IsTumblrDown hit with a Cease & Desist - <AUTHOR> http://istumblrdown.com/ <comment><USER3> It's worth posting this to the Chilling Effects Clearinghouse at [http://www.chillingeffects.org/](http://www.chillingeffects.org/) (go to [http://www.chillingeffects.org/input.cgi](http://www.chillingeffects.org/input.cgi) to submit). They're run by the EFF, so they are indisputably The Good Guys.

<comment><USER4> How come the EFF are 'indisputably The Good Guys'? There are plenty of legitimate questions to be asked about the organization's and member's actual motives and/or agendas.

<comment><USER5> As it is, your comment is appealing to people's scepticism, but not offering an argument of any kind. It would help if you gave an example or two of these "legitimate questions".

<comment><USER6> Not to get too pedantic, but by inviting him to provide concrete evidence, are you not asking him to dispute it and thus proving his point?

<comment><USER7> Asking him to prove his point is the correct thing to do. If he is correct, then I want to hear it. If he can't prove his point, I want it to be apparent that he is unwilling to attempt it.

<comment><USER6> But his claim, that it is disputable, is quite weak and therefore trvially proves itself. By disputing it, he proves it can be disputed. You are seeking to resolve said dispute, which is also important but not exactly the same thing.

<comment><USER8> When people in conversation say something that is trivially true, they generally mean something deeper.

For example, consider the phrase, "It is what it is": [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/it_is_what_it_is](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/it_is_what_it_is)

Logically, it's an obvious tautology. Idiomatically, it means, "This circumstance is simply a fact and must be accepted or dealt with as it exists."

So lightyrs was A) trying to say something substantive about the EFF, or B) making an incredibly obvious statement about the literal meaning "indisputable", which etfb clearly was using hyperbolically for effect. I think the charitable thing to do is to assume A, which is what siddboots did.

<comment><USER4> You seem to have come the closest to my actual meaning, while still missing a point of subtlety that perhaps I did not convey.

Given your dichotomy, my statement would fall under the banner of B, however, what I am really driving at is the fallacy of the inherent trust that we tend to place in institutions and political actors that are supposedly 'on our side'. This is a vector that can be exploited and as such, must be minimized at every opportunity. I am playing the role of skeptic here to contribute to a mainline of skepticism that may serve to ultimately enhance the authority that the EFF asserts when they claim to 'speak for us'.

You say this is 'obvious', however, I would argue that it can never be obvious enough and that it is not actually as obvious as you might think. I am very often bewildered by the trust people are willing to place in institutions. I am disturbed by this trust — by this weakening of the foundations of authority. My comment came from these emotional and intellectual underpinnings.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> IANAL, only an entrepreneur, but this should surprise no one even passingly familiar with trademark law. Failure to enforce your trademark's registration can expose you to claims that your mark is no longer "in use." Sure, this guy might be 100% innocent, but it won't matter when someone less innocent comes along and uses the fact Tumblr didn't enforce their trademark against this other guy to be annoying.

It's easier to just shoot an email to your attorneys and have send a C&D than it is to enter into a more protracted, _ad hoc_ conversation. It costs virtually nothing to do this. Some associate at the firm types it up using one of a bajillion templates, sends it out with a partner's name attached, and bills the client for <30 minutes worth of time.

You, too, can hire an attorney and pay them a few hundred dollars to reply! Or you can try replying yourself.

C&Ds are not legally binding, of course, and the recipient can choose to comply, respond, or ignore as they see fit. Because of how trademark law works I wouldn't recommend "ignoring" since the complaining party is pretty much obligated to escalate matters.

For example, a friend of mine created a parody website of a world-famous newspaper and predictably received a C&D. This was more than just the trademark: it repurposed content, used the same typefaces, mimicked the same layout, etc. They agreed to let him use it after he replied and agreed to include a prominent disclaimer up top stating that "<Newspaper> trademarks used with permission of <Newspaper Corporation>" and explaining that this was a parody.

I don't know if the OP tried to do this, but I will say turning to the "court of public opinion" as a first course of action makes this outcome somewhere between incredibly unlikely to impossible.

Tumblr isn't trying to be evil -- you're using _their_ name, after all -- they're just trying to take care of it in the most time-efficient manner possible. The #1 most time-efficient manner is sending a C&D. For folks whose infringements are minor and inconsequential, it's likely that the #2 most time-efficient manner is to let them use the name in the domain with a prominent disclaimer and an explicit, albeit revokable, license.

<comment><USER10> > Failure to enforce your trademark's registration can expose you to claims > that your mark is no longer "in use."

That's true, but C&Ds are not the only way to enforce a trademark. Tumblr could have granted him a license to use the trademark in exchange for a dollar a year. But they chose to be dicks instead.

<comment><USER9> Or maybe the recipient just freaked out because he didn't know how to dance to this tune and C&Ds seem like mighty and terrible things to someone who has never received one before?

Sending a C&D is fast, cheap, and requires almost no thought on Tumblr's part. Tumblr is optimizing for how they focus their time and attention, not how they treat folks using their name without permission. Why spend a few thousand dollars of attorney-hours going back and forth with every person who puts "tumblr" in their domain name when you can spend a small fraction of that and just reflexively send a C&D? Next up, freetumblrthemes.com, tumblrscripts.com, tumblrbots.com, themes4tumblr.com, officialtumblrthemes.com, etc.

Tumblr isn't being a dick. They're being prudent. This isn't an area of their business that is important enough to optimize relative to all the other things they might be working on, so you come up with reasonable defaults, delegate to your attorneys, and stop thinking about it.

But, hey, if you get a C&D you now at least know you have Tumblr's attention! Why not be contrite and reply asking for exactly what you propose? There's no downside. Indeed, you now know you're going to receive a prompt and unambiguous answer, whereas if you had asked for permission up front you most likely would've been ignored.

There is, however, plenty of downside to complaining that you received a C&D in public, particularly as a _first_ rather than _last_ resort.

<comment><USER11> Legal letters breed resentment. I was once threatened by a big business and promised myself never to use their services in the future. If only they had sent an informal email pointing out the error and suggesting a fix, but nope, it was a threatening legal letter through some third party with a short time limit for response. Just makes me angry thinking about it and this is now several years down the line.

<comment><USER9> You could be right. If you are, Tumblr will be the worse for it and you can feel vindicated. On the other hand, maybe that's a risk Tumblr is willing to take.

Who's to say the cost in attorney dollars and company focus of having dozens or hundreds of one-off conversations or more every month isn't greater than the cost of all this supposed resentment? Who's to say that the opportunity cost of addressing that resentment is too high to justify spending time on it? If you were Tumblr's CEO and believed either of these were true, would you still spend time fiddling with your trademark C&D process?

To be honest, I suspect Tumblr builds up more user "resentment" every time they change the placement of a button on their site than they have from all the C&Ds they've ever sent out.

I've received aggressive, company-and-livelihood threatening C&Ds from companies like Groupon, Facebook, and others of similar heft. Sometimes I complied, sometimes I didn't, and sometimes we reached an agreement. There's no reason to take it personally. Lord knows the other side isn't!

<comment><USER12> > _There 's no reason to take it personally. Lord knows the other side isn't!_

That people abdicate their humanity whenever the word "business" is attached to what they're doing is pretty well the root of the problem.

<comment><USER9> Nobody is abdicating their humanity and the only "dehumanizing" thing I see is the implication that some people are.

Let's say you live above a popular bar. On Friday and Saturday nights it gets loud as folks line up to get in and then again as last call approaches. The first dozen times you go down and ask folks to quiet down because it's late and you're trying to slew. Some comply, some don't, and others are happy to comply if you buy them a drink.

Eventually, this becomes tiring and you see it's a poor use of your time _even if most people are happy to comply._. You enlist the bar to help and they implement a "no tolerance" policy. If the bouncer can hear you talk you're out of the line and won't be getting in that night.

You are on a first date with someone and go to this bar. You talk too loudly and are told to leave. You're embarrassed and upset that this bar would embarrass you in front of your date. You try to appeal by explaining the situation. "Hey man, cut me a break. This is our first date, I didn't know the rules, and in any case we were barely whispering."

"Look, man, I don't know you. I get lines like that all te time and you're making my job harder than it needs to be right now. Come back tomorrow of you want, but neither you not your date are getting in. I need to be checking IDs right now, not debating you."

I'm sure you can and will nitpick the analogy, but here's my claim: even if you feel outraged at your treatment, even if it ruined your night and your date, nobody in the above scenario "abdicated their humanity," as you put it.

<comment><USER8> _> Nobody is abdicating their humanity and the only "dehumanizing" thing I see is the implication that some people are._

Your taking a human relationships issue and deciding it based on narrow cost- benefit analysis is definitely dehumanizing. And that's exactly what you're doing by comparing attorney salaries against the cost of resentment.

Hint: if you have to say, "hey, it's nothing personal, it's just business" after somebody is badly treated, then dehumanization is exactly what's happening. It's obviously personal to the person you're saying that to. What that phrase says is that you've decided to treat them impersonally.

<comment><USER9> It's not my responsibility that they take it personally any more than it's my responsibility as the apartment owner, bar, or bouncer that the person being ejected from the line is taking it personally. As Tumblr, I have no relationship with the person in question. Why isn't it their responsibility to ask if they might use my name first? Why isn't it the loud-talker's responsibility to know the rules of the road (or sidewalk, as it were) before they hop in line?

A C&D does not have the force of law. If I build a service that piggy backs off another service without their permission, I shouldn't be surprised that their opening remark is a strongly-worded, "We don't know you. We don't have a relationship with you. We don't like that you're doing this. We don't feel the need to explain ourselves to you. Stop it, now."

If we want to talk about empathy and human-to-human interaction, the "human" thing for me to do (IMO) would be to apologize for stepping on that other person's toes and ask what I could do to make it work. The obnoxious thing for me to do would be to stop what I'm doing, set up a milk crate, and start shouting about how this other person is trying to censor me. I don't think it's inhuman to do that, but OTOH I shouldn't be surprised when the other person is suddenly less inclined to make nice.

In this case, I would not be saying the same thing if Tumblr's first move were something that carried legal force, in the same way that I think it'd be inappropriate if the first thing the bar did was call the police and file a noise violation rather than tell the person to leave.

<comment><USER8> Ok, I'm not engaging with your hypothetical, so I'm just going to answer the relevant stuff.

A) This guy did not "build a service that piggy backs off another". Certainly not more than every other site-monitoring tool, none of which any reasonable site operator objects to. And if they do, there is a technical solution that is pretty simple.

B) The tone of that quote is totally dickish. You might not be surprised to get that, but this guy was surprised, and most people would be. As a fan of Tumblr, he made something for other fans of Tumblr. The proper human response to that is either "Thanks!" or "Thanks, but that's a problem because..." Not some sort of freak-out.

C) Your whole made-up interaction is pure fiction, unrelated to anything anybody has said. Your initial argument was about trademark enforcement, so I have no idea where any sort of "service piggybacking" is coming from.

D) Tumblr were jerks first, so this guy putting up a notice that is mildly jerky is not an unreasonable response.

Also, I just don't get why you're pursuing this so heavily. Given the way you were a) told you were wrong by an expert, b) are getting a lot of push-back on your arguments, and c) are getting downvoted, maybe you should take that a a sign to pause for a while.

You seem to have done some good stuff, but this vigorous defense of callous corporate intimidation is off-putting. Like Dylan said, you should really listen to yourself.

<comment><USER9> I'm not making a legal argument. I'm explaining why I think Tumblr's response is within the range of responses I'd expect were I the author of the site and why their response doesn't rise to a level that I think deserves unbridled moral outrage. The mechanics of trademark law are one of a few things which set the bounds of this range.

I'm not saying Tumblr's response was the most productive or the most appropriate, either, and I agree with you that Tumblr made a tactical mistake by alienating (at least) this one customer. Who cares? If Tumblr is being stupid they're being stupid and will pay for it by losing users and brand equity. They're not ruining this guy's life. Their C&D didn't have the force of law. It's a sternly worded letter from a company this fellow was annoying, even if Tumblr "were jerks first."

If he wanted to continue running the service he could've nominally pushed back. He decided he didn't want to and HN has, as usual, turned it into a moral outrage and concluded that Tumblr did what they did "because they are dicks." They might be dicks, but I think it's only tangentially related. Most companies would do something similar.

This is speaking as someone who at one point years ago was in a screaming match on the phone with the head of platform policy at Facebook after they deleted a policy-compliant application of mine with ~10MM monthly active users. Without warning. Protip: turns out screaming is also a tactical mistake, even if you were in the right.

<comment><USER8> Thanks for the reply.

I have not seen unbridled moral outrage. Certainly not from me or the original article. I did not see anybody say that they were ruining this guy's life. Including the guy. After long and deep experience he feels that Tumblr has contempt for their users, and he is now returning the favor.

I think the easy way to resolve the apparent distance between our opinions ("they are acting like dicks" vs "I would expect this") is that current corporate culture often sees it as ok to be dickish towards customers.

I also think the, "Who cares? If Tumblr is being stupid they're being stupid and will pay for it by losing users and brand equity," bit is self- contradictory. I think whole let-the-marketplace-decide thing is morally vacuous; it implies that anything profitable is good. But if you use that as a moral standard, you have to approve of discussions like this because discussing products and companies _is_ how the market decides.

Also, I feel you on Facebook. I practically fell to my knees at a conference begging one of their platform honchos to start some sort of "trusted app" program so we could distinguish an actually useful product from all the viral horseshit. Ah well; now I have another kind of business that is on the "never do that again" list: big bets on other people's platforms.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Looks like this was a quick semi-joke website. If Tumblr didn't like what message it sent (which is understandable) ... they could have started with a simple email to the guy. Heck, they probably could have just asked him to change the messages so that it was slightly less snarky. If he didn't want to play ball, then sure ... C&D away. But what happened to plain old being nice?

</comment><comment><USER14> Now's my chance to start [http://isIsTumblerDownDown.com](http://isIsTumblerDownDown.com)

<comment><USER15> Hah, that's great. I shouldn't have been surprised that it exists. My question is: did you register that or is there a bot out there registering domains that appear in comments?

<comment><USER8> Whoa. To me, this looks like domain squatters.

The whois info:

       Domain Name: ISISTUMBLERDOWNDOWN.COM
       Registrar: HEBEI GUOJI MAOYI (SHANGHAI) LTD DBA HEBEIDOMAINS.COM
       Whois Server: whois.hebeidomains.com
       Referral URL: http://www.hebeidomains.com
       Name Server: NS1.LOCALHOSTY.COM
       Name Server: NS2.LOCALHOSTY.COM
       Status: ok
       Updated Date: 30-aug-2013
       Creation Date: 30-aug-2013
       Expiration Date: 30-aug-2014

And the IP resolves to:

      NetRange:       126.96.36.199 - 18.104.22.168
      CIDR:           220.127.116.11/20, 18.104.22.168/18
      NetName:        ARIN-CASTLE-ALLOC
      Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-43-128-0-1
      OrgName:        Castle Access Inc
      Address:        9606 Aero Drive
      City:           San Diego
      StateProv:      CA

And some of this traces back to trellian.com, "SEO and Website Marketing Solutions."

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Alternatives:

[http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tumblr.com](http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tumblr.com)

[http://downrightnow.com/tumblr](http://downrightnow.com/tumblr)

</comment><comment><USER17> I sympathize with the author and his concerns about Tumblr's disregard for its users.

Having said that, companies have a legal responsibility to take "all steps necessary" to protect their trademarks. Unfortunately, this responsibility sometimes requires them to engage in seemingly nit-picky litigation.

An excerpt from chillingeffects.org [1]: _If a trademark owner fails to police his or her mark, the owner may be deemed to have abandoned the mark or acquiesced in its misuse. A trademark is only protected while it serves to identify the source of goods or services._

I'm not saying that IsTumblrDown had negative intentions or that it blatantly obscured Tumblr's brand; I never had a chance to use the site, so I didn't see how the name was incorporated into it. I'm just saying that firms like Tumblr are sometimes under external pressure to be aggressive in enforcing their trademarks.

[1] [http://chillingeffects.org/trademark/faq.cgi#QID418](http://chillingeffects.org/trademark/faq.cgi#QID418)

<comment><USER18> Fair use applies to trademarks, too: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_%28U.S._trademark_law...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_%28U.S._trademark_law%29)

Specifically see this paragraph:

 _A nonowner may also use a trademark_ nominatively _—to refer to the actual trademarked product or its source. In addition to protecting product criticism and analysis, United States law actually encourages nominative usage by competitors in the form of comparative advertising.[citation needed]_

<comment><USER9> This is likely an expensive argument to make and one that Tumblr would be glad to spend legal dollars to fight. Tactically, it would make more sense to be as contrite as you possibly can, play the naïve engineer who loves Tumblr to death, and ask them for permission to use the name in the domain in exchange for including a prominent banner + disclaimer at the top of the page or wherever Tumblr prefers.

<comment><USER18> Sounds like yet another flaw in our current legal system.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> They've sent a retraction: [http://istumblrdown.com/retraction/](http://istumblrdown.com/retraction/)

</comment><comment><USER19> Could you link us to a copy of the C&D?

</comment><comment><USER20> > Failure to enforce your trademark's registration can expose you to claims > that your mark is no longer "in use."

Is that actually true? Has such a thing ever really happened in a situation like this?

</comment><comment><USER21> The site was more opinionated than your typical "isup.me" style site, so while I can't justify the C&D I can at least understand the motivation a little bit more.

<comment><USER22> Although there's probably some Streisand Effect happening here. I hadn't heard all this about Tumblr - but now it's the most memorable thing I've heard about them. It's bad PR, but as others are pointing out, it's likely Trademark protection.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> Missing E's warning is to indicate that using a third party plugin to alter the sites behavior - which is constantly being improved and worked on - <USER2> have negative effects. If something breaks due to Missing E not working with an update that gets pushed out, then disable Missing E. Check the first page of the Missing E blog, and almost every post is regarding an update due to Missing E breaking in some way due to incompatibility. Seems pretty straight forward to me?

<comment><AUTHOR> Tumblr itself was highly fragile, so this could be the case. But the Tumblr users were used to things breaking a lot and understood.

I think the biggest thing was the fact they spent all the time removing Missing E rather than adding a few features people wanted.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> I'm curious what legal justification someone would think they have for preventing a site like IsTumbrDown from operating.

<comment><USER13> trademark I'm guessing ... they use their brand's name in the domain, which could lead to confusion about whether it was official or not.

<comment><USER25> If that was the concern, couldn't a clear message like _" IsTumblrDown? is in no way affiliated to Tumblr"_ make it okay?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> I wonder if this is a case of them requiring by law to defend their trademark, though then I wonder why they can't just license it for $1 per year for the exact use currently being used - so you can't then just go get a license and change everything to be different..

</comment><comment><USER27> Having yet to see the C&D, the mostly likely reason for this would be utterly boring but entirely rational trademark enforcement/infringement. Odds are, a human only signed the letter without so much as reading it or asking anyone in management for a second opinion.

</comment><comment><USER28> Alternative: run your own Smokeping server, as I am here (give it some time to populate the data):

[http://zen.ae7.st/smokeping/?target=Internet.Tumblr](http://zen.ae7.st/smokeping/?target=Internet.Tumblr)

</comment><comment><USER29> Maybe time to register isTumblrEvil.com

I now need to consider where to move my tumblr blog.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Updated with the letter as people requested.

</comment><comment><USER30> What a shame... What are they doing?

<comment><USER31> Probably trying to protect their brand. You can always still hit: [http://isitup.org/tumblr.com](http://isitup.org/tumblr.com)

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> "its," not "it's"</comment>


Apple's iMac Pro is a love letter to developers - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/14/apples-imac-pro-is-a-love-letter-to-developers/ <comment><USER4> The cheese grater style Mac Pros were the best for developers. Still hasn't changed. They were reasonably priced, good looking boxes that you can open and upgrade. We don't care about compactness unless it's a laptop. Key feature is that we can open the box and there's room to add and change stuff inside. Otherwise it's not really 'Pro'. This is even more relevant when you have horsepower hungry stuff like VR.

It's only a matter of time before Win 10 Unix features mature, and it makes me migrate back to Windows.

<comment><USER5> I think you paint pro's with a pretty wide brush. Pro developers or IT people, sure... Pro animators, designers, architects, engineers? I think many pro's just want their system to be fast, run their software and complete their tasks efficiently. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts.

<comment><USER4> No, I feel that you may have misread my comment. I'm specifically referring to developers and only developers.

> designers, architects. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot > of them, more than the ability to swap parts.

You're right. These are the professions that need a lot of physical space for whom the slim form factors makes sense. I just vaguely remember Phil Schiller saying that the new machines will better cater to developers.

<comment><USER5> Sorry about that. Upon re-reading I see that you did specify developers. I will add that most of the developers I work with don't like to mess around with their work computer much... I'm sure at home they like to customize and do their own thing but I doubt that's a specific market Apple is trying to cater directly to.

<comment><USER4> Yeah that makes sense for developers who clock in and out for a large conglomerate. It's not the same for devs who work for a startup.

<comment><USER6> I'm really interested in what you're doing in a startup that needs all that power locally.

For me, I would probably be happy with a 2 core macbook but I use a 4 core macbook pro. If I'm doing something that needs a lot of compute, it's in the cloud.

<comment><USER4> I use the usual resource hogs like full blown IDEs, multiple electron apps, a million browser windows, server instances, and more; with occasional heavy processing or regular integration tests.

Yes I can offload stuff to the cloud. I just don't want to, just like you're happier with a laptop as opposed to a desktop. I don't want to deal with issues like latency and configuration or more importantly constantly thinking about whether or not I have enough resources to run something locally. There's enough things in my life that I have to budget.

<comment><USER7> You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps?

I have a 16GB macbook pro and I run two different IDE's, firefox with about 20-30 tabs, Eagle, and various other programs. I rarely run into swapping problems.

<comment><USER4> > You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps?

"with occasional heavy processing" Yes.

Besides why would you want a powerful machine frozen in amber when it's not a laptop?

<comment><USER7> It really depends on what your workload is. I would assume for most people 64 GB is going to be more than enough for the next 5 years.

For me the real concern is with the GPU. As soon as apple comes out with a 32GB macbook pro I'll probably upgrade and just attach an eGPU to it.

<comment><USER4> > For me the real concern is with the GPU.

This is actually my main concern as well which is atleast addressed with a solution. Upgrading SSDs is the other but I don't like using Thunderbolt.

I really want to stay with Mac OS, but Apple just makes it harder and harder with every year while Windows is getting a little better at the same time under Nadella.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> "Love letter to developers"?! If Apple wants to send me a love letter, they can tell their design team to put 32gb of RAM into a MacBook Pro that has an upgradeable drive, expandable memory and a reasonable configuration of ports.

<comment><USER9> I remember hearing the lack of a 32GB option was due to the chipset or something.

<comment><USER10> Even then, who chose the chipset?

<comment><USER11> Intel. Currently, if you want to use low power RAM with an Intel mobile chip, you have to use LP-DDR3 in a config that maxes out at 16GB. You can also use non-LP DDR4 up to 32GB (Dell makes a laptop that does, for instance), but at that point you have a somewhat increased power draw when the system is running, and a _dramatically_ increased power draw on standby (IIRC about five times the power). Apple laptops have traditionally had excellent standby battery life; they're presumably not willing to sacrifice this.

Upcoming Intel mobile chips will resolve this, allowing use of LP-DDR4.

<comment><USER10> I'm looking at this Intel CPU: [https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/...](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/i7-processors/i7-7660u.html)

That claims to support up to 32GB memory, and it claims to support, among other things, LPDDR3-1866. Are you saying that if you want to use LPDDR3-1866 with that CPU, you're limited to only 16GB? I can't find anything about that through some quick googling, but if it's true, I retract my snarky comment.

<comment><USER11> Note "(dependent on memory type)". It can do LPDDR3, and it can do 32GB, but not both at once. You'll note that any laptops which do 32GB will list DDR4 RAM.

<comment><USER10> How about this beefier mobile CPU, which supports up to 64GB RAM? Maybe they'd have needed to make some of their pro laptops a bit less thin, but they are _Pro_ laptops after all. [https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/...](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/i7-processors/i7-7920hq.html)

Also, I wish Intel would just list the maximum supported memory configuration for each memory type, instead of just having a worthless "(depending on memory type)".

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> With the upper limit of 128 gigabytes, it's definitely a love letter to people who want to use slack.

<comment><USER13> Haha, that made me literally laugh out loud!

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> My mid-2010 Mac Pro tower is still my favorite machine, probably favorite I've ever owned. The form and function are basically perfect. It's built like a workman's tool and that's what it is.

Update that with current year components and shut up and take my money.

<comment><USER15> I would love this with M.2 (or U.2) SSDs and modern CPUs/Chipsets. Don't even need Xeons. Really would rather not have Xeons and their associated cost, if I'm being frank.

</comment></comment><comment><USER16> I don't think so

This machine is for designers and creative people.

A beefy Mac mini or powerful MacBook is what I need without a ridiculously high price tag.

Price wouldn't be such an issue if the thing was at all upgradable.

<comment><USER17> The GPU might be overkill for developers (unless they're doing game dev or machine learning), but don't scoff at big core counts and fast disk I/O - <USER2> help a lot. And while it might not be strictly _necessary_ , that 5K screen sure is nice and obviates a lot of the need for a second monitor. I think a convincing case could be made for developers to splurge on this.

<comment><USER18> Since making the jump to a 4K display, I've really felt my urge to have a second monitor drop off hard. UHD solves the problem and removes the display gap.

<comment><USER19> Since moving to a single 34 inch ultrawide monitor, my biggest complaint is the window management. Two displays make this easy: fullscreen each one (Windows has shortcuts for this builtin). But with one monitor I have to manage the windows myself (I've tried 3rd party apps, they never seem to work nicely).

Did you not have this problem?

<comment><USER20> on mac/windows you can buy divvy. that app is just awesome for window management.

<comment><USER21> Divvy is good but these days I'd recommend Magnet ([https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/magnet/id441258766?mt=12](https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/magnet/id441258766?mt=12)). They've had an 80% discount forever, so it's basically just the price ($0.99). It's pretty polished, and lets you assign keyboard shortcuts.

<comment><USER20> well I use both divy and magnet. divy is better for more fine grained window management especially on 4k, whereas magnet is great for general placement a la windows

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> I would say the ThinkPad 25 is much more of a love letter to developers.

<comment><USER23> Didn't they take one of their standard, woefully underpowered 14" business class laptops, change almost nothing aside from the keyboard, and then call it a special edition?

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> > Apple's iMac Pro is a love letter to developers

What BS. Isn't it literally an _apology letter_?

Apple: "Sorry we neglected and ignored you, but to make it up we didn't really listen to you, but got you a nice dinner of our favorite stuff (thinspo industrial design). Please don't leave us."

</comment><comment><USER11> If this was so, they'd provide a config option with a cheap GPU and less storage (or alternatively provide a Xeon option for the ordinary iMac). Many/most developers don't need a $600 GPU or 1TB of super-fast storage, but do want the extra core count.

IIRC they used to do this with the tower Mac Pros; the base option had a cheapish graphics card. Base model price went up dramatically with the trashcan, which made high-end GPUs mandatory.

</comment><comment><USER25> * wealthy developers.

At home I have a 32GB 1800x system with a 2GB/s NVME drive and a 1080ti. I chose Nvidia after years of AMD use due to performance. Of course I use it for gaming as well. At work I have a Dell XPS 15 and we've been buying those or P-series Lenovo's for the devs there.

The new iMac is $6300CAD. There's no way I'm buying it for myself or my devs.

The iOS devs at work get Macbook Pros and prefer the portable nature of them. The UX team get those as well - for the same reason. Plus we'd never fork out that much money for a single machine.

Maybe people who work with 4k video or VFX and need OSX would go for these.

</comment><comment><USER26> At 5k dollars (plus taxes!) this must be the most expensive love letter ever written.

<comment><USER27> Actually, the starting price is $4599, not the $4999 Apple originally said.

Even then, compared to buying an equivalent workstation hardware (including a 5K display) from a manufacturer such as HP, this is no more expensive.

<comment><USER28> At least you'd be able to adjust the height of that display.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> I mean. I guess not all love letters need to be reciprocated so I'll save my nits on the headline.

</comment><comment><USER30> The device seems impressive, but the price is even more so.

I'd probably chose one only if I can get someone else (e.g. an employer) to pay for it; otherwise the same money can buy a combination of a much cheaper computer + a nice overseas vacation trip, and that'd be better.

</comment><comment><USER31> It might pay to revisit these negative comments in a few months time.

The iMac Pro is beautiful, and ridiculously powerful. I am back to the days of wanting to be able to justify the absurd price (that's what power costs) simply to have that icon on my desk.

I would not be surprised to see a lot of these turn up on senior executive desks, or as a status symbol from companies to their developers - showing that nothing but the best will do.

Retina iMacs are amazing - I'm currently using a maxed out iMac from 2 years ago, with a 4K screen plugged in too. It was impossible to justify the cost at the time, but now I cannot imagine anything less.

</comment><comment><USER32> I used to do a lot of 300dpi print design work and paid apple and adobe a lot of money for hardware and DVD's of software in the early part of this century.

I currently use an old mac with the last disc based iteration of Adobe Creative Suite - something I suspect a lot of designers are still using - <USER3> the rare occasions I need to sit down and create.

I'm wondering about the Apple pro lines and who might use a non upgradable, closed piece of expensive hardware going forward. It feels to me as though that market is shrinking unless they get serious about 'pro' meaning industrial strength and configurable

<comment><USER33> I imagine the iMac Pro will be a great machine for a lot of video/animation professionals, and at least some developers, even though I'm not sure I'd call this a "love letter" to them. It's a very powerful machine with an amazing display that takes up very little space.

And, yeah, I _do_ think Apple has in recent years been seriously underestimating the value of internal expandability, but I also think critics may _overestimate_ that value to some degree. A lot of people really do buy whole new computers every four to six years; I'm not convinced "but this one is a _really expensive_ computer!" is a definitive rebuttal in the iMac Pro's case. It seems like it'd be pretty easy to put together an iMac Pro that's going to last you past that six-year limit--and, let's face it, if you're in the market for a computer that could easily top $7K in a midrange configuration, you're probably at an income level where doing that again in six or seven years isn't going to kill you.

And, of course: we have yet to see what the 2018 Mac Pro is going to be like; the signs are that it's going to be closer to what people who don't like the closed box of the iMac would want.

(My biggest kvetch about the iMac Pro is that it seems kind of petty not to have user upgradeable RAM. Maybe there's a design reason for that, but it just feels like awfully low-hanging fruit, given that the "non-pro" 27" iMacs allow this.)

</comment></comment><comment><USER34> I'm just excited to see the full-width bluetooth keyboard with numpad. Unfortunately it doesn't look like you can order it on its own in spacegray color (call me vain but it looks fantastic!)

</comment><comment><USER35> If you mainly work in one place, the current Mac Pro is great for developers. I still travel with it but it is to another house where I have a monitor and keyboard setup.

</comment><comment><USER36> Here my answer: I'm cheating on you and still have no regrets.

ps: my last year hackintosh build with 64GB RAM for < 5K is not impressed by those 128GB RAM

</comment><comment><USER37> Love letter? Hmm, that annoying glossy display?

I hope they will fix the new macbook pro, that would be a love letter!

</comment><comment><USER38> I love Macs and I love desktop computers (I'm old). I have a maxed-out 2013-era iMac. I'll piss away money on the stupidest things, but this is just insane. I can't possibly wrap my head around spending that much money for an all-in-one computer in 2017. It's like Apple wants to pretend it's still 2012.

<comment><USER39> I've recently spotted new Dell/HP with 4k displays and small bezels and those look great and have 32Gb of RAM. My top-of-the-line MacBook Pro '17 screen is noticeably worse and it has only 16Gb of RAM. I know that there's no LPDDR4 support yet -but- that's developer machine. With Docker, Terminal, cmake and all those things it barely lives for 2 hours on battery anyways, so I might as well just have a more powerful portable machine.

But the best thing is definitely the 4K screen on those HP/Dells: With the default scaled resolution that Apple introduced last year things look pixelated, while on 4K they don't. For a person who spends 12+ hours a day in front of laptop screen that's huge.

Maybe colors are not that saturated but I don't care if my VSCode theme displays 1 billion colors more. Neither iMac Pro nor MacBooks are developer machines anymore. Creative professionals -- yes, but not developers.</comment></comment>


The Simple Reason Netflix Is Paying More Than $500M for Seinfeld - <AUTHOR> https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/09/19/the-simple-reason-netflix-is-paying-more-than-500.aspx <comment><USER2> I struggle to believe Netflix will gain any subscribers by showing Seinfeld or indeed lose any by not showing The Office or Friends.

For me, these are shows to have on in the background while I'm doing something else. I'm not watching them, but that's OK as I've seen them before and can easily dip in and out, while enjoying the odd familiar scene or joke. Personally, I have never watched Friends or The Office on Netflix, but I do this with Archer and The Thick Of It, P&R on Amazon Prime and Silicon Valley on Sky. If any of those shows were no longer on, I'd simply find something else to have on in the background.

<comment><USER3> Your statistical analysis proves with an uncertainty of 100% that nobody cares about Seinfeld, the Office or Friends.</comment></comment>


Coca-Cola Using Hyperledger and Ethereum - <AUTHOR> https://cryptorandgroup.com/coca-cola-using-hyperledger-and-ethereum/ <comment><USER2> But why? This is a private company. Why on Earth would they want to run their internal operations on Ethereum?

<comment><USER3> Honestly, the only reason that I can think of is that they want to have a decentralized database with a provenance chain of where resources come from/go to, track it on the individual level.

Why wouldn't they be using a centralized DB for this? No clue. They can get the same functionality 99% of the time with their own internal centralized DB.

The only reason that I could recommend using a blockchain solution would be that you need to have each individual location that utilizes the database not be able to trust the connection to the central database, and therefore you need a distributed system that enforces trust, especially between locations, i.e. Bottler #1 doesn't necessarily trust Supplier #1 for the correct transfer of resources, and the crypto nature of the exchange confirmation would make it difficult to defraud the transaction. The problem is that this only works while all resources are tracked on the blockchain -- otherwise, you have digital information with no physical backing.

If you are Coca-Cola, you can build your own centralized system to track supplies yourself -- you are the central source of truth. If you have the weight to throw around, why wouldn't you just require your suppliers/bottlers to utilize a connection to your DB system instead of trying to shoehorn in blockchain? They might actually have a good reason, but I kinda feel like it's a waste.

<comment><USER4> There's no logic to it. Some vendor or higher up convinced management that this was important, probably emphasizing data integrity or something. I doubt it was some super well researched decision.</comment></comment></comment>


New Website Reveals Google Forgotten Search Results - <AUTHOR> https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140803063821-108413089-scary-new-website-reveals-google-forgotten-search-results?trk=tod-home-art-list-small_1

<comment><USER2> Has been linked to multiple times on here. LinkedIn is blogspam, just link to the real site. It's also not censored from search results in the UK or US... [https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hidden+from+google](https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hidden+from+google)

</comment><comment><USER3> I wonder why this article doesn't give a link to the site it's talking about. The URL is:

[http://hiddenfromgoogle.com](http://hiddenfromgoogle.com)</comment>


Charitable Giving Is Down. It Might Be Time to Reform the Charitable Deduction - sneeze-slayer https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/11/12/778326512/charitable-giving-is-down-it-might-be-time-to-reform-the-charitable-deduction <comment><AUTHOR> It might also be time for charities to actually be held accountable for the millions they make, instead of paying their CEOs "competitive" pay, and giving them golden parachutes. Also, as more and more billionaires decide to preserve their wealth using charities, it's a no brainer that less people would want to give. In a very real sense, I'd be willing to bet the people that are supposed to be served by charities are getting less than ever before. Remember the Haiti fiasco with Red Cross.

<comment><AUTHOR> That's the spirit! Downvote! Downvote! Downvote! Downvote!

<comment><USER2> We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. Making accounts to abuse HN will eventually get your main account banned, so please don't do that.</comment></comment></comment>


What is Janitor Monkey? (2015) - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/Netflix/SimianArmy/wiki/Janitor-Home <comment><USER2> So, basically, it's a garbage collector for services. :).

</comment><comment><USER3> I would imagine a slight misconfiguration could turn janitor monkey into wrecking ball monkey.

<comment><USER4> There is a chaos monkey that does that: [https://github.com/Netflix/SimianArmy/wiki/Chaos- Monkey](https://github.com/Netflix/SimianArmy/wiki/Chaos-Monkey)</comment></comment>


Two accelerators find signs of a particle that nobody can explain - <AUTHOR> http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/06/two-accelerators-find-signs-of-a-particle-that-nobody-can-explain/

<comment><USER2> Another article with additional details: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5894449](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5894449)

An important note is that the supposed particle combines two quarks and two antiquarks, so it's not so completely unexplainable as the press article claims. However, no one has yet confirmed a particle like this, then this could be an important discover.</comment>


It's the UX/UI, stupid.  - <AUTHOR> http://itayadam.posterous.com/its-the-uxui-stupid

<comment><USER2> I am a rockstar and I can do it all myself, but I get bored of it very quickly.</comment>


On Semicolons and the Rules of Writing - <AUTHOR> https://themillions.com/2018/07/on-semicolons-and-the-rules.html <comment><USER2> Semicolons can also be extremely helpful for lists with internal punctuation, especially in technical writing. I recently wrote the following sentence in some documentation:

      By default, Gutenberg will look for three templates:
      index.html, which is applied to the site homepage;
      section.html, which is applied to all sections (any
      HTML page generated by creating a directory within
      your content directory); and page.html, which is
      applied to all pages (any HTML page generated by
      creating a .md file within your content directory).

Omitting semicolons from that sentence would have made it much harder to understand, at least in my view.

<comment><USER3> Whenever I find myself writing lists in technical writing, I seriously consider if I can express that information in a table or bullet list.

<comment><USER4> Technical writing is a bit of a different beast: you're writing both to instruct first-time readers and to serve as an authoritative reference for people who have read the document or are otherwise already familiar with the subject.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I quite entertained the same point of view of the author about semicolons. The best use of them is when they're used sparingly, hence carrying more precise weight and meaning.

Now there is something quite peculiar about that punctuation mark's naming, which has some dissonant trait of causality (what colons are used for), and always found the French name "point-virgule" (period-comma) much more apt.

<comment><USER6> The naming fits if you think about the implications of the mark on the flow of a sentence. A colon is a pretty hard stop when I read, while a comma is barely a pause. A semicolon is in between the two; you don't stop as long as the colon, but you pause a little longer than a comma (did I use it correctly? ;P )

<comment><USER7> Is there any chance you're mistaking a "colon" for a full stop (period)?

<comment><USER6> My precedence order is (!|.|?) > : > ; > ,

<comment><USER8> _It took a few moments to realize you mean:_

To me, exclamation mark, full stop and question mark are of equal precedence; they are higher than colon, which is higher than semi-colon, and that is higher than comma.

<comment><USER6> Sorry, I didn't provide a parser for my syntax :P

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> I tend to over use semicolons; they help convey my fractured way of thinking.

<comment><USER10> What's fractured about _"I use X because it helps me do Y"_ though? The semicolon didn't convey that efficiently to me, but it did make the overuse point :)

<comment><USER11> I would have used a full colon between those two sentences; no more half measures.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> I love the writing style of this author. Experiencing a well-written bit of content is refreshing, and honestly makes me want to go write something. I haven't felt like this since I moved from primary school fiction to adult novels.

<comment><USER13> I love this feeling! Go write. I've learned over time to harness this even when I find something _poorly_ written, almost as a rebellion and an effort to do it better. :D

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> For the average reader, semicolons are simply archaic, and there is always a contemporary — which is why you don't see them that often.

When they're used to indicate a separate larger than a comma but less than separate sentences, an em-dash works just a well without any of the pretense: from

 _" My wife would like tea; I would prefer coffee."_

to

 _" My wife would like tea — I would prefer coffee."_

And using them to separate list items which themselves contain commas is asking the reader to do too much work to parse things visually, since semicolons are so similar to commas. Literature can use parentheses or em dashes, while technical material can use lists. Observe how much easier all of the following transformations are to parse at a glance:

 _The people present were Jamie, a man from New Zealand; John, the milkman 's son; and George, a gaunt kind of man with no friends._

 _The people present were Jamie (a man from New Zealand), John (the milkman 's son), and George (a gaunt kind of man with no friends)._

 _Several fast food restaurants can be found within the following cities: London, England; Paris, France; Dublin, Ireland; Madrid, Spain._

 _Several fast food restaurants can be found within the following cities: 1) London, England, 2) Paris, France, 3) Dublin, Ireland, and 4) Madrid, Spain._

 _Here are three examples of familiar sequences: one, two, and three; a, b, and c; first, second, and third._

 _Here are three examples of familiar sequences:_

 _\- one, two, and three_

 _\- a, b, and c_

 _\- first, second, and third._

In academic papers you can sometimes wind up having such hierarchies of information and restricted space (e.g. in footnotes) that semicolons become necessary, just like legal documents use § to mark sections... but academic writing and citations has all sorts of conventions of its own.

<comment><USER15> The semicolon version reads like you're just providing information about both your preferences. The em-dash version reads like you're disagreeing with your wife. Em-dash tends to indicate that the second clause somehow applies to the first clause.

<comment><USER16> I agree they convey different intentions. If they were read aloud the dash would be a slightly longer pause.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> While I don't use semicolons often, to me they are useful for three things: ordered lists, where options are related or parenthetical; to conjoin or inline an example; or a kind of silent differential to orient the idea in a paragraph in a new direction. It's not relevant in business anymore, but useful in tech writing.

In business, the tone and style of email is all about affecting power in environments where people pretend there are no rules that would imply accountability. The result is an absurd competition of who can be more brief, less coherent, and affect the ostentatious transfer of the burden of comprehension to the bottom dog.

</comment><comment><USER18> I recently read, and very much enjoyed, this author's article on the em-dash: [https://themillions.com/2018/01/regarding-the-em- dash.html](https://themillions.com/2018/01/regarding-the-em-dash.html)

(Why yes, it was tempting to use _the mark_ in place of those commas. But I prefer the style of putting spaces around the em-dash, and I fear being downvoted into oblivion by any pedants who strongly adhere to the no-space norms. So commas it is.)

</comment><comment><USER19> I've been to college. This isn't a pretense; it's a fact. I really don't mind if my writing shows that. Indeed, I prefer it.

</comment><comment><USER20> Wonderful read.

The line between how punctuation has evolved (Classic Latin didn't use any punctuation) until modern days and, programming languages syntaxes is indeed very subtle.

I just wrote a thing about it here. [0]

[0] [https://twitter.com/leonardofed/status/1018097202017730560](https://twitter.com/leonardofed/status/1018097202017730560)

</comment><comment><USER21> _I sit at the table after dinner and find myself from time to time taking nuts or raisins out of the dish and eating them. My dinner properly is over, and in the heat of the conversation I am hardly aware of what I do; but the perception of the fruit, and the fleeting notion that I may eat it, seem fatally to bring the act about._

Here's the way I'd have written it:

I sit at the table after dinner and find myself from time to time taking nuts or raisins out of the dish and eating them. My dinner properly is over and in the heat of the conversation I am hardly aware of what I do. But the perception of the fruit and the fleeting notion that I may eat it, seem fatally to bring the act about.

Maybe Perl is like English... TMTOWTDI

<comment><USER22> Your version has a run-on sentence (two independent clauses joined by a bare conjunction without a conversation comma), but, yes, substituting a full stop for the semicolon joining independent clauses is acceptable (the difference is in degree of implied attachment between the independent clauses, so it's not strictly equivalent, but neither is definitively superior.)

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> I prefer tapioca. Some people say they like butterscotch, but they're wrong.

</comment><comment><USER24> How many of you were expecting a javascript-related article?

<comment><USER25> Or Go! I've been doing a lot of JS at work, and Go at home; I recently rewrote an android app in Flutter, and it's just weird for the IDE to insist on semicolons after happily giving up on them :-)

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> Jane Austen's "magnificent opening sentence of Persuasion" was 102 words long. I found it confusing. Replacing all the semicolons with periods, made it easy and enjoyable reading.

I prefer the minimalist style of Strunk:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style)

<comment><USER27> There's a lot wrong with Strunk & White. (For a particularly over the top critique, see [http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/LandOfTheFree.pdf](http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/LandOfTheFree.pdf) )

But modern style definitely tends toward short sentences. With a lot of periods. Even if you create sentence fragments. Sort of Hemingway-esque.

Which does tend to deprecate semi-colons. I enjoyed Eats, Shoots and Leaves. But, as a participant in my company's semi-formal writing style group, I found a lot of the examples contrived and overly complex. As in programming, once you get into trying to figure out the official precedence of operators, you've already lost the game. Rework things so the answer is immediately obvious to people who don't remember whether booleans are computed before exponents.

<comment><USER28> I get a dead link there.

<comment><USER27> Somehow ended up being an extra period in there. Works now.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> I like'em (hermy or not). A semicolon marks the end of a phrase; it promises that what follows it continues the same thought (not something brand-new). (In most writing, a period makes no such promise.)

</comment><comment><USER30> In high school, we were taught to use semicolons in place of the word "furthermore"; they also tend to be more specific than em-dashes -- which can be used haphazardly.

</comment><comment><USER31> Shouldn't that be "On Semicolons; the rules of writing" ?

</comment><comment><USER32> came here hoping not to find references to pascal or c; was not disappointed.

</comment><comment><USER33> Yep. Semicolons are useless. Move on.</comment>


Ask YC: Recommendations for a Canadian-accessible merchant account provider? - <AUTHOR>

Hi all,
I've been trying to find a good merchant account for a Canada-based SaaS startup (the payments will be in US though). I plan on using a service like Spreedly as a gateway, but I'm not sure which merchant account to choose.
I was looking at BeanStream, but are there any other good/better ones that can be used from Canada?
One other thing is that the volume will be quite low at first, as I won't be doing a big release at the start. That being said, if there's a merchant account provider that is "startup friendly" (e.g. low/no monthly fees for the first few months or while volume is low, etc.), then that would be great.
Any suggestions/advice/experience or warnings on this? <comment><USER2> I currently use Moneris for an e-commerce site. The application took over 2 months and their fees are quite high. They use PayPal Payment Pro Flow as their gateway. That was probably the only high point on this company as it was easy to integrate with Magento.

For my next startup, I plan on using Pay Pal's simple merchant account. It is easy to setup and has no monthly fees.

Let me know what you end up with.

</comment><comment><USER3> I've gone through <http://www.merchant-accounts.ca/> in the past.</comment>


Ask HN: What open source product has the best onboarding experience? - <AUTHOR> I'm about to release a (possibly me-too, but I'd like to think it's not the case ;) open source CMS. In general, the answers to this post made me rethink how I plan present it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22546737 <comment><USER2> Please post your CMS as a Show HN when it's ready. Email firstname.lastname@example.com for some tips about how best to do that. (Same offer goes for anyone.)

Edit: oh wait, I posted them here: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22336638](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22336638)

</comment><comment><USER3> As far as setting up/integrating into your development environment, providing good and accessible documentation (both tutorials and references) and an opening community - I gotta go with Rust.

</comment><comment><USER4> Vue.js and the surrounding ecosystem vue-cli, vuex, etc... is killer.

</comment><comment><USER5> Webdriver.io has been pretty good with onboarding QA engineers. wdio-cli, install additional services plug and play, excellent documentation to the point where very low coding experience QA can get a project up and running easily.

They have a Gitter also that is one of the more active I've seen. I see people from other OS projects come and ask questions because they're more likely to get a faster response in wdio's than other OS.

</comment><comment><USER6> Spring, the documentation is so good and detailed

</comment><comment><USER7> Have been fond of getSentry's onboarding + team member invites with the ability to easily copy an invite link to team members.

</comment><comment><USER8> i was quite impressed with [https://www.metabase.com/](https://www.metabase.com/), good documentation and a lot of effort to make production level setup very easy

</comment><comment><USER9> Wordpress is famous for its easy guided setup.

Firefox is pretty decent.

Django has a strong intro in tutorial form.

</comment><comment><USER10> Autohotkey</comment>


Cryptocurrency Exchanges Are Getting Hacked Because It's Easy - <AUTHOR> https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-cryptocurrency-exchange-hacks-keep-happening-1531656000 <comment><USER2> So is robbing old ladies...</comment>