text:
Recently Elected Freshmen officers: Betty Magnuson, Warren
Withrow, Jaci Clark, Galen Grant, Jim Peterson.
Volume XLI—No. 6
Bethel College and Seminary, St. Paul, Minn. Wednesday, November 3, 1965
Bethel Hosts Federal Career Day;
Peace Corps Representative Added
Eugene A. Nida, well-known linguist and
anthropologist, will speak on "Religion and
Communication" at Bethel College for a week
of convocations on November 8-12.
Monday evening at 7:30 Dr. Nida will pre-sent
a Monolingual Demonstration—how a per-son
learns a language when he and the native
informant have no language in common. The
demonstration, in the Fieldhouse, is open to
the public.
The linguistic group of the University of Min-nesota
and those of area colleges will meet with
Dr. Nida at a dinner Tuesday night on the Bethel
At a 6 o'clock dinner Wednesday night, language
students have the opportunity to discuss linguistics
with Dr. Nida. From 9:00 to 10:00 that evening, Dr.
Noted Linguist Eugene A. Nida
To Speak On Campus Next Week
Freshmen Wind Up Week's Campaign •
Warren Withrow Elected President
Final elections for freshman
class officers and representatives
to the student senate were held
Friday. The eight winners were
announced at the intermission of
the "Talk of the Town" program
on Saturday night.
Those who will lead the class
this year are as follows: president,
Warren Withrow; vice-president,
James Peterson; secretary, Jenni-fer
Nash; and treasurer, Valerie
Anderson. Speaking for the class
in the senate will be Jaci Clark,
Galen Grant, Barbara Kredit, and
Betty Magnuson.
The candidates had much to do
before the final elections. By
Monday, October 18, petitions
containing at least twenty-five
names had to be returned to the
senate office.
That entire week all of the
candidates poured all of their ef-fort
into campaigning. Signs and
posters appeared around the cam-pus
as they began to make them-selves
known to their peers. Octo-ber
22 marked the day of the pre-liminary
elections when the num-ber
of students running in the
finals was cut to sixteen.
The final week of campaigning
was hectic. The candidates and
their friends made more signs and
posters which appeared in the cof-fee
shop, the cafeteria, the post
office, and throughout the dormi-tories.
Many of those running for of-fice
chose a theme or nickname
Members of the Bethel College
debate squad recently traveled five
hundred miles to compete in a
debate tournament held at Western
Illinois University.
The results made the necessary
miles seem unimportant. With an
overall 15-5 record, Bethel debaters
won first place among 78 teams
representing 28 Mid-Western col-leges
and universities.
Bethel entered four teams; two
were undefeated. Shirley Arbore
and Corrine Leppke supported
the affirmative side of the reso-lution
and won five consecutive
debates from teams representing
Wisconsin State University at
Whitewater, Southern Illinois
Friday, November 12, at 8:00
p.m., the Bethel College Band
will present the Fifth Annual
Pops Concert in the Fieldhouse.
Admission will be fifty cents
and refreshments will be sold.
and carried it on all of their
devices of promotion. Campaign
tags were made. They were worn
by the students urging all fresh-men
to vote for a particular
favorite. Balloons hung f r o m
lights, ceilings, and doors. And
nicknames like "Boston," "Cal,"
and "Linus" were heard every-where
on campus.
Along with the campaign dis-plays,
the class also had an oppor-
Plans are rolling along for the
Federal Career Day program to
be held on Bethel's campus Novem-ber
Recently added to the list of
representatives is Mrs. Larry Ap-plebaum,
St. Paul Peace Corps
Activity Coordinator. Mrs. Apple-baum
has been appointed to work
University, Indiana State Univer-sity,
Memphis State and Parsons
The other Bethel team to go
undefeated, Ken Collins and David
Nydegger, was on the affirmative
side in wins over teams from
Northern Illinois University, Uni-versity
of Illinois at Chicago, Oli-vet
College, Wisconsin State Uni-versity
at Whitewater and Eastern
Illinois University.
A third team consisting of Tim
Williams and Paul Johnson finished
with a 4-1 record, winning over
Blackhawk College, William Jewell
College, University of Illinois at
Urbana and Eastern Illinois Uni-versity
while losing to two deba-ters
from the University of Detroit.
Bethel debaters, in compiling an
overall 15-5 record, had three more
total wins than the second place
school. For this impressive show-ing,
the debaters brought home a
certificate award and two trophies
now on display in the bookstore
tunity to meet the candidates at
the party caucus held the Monday
night previous to the final elec-tions.
In the fieldhouse, amid much
noise made by pans, guns, whistles,
voices, and among banners and
confetti the candidates officially
accepted their nominations made
by their campaign chairmen.
Sixty-five percent of the class
took part in the voting Friday in
the student lounge and elected
the officers for this school year.
with the public relations of the
Peace Corps.
She is a liason between the
Corps and community organiza-tions.
Her work involves schedul-ing
of return volunteers and hand-ling
press releases.
The work for this first annual
Federal Career Day is done through
the Inter-college Committee, com-posed
of representatives from all
of the Twin-City private colleges.
in linguistics, and
Baptist Seminary
Dr. Eugene Nida
Plans were finalized last Monday
when Mr. Gene Spika and Dean
MacKuen from Hamline were on
campus to confer with Mr. Eugene
Mr. Spika, the originator of the
program, is the St. Paul branch
manager of the U.S. Civil Service
Commission. Dean MacKuen is
working with the Student Senate
to coordinate the transportation
for the city-wide event.
an honorary D.D. from the Eastern
at Philadelphia.
He is a member of Phi Beta
Kappa, Pi Gamma Mu, and lin-guistic
societies throughout the
country. He served as an officer
on the Executive Board of the Lin-guistic
Society of America.
He is the associate editor of
Practical Anthropology, a journal
concerned primarily with the prac-tical
implications of anthropology
for the development of more effec-tive
world-wide Christianity.
Dr. Nida is also the author of
many books: Bible Translating,
1947; Morphology, 1949; Learning a
Foreign Language, 1950; God's
Word in Man's Language, 1952;
Customs and Cultures, 1954; and
Message and Missions, 1960.
Dr. Claude Stipe, now assistant
professor of anthropology at Bethel,
first came into contact with the
college through Dr. Nida. Stipe
describes him as one of the "most
dynamic" speakers he has heard.
Our concern with the presenta-tion
of the gospel in a relevant
form to the community and world
should involve us in Dr. Nida's
Mr. Stipe goes on to say, "Al-though
this is listed as a convo-cation
series, I expect it to have
as great a spiritual impact on our
campus as any series with a pri-marily
spiritual emphasis."
Committee Sets
Mission Goals
The Missions Project for this
year will emphasize foreign mis-sions.
The entire program has the
uniqueness of investing the stu-dents'
money in the Lord's work
through people rather than through
tangible projects.
Similar to the previous project,
the current one includes both
home and foreign missions. Stem-ming
from the fact that many
small conference churches are un-able
to adequately support their
pastors, $3,000 of the $15,000 goal
will be used to lighten the pastor's
financial burdens.
The initial $4,000 is designated
for the Student Missionary Pro-ject.
Last summer eight students
assisted missionaries from one
end of North America to the
Eight thousand dollars will be
set aside to transport appointed
conference missionaries to their
foreign field. Part of the $8,000
may be expended to clear up their
first year's expenses.
A goal of $15,000 among
1000 students is about $15 per
student. It is hoped that students
will give out of a response of love
for Christ rather than to see the
project goals met.
The 1964.1965 offering reports
show that $12,092 was pledged.
$11,290 was received from the
cont'd on page three
Nida will attend a question and answer period for all
students in the Edgren lounge.
Thursday night features a dinner meeting of the
combined faculties of the college and seminary. Dr.
Nida is also the speaker for the Bethel Seminary con-vocations
during the week of November 8-12. He will
be used as a speaker and resource person in various
class sessions of the week as well.
Dr. Eugene Nida is the Executive Secretary of
the Translation Department of the American Bible
Society. He has worked with mission boards all
over the world on translations and the most effec-tive
ways to communicate the gospel.
, He makes the final decision on the validity of any
translation for the American Bible Society.
Dr. Nida has a B.A. and M.A. in Greek, a Ph.D.,
Debaters Awarded First
In Mid-West Tourney
Pumpkin Cut-UpS are carved by sophomores Carol Pedersen and
Joyce Miller to recall younger days when they enjoyed"trick-or-treating,"
too. Several other images of the famous Great Pumpkin were seen
throughout the dormitories.
,Deadell 7,4ede 411111, AMP
Collegiate Chapel Needs
Collins and Butler On Pigeon Panel,
Wax Profound, Mutually Critical
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Wide r'W or s hpi 'o Cn cep t
the CLARION Wednesday, November 3, 1965
To the Editor:
Several comments need to be
made concerning the article on
chapel attendance which appeared
in the last issue of the CLARION.
I. Although Pastor Glenn was the
author of the original report, the
abbreviation which appeared in the
CLARION was not done by Mr.
Glenn as the by-line "by Pastor
Glenn" suggested. II. The abbrev-iated
report left out certain per-tinent
information with regard to
the decrease in attendance second
I quote from the full report:
"There are many reasons for this
decrease second semester: (1)
more students are involved in
practice teaching. No doubt this
number will increase through
the years; (2) choir tours, drama
tour, debate trips, etc. take stu-dents
away from the campus;
(3) more students are working
more hours in off-campus employ-ment
second semester as the Stu-dent
Data Sheets indicate for the
years 1961 through 1964; (4) there
is an increase in social activities."
It should be stressed here that
no accurate study has ever been
made at Bethel as to the number
of students during any given sem-ester
or part of a semester who
are available for chapel, or of the
various factors which cause stu-dents
to absent themselves. Such a
study needs to be made.
In the meantime, "any sug-gestions
to help solve the chapel
attendance problem will be wel-comed
by the Chapel Commit-tee."
Ill. The title of the article
"Daily Chapel Attendance Esti-mated;
Over Half of Student
Body Absent" is not accurate.
The figures show that over 50%
of the student body is present. To
be sure we should do better, but
this does not excuse inaccurate
Walter W. Wessel, Chairman
Chapel & Spiritual Life Committee
Attitude Is Key
To the Editor:
"It must be admitted however,
that the freedom granted under
our noncompulsory chapel system
is reaching the limits of tolera-tion."
Granted the truth of this
presupposition, and judging from
this year's attendance it is true,
what is to be done?
It is my opinion that the answer
lies in approaching the problem
by Dean Duenow
The Bethel Philosophy Club, in
seeking to critically relate philo-sophy
to the other academic dis-ciplines,
involved itself in an inter-departmental
discussion on Octo-ber
26, 1965, with the Bethel Psy-chology
James Keim, moderator of the
panel discussion, discursively in-troduced
the four dialecticians: Dr.
Collins and Bill Madsen of the Psy-chology
Club, Dr. Butler and Karl
Smith of the Philosophy Club.
John Larsen's recent article in
the CLARION, which pertained
to the Psychology Club's purpose
in purchasing ten pigeons, spark-ed
the ensuing disputation on
the current issue: How much do
pigeons really tell us about hu-man
Dr. Collins suggested that man
receives knowledge from both (1)
theological interpretation of scrip-ture
and (2) scientific understand-ing
of the world in which we live.
Psychology legitimately studies the
behavior of men and of animals.
This branch of science makes cer-tain
scientific observations and
then seeks to determine any re-lationship
between them.
The psychologist is not that con-cerned
with truth; rather his in-by
Jeff Loomis
Fighting with fists and pistols,
U.S. Marines killed 56 Viet Cong
soldiers who were part of a sur-prise
attack near Da Nang Satur-day.
Military sources are expecting
a buildup in fighting as a result of
a buildup of Viet Cong forces in
the area north of Saigon.
Prime Minister Harold Wilson,
after week-long conferences with
Rhodesian leaders, said the way is
open for agreement on the African
nation's status. A Royal Commis-sion
will be formed to determine
the extent of desire for indepen-dence
among Rhodesian citizens.
Key West
Fidel Castro halted the sailings
of small refugee boats from Cuba
positively. Any advertiser will tell
you that a satisfied customer is
the best advertisement. A good
product speaks for itself.
Chapel "skipping" cannot be
justified by discrediting chapel.
Certainly the students who do
attend chapel regularly are at-tending
out of more than habit.
However, these students are not
telling "skippers" how much they
missed. High quality chapels at-tract
attention and dialectic.
I find the idea of discipline be-cause
of non-attendance at chapel
to be the poorest solution. Chapel
can be a pleasure—the pleasure of
regularly meeting with God—or it
can be an obligation — a regular
meeting. If we cultivate conditions
conducive to the former we will
achieve the latter.
The blame for this situation
rests equally on all our should-ers.
Chapel meetings and speak-ers
need to be more carefully
We as students must do our part
by attending chap el regularly
enough to correct through construc-tive
criticism and positive sug-gestion.
Larry Houk
terest centers on the "yes" and
"no" in telling us of human be-havior.
However, Dr. Collins quali-fied
his remarks by stating that
there has been a tendency to ex-periment
the human out of psy-chology.
He also remarked that philo-sophers
tend to pass value judg-ments
on what we are doing and
add too many variables to this
kind of study.
Professor B. F. Skinner of Har-vard
in recent years utilized the
"Skinner Box" to experiment the
simple principles of learning on
pigeons. The pigeon as subject
learns to peck at a small disc. Such
responsive behavior is reinforced
with a reward (food). (At this point
in the discussion the caged pig-eon
affirmatively chirped.)
Teaching machines developed on
the basis of these same principles
of shaping desired behavior in the
animal. Dr. Collins remarked that
these simple principles of learning
by means of reinforced behavior
have been applied to human situa-tions
as a way of approaching
Thus, there exists three basic
purposes for the use of pigeons
in the Psychology Department:
(1) to supplement general read-this
week as plans were finalized
for an American airlift of those
who wanted to leave the island.
Rio de Janerio
Brazilian President Humberto
Castelto gave himself dictatorial
powers during the week. He abol-ished
all political parties and de-clared
that the federal government
has the power to intervene in indi-vidual
Brazilian states.
Johnson City
President Johnson announced
Saturday that the first new-style
quarters would be minted Monday.
The coins contain no silver and
have a copper-colored edge.
Governor Karl Rolvaag asked
Cyrus Magnusson, state insurance
comissioner, to resign after Mag-nusson
was indicted for fraud. He
angrily refused to hand in his res-ignation,
saying that he "was in-nocent
until proven guilty."
The divison of the college and
seminary libraries after sixteen
years of combined operations has
made necessary a new policy on
use of the two collections.
Resources of both libraries con-tinue
to be available to students
of both institutions. The new policy
is designed to provide inter-use
of the collections without lessen-ing
either library's usefulness to
its own students.
The basic rule for inter-use is
that books can be checked out
for a two week period, with a
limit of five books to a student,
and no renewals are allowed.
College students are encouraged
to use seminary materials in the
seminary library as far as possi-ble.
This is necessary for reference
works and periodicals since these
cannot be checked out in any case.
Other materials requiring brief
use should also be used in the sem-inary
Since the college and seminary
libraries grew in a closely coordi-ing,
(2) to demonstrate the prin-ciples
of learning, and (3) to
train students in the practical
techniques of psychological in-vestigation.
Dr. Butler's bent for philosophy
became apparent as he dialecti-cally
expressed the task of philo-sophy.
Philosophers essentially spe-cify
how man may interpret the
world. Philosophy involves itself
in clarification of terminology, pre-sentation
of methods and criteria
of correct thinking, and intellec-tion
of the universe.
The philosopher is also obligated
to reprobate and rectify the scien-tist
who may be dealing with fic-tion
and not with truth.
Dr. Butler ventilated his feel-ings
of restriction to pigeon
methodology and whimsically
considered that a slice of this
program (pigeon) near Thanks-giving
would be very fitting. He
admitted that some insights (gen-erally
physiological ones) may be
gained from the empirical study
of such simple organisms as
However, these helpful insights
are very limited and they have to
be taken into consideration of the
entire metaphysical system. T h e
empirical psychologist in trans-ferring
these animal insights to
human situations may tend to over-simplify
and use analogously his
applicable findings ("serviceable
fictions" built on a naturalistic hy-pothesis).
This connectional theory
hardly finds a place in the creative
scheme of reality.
The proper study of man is man,
not animals. Concepts of human
learning are very distinct from the
learning of animals. Man has the
capacity for free ideas and con-ceptual
organization. And man, not
animal, exists at the level of lan-guage
emergence. The complexities
of language cannot be machined.
With the consummation of dif-ferences
in thought from both
the panel members and the aud-ience
alike, inclusive reinforce-ment
was afforded the whole
group in the form of food (re-ward
for thoughtful human be-havior).
The final suggestion to continue
in dialectic indefinitely was pig-eonholed
by all pigeon-toed mem-bers.
nated manner, both developed a
reliance on the other in some
A special budget appropriation
is being utilized to strengthen areas
which suffered from the division.
the CLARION
Published weekly during the academic year,
except during vacation and examination
periods, by the students of Bethel college
and seminar y, St. Paul 1. Minn. Subscrip-tion
rate $3 per year.
Editor-in-Chief Bill Swenson
Assistant Editor John Halvorsen
Senate Columnist Bernard Johnson
Cultural Columnist Stan Olsen
Sports Columnist Jim Brand
Layout Staff Anita Palm,
Karen Bergstrom, Connie Jo Doud,
Dave Fredine, Jeff Loomis, Jackie
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Business Manager Gene Peterson
Adviser Wallace Nelson
Opinions expressed in the CLARION do not
necessarily reflect the position of the college
or seminary.
Last week's chapel article and Dr. Walter Wessel's wel-come
letter for the Chapel Committee raise a series of questions
on two central issues.
The first is simply quantitative, concerning how to get
more people to attend: What is a reasonable figure to expect?
What legitimate reasons are there for consistently missing
chapel on this campus? What is the value of publicizing at
least certain chapels in advance? What methods are valid to
"encourage" attendance at a "voluntary" daily chapel.
More interesting, perhaps, might be information on the
types of attendance patterns which develop under present
conditions. Does our large base of freshmen and sophomores
mean that more upperclassmen attend precentagewise than
underclassmen? WHICH upperclassmen? Are programming
likes and dislikes related to major fields of study? church
backgrounds? spiritual maturity? The need for systematic
research is clear.
The real problem, however. is a qualitative one: How to
increase the spiritual influence of the chapel service. This is
exactly the strain which the Chapel Committee correctly picks
up in its letter — normal, intelligent, concerned Christian
students don't "just . . . miss" a daily spiritual experience. It's
apparent that a good many people are finding the chapel hour
outranked each clay in their personal priority systems.
The purpose of a chapel service in an academic communi-ty
ought to at least incluae appeal to the same constructively
critical attitude we are expected to have in the classroom the
hour previous and the hour following. This means that some
college students will not appreciate a time of quiet, pietistic
escapism in which they are fed the same small, non-lumpy, half-spoonfuls
of pablum with which they have been fed for the
past fourteen to sixteen years.
The plea is not only for lumpy, whole spoonfuls, but for
Gerber's and Heinz' as well: more speakers who differ more
radically from Bethel's "position" — not only theologically,
but with some of the social ramifications commonly incor-porated
into the ideal we call the "Christian life."
What better place is there for spiritual shock treatment
than the Christian college campus? To criticize a man and his
interpretation of his message is not to rebel against our God!
Rather, it is the imperative of the educative process with which
we, presumably, are daily engaged here—forging out the begin-nings
of a value system which best takes into account our
various "worlds."
Now we've drifted further away from this modest goal
than we may realize. Witness the low, low attendance at convo-cations
and most special weeks programs, as well as the
student-faculty opinion split on, for instance, the Ethel Barrett-type
In fact, these suggestions may not raise chapel attendance
at all. And that may not be too important. Consistent appeal
to all members of the campus community is probably unrea-listic.
Strong and legitimate cases are made by conscientious
non-conformers for varieties of worship experience outside of
chapel or the futility of attending, out of a feeling of communal
obligation, a chapel service which may be emotionally, intellec-tually,
or spiritually unappealing.
And certainly the simplest reading of our Baptist heritage
guarantees the personal choices of such individuals. The plea
is for a dynamic spiritual experience for those who DO attend.
Letters to the Editor:
Committee Clarifies Attendance Figures
Library Explains Policy
Dr. Robert Berglund suspends a high note .. .
Letters to the Editor:
Frosh Refutes Accusation
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Bethel Choir Tours New England;
Presents Autumn Secular Concert
by John Halvorsen
Easter vacation will find the
Bethel College Choir eastbound.
This changes the originally sched-uled
plans of the choir to tour
the midwest, with Chicago and
Denver as the extremities.
The decision was made known
Friday by the Public Affairs Of-fice.
It rested primarily in the
fact that the east has been without
a major touring group for four
The tour, lasting approximately
three weeks, will include the
area from Washington D.C. to
Boston with concerts in Pennsyl-vania,
Ohio, Illinois, and Wis-consin
on the way out and back.
The choir is scheduled to per-form
in Orchestra Hall in Chi-cago
on the return trip.
November 22 the Bethel College
Choir will present free to the
public a concert in the college
The program is an attempt by
director Dr. Robert Berglund to
acquaint the music education ma-jors
with a variety of music that
can be used in secular, school sit-uations.
It will also provide the student
body with an opportunity to ap-preciate
music that could not be
presented in the concert tour.
The majority of concerts are pre-sented
in churches.
Sewell Concert
Friday Morning
This Friday Mr. and Mrs. Fred
Sewell will be presenting a sacred
concert in a special music convo-cation.
They will open their program
with "0 Saviour Hear Me" by
The second section will be from
a Bach cantata with Mrs. Sewell
singing an aria, a recitative, and
a chorale.
Mr. Sewell will then present a
sonata by Handel. The program
will close with "0 Lord Most
Both Mr. and Mrs. Sewell are
members of the Bach Society at
the University of Minnesota where
Mr. Sewell is Concert Master and
Mrs. Sewell sings in the Chamber
To the Editor:
Re Mr. Stovall's letter "Fie on
Dormant Frosh Spirit."
Mr. Stovall is cramping our
style. He has aptly expressed a
conservative view. To the veteran
scholar, every freshman class
brings with it an increasingly
lower level of degradation.
Upperclassmen who are expect-ing
water fights, I-beam buttressed
homecoming structures, and "spir-it"
(in the sense that Mr. Stovall
used it) may be in for a shock.
The freshmen would ask this,
that you let us choose our own
behavior patterns, and judge us
accordingly. In any case, do not
be so presumptuous as to impose
your "decrepit" ones on us.
Miniver Cheevy was a great guy,
he just found himself in the
wrong generation.
Jonathan P. Larson
(indubitably a freshman)
`Cynic' Amends
To the Editor:
The wording of the Senate Cynic
article last week easily could be
interpreted to mean that Senate
had appointed a new Social Chair-woman.
This certainly is not the
case. The motion proposed was that
the Social Committee appoint a
person to organize the Friday night
dress dinners.
My apologies, Nancy Jo. Anyone
who is spending as much time and
energy as you do on such enjoyable
programs as "The Talk of the
Town" deserves appreciation and
thanks, not dismissal.
Kathy Harvie
Ed. Note : Bill Madsen is the
elected president of the Bethel
College Student Association.
by Bill Madsen
Some have said the Student Sen-ate
is like the new talking Hum-phrey
doll—you wind it up and it
sits there talking for ten years
and does nothing. And though the
Senate does a lot of talking, the
analogy breaks down at the point
of action.
The question that basically fol-lows,
"On what sort of issues does
the Senate take action?", can be
answered in two ways. 1) By list-ing
specific action already taken;
Mission Goals
cont'd from page one
college student body. Much of
the giving was in response to
Mrs. Pierce's matching gift. A
total of $18,920 was received
from the college and seminary.
This includes Mrs. Pierce's gift.
All funds over the $3,000 set
aside for the Student Mission Pro-ject
was used to build a world
missions room in the new seminary
Wednesday, November 3, 1965
2) By pointing to its prompting to
The first answer can be found
in interpreted form in the Sen-ate
minutes posted at various
points on campus. The second
answer is simply, "Upon what-ever
issue students make known
that action is desired." This an-swer
points to the basis of ef-fective
s t u d e n t government,
namely communication with the
student body at large.
It is the Senate's responsibility
to make known to the student
body what it is doing. New efforts
in this area include the series of
articles of which this is a part
and the institution of a program
the CLARION Page 3
to publish for all students an out-line
form of the Senate minutes.
But the most important aspect
of communication here, that which
prompts Senate action, is from
the student body to the Senate. In
past years it has been a rare occa-sion
that anyone other than a Sen-ate
member has attended a meet-ing.
This year has seen the begin-nings
of a reversal of this trend
in the form of the handful of
non-Senators who have attended
each meeting. This is a small,
yet significant, step towards a
more efficient student govern-ment;
succeeding steps will come
as more students turn out.
Senate meets at 9:00 Monday
nights in the student lounge in the
lower level of the college building.
I walk with trepidation now, to the edge of my patient paper,
My ink having melted lugubriously across its pristine whiteness—
Glad for the flicker of sensibility I have yet to produce.
And bravely I wash it clean of recognizable form; dancing madly
Around my mis-juxtaposed metaphors, I leave to other more nimble
Minds the task of decoding my sanguinary syllables.
Uncoiling from my pen, scratch on, then
Like a mystic chicken—
A denouement, indeed—
As my verbiage tramples pitilessly
Through the gift of ordered prose.
A ball-point written tragedy, dredged from the depths of
Form's and meaning's grave.
My exit is secured finally by some hidden genius—Lord bless all
hidden geniuses.
My reason turns before me to a crashing end
And I am hung up in the cul-de-sac of tortured self-expression.
Everyone cares about the personal lofty lonliness of the Intellectual;
Why should such a one be subject to the discipline of having to mean?
Oh Poetry, let us play philosophical pattycake!
Oh Philosophy, soothe me for not being able to splatter my frustrations
On canvas—(having no penknife to take up whittling, I take my pen
To knife writing!)
Oh Life, Life, Life: would that I could make the Definitive Statement
About you!
I reach once more for my hidden erector set and shoot the ancient art
Of communication in the back, then turn satisfiedly again toward my
Cluttered creativity.
There is no persecuting modicum of meaning here,
But only the image of that Great Anti-Poet in the Sky.
—R. Dylan Hardyquist
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by Stan Olsen
Art in Minneapolis has achieved a new dimension of superiority
with the current showing at the Walker Art Gallery. Marcel Duchamp is
showing what has been said to be the most comprehensive survey of
his work ever to tour the United States.
From November 1 to 21 the showing, Not Seen and/or Less Seen,
a collection of the Mary Sisler Collection of drawings, paintings, docu-ments
and readymades of Duchamp. Also in the Walker Gallery is an
exhibit of Katherine Nash of her recent sculptures.
Robert Motherwell is currently showing an exhibit of collages,
drawings and oils at the University of Minnesota Gallery at Northrup
Auditorium. The Minneapolis Institute of Arts has a showing, THE
HISTORY OF WOODCUT, a chronological survey including works
by Durer, Kirschner, Munch and Beckman.
Friday evening the Minneapolis Symphony presents Mstislav Ros-tropovich,
violincellist at 8:30 p.m. in concert with the Symphony. The
program consists of a Haydn Symphony in D Major, No. 101, a Shosta-kovitch
Concerto for Violincello and Orchestra, Opus 107, and a Dvorak
Concerto for Violincello and Orchestra in B Minor.
November 9, at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts a concert of
Baroque and contemporary music will be presented. The Helsinki Chorus
and Orchestra features the American premier of the Rubaiyat at Nor-thrup
Auditorium as part of the Artists Series. November 10 is the date
with concertime at 8:30 p.m.
November 11, The Roger Wagner Choral is proudly presented by
the Schubert Club of St. Paul. Bethel students with bus tickets should
meet in front of Bodien Dormitory 45 minutes before concertime.
Advocates of the precise art of drama have acclaimed the current
presentation at the Eastgate Theatre of St. Paul a triumph of saterical
comedy. Why Are You Taking Pictures of Me Through Your Nose? has
a curtain time of 8:30 p.m. Tickets are available at the Eastgate Theatre.
Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing holds the featured slot at
the University of Minnesota Theatre at Scott Hall on the Minneapolis
Campus. This play runs through November 4-6 and 9-14. Tickets may be
purchased at the Scott Hall Box Office.
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Don Land scampers for a Bethel touchdown in Saturday's 38-7 win over Jamestown College.
Royals Ro p Over Jamestown
In Last Home Outing of Season
Have you ever wondered if football really makes any sense? I mean,
one player weighed down by 15-20 pounds of equipment, takes an egg-shaped
leather ball from another and runs until one or six other goons
jump on him, gouge him, shoulder him, and elbow him enough to stop
him. Then everyone groans, rolls over, licks his wounds, and gets
ready to do it again. Sounds pretty silly doesn't it? It's almost like
hitting your head against a wall.
Beyond the external facts of football, however, are some values. It
is my personal opinion that sometimes too much is claimed for the value
of football or any athletic endeavor. The discipline a player receives
on the field does not necessarily mean the same discipline results in
the classroom or in other situations. However, football does have some
One value is body conditioning. Physical well being is an important
part of life. Recent study in psychology seems to indicate the neces-sity
of the coordinated functioning of the "whole man." The physical
is a part of this functioning whole.
Another value is the learning of physical confidence. It's difficult
to explain, but over a period of time one learns that his physical body,
can take a lot more strain than he thought. This becomes a source of
physical confidence and courage. Although, as I indicated above, it
should not be overworked, discipline is another value. It takes dis-cipline
to go to practice every day.
Football has value as an agressive outlet. People, Christian people
included, vary in agressiveness. An activity where one is socially expected
to hit another as hard as he can is a source of relief to the highly
The experience one gets of working under pressure is valuable.
No one really enjoys pressure, but the need to think and act under it,
can pop up any time in anyone's life. One does not always act entirely
rational under pressure. Game situations give limited, valuable ex-perience
in performing under strain.
There is also the value of enjoying yourself. There is a thrill one
feels when he has made the right play and knows it.
Finally, at Bethel a value is Christian fellowship and witness. One
can make good, real friendships at Bethel. Many of those made on the
football team are lasting.
As a Christian social experience Bethel football is great. Although
the true extent of it is hard to measure, spiritual witness is also a
value of Bethel football. One hopes that his life, football included,
speaks for Christ.
The Bethel Royals football team
made its last homestand of the
season on Saturday against James-town
College, and emerged the
victor 38-7.
Utilizing a wide open winning
game, a "race-horse" type foot-ball
and the talents of junior
quarterback Bob Nolin, the Royals
caught the Jamestown lads un-aware,
scoring three quick touch-downs
early in the first period.
Barnett Cox started the Royal
attack as he slammed off tackle
for a short gainer. On the second
play of the game, Nolin rolled
right in an option, eluded two
Jamestown tacklers and sped 60
yards for the first Royal tally.
The extra point attempt by Larry
Peterson was wide.
On the kickoff to Jamestown,
the Royals left side of the line
smacked the ball carrier loosing
the ball and John Carmean recov-ered
the fumble.
On the first play from scrim-,
mage, Cox lugged the ball 40 yards
downfield before being tripped up
on the 1 yard line. The Royals were
Intramural football, in its sixth
week, was as rough as ever. The
standings did not change signifi-cantly,
and the promise of a tight
race is a certainty.
The Dukes dropped the Peasants
into third place as they converted
two first half interceptions into
scores. The Peasants fought hard,
but were unable to stop the deter-mined
Dukes, who won by the
score of 19-7.
The Jesters stayed in the run-ning
by defeating the Knights 7-0.
stopped in a dive by Dave Moss
and a rollout pass from Nolin to
On third down and goal, Nolin
faked to Moss on an off-tackle
dive and scampered out wide for
the touchdown, but the refer-ees
had blown the ball dead on
Moss's shifty fake.
With fourth down and inches to
go, Nolin sneaked the ball over
for the second Bethel tally. The
point after touchdown by Peterson
was blocked.
The next big Royal drive was
launched with a swing pass to
Don Land, good for 60 yards. Nolin
faded back and hit Carmean on a
sideline pattern, then on the 2
yard Royal line, again fired to
Peterson for the tally.
The point after touchdown by
a converted lineman, Mike Ry-kiewich,
was short. Jamestown,
after a sustained drive in the
second period, scored on a roll-out
play with the quarterback
The third period saw the Royals
utilizing the talents of senior half-
The pass combination of Austin to
Dykstra was all that the Jesters
The Seminary outscored t h e
short-handed Counts 13-0, to stay
in the race with a 4-1 record.
The Squires, enjoying a rest,
stayed on top with an unblemished
5-0 record. The Jesters and Semi-nary
are close behind, however,
with identical 4-1 records.
back Land. Playing his last home
game of his college career, Land
took the hand-off from Nolin and
scampered 40 yards, using a bro-ken-
field winning style.
With first-end goal on the three,
Nolin pitched wide to Land for
the touchdown, making the score
The last Royal tally was set up
by the reserve squad quarterback,
Bill England, Dave Huntley, Jim
Heide, Forrest Thorne, Wayne
Wilson, and Dave Pearson. Heide
scored the touchdown and the extra
point attempt was wide. This time
fullback Rykiewich swivel-hipped
his way across for the point after
Last Thursday night the cross-country
team took four out of the
first five places to take its third
victory of the season, 21-38.
It was the second victory of the
year over St. Paul Bible. Stated
one of the runners, "We thrashed
'em severely."
St. Paul Bible took only two
places of the first eight. Dick
Olson, Bob Chryst, Leon Ander-son,
Jim Erickson, Ron Stone,
Rough Football Continues
In Tight Intramural Race
and Norm Kern finished first,
third, fourth, fifth, seventh, and
eighth respectively.
Olson's winning time for the 3.8
mile course was 19 minutes, forty-two
seconds. Third place Chryst
came in at 28 minutes,28 seconds.
The race was run over the famil-liar
home course at Como Park in
moderately cool weather — cold
enough for them to wear socks on
their hands, but not cold enough
for stocking caps or knee socks.
Hurting Bethel's efforts h a s
been the continuing absence of
freshman Steve Roe. He was run-ning
as fourth man until slight-ly
over four weeks ago when he
pulled a leg muscle.
Coach Gene Glader commented
on the meet, "It's good to run
against someone whose program
is just developing, as ours is, and
it's especially good to win."
Bethel Harriers Clinch Third Meet;
Take Four Out of First Five Places
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WESTMINSTER, Md. – There will be a few uncertainties when the McDaniel men's and women's swimming teams open their seasons at Swarthmore on Saturday.
One of those is a new chief mentor with Jeff Hiestand taking over the reins. Hiestand is no stranger to the program, spending the last nine after nine years as an assistant on the staff of Kim Easterday, who retired after 33 seasons at the helm.
Hiestand also returns a handful of key members from 2009-10 led by Rachel Walega (Ambler, Pa./Wissachickon) – a two-time Centennial Conference champion in the 100 breaststroke.
The first-year head man's first recruiting class bolstered both rosters to add depth in hopes of building a Green Terror program that will be able to compete for a conference championship. The men's team opens the year with 12 swimmers while the women's team opens with a 14-person roster – both increases over the last few seasons.
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BBCPFC's Hardcore Mode Necromancer Guide
This is best viewed with your eyes, in 1024x768 mode.
Table of Contents
0. Before starting
1. What is hardcore mode, and how to get it.
2. Why a necromancer in hardcore mode?
3. Skills to focuse in
4. Other tricks.
5. Act 1 Walkthrough
6. The Rest
0. Before starting
Before you start, I should tell you that I play single player, with 1.00. This patch has the necro
at it's best. I suggest you don't play in multiplayer, because of the lag.
1.1 What is hardcore mode?
Hardcore mode is a very special way to play the game. You play like usual, except that this time
you can't die. If you die, that's it. Game over. It's mortal you versus hundreds of hell's minions.
It is very fun and exciting, despite what it seems to be.
1.2 How to get hardcore mode.
To get hardcore mode, beat the game in normal mode (that is pretty easy). I suggest you do it with
a necromancer, to familiarize yourself with the necro's style of play.Next, create a character
(obviously, a necromancer, because you're reading this necromancer-related text). When you name it,
look below the name and you will see something like this
|¯| Hardcore
Checking that box will make your character a hardcore character. The game will tell you that it can
only live once, etc...
2. Why a necromancer in hardcore mode?
Because of the minions. A necro shouldn't have to fight, except in early act 1. A Barbarian would
be a bad choice for a hardcore character, because he does all the fighting. If you know someone who
started a hardcore barbarian/paladin, wish them good luck. Tell them I wish them good luck too.
3. Skills to focuse in
This depends on a few things. The most important being, will you play your hardcore necro in
nightmare or hell difficulties? If yes, look at the "Power Play Necro". If not, look at the "Normal
Necro". I suggest you read both. Usually, you'll want to end up with something in between.
3.1 Power Play Necro
This is the most fun necro. It's very hard early on, but it pays off later on.
Amplify Damage: You want 1 point in this. More points are a waste. (You'll see later why.)
Iron Maiden: You will want to max this out after you've maxed out your main attack. (see later for
main attack)
All other curses are not needed.
Teeth: 1 point (it is a prerequisite for good skills.)
Corpse Explosion: THE killer spell. More points in this means more radius, but you really need more
than those 2 yards you start with. You will eventually want to max this after
you've maxed iron maiden, but until that, 5-7 points in it will do it. Use a wand
to try it with more points.
Poison Dagger: Fun for a melee necro, but this is a hardcore necro. Don't waste a single point here.
Poison Explosion: A worse corpse explosion. I don't like it.
Poison Nova: Never tried it. A friend who has tells me that he always starts fights with it, and it
helps a lot. Maybe if you got 3 points to waste you'll want to try this. But not early on.
Bone Armor: You want 1 point in this, it is very good early on but it takes too many points to make
it become good later on.
Bone Wall/Prison: I've never tried those, I don't really need them.
Bone Spear: This OR Bone Spirit will be your main attack. Don't get both, get one of them.
Bone Spirit: This OR Bone Spear will be your main attack. Don't get both, get one of them. This is
my favorite weapon. Later on, I will cover Bone Spear vs Bone Spirit.
Raise Skeletal Warrior: 1 point in this. More points allow more warriors. This is a joke after act 2
Raise Skeletal Mage: 1-5 points in this. More points allow more mages. I don't really like these,
because iron maiden and bone spear/spirit are your main attacks.
Revive: 8-12 points in this. More points allow more revives. This is a very good summoning spell,
but Reviveds are *VERY* dumb. They are slow, and WILL get stuck in the outdoors of act 1.
8-12 points should do it, because hardly more than 10 revives can follow you around without
getting stuck.
Skeleton Mastery: This is ok.. It makes skeletal warriors, skeletal mages, and revives (later on)
more powerful, but do you really need your skeletal warriors to be more powerful?
You will only be using them for the first 2 acts. Your skeletal mages don't need
to get stronger, they are ranged attackers. As for revives, putting more points
into it is better, because each point in revive means an additional 20% life
(versus 7% in skeleton mastery), and 1 more revive.
Clay Golem: OK golem for level 6-18. More points make it stronger, but you will only be using this
for act 1 and early act 2. 1 point in it.
Blood Golem: THE golem. It works EXTREMELY good with iron maiden, because the monsters kill
themselves hitting the golem, while the golem absorbs life from them. What most people
don't know/understand about this golem is that it steals 31% of the TOTAL of the
monster's life. It doesn't steal 31% of what it does. Monsters with Iron Maiden will
be stunned after attacking, this is when your golem can attack them. This golem just
doesn't die, except vs act bosses. 1 point in this.
Iron Golem: This golem has the possibility to get good after 2 points in it, but why waste 2
points while iron maiden does the same thing, starts out stronger, and only gets
stronger? I don't like this golem. 1 point if you want fire golem.
Fire Golem: Better than Iron Golem, but not as good as blood golem. This one can die, unless it
finds some kind of fire to heal itself. I prefer the blood golem. 1 point in this if
you want it.
Golem Mastery: The reason why all golems only get 1 point. This skill will make ALL of them get
tougher and faster. You will want 5 points in this in normal, but you can slowly add
more later on, if you see that your golem is dying too fast (usually not a problem
with blood golem).
Summon Resist: This is pretty good in the river of flame or the chaos sanctuary. 3-5 points in this.
3.2 Normal Necro
This is a necro that lives for today instead of saving for tomorrow. This is good for hardcore mode.
Amplify Damage: 1 point
Iron Maiden: 1-5 point
All other curses are not needed.
Teeth: 1
Corpse Explosion: 3
Poison dagger, explosion and nova: 0
Bone Armor: 5
Bone Wall & Prison: 0
Bone Spear: x
Bone Spirit: x (later you will see why i said 'x')
Raise Skeletal Warrior: 3
Skeleton Mastery: 5
Skeletal Mage: 3
Clay Golem: 1
Golem Mastery: 2-3
Blood Golem: 1
Iron Golem: 1
Fire Golem: 1
Revive: 3-5
Summon Resist: 0
3.3 Bone Spear vs Bone Spirit
Bone Spear:
Goes through ennemies
Less damage
Less mana cost
Faster cast rate
Bone Spirit:
TARGETS ennemy
Much more damage
Higher mana cost
Slower cast rate
If you are mostly a 'live for today' necro, get bone spear.
If you are a Power Play necro, 1 point in bone spear and then max bone spirit when you reach level
Being a PowerPlay Necro, I prefer bone spirit for it's higher damage and it's ability to lock on
Bone Spear starts out with 16-24 damage, and each point adds 8-8 damage. So a level 2 bone spear
does 24-32.
Bone Spirit starts out with 20-30 damage, and ech point adds 16-16 damage. So a level 2 bone spirit
does 36-46.
Bone spirit is THE skill to max out when you reach level 30. Each POINTS YOU SAVED UP/QUEST POINTS
go in revive, until it reaches the level you want (usually, something near 8-12). After bone spirit
is maxed, max out Iron Maiden.
4. Other Tricks
If a unique monster is giving your minions trouble early on, potions are your best friends. Not
potions such as mana, healing or rejuveneration potions, but potions such as fulminating potion,
rancid gas potions, etc.. Only use those if the monster is cold/fire enchanted. I once lost a necro
due to a cold enchanted monster dying and casting frost nova on me. Value poison potions over
explosive potions, because they do more damage.
Always start a fight by casting iron maiden on the monsters.
Your golem is not there to deal the damage, it's there for monsters to beat themselves up on it.
Don't spit against the wind.
5. Act 1 Walkthrough
Coming soon..
6. The Rest
Coming soon...
For now, you can email me at email@example.com
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Poor Mistake Management: 3 Model Lessons
May 29, 2014 12:02 PM PT
I am a nerd with a goofy hobby -- I build plastic model airplanes. However, that hobby affords me a view of customer relationship issues in an interesting and intimate way. Most of the time, the vendors in this space get things right, realizing theirs is a niche industry and their customers really are in charge, especially since all spending in this sector is discretionary.
When someone screws up, it's spectacular -- and educational. Right now, there's an example of that playing out in the form of Czech manufacturer Eduard's new model of the Messerschmitt Bf 109G.
The Bf 109, a World War II fighter, has been kitted hundreds of time. Enthusiasts pore over each kit and identify errors, even minuscule ones, and today can share them on social media. In advance of Eduard's release of its Bf 109, the company talked up its coming product as the most accurate Bf 109 ever -- and, to be fair, the company has a track record of excellent products.
The problem with its Bf 109 seems to be one of simple math. While it's billed as a 1:48 scale kit, a standard scale for airplane models, the Eduard kit measures out at 1:45 or so. An error of roughly 4 percent may seem like a small difference -- but it's enough to make the model noticeably larger than other kits of the same subject.
There are three immediate, clear lessons to be learned from Eduard's response to hobbyists' reactions to the model.
1. Avoid Premature Hubris
It's good to be proud of your products, and it's important to your business to turn that pride into good marketing. However, it's dangerous to be proud of products you haven't actually produced yet.
The marketing campaign for this model started in January 2013, and CEO Vladimir Sulc was effusive about how great the model would be.
"There are no true (Bf 109)Gs or Fs on the market, really, and those that claim to be are more than showing their age or are slashed and dismembered beyond reason," he wrote in 2013. Over the course of a series of online chats, he talked up the kit and emphasized its accuracy.
The lesson: Don't set expectations you can't meet. It's one thing to promote a product you've seen -- it's another to tout something you haven't seen yet. That puts your employees on the spot: To back you up, they must be perfect. If they aren't perfect, your words will return to haunt you.
2. Admit Your Mistakes
Once the model came out, modelers started to howl about its size. Eduard stuck to its guns and insisted it was accurate, posting on numerous hobby boards. What's wrong here is that this is a math problem, not a subjective judgment issue. If you know the size of the real item, simple division gives you the dimensions of the miniature version.
However, Eduard's tactic was to deny and denigrate critics -- "many of these faults are actually [not] faults, but just subjective points of [view] ... lead by the hyperventilators," the company wrote in a chat.
The lesson: When you make a mistake -- one that your customers can identify easily -- own up to it. Explain how you plan to fix it -- or if you're not going to fix it, say that, too, and promise to do better next time. Sincerity goes a long way. For heaven's sake, don't deny the problem or take shots at the people who spot it.
3. Don't Make Feeble Excuses
After a month of getting pounded in social media, Eduard doubled down last weekend in a Facebook post that claimed that the dimensional problem was due to the size of the Bf 109G being "chaotically recorded" as Nazi Germany collapsed.
The problem with this is that the airplane in question first flew in 1936, meaning there was a nine-year span to record the dimensions. Also, we're talking about the Germans here: Nothing was "chaotically recorded." After a fresh round of flagellation, the post was edited.
The lesson: Don't fool yourself into thinking you can control your customers' reality. Making up an excuse based on history and then foisting it on people who are history buffs is a bad idea. Essentially, you're counting on your customers being dumb.
Here's a secret: They're not dumb, and they can tell when you're treating them like they're dumb. In the era of social media, this is extremely dangerous.
The molds for a kit like this are very expensive, and Eduard's mathematical mistake puts it in a bad position financially. That's why the company is so desperate to make discussion of its errors go away. Yet if it hopes to overcome this setback, it's going to need to bring its customers with it to its future projects. That means loyalty.
Naysaying customers and making things up to justify mistakes now is a great way to wreck a brand's future.


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ergo Posts: 56Stave,
Thanks SO MUCH!
It's well hidden in the "Mercedes Benz related" section folks. Perhaps one day it can jump onto the legitimate model page! Like Honda's upcoming Fit. :surprise:
FYI: The only active "Owners" disussion I've found was on the M-B owners mbnz.org website FWIW. Once the media blitz starts hopfully it'll get more active!
tjqp3 Posts: 1Hello all, I'm new and am hoping someone could answer my G q's. Here goes, so is MB going to continue shipment to the US for 2006 if so till when? Also did the G looks it solid axles? Lastly for all 2002 and newer G500 owners I'd like to know what problems if any you've experienced major or minor. Thanks to all that help!0
"The GL-Class was once intended to replace the comparatively ancient and crude G-Class (a.k.a. Gelaendewagen), but Mercedes found enough of a following for the military-spec box on wheels that it will continue to produce the G in small numbers."
Not sure what that translates to in US sales.
First Drive: 2007 Mercedes-Benz GL450 (Inside Line)
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Mercedes-Benz Gelandewagen will remain until 2010 (Straightline)
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jeepcreeper Posts: 18There is one black G-Class that prowls the streets where I live, and it is a scene stealer whenever it goes by.0
If you'd like to see a few shots of the G-Class assembly line in Graz, Austria, check out this link:
I also have a very nice 18-19 minute commercially made DVD Video of the assembly line and the test track on Schöckl Mountain, which I can duplicate.0
I bought a 2005 G-500 new in November - I was told it was the last year they would make it so I thought it would be cool to own one. I have loved having it even though people have said it is ugly - I don't care - I like it but I have been having a problem that Mercedes can't seem to fix - I want to know if anyone else has had this problem - there is an annoying creaking noise in the back right corner - they thought it was the tire holder on the back of the car or the latch on the back but it wasn't -they fixed it temporarily but the creak is coming back and driving me crazy - has anyone else had this problem?0
Please let me know if you hear a creaking noise in the back of your G500 - I have had mine for 7 months and love it but have an annoying creak that they can't seem to figure out. Thanks.0
Have you by any chance had a creaking noise in the back of your G wagon? I have a new one - had 7 month and Mercedes can't seem to figure out what it is - they temporarily fixed it but it is coming back and driving me crazy. Thanks.0
Three messages with the same question. Do you expect to get better answers in numbers?
My guess is that you need to lubricate the rear door latching mechanism. Also try a very light coating Vaseline smeared on the rubber door gasket - all the way around the door. Vinylex cleaner/conditioner also works.
The G will be made at least through 2010. That was announced by DCAG in November of 2005, although it took some of the MBUSA dealers a little time to get the message.0
Sorry - I have not ever been in a forum like this and didn't understand how it worked - I thought I was sending messages to 3 people. Anyway, thanks for the information. I am a little ticked off that one main reason I spent the money was because I thought my year would be the last and therefore would hold its value even more. My husband says if we can't get the creaking noise out of there (he almost refuses to ride in it anymore) we will have to deal with MB and get some resolution - too much money to live with the loud noise. I will try the Vaseline. I guess whatever they did to it to get it to stop finally wore off and maybe has to be done frequently to keep the noise away. A friend of mine has a friend who had the same problem and traded the car back in after only 3 months - couldn't take it and never found out what it was.0
Not sure if I'm allowd to say this here, but I moderate the largest English language Internet Forum for the Geländewagen. This is the URL:
(Moderator, feel free to edit that out, if it's not allowed.)
That squeek/creak in the rear door is not uncommon. Lubricating the door gasket will often solve the problem. Sometimes it takes a lube and a slight adjustment of the striker/latch mechanism; but that is usually only required when there's a clunk back there.
I've been driving a G for 22 years. They are tremendous vehicles; but - admittedly - not for everyone. One of the biggest problems in the USA is that the MBUSA dealers never really got any good service training on the G's; and they look at the G as a ba$tard step child, with which they really don't want anything to do.
If you were in Georgia, I'd be happy to look at it for you. If not, try another dealer. They're not all equal when it comes to the Geländewagen.
Be happy wth your 2005 G. They finally seem to have worked the many bugs out that plagued the earlier models that came to the USA. The folks who will really be ticked are those who buy the 2006, since there are some upgrades and modifications scheduled for the 2007 model year.0
Is the 2007 going to look the same? I just hate to have spent $86,000 for a car that creaks and is so noisy that it truly ruins my enjoyment. I am taking it to MB dealership next week and telling them they must get the creak out - I put the vaseline like someone told me around the latch but I swear I think it sounds worse.0
I tried to register on your forum but it asked me for a verification code - how do I get registered - thanks.0
Try putting it on the rubber gasket that surrounds the door.
Here's a link to some photos. Other than the Xenon lights, the changes are to the powerplants and the interior. At this point no diesels for the USA. Darn! :sick:
Try again, there is no verification code required to my knowledge.0
Only $86,000? Imagine the dismay of customers who paid $135,000 (and in 6 cases, $160,000) to the orginal importer of the truck right up until the time that MB started selling them in 2002 in the mid $70,000's.
One of those $160k customers sold his truck 18 months and 22,000 miles later for $60k. Now that's depreciation!!0
I put the vaseline around the rubber thing all around the back door - didn't help. I paid full sticker for the car - $86,000 - I know the AMG model goes for about $135,000 I think - mine is the Grand Edition - has the medallion on the side saying limited edition and it is numbered on the inside "169" out of only 500 grand edition models made or so I wastold. I have never seen another one with the medallion on the side or with the numbered plate by the gear shift - it is the silver color - I love it like I said but have got to get rid of that noise. Thanks for the info. I am taking it back in to the dealership next week to have it fixed again.0
The Geländer (I know, a bit gauche, but I like the way it rolls off my tongue) is my favorite MB.
Any car with real rain gutters gets high marks from me. :shades: Nice to see that they didn't go away.
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The absolute only thing I could find on mine that it didn't have was automatic fold in side mirrors - the truck is narrow so really doesn't need them but I got used to them on my wide Escalade.0
I am a poser - I am a housewife who uses my new G500 for grocery shopping and mundane errands - will never use the off-road capability - just thought it looked cool.0
tidester Posts: 10,059Hi, everyone. As you've probably noticed, we have been trying to refine the discussions into more narrowly focussed topics. Our objective is twofold. We want to make it easier for people seeking specific information about their vehicles to find it easily and without having to wade through hundreds or thousands of postings.
To those ends, we will be shutting down the general make/model discussions and work exclusively with specific issues. This requires us to populate the make/model subsections with relevant, interesting and timely topics. Rather than having the hosts simply create boilerplate topics for each make/model, we feel that you, the owner, the make/model enthusiast and the prospective buyer can best judge what those topics should be.
You can help by adding a discussion (it's easy!) or suggesting one here.
To add a discussion, click on the last link in the "You are here" line at the top of this page. That will take you to the topic page for this make/model. Review the list of topics and click on the "Add discussion" link when you've decided what topic you'd like to add. Follow the directions and you're done! Feel free to add more than one. Just avoid duplicating existing topics and try not to make it TOO specific!
Your help and continued participation in the Forums is greatly appreciated! Thanks.0
I just noticed that you have the G-Class listed in the GL-Class Family Heading. The G-Class bears no more resemblance to the GL-Class than it does to the ML-Class or R-Class - all three of which are built on the same basic body structure in the same plant.
Why not sort things out correctly? :confuse:0
This one was on the list to redo but got away from us I guess. The class stuff bugs me as it is - someone posts about the M-Class ... well, are they driving the ML320 or 350 or?
The GL has what, the 320, 420 (Bluetec?), 450 and 500? But only the GL420 and GL450 in this US? Oh wait, the GL320 is a CDI isn't it? :confuse:
It's easy for Mercedes fans but the rest of us like names like Murano, Explorer, or my fav, the Geländewagen that comes complete with real external raingutters. Say G-Wagon and I immediately know what SUV you are talking about.0
If you want to lump things, put the GL, ML and R Classes in the same group. They're all built on the same basic body unit and in the same factory.
The G-Class, G-Wagen or MB Geländewagen is still hand built in Graz, Austria; as it has been with very little change in style since February 1979. It is one of the last hand built production vehicles left. It is not a GL; nor is the GL a direct descendant of the G !0
gagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432I have considered buying a used G500 as they seem to be a lot less than new. What should I look for in the buying process. I am looking for a vehicle to keep for another 10-15 years. I am now looking at the GL320 CDI as my first choice. A real good buy on a G500 would buy a lot of Premium Gas.
Any years to steer clear of?0
ukg500 Posts: 1Help me, someone please reply to this.. firstly apologies if this topic has been discussed before, I did do a search (several) and couldnt find anything on it. I have a 2003 G500 bought in the US and shipped over to the UK. Ever since ive had it I have had one problem after another...mainly the window mechanisms failing/totally breaking down and had to be replaced (all 4!). I hardly drive the wagen, its stationary 90% of the time,it has so little mileage even now (thats because gas prices in the UK are horrendous) so its not as if it has had a thorough use of it, never off road and lately (for the past year) the only journeys its had is to the mercedes shop and back again. I drive a little cheap city car that has never had a problem since i bought it and i drive the hell out of it. Anyway, My current problem is that I seem to be totally locked out of the car, thinking it was the batteries I changed them, its not. I can get in with the mechanical key but when i insert the smart key into the ignition...nothing happens. It wont even turn. Ive been quoted some really silly prices to have it towed to the garage and then more silly prices as to what i might have to pay just for a tech to look at it. Thats without actual work being done. Does anyone here know why a smart key would malfunction, has anyone gone through the same thing and found the reason? Is it common? Is there anything i can do or try before taking out a bank loan to fix this? Please help...as soon as i fix this problem im getting rid of it because even though its a dream car, the costs of repair far outweight the benefits. Its been a total nightmare. I would understand the cost of maintenance if i drove the hell out of it on a regular basis. Fed up and dissolutioned Gwagen owner!0
2002 & 2003 have been plagued with electronics problems in a lot of them.0
maxsmart Posts: 1Sorry to hear of all your problems. As mschafer points out unfortunately 2002/2003 are plagued with electronic problems.
I would try search MB forums in general about the smart key since it probably won't be G specific. You might also want to try some of the other G forums which are visited more regularly.
You will be limited in who you can take your G to in London unfortunately. MB Mayfair (now in Park Royal) are the only dealer in London who work on Gs on a regular basis but as you point out it may require a small bank loan.
There are also people like George Fraser who's rates are half of MB.
Sell it and get another but don't get put off by it! Most Gs are rock solid reliable.0
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