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Aiken Women in Black will hold a Vigil for Peace from 4:30 to 6 p.m. on the first and third Monday of each month. Everyone is invited to join in on Whiskey Road at Hitchcock Drive, in front of Bethlehem Lutheran Church across from Moe's Restaurant and the new Fresh Market. For more information, call Brenda at 648-6020 or David at 215-3263.
Sid Mullis reveals secrets to a great lawn at the Aiken Master Gardener Association's Lunch Box Series on today at Trinity United Methodist Church, 2724 Whiskey Road, starting at 12:30 p.m. Learn the steps needed to make your lawn the envy of the neighborhood. Topics that will be covered include proper mowing, irrigation, fertilization, thatch management, core aeration and topdressing. This free lecture is open to the public, and no reservation is required. For more information, visit www.aikenmastergardener.org or call (803) 649-6297, ext. 122, weekday mornings.
The Symphony Orchestra Augusta will host the Composer Festival of Ludwing Van Beethoven from Feb. 18 to 23, starting at 7 p.m. on Feb 18. For more information, call (706) 826-4705.
Audition dates for Aiken Community Playhouse's "The Nerd" are Monday at 7 p.m. The cast calls for five adult males around their late 20s to 50s, and two females around their mid 20s to 40s, though ages are just guidelines and not requirements. The director asks those interested to be familiar with pages 16 to 20 and 26 to 29 of the Dramatists Play Service published script. Show dates are late April and early May. For more information, visit www.aikencommunityplayhouse.info.
Line Dance Class will be held Mondays at 6 p.m. at the Palmetto Ballroom. The cost is $5. Call 641-4800 for more information.
The Aiken Stitchin' Belles Chapter of the Embroiders Guild of America will hold a monthly meeting at the Aiken County Public Library on Monday at 10:15 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. Those attending will create a sampler using selected basic stitches. Visitors are welcome. The Twilight Belles will meet that evening from 7 to 9 p.m. Call 644-7732 for information.
The Beech Island Historical Society will meet Tuesday at 7:30 p.m. at the society's History and Visitors Center, 144 Old Jackson Highway, Beech Island. Featured speaker will be Filmmaker Christi Koelker, who will talk about her upcoming movie, "The Wanderers in Beech Island." She and her partners in Bellawood Productions are planning to produce the film based on her research on where the steamboat Augusta brought 170 slaves from the Wanderer slave ship to Thomas G. Lamar's plantation on Horse Creek. The public is invited to attend. For more information, call Jackie Bartley at 827-0184.
Nar-Anon meets every Tuesday at 6:30 p.m. at St. John's United Methodist Church, 104 Newberry St., in room 119. For more information, call (800) 477-6291.
The Talatha Rural Community Water District Board of Commissioner's monthly meeting will be held Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. at the district office, 4 Aspen Court. The meeting is open to the public and water district members are encouraged to attend.
Aiken Technical College will host a Nuclear Energy Technology Night Tuesday from 5:30 to 6:30 p.m. to educate prospective students on the opportunities available in the nuclear field. Attendees are asked to RSVP for the information session by calling 593-9954 ext. 1912.
Aiken Technical College will host a free, public showing of Arcos Films' award-winning energy documentary, "Switch," Wednesday. "Switch", produced as part of the GSA Switch Energy Project, a multi-pronged effort to build a global understanding of energy, aims to deliver straight answers on controversial energy questions. The documentary will be shown at 12 p.m. in ATC's auditorium. For more information about the documentary, visit switchenergyproject.com. Aiken Technical College's auditorium is located in the Ashley J. Little Administration building (100/200 building).
BNI "Means Business" meets every Wednesday from 11:30 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Cumberland Village in the downstairs conference room. BNI is a group of local business professionals who meet weekly to grow their businesses through networking, building relationships with other professionals, and exchanging business referrals. There is no charge for visitors, and lunch is included. For more information, contact Laura Gibbons at 803-270-3762 or firstname.lastname@example.com
The Lower Savannah Workforce Development Board's (LSWDB) Youth Council will meet Wednesday at URS Corp., 106 Newberry St. S.W., starting at 10 a.m. The council will discuss and finalize plans for the Youth Forum, March 15-16. The meeting is open to the public. For more information, contact Benella Floyd, assistant WD administrator, at 649-7981 or email firstname.lastname@example.com.


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STEVE LEWIS/Durango Herald
STEVE LEWIS/Durango Herald
Mae Forleo, 98, goes to the Durango/La Plata Senior Center for lunch about every day except Wednesdays.
�I got to stay home once in a while,� she said jokingly.
Seriously, Forleo said, �I don�t know what I would do if I didn�t come here.�
Forleo, along with her lunch buddies, praised the center�s balanced meals, opportunities to make new friends, and its many activities and exercise classes, such as cribbage, bridge and tai chi.
Mary Rottman called the center �a lifesaver.�
Seniors �need a place,� said Irene Nix.
Because of a growing senior population, known as the �silver tsunami,� and dwindling sales-tax receipts, providing for the senior center has been a cause of worry for city of Durango and La Plata County officials.
An improving economy, however, is providing a glimmer of hope that the City Council and the county commissioners won�t be forced into hard budget decisions for both the senior center and the Durango Public Library next year.
County sales-tax receipts are up 11.5 percent for the first two months of the year, a big jump over 2 percent growth projections for 2013.
Revenue from a joint sales tax provides $342,710, or about half the senior center�s budget, and $1.8 million, almost the total budget, for the library. The joint tax is comprised of 11 percent of the money generated by the county�s 2-percent sales tax.
Andy White, director of library services, is keeping his fingers crossed.
�Hopefully it keeps trending that way and we can have a comfortable reserve,� White said.
Over the last three years, reserves in the joint-sales fund have made up for deficits between operating costs for the senior center and library and revenue from the sales taxes.
In planning for 2013, county finance officials projected the fund balance to dwindle to $30,422 by end of the year, down from $383,530 in 2011.
Without enough reserves to make up deficits, county commissioners and city councilors could be forced into making cuts in services or diverting funds from elsewhere.
The demand for library and senior services has only been increasing.
The senior center must accommodate the rising wave of baby boomer retirements, which is not expected to crest until 2020.
Lezlie Mayer, director of human services for La Plata County, said senior services has so far managed cuts to its operating budget without sacrificing its level of service.
In the last year, the senior center served 40,000 meals at the center and through Meals on Wheels, made 1,000 hours of home visits, provided 6,157 rides and had 29,546 participants in its activities, such as bridge or exercise classes.
The library also gets heavy use.
In 2012, its circulation numbers increased by 5 percent to 445,373 checked-out items. Its number of computer sessions (15, 30 and 60 minutes) increased by 20 percent to 133,738. Its number of card holders also increased 8 percent to 31,651.
Increased library use is often an economic indicator, White said.
�When the economy gets bad, use of the public library increases,� White said. �People can�t afford to pay for Internet at home.�
The library has seen hard times of its own, opening on Dec. 1, 2008.
�I think the economy collapsed the next day,� White said.
So the library has had to close on Sundays, eliminate two full-time positions and reduce hours of part-time staff members.
As funding improves, White said he would gradually restore services.
�Hopefully we have seen the worst in the economy,� he said.
If anyone wants to help the library or the senior center, White suggested they �buy local.�
SHAUN STANLEY/Durango Herald

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New information released shows that changes have been made to the police report in the George Zimmerman case.
Court documents show five drafts were made by the lead investigator.
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The first recommended Zimmerman be charged with second-degree murder, but that then changed to manslaughter.
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, was later charged with second-degree murder in last year's shooting of teen Trayvon Martin in Sanford.
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I have a bone to pick with Cookie Monster.
My daughter, a giant Cookie Monster fan, received the Count 'N Crunch Cookie Monster for Christmas. I was very excited to see this gift, as it will be fun for her to play with, as well as educational.
For those of you who aren't familiar with this particular version of Cookie Monster, I'll explain. It's a basic plush Cookie Monster -- not too big, which is nice. He's in a sitting position and wearing a plastic backpack. His mouth hinges open and he talks when you press his foot.
The idea is that he asks you to feed him cookies, and he counts them as you do. As you insert them into his mouth, they trigger a small plastic switch before falling into the backpack. This is great, but he ONLY counts to three. Three! Seems to me an educational toy -- made by Hasbro and branded as Sesame Street -- should at least count to 10. I'd even be happy if he counted to five.
One thing I did notice, however, is that Cookie Monster is polite. At one point, he burped and then said "excuse me." At least he is teaching my daughter manners -- he's got that going for him.
While it's a cute idea, I don't think it was executed very well. And, I'm sad to say, I think grandma wasted about $30.
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Former Aiken Public Safety Chief Pete Frommer was honored for his more than 40 years of service to Aiken County by the Aiken County Legislative Delegation.
Frommer received a resolution at the delegation's regular meeting on Aug. 12.
The resolution was approved in 2012 by the S.C. House of Representatives, said S.C. Sen. Tom Young, R-Aiken.
"We couldn't give it to him because of scheduling conflicts until recently," Young said.
Frommer served the Aiken Department of Public Safety for more than 40 years, including serving as chief from 1999 to 2012.
"To congratulate Peter N. Frommer, director of the Department of Public Safety for the City of Aiken, on the occasion of his retirement, to thank him for his more than 40 years of dedicated service to the City of Aiken, and to wish him much success and happiness in all his future endeavors," the resolution reads.
Frommer has been a resident of Aiken since he was 6 months old, according to the resolution. He graduated from USC Aiken and the FBI National Academy.
" ... In 1961, when Pete was just 8 years old, a few Aiken firefighters spent an afternoon at his elementary school and ignited his imagination and a desire within him that would one day take him from (an) 8-year-old volunteer to the director's position many years later at the Department of Public Safety," the resolution reads.
Frommer was hired as a firefighter for the City of Aiken in 1972 and promoted to Public Safety officer in 1975. He was later named a shift sergeant in 1979, an inspector in 1972, division captain in 1994 and director of Public Safety in 1999.
Frommer implemented a variety of programs and projects at Aiken Public Safety, including take-home patrol cars, 12-hour shifts, a special-services unit for execution of high-risk warrants and extradition of prisoners, mounted patrol officers and the organization of the Police Athletic League, according to the resolution.
Frommer could not be reached for comment for this story.
Teddy Kulmala covers the crime and courts beat for the Aiken Standard and has been with the newspaper since August 2012. He is a native of Williston and majored in communication studies at Clemson University.


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Thanks Randy
Thank you Randy!
once again, great job sir randy. much appreciated for the lesson you have shared on that day 2 class lesson...thanks once again for giving another kind of lesson comprehensive...
thanks to digikey and design news for another continuing education...thanks to all...
i am now in slide 18 of the day 2 class...great...
i am now on slide 12...
i am now in slide 2 of this lesson...
i am now downloading the presentation slides for this lesson and i am now about to begin with sir randy for his lecture today's day 2 class...
good evening sir randy, i am back for this class session for day 2 lesson...
Very informative lecture (regardless of audio interruptions)
Very bad audio quality...
Great to have access to the recorded sessions!
Missed the live lecture
Taking the class offline
Randy - thanks I look forward to the next session
catching up
Glad to have the archives here. Too bad about the audio, but these slides are fairly self explanatory with good reference information and links. Some good posts in the blog area too.
Thanks Randy too bad about the audio but
hopefully tommarow will go off without a hitch
yes reduced noise is an issue in my application
audio very choppy
audio cut out?
Picking up day two
Sorry, I meant 'capacitive sensing'. Thanks for the lecture Randy.
The only touch sensing I generally do is touch.
thank you Randy,
That is going to do it for today. Until tomorrrow...
Thank you Randy and Charles
OK, thx.
Another FYI
Here is direct link to touch sensing products and suppliers for E-field, touch sensors:
yipes, a lot of options on that digikey link
Thanks -- now I have no excuse -- the cap sensors come out of the box.
Just my grandaughters paly toys... XBox etc. ;-)
FYI - here is direct link to Digi-ey's proximity info:
tradeoffs in range, power consumption, temp, linearity, etc?
@DaveWR yea that's it, thanks for the links. anybody played with it?
A google search on Efield or E-Field turns up a lot of material.
And an article here:
does "inductive" sensing mean the same thing as "e-field" sensing? can you comment on the pros/cons of e-field sensing?
The e is for electric field. Inductive sensing uses a magnetic field. As the one slide noted, the inductive sensor needs a metallic target, the capacitive or efield sensor does not require a metallic or magnetic target
E-Field - like the microchip stuff???
Interesting PDF
@JSP thanks, any white papers that you're aware of?
Thanks. Audio cut out a lot, but I'll listen to the archive.
Just remebered where to find this...
Very useful as Randy says...
Probably a bad cable on your mike
@apdobaj - I think "e-field" is more about RF/electrostatic sensing rather than inductive/electromagnetic. More like RF absorbative/de-tuning.
I will have to try later when its arcived.
We've got Randy! Everything's comin' up Millhouse.
@DaveWR Thank you. :)
Sorry for the technical difficulties.
Don't go away folks.
@Joe: No just the finger touch stuff.
Thank you Chuck and Randy.
Randy and Chuck, Thank you for the session.
Thanks Charles.
Randy's coming back.
I'm having trouble listening to the audio; keeps stopping.
Thanks Randy.
Thanks to everyone for sticking with us.
Chuck somebody asked yesterday about downloading audio. Is this possible?
thank you Chuck
Thank you today's lecture. Sorry that we have audio problems, the slides provide good information. Again thank you for today's lecture Randy
thank you, nice apointment on Microchip kit, will try it
Thank you.
@DaveWR, do any of your sensors measure 360 degree rotation?
Thank you Chuck & Randy
Thanks Randy very informative.
Thanks again! Very helpful.
Thank you Randy
Be here tommorrow
Thanks for hanging with us Chuck
thanks both
A bunch of Capacitance style sensors on my desk -- will soon see how they work. :-)
Thanks Randy & Chuck (for filling in especially).
sorry fpr the technical difficulties
I hope it's good archival. Later
Randy fell in the bit bucket, help him out.
I would look at available packages first but can do if needed but if cost, availability is good, whay reinvent the wheel. Also helps speed time to market.
Considering signal conditioning inside sensor
Would prefer conditioning included if it is reliable enough.
depends on the conditions - application/cost/complexity
photoelectric do not dust and smoke imune, can be easily overloaded by flashing light, so have to check environment of implementation when choose kind of sensor
w/o signal conditioning is just fine
Depends on the project and client budget.
Signal conditioning included
I would rather add conditioning
Nice to have signal conditioning built in, but it would depend on our application.
Conditioning built in... the more work done for me the better -- most iof the time.
I would consider a sensor without signal conditioning if I can easily add conditioning myself in software (or hardware)
signal conditioning included is a definite plus
Depends on the cost factor for the final target product.
I would like the option
hall effecr, strain, inductance core sensor, optical.
Resistive, proximity, magnetic
RF absorption.
I've uses - Prox, inductive and magnetic (Hall Sensors).
Currently using resistive touch.
mechanical switch
optical sensing, for object detection in close proximity
mechanical (physical switch) is another alternative
for touch sensors we've considered resistive touch
Even a lowly limit switch can do... mag sensors etc.
Hall effect
5-wire resistive
Cypress PSoC
No plans for cap snesing now looking for info have used for sound detection and proximity.
noise and timing: depends on application noise can usually be cleaned up with processing to acceptable levels.
noise is the main issue with capacitive sensors
Noise is an issue
Nose and temperature
noise is a problem
Noise has typically been more an issue than latency for me.
Some noise filtering techniques can be fast enough.
reduced measurement time is all ways needed for me
noise is always a problem for every application
Noticable latency (probably over 100ms or so) would not be very acceptable
Noise and environmental conditions (temperature) primary concerns.
measurement time can be critical
noise would be bad
Randy's audio is good now.
try hitting F5 reload page
audio recovered
now is oky.
audio is good for randy now
sound good!
audio is now perfect again
audio seems better now
Audio is goog now
Randy now good audio.
THe audio is not so clearly for me.
The audio of Randy is not good.
audio is bad
it is impossible to follow audio...
Non-contact measurement through a dielectric - liquid level sensing etc.
Touch sensors
touch and liquid level sensing through a tank
audio is only bad for Randy, alot of bits are dropping.
Moderator is okay.
Looking at capacitive sensing of touch, used it for pressure in the past.
Q = charge (actually)
No current plans to use. Just learning more about them.
Chuck your audio is good
touch sensors, detection of object presense
using capacitive sensing for user input.
touch sensing, pressure
Chuck audio perfect.
Folks, hang in, hoping audio will come back in
your voice is losing capacity :))
Audio is bad
Bad audio.
Bad audio, choppy
Audio is intermittent
Audio quality is bad.
Good morning from CA
Here we go, audio is up!
Hello, from the fridgid north east in upstate new york. Where's the global warming?
Greetings from Toronto.
Hi All
good afternoon, all
Greetings from Portland, OR
Hi All!
Hi from Thornhill
Hello again from Cedar Park, TX
Buenos días
Hello from Wichita, KS
brrrr from Newmarket , Ontario
Guten Tag from Austin, TX
Good evening!
Freezing in Chicago
Good Morning from SLC. It is only a chilly 12F, some weather man claims it will hit 34F today. I have my doubts. It has only been above Freezing for 4 days since Christmas. The normal avg hi is 37F.
Hello from OR
howdy from Philly!
Howdy folks! :)
Good morning.
Greetings from chilly Chicago!
Hello from sunny cold and miserable SE Lake Simcoe Ontario Canada -- 12C degrees -- at least it warmed up. Brrrhhhh!
About those jobs in Arizona...
And if I was in the USA maybe I could get a T-Shirt too!
Good lectureS!
Hello, from Wheaton IL
COLD in Minneapolis today! (-7 degF)
Good morning everyone.
Good morning everyone. I am in Vancouver Canada. It kept the heavy foggy day already 5 days!
Good Morning everyone
Good morning from Scottsdale,AZ
Good morning all.
I really love the Design News T-shirt! And it's T-shirt weather here in CA. 82 degrees expected today.
Good Morning it's -17°C near Detroit
Good morning from Buenos Aires, today we´ll have more than 30 degrees C
Good morning from Chicago, where it's -1F degrees.
Hello to all
good morning
Good morning everyone
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very nice explainations
Really great presentation, thanks Mike. Wish I had had this presentation when I was starting debugging embedded linux on ARM.
I have worked fairly extensively with Linux and have dabbled in Android.
Thank you Mike!
One embedded design
No Linux or Android debug
Hi from OR.
Have not worked with Linux or Android though there has been a lot of discussion about it. I also agree there should of been a lower level preceeding seminar in Linux. Did pick up a couple of tidbits though.
thank you mike
Are there archived copies of this class and the other four classes in this series that I could get a copy of? I was not able to hear any sound because our IT department blocks all streaming audio and video. I could not get our IT department to unblock it in time. email@example.com.
That's why I use Gentoo
Thanks nice lecture but it might have been nice to see a sample of a simple embedded system using Linix that could demonstrate the functionality discussed
Yes Im currently working on an embedded design but its not using android yet
Im interested in android alot
I worked with linux a bit in the past but still work on windows and with windows hardware on a daily basis
Picking up a lecture a few days late
Thanks Mike. I've never used Linux but I plan to work with it in the future
I hope that all this session will be extremely helpful to my online training on Embedded Systems Design
The slide deck link is still pointing to yesterday's slides
thank you Michael,
Thanks danlafleur for your help. my company block internet radio so i was not even seeing the red box. I am working from a computer that is not a company machine now so I am able to view/listen to it now.
hi all,
How do I get access to the recorded sessions since I cannot get any audio during the live sessions?
Hi Mike, Is it possible that I have some video version since I am severely hard-of-hearing (almost deaf).
The audio won't help me. :)
mainly linux
@Chuck - linux on x86, android on ARM
@Chuck - recently worked in Linux... just playing with Android
Great to be able to access the recorded sessions
Late for the live session today...
time to go, bye for now.
@azeem, do you see the red bordered box, above the photo of Michael Anderson? It is named "Design News Radio"
Thanks Mike and Chuck. See all tomorrow. This was a great intro.
@azeem, try browser refresh. sometimes the audio stops or loops with the intoduction.
I like the idea of linux and android being related. That should provide a lot of reference material for learning.
I am not getting sound for some reason. It should start automatically, Correct?
@azeem, login then, go through the list of past sessions. selecting one launches the archived audio, chat history and the ppt link.
worked in the past but now right at this moment.
How do I access the archived material?
about 3/4 of the way through the archived audio. great introduction to linux debug. seems to be similar to past experience with system outputs.
Thanks to all who participated today.
@AlanJayWeiner - I spent my earlier career working on HP-UX so the learning curve may not be quite as high but it ahs been a while. :)
x86, Linux
How do we chat , because the continuing education link is not working.
I have worked on Fedora and also on android application development.
Thanks Michael it was a good start
See you all tomorrow.
Excellent presentation!
Linux, Yes
Thanks Michael, it was a good start
is it possible to download the audio file?
Mike - thanks! see you tomorrow.
@LevitonDave - Ubuntu etc will give you a leg up - especially with 'Linux mindset' and the tools. I was messing around with building the Android kernel last fall; broke my brain with all the new things to learn.
Michael - thatns and see you tomorrow.
Good day everyone! I hope to have you join again for the sessions during the rest of the week. We'll start digging into much lower levels... Bye for now.
bye for now
Good afternoon all from Northern Alberta. Better late than never.
Thanks Michael - I'm trying to do the prelimnary work at home for educational reasons and will translate it to work devices where we have access to JTAG debugging and custom hardware.
Education is intended to be expanding RTOS knowledge to Linux.
Ultimately you are always going to run on real hardware. The simulator is just a way to get started as well as a nice contained enviroment for general understanding of the linux core. Having simulators that match your HW platform is the absolute best possible place you can be. Hats off to the folks who have made that possible with ports of the beagle, gumstix and many others to QEMU.
good day to all
@CHUCK: Thank you. I will send a note so you have my e-mail as well to keep me in the loop. I am not quitting, but I feel I won't benefit too much with this material in the current semester. This is at the "masters" level. :o)
@Michael Anderson, Yes I agree the code always works better when developed on the real thing...
good info thank you
@GBr Yes, the Linksys WRT54GL is a classic, cheap embedded target with many greate communities supporting it. OpenWRT is one such example. Greg Petersen and the guys at OpenWRT have done a great jopb at pulling together the toolchains and file systems to make it relatively painless to get started.
The use of QEMU as a playground is also a good starting point. You can do a lot of debugging in that context with risking a physical hardware crash. But, embedded Linux-capable hardware is cheap and available from (plug) Digikey ;-) . I use both beagleboards and beaglebones for development. Gumstix , APC and many many others are also available. I find that it's often easier to just use and real piece of hardware than get my desktop playing nicely with QEMU (better performance with the real hardware).
And interesting tidbit is that these days 90% development of the kernel debug core (which KDB / KGDB use as their back end) is done with Simulators where it is much easier to disect what went wrong. Of course debugging the debugger is a topic in and of itself which most folks are probably not too interested in. :-)
Good presentation Mike
low cost way to start play with embedded systens is buying an old WLAN-router that work with the OpenWRT Linux distro.Plenty of info in openWRT wiki
@luizcosta: Thanks. Good suggestion. We'll discuss it. My e-mail is firstname.lastname@example.com if you want to stay in touch on this.
Most of the topics that we'll discuss this week apply to all CPU architecures. The JTAG is a bit tricky on the x86 because they tend to cost $10K+. But ARM JTAGS are cheap (<$100) for getting started.
Thank you LevitonDave.
Sensless violence is always a tragedy...
@AlanJayWeiner - Expect to have to do both - we do embedded stand alone devices which may have to support loading cusom apps.
@LevitonDave - Android apps, or Android kernel? (e.g. bringing Android up on a new device). Apps are mostly done in Java. (there is a native dev kit also)
@pshackett - My condolences on the weekend (from an old Waukesha native)
There is also a more simple way to learn about source debugging and debugging through interrupt contexts etc... If you use a simulator such as QEMU you can debug all the way from the power on through the kernel hand off to user space, assuming you have a bit of documentation about where to load symbols into the debugger. It is no different with JTAG + real hardware, but the JTAG can be very cumbersome compared to the simplicity of a Simulator.
@CHUCK: @luizcosta: You raise a good point. It's a jump. Would you be more comfortable with a basic debugging class? Or perhaps a basic Linux programming class?
Either would be more at the level of all the courses of the ongoing curriculum. I asked Rich last two weeks ago, and I don't think I ever got any reply on the chat or e-mail.
Android features are now included in the latest Linux mainline kernel (3.x). So, if you're using a latest Linux distro like Ubuntu 12.04, you'll be able to use it as a springboard to learning out to create Android drivers.
Good morning from Oak Creek, WI
I have an old Pentium based PC to use for experimentation.
Mike - that question (re course depth) was asked by luizcosta (poster's name is below message) the @CHUCK was directing the message to Chuck.
FWIW, I like the idea of jumping into a deep subject as well as the introductory classes as most have been so far. (but I have an embedded/drivers background; just mostly in Windows)
The kallsyms allows you to see *all* of the symbols including the ones that were dynamically loaded via kernel modules. Without it enabled, you get just the addresses from the hash table without the symbol names. Then you can use ksymoops to decode.
Hi Mike - can experience with Ubuntu or Linux Mint be used to "bootstrap" knowledge for Android?
A forum or mailing-list would have been way better, this chat is of no serious use
@luizcosta: You raise a good point. It's a jump. Would you be more comfortable with a basic debugging class? Or perhaps a basic Linux programming class?
Your best way to learn Linux as a beginner is to get an old PC, download a Linux distribtion and install it. I use Linux Mint, but a lot of folks use Ubuntu, Fedora and many others. Just search for "download Linux Mint" or "download fedora linux". That will take you to the page for downloads. Enjoy...
digitalwiz: When you don't have kallsyms or build the kernel with symbols it has a hash table of all the "exported" symbols for "connecting the dots" of the kernel module. load.
Hi Mike,
Isn't the kernel's symbol table always loaded with the kernel? That's how externals in modules are resolved, right?
In terms of capture of an oops with embedded systems, the others that were not discussed are pmem, pstore, and kdump. The thing about kernel debugging is that there are lots of tools and sometimes no single tool will get you exactly what you need and they all have costs and benefits to implement.
@Chuck -- not sure. This the the first one of these I've presented. That sounds like a question for DesignNews...
@earlmit ex Mars
Could ya send that stuff back ($US2.5B) ?
Can we download a copy of the Audio of the presentation? Perhaps a link will be provided within the week?
@jamesdeutsch -- the strace -f option is great for following forks, and the -p option is great for attaching to an existing PID
Thank you for the session. I look forward to the rest of the series this week.
i never worked on linux before
just heard your lecture today out of curiosity
I am working on PIC microcontroller programming at present
Whats a good way to learn linux as a beginner?
strace vs. lttng... strace uses a different mechanism than lttng. I'll be discussing lttng later in the series. But, lttng can capture the system calls like strace does. But, strace is lighter weight and doesn't require patching tht kernel or rebuilding kernel modules.
Thanks. I am looking forward to learning more.
@CHUCK: I am taking this CEC courses for about 4 months now (SECOND SEMESTER), and this Linux debugging course kind of feels out of sequence in the curriculum with no preliminary considerations. Everything else before was presented at a very basic level and evolved from there. Can you tell me what I'm missing?
@johnwiley - thanks, I've been working with LTIB for kernel config so far.
@jamesdeutch. Try the strace man page
If you want to debug kernel source code, you'll need to attend the rest of the seminar series ;-). Seriously, you can use KGDB or JTAG. I'll be discussing both later in the presentation.
Hey Mike, how is (or is it) strace related to LTTng? What are the pros/cons of LTTng vs. strace?
Thanks, Mike. Looking forward to rest of week.
Thanks, Mike and Digi-Key! One suggestion, I wish you could read and answer questions over the audio. Keeping up with this chat is like sipping from a firehose.
Signing off from Mars.
Hey did you Earth guys drop some junk on our planet?
Thanks for the presentation. Looking forward to the rest of the week.
Thanks a lot, see you tomorow!
Great info!
Thanks Mike! Looks like we'll cover a lot this week - looking forward to it!
Where can I find information on how to connect strace to a running application?
Thanks for an interesting presentation
Nice start to kernel debug, clear presentation is very good.
thanks for the enlighting lecture
Fine business
A recommended book to start in drivers design for linux?
(without too much pain! : ) greetings!
That's not software... That's the X based kernel options dialog...
Thanks, this was good.
Oops output is captured into the system logs (klogd or syslog), THe Panic output isn't captures as we don;t know how much of the system is stable at that point.
What's your best bet for a kernel debugger? GDB?
Thank you for the session
@Mike: any quick reference recommendations to get up to speed for the rest of the lectures for newbies?
Tremendous lecture, Mike. Thank you.
Thanks Michael!
thanks Chuck ... see u tormorrow
see you tomorrow
Thank You Mike. Great Information.
btw, Mike - thanks, awesome material and I look forward for more later
Are we going to see techniques intodebugging multicore?
thank you
THanks! I am looking forward to the next sessions.
Chuck thanks 2 U and digikey as well.
is it possible to download the course file?
Thanks Mike, Chuck
Great information and great presenter
thanks Mike - great intro
Thanks Mike
thanks for a good presentation
thanks Mike gr8 session
Thanks Mike, and Digi-Key!
excellent session, looking forward to rest of the week
Good intro, thanks!
looking forward to the next sessions
Great intro, thank you.
Nice job MIke!
Thanks Mike for such a nice presentation .. I am new still gain quite a lot.
Michael thank you for Today's lecture
Slide 12 - what software is that?
Great session, Mike - thanks.
How to log the kernel debug to see what happens on Oops, or panic that cause reboot?
Excellent hi altitude view of debugging the kernel - I look forward to more this week.
going to hopefully
are we going into debugging multicore?
do these debugging techniques apply to android? are debugging symbols normally enabled in android kernels?
Working on embedded designs (sorry had to step away for a couple of minutes).
I have worked on embedded designs in the past, but not now. no time.
I am wouking on an embedded system. 16M to 128M RAM, 128M to 512M nand. two SD cards, ethernet, no display
not doing anything embedded right now; playing with Android kernel (AOSP) a bit
@AlanJayWeiner You are welcome, looking forward to a productive week
embedded in the near future
Embedded MX5, mx6, Beagleboard. i.e. ARM
I am working on an Embedded Design
yes, I am
Currently working with BeagleBoard for a project.
i am not
Currently working on embedded systems, but not Linux based right now.
Not now but gearing up for next month with some preview plans.
Previous designs, nothing at the moment. Expect more later this year.
working embedded design now
True... all I do
+1 x86 Embedded - AMD fusion
Currently not in embedded. Trying to move into that area.
learning Raspberry Pi
I am
Embedded designs on x86, arm, ppc, and mips.
Linux on X86-64 Embedded Arm FreeRTOS TI Stellaris CORTEX M3
Not doing imbedded design now
I am.
Working on Embedded Design, (but not right now - listening to webcast)
Almost exclusively embedded on various ARM processors
I actually working over embbedded arm 7400 device
I am training myself on embedded systems design.
starting an embedded design
3 here working on embedded (freescale)
I am working on several embedded designs.
I'm doing embedded.
Embedded ARM
yes, working on MIPS/PPC right now.
Embedded (Blackfin)
yep, arm a8
yes, emb design
@checkman - not currently working on embedded designs
Yes I do embedded
embedded right now
Embedded + RT
embedded arm here
Yes, working on embedded system designs.
Yes, working on a few embedded systems.
Only work on embedded designa
Me for embedded
haven't heard 'vt100' for a while...
For no audio, try to reload the page - that usually fixes it...
no audio
we'reon slide 15.
What is even more useful is to get the lines for locations from the stack trace as that is your pointer in to where somethin crashed. It is not covered in this particular power point, but hopefully it will be at a later point. :-)
how is this related to LTTng?
now on slide 14
Thanks jwessel
Linux 2.4 on PowerPC (8641D)
Linux 2.6 on X86_64
Page 12 - what is that app that is used for kernel config? I'm used to LTIB from Freescale so far
@HOST: what screen is that on slide 12?
@bartholemew - proprietary is incidental.
So proprietary == tainted in this case, or is proprietary just one way in which it can be tainted?
An oops can absolutely be fatal, not always but that is also the reason you can set the kernel to panic on oops. If a user space app generated an oops, that is certainly a way to you can end up exploting the system (for those security minded folks).
(sorry - that should have a question mark after it; asking if this is correct)
to clarify: difference between panic and oops is (generally) where error occurs; if in ISR, it's a panic, if in driver itself, it's an oops
My Linux experience has all been on x86 so far.
steved999: install chrome
Yes, we are on Slide 9.
RandyS to answer your question: "Is there a specific flag to set to have the kernel automatically reboot on panic?" Yes, there is a kernel argument called panic=DELAY_IN_SECONDS see Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
@mike - so...is oops an acronym or not
Slide 9
RaspberryPi with Android 4
I couldn't get the latest adobe flash to install without installing "Google Toolbar", there was no place to uncheck the option. Sorry, I won't be taking the class- don't want "Google Toolbar"
Considering ARM w/ Linux.
Is there a specific flag to set to have the kernel automatically reboot on panic?
ARM Cortex A8
Linux x86
CPU architectures used for embedded Linux: OMAP, ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, and embedded x86 variantsCPU architectures used for Android: OMAP and x86
x86 for development machine (and various dev stuff) Android is ARM
linux x86
ARM9/Embedded Linux, Xilinx MicroBlaze Softcore/PetaLinux
Not using Linux yet, but expect ARM processor
power pc
ARM Mini2440
Atmel SAM9G35
ARM and PPC used here, ARM in the SOC we sell, PPC for board level testing and debug.
ARM Cortex A8. TI Sitara.
xilinx ppc440
ARM, x86, MIPS...
Not doing ot so far. Looking at ARM for embedded, Desktop for development.
I'm using amd64. Or x86_64.
i.MX5 & 6
We are using ARM/TI OMAP architecture or x86
ARM v7, PPC 83xx, i.MX
x86, but looking at ARM soon.
cortex m4
x86-32 intel/amd
x86 but soon android
ARM, PPC, and Intel
ARM, Atmel, Intel
ARM + MIPS cpus
x86, z80
Intel Xeon multi-core processor platform
@checkman - worked with Linux on PC platform
Using Ubuntu x86 as host, cross compiling for ARM 926
PowerPC, P2020 - here
Linux on Intel X86/x64
ARM Based, Inter x86, PowerPC
CPU: ARM, x86
Intel & Arm architectures
ARM and x86
TI Beagleboard
ARM, MIPS and x86
freescale imx6
x86 Linux
The kernel can also be configured to panic on oops, as opposed to try to continue. e.g. the kernel .config CONFIG_PANIC_ON_OOPS=y
OOPS is covered in this session on page 9, coming up.
writing drivers during hardware development can be *so* much fun... :)
@HOST: what distro iommu is available?
@Mike - humor me...tell me what OOPS stands for in this context
Slide 6
yes linux but looking at android
have used Linux, but not for embeded use
No matter what i have tried no audio
Hello everyone I found that on my xp machine if I run the slide dec I lost audio. If you save the pp file and then open the file audio is okay.
Still nothing, I would really have liked to participate!
have recently done some Android development in Ubuntu
Yes, Linux soft RT control application
In my case Android
I would love to work with both someday
Maintainer for KGDB / KDB
Brief Linux, no android.
Will be working on android. This is new
embedded linux user
linux on embedded ARM system
never used Linux
Linux user looking to learn more.
Haven't 'worked' in Linux. I have used it on several personal systems for years, RedHat, Gentoo, Ubuntu.
I've done some linux 2.6 kernel driver development. Nothing android yet.
I'm using embedded Linux in ARM and Xilinx FPGA.
Thinking about creating an android app, but not compiling the kernel.
+1 Linux / -1 Android
I've done a few character based kernel modules.
I have embedded Linux device driver development experience.
i don't
I have done a lot of Linux dev.
Worked with Linux kernel; not Android
I haven't
me linix too
Use embedded Linux. Not Andriod yet.
Many years of Linux development. Enjoying the lecture.
Just getting into Android.
+1 for Linux on ARM
Linux exp, no Android
I've looked at it but not worked on it
Have not worked with Linux/Android yet.
Not I.
Linux...a little (not much at all). Not android.
linux (debian and redhat), but not driver development
I do
I am pretty new.Actually moving into it.
Have used Linux
have worked with android linux
I have not done any code work in Linux.
I work with Linux, have not yet worked with Android, but plan to in the future.
Linux - no Android
+1 Android
uClinux 2.4
I teach seminars on embedded Linux and Linux device drivers
Linux and Android both -- applications for Android.
i have, on both
I have on both.
linux, almost android but not yet
yes, I have worked with linux and linux kernels. I have compiled kernels.
Embedded Linux here in Boise
Never have worked with either. My company is getting into Android.
I have not worked in either
Yes to linux, no to android
Linux, here. :)
Linux and android in user space
Not so far - looking to move into it for personal development.
Yes, both embedded Linux and Android
neither Linux nor Android
@checkman - some linux app work...nothing with android
Linux kernel device drivers.
not currently
Currently working with Linux
New to Linix/Android
I have
Linux 2.6 kernel driver developer
Worked with Linux applications, no drivers.
Linux only - interested in Android, though
<raises hand>
5 here.
+1 for Linux exp
I did not.
I have!
I have, on both
I don't own an iPhone.
Abarman -> If you have an IPHONE use Photon to listen.
My IT department is blocking the audio.
I put in a request to unblock it, but it will probably take until next week before they do it so I guess I will have to listen to an archived version next week.
Got audio after I hit F5.
Just testing my chat session.
Loud and Clear
hello from Fort Worth
hello from Austin Tx
good afternoon everyone
hi all
audion loud and clear here
System architect
Audio and slides are working for me.
F5 did not help. Still no audio.
Hello from Utah. I have audio...
Good afternoon Mike.
I hit F5, still no audio
Good afternoon!
Hello Mike
I am a Novice to this topic.Looking forward to it.
Good afternoon folks.
for those having audion problems...read the fine print under the radio streamer above
No audio for me either
hit key F5
No Audio
hi you guys
Hi Mike, hello everyone else from Holland Michigan.
@weqaar - thanks!
Still no audio.
Still no audio for me
Hello Mike...looking forward to todays presentation and the whole week
Hello all
Hi from MD
Hello all.
cool weather today in upstate NY.
Hello Everyone from Oregon
Hello from Swindon UK
audio just started automagically for me
Hello Everyone
There's the audio !
Hello from SoCal
Greetings from Goleta, CA - where's the webinar?
Hi from Portlandia
Information resources to help out with this course (Free and under US$10) *) Self-Service Linux - Mastering the Art of Problem Determination, Open Publication Licensed http://www.informit.com/content/images/013147751X/downloads/013147751X_book.pdf *) Debugging Linux Systems: US$7.99 http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0136123546 *) SystemTap: Instrumenting the Linux Kernel for Analyzing Performance and Functional Problems http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp4469.html *) Linux Performance and Tuning Guidelines https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/redp4285.html Bit on the costly side, but highly recommended: Linux Debugging and Performance Tuning: Tips and Techniques, Steve Best ISBN-10: 0131492470 ISBN-13: 9780131492479 http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Linux-Debugging-and-Performance-Tuning-Tips-and-Techniques/9780131492479.page
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What audio?
hello from Austin, TX
The session will begin in 1 minute
Hello from Albuquerque.
any issues with audio?
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hello I don't see /hear anything
hello from Methuen, MA
Greetings, Mars! We come in peace!
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1 Min. before the presentation, Hit F5 to refresh your brouser.
@digitalwiz - what part of NM
Hello from Mars
Hello from the Land of Enchantment
hello from sizzeling hot Dallas
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Hi Everyone From California
The slide deck can be downloaded from: http://www.designnews.com/lecture.asp?doc_id=247830&piddl_promo=&p_lg_c
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It will load automatically when the streaming starts I think.
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I'm logged in but where is the web link?
Greetings all from Colorado Springs, CO
good morning from san diego, CA
Hello from Southern California.
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wow there are people from all over the US here
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CQ CQ testing 1234
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good morning here in san diego how does this work
Test, Good Afternoon!
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In what format is the lecture? I am logged in...is there a link to video/audio I should click on to see the material?
Hello, for this course Will I need some specific linux version? (Debian 3.1, linux minimum version (embbedded) it's ok? ) Thanks in advance


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He's one guy we're just never going have on this team. He cares only about money, we have two max guys signed for max length and even those two guys make less than Melo. He's not a guy that's going to take a discount to create a winner.
I think PP is a good bet for next season. Obviously it's not the same impact as Melo but he'd start for us no question. A guy like Pierce would come out here, home town + Doc + great team + open slot at his position...Most likely we'll only have the minimax to offer but eventually he'd be leaving money even at a full midlevel offer. Brooklyn will offer him 10mil for 2-3years even if he sucks this season. It would be about getting into the right situation to try to win another chip before he retires.
Assuming we draft a big, he'd be a great way to spend the 3mil.
As a Lakers fan who occasionally drops by here to see what it is like to have a winner, I am appalled at the idiocy of trading Blake for Carmelo. That is the type of move I would expect from Jim Buss, not from the new Clippers.
If you hadn't noticed already there is not one fan on here that is into this idea. AND the OP is a Laker fan.
Seriously??? A guy at the height of his career averaging 22 pts 10 rebounds, and 49% from the field??
In miami his minutes went down and scoring obviously because of playing with LBJ, but his efficiency went through the roof last season shooting 53% from the field.
There is a reason why they called it the "Big 3". In fact why am I explaining this. lol... This is common basketball knowledge.
Ummm....you do know that Blake shot 53% from the field and played less minutes than Bosh last year and scored more and rebounded more than him.
That's common basketball knowledge.
Fully endorses PP
I hope you guys understand that I am not for this trade at all. I just said its fair, never said I liked it.
In what world is that a fair trade, Melo is great but he's pushing 30, Blakes not hitting 30 at least another 6 years, this is not a fair trade.
No to melo! Last nights final possession in the knicks game is exhibit a. He will never win a ring. It is way too early to say that about blake.
its a horrible trade. Blake is younger than Melo, so we would be giving the Knicks a bigger window while closing ours. You're correct that Melo scores well, but he also monopolizes the ball and is a classic "ball stopper." in contrast, Blake is a great passer for a big man and better rebounder than Melo.they are both mediocre on defense but overall Blake is younger and does so much more than what Melo does.
the nuggets traded Melo for quality role players and managed to stay a playoff team, so Melos contribution is not really that huge. the clippers would be dumb to make this trade and the entire sports media
would be ridiculing us non stop. ill pass on Melo
Have you read my post? BLAKE IS AN ELITE LOW POST PLAYER. That was my point. I'm not saying bosh is better than blake.
My point is Bosh is considered an elite low post player.
Jimbo, is that you?
My bad. So who's the person who said we should trade for Bosh & Wade?
I think we should lay this tread to rest. After all, Blake himself killed it last night. His performance spoke by itself. I am a better all around player than Melo.
No to this tread!
An interesting question for all of us is this....
If the Clippers continue to rise defensively (currently 7th in the league in Drtg), can we continue to say that Blake and Jordan are just mediocre defenders, yet somehow the team is very good on defense and could even start to challenge for elite?
Unlike last season, the bench aren't the ones carrying the defense, in fact, they are holding it back. It is the starters who are very good.
The only teams with a better defensive ranking than the Clippers so far:
San Antonio
That's some pretty good company to be approaching their level in terms of defensive ability. Just something we should start thinking about. He's playing pretty good pick and roll defense, rebounding better defensively, getting to his spots. Blake might just be moving up to "good" defender.
"Big" 3 DRtg:
Paul 101
Team DRtg 103.1
I would say at this point DJ is a very good defender and Blake is good.
I think getting a backup big that can play good D could boost up to a top 5 defense.
I agree 100%. But you know how "Stigma's" are. People just keep repeating the same old jargon regardless of improvement.
Just like the "All blake can do is dunk". Only fans who watch the games really keep up with the daily progress so most people only know what the media reports. Which is usually outdated.
There are still people who think lebron can't Shoot 3's lol.
Can we close this thread? There is no point making 5 pages about Melo to LA if it is not going to happen.
It is basically either Lakers fan or a Knick fan hoping to take away Griffin from the Clippers. Well, heck no sore losers. Work your way up instead buy your way in like everyone else here.
Yea, pretty nice huh?
Paul already generally played good defense, though his effort around screens at times could be lax as well as sometimes over-helping. This season though his defense has been even better than the last two seasons, he's a lot more in tune on defense and he has been very good for his position.
...but also a good team system makes everyone look better on defense.
Yep a lot of people who don't even know crap running their mouths. I cringe whenever I see stuff like Blake can't play defense and only dunks.
Heck I have seen people say Lebron can only dunk and make layups.
I agree Paul in the last two seasons has been fairly good defensively but he has been great this season. The best defensive season i have seen from him since 09. He has made some stupid errors due to gambling a bit(mostly leaving shooters open from 3) but aside from that he has been great.
Original article is on Bleacher Report
It's all just speculation and talk between sources, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. As a Lakers fan here's my opinion.
Melo is the best scorer in the league, he can average 30 a night if he wanted to. He can score from literally anywhere on the court. Griffin on the other hand is a very entertaining player to watch with his high fly act and everything. He's developing a post game and he's not a bad finisher. He is an good rebounder that goes after all the loose balls. With that being said though, BOTH players are terrible defensively and even Chris Paul criticizes BG for that. However, it's an OK trade for both teams. Why? Clippers get an elite scorer to go with CP3 while Knicks get a good post player with plenty of upside in Griffin. New York is a great place for Griffin because he's a very exciting player to watch, while LA is a good place for Melo because he likes being with big market teams. This is coming from a Lakers fan too.
What do you guys think? I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can.
BTW I have over 1700 posts with LTB, have 10 Rep points, and have been a member since 2007. Not that impressive, but I know the system with the Topbuzz's.
Yeah, I'm glad you posted it because there has been lots of discussions surrounding this topic. However, it just strikes a wrong chord with us Clippers fans. Blake if our franchise guy we've never had anyone of this caliber before, and even guys in the past like Danny Manning or Elton Brand didn't become marketable guys like Blake has.
Nothing personal against you we just don't like the trade. Besides my guess is that he is probably bound to go to the Lakers TBH.
BaadMaster, what's your take on Melo joining the Lakers? I think LAL would be a top destination for Melo
If 5 pages is the over/under. I'm betting over. The more the Knicks suck, the more rumors and speculations will arise.
The Knicks will probably dismantl their team, the question is when will the first dominoe fall.
Also, has anyone else noticed how many good players the Knicks have given away in recent years? And yet we get the bad rep for letting players go. To name a few decent players that the Knicks have just let go:
Zach Randolph
Jeremy Linn
David Lee
Danilo Gallinari
I guess Danilo doesn't technically count since they traded him for Carmelo, so it wasn't a give away. Randolph wasn't his more disciplined self as a Knick though, he was the iso at the 3PT line and shots a three version, lol.
I don't think anyone in tune with things associates that label with the Clippers anymore, it's been a while since that was the case. I think the Knicks bigger issue is their bad signings as opposed to the guys they let go. They just seem to give out contracts without clear thought about fit or anything like that.
Yep the Knicks owner and FO is garbage but it doesn't matter since the Knicks rake in lots of money even when they suck so Dolan can be as inept as he wants....
In fact, most of the East is garbage due to inept management. Teams in the East love to overpay, trade draft picks like they are nothing and don't even take into consideration how players fit together. By teams in the East I mean pretty much every team but Miami, Indiana and maybe Boston.
Knicks got a great team, they just have no System. Mike Woodsen lets them play way to much one on one ball, they don't really run any sets and they have no defensive system besides the Play hard system in witch they are not consistent at, you bring in a L. Hollins or a Van Gundy then they'd be a tittle contender.
Start Amare, put Melo at the 3 were he belongs instead of playing against 4's were he tire downs late in games. Go out and get a good PG, and put Andrea on the Bench were he could be a bigger factor. They have a great team, they just don't have any structure, they need to be put on a leash.
Crazy note, Carmelo had 29 points on 29 shots tonight.
Bargnani had 12 points on 16 shots.
Jr. Smith 19 points on 23 shots, he shot 17 3 pointers.
The system certainly isn't very good, but even before the system, the player compilation is bad. They don't have a good sense of the complimentary nature of team building.
Yes, if you get unselfish superstar level players together, you can make things work even if their games aren't naturally complimentary. Now, the key word is superstar level, but even with those guys, the cast you surround them with needs to be carefully selected to compliment them well. If you don't have multiple high level players then you need to be even more diligent in putting together complimentary players.
Putting great and team together in the same sentence does not describe the Knicks...system or no system, LOL.
Boo, on many levels.
Only the most delusional Knicks fans think they have a "great team". My Knicks aren't terrible but they aren't that good either. The roster is terrible in terms of fit. At best they would be a slightly above .500 team in a weak East.
Btw Amare is injured(as per usual) and in general he is a net negative on the court. He is worse than Bargnani defensively and that is saying something.
Clippers fans can joke about Mullens but at the end of the day he is only taking up one roster spot and a trivial amount of money. Amare gets paid the super max to play like a scrub and constantly get injured. Bargnani also sucks and gets paid quite a lot.
Another reason why we don't want carmelo lol
http://deadspin.com/photoshop-contest-n ... 1490385759
Let's put this rumor to bed please. Melo is a loser, and as bad as sterling has traditionally been, even he is not that dumb to trade a
24 year old stud for an aging and dissatisfied jerk like melo.
THanks for wasting our time
I'm sure New York would love Griffin, but they have no leverage seeing that Melo can leave and go where he pleases.
If Melo really does want to come here, we'll find a way as long as it doesn't involve Griffin or Paul.
I've been a huge fan of DJ this year, but if you can ship him and picks for Melo, definitely gotta think about it.
Then who plays center for us? No thanks.
Bynum if that whole things works out!
Except Bynum has degenerative knees and can't be a long term investment.
Bring back Kaman, he is just wasting his life in lakers bench, he can still shoot and depend for a min.
I'm fine with Bynum or Kaman...backing up DJ.
Who plays center on the Heat?
It doesn't really matter.
Hard to compare any team to the heat when they have the best player, lebron, who can play 1-5 and defend 1-5 as well.
i can't believe you guys really want to trade dj!? he just made that leap we were always waintng for. with doc he will become one of the best center in the nba
^ Yup. He was arguably overpaid for the past 2 years... now he seems underpaid relative to his peers. Only way it makes sense to trade him now is to package him with our trash for a bona fide stud on a rookie contract plus pieces. No GM will make that trade.
Just sayin', teams at the top of the standings: Heat, Thunder, Blazers - Their centers are not that great.
I really like DJ, he's really locked in this season and he's growing into a better player each game. But the rumor right now is Blake for Carmelo, which we would never do. You have to give up something good if you want something good in return. CP3, Blake, and Melo is an unbelievable Big 3, we have to consider it.


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In operation, when the tow vehicle slows, the inertia of the trailer presses the actuator against the coupler, pushing the piston into the master cylinder. Like stepping on the brake pedal in a car, this applies pressure through the brake lines to the individual brakes at the trailer wheels. The system self-regulates the amount of braking force because the force on the piston is proportional to the rate of slowing of the tow vehicle.
The more the tow vehicle tries to slow, the more force is applied to the piston and through the hydraulic fluid to the trailer brakes. Conversely, when the tow vehicle accelerates, the hitch ball pulls the coupler forward, extending the piston and releasing the brakes. A very simple, cool design.
However, an unintended consequence of surge brake systems is that the actuator also applies the brakes when backing up because the tow vehicle is pushing against the inertia of the trailer. On flat ground with a light trailer, this may not be a problem. However, it can be a big problem when backing up a hill or driveway with a heavy trailer, especially if the trailer is equipped with disc brakes instead of drum brakes. Therefore, the brake system requires a method to deactivate the brakes when in reverse.
Some actuators allow the driver to deactivate the brakes manually by temporarily inserting a lockout pin into the actuator to keep the actuator/coupler mechanism from compressing. However, the pin will prevent brake actuation both in reverse and in the forward direction. This presents a serious safety hazard because if the driver inadvertently leaves the lockout pin in place while driving forward, the trailer brakes will remain deactivated.
A better approach is to use a system that automatically deactivates the brakes only when backing up. In this respect, drum brakes have an advantage over disc brakes because the design of the brake shoe mechanism in drum brakes leverages much of its braking force from the forward rotation of the drum. As a result, drum brakes are very ineffective in reverse, so backing up is not difficult even if the brakes are applied. In addition, some drum brakes utilize a "free-backing" design, which virtually eliminates all braking action in reverse.
Disc brakes, however, are equally effective in forward and reverse because the braking force is independent of the direction of rotation of the rotor. To prevent braking in reverse, actuators intended for disc brakes often utilize either a blocking or bypass solenoid. The solenoid mounts between the master cylinder and the brake line, and connects to the backup lights of the tow vehicle. Therefore, the solenoid actuates only when the vehicle is in reverse gear, eliminating the potential of the brakes remaining deactivated when driving forward.
As the name suggests, a blocking solenoid blocks the brake line, preventing pressure from the master cylinder from pressurizing the brake line. However, a blocking solenoid can still result in the trailer brakes activating while in reverse because the solenoid will not relieve existing pressure that can already be in the brake line. This will occur if the driver stops while traveling downhill and shifts into reverse to back up the hill. Even though the blocking solenoid will prevent the master cylinder from applying additional pressure to the brake lines, the existing residual pressure in the brake lines can keep the brakes applied.
As an alternative, a properly designed bypass solenoid relieves the pressure from both the master cylinder and the brake lines by opening a bypass port into the brake fluid reservoir. This prevents the master cylinder from applying new pressure to the brake lines, and relieves any existing residual pressure in the brake lines.


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Here is another of the postcards sent by William Joseph Henry BATEMAN and his family from Australia back to his parents in England. This one was written to William's mother Dorothy Isabella BATEMAN on the 26th September 1907 by his wife Annie.
Once again I know nothing about the publisher or the artist, but like the other ones I have written about, I do like the image. I also love the way that so much information was crammed onto the back of the card, not even space for a stamp on this one.
These messages give a wonderful insight into their life in Australia, and an insight into Annie's personality, she has a wonderful style of writing and a subtle sense of humour (and a dislike of punctuation).
The main message reads "Just a line to let you know we are all in the best of health and that we have moved again you will think it must be cheaper to shift than pay rent but we have a much better house and 1/6 a week cheaper and there was only a fence between us and the land-lady and she was a fair old tander but only one street away from where we were our address now is :- Esplanade Place Port Melb'e no number but but [sic] there are only five houses in the street. hope all are well Will has gone back to work"
The two shorter messages are just as interesting, "I am going over to Geelong tomorrow for three days I have to go down to draw the interest on Siddies' money. I am taking the two children with me". This is referring to Annie's son from her first marriage, Sidney Ambrose BULL, presumably there was some sort of legacy left by his late father that interest was being paid on.
The second even shorter message, "baby is not walking yet I think he feels safer on the the floor." is referring to William Thomas Henry BATEMAN, Annie and William's first child who would have been a few days away from his first birthday when this card was sent.
There is one word that puzzles me, tander, I presume this is an Australian slang word, but have been unable to find a definition for it. From the context of the message I have taken it to mean someone who is an interfering busy-body, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable would like to provide me with a more accurate definition.


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Yea but he quit on the game yesterday. only 2 points in the second half.
What was that reason?
He's getting there, but not yet
n this is the reason why minni ain't even close to making the POs LOL
Creepy much, Big Baby? See how he was staring at Redick during their conversation? Haha.
I didn't watch the game, 2 points in the second half isn't indicative of quitting, could be Brooklyn's defense, could be that he was just missing everything, why would the automatic assumption be that he quit as if that is something characteristic of him?
I actually like Minn. I watched 4 of those games. Love has not looked himself for about a week
and a half now. He has pretty much called it quits. He had 1 good game in the last 5.
Look at his stats before you come to those conclusions.
Listen I have watched 4 of his last 5 games. He isn't playign with the fire he had
in the beginning of the season and it shows.
It's not an "automatic assumption" it's an assessment from watching him
play. His body language, facial expressions, and play on the court
show a guy who has called this season quits.
For sure he impacts the game more then Love. More than most NBA players.
Wow we completely blew this game open.
Inability to defend late in games and not enough adequate close game offense is actually why, not because they get blown out. If they won like 50% of their close games they would be in the playoff hunt. They've won like 3 or 4 close games all season, that's just embarrassing, but also disproportionately bad.
If I were him I would do the same. There is no chance to make the playoffs. Just mail it in lol.
Like I said, I don't know, but you didn't indicate any of that, you just said he had 2 points in the second half and signified that meant he's quitting. I don't have time to watch Wolves games, but if that's the case, then sure.
Remember when people complained about us not having "scrubs" that go off?? I could be wrong but I'd say that Dudley and Barnes would be proving those people wrong right now
Shabazz has the Jared Dudley body
Why is collison out?
Bullock might need a little bit of a conscience
Here comes the scrub. Shabazz Whohammed? THAT WAS A GOOD ONE!
Playing like the game is over wth
You almost had it from me but then you asked for it!!! Read somewhere here you are not supposed to.
Reggie is definitely quick on the fire
Too many threes!!!!!! What is their problem
Dang it I WORKED SO HARD FOR THAT ONE
This team REALLY needs to stop chucking. It's becoming a bad habit.
This is interesting, Wolves have diced the lead down to 12 (now 14) and no sign of Love.
CP3 met him at the top!
Barea just can't handle that move, CP is trolling him
Wolves doing this without Love , Rubio and Martin
Beautiful layup by CP
Who cares, we're winning without Blake, Jcross and Redick
That's what happens when you cheat
We slacked off towards the end but good win nevertheless.
Good win.
reason why, 2 words ' Ricky Rubio'
Remember our conversation few months ago about Dudley played the 4 in Phoenix? That's what I like about him in Phoenix because he can guard the 4 spots in switches and creates mismatches in pick and roll on the other end. Something tells me Doc might exploits it in the playoff
kjavis, you're right, Rubio's inability to score and be a scoring threat has hurt them, and their SG Kevin Martin isn't necessarily a shot creator. Generally you find few big men who have the primary role of late game shot creation, and Love really shouldn't have to do that, he should have a perimeter guy taking over those responsibilities, but Minny hasn't really had that. Still, their's the defensive side and their lack of rim protection also hurts. Pek is great, but he doesn't jump and he isn't a rim protector, probably not the best compliment on defense to a grounded guy like Love to have another grounded guy
jarca, Dudley's PF abilities are still matchup dependent, Love isn't too bad of a matchup because of how Love plays, but MunoValente has seemed to be tooting Dudley as a backup PF for a while, still, in Phoenix, he was primarily used as a SF/SG, he just had his lateral quickness rating dropped this season.
Lol and people were mad a Chris for not being able to shoot after an injury.
Rubio ( injury-less ) is like 9 for his last 36! Including a 4/5 night in LA
Why did love barely play? Why did martin?!
Clippers have the Number 1 seed... If they were in the east.
Good game by Duds, proud of you phat man, lol
Great game for DC, DJ, CP , Matt, and Duds.
Nice win!! Looks like Duds finally out that weight to good use at PF
Dudley was a very good college PF, but is short for the position. I think when he came into the league moving to SF was the right move for him, but since then the league has trended toward more smaller, faster lineups and guys there were sort of tweener forwards in college are mostly better playing at PF now. Even Paul Pierce is playing a lot PF these days, Brooklyn's big turnaround came when they started to use him Livingston, Johnson and Williams together.
Defensively Dudley is good against hybrid spot shooter/post players, Love fits this well, but so do guys like Melo, Nowitzki, even Lebron is starting to play more like this now, Durant as well, but he's so good no one can really guard him. These types of players play can be found at PF and SF, so where he does defensively will depend on match ups; he struggles against fast face up players especially when he was banged up earlier in the year. I could see him struggling against bruising PFs like Randolph, but there aren't all that many guys like that anymore.
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What were the wolves thinking favoring Rubio over love? He's never been able to shoot...
The Wolves GM was horrible.
Yes I know his name was spelled Kahn. Still fitting though.
Huge game by Collison loving it more wins now the more rest games at home. If we keep winning like this I could see the starters staying in LA for the last road game against Portland.
Big Baby only played 3:24 tonight. Is he officially in Doc's dog house?


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