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i must have several hundred magazines for my autos. they're all fully loaded magazines, an stored. my question is, will the springs weaken due to all the magazines being fully loaded? i have probably thirty some diffrent caliber autos, all with atleast 30 to 40 magazines a piece. i like to know they are ready to be picked up an taken should time ever arise. but if storing fully loaded magazines is o good for the springs, well then i need to know. thank you all for your help an friendship.
KG is right,but that means they are good springs to begin with.Unless a bad run happens,your top name manufacturers are using quality springs so there should be no concern in most instances.
AR 30rd(at least older ones) and 8rd in 7rd tube 1911 mags depart from this a bit.Both are pushing the limit on the spring fully loaded,hence the old standard of downloading the mag a round or 2.High quality springs shouldn't take an initial set,but some do and it really doesn't matter much as long as it doesn't continue to shorten over time.I use Wolff springs for replacements in just about everything but HKs.Also don't fall into the hype of chrome silicon springs,they aren't better if you ask a metalurgist that works in that field.
So far you have reeived the correct information. Normally there is one or two who will say metalurgy is like vodoo science and they had a spring once that got weak from being loaded and all springs get weak being loadeed and scientist are part of a conspiracy to make you buy more springs. The guys who abducted them told them about springs as they were probing them in the mothership.
Springs are designed to carry a load and weaken with cycling.
Yes, I am one of those guys who say that magazine springs can weaken from being left loaded - because, I personally have had magazine springs weaken (magazines from more than 1 manufacturer) by leaving mags FULLY loaded for a long period of time... I've had them (the affected magazines) not lock the slide back on an empty mag anymore. At that point, I have to replace them with +10% Wolf magazine springs.
The comment about this train of thought being nonsense comes from some - saying that they can ONLY wear out from actual usage (up and down movement)... However, they have no information or data to back that up. I will say that my real world experience says otherwise...
Also, on the Wolff Gunsprings website (the people who do nothing but make springs for guns), they say the following:
Now, they should know better than anyone else about magazine springs. That is their comment, and I have personal experience to say that their advice seems to be true.5. How often should I change magazine spring? Should I unload my magazines, rotate magazines, load with fewer than the maximum rounds?
Magazine springs in semi-auto pistols are one of the most critical springs and are the subject of much debate and concern. Magazines which are kept fully loaded for long periods of time, such as in law enforcement and personal/home defense applications, will generally be subject to more fatigue than the weekend shooter's magazine springs in which the magazines are loaded up only when shooting.
Magazine design and capacity also affect the longevity of the spring. In many older pistol designs, maximum capacity was not the always the goal such as with the 7 round 1911 Colt magazines will last for years fully loaded. There was room for more spring material in these guns which reduces overall stress and increases the usable life of the spring.
More recently higher capacity magazine have become popular. These are designed to hold more rounds with less spring material often in the same space. This puts more stress on the spring and will cause it to fatigue at a faster rate. Unloading these magazines a round or two will help the life of the spring. Rotating fully loaded magazines will also help the problem somewhat but it is not always practical.
Followers have gotten shorter/smaller, to squeeze in an extra round or two (how more modern 9mm doublestacks have gone from 15 rounds to 17 or 18 rounds in a magazine that is essentially the same length). This puts more stress on the spring when the magazine is fully loaded...
But, discount this information if you wish...
As the previous poster said please discount that information. If I were in the business of selling magazines I would word my website very similarily. I would also attempt to train people to believe their real world experiance contridicts science. My attempt might be a little more obvious
but it obviously could barely be any more effective.
See, but you base that on ZERO data to prove anything. If its true - show it...
I have had HK mags and Beretta mags and Ruger mags have this happen to them. On multiple occasions too (so, more than just 1 mag of each brand). But, you being the metal expert must know otherwise - because you said so. That's it.
I've explained real world experience AND comments from a spring manufacturer. You say otherwise, just because... I really have no intention of debate, but I love how people take your stance on forums all the time when this question comes up... Call others full of it, and all because "they say so" with nothing else but their claim that everyone else is nuts...
Regardless of what Wolf says (which backs up my point of view) - I've seen it personally. So, there is something to it in some cases, no matter what you show me that says the contrary... And, it makes sense. A 7 round 1911 magazine will likely never have such an issue. There is more room between the bottom of the magazine and the bottom of the follower. Hi cap mags over 15 rounds CAN suffer from this. Do they all? No, but some do.
I have had this discussion with you before, if not you then the last guy who believes the same folly you do. I have presented the facts and metalurgical specs that explains the way and reactions of spring steel. Only to have it dismissed as silly metalurgy andt that has no place compared to real life, one time, no standard, undocumented, it happened to me and makes sense logic. I will not bother to join the debate you have no intention of having. I will just tell you a fact or two.
Here are facts:
There are many aspects of metal that are not understood or realized by those noyt in the steel industry, first and foremost in this discussion you have to understand creep. Creep is the slow flow of a non-ferric metal like copper, brass and lead under force. At temperatures outside of a furnace, steel doesn't have any appreciable creep. Under most conditions, steel flexes and then returns to its original shape. When pushed past its elastic limit, steel will bend and not return to its original shape. All designers of well-made magazines make sure the spring never approaches the elastic limit when the magazine is fully loaded. Honest. This means the spring will not weaken when the magazine is fully loaded -- not even over an extended time. Like 50 years
The only way to weaken a magazine spring is to flex it past its normal range (elastic limit). Maybe that is what was someones real world experiance I cant say but neither can they. If this is happening, somebody is trying to overload a magazine or has "adjusted" it by bending the spring. or is moving the mags and causing the bullets to roltate or movre in the mag. All of these could cause feed failures. There are many factors that can play into a a loaded magazine and the springs ability to retain uits original shape. However the simple fact that it is loaded sadly is not one of them.
You can have your real world experiance and words of wisdom from vendors of a product that is actually designed not to fail. Without seeding doubt the product will never really neeed to be replaced. I will let this go now but I will not let you tell people what is not true, is true because you seen it happen. When a ship goes past the horizion it does not fall off the earth even if one you saw never came back. You are arguing against science and this is a proven scuence ASTM A228 is the spec for spring type steel, if you have time to see the charts and understand the spec you will know something other then your bullets sitting perfectly still on the spring over time weakened the spring, you think weakened from being loaded. If you need more you you can not be convinced of facts. Good luck be safe....
That is my exact opinion of your comments as well. It is one of these things that I will say (and have above, essentially) - believe what you want. But, I have gone back to the habit of the 1980s and early 1990s - underload the magazine by 1 round. I have had much less problems with this issue.I will let this go now but I will not let you tell people what is not true, is true because you seen it happen.
So, once again - I have given specifics, given personal examples, and given quotes from a spring company... But, of course, I am to be ignored because you know better, just because you say so.... Everything I have said is a lie, and I am a crackpot for believing it... Essentially your claim... Whatever....
Last edited by denner; 07-31-2012 at 07:40 PM.
The truth is that springs shorten slightly when they are first loaded, but that slight shortening does not indicate that the shortened spring has been weakened.
Only repeated flexing (that is, for instance, repeated loading and unloading a magazine) will eventually weaken a spring.
Every spring "takes a set" when it is first flexed. That's the shortening you will observe. But taking a set is not the equivalent of weakening.
Only "metal fatigue," the cracking of the molecular bonds of the metal's crystalline lattice, will eventually cause a spring to fail. The metal's crystalline-lattice bonds crack only as the result of repeated flexing. QED.
I respect the knowledge of the Wolff Springs people, but I also believe that anyone who suggests that the best thing to do would be to underload your magazine by one or two rounds is focussed more on the spring than on its function.
The function of a 12-round magazine, for instance, is to deliver 12 rounds to your pistol, reliably and without fail. Although the magazine's spring would last longer, were you to load the magazine with only 10 rounds, doing that would defeat the entire purpose of the magazine.
Load the magazine with the whole 12 rounds, and be aware of potential spring failure from your use. Replace the spring when it starts to misbehave during practice.
Rotate your magazines, using the more-newly-sprung ones for concealed carry, and relegating older springs to practice shooting until those springs fail.
Then replace the spring, and perhaps use the magazine for carry purposes again.
Don't forget that a magazine's feed lips are also springs, also subject to fatigue and failure.
Be prepared to discard magazine bodies, too, when they show symptoms of fatigue.
I have had to replace Beretta mags as soon as 3 months after being loaded to the 15 round max. After 3 or 4 mags of this occurring, I have extra wolff springs on hand. Now, I have the magazines marked that I have replaced the springs in.
Now, loading those to full seems to not have the negative effect on the springs as it does on the factory springs. The Wolf +10% springs are apparently better than factory springs. But in general, I still do not leave these loaded to the max anymore.
This is occurring with both 15 round fullsize Beretta mags AND 13 round compact mags. (I have a compact Beretta mag spring I need to replace right now, in fact)
Also, I have owned several Hk handguns over the years. I have had to replace the magazine spring on EVERY Hk USPc 9mm and Hk USPc 45 magazine I ever owned (guns I previously owned) for reasons stated in previous posts (just like the Beretta mags). I put the +10% springs in there to help eliminate this need again... When you have to start replacing springs in 10-14+ magazines, it gets expensive (and HK mags are expensive to begin with).
Also had this issue with Ruger magazine springs in the past too.
Now, it does seem that once I replace the magazine spring with a Wolff magazine spring - the problem has never occurred again. But, this illustrates that FACTORY magazine springs can and due suffer. Wolff must make a better product.
Now, I no longer top off the magazine in most of my handguns. I load the magazine fully, then chamber a round, and THEN I do not add one more round to the magazine anymore... hence, underloading it by one. The exception is when the magazine is a 10 rounder or less. I do top those off because of the limited capacity... But, I accept that I may have to deal with this issue with those mags...
Curiously enough, I've never had a problem with magazine springs in a mag that holds 10 rounds or less...
If it's a magazine with over a 10 round capacity, I now underload it by one. I do rotate my magazines.
But the original poster specified that he had a LOT of magazines fully loaded. My whole point was that he may want to reconsider that...
I do believe that the elements contibute to spring fatigue as well, not only cycling, such as: oxidation, reduction, rust, humidity, etc....as well.
I'll only say this ONE MORE TIME....
If you can't afford to replace a part THAT'S MEANT TO BE REPLACED, then you most likely can't afford to shoot your guns!
Springs are CONSUMABLE parts. That means that they need to be replace when they no longer work. As Steve pointed out, the magazine is there to feed your pistol, not last forever. Why in the hell would you buy a gun capable of holding XX amount of rounds only to carry it everyday with XX-2 rounds? I hope for their sake that the people who down load their magazines because they don't want to replace a $6 spring never run into a situation where they need those extra two rounds.
Six frickin' dollars vs. a potentially life saving couple of rounds. You make the call. (what am I wasting time typing this out for? Many folks couldn't get a draw from concealment hit on a low percentage target in under 4 seconds let alone 2. Hell, download your mags by 5. Your springs will outlive you!)
So, first - I'm full of it because I can't possibly be right. Now, "springs are consumables."
Geeze... Once again, the original poster has 30-40 magazines - all loaded (as per his post). he asked a question. According to some, I know not what I say. But, all of a sudden, springs are "consumables." Interesting...
I've dealt with this same issue by leaving rifle magazines loaded to capacity over a long period of time too. I'm not saying every magazine will suffer from this - but some do and will...
In closing, I will say that I personally think that leaving a lot of mags fully loaded for a long period of time is a bad idea. If you want to leave a lot of mags loaded, under-loading by 1 CAN and WILL extend the life of your magazine spring (NO WHERE DID I SAW UNDERLOAD BY TWO, I said ONE - and I admitted that I do not do this for 10 or less round magazines).
Cycling loaded mags also help save the life of a magazine spring (this was advice in like EVERY gun magazine in th e 1990s and 2000s... But, if springs don't wear out by keeping them loaded, why would some of you advocate this as a strategy? If I am wrong, then it would make no sense now, would it?
"Consumable" talk all you want... If he (the original poster) needs those mags one day - the ones left loaded for extended periods of time... When he's using them is NOT the time to find out that they MIGHT NOT be working because they were left loaded too long. Tell the bad guy to wait while you order some new springs and change them.....
Am I exaggerating? Well, look at what Denner said... His gun didn't work when he hit the range because of it... But he's lying too, right? And, if Denner needed his gun the night before he went to the range (for self defense purposes)? What then? Well, springs are "consumables" at $6... So, he can tell the attacker to wait a minute while he stops to change mags?
Yes, I am being sarcastic because of the attitude here... I feel like I have to spell it out 1 letter at a time... I A-M N-O-T S-A-Y-I-N-G T-H-A-T T-H-I-S E-F-F-E-C-T-S E-V-E-R-Y M-A-G-A-Z-I-N-E, but it can effect some.
This topic is always annoying because the "springs don't wear out by keeping them loaded" guys still have no proof that I am wrong. I just am just "wrong" because they say it's so... I must be so out of it, because what I have seen with my own eyes can't possibly be true. I MUST be lying or making things up or be in denial...... None of that could have possibly happened, because they say so...
Also, there is always some way they can validly excuse the FAQ info from a GUNSPRING manufacturer, right?
I'm finished with this thread. Others can take from it what they wish... I am not wrong...
Don't ya love this subject,hehe?Believe it or not,everyone has a point here.My 'puter ate the big one but I had a spring metalurgist jump in to one of these and lost that and more-again.The initial set is seriously dependant on-guess what-price.
Like I said,Wolff is basically THE spring as stated.The only thing I don't use them for is HK because they have had known bad runs as Shipwreck has implied.The dude I had the article from had covered all aspects of this conversation covered,but it wasn't limited to just mag spring,it was springs period.We accept a set and lived with it,no biggie as long as they don't go in the crapper fast.That being said,in a situation where the spring isn't being taxed by pushing the line between it's compressed length and space to be so,they're good.As SW said,Beretta pushes the line by my experience in the 92FS and I have 10 to prove it,a 7rd 1911 doesn't near as bad.GI 30rd AR mags do also.Throw 8rds in a 7rd tube 1911 mag conversion and they hit the sheeter fairly quick too.
Your car sits on springs,buy one and park it for decades.A cheap car may sag from set,a good spring will not,even holding up 2 tons.Part of that 'set' also has to do with the seals in the shocks deteriorating and leaking down a touch.Considering when a 1911 recoil spring is 1/2" short of new and spent,we're really talking peanuts to a point.Now throw in an original spec 1911 mag that performed 60 years later fully loaded,and trying that with a mag that cost a good 7X that with basically a new and improved spring,follower,and hey-let's add 1/4" to relive some pressure on the spring.
Sorry guys,rambling again,trying to get over losing a pool tournament by one freakin'shot.Later.
I don't pretend to be a metalurgist but I do have a degree in civil / structural engineering so I know just enough to be dangerous. There are good springs made for high cycle use and there are inferior springs made to mimic the part design but at less cost. Springs work essentially by resisting a load that attempts to twist (torsion) the wire from its manufactured or "formed" state. So the number of cycles placed on the spring does result in some fatigue, the actual amount of weakening varying depending on the composition of the steel, load, temperture, and number of cycles placed on it. Also, if you took a new spring and loaded it just once and left it that way for an extended period it would be expected to suffer "some loss" of resistance to the load too but the actual amount would depend again on the metalurgy, temperture and other factors and it might be very, very minimal as to be negligible. Basiclly, we are talking about a $30.00+/- clip here so does it really matter in the end? Buy good quality clips manufactured with top quality parts and use them as they were designed. I think there is a little paranoia present in this discusion and I wonder if it is based on actual problems with clips or a perceived problem with clips? If you are worried about it then rotate the clips you have preloaded with empty clips periodicly to reduce the stress placed on the springs. And buy the best quality clips you can afford. And just because one spring in one clip fails does not necessarily mean that there is a problem with all of the same brand clips or for that matter the design. There ............ I feel better. Hope this helps a little.
There's no "all of the sudden". Springs have ALWAYS been a consumable parts. It's just that most people don't bother to maintain their weapons or don't shoot them enough before selling them off for the next "hotness" to ever have to worry about it. You'll also notice that I never said leaving magazines loaded is a good idea, other than to have them readily available. Having 30 guns with eleventy-billion magazines all ready to go, in my opinion, is silly. Personally, for one of my guns, I have about 60 magazines. 15 are loaded and used on a regular basis. The others sit stored for later use. Why anyone would load eleventy-billion magazines is beyond me. They can't carry them all with them in the event then needed to exfil the hell outta Dodge.
Geeze... Once again, the original poster has 30-40 magazines - all loaded (as per his post). he asked a question. According to some, I know not what I say. But, all of a sudden, springs are "consumables." Interesting...
Great. Good for you. Oh, and by the way, I was never addressing YOU specifically, but it seems as though you've taken this personally because you like to toss "consumables" around. I'm not taking it personally, I'm just exasperated by the steadfastness which people continue (read many people, not poor you) to think that things should last forever and never get scratched or ever have a broken part, etc.I've dealt with this same issue by leaving rifle magazines loaded to capacity over a long period of time too. I'm not saying every magazine will suffer from this - but some do and will...Again, I WASN'T ADDRESSING YOU SPECIFICALLY! There's many of us that always contribute to this same topic and I was talking to everyone... not just you. Please, for future reference, if I'm addressing you, I will quote your post or specifically type "@Shipwreck". Kaythanks.
In closing, I will say that I personally think that leaving a lot of mags fully loaded for a long period of time is a bad idea. If you want to leave a lot of mags loaded, under-loading by 1 CAN and WILL extend the life of your magazine spring (NO WHERE DID I SAW UNDERLOAD BY TWO, I said ONE - and I admitted that I do not do this for 10 or less round magazines).
You seem to like to point out what other people say... unfortunately, you're not very good at it. I've never advocated keeping a shit ton of magazines loaded, just the ones you need/use. I never said YOU said down load by 2. See how that works, I read what you typed. I didn't wave at the pool and say "Hey deep end, you've met your match today!!!"Cycling loaded mags also help save the life of a magazine spring (this was advice in like EVERY gun magazine in th e 1990s and 2000s... But, if springs don't wear out by keeping them loaded, why would some of you advocate this as a strategy? If I am wrong, then it would make no sense now, would it?
"Consumable" talk all you want... If he (the original poster) needs those mags one day - the ones left loaded for extended periods of time... When he's using them is NOT the time to find out that they MIGHT NOT be working because they were left loaded too long. Tell the bad guy to wait while you order some new springs and change them.....I don't think you're exaggerating, in fact I also never even mentioned that either. If a gun doesn't work because it's been sitting there and then when you take it to the range and it doesn't work... that's because the gun isn't being maintained properly. I guess I never have that issue because I function check my weapons when they come out of the safe. Pretty simple to do and it eliminates 99% of the issues one may have if a gun sits idle. (counting up the references to "consumables" just to make sure you're taking what I said personally... too bad, I wasn't talking directly to you... you just took it that way. Often a sign.)
Am I exaggerating? Well, look at what Denner said... His gun didn't work when he hit the range because of it... But he's lying too, right? And, if Denner needed his gun the night before he went to the range (for self defense purposes)? What then? Well, springs are "consumables" at $6... So, he can tell the attacker to wait a minute while he stops to change mags?Shipwreck, you're asking for data points. You've provided two. A gunspring manufacturer (who's in the business of SELLING gunsprings) and your own anecdotal evidence. So, a sample of two? Wow. That's definitive! You aren't proving the point from your point of view to any notable degree, except in your own mind. What I'm advocating, as you seem to have taken great affront to this word, consumable parts need replaced. Simple as that. Do springs have magical properties? No. Do they last forever? No. Do they need to be monitored and maintained? Absolutely. Should people come up for air from the deep end of the pool. Please do.
Yes, I am being sarcastic because of the attitude here... I feel like I have to spell it out 1 letter at a time... I A-M N-O-T S-A-Y-I-N-G T-H-A-T T-H-I-S E-F-F-E-C-T-S E-V-E-R-Y M-A-G-A-Z-I-N-E, but it can effect some.
This topic is always annoying because the "springs don't wear out by keeping them loaded" guys still have no proof that I am wrong. I just am just "wrong" because they say it's so... I must be so out of it, because what I have seen with my own eyes can't possibly be true. I MUST be lying or making things up or be in denial...... None of that could have possibly happened, because they say so...
Also, there is always some way they can validly excuse the FAQ info from a GUNSPRING manufacturer, riight?
I'm finished with this thread. Others can take from it what they wish... I am not wrong...
Nicely played........
American Handgunner: Magazine spring madness: 'creep' to your 'elastic limit' to un-earth the urban legend of 'spring-set' ………
The shooting sports are full of some of the most knowledgeable and capable people you'll meet anywhere. I've been impressed consistently with the abilities of those I meet at the range to diagnose and fix a gun problem with as little as some spray lube and a cotton swab. However, sometimes a myth will creep into the folklore.
The magazine spring myth has been around for many years and is growing in popularity. It goes something like this: "You should unload your magazines when they're not in use or the spring will weaken causing failures to feed." This has gone as far as shooting competitors actually unloading their magazines between stages to extend the life of their springs. A variant of this myth is: "You should never load a magazine to capacity and should always leave it one round short." What if you need that round some day?
Recently, I read an article in a gun magazine suggesting you rotate your magazines so the ones not in use can "recover and rest." The same author uses the phrase "spring-set" to describe weakness of a spring because it was compressed for a long time. Hogwash. There's nothing further from the truth. Springs don't care how long they're compressed and don't require rest, recreation or even a vacation from time to time.
Shameful Spring Benders
To put this one to rest, you have to understand creep. Creep is the slow flow of a non-ferric metal like copper, brass and lead under force. At temperatures outside of a furnace, steel doesn't have any appreciable creep. Under most conditions, steel flexes and then returns to its original shape. When pushed past its elastic limit, steel will bend and not return to its original shape. All designers of well-made magazines make sure the spring never approaches the elastic limit when the magazine is fully loaded. Honest. This means the spring will not weaken when the magazine is fully loaded -- not even over an extended time. Like 50 years. American Handgunner recently ran a story about a magazine full of .45 ACP that had been sitting since WWII and it ran just fine on the first try. So there you go.
Now that the light of truth is leaking out, lets talk about what is causing failures to feed. The only way to weaken a magazine spring is to flex it past its normal range (elastic limit). If this is happening, somebody is trying to overload a magazine or has "adjusted" it by bending the spring. Both of these could cause feed failures. Shame on you if you're a spring bender.
Carlton Nether, Customer Service for Beretta USA, tells us keeping a pistol magazine loaded for an extended period doesn't cause magazine spring failure, however, failures to feed can result. He says, "The ammo will 'roll' in the magazine. If the mags are kept loaded and moved around a lot -- say on a cop's belt -- the rolling action can, over time, cause creases in the cases. These creases can cause malfunctions. Also the top bullet will roll against the magazine lips and creasing can occur there as well. Just check old ammo that's been bouncing around in a magazine for a long time.
We tell police officers if they keep loaded magazines, take a few seconds to "cycle" the ammo. Periodically unload the mag and reload it in a different sequence. This movement will allow the bullets to be in different parts of the magazine and help eliminate creasing.
At STI, Dave Skinner, President and CEO says, "Personally, I rotate my 'under the bed' and 'under the seat' mags about every six months. I always empty them the 'fun' way and have never had a failure." Given what we learned above, this sounds like a good idea. Smith and Wesson customer service also says magazines can stay loaded indefinitely without hurting the spring.
As we add force onto a spring, it will displace the same amount for each amount of force we add. This is true until the spring passes a certain point called the elastic limit. Robert Hooke discovered this theory back in 1660. Hooke's Law states: "If the applied forces on a body are not too large, the deformations resulting are directly proportional to the forces producing them." Which means, in actual human being language, if we load a spring past its elastic limit, it permanently deforms. It still provides a force against the load but the force is no longer proportional. If this happens, when we unload the spring (such as when we empty a magazine that has been over-loaded) the spring never returns to a state where it can provide the same load for the same amount of displacement.
Trust Us
When a magazine manufacturer designs a spring, they plan for a preload. The spring is already compressed some in the magazine. On the curve below, this would be Point A. The spring compression would be designed to be below the Elastic Limit. When fully compressed, the spring would be at Point B. If the spring is ever compressed past the elastic limit, say to Point C, it won't ever behave the same. Like a recalcitrant lazy Uncle, it will have a lower spring force for each amount of displacement. On the drawing, the spring would now cycle between points D and E. This means that -- particularly with the last bullet or two -- the force pushing the bullet up would be less and lo-and-behold, a mis-feed might occur.
When somebody stretches your spring to "fix" your magazine, they are trying to get you back on the original curve. They may get pretty close, however, it's unlikely the spring will ever perform to its original design. The elastic limit is now shifted lower and your magazine spring may fail to perform fairly quickly.
Having said all this, if you have a magazine that isn't feeding right, what should you do? First, disassemble the magazine and clean it thoroughly. Then try it with new, factory ammunition in a freshly cleaned gun. This takes away some of the possible causes. If you are still having feed problems, send it back. Even the low cost, after-market magazine manufacturers will fix the problem at no cost to you other than shipping. If it's a magazine from the gun's manufacturer, let them troubleshoot and repair the problem. Otherwise, toss the mag. It's not worth risking your life to save a few bucks. And that's the truth.
RELATED ARTICLE: Definitions
Creep: The flow or plastic deformation of metals held for long periods of time at stresses lower than the normal yield strength.
Elastic Limit: The maximum stress that material will stand before permanent deformation occurs.
Yield Strength: The stress at which the metal changes from elastic to plastic in behavior, i.e., takes a permanent set.
Permanent Set: Non-elastic or plastic, deformation of metal under stress, after passing the elastic limit.
I'm not going to debate this any further - I took my tone in my replies as that tone had already been set.
I have SEEN this occur with my own eyes - I've stated my opinion, and I'm not going to repeat myself over and over.
Believe whatever you wish to...
We can agree to disagree. What is strange is that the opposing side of this argument typically cannot let it go at that...
My opinion on the matter... if you have a magazine that isn't functioning properly, replace the spring. If that doesn't fix it, replace the magazine. If that doesn't fix it, get the gun checked out or change ammo. See, that's a method, as in scientific method. Elimination of variables, not just believe me, a single solitary person who refuses to accept scientific evidence. These threads are replete with examples of long lasting springs and the things that damage springs and how springs function. Hooke was no slouch and his theory has been verified and re-verified many times. Who am I to discount good science? Keep in mind that Hooke's law is based on the technology of it's time. Did he have tempered high quality materials? No. Do we have those materials now? Yes. Am I being unreasonable to ask that someone believe what has been "witnessed" by thousands of people over decades of use? I think not.
It's all about data points. If I take a poll of experts on springs and I get 4 people to answer or I take a poll of experts on springs and get thousands of answers... well, the one with more data points is more likely to be the truth. You are a data point of one. I'm not calling you out, I'm not trying to berate you, I'm not calling you a liar, I'm not saying you don't know anything about anything. I'M SAYING THAT MANY PEOPLE BEFORE YOU (and me) have a better idea of how things react OVER TIME. *cough* datapoints *cough*.
If your experience is such that you believe what you do, fine, but I'd hope you would recognize that a data point of one is a lonely place to be.
Good day sir.


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Obama gets 4 more years to hopefully do something about the rising federal budget deficit and unemployment, among other things.
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I think the market corrects itself and we start seeing lower unemployment numbers (from 7.8%) in the next 6 months.
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We ran into the worst recession since the Great Depression.
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That issue has since come and gone.
After posting a 2.92 ERA in his first nine starts, Lee is 0-4 with a 7.30 ERA (24 2/3 IP, 20 ER) and an opponents batting average of .337 in his last four outings.
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During five starts last July, he was 2-3 with a 4.91 ERA (18 ER, 33.0 IP) with an opponents batting average of .287.
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Outings in which he goes at least seven innings, walks only one or two and posts an ERA in the 3.00 to 3.50 would suffice.
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May 21, 2006
From journal Myanmar - Come in Rangoon, Come in!
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October 17, 2005
If Cambodia has Angkor Wat and Bangkok has Wat Phra Kaeo, Yangon's gem lies in the revered Shwedagon Pagoda. Dating back some 2,500 years, the world-famous Shwedagon is not just a tourist attraction, but continues to be an important place of worship for the locals.
Situated on top of Singgutara Hill, its main stupa rises 100m from sea level and can be seen as far as 3km away. Shaped like a bell, gold plated, and adorned with precious stones like diamonds, sapphires, and rubies, it's believed that the main stupa enshrines eight hairs of the Buddha. Words alone cannot describe the grandiosity of the stupa, but perhaps some statistics would help. The 100m tall stupa is made of 60 tonnes of gold, plus 15 square feet of gold leaf. There are reports that the gold orb at the top contains 4,351 diamonds with the main diamond weighing 76 carats!
We arrived at the foot of Shwedagon around 4:30 in the evening and were told to wander freely on our own. However, we were advised to gather at the main open space in front of the stupa for a "magic show" at 6pm. We wandered around happily, clicking our cameras away.
At about 6pm, people started gathering in front of the stupa, where we waited for the magic to happen. With every degree of the sun going south, we witnessed truly one of the most interesting changes of lights. This splendid change of sunlight upon the golden stupa took everyone's breath away. Again, pictures are worth a thousand words.
Myanmar is a Buddhist country where Buddhism is not only a religion but a way of life. The locals adopt the "butterfly culture" as Myanmarese live in harmony and peace. They take whatever that comes their way as fleeting and nonpermanent. Hence, they do not get too upset if they are faced with calamity, and neither do they become overly elated when fortune comes their way. Every person in Myanmar aspires to make a pilgrimage to Shwedagon at least once in their lifetime. Given the abject poverty most locals live in, once is all they can probably afford. We saw many seated in front of the Buddha for hours without moving, probably in contemplation of life, probably in awe of the splendor in front of them.
Apart from Shwedagon Pagoda, other Yangon's attractions include the Kyaukhtatgyi Buddha. Measuring 230 feet long, this reclining Buddha is a major sight of Yangon. Adjacent to the temple is a marketplace for souvenirs. Apart from jade and rubies, teak is another major product of Myanmar, and one can find very interesting teakwood memorabilia, statues, and carvings cheaply.
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San Diego, California
July 17, 2003
*Small hint* If you don't want to pay for the foreigner fee, that get to the Pagoda early in the morning and make sure to leave before the guides start at 8am.
The foreigners fee is $5 and they might want charge you for a camera, so keep it in your bag while paying for your ticket. :) It is custom to take off your shoes and socks before walking up the steps and while visiting the pagoda. The scenery is beuatiful and the pagoda is huge. Layered with gold along with beautiful tiles and breathtaking statues. Follow the crowds of worshipers and make sure to notice which direction they are walking in.
The story is the pagoda was built on Singuttara Hill on top of another pagoda. The are is believed to be sacred because it holds the relics of three past Buddhas. Besides feeling the history behind this enormious structure one is amazed by the jewels and mass gold that covers the pagoda. The lower stupa is plated with 8,688 solid gold bars, an upper part with another 13,153. The tip of the stupa, far too high for the human eye to discern in any detail, is set with 5448 diamonds, 2317 rubies, saphires, and other gems, 1065 golden bells, and at the very top, a single 76-carat daimond.
Now, everyone that you talk to in Yangon will ask you if you have seen the Shwedagon Pagoda and I will tell you that you can't leave the city without circling the sacred site. If you get lost, ask around and you will be able to find someone that can point you in the direction of the pagoda.
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Sandwiched between two picture-perfect days last fall, a storm whipped through rural Georgia, pelting the team from Marriott Individual Incentives as it refurbished a tiny town's rundown park. The wind stole paint from brushes and pressed ponchos against damp faces and freshly painted surfaces.
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"There are almost no words. It was devastating to lose him," says Traci Samalis, Midwest regional sales manager. "Working with David was the happiest time in my career. He was the epitome of what I thought a good leader should be."
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The group turned to Lucy Eisele. Since launching Integrity Incentives, Big Lake, Minn., in 2005, Eisele has put a special focus on creating unique, heartfelt community service projects. Her meticulous planning starts in an unorthodox way. Rather than contacting local community development or service organizations, she starts by renting a car and driving around the target area, often finding communities that aren't expecting any assistance and perhaps aren't even aware of how much they need it.
To track down a suitable project for the Marriott group, she had to travel a ways from the Ritz-Carlton's upscale lakefront community. She eventually came across a park that had fallen into terrible disrepair in tiny Buckhead, Ga. (population 200 and not to be confused with the tony Atlanta suburb 75 miles west), about 45 minutes from the resort. Combining that with the availability of talented local artist Eugene Swain, she knew she had hit upon the magic combination of culture and need for the event, dubbed "Community Giving for Community Gathering."
"I always want to have twists and turns that all tie back together," Eisele says, explaining that all of her projects — she has done dozens — must include local color and local culture as well as a community need.
Eisele also insists on including members of the local community wherever possible. The 23-member Marriott team was joined by a dozen Buckhead natives, including Mayor Gail Wade and members of the city council. "Working with the community tugged at our heartstrings," Whitman says. "Now there's someone you want to please."
Together, the group painted barbecue pits and built park benches. Eisele divided everyone into teams, putting together people who don't often see each other. The "Rock & Rollers" were responsible for painting and staining, the "Preppies" did prep work, and the "Indestructables" built park benches and picnic tables. Everyone agreed that the toughest job was on the "Wacky-Yard Crew," who had to leave the picnic shelter, where everyone else worked, to plant shrubs, trees, and plants. Meanwhile, artist Swain was painting a commissioned mural.
For all of Eisele's planning, one area was left out, intentionally. While teams each knew what they had to accomplish, there were no instructions on exactly how to complete the tasks. That created some confusion at first, but Spencer says she was amazed at how quickly people organized themselves. "It wasn't like there were too many chiefs and not enough Indians. We were all Indians."
Despite the driving rain and wind, spirits were bolstered by a local disc jockey, who kept the group engaged with banter and dedications. "Everybody was singing, and we just got kinda goofy," Samalis says. "You would have thought we were a bunch of 5-year-olds."
When the exhausted, muddy team trooped back to the Ritz-Carlton that evening, one last surprise was waiting for them — an original painting by Eugene Swain. "Most of us were moved to tears by the paintings," Spencer says. "They were so indicative of the area."
The one thing they couldn't accomplish, with the weather worsening, was the placement of a plaque dedicated to Riddell. The city council members promised they would take care of it, and so they did. When the Marriott group returned this past April, holding a sales meeting in the area specifically so they could see the results of their handiwork, the bushes and flowers they planted were in bloom, and Riddell's plaque held a place of honor in the park.
"It was a little bit of closure for us," Samalis says. "Everything we do every day is with David in our hearts and minds, in how we handle things and how we move forward. He would have been so proud of us."
First David Riddell Scholarship
The International SITE Foundation has chosen the first recipient of the David Riddell Memorial Scholarship: Aniko Takacs from Budapest, Hungary. Takacs is an incentive coordinator for Aktiv Tours Budapest. She will receive complimentary transportation, accommodations, and registration for the SITE International Conference in Monterey, Calif., December 6-9.
Award Winner
In April, Lucy Eisele, Integrity Incentives, was recognized with the 2007 IMEX Commitment to the Community Award for designing Marriott's teambuilding event. Projects are evaluated on several criteria, including suitability, creativity, and sustainability. At the awards dinner, IMEX Operations and Marketing Director Carina Bauer said, "The clear sense of satisfaction and warmth gained through working closely with the local community made this project stand out. The team appreciated making new friends while also being generous with their time and energy."


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It was a farewell to one of TV's best-loved performers... and Bill Tarmey sang himself out in style.
As a montage of family photos flashed up on a screen, the voice of Coronation Street actor Bill echoed around Albion United Reformed Church, Ashton under Lyne, as one of his favourite recordings was played – Wind Beneath My Wings.
Then, as the coffin was carried down the aisle at the end of the funeral service, spontaneous applause broke out in appreciation of the devoted family man, and his gift to the world: the beer-guzzling loafer, pigeon-fancier and backer of duff horses, Jack Duckworth.
As Jack, Bill was beloved by millions around the world, said actor Nigel Pivaro in a eulogy to the man who was screen father to his Terry Duckworth.
Pivaro said: "Behind the character was the man, Bill. And Bill's huge generosity of spirit, his warmth, his wit, his kindness, his patience, his wisdom, those qualities which inevitably came to the fore were irrepressible.
"And any audience witnessing that could not fail to see those qualities Bill had in abundance."
Saying their farewells to Bill, who died aged 71 in Tenerife, were two families – his real family, including wife Alma, children Carl and Sara, seven grandchildren and a great-grandson, and the family of Coronation Street in which Bill was a mainstay for 31 years before his exit in 2010.
The current cast members and many former Corrie favourites included Liz Dawn, who played Jack's beloved wife Vera for more than 20 years.
Samia Ghadie, who plays Maria Connor, said Bill was 'one of the most decent and honourable men you would hope to meet'.
In a tribute on behalf of the family, the Rev Paul Stringer spelled out the differences between Bill and Jack.
He said: "In real life, Bill hardly ever went into a bookie's. And, just for the record, Bill was not that keen on pigeons."
Bill was born William Cleworth-Piddington in Ardwick, and was only three when his father died in the Second World War. His mum married again and home became 41 Butterworth Street, Bradford, Manchester. Bill met Alma at Ebenezer Methodist Church, Bradford.
Mr Stringer said: "Essentially, he was a humble man. Bill always used to say of himself, 'I'm not a legend, I'm a leg end'."
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The Bobcats led from start to finish in set one, taking a 6-1 lead on back-to-back aces by Mallory Salis to force a CMU timeout. Junior Kaitlyn McIntyre recorded her fifth kill of the set to pull CMU within six, 16-10, but it was as close the visiting squad got. OU extended its lead to as much as nine following a double block by Liis Kullerkann and Karin Bull and eventually closed the set with a 10-point win, 25-15.
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