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first... i know where to request features and that this is not the right place.
the feature was requested a long time ago in this forum and also at the adobe feature suggestion website.
i really hoped that with LR 4 we will see face recognition.
and i think it´s a feature many LR user would love to see in lightroom... right?
i have tested a few programs and their face recognition a while ago.
picasa was a bit buggy but the actual face recognition and tagging capability is good. IDImager face recognition was not that accurate.
other apps i have tested... well not worth to mention.
i still found picase and idimage usefull and while face recognition was not perfect .... it was a great help.
please support this feature request if you like by voting here:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/face_recognition _in_lightroom
No, you're probably not alone - but just for balance, let me be the first to say that I literally could not care less if Lr ever gets face recognition: if it comes, let it be after ever single other thing that ever needs to be done to Lr is delivered, bedded down, fine tuned and the subject of universal acclaim..!
It´s a must have.
It´s 2012 and even my Mobile Phone Applications have Face Recognition.
Lightroom is trailing behind some other Applications in DAM features lately.
I agree with Keith. I hope LR continues to develop other features.
who said they should stop developing other features?
i don´t think face recognition will stall the LR development.
If LR puts resources into face recognition, then it is putting less recources into other areas of development. Sounds like Keith and me (and maybe others) don't want fewer resources put into these other areas of development.
of course i know that resources for a new release is given to features that benefit the greatest number of users.
but adobe can always hire more people.
when a product gets bigger and bigger that is not a bad idea anyway.
LR has a modular approach.. so i guess it should not be too complicated to add more resources.
of course cost is a factor. but when i see that 5$ apps have face recognition.... it´s all relativ.
and if im not wrong photoshop elements has facial recognition already.
so they would not have to start from scratch i guess.
the buggy LR 4.0 release gave me the impression already that they need more manpower.
at least more betatester they will listen too....
I don't see how it can be usefull for my workflow to have face recognition. I know who is in my studio in front of my lens. When I'm outside, I write the people's name in a notebook. Often, I never meet them again. So, if face recognition should be a fun gadget for a family software, in a pro one like LR, I'm pretty sure it's useless.
Christophe CUSSAT BLANC wrote:
I don't see how it can be usefull for my workflow to have face recognition. I know who is in my studio in front of my lens. When I'm outside, I write the people's name in a notebook. Often, I never meet them again. So, if face recognition should be a fun gadget for a family software, in a pro one like LR, I'm pretty sure it's useless.
i just bought LR 4 for my 11 year old cousin.. and i know an awful lot of hobby photographer who use LR.
it´s in no way a PRO only application... not even close.
and when i look at some questions here in this forum... i even doubt that the majority of customers are pros.
It's not because the software is used by a lot of non pro photographers that the software is not a pro software (like photoshop).
The real question is : how much time do you spend to add the people's name on your photos with selection and paint tool ? Compare with the time you spend when you have to verify the results of face recognition. I've done the comparison with iPhoto and my conclusion is that I've added the keywords faster with LR than with iPhoto.
Christophe CUSSAT BLANC wrote:
It's not because the software is used by a lot of non pro photographers that the software is not a pro software (like photoshop).
well you wrote it is useless in a PRO software.. my answer was it´s not only used by PROS (another open question is if all PROS will agree to that ).
i have no statistics that show how many lightroom customers are pros and how many are ambitious hobbyists.
but my guess is the ambitious hobbyists are not a small group.
Christophe CUSSAT BLANC wrote:
The real question is : how much time do you spend to add the people's name on your photos with selection and paint tool ?
a lot if you scanned ~20000 slides of family events and vacations... like i have over the past years.
a lot of time if you photograph local events in your city, like i do, and the officials are often the same.
the problem is, most people don´t see beyond their own horizon and what´s usefull for THEM.
i never use the slideshow function in lightroom. i create my photo books with indesign.
but i don´t say "stop developing these features! it´s useless and start focusing on features i find more important".
all i ask for is support from THOSE who think facial recognition is usefull... they can click on that feature request website and support the request.
Christophe CUSSAT BLANC wrote:
I've done the comparison with iPhoto and my conclusion is that I've added the keywords faster with LR than with iPhoto.
i have not tested iphoto myself.... but picasa was a help.
I would not expect facial recognition to be useful to pros who shoot portraits, to to anyone who exclusively shoots landscapes. However, I *would* expect it to be useful to to anyone, pro or otherwise who shoots live activities - weddings, parties, possibly sports, etc. I shoot youth activities at a high school, and would love to have the sort of facial recognition that Picasa offers.
This seems to be a heated topic wherever it's brought up. Let me start by saying that I work in the software industry and totally understand the tradeoffs you have to make sometimes. You don't have infinite resources...ever. And I understand the sensitivity in this case because for folks who have used LR for a long time and are dependent on it to get their job done, they clearly want investment in features that they know they will use. If you have used Lightroom for a while and have an established workflow, I can totally understand why face recognition would be useless. And if it's useless, it's logical that you'd want investment in something that was...well...useful.
I, however, agree with the poster and believe that facial recognition is a pretty important feature for Lightroom.
I'd like to offer two perspectives.
The first is my personal perspective. I would consider myself a casual user. I'm a family guy. I've got about 65k photos in my collection and they are all friends/family. My organization scheme has been through 3-4 computers and multiple backup systems over the years. It has been through a variety of different tools from some homegrown things to native Windows tools to Picasa. Bottom line, I have a real mess. Many duplicates due to funny sync strategies but being paranoid about losing photos. Multiple folders because my wife is not so computer savvy and often makes multiple copies. Very little organization. We have a real mess. I've known it for a while and have spent several months trying to find the right solution. Picasa didn't scale for us. IDImager was promising but they are going through some regrowth as they try to adapt to the Mac user community where it was only previously for Windows. Lightroom was the only product I found that could come close to meeting all of my needs. So now I have it in place. I have all of my pictures imported into the catalog. But I need to start tagging/organizing. I want facial recognition to get me started...having to go through 65,000 and manually type keywords for each one is unreasonable. For new photos I import I can do it piecemeal...no problem, and no facial regonition required. Until I can get the existing photos into a searchable/maintainable state, however, I can't take full advantage of Lightroom. While it may not be forever useful, it's crticial to new users getting started with the product.
The second is an industry perspective. Adobe has clearly branded itself as the leader in image editing technology. Heck, "photoshop" is now used as a verb in the average household for people who have never even used the product! That's awesome marketing. That's awesome brand presence. You don't get to be a leader by saying yes to everything. You have to selectively say no. But in cases where you are falling behind from a technology perspective and leaving an obvious hole in your portfolio (especially while potential competition is buying up companies/IP to compete).
In my opinion, the "personal DAM" market is underserved today. The digital age is causing even casual users to outgrow products like Picasa. People are looking for something new. While Lightroom is probably overkill for most of them (me included), it's one of the few products on the market that has a large support community and actually does have enough features to support all of the needs of the home. While more expensive than most of the other home products, it's not out of reach even for the casual user. Adobe has the potential to grow market share (actually, to even grow the market) if they target those needs and improve their "on ramp" for new users. Besides face recognition, this is probably 80%+ a marketing issue and not one requiring product features.
adobeaggie wrote:
...having to go through 65,000 and manually type keywords for each one is unreasonable.
You're going to have to do it anyway. Faces are only one thing to be tagged. How about places, objects, animals, events, and so on.
This is why I've never started keywording. With over 200,000 images, I'd have to take a year off work to catch up.
Adobeaggie, as you work in the SW industry (as did I) I'd like to offer just a thought and perhaps a third perspective …
As you said, the LR team resource is finite, there is a priority to development some driven by customer or expert voices, some by market strategy and other reasons. There is however an un-tapped resource … photography software developer enthusiasts.
Perhaps it would be better if the LR team invested, potentially a smaller effort, and develop an external access LR API so that third parties could generate applications to understand and access the users library content, read and write (some) meta data against images and most importantly request (via the LR API) rendered version of the stored images. These applications could run alongside LR as "Sidekicks" i.e. standalone applications, not plugins.
This would allow third party applications to fulfil the kinds of needs such as facial recognition and allow a raft of other capabilities which I believe are not possible with Plugins for a variety of reasons.
Clearly to mitigate risk and support overhead on the LR team there would have to be some constraints on writing to the library via this API but I believe it could be done usefully. I acknowledge this would be a scary, but brave, move for LR – but it could create a very powerful ecosystem around LR.
As said, it's just a nice thought, but I doubt it will ever happen. Still, I'm not sure facial recognition will either.
AlanUniqueName wrote:
There is however an un-tapped resource … photography software developer enthusiasts.
Perhaps it would be better if the LR team invested, potentially a smaller effort, and develop an external access LR API so that third parties could generate applications to understand and access the users library content, read and write (some) meta data against images and most importantly request (via the LR API) rendered version of the stored images. These applications could run alongside LR as "Sidekicks" i.e. standalone applications, not plugins.
Alan - Both are interesting ideas (tapping the enthusiasts and having an open API to the databases). Not sure how open they'd be to the latter because it does represent a combination of both opportunity and risk.
FWIW I spent way too much time last night looking at plugin APIs, existing plugins, available libraries for facial recognition, etc
I will probably solve my problem in the short term by leveraging Jeffrey's Picasa Facial Recognition plugin to get started. My wife had already started that effort with Picasa so it's not like starting over (but it's also not complete)
Thanks all for the musings on this topic. I'm a "+1" for adding it as a feature, even if it is controversial, and I guess we can leave it at that.
Hi.. I'm new to adobe online's community.
I have a big question. I'd like to use face detection for a batch working regarding ligths, colour, contrast etc around human faces and even bodies. Wouldn't this be great to process many portraits taken to the near same condition of light and background? Think about it. Probably it could apply the same skin enhance to the pictures with the same person in it.
I think that kind of software would be great for many. I am a wedding photographer in Romania and I have about 6-8 wedding in a month and that's a really hard job processing about 3.000 pics a week to be in time with everything. Thanks. Sorry for my english if there are mistakes.
I badly want face recognition. Please, in my opinion this is an absolute must have for LR5 (and should have already been in LR4).
Hope you posted your support on the site mentioned in the original post in this thread.
Ah, didn't notice the link. Thanks
Although I've read all the replies, re the OP, couldn't care less if it has face recognition. I have that on several programs and don't both with it. Makes software bloatware IMHO. I keyword all of my photos as I take them...... after a month long trip, that may be 6-7,000, but I will do it and keep everything up to date. Just my work flow.
I had a friend who asked during a ad hoc teaching session on LR 4 why this feature isn't in LR when it is in Aperture. He mentioned why he wanted it; so that he could recognize photos of his family and then locate them easily. But when I looked at doing that myself, I thought really that doesn't help me since I photograph THOUSANDS of faces. More useful would be to recognize other objects in non-portrait images (ocean, trees, dogs, cars, etc.) for the purpose of automatic keywording. So...I guess if it came as a feature that is not at the expense of better/faster image improvement tools OK...but it really is limited to people who only want to recognize a very limited number of faces..a very CONSUMER personal function. I suppose a photographer who photographs celebrities all day long and repetitively shoots the same people would find that very useful, I don't see the benefit to professionals.
I am always surpised to see narrow minded people. Instead of embracing new ideas, technologies. I even read on another forum that face recognition makes people lazy. Yeah, that's right, we all want to be lazy, it's a fundamental law.
If Lightroom won't add it soon, ideally with other object recognition as well, it will lose a potential market, the market of semi pro, like me and the op.
I don't think that will be a benefit for the Pro users as well.
Rinusripsus23 wrote:
I am always surpised to see narrow minded people. Instead of embracing new ideas, technologies.
Lack of enthusiasm for FR has got nothing - nothing - to do with that bogus argument. There are simply too many, far more important things for LR's devs to focus on before getting round to a niche "gadget" like FR - and niche it is.
If Lightroom won't add it soon, ideally with other object recognition as well, it will lose a potential market, the market of semi pro, like me and the op.
Which really overstates the importance - or at least your opinion of the importance - of that segment.
More to the point, since when do you speak for all semi pros?
Even more to the point, I know umpteen pros and semi pros who have zero interest in FR because they don't shoot people. What benefit is FR to a wildlife photographer or a motor sports shooter or an interiors/architectural pro?
Most to the point: what is it about your situation right now that you "can't do without" FR for?
Absolutely nothing, I imagine...
I don't even want GPS, video, book or web printing, I just want a bloody great cataloguer with the tools it has right now but also the ability to make layers.
Face recognition? Why? What possible use? Sorry, nice little toy it might be for some but it would be about last on my list.
PS is aimed at Pro's and business. LR is priced for a larger enthusiast market, many of whom value FR. By not having FR it is already falling behind. Picasa does a great job with face recognition. Google owns mapping (LR uses Google's technology). Picasa is more user friendly than LR and does a good job at cataloging. Probably just a matter of time until Google adds high-end mapping features to Picassa. Google owns Nik. And how about Picasa with free Nik editing (the power of masking without having to master masking/layers)? LR needs to keep getting better lest someone builds a better mouse trap. Google is formidable at information management and indexing.
Whats with some of the responses denigrating FR in this thread? FR may not be useful to YOU, but YOU may not be the center of the universe? Clearly FR is important to many. Unless Adobe does not care about market share (and they are not idiots), they'll add FR. Family shots likely comprise a significant percentage of the average user's collection. Picture someone new to cataloging with thousands of non-tagged family photos spanning years. Seems pretty obvious that FR would be useful to such users. And useful to current users who havent been religious about keywording over the years.
And if Adobe doesn't have the resources to add FR without sacrificing some other important feature then that wouldnt speak well to their long term competitiveness.
I doubt it is just family either. For any Event Pro that wants to maximise sales where Aunt Alice wants each and every photo that features her favourite Godchild at an event . I wouldn't want to be the one sifting through 400 photos and especially 600-1200 outtakes that could bring in enough sales to pay for the next upgrade of LR.
Even if it doesn't appear in 5 or even 6, it is inevitable.
Wow ... there certainly seems to be at least a bit of intolerance strewn about this thread. I have been growing quite weary of the misguided attitude that there should be a singular view as to future development of Lightroom. Lightroom has NEVER been a Library and Develop modules only application ... from the very first beta ... it had more than two modules and was developed to answer the needs of a broad cross section of users. Not just the needs of a very vocal few who think they know better.
Why must there be the belief that if something is added to Lr, it will absolutely cause other development to suffer? Adobe has annual revenues that approach $4.5B (yes, that's a "B" for billion). Surely, if the executives in charge would choose to allocate the resources, we all could have our needs met in short order. While I do realize that even with that volume of revenue, Adobe does not have infinite resources, they could offer more than what is currently being used. In fact, if resources were of such a limited nature, why did Adobe drop the price of the full version by 50% ... how are they to survive on half rations? More importantly, how do they ever plan to satisfy a much broader user base who will surely make requests for the addition of new features like Face Recognition? That price reduction has opened the flood gates to a much wider group of users who are surely to have a more diverse view on what their individual needs are.
So the solution here, in the U2U forum is to attack and belittle fellow users who make requests for development outside of the Library and Develop modules? Doesn't make sense when you factor in these users also paid good money for Lightroom. Somehow the cash they presented to Adobe isn't worth quite as much as a certain few who want to shout them down? I take no issue with any user who wants to voice their support for specific features, though I find it more than a bit disconcerting when they choose to attack others for simply requesting a feature that some users would welcome as an important asset to their workflow.
Currently, I don't have any real need for Face Recognition ... though I never thought I had much need for the Maps module either ... now I use it quite a bit ...
It is quite evident, for anyone willing to look past their nose, that there are other Lr users who do think Face Recognition would be a benefit ... why shouldn't they be allowed to make their case without retribution? This is all especially troublesome when you considerthat Face Recognition has 222 votes over on the feature request/feedback forum ...
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/face_recognition _in_lightroom
... and the Multi-User/Network feature (which has been rerquested by many since Day One) only has 214 votes ...
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/multi_user_multi _computer
By all means, I expect everyone to share their views ... though, a little tolerance could be in order.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anyone belittling anyone for their views Butch...if they did, that certainly isn't what this place is for.
I guess what I was thinking here is: just like many other softwares, a "service plugin" would probably work as well. That way professionals that have no need for the FR feature would not have to be negatively impacted by it. And since you mentioned the Map feature...I have never even clicked on the app until just now. I must be useful for pros who geo code their images, but is totally useless to me. I would gladly trade this functionality for the ability to filter and sort by filesize (huge screaming void in functionality that LR should have by now.)
irvinephotos wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anyone belittling anyone for their views Butch...if they did, that certainly isn't what this place is for.
Well ... you just did it yourself here:
irvinephotos wrote:
That way professionals that have no need for the FR feature would not have to be negatively impacted by it.
... and here:
irvinephotos wrote:
I(t) must be useful for pros who geo code their images, but is totally useless to me.
... and you did it earlier in the thread here:
irvinephotos wrote:
... I don't see the benefit to professionals.
You see ... the term "professional," ... as so many have been using in this thread ... has been thrown around as some narrow definition implying that no professional would find Facial Recognition useful or meaningful to their workflow.
I contend, that there are many "pros" who would find it useful. Folks who earn a living shooting large group events, parties, conventions, etc. where it is unwieldy to take down ID's while shooting, who could later use the feature to sort out desired images after the shoot to more definitively market to clients with greater ease ...
Sort by file size? Should I take the same attitude as yours and tell you I would very likely never need this feature, so by your standard, I should lobby that the feature never exists so that my interests are better served elsewhere in Lightroom's further development? I don't really think there is the need to rob Peter to pay Paul in this respect ... Lightroom not only can be more, it should be more than it is today ... arguing over what it could be is purely trivial.
well there are a bunch of 24/7 members on this forum who think they know everything about what other people need.....
Even more to the point, I know umpteen pros and semi pros who have zero interest in FR because they don't shoot people. What benefit is FR to a wildlife photographer or a motor sports shooter or an interiors/architectural pro?
blahblah... and there are tons of people who never use the book, slideshow (even scott kelby says it´s useless crap in his GRIP show) or map modul.
your "argumentation" makes no sense at all... all it does is showing your ignorance and narrow horizon.
you don´t want a feature so it´s useless.. that is ALL that is behind your posts.
it has nothing to do with "wasted resources" or stalling other more important features.
hell shareware apps have FR today.
So I guess the only people that can post on this thread have to agree with the thread? For folks who are so sensitive to people's negativity, sure seems like you and Butch are ultimately the most negative of all since you can't stand to hear someone's differing opinion.
I stand corrected. Professionals know nothing about the tools they use, nor should they have an opinion about its features.
I have no problem with people arguing FOR FR. I didn't belittle anyone, or tell them their view is stupid (like you are doing right now). At this point, anyone who gets paid as a major source of income (oops! I almost said Professional, a word that seems to enrage some folks) and uses LR to do this but would NOT want to see this feature implemented should just keep their mouths shut..
Your topic is a good one, however it has become overrun with petulance. I hope your FR feature gets implemented in a way that does not impact LR's current funtionality badly. I'm going to turn of notifications now.
irvinephotos wrote:
... sure seems like you and Butch are ultimately the most negative of all since you can't stand to hear someone's differing opinion.
Quite the contrary. Apparently you have not completely read my comments or you wouldn't have missed this:
By all means, I expect everyone to share their views ... though, a little tolerance could be in order.
Most reasonable thinking individuals would expect self-proclaimed professionals to be capable of exhibiting just a bit more tact and manners when they express themselves.
My issue with this thread is certain individuals appear to be experts on all that is "professional" ... when clearly there is a much more diverse spectrum of Lightroom users than some would care to admit ... those users should not be pigeon-holed as non-professional in order to validate your point.
Your support, or lack thereof, for proposed features should be based upon the actual merits of the feature, not your misconception that those who are requesting the feature lack the qualifications to be a bona fide participant to make such requests. Thereby rendering their concers as unprofessional by default.
I think it is high time that some folks move beyond the middle school autocracy that seems to permeate this forum.
i give a rats a** what you or others think to be honest. sorry but that is the truth.
i don´t care if it is pro photographer, who can barely make a living, or an rich amateur with 50000 euro worth of gear, who requests a feature.
if someone request a feature he has a reason for it... and who am i that i say it´s useless!!
i never use the WEB, SLIDESHOW or BOOK module. they are unprofessionell and lame.... 0815. especially WEB and SLIDESHOW.
they suck so much that scott kelby spend half an hour ranting about them in one GRIP episode... and the guy makes his money with teaching people about it.
do i harass adobe to stop developing it, stop wasting respources on it? NO!!
im not so full of myself as some here.
but i wonder why someone who is not interested in a feature spend hours arguing against it.
it´s not as if they have to use it.
and don´t annoy me with this stupid "wasted resources" argument.
I hope your FR feature gets implemented in a way that does not impact LR's current funtionality badly.
yeah because that sure would be the case... LOL
Thanks for your viewpoints everyone.
The thread's gone way off topic and is now purely personal arguments, so I'm closing it.


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As I watched tonight's episode, I admit that I had to laugh when I saw the cleanser doing a ritual on Taylor's home. That said, I could understand where Taylor is coming from. We all go through difficult times in life and search for answers in different ways. If this is something that will work for Taylor then more power to her. I hope to see more positive things from Taylor because she seems constantly plagued by drama and frankly that one-dimensional characterization is just getting old.
It was fun to do yoga with Kyle. I remember leaving the dinner very surprised at all the conflict that had developed in the past few months, so it was nice to see Kyle under more relaxed circumstances. I was trying to listen to Kyle and process what she was saying but found it hard to focus on all of the accusations and suppositions that didn't involve me. I like to have fun and so does Kyle. I know it is hard for Kyle to be in the middle of all the drama, she is much more in her element when she is having a good time.
You are a breath of fresh air! You would think kyle and fae would have shut up when the person on the outside stuck up for brandi, clearly seeing it as an attack. Yolanda def would have been disgusted as well
I like you and I hope you become a regular. You get along with the women but you are no ones mouth piece. Your a natural choice!
Marisa, I hope you become a regular on RHBH. You seem kind, sane, intelligent and graceful. I'm glad you spoke up at the dinner. It's so uncomfortable to watch conflict erupt and everyone sit there and not defend the correct position. I mean how could anyone watch such inappropriate behavior like Faye's without speaking up? You expressed your feelings in a non-confrontational, determined way. I often watch this show and think "What on earth are these people thinking and why are they not voicing their opinions?" This is part of the intrigue of RHBH. Human behavior mystifies me and is equally ever present among the most wealthiest circles if not even more so. On RHBH people are so willing to sit on the sidelines and watch another person being bullied because they are more concerned with acceptance than stating their position. Brandi was bullied by Kyle and Kim when she was on crutches and everyone could see that. They hid her crutches. This was abhorrent behavior. That's why Brandi made the meth comment. While the comment was was wrong. Some people lash out when confronted with such outlandish behavior because they are not equipped to handle such situations. Faye is a social climber and she only sides with the people that advance her agenda. You are not interested in the social approval of these people. You are willing to stand up for what is right. You know who you are and are not afraid to speak and own your thoughts. And this is what makes you an amazing person. Yes an amazing anomaly in the sea of superficiality and insecurity of Beverly Hills. Please stay on the show!
Marissa, you say Kyle is uncomfortable being in the middle of the drama????? Her big mouth is what keeps the drama going. I loved Kyle season 1 and 2 but this season not so much, I think i blame her for us having to watch Faye on the show. Faye is disgusting and no one likes to watch ugly on RHOBH. Than you for taking time to blog every week
Love the way you handle yourself. I am concerned that you are Kyle's friend....she is simply nasty.
Be careful with Brandi she's nice until she collects all the info she needs to use later. Then she'll cry and say she's being real. When she's nice she wants something.
Last week I left a bit of a snarling comment on your blog because of some unkind insinuations you made about Lisa to the press. Maybe my response was a bit over the top... after seeing you and Kyle this week, I am willing to give you a chance. You seem fresh and logical and kind. A few suggestions:
Take a note from Lisa. She's smart and can teach you a thing or two.
If you really want to spice up your life keep being true to yourself. Kyle will throw you under the bus, and things will get quite warm for you.
You are sucking up to Kyle in this post. Are you feeling the heat at work? Maybe you were nice enough to believe that Kyle really did want you to be honest. Kyle's an idiot. She has no idea why it is the fans love Brandi, because Kyle doesn't have an honest bone in her body. She's fake.
Don't stop now. If you really are wanting a change as you say in your interviews then don't be afraid to keep it real. When Kyle is having "fun" she's flipping her hair around, doing splits on tables at other people's bridal showers, pointing laser lights at people's nipples, hiding people's crutches, or making fun of the new girl wearing a high heal with her cast. Kyle seeks to always be the center of attention no matter what, even if its at the expense of someone else. She's not nice. If she doesn't get her way, she attacks.
I think I might be able to like you, but it will take some time to know for sure. I might owe you an apology eventually... we'll see.
Mean Girl Formal Dinner - What was that saying about lipstick on a pig ;-) - lol
Kyle stirred it, and Faye served it. Lisa just tried to turn down the heat. Brandi left w/out eating.
Hope you join the show. Stay real and stay out of Kyle's stuff and you will have loads of fans! Good Luck!!
So far I like your style. Extra points from me for seeing someone being attacked by a rabid dog and stepping in diplomaticly and telling them that it's not ok with you! I thought Faye was a classless piece of trash and Kyle the worse hostess in history for not asking her to leave when she began acting like an intitiled witch! Had I made the mistake of accepting an invitation from hell I would have joined Brandi and left!
Good luck with the real housewives, I hope you get what you want from the experience...
You seem very reasonable and look forward to more of you on the show
No one who watches could possibly believe that it is "hard for Kyle to be in the middle of the drama" You started out not kissing up to her. PLEASE don't change and continue to speak your mind truthfully as you did about Brandi.
I want to like you so much,
I like what you say, and how you say it............My main concern, is that you worked with Mauricio and are friends of Kyle!
I guess time will tell!
I like the fact that you have your own opinion. I felt like Kyle was trying to get you to be against Brandi during the yoga session although she acts as if she likes her. I hope you continue to make your own opinions and be your own person.
I really hope BRAVO adds you to the cast of the show. The 2 episodes you have been on have really shown you to be a very kind woman. My fav's are Brandi, Lisa and Yolanda (who is another fabulous addition). I hope you join the women because I think you and Yolanda would become the best of friends if you end up meeting. To family oriented, classy ladies.
yes you seem to be level headed. i'm sure you felt like brandi was being bullied but i for one am glad faye told her off it was time brandi got a taste of her own medicine. if brandi had wanted to get answers she could have gotten them any number of times in private she just wanted the air time.
good luck with brandi she's had a problem with everyone your time will come.
sorry don't like the brandi so i wont drink it.
I was so glad you stood up for Brandi, or at least tried to before Faye interrupted you. They were like a pack of dogs attaching a fox. You seem lovely and I like anyone that likes my girl Brandi!
Concerning Kyle: I think you need to watch some past episodes. She seems to be the person who instigates the drama. Just a mere little word from Kyle and it all hits the fan.
Concerning the yoga: You both cracked me up. The yoga instructor made me laugh the most!
Concerning your take on a lot of things: You need to be a permanent fixture on the show. I think I like your style!
Melisa, thank you for being the voice of reason...instead of just being a Kyle follower and a fellow pitbull. You're terrific.
You are a breath of fresh air on the show! I enjoy watching you interact with the cast because you are reasonable, level headed and confident. You are supportive and a positive influence. I wish I could see Kyle in the same light, but in my opinion, she is a bit of a trouble-maker and takes comments too far and way out of context. Hopefully you will even out all the drama she brings!!
Marisa you are a welcome addition to the show!!! You and Yolanda are delightfully NORMAL!!
You both seem to have common sense and act like grown ups. Faye not so much!!! Bravo, please read the tons of comments about Faye and get her out. Give us more likeable people like Marisa and Yolanda!!!!!
You seem to be the voice of reason. I hope that is true, past the first two appearances. Kyle seemed sweet at first, then her tru colors came out and we all see her manipulative ways. She likes to "stir it up". I dont appreciate that. Especially when she sits back and acts so sanctimonious and shocked at what others say or do. When we all know that she and Kim have shown us their mean girl ways many times, especially where Brandi is concerned. Remember the comments she mad and the eye rolling when she first met Brandi on that crutch with the one wedge shoe. We need good clean fun Marisa, please bring some with you to the show.
I thought YOU were the "Most Classiest" of them all! Glad you think for yourself and believe what you can see, not from what you hear!! You obviously have a great head on your shoulders and you have really good mindset! I think you were really right on with everything, and you can definitely can see what is right and what is wrong; that's a something not many people have!! You go girl! You continue to think for yourself and stay wonderful!!:)) By the way has anyone ever told you that you kinda look Marilyn Monroe?? I think you do, especially when you have your hair curled, I think the only thing that's missing is the red lipstick and a white flowy dress!! Lol! Good luck to you and hope to see more of you and less of Faye!! Best wishes!!:))
Be nice to Brandi and you will get the viewers on your side. Everyone loves her and she is definitely the break-out star.
Watch last season and then make up your mind about Brandi and Kyle.
M, you are a good addition to the show.Don't ever so such a period Makeup add in the first party you attended as a friend of.... When I saw you w/o mkup when exercising I couldn't believe how pretty and young you were. Best looking skin of the bunch. Kyle is beautiful and reminds me of a Crystal Gayle the singer. I don't believe all the odd behavior but Kyle needs to go to alonon and cut out this BS co dependency with that sister. For god sake they are adults. I wished they would dump KIM she is annoying and nasty and a knat on my sleeve. Poof she's gone. I am sticking with you. Luck
M, you are a good addition to the show.Don't ever so such a period Makeup add in the first party you attended as a friend of.... When I saw you w/o mkup when exercising I couldn't believe how pretty and young you were. Best looking skin of the bunch. Kyle is beautiful and reminds me of a Crystal Gayle the singer. I don't believe odd course this is all true but Kyle needs to go to alonon and cut out this BS co dependency with that sister. For god sake they are afults. I am sticking with you. Luck
Could be just me but I would think someone who has been beaten and controlled for many years would need some time to come out of that funk. I don't think Taylor is one-dimensional. I think she's just dealing with someone abusing her, then committing suicide and then having people sue her. Do you want her to do cartwheels every time the camera is on her? I find that Kyle is the one who is FOREVER either starting drama or inviting people to her home to continue it after she's instigated it. Even with yoga, the first thing she did was change subjects from you being on your phone and being late to what happened at dinner. You might want to check out your friend for having the drama bug.
Hi Marisa! Welcome to the RHOBH!!! Why don't you take off your coat and stay awhile?
Is what we see on t.v. NOT the real Kyle? Do you see something beautiful in her that we don't see? I hope so!!!! I see from previous posts that you have been warned. Take note.. You may want to make Kyle aware as well. If she cares.....
We all know that faye is bitter towards Brandi because bravo chose her to be a housewife and not her. So, becareful there sister, hopefully you'll replace Adrian and if that happens watch out for a Faye attack!!! TTYL <3
WATCH out your friend Kyle loves all the DRAMA, she and her sister PHONIES
Soooo glad you are basing your opinion of Brandi based on Brandi and not on Kyle. Glad to see you come in with a backbone. I used to like Kyle but now see her as incredibly manipulative and mean. What floors me is that both she and Kim (and now Faye) constantly bring up how wrong it was for her to accuse Kim of using drugs. Ah, excuse me did anyone pay any attention at all to how they had been treating her. I think I would also have pulled all stops and said what came to mind. They brutalized Brandi and she could not even leave because they had hid her crutches - WHO DOES THAT?? It is hands down the worst behaivor amongst women that I have ever witnessed. I cannot imagine what they were like in High School!
Brandy has so many anger issues and she just keeps on adding to them with her mouth. She needs to learn to let is ride and eventually the ones that have wronged her so badly will get theirs in the end. She need to clean up her mouth too. Using the F bomb so much just makes her appear trashy. She is a beautiful woman and should learn to walk away instead of digging her problem deeper! Kyle is a peacemaker. Kim like to stir things up.
I am liking you!! With that said, I think you should keep your eyes open regarding Kyle. I agree that she may not like drama, but she definitely isn't afraid to stir it up if it involves Brandi, period. You will see this as time goes on--it is nothing but jealousy, but it is ugly to see, nonetheless. Just be fair as you get to know the women, as I think you will really enjoy getting to know Brandi and Lisa. :)
Thank you for standing your ground and telling it the way you saw it. Kyle chooses which sides she wants to show certain people and evidentially you haven't seen the bad sides of her until last night, she's an instigator. I think your a good friend for her because you'd keep her humble. Her friends on this show are like puppy dogs at her side, it's pathetic.
I see what you are all about in a couple of week before I can say anything
I am not sure why you are blogging on here, you are not a housewife featured on this show and frankly why do you care if you are not on this show?
Marissa that is terrible advice from, xxxemxxx, but then, you probably know that!
@RoseWilde ...excellent point about Kyle!! Well said!
Brandi has NOT "had a problem with everyone". Only a couple. And I can't believe you can be so blind Adrienne and Kyle hired Faye to attack Brandi. Adrienne attacked Brandi first and refused to talk to Brandi in private (just like she did with Lisa about the selling stories - waited til camera time at reunion) and Adrienne got her medicine back. Faye will never make that mistake again. Once again, Adrienne shouldn't spread personal rumors about Brandi if she can't take her own medicine back. Serves herself right that everyone hates Adrienne. Most people with a heart and soul and wisdom can understand this.
@nycgirl69 I don't recall Brandi telling anyone "off" on the show so I don't know what "her own medicine" means.
Not EVERYONE loves Brandi. Some of us think Brandi is way too suggestive and loud-mouthed, and without necessary filters. How 'bout that dress she wore this week... the one that Bravo had to screen. WHo'd wear that out and about?
@bravoliscious I couldn't agree more!
PMSL, trying not to fall off my chair laughing. Kyle the peacemaker? That'll be the day! rofl Hell will freeze over. You've never watched the show, have you? Kyle is a malicious and manipulative instigator. Haven't you read these blogs, about how everyone has called Kyle out for setting Brandi up at the dinner with Faye? Where have you been? Hello? Kyle has NEVER been a peacemaker in the entire series. Kyle is an instigator and master manipulator, the most devious schemer there is. Kim is a harmless flake. Do watch RHOBH. Because you don't seem to have seen one episode of it yet.
Shocked that this would be your position after watching latest episode. What I saw was Brandi being attacked while she kept her cool and gracefully exited the volitile dinner. I believe after the dinner & then the sit down with Scheanna, she proved she has learned to ealk away. Kyle a peacemaker? You would be in the 2% range that thought that. She is quite the opposite of peacemaker.
Um, I think you are very very confused. O_o
@motherofthreebeauties Keep up please She IS the new housewife on the show
Why do you care? Your not on the show!
She is a housewife on this show. Not sure what you are annoyed about. She is a friend of, like Camille is this season. I love her already. She doesn't seem to be in Kyle's back pocket like Taylor and Adrienne.
@motherofthreebeauties I'm not sure why you read her blog knowing full well that this was the blog you were going to read.
@motherofthreebeauties Um maybe because she IS on the show!
The ovewhelming majority does. I feel sorry for you that you judge on superficiality and can't look past swear words and not wearing a bra. Its CHARACTER that matters, and Brandi is all heart and soul, and THATS what people should judge her on. Thankfully, most people understand this basic human point, which is why 99.99479% of the viewers love her.


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Quick SummaryA number of the nation's key cities face unpaid bills for the retirement benefits they have promised their employees. Building on Pew's earlier work on state retirement systems, this report examines pension and retiree health care funding in 61 cities—the most populous one in each state plus all others with populations over 500,000—and looks at options for reform.
Executive Summary
As the Great Recession ended, 61 key cities across America—the most populous one in each state plus all others with more than 500,000 people—emerged with a gap of more than $217 billion between what they had promised their workers in pensions and retiree health care and what they had saved to pay that bill. While states have a much larger shortfall, cities face the same daunting challenges posed by unfunded liabilities for their public sector retirement benefits.[i]
For pensions, these cities had a shortfall of $99 billion in fiscal year 2009, the most recent year with complete data. The gap continued to widen in fiscal year 2010 as reflected by complete data for 40 of the cities, which saw unfunded pension liabilities rise by another 15 percent.[ii]
Besides pensions, many localities also have promised health care, life insurance, and other non-pension benefits to their retirees, but few have started saving to cover these long-term costs. These unfunded liabilities loom even larger than for pensions (see graphic).[iii] As of fiscal year 2009, the cities in this report had promised at least $118 billion more than they had in hand to cover retiree health care benefits.
Wide disparities exist in how prepared cities are to fulfill their pension obligations.
- Milwaukee and Washington, D.C., had surpluses at the end of fiscal year 2009, with enough money to cover 113 percent and 104 percent, respectively, of their liabilities, better than the best-funded state, New York, at 101 percent. [iv]
- In four cities—Charleston; Omaha; Portland, Oregon; and Providence, Rhode Island—pension systems were more poorly funded than those in Illinois, which at 51 percent was the lowest-funded state. [v]
- Charleston trailed all the other cities at 24 percent.[vi]
- Overall, the cities had enough money to cover 74 percent of their pension obligations in fiscal year 2009, compared with 78 percent for states.[vii]
Cities have more in common when it comes to gaps in funding for retiree health care and other non-pension benefits.
- As of fiscal year 2009, overall, cities had set aside enough money to cover just 6 percent of their promises, compared with slightly more than 5 percent in states.[vii]
- Only Los Angeles and Denver had even half of the money needed.
Executive Summary
[i] This report is the broadest look to date specifically at cities' retirement liabilities, though it covers a subset of all cities. By comparison, the 50 states faced a gap between assets and liabilities of $1.26 trillion for fiscal year 2009: $660 billion for pensions and $604 billion for retiree health benefits, according to the Pew Center on the States report "The Widening Gap: The Great Recession's Impact on State Pension and Retiree Health Care Costs," (April 2011), http://www.pewstates.org/uploadedFiles/PCS_Assets/2011/Pew_pensions_retiree_benefits.pdf. The gap grew to $1.38 trillion in fiscal year 2010: $757 billion for pensions and $627 billion for retiree health care, according to Pew's, "The Widening Gap Update," (June 2012), http://www.pewstates.org/uploadedFiles/PCS_Assets/2012/Pew_Pensions_Update.pdf.
[ii] Complete pension data for fiscal year 2010 were available only for 40 of the 61 cities. Pew used the most recent comprehensive annual financial reports available for cities during a final data collection period that began in March 2012 and lasted for several weeks. Even among cities that had issued their financial reports for fiscal year 2011, some reports lacked up-to-date data for one or more of their workers' pension plans. Pension data often are not as current as other financial information. Moreover, according to Pew's methodology, even pension valuations dated January 1, 2011, for example, would be counted as fiscal year 2010 data to reflect performance for the just-completed fiscal year.
[iii] This report uses "retiree health care" when referring to Other Post-Employment Benefits, a category that includes other non-pension benefits but in which costs are primarily from retiree health care.
[iv] The funding level for Washington, D.C., represents only liabilities accrued since 1997 in defined benefit pension plans for firefighters, police, and teachers. The federal government in 1997 took over financial responsibility for benefits accrued by those workers up to then, as well as retirement benefits for judges, relieving the city of $4.9 billion in unfunded liabilities that it had inherited from the federal government. The city also contributes to a defined benefit plan (for 2,700 general municipal workers hired before 1987) that is managed by the federal Civil Service Retirement System, but an estimate of the city's share of those liabilities could not be obtained. This study does not include the costs of pension benefits for general municipal employees hired since October 1987. They are not in a defined benefit pension plan but instead receive benefits through a defined contribution system in which the city deposits money each year into a retirement account for each employee. See Government of the District of Columbia, "Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2011," (September 30, 2011), 111–117, http://www.cfo.washingtondc.gov/cfo/frames.asp?doc=/cfo/lib/cfo/cafr/2011/cafr_2011.pdf.
Portland, Oregon, had virtually no assets to offset unfunded liabilities of $2.3 billion in fiscal year 2009 in its pension and disability plan for police and firefighters hired before 2007. Meanwhile, the plan covering the rest of Portland's employees was estimated at 86 percent funded, with unfunded liabilities of $453 million. Portland funds the retirement costs of police and firefighters hired before 2007 on a pay-as-you-go basis, meaning the city relies on property taxes each year to pay benefits and does not attempt to set aside money for the future to meet those liabilities
[vi] States' pension funds were 78 percent funded in fiscal year 2009 and 75 percent funded in fiscal year 2010, according to Pew's "The Widening Gap" and "The Widening Gap Update" reports.
Key Findings: Pensions
[ii] While the target funding level for a pension plan should be 100 percent, funding below 80 percent of actuarial accrued liability is widely recognized as inadequate. An 80 percent benchmark is used by the Pension Protection Act of 2006, a federal law that pertains to private sector pension funds, to determine when stricter funding rules apply. In the context of public sector pensions, 80 percent provides a useful dividing line for comparing pension systems. But there is debate about what funding level short of 100 percent signifies a healthy plan. For a discussion of this issue, see American Academy of Actuaries, "Issue Brief," (July 2012), http://actuary.org/files/80%_Funding_IB_FINAL071912.pdf); or an explanation by pension experts Keith Brainard and Paul Zorn, (January 2012), http://www.wikipension.com/images/0/0a/80_percent_funding_threshold.pdf.
[iii] Four of these cities actually made all or most of their annual payments for certain pension plans, but still fell short overall because they did not sock away much money for others. For example, Charleston and Portland, Oregon, consistently paid all or most of their annual recommended contributions for their general employees' pensions but not for those of police and firefighters. Portland does not even attempt to set aside money for the pensions of police and firefighters hired before 2007 but relies on property taxes to cover those pension checks each year, leaving unfunded liabilities on the books.
Over this time period, Little Rock consistently made 100 percent of the annual payments recommended to fully fund its long-term pension promises to police and firefighters hired since 1983. Its payment record overall appears much lower because Pew's calculation also covers three defined benefit plans closed to employees more than three decades ago. In such situations, a city may pay benefit costs as they arise, an amount often less than 100 percent of what is actuarially recommended. Pew's calculation does not take into account the city's annual payments to its defined contribution retirement plan, which has covered non-uniformed city employees since 1981.
In similar fashion, New Orleans made at least 80 percent on average of its annual recommended contributions to three current defined benefit pension plans for workers, while it did not make any contributions to two smaller closed plans for police and firefighters.
[iv] This result tracks trends from other studies, which show funding levels for different groups of public pension plans continued to decline in 2011. At the end of fiscal year 2010, the aggregate funding level for pension systems in the "Public Fund Survey" was 77 percent, down from nearly 80 percent in fiscal year 2009. The "Public Fund Survey" is made up of large state and teachers' funds, as well as a selection of large local funds. It is maintained by the National Association of State Retirement Administrators. Estimates for fiscal year 2011 funding levels by the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College project a small further decline in that year to 75 percent. It uses the same plans in its calculations as the "Public Fund Survey," with the addition of the University of California Retirement System.
Key Findings: Retiree Health Care
[i] The total bill for retiree health care benefits was larger than for pension benefits in only two of the 61 cities, as of fiscal year 2009. Boston and Bridgeport each faced more than a dollar in retiree health liabilities for every dollar in pension liabilities. (The unfunded portion of their retiree health liabilities also was larger than it was for pensions.) The reason is that both cities are responsible for retired teachers' health benefits but not their pension benefits, which are covered by the state. See "Bridgeport Comprehensive Annual Financial Report," (June 30, 2011), 55, http://www.scribd.com/doc/77057948/Bridgeport-CT-2011-CAFR. For Boston, see "Official Statement of the City of Boston Relating to Bond Offerings," (2011), A33–A34, http://www.cityofboston.gov/Images_Documents/2011%20GOB_tcm3-25570.pdf.
[ii] The following cities had larger unfunded liabilities for retiree health care than for pensions: Austin; Baltimore; Boston; Bridgeport; Charlotte; Columbia; Detroit; Fort Worth; Honolulu; Houston; Indianapolis; Jersey City; Memphis; Milwaukee; Nashville; New York City; Oklahoma City; Providence; San Antonio; San Francisco; San Jose; and Washington, D.C.
Lessons From the Recession
[i] The annual recommended contribution (ARC) is the amount of money actuaries deem necessary to fund the benefits earned by active employees in any given year (dubbed the "normal cost") in addition to money to pay down any unfunded liabilities. (The size of the payment also depends on a variety of other factors, such as benefits offered, contributions expected from employees, and the amount of time the city has chosen to achieve full funding.) Accounting standards currently establish the time for an unfunded liability to be paid down as no greater than 30 years, but some entities choose a different period. While some cities must make the total annual contribution because of law or pension system requirements, for others, the contribution often is not a required amount but a suggested amount, leaving cities free to underfund their benefits, thus raising the annual payment in subsequent years. To calculate the ARC, actuaries rely on assumptions for a number of future variables—the investment rate of return, inflation, and retiree life span, for example.
[ii] According to Pew calculations, the funding level of the 35 cities that consistently paid at least 90 percent of their annual recommended contribution declined four percentage points between 2007 and 2009. The funding level for the remaining cities fell nine percentage points.
Report Assets
- Date:
- January 16, 2013
- Contacts:
- Mark Wolff | 202-540-6390
- Project:
- Public Sector Retirement Systems
- Issues:
- Pensions, Retiree Health Care, Retiree Health Care Costs, Pensions
- State:
- National


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