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It's bounce back time for the Clippers as they look to even the series vs the Golden State Warriors. Despite game 2 being a critical one to win, the Clippers must play focused and not try do too much individually. Execute, rebound better, and no matter what the referees do, they can still get the victory.
Yes, I believe the Clippers will come out more focused and will execute better than the first game. They're a much better team than the Warriors.
You got this, Clips!
I'd say this a must win. Just for their psyche going into Oracle. Series tied 1-1 and stealing one or two in Oracle over the over confident Warriors would be nice and then close the series at home!!!!
Cannot Wait
I agree that it is a must win game and am a bit worried about the pressure of that. But Doc should have the team mentally prepared.
Nervous time!!
The 2008 Celtics actually won the first two games @home, but they lost all of their road games in round 1 AND round 2 so had to go 7. But Doc has lost home games in a bunch of series and also won big games on the road. In the playoffs, home/road doesn't make a really big diference since the main advantage of HCA is just the fact that teams are more rested and not on the backend of a back-to-back etc. I don't buy that players are really rattled by the fans at this stage. Heck, we won game 7 in Memphis in what was probably the most hostile environment we'll ever face, and Memphis beat us a bunch of times @Staples the last two years.
For a recent example of a home team losing game 1 and winning the series, I remember CP3 and NOH beat the Lakers in 2011 and the Lakers proceeded win 2 & 3 and then the series in 6. I remember the Suns upsetting the Spurs in game 1 a few years ago (Marbury hit a game winner) and Spurs won in 6 again. I'm sure there are tons of examples, esp if you go beyond round 1. I'm really not worried because I think we are just the much better team and Blake is unlikely to play less than 35 mpg in any of the remaining games.
Not confident at all, really hoping I'm proven wrong. If CP3 starts up his Harden impression again, we can kiss the season goodbye.
If Blake plays like the no. 3 MVP candidate, Jamal plays like the 6th man of the year, and cp3 plays his A game, should be an easy win. This isn't asking for much as they've been that good most of the season.
Absolutely. If they all do their thing we should win even if the splash bro's get hot.
We need to avoid the lazy switches which usually result in easy points. we gave up several wide open threes because the second man hedged, stayed in the paint , or just failed to cover the guy he switched on. This was a problem last year in the playoffs and still is after one game. CP3 and DJ did it at key points last night. if they call a switch, don't get caught up watching or sitting in the paint. Just cover the man you're stuck with.
What adjustments we make in this game will be the key. Gotta win this one boys.
What Adjustments? Only Adjustment that needs to be made is that our Poward Forward plays more than 19 minutes
This. They just can't guard Blake. It's really not that hard to see what our strategy needs to be. It's like the threepeat Lakers where the only way to beat them was to put Shaq on the pine. Refs did that for us once, it won't happen again.
Teams, both winners and the losers make adjustments in case you didn't know.
We gotta get some production on SF spot. 1-9 isn't going to cut it.
Just foolin around Tense, don't be so tense
And our bench.
No problemo. Tense is not tense...all is good.
In general, it is surprising that doc didn't have us prepared. Aside from the first five minutes, it was a total mess.
I'm sure a big part of Doc's game plan was running the offense through Griffin. You don't count on Griff playing less minutes than he did in any game all year long. The D looked pretty good.
In fairness, you can't really prepare for the most bogus foul trouble imaginable against Blake to essentially take him out of the game. The first five minutes were before the bogus foul trouble.
I don't think last game was on the coaching, aside from Doc giving Crawford too long a leash. Our players simply choked.
second game i think we win by 12.. first game.. tie game with barnes crawford collison granger having horrible games... imagine if they just played subpar... we would of won.. so i think it was a dud game... hope I'm right..
It's the playoffs I would not be surprised if we win by like 4 or 5, remember Curry didn't have that great of a game either, Jordan did a GREAT job roughing him up on screens, he could go off as well. Just saying...
I want cP3 to play like CP3 the first game he played like Darren Colisson, over aggressive that he missed lay ups or not passing the ball in fast break. Blake look like under pressure only JJ is showing the same JJ. Blake should avoid foul trouble or else we will down 0-2
But we lose our first game in regular season to our sister team Lakers, so hopefully game one lose in PO is just a wake up call.
must win
Hopefully the usual 7:30 game time will get everyone back in their flow.
Definitely a must win for us. It's over if we go down 0-2 with 2 losses at home in a row. Blake will be smarter, Jamal can't get worse, our bench will shoot better, and cp3 won't turnover the ball as much. We got this!
The Clippers need to play hard and focused but remain loose and relaxed. They seem nervous and tight in Game 1. Getting a win would have been nice to ease their tension, but I hope they don't come out nervous again tomorrow.
hope someone had a word to jamal, he needs to treat each offensive possession with more respect, i don't mind him shooting the ball but when its a difficult shot with a defender on him its a bad shot whether it goes in or not
On the bright side...
I know we're down about the loss. We have high expectations for this season-- I think we can win it all! -- and losing the first playoff game sucks. Losing to these jerkoffs is even worse! But remember, we lost the very first game of the regular season to even bigger jerkoffs and it turned out OK!
I wanted to put things in some perspective. FIVE of the eight playoff teams failed to defend home court in their first game. Of these, I think we're in the best position because we're the only team that had a real excuse: having our main gun sit for most of the game. I mean, would you really want to switch places with the Pacers (who are imploding), Bulls (no offense), Rockets (no excuse), or Raptors (no one cares)?
We are going to win game 2 convincingly and I hope this changes the mood from game 1. Of all of the first game upsets, we are the one that has to adjust least because, barring a fix by the Adam Silver mob, Griffin will play and he'll play big. GSW showed me nothing that scared me at all. Well, maybe they ran decent pick & roll with Lee, but with Griffin in there that won't be as available because Lee will be worn out from trying to play his brand of defense (which is a lot of floor burns). Clippers by 25.
If Blake just stays in the game, we'll win. I couldn't believe some of the BS fouls called on him. I would have Blake guard O'neal to avoid getting in foul trouble again.
Geez if we do somehow lose this game, I can't even imagine how unbearable JQuick32 will be. Please for the love of God don't subject us to that...
This is why you have a top tier coach who has won a chip. If my memory is correct, Doc lost the first game to the Lakers in the year Boston won and still won. He makes the right adjustments, he has been here before. (Edit: I think Doc was down something like 24 points and still won a very critical game in that Finals series. In either event, he is not one to panic and that is what is needed in playoff basketball. The coach in the post season, as opposed to the regular season, is EXTREMELY critical to success.)
Now if the refs take out Chris Paul with three quick fouls, then I know it is fixed and anything I say is irrelevant. But in an honest game, the Clippers will beat the Warriors seven or eight out of ten.
Too bad I don't have a bookie and am too lazy to drive to Vegas because I would bet on the Clippers to win this series and could get some good odds.
Clippers in six. I still stand by that.
You really think clippers will game 3 or 4 on road and then close out on road? Interesting and you could def get favorable odds on that. Hope it happens!
I was sad that i wasn't able to watch the game, and so disappointed by losing the game. On the other hand I like how Doc and CP3 handled the loss given how competitive they are, its like were saying " This would be the first and last win they would get against us in this playoff"....
Look I'm a long time clipper fan 26+ years ,but I'm realistic ,it's not who wins gm 1 it's who wins the first 4 of 7 who wins the series !! Just remember last yrs playoffs !!!! This series will be a dog fight !! Go clippers show your heart , it's time !!
Warriors just don't have enough firepower to compete with the
Like many have said here when you need the refs to steal the game at
the end and we didn't even use 50% of our firepower IE Blake, Crawford,
Collison, Granger/Barnes.
The warriors are a cake walk. Don't forget last game was a blow-out
before the Refs started all that fouling bullshit. They had no answer
for Blake whatsoever.
I wouldn't be surprised 4 straight at this point.
I admire your confidence and really hope you are right but a cake walk I don't think. Yes we have more fire power particularly with Bogut out, but if the splash bro's start to splash we will need to play at the top of our game.
Well, I agree that the Dubs don't match up well with the Clips without Bogut. And the Clips should win in about six games. But as far as the officiating goes, please take the pacifier out of your mouth while you type and don't dribble on the keyboard.
The one thing the Dubs have going for them, in spite of the loss of Bogut, is karma. Something about the jackassery of the Clips bites them in the @$$ when they play the Warriors. Could happen in this series.
You would be in meltdown mode if Curry was limited to just 19 minutes due to bogus foul trouble at home, and you know it.
Aren't the Warriors supposed to be better without Bogut? That was the spin from Oakland when he got injured, so you can't use it as an excuse now.
If karma existed, your classless cheater coach and bitchmade cheapshotting players would never win a game.
Well, I think cup of water that Griffin tossed at the fan was classless. But more childish than classless. And the fact that he says it was an accident speaks even less favorably about him. Its the little things like that that get the karma bus rolling.
It will NOT be the same officiating crew for tonight's game. I thought that sounded dodgy when I first heard it reported here. It increases the chances of impropriety over the course of a whole series by orders of magnitude.
Tonight's crew: Tony Brothers, David Guthrie, Rodney Mott.
However, the exact same crew from our game 1 is officiating tonight's OKC/MEM game, so it does appear that the league is keeping crews together... at least throughout each round. I'm hoping we don't see that bunch again, or at least that they have the decency to feel guilty about what happened and actually let us play next time.
Even with "Bogus" the warriors are no match for anyone in the top 4 seeding
IMO. Curry Chicken and Clay Thompson rarely "go off" in the same game.
Warriors are choke artists who hide behind cheap plays, and school yard
tactics to squeeze by games. Fortunately that won't cut it in the playoffs
where you actually need talent.
So a cheap shot elbow to the throat by Green doesn't
warrant bad karma?
What about Bogus instigating Blake to get him tossed out?
What about Mark Jack@ss drawing up cheap strategies like that
instead of winning a game by basketball plays?
What about Jermaine Oneal Chasing down blake letting him know
how much of a "Beast he is in these streets".
Oh I get it. Karma only works "For" the warriors.
Laughing my @$$ off and slapping my knee.
The fan said he also thought it was an accident. The only people making a big deal over it are Warriors "fans" and Clipper haters.
Classless is using a player on the opposing team as a mole to cheat your way through a playoff series. Hell, classless is pretending to be a man of God while cheating on your wife with a stripper.
Laugh it up, troll. You've got a few more hours to gloat before we never hear from you again.
He who laughs last...
Checked against Basketball reference these guys are pretty good to the home team.


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Bench had been great with just an off night againt the Nuggets. Reggie did not shoot well but he damn sure hustled in all areas which is all we ever wanted from Dudley. I was amazed when he went up to break up the JJ Hickson lob dunk attempt and for a G/F he is great on the glass. Also have to take into account he had three d.n.p nights after career high against the Lakers and had a better game against the Cavs. He should be commended for playimg hard last game even with an off night.
Glen boxes out and creates space for Granger and Turk to get rebounds. If he could limit the fouls a little more even better. It does look like he would be better paired with a length C but he should be okay come playoffs.
ClipperKyle32, please check if the topic already exists before creating new threads. Particularly when it was you who started both threads.
Marion will fit in nicely with our squad. Pierce is good but I'm scared he might turned into granger when he gets here. So if I'm gonna take a chance with an old guy, I'll stick to Marion who can still play defense
So who decides if we can buy any players? I can't see the temp CEO having the right to spend DTS's money to buy us players and we surely won't have new owners in July, so except for those under contract (if they do not walk), who decides what we can and cannot afford? Where would the cash come from ?
There are a lot of problems with the NBA owning a team. Let's hope that the Clippers can expedite removal of the team from Sterling and find a new buyer for the team.
Lack of length and so many SFs. The Hedo injury may have been bigger than we thought.
birdman, jordan hill, livingston and marion would be perfect on the team
I think its safe to say that we need to reconstruct this team and keep CP, Blake, and DJ. We need a SG with size and a 3&D Small Forward.
I think we need to let DC go, Get rid of Dudley, Barnes, and Granger and Hollins
And the ONE trick pony Crawford. Defense, defense.
I say keep him. Our bench was fantastic last season , but we had defense with it. Jamal was our bench scorer and Bledsoe,Barnes,Odom, and Turiaf played the defense
Trade Blake for David west Paul George and imahimi
He's well north of thirty...and he's still a ONE trick pony. Time for change.
Indiana shouldn't and wouldn't make that trade.
Keep DC! I regret saying that
You don't need a 2 guard off the bench that plays d. You need one that can score, and there isn't a better bench 2 then Crawford in the league.
Most role players are one trick pony, but Crawford is not because he can score shooting and slashing to the rim. A one trick pony is more of jj who can only catch and shoot
Their both one trick ponies and aren't best suited for starting rolls unless in emergencies (injuries).
Hopefully we can get an defensive starting SG who can also shoot. Then you can keep one of the one trick ponies for off the bench time.
Keep Crawford. A lot of our bench fizzled. Remember Jamison? Baby, Hedo, Granger, Jamal, DC on paper could start. Unfortunately the only paper available is Charmin. Granger sooner or later will come back. You can't have been that good and now be that bad as a young guy. He has to improve.
Good luck with that theory.
Again, You can afford to keep one of the trick ponies, if you find an above average starting SG who can play defense and shoot.
Personally I think Granger was use to getting a bit of star treatment in the past and know he is getting scrub treatment. He get's called for every little touch foul, where I remember that he would get praised for similar plays in Indiana in the past. Not to mention that he probably feels pressure that he has to play well to earn more minutes. He is still doing the little things that we lack a lot of the time, boxing out and plays decently defensively outside of a lot of the fouls.
Crawford is a above average sg that can play defense and shoot .
Well, I wouldn't really say too much about Crawford's defense, except for when he's contesting Caron Butler's shots, lol
and I would say that there have been far too many times now where jamal has been on the floor when we needed stops to win the game and we have gotten those stops. Is he the best defender HECK NO but these mythical guards that some people keep insinuating are out there but ARE NOT is just getting ridiculous.
There is only one Tony Allen and ironically the Grizzlies are at home because they didn't have a Jamal Crawford type guard .
We have a sg heck we have TWO we need a sf and the fact that people think there are guards that are better than JJ or jamal didn't watch the NBA this season.
Jamal has 18 pts 5 rebs 3 ass 2 stl and 2 blocks but obviously SG is the issue not the fact that our SF went 0-6
Well said. A Tony Allen type player would be great on this roster, but not at the expense of losing a spark plug off the bench in Jamal Crawford.
Tony Allen is great for late game defensive stops. He still can't check Durant for a full game though, Durant was still dropping 30 on him. Chris Paul did his best Tony Allen impersonation tonight and shut Durant down when it mattered.
I'd rather have Durant get 40 and Jamal get 18 than have Durant get 30 and Tony Allen get 5. Sometimes you've got to fight fire with fire.
You're beating up a strawman here as I don't think anyone is suggesting we need Tony Allen, but there are more guys than Tony Allen who can defend. Actually there are guys out there who can defend and aren't inept at offense or shooting. To me it is about balance, so I do agree with tense in that sense. This isn't something I'm just saying now, I said it in the off-season too, and we have overcome it, partly because of offense and because of well, Chris Paul, but we are too easy to get mis-matched against bigger guards and against SF's.
We still need to balance our SG/SF position, it certainly won't be easy, but it isn't impossible, and I'm not saying this to hate on Crawford or Redick or anyone, it is just the reality. If only Jamal was a SG/SF (size wise) with defense, and not strictly a SG who can sort of play PG, it would certainly alleviate a bit of the issues. We'll see how it is handled in the off-season, but yes, we do put ourselves at a bit of a defensive disadvantage with the make-up of the roster because our SG's are both smallish, both average at best to below average on defense, for different reasons, and our SF's can't stick with SG's effectively so we can't just switch matchups easily.
Now, I agree in that since we don't have scoring off the bench from another position, then Crawford very useful, definitely. That doesn't mean it is the best set up. There are a few ways we can aim to "fix it":
1) Start a more defensive / shooting SG who could also has the size or at least tenacity to play SF and Jamal comes off the bench as the scoring threat, then pair the starter up with a more pure shooter or scoring threat type player at SF. Jamal and the SG can be played together, but Redick is already signed long term, so this might not be a real option.
2) Get a better defensive SF that is also quick enough to guard SG's so that when you start Redick, you can put him on an opposing wing based on easier matchup. This is the most reasonable since Redick is signed and Jamal is also here
3) Let Jamal go in the future, get a SF who can create / score to come off the bench (Paul Pierce / Vince Carter type), get a defensive SG off the bench to balance out Redick, and have a long defensive SF in the startling lineup
Of course the question is who are these players?
SG: Arron Afflalo, Avery Bradley, Alec Burks, Courtney Lee, Gerald Henderson (meh 3PT shooter)
SG/SF (of vice versa): Wilson Chandler, Trevor Ariza, Terrence Ross (not happening), Mo Harkless
Athletic / long SF: Marvin Williams, Al Aminu, DeMarre Carroll
Obviously other ones that are probably not going to be let go like Danny Green, Wesley Matthews, Chandler Parsons, etc..
I'm not suggesting these are all attainable players, but these are the non-star type guys out there who could fit the bill
CapsNClips, I'm not the biggest fan of quoting points with no context. 18 pts isn't 18 pts, isn't 18 pts. 18 pts on 18 FGA is a totally different impact than 18 pts on 13 FGA. Also, Memphis isn't at home because they didn't have a Jamal Crawford type guard, lol, they are at home because their whole offense isn't very good, and they didn't have Zach in game 7 too, so who knows what that would have done. If they had Jamal instead, well, Durant's efficiency climbs, and if you're expecting Jamal to match Durant in efficiency to make up for how much Allen limited him, I'm not sure about that defensive strategy.
Really the end is that we should try and achieve better balance, and yes, it is hard to have both Redick and Crawford as your SG's defensively because they both require minutes and you will end up having to go small with one at SF, and it is a mis-match. Is it something we can alleviate? Maybe, maybe not. I don't necessarily think we should move Crawford, but I do believe that it is best for a balanced roster to choose between Redick and Jamal, but it isn't easy. Also, Jamal is a decent bargain in the end anyways.
The problem isn't sg IMO. It's the 3. The top scorers now adays are at the 3 and you need a big strong 3 who is athletic, quick, and strong. We are the only team left in the playoffs without a superior 3 with the exception of Portland and we see where they are.
Who doesn't fit in this picture at all.
That's where the league is going.
Interestingly enough Batum is the only one of Portland's main three guys that has been productive vs SA, there's nothing wrong with Batum, they aren't where they are because of SF, they are where they are because after his first two big games, Aldridge hasn't really been killing it anymore, and it is a lot harder for Lillard against a team that plays defense. So really, just that SA is better.
I don't disagree that the SF is the problem, and I said it in my post, if we had SF's that could defend and then slide over to the SG to take on harder matchups, it changes how we can use these guys. Maybe we'll change that, maybe we won't, but the wing position in general needs to be balanced out, which is exactly what I said, we need to balance out the SG/SF position.
Now, why does it impact SG? Well our SG's make the most money at the SG/SF position, so we might have to shed some salary at SG in order to improve at SF to balance the roster, and there-in lies the issue.
Free Reggie! Its a serious head scratcher with the lack of production from other guys.
Let's be realistic for a change. With the new CBA and the relatively low salary cap -- coupled with players' high salaries -- the days of having an 1980's style Lakers or Celtics team with an All-Star at every position and a elite bench are gone forever. Once you have a high salaried "Big Three," whether it is Clippers, Heat or whatever, you likely will have a "Bench of Bums." That we have the Sixth Man of the Year AND an elite Big Three is unusual.
I think this is about as good a bench as we can conjure up under the new NBA rules. The fact that Granger has not panned out -- thus far -- and Hedo is injured does not impune our bench. It is about as good as you can expect when you have and an expensive Big Three.
BTW, re. starters -- do you really think if Matt Barnes were a 45% shooter from downtown we could afford him?
This is about as good a club as can be afforded under the CBA unless we draft some undiscovered gem. In fact, the team is so good a team of NBA refs has to be unleashed to get OKC to 2-2.
Go Clippers!
Not forgetting that DC is on that same bench too.
SF is definitely the problem and as I said before this line is thinking is totally unrealistic. You don't need a small forward that can slide over to SG you need a SF that can be a SF on both sides of the ball.
The tougher matchups in the NBA are not at SG they are at SF. But ironically what gives us an advantage on most nights is that Crawford is actually a tough cover at SG but the position is second only to Centers in terms of lack of depth in the NBA. SG is a thin position and we have two of the better ones and they aren't making a ton of money. We are one of the fortunate teams to actually have legit talent at the position
The key going forward for this team is to either draft a SF that we can develop or hope that this season is leaving an impression on would be a free agents and a legit SF agrees to sign here chasing a title.
What I like about a SF that can slide to SG is that is usually means he can also guard PG's, and it means if matchup favors and it will benefit the team, we don't have to make Paul guard the opposing PG for most of the game if we don't want to. So he gets the luxury that a lot of other PG's get against him, which is to rest a little on defense.
In terms on scoring from SF vs SG, it depends on the team.
The East obviously has Wade, but with Lebron also on his team, you put your SF on Lebron.
If we're looking at SG's that can score:
James Harden, Dwayne Wade, DeMarr DeRozan, Joe Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Eric Bledsoe (can include him now), Kevin Martin, Manu Ginobili, Nick Young, Gerald Green, Vince Carter (doing dual position off the bench), Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon (healthy, is that real?), Arron Afflalo, Rodney Stuckey, Tyreke Evans | Young guys: Dion Waiters, Bradley Beal, Klay Thompson, Alec Burcs (after the season he just had). Those are all guys that will give you 18-19+ pts in starters minutes. All in the "top 100" per minute scorers in the NBA. That's 19 players, that's not bad at all, and we have two from our team you could add. I don't think SG is doing as bad as people think, it's just because there aren't superstars. Borderline: Avery Bradley, Wesley Matthews, Jordan Crawford all putting up about 17 pts/36 minutes, yea, Bradley has really improved as a scorer. So there's at least 24 players at SG who minute for minute are fairly decent level scorers and J.R. Smith was awful this season, but he would be on there too in a regular year. Really, almost every team has a SG who if they played starters minutes would average 17-19 pts or more. SF has guys that will drop 30, but most teams have SF's who score in the low teen range.
To be honest, I'm actually surprised, didn't realize I've underrated how much scoring talent and not star, but borderline All-Star / above average offensive SG talent there is.
I definitely agree that SF is the top heavy scoring / star position because we have Lebron, Durant and Carmelo. After those three, the next best scoring SF is Paul George, and then someone like Rudy Gay rounds out the not so old list of scoring SF's, with Paul Pierce as probably the only other true scoring SF. We'd also have to add Deng, Jeff Green, and Danilo Gallinari who is currently injured. While SF has 3 guys who are in the top 5, if we're talking night to night, you are facing a tougher SG matchup, but we want to think playoffs primarily. OKC is going to be our competing team, and in the finals, you're very likely to face a Lebron led team, so if we're talking about which position, the it is SF, but players with positional versatility are the best players to have.
I agree that a title chasing SF would be nice, now of course, the title chasing SF's that we can get for cheap who we might have thought would help are:
Danny Granger (who is already on our team and kinda meh)
Paul Pierce
That's why I said if we want to improve the balance, it might be at the expense of a SG. We're paying $11.7M to our SG's and $7.5M to our SF's. Our SG's actually have value, our SF's, not so much. Now, we have the hope of internal development through Bullock or drafting someone this coming draft (do we have our pick) that fits the bill. As much as some of our fans think we can dump our junk and get good players, we can't combine our two mediocre and now well below average (Dudley) SF's to get back a good SF unless it is some special circumstance.
Maybe our best bet is moving Dudley with Bullock (if we don't think he has enough to become our future SF) for cap space, then if there is a SF we want, try and offer a team Matt Barnes (expiring) as a stop gap SF for them in a sign and trade for a guy we want, eg: Trevor Ariza. The reality might just be that we can't necessarily fill the position as adequately as we would like, and that's just what it is.
No he's not. But, yes he can shoot and he does without malice, lol. His career FGA per game is 20.11 PER48 (this year 23.2). His career FG% is .411 (this year .416). His career 3PT% is .351 (this year .361). But he does have a killer cross over.
Average SG FGA per game=17.3 (PER48). Average SG FG%=.431. Average SG 3PT%.362. Plus he's a below average rebounder for his position and he turns the ball over slightly worse then the average SG. He is a above FT shooter while getting to the FT line at a slight above average rate of 5.3 to 4.5 for the average SG.
And yes he can play defense, just not very good.
Well that slightly above average SG has saved our ass more times than I can count.
57 win season and six playoff wins so far and he's our 4th best player. That's above average IMO.
Call it what you want or makes you feel good, it's your opinion and that's cool. But as a guy who's slightly below average for a SG in the FG/3PT%, he'll shoot you in some games/shoot you out of some games. Won't help much in other areas. He is what he is. Just replying to the post.
^ I'm just curious as to how he would rank among bench SG's, seeing as how his role isn't exactly comparable to Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade or James Harden... and neither is his salary.
Taking into account health, productivity, crunch-time poise and "bang for the buck"... I'd be really interested to see a list of more impactful 2-guards who aren't on cheap rookie deals.
I guess Darren Collison counts... if and when he plays the 2. That guy is a flat-out steal!
Hedo adds a lot of versatility to this club. Right before he went down he was nailing shots on a consistent basis. Does anyone have any news on his return timetable? I miss our big Turk.
This is how I know when people don't understand the game and try to use their ability to read stats as some sort of accreditation that they do.
AI shot 42% and I'm quite sure that is guys like Mo Pete ,Kerry Kittles ,Brent Barry Ricky Davis shot better than him. In no way in this world were they better players
Every Time someone goes into the posting of percentages it screams they have never played because I guarantee you that no coach or player is thinking Jamal Crawford only shoots 41% for his career so we don't have to worry about him we will instead focus our defensive attention Matt barnes whose a 45% career shooter
the inability to put stats in context is what is killing basketball.
BS. Been watching BB probably longer then you've been alive, way before advanced stats were invented. Played the game too.
Gave you statistical facts on what an average SG produces as far as FG% and 3PT% as compared to your statement regarding Jamal. If it's your opinion he's above average...fine, what ever makes you feel good.
A.I...we all know what he was really good at...taking shots and a lots of them. But hey I'm still a fan of his.
Ariza and Deng would be great SFs for our team. I wouldn't mind Marion, but I would've loved that move about 3-5 years ago.

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I strongly disagree with the opinion expressed in Jim Saine's Feb. 8 letter ("Object to Gays in Scouting") and am saddened by the persistence of unfounded prejudice in an organization professing to teach leadership and civic values to young men. Though Saine invokes the bogyman of pedophile in his letter, he fails to acknowledge the simple fact: there is no evidence linking homosexuality to predatory behavior (or poor parenting, weak leadership, bad morals, dangerous role modeling, inadequate hygiene, or whatever else Saine and his ilk might dream up next).
Increasingly, American Christians are recognizing that discrimination against homosexuals violates the fundamental tenets of their religion (as set out, for example, in Mathew 22:39-40 or John 13:34). But some, like Saine and the Boy Scouts of America leadership, persist in imagining God as frivolous, bigoted and invested in preserving an outdated ideology. I hope most Christians will ignore such voices, continue to explore the the Bible's complexities and more thoughtfully apply scripture to their lives and decisions.
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|24th September 2006 03:48 AM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
That's a very good post. Me too, I quite don't get all that fuss about the Olympics for windsurfing?.. I could understand the desire to get some "formula" legal, as there seem to be market there, before getting out the real light wind oriented Appolo for example, but the Olympics, no. Good point.B)
|21st September 2006 11:24 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
The Olympics have demonstrated they want crap, heck they are even skillful at staging a democratic crap selection. So let's all set a course to reach those lofty standards shall we, that makes a lot of sense. After all it does culminate in a few races every four years that can put even the most hardcore fan to sleep.
|21st September 2006 08:39 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
Thx Remi,
I believe there is a market for Xlight boards for Xlight day and places, i-e guys like me will pay for that. Look at the generalisation of the "pro-model" boards in the line-up for brands like JP, Fanatic or even Mistral and Naish now. It shows that even non racer will like to have the best available in terms of rigidity and weight too.
I understand your focus for now, but maybe you guys will find time for a limited ed or "pro" model for the Appolo for example.
I also agree with you for sails. Looks like around 10m2 and optimized for light wind is the direction and best compromize , for now (weight is also a factor as 12m2 are quite heavier than 10m2).
Where I live now, we only have lacs and light wind, so I am particularly interested in Xlight wind perf and evolution.
Best regards,
|21st September 2006 06:45 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
Hi Crwind,
If the isaf choose another board for the Olympic for 2012, that will a production board who have been race during one year and prove that is enough good (and also price and durability) before the decision who will be in september 2008. So that means clearly that we need to put it on the market september 2007. And make sure that the board feet the FW rules (so 8,5kgs Max)
Actualy we win more in early planing with a good shape and for sure a beter rig that we have right now on the market, the big progress have to made in this direction.
Yes a light board will help also, but do not have enough time for next year to be sure that this technology is enough good in therme of durability.
And the big question will be how much rider who don't race would like to pay double price for an early plaining board?
All the best
|21st September 2006 09:42 AM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
Not too sure what all the fuss is about, because a racer could be carrying two board to a event RIGHT NOW, its just that the boards would be from different companies, to explain.....
Example: Lets say the board company "XXX-Boards" makes a fantastic formula board (named "Light Wind Machine" this formula board is the best light wind board on the market (up to 15knots), leaves everything for dead. Lets say Starboard makes a board name "161" is the best board on the market for winning races over 15knots.
A cashed up racer who has brought "Light Wind Machine" & "161" can go to a event, determine the overall conditions for an event and register the best board for what he thinks will win him the most races.
|20th September 2006 09:30 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
Here's a little help from a rec.windsurfing post from 1993
Copy and paste
the url thing isn't working for me
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.windsurfing/browse_thread/thread/430969c72a56be6a/ac58530ed40741c7?lnk=st&q=formula+42&rnum=1&hl=en# ac58530ed40741c7
Being a big guy, getting beat by small guys sucks!!
Small guys on four year old 9.8s have won against heavies with new 12.5s in the avarage light wind racing we have around here.
Maybe if you get the ISAF to publish there class specs to match what you want, and place sombody on the selection board to direct the process you could have a chance.
ISAF dosn't seem to be interested in an established class. They would rather start from zero and allow two years to build it
By 2012 the rsx could have enough particpants to really claim that there an international class (not just olympic).
That's if NP dosn't cut there losses and bail on the program after the 08s.
|20th September 2006 07:52 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
A bit iritating that you won't even care answering my post but address the point from others...
Another thing, please understand that with the Appolo, some of use are NOT interested in Formula class (your Q: "will that help formula class?" I don't care when it come sto Appolo.) Also, we want a board that flies in light air, not something to go to the Olympics!
So make it light, as light as possible, we will pay the price and get the light wind machine for NO racing. I think there is a market there, no?
|20th September 2006 07:52 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
A bit iritating that you won't even care answering my post but address the point from others...
Another thing, please understand that with the Appolo, some of use are NOT interested in Formula class (your Q: "will that help formula class?" I don't care when it come sto Appolo.) Also, we want a board that flies in light air, not something to go to the Olympics!
So make it light, as light as possible, we will pay the price and get the light wind machine for NO racing. I think there is a market there, no?
|20th September 2006 07:46 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
Hello Remi,
I personally would pay a double price (once in two years from 2008 ) but I do realise that I will be a minority in that aspect. So I understand that there will be no big enhough market to go that way.
I also do not think that it will help the majority of Formual Racers (and I did not mention that as a goal of my idea), at least not in one or two years, it may so in say three or four years.
In the end, if you would be able to significantly lower the weight of the board, maintaning the current strenght of the boards and produce it in big enhough quantity's it might introduce a completely new eara.
For the olympics it might be the only way to go, cause you need to be able to plane as soon as possible and in those marginal winds weight is a significant factor, yes?
What happend to AHD was not only because of the buildingmethod but I see your point. At the same time starboard was able to make a little heavier board that was equally good performing so no one really needed to buy a AHD. If you coudl come up with that excotic Apollo lightversion (- 6kg) you probably have the new standard for lightwind windsurfing.
Would be great to have an invester who would pay for the R&D to make something like this happen. That invester should also invest in the first years of productiocosts so that the market will get enhough hunger that quantity can lower the final cost of the board. I know it can be done but one has to think out of every box (even the wallet one )
Who knows, maybe someday, I keep my fingers crossed and will enjoy every moment sailing with my current formula gear.
All the best,
|20th September 2006 07:15 PM
RE: Apollo Vs F161
Hi JW22,
To built a board at 6kgs it's probably possible, but the cost will be really high compare to what we have right now.
Some years ago Ahd try to do it and finaly they don't sell Formula, the price was really too expensive.
Are you ready to pay double price?
Do you think that really help the majority of Formula Racers?
We are trying to make a board that can replace the RSX in London 2012. And in this case the package have to be at the same price as the curent Olympic board.
All the best
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The weekend was filled with talk of what could be achieved in idealised genealogy world where anything is possible if you just have the time and money and know where to look. In the real world however I have definite shortage of the first two, although the third doesn't worry me quite so much.
One aspect I really liked about the three-day weekend was that I was, for a very short time, a full-time family historian, nothing else mattered for those 72 hours. I know I can't afford to do this very often, but I wonder if I might be able replicate this on a smaller scale.
Perhaps once a month I could take a day out and treat myself to a genealogy escape day where I can take myself off somewhere (not necessarily an archive) where I can concentrate on family history. Maybe in the summer I could find an isolated hill-top where I can just escape everything and think of nothing else but family history for a while.
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Great series!
Good presentation - the entire class / week. Lots of good tips and ideas. Needed the refresher and got some new ideas and saw some clever concepts in the code segments, will have to check out your book for summer reading I suppose ...
good presentation
Is there a way to download the audio for the presentation? I can get the PPT but I am not sure if thre is anyway to listen download audio for these lectures.... Thanks for your help.
Thanks and have a happy new year!
A fine week of lectures...
code for Switch testing is definately useful.
I think modular programming is different than reusable code.
Last day.
thank you Gary,
Thank you,
All information is great, most valuable topic was about switches testing
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Thank you Gary!
@Gary - it does support
@Gary - did not get the question re. test case failing causes it to pass? (talking about false positive/false negative???)
Great to have access to the recorded sessions
Missed the live lecture again
thanks for a good week of lectures
I think the most useful was the comments about not using switches accross large blocks of code
I am not aware of any testing with this feature
I think the discussion of reuseable code when using a higher order language needs to include refactoring of the code to reduce methods to smaller (1 page or less) blocks of code which can be pulled out to a generic library. These libraries can be shared accross different projects
Looking forward to today. I can understand why thier is a large interest
in this topic
Picking up the last day
Thanks Gary; very interesting week session
Great class
The most useful parts of the week were how and where to adapt code to varying environments and hardware. I take hardware and software reuse to heart. You've provided a few more tools for my design and problem solving toolbox. I lead projects where hardware, firmware, features and support software design are very closely coupled in a small design team. Propogating of good ideas, not just getting a product out the door is a thread in my leadership style.
Three of my team mates have attended this week.
Thank you Gary.
@gongji: How to guess the combinations of features to test when you don't how a customer would use it is a good questions. In a printer, for example, we could print a page on letter paper at 600 DPI single-sided. And we could print on ledger paper at 300 DPI double-sided. And many other combinations of settings for the print job. I wrote a random tester which randomly set about 20 parameters and then tried to print page. We did find one obscure defect with that method. But was it enough? I came across this article, "Combinatorial Software Testing" in IEEE's Computer August 2009 magazine that addressed that very topic. I downloaded their ACTS software (http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/acts/) and played with it, but as is typical, real work interfered with research for a better way.
@asdurey: Tools for automated low-level function testing: Those tools are fewer because you are talking about code in kernel space (as oppposed to application space) and code that accesses hw, and so the test harness would have to support stubs for kernel-space stubs and simulated hw.
Best comment in Code ever was (Nosey, aren't you!)
Thanks Gary!
The key to the good documentation result is capturing meaning. Just getting the right line to go to the right state at the right time is only the tip of the iceberg. Implementation (mechanical, electrical, PLC, relay logic, firmware) is the solution, not the description or spec. The problem is in the teaching and use of good communications skills (IMHO).
@Lawson I think you are correct that it was a maintenance programmer working on code he had not written.
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@GStringham: I can't thank you enough for you help.
Have a great day everybody. "See" many of you in two weeks.
@gongji: Having good nameing rules helps readability, debugging, and maintenence, which needs to happen whether the code would be reusable or not.
Thanks, Gary for a great progrm. And thanks everyone for your participation.
@RoboPaint: What software tools do I prefer? Isn't that like asking a chef what kitchen utensil he or she prefers? I've used vi, gvim, PSPad, NotePad, awk, grep, sed, sh, ksh, bash, Visual Studios, make, cc, cygwin, Word, Visio, Excel, Paint.net, Solitaire, Chrome, iTunes, and so on. What's funny is while I'm in MS Word, I can write text just fine. When I'm in vi (or gvim) I can write code just fine. But when I try to write a code snippet in my Word doc, I can't do that. I keep trying to hit escape and then use h, j, k, and l to move around. :-)
Hate having to write comments like that one. If I find myself doing it, I put on my Sherlock Holmes hat and go sleuthing for what's going on. Sometimes, it drives our hardware guys batty to have to go dig up why they did what they did and how it works but I get them to do it. I do not do magic fudge factors and trick code without thoroughly explaining them in comments.
For a very rih sopurce of those sorts of funny programmer comments google :
On anenglishmanscastle. I often go there and search for "Argh" -- it has given me many hours of chuckles.
@GStringham So far all of the products I have been involved in are in the prototype phase, although we have been through several revisions of a couple of them. But, since I am learning all of this now, I should be all set for future versions :)
@rlallier Interesting (and good) take on that comment. I was thinking more along the lines that the comment was written by a software guy who wasn't the original code author. He was tasked with maintaining the code and was adding comments as he figured things out. He didn't see the point of that code and tried removing it, but found that made it fail! I've been in that position a few times. I've probably written some dumb comments like that too!
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thank you
Thanks, Gary. I've learned a few new things, but especially a few new ways to think about reuse.
@Brandon: I'm guessing from your comments that you are working on a brand-new product, Version 1.0. You'll start to see reusabilty stuff when you work on your Version 2.0 hw which needs Version 2.0 code, (which, of course, is totally reusable from your 1.0 product, right? :-)
Thanks Gary for the feedback on my features combination question. However, I design chips for consumer electronics market (cellphone). You never know how your customers will use your chip. We do randomization on all features combination, but we can only cover so many cases. It is very time-consuming and there is no guarantee. I am wondering if you have ever come across such problem.
Thanks, Gary
@casner: Yes, there are a lot of good comments and ideas on these posts. I have thought about compiling them and enhancing this course if the demand (and $$) is there.
@casner LOL Someone hasn't talked to the hardware engineers enough. It's "funny" (not really) to run across comments and code which give evidence that the software engineer didn't exactly understand the functionality of the hardware he was working on and just "winged it" because of things the hardware engineer told him he had to do to "make it work." Can't make software people too embarassed to ask questions! Knew a hardware engineer who could be very intimidating. Caused the software guys to presume things because they were chicken to reveal, through questions, that they didn't know exactly how the hardware worked. I wasn't afraid to ask the "dumb" questions, because I always figured if I couldn't explain what I was doing in the comments, then I didn't have a good grasp of what was going on myself.
"Don't know what this does, but it fails if this is not here"
I think that was in "Harry Readme"
@casner At least they're honest!
I once saw a comment for assembler code that said "Divide by seven, you figure it out".
Worst comment in purchased code, "Don't know what this does, but it fails if this is not here"
@gongji: You don't need to test every combination of swtiches. In my example, Feature A and B are related somehow so those should be tested in all combinations. But if Feature C is unlrelated, there is no need to test C with all combinations and permutations of A and B.
When I wrote test procedures it was so anybody off the street could run them. With repair manuals it was almost the same way. Coding comments should be verbose enough that anybody can understand them (even yourself) weeks after they are written.
Value for me this week has been learning CPP tricks. I've always used it, but have never pushed it to its max.Biggest hit for me this week is:#define PRT_DEBUG(a) printf aW.O.W. - My code is filled with multi-line debug output, which screws readability. I'm going to use this to reduce all that crap to one-liners.Very nice to get something out of a class I can put to use immediately. Thanks, Gary!
Great lecture Gary. Using preprocesor directives to expand the scope of the code so it can be reusable was most helpful for me
Are there any tools for automated low-level function testing that you would recommended?
Good series of lectures. The company where I work is making a big push for continuous improvement. These kinds of education programs to help with continuing process improvement for software development are helpful.
@tniles Yeah, I do that sometimes during development to verify an algorithm is correct. However, what I can't get is support from management to create a full test suite (of these test functions) that can be used for regresssion testing. We're always behind schedule and nobody wants to "pay it forward," so we keep doing manual testing (or none at all depending on how much the sales manager is yelling for the new feature or bug fix).
Rob, thanks for posting the slide we're on. When the sound cuts out I lose track until I can get it back.
@abarman I know what you mean about the streaming. IT where I am worked hard to get our corporate network from blocking it, and even then, we had that cut-out problem. I used our guest wi-fi access and network to log on to get around the blocking and unreliability. Unusual. YouTube videos come in just fine on the corporate network.
Thanks Gary. Really enjoyed the series.
ASIC development is becoming more and more software-like (writing RTL code). Reuse is a big requirement for us too. Lots of parameters in our design and strict naming rules. I didn't hear anything about naming rules in your presentation. Is that important in the software world too? I would think so...
Thanks Gary ! and Rob for EET sponsorship.
Best series ever, very useful. Thank you Gary and Rob.
Thx Gary and Rob. I read your book Hardware/Firmware interface design. Very useful!
@GStringham: Coffee is the desert, the lecture is the main course. We can get by without desert.
Thank you for your time preparing and presenting the lecture. I do not do software design but it was aninteresting look into the applications
thank realy good info - thank you
The whole week of Gary's lectures are now archived on the Digi-Key Continuing Education Center page on Design News.
Thanks Gary. I curious to know what software tools you prefer??
Seeing the examples here has reminded me how much code reuse we do here.
Thanks to All
Gary thank you for all lectures, all were very interesting.
Thank you for hosting Rob.
Thank you Digikey for sponsoring
Good lecture. Lots of pearls of wisdom in here to contemplate and incorporate in my own practices.
Thanks Gary and Rob!
Thanks, great presentation
I had to keep restarting the sound throughout the lecture.
Thanks Gary.
Thanks Gary & Rob
Thanks for another great session and great series
Thanks Gary
Gary & Rob Thanks Very much for a Great Week!
Thank you Gary and Rob.Happy Thanksgiving to all.
In general the lectures were useful to understand what's happenning in industry in general about code reuse in embedded products. It helped me a lot to confirm that we are in the right path and we have to continue this this effort of producing reusable software components; it benefits everybody, not just internally to reduce development time an cost but also our customers
Thank you for taking to the time to provide such a great lecture
Thanks Bob and Gary.
The same to you, Gary
Most useful, CPP switching with #else for catching the bad code.
Thanks Gary. Great week.
Thank you ver much, Gary! This has been a great class. I learned a lot!
thanks gary
Thank you!
Testing and reuse practices
Thank you to Gary and Rob for this week.
Thanks Rob
Examples of compile time directives.
Dealing with contract developers with a long term view and constructing code for reuse.
Fantastic series, Gary. Thank you!
dual-level, top level selects features
forcing compile-time errors to check proper defines
link did not work for me either
Thank you for a great presentation!
software reuse makes me think how software engineering is a real professional discipline.
Thank you Gary!!
good info thanks
Being a board designer, I feel there should be interaction with software for optimization. Most valuable lecture.
Test schemes
I got a real good introduction on code Reuse practices
mgmt support to invest in automated firmware testing and up-front firmware design
Different concepts for tying pre-processor directives to as it make sense for the product/code.
Switching concept, code reuse, compiler features
For me. the disticntion between product/hardware switches and feature switches.
Most valuable: Built an outline of suggestions from the course.
We're now on slide 19.
CPP and Switching features
Wednesday and Thursday's discussion on managing conditional compiles and how to structure them to promote best reusability was most helpful.
The most valuable part was the code examples of how to setup #defines for reusability.
Most useful to me: I am not making enough use of CPP
have been encouraged to continue using compiler directives; and need to learn more about build time switches
Useful: using conditional compile features.
Seeing Good example of proper use of switches
Most useful - 1) Gary has actually done this and is not talking about how it should be done. 2) Use of Switches.
Adding the last #else to cause compiler to quit with error if #define is not one of choices.
The use of the preprocessor directives to break up functionality for testing.
1 Testing switches
2 Different styles of reuse
concept of switching on features, not products
We're now on slide 18.
I can't get to the link, is it working for anyone else?
@lawson and @cavebiker: you can always place tests within your code if you have the extra memory space. Can't cover everything, but could cover a lot of basics, too. (example: passing given inputs to produce expected/known outputs)
wow, I will definitely take a look at your book. It is exactly what I need. Is there discount for your student? :-)
I will buy your book
I have your book, it provides very valuable information
We're now on slide 17.
We're now on slide 16.
@ Lawson -Good luck dude, I am in the same boat as we type
I am a hardware engineer and I really like to have more feedback from firmware engineers to help me optimize the ASIC, especially regarding register mapping. However, in most of the companies I worked at, hardware and software rarely talk. It is a shame.
@cavebiker Been trying to garner support for automated firmware testing for over a year. Still not much traction yet...
Usually the same programmers do multiple generations.
I would be happy if SW people would owned their code. Blame is usually at someone who doesn't even work here anymore. ??? ingredient for disaster
Most of our engineers do both hardware and software.
always nice to own code, but at some point it switches hands. From yesterday: comments, Comments, COMMENTS!
Very rarely do the same individuals carry forward to the next generation.
Working at a startup so don't know how the next generation will adapt.
Slide 15 - This is really easy if you are both ;)
I own my code!
Never know if you will own the code or not
Outsource engineers are paid by the hour. Reusable code cuts their pay.
For code that we intend to reuse we have the same engineer work on it for multiple generations (At least 4 or 5)
Yes, We have lots of Lifer here.
We own the product throughout proto phase and will almost for sure own it if issues come up when it is in production.
One engineer owns the code for several variations in the product family. We have a lot of re-use, and I have even merged multiple versions into one reusable one
Developers and support are two different groups.
Lucky enough to have long-term engineering here.
Here, the same engineer owns the code for 3 or more generations.
Yes. I've learned quite a bit from owning code for a series of related products.
We're now on slide 15.
At least five generations
I'm the only hardware/software engineer at this time.
we use the same code for long time in many products
Same engineer can own code for multiple generations.
use lots of contractors (outsource)
We're now on slide 14.
I had to look it up. Thw #warning directive is supported.
We're now on slide 13.
We're now on slide 12.
There have been several good ideas mentioned in posts this week. Is it possible to summarize these on your website or here somehow?
#warning is supported
We're now on slide 11.
Yes, #warning is supported.
Keil C51 v 7.20 no #warn or #warning
Doesn't support #warn
Yes, our IAR compiler supports #warning. Would assume GCC would too.
Our off-the-shelf C compilers, for the newer products support extensive preprocessor directives. Our in-house language compiler, which is C-like, has an unfortunately limited and primitive set of preprocessor directives. For example, it does not support the #error or #warn directives. I have worked around this limitation by putting in code that will not compile into clauses which otherwise should have used a #error
#warning is supported by CodeWarrior V10
#warn is not supported
At this point I don't know if my compiler supports #warn or #warning.
@cavebiker Agreed. We've been trying to add a line for Test and Verification to the proto schedule but it usuallyends up being me testing units at my desk for an hour before they go out to customer :S
I don't know.
Have not used #warn
never used #war; currently I'm using multiple toolchains but don't know if this direvtive is supported
not aware
don't recall
Don't know if the compilers I use support #warn. I need to check that!
don't know
never used #warn before
I do not know what my compiler does.
CodeVisionAVR supports #warning
I don't know what my compiler does yet with #warn/#warning.
yes - compiler I'm using now DOES support #warning
I don't know if #warn is supported; I'll try it soon.
Warn is supported in my compilers.
Don't know what my compiler supports.
Do not Know
Don't know what the compiler supports wrt #warn
I don't know if my compiler supports it or not
My compiler supports the #warning directive.
Don't know
Don't know.
supports it
We're now on slide 10.
VS2008 supports #warn
how do you cover the interactions among all the features? If you have 20 features, each can be on/off, then you have 2^20 or 1 million combinations, which is essentially "impossible" to verify.
I do not know
@Brandon That's pretty much true here. Sales and upper management bypass the whole design process and pull their schedules out of thin air.
From one of the courses here I learned (or found through a link) that Embedded code is $15-$40 a line (capital cost all in) -- plus maintenance which is likely $5 to $25 a line per year.
Bad code is expensive --
Re-usable code ithat is clean and works properly and is properly documented is clearly worth a lot of money and is a real time saver.
That is why the interest.
@Brandon Ow! Feel your pain. First job out of college, we had no marketing dept. Sales had a direct pipe to R&D and the license to promise the customer anything. My boss called us the SMOP department, for Small Matter of Programming -- because that is what the sales guys would tell our customers who wanted custom features or functionality.
We're now on slide nine.
@Brandon I guess we are not along. But I keep pushing automated firmware testing. I hope somday mgmt will listen and spent the effort to di it right.
@cavebiker & Lawson - You're lucky you have Project Managers. We don't even get that luxury...our sales guys and the customer drive the schedule, and pretty much ignore our input...
We're now on slide eight.
@Lawson us too, nutty schedules and proj mgrs, ha!
Developers here are responsible for ensuring that builds cover all necessary conditional cases. Unfortunately, there is no formalized testing of the build process itself.
We're now on slide seven.
@Gary: yes, I develop automated tests that deliberately induce failures and verify that the unit under test (which may be a software build) fails when expected.
MKS can pass when a build fails
not aware of any
Not aware
We're now on slide six.
not experience in writing test code
No formal test methodology.
in house test methodology, but quite ad hoc. Want to adopt TDD or Agile
@cavebiker Ha! Sounds like us. Not by choice though, only b/c of nutty project schedules with no time for testing. :(
In house methods
Looking to build our methodology
in-house method
No test methodology. Code and hope the customer dosn't see the bug first
We have borrowed some test methodologies from others but have customized it for our own environment
We're now on slide five.
In house leaning toward tdd
In house methodology.
We have no test code method.
Also in-house method.
For release testing, we have a separate software verification group.
In house test method.
custom test methods
In-house methodology.
We have a seperate software testing group.
We tend to "evolve" our test procedures concurrently with our design and development.
Own methodology -- but testing is an integral part. I like slide Four!
We write test before writing the code
in house
No specific test methodology.
we use our in-house testing solution
In house method.
Hello from Sunny Brockville.
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@Brandon: You might not quite understand some stuff but it is different enough, you could listen live today if you wish.
@Kentj I concur. Also, proper naming of functions and variables that provides insight into what they do. There's several good books on readable code that have concepts that seem so simple but they so often seem to be skipped or not done in practice.
At one place I worked, a software manager worried that comments made the code easier to steal! Seriously. He believed that. One can only hope that, wherever he is now, he knows better...
@DaveWR working for a company that provides free coffee then :)
Yes -- we own it. :-( It's our expense!
Gary -- relax man -- I can aussure you that free coffee does not do the trick these days!
@Kentj - "The job of an engineer is to improve things and improve things until they don't work anymore. :-D"I've been doing that a lot recently!
Hi everyone.
@GStringham: I've been pulled away on critical builds this week (yes, even during the lunch hour...), so I missed parts 2-4. Would it be worth tuning in live today, or would it be better to just get caught up on the previous lectures?
@carmacks_reverse: That's why we should be very liberal with comments. I just got some code that needs to be reused with no comments at all.
Hello from Brazil!
I'm here to learn new stuff, not get free coffee. Besides nearest Starbucks is a 15 mile drive from my location in WI. Looking forward to part 5.
Hey all! Today we learn the secret stuff!
One major road block to code reuse seems to always be poorly documented code (after all -- who wants to reuse a 'module' if it is impossible to discern what it is or how it works?).
Hello everyone from Montreal
Hello everyone from CA
hello everyone
Hello from MI
Hi everyone, from Ottawa ON
Alameda, CA here
Happy Friday all!
@GStringham: Thanks for reposting.
@Kdavidson - totally agree with you.
Hey all, from Hayward Wisconsin
Hello Gary.... oh no forget the free coffee
we are here for the real juice ;)
Anyone who attends five hours worth of lectures and Q&A just to get a $5 gift card has their priorities messed up. We've had a reuse edict passed down from on high and I'm looking for all the info I can get.
@KentJ: I posted it on Wed's chat after responding to your email. Here it is again.
Useful links:
Gnu's C Preprocessor Manual: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/
Good description of CPP Gotchas: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/cpreprocessor.html
hello all.
@GStringham: I tried posting those two websites you sent me in case any others are having trouble with CPP directives but they don't go through. Everything else I post does though.
I do like Espresso Connection and Tully's better though, The coffee tastes better and they have more sugar free flavors.
@GStringham - Don't be nervous. Your lectures are great. Like the 47% we just like free stuff.
Hello from SoCal.
@Pat Mc - Getting back to normal after Sandy? I grew up there, out in Suffolk County.
hi all
Hello from Toronto
@GStringham how about based on how they calculate your grade for this semester I'm currently somewhere in the B range and need to get some more credits to get that to an A :)
I need the coffee to stay awake because I stay awake late trying to debug code that should already work.
All your discussions about the starbucks card this week is making me nervous. I'm trying to figure out if you are attending only because you want free coffee and you really don't care what I have to say. Or if I am so boring that you need coffee to stay awake during my presentation. :-) Maybe I ought to do more singing or play a laugh track in the background. :-)
Semi-retired and still love to learn and apply.
Hello from Huntsville, Al.
@technologist: I agree, especially this week.
When you start telling techies that learning is more important than free coffee you are treading on dangerous ground....
The way I see it if you get a starbucks it's a nice treat but you still are learning something otherwise
hello everyone!
Ok, I'm the only one that can log in early because I work out of the home, but I'm sure others have similar circumstances judging how early they log in.
Some of us can log in early because I work out of the home. But others (probably most) don't have that luxury.
I think they should just surprise everyone and give all attendees a gift card like they did before.
I've seen the coffee question asked numerous times this week and nobody has ever gotten an answer.
What I do for a free coffee is forget to log out the night before so I'm the first one here in the morning.
who knows what determines if you "attend"?
You have to send an email to Rob Spiegels secret email account offering to split the card.
Have you ever tried to live on a publishers salry? -- It ain't easy!
Hello from Sunny SE Lake Simcoe --Ontario Canada.
What people will do to get a free coffee...!!!
Hello again from IL.
Welcome from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Good day from Mobile. AL
hello to all
Hi from Long Island, NY
Good afternoon from eastern MA.
Hi everybody,
I am here.
Hello again from Rockwell Automation in Cleveland Ohio (actually Mayfield Hts. Lab).
The job of an engineer is to improve things and improve things until they don't work anymore. :-D
The sound seems to be working better than it did in previous weeks.
I needed to restart the sound a few times on the Monday and Tuesday.
After resetting my browser, the sound has been ok.
I also liked that the "Blog Talk Radio" started automatically right on time before. Now I miss at least the first few words having to press the play button.
Nope, it said "attendees" but I think they determine that by when you log in.
It is 68F in Hilo HI @ 5:56AM. Should get to 79 today.
I think it said to the first 25 to log in. I liked the old way better too.
I mean the old way that they determined if you "attended" if you downloaded the slides before class then you would get them, now they limit to the first 25 people, but who knows what determines if you "attend". Do we have to download the slides, do we have to login, do we have to post? I have no idea if according to them I am "attending".
Freezing cold out here in the Northeast
Good Morning from Raining San Jose CA.
It's 60°F now and a High of 63°F.
Happy Friday!!! (TGIF)
TGIF Good Mornng!
@JHarrison What was the old way, the only way I've seen it was they emailed you an electronic code for it. Did they physically mail you the cards?
@bitbanger55 it takes like 3 weeks to receive
i liked their old way of giving sbux cards better
@technologist: Thanks.
@bitbanger http://www.designnews.com/document.asp?doc_id=253209&dfpPParams=aid_253209&dfpLayout=article. Here's a copy of the rules
@bitbanger if you read the rules you will not get those mailed/emailed to you for at least a couple of weeks until after this session is over
win ?
Anyone with the SBUX coffee prize yet ??
Good Morining, definitely one of the better series. Good specifics about "what" to do, "how" to do it, in addition to "why".
Good morning, Thank you for the continuing education sessions
Good morning.
Good morning and TGIF also one week before Thanksgiving and a good excuse to stuff your face
TGIF Everyone.
Happy Friday!
Good Morning.
Thanks again for having the continuing education classes.
Very informative week session
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Durant's MVP speech may have bought him a few more calls
Breathing buys Durant more calls.
Much respect to him though. It was a moving speech for sure. Go Clips, get that W. Show no mercy!
Let's not get carried away just because we got homecourt from okc we need to be greedy and hungry to for a win.
I'm just scared that that speech might have sparked a fire under his ass
That was a great speech! I have a lot more respect for Durant after listening to that. Thanking everyone individually was a classy humble move. He seemed sincere, and I am sure Thunder will come out to play harder than ever today. We are going to have our hands full but we can do it. Go clipshow!!!
Great speech! It will motivate them. This should be a great game. But if we win, MVP speech or no, the Thunder will fold.
There was something weird about last game. It's not unusual for us to get a big lead and lose it. I felt that after our first big run the game was over. They were in Take No Prisoners mode.Buzzsaw was a good word, I've never seen this before. KEEP IT UP. OKC doesn't play with near the heart that GSW does. As far as heart give me Steph any day over Westbrook. How much does Durant have? Who knows when you have that much talent and you're a freak of nature (In a good way)
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Long time lurker first time poster. Boredom at work compelled me to post.
Anyway i found an interesting link on youtube and thought i would share it with you guys but realised the forum would not allow me to being a newbie and all
It was a BBALLBREAKDOWN video with Coach Nick disecting the High-Low Blake to DJ Lob. Seeing the play in slowmo with the background commentary is eye opening. Seems unguardable (i don't believe the methods to defend it that he suggested would be effective as it leaves an open corner 3).
Funny how opposing fanbases say that in the playoffs defenses clamp down and the game is slowed to a point where lobs aren't possible. We've seen countless in the GS series and I'm sure there are more to come in the thunder series.
Power to the clips!
Best Offense In The League
It's the media and the approach taken by OKC. Their coach isn't spouting out crap every other minute, the don't have players (or fans) ragging on us or our team every dang day. The series (save for Ibaka) is pretty calm compared to GS. If we were playing Memphis it would still seem horrible because they approach the game the same way the Duds do. The media still wants to mouth off about us, but it isn't coming from OKC.
That Durant speech can either rally his guys or cause them to over play things for the leader. Hoping the team comes out with fire looking to end this as soon as possible.
That's because we won this first one.. Don't put your guard down.. Oklahoma is a better team then golden state.. We got out rebounded but we just hit lots of shots .. But I think Oklahoma is a better match up for us then warriors so maybe that's where our beam of confidence is coming from
Yes less animosity, and I feel a little more relaxed only a very little I might add because losing in the 1st round would have been much more of a disaster than losing in the 2nd.
But weather we win or lose this series really does hang in the balance just like the last one.
I expect their defense to swarm CP and be a lot more physical this game, but as long as ours is the same we can keep it close and the pressure on them to win will be huge down the stretch... hopefully leading to mistakes.
Sounds like a plan. I'll text Doc
if they double CP then I expect to see DC play more minutes. The 2 PG line up won't hurt us in this series since Thabo isn't going to be posting anyone up
Yeah, I agree. If they load up on CP3, I'm pretty sure Doc will insert another ball handler... plus, we always have Blake as an inside-out playmaker.
Even if they don't double, I like the idea of Collison playing big minutes this series. Our constant ball pressure should create turnovers and force Brooks' hand into going small for offense, which means Durant and only one of their bigs guarding Blake and DJ. That leads to Durant foul trouble or lob-city all night long.
Of course, if JJ's getting free and raining 3's... we can live with that too.
Lol I remembered when many of us , including myself , wanted this guy.
Lol I remembered when many of us , including myself , wanted this guy.
That's def an understatement. I remember some posters bashing doc as a gm becuz he didn't get whinem
My fellow graphic designer posted this picture on Instagram , but I decided to share this with you guys
I'm more laid back about this one too. It's a combination of barely anyone picking us to win before the series, players and coaches who don't spend every waking hour talking **** about us to the media, and a fanbase that isn't a bunch of obsessed Clipper haters.
Man I really like that jersey. It would be cool if we had a black alternate jersey.
Agreed. Maybe it should be brought on the day Sterling is finally gone. Might be too long a wait though
The difference between our team and their team is we don't need to hear a good speech from one of our players to feel like we can win, we just need a good day of practice.
With all the MVP festivities yesterday, I'm wondering if the Thunder had adequate time to adjust their gameplan... If they don't overhaul their strategy, I don't want to be over-confident, but I don't see how they'd have a chance this game... KD & Russ had pretty good games in gm 1, it's not like they were ice-cold & that's why we won.
I believe the Thunder will come at Chris Paul hard tonight , but I believe having supernumerary ball handlers and play makers will be key. Blake , JJ , Jamal , and DC
I think you are being a little over confident. The Thunder are tough team (despite their coach) and this, like last series will also be hard fought. One game no matter how it ended up, it's just one game.
This series IMO goes at least 6 games.
Clippers +5.5 tonight.
You can't spell Bynum without B U M.
Agree. I expect a good defensive effort from Ibaka, Perkins, and Adams.
See a huge difference this year than any other year is that we have 2 dominant players now. If you double cp he can now defer to blake to make more plays and vice versa. You can't double them both...thats why our offense is unstoppable
I never said they're not capable of defending us. Just said they need a new plan. They can't just roll the balls out.
I think this calm relaxed feeling comes from us being underdogs. True fans like us know exactly how it feels and are used to it. The first round had a lot of pressure because we were the favorite. Imagine the headlines if we didn't win? 57 wins, first round bye bye! Same old Clippers with a racist on top!!!! Blah, Blah. I am so glad pressure is dying down and the focus is about winning basketball.
Done think "they just roll the balls out". If with Brooks as their coach, they will make adjustments. Expect a different game tonight.
My argument was that with the MVP festivities yesterday, they had less time to watch tape, gameplan, practice, etc...
I think they will be motivated to play hard for Durant. Westbrook especially, he will have a big game to silence the critics ripping for walking away from that huddle. I expect to see a much different Thunder team tonight.
Maybe, but even IF they did have less time, expect a different game tonight with adjustments. Will their adjustments (and ours) be enough to get them (or us) a victory, we'll find out tonight.
I give no damn about MVP festivities. That will light a fire under your ass at most to hustle harder, but it's not going to change that Brooks is a bad coach and that Westbrook is trigger happy. Even if Durant goes for 45+ points tonight we can still win. Just contain Westbrook, which shouldn't be hard with Paul on him to cause turnovers and make his life difficult. And Westbrook did shoot pretty efficiently Monday night, let's see if he can do it back to back games.
AND our starters got to rest for the second half of the game almost and we will come out just as strong again. We will weather any storm with "Thunder" and win this series. 4-1 Clippers or 4-2 Clippers. No Game 7 needed
BTW can we wear the red jerseys tonight? I feel like we're dissing their fans cause we're wearing the EXACT same color. If I knew nothing about basketball, I'd be really conflicted Cheering the White but Repping the Blue, that's like a slap in the face to the Thunder fans. And I have respect for their fans, they got screwed almost as much as Clipper fans, first trading Harden for trash, and then Scot BROOKS??!!! At least we cleaned up our act.
Hell no, if that franchise wants to be stupid enough to make their fans wear our colors, let them.
If it takes a lame, Hallmark-card-esque MVP speech and crocodile tears to get the Thunder to play hard, they have issues.
I hope that tonight Blake will have the mindset of "Durant's the MVP? Well, I'm a top 3-5 player too. Here's why." I predict he's going to have a huge game.
The franchise should have enough sense to pick a certain color. I would have given orange shirts just like Golden State gave out Yellow Shirts
If Scott Brooks has an adjustment that can stop the Cp3 Pick N Roll at the 3 to the
DJ Lob he needs Coach of the year.
Not because it can't be done, but he just doesn't have the personnel to do it.
The reason this works to perfection is because Blake is such an incredible
passer for a PF. The only solution is to leave Matt Barnes open for Corner
3's all game.
And I guess you live and die with that. But even then it still requires
perfect rotations From Durant to box out DJ.
I don't think many of us understand how utterly genius of a gameplan
Doc and staff has drawn up offensively.
I have dissected it numerous times and there is nothing that
can be done about it unless you have 2 Superior defenders at
the 2-3 position that will rotate.
Which the warriors had in Klay and Iggy, and even then it was
damn near impossible to stop.
I think we should keep wearing the blue jerseys. If I'm not mistaken, we're 2-1 when wearing them in the playoffs. We're still winless in the reds. Not that I'm superstitious or anything, haha.
We won the only game we wore the red, Game 7!
BTW check out Doc, looks like we're looking good at shoot around cause he's in a good mood... http://www.nba.com/clippers/video/playlist/nba-playoffs-round-2-videos


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