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I'm not pissed off. I'm disappointed but proud of the guys.
Forget the injuries bad calls and so forth. We have "the best point guard in the league, the third best player in the league and the sixth man of the year and a champion coach yet we go seven games with GSW and get beaten by OKC obviously a better team .There is something wrong. We are the highest scoring team in the league and we have the best rebounder in the league. We have a shooter who shoots lights out coming off screens yet this team will never go anywhere in the playoffs.
Sacrilege -- should we dump Chris Paul? We played well without him with the offense running through Blake. His foul may have cost us game five and he wasn't "the best closer in the game" in game six. He bricked a lot of shots. Could we get better for the money?I'm sure he has a NO Trade clause.
When Blake gets shut down we become a jump shooting team. If we're hot we're unbeatable like the first half. If not we lose. Collison is almost as good at getting to the rack as CP3
We need a second scorer in the paint. We have no post up player. We have nobody like Westbrook LeBron or Ginibli or maybe even Durant who can get to the rack. Blake is getting better. Doc signed shooters. If Granger had produced we would have done A LOT better. DJ's hero is Bill Russell. Bill was a great scorer. DJ has to develop a post game. He's long armed and athletic. Why shouldn't he have one?
I know everybody will scream but we should consider every option. We obviously don't have anywhere near a championship team.
I think a lot has to do with Blake's passive demeanor. He seems to be content playing 2nd fiddle to Cp3, however, at the end of the day the team that wins the championship usually doesn't have their PG their best player. A change I think needs to happen is to 100% turn this team in Blake's team and have Cp3 be 2nd fiddle. I feel when people tell Blake he's the man (when Cp3 got hurt midway through the year) he plays at his best. Only way we make it to the Finals. Just my thoughts.
no ball movement when we're up. lots of blown leads as a result. complacent.
The Sterling fiasco would not have affected a true champion.
If the reason we lose is bad calls why bother to play? Do like DTS and dump the good players and make us a soap opera again. If we have to fight through fouls that's what we have to do or give up.
If you read what I wrote, I made it clear that the calls and the NBA's skewing the playoffs will reverse in our favor with a) the emergence of a genuine NBA recognized MVP that one of our Big Three must become and b) the expulsion of the Sterlings for once and for all...
These two factors and Clippers will be in the Finals....
Simple as that.
Wasn't Blake considered #3 for MVP? Durant isn't the public's idea of the NBA, it's Blake. He's better looking, more articulate and is more exciting to watch for the general public. My best friend knows nothing of basketball but said she wishes her daughter could date Blake. She wouldn't say that about Durant. Maybe he's on his way.
What I was saying is that we have to play through it. If we give up and simply complain about the calls forget it. Those are things you have to ignore. There has to however be something done about the refs although I doubt it. We need the ability of each coach to have one replay every quarter. This would stop a lot of the bogus calls.
You can't blame all of our problems on the refs. Much of it is our doing. There comes a point where we have to point the finger at ourselves as well. You can't blame the refs for CP bricking shots'
The guys you mentioned do get calls, absolutely no doubt but they are also absolutely great except Wade. I do agree that we got a lot of bullcrap calls.
The refs are not incompetent. If there are a lot of bad calls then they're not bad calls they are on purpose but it's not either or, it's and-both. Refs and problems with the team.
I figured out what I meant to say. There are things you can control and things you can't. We can't control the refs but we can control the quality of our play. That's what you work on and forget the rest.
Too true. Else you just say "not fair boohoo" and give up.
There were stretches of bad play,of course. But couple that with the bad calls at the end,it's tough to win. Every team has bad stretches. Point I am trying to make is that this team is a very good team. It took stupid calls to beat them in 6 games. It may have gone 7. There is no need to completely tear apart this team. If the Thunder somehow win the Chip this year,it's arguable that without that bogus call in game 5,the Clippers could have beaten the eventual champions or at worse gone 7 games. This team is right there guys. Maybe Chris Paul needs to learn how to trip himself or run into the ref and somehow get to the free throw line.
CP3's choke job + the refs = series is over
IMO, CP3 and Blake are not a good tandem, When CP3 was down, DC and Blake give us good game, I been thinking this long time ago, CP3 is the best pg in the league but he needs a partner that match his game.
Blake is a good passer also, and works better DC.
Chris Paul had a meltdown, and our defense abandoned us. Not sure where we go from here
But in all seriousness, Chris Paul is now going to feel the heat when he has largely been given a pass. He and melo are on the hot seat
This is the off-season that Cp3 will be scrutinized the same way Melo was/is. bank on it.
Doc was right in saying that the blown call was a series changing play but it was CP3 who made it possible for that to happen. That will go down as one of the biggest boneheaded plays of all-time. I truly believe if he had just let himself get fouled, we would have gone to the WCF.
What went wrong? Game 5. That game sealed our fate. CP3 choking and the refs killed us.
But the bigger picture, this team is VERY close. I see two holes that I would like to patch up.
1) SF position - Barnes is solid but I think we could upgrade. Someone who can really lock down and give a little more scoring from that position. This league is filled with talented wing players and we could use someone who can really D up.
2) Another big - This is an obvious. Prior to the last few games against OKC, we were getting beaten on the boards consistently, even by Golden State. We just need another reliable big. Davis isn't really a "big". He's a PF.
This was our first year with Doc. I think this team will just get better. No major overhaul is needed. I do feel this team was close. Heck, I think this team might've won it all THIS YEAR had we not been screwed over by the refs in game 5. We can compete with anyone. With a full year together, this team will play more as a unit next year and be more efficient.
I can't wait for next year.
CP3 either has to be traded or has to basically be an overexpensive role player, because we are going nowhere with a first option that chokes in the playoffs, is easily shut down by bigger defenders, and is consistently outplayed by all other elite players at his position.
For all the talk of "continuity," CP3 will be on the wrong side of 30 very soon. He is what he is at this point. If second-round exits are good enough for the rest of you, so be it, but I'm not interested in that fake "success."
What went wrong is the Clippers got in their own way.
I still think the Clippers are the more talented, better executing team. Unfortunately that's a blessing and a curse because basketball is a very dynamic sport and sometimes X's and O's only get you so far.
The Thunder played very freely and they put up shots that the Clippers might consider a "bad shot". But you have to be able to play the GAME. The Clips need to play more relaxed, they played too consciously at the end of those quarters and games.
The team that perfectly blends the two is the Spurs. They play within the system but if there is a matchup they want to expose, get an open look at a 3, or see a lane to drive, they don't hesitate. There was too much hesitance and e leash was too short for the Clips towards crunch time for the Clips this year. When they made epic comebacks, it's because they just simply PLAYed.
I would rather take my chances on a top 5 player than try to go another route. He will be 30 NEXT YEAR, he isn't 30 yet. So he's still got 3-4 prime years left. That's a pretty big window if you ask me. I think even the idea of trading him is utterly ridiculous.
I am taking my chances on Blake. I don't even think CP3 is the best point guard in the league anymore, let alone a top 5 player. If he was, he'd step up in the playoffs. Top 5 players and best PG's in the league step up in the playoffs. CP3's most memorable playoff moments: deferring to Jannero Pargo in Game 7 against the Spurs, and the Game 5 meltdown against OKC.
I love Chris Paul as a personality but he's paid over 100 million - not to win regular season games. To win when it counts. He blew it. Blake hasn't taken that next step but I see him getting there.
What people don't realize about CP3 is that WITHOUT him, we would've lost handily to the Thunder. Only because he played at such an amazing level up until game 5 were we even in the series. He went one stretch where he had like 36 assists and 2 turnovers. And there were parts of the series where our offense couldn't do nothing and Paul had to bail us out. The guy is that good. We are just so used to his greatness. I know nothing I say will convince some of you about his choke job and I am pissed off about it too but come on, this guy is the real deal and an amazing player. We need him. There is nothing we can get in return that will even come close to what he brings us.
Jordan didn't win his 1st until 28 and won his last title at 35. Kobe didn't win his first title as "the man" until he was 31. Prime years for a basketball player is usually 28-32. So Paul has at least 3 primes years left with a possibility of several more very, very good years left. That's still a pretty large window. This team is close. The last thing you want to do is panic and do an overhaul. We are only going to go as far as Paul and Blake will take us.
This team had the third best record in the league and that's where they finished. It was our first time this deep in the playoffs under a new coach. It takes time and we have discovered there are a few holes that need filling.
As Revival said, Barnes is an outstanding bench player, but is not someone you want starting and playing huge minutes. It's too bad Granger didn't step up and take that position over, but he had an injury and missed games just as he was making progress. Is he the guy? That's something Doc has to figure out A backup big is also vital. Somebody like Adams would be ideal. That will also help our interior defense and rebounding, both areas of weakness that were exposed in the playoffs. A bigger two guard would also be an asset on the defensive end.
Blake has to step up a bit more. He has to become our Karl Malone and I think he will. He's just not quite there yet and not quite confident enough in his jump shot. He'll get there. Chris Paul blew game five down the stretch, but that happens. Isaiah Thomas blew a huge game against the Celtics. People said Lebron wouldn't step up when it really mattered. Same with Magic Johnson in the early 80's when he had a few late game melt downs and Laker fans feared they would never get past the Celtics.
I have never been a Jamal Crawford fan. When he has the ball, the offense stops and everyone watches him play one on five. He's obviously a great player, capable of putting the team on his back for stretches, but he surely shrunk from the moment in this series. He's been a big time player, but has never been a big time winner. His lack of defensive effort, or awareness, may have cost us a game earlier in the series when he failed to step up and guard on a pick and Westbrook hit a three to put us down four with a minute and a half to go. Had he done what he should have, we have the ball down one and it's a very winnable game. His defensive lapses cost us significantly this series and he didn't have the lights out offensive game that would have made up for it.
Some of us are complaining about officiating I don't buy it Sure, there were some bad calls. There always are. The big area we need to improve is mental toughness. We blew game 5 and it had nothing to do with the official's call on the out of bounds play. Had there been no instant replay, no one would have complained about who the ball went off of. The point is, we should have never, never, put ourselves in a position to blow that game. Again, a player failed to show big on a screen, allowing Durant that three. Chris Paul has two turnovers, including that ridiculous attempt to get three shots instead of two. He should know, they will never give him that call. He's tried it a bunch and has never gotten it and never will. Protect the ball and knock down your two foul shots. Game over.
But winning in the playoffs is a learning process. Michael Jordan's Chicago team had to keep pounding on the door until they broke through. Same with I Thomas and the Pistons. Miami didn't win it all that first year with the big three. The Clippers have to keep this nucleus together and add a few pieces to shore up some weaknesses and come back stronger next year.
Get a little better and get tougher mentally. If they don't do something crazy, we're going to be one of the best teams in the league for the next several years.
I don't think we should pick up Crawford's option if we have a prayer of still being able to sign free agents. That would free up some cap space
I wouldn't want to be Jada Paul right now. Can't imagine he's fun to live with at the moment
All valid points.
But I disagree about the officiating. Yes, we choked and put the refs in a position where they could decide the game BUT it still doesn't change the fact that they absolutely blew that one call. In this day and age, we do have instant replay and that is the reality of the league today just as flopping is. And for the refs to completely blow it tells me something fishy is going on. That was our ball. And if we are awarded that ball, we probably win game 5. And who knows what after that. I mean if our players had choked it away without any controversy, it would be easier to accept that OKC was the better team. But the string of calls that went against us in game 5 is disgusting, especially the out of bounds play. That is one where the ref should not have missed because they were able to review it and it was clear cut.
As for Jamal, I am leaning a little more towards your view, which is something I wouldn't have thought about in the past. The guy is just so hot/cold. If he's going good, he can win games for you. But when he's bad, he's bad. Like playing 1 on 5 and chucking up bad shot after bad shot and providing nothing on D. He is getting up there in age at 34 so if we got rid of him, I wouldn't be pissed. But I still like the guy. He has the rarest skill of all in the NBA which is the ability to create your own shot. And just that alone is worth holding on too imo. I like the guy.
And finally, your point about other greats struggling before winning a ring is well documented and 100% true.
I think the bad/biased reffing has had the greatest impact on Blake. It feels like his passivity is a result of non-fouls, and a fear of being too aggressive. Add to that all the dumb touch-fouls (tapping Thompson twice when taking a three during the GSW series), and he's going to be in foul trouble. he ends up second guessing every possession.
I like Reddick as well, but he is a major defensive liability. I also think his game is a bit one dimensional as a shooter. having a two that could break down the defensive (aside from what CP does) would makes us a more complete team.
The biggest difference I see between the first and second round was DJ. OKC's length almost completely contained him. I haven't seen the stats, but I would guess that there's a major difference between the two rounds. he basically disappeared for long periods of time. And as much as I love his defensive focus, his lack of a post up game still hurts us, especially when Blake is on the bench or being passive around the perimeter.
Oh yeah...and that bench. JC and DC have been great, and even Davis has been solid since here. But the rest leave me wondering. I really miss the amazing bench we had two years ago!
My greatest fear is the DTS issue, and how easily he goes away....if at all. I've been a fan for what feels like forever. But if DTS stays, I won't support his product, or put money in his pocket. I'm already holding back on buying a jersey for a friend, as I don't want to hand him extra profits.
Agree 100%. I was telling my friends last night Blake needs to become the alpha male. He gets too passive. I do not know if it is confidence or he is just too "nice," but in the end I think it comes down to him stepping up as the MAN.
Redick should only start next season If we upgrade at the 3. But to be honest, the only player I really blame is Chris Paul. I don't believe in him anymore and don't think having him gives us an advantage against equally or more talented teams.
I think you are being overly critical of CP3. The dude played both ends of the court relentlessly. He doesn't have the luxury like Steph Curry and other PGs who can just relax on Defense. He exerted way too much energy running around guarding Westbrook and at times Durant. By the end of the game, he was gassed and led to terrible decisions. Tired legs basically took out his mid-range jumper that he almost always makes. It also took away his ability to finish at the rim.
Redick and Crawford are great but they suck on defense. As much as I hated seeing Collison on the floor, he gave CP a chance to take a breather. Collison is not the greatest defender but he at least tries.
Look at the end of games. Westbrook doesn't defend CP. Either Reggie Jackson or Sefolosha does so Westbrook can focus on offense.
This coming draft, the Clips need an elite perimeter defender.
Also, regarding the topic...what went wrong this year is the front office didn't utilize the final roster spot to sign wing that can defend a PG/SG/SF. Doc didn't play Willie or Reggie and Granger barely played. You don't think someone like Donte Jones could have helped?
Crawford got us back into game 5 with his 4 point plays and helped pushed us further ahead during earlier runs. Think the passive mindset of Paul and Griffin hurts us because they look for others in grind it out moments. Look at most of the game Paul (Paul added to his shots by chucking late) and Griffin had almost the same amount of shots as Redick and Barnes that just can't happen. When OKC was getting closer we needed Blake face up attacks and Chris Paul off picks getting to the bucket or freethrow jumpers.
Had the Clips won this series, Paul's performance in this series would've been memorable and been talked about for a while. From his 3 points shooting in game 1 to his unheard of turnover/assist ratio to his D on Durant. He was absolutely magnificent sans the later part of game 5. It's just a shame that the last 50 seconds of game 5 will define him when people talk about this series. He was brilliant besides those 50 seconds. He really had to exert himself tremendously on both ends of the court, playing great defense on both Curry and Westbrook.
Paul never truly got a grip on slowing Westbrook outside of the occasional steal and never consistently pressed him into jumpers. Westbrook had an elite series and us doubling or getting beat led to a lot of Griffin, Jordan, and Davis weakside fouls. On offense game one was his best scoring game (Game 6 was a lot of late game chucking that went in after we had no chance) but he did assist well this series.
This is partially what went wrong.
Westbrook is a shooting guard. His game is attacking the basket. He has 3-4" on CP and is a lot bigger and more athletic. He did what he could. Westbrook averaged almost 5 turnovers a game.
A lot of the times when Westbrook got free was off the P&R. And that becomes team defense. For the most part, I thought Paul did a great job of keeping WB in front of him in the perimeter when they were isolated. WB didn't have a lot of blow bys on Paul on iso IIRC. Most of WB's damage was off the P&R, where the help defender was supposed to help. I don't think our bigs did that good a job on WB to be honest. WB is a special talent, one of the most athletically gifted athletes to every play the game, so we shouldn't hang our heads too much because he actually played up to his potential for once.
I'm touched and saddened to hear how emotional the players were and are. Bumpy times ahead
I still think we need a proper bench. Paul was shaky at the end of a few games due to the minutes he's playing. Other times we've shown weaknesses at spots due to foul trouble. We just don't have the kind of bench that's been supplying either points or defense, aside from some good stretches from Crawford and Davis. It plays right into the 'strategy' of calling non-fouls.
this has a lot to do with Jamal going one-on-one. Often the first stringers get a lead and when 2nd stringers come in, Jamal included, everyone just watches Jamal.
Jamal is a lot of times with the starting unit and Paul/Griffin let him take his guy one on one. It's not on Crawford those guys and Doc want him to be aggressive he has won us more games than he has lost us with his shooting. It shouldn't be that way in big games or when he is cold at some point I guess we got to comfortable with it.
Keep the core, but bring in 2 way players at the SG and SF position. Get average to above average back up bigs. Another year in Doc's coaching system will also help.
Don't panic.
My choices are Jordan Hill and Shawn Marion.
That's absurd. CP3 is a great player. He locked down KD during the comeback, he orchestrated a team that, by all rights, should have beat The Chosen One and his band of refs. Sometimes YOU JUST LOSE. Someone has to. Especially when the refs take your sidekick, BG, out of his game by calling ticky-tack fouls that they never call on LeBron, the other "power player."
The bigger worry is not the team. Clippers will grow just as the Heat did and the Lakers before them. The worry is if DTS drags this on and on. Then you have problems.
Other than that, great season!!! And great future!!!
I read comments and post my opinions daily. I've only been posting for a month but never have I read such negative comments about the Clippers. Nobody wanted to trade CP3 when he took over in the 4th quarter and won games. No one wanted to trade JC when he was hitting those 3's. This was DJ's best season and I can see him getting better. I have been a Clipper fan for over 20 years and this was their best year. If you're a true fan you roll with the punches and don't disc them because they lost. I believe you're upset and don't know how to react in a positive way. Relax, take a deep breath and get ready for the next round. Now let's all say together. Go CLIPPERS!!!!!!!!!
Your Nevada Fans
1 through 5, I think the Clippers are the 2nd best starting lineup in the NBA only behind the Wizards. I think y'all need a couple back up bigs, a defensive stopper, and Doc needs to use them during the season to create some consistency. You have the #1 pg and pf in the league, a top 5 center and a great shooter in Redick. I'm not sold on Barnes but he gives it his all and would be a great back up. I actually think your future is brighter than OKC's and everyone else's in the West with Portland a close 2nd. Good luck in the future and if my Thunder tank in yrs to come, then I will be cheering the Clips on. I'm a big Griffin fan and he will always be one the greatest Sooners of all time. I love CP3's game and think he is one of the greatest pg's of all time. Westbrook isn't even close to being as good as Paul. Westbrook is too erratic for me. What good is 10 assists when he has 5 turnovers? His shot is mostly luck and there is a reason I call him Westbrick. Athletically, he is unmatched but he isn't a true pg to me. You also have a great coach in Doc Rivers and I wish he was OKC's coach. Y'all's future is so bright if the ownership problems can be fixed.
It doesn't have a lot to do with passivity, it's skill set. When he was played by the likes of Lee who is not physical BG makes him look like ham on rye but a physical player like Ibaka who bodies him up and gives him no space bothers him. He has to learn how to combat this. Footwork!
Westbrook annoys me, but the criticism he takes is unfair. He's really impressed me in the playoffs so far aside from his hypocritical flopping, whereas the so-called "MVP" has played well below his standards with zero criticism at all. He's not a traditional point guard, but after watching another second-round exit from CP3, I'm beginning to feel that traditional PG's are overrated and that speed, athleticism and scoring are more valuable at the position now.
He WAS the alpha you're describing when CP3 was out. Honestly, it all comes back to CP3 being the problem. CP3 dominating the ball makes Blake passive and wastes his unique skillset that includes passing and handles.
Yep. Pretty much!


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"Everybody's doing something; we'll do nothing!"
By Anthony Castrovince/MLB.com
On Twitter: @Castrovince
The MLB Trade Deadline has passed, and what did the Indians do?
They did nothing.
Well, sure, they acquired Brent Lillibridge last week and they got Lars Anderson from the Red Sox just before the deadline, but, you know, like I said:
They did nothing.
For the better part of the past two months, those of us who like to discuss such things talked about the Indians' needs: Should they pursue a right-handed bat or starting arm? Starting arm or right-handed bat? Bat, arm. Arm, bat. Both? Tribe fans studied Jason Vargas' game logs. They tried to talk themselves into Alfonso Soriano. And just when there seemed to be some consensus that, yes, an arm was what the Indians needed most, well, that's when a new opinion intervened…
The Indians should sell! Yes, that's right. They went 6-11 after the All-Star break and fell five games back of first place. Time to blow it up and start all over! Time to send your best player, Shin-Soo Choo, to Pittsburgh or Los Angeles or maybe even back to South Korea, as long as the return is Major League-ready. Send Justin Masterson — two years and two months away from free agency, mind you — back to Boston. Send Chris Perez to San Francisco and let him complain about their fans. Ship off anything that's not nailed down… and yes I'm looking at you, Jose Lopez.
These were, to put it bluntly, especially schizophrenic circumstances, and perhaps they were unavoidable when you're talking about a mediocre (minus-66 run differential, second-worst ERA in the league) contender ("Verlander Schmerlander").
Rather than sway toward any side of the line, Chris Antonetti stayed Switzerland, content to let 2012 play out as-is.
It was not a surprising stance.
As discussed last week, this club's needs were too many to address at the Deadline (and for this, the front office definitely deserves some blame, as Josh Willingham and/or Yoenis Cespedes would have been excellent and affordable additions last winter), and the trading chips on hand were too scarce. The 2012 Indians simply did not give Antonetti enough reason to pull the trigger on any trade that would have weakened an already frail farm system in exchange for a short-term rental. And that frail farm system (which, mind you, is also the fault of the front office) caught up to the Indians once again, as they don't seem to have the adequate pieces to bring in an impact acquisition under control beyond 2012.
That addresses the "buy" situation, but what about the "sell"?
Well, when Antonetti made the Ubaldo Jimenez trade on July 30, 2011, he embraced a so-called "window of contention" based on the contractual control the Indians held on Jimenez, Choo, Masterson, Perez and Asdrubal Cabrera, each of whom would have been eligible for free agency either after 2013 (Choo, Jimenez, Cabrera*) or 2014 (Masterson, Perez).
*Cabrera, of course, has since been extended through 2014, and the contractual status remains the same for the rest.
Now, it's my opinion that the Indians whiffed on Ubaldo. I don't know how to put it any other way. We have no way of knowing what Drew Pomeranz (especially) and Alex White would have become in Cleveland instead of the pitcher's nightmare that is Colorado, but the Indians at least would have had six years to find out. Instead, they got two years and two months of Jimenez, and the first calendar year has been an unqualified disappointment. Jimenez is 12-14 with a 5.08 ERA and 1.55 WHIP in 32 outings with the Indians. As my friend and colleague Jordan Bastian notes in this piece, Ubaldo currently leads the league in walks and stolen bases allowed and wild pitches thrown. He's a mess.
But if you're Antonetti, in the immediate, you have to make the most of that mess. You have to hope, perhaps against hope, that Jimenez, even if he'll never become the ace-type arm he once was, at least rights himself enough to become a dependable middle-of-the-rotation guy. You have to hope the backward steps taken by Masterson and Carlos Santana this season are not indicative of future results and that the coaching staff you helped put in place is capable of righting them.
That's the immediate, because the Trade Deadline, by nature, doesn't seem to be the best time to make bold decisions about the future of the franchise (the Ubaldo and Cliff Lee deals, neither of which have gone particularly well, best illustrate the basis of that belief).
But the Indians are going to have an awfully interesting offseason ahead, because now that they have a feel for the outside interest levels in the likes of Choo and Masterson and Perez, maybe they'll delve further down those roads.
I've expressed my opinion that the Indians ought to seriously consider parting with Perez for a variety of factors, not the least of which is money. The arbitration costs you'd save by dealing from a position of strength could be applied elsewhere, and Lord knows the Indians have plenty of places to apply them.
This 2012 season ought to serve as a lesson that, no, the almost completely left-handed lineup and the right-handed rotation do not lend themselves to the kind of sustained winning stretches it takes to be a true contender. Both of those issues absolutely need to be addressed, one way or another, if the Indians are going to contend in 2013, and perhaps Travis Hafner and Grady Sizemore coming off the books will help Antonetti do so. You can look at the Indians' lineup, factoring in a healthy Lonnie Chisenhall and matured Jason Kipnis, and see the seeds of a competitive club. But as I wrote earlier, if the Indians do ultimately decide to deal Choo, they'd almost assuredly be taking a big step back with regard to their 2013 outlook, and that's a tough sell to a fractured fan base.
Still, given the way the Jimenez trade has transpired and some notable core elements have disappointed this season, perhaps a step back in 2013 in order to augment the 2014, '15, '16 outlook is the way to proceed. I suppose that all depends on just how aggressive Antonetti plans to be (or, rather, has the budget capability to be) this winter in the construction of the 2013 club.
For now, Antonetti wasn't aggressive at all at the 2012 Trade Deadline. I'm sure he racked up the cell phone minutes, but, ultimately, he did nothing.
And given the schizophrenic nature of a club that is not quite good enough to contend but not quite bad enough to detonate, maybe "nothing" makes sense.
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The depleted farm system leaves only one option; trade the stregths for more depth. If they trade Choo for ML ready talent it's a short term option and little benefit since it also leaves a gap. The short term option leads to a full blown rebuild during the 2014 or '15 season. Putting together a Championship caliber team takes timing on the part of payroll and player readiness. The smaller trades Cleveland made for depth helped more in the long run than the big trades of Sabathia, Lee, and Martinez (see ACab, Perez, and Choo). The big trades have produced little which hurts the long term growth of the club and with the small market blues leads to full rebuild or allow players to walk away and Cleveland suffers from many years of sub .500 baseball until the draft can refill the club (see #1 draft picks history in Cleveland to realize how well that might go).
It's not even that we'll never know how Pomeranz and/or White would do in Cleveland, it's that we don't know what else we might have gotten for them. That's the bigger "what if?" in my mind.
And as sad as it might be, the best arm we have in the wings is actually from the Lee trade — Carlos Carrasco. He was starting to show flashes of front of the rotation stuff before he went out last year, and the last I heard is he's on track to be back in September. If we're looking at pitching in our system for next year, him making a return to form is, sadly, a bright spot.
The Tribe could go out and get a right handed bat at 1B, DH, or LF in the off-season, but they're still going to need pitching.
1) Poor results in the draft
2) Poor return on Sabathia and Lee trades
3) Poor decision to trade for Ubaldo, because you mortgaged your best prospects and also depth (Putnam, McBride). You did all sorts of video work to evaluate him before the trade and the doctors looked him over many times. Great evaluation techniques I must say.
4) Poor strategy of going for it last year and then acting cheap this off-season. No impact minor leaguers except Lindnor, and you don't give Willingham an extra 3rd year at $7-$7.5M? You don't even give Ludwick $2.5 million? Then you try to make up by committing $3M to Kotchman and almost $2M to Damon? You justify Kotchman to the fans for his amazing defense.
5) Antonetti often says he believes in the front office's player evaluation skills. However, time to wake up and realize Canzler, Cunningham, and Lillibridge may have popped up in the fancy software program you use(probably paid lot of money for), but reality proved they are not the answer.
5) Owner Dolan said the team will never be in play for the big time free agents but will spend in the $7M range when the time is right. Well Antonetti's Ubaldo deal "opened the window" and nothing was done. Contracts coming off the books this off-season put the payroll at rock bottom and even with arbitration salaries, the payroll is bare. Do you seriously expect fans to believe anything you say now? How about denying the Forbes report one more time?
6) We could of gotten Yuk from the RedSox, but I'm sure got scared away because of his option next year or the buyout.
7) The Padres traded for Quentin and resigned him and Huston Street. Oakland spent decent money on Cespedes. These teams are supposedly low payroll teams and the Padres were literally broke. We can't even do something like this?
8) If you can't even sign Choo or any players for $7M-$10M range, act aggressive then tease us and make stupid decisions, then what kind of team are we all supporting here?
9) You say yes to Derek Lowe and $5M salary, but tonight may have been his last move. Also, you probably spend a good amount on all these creative promotions to bring fans to the stadium.
10) Accountability needs to be taken by Antonetti and Shapiro. Fans deserve to be angry and the inconsistency with decision making is simply awful.
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Anthony – I've asked the same question on Twitter of Hoynes, Camino, and Bastian but never get any response. WHY do the Indians not want to give Jared Goedert a chance…apparently no matter what? He was on fire back in 2010 as well and we overlooked him then too. We always seem to bring up the wrong people. Why Carrera/Rottino over Fedroff?
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Thanks Rob & Carol
Thanks very good hand on lecture.
Hi, emergency led sign
traces and spaces are standard as you say, there are guidelines for various circuits, and some prototype houses will give guidance or minimum requirements ... later we can talk about good layout, design for manufacturing / design for assembly type issues -- I hope you will touch on that later as well
Good intro, ready to start ...
I think it's wonderful that MIT has Open CourseWare LINK -->> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm and that we have an instructor from MIT here online too ... I loved the work done there by Winston and Horn ...
I thought you might have chosen a circuit to demonstrate PWM or multiplexing LED's to save power ...
Thank you Carol!
Good comparison with other free PCB tools for hobby. I have experience with Expedition PCB and PADS from Mentor Graphics.
Rechargeable LED flashlight
Hello from Oregon
Nothing specific as to what type of project I'm working on
hello all
Picking up day two
Not working on one currently, have worked on a few in the past.
Not currently working on LED project -- that could change.
Is it possible to export part of any CAD software in PCB?
Thanks Carol, very interesting lecture.
I have no current LED project but I am interested in prototyping
When I draw a circuit and translate it to PCB, is it possible to work out things on PCB?
Can I consider DesignSpark PCB as one of CAD packages?
Thank You & Good day, (night) Rod. R.
good day
thank you - good info
Thanks so much for your great presentation today, Carol. I look forward to seeing everyone for the third presentation tomorrow -- Using PCB Layout Software: Custom Component Libraries.
I hope everyone will get a chance to play with DesignSpark. I'll see you tomorrow as we delve into custom components!
Thanks for the answer on CFD. See you tomorrow. Great Class!
Ultiboard is the pcb software, as vlad said. NI is not cheap, $519 for single seat education version.
I've played with Eagle in the past... now thinking about downloading the DesignSpark to play with it...
Just finished the audio... Thank you Carol!
multisim is a simulator but has the option of transferring the entire schematic to ultiboard where the pcb can be designed
good day to all
thank you good info
MultiSim looks like a spice simulator. It's a differentbeast. It's for simulating behavior of the circuit.
thank you carol
Thanks you for attending. Great to see so many people interested.
Great Presentation,
To the question about using CFD to do thermal model. I've done some and have used consultants who specialize in it. Here's my take on the subject. If it's a straight forward application, just measure the temperatures with a thermocouple and extrapolate. If it's complex geometry you might want to model it. But what you get out of it depends on what you put in. You still have to prototype it and get some anchor points and verification for your thermal model. Sometimes the answers are about what you expect. Sometimes experience helps you know what to expect. There are some rules of thumbs for power supplies: efficiency, power/square inch, should guide you on whether and how big a heat sink you need. I believe Ron goes over these in his book Practical Design of Power Supplies.
Now to go and get designspark
Thanks Carol, good presentation
There is a process to import Eagle libraries. Go to designspark.com and search for it.
@Rob & @Carol - Thanks for a great presentation. I am currently looking for a layout program to build PCBS and will try DesignShark.
@vlad - designshark or designspark (covered in this lecture)?
Cmeadows6959 asks:
This looks a lot like MULTISIM. Does it have tests instruments and simulations also???
Thanks Carol and Rob.
Can't speak to how Multisim compares to Designspar. But National Instruments is certainly top notch.
Is Designshark better than national instruments Multisim and ultiboard
@Rob - listening to the recorded lecture now (late for the live one). Would like to thank Carol before she leaves for the day.
Hi Carol, sorry i missed your lecture. I do not have the audio working.
I finished semester one. Do I get some kind of certificate ???
Is Design Spark easy to use to do layout of MCU controllers and other high pin count ICs?
They seem to have the features needed for those applications. I haven't used it for that.
good info
Stagners asks:
Will DesignSpark work with other electronics parts distrubuters such as Mouser?
Today's lesture is now archived and ready for playback.
DesignSpark has an autorouter. Under Tools menu, Autorout Nets.
I don't generally use it for power supplies. EMI considerations for component placement and packing it into a small space are usually my two biggest drivers.
Thank you
I am using national instruments Multisim and ultiboard
do you recommend designshark instead?
Can other (Eagle) libraries be imported?
That's right, it isn't too much work for these boards to just copy the components and rename them to what you can source easily.
oops... missed the live lecture today...
Zwilrich asks:
Does DesignSpark do autorouting?
Drw36 asks:
Looks like you'd make it work just like Carol made it work for Digikey by adding the info when creating your parts. The included libraries appear to be built with RS components. I believe that is a UK distributor. Perhaps Carol can clear this up.
Thanks. Bye.
thanks, Carol
RobPinar asks:
I'm working with Eagle. Do you recomend DesignSpark better than Eagle?
Can you comment on the use of CFD/FE on thermal desing? Many people are using it, but many companies have deep pockets. Is it necessary or even useful?
If you already know how to use Eagle, and are not running into board size restrictions, then it's a fine package.
Garysxt asks:
Carol, do you have suggestions for ensuring the schematic pins match up correctly with the PCB pads? I have seen a lot of boards messed up because things like the transistor pins don't match, especially with SOT and similar packages.
Przemek asks:
Can you comment on other PCB/design packages, say KiCAD?
Don't kave any experience with KICAD.
schematic pins match up correctly with the PCB pads
Great question. That is something we'll cover tomorrow. You basically have to review the components in the component editor.
thanks Carol and Rob. See all tomorrow.
THANKS FOR THE INFO, Carol. See you tomorrow.
Carol will take your questions now.
Good presentation, thank you. Look forward to tomorrow.
Thanks Carol
thank you Carol,
Thanks Carol.
Thanks so much Carol!!
Thanks for another great presentation today, Carol.
Bill21 - a quick google for designspark took me to the website.
Thanks Carol very informative.
@stagners: Looks like you'd make it work just like Carol made it work for Digikey by adding the info when creating your parts. The included libraries appear to be built with RS components. I believe that is a UK distributor. Perhaps Carol can clear this up.
Thkx Carol.
i see it mentioned in foil 3 on Day 1 but no location...just DigiKey?
@stagners - You might have to check on the Mouser, etc website to see if tey have the same part numbers etc.
@Bill21, have a look at the first few pages from yesterday's session notes. it lists 3 software packages.
Bill21 -- yesterday's program is archived. You should be able to play it and look at the PPT slides.
25 thou is typical general purpose trace width.
i missed first 10 mins yesterday due to browser/login issues....when was the free sw discussed? i didn't see this in the Day 1 notes....
I have audio , but not video!!!
@Rob, Yup including 7-segment, Near-IR, high-brites, Nat-Semi ones with regulators built-in.
First circuit on Designspark
hao la... done!
@cmeadows6959, I downloaded and activated DesignSpark yesterday. The latest version, 3 has an interface to common simulators. the website describes it better.
a late hi all,
Have used LEDs as indicators and 7 segment LED for displaying numbers for years. Only done a couple of small projects using constant current drive.
sorry not electrolitic its ceramic
We're now on slide 14.
this is an Electrolitic,
Don't you want to see + & -?
We're now on slide 13.
Designed infrared LED emitter
For our high-intensity UV LEDs I usually use BuckPuck constant current drivers.
Charlieplexing is interesting for driving an array of LEDS.
We're now on slide 12.
@Rob: Never used any LED systems, just discrete LEDs for display
have used and designed LED displays, not for lighting though
We're now on slide 11.
@Rob: not me
Have most of you used LED systems before?
Should say display values in GUI
We're now on slide 10.
I lost you
using chrome. Works fine.
We're now on slide nine.
@asut - For firefox you'll need to downgrade flash to 11.3.300.271 or earlier. Find it here
We're now on slide eight.
I am designing a luminaire for the first time.
We're now on slide six.
Does designspark do 3D components.
For some reason, it's the updated Flash that is having problems with audio. The IT folks are working on it. Using the Chrome browser seems to solve the problem.
Just installed updated flash and restarted firefox still no luck
We're now on slide 5.
That could just be a 150k - since it just sets the bottom range of a trimpot.
Those using the Chrome browser seem to be OK on audio.
This will be available on archive soon after we end this program, shortly after 3:00 pm Eastern.
I have audio problem too.
no sound at all after intro???
Audio problems also
Using Chrome today! I have audio!
Try using the Chrome browser to solve the audio problem.
yes, audio problems. When will this be avaialable in archive?
@Rob, finally downgraded Flash and now Firefox works.
We are working on a project that display message 7 lines and 100 charactars.
Played with it yesterday and gave up at finding a temperature sensor
I am
Anyone having audio problems today?
Only current LED project is a hobby application. Have done commercial LED applications.
Answering the question, i´m not working in an LED project. This lecture will be useful for future projects.
not working on any embedded project, involved in another software project
We're now on slide three.
hello All
No current LED project, just a more general interest in prototyping.
Hi from NJ
Downloaded !
We're now on slide two.
Working on a new lamp design.
Hi All
None for now.
Project: LED illuminator
Temperature sensing
Good afternoon, Carol.
Medical device application
Currently, I'm not working on any projects.
Hello from Albuquerque.
@Kelleyrn, I miss the fall leaves from the est. There's nothing like here in Northern Alberta.
Hello from Milwaukee
Good afternoon Carol, looking forward to todays session.
@kellyern I'll anser your question about CFD for thermal in half an hour when I come back to do the chat.
Led the display begin !
Hello all from the beautiful state of Maryland. Leaves just starting to turn.
hi all
Hi from Michigan
I am pleased to meet all of you from al of north America
Cute LED art! Welcome back, everyone!
GOod Evening everyone!
Hi from Northern Minnesota
hi from Edmonton
Hi From Aurora - North of Toronto!
Greetings from beautiful Portland Oregon
Have we started?
Hi All from Toronto
Hi all
Hello from Wyoming
Hello everyone
Hello All
Hello from Louisiana
for audio test, maybe listen to an archived session. it should be a good test for your system.
Good afternoon folks.
If you have some music !!
Hello from Arizona.
How can we try our audio before the lecture starts?
Hello from Kinda Electronics, Brockville, Ontario, Canada
good afternoon, everyone
hello from Edmonton, AB
Hell from sunny Miami!!!!!
Hello from Silicon Valley, CA. It's 60°F now and will peak to 80°F.
Hello from Ottawa Ontario
9:30 AM Morning from North Pole, Alaska (Fairbanks Area)
I never did get my starbucks coffee from this summers lecture.
Rodney B. Rutherford (Rod. R.)
Ready and Listening
Good morning from Albuquerque!
Good morning from California!
Hello form Tucson
Good Day from Mobile, AL
Howdy folks!! :)
Good morning
Hello to all
If you had audio issues yesterday, we recommend you launch the CEC using the Chrome browser.
Carol, this is slightly off topic, but do you think it necessary to use CFD/FE to perform thermal simulation on LED designs? Thanks.
Thanks, I'll double check before today's show.
If you have trouble hearing the audio, one of our attendees noted that it's not a browser problem, per se, it's an Adobe Flash version problem. -- If you've upgraded to Flash 11.4, you'll have problems. Right click on the Flash player to check its version number. Browsers still using Flash 11.3 are working for this webinar; those at 11.4 are not working.
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horace, You should be able to download now.
The slide deck is not available. Any reason?
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Pati's Mexican Table "Naturally Vegetarian Mexican" Forget soy and tofu; these are authentic Mexican recipes where produce, fruits and vegetables are naturally the stars. Zucchini Soup with Tortilla Crisps; Cactus Paddle Tostadas; Fluffy Plantain and Pecan Bread. D
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Joanne Weir's Cooking Confidence "Food Memories" Joanne remembers her trips to Italy and with her student Di shows us a classic pizza strata and a dessert inspired by limoncello. Recipes: Green Salad with Garlic croutons and Balsamic Red Wine Dressing, Pizza Strata, and Lemon Sorbet and Vanilla Ice Cream with Limoncello. Student: Di Harris, Retired Nanny. D
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Deceased Online have completed (almost) the release of 800,000 records from the UK largest cemetery (in terms of the number of burials).
With the exception of approximately 20,000 remaining entries (which are still being added) the records for St Pancras and Islington Cemetery in north London have been made available on the website. Searching the website is free and the amount you pay to view the results depends on just what is found. This should include a scan of the burial register, but might also include photographs of the headstone and/or a map of the exact location of the grave.
St Pancras and Islington Cemetery was the first publicly owned cemetery to be opened in London and was officially opened in July 1854. It seems to have developed in a very piecemeal fashion, involving various parishes and boroughs over the decades, all helping to create a very interesting but complicated history.
The cemetery is now jointly run by the London Boroughs of Camden and Islington, and more details can be found on their websites, including details of the bus service that operates across the 190 acre site. I must put it on my list of places to explores because it sounds like there are some wonderful memorials there.
This addition to Deceased Online, strengthens the position of the site as the place to go online to find UK burial and cremation records, by my calculations this takes the total records on the website to over 1.75 million names from across the UK, but it doesn't stop there.
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Is it true that an Orange County politician by the name of Karina Onofre is trying to mover the LA Clippers south and make them an Orange County team?
That will NEVER happen.
The Clippers have a contract with staples center until the 2022-2023 season or something. That would be very hard to get out of and leaving the second largest market in the US would be the worst decision. Our team value would decrease as soon as it moves and whoever buys the team would not want their billion dollar investment to move to the OC
Is it true? Yes.
Does she have a billion dollars? No.
Is she merely a candidate for state assembly touting populist ideas to win votes in her district? Yes.
Will this ever happen? No.
I read on her Facebook page that she was getting support from a Newport Beach politician. Anything Newport Beach means bottomless pockets. I hope your second thought is right because she seemed to come up with this right after the Sterling story came out.
All the people that wants to buy the clips like Magic, Oprah & etc gave no desire to move LAC anywhere. LA for life!!!
also Silver placed a clause in the sale:the new owner has to keep the Clippers in L.A.
Well, she's telling her local newspaper something different...
http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-m ... 8984.story
First, the new Clippers owner would have to WANT to leave L.A. which is a stupid move because the city's name is among those most globally recognized in an era of global expansion for the NBA. Next, he or she would have to pony up a billion dollars for the franchise, then probably another couple of hundred million towards the cost of the new arena. Then he would have to settle a lawsuit for millions more with the owners of Staples for breaking the Clippers' lease.
This woman is a nobody. She doesn't even hold public office... she is a CANDIDATE. She is making promises to voters that she will never be able to keep, like lowering taxes while increasing spending on their pet causes.
You pushing this story so hard never having posted anything before today makes me think you have an agenda of your own.
Until you come back with something more concrete than what some chick said, you're on troll watch.
If I post on FB that I am a billionaire,will I be one too?
I'm so sorry. I have no agenda other than I was told things and thought the best way to get to the bottom of it was to join a forum where members would most likely know something about it. Thanks for your help.
You're right,kinda harsh, you were just putting forth what you thought we would want to hear.
She wants to take our team and give it to the on percenters in the OC...
from her page today:
State Assembly Candidate will be at Clippers Playoff game
74th State Assembly candidate Karina Onofre plans to attend Clippers vs. Oklahoma City NBA Playoff game Friday May 9th
Irvine, California Wednesday May 7, 2014 California State Assembly candidate Karina Onofre announced she will attend upcoming Second-Round NBA Western Conference Playoff game between the Clippers and Oklahoma City Thunder, Friday May 9 at Staples Center, 7:30PM.
Earlier this week Karina Onofre called for formation of a blue-ribbon committee to lure NBA Clippers basketball franchise from Los Angeles to Orange County. Said Onofre, an Orange County native, business owner and Democratic candidate, "Response to the Clippers in Orange County has been incredible. I'm building the best Task Force, so LA's problems can become Orange County's greatness!"
Said Onofre, "I've confirmed the genuine interest of many people in Orange County to this idea, and will have a great team up-and-running ASAP. Prominent corporate leaders, small business owners like myself, community leaders, public officials all owe it to their community, to step-up and work together, to make this a reality."
Continued Onofre, "Based on positive feedback how to present the best possible proposal to the Clippers, I realize I may have misspoken when I talked about the cities I hope to represent in Sacramento: Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, Irvine, Laguna Beach, Laguna Woods and Newport Beach. As my esteemed colleague and Republican opponent in the 74th Assembly race has said, it is up to the residents and their local elected officials to make decisions about their communities. That's what this committee is all about. I hope Newport Beach Councilman Keith Curry will join me on this all-important Task Force, to bring the Clippers to Orange County."
"I passionately believe our community can be the right new home for the Clippers. We have so much to offer them, and they can become a great business resource for Orange County."
"Friday night I'll be at Staples Center, to cheer-on the Clippers in their quest to reach the NBA Playoffs finals. I hope to meet fans, players and key members of their organization to discuss this idea, to bring the Clippers to a brand new home in Orange County."
"I again ask your help, to bring together Orange County's very best, to form a proposal to invite the Clippers to join our Orange County family. Contact me at firstname.lastname@example.com or (714) 360-2011."
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Did you catch the most important part,she will be at the game. A legend in her own mind.
This team is so important to all of us - seeing people using it to advance their own agendas is making me really sad
Many of us are not even allowed in the cities she represents,wrong area code or however you want to look at it,talk about jumping from the frying pan (DTS) to the fire (this lady)
In a related announcement, I will be watching the game from my living room where I am forming a blue-ribbon committee of myself, my wife and the cat to further explore options of bringing the Clippers to Brentwood.
I too hold no public office, but I'm pretty sure my neighbors and local small businesses would be stoked about all the hypothetical money it would bring to our community.
Now I just have to convince Adam Silver plus Magic, Oprah, Ellison, Floyd "money" Mayweather, Malcolm-in-the-middle or whoever else may buy the team that it's a good idea.
I'm sure they won't laugh in my face at all.
How come no one ever brings up Billy Crystal as a suitor, ,or CLipper Daryl, or Dj Dense
wow Did anyone else Laugh at this?
This is why politicians are held in such low esteem. They are kinda like Kim Kardashian -- anything to get noticed.
you are making a mockery of this sir! how dare you! you're like the critics who ridiculed California for having a gubernatorial election featuring a porn star and austrian actor!lol
I would love for the clippers to move since I am in OC and could get season tickets again!
Just ran across this, don't know with the eventual new ownership if this would ever happen but..........
First the Angels. Then the Clippers. Is the Great Park the great destination for rumored professional sports moves? Karina Onofre, a candidate for the 74th Assembly district, wants to bring those "beleaguered Clippers" that she thinks are an "up-and-coming franchise and have the potential to advance far in the NBA playoffs" to Orange County. Orange County Register - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/los_angeles_clippers#sthash.gw3tF0vI.d puf
i think someone already posted this a while back, and this would be a dumb move. no need for a move to Anaheim.
My bad, didn't realize someone had posted it already.
I agree dumb move, just with all the stank DTS has put on the team, the league, etc.......it certainly wouldn't shock me a new owner would want his own arena.
Supposedly I heard its in the clause that Silver is making it so that the Clippers remain in Los Angeles. So hopefully nothing to worry about
Any new owners have no desire to move the LAC. a 0% chance.
YUP this is a pipe dream for OC residents.
We already have the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim,we don't need the Los Angeles Clippers of Orange County.
As a Ducks fan, I wish the Clippers would move to the Honda Center and establish their own history over there (Banners, retired jerseys, etc..). I mean, they did sell out every game when they used to play there in the 90's.
No one is moving from downtown to anaheim. It's just not the same. It doesn't matter that we share an arena it makes our rivalry with
Them unique.
Come on guys, if Ballmer does not want to move Clippers to Seattle, why should he be interested in Anaheim? I would love for Clips to be the Anaheim Clippers ( the OC team), but he would be pay the team 3x more to be a small market team. No thanks.
jesus... who brought this garbage thread back to life??? No one else post in this please. Its a dead topic


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A second half adjustment found Crestview hitting the ball more, and that proved to be the difference.
Crestview continued their winning ways with a a 10-9 victory over Barrington Saturday afternoon in the New Bridge USPA Tommy Hitchcock Jr. Memorial 12-goal at Crestview.
It was the first game of the tournament for both teams. and Barrington wanted to get off to a sharper start, already being up by two goals as a result of the handicap differential. Barrington was also faced with the challenge of playing with different personnel, Cissie Snow for Barb Uskup and Jake Stimmel for Justin Pimsner.
Barrington, won the opening bowl-in, and started the scoring as Owen Rinehart successfully converted a penalty shot, lofting a 60-yarder with great precision through the uprights. Both teams had additional opportunties early in the period, but their sequences would come up short for a variety of reasons. Crestview's Pelon Escapite would engineer a play from the knock-in, and Pedro Manion would showcase his offensive ability, taking control of the ball and dictating the play, evenutally finishing it, to reduce the Barrington advantage to two goals. Crestview would lose the ensuing bowl-in, but their patient approach allowed them to gain possession, and this time, it was Manion threading a pass to Escapite, who would finish the play. Crestview continued their relentless pursuit of the ball, and Escapite. despite being closely marked, was able to tie the game on a backshot.
However, the game was complete with momentum swings and surges, and Barrington's Owen Rinehart and Antonio Galvan's open running style of play was an effective resource. Rinehart would score from the field, and then add another goal on a 60-yard penalty shot to provide Barrington with some momentary breathing room. Barrington's tenacious teamwork found Galvan and Rinehart engineering another sequence of plays, but it was Stimmel finishing the play, in a chukker where Crestview was held scoreless.
However, Crestview demonstrated an intangible throughout the USPA Pete Bostwick Memorial, mental toughness, and they were able to withstand the fierce early pressure from Barrington. Crestview would cut the deficit to two goals on a successful penalty no. 2 by Pelon Escapite. But, the final goal of the first half was scored by Antonio Galvan, on a breakaway, providing Barrington with a 7-4 advantage after three chukkers.
Barrington won the opening bowl-in of the second half, but their sequence of plays had an unsuccessful finish. Barrington would have another scoring opportunity, and it appeared that a Jake Stimmel backshot was going to go through the goal posts, but a quick thinking Pelon Escapite's presence of mind, precluded what looked like it would be a sure goal, with an outstanding defensive play in front of the uprights. And, it would be Escapite scoring on a penalty no. 4 from 60 yards out, that would reduce the deficit to two goals. Crestview directed their energies to playing in the moment, and didn't think about the numbers on the scoreboard, or the insurmountable odds one faces when being down by a number of goals. However, it wasn't a question as to whether or not Barrington was fresh and ready as Antonio Galvan's confident play, enabled him to score while being marked by several players, on a play started during the ensuing bowl in, one that was in response to Escapite's goal.
Crestview's emphasis on ball control was in sharp contrast to Barrington's wide open style, and Manion's and Meeker's ability to open the field, provided Escapite and Torres with more time to dictate the pace of the play. A breakaway by Torres was thwarted as Rinehart backed the ball away. However, it was a foul in front of a congested goal mouth, one that resulted in a successful penalty shot by Meeker, that would bring Crestview to within a goal.
"We started hitting the ball a little bit more," said Escapite. "We tried to have Alan and Pedro open the field a little more because in the first half, we had been maintaining possession of the ball too much, and that strategy wasn't working. We opened the game, and it worked."
A meaningful goal, one by Crestview, the one that would tie the game, saw Escapite move the ball more than 100 yards into the opposition's territory, eventually finishing the play. And it was teamowrk that gave Crestview their first lead of the game, with Escapite assisting on Santi Torres' goal with 37 seconds remaining in the chukker.
Pelon Escapite's backshot in the final chukker, would end up being the game winner, as Barrington's Galvan finished the game's scoring on a successful penalty no. 2.