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, 0 fe. n I 1 SAENDH Jm1 WW II U )y ACADEMY ps IlKb V V J Ld LyJ UJ IV J L J U LJ JL )) V)VJJ coegE VOL. III. . OGDEN, UTAH. FRIDAY, APRIL 25, 1919. v Girls flie church authorities have finally recognized our need and at a recent meeting announced a plan of raiding funds for its erection. Under this plan the church will give a dollar for every dollar raised up to $75,000 or $100,000. This means that a fully equipped gym, valued at approximately $200,000, will be built here. The suggestion as outlined by the church was unanimously adopted at a meeting of the" officers of the three stakes Weber, Ogden and North Weber an effective campaign to raise the necessary funds will soon be under way. It is planned to rush this campaign in order that the gym may be ready by next fall if possible. A new era nf ":r: ri:y aac1. process 'lies bctore Weber and with a suitable gymnasium we look for big things in the future. e for a Event Opens With Rush Program 12:00 Midnight Girls' Day Began 9:00 Regular Class Work 12:00 Big Program In Devotional 12:45 Girls Serve Luncheon 2:00 All Aboard for "San" 8:30 Grand Ball at Weber Lillian Thatcher's Orchestra (Girls Association Editor, Ruth Evans) Dav OGDEN WINS RICH CONTEST Beware! At 12 o'clock last night the Annual Girls' Day began and it ' will last until 12 tonight. Everything will be arranged and managed by the girls, so please remember, boys, and hold your places. You will go to your regular classej at 8:50, with the exception of theology, which will be abandoned for one day. Each period will be cut .l.tL-ei. minutes nun by I- noon you will be ready to hear from the girls. The initial joy-maker is a big program in devotional in which the talented members of the school may give vent to their feelings. It is as follows: FAMOUS ANGELICA SINGERS Lottie Hammer, Luella Nicholas, Cora Mortensen GYM AT LAST A CERTAINTY Urgent Need for a Gymnasium Is Finally Recognized by Authorities. WILL COST ABOUT $200,000 Work Will Be Rushed and Completion of Building Expected by Fall. After numerous disappointments, Weber's dream of a gymnasium is about to be realized. Van Dyke Takes Second; Kasius and Storey Tie for Third. The outcome of the Rich oratorical contest this year was practically a repetition of last year, Ogden High receiving first honors and Weber being awarded second and third places. Miss Catherine Becker of Ogden spoke on "The League of Nations." for which she was awarded first place. Derrah Van Dyke treated the subject, "American Ideals," in a very commendable manner and was given second place. Karl Storey and William Kasius tied for third with "Americanism" and "The New Education" as their respective subjects. Mr. Storey's delivery was excellent, as was also his subject, and in the opinion of many he should have been awarded first place. William Kasius' oration was very, unique, as the title suggests. The'' contest was extremely close and it was very difficult for the audience to decide just who had won. The deeision. though not relished by many Weber students, seemed to meet the approval of the majority. However. Ogdcn's representative received fou: points; Van Dyke, eight, and Kasiu-and Storey ten. Dr. Edward I. Rich has proved himself a friend of the students and one of Ogdcn's progressive citizens in making these contests possible. They are of great benefit to those taking part and tend to keep alive inter-school activities. Let us hope that next year we will be able to reverse the decision of the judges and bring the honors to Weber. READING By Miss Marsh GIRLS' ASS'N A BIG SUCCESS April 13, 1917, witnessed the first Girls' Day at Weber, and as it was a wonderful success it was decided to establish a permanent organization and have an annual day for the girls. At an early date this school year, a meeting was held which was attended by all the fair sex. Our popular vice president of last year, Lettie Ririe, was unanimously elected president of the association, with Oa Jacobs, vice president; Bernice Randall, secretary and treasurer; Ruth Evans as Herald reporter; Effic Kasius, athletic manager, and Luella Nicholas as ycllmaster. Several parties and entertainments have been given, at which many have participated. These entertainments were staged not only for amusements, but for the purpose of raising money. This was accomplished, but our enormous sums will rapidly disappear when we treat the boys today. Boys, the girls have shown you many good times this year and they mean to do it today. The least you can do is to be good sports and help make it a big success. The girls will ask for the dates and they would lik a little encouragement when they are working up nerve enough to ask you for your company. Be game enough to go with the one that you are paired off with. Of course, we realize there are not enough Yenuses to go around, but then you are not all Doug Fairbanks: so make it a fifty-fifty proposition and meet them half way. SOLO By Mary Woolley CONCERT By Ukalele Club ONE-ACT FARCE Mysterious Fudge Party The great, thrilling, epoch-making event of the morning will be the presentation of ""ri - Mysterious Finite 1'arty." the set j.ig of which will be laid in the kitch.n of the Weber Normal College. But wait a minute! Keep your hair on! That isn't all! The eats are yet to come. KnO'ving that the surest way to a man's heart is through his stomach, the girls are going to furnish you with home- rade lunch, just like mother used to make. There will be sandwiches, pickl' S, pie, candy and peanuts. No. don't worry about the money for it is the girls' treat. O DANCE TO BE BEST OF YEAR Everybody has dates for tonight, we hope. If you haven't there is only one thing left to do that's to get one. We girls are tclbng the world that tonight the niftiest dance of the year will happen at Weber and that isn't half the girls are giving it. Lillian will be there with her jazz orchestra and wil! pound out everything from the Hula to the latest hit. "Mickey." If anyone gets heated or hungry, everything in the tine of eats and "drinks" that is vilhin the law can be had. The hall will lie decorated with spring flowers not wall flowers, we hope and the school colors, purple and white. There will also be a huge booth in which the dainty little freshmen will dish out punch and make eyes at the mighty Seniors. After you have your "annual" a! the sanitarium in the afternoon, you will all be keyed up for a large time and we will be ready to show you one. too. that you won't be likely to forget in a day. That nifty little stepper that you have been wanting to meet all year will be there and she "might" ask you for a dance. Oh, yes, boys, don't forget that the girls have the pick of the dances and we will see how you like to be worrying whether you will be the belle or the century plant. Anyway, you want to be there when the orchestra starts playing tonight about half past eight. Now don't be late. boy! Remember also that the punch is always served in the fountains. The girls will then pack their grips and will invite the boys to join them in a journey to the "San." Here's that opportunity you've been looking for the chance to teach her to swim. Just one little plea, boys. When you see the girls coming toward you wit': Hujhed checks d,iu shaky kntc don't turn and head for spots unknown, but make it as easy as possible for them to ask you to escort them to the dance. Just remember that it is all in the game and just for a little fun. You had better treat them cordially for they have the choice of partners at the dance, and even though you may be an Apollo, you may find yourself decorating the walls in an attractive, but lonesome manner. Treat 'em nice, boys. They are wearing the trousers for once. ANNUAL WASH TO BE AT "SAN Directly after lunch the student body and faculty of Weber will leave for the "San" on the two o'clock car. This is to be one of the big events of the day and it is unnecessary to say that everyone will be there. The Sanitarium is an ideal place to spend the afternoon of the annual girls' day, for not only will many have the privilege of taking their yearly bath, but will have the pleasure of hiking up the mountains and engaging in various contests. Perhaps the first thing on the program will be the swim. The outside pool will be opened for this occasion and with the two inside pools there will be plenty of room for all. Swimming and diving contests will be the main attractions. However, the boys will provide their own amusement in maltreating the helpless damsels and in feasting their eyes upon the many rainbow-colored suits worn by the fair sex. It is evident that one of the laws of health that of bathing from twenty to thirty minutes will be broken today and a large proportion of the afternoon will be spent in the water Later games and athletic contests will be indulged in. Childhood games, such as "run sheep, run," "kick the can." "hide and seek," could be played with great success in the mountains if it were not for the fact that the nooks and crannies would prove too great an attraction for many couples. A few races and athletic contests will i VALEDICTORIAN ! IS CHOSEN Derrah Van Dyke Is Selected by Graduation Committee for the Position. HONOR MEN ALSO CHOSEN Karl Storey, David McKay and Lettie Ririe Are Named On Honor Roll. Derrah Van Dyke has been chosen by the graduation committee to deliver the valedictory address at the commencement exercises of the Senior class. The committee also announces the selection of Karl Storey. David McKay and Lettie Ririe as honor students. The basis upon which the selections were made was character, scholarship and participation in student activities, and as each of the students named have the necessary qualifications, the selections made by the judges will no doubt meet with the approval of all. Van Dyke is another proof of that saying, "Good things come in small packages." , His participation in school and class activities and his record as a scholar, together with his sterling character, entitle bii, i-G ilm. coveted position. Derrah was the winner of the extemporaneous speaking contest medal last year and recently represented the school in oratory.Karl Storey has been one of the big men of Weber and has made a name for himself by his energetic work. Quiet and unassuming, he has nevertheless been active in school affairs as is attested by his record orator, public speaking, class and student body secretary and treasurer and debator. David McKay is the editor of the Acorn and has also been prominent as a worker, being connected with the orchestra for a number of years and also representing the class in debating and oratory. Few girls have enjoyed the popularity that has been accorded Lettie Ririe. Her ability as a leader has been proven by her efficient handling of the different offices in which she has been placed. Besides her class work, she has been exchange editor of the Herald and is now president of the Girls' Association and vice president of the student body. Work has begun on the arrangement of the commencement exercises and wil! no doubt be ready for announcement in a short time. HELP WANTED! The attitude taken by the Weber student body reminds one of an 1. W. W. principle a whole lot for nothing.Response to the Herald's call fur stories and snapshots has been very poor and if not more interest is shown, the plan of issuing a h.rgr edition will be abandoned. If you want a good paper to complete your files, with a summary of all school and class events and lilb'd with plenty of cuts, show some life. It's up to you. be "pulled off" among the various classes, however. This promises to be a very successful afternoon, so everyone be ready to embark for the "San" today at two o'clock.
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|Weber Herald (Weber, Utah), 1919-02-25, Vol. 3, No. 9
|Weber Normal College
|Associated Students of Weber Normal College; A generous grant from the Utah State Library and the Institute of Museum and Library Services.
|Weber's first student newspaper, the Weber Herald, ran from 1917 to 1935.
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Weber Normal College
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|Publisher Digital
|Stewart Library, Weber State University
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|University Archives LD5893.W55 S5, Stewart Library, Weber State University
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"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
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Thanks MJ-Bulls for the picture.
I know people will hate this, but RG3 has to be considered
3146 total yards, 22 total TDs, only 4 picks. 104.6 QB rating, 67.5% completion percentage with the highest yards per attempt in the league currently.
He has a case thats all im saying
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Now Brady is the better QB. If I was building a team I would rather have a QB with Brady's skill set over Manning. I would not want Brady himself cause I cant stand his pompous ego but he is the better of the 2 and should win the MVP this year.
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If Redskins make playoffs then RG3 will get some votes but not win MVP.
Only way he actually wins is if he continues this pace and plays lights out for the last 5 games.
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I think its between Peyton and Arodg.
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People have to remember the Broncos went to the playoffs last year without Peyton and even beat the Steelers. Its not like he had to pick up a team that won 4 games last year.
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When FIU survived No. 6 Louisville's attempt at rout-by-slow-bloodletting, the defending national champions fell back upon blowout basics: a swift, blinding blast of defense, three-pointers and dunks.
And so did the Panthers see a close game with 2:59 left in the first half begin rocketing toward the eventual 85-56 loss to Louisville in front of 3,361 at U.S. Century Bank Arena on Saturday night.
Louisville senior guard Russ Smith led all scorers with 18 points on 6-of-12 shooting, including 4 of 7 from three-point range.
Senior forward Tymell Murphy led FIU in scoring with 16 points, and fifth-year senior Rakeem Buckles, playing against his former school, had 13 points and a game-high nine rebounds.
But Buckles also went 4 for 17 from the field and had four turnovers.
"I did a bad job of shot selection and forced a lot of shots," Buckles said. "I don't think it was them. I think offensively, we did some bad things."
Louisville puts pressure on opponent's guards.
FIU freshman point guard Jason Boswell ended the game with five turnovers.
Starting shooting guard Dennis Mavin finished with six.
FIU had 20 turnovers as a team to Louisville's 10 and shot 18 of 54 from the field.
"I think their depth wore us down a bit," FIU coach Anthony Evans said after Louisville dusted FIU 22-0 in bench points in the first half, 30-5 for the game.
After a basket-and-foul three-point play by Murphy got FIU within one at 10-9, Louisville ran off the next 13 points in almost painstaking manner.
Or, possibly, it just felt that way because the Cardinals did it without converting the defensive stops and turnovers into bushels of points. It was more a methodical possession-by-possession execution.
In fact, for the game, Louisville led FIU only 5-4 in fast-break points.
But, down 27-13, FIU went on its own steady push.
"We just kept our composure," Murphy said. "We got into the game, we slowed them down and took our time in our offense."
A Buckles three-pointer got the deficit to single digits, 28-20. A few possessions later, Dennis Mavin's three-pointer cut the lead to 28-23. A Chane Behanan power dunk was answered by Murphy spinning around Tim Henderson to kiss a shot off the glass: 30-25 with 2:59 left in the first half.
Going into halftime having gotten off the floor to sock it to Louisville somewhat would've been a boost to FIU's already buoyant spirits. The defending champs never let the Panthers get there.
Montrezl Harrell made one of two free throws. Williams missed a jumper. Mavin missed two free throws.
Smith drained a three-pointer. Mavin missed a three-pointer, then Buckles traveled. Henderson dropped in a three-pointer.
Boswell missed a jumper, and Louisville's Chris Jones grabbed the rebound with just enough time to race upcourt and feed Harrell for an alley-oop dunk at the horn.
Suddenly, the 14-point lead was restored and, like a restored 1966 High Country Mustang, worth more this time around.
FIU never threatened after that, falling behind 48-29 just 4:34 into the second half.
"I thought we were taking quick shots, ill-advised shots," Evans said.
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Hurm. I like the direction. Geigerriffic clearly. I like the Iron Maiden-y candy coated shell on Pinhead. The constriction/vision blocking feeds into personal phobias. The female is a little generic and the last one is kinda trite/video-gamey. The thing I liked about the original designs is the 'butcher's apron' leathers. The Cenobites had that ready for wetwork feel to them. A simple hosedown and they were off to dinner at mom's. These are a little too sterile/metallic. It's a nice start, but with this project stalled(yet again) it may amount to nothing. It's certainly better than 'babyface' Pinhead from that latest d-to-dvd travesty.
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The Ward isnt a bad movie. Its not a great movie, either. I wouldnt say its a return to form for John Carpenter because it never really feels like a John Carpenter movie to begin with. It feels like something closer to the current crop of horror directors that do a workmanlike job but dont really add any heart or flavor to the mix and primarily get all their scares through fake outs and loud noises. Gone are the synthesized stylings of Carpenters musical palate and gone is the slow burn towards unimaginable horror he used to be so well known for. One thing this movie comes complete with, however, is a big old twist at the end in the vain of Identity, Shutter Island and The Sixth Sense. One that is supposed to make you want to go back to the beginning with your knowledge of the twist to see if the film carries the twist logically and to make sure the movie doesnt cheat. I havent done that yet (and Im not sure that Im going to) because the twist is at once so telegraphed and yet so out of left field that, if its delved into too deeply, it might ruin any goodwill the film engenders anyway. To do this review justice, I have to talk about the twist and what it means to the narrative, so skip to the last paragraph if you dont want to be spoiled.


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Canadian experimental singer-songwriter whose greatest popularity was in the 1970s. Once described as the Yang to Bob Dylan's Yin, equaling him in richness and profusion of imagery, Mitchell, like her 1960s contemporary, turned pop music into an art form.
Mitchell studied commercial art in her native Alberta before moving to Toronto in 1964 and performing at local folk clubs and coffeehouses. After a brief marriage to folksinger Chuck Mitchell, she relocated to New York City, where in 1967 she made her eponymous debut album (also known as Songs to a Seagull). Produced by David Crosby, this concept album was acclaimed for the maturity of its lyrics.
With each successive release, Mitchell gained a larger following, from Clouds (which in 1969 won a Grammy Award for best folk performance) to the mischievous euphoria of Ladies of the Canyon (1970) to Blue (1971), which was her first million-selling album. By the early 1970s Mitchell had branched out from her acoustic base to experiment with rock and jazz, with The Hissing of Summer Lawns (1975) marking her transition to a more complex, layered sound. Whereas earlier albums were more confessional in their subject matter, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, on which she satirized the role of the 1970s housewife, showed Mitchell's movement toward social observation. Although she had a number of pop hits, especially in 1970 with Big Yellow Taxi and Woodstock (this song about the famous festival spawned three hit cover versions by other artists), Mitchell's impact was as a long-term album artist. With its carefully precise yet improvisational feel, her music is at times difficult to listen to. She does not opt for straight melody or satisfying conclusions. My music is not designed to grab instantly. It's designed to wear for a lifetime, to hold up like a fine cloth, she once said.
With Hejira (1976) and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (1977), she continued to disregard commercial considerations, while Mingus (1979) was considered by many as beyond the pale. An album that began as a collaboration with the jazz bassist Charles Mingus ended up as a treatment of his themes after his death. Mitchell moved ever further beyond her own experience, delving not only deeper into jazz but also into black history; the album was as much a voice for the dispossessed as it was a biography of Mingus. Though fans were confused, Mingus remains a brave homage that does not fit neatly into either the rock or jazz genre.
Having proved that she could make commercially successful albums and win critical acclaim, Mitchell became a prestige artist. Moreover, because her songs had become hits for others, she was a source of considerable publishing revenue for her record companies. As a result, they went along with her musical experiments. After Mingus, however, Mitchell stood back a little from the pop world. From the beginning of her career she had illustrated her own album covers, so it was not surprising that in the 1980s she began to develop her visual art, undecided about whether to concentrate more on painting or music.
Although not as prolific as in the 1960s and '70s, Mitchell continued to create penetrating, imaginative music, from the Thomas Dolby-produced Dog Eat Dog (1985) to the more reflective Night Ride Home (1991) and the Grammy Award-winning Turbulent Indigo (1994). Having dealt with international political and social issues such as Ethiopian famine on Dog Eat Dog, she returned, by the early 1990s, to more personal subject mattersinging about true love, for instance, on Turbulent Indigo. One of the first women in modern rock to achieve enviable longevity and critical recognition, Mitchell has been a major inspiration to everyone from Dylan and Prince to a later generation of female artists such as Suzanne Vega and Alanis Morissette. Although she regularly collaborated with producers and arrangerssuch as Jaco Pastorius, Mike Gibbs, and Larry KleinMitchell maintained coproducer credit and always had control over her material. Her songs have been covered by a range of stars, including Dylan, Fairport Convention, Judy Collins, Johnny Cash, and Crosby, Stills and Nash. Though unworried about pop chart trends, in 1997 she enjoyed major success with a new, young audience when Janet Jackson sampled from Mitchell's Big Yellow Taxi for the massive hit Got 'Til It's Gone. In 1997 she published a new collection of her work, entitled Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics. That year she was also inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency this week released the third draft of the Energy Star 2.0 specification for servers, which is expected to be finalized on Nov. 9.
The specification is expected to be implemented in servers on Aug. 13 next year, according to the draft specification documents. The new specification is the successor to Energy Star 1.0 for servers that went into effect in May 2009. Companies like Hewlett-Packard, Dell, and IBM offer servers that qualify under the Energy Star 1.0 specification guidelines.
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The Energy Star program is widely used in PCs, monitors, light bulbs, refrigerators, and dozens of other products, with servers being a recent addition. The Energy Star specification rates power-efficient products and helps customers make effective purchase decisions. Products are typically identified with an Energy Star label.
The first version of Energy Star for servers that went into effect in 2009 took basic rack and tower server configurations into account and set up guidelines for future specifications. The Energy Star 2.0 specification currently under consideration covers server types and processor technologies not considered in the first specification.
For example, Energy Star 2.0 now covers blade servers, which were left out of the first version due to the complexity involved in defining the configuration of blades, which are highly scalable depending on processing needs. The new specification also covers GPUs (graphics processors), which are being increasingly used in data centers to speed up math and scientific tasks. GPUs were not prominent in servers at the time of the Energy Star 1.0 specification, and now some of the world's fastest computers deploy clusters that combine CPUs with GPUs for fast task execution. Also being taken into account in the new Energy Star specification are the power-efficiency attributes of storage systems inside servers.
Server architecture has also been changing over the years, with many server vendors installing proprietary technology to manage, monitor, and cap server power usage. HP, for example, has installed sensors and embedded hardware in its latest Proliant Gen8 servers to identify overutilized servers based on location, power, workload, and temperature data. System administrators can redirect workloads from overutilized servers to other systems to ensure data centers are operating at peak efficiency. Dell has also implemented similar technology in its new PowerEdge servers.
Energy Star for servers could be important given that servers are progressively consuming more of the nation's power, and given that half of the data center costs are tied to power and cooling, said Nathan Brookwood, principal analyst for Insight 64.
"It's setting standards and helping people understand what power requirements are," Brookwood said. "The more you can do to nudge people to be sensitive in power efficiency is better for customers and country as a whole."
Enterprises are looking to squeak out maximum performance from servers based on workloads and time of the day, Brookwood said. Hardware is becoming more power efficient, but enterprises are also trying to keep power consumption low when the servers are idle.
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The Laclede Group is teaming with the Building Technologies Division of Siemens Industry Inc. to launch Spire natural gas fueling solutions.
Natural gas as a transportation fuel is significantly less expensive on average than equivalent gallons of gasoline or diesel. A typical transit agency can reduce fuel costs by up to 30% using compressed natural gas in place of diesel. That equals $12,000 savings per year per bus.
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LOS ANGELES -- A death row inmate told relatives and a criminal profiler he killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman while O.J. Simpson waited nearby, a new documentary claims.
O.J. Simpson was tried and acquitted in the June 12, 1994, stabbing deaths of his ex-wife and her friend, although the actor and football legend was found liable in a civil wrongful death trial.
Glen Rogers, who has been sentenced to death for murdering women in Florida and California, was arrested in November 1995 -- a month after Simpson's murder trial ended -- and charged with killing five women in several states. He told investigators at the time that he had killed at least 70 women, police said.
"I'm absolutely certain that my brother Glen killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman," said Clay Rogers, who narrated the film "My Brother The Serial Killer," which will debut on the Investigation Discovery channel Wednesday. "I know my brother did it because I've seen proof that he was there."
Fred Goldman, the father of Ronald Goldman, immediately rejected the film's contention.
"The overwhelming evidence at the criminal trial proved that one, and only one, person murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman," Goldman said in a statement to CNN. "That person is O.J. Simpson and not Glen Rogers."
"The fact that O.J. Simpson was acquitted was a travesty of justice that tarnished the criminal justice system," he said. "Now every guilty person prays to the altar of O.J. Simpson for deliverance from their crimes. A [hundred thousand] screaming Glen Rogers, packed in the Los Angeles Coliseum, all confessing in unison, would not absolve O.J. Simpson of the murders he committed."
Ronald Goldman's sister lashed out at the Investigation Discovery channel and film producers.
"I am appalled at the level of irresponsibility demonstrated by the network and the producers of this so-called documentary," Kim Goldman told CNN. "I'm disappointed at the way this story was handled. Is this a confession?"
David Monaghan, the film's producer, did not immediately respond to a CNN request for comment on Goldman's criticism.
A spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department said the department would investigate Rogers' claims but does not believe he was involved in Simpson and Goldman's killings.
"The LAPD is quite confident that we know who killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. We have no reason to believe that Mr. Rogers was involved," Commander Andrew Smith said. "Nevertheless, in the interest of being thorough in this case, our robbery homicide detectives will investigate his claims."
Much of the documentary's support for the claim that Rogers killed Simpson and Goldman came from statements he purportedly made to his brother.
Glen Rogers was a drifter in 1994 when he arrived in Los Angeles after the Northridge earthquake to work on a repair crew, according to the film. One job took him to Simpson's house as a painter, it said.
"Glen told me, when he called, 'Guess who I'm partying with? Nicole Simpson,'" Rogers said, describing a call he said happened just a few days before the killings. "Actually, what he told me, he says, 'They got money, they're well off and I'm taking her down.'"
The brother also claims that Glen Rogers took a gold angel pin off of Simpson's lifeless body and mailed it to his mother in Ohio the next day. Their mother wore the pin, at her son's request, at one of his murder trials, Rogers said.
Criminal profiler Anthony Meoli, who exchanged dozens of letters with Glen Rogers and visited him on death row, said Rogers explained to him that O.J. Simpson had hired him to break into his ex-wife's condo to steal diamond earrings he had given her.
"Glen told me that O.J.'s instructions were that 'You may have to kill the bitch,'" Meoli said. "Those were his exact words."
Simpson told him about a spare key to the condo hidden outside the door, according to Meoli's description of Rogers' account. The attack happened on steps outside, though, when Goldman unexpectedly arrived, he said.
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MOUNTAIN HOUSE — Short on funding, the members of the Lammersville Unified School District Governing Board must prioritize the five remaining structures in the final phase of construction at Mountain House High School.
Superintendent Kirk Nicholas told board members Wednesday night that they might have to choose among a pool, a theater, a library and buildings for vocational education and sports equipment storage. All together, they would cost $32 million.
"There are some projects we want to finish and don't have the money for," Nicholas said. "An important decision will have to be made soon."
He said the third and final phase of construction of the high school on Mustang Boulevard is expected to be done by December 2014.
The district expects to have $10 million to $15 million remaining in the high school budget at the end of phase two, which could be used for one or two of the options, said school Principal Ben Fobert.
"We have the money, it's just which ones do we want to go first," he said.
Fobert said the cost of the remaining high-ticket items is about $3 million for the pool, $8 million for the library, $12 million for the theater and $8 million for the vocational building.
He said one option would be to put up a temporary library and build a permanent one later.
As for the pool, Fobert noted that water sports had been at the top of the students' wish list.
To help the district find more money for phase three, a representative of Capital Public Finance Group gave a brief presentation at the meeting.
She said the key was to be creative, using the remaining $10 million to $12 million as a starting point.
Her ideas included creating a partnership with a local company and reviewing the mitigation agreement with the project's developer.
"Overall it's about developing a plan," she said.
The board agreed to let Capital work on a possible solution.
To try to get more money into the district, Nicholas also recommended the creation of a nonprofit foundation to accept large donations. He said one corporation requested a nonprofit to offer its donation to the high school.
Board member Shane Nielson suggested having a community meeting to get resident input on the five projects, but the board agreed with Matthew Balzarini, who advised waiting for input from Capital.
Residents will be given the first opportunity to see the high school campus on Nov. 16 as part of a community tour program from 10 a.m. to noon.
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In an unsourced article, the Corriere said the head of Fiat and Chrysler Sergio Marchionne could announce the agreement at the Detroit auto show, which kicks off on Monday.
Under the agreement, off-road vehicles under the Jeep brand will be produced at GAC's Canton factory, the paper said.
Fiat, which declined to comment the report, already has a joint venture with GAC.
The agreement does not envisage moving any jobs from Chrysler's main Jeep factory in Toledo, Ohio, the Corriere said.
In October, Marchionne said Jeep production would not be moved from the United States to China.
Fiat is betting on strong demand for its Jeep not just in the United States but also in foreign markets such as Russia, India and China.
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Update on Curly Redwood/Balsa project
I've had a bad cold and been out since Sat. I dragged myself down to the shop, because these must get moving along.
Today the pieces were too large to take time to take pictures while actually assembling, but the process has already been established.
I added 2 more balsa pieces and the 2 half T-Bands. They are half because one side is redwood facing balsa and the other side is basswood facing (yet to be assembled) Curly Redwood.
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In my opinion, if you found and started pumping water from an underground aquifer, you didn't homestead the entire aquifer but only the daily flow of water which you extract from it. However I think when you find a natural gas field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_field) at the sea, you homestead the entire field. Although both of these natural resources are underground treasures, I think homesteading rules should be different for them. That's because it takes huge amount of money and efforts to find a natural gas field, whereas aquifers are a lot easier to find. In addition, water is a basic thing that humans need in order to survive, whereas gas is not. What do you think?
It is the cost of resource extraction that prevents others from homesteading the same natural resources. And that is a good thing. Homesteading is base upon using the property exclusively and to have homesteading rights over an entire aquifer that person would have to use the entire aquifer and make the ability of others to use it prohibitively expensive. When you homestead a property by placing a well or other extraction device accessing a natural resource then you do not homestead the entire natural resource and you may have others homesteading the same resource. This is also true for the natural gas well out in the ocean. So absent any societal conventions the only economic difference is the difficulty/cost of accessing and taking advantage of the resource. I understand that there could be societal conventions and some of these conventions may/will treat natural gas differently than they treat clean water and those differences would be up to arbitration to determine which are valid and which are not.
Not exactly. There is more to homesteading than just getting some thing out of the ground. A homesteader would have to have the equipment to get the gas, install the equipment and have the pipelines to move it. Neither of those are free and you would need to cross the property of others who may/will require payment for your tresspass. But most importanly, the homesteader, or anybody else, would need a customer to pay for the end product.


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Willdabeats & Hook Jr began their musical careers the way all musicians did, by messing around with a bunch of friends and doing half-assed covers of Nirvana tunes in Mom's attic.
In the year 2012, the two had moved into the world of electronic dance music and discovered their true calling, and decided to shift gears and start taking themselves seriously. The first result was Sound Transportation System, their 8-track debut album, spanning the genres of Drumstep, Dubstep, Glitch Hop, and Electro House alike.
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Brock Lesnar's UFC career ended on Friday night at UFC 141 after a TKO loss to new No. 1 contender Alistair Overeem.
Following the fight, a somber Lesnar said his mind was made up before he ever stepped foot in the Octagon that if he lost that would be the end of the road for him.
The end of the fight came just minutes into the bout as Overeem continuously punished Lesnar's midsection, and finally a kick came crashing into his ribs that signaled it was all over.
After the fight, Lesnar was receiving medical attention and couldn't attend the UFC 141 post fight press conference, but UFC president Dana White spoke to him briefly about the nature of his injuries.
"A lot of people don't realize what that feels like. He said, 'I think my rib's broken; I don't know what a broken rib feels like, but if it hurts worse than this I don't want to feel it,'" White revealed from his conversation with Lesnar.
The Nevada State Athletic Commission will release a medical suspension report in the coming days that may reveal more information about the nature of Lesnar's injuries.
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Be that as it may, if Friday was Lesnar's final fight in the UFC and in mixed martial arts, the lifelong athlete now has a lot of time on his hands.
Prior to his time in the UFC, Lesnar was of course a star in the world of professional wrestling, specifically in the WWE, where he served as champion on several different occasions.
While Lesnar has never publicly stated that he ever had intentions of going back to pro wrestling, the question was still raised after UFC 141 because if fighting is behind him, what could be next for the massive heavyweight?
"I mean, when he retires, he retires under contract," White said. "I've had my moments with Brock Lesnar, but I've had a great relationship with him. We'll figure it out, no big deal. Never had a situation with a guy where we haven't done the right thing."
From the sound of things, Lesnar would remain a contracted UFC employee, but White also pointed to the fact that he's obviously leaving the company on good terms.
Whether he'd even want to attempt a return to pro wrestling remains to be seen.
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Brock retired under contract with the WWE. We saw how that worked out. Courts don't like non-compete clauses like they used to.
From how Brock's acted with family stuff I wouldn't think he'd go back to being a WWE regular, but I wouldn't surprised if he came, and went. They really wanted Brock, and the Undertaker at last years wrestlemania. The next one is about 4 months away. Might be interesting to see what Vince tries to do.
If he does go back to doing WWE, it'll only be part-time. I remember him saying how he hated the schedule they had, so I don't see him realistically going back full-time. I don't think he should fight anymore. If he did fight again, who's really betting he'll win?
At the end of the day, he fought some of the best, but he won the title from a 40 something Randy Couture, and he beat Frank Mir, a guy known for wilting easily as well when a guy better than him is beating him up.
Best of luck to him in whatever he does, because he'll never be world champion again in the UFC.
Brock Lesnar was never the best Heavyweight in MMA.
No disrespect intended, but I was hoping for this outcome. I really believed he couldn't hang with a real HW in MMA, and he only used his massive size to beat people. Mir & Couture were much smaller than Brock, but Overeem is a big boy with much better striking than Brock.
Brock is not an MMA fighter, and the more fights he took on just proved it. Had he been forced to go thru the ranks when he came to the UFC (like everyone else) he would have never even made it to a title shot. At that point in Mir's life, beating Mir was in no way a path to getting a title shot.
Let him go back to the WWE, or just plain retire. Whatever.
Now, let's get back to the world of MMA without the posers…
you start with "no disrespect" and end with "poser"… it seems you've lost your point somewhere along the way.
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In any event, you moron, you get the point. Back to spanking the monkety for you…
WTF are you talking about? "At that point in Mir's life, beating Mir was in no way a path to getting a title shot." Are you talking about Brocks 1st fight Vs. Mir? B/C Mir defeated Brock & then KTFO out of Nogueira & then he fought Brock again for the HW title @ UFC 100 – so fighting/beating Mir was a path to getting a title shot.
Listen I'm not a "Brock" fan or hater, but I give the guy ALOT of credit for wanting to fight the BEST – the WHO's Who in the "scarriest" division of any fighting organization, the HW division. Let's also not forget Brock has only trained MMA for 3 or 4 years, not to mention he's been out for almost 2 of those yrs, due to injury/illness.
Unlike many fighters, ESPECIALLY Fedor, Brock did not fight ANY Cans, nor has he ever turned down a fight. He embaressed Heath Herring in just his 2nd UFC fight, which was very impressive & then he beat Couture for the belt. YES Brock was bigger & stronger than Heath, Mir & Couture, but Brock was/still is a "NOOB". Not bad for a guy with just a wrestling background.
If you gave Brock, Carwins/Dos Santos or even Cains stand up & half the BJJ skill Mir possesses – Brock would have been almost unstoppable. Brock has the size, strength, power, speed, cardio, the work ethic & dedication, if only he had the stand up & some BJJ, he would have been a real force.
My point is Brock deserves alot of credit, he did beat some former champs & #1 contenders. He beat Couture, Mir, Carwin, & Heath Herring. size dont mean **** unless you have skill to go along with it, to say Brock only beat Randy & Mir b/c of size is stupid, especially Vs world class fighters like Couture & Mir…. did Brocks size help him out ALOT? Hell yeah, but for a guy with no real "training" in MMA when he fought Mir, takes MASSIVE NUTZ, regardless of how big & strong Brock is Vs his oponent.
@TKD….Brock a poser??? He held the heavyweight UFC title while you were typing comments on MMA sites. Who's the poser???
He was a poser and I mean it as disrespectfully as possible. TKD is completely right. Had this clown had to actually work his way up the ranks like anyone else he would have never, EVER been a UFC champion. And as for TKD typing on an mma site while Brock held his heavyweight title (because it was basically handed to him in a handbasket), TKD doesnt claim to be anything, Brock claimed to be a fighter which was clearly proven he was not.
Thanks, tsszaltax. You are smart enough to understand what I was saying. Again, sorry for posting that last comment that appeared to be to you. It was meant for garyfredericks.
Asswipe, I am not in the fight business, so I guess it makes sense that I am not a champion in the UFC.
That was not for you, tsszaltax. It was meant for garyfredericks.
np, I got ya on this one…..the meat heads are just mad their poster boy is gone. They'll be back to watching WWE in no time and wont have to worry about em even checking mma sites before too long.
It seems the poser found a friend. I rest my case. Hey, is that your Mom calling you for lunch? I think she made you guys tuna sandwiches….yay!
Not mad at all. Just silly when people think somebody can just walk in to the UFC and get a heavyweight title because of their celebrity…then post idiotic comments on the internet while hiding behind fake screen names like the little juvenile nipple suckers they are, that's all. Don't worry, you're not alone in this world. You guys are a dime a dozen.
Pricks, do people really not like Brock just cos he was in wwe? Who cares? Do u watch that crap anyway? The fact is that he was the UFC heavyweight champ and you can't do that without being a top quality fighter. And he only won cos he's big? Erm yeah, wouldn't you fight to your strengths too? The fact is the guy won the championship with minimal fight experience and you can't argue with that. Not too mention the fact that he's come through life threatening illness to fight again.
Okay, first of all, all he did was beat some dude outside the UFC that nobody ever heard of, lost a fight, beat a never was in Heath Herring, a WAAAAAAAAAAAY past his prime, over the hill Couture and was given the title. He did very very little to "earn" it. Secondly, Diverticulitis is NOT life threatening. Its a miserable infection yes, but its not even a "disease" like everyone is calling it. Its an infection of the intestines. They play it up like he's coming back from a brain tumor. Millions of millions of people suffer from diverticulitis attacks and they go back to their manual labor jobs within days, and yes, that includes the exact same surgery he had. Dont be mad he's gone, you'll be able to catch him on Raw Monday nights….LOL
Again, well said tsszaltax. Everything you said is on point and completely true. Don't expect many on here to agree with you because there are a lot of WWE guys that followed Lesnar here that knew little about MMA to begin with.
They can all rest easy knowing that he will be champ again in a place that can predetermine the outcome. He was out of his league in the UFC.
Haha, why are you so obsessed with the fact he was in wwf? The simple fact here is that Lesnar was neither the greatest nor the worst fighter the UFC has seen. Get over it, everyone else seems to have. Or did it affect you really hard when u found out wwf was fake, is that why you harbour such a grudge? And what are your thoughts on shamrock? And what about overeem getting a title shot after only one fight in the UFC? Sure he was strike force champ but he hardly ever defended it and when he did it was against lesser calibre opponents than Brock fought.
TOD, you and your boy are the biggest morons! Give him credit where credit is due! He was a champion! I never knew of Brock in WWE but knew about his college record of like 105-3. I would pay top dollar to watch u in the octagon with Brock.
Gee, if it wasn't for Dr. tsszaltax you would'nt have anything to post or nuts to swing from! He's so smart and thinks Diverticulitis is as simple as a wart removal from your little toe. Dumbasses.
I think Lesnar is a **** but I still have respect what he's done. You are quite blind to the fact Lesnar was an NCAA wrestler before cashing in at the WWF. You ever step in a ring or cage of any type for competition or on a wrestling mat my friend? Chances are you have not. It's safer and easier ripping on those that have left the comforts of mommy's basement and actually tried doing something.
I agree with everything you said except the stuff about diverticulitis. If you know anyone who has ever had it you know that it's a beast and it's NOT something that "millions and millions of people go back to their manual labor jobs in days" for. It cripples most people and keeps them out of their jobs for extended periods of time. I work with a woman who's husband has it and he has not been able to go back to his job as a police officer in over 18 months even though he's losing his mind laying on the couch all the time.
Brock needs to go out with one more fight and that should be Lesnar vs Mir 3!… and I cant wait to see alistair vs dos santos!
The Brock that showed up last night would not stand a chance against Mir a 3rd time. The hurt Carwin and Cain put on him definitely made him realize he wasn't invincible. And if that was Overeem at his best then JDS has nothing to worry about
Sucks, I was finally starting to warm up to him but the truth is, there really aren't many matchups after this loss that would have made him a headliner, for Brock it's either main event or nothing.
I guess I wasn't aware that randy was "Way,way past his prime" when he fought Brock.
He came off one of his more impressive wins vs. sylvia,(a huge guy obviously) and then finished Gonzaga (another large heavyweight) had a bit of a break and got Brock. No question he was the much smaller guy there, but there's a bunch of guys at heavyweight that are dwarfed by Brock.
After that fight with Brock randy lost to Nog, but then had 3 more wins.
Brock may have never made it through the ranks, but it might have had the opposite affect. Outside of Jon jones he probably has had the least time training. He may even have less if injury time is counted in.
Are the people bashing Brock saying he could never come through the ranks saying that there's a bunch of guys outside the top 10-15 that they would gamble on to beat him?if that's the case then I guess I understand that argument. If not it just seems like bashing to bash. I can understand that as well. Sometimes people just don't like people for no good reason.
I liked watching his fights simply to see an uncommon athlete compete. Nothing more, nothing less. Guess people had other reasons…
At last, some sense on here. The simple fact is that, like so so many fighters in the UFC, Brock was top 10 calibre but simply not good enough to be champ.
First off, you can't compare Brock's rise to Jon Jones' rise. Jon Jones had six dominating fights, seven if you count his DQ loss cuz he was beating the shit out of Matt Hamil. Lesnar had one dominating win against a joke fighter in Heath Herring. And that warrants a title fight. Yes he did beat Couture, who wasn't over the hill, but starting the decline of his career. Plus wrestler v wrestler the bigger guy will win 9 out of 10 times. Against Mir yes he dominated, and Mir is a top guy. On the same note stylistically the fight favored Brock. All he had to do is after the takedown not give him space. We saw what happens when Lesnar gives space against Mir. Then he got beat up by Carwin, and was saved by Carwin's card, or lack there of. Not taking anything away from his talents as a wrestler but he isn't a MMA fighter. If he fights again he needs to take a step back and learn other forms against like Bellator Heavyweights.
And for the record I think Overeem has JDS number. Power puncher v power striker. Either can finish the fight just like that, but I think overtake height and reach will be the difference maker.
Lesner is no fighter, never has been, never will be. He is all mouth and muscle. Dana's godsend for the HW division. Because Coutre was making the HW division of the UFC look like a bad joke. Randy is a true champion don't get me wrong here. But Dana had a 45 yr old 220 lber capable of cutting to 205 whipping his HW's in a division that boasts a 265lb weight limit.
Brock is a chump/bully, you see the evidence of it when he talks chit he can't back up. You see evidence of it when he gets tagged in the face then he immediatly back pedals and ducks and covers looking for a corner to collapse in.
Shame on Dana for promoting Brock as a fighter, for he is nothing of the sort and Dana should have known it. Just a business con to draw in a crowd and generate more money, not a competent attempt to legitimize his HW division.
Brock vs Herring? an out of shape HW that has nothing but size to his advantage. Brock held him to the ground for 15 minutes after one straight right hand. Failure to finish the guy was our first sign Brock is no fighter.
Subbed by Mir in a ankle lock, knee bar, whatever from a standing position not only reflects Mir's bjj skill, but shines a light on Brock's complete lack of martial art knowlege.
Ref should have stopped the fight in first round vs Carwin. Only reason Brock won that fight was because Shane amaturishly punched himself out in the 1st. Shane demonstrated superior striking, and neutralized Brock's wrestling. ANd showed us with a punch to the face, what a cowardly baby Brock is.
He beat Randy sure, but outweighed him by 80 lbs. Hardly a victory that demonstrates Brock's prowess. Now Coutre's victory of Tim Silvia surely does.
And then Cain comes along and shows us again what a wuss Brock is by whipping that azz as a much smaller opponent.
Brock is full of excuses and hides behind his family. Pff. I have no respect for this guy for there is nothing respectable about him. He invokes no fear in me. His wife is a lesbian, for she married a woman.
Brock is also a mental midget. Training in a closed camp where you have to be 250 or heavier to be a part of. Lotta good that did him. dumbass. It just shows his muscle mentality. I'm bigger, so I'm better. And yet his performance in the ufc clearly illustrates the opposite. Not to mention the UFC itself was a tool to show us that bigger does not mean better, or stronger. Gracie showed the world that truth through the UFC.
Brock said " the pain in my ribs is nearly more than I can take, if this isn't a broke rib, I don't want to feel one." WUSS!!!!
I've had a broken rib, and endured the pain of several kidney stones. Diverticulitis must be a walk in the park if Brock can handle it.
*******! Good ****** RIDDANCE!!!
Ah so funny! Yes we all know Brock wasn't the best fighter yadda yadda yadda etc. So Brock has no bjj knowledge? Yep well done again, I think we all agree on that one too. Ref should have stopped the carwin fight? Hmm possibly, but how many fights could you say that about and the fact is Brock still won. But a coward? That's just hilarious. Surely when u get punched in the face u back up? Would you just stand there? And he hides behind his family and is a "mental midget"? Wtf does that even mean? My favourite bit of your rant though was the "he invokes no fear in me" bit, that was classic. You must be proper nails, perhaps a bigger, badder version of Brock but, crucially, WITH a full compliment of BJJ, muay Thai skills etc. Can you let us know when you will be debuting in the octagon please? Thought not, now go to bed and let the grown ups have a sensible chat on here.
glad I could be of amusement to you 'elguapo'
Several fights could be argued that weren't stopped when they should have. The fight between Kimbo and Roy Nelson should have been stopped but Kimbo's notoriety kept that fight going. Been a while since I seen it but, Herb Dean left Kimbo neutralized in a mounted crucifix by Nelson for a minute or more while Nelson landed undefended blow after blow to his face. Props to Nelson for tolerating the blatant favoritism toward Kimbo,and the blatant unfavoritism towards himself. Also, amazing that Kimbo took it, and went back for more. A true heart of a fearless fighter.
Cowardly Brock, I stand by that statement. Not that Brock was ever put up to it in my knowlege, nor is the lack of him pursuing a street fight indicitive of cowardly behavior. But Kimbo fought in the streets, with few rules and little to no protection, that takes real courage. Competition in the Octagon offers a great deal of protection. There is only so much that can happen. It takes a great deal less courage to engage in, enough that even the cowardly can summon enough. And 400k win or lose is a powerful motivator, especially if all you have to do is cover up and wait for the ref to pull the guy off of you to save your hide.
"Surely when you get punch in the face you back up?" you say. Did you see the rest of the card? Did you see Cerrone back up when Diaz was tatttooing his face? Nope, he didn't even cover up. Brock on the other hand RAN from Carwin. If he wasn't in a cage he would have turned tail and bolted. As it was he collapsed in a heap and covered up, making 0 attempt to recover and reingage. And then Cain beat him down. And now Overeem.
And yeah, I'm tired of people using their family as an excuse for their actions. Because it's something nobody dares challenge, it's some kind of taboo to do so. YOu wanna quit, then quit. Leave the excuses out of it, and family out of it. Just say ' I've decided I need to dedicate my time elsewhere' or some such. Truth is Brock is too embarrased to take another whooping on TV, so he quits, and tells us he promised his family he would. He isn't half the man Cerrone is.
Mental midget, yeah, what's so hard to understand about that? Brock employed a poor game plan, and executes a poor training camp excluding anyone under 250, as if only HW's have any real skill or ability that can make him a better fighter. Quite frankly it's the opposite. Like Joe Rogan said, it's the smaller guys that execute better technique because they don't have superior strenght to rely on. If Brock was smart, and not blinded by his own impressive size, he would know that.
Brock invokes no fear in me. If Brock and either of the Diaz brothers were scheduled to fight, I'd put money on Diaz. A few punches to the face, or to inflict the smallest amount of pain and Brock folds. No winner there, strictly a whiner.
And I don't have to be proper nails ( whatever that means ) or bigger ( which is the opposite of what I've been saying ) or any version of Brock ( because any version of a coward is still a coward ) to express my opinion or fact. I don't have to enter in the ufc to prove Brock's impossibility to be a fighter, or any credentials for me to critique his utter lack of performance to you.
I'm actually smaller than Brock ( not many can say otherwise ) and would love to have the opportunity to fight in the UFC or Strikeforce or many other organizitions. If you want to support my medical needs and training, I'll be more than happy to oblige you.
As for implying I'm up past my bed time or that you are far superior to me that I should be asleep. That's rather childish on your part.
Brock was never top ten caliber. Just top ten in size. And it's his size Dana exploited to draw in more ticket sales. Plain and simple.
I think I've made it clear why I passionatly dislike Brock. What is it about him that you like so much?
Btw, I wouldn't be so anti Brock if he didn't run his mouth in one direction and himself in the other.
Firstly, i dont particularly like brock but i respect his efforts nonetheless. Whilst I understand you don't like Brock based on his personality (I'm also not keen on the guy either in that sense), some of your statements are just ridiculous. I really take exception to the coward bit. How can anyone who steps in the octagon/ring a coward? It's just a stupid thing to say. Fighting a fellow professional who can do you serious damage in front of thousands in the arena and millions on tv is not something a coward would do. The simple fact is the guy's stand-up was lousy and that was the best course of action. What can't be denied though is that he's probably the best amateur wrestler to ever set foot in the octagon, it's just he proved that being amazing at one discipline simply isn't enough these days. Same reason why Royce Gracie probably wouldn't be half he fighter he was if he was still fighting today. As for the training camp being for 250 pounds plus, why not? He's not going to fight people lighter than that so why train with them? I reckon he knew his time in the mma game was limited and that he had no time to learn new skills so why not focus on what he was good at? The dumb thing he did in all his losing bouts was not to go for the takedown at every opportunity. He should have just rushed overeem and seen where that took him, but you saw overeem in a crouched stance to defend the takedown and I don't think Brock knew what to do from there. Most wrestlers would bide there time with a little stand up engagement and then shoot when the chance arises, but he wasn't good enough to do that. I think essentially we are in agreement but our appreciation of the guys efforts are way apart. Why give the guy grief for trying to make it? Apart from his first fight, he always fought high level guys and you have to respect that. And he didn't hide behind his family as a reason for his loss, he gave it as a reason for his retirement. He could easily carry on fighting and pick up another 400k, and the UFC would definitely put that fight on, but he chose to retire. I think he showed humility by retiring and basically admitting he wasn't good enough.
As for the midget comment, a midget is a dwarf right? I can't see how anyone can call Lesnar of all people a midget. Makes no sense at all.
I'm sure a lot of people take exception to the coward statement. Brock and his promoters particularly, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels this way. I make the statement from observing how he turned his back and ran from Carwin, and collapsed in a heap offering no resistance. He didn't fight back, and had no intention to. Cain beat him down similarly, and Overeem subdued him with a single leg kick to the liver. Devastating I know. I'm not saying it was a love tap, and he was softened up with a knee or two. But Randy Coutre collapsed from a viscous knee by Vera to the liver, endured the pain and fought on to win the decision. That's what a true champion does, that's how a real man reacts in the face of possible defeat, he presses on with what he has left. Given Brock's attitude toward smaller men, under his own definitions as a 265+lb man, he should be able to endure more, but he consistently exhibits the ability to actually endure much much less.
In addition, I doubt seriously Brock had a broken rib, he was in good enough condition 2 min after the fight to state his quiting, but then he couldn't face the media for questioning with the rest of the fighters because he was recieving medical attention? That screams coward to me too. A different type of coward. After all, Cerrone talked his hype, gave Diaz the finger and then got the hell beat out of him 10 times worse than Brock did, and he showed up for the embarrasing post fight conference.
Brock's fight camp of 250 plus is strictly a statement on his part that if your not big like him, your not on the same level. But it did matter contrary to your statement, because he lost to a guy below 250 (Cain). Just because your a behemoth, doesn't mean lighter smaller men can't teach you anything. But that is the attitude Brock emits, and I take offense to it. It's a bully mentality. And he collapsed and quit just like a bully does when faced with the slightest bit of effective resistance.
I'm not saying he's hiding behind his family because of the loss. I'm saying he's playing the family 'card' to justify his quitting. He's quitting. He quit with fights on his contract. He is a quitter. Afraid to fight again. Afraid to face the reality that he isn't what he proclaimed to be. He can't handle it, he can't face the music. Those are the actions of a coward, not the actions of a humble man exhibiting humility as you might suggest.
If Brock was anything that resembled a real man aside from physical stature he would openly admit he isn't an MMA fighter deserving of the title or a title shot, that these other fighters are actually real fighters in an arena that he did not expect he couldn't compete in. And that he is willing to finish his fight contract with the UFC against whomever they choose, and that he will do his best to put up a better fight to entertain the fans. But he didn't
It takes courage to admit you're wrong. And Brock has none. So he attempts to play trump, with the 'family card'.
He isn't worth 400k. He's worth 8k. That's the amount they pay the lowest paid fighters, and they actually fight for it.
Yes, a midget is a dwarf. Mental midget means he has dwarfed mind. Small mind. Low intelligence. Not clever. Dim witted. Slow. It's an insult. I know he isn't really a mental midget, but his overconfidence in his size, and his disdain for shorter, smaller, weaker men, cripples his thinking capacity to the effectivness of someone who has a mental handicap.
Ah right, now I understand the mental midget stuff. An odd choice of metaphor, never heard it used in this country before hence the confusion. But yeah you're probably right on that count, I think brock's failure to see the bigger picture of mma led to his shortcomings. I remember when he was coach on TUF and they were talking about BJJ and I think he said something like "that **** don't work when somebody's punching you in the face". Very naive.
The funniest thing i think I've seen on these post are 'I am not a Brock fan but I respect what he's done.'. What has he done? Now I like Brock, as a person and as a competitor. He is a good ol' boy that competes with confidence and intensity. But without talent as a fighter it's all for not. He was given a career that legends dream of on a silver platter, and wasn't able to deliver. Then he was given a second chance, and choked. Not sayin he couldn't be great, but he would need to take fives steps back and train with talent not just his core gym. Expand his horizons like train with AKA, ATT, Extreme Couture. Then take some fights in a lower organization like Bellator, Dream, or Strikeforce. Once his other skills have developed then try the big boys again. Unfortunately he won't do that. Why? Maybe no heart, maybe his pride is to great, or maybe he is too scared of fighting when he isn't in the spotlight. Whatever the reason we may never see him again. Frankly I don't want to see him again unless he has to work for something.
TSS, you show that you know nothing about diverticulitis.
LOL…K….you know nothing of what I know and/or how I know it. What if I said I was the one a Doctor to rely on to make the referrals to specialists who fix this problem on a daily basis? What if I said Ive been through it myself? Look it up yourself on webmd…its not a disease, it will say almost verbatim what I said. Facts son, thats what makes my statement valid.
As for the rest of you Brock fans still trying to justify him being good, get over it, he's not. He never was, and he never would have been. Fitefan is 100% right in everything he said, which was exactly what I said. Deal with it, your poster boy is gone. You can make all the personal stabs at me you want, it does nothing to solidify your argument that Brock was good, just shows your immaturity and says to me you got nothing else to come back with except "your mom…." statements. LOLOL @ you.
"Too scared to fight unless he's in the spotlight." I don't think I'm smart enough to understand the concept behind that statement.
I also don't understand why people just gave the guy who said "brock only trains with guys who weigh over 250lbs" legitimacy. That is just simply untrue. He has smaller guys who train with him. Hell, the only partner they talked about on fight night was Pat Berry, who in less he ate a **** load of wheaties in the past few months, Is a bit under 250. He's also had a few guys from his tuf show come to his gym afterward.
I don't think that how he did his gym was the best way to learn. But he decided he wanted to stay home, and he had the money to make it happen.
By the way, the guys been willing in the past to readily admit when he hasn't been good enough for something. If you check out an interview as to why he's not in the nfl, or why he doesn't wish to be.
And I'm sure that Brock would just ball up to a Diaz attack. Getting hit by a Diaz, and by carwin is pretty much the same thing. Lol
Lesnar has a option to wrestle for Japan again. Remember that WWE even tried to stop Lesnar from wrestling in Japan.
I wouldn't be surprised Lesnar goes back to NJPW or go to IGF instead of WWE
New Year's Resolution: stop posting and reading comments on MMA websites. Do you guys realize the idiots your comments make you look like? And it's not just you, but ALL MMA fans on any website look as stupid as you. A bunch of TapOut wearing, lifted truck driving, Junie Browing types. Can't hold a debate without resorting to name calling. It's worse than debating which college football conference is better. You think MLB, NFL or NHL fans argue like bitches the way you do?
^yes. Go look at it. Any time someones favorite team loses to someone elses its the refs fault then the whole argument starts. And FYI, just because you comment on an MMA site and because someone is an MMA fan doesnt make them "Tapout wearing, lifted truck driving, Junie Browning types". Some of us actually come here and post with legitimate things to say. I think this site especially does a good job interacting with the fans as well. Writers and runners of the site come in and talk from time to time, which I personally think is really cool. Also, I have no problem debating something without resorting to name calling. I do find it ironic however that you're making fun of people for name calling and yet there you are, name calling.
Isn't this the point of these sites? For fans to debate their opinions? I think all the points made on here are valid, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. And so what if there's a little name calling here and there? Jeez it's just a bit of fun, I'm sure none of us have cried ourselves to sleep after being called a name on here, but why jump in with the holier than thou stance? If you don't like it go somewhere else where there's no passionate discussion or gentle ribbing, I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun. The fact is this thread has been one of the best in recent months and has provoked plenty of discussion.
Your one post has had more name calling in it than all of ours put together here. And Elguapa and I posted some long posts of opposing views without resorting to calling eachother anything directly, and just barely indirectly ONE time.
And you make the mistake of grouping all MMA fans into one profile. I must say, a brilliant execution of being the incarnation of the very thing you were trying to take a stand against.
Better for you to apply a little bit of Quantam theory in your life…
If you never go to another MMA website again then all of us will have stopped posting on them. Without your observation to prove otherwise then it will be in essence as if noone posts comments on MMA sites.
And you can continue on with a much happier existence because something is surely eating away at you to come on here and vent against MMA fans directly without provocation.
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