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Peter Gleick, Subscriber
CEO Pacific Institute, MacArthur Fellow, National Academy of Sciences
To the few of you left,
OK, you have fought hard to deny or challenge the realities of climate change, perhaps because you are afraid of the policies that might have to be put in place; or are afraid of the possibilities of increased government intervention; or you don't think it will be that bad; or you think it will be too expensive to do anything about; or you don't understand the science; or you don't trust scientists, including, by the way, every national academy of sciences and every professional scientific organization in the geosciences (see the list attached to this Congressional testimony); or whatever.
You may not think the expected consequences of climate change are bad enough to do anything, despite what researchers have been telling us for years about higher temperatures, worsening frequency and intensity of storms and droughts, rising sea levels, altered water quality and availability, growing health risks from pests and heat, and much more.
Fine. But you are dragging the rest of us, who still believe in science and think that things can and should be done quickly, down into what increasingly seems like a future hell. You need to get on board. Why? Here is the final straw.
It now appears that on top of all of the other potentially catastrophic, costly, damaging, or dangerous impacts of human-caused climate change, there is a very serious risk that it will threaten the production of chocolate.
Yes, chocolate. A new scientific study from the International Center for Tropical Agriculture, a research center of the world-renowned Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research (CGIAR) has just published a new analysis that says the world will suffer a massive loss of area suitable for growing cocoa as temperatures continue to rise and rainfall patterns shift.
Figure 1, below, shows the drastic potential decrease in the viable chocolate-growing areas of Ghana and the Ivory Coast by 2050 due to climate change. These two countries produce 60 percent of global cocoa, but by 2050 cocoa production by these two leading global producers will be crippled. The authors note that smart farmers will certainly try hard to adapt and modify where and how they grow cocoa and that there may be opportunities to avoid the worst damages if farmers shift to other crops, like cashews.
I'm sorry, but cashews are no substitute for chocolate. It should now be clear, even to the few remaining climate change deniers, that the risks of accelerating climate change are just too high. Our policymakers must act immediately.
All who truly love chocolate.
P.S. To those climate deniers and skeptics who don't like chocolate and hence don't care: please stop imposing your distorted sensibilities on the rest of us.
Dr. Gleick,
Climate change skeptics here at Forbes.com tend to only comment on blogs written by climate change skeptics. It would be very scary for them to examine the views of those who do not agree with them already. So if you do not get a large number of posts or views, you will know why.
Bring it on. Science is my friend.
Hello 'physicsguy'. I am new to this blog….as well as a real, honest-to-god, PhD environmental scientist. I have been reading your friendly little exchange with Peter Gleich…..and I think you make many good points that Dr Gleich seems to counter only with insults.
For me, this has become a simple matter, involving only one question. A question that the proponents of man-made climate change, such as Dr Gleich, have no reasonable answer for:
How can worldwide temperatures be controlled by atmospheric CO2 levels, when CO2 lags hundreds of years behind the temp behavior ? All anyone needs to do is to download the ice core data for themselves, plot in Excel, and expand the scale. Period.
Dr Gleich ? Any comment ? Doesn't this mean that temp is being controlled by factors other than CO2, and that in fact it is CO2 that is controlled by temp, and not as you, Al Gore, and others have assumed ?
djeffrey7302, I'll repeat the same reply I gave you on a different page (there I replied to 3 questions you posed).
"1. Taking your eyes off the road follows serious accidents (whether you are watching someone else's or reacting to your own), but that doesn't mean taking your eyes off the road can't precede serious accidents. Taking your eyes off the road can both precede and follow serious accidents."
To which I can add: Being unusually frightened may increase the odds of you having a heart attack, yet having a heart attack may increase the odds of you being unusually frightened.
CO2 dissolves out of warming oceans and into the atmosphere (lags warming).
CO2 increases in the atmosphere lead to more heat retention and back radiation (DLR) that we'd otherwise see (leads warming).
The latter effect is not common, as it involves burning fossil fuels and similar effects that presumably have been rare in the history of the earth. This is why historically we see CO2 lagging but only recently have really seen it leading.
It gets even worse!
COFEE yields are in decline and costs are rising.
International Coffee Organization (2009) concluded: "Climatic variability is the main factor responsible for changes in coffee yields all over the world."
BEER is taking a hit also.
Hop yields have already been reduced over the previous five decades and future warming could reduce yields by a further 7-10%.
Malting barley quality and yield is predicted to decrease with a warming climate.
The scientific consensus many moons ago was that the sun and planets revolved around the earth. Every national academy of sciences, every professional scientific organization, even the Church was in agreement.
However, there were some skeptics, like Galileo, who did not hold that view. Now the Gore, I mean The Pope, was upset and demanded that Galileo recant. He did not and was ordered to stand trial for suspicion of heresy.
He was sentenced by the Inquisition to prison, and was required to "abjure, curse, and detest" his heliocentric position, and go along with the consensus. He was released from prison but remained under house arrest for the rest of his life. At the commencement of his house arrest, he was also required to read the UN Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), I mean the seven penitential psalms, every week for three years.
Now THAT is scary!
you Go physicsguy
Hello Mr. Gleick,
That's your opinion. Mann's graph, successfully refuted not once but twice, as a fraud, you still believe in. Now that's faith, baby.
@GM, why are you here lying about Dr. Mann's work, when you know full well that his work was not at all fraudulent and has been vindicated over and over again?
Why are you here spouting your nonsense when we all know that Dr. Mann's work was just the beginning of research performed by scientists all over the world in the last 15 years that not only shows his work was correct but that global warming is irrefutable?
What is your game here?
Forbes does its readers who are seeking good information for their decision making no good service by continuing to publish junk science, like the posts of Patrick Michaels, a known stooge of energy companies who makes over $4 million a year with his lies.
Hello Tenny,
Its been awhile. Well, you are correct. Mann is an exemplary in the field of climate research and all his many critics are completely wrong, even the public officials suing him for fraud.
Dr. Mann picked the one he liked and is now being sued by the University of Virginia wanting money back for Mann's myth of anthropogenic global warming. His response is not his data, but lawyer thrown chaff obsfucating the issue to prevent a "Freedom of information" order from exposing his taxpayer paid-for fraud. Virginia's Attorney General has sued Mann for the state money Mann was given for the work and this case grinds on.
The essence of the story is that Dr. Mann and all the anthropogenic global warming folks are acting very guilty when someone seeks to review their data and work. He is quickly becoming notorious for "the Mann act."
Sorry, Tenny. How did I get this so wrong.
BTW, is economart aware that climate science is practiced by a whole lot more people than M Mann?
Mann's statistical processing for that 98 paper was bogus (eg, see McIntyre's blog). This doesn't mean the graphs are pure garbage, but it suggests they are untrustworthy. Fine. The graphs were rather insanely flat, but much other research has substantiated the general point of modern temperatures advancing at a very fast pace and at least being near all-time highs of the past couple thousand years.
Bullet point
Latest study on glaciers:
Recent contributions of glaciers and ice caps to sea level rise
Thomas Jacob, John Wahr, W. Tad Pfeffer & Sean Swenson
Nature (2012) doi:10.1038/nature10847
Received 28 July 2011 | Accepted 09 January 2012 | Published online 08 February 2012
Glaciers and ice caps (GICs) are important contributors to present-day global mean sea level rise1, 2, 3, 4. Most previous global mass balance estimates for GICs rely on extrapolation of sparse mass balance measurements1, 2, 4 representing only a small fraction of the GIC area, leaving their overall contribution to sea level rise unclear. Here we show that GICs, excluding the Greenland and Antarctic peripheral GICs, lost mass at a rate of 148 ± 30 Gt yr−1 from January 2003 to December 2010, contributing 0.41 ± 0.08 mm yr−1 to sea level rise. Our results are based on a global, simultaneous inversion of monthly GRACE-derived satellite gravity fields, from which we calculate the mass change over all ice-covered regions greater in area than 100 km2. The GIC rate for 2003–2010 is about 30 per cent smaller than the previous mass balance estimate that most closely matches our study period2. The high mountains of Asia, in particular, show a mass loss of only 4 ± 20 Gt yr−1 for 2003–2010, compared with 47–55 Gt yr−1 in previously published estimates
Wow Rob, your referenced studies are SO 2007. Do you need help in calculating how much the glacier mass loss in Asia was overestimated?
<a href=" Global warming is just HALF what we said: World's top climate scientists admit computers got the effects of greenhouse gases wrong.
Hello Mr. Gleick,
So another simple and mysterious computer climate model, of which none can duplicate past climate and have failed at predicting the future, claims disaster, this time for cocoa production.
Boy are the women going to be pissed.
Thanks a lot. We'll get right on it.
Hello Mr. Gleick,
And how do these climate models represent the earth?
Tell me what it looks like?
As for duplication, name one; Just one climate model that successfully duplicated earth's past weather and climate.
Climate models predict. The little fellow who designed and constructed it is a fallible human being. Its really his prediction. So what did the author or authors of climate models repeatedly forecast: rising temperatures. And what have we had the last 14 years: no rising temperatures.
So I have to wonder about some fellow's climate model when it fails to come through on the most important part of AGW.
Women and chocolate? You have no idea of the connection? You're spending too much time gaming with the guys.
The models work better with co2 forcing than without. The science gets the trend correct which is rising temperatures.
Regarding GCM's (general circulation models). I'll let Roger Pielke Sr., atmospheric/climate scientists speak to the issue ( and he is not a skeptic):
"On all time scales, the various non-linear interactions are characterised by drivers and responses that are not proportional. Changes in state are often episodic and abrupt, and multiple equilibria commonly exist. One consequence of such a non-linear system is that forecasts based on current modelling tools should be viewed sceptically. For example, since none of the general circulation models (GCMs) used to project climate change over the next hundred years include all of the important forcings and feedbacks, they should be considered as sensitivity studies rather than forecasts [10]. In Earth System science, climate is not the long term average of weather statistics, but involves the non-linear interactions between the atmosphere, oceans, continental ice, and land surface processes, including vegetation, on all time scales."
"Research to-date has revealed the need to establish the limits to predictability within the Earth System. It has been shown that climate prediction needs to be treated as an initial value problem with chaotic behaviour. This perspective acknowledges that beyond some time period, our ability to provide reliable quantitative and detailed projections of climate must deteriorate to a level that no longer provides useful information to policymakers."
The point is, the models are crude. They are missing important forcings and feedbacks. They are NOT good at forecasting. The scientific method requires observable (empirical) evidence to support a hypothesis (model). Backcasting does not count. One cannot use a model prediction of future warming as evidence. That is a major problem with the whole AGW hypothesis.
Secondly, science is not conducted by consensus, nor by how many scientific societies support a hypothesis.
If you really did have a background in physics or maths, you would know that any chaotic behaviour will not stop the trend, which is caused by the increasing greenhouse gas CO2, but what we may get is a relatively quick and chaotic transition to a quite different stable state. One thing we can be sure of is that it won't be better than it is now for the vast majority of this planet's inhabitants. You seem to be happy to condemn future generations to the throw of a die. The same logic would have us sitting here doing nothing if an asteroid was headed our way with a 60-90% ? Chance of hitting us. Admittedly that would be harder to influence than atmospheric CO2.
Hello Brian,
So it is the 380 ppm of carbon dioxide that is responsible for global catastrophe? Most of the CO2 is there naturally. The remnants will destroy everything. These few ppm will heat up the vast land masses and oceans to an intolerable degree, killing us all.
I do not know what your standing is in physics or mathematics, but mentally you're out of your mind.
I am not happy at the current state of alarmism that pervades much of the thinking in climate science and political circles. This notion that the science is somehow settled goes against the basic underpinnings of scientific discovery, the scientific method. Climate science is in its infancy. But the science has been politically hijacked for power and monetary gain.
Michael Mann is still asserting that his hockey stick graph is true, that the last decade of the 20th century was the warmest of the last 1000 years. He has to, because if not, the temperature crisis go away. However he has filed a lawsuit to prevent a FOI request that all his data, emails, etc be released to the public. What is he hiding? (this was while he was working at a public university) A true scientist would want to release all his data and code related to a study so that it could be confirmed by other scientists. And if he is confident in his study, then other scientists will be able to reproduce his results. So for now, I cannot accept Mann's study because it has not gone through the rigors of the scientific method. It is no longer a part of the IPCC reports either.
Things like the EPA ruling that CO2 is a harmful pollutant? What complete and utter lunacy.
I say let true scientists perform their work, openly, with honesty and integrity.
I am all for energy conservation, a clean environment, etc., but any kind of draconian measures to reduce CO2 must be based on sound science. Climategate seriously eroded the public's trust of the climate science field. Something needs to change, and I don't know how that is going to happen.
It looks like you took the "jock" science courses at Yale.
Peer review? What a joke. All peer review is a rubber stamp. Why didn't the "peer" reviewers catch all the errors that McKitrick found? Why did the IPCC include such a piece of crap in their report? If Mann's science is so sound, then he should have NO problem releasing his work. The taxpayers funded his work, and the public has a right to have all his work released, plus emails.
Mann's emails are NOT protected. They are NOT private. He was at a public University. I worked at a public institution for awhile.
Mann is not a true scientist. He is a propagandist. If he was a true scientist, he would release his work even IF he did not work for a public institution.
Hello Mr. Gleick,
Mann's silly hockey stick graph is still valid? Now I know why you think as you do. It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with faith, faith in a stupid theory that is falling apart everywhere. M and M revealed the concocted graph for what it was, not once, but twice.
The IPCC had Mann's graph front and center in its reports for years. Then suddenly it disappeared, without explanation or apology. Even the IPCC knows its rotten value.
It is you who is living in the past, living on a faith whose time has come to an end. Either move on or drink Jim Jone's Koolaid.
The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. -H.L. Mencken
Well so much for your credibility. Mann is a fraud who should have been called up by his short hairs, required to 'explain himself' and expelled from the university. There was the Bristlecone pines fakery, the basis his original results. Then there was the stretching of model parameters – when his codes were leaked, random numbers would produce a hockey stick. There was the cherry picking of data sets (like Bristlecone), and there was the shifting of start dates in order to pick up an extra 0.6 deg K not in the original study period. Then there was the gross lack of globality and the deliberately misrepresented data (CRU emails). Even the IPCC won't stand with this guy any more. But sure, his results, generated by dry-labbed outcomes of computer models (of very questionable veracity) are accurate to the tenth of a degree the AGW claims for the twentieth century would normally require. There is the refusal to open his books, which even on research unsupported by public funds would be unprofessional at best, given the claims and the hue and cry that followed from them. There is the contempt of his colleagues ("travesty"). There is the mislabelling of data sets and the miraculous explanation that it made no difference. There's the 'we have to get rid of the medieval warm period' comment from someone involved with the simulations. And there are the later improvements to the models that worsened its accuracy to where the original 'results' could no longer be supported.
Mann and credibility are in two nonoverlapping universes.
McKittrick is an obscure Canadian economist with no meaningful results in climate science, even with the help of others.
Mann's overall results have been reproduced by several other groups, which is how we know it is good science. Claiming otherwise about 13 yro results, ranting on peer review, personal attacks against scientists and fishing expeditions for their mail will not undermined the conclusion that today , global warming is mostly human driven.
You are seriously deluded. Mann's work was "Pal" reviewed, which is why it had so many flaws. Paleo records, including ice cores, lake sediment indicate a Medieval Warm Period, that was warmer than today. Mann's study was tree ring proxies, which are not reliable.
Human driven? Where is the proof? Why did temperatures drop so much in the 50′s to 70′s that scientists feared an ice age, while CO2 continued to rise. Why have temps been flat the last 13 years while CO2 continues to rise?
The greenhouse gas hypothesis is just that, a "hypothesis". Nature does not agree with that hypothesis. The climate models are not scientific evidence. They are only a hypothesis too, and must be tested as well, and they have failed the test.
I know it's a total BUMMER. But there is a thing called the scientific method. Wishful thinking does not count
I have been running, managing, interpreting, defending and developing environmental 'fate and transport' models for the evaluation of future projected chemical exposures for the past 25 years. I am highly regarded and well published in this area. These models are FAR less complex than the largescale (both temporal and spatial) atmospheric climate models that are the subject of these discussions. With the many 'uncertainties' associated with my much simpler models, i have a very hard time putting much stock in so-called climate models.
thephysicsguy, what evidence do you have the the MWP was globally warmer than today? Isn't there a significant shortage of data records globally for that time period? Northern and Southern hemispheres, iirc, tend not to warm significantly at the same time and most records of that time are for the Northern h, leaving a large question mark about southern average values.
I agree that McIntyre showed the statistics Mann used for one of those papers (98?) was bogus, and the resulting graph likely is way too flat; however, the overall effect of current times being among the warmest and more likely than not the warmest (global averages) going back a few millennia has been the conclusion of numerous researchers.
I hear from those who know more than I do, that most climate scientists did not fear an ice age in the 60s-70s. The "loud" people may have feared one (and politics enters the picture here), but that is a different story. The short-term and slightly cooling period we experienced in mid 20th century coincided with the sun's radiation levels. This irradiance level diverged from temperatures from around the 60s onward. CO2 levels are at very high values (maybe highest) going back at least a few million years (an important time frame when considering species and ecosystem evolution). As the temp and sun irradiance were diverging, the temp did keep tracking the CO2 rise.
Complex and popular climate forecast models match a very wide range of climate conditions across millions of years through today, within error bars, notwithstanding claims here that they don't. I haven't checked these claims made by some with much more experience in climate science than I, but it would be interesting to see evidence disputing this.
There are clear weather cycles which repeatedly lead to cooling effect across 10-15 year periods superimposed on the growing trend. Factoring these cycles out leads to an almost straight rise in global average temp going back many decades. In particular, La Nina is a periodic weather phenomenon that leads to cooler surface air temps. This sort of cycle can be factored out. And most (over 95%) of the global warming has been heat absorbed by water/ice.
The "skeptic/deniers" have almost no alternative explanation/theory that withstands scrutiny. Effectively, the skeptics help keep science honest, but there is nothing that comes close to suggesting a revolutionary change is in the offing. Climate science largely leans on well established atmosphere physics (even borrowing much from existing weather forecasting) and associated differential equations to help develop the models and uses a very wide array of measurements going back over a century. Naturally, the resolution of climate models is much less than for weather forecasting since it aims to anticipate low resolution values going forwards decades and centuries.
Greenhouse gas warming is not a mere hypothesis. The gist of the physics isn't even that complex. CO2 and other ghg (at pressures and photon path lengths that exist in the lower earth atmosphere) demonstrably can absorb a fair fraction of the radiation intensity the earth emits and then emit back (along with helping to warm the surrounding air). To question this is to question a lot of technology and theories we rely upon. This extra radiation, whose level keeps increasing near the earth's surface as CO2 concentrations keep going up (followed by extra water vapor as well), add to the radiation the planet already gets from the sun. This extra radiation represents lots of energy ("from" much-earlier-in-time sun radiation) residing in the earth's atmosphere in contrast to there being no ghg. Have you ever looked at surface radiation level maps day/night? They support all of these key ingredients. The data essentially agrees with the theory predictions. [eg, see ARM pyrgeometer and pyranometer readings, eg, 2005/6 Point Reyes, California.. public domain data online. scienceofdoom also had a decent article on this "back radiation" or DLR.] Unavoidable back radiation from isotropic re-emissions of ghg and its resultant effect of increasing earth's surface temperature by adding to the flux hitting the earth is the cost paid (amid ghg) in order to release back into space the heat acquired from the sun.
Obviously, these are my opinions.
thephysicsguy, so "semiconductor science" is obviously then not settled (and is rather new in many ways), yet we use sophisticated computers and electronics to great success. There are many discoveries happening every year in that field. New stuff for sure, yet useful.
Climate science is derived from components that have lots of experimental support. We can't unfortunately, pump the earth's atmosphere with CO2 and speed up time in order to meet the standard of some skeptics.
The EPA follows the recommendation of experts in the field to start throttling CO2 emissions which are believed by the experts in the field to be a major control knob leading to potentially very costly global warming. CO2 emissions is not something that can be stopped overnight. I get the feeling you'd rather the EPA listen to skeptic amateurs and kooks.
I heard that skeptic leader R Spencer has not released the source code to the processing he performs on the satellite data to arrive at temps. Something like 10 times in the past couple of decades has his group or outside researchers caught significant flaws in those algorithms, with the net balance being to increase temperature values over what was first reported. In contrast, one of the most popular climate models (community earth system model, cesm) has its entire source code available online.
I'm sure Spencer would appreciate having all his work emails plastered all over the Internet without permission or warning. You probably wouldn't mind that happening to your emails. You probably also wouldn't mind having to reply to several FOIA requests per month or even week. It's not like if either of those things would be disruptive to one's work and focus. No, not at all.
Don't accept Mann's "hockey stick" paper if you don't want. That only leaves hundreds of other papers supportive of AGW that you would accept, I reckon.
"Climategate?" Was that like when they disproved all of that climate science that had been done over the past X decades. No? I thought not. The public's trust has faded largely because of the heavy propaganda campaign being waged by amateurs and by the occasional informed scientist like Spencer who since turning denier can't seem to get a decent denial paper published without glaring errors that even question his own honesty as a researcher.
I stand by my comments.
Furthermore, Zwick is not interested in open and honest debate. He is a class 1 despicable A-hole for the continued use of the pejorative and vitriolic term "denier" or "denialist", and for his suggestion:
"We know who the active denialists are – not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies. Let's start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let's make them pay. Let's let their houses burn until the innocent are rescued*
And you wonder why I don't use my real name?
Absolutely chilling.
Read the following article. It fits Steve to a T.
Global warming: the chilling effect on free speech. The demonisation of 'climate change denial' is an affront to open and rational debate.
Steve. Do you have the following slogan posted over your doorpost?:
"Arbeit Macht Frei"
ThePhysicsGuy turns over a new leaf and attempts to take the high road.
Now for some deep breathing exercises.
inhale………….wisdom and humility
exhale………… truth and understanding
wax on……….
wax off………
Alrighty then! I think it took. I'm on the high road!
ThePhysicsGuy turns over a new leaf and attempts to take the high road.
Now for some deep breathing exercises.
inhale………….wisdom and humility
exhale………… truth and understanding
……sound of match striking……
exhale…………. {oh yeah}
inhale…………. {Steve's probably an OK guy in person}
exhale……….. {It's just that he's a journalist}
wax on………. {It's "inhale" stupid}
wax off……… {just go with it}
inhale……….. {Cara is a pain in the a**}
exhale………. {I can't feel my a**!}
inhale……….. {where the @#* is my a**?}
exhale………… {right where I left it last}
Alrighty then! I think it took. I'm on the high road.
∇² = φ
Wow! Loss of choclate! That definitely gets added to the list.
A complete list of things caused by global warming
Apologies for a temporary delay in updating the dead link list
Afghan poppies destroyed, African holocaust, aged deaths, poppies more potent, Africa devastated, Africa in conflict, African aid threatened, aggressive weeds, Air France crash, air pockets, air pressure changes, airport farewells virtual, airport malaria, Agulhas current, Alaskan towns slowly destroyed, Al Qaeda and Taliban Being Helped, allergy increase, allergy season longer, alligators in the Thames, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), anaphylactic reactions to bee stings, ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, animals shrink, Antarctic grass flourishes, Antarctic ice grows, Antarctic ice shrinks, Antarctic sea life at risk, anxiety treatment, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic ice free, Arctic ice melt faster, Arctic lakes disappear, Arctic tundra lost, Arctic warming (not), a rose by any other name smells of nothing, asteroid strike risk, asthma, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, Baghdad snow, Bahrain under water, bananas grow, barbarisation, bats decline, beer and bread prices to soar, beer better, beer worse, beetle infestation, bet for $10,000, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billion homeless, billions face risk, billions of deaths, bird loss accelerating, bird populations dying, bird strikes, bird visitors drop, birds confused, birds decline (Wales), birds driven north, birds face longer migrations
You mean none of these things?
A complete list of things caused by global warming
How big a pile of BS does there have to be before you can see it?
Yes , we know the climate changes
The uproar is that the Al Gorites want taxation to pay FOR THEIR version of climate change
Yes, life is scary and climate changes and people get sick and people die etc etc
We cant legislate it away nor should we pretend to waste our time and money on such
Oh, YOU DONT THINK ITS A WASTE OF TIME?
Then you pay for it yourself and I'll pay for my obsessions , myself
—-" Then you pay for it yourself and I'll pay for my obsessions , myself"————
Do you work in a coal mine where the company negligently and willfully ignores and bypasses safety procedures and equipment? In one case killing 29 miners in West Virginia? In another case, killing Jeremy Davidson, a 3 year old child in Virginia by rolling a boulder weighing several tons into his bedroom killing him as he slept supposedly safe in his own bed—-in the middle of the night?
Do you work for BP, Transocean or Halliburton? They killed 11 workers by negligent and willful cost cutting and rush job practice—-and the practice is so common, that Transocean was able to post a $94 million profit from the tragedy, and the top company executives gave themselves a 25% bonus for having the "safest year ever" when they were a cause of the worst pollution disaster in US history and the death of 11 workers.
Do you want to pay for it yourself? Then be one of the 6,000+ service men and women who have died in three wars to keep oil flowing so oil companies can have cheap oil to sell you at $4 a gallon. No one has ever died in a war to seize the wind or sunlight that I have ever heard of.
——" Then you pay for it yourself and I'll pay for my obsessions , myself"———-
Your obsessions kill people, everyday. It kills so many people that there are even actuarial tables available to predict how many people will be killed.
"..even the IPCC's 2001 report chapter titled "Model Evaluation" contains this confession: "We fully recognize that many of the evaluation statements we make contain a degree of subjective scientific perception and may contain much 'community' or 'personal' knowledge. For example, the very choice of model variables and model processes that are investigated are often based upon subjective judgment and experience of the modeling community."
In that same report the IPCC further admits, "In climate research and modeling, we should realize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible." Here, the IPCC openly acknowledges that its models should not be trusted. Still, the IPCC obviously needs to apply them to justify its budget and influence. Without contrived, frightening forecasts, they would soon be out of business."
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So… basically the IPCC says climate models shouldn't be trusted. And this new climate model should be trusted because….? There was also another article on Forbes about an argument between two groups of scientists, one group for, and one group against. Before, the crowd believed climate change was a major problem by more than 2 to 1. Afterwards, the climate skeptics won the night by a small margin. So essentially, after listening to scientists actually spout facts instead of speculation, climate change lost considerable ground.
It's not that I don't agree that the climate is changing. It's that doom and gloom predictions had better be backed up with some good and irrefutable science. Even the IPCC says climate models are not to be trusted.
Speaking of ad hominem attacks…
Please quit using the pejorative term "denier" in regards to those who are skeptical of the AGW issue. The term "denier" and "skeptic" have come to be used interchangeably. As you must know, the term has dark associations in reference to Holocaust deniers. It just inflames passions and adds nothing to the debate.
Hey Peter,
How's that goose-step practice going?
"Heil Gore!", stomp, stomp, stomp. "in zee gas chambers all du climate Schketics!"
What a *#@^$ moron.
As an environmental scientist, and a Jew, i would tend to agree that the choice of language coming from Dr Gleich's camp is indeed personally offensive..and intentionally intimidating.
Looks like the "H-card" is being played here, like the 'race card' in political debates.
Mr. Gleick,
In looking at the Yale website, I see a School of Engineering and Applied Science. I don't see a B.S. degree in Engineering and Applied Science. I see a B.S. in Engineering Sciences, and then a B.S. in Chemical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Mat. Science, or Electrical Engineering. So what undergraduate degree did you receive? I am curious as to your science background.
Just as I suspected. The "jock" science route.
I have an ABET accredited degree. B.S. Civil Engineering. I'm also a registered professional civil engineer in the state of California. None of that science "lite" stuff.
"thecivilengineeringguy" is too long. Civil engineering is a branch of Newtonian physics.
How did you rate Yale? Rich parents? 5.0 GPA? Eagle Scout?
You mean they haven't asked for your degrees back?
ThePhysicsGuy turns over a new leaf and attempts to take the high road.
Now for some deep breathing exercises.
inhale…………. wisdom and humility
exhale………… truth and understanding
……sound of a match striking……
exhale……….. oh yeah
inhale………… Steve's probably an OK guy in person
exhale……….. It's just that he's a journalist
wax on………. It's "inhale" stupid/i>
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inhale……….. Cara is a pain in the a**
exhale………. I can't feel my a**!
inhale……….. where the @#* is my a**?!
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Alrighty then! I think it took. I'm on the high road.
One cannot lie to the police, make false statements under oath, etc. But people lie all the time. I am not a legal scholar, but I don't think its against the law to lie. You keep harping about these "active denialists" (there's that "d" word again….sigh). IMHO you would lose in the court of law. The "truth and lies in this debate" are not abundantly clear. In your "opinion" they are. I could knock down each of your arguments with reasoned responses, citing valid scientific studies. I believe you are crossing the constitutional line on this issue. It would be interesting to have a legal scholar weigh in here, because neither you nor I are experts in that area.
In the case of Heartland Institute, they have the right to their opinions, even if you believe them to be a lie. The science is not settled. The AGW hypothesis is not like Newtons Law of gravitation. Irregardless of that issue, Heartland has the right to say the earth is flat.
Now concerning my comment on the KKK. Don't put words in my mouth. I said they have a "voice" and they do. They have been allowed to march. They have been allowed to make speeches. You did not carefully read the article you cited:
"In Brandenburg v. Ohio, a KKK leader was prosecuted for giving a speech at a farm outside of Cincinnati in which he warned that "if our president, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it's possible that there might be some revengeance taken."
Clarence Brandenburg was convicted under a state law of criminal statements that proclaimed the "necessity or propriety" of acts considered violent or unlawful.
Later, in reversing the conviction, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the government could not "forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such actions."
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the KKK. I am in no way a KKK supporter, but the constitution does give them certain free speech rights.
1. Models with very different climate sensitivities all manage to reproduce past climate "suberbly". This is because there is a fudge factor -aerosols – which allows them all to claim valid hindcasts. Even Brian Hoskins says climate models are rubbish.
2. No climate model has ever been shown to be valid at a regional level. Discussion of what the climate models say about cocoa growing in West Africa is therefore completely meaningless.
And I concur with the other commenter about your use of the d-word. It reflects very badly on you and the Pacific Institute.
Keepoing it simple:
Here is what scientists know:
Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases trap heat and cause the planet to be warmer. Humans are overloading the air with too much carbon dioxide (CO2). In the past decade, the increase of CO2 in the air due to human emissions has averaged about 2 ppm per year. To put that into perspective, the amount of CO2 that is emitted globally each day that remains in the air is equivalent to almost 8,000 Gulf oil spills each day!
In the past 800,000 years, CO2 has naturally cycled between 170 ppm and 300 ppm. At 170 ppm there were massive ice sheets. At 300 ppm there were no massive ice sheets and sea levels were hundreds of feet higher (goodbye Florida). Small changes in the Earth's orbit shape, tilt, and eccentricity were the initial cause of global climate change and then CO2 feedbacks accelerated the change.
We have blown past 300 ppm and are adding CO2 at rates not witnessed in at least the previous 800,000 years. How can anybody look at the Vostok ice core image and believe these increases in CO2 will not cause much climate change?
The pattern of warming matches that expected by increasing heat-trapping CO2 and other greenhouse gases. There are no known natural mechanisms that can explain this pattern. The physics of increasing heat-trapping gases tells us:
1.Higher latitudes (toward the poles) will warm the most while lower latitudes (tropics) will warm less
2.Winters will warm faster than summers
3.Nights will warm faster than days
Precisely what we are seeing.
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Climate change is already here and the worst is yet to come. Solutions are going to be put into place. If you do not accept the science and choose not to sit at the solution table, you will have no say in what happens. Why not come join the discussion. There is no debate that humans are overloading the atmosphere with heat-trapping carbon and that big climate changes will occur if we keep emitting away like there is no tomorrow. The debate needs to move away from the cause and on to the solutions.


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Looking for any input from you die hard GMC folks like me. Just found a great 2003 Silverado , one owner with low miles. Would like to know more about the Vortec engine and was looking for possible websites that you could pass along. It has been recommended to me that I start using Synthetic Oil. Never have before. Looking for any advice on the subject. I plan on keeping this and driving the wheels off of it so engine longevity is important to me. Any technical info that is out there on this particular truck, the 5.3 Vortec and the Synthetic oils I would very much appreciate it. Thanks.
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I do know that 5.3's like to have an issue with the knock sensors if water gets down in there. But it's not a bad engine. I have 251,000 going on 252,000 and she's showing some old age signs but that's because she was abused before I got her.
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Somerville successfully completed the English Channel on 23 September 2011 in 12 hours 30 minutes and who attempted a North Channel crossing in July 2012. His English Channel crossing was the 12th fastest time by an Irish swimmer, 7th fastest Irishman, and fastest over age of 40. He also completed the North Channel during his second attempt on 16 June 2013 and completed the channel swim in 12 hours 21 minutes.
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We have full custody of his and his father has had him since he was 2 years old. AND before someone asks.... NO there is NO child abuse or inappropiate abuse.
He does not do this everyday but at 12 this isnt right. I have 2 children of my own and NEVER had this problem. I have read on alot of sites and Im a bit confused. If his father and I dont make him poop every night he will not do it! We have to remind him everynight!!
example: Friday night he had a friend stay the night and we forgot to remind him to go poop, then Saturday night he stayed at a friends house over night and we know that he didnt go! Come Sunday he came home, went on a bike ride and when he got home reeked of poop so bad sent him directly to the shower. We do make him wash his own underware out when this happens. My husband and I have only been married for going on 2 years but lived together about 1 year before.
When I seen that he was doing this at the beginning, his father was tending to it and was washing is underware out and I told him not to. My step son cried the first few times that he washed them out but over 2 years later... it doesnt phase him, he just washes them out! And from what I understand he has always done this, this is not something that started when I came into the picture.
Now, my next issue, he still pees his pants too.... regardless if hes awake or asleep, and this doesnt happen daily either. We stopped him from drinking anything after dinner and this helps but he still does this occasionally while awake!
Both issues we have grounded him from things that he really enjoys and it works to the time period needed to enable him to get the things back. Then it starts all over again. Its to the point now... that my husband will talk to him when he does it but no punishment.
Both my children know that my step son does these things and how do I punish them for doing something wrong when they see my step son can poop and pee on himself and get no punishment?
Have you taken the son to a doctor for an exam? No child wants to have urine, or feces on them.
End of story.
Punishment is only going to make it worse.
One prime example was when we were going to a family function bout 6 months ago. We were on the road not even 2 minutes from the house we were going to & he said he had to go I said haing on just 2 more curves & were there & he said " I cant too late" I have to admit I was a little frustrated cause we just drove for 45 mins & had to go back home for him to clean up & change.
He also does the same thing when he vomits. He sees someone eating something he doesn't like & it makes him sick to his stomach. He'll get that look & just throw up all over hisself & his plate. Thats one reason I dont take him out to eat anymore. That stopped with me a few years back. He will still do it at home occasionally, but hes use to the way we eat. The school automatically thinks hes sick every time he vomits, took me many years to convince them otherwise.
The Dr told me he has a week colon in regards to his bowl movement issues, so I know thats not his fault, he just needs to go when he gives the word. As far as the vomit issue, the dr only told me that was purely mental & he is just going to have to accept the fact that he cannot live in a box when it comes to eating in front of other people & he is being selfish. I have to agree.
Another thing that I deal with too when it comes to the bowl issue, I cannot get that boy to wipe till he is clean. He just thinks one swipe with the TP & hes done. So there is ALWAYS feces in his underware. Some times large amounts & I am not washing that with the rest of my clothes!! EEEWWW!!! I make a "load of shame" that is specifically for his underware after he washes them out by hand, which he hates!! My mother thinks that is cruel. but I have noticed since I have started doing this he does clean himself better, so maybe its working.
I do believe a family dr or even psychiatrist could help you get a better understanding of what is gonig on in your step sons life. Do you or your husband have employe assistant programs at work? They help not only the employees, but the family too. Just a suggestion if you choose to speak with a counsler. Good luck to you... It will get better!!
If everything is negative, then I'd seek out a good pediatric psychiatrist for an evaluation and referral to counseling.
If all of that is negative, the child psychiatrist is the way to go.
Pregnant women don't have menstrual periods either.
I'm sure he eats so there will be bowerl movements.
Take him to his physician!
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SANTA FE NEWS BRIEFS New standard time schedules for the San Diegans are: Lv. Los Angeles at 9 a.m., 12:10 p.m., and 6:15 p.m.; lv. San Diego at 8 a.m., 1 p.m., and 4:15 p.m. Standard time departure for trains 73 and 78 has been advanced one hour over summer schedules. Other trains depart at the same standard time. Running time for all trains (12:01 p.m. excepted) is two hours and 55 minutes.....RDC's DC-191 and 192, once used on the Surf Line, were hauled into Albuquerque on August 10 for service, effective August 15, on Trains 13 and 14 out of El Paso, The RDCs were formerly used on Trains 311 and 312, the Newton - Dodge City run. Consist of the El Paso train, prior to August 15, included EMD locomotive 84, baggage-postal 2102, baggage 3671, and chair cars 3139 and 3147.....Santa Fe has petitioned to discontinue Trains 25 and 26, Carlsbad - Clovis. M-160 and M-190 were used at times on these trains (New Mexico Railroader).....Santa Fe Surf line trains face slow orders in the Rose Canyon area, account of Interstate Highway 5 construction.....Santa FE's plans to open and provide access to its own industrial land in Chula Vista may be in the news again. .....Future of the Surf Line passenger service may have a relationship with the success or failure of the 125-mile an hour northeast corridor train service scheduled to begin in 18 months between Boston - New York - Philadelphia - Washington on the Pennsylvania and New Haven (New Haven?!) railroads.....Consist of a recent San Diegan, more or less typical, was locomotive 51F-67F, baggage car, coaches 3149-3086, snack car 1398, coaches 3087-3076..... A one day speed up eastbound on piggyback and regular carload freight from California points to Chicago and the east has been inaugurated by the Santa Fe, according to Ernest S. Marsh, president. The expedited service provides for fourth morning delivery in Chicago compared with the previous fifth morning delivery. The faster schedule will also benefit shippers whose traffic is routed through Chicago to eastern destinations. Westbound delivery is already fourth morning. (Santa Fe Public Relations)
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Alas: Sonora-Baja California Railroad's steam locomotive No. 1355, a 2-8-0, will not haul PSRMA's train to Puerto Penasco on May 29 --- a diesel-electric unit will do the job. Wally Duthie, PSRMA's excursion director, learned that No. 1355 (number needs to be re-checked!) was loaned by the National Railways of Mexico to the S-BC for use in a Mexican-made movie, "Viento Negro" ("Black Wind"). Duthie had noted that the locomotive was in Mexicali last month and he had heard that it (and allegedly another locomotive) was on the line to aid in a re-railing project. Unfortunately, according to Raul Bustamente, FSBC traffic manager, the steamer is not now in operating condition and has not been for some time. Neither can it be restored to operating condition. So, Duthie says, there'll be no steam trip to Puerto Penasco. Incidently, Wally was told that the locomotive has now been "given" to S-BC and will eventually be placed on exhibit on the Mexicali station property.
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Detectives are looking for a 20 to 30-year-old man described as 5'8"-5'10" tall with a medium build. He was wearing glasses and his face was covered in a scarf. Police say the man was wearing a black sweatshirt and light colored pants.
Sources say the scouts who were robbed are fourth graders from a troop attached to New Eagle Elementary School in Tredyffrin Township. None of the girls was injured during a brief tug of war over the money that was taken.
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Police say the fact that there was a struggle for the money, no matter how brief, and because the man didn't just grab the money elevates the crime under from a misdemeanor theft to a felony robbery.
The masked man fled out the front door of the store on foot toward the back of the building. No weapon was displayed during what police describe as a "strong arm" robbery.
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After hearing from angry residents over how New Castle responded to Hurricane Sandy, town board members are looking for ways to improve communications with the public during future disasters.
At a Nov. 20 work session, officials discussed both short-term measures that could be implemented, and broader remedies that they would like to see Con Edison implement, which in turn could help with restoration work and the town in providing transparency.
Town Administrator Penny Paderewski told the board that the town will implement a robo-call system.
"That was the one piece we were missing," she said. The town is looking at prospective companies for providing the service, including Nixle, which provided email and text message alerts for the town during Sandy. Paderewski hopes that in "a very short period of time" there will be a system in place. A robo-call system, which was employed by the Chappaqua school district during its post-Sandy response, could also be used on a smaller scale. For example, Paderewski said, this could include simply notifying a residents of a block about a more localized problem in their neighborhood.
Building a database of phone numbers would need to be done, and ideas thrown out at the board meeting include giving forms to the school district to, in turn give to parents, having sign ups at stores and announce the service at board meetings.
Paderewski would also like to see the town get a mapping program that could display which streets are closed and be available to residents. During Sandy, the town, in its emergency operations center, was stuck with using a physical map and red marker to note closed streets.
Board members also gave attention to best practices from outside of town, and what could be done to improve communication from Con Edison.
Town Supervisor Susan Carpenter said that she went to a meeting in Greenburgh held by her counterpart, Paul Feiner, where ideas for communication improvement came up. Examples included, she explained, having yard signs direct people to Internet access and warming shelter, which would help those whose do not have normal electronic means to get the news during an outage.
Paderewski, who was present at meetings earlier in the week of municipal officials - they included Con Edison's president and County Executive Rob Astorino - learned about the frustrations faced on a regional basis, and unusual measures to keep workers in the loop.
The communications problem, Paderewski explained, is not just between municipalities and the public, but rather it's within Con Edison itself, and between Con Edison and the out-of-state crews who provided restoration help.
"There were enormous communication break downs," she said. Examples she pointed to include a lack of GPS devices in trucks, and Con Edison liaisons to municipalities not having consistent levels of understanding for what's happening. In New Castle's case, Paderewski noted, its liaison did not even know where utility crews were working, a matter that caught the attention of a Con Edison official at the company's meeting.
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The NAACPs Rev. William Barber said the Civitas Institute was trying to play a trick, diverting media attention away from the issues that matter, by publishing personal information about arrested protesters in an online database.
Civitas listed arrested protesters names, occupations, sex, race and other demographics on its website, drawing an outcry from those promoting the demonstrations. But one protester said hes not deterred.
Its no skin off my back, said Ed King, a high school Spanish teacher in Chatham County who was arrested last week. I expect that from them. I didnt live 75 years to not develop convictions that are stronger than any attempt to try to prejudice people.
The next demonstration Monday the eighth this year will focus on labor, economic and womens issues. Its unclear how many people are expected and how many will volunteer for arrest in an act of civil disobedience outside the legislative doors. Nearly 500 people have been arrested so far during protests at the legislature.
Democratic Congressman David Price of Chapel Hill announced Friday that he would join the demonstration Monday.
As this legislative session creeps toward its end, the Moral Monday fight is far from over, Barber said. It will not be over for the people of North Carolina, he said. We will continue to mobilize, continue different ways to protest, continue to mount a legal challenge, continue to use social media to get the message out.
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House Speaker Thom Tillis appointed 23 legislators, or nearly one-third of Republican House members, to the conference committee that will sign off on the budget compromise with the Senate. Rep. Nelson Dollar of Cary is leading the House conference committee.
The Senate has six conferees, with Sen. Pete Brunstetter of Winston-Salem leading the team.
The House and Senate each passed $20.6 billion budgets, but negotiators must work out numerous policy differences.
The Senate budget committee will meet Tuesday morning to discuss passing a stop-gap budget that will allow the state to function past June 30 if theres no big budget agreement by then.
A tax turnover
As the House and Senate hammer out a tax plan, Americans for Prosperity is taking to the radio airwaves to try to influence the negotiations.
The tea party groups state chapter announced last week that it is putting about $100,000 behind a new statewide radio ad campaign to encourage residents to support the Senate version. The minute-long radio spot touts the flat 5.25 percent personal income tax in the Senate bill compared to the 5.9 percent in the House plan. It uses a sports metaphor to warn that some leaders are about to fumble the tax ball with only a few seconds left in the game.
Dallas Woodhouse, the state director, said its part of AFPs pledge to spend $500,000 to push tax reform.
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For over 26 years AmeriGospel, Inc. has bestowed upon Americus-Sumter County and surrounding communities, its open and embracing outlook for worshipping God.
Since 1986, AmeriGospel has aimed to enhance the knowledge of gospel through different avenues of praise and worship. According to the founder, Kelvin W. Pless, this is a part of the standing foundation of the organization. Each year is different from the previous with the difference being embedded in the understanding that ideas, people, and life evolve.
"As Christians, we are confronted with the new challenges of the world. Even though we don't change the standards of what God has founded, the world is constantly changing and we must be ahead by being obedient of God's directives for His people," said Pless.
These directives are not limitations but are new ways of continuing to praise and worship God through the arts whether it is song, dance or instrumentation. The workshops/clinics aim to develop these areas by incorporating some of the new perceptions of how worship can be presented in many forms. This year's workshops will continue with various clinics such as art, percussion, and director of music ministries but will also emphasize the use of technology. Technology is a very integral piece to the puzzle of evolution, and AmeriGospel will be using many technological features to not only enhance the concert presentation with special effects-- visual and auditory-- but also to develop a smoother process with decision-making matters.
This will be done through the use of cell phones. By using cell phones, staff, Board members and/or participants will have access to vote on any elections, polls or other concerns. For Pless, this new upgrade through the use of technology is to better serve the participants.
"These technologies are not just limited to the AmeriGospel staff, Board or participants, but it will be beneficial to those churches and organizations that partake in this experience as they can take this knowledge back to their own communities and use it in whatever manner to help with their own growth and evolution," added Pless.
No matter what the directives are, the focus is still growth and evolution, and it is not just limited to the workshops/clinics or any ideas that create the space for new opportunities, but also through the direction of leadership. This year's workshops and concert will also feature two new directors who are no strangers to AmeriGospel: Larry Wilson and Adrienne Seay.
The Adult Mass Choir will be under the direction of Larry Wilson. Wilson has been involved with the organization for almost 4 to 5 years as a band leader and organist. Pless describes him as being extremely gifted as he plays various instruments and is a trained vocalist. As a Minister of Music at St. Paul Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., Wilson brings tons of hands of experience with leading within his own church family but also his professional experience as he has worked with well-known artist such as Byron Cage, Kirk Franklin and James Fortune.
The Youth Mass Choir will be directed by Adrienne Seay. Seay is a product of the Youth Mass Choir, so choosing her as the directress was done with no hesitation. In previous years, Seay was selected by the Executive Board as well as her peers to be the "Youth of the Year" because of her great leadership in the music ministry not only with AmeriGospel but also in her church, Friendship Missionary Baptist Church. Seay is described by Pless as someone who is experienced, who loves and is loved by children, and who will continue to grow in her ministry because of her closeness to God.
"We are excited to have Larry and Adrienne as leaders this year. They are both anointed, guided by God, and love to worship Him. Their accomplishments within AmeriGospel and outside of it are manifested by God, and they will both bring great leadership to this year's clinics and presentation," said Pless.
The workshops will be held on December 27-29culminating with a concert presentation on December 30 at Friendship Missionary Baptist Church, 411 Cotton Ave., Americus.
"We welcome all. Come as a participant. Come as a spectator. The workshops get better every year and the concerts prove to be testimonies to all who witness in whatever capacity they choose. AmeriGospel is refreshing to the soul because we worship freely without restrictions and opinions. We model the prayer of Paul in Ephesians 1:16-21 and thrive on 2 Corinthians 3:17—'Now the Lord is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty,'" said Pless.
If you are looking to enjoy this year's workshops/clinics and concert, feel free to join AmeriGospel during the climax of the holiday season. For those interested in participating in any of the workshops/clinics, preregistration forms are now available and you are encouraged to register to receive a $5 discount before December 26th. For more information, please contact or visit us at the following listings: phone, (229) 942–5273; e-mail email@example.com or visitwww.amerigospel.org www.amerigospel.org; and/or Facebook/amerigospel.org.
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In the clutch on Tuesday night, the Bluefield Lady Beavers put their postseason destiny into the hands of — well, Destiney, and Jesslyn.
Destiney Sims and Jesslyn Fullerton scored 19 points each, and combined to power a third-period run that gave Bluefield enough cushion to outlast James Monroe 65-61 in a semifinal of the Class AA, Region 3, Section 2 tournament at Princeton Senior High School.
Jordan Page paced a furious fourth-quarter comeback try for the Lady Mavericks, cutting a 14-point Bluefield lead to four at the final buzzer. Page led all scorers with 25 points, including six three-pointers.
Bluefield used its inside game effectively in the first and third periods, and then turned to their guards for crucial points.
Bluefield head coach Tony Mallamaci said, "That is pretty much our strength, is our inside. We've got three or four good post players. Then we picked up a little bit of foul trouble, so we had to sit a couple of them in the second quarter.
"But we got 'em back in in the second half, and started to get it back inside."
"We've got some good guards, too, and they stepped up and hit some big shots. ... That's probably the best perimeter shooting we've had all year."
Neither side led by more than four points in the first half, which included a four-minute scoreless stretch. Fullerton hit a three from the key with 10 seconds left in the half to break the game's final tie. The Lady Beavers led 25-23 at intermission.
Bluefield outscored the Lady Mavericks 24-9 in the next eight minutes, holding James Monroe without a point in the final 2:30 of the third quarter.
Mallamaci said, "We've had trouble, throughout the year, in the third quarter, so we stressed to them at halftime to come out in the third quarter and get a good start. And we did."
"That carried us through, because they (James Monroe) made a heck of a run in the fourth. That was crazy."
James Monroe head coach Malory McPherson said, "It's like we have a curse (in the) third quarter, every time we lose. We dig ourselves into a deficit and we always come out firing in the fourth, on fire. And it seems like it's a little too late.
"But I couldn't be prouder of the girls. A lot of kids would have hung their heads and (given) up, but ours obviously didn't."
McPherson said, "We knew we had to stop them defensively. We did in the first half, but that third quarter was just brutal."
Sims said about her squad's teamwork, "We executed the ball very good. We looked for each other's passes, looked for each other to give shots."
With two seconds left in the third, Sims launched a long three-pointer from in front of her bench. Her teammates, and many Bluefield fans in the stands, rose from their seats and held up their arms — and yelled as the ball swished through for a 49-32 advantage.
Sims said about her coach's instructions, "He told me to make sure I followed my shot. If I got the shot, just take it."
Another three by Sims gave Bluefield a 57-40 lead with 4:14 to go — seconds after Page connected on a trey from NBA range.
Bluefield led by 12 points with a minute left, but the Lady Mavs did not go quietly.
Page scored 14 points, nailing four treys, in the game's final five minutes and a last-second three by Laine Shiflet made the final point spread four points.
Mallamaci said, "Jordan Page, I think that's some of the best shooting I've seen, male or female ... all year. I mean, she just took that team on her back. If I didn't have to be coaching against her, that'd be fun to watch."
McPherson said, "There's no way around it, she's a tremendous shooter."
Fullerton, meanwhile, celebrated her highest-scoring game of the season. "My team really motivated me," she said. "I just like to play hard and give it all I've got."
Dazia Edwards and Shelia Hopkins each scored 10 points for Bluefield.
Sisters Carter and Laine Shiflet had 12 and 11 points for James Monroe, which ended its season.
McPherson said about the future, "Obviously, I'm going to miss my six seniors tremendously. That's a huge void."
"But we've got a lot of underclassmen who've had a lot of experience this year, fortunately. We've got Carter Shiflet and Laine returning. (We've) got some guards with some experience. So, we're going to just — prepare for next year."
Bluefield advances to play PikeView in the sectional championship game on Thursday at 7 p.m. The Lady Panthers have beaten Bluefield twice this season, 55-45 and 50-39.
Mallamaci said, "That's going to be a challenge. We're going to have to play better than we did tonight to have a chance. PikeView's awfully good, they're about 10 deep, athletic, very fundamentally sound, very well-coached. It's going to be a hard game."
Fullerton said, "I think that we need to keep practicing, and work hard. We've got to get ready for them, because they're not going to be easy."
The winner of that game will host a Region 3 co-final next week, while the loser will go on the road for a regional co-final game against the champion of Section 1, which includes defending state champion Westside.
"We'd much rather host one than to travel, probably, to Westside," Mallamaci said. "That wouldn't be fun."
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Carter Shiflet 4 4-6 12, Emily McKinney 0 0-1 0, Jordan Page 8 3-5 25, Kelsie Mann 3 1-8 7, Laine Shiflet 3 4-7 11, Kelsie Gillespie 0 2-2 2, Kayla Via 1 0-0 2, Mikaila Moran 1 0-2 2. Totals 20 14-31 61.
Kaitlyn Thompson 0 0-2 0, Destiney Sims 6 4-12 19, Jesslyn Fullerton 7 3-4 19, Tyra Jackson 2 2-2 6, Dazia Edwards 2 6-8 10, Abby Atwell 0 1-2 1, Khadijah Brown 0 0-2 0, Sheila Hopkins 5 0-0 10, Dazia Taxley 0 0-2 0. Totals 22 16-34 65.
James Monroe................10 13 9 29 — 61
Bluefield...........................14 11 24 16 — 65
Three-point goals — JM 7 (Page 6, L. Shiflet 1); BHS 5 (Sims 3, Fullerton 2). Total fouls — JM22, BHS 22. Fouled out — BHS, Edwards, Jackson, Hopkins. Technical foul — JM, Page.


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Energy sector expected to drive growth in the screw jack market
The global screw jack market is mature and has had a low single digit growth profile in recent years. Screw jacks perform important handling and lifting functions in industry, civil transport and energy sectors.
IMS Research, recently acquired by IHS Inc., forecasts continued stable growth in the screw jack market over the next five years. The global screw jack market is mature and has had a low single digit growth profile in recent years. Screw jacks perform important handling and lifting functions in industry, civil transport and energy sectors. According to the IMS Research report, The World Market for Screw Jacks and Lead Screw Products – 2012 Edition the energy sector is forecast to outperform the global market through 2015, when the market segment is forecast to be worth in excess of $44 million.
Investment in energy infrastructure will focus on different forms of electricity generation. Fastest growth will predictably be in the developing economies of China and India, which are adding significant additional power generation capacity. India had an estimated population of nearly 1.2 billion people in 2010, according to the World Bank, but more than 25% of its population does not have access to electricity. Currently, most electricity generation in emerging economies is achieved predominantly by polluting coal fired power; however, new capacity will come from a mix of clean-coal fired, hydro, nuclear and renewable electricity generation. The established economies of North America, Western Europe and Japan have re-examined their energy plans post Fukushima, resulting in some countries such as Japan and Germany choosing to decommission nuclear power plants. Decommissioning nuclear power plants requires materials handling of large bulk items, which will also generate business for screw jack manufacturers.
According to IMS Research Senior Analyst James Dawson, "The energy sector of the screw jack market will benefit from ongoing industrialization and urbanization in fast growing economies, and investment in replacement power generation capacity and decommissioning of old nuclear power plants in developed economies." This will be welcome news for European manufacturers who have suffered from tough economic circumstances affecting their traditional heavy industrial automation market segments such as glass and chemical production.
Manufacturers of screw jacks from North America, Europe and Japan are often preferred in safety critical applications such as nuclear energy, and this fact is reflected by the activity of screw jack manufacturers from the U.S. and Europe doing business in the Asia Pacific region. Screw jack producers from low cost manufacturing countries mainly focus on industrial automation applications. Industrial automation is the biggest market sector in each region, and tends to be the most price-competitive. Consequently, there are plenty of opportunities for screw jack producers from low cost manufacturing regions to build up market share in this space.
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I'm just curious to see how much people here spend on food per day. I tried to put some numbers to my own food intake, and was surprised to find it was nearly $9/day - and that assumes I only ate food that was prepared by me, as opposed to eating at a restaurant (although I don't do that too often).
So as a quick survey, I'm just wondering:
1. About how much you spend per day on food, and supplements that count as food (i.e. whey protein, gainers, MRPs - basically anything that has a caloric value)
2. About how many calories you eat per day (just ballpark it if you don't use fitday or anything like that, surely you can guesstimate to within 1000)
3. What types of things you typically eat - it doesn't have to be too specific - i.e., milk, oats, McD's cheeseburgers, 5 scoops Nitrean, etc.
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for me its under $5
carbs from oats and pasta
protein from tins of tuna, eggs, turkey mince and a little bit of whey from PWO
fats from walnut oil and fish oil caps, and EV Olive oil
whey from a bulk supplier as well (plain old unflavored for me)
I buy one meal a day at least; So, $7 on average. Protein shakes I won't even try to count. Its too difficult to count everything that counts as a calorie, IMO.
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - John Calvin Coolidge
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2. 1500-3000, it varies.
3. In a day, 4-6 scoops of Nitrean, about 2 cups of skim milk, 4 eggs, 2oz of cheese, coffee, chicken, beef, pork or fish with veggies, 2-4 tbs of peanut butter.
alot.We eat all the time and sometimes shop twice a day.Plus we like to go out and eat.
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Maybe $8-10 a day. I usually spend about $60-70 a week on groceries, sometimes more if I get a great deal on something or decide to buy really good stuff.
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Pro-Choice...ON EVERYTHING.
1) I spend $60 / week plus a couple of meals out, so somewhere in the $9-$11 range.
2) ~2500 lately, 3000+ when bulking
3) Anything and everything. Pasta, potatoes, beef, chicken, pork, rice, brocolli, salads, whole wheat breads, etc.....and the occasional McD's Double cheeseburger
4 bucks or so.
249lbs cutting to 220lbs
Bench: 250
Deadlift: 435
Squat: 350