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Those arguing that President Obama's victory in the election a few weeks back was due to fraud may have found a dubious ally in their quest to argue that Mitt Romney's rightful victory was stolen from under his nose.
That ally is the much-mocked Dean Chambers, creator of the now arguably discredited website UnskewedPolls.com. Chambers, fresh off his last venture into arguing with numbers, has created the site barackofraudo.com, where he has posted this map, which he claims represents states that President Obama won by voter fraud
Dave Weigel of Slate reports:
Anyway, the polls were right. Chambers has moved on, launching BarackOFraudo.com, "exposing how they stole the 2012 election." It leads off with a map of the 2012 election that blacks out Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. They are "states won by Obama fraud." What's Chambers going on for that?
"I'm getting credible information of evidence in those states that there enough numbers that are questionable and could have swung the election," he says. "I'm only putting good credible information on there, like the actual vote counts, reports, and mainstream publications reporting voter fraud. There's a lot of chatter, though. There are articles people have sent me that don't hold up. Crazy stuff."
What's not crazy? "Things like the 59 voting divisions of Philadelphia where Romney received zero votes," says Chambers. "Even Larry Sabato said that should be looked into." (I've looked into this: 57 precincts gave McCain no votes in 2008. There's such a thing as a 99% Democratic precinct, and such a thing as a 99% Republican precinct.) Same story in Ohio. "Some of the precincts or divisions in cleveland were projected to be 99% Obama. That's a part of the state where it's known that a lot of ballot box scamming has been done in the past. There were isolated reports of people voting for Romney and having votes changed, though they didn't get much attention.
To Chambers' credit, he admits that he's trying to prove something very difficult by amassing the data on his site, yet still sticks to the story he's telling:
Evidence of vote fraud is very much like that. Those who engage in it are slick and do all they can to hide it, so the evidence is often quite circumstantial. In fact, often the circumstantial evidence is all the evidence we have, such was finding tens of thousands of bogus votes in the ballot box, we didn't see someone actually put them there, but they are found, they are there, and they are clearly evidence of vote fraud. Such is true of the voting divisions where Obama gets 100 percent of the votes cast. As if anyone REALLY believes that is legitimate.
As documented by TheBlaze, there are voting divisions where Mitt Romney also got 100 percent of the votes cast. Because of missed details like this, and his erroneous claim elsewhere that Virginia wasn't called until Obama was leading, Chambers' argument probably won't face any success, or be taken with much seriousness by RNC leaders. However, that's never stopped any of his fellow campaigners against stolen elections before." -- Mytheos Holt

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The first time I used the term was during the Los Angeles visit to see The Business of Being Born. I really thought I'd coined the term (ha!), but a tad of research found this example from May 2, 2005:
"How 'bout 'blogsided'? A variation on blindsided. As in, the director of the Los Alamos weapons lab claims he was 'blogsided' by unhappy employees."
The earliest example of the term "blog-sided" I can find is from Sept. 27, 2004. Granted, it is in a different context, but is still important enough to note.
"My jaw drops open in complete speechlessness that I am even having this (admittedly one blog-sided) conversation!."
The term isn't seen much on-line (yet), but I think many more people have experienced blog-siding than have used the word.
Not so long ago, I talked (wrote), albeit in a roundabout way, about my interaction with a client. I didn't know that she would, eventually, read what I wrote and recognize herself. I thought I knew that anyone could be reading, but it didn't sink in until this experience. Being Net savvy, she lambasted me (rightfully so) in all the places I was known. I not only removed that piece, but others that could have incriminated clients – even if it was in a good light. My (now former) client felt violated. I apologized and the situation settled down, my re-building my blog reputation over time. I now only write about clients who have given me permission to do so.
Besides removing possibly HIPAA-violating posts, I also removed a lot of my own personal information from my blog because my former husband came along about the same time and didn't like things I was writing about our kids or him or something; I can't even remember now, but it wasn't a pleasant time. In another way, I, too, felt violated. Being personally attacked, sometimes for who I was as a woman, not just a midwife, pulled me into my Self… so much so, I fell into a years' worth of serious depression.
I've written a lot about writing. I've said that writing, for me, is as crucial as breathing. When controversial things come out of my fingers and I feel the bite (and I express the sadness/pain to my friends and family), I am asked why I don't just write privately; isn't that the same?
In the world before the Internet and blogging, it probably was. But, in an incredibly narcissistic way, it seems that those of us who blog can no longer go back to writing for an empty theater once we've had the amazing experience of writing with interaction; even if that interaction hurts deeply at times. That we risk public flogging bespeaks of the deep compulsion to write in a blog.
It took me a long time to inch my way back to sharing my thoughts and beliefs after I removed a great deal of posts from my blog. Interestingly, as I got stronger in my "voice," I even said things like, "I will never allow anyone to censor me again!" One Tenacious Baby Mama continues as my hero for the Truth in Written Word. When you pull her site up, the first thing you read says, "First of all, you will not like me." She knows and states it – and makes no apologies for what she says or who she speaks about. It was with her lead (and my family's approval to write whatever I wanted about them) that I stood tall again and let the ideas and words drip from my fingertips after my long (fairly) dry spell.
Blog-sided can also be a wonderful, if not disconcerting, experience. Most of the women in my mothers' group and all of my clients read my blog. Even knowing this, it surprises me when they will bring up a topic I've discussed in my (not-very) private world. That is "blog-sided."
The other type of being blog-sided comes with anger and retribution.
Writers across the Blogosphere vanish each night. We click on their blogs, long-cherished and much-loved, only to find the cold Blogspot announcement that "The blog you are looking for no longer exists."
I always think, "There, but for the grace of the goddess, go I."
I wonder who blog-sided them. Outed them. What they found on the site that was so distressing to the author that s/he felt compelled, no… terrified… enough to shut the whole shebang down.
We sometimes learn what happened. Flea (a physician), for instance, discussed his court appearances as well as his day-to-day life as a doctor. If the rumor was correct, the prosecuting attorney shut his site down.
Fat Doctor took a hiatus and then came back much more anonymously and with this disclaimer:
"Blanket statement to anyone wanting to sue me:
I am not your doctor and cannot give you advice. Please call your local hospital for referral to a board-certified family physician.
Unless clearly stated that I have permission to tell the story, patient anecdotes are fiction inspired by true events. Trust me, it's not all about you. Resemblance to any person alive or dead is purely coincidental.
On the other hand, if you are my friends or family members, you'd better watch yourselves or you'll be mocked. Publicly.
Opinions expressed are my own and do not represent those of my employers, coworkers, family, friends, neighbors, dog or the International House of Medbloggers."
Other times, I am quietly invited to join the private space of the invisible blogger, reading with a handful of trusted individuals, commenting where everyone knows exactly who the other is.
Most of the time though, bloggers are gone forever… into the Ethernet. Magnificent writers who shared incredible stories write somewhere in a corner where (almost) no one can see. I miss those folks. I hope not to become one.
I've been sharing my thoughts about Licensed and Certified Professional Midwifery lately and it ain't sittin' so well with a lot of people. I've gotten hate mail, mocking letters that call me "traitor" and an "insult to midwifery."
The Internet allows people to write amazing amounts of tripe while remaining anonymous. I have a thin veil of anonymity, but it wouldn't take 30 seconds to figure out who I am.
I'm always slightly amused by comments both here and on other blogs, throwing complaints or nastiness around, yet being left signed, "Anonymous."
As much as we can't stand much (all?) of what Dr. Amy says, there is something to be admired about her in-your-face declaration of who she is. Her name and face are right out there on her blog. How many of us can say we'd do the same?
Writing anonymously has its benefits. Those Bloggers who write with their names and locations hidden are able to share the fascinating details of worlds we otherwise wouldn't get to see. I love reading Med(ical)blogs! They share the flippin' coolest glimpses into the lives of doctors and nurses. When "seeing" what patients look like from their eyes, I find myself much more forgiving than if I never knew.
When any group of care providers get together, invariably, stories of funky/different/challenging clients comes up and, in the sharing, tension and worry can be released. Looking at people's quirks, wondering why they do the things they do, remaining baffled by them and sometimes chuckling or crying about the situations brings the participants closer (most times).
Medblogging is the same; voyeuristic glimpses into other people's lives helps us to learn other ways of doing things, to feel "normal" in a crazy world or to feel not quite so bad after all. I believe it fosters a sense of community, albeit a cyber one. When any of our blog-friends disappears, it is a great loss to us all.
Blogs enable real life discussions on a variety of topics.
A client of mine, after reading my pulled piece on the need for advancement in midwifery education, spoke about the need for transparency in all professions, especially those that deal with real lives. The word "transparency" is perfect for what I feel about the need for midwives to come out of their hidden inner circle and show the world exactly who they (we) are. If there is nothing to hide, no shame, then our status is assured. If, on the other hand, we are afraid we might be judged (and we will) and found guilty of the charges, perhaps we should look at that, not that we shouldn't have to "answer to" anyone else, that we should hide our charts, our statistics or even our motivations. The day is long gone when midwifery was an isolated entity that can fly under the radar of medical scrutiny. If we don't measure up, then we need to fix it.
I heard once, if someone is embarrassed to have anyone over to their house because it is such a mess, then flippin' clean it up! Why live in a place that brings embarrassment or shame? Just clean it up.
It's what I want midwifery to do, too. I would love to be able to write fearlessly, but perhaps in writing about experiences that go on behind closed doors, I am also acknowledging that I won't be able to write every thought that crosses my mind. I sure haven't been able to write about Peer Review and all the antics that went on there (I left) because we had a vow of not talking about what goes on in PR meetings, so there are taboo subjects. I don't write about every client interaction even though I think many would be incredibly helpful to students and apprentices (if not other midwives themselves). I've had to paint with broad strokes so's not to rock the boat of murky midwifery waters.
So, I do keep a private journal now; one that has the down and dirty of it all. And the joy and laughter that comes with working in a birth setting. As a crone, my days aren't forever in the workaday world. Someday, I will get to put my thoughts and experiences onto the (public) computer and, if I am really lucky, might get them published. They'd be an eye-opening read!
I've been encouraging hidden Bloggers to please capture their thoughts and feelings in a completely private blog. Perhaps some day, they will be able to write about them, maybe creating composite teachers, peers or clients to hide their true identities – maybe not.
As the Net becomes more accessible and blogging even more common (some people who I'd never thought would have one now do!), blog-sidings are going to happen more often. Let's hope they are more the good kind than the bad.
Even in my (our) expositions, I (we) walk a fine, fine line. It's keeping my balance that's the hard part.


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This chapter provides an overview of Sun Java™ System Message Queue administrative tasks and the tools for performing them, focusing on common features of the command line administration utilities. It consists of the following sections:
The typical administrative tasks to be performed depend on the nature of the environment in which you are running Message Queue. The demands of a software development environment in which Message Queue applications are being developed and tested are different from those of a production environment in which such applications are deployed to accomplish useful work. The following sections summarize the typical administrative requirements of these two different types of environment.
In a development environment, the emphasis is on flexibility. The Message Queue message service is needed principally for testing applications under development. Administration is generally minimal, with programmers often administering their own systems. Such environments are typically distinguished by the following characteristics:
Simple startup of brokers for use in testing
Administered objects instantiated in client code rather than created administratively
Auto-created destinations
File-system object store
File-based persistence
File-based user repository
No master broker in multiple-broker clusters
In a production environment in which applications must be reliably deployed and run, administration is more important. Administrative tasks to be performed depend on the complexity of the messaging system and of the applications it must support. Such tasks can be classified into two general categories: setup operations and maintenance operations.
Administrative setup operations in a production environment typically include some or all of the following:
Administrator security
Setting the password for the default administrative user (admin) (Changing a User's Password)
Controlling individual or group access to the administrative connection service (Authorization Rules for Connection Services) and the dead message queue (Authorization Rules for Physical Destinations)
Regulating administrative group access to a file-based or Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) user repository (User Groups and Status, Using an LDAP User Repository)
General security
Managing the contents of a file-based user repository (Using the User Manager Utility) or configuring the broker to use an existing LDAP user repository (Using an LDAP User Repository)
Controlling the operations that individual users or groups are authorized to perform (User Authorization)
Setting up encryption services using the Secure Socket Layer (SSL) (Message Encryption)
Administered objects
Setting up and configuring an LDAP object store ( LDAP Server Object Stores)
Creating connection factories and destinations ( Adding Administered Objects)
Broker clusters
Creating a cluster configuration file (The Cluster Configuration File)
Designating a master broker (Managing a Conventional Cluster's Configuration Change Record)
Configuring a broker to use a persistent store (Chapter 8, Configuring Persistence Services).
Memory management
Setting a destination's configuration properties to optimize its memory usage (Updating Physical Destination Properties, Chapter 17, Physical Destination Property Reference)
Because application performance, reliability, and security are at a premium in production environments, message service resources must be tightly monitored and controlled through ongoing administrative maintenance operations, including the following:
Broker administration and tuning
Using broker metrics to tune and reconfigure a broker ( Chapter 13, Analyzing and Tuning a Message Service)
Managing broker memory resources (Managing Broker System-Wide Memory)
Creating and managing broker clusters to balance message load (Chapter 10, Configuring and Managing Broker Clusters)
Recovering failed brokers (Starting Brokers).
Administered objects
Adjusting connection factory attributes to ensure the correct behavior of client applications (Connection Factory Attributes)
Monitoring and managing physical destinations ( Configuring and Managing Physical Destinations)
Controlling user access to destinations ( Authorization Rules for Physical Destinations)
Client management
Monitoring and managing durable subscriptions (see Managing Durable Subscriptions).
Monitoring and managing transactions (see Managing Transactions).
This section describes the tools you use to configure and manageMessage Queue broker services. The tools fall into two categories:
Message Queue's built-in administration tools include both command line and GUI tools:
All Message Queue utilities are accessible via a command line interface. Utility commands share common formats, syntax conventions, and options. These utilities allow you to perform various administrative tasks, as noted below, and therefore can require different administrative permissions:
The Broker utility (imqbrokerd) starts up brokers and specifies their configuration properties, including connecting them together into a cluster. Permissions: User account that initially started the broker.
The Command utility (imqcmd) controls brokers and their resources and manages physical destinations. Permissions: Message Queue admin user account.
The Object Manager utility (imqobjmgr) manages provider-independent administered objects in an object store accessible via the Java Naming and Directory Interface (JNDI). Permissions: Object store (flat-file or LDAP server) access account.
The Database Manager utility (imqdbmgr) creates and manages databases for persistent storage that conform to the Java Database Connectivity (JDBC) standard. Permissions: JDBC database manager account.
The User Manager utility (imqusermgr) populates a file-based user repository for user authentication and authorization. Permissions: user account that initially started the broker.
The Service Administrator utility ( imqsvcadmin) installs and manages a broker as a Windows service. Permissions: Administrator.
The Key Tool utility (imqkeytool) generates self-signed certificates for Secure Socket Layer (SSL) authentication. Permissions: root user (Solaris and Linux platforms) or Administrator (Windows platform).
The executable files for the above command line utilities are in the /bin directory shown in Appendix A, Platform-Specific Locations of Message Queue Data.
See Chapter 15, Command Line Reference for detailed information on the use of these utilities.
The Message Queue Administration Console combines some of the capabilities of the Command and Object Manager utilities. You can use it to perform the following tasks:
Connect to and control a broker remotely
Create and manage physical destinations
Create and manage administered objects in a JNDI object store
However, you cannot use the Administration Console to perform such tasks as starting up a broker, creating broker clusters, managing a JDBC database or a user repository, installing a broker as a Windows service, or generating SSL certificates. For these, you need the other command line utilities (Broker, Database Manager, User Manager, Service Administrator, and Key Tool), which cannot operate remotely and must be run on the same host as the broker they manage (see Figure 1–1).
See Chapter 2, Quick-Start Tutorial for a brief, hands-on introduction to the Administration Console. More detailed information on its use is available through its own help facility.
To serve customers who need a standard programmatic means to monitor and access the broker, Message Queue also supports the Java Management Extensions (JMX) architecture, which allows a Java application to manage broker resources programmatically.
Resources include everything that you can manipulate using the Command utility (imqcmd) and the Message Queue Admin Console: the broker, connection services, connections, destinations, durable subscribers, transactions, and so on.
Management includes the ability to dynamically configure and monitor resources, and the ability to obtain notifications about state changes and error conditions.
JMX is the Java standard for building management applications. Message Queue is based on the JMX 1.2 specification, which is part of JDK 1.5.
For information on the broker's JMX infrastructure and how to configure the broker to support JMX client applications,, see Appendix D, JMX Support.
To manage a Message Queue broker using the JMX architecture, see Sun Java System Message Queue 4.3 Developer's Guide for JMX Clients.


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FORT COLLINS — Head coach Jeanne Godaire didn't want her team to look too far ahead. But once the Evergreen Lady Cougars qualified for 18 spots in the finals of the 4A state girls swimming championships, it was their title to lose.
This year, they wouldn't lose it.
A year after a disqualification in the meet-opening 200-yard medley relay cost Evergreen its first state championship, the Lady Cougars were never threatened. Evergreen dominated from start to finish, ending up with 332.5 points on Feb. 15 at the Edora Pool Ice Center. Three-time defending champion Thompson Valley was second with 244 points, while Cheyenne Mountain was third with 233.5.
"The girls stayed really focused throughout the whole meet. They were about getting the job done, swimming their best in every race," Godaire said. "This year was a lot about the numbers, as well as the individual swims, as well as the relays. They did an awesome job of staying focus and not thinking too far ahead."
Evergreen, which finished third in 2013 and second in 2012, avenged last year's 200 medley relay with a victory this go-around. The foursome of Lindsay Morrow, Josie Pearson, Bailey Smith and Kamryn Holland — all juniors — combined for a time of 1 minute, 48.28 seconds. They edged second-place Manitou Springs by 0.6 seconds. It was the first of three wins on the day for the Lady Cougars.
"We have a lot of really speedy girls, so definitely it's the depth, like in the 100 free, where we had three girls make it back to the top eight. That was a really good showing for Evergreen," said Morrow, who took first in the 200 individual medley in 2:05.29 and the 100 backstroke in 55.69 seconds.
Morrow set the 4A state record in the backstroke a day earlier in the preliminaries in a time of 55.63 seconds. All three wins were either an All-America time or considered All-America time. "We've been working so hard this year," she said.
Like the week before, when Jeffco rival D'Evelyn had twice as many victories as Evergreen, and Thompson Valley finished with one more victory than Evergreen. But the Lady Cougars' ammo came with sheer numbers. A team predominately made up of underclassmen — Evergreen will graduate just three seniors — the Lady Cougars had multiple finalists in six of the nine individual events. That included the 1-meter diving competition, in which sophomores Katrin Lewis (403.45 points) and Bailey Mills (385.8) placed fifth and eighth, respectively. The only event Evergreen didn't have a finalist in was the 50 freestyle.
"We had a lot of really good swimmers join the team this year," said freshman Kate McDonald, who placed second in the 500 freestyle and tied for third in the 200 freestyle. "The upperclassmen really helped us become better swimmers. They kind of showed the way."
Smith, Pearson and Anna McDonald each placed in the top seven in two events, while Katelyn Kenchel (fifth in the 100 freestyle), Holland (seventh in the 100 freestyle) and Kara Coughlin (seventh in the 500 freestyle) added to Evergreen's medal haul. Coughlin and Holland also had a pair of consolation final appearances.
With each passing event, winning a team title wasn't in much doubt, but Evergreen wasn't taking any chances. Its focus with each race was to go full-speed ahead and to leave little doubt in the process.
"We were just so excited that we really didn't pay attention to what they were saying about the score throughout the meet. Every single race we gave 100 percent. It was a not a matter of looking ahead or behind. It was about putting all of our heart into it," Holland said.
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Beannachd leibh! That is hello in Scots Gaelic. This is my personal webpage. I have a lot of hobbies and interests, so be sure to check out all of my pages. Thank you for visiting today.
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Seriously one of the best gaming experiences I've ever indulged in. Lots to shoot, lots to loot and some serious replay value to top it off. In the immortal words of Steve the bandit, "HEYOOOOOOOOOOO!"
A cinematic experience!
Graphically, and gameplay-wise, this game has aged very well. Super intense action sequences and the feeling that your choices really do matter to you and your squadmates. I pretty much played it from start to finish in one go — I couldn't tear myself away!
The dark side is strong with this one.
While visuals may be a bit dated, the events non-canon (now) and the camera mechanics a tad on the glitchy side, this is still a fun-as-hell 10+ hours of acrobatic lightsabering. Quite possibly my favourite combat system of the LucasArts jedi games and the destructable environments create some great replay value.
Fantastic, as always.
As the title states, this one holds to the adorable quality standards of the previous two entries in the series. This game is chock-full of head-scratching puzzles and is the longest game so far featuring everyone's favourite lil' gnome.
Best bang for yer buck
The title says it all — countless hours of adventurous gameplay, hundreds of side missions, tons of challenges, endless pop culture references and guns, oh the guns. Hilarious dialogue, clever character design and did I mention THE GUNS?!?
A wonderful, albeit short, little gem of a game. Fantastic art direction, characters and writing. Controls were a little sludgy at times, but I would recommend this game to anyone without a doubt. Cultural insights (in the DLC as well) were a great addition to the gameplay.


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Kurt Busch may run IndyCar season finale, working on Indy 500 deal
While Kurt Busch is trying to find a full-time Sprint Cup ride for 2014, the 2004 Cup champion isn't ruling out trying his hand behind the wheel of an Indy car.
Busch completed the Indianapolis 500 rookie orientation program in May with Andretti Autosport. He hasn't competed in an IndyCar event yet but possibly could run the season finale at Auto Club (Calif.) Speedway, which will be run Oct. 19, the Saturday night before the Cup race at Talladega.
Running the California race would get him ready for a possible run at the 2014 Indianapolis 500.
"I'd like to do that race and then attempt the 500," Busch said during a break in testing Tuesday at Watkins Glen Speedway. "If I can't get that oval race in, I just feel like I'd show up at the Indy 500 as a blind guy with a stick trying to find his way around and that is just going to be too much to make up.
"We're working on it, and it's a good possibility. We just have to keep our fingers crossed."
Busch would like to do race with Andretti, whom he had hoped to race stock cars with this year as part of a deal that would have kept Dodge in the sport.
That never materialized, and Busch went to Furniture Row Racing, where he is 15th in the Cup standings and vying for a spot in the Chase. He also has no Cup deal for 2014, and it appears he's set on trying to work a deal that would allow him to try to run the Indy-Charlotte double on Memorial Day weekend.
Busch tried to visualize an Indy 500 four-lap qualifying attempt prior to going out for his qualifying lap Saturday for the Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
"Our qualifying is a lot less nerve-wracking than to be ready for a full day, four laps at a time, and putting an open-wheel car on the grid," Busch said Saturday.
"I was trying to chew on some of those emotions, that way if I do come back in the month of May, I can chew on them and not be so nervous."
The Andretti team is owned by accomplished racer Michael Andretti, son of legendary driver Mario Andretti.
Busch said he is actively working on finding sponsorship to do the Indy-Charlotte double.
"Sponsorship is the name of the game," Busch said. "Everybody wants good advertising partners to do great things with, and I think this is a unique opportunity.
"We're out there looking and we're out there promoting and we'll see if things come together the right way."
He is working on a deal that would put him in Andretti car but he also has heard from other IndyCar teams that have interest in him.
"Andretti is a phenomenal individual and has accomplished a ton in the cockpit and he's done so much outside of the car," Busch said.
"It would be great to do it with him. We've also had other offers from a couple of other teams after we did our practice session with Andretti. But I'd like to do it with Andretti since he's the one that dipped me in the bath the first time and baptized me."
So is this just a dream?
"It is something you want to do as a dream," Busch said. "Sometimes you have to throw away common sense when you have a dream to go and do it.
"We'll see if it turns out. A lot of guys would love to do it but there's that 600-mile race you have to be at that same night, so that's the big focus."


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Cardinals catching fire at just the right time
MILWAUKEE -- This game tingled with the kind of nonstop tension that is a specialty of September baseball. Two contending teams in a one-run contest. But for the St. Louis Cardinals, who have now had 47 one-run games, 27 of which they have won, it was another night at the office.
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MILWAUKEE -- This game tingled with the kind of nonstop tension that is a specialty of September baseball. Two contending teams in a one-run contest. But for the St. Louis Cardinals, who have now had 47 one-run games, 27 of which they have won, it was another night at the office.
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The Cardinals won again Thursday night, 3-2, over the Milwaukee Brewers. The Brew Crew stranded nine runners over the last four innings. The Cards held on to this razor-thin margin because of clutch pitching and some truly outstanding defense.
The nature of the game did not reflect the fact that these had been two clubs headed in opposite directions. The outcome Thursday night was, based on recent results, exactly what you would have expected. It was the sixth straight victory for the Redbirds. It was the ninth straight loss for the Brewers. Milwaukee has been outscored, 58-18, in those nine losses.
The Brewers were in first place for 150 consecutive days this season, but now they are four games behind St. Louis in the National League Central race. The Cardinals are in the midst of making the most of a pivotal week. They just took three straight from the Pirates, dropping Pittsburgh well off the pace.
The Cards and the Brewers meet six more times this season, so the Central race is far from a done deal. But the trends are unmistakable.
St. Louis kept its streak alive with brilliant defense. Jon Jay made two run-saving catches in right; one a diving catch on a sinking liner, the other a running grab in the corner.
In center, Peter Bourjos made a game-saving play with two on in the eighth, racing to the wall to make a sensational catch on a drive by Logan Schafer.
"I thought that ball was gone," Matheny said. "Just an incredible catch. Incredible. He's not just fast. He has great instincts and good jumps."
Bourjos, one of the best defensive outfielders in the game, was matter-of-fact about the play.
"I felt like it could be right at the wall," Bourjos said. "I didn't think it would be out and I was just trying to get back to the wall in time. My initial break on it, I thought, was good."
Bourjos smacked into the wall just after making the catch, but he held onto the ball and his health.
"Once the ball is in my glove, I try to relax, to absorb the impact of the wall and so the ball doesn't come out," Bourjos said. "It's tough in that situation, because you have to focus on the ball and not the wall. "
One way or another, the Cardinals are playing their best baseball at precisely the right time. A big factor is getting catcher Yadier Molina back from a seven-week absence with a torn thumb ligament.
The Cards did not evaporate when Molina was sidelined. They went 21-19. But Molina is an invaluable all-around presence for St. Louis, particularly for his diligent and devoted work with the pitching staff.
In any case, the Cardinals have the timing down.
"Obviously, we're playing good baseball right now," Cards general manager John Mozeliak said. "Hopefully, we can continue to do so. But we take nothing for granted.
"One of the things you learn early in your career is that it matters where you end. Obviously, getting off to a good start helps, but if you finish strong and allow yourself to take that next step, the timing of playing well late has value."
Matheny likes the way his club has moved forward late in the season.
"It's also pretty special to watch how these guys have fought, from behind, when things would get tough, watching them get tougher," Matheny said. "Seeing the various characters step in. We've seen great leadership from the veterans, we've seen different guys step in, [On Wednesday] Peter Bourjos got a big hit. And it's been nice to see some of the young guys come through, as well. We've been playing the game with a lot of heart. And that's what any coach or manager would love to see."
The Cardinals, in September, are playing that kind of game. It has not been easy to reach first place, but that becomes a logical spot for a team playing this well at this time of year.
Mike Bauman is a national columnist for MLB.com.


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Well I guess then your mom will do. You sure she doesnt have AIDS??
is that an invitation on behalf of your mom?
if so, no thanks. indian hos got aids
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#201 AryanFauji
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 10:46 AM
#202 rice
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 10:51 AM
my mom's not indian
Well I guess then your mom will do. You sure she doesnt have AIDS??
you invited me to an indian ho, who happened to be your mom
and i politely declined the offer
again, no thanks. india is the world's 2nd largest aids nation after all
oh ####, does that mean you got aids too?
dirty fukkers eh, these indians
as if eating with your right hand and wiping #### with your left wasn't enough
#203 AryanFauji
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 10:52 AM
Rice I am coming for you!!!!!!!!!!
my mom's not indian
you invited me to an indian ho, who happened to be your mom
and i politely declined the offer
again, no thanks. india is the world's 2nd largest aids nation after all
oh ####, does that mean you got aids too?
dirty fukkers eh, these indians
as if eating with your right hand and wiping #### with your left wasn't enough
#204 rice
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 11:00 AM
no it's alright
Rice I am coming for you!!!!!!!!!!
declined your offer means no, i don't want your mom and free aids
i'll give you a few dollars out of kindness of my heart, that'll boost your family income by a few times as well as boosting indian GDP
#205 dabrownguy
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 11:24 AM
I'm annoyed and this is brining down this forum.
#206 AryanFauji
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:37 PM
I am really sorry about my comments about the Chinese people. I have a lot of good Chinese friends myself. And I am also sorry for getting into this #### with rice on this forum.
OK...are you guys on talk about the topic of flame??????
I'm annoyed and this is brining down this forum.
#207 dabrownguy
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 11:01 PM
Don't let yourself fall down to their level or sh1te and tiger penis soup.
I am really sorry about my comments about the Chinese people. I have a lot of good Chinese friends myself. And I am also sorry for getting into this #### with rice on this forum.
#208 oz281
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Posted 02 April 2004 - 01:18 AM
I guess most of you are a bunch of 15--25 year olds with some connections in the army.
Most "facts" that have been spitted around have been known for ages. Nothing new ........flame wars.......Fact is Pakistan has a good tank for the subcontinent but it certainly isnt the best tank in the world .......
Just consider that the M1 A2 Abrahams in Iraq took an average of 7-8 hits per tank by RPG's , anti tank weapons and tank fire and still were working. Only 4-5 tanks were destroyed. .......... Is the AK that tough !!!!!
The AK needs to consider turret top protection by ERA considering Indian has a large helicopter anti tank fleet. Currently it doesnt have it and is vulnerable to attacks from planes and helis.
Modern ERA on all surfaces would add on another 5 tons and cause mobility problems!!
AK would however be able to take on the t-72 with ease but would face a challenge from the t-90. The best tank commander with better tactics will win in a match of AK versus T-90.
my humble thoughts
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#209 AryanFauji
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Posted 02 April 2004 - 11:34 AM
Chillout dude!!
most of you are high on rhetoric and low on substance ........
I guess most of you are a bunch of 15--25 year olds with some connections in the army.
Most "facts" that have been spitted around have been known for ages. Nothing new ........flame wars.......Fact is Pakistan has a good tank for the subcontinent but it certainly isnt the best tank in the world .......
Just consider that the M1 A2 Abrahams in Iraq took an average of 7-8 hits per tank by RPG's , anti tank weapons and tank fire and still were working. Only 4-5 tanks were destroyed. .......... Is the AK that tough !!!!!
The AK needs to consider turret top protection by ERA considering Indian has a large helicopter anti tank fleet. Currently it doesnt have it and is vulnerable to attacks from planes and helis.
Modern ERA on all surfaces would add on another 5 tons and cause mobility problems!!
AK would however be able to take on the t-72 with ease but would face a challenge from the t-90. The best tank commander with better tactics will win in a match of AK versus T-90.
my humble thoughts
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By Nitin, 29 March 2004
The Indian Army has finally commenced an ambitious project to upgrade its T-72M1 Main Battle Tanks to modern day standards. Over the past two decades, the T-72M1 has provided yeoman service to the Army. It is well liked by the Army for its ruggedness, low silhouette and weight (41.5 tons) as well as firepower (125mm 2A46 smoothbore main gun, 12.7mm anti-air machine gun and 7.62mm co-axial). The T-72M1 is the backbone of the Indian armoured fleet, over 1700 tanks are believed to be in service. License production was undertaken at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu. To keep the tank fleet viable, an upgrade plan was drawn up by the Army. But during the early 1990s, the Indian economy went through a tumultuous phase and the resulting fiscal problems forced these plans into abeyance.
Now the economy is on an upswing and the Army has hence been allocated funds to pursue this critical modernization. The tank upgrade will proceed in stages. The Indian T-72 fleet is huge and more modern tanks are also being inducted, so some T-72s are being outfitted with all the bells and whistles - the 'gold standard' so as to speak, whereas the rest will be modernised in a more modest manner. Commencement has begun by bringing 250 tanks to the DRDO's (Defence Research & Development Organisation) 'Combat Improved' Ajeya standard. (The T-72M1 has been named the Ajeya in Indian service). The 'gold standard' upgrade package includes:
A new fire control system: the Drawa-T from PCO-Cenzin of Poland. The Drawa-T is present on the Polish PT-91 tanks, their much improved variant of the T-72, and a muzzle reference system.
A thermal imager integrated with the Drawa-T fire control system, supplied by Israel's El-Op.
New radios: DRDO's and BEL's (Bharat Electronics Ltd) state-of-the-art frequency hopping combat net radio, to be manufactured by BEL.
A fibre optic gyro-based navigation system: BEL's advanced land navigation system.
Laser Warning System: Designed by DRDO, BEL and Indian Industry, to be manufactured by BEL.
The tank's stabilisation will also be upgraded - the gun control system being the responsibility of Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. and/or the Electronics Corporation of India Ltd. The DRDO's Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) package will also be part and parcel of the upgrade. This comprehensive suite was developed for the Arjun program and is well tested. The ERA provides enhanced protection against both chemical (HEAT) as well as kinetic attack (FSAPDS). It reduces the effect of a Milan hit by 70%. The ERA coverage also extends to the turret top, for protection against top attack anti-tank guided missiles. The DRDO's ERA has saved the Indian exchequer a considerable amount in foreign exchange. DRDO notes that imported ERA packages would cost approximately Rs.4,80,000 per tank. At present exchange rates that comes to about USD $80K - 90K per tank, a substantial amount given the number of tanks India wishes to upgrade.
A new Integrated Fire Detection & Suppression system has also found its place in the upgrade. Improvements to the tank's Nuclear Biological & Chemical protection are also included. Both these technologies were developed by DRDO via the Arjun program. India's Defense Ministry has noted that the 'Combat Improved' Ajeyas have begun rolling out of the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu with transfer of technology and other improvements having taken place smoothly. To bear this increased weight, the T-72 will also receive a new power pack. Apparently, an attempt to shoehorn the T-90S' 1000 hp engine into the T-72 was unsuccessful. Several European firms have their engines on offer. Wartsila and Slovakia's Kerametal have both offered 1000 hp engine solutions to India.
However, India's most recent tank project - the Tank-Ex has been equipped with a 1000 hp engine - the T-72's 780 hp one up rated to 1000 hp. HVF Avadi and DRDO have been working on this project for some time and its selection for the Tank-Ex indicates that its development is complete. This relatively low cost option would be the best choice for the Indian tank upgrade and is probably the engine of choice. The Arjun program has served its purpose - many of its spin-offs have been applied to the T-72 upgrade. These include the armour, laser warning system, the Integrated Fire Detection & Suppression System. DRDO and BEL's work on other aspects has also borne fruit - the Combat Net Radio is the Army's choice. Apart from these, DRDO and OFB's (Ordnance Factory Board) 125mm Fin Stabilised Armour Penetrating Discarding Sabot (FSAPDS) round is also a direct spin-off of the Arjun MBT program. After some initial hiccups, the production has stabilised once more - since 2001, some 130,000 rounds have been produced by OFB.
Moving Forward
The upgrade of the remaining tanks is to proceed in batches - albeit to different levels. Many tanks will receive an update to their Fire Control Systems and at the very minimum, the radios will be replaced. Interestingly, Poland's Defence Minister has recently noted that India and Poland are close to confirming a defence agreement worth $330 million. This apparently, is in addition to the initial Indo-Polish agreement, wherein Poland supplied armoured recovery vehicles, parachutes for special forces and of course, the Drawa-T FCS for the first batch of 250 T-72M1 tanks.
The Choices at Hand
The experience gained via the Arjun program has given Indian designers the confidence to upgrade the T-72M1 on their own. India has hence chosen acquired specific systems on a 'import when required' basis. For instance, India does not have a viable thermal imager of its own design and hence chose to involve El-Op in the T-72 upgrade program. In the coming days, more Arjun components and sub-systems may also find their way onto the T-72M1. Various international manufacturers have responded to the Indian Army's request for proposals. They are;
The Russians: Russia has its own T-72M1 improvement program on offer - it covers all the aspects of the Indian program, albeit with Russian made components. The ERA is a new design and is claimed to offer enhanced protection against both FSAPDS and anti-tank guided missiles. The T-72M1 will be modernized on lines of the T-90S which India already operates. For example, the new Fire Control System would permit engagements with the Refleks gun launched missile. The commander would be able to take over the engagement as well. A thermal imager would also be provided for night fighting. Two axis stabilisation, as in the T-90S, would enable fire-on-the-move capability. The Russians also have a range of ammunition on offer for the 125mm 2A46 gun. The engine would also be upgraded to 1000 hp. India could also seek to incorporate more esoteric devices - such as an anti-mine device working on the principle of electromagnetic suppression. Russian Laser Warning Systems are also available, if India were to opt for them. The Shtora EOCMDAS (Electro Optic Counter Measures Defensive Aids Suite) has been repeatedly advertised as well, but its selection is doubtful at present - given that even the Indian T-90S do not have them.
The Poles: Poland is seeking to expand its involvement in the T-72M1 upgrade program as well. Having supplied the Drawa-T FCS, it has offered to upgrade the tanks to its own PT-91 standard, with a Polish reactive armour package and laser warning receivers. PZL Wola also manufactures its own 1000 hp engine. The FCS on offer would be the Drawa-T to offer maximal commonality with India's prior purchases. Incidentally, Poland is also supplying the PT91M to Malaysia - these tanks have the even more modern French Savan 15 FCS, derived from the one on the French Leclerc MBT. Poland has also modified its 125mm FSAPDS-T rounds with a new high penetration tip, with a claimed penetration of 560mm at 2 km.
The Israelis: Israel has now emerged as one of India's biggest defence suppliers. It has supplied the thermal imagers for India's tank upgrade as well as 125mm FSAPDS ammunition for the T-72 fleet in the past. Anti-tank munitions are part and parcel of the Israeli defence establishment's product line. Israel has extensive experience in the tank upgrade arena - it has converted captured Russian-manufactured tanks into armoured personnel carriers and has constantly updated its older tanks (M-47, M-60, Centurion) to impressive standards. Israel has its own series of armour - reactive and passive, fire control systems, stabilisation systems, countermeasures - all of which are on offer for upgrade purposes. Israel manufactures its own Main Battle Tanks - the Merkava series - with the Knight Mk3 Fire Control System (on board the Merkava 3) having been repeatedly advertised for sale to India. A consortium of Israeli firms - including Israel Military Industries, Tadiran and Elbit - has put its best foot forward to compete for Project Rhino. Given attractive offers of offsets and technology transfer, they might have a winning chance. Tadiran has already supplied quite a few state of the art communication suites to the Indian Army.
The Ukrainians: Morozov of Ukraine, have also come forth with various proposals to upgrade the Indian T-72M1 fleet. Given their deep involvement with the Pakistani tank programs - Al Khalid (Norinco MBT 2000), Al Zarrar ( Type 59 upgrade) and the T-80 UD/T-84 sale - their chances of winning the Indian contract seem slim at best. That prospect has not quite dampened their spirits. Ukraine has also offered its latest laser beam riding 'combat' 125mm gun launched anti-tank missile to India. A derivative of the Russian Refleks, its heavier than the Russian round and is of similar configuration.
The Dark Horse: Then there is DRDO's Tank-Ex. More of a de novo development, rather than an upgrade - this project sees the Arjun's firepower and protection coupled with the T-72M1's low profile and agility. The Arjun's turret is integrated with the T-72M1's hull. The armour is the Kanchan and a 1000 hp power plant (an up rated 780 hp engine) is standard. An APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) is also provided. The Tank-Ex will also benefit from the Arjun-LAHAT integration. Two prototypes have been built and are to be demonstrated to the Indian Army this year. Once the trials are successful, some 300 tanks could be ordered. It has been suggested that T-72M1 hulls will be imported from Russia instead of utilising the existing T-72M1s in the Indian inventory. In that case, the Tank-Ex would be more of a new acquisition rather than part of Project Rhino.
Not Too Fast
Observers may note that the Indian Army's approach seems to be quite cautious, time intensive and somewhat limited in scope. Given sufficient funding, it seems puzzling as to why the Army is not upgrading all its T-72's at a rapid clip. There have already been considerable delays in Project Rhino to boot. The Indian economic crisis in the early 1990's saw modernisation funds dry up. In this clime, the only funds available to the Army were those for the Arjun- the DRDO had no separate budget of its own for the same. This sparked another round of time consuming debate, benefiting none, further delaying decision making and adversely impacting the Army-DRDO relationship to top it all off. Technical defects also added to the problems. HVF Avadi had primary responsibility for developing the upgraded power plant and took their own sweet time to develop the same. Even after technical defects were by and large overcome and the DRDO and the Army quickly evaluated the Drawa-T FCS and other components, the upgrade hung fire. A go slow approach was the order of the day and sundry excuses were trotted out. Earlier controversies - such as the one over the Bofors howitzer purchase were also cited as contributing factors. This as a 'quick decision' would have lead to accusations of corruption.
Such frivolity apart, the T-72 upgrade continued to be put on the backburner. The past delay has been inexcusable. Pakistan took the opportunity to beef up its armour force with T-80UDs/T-84s and continued to induct license manufactured Type 85-IIIs, eroding Indian armour superiority. China began a sustained modernisation campaign as well. On the other hand, India kept dragging its feet on re-equipping the Army. It took the Kargil War in 1999 to spark off a long overdue defence modernisation. Now, the situation has seen considerable change for the better (for instance - a fast track procurement mechanism to reduce, if not eliminate bureaucratic delay) and the Army can afford to hanker for the best deal. This is also because present inductions are adding sufficient 'punch' to Indian armoured formations. 310 T-90S tanks from Russia were ordered by the Indian Army and the induction is to be completed by 2005 (186 of the tanks are to be assembled at HVF Avadi). Thereafter, HVF Avadi will commence production of the T-90S at a rate of some 100 tanks per year. India's Defence Minister has noted that the T-90S will be the Indian Army's standard MBT and some 1000 tanks would be manufactured in India, beginning in 2006-07, apart from the present 310 tanks. Ultimately, the T-90S will make up 30% of India's tank fleet.
The Indian Army has also ordered 124 Arjun MBTs - India's own indigenous Main Battle Tank. This heavily armoured tank is to receive a further boost to its firepower - Israel's LAHAT. The T-90S fits in well with the logistical 'footprint' of the T-72M1 and is hence to be the standard MBT. At the same time, the Arjun design has come good and has won its supporters as well. But the present Army Chief General Nirmal Chander Vij, put it best when he said, "The T-90 and Arjun tanks will be our main battle tanks. Both are exceedingly good and we will like to depend on both of them." Given these inductions - both confirmed and planned - the Indian Army can afford to 'stagger' its T-72M1 upgrade. Both the T-90S and Arjun are deemed superior to the tanks Pakistan and China operate. Apart from these, low rate production of the T-72M1, has continued along the years. As a result, the Indian Army has now phased out the venerable Vijayanta MBT. The T-55 MBTs are still around but will be supplanted by the upgraded T-72M1s. The T-72M1 production will continue for another three years, as per General N C Vij.
The shortfall in overall numbers (thanks to the replacement of the Vijayantas and T-55s) are being made up by the production of the T-72M1 and the induction of the T-90S and Arjun tanks. Furthermore, after the fall of the Soviet Union, the Indian Army (Corps of EME, assorted base workshops) and its allied organisations (HVF Avadi, DRDO, private suppliers, et al.) made a huge effort to indigenise the T-72M1 spares production. They have had considerable success in the same and the Army feels confident about sustaining a huge T-72M1 fleet. The manufacturers have tied up with local industry to manufacture even those components which have proven hard to indigenise in the past - such as rubber items. With Project Rhino, the T-72M1 will be all set to serve the Indian Army well into this decade and the next.
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#214 dabrownguy
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Posted 11 April 2004 - 07:34 AM
When people like you think, its not important.
I think a soldier can run faster than the arjun!
#215 deltared075
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Posted 11 April 2004 - 08:34 AM
At least i think because i have brain! :(Blah
When people like you think, its not important.
and you not!
#216 dabrownguy
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Posted 11 April 2004 - 12:04 PM
Arjun 4, (Commander, Gunner, Loader & Driver).
I believe having a 4 man crew is certianly better than three since the work load is shared on the tank.
Combat Weight
Arjun 58,500 kg (58.5 tonnes).
T-90 46,500 kg.
Sometimes more wieght means more armor but I also know that the Turret is very large on the Arjun. My personal opinon is that from a look that Arjun has a more solid armor and a Turret that somewhat resembles the Leapord.
T-90 Powered by a 1,000 hp V-92S2 four-stroke V-12 diesel engine with a power-to-weight ratio of 21.5 hp/ton
Arjun 1400 hp German engine 23.93 hp/ton.
Fire Power.
When it comes to firepower there is no comparison between the two. Its common to know that the Arjun is easily superior in terms of fire power. But for those who don't know, i'll compare. The Arjun is armed with 120 mm rifled gun and the T-90s has a 125 smoothbore.The 2A46M smoothbore gun is stabilised (Zhasmin 2E42-4 system) in two axes and is fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without a need for dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire various ammunition including APFSDS-T (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot - Tracer), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes. In addition it can also fire a special HE-FRAG projectile that can be detonated over the target using the tank's fire-control system. Maximum rate of fire is at 7 rounds per minute. The gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks-M (NATO: AT-11 Sniper-B) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 75 to 5000 metres and takes 14.2 seconds to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5 km. Hit probability is over 80%. The missile system fires either the 9M119 (3UBK14 weapon system) or the 9M119M (3UBK20 weapon system) missiles which have semi-automatic laser beam riding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4 kg. The gun's automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.The panoramic sight enables the commander to effect an all-round surveillance on the battlefield without moving his eyes from the sight and without being disturbed by the motion of the turret. The field of view is stabilised with the help of a two-axis rate gyro mounted on the platform of the head mirror. The sight has dual magnification. The ballistic computer, computes the gun laying data based on information provided by a number of sensors mounted in the vehicle and on manual inputs and provides the signals corresponding to the tangent elevation and azimuth offset. To increase the accuracy of the firing, the fire control system has a coincidence window that allows firing of the main armament only when it reaches the desired position as dictated by the computer. The 120mm rifled gun will fire APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot), HESH (High-Explosive Squash Head), HE (High-Explosive), HEAT (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) and smoke rounds. A special 120mm anti-helicopter round is under development as well. All 120mm rounds use a semi combustible cartridge case. Easily the Arjun can dystroy almost all targets with the semicumbustable rounds. These rounds a specially designed for the Arjun so it will keep its range. Note that the Arjun can now fire LAHAT ATGM which are the first to do that by a rifled gun.
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4 crews mean the tank don't use autoloader!
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Al Khalid , the best.
Pakistan ARMY AND NATION IS PROUD OF HIS HOME MADE TANK. WHILE indians HAVE TRIED TO MADE THIER ONE BUT FAILED BECAUSE india ONLY KNOW TO SAy ( :(Blah :(Blah :(Blah :(Blah :(Blah ) NOT TO DO.and its a fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pakistan ZINDABAD :pkflg) :pkflg) :pkflg) :pkflg) :pkflg)
Men at their best Pakistan Army
As long as we hope tomarrow awaits
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A Look at Indian Army's Main Battle Tanks
New Delhi: A battle tank is a tank that fills the heavy direct fire role of many modern armies. They were originally conceived to replace the light, medium, heavy and super-heavy tanks.
Development was spurred onwards in the Cold War with the development of lightweight composite armor. Indian Army comprises of some of the best battle tanks, lets know bit about them.
Here is the list:
1. Arjun MBT Mk-1
The Arjun is a third generation main battle tank developed by Indias Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), for the Indian Army.
The Arjun features a 120 mm main rifled gun with indigenously developed APFSDS ammunition, one 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, and a 12.7 mm machine gun.
It is powered by a single MTU multi-fuel diesel engine rated at 1,400 hp, and can achieve a maximum speed of 70 km/h (43 mph) and a cross-country speed of 40 km/h (25 mph).
It has a four-man crew: commander, gunner, loader and driver. Automatic fire detection and suppression, and NBC protection systems are included.
All-round anti-tank warhead protection by the newly developed Kanchan armour is claimed to be much higher than available in comparable third generation tanks.
With a total of 248 to be built by Heavy Vehicles Factory. This to be followed by the Arjun MK-II and the FMBT.
2. T-90S Bhishma
The T-90 is a Russian third-generation main battle tank that is a modernisation of the T-72 (it was originally to be called the T-72BU, later renamed to T-90).
It is currently the most modern tank in service with the Russian Ground Forces and Naval Infantry. T-90 uses a 125mm 2A46 smoothbore tank gun, 1G46 gunner sights, a new engine, and thermal sights.
Standard protective measures include a blend of steel, composite armour, and Kontakt-5 explosive-reactive armor, laser warning receivers, Nakidka camouflage and the Shtora infrared ATGM jamming system.
The EMT-7 electromagnetic pulse (EMP) creator is used in testing but not fitted to T-90s in active service. It is designed and built by Uralvagonzavod, in Nizhny Tagil, Russia.
A contract, worth $800 million, was signed on October 26, 2006, for another 330 T-90M MBTs that were to be built with locally-sourced raw materials.
A third contract, worth $1.23 billion, was signed in December 2007 for 347 upgraded T-90Ms, the bulk of which will be licence-assembled built by Heavy Vehicles Factory.
The Indian Army would begin receiving its first T-90M main battle tank (MBT) in completely knocked-down condition from Russias Nizhny Tagil-based Uralvagonzavod JSC by the end of 2009.
In all, India plans to have 310 T-90S and 1,330 T-90M tanks in service by 2020 (total of 1,657 tanks by 2020).
Manufactured locally in India. Rs 10,000-crore purchase of 354 new T-90MS tanks for six tank regiments for the China border has been approved. This takes total no. of T-90 tanks to 2011.
3. T-72 Ajeya
The T-72 is a Soviet-designed main battle tank that entered production in 1971. It replaced the T-54/55 series as the workhorse of Soviet tank forces (while the T-64 and T-80 served as the Soviet high-technology tanks).
In front-line Russian service T-72 are being replaced by T-90, a modernized version of the T-72. While in the Ukraine T-72s are being replaced by the T-80 and T-84 MBTs. It has been exported and produced in many countries.
The T-54 and T-55 tanks were a series of main battle tanks designed in the Soviet Union. The first T-54 prototype appeared in March 1945, just as the Second World War ended.
The T-54/55 series eventually became the most-produced tank in history. Estimated production numbers for the series range from 86,000 to 100,000.
They were replaced by the T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 in the Soviet and Russian Armies, but remain in use by up to 50 other armies worldwide, some having received sophisticated retrofitting.
Up to 200 additional T-55s are kept in storage. T-55s were to be phased out in favour of T-90.Some T-55s may be converted into Tarmour AFV by Heavy Vehicles Factorys.
A Look at Indian Army's Main Battle Tanks
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Seriously dude, digging up a decade old thread!
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Yes, for consistency and continuity, as well as relevance to a thread as I could not find where to put the indian tank news. Rather than opening a new thread & wasting bandwidth.
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Sioux Falls Officials Look To Ease Traffic Congestion
It is known as the most studied intersection in the city of Sioux Falls. The location is 10th and Cleveland. Why is this spot so sore for drivers and the Public Works Department? It confounds mainly due to the other thoroughfares around it.
To the west of this junction, you have an interchange with I-229. A lot of cars come off at this place and get held up during peak traffic times. 10th Street itself gets a fair amount of traffic as one of the main arteries that move traffic in and out of downtown plus it is a gateway to the eastern part of the city.
Thus when cars are plentiful, it is nearly impossible to turn left on westbound 10th Street to go south on Cleveland. There is no green arrow signal that allows a free pass in front of the oncoming traffic. Drivers want that luxury at 10th and Cleveland, but they are not going to get it. Principal Traffic Engineer Heath Hoftiezer says multiple studies have shown that if a turn like that is allowed, traffic will become more congested on I-229. Due to the speeds on the controlled access highway, a line of cars on the shoulder would be a recipe for disaster.
Hoftiezer Says No Green Arrow At 10th & Cleveland:
One of the other snarls that has an easier fix is the Cliff Avenue/I-229/41st Street configuration. Hoftiezer says some minor adjustments can be made to the signal. The main reason for the congestion is that people that come off I-229 do not stay in their own lane when turning left to go south on Cliff Avenue. The next step is to mark the area for drivers to turn with a solid white line. If that doesn't help, the next step is to station an officer in that location to bust those who make an illegal lane change.
Hoftiezer Talks About Changes To Cliff Avenue/I-229/41st Street Combo:
Another upgrade that will take a major shift is 26th Street and I-229. The interchange itself could eventually be changed. Plus there is the issue of the Big Sioux River and the adjoining railroad tracks. There is still a study being done on this series of streets. Hoftiezer says most likely more findings will be released in the fall of 2013 or the spring of 2014.


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Russian Man Crashes Tank Into Grocery Store Then Steals A Bottle Of Wine
A Russian man is under arrest after he stole a tank, rammed it into the window of a grocery store, and stole a bottle of wine. The strange incident happened in Apatity, a small town just south of the Arctic Circle in Russia.
According to the The Guardian the man stole the armored vehicle from a nearby military driving school. He then drove the stolen tank through the woods before ending up in downtown Apatity.
The man ran into trouble when he reached the narrow streets of the town. Reuters reports he struggled to turn the vehicle around, crushing a car in the parking lot in the process, and then finally crashing it into the window of a convenience store.
As witnesses watched, the man, who appeared drunk, got out of the tank to inspect the damage he did. He then walked through the shattered window, grabbed a bottle of wine and left.
Police caught up with the man later and arrested him without incident.


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Okay guys, time for a little contest. Predict how many wins the Warriors will get during the regular season this year. As a tiebreaker, predict the leading scorer and then how many PPG they will average. Winner at the end of the season will get a small prize to be determined. You can only enter once (by posting in this thread) and I will lock the thread right before the first game begins. Good luck!
Official Rules:
Person closest to or gets regular season win total exactly right wins. In case of tie, tiebreakers are as follows:
1) Warriors player who has highest PPG
2) Closest to PPG total of player above
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Hanukkah comes quite a bit earlier than Christmas this year, so get ready to celebrate with dreidel playing, menorah lighting, and latke eating! We've rounded up some of the necessities for a fun Hanukkah celebration. Read on for Hanukkah dreidels, crayons, and even a little sweet treat that celebrates the spirit of the holiday and eco-friendly values!
Kids go crazy for LEGOs, and apparently so does Brick Shtick store owner Valerie Glaser. Her upcycled dreidels are made from LEGOs, then hand-stamped with the Hebrew letters used to play the traditional Hanukkah game. Each set of 6 comes in a bright array of colors and will have kids and adults giggling and dreaming about what next to build — an upcycled menorah perhaps?
+ Set of 6 Upcycled Dreidels $35.00
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Smiling Tree Toys has been a favorite of ours for some time (we love that they always make a donation to the Peace Corps with every purchase), and this set of three Hanukkah "ornaments" is no exception. Whether you make them into a hanging garland or dangle them in your window to celebrate the holidays, these keepsakes will remain with your family for years to come. Made from sustainably harvested wood from the United States and organically finished with local beeswax and camelina oil, the set includes a dreidel, a menorah, and a Star of David.
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Baby's first Hanukkah? Put a little holiday swing in baby's step or crawl with these soft-soled, handcrafted shoes from Kaya's Closet, another brand Tots has followed closely. Covered with Stars of David and menorahs, these sweet shoes are available in several sizes from 0 up to 24 months (check out all her holiday options, including several organic possibilities).
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These handcrafted dreidels from artisans in South Africa are beautiful and they actually spin! We love that they are Fair Trade and pretty enough to decorate the home (or come out for an impromptu out-of-season dreidel game) all year long.
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UPDATE: Learn more about Black and White Photography with our new Essential Guide to Black and White Photography.
As part of our series of posts on Black and White Photography the following tip on converting images from color to black and white was submitted by DPS reader – Frank Lazaro. You can see his photography at his Flickr page.
With the proliferation of digital photography, people have now started to look at ways to recreate what film has done for them, including recreating a black and white photo.
There are numerous ways to make a digital black and white, some include:
1. In camera filter – By changing a setting in the camera menu to take a black and white photo. Essentially this is a built-in color de-saturation method that removes the color information after the camera takes the picture. I won't be covering this method in this article.
Pros: Easy, simple and does not require any knowledge or post processing to create a black and white photo.
Cons: Limits the contrast and dynamic range of the photos. In my personal experience, leaves the photo looking washed out or flat.
2. Post Processing – There are various methods in creating a black and white in a post processing environment.
I'll cover several here. Please note, when I refer to Photoshop, I am using the generic term to mean using any photo editing tool with similar feature, such as Gimp or Photoshop Elements. There are also numerous plug-ins for Photoshop that will convert to Black and White as well. It is not possible; or rather I do not have the time to go over each one, so I will cover the ones that are the most popular in my opinion.
Using iPhoto or Google's Picasa or Photoshop Elements. With in several of these tools, and even in the professional Photoshop products, there are built-in black and white filters. The benefits to these are they make creating a black and white photo as simple as one click. Granted some of the filters work better than others, but for the most part do a decent job.
Pros: Simple one step process to create a black and white photo
Cons: Requires the purchase or installing of additional software. Quality is hit or miss
Using Photoshop. Even within Photoshop there are multiple ways to create a black and white photo. I'll only cover a handful of the popular methods, including my personal preferences.
To quick outline the methods, here is a quick list:
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The more popular way to convert a photo into black and white is using the Channel Mixer.
There is a common misconception though with this technique – the RGB percentages must equal 100%. The truth is they do not need to equal 100%, they can actually equal whatever you want them to be, since the main goal is to make sure the photo looks the way you want it to look.
When I have used this method before, I usually start with the following settings:
From there I adjust the settings until the photo looks the way I want it to.
How to convert using the Channel Mixer
First, open your photo and then add a Channel Mixer adjustment layer.
Select Monochrome and adjust the percentages for RGB. Again, I usually start with 70%, 30%, 5%.
Adjust the percentages until the photo looks good, don't worry about great, we'll get to that in a moment. You can also adjust the constant percentage to lighten or darken the photo. In this case I darkened the photo by setting the constant to -2%.
When done, click Ok
Now, duplicate that layer twice. If you flatten the photo, just drag the layer to the Create a New Layer Icon on the Layers window. If you prefer to not flatten, you'll need to duplicate both the above layers. The easiest way to do this is by selecting both the adjustment layer and the photo and dragging them to the Create a New Layer Icon on the Layers window.
Click on the one of the duplicated photo layers.
Change the Screen Mode to Color Burn and reduce the opacity to something between 5% and 15% (personal preference).
Click on the other duplicated layer
Change the Screen Mode to Soft Light and reduce the opacity to something between 5% and 30% (personal preference).
Now the Photo should have more depth and not look as flat. You can adjust each of these layers based on the photo of your personal taste.
One thing I find useful is at the end to add a contrast layer, this will darken the darks and lighten the white. This is optional step.
This process has become a personal favorite of mine. It is rather simple, but does require the use of a robust post-processing application, such as Photoshop CS.
Open the file you want to convert.
Convert to Lab Color by going to Image>Mode>Lab Color
From the channel window (if it is not open, go to Windows>Channels) and select the Lightness Channel.
Select all by either going to the menu Edit>Select All or Ctrl-A or Cmd-A and copy the selection either through the menu or Ctrl-C or Cmd-C. Then convert back to RGB Mode, go to the menu Mode>RGB.
Go back to the Channel Window and select the Red channel. Paste either through the menu or Ctrl-V or Cmd-V.
Select the Green Channel and paste either through the menu or Ctrl-V or Cmd-V.
Select the Blue Channel and paste either through the menu or Ctrl-V or Cmd-V.
Reselect the top channel to make all the color channels visible again and you are done.
If for you feel the photo looks flat, you can use the duplicate layer method mentioned above. Just duplicate the main layer twice and follow these steps above.
If the photo is too dark, add an Levels Adjustment layer and lighten the photo.
To lighten the photo, I adjusted the center value and increased it to 1.20. The original value was 1.0. Too darken the photo, decrease the center number. To lighten, increase the center number.
I don't use this method all that much, but it is a pretty simple process.
Open the file you want to convert and add an Adjust layer. Click on Gradient Map. On the Dialog box, click on the pull down menu and select Black and White. Click Ok and you are done.
This method, in my opinion, leaves the photo looking flat. This is another simple method. Open the file you want to convert and add an Adjust layer. Click on Hue/Saturation. On the Dialog box, decrease the saturation value to -100%. Click Ok and you are done.
There is absolutely no right way to convert a digital photo to black and white. I have barely touch the surface in terms of how to and what kinds of software allow you to create a black and white photo. There are numerous plug-ins, methods, applications etc not mentioned here – but no one way is perfect. In the end, do what looks and works best for you and your photos. Enjoy.
Now you've read this tutorial – give it a go and post your results in the Black and White assignment in our forums.
Also check out our previous Black and White Photography Tips.
Looks like links are broken for a while now.. Is no one maintaining these links?
Is there a way to do a batch conversion to B/W?
I was looking for a perfect tutorial which can really help me.. I will definitely use this trick to change from black n white to color
been playing around with black and white conversions myself :) these are made in lightroom
Does anyone know how to convert a black and white into a color? I took photos with my Canon digital SLR in black and white accidentally...
Sorry, but this tutorial is too complicated and confusing. For example when you talk about screen modes on two layers (colour burn and soft light) the images does not stay BW, it becomes colour image again. That is not what your images show. I gave up. Totally pointless tutorial.
heh...I just "updated" to CS4 (I've been using PS v.6.0 & PaintShop Pro 5 for years), and started playing around with raw images. Serves me right for living in the last century for too long...I now realize that "living in the past" has been actually hurting my work. Great site...will forever be in my bookmarks.
I've been using photoshop elements 7 to scan and print old black and white photos and the black and white photos are printing with a pink hue. I have tried setting the mode at 8 bits channel- grayscale as well as RGB colour and converted to black and white and it still seems to happen.
the image on my computer screen looks fine but when I print it, there is a pink hue which I dislike.
how can I correct this? Do I need to adjust my settings on my printer?
Another method via Photoshop
click on "Image", click on "Adjustments" and click on "Desaturate"
Photoshop: Click on "image", click on "mode", and click on "grayscale"
Are the links to pictures/screen caps broken?
While I'm new to photography, I'm no slouch when it comes to photoshop. If you want to leave some colour in the image, the best way would definitely involve the use of a masking layer.
Once you have achieved the b/w conversion by whatever method suits you best (don't forget the curve controls for fine tweaking!), you can simply drop the original colour image over the top of your b/w image in a new layer of its own.
Making sure you have the new 'colour layer' selected, you then need to add a layer mask
(Layer > Layer Mask > Hide All)
From there you can simply brush colour back into your image using a white brush with a hard or soft edge selection, dependant on how much precision is needed. The beauty of such a technique is that the process is 'non-destructive'. That is to say you can switch to a black brush to paint the colour back out - the image is always preserved, unlike the more crude method of erasing.
It's also worth noting that the layer mask is like a sub-layer nested in the colour layer. If you shift focus to another layer and then return to the colour layer to further edit the amount of colour present, make sure you have the mask selected and not the underlying colour image.
It's probably worth noting that layer masks can also be used to great effect when used in conjunction with adjustment layers (like Hue saturation) and channels. The scope of such things is almost without limit, but one thing is for sure, grasping layer masks will significantly boost your creative control.
Experiment and have fun!
Thanks for the help. I was able to make some pretty lousy color photos look okay in black and white. I used the "LAB Color Method" it was pretty easy. I have to say that I did get a bit confused at the end when you say
"If you feel the photo looks flat, you can use the duplicate layer method mentioned above. Just duplicate the main layer twice and follow these steps above." I didn't quite understand what you meant.
THis was a great resource. Thanks again.
This is very helpful tutorial thanks!!
Can I just say I absolutely love your tutorials! :) You're helping my photography come on leaps and bounds
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There is a website where you can simply convert your image from color to Black & white.
you can also create sketch and painting effect.
you can convert your color images to gray-scale one simply use this website:
it help you convert your images type to different type too
Excellent tutorial! Thank you.
I converted an image first using the Desaturate method, then using the Channel Mixer method and compared the two images side by side. The photo converted with the Channel Mixer method looks sooooo much better!
There is a website where you can simply convert your photo to painting or sketch with maintaining actual size t and that is totally free……
I think i'll try the channel mixer, i have not tried it yet but it think it will turn out great, thanks for the tip!
I've been using channel mixer. However, did NOT know the tip about adding depth. I am going to try it along with the other methods here. The old gray mare can learn new tricks. :)
One thing I do like to do with any converted photo is add back just a little of the color. Not all the time but it works for some.
One thing I might add is that there's a better way to add contrast: instead of using the contrasst ajustments directly, use an Unsharp with radius between 50 and 100 pixels (depending on the image size) and Amount between 0 and 15%, depending on the effect you want. It will selectively add contrast to the overall scene, making details pop out better.
How about cleaning out the spam? There are some interesting comments here, but it's difficult to read them through all the junk.
Why you need to copy the lightness channel to each RGB channel? where you could create a new layer and paste the lightness copy to it (after converting back to RGB) ?
This is a great tutorial and show just how hard it is to do post work on Tiff and Jpeg image files.
That's why I shoot everything in RAW format.
I have used Olympus cameras since the late 70s and with the digital age I still use Olympus.
The reason I say this is because of the awesome software that comes with Olympus dSLR cameras.
I know Canon, Nikon etc must have similar software that enables the user to work with RAW files.
Anyway for my example, I'm going to show what I do with ORF files which is an Olympus standard RAW file and transform it into a B&W image, it's just so easy I can fit it on this reply..
First I take the image in RAW color format.
Then I open Olympus master 2 which is their "free software" for editing and manipulating ORF files.
I then chose picture mode and select monochrome.
Now I have a basic B&W image.
Next I have the choice of B&W filters, tone corrections, gradation, brightness and contrast settings, picture tone and exposure settings, the list goes on and on.
It's like having a darkroom at your fingertips and more.
The feel of using this powerful software is like you're still there composing your B&W shot with a huge bag full of filters, and being able to change the settings on the camera, seeing the results instantly.
That's it, simple ehe?
What this article shows is how difficult it is to transform a color Jpeg image into B&W, it's not that easy and this article is excellent at explaining how to do it.
But if you had the choice, which would you rather do?
You can also take the B&W image to even more levels and make it take on the dynamics of all the little things that make different B&W film desirable for setting tones and mood, it's called HDR editing and because the image you just edited into B&W is still a RAW file, you can save several exposures and use HDR editing to get the image to take on tones from Pan-X, Tri-X etc, types of film, and it's not that time consuming to do.
What a great tutorial, I had previously thought this kind of graphic work would be next to impossible. Thanks for sharing...
Thanks for the tutorial... recorded it as a macro for use on a bunch of images, and it worked a treat.
The fastest way with best results is of course Gradient Map.
Since you mentioned Photoshop, Duo, Tri and Quadtone make much more creative b&w type photos.
Great article!
"The truth is they do not need to equal 100%, they can actually equal whatever you want them to be, since the main goal is to make sure the photo looks the way you want it to look. "
—This is fantastic to have read. I say this all the time, i.e. if the image looks the way you want it to, not much else matters.
>> How do you leave a pop of color in the picture….for example a bold pink shirt with the rest bw? <<
just found that piece of software on colorator.com that does just this. you can click on a color and everything except that color turns B/W. pretty cool.
Great step by step guide. Black and white pictures are so elegant. Thanks for a great tutorial.
PictureTheBatch can easily convert your images to Black & White or Sepia. And it also has many useful features.
Bingo. That's what I want to know.
Here's how I've been converting:
Change to Lab Color. With channel palette open, drag "Layer b" to trash (remaining channels change names to Alpha 1 and Alpha 2), drag "Layer Alpha 2" to trash. Change image mode to greyscale. Easy peasy.
Hi there,
My question is this. Do you enhance your color photo (levels, curves etc.) before converting to B&W or do you just take the color image "as is" and convert to B&W?
Thank you! Your step by step instructions were easy to follow and very helpful!
how to covert black & WHITE IMAGE INTO COLOR IMAGE WITH PHOTOSHOP
great tutorial. stupid comments below. i hate seeing a color shirt or whatever in a black+white image. it's not Schindler's List or something.
Where can i find a black and white filter? Photoshop Elements?
How can i convert a black and white image to a color image?
i have to tell you that i just tried a filter and it works great
Channel mixer and tweaking the curves is still king.
I also like the features on Photoshop CS3.
i need it in black n white
How can i convert a color image to a black and white image using visual basic programming?
A better way that I discovered through tutorials and playing around is the following. There are two ways to do it, depending on what you want to leave in color.
1.If you want to use your brush to "paint black and white around the image you want to LEAVE in color" use this one:
Have your full-color photo as the base layer (this can be the background image if you want). Duplicate the layer and add a vector mask to your duplicate.
VECTOR MASK: When your layers palette is open, below your layers you'll see an F in a circle (Add Layer Style) and to the right of that it's an icon with a circle inside a rectangle. THAT'S the vector mask.
Once your duplicate layer has a vector mask on it, go back to your background image that is full-color. Go to Image, Adjustments and Desaturate to take all the color away. Now click on the part of your duplicate image that is NOT the image itself (this is the vector mask). Take your paint brush, making sure the color is black, and when you paint it, it will take the color away.
BONUS: If you make a brush stroke that took away some color you meant to keep, change the brush's color to white and paint on that part to reverse it. That's the best feature of this one. If you make a bit of a mistake but don't realize until the end, you can fix it.
2.If you want the image to be black and white and to use your brush to "bring the color back" just follow all the same steps but make your duplicate image the desturated one instead of the background.
Photoshop CS3 has a nice new addition for controlling Color -> B/W photos. You can essentially do everything the channel mixer would do, but it is built right into the a new menu called "black and white."
cool blog!
One other way to leave a bit of color in... see if your camera can do it. My Canon A620 has 'my colors' mode, which lets you swap or accent colors. I've found it to be particularly fun while taking pictures of places like construction sites, where it helps really bring out the machinery. I've found it can quickly turn a boring shot into an interesting one.
The trick with the in-camera stuff seems to be finding a scene that isn't hugely colorful. If you tried to pick out just blue flowers at a botannical gardens for example, you might end up with the flower not blue enough, or the background getting some of the color in it, leaving everything washed with blue.
The easiest way to accomplish this is to make use of layers...
The original coloured image will be the base layer, while the black and white conversion is pasted as a new second layer...
Then simply erase the parts of the black & white layer away to reveal the coloured areas you want to see & highlight...
The finishes are upto you there after (opacity, feathering, etc)
i was wondering that to.
How do you leave a pop of color in the picture....for example a bold pink shirt with the rest bw?