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Yeah Bledsoe is a bad boy. And he totally deserved to put his athleticism and beastliness on display as a starter for some team. Phoenix is kinda the perfect team to do that. Although I could see Bledsoe helping a team like the Knicks also. But I like DC better as a back up to CP3 who can come in and lead the team if needs be. He's just kinda smoother as a point guard. He won't necessarily be a game changer, but he won't do much to hurt the team either. He's just been solid.
All I have to say is we had Vinny last year...
Bledsoe is a much better player. There is no argument, but DC is playing just as most of us expected, pretty good.
Id say this comparison is ridiculously unfair to Bledsoe. Bledsoe played under VDN and Collison gets to run Docs offensive sets there is no fair comparison there since neither player got to play for both. All I have to say is Avery Bradley to tell you that odds are that Bledsoe wouldve been incredible in Docs system. Bledsoe was a big reason that there were times where we could go to him and Crawford and the backcourt and not have to bring CP back in.
I like both this guy, seems we did not lost Bledsoe, He is very athletic but his negative is he has no control of his speed like a freight train who lost his break, Collison doesn't have the speed as Bledsoe but has more control going to the hoop. but both guys when hot they are hot, another thing is Bledsoe always smiling in anything.
I dont want to vote since they played in different coaches with different system.
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Bledsoe has more athletic ability and can block Lebron or D wade but has no control with no jumpshot. Dc knows how to use his speed by getting foul and shoot freethrows. I like Darren cuz he fits more in doc system and his jumpshot 50x better than bled.
Bled might be better this year but Collison of this season vs. Bled of last season is clearly an upgrade. Collison is under control, makes good decisions, handles better and just plays so much smarter. I feel a lot better with him at point vs. last year with Bled.
10 years from now, probably Bled will have had the better career but this collision vs. that Bled, I take this Collison.
DC was playing very well when CP first went down, before the big toe injury. I think he was averaging something like 17 and 7. DC numbers dip since the sprained big toe. His defense has suffered as long as his quickness.
DC is an upgrade in the since of directing players in the right location and being control. Bledsoe was fun for us, last year. But at the same time we couldn't trust his judgment down the line.
Offensively Bled form last year and Collison this year's pretty similar. But nobody can play play D like Bledsoe.
Bledsoe and its not even close
Collison is a borderline starter. Bledsoe when healthy he was a borderline all star this year.
Funny how nobody is mentioning money... which is the only reason we let Bled go in the first place.
JJ + Collison > Bledsoe... that's the choice we had to make in the real world.
Not really. We could have done a s&t with Bledsoe after this season was over and we had bledsoe at a cheap salary and he could have played sg/pg just like Phoenix is using bledsoe and dragic and it works unbelievably.
This article really doesn't present an accurate picture or a fair benchmark.
The reality is though, if we weren't going to make bledsoe a starter he needed to go somewhere else. Unfortunately him and Paul played really well together, and it would have worked great if we picked up a big time 3 point shooter like a Korver.
Thinking about what happen to Bledsoe, kind of remind me of the situation with The Thunder, and Harden. Money issues, needed to shine more so they shipped him which set them back from winning against The Heat, that's just my opinion.
Harden is over Bledsoe of coarse!
I just hope we just not pass the first round but go further.
Not sure why any team would want to S&T for him since he'd have been unrestricted and they could just pick him up anyway. Unless of course they wanted to offload a bad contract... or if either team was over the cap, which is prohibited in the new CBA anyway, right?
Exactly. If not for money,Bled would be running this team now. But I am happy with the way it worked out with DC and JJ
I agree.
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I'd prefer Bledsoe as my 6th man off the bench in a Jamal Crawford type role, playing close to 30 MPG. He can play PG and SG and guard the SG position well enough where it isn't an issue. If I just want a backup PG to play when Paul isn't on, I'd prefer Collison at <$2M/year in that role.
In terms of record, we do have to be aware of who we are playing. I can't remember the teams we played last season, but the best wins we've had since Paul has been out is Dallas the game he went out, and again beating them by 2.
The other wins are teams in like to .300 - .400 winning percentage range. A 21-20 Bulls team that just traded Deng so I don't know if they are a .500 level team without him, and a 22-20 Raptors team that lost DeRozan and Patterson half way through the game so that obviously hurts. I don't want to check who we played with Bledsoe cause I'm lazy, but it's hard to make a conclusion on such a sample.
That's first, second, this season we have a much better coach, a much better DeAndre Jordan, Griffin is better, and we have that J.J. Redick guy who came back just as Paul went away. So it's not like we're making a direct comparison. If you're saying transplant this same team with Doc, DJ better and playing more, Redick at SG, but just switch Collison and Bledsoe, yes, I think they are still about 9-3 without Paul (if we count the Dallas game as without Paul though he was there for part of it).
The other wins outside of the okay ones were: Boston, New York, LA Lakers, Detroit, Orlando. The best record was Detroit 17-23 (.425). The Clippers with rookie Blake and when Gordon was healthy, with Vinny coaching were better than a .425 win percentage team. So better Blake, better Jordan, fat better coaching, Redick, Crawford off the bench, and whether it is Bledsoe or Collison at PG, that team is most likely going to beat 5/6 of those teams (lost to Charlotte).
Money was only an issue because they didn't see him as a starter or high minute backup. They saw him as a backup PG who was probably maxing out under 20 MPG and paying $6M+ for a backup PG made no sense if he's playing less than half the game.
Money isn't an issue if you saw him as your starting SG or as your PG/SG 6th man off the bench playing 28-30+ MPG (like Ginobili's role). Fit was also an issue in that Doc really wanted a Ray Allen type runner at a wing position for his offense, and if you start Bledose at SG, you don't get that, and there aren't many SF's let alone available ones who can play that role.
^ Personally, I don't dig the idea of a starting backcourt under 6 feet tall and I like what Jamal brings as a 6th man and 4th Q scoring option, so I think we made the right call.
In terms of bang for the buck, I think Collison's been incredible.
Just wait til you guys see how good Collison will be next year when he's playing for a contract.
^ hahahaha!
In essence he has a player option for next year so this is pretty much another contract year for him..
Don't think it would have been an issue (with the way he's playing with GD), but the Clippers obviously felt other wise. Anyway happy we have DC as our back up PG. He's been an excellent value.
Bledsoe is 6'0 without shoes. I think many times we focus too much on head height when basketball is played with your arms / hands, which is why people get confused about short guys who play bigger than their height and taller guys who play smaller than their height. That's why Elton Brand was never actually undersized and isn't undersized even as a C really.
Standing reach: 8'1.5"
Wingspan: 6'3.25"
Standing Reach: 8'2"
Wingspan: 6'7.5"
If they both put their hands up, Bledsoe's hand is 0.5 inches higher. Redick has a wingspan shorter than his height and 4.25" less than Bledsoe. Bledose has more length both vertically and horizontally. He also has a higher vertical. So if you're talking about defense, Bledsoe is contesting shots better, he's higher up, he can contest from a bit further away because his wingspan is 4.25" longer. Bledsoe is the same/similar effective basketball height as all these SG's: Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon, O.J. Mayo, J.J. Redick, etc
So despite the head height making us think we are less undersized at SG, we are actually more undersized at SG because no one is contesting shots or shooting with the top of their head.
I like what Jamal brings too, but there's more than one way to skin a cat, and by that I mean a good team is able to win in multiple ways, not just reliant on one style. Of course the easiest way is to have a 3 Guard rotation of CP/Bledsoe/Jamal. Bledsoe goes out early and Jamal comes in, then when CP goes out, you have Bledsoe and Jamal with the bench.
Then you just get a third PG in case of injury and your PG/SG rotation is:
PG: Paul 36 mins / Bledsoe 12 mins
SG: Bledsoe 20 minutes / Crawford 28 mins
Total: Paul (36), Bledsoe (32), Crawford (28)
Now am I mad or discontent? No, I'm not, but like I said in summer and I've said many times, I still would have loved to see that Paul/Bledsoe backcourt because they are a terror defensively together, and would be even more so with a rejuvenated DJ and Doc coaching. Of course my idea also included packaging Caron with our 25th pick to get another SF like Ariza, or go after Frye as a backup PF/C and then bring in a free agent 3/D SF.
Collison is great value though. He might be a one year stop-gap because obviously he isn't planning to be underpaid forever, hence the player option next year, but for this year it is great value.
The way he is playing now I think he is more likely to opt out this year. He talked about money before he took the chance this year but he rebuilt his stock playing with Paul hurt.
Miss Bled and in hindsight we did not have to trade him and could of got more and just done a lone Butler for JJ trade. Love the defense from Bledsoe but I like the fact Collison seems more in control more often and that mid range J helps the second unit.
Well put. I think we have a tendency to remember the good things about Bledsoe, such as the amazing defensive plays and speed. However, we conveniently forget that his passes were out of control and led to turnovers.
The way I look at it is that we did exactly what the Oklahoma City Thunder did when the dealt Harden away and found a great replacement in Kevin Martin. Like Harden, Bledsoe was bound to get a payday elswhere and a starters role. And like the Harden situation, we found someone to give similar production at the position we needed. Kevin Martin may not have been the same player that James Harden was, and Collison is not the same player Bledsoe is. However, for the production they both gave their teams didn't suffer for it.
Credit our front office for getting Collison.
I agree with everything you just said, except where did you hear the Bucks would have traded Redick for Butler straight across?
That deal was never on the table so never.
Anyway I am happy with Redick + Collison vs just Bledsoe by himself. Wouldn't be surprised if some team threw a big contract at Bledsoe too.
Bledsoe is restricted. Otherwise I would agree. High profile restricted free agents have proven to be worthwhile.
How much longer do we have to talk about Bledsoe and that trade? This is probably the first time in forever that Clipper fans don't have to reminisce about "what could've been" in regards to our team and we can actually enjoy what we have.
We have the best PG that's ever donned a Clippers jersey on our team for the next 5 years, yet we talk about that other PG more.
Yep, absolutley never. Don't know where that rumor came from.
Bledsoe as a starting 2 sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
A Shooting guard who can't Shoot. Who would want that?
Honestly I liked bledsoe, but I'd take JJ redicks shooting
over Bledsoe coming off the bench anyday.
We got killed last year because we couldn't shoot. Teams
just pack the paint on blake, and that is it.
Now that we have legitimate shooting threats I see us
actually being able to win a Championship.
Doc noticed this as well which is why he kept trying
to find a Shooting big man. The first 2 didn't work out,
but Turk looks like he will fit nicely.
We can now put 4 shooters around blake. Something
we have NEVER seen before.
And with Blake dominating everyone in 1 v 1 in the post
at this point, that strategy could work to perfection.
The Bucks absorbed Butlers contract a month after the trade to Phoenix because I guess they want the veteran leadership and wanted to bring him home. Phoenix only took Ish Smith a player making under a mil to dump Butler and with the Clippers they did not demand to get Bledsoe (if they did they caved) and in the three team deal they only got 2 2ND ROUNDERS. Phoenix should of never been part of the deal looking back and could of been Butler and a couple of 2nd rounders for Sign and Trade JJ Redick. To add to that the Bucks gave the Suns a C prospect from overseas to get Caron Butler in Viacheslav Kravtsov in part of the Ish Smith deal.
It may have taken longer but if the Bucks wanted Butler they could of dealt with us for JJ and been a much more simple deal. Its not about keeping Bledsoe but now taking his potential and value and getting any SF wanted in the league.
Look at this as is Bledsoe by himself equal in value to a Jared Dudley? I mean in a stand alone trade the Clippers better come out with a Suns first rounder with the potential Bledsoe had going.
Its all hindsight now but in truth Redick was the major target, we gave Phoenix Bledsoe for taking the contract of Butler but in the end it looks like it should of never happened
The deal did not happen but it could have based on Butler now being on the Bucks. They traded for the guy a month later. It would be different if they sold a longer contract to take Butlers expiring but they gave up two much cheaper and younger players. With us they could of got Butler and some 2nd rounders.
The timing of the deals was important, they only wanted Butler after they completely struck out in free agency. At the time the Bledsoe trade was made Jennings and Ellis were still free agents and the Bucks had enough space to go after outside free agents as well. Only after they failed utterly in the free agent market did they agree to trade for Butler. Redick was in high demand and would have been long gone well before the time the Bucks gave up and took Butler. They didn't really want Butler, they basically just took him because nobody else was left.
He was pretty much playing SG for the Suns, Dragic is a PG. As long as the PG can shoot it is fine and Paul and Dragic can both shoot.
Redick is fine though, Bledsoe was inconsistent, has been injury prone, his contract situation is up in the air and nobody really knows if Doc would have trusted him to play bigger minutes as SG.
The Bucks were never open to trading Redick for Butler as the three team trade was coming together. They realized they wanted him much later on unfortunately.
I realize its about timing that is why its all in hindsight. We could of waited and JJ walked elsewhere but would of been nice if the Bucks told us they had interest in Butler.
Found the following article on Collison. What do you think at this?
NBA Rumors: Darren Collison could opt out of contract
When Darren Collison signed with the Los Angeles Clippers this past offseason, he knew playing time would be limited. But for the chance to backup Chris Paul on a Los Angeles Clippers team that had title thoughts? It was worth the downgrade in floor time.
Little did Collison or anybody else know that Paul would miss an extended period of the season and the backup point guard would now be flushed into a starting role.
Not only was Collison given the starting nod with Paul out, but he's flourished in it, which has Jeff Caplan wondering if Collison will opt-out of his contract at season end.
Collison's deal was for two years, but includes a player opt-out clause after the first season. Given his successful play, it would see difficult to think Collison would accept a small increase next year when he could likely secure a much bigger deal.
Collison signed a two-year deal with L.A and has been a steady reserve. He is earning $1.9 million this season and holds a player option for next season with a slight raise. If he continues to play well as the Clippers' starter and then again when he returns to a reserve role, it will be interesting to see if Collison chooses to opt out, and if so, if another team attempts to make the third time the charm for the 5-foot-11 Collison as a starter.
Topics: Darren Collison, Los Angeles Clippers
That is one of the dis advantages of a player playing well..........kind of ironic.
They were only interested in Butler when they couldn't attract anyone else. Our timing was perfect.
Collison alone isn't better than Bledsoe, but Collison, JJ & Dudley at $4mil/per is way better than Bledsoe, Chauncey & Caron at $8mil/per!
Basketball positions don't really have any true meaning. It's about getting complimentary players.
A SG who can't shoot? Cool, get a PG, SF and PF who can shoot and it's no problem.
Dwayne Wade played for a good amount of time as a SG who couldn't shoot, still isn't much of a consistent outside shooter, so Miami got players like Jason Kapono (of course they could have gotten better options) at SF.
Part of why Bledsoe also works so well in Phoenix is that Channing Frye is one of the best shooting PF's in the game and then off the bench, you have the Morris brothers as two PF's who can shoot also! So he wouldn't have that same luxury here on the Clippers and wouldn't be as effective.
Still, there's no actual issue with a SG who can't shoot as long as you balance your team right. It is only a problem if someone is building a team and they have no clue about complimenting players.
The only time you throw out fit and complimenting is if the talent level of the players are so great where their ability outweighs any fit concerns. EG: Lebron James and Dwyane Wade as teammates.
Well, we sort of knew the situation going in that he was taking a pay-cut, so I can't expect we would be surprised if he opted out to get more money. Now if he opts-in to make less again, that would be nice.
He can certainly get up to $4-5M somewhere else as a cheap starting PG, or if they have a big starting PG, as a high minute backup PG, and then the starting PG plays next to him at SG.
I don't know if any team has a starting PG big enough where they would want to do that though.
Collison really throws the term "blessed" around loosely, doesn't he.
I like DC but hands down Bledsoe is by far the better player.
Here are players the Clippers should have tried to keep
Zach Randolf
Eric Gordon
Nick Young
Reggie Evans
Eric Bledsoe
I believe if we had these players with the current squad we would be even much better
We would not be much better with Eric Gordon. Please....
As for Bledsoe, remember he costs much MUCH more than Collison, with similar production. I think people forget, we're paying Collison Darren $1.9 million. Bledsoe is going to demand a very VERY high contract. Even if Collison opts out, take whatever he will get, and double or triple it for Bledsoe's contract.


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I just can't get enough of the South Downs at the moment, and although the weather was a little disappointing, it turned out to be one of the most memorable days for a long time, mostly for the right reasons.
It is getting more complicated to get to the start and get back from the end of these walks, but getting to the start provided the first surprise of the day, our train was held up because of a steam train! I knew there was a steam tour passing through Sussex today, but didn't think I would actually see it. Not that I could actually see much, but it was unquestionably a steam train, a rare sight on the mainline this day and age.
After the train came a bus ride to Cocking Hill Car Park, and almost straight away a walk up Cocking Down. Halfway up the hill is a rather large chalk boulder (pictured below). Like a giant marble, it is begging to be pushed down the hill, but I guess it is probably fixed in some way (or too heavy to be moved). According to my guide book it a work by sculptor Andy Goldsworthy and is part of the Chalk Stone Trail.
Up on the top of the Downs the views are quite spectacular, unfortunately because of the combination of poor light and haze my photos don't do them justice. To the south Portsmouth with it's Spinnaker Tower was clearly visible, with the Solent and Isle of Wight beyond that.
Closer to the path the next point of interest was a cemetery, but not the sort of cemetery I am used to, there were no headstones at this cemetery. The Devil's Jumps (part of which is pictured below) are described on the information board as being "the best example of a Bronze Age (2000BC – 800BC) barrow cemetery on the South Downs". The Downs are dotted with smaller barrows and tumuli but these certainly take some beating.
Not far from the Devil's Jumps is a much newer memorial, a nice flint built memorial to Hauptmann Joseph Oestermann, a German pilot. It seems rather unusual that a German pilot should be remembered in such a way, and the story is certainly worthy of further research, such as who actually put it there?
The path continued in a north-westerly direction, before turning westwards near Mount Sinai and climbing up Pen Hill, there once again the were some spectacular views, this time mainly to the north-east. Dropping down from Pen Hill, you are confronted by the bulk of Beacon Hill. The South Downs Way actually goes around the side of Beacon Hill, but I took a quick detour up to the top to visit the trig point and admire the views.
As you can see from the pictures, there was plenty of cloud about. There were larger gaps in the cloud which allowed the sun to briefly spotlight certain favoured parts of the landscape. For most of the walk though it was still pretty warm, despite the lack of sunshine.
The biggest surprise of the day came after retracing my steps down Beacon Hill and walking around it to the other side. I was just beginning the climb up from Bramshott Bottom to Harting Downs when I heard the sound of a plane, or was it a helicopter? It certainly didn't sound right, not a normal light aircraft, something bigger perhaps? Suddenly a big black shape appeared above the trees, no wonder it didn't sound right, it took me a few seconds to realise it was a Lancaster bomber, passing a couple of hundred feet above my head!
I quickly pulled my camera out, but only managed to catch it disappearing to the east. There is only one Lancaster bomber flying in this country, with the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight, but what was it doing over the South Downs?
After the physical and emotional high points the rest of the walk became rather disappointing, heading west from Harting Down the path entered a thin strip of woodland and the temperature seemed to drop dramatically, and I was glad to get out into the brief spells of sunshine again.
The path westward from Harting was quite a challenge, not so much physically, but mentally. I had been going for nearly four hours without a break, I was starting to get hungry, my legs were beginning to ache, but worst of all the South Downs Way was becoming boring.
There were no real views to speak of, the path was pretty flat and mostly farm tracks and roads. Worst of all it seemed to go on for miles, although in truth it was only a couple of miles. Then came the county boundary, leaving West Sussex and entering Hampshire, this should have been an occasion worth celebrating, but there was no sign marking the border and it wasn't easy to tell I had crossed it. The only noticeable indicator was a slight change in the style of signposts.
It was a real struggle to keep going, I needed to find somewhere to sit down and have a bite to eat, ideally somewhere in the sun, preferably with a view and a bench, and definitely soon. But there wasn't anywhere, finally as I came to a bend in the road, I seized the opportunity. There was a length of wood acting as a step up to a footpath, that would have to do for a seat.
It wasn't much of a picnic spot, but I set off after only ten or fifteen minutes rest with spring in my step. I had looked at the map, there were only about four miles to go, the end was almost in sight. Suddenly I heard bells, they were loud and clear, I thought for a moment it was a mobile phone ringtone, but no it was definitely church bells, presumably carried up on the wind from Buriton Church.
It didn't take long to finish of the last four miles. The last two were through the Queen Elizabeth Country Park, with nice wide paths and lots of signposts. In the end it took me about five hours to walk the fourteen miles and was glad to finally sit down in the bus shelter, by the side of another busy road as usual.
Getting home wasn't easy: bus to Petersfield, train to Havant, train to Horsham and finally a bus home. Although I didn't have to wait long at each change of transport, it still took me about two and a half hours to get home, but at least I was sitting down all the way.
So now I am in Hampshire, with only two sections to go until Winchester, the signpost at the country park said 23 miles to Winchester. The next section is going to be interesting, it should finish in Exton, Hampshire the home of some of my MITCHELL ancestors. I am really looking forward to having a look around the village and at the church where some of them were baptised and buried. The problem is that I still haven't worked out how I am going to get home from there.


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Visitors are not required to produce a high-altitude medical certificate but are required to sign a Medical Disclaimer. Please also see the Emergency Procedures for Cerro Pachon and information on Emergency Procedures for SBF.
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You are strongly encouraged to arrive in La Serena in time to spend at least half a day in the office meeting with your Gemini Contact Scientist or another science staff member. Upon your arrival, please see Lucia Medina for operations orientation. If requested, office keys will be issued, and office space in our visitor's office building 1st floor office 101.
Gemini does not provide a vehicle for observers, but will provide schedule transportation between La Serena and the summit of Cerro Pachon. An 11 seater minibus offers two return journeys form La Serena to Cerro Pachon - via Cerro Tololo - each day Monday to Sunday including holidays. Summer/Winter Timetables are as follows:
Chilean Summer
|Leaving La Serena
|Leaving Cerro Pachon
Chilean Winter
|Leaving La Serena
|Leaving Cerro Pachon
Saturday Carryall
|Leaving La Serena
|Leaving Cerro Pachon
Single Run on Sunday
|Leaving La Serena
|Leaving Cerro Pachon
The journey between La Serena and the telescope takes 2 hours, 15 minutes with a stop at Cerro Tololo if passengers have signed off for a ride to Tololo.
Note that for the purpose of this timetable, "Chilean Summer" is when Daylight Saving applies in Chile, which varies annually and should be checked on the Internet for agreed changes. "Chilean winter" relates to the dates outside this period.
Classical visitors, NGO observers, or any non-Gemini staff staying at the summit on official business, are allowed to drive Gemini vehicles between the Cerro Pachon hotel and the summit (the hotel and the telescope), provided they are in possession of a valid driver's license. Visitors should note that Gemini has a very proactive driving safety policy, including regular vehicle monitoring via GPS and that this specific limit on the use of the vehicles must be respected in all normal operating circumstances, due to the possible serious injuries or death that could result form the rule not being followed. Since there are two cars available at the summit, this arrangement allows the visitors to keep a different schedule from the night crew without impacting operations or obliging night staff to "chauffeur" visitors without reason. Remember that keys should be left in the car parked at the CP hotel.
Please read and be aware of the following precautions:
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2. Drivers must as always drive conservatively, with precaution, especially if they are unfamiliar with the road. Follow posted speed limits and be aware of extra precaution required at night or in poor weather. Visitors should also be aware that there are often animals on or near the road.
3. Visitors are allowed to drive between the hotel and the summit only. Visitors are NOT permitted to drive Gemini vehicles below the CP hotel, towards El Quisco, Tololo, or La Serena.
4. When driving between the hotel and summit, the driver must follow the normal procedures with regard to radio notification. The SOSs should brief the visitors on the correct procedure. If traveling during "radio-quiet" hours (during the night), the driver must alert the night-time SOS. Leaving from the hotel to the telescope, they should call ahead to the SOS before they leave; leaving the telescope to the dorm, they must call the SOS upon arrival. The SOS is responsible to contact the paramedic if the driver does not arrive in a timely manner.
5. The night-time SOS, as safety officer, has full discretion regarding visitors driving on the road at night. If circumstances are such that the SOS does not feel it is safe for the visitor to drive (due to bad weather, or if the SOS feels the visitor is too tired, for example), the SOS can insist that the visitor not drive themselves down from the telescope. In this case, the visitor has to wait for a ride from the night staff.
6. Drivers are asked to use their parking lights only (no headlights) for the last ~1 km when arriving to or leaving the telescope during the night, to avoid contamination of observations that may be taking place (from Gemini or SOAR).
It is accepted that the specific demands of instrument commissioning teams - including schedules that may not coincide with those of our staff nor of shared transport to and from the mountain - may produce a need to have independent access to a vehicle for mountain use. In such cases, the leader of the visiting group should include a request for this to be arranged well in advance of the visit; at the time they submit the Visitor Support Preparation Form.
The provision of an independent vehicle for a visitor's stay on Cerro Pachon will be subject to: the user's commitment to observe Gemini's driving safety policies and all related procedures; the approval of the Head of Science Operations, Gemini South: the AFG's confirmation of vehicle availability and conformity with the planned arrangements. If approved, unless notified otherwise, 4x4 vehicles with airbags will be hired for the team's use at a cost of Clp$49.654 per day [2016]. Road orientation/mountain driver training [of half a day to 1 day, depending on previous experience] will also be provided for those drivers of the group who may drive on the mountain. This training will need to be planned as the group's first activity on the mountain after arrival; part of the orientation/training will take place on the drive up the mountain. As an introduction to the driving conditions and requirements on Cerro Pachon, visitors should study the Cerro Pachon Safe Driving Video * shortly before their arrival in La Serena."
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A circular contrail visible from Durango turned heads skyward early Friday afternoon.
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South Aiken faced a crucial situation in its season opener against Richland Northeast on Friday.
After taking a two-score lead into the half, the T-Breds watched that lead dwindle down to just two points after a blocked punt and a fumble to start the third quarter.
The home team had a counter punch, though. Senior running back Damien Brown took a kickoff back 85 yards to set up a Bo Baldwin 2-yard quarterback sneak for a touchdown, and the T-Breds rumbled on to a 40-12 victory.
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Brown played an important role in that. He helped give the T-Breds their halftime lead with a 69-yard touchdown run in the first quarter, but it was his big kickoff return that turned the tide back in South Aiken's favor for good. He had gotten his hands on the football after a failed exchange on the T-Breds' fumble in the third, and the next time the senior touched the ball was on the key return.
"It feels great to try to recover from mistakes ... shake it off, move forward and just keep your head focused," Brown said. "I had it in my head – big plays, get the momentum built up."
Brown finished the night with 98 yards and a score on six carries in the running game. Fellow senior running back Adam Allen had 64 yards and two scores on 10 carries and also caught a screen pass and took it 52 yards for a touchdown to start the game's scoring.
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Jeremy Timmerman has a journalism degree from Mercer University and has been at the Aiken Standard since June 2010.
First Quarter
SA–Bo Baldwin 52 pass to Adam Allen (Owen Myers kick) 7:23.
SA–Damien Brown 69 run (Myers kick) 1:22.
Third Quarter
RNE–Simeon Kelly 1 run (Conversion failed) 6:13.
RNE–Jaquari Blunt 2 run (Conversion failed) 4:24.
SA–Baldwin 2 run (Kick failed) 4:08.
SA–Allen 10 run (Myers kick) 2:12.
Fourth Quarter
SA–Baldwin 29 pass to Jordan Scott (kick failed) 11:40.
SA–Allen 22 run (Myers kick) 6:19.
RNE–Blunt 15-57-1TD, Kelly 18-24-1TD, Malik Scott 1-(-3), Tavar Stafford 2-2, Quinnton Burrell 2-3, Barry Moorer 2-17. Totals 40-100-2TD.
SA–Baldwin 5-38-1TD, Allen 10-64-2TD, Brown 6-98-1TD, Matt Albertson 2-(-3), Rod Wise 3-11. Totals 26-208-4TD.
RNE–Kelly 1-8-6-0TD-0INT.
SA–Baldwin 4-10-97-2TD-0INT.
RNE–Blunt 1-6.
SA–Allen 2-53-1TD, Skyler Lightbody 1-15, Scott 1-29-1TD.
Photo gallery: Strom Thurmond vs. Richland Northeast
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Staff photo by Jeremy Timmerman South Aiken's Damien Brown (6) breaks away from Richland Northeast's Charles Hargrove (33) and Kenneth Furtick (25).×
Staff photo by Jeremy Timmerman South Aiken's Adam Allen (8) and Rod Wise (4) put the brakes on Richland Northeast's Jaquari Blunt (21).×
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doesn't make sense... millsap is a free agent in the offseason. why would we trade bledsoe for someone who obviously wont get more minutes then griffin because he will play behind him and is going to declare for a lot of money. plus, there is a good chance he might even walk away at the end of the year. dont get me wrong millsap is a beast but i'd prefer to get something else like granger.
This idea is so dumb that it has to be a leverage play with Boston, either trying to get them to throw in Pierce or reduce their asking price for KG. That's the only explanation.
It's a dumb trade UNLESS we get Alec Burks or Hayward+Millsap for Bledsoe+Odom. Both Odom and Millsap expire this year and I doubt Millsap would return (giving us 10 mill in cap space) so it basically becomes Bledsoe for Burks/Hayward which I've supported for a while.
the clips are like the kid with a bunch of toys that still isnt satisfied.
are you sure that trade adds up salary wise? Or were you planning on throwing green/hollins as well? that's a pretty good trade though I must say.
Not satisfied because the clips can't win a title as currently constructed.
From what I've been reading, it's. VDN that wants to make a move. DTS likes the team we have.
I think we'd want someone like hayward thrown in too, that would be the real prize of the deal
but is it really the Clips with all this talk,,or is it the media creating it? Or other team creating it hoping we fall for it.
If Clippers trade EB they must get a rookie or a draft pick for him, you have to think about your future and you need cheap rookie contracts and potential stars coming through your ranks. To me its no use having CP and BG if all you can put around them is old and slow players. you have to have rookie players hell if you play it right you can strike gold with them. If you deal with Utah if Hayward name or a 1st round pick isn't mentioned i would say call me when you really want EB.
It's all just talk. I can't see us moving Bledsoe for anybody other than KG
Man it would be awesome seeing Gordan Hayward running with Blake, Hayward plays D also.
Looking at most teams I can't really see where would Bledsoe get a starting job. Most solid teams are well stocked at the PG and those who are not are not really contending for anything.
Hmmm...I don't get it either. I'm not saying Bledsoe isn't worth trading for someone we "need"...but a PF???
Nah. Our chemistry is too good right now to do a trade like THIS. The Rudy Gay and KG rumors made more sense than this.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it..and all that. Somebody mentioned DJ being a liability down the stretch, but I'm fine with putting in Hollins or Odom down the stretch, so no worries there. I would only trade a Bledsoe or a DJ for an offer we simply CANNOT refuse. And I'm not sure there's anything like that out there.
The team we have right now can WIN IT ALL!
lol hollins down the stetch. the guy averaging 7.4 fouls per 36 min. that'll take us far
We sure needed him in that last Orlando game. Oh, and he actually hits free throws.
We sure needed him in that last Orlando game. Oh, and he actually hits free throws.
that's your example? How he played against a near d league team?
Anyone wanna bet that a trade is already done and they wanna wait til after the All-Star game to announce it?
That is my example. It's why Vinny has played him more. And he's performed admirably. The point is if we need to take DJ out down the stretch due to his FT woes, we can. We have options. Options we didn't have last year with Reggie and Kenyon.
you are way overrating ryan hollins, i'm sorry.
Hollins is being put in to foul. Sorta like Mahinimi in Dallas. Hllins isn't a great NBA player nor is he a good NBA player. Point he was making was that Hollins actually hits more of his free throws than DJ. And although he has a small role, he plays it nicely.
i hope this trade isnt made either. its stupid to break up the chemistry, at this point. plus ebled should not be dealt til we are sure cp3 resigns with us. i dont want the elton brand saga to happen again.
Just a rumor or our FO is trying to put some pressure on the Celtics to convince KG to waive his clause.Also could a 3 team trade.Sources don't always get the entire deal correct,so they could have heard that these two teams are in talks but a 3rd team could be brought in to take on Milsap's contract.But until Friday expect a lot of rumors.I don't want to get rid of Bledsoe at all but I know it's something that will have to happen,so if we can get a good deal that improves our team than I am all for it but Milsap doesn't fit this team so I don't think this is a serious trade.
If this is true than I'd rather just add DJ to this deal & being back Gordon Hayward & play him at the 2.
Gordon Hayward/Crawford
Caron/Matt Barnes/Grant
I'll take it.
Maybe the Jazz proposed something that we will accept but we are waiting to see if we can possibly get something better.
I do think in general all trade announcements will wait till tomorrow but I doubt WE have traded anybody yet.
He is a very, very, very good defender.
Uh no. Millsap is actually an average at best defender, slightly below average more realistically.
He was top 5 in steals last year.
The only thing that we should be looking at from Utah is Hayward.
you guys are outta your tree if you think Hayward can play even a smidgin' of D against LeBron or Durant, and.... if I recall correctly, Trey Thompkins was drafted near the same slot that Milsap was, and albeit he has a different game, think he'll be a more than adequate backup to Blake if and when he gets his game up to speed.... also becoming more and more wary of VDN's job status becoming a factor in deals being rumored....
I don't get why the Clippers would consider trading Bledsoe for Millsap. Millsap is a power forward and we have a pretty decent one on our team already. If he was able to move over to SF, the Jazz would be able to start Favors at PF, but he's not so they are forced to start ultra bust Marvin Williams instead.
Hayward doesn't need to guard LBJ or Durant. Its not like we can't make adjustments. Billups isn't going to be healthy all the time.
So is Josh Smith a PF which you suggested we trade for. Much rather have Milsap, better production especially for the $.
Josh Smith currently starts at SF for the Hawks and can drain 3 point shots. He's an inside outside player with a lot of versatility. I see Millsap as a pure power forward who plays a low post game. Unless we move Blake to SF, I don't see it working out too well.
10% of his mins have been at sf, which is not his strongest position.
Check out these numbers from Smith last week. Notice the 4-5 from 3pt:
Having a good year at the 3pt doesn't make him a good 3pt shooter and his not a sf:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hjo03.html
I don't know how they determine that percentage after the game has started and the coaches are going with big and small lineups. When VDN has CP3, Billups, Bledsoe, and Crawford in the game, who do they determine is the PG, SG, SF, etc... In reality, they are playing a 4 guard set so there is no SF or PF in this case. The reality is that Smith can stretch the defense with his outside game and grab boards as well. Of course he's going to want max next year so I don't know if it would all fit financially anyway.
And Milsap better player than Smith:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... spa01.html
So are you suggesting we move Griffin to SF? I know his 20 footer is improving, but I'm not sure that it's going to work out.
No, just comparing him to Smith. Wouldn't trade for either.
He is a very, very, very good defender.
He just doesn't have the quickness to stay in front of true-3's in the league. Millsap is a true-4 (albeit undersized) and has big man skills and mentality. Blake has a better chance at the 3 but that would just put us at a disadvantage if we play BG in that slot.
id rather have granger than millsap to be honest. at least granger is a proven 3 point shooter and a legit 3. and if we are to acquire anyone from utah, id rather have hayward.
Is it possible they're thinking about shifting BG to the center position should they get Milsap?
He just doesn't have the quickness to stay in front of true-3's in the league. Millsap is a true-4 (albeit undersized) and has big man skills and mentality. Blake has a better chance at the 3 but that would just put us at a disadvantage if we play BG in that slot.
Alright, but he definitely plays with great hustle and is great at guarding players at the 4.
Alright, but he definitely plays with great hustle and is great at guarding players at the 4.
I agree. I haven't watched him enough to know if he's a great defender but if he is top 5 in steals like you claim then yea. But he sure does hustle though. I just want a legit, halfway decent 5 who actually has some semblance of positional fundamentals and isn't paid a premium... Is that too much to ask for?
It makes no sense trying to trade DJ or Bledsoe. Before Chris Paul got traded, he said that he wanted to make sure that they keep DJ. DJ is also one of Blake Griffin's best friends, so why would you just trade him after he just committed to your team for 5 years. Also, if they were to trade EB and Chauncey or CP3 got hurt they would have no backup PG. EB is an elite defender and when Chauncey retires, I think he could move over to the 2 and play alongside CP3.
No need to worry, we're not getting Milsap...silly rumor.


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Thank you.
Thanks Eric.
still catching up.
hello all from Edmonton, Alberta
Good presentation.
One article that fills in some of the blanks and amplifies this presentation can be found at:
Does anyone else have a favorite article to share on the subject
jUST CATCHING UP
Good information, see you tommorrow.
Hello all
Catching up
thanks Eric
Great info. Thank you, see you tomorrow.
great info
Thanks Eric. Yes I am planning to use USB storage on a Embedded system.
Thanks Eric
Thank you. See you tormorrow
and yes, the file size in directory entries for files is needed because although we have a fixed amount of storage space allocated, the actual file will probably be smaller and hence we need to know where it actually ends.
Thanks everyone for attending, I hope to see you again tommorow for the lecture titled "Balancing Performance, Safety and Resource Usage in an Embedded System".
THanks Eric
Thank you for today's presentation Eric
Did not realize that there was a patent on FAT.
gbegin: the correct way of handling that would be to ignore the directory entries and eventually free them for further use.
gbegin: it's actually not CRC, but a checksum of the DOS (8.3) filename, so that it can make sure that the LFN directory entry really goes with a specific normal directory entry.
gbegin: not sure, I'd like to check before I say anything wrong, but I think the LFN entries should be ignored in that case.
Atlant: they're using some workarounds that they claim does not infringe Microsoft's patents. Microsoft did go after linux-based products (TomTom), however.
Does anyone know: With Linux, who's paying Microsoft their $0.25/copy for the use of their patent on LFNs?
Altant: yes, NAND flashes have a spare area that can (and must...) be used for Error Correction Codes (ECC). Without those, you can expect your file system to become corrupted really fast. HDDS also have OOB storage for ECC, but that's all hidden by the controller.
bitbanger: Most Flash memories have extra "Out-of-Band" data storage for the necessary CRCs/ECCs.
The low level disk interfaces save track/sector and crc for each sector as part of the magnetic patterns, historically. So for data integrity, something like that would need to wrap the data when saved to EEPROM or Flash.
Alaskaman66: there are no CRCs for data in FAT, only for LFN file names.
Alaskaman66: Yes, any checksums that you (as a user/programmer) write are just ordinary data to the FAT32 filesystem.
jcabacas: well it`s similar to FAT, but has significant differences which means that a FAT compatible system will not be able to read an exFAT volume.
@Eric. Well, how likely is it for SD cards to move to exFat then? (Or do I need to plan on re-writting the FAT32 embedded code I'm just getting ready to release!
If your data is using something like CRC for accuracy, is this seperate from all the file system checks?
is exFAT compatible with any previous version of FAT filesystems ?
In our case, *CERTAIN MODELS* of USB sticks were indicating that they had finished writing before they actually had, so the power-cut that followed was causing the last several writes to not actually get committed to the Flash media inside the USB stick. This led to corrupted FAT32 file systems.
Speaking of file corruption, I see that there is a checksum in the LFN field. I would like to know:
* what is protected (covered) by the checksum
* what happens if it fails
Yes, we have had data once in about 1 year. Using a 2GB SD card & running the ChanFAT FS. We are not sure what caused it
Thank you
Good Session.
First time I'm studying File systems.... A lot to learn.Thanks Eric
Or did you miss speak and its the 4G shown on your slide for Fat 32, without using extended Fat? ALso, is exFat backwards compatible with fat32?
Yes, data corruption on embedded system, USB thumb
You said file size was limited to 2G on Fat 32, its 4G due to the 32 bit variable for file size isn't it?
Good job Rick!
Thanks Eric. I learnt more from this ;ecture.
Do you recommend any particular File system for low power embedded design ?
Thank you Eric!
thank you Eric
Have had data corruption on power down. Fixed by using an EEPROM with power down protection.
Thanks Eric, Lauren, & Digi-Key
Thanks, Eric!
no corruption
Intermediate writes to FRAM or NVRAM in case of power failure
No, I have not done yet
Thanks Eric!!
Thank you Eric. Very interesting
No Experience.
Thank you Eirc and Lauren.
Thank you for the lecture.
Thanks a lot
no curruption for any of the embedded FAT stuff I have done
Thanks again Eric.
No data corruption yet.
FS. Where and what?
No data corruption problem; Thanks Eric & Lauren
Thank you Eric
Yes. I have a version of CHKDSK with auto correction that runs on our embedded system.
Have not worked with embedded systems, yet.
No issue
Not as of yet, but just getting started with embedded filesystems.
NA I have not done any FS in embeded
Not ran into any data corruption on the embedded fat systems I've done to date.
no data corruption issue so far
Never experienced data corruption
Yes, data corruptions on USB sticks.
Thank you for showing the slide number
we are on slide # 26
slide 25
we are on slide # 25
@bartholemew: slide 24 - chewing the FAT
we are on slide # 24
we are on slide # 22
naval: How long do you like your filenames to be? ;-)
What is the typical need for LFN?
we are on slide # 20
not sure
The order of the file name segments in LFN entries is not as expected. The last segment is in first directory entry used by the file name.
@Atlant: makes sense
Alaskaman66: No, just one cluster-size per FAT32 volume.
we are on slide # 18
answer to file size why needed is that the bytes in a file may not be the same as the bytes available in a sector so an exact file size would be needed.
Can you have more than one cluster size in a file system?
we are on slide # 16
Efficency when listing directory contents
clusters may not be entirely full
It let's you know the file size without actually reading the file.
Since file size is not necessarily an integral number of clusters, an expl;icit file size is needed
File size needed in case of file corruption.
You need file size so you can allocate memory in system memory to store the file when reading it.
two checks to check in the event there is an error
the file may not fill the last cluster...
Size of File is required because File sizes will not necessarily be multiple of power of 2.
If EOC corrupted, file size is backup
file size not guaranteed to be an integral number of clusters
CPM used an EOF character (CTRL-Z ?) to mark end of text. MSDOS FAT has a byte count to allow file granularity of byte.
Full clusters aren't always used.
I dont know
double-checking like parity code?
The file may not fill the last cluster.
bitbanger55 The slide presentations for the Wednesday through Friday courses have been fixed. Thank you so much for bringing that to our attention.
we are on slide # 14
we are on slide # 12
I had no problems with sound yesterday. Today it brakes very often
we are on slide # 10
we are on slide # 8
I guess I'll catch it in the archives!
No audio problems on firefox (behind a corp firewall)
@srdmahesh are you behind a firewall? BlogTalkRadio may be blocked
Also, try Firefox or Google Chrome is you're having trouble using IE.
we are on slide # 7
No audio.
Audio is pefect.
Right above Eric avatar at the top of the Classroom page,click on the sidebar
loosing audio periodically
audio is great, just try refreshing and hit play button on left hand side
Hello from Toronto!
I am not able to see the audio play button
loosing audio
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Slide 4
Look like some of us don't have any audio connection...
Yes, and we are on slide # 3
have we started yet?
Audio is good
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I hear that IRON is Information Radio Online Network
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Good morning, everyone... Sunny day here in Chihuahua Mexico... No wind, no cold... Nice weather today =)...
@levitonDave LOL Speak for yourself :) We've had some where we live in Gresham. But I agree, nothing like what's going on in the midwest and back east.
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good morning
The downloads for Wed-Fri have mis-coded links. I was able to hand edit the URL to match today's version style/base . Then they downloaded and converted fine.
Greetings from Vermont - @bartholemew - good one - Isn't that also known as a corrupted directory?
Good Morning from CLOUDY Boston!
Howdy folks!!! :)
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Here's hoping everyone survives the impending snow storm in the midwest and coast.
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Be sure to click 'Today's Slide Deck' under Special Educational Materials above right to download the PowerPoint for today's session.
hello you guys,
Good morning from Milwaukee!
Good Morning from GA
Looking forward to chewing the FAT. ;)
The slides are super as usual
Me 2!
Slide Deck Downloaded... Just waiting for tomorrow's session =)...
Yeah, FAT is old but venerable.


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Thank you
Thank you.
another bit lesson learned about sensor, great and excellent presentation sir randy. hoping another class session from your end with respect to instrumentation and controls...
thanks again and now, i am going to day 5 presentation of last day class of sir randy...thanks also to DIGIKEY and DESIGN NEWS...
with al the lesson gathered from your prresentation, giving me to familiar all those devices used...i am now on slide 20...nearing to the end of the presentation...
i am now on slide 18, great presentation sir randy...
i am now on slide 14 of the presentation...
i am now in slide 3 of this lesson...
i am in the field of building services engineering by profession in electro-mechanical engineering...
i just took my dinner and now go back again with the lesson of day 4 class...
just downloaded the slides presentation and gonna start with the lesson sir...
good evening sir randy, here i am again for another day 4 class of the week...
Thank you Randy!
@Chuck - i2c, spi
@Chuck - both EE and SE
Great to have access to the recorded sessions!
Missed the live lecture
Taking the class offline
Randy - thank you
still catching up
Looks like I better spend some time on the Digi-Key web site this weekend. Nice to see the devices you show and the range of products that are here today. Glad for TI WeBench and DeV Kits!
thank you Randy,
Viewed semina
Thanks Randy
I'm using 10 bit AD and would like more
Dont forget digital output types
Primarily I'm a software engineer but with a BS in mechanical and another one in electrical engineering
Looking forward to another informative lecture
Picking up Day 4
Hardware engineer
Senser Transitioning period
Thank you Randy, very good session
That's going to do it for today. Until tomorrow, thanks for attending.
Thanks. Since I saw someboady add it.
Hi Randy,
My question is if I add a PI filter into analog signal channel between outbut buffer and ADC input for noise filter. It's a normally way, I am right?
Good presentation, thanks
For someone who is new in this field, how can she/he discerne which features (in a datasheet) are essential and which are for gaining additional performance?
What about the TI web bench -- is the conditioning not part of that system?
For someone who is new in this field, how can she/he discerne which features (in a datasheet) are essential and which are for gaining additional performance?
Do vendors have an app to guide the user in selecting the right IC for signal conditioning/conversion?
Similar problem (had to keep rehitting "play" and periodic "refresh page").
I also experienced repeted cuts of the sound. Kept pushing play button to regain audio.
Just a comment for the WEB moderators - The audio on my computer keeps cutting out. The player button keeps acting like the "Pause" button was pushed. I can sometimes get it going just by hitting the "play" button on the audio control bar, but today was unusually bad. I only got through about half of the slides.
I did try refreshing the screen several times but nothing seems to work.
A good four days -- it has been a reminder to me about the range of sensors out there. You actually provided a solution to one long standing problem in an ore refining system we have,
Thank you guys and wonderful lecture.
Have you ever used GPS for Macro positioning?
Unfortunately, I have not.
Thanks for the presentation.
Thank you for the today presentation.
Thanks for attending, everyone.
Thanks guys... interesting parts and discussion
Than you!
Same here sometimes I have to re-type my question/comment
thank you!
Thank you Chuck & Randy
Thank you both, Randy and Chuck
Thank you Randy and Chuck.
thx Randy, and Chuck
Thanks Randy & Chuck
Thank you Chuck
thanks Randy
Many thanks!!
I had it few times in last year, I had to retype my question again
Randy, thank you for today's lecture
Thx Randy & Chuck.
Yes. Over the last few months about a dozen innocent comments got cut. Surprisingly the subversive comments went through. strange...
Conversion speed is sometimes an issue.
No I am not.
Usually there is a delay before the comment shows up, but it has always shown up eventually.
Yes at the beginning, now it seems ok
I have experienced that at times.
Not here
Not here.
Is anyone having trouble with making comments?
Oh, yes, we are definitely moderating comments.
Disappearing comments here too...
depends on the app.
Chuck I notice sometimes when I post comments they disappear.
Is someone moderating these comment submissions ?
can I plug in a PI fillter between the analog output pin and ADC input for decreaseing noise?
Depends on the application, but 16-bit can be sufficient.
16 bit is enough
we needed at least 1mV resolution on quantum sensors (with 0-400mV range) so 12Bit is about enough, but 14Bit would be much much better.
12-16 bits, depending on application and customer needs.
10 bit is enough for most of my designs but I needed a 20 bit in a past project.
Have used 24 bit but 16 bit is usually enough.
There are tradeoffs. It would depend on your app.
Always need more... but for current work 16 will work fine.
16 bits is usually more than we need.
mostly 16-bit is enough for our current applications
I am OK with 10 to 14-bit resolution. We use 14-bit most of the time
12-14 bits is usally sufficient for the work I've done
99% of the time, 16 bits is adequate for us
yes, typically only use 12-bit
noise protection,
embedded system design
ESD, over-voltage, dv/dt limiting
ESD and overvoltage
ESD and noise filtering
filtering of noise
SOftware Hardware frimware whatever it takes
ESD protection is often useful.
digitial noise filtering
static protection, over-voltage protection
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Software and Hardware
Sherlock :Try reload page
ee and firmware
reloading works for me too.
Audio coming.
Yea I had to reload the page to for the audio to start.
CE, though I do a lot more electrical than software
Software and Hardware guy
I am EE HW & SW
Not start audio?
Good afternoon everyone
Ok had to reload the page to get audio widget to work.
No Audio
I am an EE in hardware and assembler programming
bartholemew - I had to reload the page several times for the audio to start.
Evening from CPT
EE / SW Eng
I am an EE
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I am EE
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here we go!
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Audio is up!
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EE Times University at eetimes.com to be mure correct
Check the other continuing education at eetimes.com O.K.
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I could download the Jan 24 and Jan 25 slides for this week.
I have been looking in the archives at the earlier sensors I lecture and cannot get the Jan 25th
Randy Frank lectuer from the archive as I find missing the "Slide Rule" icon to open the file.
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A grand jury last week handed down several indictments against the man accused of killing an Aiken Public Safety officer in January. The indictments for 27-year-old Joshua Tremaine Jones, of North Augusta, included failure to stop for blue lights, unlawful carrying of a pistol, larceny and possession of a weapon during a violent crime. The indictments were handed down on Nov. 29.
Jones has been charged with the Jan. 28 murder of Master Cpl. Sandy Rogers, who was responding to a resident's concerns about a suspicious vehicle in Eustis Park when Jones allegedly shot her.
"The indictments handed down by the grand jury in the case speak for themselves," Solicitor J. Strom Thurmond Jr. said when reached for comment. "We do not have any comment on the facts of this case."
Jones faces additional assault charges for two incidents inside the Aiken County detention center, where he's been jailed since the murder, according to detention center Capt. Nick Gallam.
On July 5, Jones allegedly grabbed an officer who was handing him food through a lockable flap on the door of his jail cell and pulled him, causing scrapes to the officer's arm, Gallam said.
The next day, Jones assaulted one of the deputies transporting him to his cell, then spit on the other officers who responded to the incident, Gallam said. The officers suffered minor injuries.
Jones has been charged with three counts each of assault and battery third-degree and throwing of bodily fluids by a prisoner on state corrections or local law enforcement officer, corrections employee or visitor.
"He hasn't done anything else that would be criminal," Gallam said. "Not to say that he hasn't had any in-house disciplinary issues."
On the morning of the murder, Rogers was responding to a call about a suspicious vehicle in Eustis Park when she was gunned down, authorities have said. Rogers found Jones in a 2002 blue BMW that he had reportedly stolen from his father and an altercation ensued, police said.
A minute after Rogers reported being out with the blue vehicle, another officer called for her. She did not respond, and a fellow officer on her shift called out that shots had been fired and that an officer was down, according to reports.
Officers followed the fleeing BMW and pursued the accused shooter in excess of 100 mph from the park and issued an all-points bulletin search for him and the stolen vehicle. After officers lost sight of the vehicle, a helicopter was brought in to locate it.
Around 11:30 a.m., Jones was taken into custody at his home on Youman Street in Batesburg.
Richmond County officials have a hold on Jones for his alleged role in the murder of his 21-year-old pregnant girlfriend, Cayce Vice. Her body was found around 10:30 a.m. on Jan. 28 at her apartment in Augusta. She had been shot in the head sometime before Rogers was gunned down in Eustis Park, officials said.
Jones was transported to the Department of Mental Health for about two weeks in early March for treatment, and was returned to the detention center. Jail officials could not comment on why they referred Jones to the state department or on his mental status.
Gallam said Jones has remained in the jail since. He is in a cell by himself and is allowed visitors, Gallam said.
Rogers' death came less than six weeks after the shooting death of Master Public Safety Officer Scotty Richardson. Richardson was shot on Dec. 20 following a traffic stop in Aiken and died from his injuries on Dec. 21.
Stephon M. Carter, who turned 20 on Monday, has been charged with the murder of Richardson and the attempted murder of Public Safety Officer Travis Griffin.
The Solicitor's Office recently filed notice that they will seek the death penalty for Carter.
Teddy Kulmala covers the crime beat for the Aiken Standard. He is a graduate of Clemson University and hails from Williston.


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Instead they will build stores in Emerson, Ga., and St. Johns, Fla.
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Maybe they think nobody wants them to build here. Maybe they don't like the Augusta area. If that's the case, there are lots of prime building areas in Aiken that run along Interstate 20.
I suggest that everyone write them a letter every week until they make their minds up either way. Or we could try to persuade their competition, Cabela's, to build here. The last time I checked they didn't have a store in the South. Maybe we could be their first.
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Special event items are produced by manufacturers only after the outcome of a game or event. These are advanced sale items and will ship immediately after they are received in our warehouse.
Manufacturer direct items are shipped directly from the manufacturer. These items are not available for international or expedited shipping.
Customized items can be personalized with options such as your name, your favorite number, and/or designs. Some options may be limited by league rules.