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How to behave so your dog behaves, preventing dog bites, and more
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Submitted by anonymous | May 18 2011 | Permalink
I'd like to know if any dog breeds bite more than others and if they do then why is it? Also, why do dogs seem so universally aggressive toward men in uniforms?
Are some dogs more aggressive:
There are definitely dog breeds with a greater reputation for biting although this is not a good predictor of which individual dogs will bite. For instance, if you ask a veterinarian which breed is most difficult in the vet hospital they may list chihuahua, dachshund, cocker spaniel. Note that pitbull is not on that list. So then the question is why are they so aggressive. The most common cause of aggression is fear. Here's an article (and poster) that show the signs of fear and what people do to actually make it worse accidentally (http://drsophiayin.com/blog/entry/dog-bite-prevention-dogs-bite-when-hum...).
The most common cause of fear is incomplete socialization for the needs of the dog. Then the next issue is which dogs are more likely to become aggressive due to their fear. I think the more high arousal dogs are. And for sure those dogs where the owners actually socially reinforce the dog by yelling in an excited way (No. NO sounds like go! Go!) or yanking them around rather than ). The reason dogs love to bark at people in uniform such as the postman is that their barking/lunging is reinforced every day. When the postman comes and drops mail in the slot, it causes a distrurbance that alerts the dog (or if the dog sees the postman approaching it's a "disturbance" too). The dog naturally barks and the postman goes away which is exactly what the dog wanted. So the dog's barking behavior has been reinforced. Then the behavior may generalize to other people in uniform.
What owners should do when they have dogs bark and run towards the postman is train an alternate behavior such as running to you and then getting rewards—long enough so that the post man has left and the dog is no longer in high alert mode. That way the dog isn't practicing his unruly overly aroused behavior. And he's learning more appropriate behaviors. The problem with letting them practice running and barking at people is that if they get out and do the same, once they reach the person in a highly aroused state you don't know how the dog will react. If the postal worker holds still the dog may just calm down. If the postal worker backs away and looks scared or flails his arms and yells causing more excitement, the dog may get even more overly aroused and bite. (Just like how fans at a soccor game get so excited they break out in a riot!)
Dogs with high prey drive and that are more stimulated by sounds are the most likely to learn this "run at the postman and at intruders" behavior.
Submitted by LovesALatte | May 18 2011 | Permalink
I have a very good and smart dog. (austrailian shep/border collie) She has learned all sorts of things very quickly, except she pulls on her leash when she sees another dog. It's driving me batty. I live in a very dog friendly community. She is great with other dogs, but she just wants to go sniff them out, as soon as she sees one. Do you have any pointers for me on this? Thank you.
A great way to curb pulling is to stop walking when the dog begins to pull. When she turns back to you, mark the behavior (click or "Yes!" or "Good!"), treat if you are using a food reward, then begin walking again. Dog pulls, stop; dog turns to you, go.
You can use a food reward, but the act of moving forward can also be seen as a reward since that is really what your girl wants to do.
Submitted by Seana Parker-Dalton | May 18 2011 | Permalink
Any ideas about modifying/redirecting a strong prey drive? We've been through obedience two, (which she passed with flying colors) but my German Pointer must currently be on leash or on a cable at all times, or she will run around finding small things to kill until someone catches her. I feel really bad that she doesn't get to play as freely as she should, but, I feel worse for her victims!
for this and the post about dogs who pull on leash, again, I start with the say please by sitting exercises (http://drsophiayin.com/resources/video_full/say_please_part_ii). This is the first step in training focus and using your body movement to make the exercises fun.
Overall I tell people that we want to learn to lead like a leader in a dance. We have to move in ways that make it fun to the dog and make it clear what we want or they get confused and bored. And we need to think like "MTV." Dogs like MTV not masterpiece theater. So if we have an energetic dog and we are a step behind them in figuring out what the next step is, then they will get bored and do their own thing (take the lead themselves).
I have a video on this philosphy (illustrating examples) on my home page at www.drsophiayin.com
Once he learns the fun sit exercise--they are repeat sits with you running backwards (every time you stop he sits in front of you and looks at you, then to the side, then forwards with him sitting at your side, then you can do these exercises to keep him focused on you in distracting situations. e.g. he's learning that you're as fun as the distractions. Make sure he's hungry and you have really good treats.
Realistically, many dogs may need to go through the learn to earn program first. I'll address that in the next post in a few minutes (look to the bottom of the page:-).
hi there.. I have an almost 3 year old German pointer that gets SO excited when we first meet someone.. he is beside himself with excitement.. we may have just met this person or dog for the first time, or for the 10th time.. no distinction. he is excitable and jumpy.. out of control... and embarrassing (if I don't know them especially).. what can I do to reduce his excitability? thanks!
Submitted by Daniela Lopez | May 18 2011 | Permalink
Victoria Stilwell wrote an article about this problem in one of our past issues. Check out the article "Does Your Dog Have a Greeting Disorder?" available online here.
What you want to do is train your dog to sit calmly to greet. This can be an easy one step process or it may require a bunch of foundation exercises. The way I train it systematically is
1) First train the dog that sitting gets him what he wants (see http://drsophiayin.com/resources/video_full/say_please_by_sittin). This takes all of 5 minutes.
2) Then make sit a fun game since it's going to have to be as fun as jumping on the person (see: http://drsophiayin.com/resources/video_full/say_please_part_ii).
Now you have the tools to keep him focused on you when the person is approaching. It will also help if you have a gentle leader head collar because while he's sitting you can hold his leash right near the snap to help him know he shoudl remain sitting.
When you greeter approaches, have them first wait while you get your dog seated. Then hold his leash near the snap so he can't move far if he gets up. Then have soft treats that you hold right up to his face in a location that keeps him in a sit position (e..g if treats are held away from his face they may lure him to stand or they give him time to look at the person and get up). When he's sitting and just focused on eating, let the greeter come up to pet him. When he's continues to remain seated and calm, you can add time in between treats. e.g. let him nibble the semi oist treats in your hand and then after he's had some treats, pull you hand a way for an instant but then get it back to him with more treats before he gets up. Increase the interval between treats when you can. I have this in pictures in my upcoming ebook Perfect Puppy in 7 days. It probably comes out on next week. you can find out more at www.drsophiayin.com
We live in a rural area, where lots of dogs roam off-leash (sometimes with owners nearby, and other times not). We always walk our 3 dogs on a leash (they are sight-hounds, for one!), and have been attacked multiple times. Once by an aggressive cattle dog mix who nearly killed our greyhound. Once by a fear-aggressive Rottie who bit at our Whippet and did some damage but luckily didn't go for the kill. We've also had countless just-in-times (a car drives by and scares away the other dog; the owner shows up and calls back the dog, etc.) Other than carry Direct Stop and/or not take our dogs for walks, what can we do to protect ourselves and our pack from potentially aggressive dogs? [We've already filed complaints with the town, to no avail.] I'm at the point of not walking the dogs unless my husband can come with me.
Thank you!
My rescued English bulldog LOVES to gum stuffed animals or pillows. She doesnt chew them, just kind of sucks on them until she falls asleep. I understand chewing may be away of relieving stress..is she doing the same thing here?
Submitted by marlene | May 18 2011 | Permalink
My pug does the same! She sucks on the nose of her teddy bear and pushes down with her front paws, almost like a cat. She almost looks like she's in a trance. What is that?
Mine does the same with her blanket! She chews and wrestles it for awhile, then falls asleep!
My dog, Wally, does this too, always with his favorite ball (the Dogbol by Petprojekt). I call it "zenning out". He'll even begin whining/moaning while chewing, especially after a rousing game of fetch.
I'm curious to hear what Dr. Yin has to say about this behavior!
What are your views on squirting dogs with water to stop behaviors
I think about that too. if that reinforces the bad instead of the good.
The issue with spray guns/water bottles and other punishers is that you're not really training an alternate behaviors. The general approach to changing behavior is to remove the rewards for the unwanted behavior and rewarding more appropriate behaviors instead. For instance if the dog jumps, you want to remove what he wants (your attention, yelling, touching) and proactively reward sitting insteads.
And reward it repeatedly until he learns to remain seated (not just jump, then sit, then get treat, then jump again!). Or if you have a dog that pulls on leash you want to stop before he gets to the end of the leash (and use a hands free leash so that you don't accidentally let him pull your arm a little--because if he does it's not clear to him that you've stopped). then when he sits and looks at you, (because you trained say please by sitting already) you can reward him with treat or praise (if he likes it) and then walk on in a clear manner that shows you are moving fast.
so the problem with spray bottles is that without first training an alternate behavior that he should be performing to get what he wants, the spray is not that likely to work (works only in really easy dogs). Plus it could also become a reinforcer--meaning if he wants attnetion, it is a form of attention. And 3rd, you may need to carry it at all times becuase you never really trained an alternate behavior. 4) some dogs may be really fearful of the spray--and for these dogs there's a possibility that they start being unsure of what you are up to. e.g they never know when something bad will happen to them. (especially if you are not completely consistent at using the spray bottle the instant that they do the unwanted behavior.So to them sometimes they are allowed to do the bad behavior and even rewarded and other times you spray them. This is very confusing to dogs and for fearful dogs it can have amplified detrimental effects.
So, in short:-) I don't use spray bottles because it doesn't train an alternate behavior. I need to have an alternate behavior trained well before I can expect the behavior to change. I am not against using a spray bottle once the dog DOES have a well established alternate good behavior to perform. But if I need to use the spray bottle repeatedly (over 3-5x) then it's not working and I haven't removed the reward for "wrong" behavior and rewarded appropriate behavior well enough.
Sometimes something is said that makes the light bulb turn on. "I need to have an alternate behavior trained well before I can expect the behavior to change." Time for some remedial obedience work. Thanks, Dr. Yin.
This is why I love the Open Thread. It's so great to hear everyone's points of view and interpretations on these various problems and solutions.
Submitted by Becky | May 18 2011 | Permalink
I'm currently traveling in Europe and I rescued an American Staffordshire Terrier from a dog fighting situation while I've been abroad. I'm flying back to the US on Tuesday, he's had all his shots and we have an appointment to get his health certificate from his vet in Holland, all the logistics are in place but I'm worried about his stress levels. He's an amazing dog, well adjusted, no agression issues, loves dogs and people, no gaurding issues and is coming along quickly with obedience, i would hate for him to have a bad experience and turn fearful or worse. Are there any tips to make his journey on the plane any less stressful than it has to be?
Does he already love to be in his crate. If not, that's the first thing I'd train. You still have time. You can find the version of the protocol for cats here: http://drsophiayin.com/professional-resources
(sorry I have a dog one but it's not posted in my web site).
Basically you feed him his meal in his open crate regularly and also put yummy treats for him to find. Plus make the crate comfy. Once he loves the crate enough so he goes in on his own and rests, you can start locking him in for short periods with really tastey treats (e.g. kong toy with canned food and kibble in it or frozen with treats in it). Let him out while he's still calm.
You can also play games where you send him in and then have him lie down and reward with treats and then his final reward is he gets to come out. THis is for dogs who really want to come out. My JRT is great with crates but didnt like going into the small one thats in my room because he didn't want to be locked in for the night. So I put him in, had him lie down for 10 seconds and then gave him what he wanted most--I let him out to jump on my bed. (e.g. I said "ok" and that meant to him he could come out and have what he wanted which was to be on my bed). After that I sent him back into the crate and this time he sprinted in happily and then lay down and wagged his tail --instead of looking sad like he had looked before. And again, I let him out and let him jump on my bed. Then the next night when it was time for bed,even before I had a chance to say anything to him, instead of trying to jump onto my bed, he sprinted into the crate on his own because he associated it with good things (getting access to my bed).
You might also want to get or make a CD of airport sounds (or download sounds of a royalty free sound effects site) and pair the sounds with food so he has a good association.
Teaching Dogs to Learn to Earn: A fun way to develop leadership.
For the questions about dogs who can't focus on you because they want to jump on people, greet dogs/people, hunt. If the basic exercises I listed earlier don't work alone, then your dogs probably need to go on the learn to earn program at least for a week. This program starts with interactions in the house.
The dog learns that he only gets what he wants when he automatically sits and asks for it and never gets what he wants otherwise. e.g he's attached to you on leash so he can't blow you off and get rewarded for other things. Then he must walk next to you when you walk from one place to another (but he's already learned this as a fun game), and must sit whenever you stop (automatically-not being told), to be petted, to do out the door, to come in, to get food dropped on the ground, to play fetch. Goal is he learns he can get what he wants if he looks to you for guidance and shows emotional self control (impulse control). So you're not the bad guy, it's just how the world works. WHen I do this, I use ALL motivators to my advantage because I want to get it trained fast! So I have them work for all of their regular meal and I feed them less if they are not willing to work for it (sheesh, they only have to sit!). THis is about the humans learning to be aware of what they are rewarding and realizing that their dogs won't really focus on them and behave outside if they don't first look to owners for guidance/leadership inside. It's about making the good behaviors a habit because other behaviors don't work--not just about getting them to behave when you have a treat. Here's an example of dog learning she only gets petted and excited attention when she sits calmly and she only gets to come out the door if she sits politely and has self control. http://drsophiayin.com/resources/video_full/stellah_sits_for_excited_pet...
here's an example of my dog showing he understand he must heel next to me in order to get to the toy he wants so much. It's about teaching them they can have what they want if they do what you want--but making it just a fact of life http://drsophiayin.com/resources/video_full/happy_jack_russell_terrier_h...
Submitted by Irene Ahern Smith | May 18 2011 | Permalink
My 5 year old Wheaten Terrier has become very possessive of people when they try to leave our house. He jumps and barks and nips at them and tries to get them to stay. How do I get him to stop? Why all of the sudden is he acting like this?
Hah! This is a perfect situation to use the Treat&Train or Manners Minder. It's a remote controlled and automatic treat/kibble dispensing reward training system that I developed in 2004 with the Sharper Image. It's now sold by Premier Pet. IT comes with a protocol(DVD and instruction book) that shows you how to train your dog to run to a rug and lie their calmly in the face of high distractions such as people coming to the door, you leaving the house, sounds outside that they want to bark too. It can basically be used to train dogs to be calm instead of barking, whining, racing around in many typse of situations (such as dog barks when crated or separated from you).
Basically the training is in stages
1) train dog that food comes out of the machine. Like clicker training, he learns that the sound of the machine (a tone) means he'll get a treat. In this stage you also train him to focus on you to get the treat rather than being entranced by the machine and rather than barking at or pawing the machine!
2) Then we train dogs to do a down-stay. once lying down you have the machine release treats every 3 seconds for a minute. Then when dog stays down entire time you "release him" and take a break and then repeat. Next step is to repeat but with treats coming at 5 seconds, then 7, then 10 etc. So we systematically train the dog to stay lying down with fewer and fewer rewards. (for me training this takes just about 2 days but for owners it's more like a week)
3) Then when he can lie down on cue and stay for a minute with treats coming just once every 20-60 seconds (your choice) we train him to also stay when you add distractions such as people running around or heading to the door. For me this takes just 1-2 days but for owners again, it takes longer.
But generally its' a stepwise process and the small steps are what make the training go so fast. Then when you want to leave the house, you send the dog to his rug and walk out. At first you can just always give dispense treats as you're leaving.
You can find an overview video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOiJsjaLTA
Submitted by Laurie | May 18 2011 | Permalink
My 13 month old lab has started woofing at other dogs when they walk past the front yard. As soon as I hear, I distract the behavior by calling him to me and rewarding his recall. Other than distraction training from unwanted behavior, any other suggestions on how to stop unwanted barking?
Hey Laurie:
You're off to a great start! The next step is to see if you can set the situation up so that you can get a lot of practice within a few days to a week so that you can just make this new behavior a habit. At the same time you want to make sure he has no opportunity to woof at dog walking past.
So, if you can set the situations up then you can actually call him over right as he starts to hear the dogs and then have him perform a behavior such as lying down for rewards. Then reward him intermittently but frequently enough so he stays lying down until the dogs have gone by. When I'm lazy (meaning I'm working and people are coming up to my door to enter and my dog, rightly so, should be on alert OR the gardenere is over), I have him lied down sometimes just put a thin line of cheese whiz on a stationary surface so he can remain lying down.
The goal of practicing a lot in a short time is so that the stimulus (dogs) become his cue to run and lie down to get rewarded for calm behavior. and the better he gets, the fewer rewards he needs--until it's just a habit requiring occasional petting and praise.
I love RadioLab and I love dogs, so my interest was piqued when this short popped up on RadioLab's Facebook page this morning. They take a very sad incident to explore the question of whether domestication be reversed. Check it out:
Okay, embedding didn't work. Here's the link to the story:
Can you give a short synopsis of the podcast for us? Not sure if they are talking about domestication: A process over many generations in which animals become adapted to living with humans. The changes include genetic changes and the phenotype of the domsticated animals (how they look and act) is a combination of the genetics and the recurring environmental factors that accompany their development.
e.g. such as most dogs still retain the ability to kill and hunt but tend not to because they are raised in situations where these behaviors are not cultivated.
Domsticated animals retain the same instincts as their wild counterparts or their ancestors, but they may require stronger triggers. For instance, dogs in general may retain the ability to hunt, but some individuals may need a lot of exposure early on whereas others hardly need any exposure/practice for the instinct to be brought out.
Submitted by Joanne | May 18 2011 | Permalink
Tonight my little Shih Tzu, Chloe, graduates from Beginner Dog Obedience Class!!! In about 2 weeks she'll start Advanced Beginners and after that hopefully test for her AKC Canine Good Citizen. From there....sooting for her to become a Therapy Dog. Wish us luck!
Submitted by Sophia Yin | May 18 2011 | Permalink
That's fantastic. Keep with it too even after that. The more a dog knows, especially a Therapy Dog, the better therapy they can provide! A lot of people stop after one or two classes and really I think dogs (really the owners) should continue for a solid year. I myself go to a friend's dog class just for practice. It's fun!
Hurray for Chloe. And for YOU, Joanne
Submitted by Michelle S | May 18 2011 | Permalink
I want to get another rescue dog but I'm afraid my dog now will get jealous! He is a Pekingese and such a good tempered boy. I want him to have fun with another dog and play but I don't know if he'll like me giving attention to another dog. Does it matter if I got a boy or girl?
HI Michelle:
Some dogs don't care at all if you share your attention, other dogs want it all, and some dogs are fine with a new addition until the new addition turns out to pester them or traipse all over them when they want their share of time with you. First I'd make sure your dog likes playing with other dogs. If he does, that's a good sign. And if he's laid back when those same other dogs are right beside him in his personal space when he's getting attention from you, that's even better.
If you do get a second dog you want to makes sure you train it right away to that she's polite about getting your attention. She should learn to sit to greet you and get petted or when excited instead of trampling your Pekingese. I frequently give dogs kibble/treats when they are sitting next to eachother so they learn to sit nicely when both are getting treats. (instead of trying to steal eachother's treats). I also train them to lie down and stay so that I can give attention to one while the other is politely lying at a distance from us waiting her turn.
In general it's safer to get a second dog that is the opposite sex, but it really depends on the personality of the individual dogs. I'd focus on getting a second dog that will be respectful of your Pekingese's personal space so that your pekingese doesn't have to feel possessive about things.
I also give my older established dog some preferential treatment. For instance my JRT is allowed on my bed when he asks. My dad's Australian cattledog who visits me and is well-behaved is not.
Submitted by SchnauzerLove | May 18 2011 | Permalink
I have a friend that has 2 male schnauzers. They are littermates & about 10 months old. One of the boys is showing agression toward submissive puppies/dogs. He is fine with human interaction and his brother. Any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated! She has searched the web & has tried various things but no luck.
He needs a fantastic come when called as well as a gotcha, both of which can be used to call him away from other dogs when he gets overly aroused or they give him submissive signals. (otherwise he's learning to be socially inept--e.g. not responding appropriately to other dogs' signals:-). Darn-it but I cant find the video I have on appropriate play and calling dogs away from play.
Here's one video that illlustrates this a little:
This video shows having an on-off switch on dogs when they get overly excited/aroused:
I'd also have him focus on you a lot around these other dogs and reward a lot with treats for alternate behavior because it sounds like when he's around them he starts getting "worked up."
Submitted by Jen | July 22 2011 | Permalink
One of our furry family members passed away about a week and a half ago and the whole house has been mourning the loss. We can't seem to help any of them get out of their funk and would love any tips to help them. He was a member of our family for 12 years, the other two cats and our two dogs knew he was sick and tried to take care of him the last week of his life so it seems they understand that he isn't going to come back, but they are more upset as time goes by.
One of my dogs, Jackson, seems to be hurting the most. He has lost interest in food for the most part and food has always been something he never walked away from. He just looks sad, his face is long and he isn't very interested in playing as much as he use to be. Nothing we do seems to help cheer him up. We bought new toys and have been giving him different things as treats trying to get him to eat more. He has changed his sleeping place from my room to the living room, he has been laying around with a droopy face. Do you have any suggestions on how to cheer him up? It is the first family member that he has lost and I just don't want to see him get sick.
His litter mate, Abby a tabby cat, has become very sad and clingy she has to be touching us whenever we sit down. She stopped eating for a few days, but has since started again. She sits at the top of the stair and looks for him and seems to be sleeping more than normal.
If you have any suggestions on how to help them we would so appreciate it.
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Yeah I try to get samples of pretty much all expensive cosmetics. I was upset because last year I wanted a sample of that spot remover by Clinique (it cost over $50 for a really small jar) and they told me that they didn't have a sample of it. That is strange to me because Clinique usually has samples up the wazoo. I also have sensitive skin but instead of getting acne, I will break out in hives from various products, especially skin bleaching products. I have hyperpigmentation (even though I hate it on my face, it is one of my favorite words!). Over the years I have tried various products to get rid of it but all of them have made me get hives on my face or redness with bumps that look like hives. The lady at Clinique tried to assure me that I wouldn't break out from their product because it is hypo-allergenic and I'm like "whatever lady, I'm not spending nearly $60 on something that might make me break out." I have tried cheaper creams and have had perscriptions for my condition as well but they were all under $10 (the Rx because we had good insurance at the time and so al Rx's were $5, it made me break out worse than anything I have ever used unfortunately).
Right now I use Iman cosmetics but my favorite drug store brand is Covergirl. I don't use the powders because they get caky so I just use a concealer with a liquid or a cream/stick combination. With Iman, I use the cream/stick all the time since it is a concealer/base (foundation) in one. But the stick I use is for people who suffer with hyperpigmentation because it is a heavier makeup. It is smoother though than powder, which I don't use anymore. I also stopped using powder blush and love the creamy ones that are available now. I will use a powder bronzer every once in a while when I want to feel like I am glowing.
ETA: if you use a powder makeup, any kind, make sure you have really good brushes and that you wash them frequently as not washing them can make you break out and pass all sorts of bacteria on your face. My mom gave me the brush set I have, it is uber expensive, I think it was about $80 and that was 5-6 years ago but they are great brushes and can stand up to washing. The brushes also should be dried completely before you use them again and my mom says you should have two sets of brushes so that while one is drying (my big blush brush can take over 24 hours to dry) you can still have some to use if you need them. The second set I have, I got from Walmart or Target for about $8.
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LOL I cannot take a shower without eyes peering at me too...except it's not human eyes but puppy eyes. Cosmo will just lay on the floor and chill out but the puppy likes to hang over the edge of the tub and wine or try to lick the shower curtain. I have a deep tub so not easy for her to jump in. But the other day all of a sudden she was a lot taller than normal when hanging on the edge and I realized she was standing on Cosmo.
Last night she ate the ends off a q-tip. She's mostly pretty good considering she's only 10 months old....but the bathroom garbage is driving me crazy. She's always wanting to go in it.
I have only tried tampoons like 2 or maybe 3 times and only because I really really really wanted to go swimming. I remembered what I didn't like about the cloth....it never wanted to stay in place so it wasn't the washing that was the problem. Pads are so thin now and I really only need them about 2.5 days. When mom heard that it's only like 2.5 days long, she thought that was why I couldn't get pg. But the IF clinic didn't seem to think it was a problem.
Mine is a solid 4 days, with maybe an extra day of spotting. I still get surprised by my period every month. I guess that's what happens when you only have 1-2 a year your entire adult life I find it annoying to have to remember to have tampons stocked up and hate buying them in general, it gets expensive
Yeah I have a couple of days before of spotting...I used to count those but learned from the IF clinic to not count them. After years of keeping track so much about days and taking temps and all that, I no longer do that. I don't know what the last day was and am not sure when next one will be. I have an idea of about when but not really exact like I used to.
Yeah I don't know what the problem is. I do know that DH tested out fine. I know that I have a shorter cycle and suspect that the second part was a bit short but the clinic didn't think it was a problem. I have huge follicles, at least when we did the ultrasounds mine were like 31mm and generally you see them in the lower 20's. Those suckers hurt and I get more pain for ovulation than AF. I don't know, feel like something is "off" with me but all the tests came back ok and I also checked out with an endocrinologist. I feel like if I was supposed to have a bio kid, we would have gotten pg at least once in over 5 years...so adoption it is for us.
You never know Jennifer, one day you might just get a surprise
Jennifer I have short periods too, about 3-4 days. Before I got pregnant I wondered if that would be an issue too.
My dog Danka used to lick my legs after I showered LOL! She would follow me around while I had a towel on. Sometimes it was really annoying. Dogs are funny.
Shelley-mom to DS, 6
Or how about when you all get on the same schedule. yikes. Steer clear Connor!
My sister and I used to joke that we must have girls to tell us "oh mom don't wear that" you know to help us in our old age when we insist on wearing the purple hat or something unflattering. Well here I go and have a boy. Luckily I have 4 nieces and a sister, so hopefully they will tell me. See my mil had 2 boys and she wears horrible makeup. Too much, too dark and she insists on wearing the ugliest coral or orangey red lipstick and then coating her lips with it. She doesn't have a daughter to tell her to stop wearing it.
Shelley-mom to DS, 6
I used to swear by the Tampax Pearls too, because they only leaked occasionally instead of regularly. Then I found DivaCup. Never looked back. I have heard about the sea sponges. Intriguing, but I think they'd have the same issues as regular tampons.
I wear Bare Minerals, but only a tiny bit to even out my skin tone. I'm not going for full coverage. It doesn't make a mess because I barely let any out of the shaker. I also wear eyeliner and mascara. I consider the mascara to be the absolute essential, followed by the liner, the foundation is completely optional. Sometimes I'll wear lipstick, but it's hit or miss. I almost never wear eyeshadow unless I'm trying to get fancy.
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I went through a phase in high school where I did black mascara and navy blue eyeshadow. LOL I tend to wear a lot of blue and have a LOT of hair, including bangs. And I wear glasses at all times so when I do eye makeup it has to be heavier or dark to even tell that it's one.
Or I did a white sparkly one to get the eyes to pop out from behind the glasses. Never could pull off lipstick and I blush way easy so never bothered with that. Never tried liquid foundation either, always did a little powder.
I went to boot camp class tonight (have been doing that instead of zumba because I like the burn better and I don't feel like such a ditz doing running/sit ups/push ups type exercise instead of trying to dance to a rhythm!). Tonight, there were 7 women and 3 men, and one of the exercises that we had to do was to line up in to 2 lines, so all the women clustered together....I was like, 'ok, I'll go with the guys.' So, the exercise was to run in a straight line with the person in the back overtaking everyone and taking the lead until we all got back to the starting line. OMG, exercising and keeping up with men is haaaaaaaaaaaaard! But, I did it! I felt like I was going to die at the end and was gasping for air as I ran my little legs off, but I did it! Boo-ya-ka-sha!
Are any of you ladies in here familiar with Tiff's (one of our mods) dog Mazey? omg-I've coveted her forever!!! Anyway, I'm seriously looking into getting one. Right now it's not feasible but adopting a dog is something that should be thought about for a while. So I'm thinking. And emailing questions.
Is that one of the doodle mixes from her mom? I personally love a doodle mix....growing up I had two cockapoos and than got Cosmo who's a cockapoo. All three great dogs....but all three very different. And Cosmo sheds....her coat happens to take strongly after the cocker side but her frame and face is definitely poodle. And her brain is poodle. her mom was cocker, dad poodle and I met both of them.
Molly is a poogle and seems more strongly beagle than poodle. I also saw both her parents. And she sheds a LOT. When her crazy hair is wet, you can see the poodle in her face and she's got the skinnier poodle legs. More beagle personality. I didn't think that she was that bright for a while but she can learn things she likes very quickly. And definitely a very friendly and sweet girl. She wants to be everyone's friend where Cosmo is definitely more attached to me. Molly doesn't have the beagle bark though.
In our puppy class there were two goldendoodle sisters....omg how cute they were but whoa the energy!
I would love a standard poodle next but not sure that DH agrees with that one. He likes dogs that 30 lbs or less. basically about the size of the girls we have.
Chrissy, I'm very good at enabling people into dogs. I'm sure we'd all be happy to help.
Jennifer, they're Australian labradoodles, and I'm just learning the difference between them and labradoodles. It appears there's more than just lab/poodle mix. I need to read up on them a lot, that's for sure. I just know I love love LOVE Mazey and always have. I'd share Tiff's mother's web site, but I'm not sure if she's posted it on APA or not. If you want, I can pm you the link. She did share it on facebook, but that's different than here where anyone can see it.
eta: I had to fix hole. I realized after I posted that I typed out 'whole' instead. I've found myself doing that a lot lately. The worst, I'm nearly ashamed to admit, but I mixed up there and their and didn't even realize it till I re-read a post hours later. I'm not and never have been strong in grammar, but I used to always use the correct words in my poorly structured sentences. If that makes sense. Anyway, it's bugging me and I'm wondering where this is coming from.
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I love that! Yeah Chrissy don't trust us with dogs. My sister was recently looking and I kept sending her pictures at work of various dogs at the couple of different humane societies (she was definitely going that route and didn't want a puppy). I told her that she had to watch out, I'm a dog pusher. LOL Thank god she got her dog instead of a cat....I was not pro-cat as my DH is highly allergic and it would have been very hard for us to be at her house. We will still sleep at my parents BUT my sister took all the fun stuff to her house like Rock Band.
yeah Pm me. I love looking at cute dogs! I'm just so not in the market for one for a while. Two is enough....but I like to look. And those dogs are CUTE. Just remember a doodle mix with that kind of coat will need to be cut a lot....two of our cockapoos were shaggy like that and they went pretty much every 6-8 weeks. Well Cosmo still goes every 8 weeks or so even though she sheds, she also grows long hair. Poogle has never gone to a groomer, so far I have done it myself but she really sheds.
Good morning all. I have been up since 5am since Savana and Kai both crawled in bed with us this morning along with Sawyer in the sidecarred crib but of course he sleeps horizontally lol. It it really nice to have some quite time to myself though. Last night was awful. Out of nowhere Kai freaked out and said his room scares him. Ugh. He has been doing so well! I ordered him a veggie tales lullaby cd off amazon since veggie tales is like his most favorite music in the world (oh the irony! lol) I really hope it helps. I was so enjoying peaceful bedtimes.
I am so itchy! I don't know what is going on. I recently made laundry detergent so wondering if I am reacting to that although I have made it before without issue. It's like I feel itchy but there is nothing there and then I start scratching and that is when the rash (hives?) pops up. It's maddening I tell you!
We got rain!! Finally.
I also hope it was a one time thing with Kai. I know I love my quiet times after the kids go to bed, but honestly, since it is summer, I have been letting them stay up rather late (until 10pm sometimes) because I like laughing at them and their silliness and know I won't have as much time to do so when school starts next month. We also don't have to get up so early in the summer versus the school year.
Ugh about being late Chrissy! Luckily I'm the first person in my office in the morning so no one knows if I'm late or not lol! I take my time and come in between 8am and 9am. Usually I am here by 8:15. My regular schedule is suppose to be 8:30 to 5:30 but I almost always get here before 8:30 even if I stop downstairs in the mall and get breakfast (I work in an office tower above an underground mall).
I am going through van drama and am sick of it. I think I told you all that I got quite a bit of money from the insurance company in regards to my van being stolen. It was nearly the amount I paid for the van 3 years ago. I got the steering column and ignition switch fixed and even had the mechanic change the alternator since he said it looked like it may go out soon and I had the extra money. When I got in it to drive, it was really low on gas and was also hesitating when slowing for a stop and especially when accelerating from a stop light/sign. I was worried it may be a transmission problem and since my regular mechanic doesn't do transmission diagnostics, he told me to take it to AAMCO and they said it was an engine problem, so now I have to leave work again. Had to leave yesterday to take the van back to the mechanic, they sent me to AAMCO, I had to walk home in 90+ degree heat with 80% humidity, and then AAMCO calls me as soon as I get to work and tells me to come back over tehre and pick it up. One of my co-workers is going that way so he's going to give me a ride so I won't have to take the train back to work after I take the van from AAMCO back to the regular mechanic since AAMCO wants to charge me $85 an hour to do a two hour diagnostic, even though they know what the OMB code is (or OBM, I forget) and my mechanic said that specific code is usually indicate an engine issue in one or another area and that they are easy fixes so I would rather he do it than AAMCO since he won't charge me $85 an hour to do a diagnostic and not even fix the thing.
Luckily my boss is out of town on business so hopefully she won't be bugging me via cell phone even though she sent me a bunch of tasks to do that are basically just busy work, as if I don't have enough to do and she wants me to print a bunch of crap for her even though she is not here and won't be here until Monday. Some of the crap is in the database for other cities and I have told her repeatedly I don't have access to those databases since they are not my area but she doesn't seem to listen to things I tell her and I know I'll have to tell her again that I don't have access to those databases (she does since she is the VP over 3 regions but since I only work here, I only have access here unless she requests from IT to have me get access to other areas, which I have also told her, and which she has not done yet, but she continues to ask me to access their information).
Chrissy pm me the link too. I think I have it somewhere in my favs but it may be on dh's laptop. There is a goldendoodle in my neighborhood, he is the sweetest dog. My dh doesn't like the name goldendoodle lol. We get ready for a dog we will probably get a pound puppy but I still like to look at dogs/puppies. The other night I was reading a book to G about dog who ate everything in the house. Afterward G was telling me he really wanted a dog. I told him we will get a doggy one day soon. Then he asked for a kitty. I would love to get a cat, but dh is allergic, so not sure that is going to happen. Then yesterday I was my at my sister's house-she has a dachshund, cat, and German Shepherd in the house. OMG the GS sheds like crazy!! There are tumbleweeds in the house, and of course my niece doesn't brush her dog. When I had my cat I had to constantly brush him and do the duct tape cat hair remover on my clothes all the time. I don't miss that.
Ugh sorry about your van trouble Erin. That really stinks.
What is everyone's weekend plans? For some reason it feels like Friday today.
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This is a lithograph set about the solar system. It contains images of the planets, the sun, asteroids, comets, meteors and meteorites, the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, and moons of the solar system. General information, significant dates,... (View More) interesting facts and brief descriptions of the images are included. (View Less)
This is a software package about space weather: what it is and what it does in space and here on Earth. The disc includes software that displays movies and images of the aurora and of the Sun in various wavelengths from the ground and from orbiting... (View More) NASA spacecraft; a tutorial about what space weather is and how the aurora is formed; and more. Users will also find real-time space weather conditions from current satellite missions and can download the latest data without leaving the Space Weather application. A TicTacToe game is also included that tests space weather knowledge. The disc contains many other Space Weather resources, programs, sounds, and games for use at home or school, and there are several educational websites included in full on the disc for offline viewing. In addition there is an exhaustive list of links to a variety of space weather resources available online. The disc is available for free from a number of sites if downloaded. (View Less)
This is an interactive, real-time display system of space science images and data designed for museums and schools. The program displays hundreds of images and movies from space science research, all documented, with web references of how to find... (View More) out more information. The materials also include a large number of space science educational activities. The software is available for purchase. Full-screen versions without support files are available for download but require a registration number after a 30-day demo period. (View Less)
This is a poster about the Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars (CRISM), an instrument onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Learners can find out what it does and how it works. Then you can go online and start exploring the Red... (View More) Planet with real Mars data in your own classroom. (View Less)
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This is a collection of mathematics problems relating to the moons of the solar system. Learners will use simple proportional relationships and work with fractions to study the relative sizes of the larger moons in our solar system, and explore how... (View More) temperatures change from place to place using the Celsius and Kelvin scales. (View Less)
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This is an activity about visual analysis. Learners will create art inspired by planetary images while learning to recognize the geology on planetary surfaces. This presentation and accompanying activity uses the elements of art - shape, line,... (View More) color, texture, value - to make sense of features in NASA images, while honing observation skills and inspiring questions. (View Less)
This is an activity about scale. Participants will arrange imagery of Earth and many other space objects in order of their size from smallest to largest, their distance from Earth's surface, their temperature from coolest to hottest, and/or their... (View More) age from youngest to oldest. By manipulating these images and discussing their ideas, children and adults represent and confront their own mental models of space and time. (View Less)
This is a set of instructions for building a physical model. The model simulates the Sun's paths across the sky at summer solstice, winter solstice, and the spring and fall equinoxes. A bead simulates the Sun, moving along a cord, from rising along... (View More) the eastern horizon to setting on the western. The bead can be moved from path to path to demonstrate solar alignments, the solstices, and equinoxes. The model is created to be unique to the user's latitude, and is useful for including in lessons that teach about the seasons or archaeoastronomy. (View Less)
This is a set of three activities about how scientists study other worlds. Learners will explore and compare the features of Mars and Earth, discuss what the features suggest about the history of Mars, and create a model to help them understand how... (View More) scientists view other worlds. The activities help to show why scientists are interested in exploring Mars for evidence of past life, and address the question: "Why are we searching for life on Mars?" It also includes specific tips within each activity for effectively engaging girls in STEM. This is activity 4 in Explore: Life on Mars? that was developed specifically for use in libraries. (View Less)
This is a lesson about generating hypotheses and testable questions. Learners will use critical thinking and a collaborative approach to pose questions related to the study of Mars and evaluate the quality of their questions. They will explore... (View More) remote-sensing data collected by a camera orbiting Mars - the Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) and develop a team science question. Students will practice critical thinking skills, use a collaborative approach to this first critical step of the scientific process. Exploring the images of the surface of Mars in Visible (VIS) images, students will come up with a topic of study, their team science question and hypotheses. The lesson models scientific inquiry using the 5E instructional model and includes teacher notes and vocabulary. (View Less)
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What exactly is algorithmic design? Will we abandon human ingenuity in favor of self automated designs?
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Kimberly's Q & A
Favorite Sport/Team
St Louis Cardinals
Favorite Movie/Actor
Limitless/Bradly Cooper
Go-to karaoke song
Pink- So What
My first job
Piercings/Tattoos (How many? Where?)
2 piercings navel and nose. No tattoos.
Mac or PC?
Nintendo, Xbox 360, PS3, or don't game?
Xbox 360
What fun fact, talent or superpower of yours should guys know about?
I give an amazing back rub. I've actually been begged for one!
What's the most memorable pick up line you've ever heard?
Since I tend bar I've pretty much heard it all but I would have to say Nice shoes wanna f###! When I realized he was serious I never laughed so hard in my life!
What's the craziest thing you've ever done?
After a concert in Memphis some friends and I went out on Beale St. After going to a couple of different places we ended up at Coyote Ugly. I'm usually more of the people watching type than the type to be watched. That night was definitely different I got on the bar and put on one hell of a show! It was a really fun night to say the least. I even got a tank top and a job offer out of the performance.
What's the most unusual place you've ever hooked up? How'd it go?
The ladies bathroom in a nightclub. Didn't work out so well definitely got caught!
What's in your purse or pocket right now?
Redbox movie, wallet, lipgloss, camera, lottery tickets and sunglasses.
What do you feel most comfortable wearing?
Boy shorts and a sports bra.
Would you rather have boring sex all the time or an amazing romp once a year?
An amazing romp once a year!
If you could do a shot of Jose Cuervo with anyone -- dead or alive -- who would it be?
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The Wake Forest Primate Center (WFPC) is located on the Friedberg Campus, nine miles from the main campus of the Wake Forest School of Medicine. The campus has been home to the faculty of the Section on Comparative Medicine since the mid-1960s. The Comparative Medicine faculty have helped pioneer the use of nonhuman primates in biomedical research and comprise both a local and national research resource.
The Center's primary functions are research, training, and outreach. For fifty years, investigators at the Wake Forest School of Medicine have been using nonhuman primates to advance human health – in doing so our investigators take advantage of the fact that these species share much of the human genome, they are vulnerable to the chronic and degenerative diseases comprising the majority of the human health burden, and their response to therapeutic interventions resembles those observed in people. Investigators at Wake Forest currently use nonhuman primates to study six of the ten major causes of death in the United States.
Our training effort includes programs designed to teach both pre- and postdoctoral veterinarians how to conduct biomedical research. The grant that supports the postdoctoral activity is currently in its 53rd consecutive year of funding. Starting 25 years ago, we also began training veterinarians and other scientists from Bogor Agricultural University in Indonesia and in doing so helped establish the Indonesian Primate Center. Our collaborative Indonesian training program in primate medicine and biology remains active, with numerous PhD students and postdoctoral fellows on-site at any time.
Our outreach program is extensive and serves both scientists and the lay community. Scientific outreach extends to investigators at Wake Forest School of Medicine and across the nation who require expertise, infrastructure, and monkeys to be used in studies that advance human health and well-being. In addition, the Center sponsors a large community outreach program that has brought more than 1,000 visitors – mostly 4th -12th graders and their teachers – to our facility over the last four years.
The primary users of the Primate Center include the departments of Pathology, Physiology and Pharmacology, Neurobiology and Anatomy, Microbiology and Immunology, Internal Medicine, and Cardiology as well as the Translational Science Institute and the Wake Forest Institute for Regenerative Medicine.
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Ooh, poop on the floor. I'll log in here in an hour and a half and look for you, then? Or just directly by skype? My Skype account is under my actual name (first/last).
ETA: Actually it isn't. Close, but I'll pm you.
Ooh, poop on the floor. I'll log in here in an hour and a half and look for you, then? Or just directly by skype? My Skype account is under my actual name (first/last).
ETA: Actually it isn't. Close, but I'll pm you.
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Me (40) DH (47) & furbabies * m/c 7/08 4/12 11/12
Conner stayed over last night, and the best part is there were no tears or begging for daddy. Well, I lied. There were some tears of joy from me when we snuggled in and he was all content. We're going to try it again tonight!
I'll add you Chrissy, but I'll say that I only have a Skype account because I used it to communicate with DH when he was overseas. Since he got back, I haven't used it once. So I'm not much of a Skyper.
I'm so glad Conner stayed over.
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Okay, Chrissy, I sent you a Skype request.
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No problem.
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Oh, if you're gathering supplies, I looked through the manual last night. We probably will need a duck, although it doesn't need to squeak (bath duck is perfect) and we also need Mr. Bear to be a bear. Mr. Bear has to be able to sit down for a tea party and lie down to take a nap, but he can be a stuffed bear.
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I don't know that it was all that interesting to watch, but it was really fun to "meet" L and S online! Thanks for volunteering your child as a guinea pig, L!
Me (40) DH (47) & furbabies * m/c 7/08 4/12 11/12
S. loved Mandy, and she was wonderful with him. It was fun to do, and even more enjoyable to do it while talking to one of my APA friends. Mandy and I both realized that we are more relaxed and easy-going and fun 'in person' (so to speak) than in typing. I should probably add more LOLs to my posts to indicate that, but I have this bad habit of writing formally and I have a hard time shaking it. LOL.
I totally think you both come across as easy going and relaxed. That's what I like about you!
Yes, L. LOL, LOL, LOL.
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That sounds like a fun Skype session!!
Today is so, so cold and gloomy, while yesterday was so, so nice. It was shorts/tank top weather - a get an ugly tanline type of day. So Bodhi is napping right now, and I am literally lying comfortably across my loveseat (silver lining of having short legs) wearing a hideous pink Snuggie®, drinking tea and listening to some new music. My body is feeling shattered from a 2 hr run in the hills behind our town yesterday. I'm training for the half marathon, and so a mama friend & I decided to try out a new trail. I'd only seen the illustrated trail on a map, and couldn't tell how steep it was, or that at a certain point the trail would become a staircase. We'd actually planned to do 10 miles, but it became such a slow-going slog, we knew we had to get back down to our cars to pick up our kids and ended up only doing 8 miles. Today, I feel so tired from the exertion, it almost feels like a flu. My half marathon is flat, so I'm hoping the hill runs will make me pretty prepared for it. I had a panicky moment or two on the run where I had those "I can't do this" type of thoughts. My friend is faster and fitter than me at everything we do, so I just had to let myself fall back and she would end up waiting for me. I realized I would only panic when I felt I needed to keep up with her, but if I just let her pull ahead and made myself do anything but stop, I was ok. It also didn't help that I didn't cut my toenails beforehand. Ouch. Please remind me around mid September when I start chirping "x days before my half marathon!" that I need to trim them.
On the subject of little boys (and girls) on the potty, we just got this "Bemis NextStep" potty seat today.
I think it'll help with Bodhi's fears of falling in. And maybe mine too. ;)
Molly & baby Micah are well. I think she's adjusting as best as one can with a brand new little one. She's very focused on the nursing relationship and is in love with his chubby cheeks. Her recovery has been difficult on her, but she's getting through it. She shared this latest photo with me, which she said I can share:
She will be back here once she has more forum time. For now, the only reason I hear from her is because I pester her.
Oh, yeah, and I'm glad that others found that woman's blog entry funny. I think I will always find that subject ... a gas - hur hur. However, I am also not someone I'd consider "dignified", so was half afraid one of you would remind me that I skew in the direction of goofball by saying something like "I don't find that type of stuff particularly affecting", which is fine, of course, but would admittedly make me feel completely juvenile. And I guess that's fine in the grand scheme of things too. On the subject of dignity, I don't think it's in my core. Even when I'm standing up in front of a room giving a serious presentation, I feel like I'm suppressing the side of me that wants to laugh at the absurdness of the topic, point out how silly we'd look to aliens observing us from outer space, and giggle at how dressed up we had to get to sit there in a room drinking coffee out of paper cups and argue over a diagram. Everyone seems to take it all so much more seriously than me. Maybe there's something I'm not getting. Or maybe there's something they're not all getting.
Speaking of gravitas, remember Stephen Colbert's first ever episode of The Colbert Report, where he and Stone Philips had a "gravitas-off"?
The soundtrack to The Descendants is beautiful, btw.
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Oh, so sweet! I'm exhausted just reading about your run.
I'm feeling very weight-conscious these days. I mentioned over the summer that I bought jeans that actually fit that were two sizes larger than what I had been wearing. I purchased some work pants recently that were a size smaller than that, but mainly because they were stretchy and a little oddly cut. At work yesterday, I walked in on a conversation about health/weight, and someone said to me, "you don't need to lose weight, do you?" I'm not big, just big for me and I carry all my weight at the waistband of my pants for some reason so I guess it doesn't show to others the way it does to me. I confessed that I'd just gone up two clothing sizes, then last night DH and I were going out to eat. I got out the jeans I mentioned above, which had just been washed after being worn for weeks and getting all stretched out. Post-wash, they felt too tight, leaving me to wonder whether they just shrank or if I gained another size.
Is it possible the fertility drugs are behind this? I know I'm getting older, but I've always been skinny as a rail before my thyroid slowed down, and now that's under control. I just want to snack all the time - at work if I eat a nice, nutritious lunch at noon, I am craving junk until it's time to go home and I usually leave around four. That isn't all that long.
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Oh, Myles thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm so happy to see a photo of that precious boy. I want to eat those cheeks. I've been wondering about Molly.
Myles, 8 miles of hill running - no wonder you're beat. I had my tabata yesterday, it was only for 30 minutes, and am still feeling it. Every time I do it, I feel pukey, but it is a huge sense of accomplishment after.
We went to the 4H fair today. Mira went on her first "rollercoaster", and on her first ride all by herself. It was hot, humid, and I ended up carrying her for about an hour, but it was a really good time. This is at a farm that we go to all the time, so of course, we stopped to say hi to the horses and pigs and chicken, and other assorted farm animals.
Oh my look at those squishy cheeks! So cute!! I have been wondering about Molly and how she is adjusting. thanks for the update.
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That baby is just adorable!!! Let Molly know we are thinking of her!
And L I have always thought you were very funny. You remind me of me and I think I'm funny (even though other people i.e. DH doesn't think I'm funny but he doesn't know what he's talking about IMO). I love your wit and how you can write about humorous events in a formal way. I think it takes great skill and you could be a great columnist or current events blogger.
I LOl way too much IRL. I am actually working on stop LOling so much! But I am just a happy person and with my family especially and others I love, especially kids, every cute thing they say or do makes me smile and giggle. Even random kids I meet, they are just so beautiful and precious to me. But I do giggle too much, less than I used to as I used to giggle nervously. It is still something I work on as I think people might not take what I say seriously or think I'm being way too b!tchy when I do get serious because I don't giggle when I'm serious of course.
Elle's "graduation" was very cute. They gave us a DVD with a bunch of pics they took of her from when she started going there (back in 2010) until last week. She was so little back then and so apprehensive in the early pics. I could tell from her expressions. She is much better at being comfortable with people now and it is always amazing to me seeing old pics and videos of both my kids because they change so much in so short of a time. Ms. B gave the 3 kids who were "graduating" book bags filled with books and even a certificate with their names on it. It was a cute little ceremony. One of Elle's friends doesn't want to leave the daycare. She has been going since she was an infant and she is now 4.5 and can go to public pre-K now. Her mom says everytime they mention her going to Pre-K she cries. She is one of Elle's besties so I got her mom's info so they can keep in touch.
Mandy and L, I love the LOLing. Skype is fun. We should do a skype secular Christmas party or something!
Molly's little baby boy is such a darling! I hope her recovery goes well.
Mandy, it's really hard to say if it's the pants or you. I have 1 pair that shrinks every.single.time I wash them. They're to the point now where I simply cannot wear them any more. I know that it's the pants because I have 5 others that actually fit me the same way they did and they're still fitting me right. I weighed myself a week or two ago and I was up 7 lbs, but that wouldn't account for how tight those jeans had become. Usually have have plenty of room in my waist and now all of a sudden I don't. But only in that 1 pair.
Mylah, I actually thought that blog link would lead to the hilarious Craiglist missed connection story about the guy looking for the girl who sharted on his heated leather seat on their first date. He wrote, "At some point in life, everyone has gambled on a fart and lost. It just happened to be on a first date in the passenger seat of my car. Please don't feel bad. The package I sent you with Pepto the next day and the note that said 'First dates are always a crap shoot. Call me' was meant to be funny, not offensive."
He went on to talk about how he would not judge her, blah blah blah, and ends with,
Apparently the post itself has been removed, or I would link directly to it.What I am trying to say is that if you want to go out again, I would be more than happy to take you someplace where we can get a meal that is high in fiber and less taxing on the digestive tract.
I await your call,
P.S. - If you shat yourself on purpose to end the evening early…Touché…
Erin, I have been accused of thinking I'm funnier than I am, also. I think that's just a hazard of puns, though. People have little respect for puns, even a good one. It is considered de rigueur to groan at any humorous anecdote that includes a pun. (Wow, that sounds so stuffy the way I put it. Better add a LOL stat!)
Mylah, thanks for posting the baby picture. What a cutie-pie! Send her wishes for sleep and rest and cuddles from us. Oh, and your description of your trail run is making me feel exhausted just typing. Each finger lifting and striking a key is groaning a tad bit more in sheer laziness. I'm so impressed with you, and I know those kind of trails.
I'm with Mandy, in that I have to keep buying bigger pants, and even those are getting tight. It's very annoying, and I know it's because I have gained more than 15 pounds in the past year. I'm not liking that trend, but I'm having a hard time stopping it.
I have a toilet seat like that in our main bathroom. It worked really well for the twins. Not so well for S. He actually prefers the regular toilet seat, but then he has a rear end the size of a 3 year old. If he uses the little seat, there isn't enough room for him to sit down and pee into the toilet. Baby got back. Apparently he's over 90th percentile in several dimensions. We went to a friend's party yesterday and they had a baby a month younger than S. We haven't seen them since our babies were 4 months old, and they didn't remember that, I guess. They assumed S. was much older than their child, which was a little awkward. S. is really verbal, and was chattering away to their child, who was smaller and not speaking very much. S. was saying things like, "Do you want to get in the wagon, Baby? I can pull you around." I asked him not to call him Baby and reinforced his name, and by the end of the party he was calling him by name.
The party was really nice, though. I saw friends I hadn't seen in years, and it was small enough to be able to talk to people. This was essentially a sort of reunion of our group of friends that used to hang out all the time when I first moved out here. A flock of wild turkeys wandered through the trees near the back yard. I had a bit of party envy, because they did such a great job with all the food and drinks and ambiance and I realized even if I ever wanted to have a party, I would not be able to do it like they did. DH comforted me the way he always does, "Do they have three kids?" He reminded me that they probably entertain a lot and invested in a lot of party-related equipment and have expertise, similar to my sister.
So glad to hear Elle's graduation was a success. The DVD sounds wonderful. Something amazing that my DD's preschool teacher did last week was have a sleepover for all of the graduating girls. It was at one of the girl's houses, but the parents spent the night at a hotel and two of the teachers and a helper stayed there. This was DD's first sleepover not at Grandma's. There were six girls. They made cupcakes and necklaces, played games, shrieked, stayed up until 11 PM, watched movies, had a blast. I remember in 2nd grade I spent the night at my teacher's house out in the country along with a bunch of my class at the end of the year, and it was a great memory. I think this is the sort of thing memories are made of. It's hard to believe that they are old enough now that things are going to be stored in their long-term memory from now on.
I can't decide if I want to do something like this, but if I do, I need to get my act together. There are a couple of ideas to start doing now in preparation for high school graduation in this article.
Myles, I am impressed with your running! I thought I did well by going to 'boot camp' exercise class once a week, but your kind of work out would probably kill me. LOL. Speaking of running, I watched some Olympics last night where that British guy called Mo something won by running quite a distance and was impressed with his skills. I don't think I have that kind of stamina for any kind of exercise, so I admire anyone who does!
Apparently, I am in my sister's bad books again because I said something that offended her. I am just going to keep quiet when it comes to her; I really have no patience for people who are offended so easily. I nearly sent her an e-mail telling her to take her offendedness and take it for a hike, but then I thought, 'No, just leave it.' She'll go running to our mom and say that I'm being a big meanie, so like I said, I'm just gonna keep quiet and not communicate with her for awhile. I have felt our relationship has been a lot better because I hold her at a distance now; I think we might need even more distance.
Both of my sons are late talkers. Sawyer understands so much but he only has a handful of words. Last night I was trying to nurse him to sleep when Savana started calling me from her bedroom. I said, "You have to wait! I'm nursing!" and she stopped yelling for me but a few seconds later Sawyer popped off and started yell crying at me and pointing to the hallway. So I put him down and told him to show me. He went to Savana's door and pointed and cried. He was making me go see what she needed! Then as soon as I opened the door he ran to her bed and said, "Wha?" He really cracks me up.
So dbf and I had this plan to open a little eatery in town if this job didn't pan out for him. I won't go into details because he hates it when I tell his ideas since of course everyone is waiting to steal it;) But last night I said to him that when I drove by that building I felt a little sad that we weren't going to do it but still happy for him that he got the job. He was like, "You can still do it. You'll be here." I said I think that might be a little difficult and he was said no it would be very simple and I could just close down when I had to go pick the kids up from school. I said, "And have the kids with me while I'm running the place and likely cooking and serving food?" He's like yes, totally why not? I just laughed because it's official. He is totally clueless as to how much work goes into raising these kids. I am exhausted at the end of the day just cooking/cleaning/entertaining from home base. Can you imagine if I had a public to take care of? He also promised my help to our elderly neighbor who is caring for his 2 grandchildren while their mother "gets her sh!t together". Even though I will have between 6-8 children mon-fri for the rest of the summer, apparently I am to go over there periodically and change the younger child's diaper and make sure they are doing ok while his not so elderly wife is at work. Hmmm, going to have to go over there and let them no I might not be quite as capable as dbf seems to think.
Bridget, you should seriously vanish on your DBF for like an hour, leaving him with the kids, so he can see just how much work it is. DH is pretty clueless himself, but definitely not that bad.
We're having another crisis here. Bobbie is literally at a crisis center for suicidal ideation. We had it out a few days ago because I asked her to contribute $30/month for her cell phone. Beyond gas for her car, that would be her only bill. She does have a job at McDonalds. I haven't seen/heard from her since and it's been 2-3 days.
Today, she stopped in at her dad's to take a shower. He had the water turned off because he was working on other pipes in the house. She got huffy about that and it quickly turned into an argument. She threw her purse, and pot & paraphernalia spewed across the floor. Believe whatever you want about pot, but Rich & I have always been against it and it's not allowed in either of our houses. He exploded and took her car away and told her she was not allowed to stay there at all any more.
To add to that, she's had 3 interviews at one store that all went very well. She was drug tested on Thursday and she told me she thought she'd pass because she'd only taken 'a toke' a week prior. I had had words with her about that and said that it doesn't matter what your personal ideals are about marijuana use, the fact is that society dictates it's not acceptable. When you're looking for a job and/or concerned about KEEPING your job, you don't do it. Period. You cannot expect society to bend to your ideals, you have to live within the rules of society if you want to get ahead. If/when it's legal, have a party. Till then...you do what you have to do to get yourself ahead.
Now that I know she had the weed & all the stuff on her person, I do not believe for one minute that she only had 'a toke' and I have no hope she'll get that job after all. It would have paid as much as $12/hour, which isn't bad for a college student in our area. Most stores only pay minimum wage ($7.50). Anyway, when Rich took her car away and she started walking, he called me to tell me what had just happened and suggested I look through her stuff here. At some point she called me but I never heard the phone ring. When I got off the phone with him, I saw I had a voice mail. It was Bobbie. She was hysterical and screaming and crying, asking why we didn't love her, what did she ever do to us? A lot of it I couldn't understand and then at the end she said she was going to 'end it all' so we'd have one less kid to worry about. Talk about sick to your stomach. I've never had a phone call make me feel so helpless and awful.
I called 911 but the dispatcher told me that she'd already called them herself and our local police had her enroute to the crisis center. Right now there's nothing else me or her dad can do except wait, and it might be a couple days before we hear from anyone.
Oh, Chrissy, I'm so sorry. Please let us know if you hear anything from her. Will keep your family in my thoughts. (hugs)


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Letter confirming award of Military Medal to Charles Gill
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|Letter confirming award of Military Medal to Charles Gill
|Charles Percival Gill was a corporal in the R.A.M.C. Before the Great War he was a member of the Camborne Company (Cornwall) of the Wessex Field Ambulance and was drafted straight into the R.A.M.C. at the start of the war.
He was awarded the Military Medal at the second Battle of Passchendale. I have a letter from the 24th Battalion Loyal North Lancs Regiment, to which his Wessex Field Ambulance was attached, stating that he was awarded the medal for work during the attack on 26th Oct. 1917. I have tried to find the full citation but have been told that many of the Great War records were lost in the bombing raids in the Second World War. I have been told that he was bringing back wounded from the front line under fire when a shell fell among their stretcher party. One of the wounded men was thrown into a deep shell hole filled with water, mud, bodies and debris. My grandfather went down into the shell hole and brought the wounded man out and back to the dressing post.
My grandfather Gill died forty years ago, but as I was interested in the First World War, I did ask him about it when I was younger. I gathered that he was critical of the conduct of the war and the terrible loss of life. He had dreams about it when he was ill and dying. He was a private and modest man. After the war he did not parade with the other ex-service men on Armistice Day. When asked why, he said that he remembered his friends who had died every day.
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Corporal 459246 Charles Percival Gill, M.M., 2/2nd or 2/3rd Wessex Field Ambulance, Royal Army Medical Corps, attached 2/4th Bn. Loyal Noth Lancashire Regiment. Both units served in the 57th (2nd West Lancashire) Division.
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WASHINGTON (BP) -- More than 700 unborn children were saved from abortion during 40 Days for Life's fall campaign.
As of Nov. 16, the 40 Days staff had received reports of 732 unborn babies protected from abortion during its latest campaign, Sept. 28 to Nov. 6. More than 5,000 unborn children have been saved from abortion since the 40 Days effort began in Texas in 2004. The effort went national in 2007.
The semi-annual campaign -- which focuses on peaceful, pro-life prayer vigils outside abortion clinics -- was held this fall at a record 301 sites in the United States and overseas.
Among the reports received from participants in the latest campaign:
-- In Sharonville, Ohio, a woman stopped in her car and spoke to a 40 Days volunteer outside an abortion clinic. "She thanked me for praying," the participant said. "She said that a few days earlier she was driving by and was considering an abortion. She has five boys and is pregnant with a girl. Her husband of 20-plus years has left her." She told the 40 Days participant, "Never feel that what you are doing is in vain. It was your prayers that changed my mind and saved my little girl and me."
-- In Austin, Texas, a teenage couple went to a clinic for an abortion they hoped to obtain by means of a judicial bypass that would enable the girl to avoid informing her parents. A 40 Days participant told them about their unborn child's development and the alternatives and resources that were available. They entered the abortion clinic, however, only to leave shortly thereafter "with smiles of joy and satisfaction. They decided to not have an abortion," the volunteer said.
RECORDS DESTROYED TWICE -- Kansas government officials destroyed abortion records for Planned Parenthood not just once but twice, further undermining prosecution of the organization, it was revealed Nov. 10.
Johnson County District Attorney Stephen Howe said former state Attorney General Steve Six destroyed in 2009 copies of the same documents that were shredded in 2005 by the Kansas Department of Health and Environment (KDHE), according to World News Service (WNS). Howe revealed Oct. 21 the KDHE had destroyed the 2003 abortion records for Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, which is located in Overland Park, Kan., a suburb of Kansas City.
At Howe's request, Judge Stephen Tatum dismissed 23 felony counts of falsifying abortion reports and 26 misdemeanor charges. Because of the destruction of the records, the "legal hurdles are insurmountable" to prosecute Planned Parenthood on those charges, Howe told Tatum, WNS reported. A hearing on 58 misdemeanor charges of illegal late-term abortions and refusing to test for viability is set for Feb. 22.
Former Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline filed the charges in 2007. Kline had received records from the KDHE in 2003 during an investigation of Planned Parenthood in his role as Kansas' attorney general. He later gained copies from Planned Parenthood but said they differed from the ones provided by the state.
The Shawnee County sheriff's office in Topeka will investigate Six's destruction of the documents at the current attorney general's request, WNS reported.
"Guilty people destroy evidence. Really guilty people destroy evidence twice," said Mary Kay Culp, executive director of Kansans for Life, according to WNS.
Then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, a defender of abortion rights who rejected legislative efforts to enact stricter regulation of abortion clinics, appointed Six. The KDHE's shredding of the records took place during Sebelius' administration. She is now secretary of the federal Department of Health and Human Services.
SIX WORKERS PLEAD GUILTY -- Six people have pleaded guilty to charges stemming from their work at a notorious abortion clinic in Philadelphia, Pa., and have agreed to testify against Kermit Gosnell, owner of the Women's Medical Society.
The latest, Tina Baldwin, 46, pleaded guilty Nov. 14 to conspiracy, participating in a corrupt organization and corruption of a minor, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. All six have pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges, and some have pleaded guilty to third-degree murder in the deaths of a 41-year-old woman and children killed after being born alive.
Gosnell, 70, has been charged with eight counts of murder -- one in the death of the woman and seven in the deaths of viable, fully delivered children who were killed.
Those babies were only some of hundreds at least six months into gestation who were killed outside the womb after induced delivery at the clinic, a grand jury reported. Gosnell destroyed most of the files, limiting prosecution to only seven cases, according to the report.
A February 2010 raid of the clinic found deplorable conditions, which resulted in its closing and Gosnell's medical license being suspended.
Gosnell, his wife and two others still face trial, according to the Inquirer.
NURSES GAIN DELAY -- A federal judge has ordered a New Jersey hospital to stop requiring pro-life nurses to assist in abortions while a lawsuit proceeds.
The judge issued a temporary restraining order Nov. 3 against the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ).
The order protected two nurses, Lorna Mendoze and Julita Ching, who were scheduled to help with abortions the next day, according to the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), which represents the nurses in the case.
Twelve nurses filed suit against UMDNJ, saying the hospital's policy violates their religious and moral opposition to helping perform abortions, as well as federal and state laws. Under a policy revision in September, UMDNJ told nurses in the hospital's same-day surgery unit they would have to help with abortions and would be fired if they did not comply, according to ADF.
Tom Strode is the Washington bureau chief for Baptist Press.
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