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Anuenue is a public DOE school, maintaining the Hawaiian culture in conjunction with english language through quality education and a positive message of life enriching experiences. - community member
E ola mau ka 'olelo Hawai'i! This school is great. Mahalo for all the wonderful years.
I have 2 children currently attending Anuenue and our Ohana continuously feels that the kula has played a huge role in the shaping and molding of our children. Anuenue teaches not only the language and culture but most importantly respect. Haumana of all ages display a certain kind of respect for the aina, makua, kumu and po'e a pau. To keep it simple....Anuenue is just like a small private school tucked away in Palolo valley and the kula deserves so much support and attention from the general public. The kumu are awesome and I'm glad to see them challenge the students acedemically. In my opinion, it's evident that the parents are very supportive and active as well.
i only been here since sixth grade and i love it im in high school a fresh man and the teachers are great
I am a parent of a 6th Grader at Anuenue School. My child has been a student here since 2nd grade and I am truly pleased with the basic philosphy of the school. Each child helps each other, from what I have observed, all the children are kind and respectful of the teachers and each other. Since the school is Hawaiian Immersion, it has the feel of a private school when you are on campus. My only concern is the curriculum and if my child is being challenged enough. Those are the issues I am dealing with right now.
this is a great school i went hear for 4 years they have great teachers as well
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2528 10th Ave
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The OneDrive for Business sync app lets you Sync OneDrive for Business or SharePoint site libraries to your computer so you can work with your files in File Explorer on your local computer. For general information about OneDrive for Business, see What is OneDrive for Business?
This article describes problems you may have using the OneDrive for Business sync app, and offers solutions or workarounds.
Most versions of Office 2013 or Office 365 come with the OneDrive for Business sync app. If your version of Office includes the OneDrive for Business sync app, you'll find it in your Office program group, listed as OneDrive for Business 2013. The table below shows what this looks like if you're running Windows 8 or Windows 7.
If you don't have the OneDrive for Business sync app, you can download it for free.
The OneDrive for Business sync app may occasionally have problems uploading or downloading files or folders. This can happen, for example, if a file contains invalid characters or if it's file type is not allowed. Similarly, you may get sync errors if a library is too large or if you don't have permission to download a library.
Whenever you have a sync problem, a sync error image overlays the OneDrive for Business menu icon in your Windows notification area. Select the OneDrive for Business menu icon and then select View sync problems.
An error dialog box opens that describes and current sync problems and suggests actions you can take to fix them.
If you're having a lot of sync problems, consider running Repair to reset your connections. Repair disconnects and then reconnects all libraries you were previously syncing with the OneDrive for Business sync app.
This is from editing conflicts. Editing conflicts with Office files are reported as sync problems and you can fix them as described above. But editing conflicts with other types of files are not reported as sync problems. Instead, OneDrive for Business creates a new version of the file, and appends the device name to the file name. For example:
When you see this happen, it's up to you to decide how to treat these file versions. You might consider one of these actions:
Note OneDrive for Business will create up to 10 conflict versions for these types of files.
The OneDrive for Business sync app is an Office 2013 application and is optimized to work with files opened with other Office 2013 applications. You can open and update Office files in your synced OneDrive for Business folder using Office 2010 applications, but there are a few important differences in behavior. The following table describes these differences and how to work around them.
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If someone else edits a document you have in your local, synced folder, you won't have their changes until the next scheduled sync. You can ensure that you always have the most current content by Manually syncing the folder before you open the document.
To do a manual sync, click the OneDrive for Business icon in your system tray, and then click Sync Now.
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After you install OneDrive for Business using the free download, you may sometimes see Office 2013 software updates in Windows Update that appear to be unrelated to OneDrive for Business. You get these updates because OneDrive for Business has a number of Office 2013 dependencies. We recommend that you install these updates.
The first time you run the OneDrive for Business sync app, the sync app wizard normally detects the web address of your OneDrive for Business library. However, in some configurations, OneDrive for Business can't find this address and leaves the web address field blank.
If this is your experience, close the sync app wizard, and then do the following:
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You clicked Sync in a SharePoint 2013 library expecting to see the sync app wizard, but the SharePoint Workspace Create New Workspace dialog box opened instead. This behavior may result from an update of your Office 2010 installation that occurs after you've installed Office 2013 or the standalone OneDrive for Business sync app. When this happens, SharePoint Workspace becomes the default sync app for SharePoint libraries.
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The main question you should ask yourself when considering hiring a moving company is: Do you have the time and resources to move yourself? If so, and if the cost of hiring a professional company is out of your budget, then moving yourself shouldn't be a question.
However, if you lack the time, resources, and physical support (of friends and family to provide needed manpower) the professional moving company options begin to make more sense. Second to affordability, you should consider the fact that moving companies offer insurance that will replace or reimburse you for any lost or damaged items. If you move yourself, there is no insurance against accident.
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Hello. This is Kookie, also known as Kookie07, Kookie11, and 9v_baterra across the internet. As an avid BIONIClE fan, I make a lot of BIONICLE MOCs. Just look below this text. All BIONICLE stuff. I might upload an HF or System creation here and there... who knows?
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ALISON SCHWARTZ My RA is unacceptable because, at age 10, I could no longer run and play with my friends. I came home from school and slept. I endured painful gold injections and teasing about my puffy face from steroids. At age 33, I was disabled from a hard-earned career as a pharmacist. At 36, I have had a total ankle replacement and total knee replacement. My future will have so much pain, surgeries and a shorter life expectancy. Most of all, I cannot keep up with my three children. I have to tell them "I can't" too many times.
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The focus of this project is to help congregational leaders and Unitarian Universalist Association staff understand where we are now and what we need to be well-equipped to meet the ministry needs of people seeking a liberal religious home in the 21st century.
All survey respondents were invited (at the close of the survey) to indicate interest in being part of a Sharing Circle conversation, which will begin in April and continue through June 2014. Participants will be randomly selected from those who indicated interest. Focus groups will largely be conducted virtually through group teleconferences and video conferences. The purpose of these focus groups is to delve more deeply into the big questions raised by the preliminary survey results.
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"Momentum is on the side of making Maryland families stronger," said Kevin Nix, a spokesman for the group.
The 52-44 split is by far the rosiest result for supporters to date. Recent polls by Gonzales and The Washington Post have put the issue much closer to 50-50.
Though supporters see the result as a shift in public opinion, it is very difficult to compare results from different firms, particularly when the polls show movement by only a few points. Each pollster uses his or her own set of assumptions for turnout when compiling the results, which can wildly change the results.
But, the PPP survey could be a helpful baseline for supporters to use as they ramp up a state-wide campaign on the issue over the summer.
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Global warming has slowed down because of pollution from Asia, according to a new study. "It has been unclear why global surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008," despite the fact that manmade emissions from fossil-fuel derived carbon dioxide grew by a third. A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States believes the reason is that it was offset by other pollutants.
World temperatures did not rise from 1998 to 2008, while manmade emissions of carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuel grew by nearly a third, various data show.
The researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities and Finland's University of Turku said pollution, and specifically sulphur emissions, from coal-fueled growth in Asia was responsible for the cooling effect.
Sulphur allows water drops or aerosols to form, creating hazy clouds which reflect sunlight back into space.
"Anthropogenic activities that warm and cool the planet largely cancel after 1998, which allows natural variables to play a more significant role," the paper said.
Natural cooling effects included a declining solar cycle after 2002, meaning the sun's output fell.
The study said that the halt in warming had fueled doubts about anthropogenic climate change, where scientists say manmade greenhouse gas emissions are heating the Earth.
All the same global warming remains a threat to mankind. "Long term warming will continue unless emissions are reduced," said Peter Stott, head of climate monitoring at Britain's Met Office. Surely not the sulphur emissions. We need more of those. The addition of the sulphur term to the AGW model recalls the problems associated with maintaining a geocentric view of astronomy. Geocentrism was once the established scientific consensus.
From Plato's time on, practically no one doubted the geocentric model itself, whatever its precise fit with observational data. As Aristotle showed in greater detail in his On the Heavens, reason and common experience confirmed it. Philosophers, poets, Church Fathers, educators, and encyclopedists all spoke of the universe much as Plato had described it, embellishing his picture on occasion with the nomenclature and simpler mathematical features of technical astronomy as it was developing.
Using geometry, the astronomers of the period built on the geocentric principle and from it derived a model or simulation of how the heavens should look.
The theory began with the model of the sun's motion… The sun moves uniformly in the plane of the ecliptic along the circumference of a circle of which the center is displaced from the center of the world along the apsidal line joining apogee and perigee (the points of slowest and fastest motion, called here the aux and oppositio augis respectively). The two centers of reference give rise to two measures of the sun's motus, or longitude along the ecliptic from the conventional starting point of 0 degrees Arietis (vernal equinox). The mean motus about the center of the eccentric increases uniformly at a rate fixed by dividing 360 degrees by the length in days of the solar year. The true motus about the earth differs from the mean by an amount called the "equation of the sun", which varies over the year as a function of the mean motus and which depends as well on the eccentricity (the distance e between the two centers) and on the longitude of the apsidal line. Values for the mean motus and the equation were contained in the astronomical tables, and their sum (or at times difference) gave the true motus.
The moon and planets required much more intricate arrangements, fundamental to which was the epicycle. The body was taken to move on a small circle, the epicycle, the center of which itself moved on a circle, the deferent, around the center of the world. In most cases the deferent was an eccentric circle like that of the sun. In the case of the moon, the eccentric deferent itself constituted a large epicycle turning on a smaller deferent centered on the earth. From a starting position of conjunction with the sun, the center of the deferent revolved from east to west at about 11 degrees a day, the center of the epicycle from west to east at about 13 degrees a day (with respect to the earth), and the moon on the epicycle in the same direction as the deferent at about 24 degrees a day. (As a result of the first two motions, the mean sun always lay midway between the center of the moon's epicycle and the apogee of its deferent.)
The model worked reasonably well. "In notes bound with his copy of the Alfonsine Tables, Copernicus commented that 'Mars surpasses the numbers by more than two degrees. Saturn is surpassed by the numbers by one and a half degrees.' … Copernicus and his contemporaries were therefore using Ptolemy's methods and finding them trustworthy well over a thousand years after Ptolemy's original work was published."
It was not until later that the alternative heliocentric method was shown to produce better results on simpler assumptions than the Ptolemaic that it was replaced. Much of the resistance to changing the Ptolemaic model arose from social, rather than scientific reasons. Institutions were invested in the geocentric model. Schools, governments and the Church hierarchy, not to mentioned venerated authorities such as Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas, had all believed the geocentric model to be true. Challenging that view meant the new theory would mean they were wrong; heliocentrism assumed the aspect of rebellion and could not simply be just another astronomical theory.
The huge social investment in AGW by the UN, activists groups and national bureaucrats, not to mention the vast sums of money predicated on "Green Energy" has created a similar effect. To suggest that AGW is in fact false, which would ordinarily be an ordinary part of the scientific method of inquiry, has been transformed into an act of blasphemy. Those who reject AGW are in fact called "climate deniers" whereas re-examining theories is supposed to be the staple of experimental science. Yet despite its sacred status, AGW has so far proved far less impressive than the Ptolemaic system. If the AGW model could predict temperatures at anywhere near the accuracy of Ptolemy's methods it would be hailed as scientific bedrock.
But as the NAS study showed, it cannot. It is principally good at getting things dead wrong. Now the AGW proponents have no alternative but to salvage their system by adding more terms to the model. Not in order to improve its predictions, but to explain why the results were 180 degrees in the opposite direction. Yet the question must be asked: is the premise wrong to start with? Billions of dollars have been invested in the service of a theory which is looking less and less like "established science" and more and more like Wrong Way Corrigan.
It is way past the time to demote AGW to the level of ordinary science. It should be treated as a hypothesis like any other. It should be shorn of its established status as the official doctrine of the UN, the EU and Greenpeace. And it should do so for its own good. The creation of official or quasi-religious doctrines has always had a stultifying effect on inquiry. Something like AGW is a clear and present intellectual danger, not only to the scientific method in general, but even to itself. It cannot hope to arrive at the truth for so long as it is infested with sacred cows and unquestionable dictums and founded on questionable data.
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1. 49erDweet
What you are saying is wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels. Please shut up. We can't hear you! We can't hear you! [chanting continues ad infinitum].July 5, 2011 - 11:32 am Link to this Comment
2. Don Rodrigo
So higher sulphur content in the atmosphere is now a good thing?
The mendacity of the AGW crowd neve ceases to amaze me.
The sulphur dioxide pollution causing what has come to be called "global dimming," is a phenomenon that has been know about for some years.
So, which is it? Do we sacrifice other environmental issues to put all our efforts into combatting "AGW?"July 5, 2011 - 11:40 am Link to this Comment
3. Docbill
If you acknowledge that AGW is a natural cycle then a bunch of their other ideas fall to the ground also. If man isn't the cause can it be God? It is a relegon that can't stand a logical analysis; not science. If the new faith is proven false then where do these people go? Back to GOD or ? To be left without an explanatory blanket to cover their naked asses the human mind rebels.July 5, 2011 - 11:41 am Link to this Comment
4. Jay
I am again reminded of "fallen angels", a sci-fi book set in the near future with glaciers advancing south to cover the USA, which is run by greenies who have regulated science and industry out of existence.
In the book iirc pollution has a warming effect.
http://www.webscription.net/chapters/067172052X/067172052X.htmJuly 5, 2011 - 11:46 am Link to this Comment
5. Don Rodrigo
Even if there is a long-term warming trend going on, what of it? After all, aren't we doing a long, slow crawl out of the so-called Little Ice Age?
What has distinguished humanity from other living things is our adaptability and constant improvement in human living conditions. We've had climatic variation throughout recorded history, and none of it has eve caused insurmountable calamity overall — not even close. There have been local, long-term drought patterns (which alarmists insist on calling climate change), that have led to increased aridity in already arid regions, like the Sahara and the American SW, that caused profound migration changes, but that was among subsistence neolithic peoples. Overall, humanity has dealt succesfully with the climatic variations it has been challenged with.
To top it off, all the "climate change" from the mid-Holocene on has had one constant: two bands of temperate zones. All the climate change has ever meant for thousands of years was variation in the existing climate, with the temperate zones always staying within the temperate range with four distinct seasons. We are still, at most, and if a long-term warming trend is indeed happening, going to have temperate zones where they now exists, just milder versions of them. I would call it "Global Milding" rather than global warming.July 5, 2011 - 11:52 am Link to this Comment
6. exhelodrvr
'Something like AGW is a clear and present intellectual danger, not only to the scientific method in general, but even to itself. It cannot hope to arrive at the truth for so long as it is infested with sacred cows and unquestionable dictums and founded on questionable data."
You're making a dangerous assumption – that "AGW" actually hopes to arrive at the truth.July 5, 2011 - 12:02 pm Link to this Comment
7. Eggplant
Wretchard, you might want to fix this sentence:
"To suggest that AGW is in fact false, which would ordinarily be an ordinary part of the scientific method of inquiry, has been transformed into an act of blasphemy."
Wretchard said:
"It was not until later that the alternative heliocentric method was shown to produce better results on simpler assumptions than the Ptolemaic that it was replaced."
The key point here is the Copernican "heliocentric" model of the Solar System is no more "correct" than the Ptolemaic "geocentric" model. It so happens the heliocentric model is better for planetary orbit prediction because it is significantly simpler. The greater simplicity of the heliocentric model enabled Kepler to devise his laws of planetary motion and for Newton to derive the conic section formula for planetary orbits from first principles. For modelling a spacecraft entering the Earth's atmosphere, one typically uses the geocentric coordinate system, i.e. the spacecraft is assumed to be travelling in a coordinate system where the atmosphere is stationary.
Wretchard quoted:
"The researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities and Finland's University of Turku said pollution, and specifically sulphur emissions, from coal-fueled growth in Asia was responsible for the cooling effect."
They're trying to come up with an explanation reconciling observations that are consistent with the political narrative. In truth, the Sun has been extremely quiet in terms of sun spots, solar storms, etc. This change in the Sun's behavior has screwed up all of their climate models. The hard truth is the guys pushing AGW don't know what they're doing, i.e. the problem is too hard. Modelling the fluid mechanics in a hot cup of coffee is difficult. Modelling the local weather for more than a week is extremely difficult. Modelling the Earth's climate for several decades is effectively impossible, particularly since no one really understands the Sun. Allowing such uncertain science to impact trillions of dollars of economic activity would appear to be insanity. However it's not insanity when seen from the perspective of hard-ball politics. To control the world's carbon emissions means controlling the world's main energy supply. Establishing central government control over the world's energy supply is equivalent to establishing the sort of world authority that the Soviet Union hoped to achieve during the Cold War. The politicians behind AGW hope to achieve the Soviet Union's dream of world dominance through bogus science.July 5, 2011 - 12:18 pm Link to this Comment
8. cfbleachers
AGW is a Trojan Horse for socialist redistribution policies.
The One World Government wishes to commune with our money through their hoaxes.
We have "earned enough". Hot, cold…doesn't matter.
They will build a method by which we as humans are responsible for "something" and for that "sin" we will be given a penance. The penance is a confiscatory claim on wealth and a power grab.
The end justify the means, they don't care if they are lying, why in the world would they give a nanosecond's worth of concern if they are "correct". The theory was never developed to matter whether it was correct. That would simply be a happy accident.
They had to rush to a point of screaming "it's settled, and all who disagree are evil", because it could not withstand the slightest scrutiny.
Let's stop pussyfooting around and frittering around the edges of their motivations. And let's, finally…finally…stop buying this nonsense that they are "do gooders, with good intentions". They pave the path to hell and sometimes it is done with bad intentions. They are liars and traitors.
Let's start from that premise for once and see how easily the rest falls into place.July 5, 2011 - 12:25 pm Link to this Comment
9. Eggplant
cfbleachers @ 8 said:
>THEY will build a method by which we as humans are responsible for
>"something" and for that "sin" we will be given a penance.
>… THEY don't care if THEY are lying, why in the world would THEY give a >nanosecond's worth of concern if THEY are "correct".
>THEY had to rush to a point of screaming "it's settled, and all who disagree are >evil", because it could not withstand the slightest scrutiny.
>THEY pave the path to hell and sometimes it is done with bad intentions.
>THEY are liars and traitors.
I'm having trouble with the word "they". Yeah, sure there are some old fashioned Marxists of the "watermelon" variety within Green Peace, the MSM, working at the United Nations, etc. who see AGW as the ultimate power grab. However many (most?) of the people repeating the AGW narrative are merely confused moonbats repeating this stuff because they read it in the New York Times or it's the current political fashion, e.g. like promoting "nuclear winter" or "nuclear free zones" in the 1980s. The guys who irritate me are the scientists who got on the AGW bandwagon because it was the shortest path towards easy funding. There should be a requirement that any funding for a scientific theory that has significant economic impact should always have equal funding for opposite sides of the hypothesis. Government funding for scientific research with political impact should always be deliberately neutral.July 5, 2011 - 12:49 pm Link to this Comment
10. SpeakEasy
I'm a tad confused here; These studies, showing no significant rise in global temps were being conducted at the exact time, 1998 to 2008, that AGW supporters were wailing about the icebergs melting and the polar bears drowning? So they knew it was a hoax but did not want to be shunned, I guess.
Being wrong about a theory is part of the scientific method, lying for funding is repugnant and should see you disavowed in the scientific community. But then, this was never about truth.July 5, 2011 - 12:51 pm Link to this Comment
11. stephen b
Glenn Reynolds links today to a paper (by "Social Scientists") http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1871503.
From abstract: "On the whole, the most scientifically literate and numerate subjects were slightly less likely, not more, to see climate change as a serious threat than the least scientifically literate and numerate ones."
Unfortunately, their conclusion seems to be that this is a PR problem:
"Dispelling this, "tragedy of the risk-perception commons," we argue, should be understood as the central aim of the science of science communication."July 5, 2011 - 12:54 pm Link to this Comment
12. westerncanadian
Apologies if you have already seen this joke, but it seems appropriate to the current discussion of the middle-class, well educated, left-leaning pricktocracy.
A cowboy named Bud was overseeing his herd in a remote pasture when suddenly a
brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.
The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, RayBan sunglasses and YSL
tie, leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, "If I tell you exactly how many
cows and calves you have in your herd, Will you give me a calf?"
Bud looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing
herd and calmly answers, "Sure, Why not?"
The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to
his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone, and surfs to a NASApage on the Internet, where
he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then
feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution
The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to
an image processing facility in Hamburg , Germany .
Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been
processed and the data stored.
He then accesses an MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet
with email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response.
Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech,
miniaturized HP LaserJet printer, turns to the cowboy and says, "You have
exactly 1,586 cows and calves."
"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Bud.
He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement
as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.
Then Bud says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your
business is, will you give me back my calf?"
The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"
"You're an aide in the Obama Administration", says Bud.
"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"
"No guessing required." answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even though
nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a
question I never asked. You used millions of dollars worth of equipment trying
to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about
how working people make a living – or about cows, for that matter. This is a
herd of sheep.
Now give me back my dog.July 5, 2011 - 1:05 pm Link to this Comment
13. hdgreene
I live on the terminal moraine of the last great glaciation of the current ice age (basically, that means we got bonus rocks in our ground around here). So I would tell people that the next glaciation of the current ice age is a much bigger worry than global warming.
Then one night I was watching Nova and some fellow had a theory about how global warming would cause the return of the great ice cap, putting Cleveland under a mile of ice. Hearing that theory, I jumped from the couch and shouted, "Give that fellow a grant!" Unfortunately for that fellow, I am not a college Dean. But I'm sure the fellow got his fellowship and lots of grants. I mean, Man Made Global Warming Causing Glaciers, sweet!
Turns out 250,000 years ago glaciers destroyed the auto industry. See, it's all happened before so don't let it happen again. Stand up to Glaciers!July 5, 2011 - 1:09 pm Link to this Comment
14. ridgerunner
Herpetologists and ecotourists most likely carried the chytrid fungus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chytridiomycosis) on their boots to previously pristine habitats and thereby caused the extinction of many harlequin frog species.
And then some of the same folks profit (grants and speaking fees) from investigating the problem as as a putative result of AGW. Read the attached description of this case with its weak science and editorial bias.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/01/11/jumping-to-conclusions-frogs-global-warming-and-nature/July 5, 2011 - 1:15 pm Link to this Comment
15. Eggplant
westerncanadian @ 12: Laughing out loud and so true!July 5, 2011 - 1:16 pm Link to this Comment
16. mariner
Pollution speeds up global warming, unless it slows down global warming. Unless it causes global cooling.July 5, 2011 - 1:20 pm Link to this Comment
17. Whitehall
The new new theory has the political advantage of being OK with China's expanded coal consumption while continuing to blame the West.
Hence China's refusal to sign on to greenhouse gas limits is an FEATURE and not a BUG.July 5, 2011 - 1:34 pm Link to this Comment
18. Eggplant
mariner @ 16 said
"Pollution speeds up global warming, unless it slows down global warming. Unless it causes global cooling."
Anthropogenic Climate Change (previously known as "global warming") causes the weather to be hotter. Anthropogenic Climate Change also causes the weather to be cooler. Finally, Anthropogenic Climate Change causes the weather to be just right. Anthropogenic Climate Change is an irrefutable fact. Consequently, we need to hand socialists trillions of dollars to stop Anthropogenic Climate Change.
hdgreene @ 13 said:
"I live on the terminal moraine of the last great glaciation of the current ice age (basically, that means we got bonus rocks in our ground around here)."
Gee-wiz fact for the day: You're right on the edge of a region undergoing "glacial rebound", i.e. the previous glacier caused the Earth's crust to "oil can" inwards and even now the Earth's crust is popping back into its previous shape, refer to:
The Earth's climate and shape are still recovering from the previous Ice Age.July 5, 2011 - 1:36 pm Link to this Comment
19. Dial C For Cocktail Waitress
A. Heat gets in, can't get out. We all live in "Solyent Green" and eat each other.
B. Heat can't get in. Earth freezes over and we eat each other.
C. So far people in Somalia prefer migration to cannibalism so it's not all bad news.July 5, 2011 - 1:45 pm Link to this Comment
20. Walt
Many years ago, when I was a lad, we boy scouts sat around the campfire and sang You Are My Sunshine. I don't remember the words, but the melody went something like this.
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine
You warm my woodlands, you warm my seas
You grow my flowers
You gauge my hours
And without you, sunshine, I'd freeze
Now some berate you, while others hate you
Say rising temps are made by man
Their claims are foolish
Just fossil fuelish
And all life on earth they'd ban
Oh mighty orb now, you can absorb now
All CO2 that we exhale
They say S8 now
Will expiate now
For the sin of theory fail
For many years now the great god Amon
Has circled Earth and warmed our hearths
The highest churchmen
Were in the lurch men
When 'twas found the circling's earth's
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine
You make me happy when skies are gray
You give me sunburn
You make the world turn
Please don't take my sunshine awayJuly 5, 2011 - 1:55 pm Link to this Comment
21. whitehall
Eggplant @18
Interesting about rebound. A few years ago I was working on a proposal for a new nuke in Finland. I discovered that we need to make the cooling water pumps and the channel for cooling water from the sea at least a meter (3 foot) deeper that would be otherwise calculated. Over the 60 to 80 year expected life of the plant, that was a conservative estimate of how much the rock upon which the plant was built would rise relative to the Baltic Sea.
On the other hand, Holland was sinking as Northern Europe readjusted from the last Ice Age.July 5, 2011 - 2:10 pm Link to this Comment
22. Talnik
The West reduced its pollution while China increased its pollution so it's a wash. The idiots disproved their own argument.July 5, 2011 - 2:17 pm Link to this Comment
23. Don Rodrigo
22. Talnik
The West reduced its pollution while China increased its pollution so it's a wash. The idiots disproved their own argument.
Funny. I had just returned to make a similar comment.
24. Marsh Arab
I wonder what other areas of scientific study have been stifled by quasi-religious dogma? Can one dare question the "established scientific consensus" on Evolution and/or the age of the Earth? Is that all just one great big house of cards like AGW?
25. ridgerunner
Marsh Arab @24,
Evolution and the geological age of the Earth stand on multifarious and logically separate lines of evidence. The basic conclusion that biological diversification occurred over more than three billion years of Earth history is extremely well supported by those lines of evidence.
The evidence for AGW on the other hand comes largely from inadequate computer simulations.July 5, 2011 - 2:47 pm Link to this Comment
26. Roughcoat
I really am confused.
Hasn't there been a decline in in Arctic ice from 1979 to 2005? Satellite photos at the NASA website indicate that's the case. What gives?July 5, 2011 - 2:48 pm Link to this Comment
27. ridgerunner
I hope folks will review the following http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution before jumping to the conclusion that one questionable scientific consensus negates other consensuses that were arrived at by thousands of scientists over two centuries.
Don't make BC a laughing stock.July 5, 2011 - 2:58 pm Link to this Comment
28. Annoy Mouse
AGW 'science' is a crime against humanity. Saying that carbon dioxide is a toxin is a hate crime and the US EPA should be shut down immediately and forever. Those who came up with the theory that carbon dioxide is a toxin must be tried by a new international war tribunal for crimes against humanity with seats going to China and Russia and any other 'non-fascist' nation. The United States by way of promoting this fraud is promoting the idea that humans are toxic and therefore must be removed from the earth. They need to quit effecting the atmosphere by consuming energy resources and breathing into the air with their toxin producing lungs. This is advocating nothing short of genocide. As an offender against humanity the US can only be granted an observer status at the new tribunal until they reform their genocidal policies and human rights violations in the name of AGW. The new world court must condemn and punish these international fascists.
My breath is not a toxic substance though it my offend on occasion.July 5, 2011 - 3:04 pm Link to this Comment
29. Sean
We've all heard of the saying "Garbage in – garbage out" when it comes to computer models. The AGW one is different though – it's "Good data in – garbage out"! And we're spending billions on this?July 5, 2011 - 3:13 pm Link to this Comment
30. Josh
Little Willie
was a chemist
but he is no more.
What he thought
was H2O
was H2SO4.
Doesn't one volcano put more sulfur in the atmosphere in an hour, than all of mankind in a century?
Didn't we already have a lot of sulphur in the air, supposedly causing acid rain, for so many years now that it should be baked into all calculations?
Color me massively unconvinced.July 5, 2011 - 3:15 pm Link to this Comment
31. SirWalter
Walt brings up the Sun as in "You Are my Sunshine".
Why is it that the AGW warmists never bring up the subject of the climate on the Sun. Do they "believe" that it is constant and never varies?
Sun spots, solar flares, nuclear explosions on the Sun don't seem relevant to the AGW crowd.July 5, 2011 - 3:21 pm Link to this Comment
32. Don Rodrigo
And we're spending billions on this?
Not on the computer modeling. Climategate revealed that the principal warmists were using crude desktop-created models with skimpy data. Being naive, I thought that 3-D modeling on supercomputers were being done. Apparently, not so.
Even with supercomputer 3-D modeling one would have to construct various different models for different climate phenomena, and feed in the data from ALL weather stations (some 7,000 of them), and that's assuming that virtually all those stations were working (a great many are not), and that the working ones were not compromised by heat island effects, etc.; a whole bunch of these stations are "contaminated." Once these various 3-D models would have been succesfully run, the next step would have been to combine them into a "super model" if you will. None of this serious modeling was ever done. Only hundreds of stations were used for 2-dimensional modleing on desktops. Pathetic.July 5, 2011 - 3:29 pm Link to this Comment
wc@12: "You're an aide in the Obama Administration", says Bud.
The original line was the more generic: "You're from the (federal usually) government."
That same technology put to the witless purpose of counting sheep is kicking butt in the ME where our military IS smarter, it shows, and the other guys want it.
My take is that the push generally came from the parents who'd had their fill of digging in rocks for a lifetime and wanted their kids to have the opportunity to pursue 'something better' – generally meant in the more personally satisfying sense and hopefully more remuneratively rewarding sense.
The Obama economic team has stumbled the stimulus. OEC report is out and says so. Goolsbee gone.
The Bush team – state, defense, intell and Cheney – didn't just 'stumble' in the ME post 9-11, they played right into the hands of our worst enemies. Unconscionable.
Bush followed by Obama is – as we speak (this too shall pass) – a nightmare of housecleaning as the Republicans come to terms with the profoundly ill-advised foreign policy in the ME and the Democrats come to terms with the proper role of government. The back-to-back failures of the Pubs followed by the Dems is the steep price being extracted for the ability of a deeply wealthy country to tolerate political corruption. Can't do it any more.
In my wilder moments, I sometimes think that it wasn't DSK who was set up, it was USA. The episode was meant to embarrass the justice system so the 'dinnerjacket' tyrants of the world could crow and flap their gums like the toothless old men looking for traction that they really are (see the latest on Drudge). No true statesmen (or women) in the lot; just a bunch of cackling old fools so we now have types like General Gul with his condescending pronouncements that USA is a 'young and arrogant' country, the implication being … well I shouldn't have to spell it out should I?
At some point, Bud the Cowboy will have to line up with the Armani geek from h^ll.
34. grrr
So let's add few more coal fired power stations and we will cool planet so much that DC will not need A/C in August.
35. grrr
When the global cooling was in fashion during Reagan years some of the same suspects tried to sell their ideas to Sununu (who was then in admin.) He requested their models and run them with each model giving different results from reality. They attacked him politically.
36. blert
Carbon dioxide is plant food.
Back in the 60s NASA studied ways to close the food cycle while on orbit/ deep space.
It was quickly determined that the only effect route used concentrated carbon dioxide over/ with hydroponics.
This notion has been recently picked up as a route to bio-diesel.
ALL plants grow faster as the partial pressure of carbon dioxide rises. This effect is there up and down the range. If denied carbon dioxide entirely — plants fail to grow/ die.
So it is surely the case that some of the crop yield increases are due to coal burning.
The effect is likely to be exponential over the low partial pressures at issue. So rising carbon dioxide levels are making the Amazonian rainforest an even better solar collector. Together with the Congo, it is certainly capable of sinking out all of the coal humanity is burning.
37. ridgerunner
Another way to sequester carbon is to convert some of the forestry to long (nearly primeval) rotation. For example,Long-leaf Pine life span is around 300 years, so a large standing crop of such trees could keep lots of carbon out of circulation, assuming that it matters.July 5, 2011 - 4:36 pm Link to this Comment
38. blert
Dust destroys ice — even glacial ice — by changing its albedo.
In a case of seriously stupid, 60 Minutes aired a Warmist rant filmed down in Patagonia.
Argentina was losing one of its glaciers at a phenomenal clip.
Left unremarked: the Chilean volcano just across the border spewing ash — ash now visible all over the ice!
Yes, it was almost black with ash by the time the intrepid idiot arrived to film.
China's coal power plants are of Western design and spec.
( Westinghouse, being the hands down favorite. At company expense, Westinghouse trained Chinese engineering students — in the 1930s — at such schools as MIT. These nerds returned home after WWII and quickly rose to the top. Being young technocrats they were spared all political repression. When the 1980s came they stood astride the national power grid. So Siemens bought out Westinghouse — to gain access to Red China.)
What's notable: the Chinese are permitting their coal plants to bypass pollution controls ( particularly particulates ) so as to save on blower energy. This is all of a part: they've imposed price controls on electricity so low that the operators are seriously hurting.
And so it is, Red China is the soottiest emitter on the planet, by far, injecting northern coal particulates all over the high latitudes.
THIS is the reason for the immense melt-offs up that way.
BTW, no shrinkage of the polar bear population is in sight. They like it warmer, too.July 5, 2011 - 4:43 pm Link to this Comment
39. Eggplant
27. ridgerunner @ 27 said:
"I hope folks will review … before jumping to the conclusion that one questionable scientific consensus negates other consensuses that were arrived at by thousands of scientists over two centuries. Don't make BC a laughing stock."
I agree with Ridgerunner. The evidence of common descent supporting "Darwin's Law" of natural selection is well established. I'm sure that Marsh Arab's comment was honest. However a "moby" might make a similar comment to bring discredit to Belmont Club.
We need to remain vigilant against trolls and mobys. Obama's election campaign workers will be coming back to Belmont Club as they did four years ago.July 5, 2011 - 5:02 pm Link to this Comment
40. Annoy Mouse
"And so it is, Red China is the soottiest emitter on the planet, by far, injecting northern coal particulates all over the high latitudes."
This particularly irks me. We shut down our most common and valuable source of energy so that we be anal retentive and proud. The US leads the way in the development and improvements in clean technologies. Clean technologies is not putting windmills on every hill and dale, it is making the energy sources that we have cleaner. We are stopping to use coal so we can buy things from China who use dirty technology then reap the smoky winds. Its makes no sense.July 5, 2011 - 5:16 pm Link to this Comment
41. Gordon
". . . windmills on every hill and dale . . . " and incidentally killing golden eagles by the score.July 5, 2011 - 6:12 pm Link to this Comment
42. Ἀρίσταρχος
Science is always a roller-coaster ride. As Wretch writes, "To suggest that AGW is in fact false, which would ordinarily be an ordinary part of the scientific method of inquiry, has been transformed into an act of blasphemy." When I was an undergrad math major I wrote a computer simulation of Ptolemy's system and demoed it with OpenGL graphics and everything (Thomas Kuhn's old 1957 book, The Copernican Revolution provided most of the info on Ptolemy's system). Swinging around on the computer screen, it looked rather impressive.
Human beings always run with the best guess they have got. Back in the mid-80s there was still a likelihood that AGW might be true. It has been pretty thoroughly challenged since then, mainly by the data! But also by several ironic scandals showing how venal its defenders have become. Yet climate scientists raised on the theory and fed from its sumptuous teat, are understandably loath to see it go.
So Kuhn has been proved right again, this time in his 1962 book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. We will not see this theory die until the two generations of climate scientists who were wet-nursed on it, pass on.July 5, 2011 - 6:32 pm Link to this Comment
43. jfsanders031
I watched a netflixed recast of Secret Yellowstone just last night. In it the experts were quoted as stating that Yellowstone releases more hydrogen sulfide into the atmosphere in a year than all of mankind's efforts since the beginning. And almost as much CO2 as well. We are but a speck in the timeline of geology and as such any suggestion, let alone a quasi-religion based upon mankind's ability to affect this planet to any great extent is just pure sheepdip.
As an aside didn't we get this great gnashing of teeth over acid rain produced by coal burning power plants back in the 70′s and 80′s? So now acid rain is good? Imagine that…July 5, 2011 - 7:04 pm Link to this Comment
44. Anglo-Saxon
I was pretty sure the whole AGW was bogus when the hockey stick graph came out. It did not take into account the Little Climatic Optimum (900-1200 AD)that permitted grapes to be grown in what is now Newfoundland but was called Vineland by the Vikings. Amazing what you can do with principal components analysis!July 6, 2011 - 4:25 am Link to this Comment
45. Hangtown Bob
If I remember right, it was sulphur pollution from coal and oil-burning power plants that was the prime cause of "acid rain" in the middle of the last century. The political-economic solution to that problem was to develop the concept of "cap and trade" wherein economic pressure was brought to bear on the sulphur emitters to reduce their emissions. I believe that this was the first use of such a regulatory scheme and, in the case of acid rain, it worked. Of course, the main reason why it worked was that acid rain WAS a direct result of the sulphur emissions.
The global warming crowd of today has not been able to show ANY meaningful direct correlation between increasing global temperatures and the emission of carbon dioxide by man. It's use of cap and trade to solve this "inconvenient truth" will this produce NO meaningful changes other than damaging our economy even further.July 6, 2011 - 6:22 am Link to this Comment
46. Ari Tai
Aha. Well then, this must mean that they believe that geo-engineering is feasible (grin and a grimace) – since they now must have models accurate enough to steer by (not). Would be a classic tragedy for computers and computation that have done so much good to play such a pivotal role in doing so much bad.
I've had folks start to call me a denier and in mixed company change the term to skeptic. Which I then interrupt and say that the correct term is heretic as we're clearly debating faiths and world-view. And that I'd rather be in the league of legendary (and smarter-than-I folks like Dyson and Lewis) heretics than those cowed by authority and appeals to authority (as if a scientist is anything more or less than another citizen). Makes them even angrier. Especially when I mention that organic farming has now injured and killed more children than anything nuclear since that technology was used as a weapon in a just cause.July 6, 2011 - 11:06 am Link to this Comment
47. Eggplant
Ari Tai @ 46 said:
"… I then interrupt and say that the correct term is heretic as we're clearly debating faiths and world-view."
Heretics tend to be burned at the stake while being jeered at by an angry mob.
When a besieging army is taking over a city, somebody needs to first climb a ladder and jump onto the city ramparts. Those guys normally get a spear thrust through their middle or drenched in boiling oil. The Corona Muralis was the Roman military decoration given to the valiant soldier who first climbed the wall of a besieged city.
I'd rather wear the Corona Muralis than be burned at the stake.July 6, 2011 - 4:31 pm Link to this Comment
48. Smoking Frog
Wretchard – The aerosols thing has been part of the AGW theory for years. They use it to explain the 1940-1970 cooling. Which is not to say that they're right. They're probably just guessing at the quantity of aerosols back that far, or worse, picking a number that makes the models work.
Secondly, the Ptolemaic system doesn't make a good analogy. The warmists have tried to get rid of the possibility of important complications, so as to keep CO2 emissions as the overwhelmingly main event. The Ptolemaic system was preserved by inventing complications. The AGW-ers might be moving into a "Ptolemaic phase," but I don't think it could hold for long, if they are substantially wrong about the importance of CO2. If they are substantially right, then it could hold, but we skeptics couldn't.July 7, 2011 - 4:06 am Link to this Comment
49. Smoking Frog
@31 Sir Walter Why is it that the AGW warmists never bring up the subject of the climate on the Sun. Do they "believe" that it is constant and never varies?
They do. They say that the 11-year solar cycle accounts for about 0.1 degrees C. of variation of the global mean temperature. The difference between warmists and skeptics about the sun is that the warmists are looking at total irradiance and ignoring other solar effects, saying that the evidence for them isn't good enough. As far as I know, the main candidate "other effects" are: (1) variation in the sun's magnetic field, which controls how much high-energy cosmic ray flux reaches the troposphere; high-energy cosmic rays may be an important determinant of cloud cover, and something like a 1% change in cloud cover would explain the 20th-century warming; (2) a claim that solar irradiance varies more in the ultraviolet than at longer wavelengths; this would be important because the greenhouse effect varies with the amount of ultraviolet that reaches the earth's surface. (I say "a claim," but it may very well be a known fact. I'm not an expert.)July 7, 2011 - 4:24 am Link to this Comment
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@31 Sir Walter
I meant "They do bring it up."July 7, 2011 - 4:28 am Link to this Comment
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@45 Hangtown Bob … concept of "cap and trade" wherein economic pressure was brought to bear on the sulphur emitters to reduce their emissions. I believe that this was the first use of such a regulatory scheme and, in the case of acid rain, it worked. Of course, the main reason why it worked was that acid rain WAS a direct result of the sulphur emissions.
The global warming crowd of today has not been able to show ANY meaningful direct correlation between increasing global temperatures and the emission of carbon dioxide by man. It's use of cap and trade to solve this "inconvenient truth" will this produce NO meaningful changes other than damaging our economy even further.
Let's say that cap-and-trade "works" if it reduces CO2 emissions by enough to matter in AGW theory, never mind if reducing them does anything to the climate. It is not at all likely even to work in that sense, because reducing CO2 emissions is far, far more difficult than reducing sulfur emissions. The means of reducing sulfur emissions were readily available and cheap enough that cap-and-trade could work. That's not true of reducing CO2 emissions by enough to matter in AGW theory.
The CO2 cap-and-trade bill in the U.S. Congress aims at reducing per capita emissions to 1865 level by 2050, because that's what theory says is needed! In the whole world! In 1865, there was very little burning of fossil fuels; very few people had even begun using coal.
By the way, the problem of acid rain may have been overrated.July 7, 2011 - 4:49 am Link to this Comment
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Smoking Frog @ 48 said:
"They use it to explain the 1940-1970 cooling. Which is not to say that they're right. They're probably just guessing at the quantity of aerosols back that far, or worse, picking a number that makes the models work."
A problem with the 3-D Navier-Stokes equations is they'll support many unsteady solutions for a given set of boundary conditions. Set up your grid and run the solver until you get a solution… Don't like your solution… No, problem! Tweek the grid or the turbulence model and run the solver again. Keep iterating until you get the solution that you want. Computer solutions of the Navier-Stokes equations are worthless without empirical validation. It's okay to interpolate between experimental datasets with a Navier-Stokes computer model but risky to extrapolate. You can extrapolate to any solution that you like with a climate model if you're allowed to tweek the assumptions.July 7, 2011 - 10:54 am Link to this Comment
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Eggplant, spang on. I use CFD models for fluid flow and thermal analysis and need to validate specific data points to calibrate variables like the convection coefficient. Once a model is validated for predicting the behavior of the known system it can be extrapolated to evaluate other designs and methods comparatively. I work with semi-closed systems of electronic equipment and would be a hack if I suggested that I could adequately solve for a completely open and chaotic system like global weather. The climate modeling folks are doing some interesting work but passing off the science as 'solved' is a fraud. Nice try.July 7, 2011 - 11:54 am Link to this Comment
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Smoking Frog @ 49 said:
"The difference between warmists and skeptics about the sun is that the warmists are looking at total irradiance and ignoring other solar effects, saying that the evidence for them isn't good enough."
Take a look at:
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The "Little Ice Age" correlates with the "Maunder Minimum". Solar activity is the main driver behind the Earth's climate. The Sun has entered into a period of reduced solar activity. This has caused the Earth's climate to cool slightly and embarrassed the AGW crowd.
This observation can be played two different ways:
1) We will not go into another mini-ice age because of increased carbon dioxide.
2) The reduction in solar activity has delayed the effect of AGW and we'll fry when the Sun resumes normal solar activity.
Both arguments are bogus. The reality is we can not accurately model climate. Therefore, climate models are a not a valid basis for establishing global economic policy.July 7, 2011 - 12:00 pm Link to this Comment
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@54 Eggplant
Sure, I know about the Maunder Minimum and the Little Ice Age. Are you suggesting that they refute "the evidence isn't good enough"? I don't think they do. The trouble is, a mechanism is needed. Svensmark's cosmic ray theory could show the mechanism, and so far it's looking good, but this is inconclusive.
You very nearly contradict yourself by saying "solar activity is the main driver," and then, "We cannot accurately model climate." If "cannot" should be taken literally as implying "at present," I agree. If you mean that we could never accurately model climate, I think there's a decent chance you're right. But I don't see a way to completely absolve you of contradicting yourself.
I reject the assumption that "climate" is so simple as to be nearly synonymous with global mean temperature.
Your "two different ways" are not very different.July 7, 2011 - 11:50 pm Link to this Comment
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@52 Eggplant
Re extrapolation, Navier-Stokes, etc., sure, I agree. Even the IPCC agrees in an underhanded way; they say that their "scenarios" are not predictions.July 7, 2011 - 11:53 pm Link to this Comment
57. Smoking Frog
@7 Eggplant The key point here is the Copernican "heliocentric" model of the Solar System is no more "correct" than the Ptolemaic "geocentric" model. It so happens the heliocentric model is better for planetary orbit prediction because it is significantly simpler. …
At the time of Copernicus and Galileo, the heliocentric model was no more correct than the Ptolemaic model, but I don't think that's been true since Newton. The earth and the sun revolve around a point that is much nearer to the sun than to the earth (so much so as to be inside the sun). If you want to say that the sun revolves around the earth, you have to say that the point is in or near the earth, which cannot be reconciled with gravitation.July 8, 2011 - 12:10 am Link to this Comment
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The National Weather Service has issued a frost advisory in effect Sunday morning in Middle Tennessee for the first time this season.
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"It's the first risk of the season, but it's only marginal. That means that the most at risk will be the deepest valleys and the traditionally coldest spots," Thomas said.
It's typical that Middle Tennessee gets its first frost threat in mid- to late-October, and Nashville's average first freeze - in other words, the average first time the air temperature at Nashville International Airport drops below 32 degrees - is October 28.
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SPOKANE, Wash. – It came down to the last game of the year, but the Gonzaga University baseball team punched its ticket to the West Coast Conference Baseball Championship Tournament with a 13-10 series clincher over 23rd-ranked Pepperdine University Sunday at Patterson Baseball Complex.
Gonzaga (25-27, 17-10) refused to lose with its season at stake and battled from a 5-0 deficit that Pepperdine (36-16, 18-9) built in the first inning. Both clubs make the tournament field with Pepperdine getting the No. 1 seed and the Bulldogs getting the third seed.
Eight different Zags drove in a run in the clubs highest output of the season. Cabe Reiten led the team with his career-best four RBI performance. Mitchell Gunsolus (two) and Nick Brooks (two) were the other Zags with multiple RBI games.
Down 5-0, Gonzaga stormed back in the fourth inning to tie the game. Reiten had his first of two doubles with the bases loaded to bring in a pair. Brooks notched both of his RBIs in the frame with a bases loaded single to left field.
GU took its first lead in the fifth inning on a Nicholas Minteer RBI base hit to left field. However, the Waves responded with two runs in the sixth and one in the top of the seventh to reclaim a 8-6 advantage.
The Zags battled adversity once again and scored four runs in the bottom half of the seventh inning to snag the lead back. The first run came in on a Joey Harris bases loaded walk and Jeffrey Bohling brought home another on a fielder's choice ground ball. Gunsolus then cracked his fourth triple of the year with two outs to score another two, which put GU up 10-8.
The Bulldogs offense was not done as it extended its lead with three more runs in the eighth inning. It was Reiten's second extra base hit that drove in a pair, followed by Beau Bozett's sacrifice fly to left field for the last score of the day.
Pepperdine's offense was paced by three home runs. Brandon Caruso, Aaron Brown and Manny Jefferson were the Waves who hit one out of the park. Catcher Aaron Barnett went 4-for-5 with two RBI in the game as well.
Senior Karl Myers (3-2) got the win for GU after working 3.2 innings. Myers allowed four runs on four hits but kept the Pepperdine offense at bay. Bulldogs starter Taylor Jones got roughed up for the five runs in the first inning but settled down for 5.1 innings of action.
Evan Dunn (0-1) was the losing pitcher of record after allowing four runs on two walks and two hits. Waves' starter Matt Maurer lasted five innings, allowing six runs on seven hits. In total, Pepperdine used six pitchers in the game.
GU and Pepperdine could face again in the next week at the WCC Tournament. Games will be played at Banner Island Park. Top seeded Pepperdine will take on No. 4 Santa Clara while the Zags take on No. 2 Loyola Marymount. First pitch for the Gonzaga game will be 7 p.m. Thursday.


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So this weekend sucked, but at least I'm feeling better. I'm getting used to walking around on crutches. School is gonna suck with everyone asking what happened to my ankle, and trying to get around school and stuff. I saw my gym coach today at the store. My mom and I went to the grocery store to get something for dinner. He was like "Oh kiddo what happened to your leg?" so I told him what happened and he said that I don't need to bring in a doctors note since he obviously knows that its really broken and I'm not faking it. Trevor,Conner, my mom, and I are all going out for icecream yay!
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LOUISVILLE, KY. (WDRB) -- A bill designed to help victims of domestic violence has resulted in a political fight. The Violence Against Women Act is causing controversy from Washington DC to Louisville.
At the Center for Women and Families, supporters of the Violence Against Women Act say it's needed to fund programs that help victims of domestic violence.
Five years ago, the smiles were few on Shannon's face. Her husband physically and verbally abused her, until she escaped with her three children. "I now realized, through the Center for Women and Families, that I have a voice," she said.
Shannon is using that voice to join Congressman John Yarmuth and others in support of the Violence Against Women Act, or VAWA. "I will forever, forever, be grateful and stand for women's rights against domestic violence," Shannon told those gathered for a news conference.
"The Violence Against Women act is crucial to the services we provide," added Marta Miranda, President and CEO of the Center for Women and Families.
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"It is unconscionable that Congress has not re-authorized one of the most successful programs in combating this violence," said Yarmuth, a Democrat from Kentucky's 3rd District.
Both Kentucky Senators Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell voted against VAWA. "Many of the things that the Violence Against Women Act wants to accomplish are better accomplished at the local level," said Paul.
Paul also says the problem was the $600 million price tag. "Even if it's for a good cause, if you come to me for diabetes, or hemophilia or violence against women, which are all noble causes that I support, I still have to ask myself, can we borrow the money from China for it?" he said.
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Although the Arizona Diamondbacks only split a four-game series with the Chicago Cubs the last time they faced each other, they left quite the impression with their two victories. The Cubs look for payback Monday in Arizona when they begin a three-game set with the Diamondbacks. Chicago, which was celebrating the 100th anniversary of the first game ever played at Wrigley Field on April 23, watched Arizona overcome a three-run deficit in the ninth inning to spoil the festivities.
One day later, Diamondbacks rookie Mike Bolsinger added insult to injury when he collected his first major-league win at Wrigley, less than 10 miles from where he grew up. The Cubs (40-54), who find themselves a game ahead of Arizona (40-56) for the worst record in the National League, enter this series with losses in eight of their last 10 contests. The Diamondbacks posted their worst first-half record since going 34-55 in 2010, but have won eight of their last 12 games against the Cubs.
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PITCHING MATCHUP: Cubs RH Edwin Jackson (5-10, 5.64 ERA) vs. Diamondbacks RH Trevor Cahill (1-6, 5.66)
Jackson registered one of the worst performances of his career in Saturday's 11-6 loss against the Atlanta Braves, giving up season highs in homers (three) and runs (nine) over 3 2/3 innings. "It was just one of those games where it was just embarrassing, how horrendous - flat-out, no other way to put it … pretty much just unacceptable," he told the team's official website. The 30-year-old, who made 21 starts for Arizona in 2010 and lost to Bolsinger on April 24, is 2-4 with a 4.80 ERA in nine all-time appearances (eight starts) against his former team.
After getting optioned to the minors on June 12 in order to get stretched out, following 15 relief appearances, Cahill was recalled on Monday and is scheduled to make his first start since April 13. The 2010 All-Star, who went 2-3 with a 4.45 ERA in seven combined turns at Single-A Vista and Triple-A Reno, began the season 0-4 with a 9.17 ERA as a starter before he was banished to the bullpen. Cahill got his only win in relief on April 23 and is 3-1 with 3.68 ERA in four career appearances (three starts) versus the Cubs.
1. Arizona 1B Paul Goldschmidt, who saw his career-high 32-game on-base streak snapped on Sunday, is batting .395 with eight of his major league-high 36 doubles in July.
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3. Goldschmidt (128) and the Cubs' Anthony Rizzo (101) rank first and second, respectively, in extra-base hits by first baseman since the start of the 2013 season.
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VALPARAISO | After hearing all the options developed so far for the Vale Park Road pathway between Keystone Commons and Windsor Park subdivisions, the city was asked Wednesday to come up with better options.
City Engineering Director Tim Burkman presented the proposed routes to the city's Redevelopment Commission and about 10 residents who live in subdivisions along Harrison Boulevard that would be adjacent to the pathway. The proposed routes were developed by the consultants from The Troyer Group based on ideas provided by city staff.
As proposed, the pathway would go south from the end at Keystone Commons and connect with the high school property before going west parallel to the boundaries of Oakwood, Manchester Meadows and Harrison West subdivisions before linking up with the cul de sac at West Wind Drive in Windsor Park.
An extension north of Keystone Commons to Ransom Road also was proposed along with a pathway along the southern border of the school property east to Campbell Street. Two routes were proposed for connecting with the latter path, both on school property.
Residents Rick Gabey and Bill Herring were concerned about the loss of privacy they paid for when they bought their property. The land north of the three subdivisions is farmland and forest now. Gabey feared the loss of the forest, but Herring felt the same about the corn field.
Herring said his subdivision maintains several miles of pathways within its 25 acres and the residents have had problems with criminal activity there. Assuring the commission, "This is not just a NIMBY fit," Herring said, "I'm very uncomfortable with the situation because we live with it now."
Resident John Walsh said he applauded the idea of bike trails but added, "I implore you to use alternatives to people's back yards. It's reasonable to expect there will be subdivisions (on the vacant land) some day, but not a pathway." He and others suggested the city use existing city streets, even those in the subdivisions, instead of building behind the homes.
Burkman said the pathway will be 10 feet wide within a 50-foot-wide right of way that will provide a buffer. The city would work to avoid taking out the trees as much as possible, and the pathway would be maintained by the parks department and patrolled by police.
The commission asked Burkman to meet with school officials to see what they would prefer done on their property. That information and the comments from the public will be taken back to the consultants to try to develop a plan more acceptable to everyone, and he can report back to the commission at a future meeting.
The city tentatively has a $708,000 federal congestion mitigation/air quality program grant for the project that originally was expected to cover 80 percent of the cost. The system unveiled Wednesday could cost up to $1.5 million and would require additional federal money.
The project design and land acquisition process are expected to last through 2013, with construction in 2014, and the commission's Executive Director Stuart Summers said CMAQ funds might not be available for it by then because of federal deficit reduction efforts.