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We want your feedback regarding a press release issued by the USGA
At Hireko we make every attempt to make all our models conform to the Rules of Golf. Most people don't know that submission of product to the USGA (or the R&A Rules Limited) is totally on a voluntary basis. After all this is a gentleman's game and it up to the manufacturers to follow the rules, just like it is for golfers to follow the rules on the course.
It used to be practice we would only submit product that we thought that might be questionable to a particular rule. But with advent of the rule to test for spring effect and subsequently the need for a Conforming Driver Head list, all that has changed. There is a possibility that in the near future that published lists for fairway woods, hybrids, irons, wedges and putters may soon exist too. Therefore to be on these lists will require manufacturers to pay the USGA to have their clubs tested.
Stricter rules are now in place for 2010 regarding grooves, along with changes on what can be sent (full sets versus a single or representative sample of an iron set) or assembled in some cases when it used to be just the clubhead. Designing a new golf club now has been longer as a result of all the due diligence in preparing to meet all the testing protocol guidelines.
In a press release just issued by the USGA, the organization will begin charging manufacturers to test their equipment to determine if it conforms to the Rules of Golf. This valuable policy of testing equipment has always been a free service in the past (other than golf balls).
Just going through and adding up how much it would cost for all our new for 2009 clubhead models to be tested; I stopped at $7000. While this might not sound like a huge amount of money, some one must pay it in one way or another. For a large manufacturer with a limited product line, this added cost can easily be absorbed. But for smaller companies with much more extensive products lines, it may require companies to rethink their policies.
Do you think Hireko should continue to send all our products in for testing into the USGA and pay them for the service? If you say yes, then realize that we must pass part of that cost onto you (or your customers).
Or do you think, heck with that, golf equipment is expensive as it is? Most golfers don't have an established handicap so why should they care, plus we like the fact you have such an extensive product line and don't want to see it shrink.
Let us know your thoughts…
50 Comments on How Important Is It To Have Hireko Clubs Tested By The USGA?
I think you should simply self-certify that you have applied all the known design limits and standards published by the USGA to your products. This works in a number of technical disciplines where standards are published and manufacturers certify that they are being met.
The USGA has lost a lot of credibility with the new groove rule. I have done everything I can to follow the rules with my equipment, but would not hesitate to buy irons or wedges in the future with old-rule grooves. Once that bridge is crossed, what's next?
With that said, I don't know how valid the rules are going to be considered in the future. Sadly, it won't take much more for me to just not care any longer and play with whatever works.
Cheers, Lee
I don't play in tournaments so I don't care if your clubs are tested by USGA. A statement from Hireko on whether your clubs conform to USGA rules to the best of your knowledge is good enough for me.
Great topic and a very complicated issue for you guys especially. To reduce the cost, the options are to trim down the product line, create competition models in each line, or create a competition line.
I know you're trying to build a little something for everyone, so I'd say maybe the 2nd option — competition models in each line. Take the XK for example. Do the draw models need to be USGA conforming? Take the beginner clubs out and that might reduce the number of clubs to be tested.
Wonder if you'd get in trouble for saying "designed to be USGA conforming" for the non-competition models.
I think anyone on any tour or competion should use USGA conforming clubs. Sometimes I have doubt that they are. Every bag I look at a all I see is prototype. It's the player's responsibility to insure that their equipment conform. For people who play just for fun and love of the game it should be different. Golf is not an easy game so anything that makes the game more enjoyable should be allowed.
I would echo the previous comments and say that for most people, the USGA certification is not required. If you could post a note that states "Conforms to the USGA design rules but is not certified" on the clubheads that are targeted for recreational golfers, I think that would be adequate. The only dicey parameter would be COR, so that might be tested within Hireko for publication purposes. The comment about a tested line for those needing USGA certification (and wre willing to a pay higher component price) is a very good idea. Keep up the good work.
As a clubmaker who sells to mostly weekend golfers, I could care less if Heriko's clubs conform to the USGA rules. Our customers are concerned about getting a good club for a low price. Pick out one set of Drivers, one set of irons and one set of wedges and have them tested just so we can say we have some conforming clubs. Thats it.
I agre with Lee Robson. You may work as under an ISO 9000 QA system: your procedures certify that the products manufactured aby Hireko comply to USGA regulations. Increasing costs just to be close to the Big Ones is senseless, specially in this times of crisis. Hireko products have been and still are excellent without needing USGA´s seal. Also, I think that if Tiger approachs Hireko to use the Acer XK driver you should do something about USGA´s certification…
Jeff: You and I discussed this last week and I agree with the previous statements. Nine out of 10 people could care less that their clubs either comply or don't comply. So do you cater to that 10th person? I think that the majority rules in this case. It really becomes a common sense thing as well as an economic decision. As has happened in the past, the whole thing will probably end up in some sort of litigation where the only ones who win are the attorneys! Just my opinion.
As one poster above mentioned, I would like to see a few "competition" models. I participate in tournaments which do abide by USGA rules, not that they check clubs, but if they did at least mine would conform. Of course, the problem with that is there are a lot of golfers who want the best equipment even if it won't make a difference. They will automatically go for those competition clubs because they know those are approved by USGA. That may result in lesser sales for the other, more forgiving, clubs.
Tough decision on your part. I would think that your clubs would still be cheaper than spending a lot of money at a retail on OEM clubs. USGA is not really doing anything for the "middle-man" with this decision.
Good comments above.
I'd vote 'NO'.
The price of equipment is going off the charts for the average person, and sales are reflecting that. The majority of the marketplace I believe, and certainly most I deal with, are highly price conscious these days… almost to a point of performance being a secondary consideration.
Clubmaker… Hireko Golf… Yes, you need the USGA seal of approval. After all, all other club makers started small and later won world approval, and USGA, for their efforts. Who is to say that champion golfers of the future will or will not demand Hireko Golf Clubs for the tour circuit!!! This is not a question for the golfer – it is a Hireko decision. I estimated the cost at around .75 cents to $1.50 per club for Hireko. Sooner or later all users of Hireko clubs will know someone on the circuit using Hireko USGA certified clubs!
I do not see anything wrong with the USGA charging for club testing as it may reduce the amount of just test them anyway attitude of some manufactures.
I do however believe that Hireko should have no problem standing behind there produces and if in doubt should either have the product tested or identified as Non conforming.
keep swinging .
I agree with the thoughts here – pick a top line line – certify it, and just show how what you're doing conforms to the rules for your non-certified clubs, and work from there…
But on a side note, I can't tell you how crappy I think it is that bodies like the USGA and the big manufacturers keep moving the economic bar higher and higher.
If I go out tomorrow with my dad, fiancee and uncle, (and in the center of Ohio, that's not gonna happen, but nonetheless) and my dad shoots 10 strokes lower than he's ever shot in his life, and my fiancee shoots in the 80's and my uncle beats em both – I couldn't give less of a hoot if they did it with a 16 clubs in their bag, 2 extra putters, and a driver that exceeds the moi or cor rules by 2% – or the driver head has a non-traditional indentation or whatever. They're having more fun because of their equipment, hireko or even hireko's competitors – are providing that, while making honest to god attempts to play fair.
It bothers me – a LOT – because I know deep down that this is a selling point, and the silly questions like "Well why doesn't the Mantara have it?" or "why isn't the dynacraft certified?" act as some ridiculous way of de-selling or devaluing the club.
You guys – all the component manufacturers are too good, too much better than the "real thing" sometimes – and it seems from afar like they're trying to fight you with a ICBM.
As a PCS class A, I inform my customers about USGA rules. But to be absolutely on line, we don't make clubs for tourmanet golf under most cirumstances, so while there could be cause for alarm, there really is not, in what we sell. I have made clubs for PGA pros, from Hireko components and have had no negative feedback. I think the biggest problem will be grooves, but not until 2020 for recrerational golfers. Paul M.
As a clubmaker I have not heard one of my customers in the past 20 years ask if the clubs I build adhere to the USGA standards. My concern is to keep the cost down as much as possible. Performance is the selling point and it gives me great pleasure to see one of my component drivers outperform the OEM's. I see local stores selling inferior golf equipment and not one of those clubs were ever tested. I trust Hireko when designing the components and thats good enough for me.
As a customer for 20 years,I personally would trust Hireko to design and test their clubs for compliance and not submit for testing providing you can do that? I play golf with half of my customers and the only time they question my clubs is when I out drive someone. Bottom line is that they laugh and don't really care. I believe that if I am able to say that Hireko tests for compliance by the USGA most people are satisfied with that. Some of this comes from trust in the integrity of the clubmaker also.Hal K.
It seems to me that the club builder/player is the one that ends of paying the cost. … Kind of like the taxpayer is the one that ends up paying for the bailout … … Sorry, but I guess that is another topic ..
I would say forget it … they will just keep changing the rules and we the customers/taxpayers will end up just paying the bill …
Myself, and most of my customers, benefit most in quality solid construction and not from the so call illegal stuff.
Just keep making well constuction heads, irons, shafts, etc …and we will keep buying/using.
I think Jorge Alvarez has it exactly right.
"I agree with Lee Robson. You may work as under an ISO 9000 QA system: your procedures certify that the products manufactured by Hireko comply to USGA regulations. Increasing costs just to be close to the Big Ones is senseless, specially in this times of crisis. Hireko products have been and still are excellent without needing USGA´s seal. Also, I think that if Tiger approaches Hireko to use the Acer XK driver you should do something about USGA´s certification…"
My addition would be that should you want to make a separate (more expensive) tour line then those items should bear the cost, not the rest of us who are happy with self-certification.
I'd like to better understand the difference between statements that say "conform" or "certified."
For example, can you say that "Hireko components are designed and manufactured to conform to all applicable USGA equipment rules . . ."
Or if you submit components to the USGA for testing, I would assume you would be able to state that "Hireko clubs/components have been tested and certified by the USGA as conforming to all applicable USGA equipment rules . . ."
From my perspective, the first statement would be good enough for anyone I would be building clubs for.
From Hireko's perspective, I would find out what Golfsmith, Golfworks, etc. are doing about this. If they are going to submit their products for testing, then Hireko may need to do this as well.
My customers (and myself included) are all beginning to mid level golfers, (20+ handicappers) out for fun, camraderie and fresh air. We may play in charity tournements, but probably never anything "serious," like the Hooters Tour. We do have standards, and want to play by the rules, so clubs that follow the rules are important, but budgets are equally or more important. Self Certification would be more than adequate for my customers and me. A bonafide certified "Competition" line would give us an option if we should progress to more serious tourneys, but most of the golfers I know that hit that level (<~10 handicap) have moved on to "big name" clubs, a moot point here. Price over 'prestige' is my vote. BTW-Great job on the new line. My easiest sell is when I hand my Hireko club to a prospective customer and let them hit it. They sell themselves.
Too often golf events end in the clubhouse with whining about handicap. The next step after this is the challenge of a particular club. If some player failed to cheat enough in handicap, then they will seek other ways to win.
I would like to see you certify your better clubs (drivers and wedges) and advertise them as such. Thus, a person can look for that feature and purchase the particular club needed.
I think George K is right, that you should know what your competition is up to, and going forward there is bound to be some bickering on conforming to USGA standards. It seems you'll have to get almost all drivers tested with the exception of beginner models. Fairways and hybrids that are marketed as high COR will need to be done. It's probably foolish to rush in and get all clubs done now unless you have a white knight out there somewhere that will foot the bill. Clubs aimed at better amateurs, scratch golfers and pros clearly need to be done. I would think you would want to get certain iron sets and performance wedges tested, and any new design that really pushes the design limits. Just my 2 cents worth & I hope this helps.
I agree that it is unnecessary to test every model – keep the prices low! I also agree with the idea of having a "competition" line for those who are competing where they need USGA certification.
I see no reason why your customers shouldn't trust your own claim to meet USGA requirements. After all, it wouldn't be good business to stretch the truth.
Heck yeah it should be tested, going forward that is.
I don't want anybody in my group having a hotter stick while I'm still playing by the USGA rules, be it Hireko or BigName gear. And I think it unconscionable to use non-conforming stuff to beat guys using BigName gear. Everyone needs to run the same size restrictor-plate.
Now to fix the real problem, the USGA: adding cost is creating a barrier to entry that unlevels the playing field in favor of the Bigs to the detriment of the little guys. So a re-allocation should occur of the overhead expense of testing based on the product of estimated production times estimated retail sale price. You make more, you pay more, because you benefit more.
Still sucks for you guys, though.
Did you get the legacy stuff and current lines done when it was free? If you saw this coming you should have.
After reading everyone's opinion I find it hard to submit anything different or earthshaking. However, I know that I "feel good" knowing that I play with equipment that "meets" the USGA guidelines. I play very few tournaments (outside of our local club) and I have never been challenged about the clubs I am playing and I'm sure (in fact I know) that there are players using clubs that in some way do not meet the specs. I would not submit your entire line to the USGA for testing. And I agree that you might want to build a "tournament set" for your customers who need that certification. For the rest of the line I would suggest that you state that the clubs are built to conform. Your's are great clubs at a price I can afford to pay to "upgrade" on a regular basis and enjoy doing so!!
Simple answer is to make one of your lines a "tour" line (Dynacraft being the logical choice). Certify all the clubs in that particular line. The Dynacrafts are forged and the most expensive of Hireko's lines so they make a natural choice for a USGA-certified line of clubs. I want to play USGA-approved clubs and the Dynacrafts are a great deal even with a slight markup in price. I'd stack them up against any of the OEMs.
Personlly I like knowing that if I sell a club to someone and they want to play a round in a tournament that they can do so. I have sold many clubs to those just starting out. It is nice to know that no matter what they do with golf in the future they can play what they have purchased. As for the PGA changing the rules, I say as with our govn, we can only blame ourselves if we dont step and do something about it then they are going to do it they way they think it should be done.
I am an old man with arthritis. I found the Bionic golf gloves to help the shock pain in my hands, but the USGA banned them because they gave an 'alledged' advantage. (Like certain 'legal' grips would not?) So I dropped my annual membership in the USGA.
I like the idea of 'self-certification,' and holding your prices down.
I put together a set of your Genesis Dynacraft irons last weekend with no intention of demeaning the game nor defrauding the USGA. I just want to hit the ball and wander around the course. If the USGA says I am not playing 'real' golf, then so be it!
How about *really* leaving it up to each customer? On your order screen, add a checkbox, "Would you like to donate $1 (or more) to your order to help cover the cost of submitting this club for USGA approval?" When you've collected enough money, submit the club. If enough people care about a particular club being certified, it'll take care of itself.
As added incentive, once you get enough donations and submit a club for approval, you could add a Thank You page for each club, thanking the individual customers responsible (if they choose to be identified).
Others have mentioned it and i agree. i would only certify what you deem to be "player" clubs. This should allow you to keep your overall costs down for the people who don't care and charge a slight premium to those who may use your clubs in a situation that they need to be certified.
Thinking on it, one of the things that made you stand out among other non name brand makers and clone builders is that you did have your heads tested and made sure you provided that information to customers.
Jeff, I think you should continue to test driver heads. There still are a few companies building true knock-offs. The ones I am familiar with do not test because they feel USGA will not test knock-offs. I do not buy knock-off drivers.
Some customers don't care, but every customer or prospective customer I tell that these driver heads comform to USGA standards are pleased to know that.
Your foundry knows what has to be done to conform, but it would be good marketing to be able to show the USGA conforming list with Hireko driver heads in your current new models listed as conforming.
Thanks to the Golf Channel many of today's golfers are very knowledgeable about golf club and shaft technology. They appreciate this effort by your company to closely adhere to these rules. This will further enhance Hireko's reputation for quality and service!
It also helps my reputation for quality, good service and proper fit!
I echo what several have stated over the last few months. When I was still playing competitive golf, it would be important for me to know that my clubs were USGA conforming because it would be important to know that no one in the field had an advantage because of club perks. However, the majority of your customers aren't going to be in this category. Those who feel this important are those competing and they are most likely to be playing the models for the low handicap golfers. So if you wanted to spend any monies to have models that are USGA certified, pick the model most likely to be used by the better golfers (e.g. Acer XK pro irons, XP pro XP905 irons, only low lofted drivers like 9.5 ICT, etc).
And as some others have suggested, a statement at the beginning of your catalog and web page indicating that although not all are tested , all club heads are designed to conform to USGA rules (those tested indicated by *).
I play a driver made by Wishon. It is designed for golfers with a slow swing. For me it plays great. I was a bit disappointed when I learned was not USGA conforming. Even though I just mostly play with my buddies, I felt a little guilty and actually switched to another driver for our annual golf tournament. But every day play, I use it all the time!!
Perhaps pressure from the major manufacturers is the reason they are asking for paid testing. This will keep the new start ups from becoming a competitor. If you wish to have testing,then only test the clubs that you feel a PGA pro might use and let the rest go.
I think if the governing bodies (USGA and R&A) were really looking into the best interests of golfers around the world, they would either make all equipment tests free for manufacturers or conduct their own tests for their own account.
I'm all for regulation. After all, regulation is what makes our great game what it is to an extent, but surely part of the monies collected by the governing bodies could be put to good use, ensuring their own standards are upheld.
None of the above is probably ever going to happen and my customers in particular like playing Hireko as they know their clubs will conform. It's an important part of the overall Hireko image and something I feel should be maintained.
Are you kidding me? I have no idea why anyone would ever submit their clubs to the USGA. Let the pros do it themselves, they make the money.
What, there are something like 3000 male and 2400 female pros, and another 10,000 wannbes… and 10's of millions of Joe Publics who do not fall under USGA rules. I want the best equipment I can get, I want extra spring effect, I want to swing nice and easy and fully under control and get a drive the goes straight down the middle 250-260 yards. I want non conforming clubs. This gentleman's game, elitist attitude is sickening. Who cares!!!!!! Why do they care!!!, Really why does anyone care what I do? This is supposed to be a free country, and I choose not to have anything to do with the USGA, so why do they care about me? I play golf 3-5 times a week when the weather is good. What is my handicap? I do not know, because I do not keep score! Do you know that actually bothers the random people I get paired up with. I regroove my own wedges really super non conforming, just for the fun of it. I have to laugh… I am so against regulation outside of the USGA events, in fact I would love to see the pros allowed to play anything…. same with car racing. It makes it so boring and dull. KEEP REQULATIONS OUT OF MY GAME!!!!!
Build a driver for the tour players, and then build the best driver you can. Golf club designers are like artists, with restrictions on the colors they can use. USE THEM ALL!!! There are so many people who do not care, you will actually make a lot more money selling non conforming clubs, it will pay for the testing of the ones you want to make conforming.
For those that really care, Deep down inside, ask yourself why you care. If it really has noting to do with your own ego, or fear of being bettered by someone with non conforming clubs then maybe there is something I am missing. You should play for yourself, play your own game for the fun of it. If you get caught up with all the other BS, then you have some real problems and are the type of players I can not stand! I will get in my cart and drive back to the starter, and just say, I am sorry, but I can not play with that group, their attitude is not enjoyable… and 100% of the time, I get to tee off again, because they have played with the likes of you too!
My opinion is Hireko's clubs should be certified.
Joe Public already has the option of paying less for clubs, so if cost is the only consideration, Heriko's usually aren't being considered anyway. Hireko must choose its market.
I only know a few boys playing Hireko clubs, they are very satisfied, and their satisfaction is the reason I'm considering Heriko.
I play 85 or more rounds a year, including three, 3 day tournaments. Every round is a competition of some sort. The non tournaments rounds are played with friends and acquaints, and normally something is wagered. Anyone known to play a non-conforming club is excluded from wagering.
Golf is a game! All games have rules! All games are competitive! I could go on an on and on. Should a person not compete, why the heck are they on a golf course? Are these the boys that cause a 6-1/2 hour weekend round? They're just swinging; don't care about consistency or where the ball goes? If there're not competing what's it matter how long they hit the ball?
So, those boys dreaming they're Arnold, Jack, Tom, Greg, or Tiger, but need a cart to drive 250 yards, well, they're just Day Dreaming. The rest of us play golf and enjoy fair competition.
Sure, you could abolish the RULES, turn golf into a stipulating endeavor, in which even the pirate Jack Sparrow might be out hustled by the likes of Sam Snead.
I don't believe non-conforming clubs are a big an issue in a USGA competition as USGA handicap is. I can "self certify" myself by saying I have honestly posted all my stipulated rounds, but that doesn't make it so. Too many times I have seen the same individuals clean up in tournaments because their handicap puts them in a class B, C or D division when they consistently play one or two divisions better. I have never seen them challenge any clubs and rarely the handicap. The USGA tries to eliminate this with the requirement to post tournament scores but I don't see much improvement.
If you certify the clubs conform to USGA rules, that should be good enough. If that certification is challenged in USGA event and proves to be non-conforming, then the certification should be removed until the non-conforming issue is resolved. In any event, if a club, conforming or non-conforming, is available to all, then who gives a rats a**.
Golf is a game of honor. The comments about playing for fun, being a weekend golfer, or fear of being bettered by someone with non conforming clubs shows the need for instant self gratification. No desire for practice, just instant gratification. Effort leads to gratification and self worth, not want. Also how many people with nonconforming golf clubs will be walking into the club house talking about the best game they just played? If a person wishes to play with nonconforming golf clubs they should not expect compliments nor should they self compliment, for it is the golf club not their ability.
In closing HIREKO had an article about the AMA awards. The money spent there could have tested how many clubs? I would never cold shoulder anyone on a golf course, but I will not say "nice drive" to anyone with a 600cc driver. The rules are there to level the field, ability not who can buy a better game is what makes a good golfer.
Jeff, I could care less if you submit or not. I recently read that Callaway submitted a new wedge that met every new guideline yet the USGA decided not to pass it. This story has been visited on both small and large OEM's in one form or another for quite a while.
I purchased a set of Acer XK's this past season and can assure you that they will not gather dust because of the new groove rule.
I prefer to trust you and your engineers to design heads both conforming and non conforming and giving us the option to buy what we want.
Best in the New Year – rob
I would say testing should be done on certain clubs/models(using your discretion); those that are designed with the "better" golfer in mind. I don't think the average golfer is that concerned about the USGA's opinion and/or approval process. However, I do think the better(low/single digit hdcp) golfer does care and, as I, aren't going to be as concerned about the price, as long as they have confidence in the product they are purchasing. Yes, cost has to be taken into consideration; but I think if you want a "better" product, you're probably willing to pay the price for it.
I echo earlier comments and say create a specific line that is USGA approved. I'd imagine that such an exclusive Hireko line will be quite popular, especially among your repeat customers.
I would suggest that most of the comments are correct in their analysis that there will be no appreciable effect on actual play of not getting certification. However, I am not as certain that the effect on marketing of your products will be as charitable.
Much of what the USGA has done is ridiculous, particularly with regard to grooves. (Petulant temper tantrums good rules do not make.) However, until a new, more reasonable, and responsive rule making body whose primary focus is the best interests of golfers can be establised, the USGA rules will be the standard. Failure to have clubs that are known to comply with the USGA standards or intentionally selling clubs that are known not to comply with the USGA standards will tarnish your sterlng reputation for quality.
I do not know how many clubs and heads you sell in a year. However if the cost to have your products tested is $7,000 and you sell 70,000 or more heads and clubs per year, the per unit cost is $.10 or less. I think that, as purchasers, we can absorb that cost to help maintain your reputation (and ours)for quality products.
I like the idea JK presented by taking one of the Hireko lines (ie. Dynacraft and have that line USGA certified).
One factor that hasn't been presented or I didn't see it. As a clubmaker who re-sells product after fitting and building for some customers selling/buying a non-certified USGA product lessens it 's value and appeal to some. Just something to think about.
Will all your irons conform to the new groove rules from the end of this year?
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I am a golf professional. I would say that the Hireko professional line of clubs should be submitted to the USGA for groove certification. I know that the USGA will do this for FREE for me at my request for any set I send them, but I must pay the shipping to and from the USGA. The "cost" is only nominal. If they charge Hireko something as a company for the testing, then Hireko could simply submit a set to me, or another customer, or submit a set to anyone working at Hireko, and then these willing individuals could pay the shipping to and from the USGA and get a certification from the USGA that the clubs do or do not conform to the current groove rules. So, I really don't see the problem expense-wise in getting the grooves certified by the USGA on any given set of clubs. And you only have to submit the 5 through PW or SW (depending on how many clubs exist in a given set). The shipping isn't that much. So telling customers that this will push up the cost on all Hireko clubs just makes no sense at all, as, again, it is only the "pro line" of clubs that would really need this. And what does it take to simply produce clubs with correct conforming grooves? And what does it take to simply continue to put the same markings on the clubs (front and back) over the period of time Hireko is manufacturing the clubs? The rules are simple and grooves have to be put on clubheads anyway. Just manufacture withing the specs set down by the USGA. How hard could that be? The "U" grooves with the edges given a small radius would be more engineering-intensive to get right than simply making "V" grooves to the correct size. SOLUTION: BUILD ALL PRO LINE CLUBS WITH "V" GROOVES TO THE CORRECT SIZE OR WITHIN THE LIMITS PRESCRIBED BY THE USGA. Another suggestion I have is to definitely make such "V" grooves slightly smaller in size than the biggest size permitted under the groove rule, to enable professional players the opportunity to sharpen the edges a few times in the life of their clubs. As professionals resharpen the edge of their "V" goooves (something you cannot do with "U" grooves, at least not within the rules) the "V" grows in size, and with a number of sharpenings the "V" grooves will exceed the limits (i.e. width) permitted under the USGA groove rule, and then it is time for the player to buy a new set of clubs. Indeed, I'd PREFER to have "V" grooves. IMHO a sharp edge on a "V" groove is better for spin than the radius edge on a "U" groove. I cannot buy any clubs that do not conform to USGA rules. Amateur players looking to play in USGA events and other pro events where the groove rule is in effect must have conforming clubs, and that is all there is to it. But better players are only going to be interested in the pro line of clubs anyway. So, again, I suggest Hireko just get the pro line of Hireko clubs checked out for FREE by the USGA (i.e. except for the cost of shipping). And, again, start manufacturing Hireko's pro line of clubs (or what would be deemed pro line clubs) with "V" grooves. A cheap solution — almost a no-cost solution — and everybody is happy. No costs to push-on to those golfers that seem to not care about their equipment conforming to USGA rules. But, I would add, because "V" grooves are so cheap to manufacture, being the cheapest groove to engineer, why not make all Hireko clubs with such conforming "V" grooves??? Then those golfers that bought such conforming Hireko clubs will have an expanded market in which to sell their clubs, and that makes Hireko clubs more attractive to all golfers because they can be resold knowing that they have "V" grooves that conform to the USGA groove rule.


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Double world champion Casey Stoner will make a dramatic return to MotoGP action next month when he tests a factory Honda RC213V at the Twin Ring Motegi track in Japan, MCN can reveal.
The outspoken but blindingly fast Australian, who retired from MotoGP immediately after the final race of 2012 in Valencia last November, will take part in a two-day test...
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Apr 11
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ow01fogno1 says:
We have heard all this before and about stoner,so I'm out.oh dear.
Jan 12
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doohanfan says:
Again, I am not attempting to detract from any of Rossi's, or anyone else's titles, and why is there a need to do so? Those that do detract from Rossi are wrong to do so of course, but I think we both know where all this incredibly tedious business started.
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Jul 12
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wosihound says:
You are being deliberately evasive.
I am not talking about his titles.
I want to know why you think he couldn't get anywhere near repeating his debut season on the Ducati, as a virtual rookie?
Your refusal to address a straight forward question, has you in danger of losing credibility.
Aug 11
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shallwedance says:
is there nothing happening? change the f*ckin picture its been days ffs!
Aug 02
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Hedgehog5 says:
"Why do you think Stoner was unable to get close to repeating his 2007 success over the following three years"
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AlexDAbomB69 says:
with a buck toothed antipodean, over 400 comments, you can't deny the lad still gets a reaction, come back Casey I say.
Again, winning 10 races and a championship is fairly difficult as far as I can tell. Not even Valentino Rossi or Mick Doohan did it in every year of their careers. Doing it twice is a great achievement of and unto itself. If you do it more times, even better obviously. So what? Is no championship valid unless you win the championship with more than 10 race wins in every year of your career? Unlike you I restrain myself from argumentum ad hominem Wosi, but this is and always has been a nonsensical argument. By any convention of logical argument, conventions of which you appear to be unaware, the burden of proof is on you, since you are making the negative case, proof of which you are unable to supply, given that it doesn't exist. Hypothetical arguments are all you have, and both everything and nothing can be proved by such arguments, with equal lack of validity.
I tell you why you need to explain DF..
..because you keep trotting out the same old shit using Capirossi as a yard stick, thinking it proves that nobody else could have got results on the GP07.
I have illustrated just how fast Rossi was on his debut at Qatar 2011..as fast as Stoner. Yet it doesn't seem to penetrate because he came 7th.
Dani beat Casey on the same bike last year and is the least accomplished of the 4 aliens..so Jorge and Rossi would have failed on the GP07 would they?
Stoner was lucky 2007, everything points to it and despite your blinkered nepotism, you understand ..which is why you can't answer a straight question.
The answer would stick in your throat.
Wosi. All the argumentum ad hominem and sophistry in the world won't change that.I actually don't care if Stoner was only good enough to ride at an absolute peak (and it was a peak, acknowledged by Valentino Rossi in 2007 among others) for 2 years, that was good enough for me and unlooked for prior to 2007. He obviously had good enough equipment to win in those years, as has everyone who has ever won a title, and may have had less good equipment in other years if not all the other years, and that's the way it goes in GP racing as well. If him being so good for those 2 years provokes such extreme bitterness in you, despite Valentino being so good for so much longer and winning 7 premier class titles and 80 premier class races (thus far) as well as his other achievements, I don't think the problem is mine.
Your's is the bitterness Pal..amply demonstrated that you haven't got the gumption to man-up over the advantages Ducati's bike had 2007.
To say what you know to be true, would discredit Stoner and be failing in your duty.
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First-Order and Temporal Logics for Nested Words. Rajeev Alur, Marcelo Arenas, Pablo Barcelo, Kousha Etessami, Neil Immerman, Leonid Libkin. Logical Methods in Computer Science. Vol. 4 (4:11) 2008, pp. 1–44
Nested words are a structured model of execution paths in procedural programs, reflecting their call and return nesting structure. Finite nested words also capture the structure of parse trees and other tree-structured data, such as XML. We provide new temporal logics for finite and infinite nested words, which are natural extensions of LTL, and prove that these logics are first-order expressively-complete. One of them is based on adding a "within" modality, evaluating a formula on a subword, to a logic CaRet previously studied in the context of verifying properties of recursive state machines (RSMs). The other logic, NWTL, is based on the notion of a summary path that uses both the linear and nesting structures. For NWTL we show that satisfiability is EXPTIME-complete, and that model-checking can be done in time polynomial in the size of the RSM model and exponential in the size of the NWTL formula (and is also EXPTIME-complete). Finally, we prove that first-order logic over nested words has the three-variable property, and we present a temporal logic for nested words which is complete for the two-variable fragment of first-order.
Nested Word, Temporal Logic, First-Order Expressive Completeness, Three-Variable Property, Nested Word Automata, Model Checking
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ATHENS — After Isaiah Crowell scored on a 15-yard run to give Georgia a 35-31 lead over South Carolina this past Saturday, everybody ran up to congratulate Crowell as soon he came to the Bulldogs' sideline.
Everybody, that is, but Mark Richt. The Bulldogs' head coach made a bee line for Michael Bennett and engulfed the big wide receiver in a bear hug.
"I was happy for the run Isaiah made, too," Richt explained this week. "But I grabbed that kid [Bennett] and gave him a big hug because that was a heck of a play he made."
The play to which Richt refers was Bennett's catch on third and one at the South Carolina 28. Bennett's number was called on a slant pattern and he pulled off an amazing shoe-top grab off a deflection for a four-yard gain and a Georgia first down. Two plays later Crowell notched the go-ahead score around right end.
"After watching it on film I thought that was one of the best catches I've ever seen," Richt said. "Especially considering how important it was at that moment. It's third down and if we don't make it we might be deciding to kick a field goal. He makes it, then we go score."
"It was an unbelievable catch," quarterback Aaron Murray echoed. "It hit one guy's helmet and I thought, 'oh, no, it's an incompletion.' I didn't even think he caught it at first. I thought it hit the ground. It was unbelievable the way he adjusted to the ball. Pretty nice."
As surely no one has forgotten, Georgia ended up losing the game anyway. But it wasn't because of the wide receivers, a unit that entered the season as one of the Bulldogs' question marks. It was a group about which many were still unsure after the season-opening loss to Boise State where some critical drops contributed to the outcome.
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In all, five different receivers have caught passes and four have recorded touchdowns.
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You know what? The more I think about it, Murray has not developed trust with his receivers yet nor is he familiar with their tendencies and vice versa. He has some with Mitchell, Wooten , and Charles, but that's it. I believe he had gotten too comfortable looking for Green and Durham and now he doesn't have a "go to" guy. This season will test his true ability as an elite QB by learning to spread the ball around. This can be done despite the play calling.
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08:00 PM ET No 1 OU at No 4 Florida State–This is going to be a great game! Josh and I have decided to make the trek to Tallahassee and Bobby Bowden Field to witness this game first hand. OU looks as good as ever with Coach Stoops trying to lead his players to another National Title game. It's been 53 weeks since Oklahoma whipped the Seminoles 47-17 on Sept.
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Dr. Luke Signing Off..
September 14th, 2011
6:28 pm
6th or 7th or 8th
September 14th, 2011
6:31 pm
Thanks for a great post, Chip.
In a lot of ways, I'd rather have a hard working kid like Bennett than a prima dona like Green. He might not make as many phenomenal catches, but he's a lot better for team morale and a lot less trouble off the field.
September 14th, 2011
6:32 pm
The dogs will win at least 9 and have a shot at 10 games. The miss state game is huge because of the way mullen's team manages game, have a feeling they will sweep the rest of the schedule. Plus miss state hasn't beating uga in like 50 years and karma is right the majority of the time and they wont be ranked in 3 weeks so we should definitely be favored in athens. With the dogs establishing a run game last week against one of the best d-lines in the country in my opinion look for murray to explode secondarys now that our run game WILL be sucessful. For all you haters, you better get back on the bandwagon before its too late because this team will be in Atlanta at the end of the year. Against LSU and Jarrett Lee throws 4 int's. All of you will be loving Mark Richt after this stretch we are about to go on.
September 14th, 2011
6:36 pm
Malcolm Mitchell can split defenses like AJ green and Bennett is going to rise before the season is over. Mitchell will be a top receiver in the SEC at the end of the year.
September 14th, 2011
6:40 pm
Dean Tate
In what way is Green a prima dona? Because he is black and light years more talented than Bennett? How many times has Green put the Dawgs in a position to win football games or made the game winning catch? He never dropped balls cause he was pouting. He never screamed at a press conference "just give me the damn ball!!!" And why even mention Bennett before you mention Wooten or Mitchell. It's subconscious man. Stop it!!!
September 14th, 2011
6:41 pm
dean tate go back to your shanty
September 14th, 2011
6:42 pm
I'm certain that something special is about to take place in UGA football. Something all Dawg fans will celebrate.
September 14th, 2011
6:42 pm
@wait and see
And BTW, Miss. St. beat the dogs last year for the first time in 50 years, or something like that…lol
September 14th, 2011
6:44 pm
We need more Dawgs with moxie…no cats btw…good listen to Coach DB of CC today on mayhem n duh am…Richt has 3rd highest winning % in FBS now with minimum of 100 games coached. We sure as sheet aint gonna get the 2 that are higher so if Richt does get blown out at UGA we will get saddled with a turd probably…I can see it now….hey Coach Mason u wanna second chance to take the job n then turn us down?
September 14th, 2011
6:47 pm
heh heh… Dougie Stewart.. Isaiah.. Stop holding that ball way out there son…lmao
September 14th, 2011
6:48 pm
I say if CMR goes, get Mike Gundy
September 14th, 2011
6:48 pm
He's a man, and he's 43
September 14th, 2011
6:49 pm
Make that 44
September 14th, 2011
6:50 pm
Mark it down…Dawgs about to go on run!
UGA 65 Coastal Carolina 9
UGA 43 Ole Miss 24
UGA 38 Miss State 37
UGA 34 Tenn 32
UGA 44 Vandy 21
UGA 55 New Mexico 17
UGA 38 Auburn 35
UGA 37 Nerds 24
September 14th, 2011
6:53 pm
UGA 45 Coastal Carolina 17
UGA 35 Ole Miss 24
UGA 24 Miss State 37
UGA 27 Tenn 35
UGA 44 Vandy 21
UGA 55 New Mexico 17
UGA 28 Auburn 42
UGA 37 Nerds 35
Dawgs go 6-4 rest of the way
September 14th, 2011
6:57 pm
"Mark it down…Dawgs about to go on run."
Dream on. And stop swilling the Kool-Aid, fella.
September 14th, 2011
7:05 pm
AJC headline: Former Georgia Bulldog Curran arrested
Beating up his girlfriend, who by the way, is not the same one he knocked up while he was at UGA and then abandoned her and never made child support payments to.
Just a freakin' deadbeat, typical of the punks Mark Richt keeps recruiting.
September 14th, 2011
7:48 pm
The best young receivers in the nation wear orange. Everyone knows that …
September 14th, 2011
7:48 pm
Knock 'em up and beat 'em up – The UGA Way .. yeah, and no one else was recruiting Rennie .. whatever dude, these arguments are so weak.
September 14th, 2011
7:51 pm
slydog, I don't think they go 6-4 the rest of the way .. I think 9-1 is legit, and 8-2 at worst.
September 14th, 2011
8:03 pm
so TK called it huh? he knew that they would be contributors. thanks for contributing to an 0-2 start.
September 14th, 2011
8:04 pm
It's good that the young receivers are having early success. Bit what kills me is how some fans demonize AJ Green? He wasn't a guy with an attitude problem. He never got arrested in Athens or any where else. And if all this angst is about that dang jeezy he sold then you need to be ashamed of yourself. Some of you all are some small.minded, jaded, petty people with absolutely no life outside of your worship of a football team.
September 14th, 2011
8:11 pm
Georgia can win out if Murray starts playing like Stafford instead of Tony Romo.
September 14th, 2011
8:11 pm
Richt hugs a reciever for doing what he's supposed to do in the first place, CATCH THE BALL, and people wonder why we are 14-14 in our past 28 games.
There are Pop Warner coaches that don't even hug their recieves for catching a ball.
September 14th, 2011
8:14 pm
Throughout the spring and then summer we kept hearing Bennett's name and then leading up to the season we were hearing all about Mitchell. Then in the dome it was Brown and King who seemed to have gotten the playing time. I understand they had the experience, but both have proven to be less than at first advertised. Not knocking the young men, not necessarily questioning Bobo's thought process, nor attempting to in a roundabout way bash CMR. Just implying the guys who give us the best shot to win need to be out there.
September 14th, 2011
8:21 pm
Let the pups play!
September 14th, 2011
8:39 pm
I like what Evansdawg September 14th, 20116:42 pm said, something goods gonna happen and then all the complainers will go to the other extreme claiming their never ending and always constant support and love for the Dawgs.
September 14th, 2011
9:01 pm
I agree. Something very good is going to happen for the BullDawg Nation. I predict that it will happen before this season ends.
Just remember: The Lord works in mysterious ways.
September 14th, 2011
9:05 pm
Very positive article and there's been very little lately.I feel the kid is special( Bennett) and I wish we would recruit more kids like him on the lines, if you get my drift.
September 14th, 2011
9:06 pm
slydog he mentioned bennet because thats who the article was about no racism intended.
September 14th, 2011
9:14 pm
Oh don't we attract some nasty posters! Dean Tate would be ashamed that some ass clown used his name in such an unseemly fashion to post such a false, malicious insinuation about a fine young man who NEVER had a moments worth of bad episodes associated with his name. No, Dean Tate would have whipped your tail right before he sent you packing. I knew Dean Tate, an absolutely great and wonderful man. You dishonor his name you idiot!!!!!
Yes, Michael Bennett's catch was special, and I appreciate Coach Richt recognizing it.
No doubt those Tenn WR's are awesome, and Da'Rick Rogers is as good catching the ball as he is kicking a man in the ground senseless. Someone to hold up as a role model and another wonderful role model for all big orange fans. How's Janzen Jackson these days?
No idea how the Dawgs do from here going forward. Here's hoping we go 10-2.
We Georgia fans have no quarrel with Alabama, great program, great team. Ala fans should feel good enough about themselves that they don't feel it necessary to fret about us.
Auburn fans, you don't respect yourselves, your school, so why should the rest of us bother with respecting you? The greatest Auburn tradition is cheating and probation. Happens every decade, it is who you are.
Please, you GT supporters, go back to your slide rules and tickle piles. I know disappointment has spread across the campus today with the news that the originator of DragonCon has been arrested. Seems as if he got out of his wheelchair, tossed aside his oxygen mask, disrobed, and climbed into bed with a 14 yr old boy. Heroes make mistakes also. Hey, the good news is Fish Fry has you boys 2-0 with stirring triumphs over West Georgia and Middle Tenn, just the thing that calls for a tickle pile celebration. Go Jackets!
Go Dawgs
September 14th, 2011
9:18 pm
Someone give me a headline in the Birmingham News if Bama was coming off 8-5 and then 6-7 and were at 0-2 this year………..
Mine would be……." Today, enough bricks were found on Saban's office floor to build a fireplace". No one hurt, See page 2D for pictures.
September 14th, 2011
9:21 pm
I think we have some strong young playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. The problem is still in the trenches and all the coaching hype. Realistically the Dawgs will probably drop 2/5 big games (MSU, TN. FLA, AUB, GT) and finish 8-4, best case scenario. Worst case scenario is they keep finding a way to lose and Richt leaves with a 6-6 record.
On another note, Had a conversation with some guys at work regarding Georgia. Some of which played college ball so not all just arm chair coaches like myself. Consensus is Georgia's offense, more particularly BoBo, is a problem. Georgia offensive numbers are decent on paper but the problem is game management. We don't drive, eat up clock, and control games…no game management. BoBo scores points, but they're quick strike and we put the defense right back on the field. This leads to the other team running down the field on a tired Georgia D. Hence the shoot out years we have seen since Moreno left and we gave up on the run. BoBo and RIcht get some faith in Mr. Crowel, O line steps up, and we start controlling games rather than scoring points and maybe just maybe we play in Atlanta again. Not optimistic after the last two seasons, but I'll hunkered down every Saturday regardless. GO DAWGS
September 14th, 2011
9:26 pm
You are correct about our Defense being ask to stop a team often starting about mid field for the offenses inability to get a first down and punting deep in our territory. Happens A LOT. We are the one who use to have 8-10 minute drives and wear out the other defense. Grantham boys held them to 17 points in my book Saturday. 28 point came of turnovers
September 14th, 2011
9:32 pm
got to say it, the recievers improved more from week 1 to week 2 than any other position.
September 14th, 2011
9:39 pm
Would like to see us get in a jumbo package with figgins and 3 TE's, 2 on one side, and run some pitch out to Crowell and see what happens. Me thinks he gets 4-10 yards against anybody per down.
September 14th, 2011
9:41 pm
also, figgins out of the backfield on a pass route worked Saturday. He has good hands and delays in the flats, he's wide open a lot.
September 14th, 2011
9:56 pm
I don't think Saban would have made it past the 6-7 part. Nick is a great HC, but he's not bigger than the University. There are other coaches out there. You're right though, Richt would have long since been fired at any of the top 6* SEC schools by now.
1. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Tennessee
5. Auburn
6. Arkansas
September 14th, 2011
10:01 pm
'In what he called the "toughest decision I've had to make in my life," junior linebacker Rennie Curran said he will forgo his final season of college eligibility and enter the 2010 NFL draft."
Sometimes in life, the tough decisions require the tough action. Entering the NFL draft was the easy way out. I can remember telling my son that same thing during the challenging years , when the road forks, often taking the easiest way isn't the right choice.
September 14th, 2011
10:09 pm
When this team learns ball control they are going to be pretty darn good. I think many of us forget that there are a lot of pups that are being counted on. Making mistakes is part of the growing process, in life and in football. I look forward to watching them get better every week. The players and coaches are out there busting their tails and I'll be damned if I wont support them. GO DAWGS!
September 14th, 2011
10:12 pm
I think if you compare numbers, Murray and Joe Cox were about the same. And why is it everytime Murray has something to say about one of his young teammates, he calls them kids? What is he? I hope the Dawgs get a big early lead, so maybe then CMR will put Hutson Mason in for some much needed work.
September 14th, 2011
10:13 pm
Gravy, I look forwad to seeing them get better weekly also. But, when's the last time we were a ball control team? Richt coaches a fast break, flashy, finesse, style offense. Coach has to coach it before the team can learn it.
September 14th, 2011
10:39 pm
Going Down With The Ship
To take your chance in the thick of a rush, with firing all about,
Is nothing so bad when you've cover to 'and, an' leave an' likin' to shout;
But to stand an' be still to the Birken'ead drill
is a damn tough bullet to chew,
An' they done it, the Jollies — 'Er Majesty's Jollies —
Mark Richt and his Loyalists too!
Their work was done when it 'adn't begun; they was younger nor me an' you;
Their choice it was plain between drownin' in 'eaps
an' bein' mopped by the screw,
So they stood an' was still to the Birken'ead drill, Mark Richt and his Loyalists too!
September 14th, 2011
10:40 pm
Da'Rick and Justin…….
The two best young receivers in the SEC……Justin Hunter and Da'Rick Rodgers.
The best young QB in the SEC…..Tyler Bray
The best young defensive linemen in the SEC…..Sharieff Floyd, Dominque Easley, Ronald Powell
The best young defensive backs in the SEC…..Marcus Robertson and Pop Saunders
Vols vs. Gators………Should be a fun game to watch.
September 14th, 2011
11:09 pm
Two things…..first if we all can remember correctly harton was the) everybody raved about during camp and bennett was the reciever that received the same credit ….I hope to see them more often clearly they have earned respect from their teammates…..and marlon brown looks good….while playing hurt even….and dean tate….diva must b a new skin color….lol…u stink


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Good day!
I want to switch from MySQL to CouchBase and I have been having some problems doing this. After reading all the tutorials, manuals and googling for hours, I still need an answer to the following questions please:
1. How do you programatically declare a new CouchBaseClient instance? I need to connect to different buckets depending on the user which logs on. The Getting Started tutorial only mentions this as possible, but doesn't give any actual way of doing it.
2. How do you create new buckets programatically? I need this to create a new bucket everytime someone registers. Nothing on the internet regarding .NET, only from telnet and through a command line.
Thank you very much!
Hi Tony,
I see that you saw my answer on StackOverflow, but including it here for others who might have the same question:
Answers below. A few things to consider... It's relatively expensive to create a client instance. You generally don't want to create a new CouchbaseClient (with bucket affinity) more than once per app domain.
Also keep in mind that buckets aren't really meant to be per-user multi-tenancy. Buckets are somewhat analogous to databases - if you were to use the MySQL for this app, would you create a new database for each user?
You can read more about setting up multiple buckets in config at:
var config = new CouchbaseClientConfiguration(); config.Urls.Add(new Uri("http://localhost:8091/pools/default")); config.Bucket = "default";
var client = new CouchbaseClient(config);
This functionality currently is not part of the .NET Client Library.


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Immediately Norm's face took on an entrapment type of look, a "what is she up to and what's this going to cost me?" look.
You see, with our 40th anniversary approaching as well as Valentine's Day, I have been doing a great deal of reminiscing. I felt it was time, because of our ages, for me to list as many of the great things he has brought into my life as I could. I do not want to leave this wonderful life without him knowing I have not forgotten any of the little things he has said or done for me as well as the bigger ones. How secure he has made me feel. His hand on my forehead when he's worried that I'm coming down with something; the "you sit, I'll do the dishes" if I've had a tiresome day; to the always ready to listen times when something goes wrong. These are what I needed to talk about and to thank him for.
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Two 1-inch thick Ribeye steaks at room temperature
Pat steaks dry. Brush each side with:
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Cover and rest 30 min.
On hot grill, sear steak on each side for 2 minutes
Cover the grill and cook for 3to 4 minutes or until the *thermometer reads 120 degrees for rare.
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Serve with large dollop of Stilton sauce.
*Note: When testing for temperature, insert thermometer horizontally in the side of the meat. Using this method, the meat is properly tested in its center.
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