...
to discount the supernatural is to lack the openness to mystery that should be a human hallmark.
Nope sherlock!...to discount the supernatural is to grow up as a species and intelligently confront the world on a one to one basis...to stand on your own evolved feet and meet the challenges of life as only a developed sophisticated and honorable life form can and should! Without recourse to an invisible, magical sky fairy.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:51:11 UTC | #601321
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:52:06 UTC | #601322
I should add that, although we are angry, we don't express that anger with AK-47s and bombs, and we don't fly aeroplanes into buildings.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:53:39 UTC | #601324
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Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:01:28 UTC | #601328
It takes a lot to make me angry.
One of the things you learn about being short tempered in the past is that it leads to hyper-sensitivity towards the slightest thing that does not go your way. Wanting the world to be in order 100% of the time, without exception, on pain of impromptu outrage is not healthy.
This leads to a very important conclusion: why feel angry over something you cannot change? And more so, even if you COULD play God and make the Universe revolve around you, why do you think it is necessary to be angry in order to do so? What contribution does your anger make that your rational mind is incapable of?
I have been into Psychology long enough to know that you cannot control your emotions, just as you cannot control your thoughts. It is probably more knowledge than I required in order to arrive at that conclusion. So that is why I have avoided saying "choose to feel differently" here. Just knowing that anger is both clouding for your rational mind and redundant amongst the many other available motives for doing something is enough to give your brain the message.
Because when people kill and do stupid things over nonsense, what else can you do other than change our biological state as a species? If they end up putting us into a real-life 1984 through gradual destruction of our rights, that is an inevitable consequence of our nature. Personally, I am not going to waste my time being angry over things I cannot change and just getting on with being happy with what I have got, while I still have it. Richard Dawkins' intro to Unweaving the Rainbow is more than enough for me.
People are stupid. Get over it. It is not worth the anger.
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:05:11 UTC | #601330
Could those throwing c-bombs about kindly remember that some of us on here actually have them, and really don't like them disrespected.
Many thanks.
I'm sorry, is this an old article that he's found and decided to post? Every one of these issues has been answered many times before,
Yes, we have been around and about this one before! I recall answering it in detail in 2007.
I whittered on (as I do at times) but boiled it down...
Bottom line with all this? Is there one single point that can sum the above up?
I would simply make the point that it is often informative to look at when an atheist is asked the question 'Why are you so angry?' There is a fair bet that this is generally after a considerable amount of time being politically unrepresented, dictated to by the unworthy, lied to and insulted.
Who wouldn't be a little cross??
Nothing new under the sun.
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Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:13:40 UTC | #601333
Rabbit David Wolpe lol
Why are atheists so angry? Could it be we are just so tired of the tedious non sequiters put forward by the faithful like the good rabbit here?
He almost starts well in the first point/point and a half. Then slips straight into the usual 'atheists are just as close minded as the religious they charge with close mindedness' atheists are arrogant and theirs beliefrs are based on faith just as much as.....
I can't finish this here..... i am simply too angry right now - anyone know where I can reach Elma Fudd?
Damn Wabbit!!
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:16:55 UTC | #601335
It makes me wonder why so many people would want to go to a paedophile website and post objections to molesting children if they aren't interested in molesting children themselves.
Oh yes, because they object to child abuse perhaps?
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:19:03 UTC | #601336
There are serious religious thinkers? Maybe, but I haven't heard of any I could take seriously... And as for wonder: the physical universe holds enough mystery for me. Why should I need belief in the supernatural when only science will aid us in unraveling those mysteries?
Permalink Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:26:01 UTC | #601342
"There is an arrogant unwillingness to engage with religion's serious thinkers"
Thinking "seriously" about fairies in your garden doesn't make them any more real.
If religion's "serious thinkers" were to produce a shred of evidence, then I'm sure most scientific-minded people would be happy to engage. We'll not hold our breath for that though!
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In more remote regions, it may be elemental but ;t is available. There is no charge to workers in the cities but each faml!y on the communes pays about 4 cents per month for medical services. It should also be noted that epidemic and intestinal ailments have been drastically reduced in China. A heavy accent is placed on personal cleanliness and order. The people have also been repeatedly and successfully mobilized to cooperate in mass campaigns to eradicate disease-carrying snails, files, and mosquitoes. Some of the Chinese health techniques would have exchange value to this Nation. So, too, would Chinese methods of dealing with the disPOSal of human and animal excrement. Traditionally, these wastes have been regarded in China as an asset with great value as a fertilizer. The problem with their use in the past has been that they have also been a major source of intestinal and other communicable diseases. The Chinese now employ a very simple process for convertlng wastes into safe and effective fertilizers. It is estimated that 75 percent or more of all wastes are recycled back into the land, with the result that the fertility of the soil 1s better maintained while pollution of lakes, rivers, and streams is avoided. It is ironic to con, trast the waters of this ancient land, which are supportive of a very large yield of fish, with what has been allowed to happen in this new land o: ours. In every aspect of society, there is evidence of China being rebuilt on the basis of Chairman Mao's dictum, "serve the people." The revolution has swept away much of the ineffectiveness of the past and enshrined a new concept of Chines self-reliance. While the family remains as the basic unit of the social structure, it is no longer In-turned and llldifferent. Members of a family are now, also, active participants in the life of the communes and factories and they share a common pride in the achievements of Mao's revolution. In short, China has become a viable modern society with an approach to social participation and responsibility which is rooted in the pMt, meets the needs of the present, and offers a soundly bast~d hope for the future. n. BACKGROUND OF U.S. POLICY In the Chinese view, U.S. policy is seen as having pursued an unremitting hostility toward the People's Republic for at least two decades. That 1s how they regard the effort to wall off China by the trade quarantine for 20 years. That, too, is how they see the sending of troops north of the 38th parallel in Korea, the interposition of the 7th Fleet between the mainland and Formosa and the leadership of this Nation in urging the United Nations to label China the ag-gressor in Korea. . That there is a considerable basis for these Chinese feelings about U.S. policy is undeniable. The policy of this Nation was, indeed, hostile for many years, reflecting as it did the shock of the "loss of China" to the Soviet Union. To ge sure, much has changed since then. It has slowly dawned upon us, perhaps, that China was not ours. to lose nor the Soviet Union's to gain. Attitudes have changed greatly in the Uqited States. China, too, has changed internally and in its relationships with other nations. Yet, our policy has only begun to be revised. Still l.n..place 1s the chain of "defense against Chinese aggression" whose principal links are the SEATO Treaty, the mutual defense treaties with the Republic of China on Taiwan, Japan and the Republic of Korea. St1ll largely in place, too, are U.S. bases in Asia, U.S. troops to man the bases, hundreds of thousands of Asiaru: equipped with the modern paraphernalia of war paid for by billions of rollars b U.S. military aid expenditures. For a quarter of a century, the peoples of two great nations have been kept at arms length and, not infrequently, at sword's point by the policies which have led to this military confrontation. I regret to say th'at in the light of what 1s now taking place in Indochina, the end is not yet in sight, as I thought it was after the President's visit. In retrospect, this separation has been one of the most ill-fated. chapters 1n the history of this Nation. We may well ask ourselves to what extent are the policies Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana May 11, 1972 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -SENATE s 7755 of the past two decades responsible ~or the tens of thousands of U.S. casualties ill Vietnam? For the tens of thousands more in Korea? For immense cost to the people of this Nation of th~e ~pisod~s and our other military activity m Asla during the past two decades? m . THE PATH TO PEKING Tile United States and China have taken only the first steps to restore normal relations. In my judgment, the rapprochement actuallY began with the announcement of the Nixon Doctrine 3 years ~ elves tu wh egun to bea.t u puth to China' ::; door und Peking was prepared to open it. President Nixon's vial t to Chinu last l•'ebrun.ry waG u long overdue step in normali:dng relations between Lhe United Stutes and Chinu. I applauded his action at the time. I um more thun ever ver:;uaded, at the conclusion of this journey that it was the right actlon. Where the puth whlch was opened by the President and followed by the distinguished Minority Leurler und myself w .ill now lead io not clear. If the idea of rapprochement does not sink in the mire or the escalating war in Indochina, the path can lead, ln my judgment, to un Jmprovcment of relationships througnout Asia. Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana - ll- In aoy event, a proce11 of commUD.ication hae begun again between our• elve• and a oation whole population constitute•, perhaps, one-fourth of the A~ race. The Prelident'l visit eerved, ~diatel¥1 to lower the level of tendon 1D Alia aod, therefore, has had a salutary effect on world opinion. It h&• allo inorea1ed the interest of Japan and other nations o! Asia in dealing in a D.OZ'!D&l way with the People 'a Republic of China. In short, it is clear that the tree of relationships in Asia and the world was shaken for the better by the President's initiative. What cannot yet be predicted is where the leaves will tall &D.d what will be the look of the new foliage. IV. The War in Southeast Asia Nor can we so.y whether the proccos of ru.pprochement will be aborted by what has now transpired in Viet Nu.m. Certainly no problem loomed as large as the war in our discussions in Peking. 'l'he bombing or Ha.iphonc and Hanoi, the plan for which neither Senator Scott nor l knew wheu we left, took place while we were en route to Chinu.. While there wu.s no reflection or Lllls development ln the personal treat..m8nt 'l{hich was accorded to us by Lhc ChineG<~, in the d.l:Jcussions, the war domina ted all else. The Chj ncae mo.de it plu.in thu.t our ac Llana in Indochina were a matter of "great concern." If To.iwun l u the crucial Y.Ueotlon for the normalization of Sino-U. 8. rclntiorw, it la u.ppu.rent thu.t Vjct Nwn is fundamental to a further relaxation of tensiorw in the WeuLcrn Pu.cil'1c. 'l'he Chlnese comnent on this matter was UD.equivocul u.nd 1 quote iL: "Unleua thJG can l>e settled," • .., "there can be no progress on other lGIJucs." Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana - 12 - How do the Chinese view the war in Viet Nam? They see it as an attempt by the United States to dominate the political life of a region in which we have no business. Their memory of. the tortured path of American involvement is long and sensitive. Readily recalled, for example, is John Foster Dulles' refusal to shake hands with Premier Chou En-lai at the Geneva Conference of 1954. So, too, is the disregard of the 1954 Geneva Accord by the United States. The Chinese made clear their belief that the resumption of the bombing of the North would prolong rather than end the war. Strong exception was taken to the Administration's contention that the action was justified because North Vietnamese armies had invaded the South. From their point of view, "the invasion of Viet Nam began with the (Tonkin Gulf) incident in 1964" and United States actions in Laos and Cambodia, to them, ulso constituted invasion and aggression. In my judgment it ls illusory to expect the Chinese, out of a desire t o improve relations with the United States, to intervene with their Indochinese allies either to secure the release of our prisoners of war or to influence u settlement whlch is not ~tgreeable to the North Vietnamese a.nd the Cambodian resista.nce which is led by Prince Sihanouk. The Chinese want a rapprochement with the United States but they also want us out of Indochina. Their support of North VietNam's position is unequivoca.l. They believe that the United States, one wo.y or another, wHl ultimately be forced to withdraw and they seemed confident that, once we are gone, the people ol' the three countries will work out their own political arrangements. Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana - 13 - In short, the Peking discussions painted a bleak picture of the prospects of peace on the basis of present policies of all concerned. Unless there are changes in the present course, therefore, visits to China will not alter the in-definite continuance of the blood letting of Americans, Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians, the destruction of the culture and environment of the Indochinese countries, the waste of tens of billions of dollars more of our resources, the sapping of the vitality of our government, the distortion of our political pro-ceases, and the further division and frustration of our people. It seems to me high time to ask why we are using the most advanced machines of destruction in that primitive land. Are we doing so out of force of habit'? Out of fear'? Fear of what'l The fact is that we are still engaged a injwar which, to put the best face on it, wus sanctioned by what has now become a discredited policy toward China. The President's visit to China had the symbolic effect of marking the end or that policy. If the old China policy is no longer valid, is not the present involvement in the Viet Nam war which derived from that policy also invalid'? How can conscience, in these circumstances, con-tinue to ask sacrifices of the Armed Services? If we feel deeply for the ordeal ol' the prisoners of war and the missing in action and for their frunilies, we will no longer acquiesce in the distortion of the problem of their release. 'fhey are not going to be sprung by Commando raids on prison camps where they are not kept. They arc not going to be r eleased by mining Haiphong Harbor, nor by letter-writing campaigns to l Hanoi or by postage stumps issued in Lheir honor. They are going to be releu0ed, 1f the air war leaves any of them alive to be released, only when U. S. uir und naval operations cease . While we remain in the war, the promise is not for their release but for more missing-in-action, more prisone:x:s of war and more casualties. Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana - 14 - V. Bxcbayea Io the Slla.nibai COIIIIlWliqu.e Presideot. Nixoo aod Premier Chou "agreed that it 11 desirable to broadeo the und.erstandiog betweeo the two peoples" throush "coote.cts aod exchanges" in such fields as scieoce, technology, culture, sp=ts, aod journalism. Our trip was a ma.nifesta. tion of China's desire to caxry out this pledge. Plans are being made to open China's doors to more personal cootacts. A date has been agreed to, for example, for the visit to China by the leaders of the House of Representatives. When asked about the possibility of other Members of the Congress coming lo.ter in the year, the response vas that "they will be able to come." What the Chinese hu.ve in mind, it seems, is approvo.l of visits by ::;mull groups on It CI.LGe-by-case basis. As to exchanges in other fields, the Chinese indicated keen interest in carrying out the splriL or the €orranunique . A:; it vus put in the diocu:..;sionc: "Scientists arc beginning Lo come, some docLors hu.ve come, and more are on the va.y. 11 Visits by journali:.;t:.; are still belng handled on un lndividu.o.l bunls and, appu.rcntlJ', it will rem'-lln tho. t wuy i'or the l'ore:.;ceable future. The Chinese governme\'lt, apparently, j:.; noL prepared for perrn.u.nent U. s. news bureo.u:.; ln Chino. o.t this time, ulthough Lhe que:..;tlon JG still under consldero.tion. We were u.ssurc orta are wheat, chemica.la, li&Cbinery 1 manutactured fertilizer, certain type• ot iron and steel, other baae metals, aDd transportation equipment, notably ships .and aircraft. At present, the zu.Jor illdustrial purchases are from Japan and Western Europe. Wheat hao been purchaaed from Canada, and, until recently, from Australia. China's exports SO principally to Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, Britain, and West Germany, with the main items being rice, soybeans, vegetable oils, oilk, fabrics, clothing, and a wide rango of 11ght industrial products. There is only a limited trade with the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. This year, China has given visuo to thirty or so United Stuten businessmen to come to the Cu.nton Trn.de Fuir. It is likely, too, Lhut Congresaiona) Jeudero who speoiali~e in Jnternatiunul trade ma.tteru would be welcomed ut thu.t ohowlng. 'l'he growth of the tw lee-a-yeur Cunton '!'rude Fair eince :1 ts beginnl ng in 1957 illustruteo Chinu'o cupu.city to enter lnLo the world m.o.rketo. GoO<.iB for sale o.t the first · r,ttir were limited llnd exhl u:l ted Lo only 1, 200 peoplt~. More thun 30, UOO dJ l'ferent ChJ ncBe produc Ls for t;ule uuruw.l ure dJ DI>luyed or represented ut the current FllJr. ln the I'Jrst Lt~ll unyn, moreover, uLtenuunc.:e wuo 10,000. 'l'he llnl Led States 1:.:; estlmnl.ed Lo hLLve purdw.oeJ only abouL $li millJun of Chine:.;e gocxis luot y t.:tU' 1 mor; Ll y tltrouglt Hont:t; Konp;. Au Lhe rapprut..: llClllcll L proceedo, 1.1. subotrtntiu) lncrt!uoe ln imJ>orl.tJ ur Cldn<.::;e curwumer guodo in Lu ue anticipuLed. Jt is not yet c.Leur , however, whnt W<· hiWL! Lhut the Ch.lne:JC wunt Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana - 17 - particu.la.rly that they cannot get cheaper elsewhere, or what they bave that Americans will need in quantity over an extended period. Nevertheless, every encouragement should be given to the f ullest possible development or CODI!lerce, if for no other reason than that trade r e lu.tionn ut whatever level cun be an important factor in removing the wull of u quurLer-of- u- ccntury or s eparation. VII. Conc ludJng Ou:.;crvuUonu With u bitter history of suujcrLion Lo Lhe urr oguncc of "grcuL powers" the Chineoe emphusl:le that t hclr O\ffi rut w·c J:.; .L y l'or<"e . On the bu:~i:; ul' uur visit, t her e i s no rcu:.;urt Lo <.:oncJ uue t.h:t L Ute Cltj 11e:;c I e~uler:; mcun otllerwi:;t· . While t he People ' :; Lil!eruLlon Army cccm:; Lu l><: ltr:lu jn lwrujc rcgurd , it is weJ l blended i nto c i viliun ptu· s ui L:.; u nd J ::; nuL ln <:vjdence ;t:.; o. l'orce l'or mi ll UinL" y . '!'here arc no uppeuls l'ur mi li Lur y c r usudc· :; ttllrU 11. [;tart. Hopef'ully, it will prcclpitute u :;lmllu.r nurmuJl:t.l~tlon bcLwt"en Jupan and ChJnu und bt>Lw<'en Ute ::ovl~L UnJon itnd .Jupun. Hcgrt'Ltubly, tlw cruptlono J n J nduchinu huve lt•tt[{Lheued Ute :..;hudow:; over the pru:;JH'CL:..; l'or pcul'e lu A;,i{t, l11 my ,judt7nenL, Lit~ new :;urLj('G JnLo North Vlet Nam hu.vc Larnlultl'd the cJt..:tdl'Jcuncc ul' the Prc~;jllf'nL'r; vlcit Lo Chlru~ unu, ol' cuurnc, l.he vJ:.;J L of the Sl:nnLc ' :; JoJnL Lcuut·t·:;ltlp . 'l'hcy hnvc thruwn JnLo a L JL·u.nl. Lt:mpurury ccllpr;c Lltt' [lU:J[;llJllJ LJcs ul' Cldnc~;c - U. S. rupprucltcml'rtL. When Llw:;t' r;lmuow:; lJL'L :t tlll unly Lllt;tt cutt Lltt'rl! be lltt CXJ>t:cl.:r.LJun of change, u t·ltangc t'or Ute b<'LLcr ltt 1\:;Jtt. 'l'lH·rt· J:..J u ChJrw:;e proverb: 11'1'P :;cc ot tc LJ1nc Jn bcLLt:r Lltan Lu ltc11r u hundred tlmc~." l•'or Lh(' la:;L LwcnLy-tlit't•c ycttr·u Ltw l\merlca11 people havt: nuL ~H:en much ol' Cltjna. WtmL Ylu~; lH'nrd ll "hundr't:d LJme~;" ol'Lcn cun Lu.lrwd l:jl'u:;:; Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana - 19 - distortions and added up to a horror story, concocted in the minds of the fearful in this nation which, on the basiu of the visit of the Joint Leadership and the findings of' some other recent ob oervers, bea.rc no relationship to China as it is today. The 16 days which were opent in Chinn, traveling widely throughout the country and talking to people in all wulks or lHe, huve impressed me mosL profoundly. The dynamism, energy, and devotion or the Chineoe people in eonfronting whut they huve set out to do with their coclety must be seen to be believed. 'l'heir system io working ror thum und Jt is working well . We u.re u. young nutional culture relative Lo Chinu , lturtdrcdG of yeur~; compared wiUt thousunds or ycurs. There 1:.; much Lobe luurncd on both side:> . 'l'he mutual cducutlve process hue begun uncw. 'l'hln Umc l L muct be rnulnt;Jlnt.:d on Lhe basis or ellWLll ty or treutment un<..l mutuul recpcc L. 'l'llc duy :; ul' u onc :.; ided relutJonshlp--o l' Lcuchcr-pupil, ma~;Lcr-:.; crv a nL, bcnt:fac Lor und depcndcnL, nnd so on buck Jnto the 19Lh Centlry'r. 'bnll(.~IL Lcned und ht:aLltl:tt;' are gQllC unu lL is hurd to sec wltu in Cldnu ur ln Litle naLloll wlll mourn Llrelr pu~;~,;lng . Chou En-lui no Led Lltut it ltl.l.d Lt•ken " JUl) yc11r:.; :;lnc.:<..: the UpitUn Wnn; l'or the Chinese p~ople to stund up." 'l'otlay , Liley arc t;tandl ng up . SelJ'-reJJ anc.:c ls their wutchwoni und on thuL busl:.; LILey ure buj lultt/I, n. new Chlrw .. PremJcr Chou En- LaJ (: losc;d our Lalll:.; wl Lit Lltcc:;c W(Jnl :;: "Plcu:Je convl:y to the Arnerlc.:an puoplc Lhc l't·lc·nd!Jhlp and IJesL r·csp<..: c.: L:..; ol' the Chlllese people." The Joint Lender:;tdp ol' tlw Se rmt<..: rer;pondcd in u ~;im l lur l'tL~Jhiun. Jn my j ull t~ment, only what Lrun~;plr cs ln lwioc.:lllnu lJJuc.:k:.; Lltl: way ol' u l'uJ I l'ntlL.ion or these reciprocal !;cnt·lme nl.:; . When Uwy ure l'u_ll'i lJl:d Jn r ec.: llll"UCHJ ltC.:L~; ol' respect n.nd c.:onsldcru L iun Lhey will t·edou.ll<..l tu Lit~~ ht:ncl'l L of Lire J?COp.lc of Lite United States, the People':.; Hepublic of Cltinu and Lltl' rc~;L ol' Lhc world . Mike Mansfield Papers, Series 21, Box 48, Folder 17, Mansfield Libary, University of Montana
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.Ma!J 11, 1972 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- SEN ATE s 7753 ORDER OF BUSINESS The PRESIDING OFFICER. Pursuant to the previous order the Chair recognizes the major ity leader for a report. Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. President, may we have order in the Senate? The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen ator Is correct. We will not proceed until the Senate Is in order. Sena tors and staff members w!ll please be seated. The Senator from Montana may pro-ceed. ' JOURNEY TO THE NEW CHINA Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, when President Nixon returned from Peking last February, he tra nsmitted an invitation from Premier Chou En-lal to the joint leadership of the Senate to visit the People's Republic of China. The In vitation was a ccepted by Senator ScoTT and myself and between April· 15 and May 7,- we undertook the journey. On Monday, last, I gave to the President a written report on what I had observed, heard and discused in China and conclusions which I had reached, as a result, particularly with regard to Indochina. I have requested this time, today, to provide a genera.! account of the Journey to the Senate. I shall s~ak in some considerable detall because it seems to me that the long deprivation which has been experienced regarding direct information on China warrants a most thorough account. Moreover, since the President has chosen to take new military risks in Indochina, we had better get as clear a picture as w~ can of the contemporary nature of the immense nnt!on whose southern borders are contiguous with that troubled and tragic r.egion. If I may, Mr. President, I shall now proceed to report on the journey to the new China, but before I begin I would like to express my gratitude to the distinguished minority leader, the Senator from Pennsylvania


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Hertha secure relegation play-off spot
Hertha Berlin gave themselves a second chance to save their Bundesliga status as they beat Hoffenheim on the final day of the season to earn a place in the relegation play-offs.
Anis Ben-Hatira put the home side in front in the 14th minute, adding a second 12 minutes from time.
Marvin Compper pulled one back for Hoffenheim, who lost Ryan Babel to an early red card, before Raffael sealed the victory with the last kick of the game, sparking celebrations inside the Olympiastadion as Berlin moved above Cologne into 16th place.
They will now play the side who finish third in the 2. Bundesliga, which will be either Fortuna Dusseldorf, Paderborn or St. Pauli, whose fate will be decided tomorrow.
Ben-Hatira gave Berlin a dream start with a direct free-kick which flew past everybody on its way into the far corner of the goal.
Babel was then shown a controversial red card when he was pushed into a Berlin player and got involved in a small fracas, receiving first a yellow card and then the red, even though he had not previously been warned.
Pierre Lasogga missed the chance to double Berlin's lead just before the interval, but with news of Cologne's collapse at home to Bayern filtering through, Berlin knew that they could even draw and move up a place.
Hoffenheim tested their nerves in the last 20 minutes, but Hertha stood strong and even doubled their lead through Ben-Hatira in the 78th minute.
Compper brought Hoffenheim back into the game with a goal from close range in the 85th minute and goalkeeper Tom Starke almost scored a dramatic equaliser as he went forward for a corner in the last minute.
However, the real drama followed immediately with Raffael running the full length of the pitch to deposit the ball into the open goal and seal Hertha's win, leaving them two more games to save their top-flight status.
Hoffenheim coach Markus Babbel, who was in charge of Hertha until Christmas, was the first to congratulate Raffael as the final whistle blew.