How to Leave Work at Work - <AUTHOR> https://hbr.org/2020/02/how-to-leave-work-at-work <comment><USER2> I'm a long-term remote worker. At first it was challenging. After a year of trying to create boundaries, I gave up.

Twice I'd had a 'bad' friday, only to have solutions reveal themselves while I was gardening over the weekend. I realised it did me no harm that my mind strayed to work while gardening, and in fact I was glad of it. So I made a decision to abandon attempts at erecting artificial structure, and quickly realised that trying to impose separations had caused more stress than it resolved.

I found it liberating to stop trying to 'leave work at work', and to not be upset if my thoughts stray to work when I 'should' be off the clock. In return, I stopped trying to block out the rest of my life from my home office. I enjoy a busy life with various community responsibilities and being able to give some attention to these (and family) during 'work hours' is something I value highly. In return I'm happy to perform work activities outside office hours as it suits.

I understand why this won't work for everyone, but for me, trying to set boundaries - which many people had told me was the way to maintain balance - was counter-effective. If anyone is having trouble setting boundaries; consider not.

<comment><USER3> For me the most important thing has been recognizing that I respond better to some boundaries than others.

Time boundaries are notoriously difficult to use well without a coercive force dragging you forward. For folks with executive function difficulties that often turns into the procrastination/anxiety brew that makes them seek out pharmacutical help. But time is often sought after first because it has a seductive simplicity: First you do this for an hour, then you do that...except that you overrun one and have oodles of time leftover for the other.

Place boundaries, on the other hand, work relatively well for me. In that instance the work literally is wherever you left it, and going about your day means checking off a visit to different places. The places can be small: Absolute distance and volume aren't really the issue so much as the perception of travel, and organization emerges from this as a matter of ergonomics. Computers actually make place organization harder because they tend to cram everything together. It takes active resistance.

Social boundaries hold a kind of cross between time and place: Checking in with a person can be challenging if you have to actively enter their space, but easy if you agreed to show up at a common place and time.

<comment><USER4> Place boundaries are much easier for me for the same reasons.

Turns out it's really just different strokes for different folks and everyone's inner world operates in a way that they absolutely require certain things and absolutely should avoid certain others. It's just different for everyone.

I worked out I needed to stop listening to other peoples advice before I became aware of any executive dysfunction, because I realized that other people's advice barely matched up with my personal experience and was largely useless, so I should simply stick to trying things and seeing what works for me vs what doesn't.

I get the feeling the range of inner world's is much more vast and varied than people truly realize. Wish there was a good way to calibrate for that.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Coming close to burnout, I realised the work game is bigger than me.

If _I_ have so much work that I am drowning and people are looking for me to do more and more and more.....

that means _my manager failed_ their Real Time Strategy Game and they need another worker at my level. Maybe that's because the _next_ manager up failed their game, etc etc.

But it doesn't matter why.

I do 9-5. And I go home. That is the employment contract. That is what I do.

I try to make good on my 9-5 so my own self worth is fine. But I only do my job.

<comment><USER6> Many however don't do this and it often reflects badly on those who do try to work normal hours. They essentially set the bar higher and unless you're more efficient, you fall behind in performance assessments or output.

One environment I interact with are all hypercompetitive and I probably look like an idiot to some of leadership because I refuse to work 60 hour work weeks like some of them grind away. If they decide to reduce or remove my services, life goes on, but we're somehow rolling back on labor's mentality about work life balance and being eaten alive by structures in place designed to force us to compete for the lowest rates (by adjusting either work or time in some way, shape, or form).

<comment><USER5> I have managed to find a niche where others are not grind-minded either. I won't pretend to tell you or anyone how to do this given the complexities of everyone's life. I'm sorry, I don't know.

I am obviously not Startup material! :-P I am not management material. I am not an entrepreneur par excellence. I won't die rich.

But I hope to leave the world a better place than it would've been without me, even if only a little bit.

And enjoy it in the meantime.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Personally, the biggest win was to learn how to leave tasks unfinished.

This pays off in two ways - firstly I finish work when I planned to instead of "just five more minutes", which inevitably spins off into a series of open ended diversions. Secondly, it means I can start the next day with something I can sink in to, avoiding the feeling of procrastination and guilt that comes along with that, ultimately resulting in working later to pay back that lost time.

<comment><USER8> I was going to suggest a variation of this idea that I learned about here on Hacker News and have applied successfully since:

 _Try to stop on a bug or error._

Same reasoning you cited with a bonus: when you come back in the morning, you'll have an error message to help you quickly pick up where you left off.

<comment><USER9> Reminds me of the "meanwhile back at the ranch" school of screenwriting: switch to your B story when your A story is at its peak of interest, and switch to your A story when your B story is at its peak. That way when you do switch back you won't have to work (too hard) to keep the audience's interest.

<comment><USER10> Love this whole thread. I thought I'd add a bit more for those who ended up in the same position I ended up in a little while back: if you're ever stuck in a position where you're forced to use an environment where you iterate so slowly that it takes days to a week to get from one error to the next error: take notes along the way as you go. Take notes about things which could be done differently if they weren't stuck a certain way. Not only does it neatly manage deadline anxieties, but it helps you build a map of friction points that are keeping things slower than you'd like, and it gives you the detail you need to slowly build cohesive and persuasive plans for improving the situation.

Of course, the optimal plan at that point could easily be for you (as it was for me) to leave the situation, but even so -- at least it makes that clearer!

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> The thing i struggle with isn't really working extra hours or getting off hour messages. I think those are obvious problems and easy to be aware of.

My biggest problem is just having work thoughts come up, in the shower, eating dinner, on the commute, falling asleep. One time i was on vacation on the other side of the world and out of nowhere i suddenly realized I knew how to handle some problem i was having at work. I wouldn't get back to it for a week, i would need to take notes on my aha moment...

<comment><USER12> I wouldn't really call that a problem, much like "non-work thoughts" will occur while you're "at work" too.

<comment><USER6> I'd say I have a lot more work thoughts invading my personal life than vice versa. When I'm at work I'm expected to pump things out and the cognative load leaves very little room for thoughts to creep in.

On the other hand when I'm relaxed and enjoying free thought, I sometimes can't help but use some of that freetime to think through work problems to reduce work stress. I suppose if my personal time was spent with high cognative load as well, it would be a fair trade off, but after working at high cognative function 40+ hours a week, my personal time tries to be as mentally relaxing as possible.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> To help with the 'defining' bit, I've been making a conscious effort to separate work from home over the past few months in a few ways. Even though I'm at home and nobody sees me most of the time, I get into "work clothes", even if it's just a T-Shirt or polo, and trousers.

At 5-6PM, I'll shutdown the laptop and put it away, out of sight, and get back into "home clothes". The acts, despite its placebo effect, helps immensely in switching to home mode.

<comment><USER14> For people new to working from home, having work clothes is one of the most beneficial things I do personally. I would say over the last 15 years of working remotely this is the most impactful intentional thing I do for my productivity and work life balance.

Plus, it's a super easy thing to try for a few weeks to see if it works for you.

<comment><USER15> I tried it, I don't need it. I guess I understand the point but honestly, I've hated work clothes since jump street.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Tangentially related question for the hackernews audience: When you learn, do you do so on company time or personal time?

I often feel like if I'm not "working" (IE; actually producing something) then I'm somehow cheating the company. This doesn't apply for the simple "trial- and-error" stuff that kind of comes as a part of the job, but sitting down to read a book or watch some tutorials etc; I could never imagine doing in the office.

But this _is_ work according to my long-term partner.

<comment><USER17> Have you ever been able to solve a problem at work that nobody else could, or solve it faster, or cleaner, or more robustly, by virtue of having learned previously about some random topic which you had no idea would one day be applicable to your work? I think most programmers have, and I'd hope that a good boss at a good organization would understand that - as long as you're accomplishing everything that's required of the job - independent learning is a great use of (a reasonable fraction of your) time that will benefit both you and the business.

<comment><USER18> I once "solved" a tricky issue with a random bug in an FPGA processing data from DDR. The issue was hardware "malfunction": DDR can flip some bits if accessed in some ways.

No one on the team did know about that, no one believed my fix could work (a one line for a bug we investigated on and off for months). It did. I had read a computer security article about how row hammer can be used to gain privilege or something and made the connection.

During my yearly evaluation, I mentionned it as the most impact that year. I was nearly laughed at. This bug precluded the product from functioning more than a few minutes, and we targeted at least several hours without any glitch. No one noticed that without me in the team, the product was dead for a few more month at least.

I left a year later. The company is dead now.

<comment><USER19> Wow that's an incredible fix! What an awesome connection to make.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> As the article describes, many points apply to the specific team and team culture.

One of the best things that I did (which was triggered for other reasons) was to remove my work email from my smartphone. When you only have a laptop to get work done and cannot get emails or chat on the device you carry or check throughout your waking hours, the matter of leaving work at work becomes a lot easier. Shutdown your work laptop around a specific hour everyday and you're (mostly) free.

If you're not compelled, I would strongly recommend doing the same. This doesn't mean that you will not work after working hours (there may be times when it's required), but you certainly won't be distracted by notifications and slipping into work unnecessarily when it's clearly not urgent. If you do not have a work provided smartphone and are using your personal device, then this is also safer for you since MDM policies are applied even on employee- owned devices and (depending on the OS) give a lot of information about your device/apps/usage and control on the device to your employer. I don't see any reason why I should do that with any employer.

Once you stop sending emails or responding to emails at odd hours (meaning, post normal working hours), others will usually get the hint and stop treating email with the same urgency as phone calls.

</comment><comment><USER21> tl;dr

Step 1: Define "After Hours"

Step 2: Have Mental Clarity

Step 3: Communicate with Your Colleagues

Step 4: Get Work Done at Work

And I will add my own personal experience:

Step 5: Realize you (probably) work a B.S. job[1].

I realized I was dedicating my precious life to the pursuit of profit for people at the very top to the detriment of my own well being. If my job disappeared tomorrow, would society be negatively impacted in any meaningful way? No, in fact it might even improve. Realizing this, I just stopped caring about expectations to sacrifice any more time than necessary to my job.

[1] [https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/bullshit-jobs-david- graeb...](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/bullshit-jobs-david-graeber-work- service)

<comment><USER22> #5. Amen. My blue collar friend has a saying - "8 and gate". I used to spend lots of time at work trying to get something finished. Or started. Or whatever. But at the end of the day I'm not getting paid for that, or praised for that. And if it doesn't get done today, or tomorrow - the world won't end. And I could be doing something more productive like exercising, spending time with my kids, etc. etc.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> I encouraged my girlfriend to get a separate cellphone. As a kindergarten teacher it doesn't seem obvious, it is incredible how much they plan and discuss after hours. Now she switches off her phone and enjoys her leisure.

</comment><comment><USER24> One way to avoid work from home, is to pick a profession where your work is simply unable to follow you home.

Sounds obvious as hell, but it's true - some professions, even in tech, come with the benefit that you're not allowed to bring your work home.

Some people will probably say "but that just makes you stay longer at work", well - yes and no. Completely depends on your work guidelines. Some workplaces have stringent rules, and will practically shoo you home/refuse you OT if you work too much OT.

</comment><comment><USER25> I'm a solo founder working from home, and even though I'm kicking goals with the startup, I'm really having struggles with separating work from the rest of my life within my headspace. For quite some time, I've been waking up at 3am with work thoughts perhaps twice a week, and will struggle to go back to sleep.

Does anyone have any advice, beyond what this article mentions?

<comment><USER19> Sometimes I wake in a panic with something I need to remember to do. Keeping a notebook by the bed really helps me. I jot down whatever it was, which makes me feel like I've "dealt" with it, even though that only means it's on my to do list or just out of my head so I won't forget it.

I've also found making a list of things I want to do tomorrow and writing them down helps me not have those panic wake ups in the first place.

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> The reason you should leave work at work is it keeps work out of play, which is the most efficient thing to do

</comment><comment><USER27> I've found partitions helpful. Slack is work, Discord is personal. Email is personal, Twitter is work.

<comment><USER28> This helps on mobile the most IMO. While Android can have separate profiles it's just so convenient to switch apps instead. At least for those who don't already have a separate work phone

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> Are you working from home or are you _living at work_?</comment>


Ad-blocker blocking websites face legal peril at hands of privacy bods - <AUTHOR> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/23/anti_ad_blockers_face_legal_challenges/ <comment><USER2> This.

This is a beautiful thing.

On one hand, I hate the cookies notification message. I think that they are stupid, but that may just be because I have always browsed the web with them, and perhaps don't know any better. If someone has a good argument for the message, then I would be truly interested in hearing it.

On the other hand, I greatly dislike the manner, type, and (often underhanded) actions of most ad networks, and refuse to turn off my ad blocker for these sites, even if they withhold their content. The fact that this law may be interpreted in this manner is, in a word, hilarious, in that it is seemingly unrelated, and yet it may benefit us all.</comment>


Valve is convicted in France for banning the resale of dematerialized games - <AUTHOR> https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/d6cclt/steam_valve_is_convicted_in_france_for_banning/f0rqo7p/ <comment><USER2> Hot take: the likely response from AAA publishers will be "that's OK, we don't sell games anymore just LIVE SERVICES"

<comment><USER3> They basically already do, considering most new console games refuse to start without a working internet connection.

I had a service outage from my ISP the other day, so I figured I'd play some offline AC:Odyssey. Imagine my surprise when it refused to launch (from the disc, no less) without a connection.

<comment><USER4> not most games, most games by Ubisoft, and probably EA

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Better than previous case where German court decided games are "works of art", thus licensed not sold :/ [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/10/german- court-rul...](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/10/german-court-rules- against-rights-to-resell-steam-games/) It was a BS ruling, basically saying if you bundle a song and pretty graphic in your program its no longer "just" software and rule of exhaustion doesnt apply.

</comment><comment><USER5> Doesn't this have implications for any industry that sells a digital product? Games, music, movies/tv, software, etc?

<comment><USER6> It _should_. Digital asset rights should be universal regardless of digital asset. We'll see how the courts respond.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Well, Valve will either have to make a specific part of the store for re- selling games in France, or roll it out to all customers.

I think they'll roll it out to just France.

It's also frustrating when the legal system works so slow that competitors like Epic, Origin, et al. don't have to abide by this ruling yet.

<comment><USER6> Valve may not be able to confine any such thing to France.

One article I read said France is fighting the issue in a way under EU laws that the rest of the EU should be able to adopt the judgment quickly thereafter, though it may take a few more court cases to do it, as it partly depends on whether Valve appeals the case enough. (The semi-ironic risk versus reward of the appeals process pushing it closer to EU courts, versus overturning France's decision here.)

I'm still somewhat upset that the GDPR writers knew digital asset rights would be the "next fight" after a lot of the privacy concerns were addressed but explicitly kicked the can on it (a brief like half paragraph about how they considered it but ignored it). This fight maybe increases the likelihood we could see some future GDPR-like bill for digital assets rights.

Such an EU-wide measure might be real hope that, like the GDPR, it would apply quickly to other competitors and generally worldwide since the EU market is big enough (and covers its citizens even when residing in non-EU nation states) that it would be too much work to run two systems.

(Aside: my personal fascination is how long it may take us to start fighting over digital asset inheritance laws, given that most terms of service agreements imply that services do not survive their owner.)</comment></comment>


Hacker taps into baby monitor, shouts at sleeping infant - <AUTHOR> http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2014/04/29/hacker-taps-into-baby-monitor-shouts-at-sleeping-infant/ <comment><USER2> [http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/01/bug-exposes-ip-cameras- ba...](http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/01/bug-exposes-ip-cameras-baby- monitors/)

"The issue came to light on the company's support forum after camera experts discovered that the Web interface for many Foscam cameras can be accessed simply by pressing "OK" in the dialog box when prompted for a username and password."

I understand that using this security hole to yell at a baby makes you a terrible person, but I'm also appalled at the company that made that situation possible for so many of its customers.

<comment><USER3> It takes a reasonably intelligent programmer to identify a security hole, and an entire team of foolish programmers to let one through. It's quite evident that this company only has the latter.

<comment><USER4> It's not a team, all you need is one fucking idiot who sometime in the 80s once wrote some software that ended up on a satellite. After that everyone will believe whatever that idiot says.

I once spent two hours arguing as to why using a single static AES key for encryption on an app used by millions of people rather than just use SSL was a bad idea, they talked about how secure it was, etc, etc.

After that frustration I went drinking, when I came back, I discovered that their shitty encryption system had a 4 byte field for how big the message was, I sent 256 requests 20 byte requests to that system with message 'sizes' of 0xFFFFFF00-0xFFFFFFFF and watched as the server consumed about 64 GB of RAM before falling over. (It was a .NET app so a request of that size has to go into gen3, since the subsequent requests are larger they can't reuse the existing block)

Then I openly mocked them in the next meeting, they still went with their shitty encryption system because it was 'good enough' and apparently faster than SSL.

<comment><USER5> I hate when this occurs, people would rather go with their implementation rather than have their own pride suffer.

<comment><USER6> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> An internet routable camera in the house with a voice channel is _the exact kind of thing_ that should have a two-plus factor authentication, strong tls capabilities, responds only to pre-approved IP address ranges, and any other paranoid security practice that you can come up with.

In fact any tin foil class practice in these situations is worthwhile.

<comment><USER8> On the other hand, new parents are probably really stressed out (being awoken in the middle of the night, etc.) so I wonder whether parents would be willing to put up with two-factor auth on such a camera.

<comment><USER9> Is opening your laptop, waiting for it to pull up the site, load the feed, wait until your eyes can actually focus, faster then walking 10-20 feet down a hall to another room?

Maybe I just don't understand the company's target use case not having children of my own.

<comment><USER10> I'm thinking checking your phone while you are at dinner is probably a little faster than walking back to the house. And having a window up an running while you are in another room working is also probably faster. The baby is supposed to be sleeping, you don't need to walk into the room every 5 minutes to check. I'm also going to guess the use case is NOT for people without children.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> > a hacker accessed a Houston couple's device and called their 2-year-old a > slut

Sorry, this is just hilarious; partly because the journalist doesn't put the degradation in quotes.

<comment><USER12> "scare" quotes. Literally.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> > Heather picked up her mobile phone and accessed the camera to check on her > 10-month-old daughter Emma's room.

She didn't just walk into her baby's room after hearing a man's voice?

<comment><USER14> Checking the camera is a reflex you develop after the third time you get up and go to the baby's room seconds after hearing them cry, to find them sleeping.

<comment><USER15> Perhaps it's a cultural thing. When my Northern Irish colleague was raising a family in Hong Kong, he would let his baby cry in her cot for five to ten minutes before going into the room.

Nothing unusual, that's generally what we do here. The baby will often settle back to sleep and learn that crying doesn't always result in attention.

But the neighbours in his apartment were aghast and would immediately knock at his door, panicking because his baby was crying and berating him for 'abandoning' her! And the next day they would continue the chastisement; apparently the local custom was to pick up a crying baby immediately.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Does thinking this is hilarious make me a bad person?

<comment><USER17> A little bit.

In all reason, a child that age has very little memory, and loud noise are not exactly rare in his environment, so… it is a _little_ funny. I think reading in Feynman lectures would be funnier, but then again, I'm not comedian.

<comment><USER18> > has very little memory

Not true at all. Yes, they won't remember specific events, but they certainly do remember they way things work, and they now have a fear response to a certain kind of voice.

It hopefully will fade, but not necessarily. I've met babies (and one toddler) who were scared of men but not women.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> This isn't even the first time this has happened, if I remember correctly. There are thousands of unsecured devices out there that no one will ever secure, because they were never registered, just plug and play devices bought at Target for $20. It's an insoluble problem unless someone writes an invasive fix-it worm or something.

<comment><USER20> As far as I'm concerned, Foscam cameras (the type in the story) are not securable. The firmware is complete trash. I have one and it is loaded with bugs. At least twice now I've gotten an urgent email telling me to update my firmware because of an exploit. I blocked mine on my router from accessing the Internet.

To give you notifications, it wants you to put in your email password, instant messenger password, ftp password, basically almost a dozen things. that could destroy your life if hacked. And this buggy, remotely exploitable camera wants you to trust it with all of them.

</comment></comment><comment> throwaway-9684 It's most likely that the "hacker" in news is from /g/. Every so often he has been posting videos on YouTube where he's yelling at people with unsecured IP cams. [https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S41535725](https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S41535725)

<comment><USER18> It's one thing to yell at an adult, it takes a different kind of nasty creature to yell at a baby.

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> It's funny that "Schreck" is German for fear/fright/shock.

</comment><comment><USER22> "Heather picked up her mobile phone and accessed the camera to check on her 10-month-old daughter Emma's room."

There's a man's voice coming from my 10 month-old daughter's room ... should I check my phone or get out of bed and _RUN_ over to make sure she's not being kidnapped, molested, etc? This mother's reaction makes me think she'll be texting her (soon to be) teen-age daughter at the dinner table instead of making conversation.

</comment><comment><USER23> As an owner of one of these cameras I remember being appalled at how difficult it was to actually secure, how many settings needed to be changed, and how bad the defaults were. Foscam cameras are practically shipped open and insecure by default, and it's not a stretch to say that you need to be a security-minded technophile to figure out how to lock them down properly.

They make commercial routes look positively impregnable by comparison.

</comment><comment><USER24> Well, while, obviously, this is atrocious behavior on the part of the hacker, I can't quite relate. I hovered over my kids and I can't imagine sticking my infant so far away from myself that a baby monitor would be necessary. I never used one. I think that's generally not a good use for modern tech. I think it's the kind of thing that falls under "what's wrong with the world today."

</comment><comment><USER25> It's both amazing and scary that this kind of vulnerability is fairly common. Check out this great talk given at Defcon ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cWck_xcH64](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cWck_xcH64)) to get an idea of the magnitude. These are systems that do not require any kind of tampering or credentials. Most times credentials are given to you in a prompt!

</comment><comment><USER26> The baby monitor we used, while without camera, wasn't even digital/internet based nor encrypted. Once we heard a kid call for "mama" before our baby could even speak. Wonder how many people listened in on us.

</comment><comment><USER27> With the rise of things like shodan this will probably become a lot more common until people either stop caring to exploit them or the vendors fix it.

</comment><comment><USER28> why does the listening end of the monitor have a speaker? My (non-video, non- IP) baby monitors are strictly one-way.

<comment><USER23> These cameras aren't baby monitors per se, they're designed for surveilling a space. They have both a microphone for listening and a speaker for... shouting at ne'er-do-wells stealing your stuff, presumably.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> It's probably even easier to view the feed from my 2.4GHz baby monitor, but at least you have to be in range...!

</comment><comment><USER30> Slightly off-topic: isn't it a bit weird for them to air two stories criticizing IP cameras in a row?

</comment><comment><USER31> "Shouts at sleeping infant"

I hate that kind of sensationalist, link baiting journalism.

<comment><USER14> Both the title and the article seemed pretty objective to me. In this case, the facts are truly sensational. What looks linkbaity to you?

<comment><USER17> The facts are there, but they might be framed in a wait to make them come off as worst, or more impressive than they really are, hiding a more representative reality.

To take a controversial example: Pointing out how many hardened criminals are from a certain ethnic background might be true, yet without precautions about discrimination, correlation between economic opportunities, expectation once jailed a first time, attitude of parole system… it can come off as racist, because it over-simplifies a problem. In many cases, say point out the gender breakdown of declared sexual assaillants, take a minority behaviour to placate it to a larger group.

In that case, the title seems to imply (although, does not say) that the 'hacker' was a threat to the baby. He never actually was: yelling at a baby is callous coming from an adult, but their siblings probably do that daily. More to the point, it gives the impression that accessing a home connexion is about bodily harm and threats to physically fragile people -- or even heartless pranks. Truth is: the real issue is a lot more about accessing your digital assets, identity and bank account.

<comment><USER32> I'm curious how you would have written the headline, since you seem to be wading through a very large miasma of implications in order to come to your conclusions.

<comment><USER17> I would rather consider a study on the ratio of home appliances, mainly routers and computers, that have been tapered with -- from a large and representative sample. I would measure actual damages, intent and describe insulting an infant as a "careless prank" without giving much more detail. I would probably focus my angle on security updates, and consider practices: namely, what was said higher up about parents being tired and most likely sensitive to simpler authentification protocol. I would actually like to investigate why so many people are dubious of updates.

> miasma of implications

I'm not sure that tone applies.

An infant has bare social skills, little idea of property beyond holding and no lasting memory; it is therefore far less sensitive to the threat of 'hacking' than its parents. I don't see any _miasma_ in "implying" ( _nota_ : I was being careful because you come off as very anal) that it was used as a symbol of frailty that needs protected — a symbol that only makes sense in an inappropriate physical interpretation of the event.

Then again: You were the one asking why that title could be seen as inappropriate. Could. I answered that. I didn't claim my answer was purely objective: interpreting representativity never entirely is.

I will now remember not to answer questions you ask, certainly in a way that could possibly change your position: you obviously don't like that. In a related concern: why the f-ck is someone so bigoted doing on HackerNews?

<comment><USER32> ...okay.

1) I'm not the person you think you're responding to.

2) You're objectively _lying_ about what you're responding to.

3) What position did I take, precisely, that you'd like to change?

4) Have you considered learning how to read? Because being incapable of it is the most charitable conclusion I can draw from your comment... and that's not even bothering with the original topic.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> Wake up baby! Wake up baby!</comment>


I started a startup that aggregates web-tools for startups. Thoughts? - <AUTHOR>

The site functionality is very much a work in progress, yet I would still love to hear feedbaack from more people. Thanks!<p>www.startuptoolshop.com <comment><USER2> Interesting concept. I am getting a few DB errors when I try to show the product sites or report an error.

Cool MVP

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks. We're still working through the kinks in the PHP but we're confident this will be smoothed out soon. We wanted to get something up there that people could start using right away.</comment></comment>


Thoreau and Civil Disobedience [video] - <AUTHOR> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gugnXTN6-D4 <comment><USER2> The original essay is eminently readable and, in my opinion, inspirational: [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/71](https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/71).

Under 10,000 words, funny, and insightful. It tells of a man who didn't just complain but acted on his conscience. Gandhi and MLK followed in his footsteps.

</comment><comment><USER3> "They may torture my body, break my bones, even kill me. Then they will have my dead body, but not my obedience."

<comment><USER4> Which is a great attitude to take until you run into someone who's okay with having your dead body.

<comment><USER5> Killing the person you are to keep a person you're not alive for a bit _and then still dying at some point_ seems like a really bad trade-off to me; and if all people always had thought that way, you and I would have been born chained to a wall.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Interesting, I had not realized how much today resembles the mid 19th century.

</comment><comment><USER7> I'm glad to see that after 8 years civil disobedience is once again acceptable.</comment>


Google Mobile Sex Advice Boosted Cheating in Uganda - <AUTHOR> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-05/google-sex-advice-boosted-cheating-in-mobile-health-study.html

<comment><AUTHOR> While I didn't work directly on this project, I do work at Grameen Foundation on the open source maternal health system mentioned at the end of the article. (<https://code.google.com/p/motech/> and <http://www.motechsuite.org/>)

I think it is an interesting story about unintended outcomes, the need to experiment, measure and stop when things aren't proceeding as expected. I'd also personally like to see and hear more on hacker news about the use of technology and open source in the non-profit sector so I figured I'd post an article.</comment>


Why Sheryl Sandberg is Wrong About Women - <AUTHOR> http://feefighters.com/blog/why-sheryl-sandberg-is-wrong-about-women/

<comment><USER2> The gender gap argument never held much weight for me... there are a number of studies saying that if you adjust for a certain number of factors, the gap is pretty narrow (IE women who didn't take time off to have kids, etc)

While women now make up a majority of college students, there is also a factor of what they study. They make up just a third of top-tier b-schools, for one thing, and a smaller number at engineering schools.

Here's an interesting study: Women don't negotiate... [http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_economist/2006/07/menstrua...](http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_economist/2006/07/menstruation.html)

<comment><USER3> Its not really fair to adjust for factors such as not taking time off to have kids. There are a number of biological reasons why it makes sense for women to be more involved in the early stages of rearing children than men (for example - only women can breastfeed).

For career focused women it is a very big problem that many career paths don't allow an easy way to take time off (or even just slow down a little bit) for children and then come back to reasonable opportunities.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> The study from 2009 is indeed a publication from 2009. When I trace it to yet another web site, I find that the citation for the US figure is from a study of 1998. But it mentions "social construction", so I guess it's scholarly.</comment>


TI releases Launchpad, a $4.30 (shipping included) microproccessor dev kit - <AUTHOR> http://hackaday.com/2010/06/22/ti-makes-a-big-bid-for-the-hobby-market/ <comment><USER2> Summary for Reference: Smaller package, 1/8th the memory of an Arduino.

2k ROM, 128 bytes of RAM, 10 IO lines, 8 ADC inputs on one variant, 200ksps with sample and hold. Very low power consumption (if you make it work that way).

$0.75 for the microcontroller in volume.

I need to read more about the USB interface. I suspect it can be used to communicate with the serial controller while the chip runs, which with the right software could make it be a nice way to build small USB controlled devices and sensors.

<comment><USER3> Thanks for the tl;dr, I'm left wondering about the state of the software to actually program and deploy code to the device though. From what I saw on HackADay, it appears the two supported IDEs are Windows only (utterly unacceptable, for me). (I know, the gcc port is there, but it's pretty incomplete, from my understanding)

This leaves me, a relative newbie to embedded dev, what kind of pitfalls I'd run into if I tried to purchase one of these.

It's incredibly frustrating, after years of being in a relative comfort zone with the realm of general desktop/server software, to try to learn more about embedded, and then be uncertain as to what materials you even need.

<comment><USER4> I have the same newbie issues, but it's $4.30. Worst case, it's totally useless to me, and I'm out the cost of a latte.

<comment><USER5> Cheaper than going to a movie and, for the hacker-minded, almost certain to be at least as entertaining as many movies.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Any hardware hackers on HN? I bought an Arduino board a few months ago and ended up blowing out the few LEDs the kit came with because I didn't understand how resistors/volts etc. worked. Can anyone direct me to a guide on electronics specifically for small hardware hacking? I'm certain taking EE classes or reading Physics/Electronics books would help but it would also take a lot of time. I'd rather concentrate on writing neat software once the hardware is wired up. Is there a guide to learning the basics of hardware so I can get started with Arduino and maybe LaunchPad?

Edit: Thanks everyone for the links. These are pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Hopefully I'll hack up some interesting stuff soon :)

<comment><USER7> If Radio Shack still sells the Forrest Mims book I'd pick that up. It's a great book.

<comment><USER8> I was going to suggest the Mims books as well. He had quite a few of them.

I have several (or did at one point); the basic electronics is a decent intro, and then there are good ones on op-amps and the 555 timer. If you are totally new to hardware hacking it might not be a waste of your time to play around a little with some of those circuits just so you can learn how to wire up an IC on a breadboard.

Plus even if you only think you're going to do embedded systems stuff, eventually you're going to want to interface with the rest of the world without going through a PC, and knowing a little about analog circuits or old- school TTL will come in handy.

They were great books and it's a sad commentary on Radio Shack if they no longer carry them.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Extremely aggressive price for the microprocessor, but there are large hidden software costs. Their proprietary IDE is listed at $445 (<http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ccstudio.html>)

<comment><USER10> The free IDE should be adequate for this and there is a port of GCC for the controller.

<comment><USER11> It, however, is Windows-only.

I have downloaded it and will try to run it under Wine, but I bet it won't like the USB.

<comment><USER12> Please update us with your findings once you try it.

<comment><USER11> Failed miserably. Parts of the software install, parts don't and, in general, it seems dysfunctional.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Shouldn't we s/microprocessor/microcontroller/g ?

It looks like these the are the chips we are talking about

<http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/msp430g2211.html>

<http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/msp430g2231.html>

</comment><comment><USER14> Bad choice of name IMO considering the market, could easily be confused with: <https://launchpad.net/>

On the other hand:

 _So here it is: Launchpad will set you back four dollars and thirty cents. And for now shipping is included._

Holy crap, that's an awesome price!

</comment><comment><USER15> That is an impressive price point. I've always been a bit surprised at how expensive the arduino is, specifically that as it's become super popular and companies are actually selling decent volumes of it, the price point has not gone down remarkably (or at all?).

<comment><USER16> The arduino doesn't seem that expensive to me. It's sure no $4, but $29 seems fantastically modest. You say 'thats too much to put in a product', but I don't think it was ever meant to be in shipping products.

The whole shields part gets expensive though.

<comment><USER15> True - but imagine if there was one in all your consumer electronics, with a usb port and all the code is open source. I think we'd see the pace of innovation speed up a lot, and electronics would start to be a little bit more personalized and friendly than they are today.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> We use MSP430s at work albeit much larger versions with more RAM and peripherals. MSPs are pretty nice processors if you need something really low power and they have some models with built-in USB endpoints, which means you don't have to add an FTDI chip or similar.

From the looks of it TI used another micro to generate the JTAG interface via USB. In the past they used a USB chip with built in 8051 to turn USB into JTAG. It's kind of a hassle but just having the USB part on the experimenter board is worth the money since you can use it as a USB-serial converter (I think.)

As to the development tools: CodeComposer is great if you already know Eclipse and the code size limit is high enough that you can still do some real work. IAR is good too but the full version is much more expensive than CCS so we're going with CCS.

Haven't tried the GCC msp backend.

</comment><comment><USER18> Getting started with a Launchpad is actually cheaper than getting started with a similarly-sized AVR. The 20-pin ATtiny2313 is $2.88 from SparkFun. The programmer + shipping will throw the cost to about $30.

Although I suspect these "value-line" microcontrollers aren't quite as powerful as an AVR.

<comment><USER19> The 2313 should be similar in power, it has up to 18 I/O lines instead of 10 and an additional 128B of EEPROM and 2 ADCs, which is two more than the MSP430G2211 and six less than the 2231 [edit: and the TI ADCs might be faster]. But at $2.88 you are being seriously ripped off, I pay 1.10€ at reichelt.de including 19% sales tax, and as far as I can remember, the Euro is still unter US$2.00

</comment></comment><comment><USER20> A bit off topic, but related....does anyone know of a website for industrial automation parts for bulding custom automated "machines"?

Specifically what I am in need of right now is a low cost solution for automatically proportioning (by weight) pet treats. They are an odd shape and a bit sticky so our existing machine can't seem to cope with them, and apparently a proper machine which _can_ handle it is ~ $100k.

So in the meantime I thought perhaps a person could take some off the shelf parts and build something from scratch.

Anyone have any insight on this??

<comment><USER21> That's not a difficult task unless I misunderstand you. I have a load cell with a weighing platform somewhere in my garage and never got around to using it.

What part are you having trouble sourcing? For general electromechanical components, MSC, Small Parts, McMaster-Carr are my usual go-to places. Are you looking to build a machine that can take pet treats from a hopper and bag them by weight? That's a pretty straightfoward task: the 100k pricetag probably has more to do with speed/throughput and low economies of scale than anything else.

PM/email me if you need more help.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> What would you build with this? [genuine question]

<comment><USER21> Hmmm:

A complex LED flasher? Maybe one that instead of flashing, smoothly fades the LEDs in or out?

Want to run that lawnmower more efficiently and cleanly? Be the first on your block with a mower that has an onboard engine management controller.

Of course: robots, robots, robots.

A Newton's laws demonstrator that times how long it takes from when you release it to when it hits the floor and uses that to calculate the initial height. Bonus points if it displays G force when it hits the ground so you can experiment with different types of padding.

A temperature controller for your overclocked game machine?

And that's just simple hobby stuff without even getting into real industrial uses!

I love being a hardware hacker!

<comment><USER23> Am I right that most uses of this would rely on plugging in sensors and other devices for it to monitor or control?

<comment><USER21> Yes, it's just a computer, albeit a very specialized one. And like any computer, it's useless without I/O

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> Am I the only one who can't find a link in the article that actually links to a store where you can buy it? I can't even find it with a Google search; no direct hits and the ones that look like they might lead near it on TI.com time out.

<comment><USER25> It's on the wiki. [http://www.ti- estore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&...](http://www.ti- estore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MSP-EXP430G2)

But the store doesn't seem to load :(

<comment><USER16> Their entire store seems to be bogged down right now, probably give it a few hours.

<comment><USER10> few hours seems at this point bit optimistic. 5 hours later and constantly getting 502 Proxy Error. At least earlier it loaded after some tries.

This hopefully means also that there will be quite a community when everyone gets their order.

edit: I made order from Mouser. Free shipping too, and their website actually works :)

<comment><USER16> Free shipping? Is that cause you got in the order before they were backordered?

<comment><USER10> Actually no. Mousers checkout page was just buggy (showed 0,00 as shipping costs), but after few emails the truth was revealed; they want 20 for shipping apparently

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> Duh.. tried to order it, but TI's e-store is missing my country (Estonia) :S

</comment><comment><USER27> It is strange that the IDEs are not free.

<comment><AUTHOR> It says they are free:

>two free IDEs; Code Composer Studio 4 and IAR Embedded Workbench Kickstart

Kickstart is Windows-only and Code Composer seems to be an Eclipse plugin (so cross-platform, but not lightweight like Arduino's minimalist IDE).

<comment><USER27> I meant free as in freedom...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> TI's site seems to be down. Are there any vendors selling these?

<comment><USER4> I got through eventually. It took several tries, though.

<comment><USER29> I don't know if we can buy this from their website. I contacted one of the authorized distributor agent. She said she is going to find details and let me know. I am very excited with the price and ready to buy

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> TI just got out of prison too.

</comment><comment><USER31> The specifications of this board detail that it comes with a 32 kHz crystal, but the specifications of the MSP430 micro controller family says that they run at 16 MIPS. Anyone got any details on this? Can the board simply be fitted with a faster crystal? Please, no "it actually executes 500 instructions per clock cycle" jokes.

<comment><USER32> There's an internal oscillator on the uC.

"32kHz crystal increases MSP430 MCUs' integrated digitally controlled oscillator to real-time accuracy for various peripherals and timers"

But even running at 32kHz you can do real work, probably even run a MUMPS deployment.</comment></comment>


75 Percent of Individuals Use Same Password for Social Networking and Email - <AUTHOR> http://www.securityweek.com/study-reveals-75-percent-individuals-use-same-password-social-networking-and-email

<comment><USER2> Isn't email the only password that 'really' matters?

Barring super-secure sites like banks, if you have the email password, you have every 'forgot my password' link available - which will typically either let you reset the password, locking the user out, or even send you the password itself!

This fact made me stop caring too much about varying individual 'random site' passwords - I just make sure to use a unique for my email.

<comment><USER3> Email passwords matter more, but it's not the only one. If you use the same password for a random forum as you do for Facebook, that could still get you in a fair amount of (social) trouble.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> My method of "remembering" passwords, yet not using the same password for everything, is that I created a simple hash function which I can compute in my head.

I take the name of the website I'm visiting as the input for the hash.

Probably not the safest method of creating passwords, but it's practical in that I get a unique password per site... and I access my list of unique passwords anywhere I go.

<comment><USER5> Sounds risky. After all there is at least one website where they now know that strategy and have access to your password for that site.

<comment><USER4> It's not perfect.

But given a seemingly random string of characters, is it easy to deduce the exact hash function that I use?

<comment><USER5> I don't know, let's have some examples ;)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> "Additionally, the study revealed that 87 percent of email IDs, user names, and passwords gathered from various sources were still active."

That is a pretty strong case of using an OAuth account that can show you everything that is authorized. I have no idea how many old "jaxn" accounts from the Web2.0 phase are active and forgotten.

I would imagine that 75% figure is pretty close to the percentage of people who use the same password for pretty much everything. I would also imagine that at least 75% of HNers are in the other 25%.

</comment><comment><USER7> I don't use the same password for every website, but I do use slight permutations. (For example, adding extra numbers or letters onto the end of a longer random letter and number root password that I have memorized.)

Of course this is probably not the best technique, but its probably secure enough. In addition, I do use alternate passwords for sites that I don't trust. So, for example, I would never use a permutation of my email password for a random site on the internet.

<comment><USER6> I take a slightly different approach. I use the permutation method for most websites, but then I have long, random, and unique password for the key stuff like banking, primary email, and servers.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> KeePassX + Dropbox = no more need to remember passwords.

Although KeePass is annoyingly fussy about concurrent access to the database. I should investigate if there are other options that also will work across Linux, Mac, iOS, Android, and Windows.

<comment><USER9> 1Password just announced a Windows version to complement their existing, amazing Mac program. They also have iPhone/iPad versions. Doesn't help you with Linux though.

<http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password>

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> I use a system of increasingly difficult and unique passwords.

Level 1: Social networks, forums, etc. simple 8 character alphanumeric.

Level 2: iTunes, ebay, amazon. Longer alphanumeric with variations unique to each site.

Level 3: Paypal, email, banking. Longer alphanumeric + special characters and completely unique for each site.

Others: Some sites, like my ISP and bank send the password only by snail mail (I had to change my password once for DSL. It was not pretty). This goes into a lockbox.

I'm looking into applications like 1Password.

</comment><comment><USER11> I use <http://supergenpass.com/> which generates a password by hashing a single password with the website's domain name (and since it's all in Javascript you can host the code from your own domain)

<comment><USER12> Pwdhash is another option. There's a firefox plugin for it that I use.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> Just throwing the solutions I've found onto the suggestion heap... I prefer to keep all my passwords in an encrypted flat text file, for one thing because I keep more than web site passwords in there, so web-specific password managers don't meet all my needs.

If you're an Emacs user, as of version 23 or so GNU Emacs can transparently read and write GnuPG-encrypted .txt.gpg (or .org.gpg, or...) files. Not that there aren't plenty other ways to save encrypted text, but it's nice to have something that's integrated into the program you spend half your time in anyway...

If you use Windows but not Emacs, Steganos LockNote is a free, minimalist program offering symmetric AES encryption — it's a standalone .exe containing both the program and your data, so you just double-click on the .exe "document" to open your encrypted file in a Notepad-like interface. I doubt it has been vetted to the extent that GnuPG has, but it's surely enough to keep your average laptop thief from getting all your passwords.

</comment><comment><USER14> I use a unique generated password for every instance. Then I store these passwords in yaml files on an encrypted partition on my harddrive that is unlocked by a keyfile on a usb stick. I wrote a little script that searches these yaml files and automatically copies the password found for a given key (usually a site nickname, like "hn") to the clipboard, so I can just paste it in. This is both convenient and allows me to use a unique, strong password for every site and service I use.

</comment><comment><USER15> I'm not surprised; I used to do the same.

A few months ago I started using KeePass for storing _everything_ , and it's worked out really well for me (I wrote a post about it, plus some tips n' tricks, here: <http://www.loopycode.com/solving-sign-up-anxiety/.>)

<comment><USER16> A nice side-benefit of KeePass is that it enables you to use randomly- generated answers to mandatory "security" questions.

I can put a 32-character alphanumeric string as my answer to "what is your mother's maiden name?" or "what city were you born in?" and store the answers in the KeePass entry.

The only downside is that since I also create a unique email address for everything, it can become a bit tedious to sign up for a new service and generate the email address and password.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> If you use a Mac...

<http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password>

Absolutely fantastic.

</comment><comment><USER18> I use the same password for everything - just me?

<comment><USER19> Definitely not just you-- that's the point of the article.

Most people aren't aware of the dangers, though. Are you?

<comment><USER18> yea. password managers suck though. and remembering numerous passwords is really hard.

<comment><USER6> Hence the suggestions for passwords that are a variation on a theme: PclarkYcombinator123$%^

      PclarkGmail123$%^

<comment><USER20> The problem with that approach is that once someone figures out 1 of your passwords "PclarkUnsecureWebsite123$%^", it becomes easy for them to guess "PclarkGmail123$%^".

<comment><USER6> Yes, but that is if someone is looking at it. It is not easy for them to script if they stole a database of accounts and passwords.

I am under the impression direct, targeted attacks are pretty rare, and that most of the purpose of a password is to prevent wide-spread automated attacks.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> I am not surprised the least about this article.

There are ample examples on the Internet on how hackers manage to exploit one vulnerability, obtain a password, and then cause all sorts of damage since people tend to use the same password almost everywhere.

Getting someone's information and exploiting it has become so easy with social networking, it is frightening. This article <http://l.niden.net/identitytheft> demonstrates how someone can use your social circle to steal your identity. It is definitely not a far fetched story - it is reality and most people seem to ignore it.

Let us not forget the debacle of Rock You (<http://l.niden.net/rockyou- cleartextpasswords>) where they were storing passwords in clear text. Once the hacker got in, he had everyone's password for that service and for many others I'm sure.

I would be very interested to see what is the percentage of Facebook users that use passwords like: 'password', '123456', 'letmein' etc. I know my brother in law was one of them....

I wonder if any people from that 75% have heard of services like LastPass? (<http://lastpass.com>).</comment>


To Keep Track of Reddit Conversations Around NYT Articles, We Built a Slack Bot - <AUTHOR> https://open.nytimes.com/to-keep-track-of-reddit-discussions-around-new-york-times-content-we-built-a-slack-bot-4d9e6484f8dd <comment><USER2> Good on them! Being able to view responses to their content is ideal for both the publisher and the readers, this seems like it's the internet working at its best.

I wonder how viable this might be as a service?

Side note: The current title ("NYT Tracks Reddit Conversations Around nytimes.com Content") is quite editorialized, and somewhat misleading.

</comment><comment><USER3> I would wager they are doing the same thing for HN. Also of note, ever since I started coming back here for the first time in several years, I couldn't help but notice the high percentage of NYT articles posted here. I'm not saying they don't fit the HN mold/interest bucket, but I was just surprised to see so many headlines from them here, on HN, so regularly. I think NYT is playing a strong grassroots/AstroTurf/social media game.

<comment><USER4> FWIW, nytimes.com accounts for ~4% of all posts that appear on the HN homepage: [https://toddwschneider.com/dashboards/hacker-news- trends/?q=...](https://toddwschneider.com/dashboards/hacker-news- trends/?q=nytimes.com&f=domain&s=text&m=frac_items&t=year)

<comment><USER5> That's quite a lot! One of every 25, so probably at least one on the front page at any time? Are there domains that account for considerably more than 4%? Would be interesting to see a top ten list.

<comment><USER4> nytimes.com is #3 domain of late, really #2 behind only github.com if you exclude ycombinator.com (all of the Shows, Asks, etc.)

Top 10 domains by # of items on front page since 1/1/18:

       rank |     domain      | count
      </comment></comment></comment></comment><comment>+</comment><comment></comment><comment>-----+</comment><comment>-
          1 | github.com      |  2041
          2 | ycombinator.com |  1911
          3 | nytimes.com     |  1818
          4 | bloomberg.com   |  1028
          5 | medium.com      |   826
          6 | techcrunch.com  |   735
          7 | theguardian.com |   666
          8 | github.io       |   615
          9 | bbc.com         |   558
         10 | arstechnica.com |   493

</comment><comment><USER6> Sangria is an excellent GraphQL library for Scala! Very sadly Oleg Ilyenko, the maintainer, passed away recently[0].

[0] [https://twitter.com/etorreborre/status/1126921902386184195?s...](https://twitter.com/etorreborre/status/1126921902386184195?s=21)

</comment><comment><USER7> Understanding the response to your work seems logical, in every field.

Also hello NYT slack!

</comment><comment><USER8> Wait, Google doesn't support Perl?

<comment><USER9> Who'd voluntarily do so in 2019?

<comment><USER10> I'm told that Amazon and Booking both have huge production Perl code bases so some major orgs still care about it

<comment><USER9> Good point. There's probably good money in the "host all the stuff that's old and scary" business.

<comment><USER11> My org is still writing new code in perl5. The degree to which it's unappealing is, in my opinion, greatly overstated.

<comment><USER12> Most folks who like complaining about perl5 are doing so because they've worked with some terrible old codebase written in it. Terrible code is terrible code. But well-written perl5 code can be fun to work with.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> The article's actual title is "To Keep Track of Reddit Conversations Around New York Times Articles, We Built a Slack Bot."

There's some strong editorializing in this post's title.

<comment><USER13> There's always a shorter way to get key elements into a headline. How about:

To Track Reddit's Take on NYT Articles, We Built a Slack Bot

<comment><USER14> At that point, what's the point of the Yoda sentence split-and-reorder?

How about: {We/NYTimes} Built a Slack Bot to Track Reddit's Take on NYT Articles

<comment><USER15> I'm not privy to the technical reasoning, but the Yoda split-and-reorder is part of their brand identity, so to speak.

It's an in-joke in journalism that the NYT routinely starts headlines with prepositions (followed by "location/context, noun/subject verb noun...")

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> It's interesting how "NYT tracks Reddit conversations" sounds so much less malevolent when you know exactly what they are doing and why. Ie, posting slack links of public Reddit threads so the article authors can see and participate in the resulting discussion.

<comment><USER17> You can already simply click a domain on reddit and it shows you all the posts that linked it.

<comment> john-radio ...I've been on reddit over 10 years and never noticed that.

<comment><USER17> For example, [https://www.reddit.com/domain/ycombinator.com/](https://www.reddit.com/domain/ycombinator.com/)</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Show HN: Banco, a project management system for the command line - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/claudiodangelis/banco <comment><AUTHOR> Author here, from the readme:

Banco Management System, or simply Banco, is an opinionated project management tool for the command line that helps you organize notes, tasks, bookmarks and documents for your projects.

Banco objects (notes, tasks, bookmarks, etc) are stored in the filesystem, implemented as plain text files and folders within the root of the project, so you won't need to install or run any database or server. This enables you to easily create archives and backups, move projects around the filesystem, use command line tools, or keep track of changes by using version control.</comment>


NY State Assembly passes anti-tech bill - <AUTHOR> https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2015/a8704 <comment><USER2>
      AN ACT to amend the multiple dwelling law and the administrative code of
      the city of New York, in  relation  to  prohibiting  advertising  that
      promotes  the use of dwelling units in a class A multiple dwelling for
      other than permanent residence purposes

how exactly is this an anti-tech bill?

<comment><USER3> Sounds like a bill designed to limit Airbnb listings of apartments in apartment buildings.</comment></comment>


Ask HN: Can you recommend any good computer science audiobooks or podcasts? - <AUTHOR> Aloha, HN. Do you have any recommendations for good CS/Programming books that are audiobook-friendly?
I've started listening to a lot of audiobooks and podcasts while commuting or doing chores to make better use of my time, but I've noticed that there are few computer science audiobooks because the subject matter does not seem to lend itself well to being read aloud.
The more technical/conceptual, the better. There are plenty of audiobooks about tech culture (especially on the business side), but few about technical subjects.
I think some good examples of CS audiobooks might be:
- "The Information" by James Gleick, which discusses a lot of mathematical theory and the physical nature of information.
- "Where Wizards Stay Up Late" by Katie Hafner, which chronicles the creation of the internet, but revels in some of the engineering details and technical challenges the team encountered.
- "How The Mind Works" by Steven Pinker (tangentially related to CS, but valid), which is a psychology book, but actually delves into the computational theory of mind and even discusses how our brain's tricks have been used to improve neural networks.
Thanks! <comment><USER2> I used to play Coursera lectures while driving to work. The various Algorithms courses were my favorite and for the most part, were surprisingly easy to follow just by listening.

<comment><AUTHOR> Good idea, thank you!</comment></comment>


Breaking RSA OAEP with Manger Attack - <AUTHOR> https://research.kudelskisecurity.com/2018/04/05/breaking-rsa-oaep-with-mangers-attack/ <comment><AUTHOR> Author here. I'll be glad to answer your questions, except for why I wrote it in Go and not in Rust ;)</comment>


Ask HN: What's up with sites that don't allow any cookies to be disabled? - <AUTHOR> I'm sure most of us have seen websites using "One Trust" or other services to give a standard cookie disclosure and even allow visitors to enable or disable certain cookie "classes".
I've been reading MIT Tech Review's coronavirus coverage, and clicked on the "Cookie Information" link in their page banner, and was dismayed to see that all cookie classes, even the "targeting" (aka tracking) cookies are shown as "Always Active", without the ability to disable them.  (Granted, I have several browser extensions that should be blocking these regardless.)
Out of the sites I've visited that use this sort of cookie disclosure style, this is the first one I've noticed that doesn't allow any cookies to be disabled at all.  I'm a bit dismayed that a publication put out by an institution like MIT is engaging in a practice like this.
How common is this?  Are there many other sites that do this that people have seen?  Is there any avenue where we can evangelize to orgs that they shouldn't do this?
(Example article page: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615436/the-coronavirus-test-that-might-exempt-you-from-social-distancingif-you-pass/) <comment><USER2> It works OK if cookies are disabled or if cookies are prevented with moz- rewrite. I should think it is the web browser which would have the functions for configuring cookies, anyways. But, that is a valid point about the classes of cookies; if the web page lists the names of all cookies in each class, and what they mean, then this gives the user the information they will need to configure it. (Otherwise, if it is the server which handles this configuration, then a cookie will be needed to store this configuration too, and that makes it impossible to disable all of them.)</comment>


Growth Will Kill Your Business Before You Even Start - <AUTHOR> https://techpoint.ng/2015/08/05/growth-will-kill-your-business-before-you-even-start/ <comment><USER2> They had good retention it just didn't scale.

[http://startupclass.samaltman.com/courses/lec04/](http://startupclass.samaltman.com/courses/lec04/)</comment>


Do you ever switch off? - <AUTHOR>

My mind is working 24/7. I just can't switch my mind off of a project(s) I'm working on. It's kinda scary...to spend every waking hour thinking about what needs to be done and where the f* I'm going with this. Few people told me to stop now or even to get a doctor's advice...
I just see opportunities everywhere. I can't rest till the thing gets done. People around me just don't get it how I can sit for hours in front of my keyboard and just working...
Does this sound familiar? How do you guys switch off? Do you? <comment><USER2> It happens to me too, for me the only way to switch off my mind from a project is practicing some sports. I've found that surfing (and I'm NOT talking about the web)is the best thing I can do to relax.

My advice, get out and have fun.

<comment><USER3> This is fantastic advice. If a sport you must self-motivate yourself to do gets put off too much consider joining a team. You have no choice but to show up. Also good: back-country camping - anywhere where real work is needed to maintain a basic comfort level.

Day-to-day, when you are invited to go and do something and you don't feel like doing it, go anyway every once in awhile. Sometimes it is for the best.

<comment><USER4> Try soccer. Even if you don't play it, you can find amateur co-ed leagues, which are not that competitive, but more fun.

You will enjoy it. Tennis, volleyball, swimming etc... they are all great sports, but I would encourage sports which you have to play in a team.

<comment><USER5> Do you play lots of solo or 1-on-1 volleyball? :)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I think every person who is driven suffers from this and if you don't want to burn out get it under control. Here are my tools:

\- I have a wiki for fast brain dumps

\- I play sport at least once a week with a friend who is an accountant, he brings me back down to earth!

\- I have children, they are great because there is no compromise and the world looks different when you've been with them for a while, granted this is a drastic 'tool'

\- I ALWAYS make lists of things I need to do tomorrow.

\- I trust that my ideas are good enough that they (and I) can wait until tomorrow.

\- I go to gigs, nothing like live music to wipe your mind of troubles. You also get to meet non tech people which is good.

Good luck

</comment><comment><USER7> Congratulations! You're officially a geek :)

I second the recommendations to just get out and do something active. For me it used to be swimming but more recently has been cycling and running. Just try concentrating on your idea at 80% of your max heart rate.

Social time with family and friends is also a great way to set down your projects.

It's important to take breaks from thinking. Anecdotally, the fresh perspective you have coming back is often more effective than hours staring at your monitor.

</comment><comment><USER8> I believe something similar came up in an earlier post, and though I am not where you are right now (I was for a while) I have turned to meditation. (Here is the link - <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=78472>) Some people responded to my comment and had some really good suggestions.

I will admit, its hard to do initially, but once you get the feel for it, you will get a handle on the restlessness of your mind...

Hope this helps. And I agree with nkohari. You should try something that attempts to engage your mind, whether its reading a great book or playing games, or just socializing with (non-techie ;-0) friends. If not, you will burn out.

</comment><comment><USER9> I wouldn't worry about switching off until you find yourself mentally wrestling with problems that cannot be solved like that. Relationship problems are a good example. Usually, no amount of continuous 24/7 thinking is going to bring you to a good answer.

Also if you are tired and can't stop thinking about something, but can't actually solve it without rest, you might want to investigate techniques for clearing your head.

Finally, if you're concerned about negative side-effects of work obsession, like not being able to 'see the forest through the trees' then you might want to as well.

</comment><comment><USER10> You're on news.YC, are you not?

</comment><comment><USER11> Step 1 - Go outside and run a few miles.

Step 2 - If you're not too tired, call some friends and throw a party.

Step 3 - Pull a 24 hour computer fast.

Step 4 - Get a girlfriend.

If you manage to get past step 4, you're probably switched off. If you get to step 4 and you switch back on, be prepared to start over.

</comment><comment><USER12> Yes. To switch off, I like to watch nature shows on Discovery HD (though they're sadly getting harder to find as Watch These Rednecks Build A [insert vehicle here] Shows are taking over). Or just stare at a candle and meditate.

Working out is a great help too.

</comment><comment><USER13> Some good advice here.

If you feel that you should switch off - then you probably need to. It won't be instant, but you can relax over a few days and be able to clear your mind when you need to.

Exercise is essential for me. If you live anywhere other than NYC (where I live) then you can probably do yoga - which is the absolute best. You can also run and meditate. After a week or so you'll have more control over your mind.

If you are looking for a cheap shortcut buy and read Be Here Now by Richard Alpert/Baba Ram Dass. I think you have to be under 25 for this to work.

</comment><comment><USER14> Why switch off?

I'm a lot like you and I used to worry about it too. Now I don't. I'm glad I'm the way I am. Many people would give anything to be like us.

What do I do? I take care of myself. Just because you're cranking doesn't mean you have to eat junk food. I have lots of fruit on hand and NEVER drink coffee (what goes up must come down). I do some form of exercise every day (and usually design something in my head while I exercise). I sleep when I'm tired and get up when my body tells me to. I'm nice to other people and they understand that I say "no" alot, but to please keep inviting me.

Most of all, when I'm cranking, I don't let anything stop me. No clocks in my office.

My biggest worry? What'll I do when I can't turn in ON?

<comment><USER4> "Many people would give anything to be like us."

\--Oh boy. Presumption at it's worst. Not everybody is a workaholic buddy. Most people, in fact, are happy with what they have. It is just in this country many like you forget to take it easy once and a while, and enjoy life. Sure, it is great to make it big, and become wealthy enough so you can enjoy the rest of your life, but if you keep doing it, without resting, that's pretty sorry.

Knowing who to relax when it is needed, is just as useful as knowing how to work hard.

<comment><USER14> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I think you're inferring a lot that I never meant.

What I "meant" has nothing whatsoever to do with workaholism, leisure, money, or in fact, anyone else. Here is what I meant:

It is an ABSOLUTE JOY to be in the zone when I'm hacking. I feel totally alive and love the sense of "doing" and "achieving". And I'm in that zone a lot lately. Many people I know understand that feeling but are unable to (easily) get into that mode. Not because they're workaholics or money grabbers, but because hacking is a kind of "sex" and they not as "horny" as they used to be.

No problem getting in up in my IDE. I'm glad and I hope it stays this way. I wish this on anyone else who desires it, too. It's great.

<comment><USER15> > No problem getting in up in my IDE.

Do you suffer IDE-ED? Has your co-founder been complaining about your performance? Order the all natural Meg@Code today and become the young stud uber hacker you were in your 20s!

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> If anything else interests you, try developing a non-hacking hobby.

I'm a big fan of Philip Greenspun's writing, and over time his love for photography seeped into my personality. I started buying camera equipment and found that I greatly enjoyed it. So now when I don't have anything good to program, or want an interesting break, I grab my camera and walk around taking photos. It gives me time to unwind and relax, but I'm still being productive -- just in a different sense.

</comment><comment><USER17> Meditation can do wonders. Just sit somewhere comfortable, give yourself 30 minutes, and don't think about anything. It can take practice -- maybe a lot of practice -- but the mental and physical recharge it gives is very refreshing. I find that the trick is scheduling it. Even if you can't turn off, just try for all 30 minutes. Eventually you'll get somewhere.

I liken it to getting into the Flow at doing nothing.

</comment><comment><USER18> Yes, happens the same to me. If I am working om something that is not interesting, my brain is usually occupied by 'the-next-interesting-thing-that- I-will-do-at-work'. The only ways to switch myself off is to play games, or when I read something that is more insteresting than whatever I am working on, not necessarily fiction. I think it is a fate for us thinking people.

</comment><comment><USER19> It's definitely familiar to me, but I think it's very important that you DO switch off from time to time. For me, I play Wii or read a book for awhile. (Usually I end up reading a technology book though, but it's relaxing for me. YMMV.) If you don't shut off your brain once in awhile, you will eventually burn out.

</comment><comment><USER20> Don't worry, you're doing it right. I've felt like that every single day for the last 8 months.

</comment><comment><USER21> Switch off? why the hell would you want to do that. I like being "turned" ON all the time. I love working when others are sleeping, gives me the feeling of "catching up".

You're the kinda person i would love to have working for me.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> It's nice to read these encouraging words. Thanks.

A friend of mine likes to jokingly remind me I should have taken the blue pill instead...

</comment><comment><USER22> Wow, its like I posted this. I'm exactly the same way... no clue on how to stop it.

</comment><comment><USER23> have sex, run to the forest, meditate</comment>


Embedding Jython in Java Applications - <AUTHOR> http://blog.smartbear.com/programming/embedding-jython-in-java-applications/

<comment><USER2> A pity Jython isn't simply another scripting language using the Java scripting engine API (or, if it is available that way, a pity the article doesn't show that)</comment>


Greatest logic film scene - <AUTHOR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAnOi0fnxuE

<comment><USER2> Personally, my favourite is from the British science-fiction programme Dr Who:

[http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7udkb_pyramids-of- mars-p12...](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7udkb_pyramids-of- mars-p12_people#from=embed&start=90)</comment>


Step-by-Step Tutorial to Build a Phoenix App That Supports User Uploads - <AUTHOR> https://www.poeticoding.com/step-by-step-tutorial-to-build-a-phoenix-app-that-supports-user-uploads/ <comment><AUTHOR> In this step-by-step tutorial we see in depth how to build a Phoenix app from scratch, letting users upload their files using a multipart form. We learn how to easily run PostgreSQL with Docker, to receive uploads using Plug, and how to use Ecto to store upload details into the database.</comment>


Ask HN: What do you use for you personal note taking activity? - <AUTHOR> Currently, my notes are scattered in unnamed Sublime tabs, pockets, 'safe for later' on fb, pinboards. And they don't end up much useful later.
So, fellow hackers, how do you take notes? What do you use?
I envision a platform which is very accessible (on phone/ laptop), easy and lightweight to jot down things (like sublime tabs, they are very light and I end up using them more than Evernote files, even when I am a premium member).
At the access side, those notes are easy to search, they follow some graph-like data structure, super smooth to add new updates (like if I have a movie node in my db, and I see some interesting movie somewhere, it should be super easy to add them in my list). If I am reading about some new topic, I can create stories out of them and should be able to add notes to it, like adding tweets in a tweet conversation.
I am thinking to make something of my own which cater my needs but meanwhile, I am thinking I will make what already is there rather than not using anything at all. <comment><USER2> Zim wiki with Journal and VCS plugins enabled. Or CherryTree.

Also Firefox add-on to copy open tabs url.

Multiple Tab Handler – [https://addons.mozilla.org/en- GB/firefox/addon/multiple-tab-...](https://addons.mozilla.org/en- GB/firefox/addon/multiple-tab-handler/) Zim - a desktop wiki – [http://zim- wiki.org/](http://zim-wiki.org/) cherrytree – giuspen – [https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/](https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/)

</comment><comment><USER3> Right now I have two general repos:

1\. tomboy desktop wiki. Realistically, this is usually a write only repository for me to get ideas out that I never follow up on. But I like to think the exercise is beneficial, or at least thereapeutic.

2\. rocketbook wave + frixion pens. Phone calls, meetings, random engineering diagrams, and the occasional Nikoli puzzle go in here. I just went through my first scan-in and heat erasure cycle, seems to work? These notes I do occasionally refer back to, with I'd imagine an exponential decay model. Needing to know the name of the recruiter I talked to and what they said is more important in the week after than the month or quarter after. Some day I'll try adopting bulletjournal's note style. But for now, meh.

Edit:

I don't even think of these as notes, but I do use a lot of todo lists. I have a Trello board for my video game collection, to track what I have, whether I can sell it, and where i've listed it for sale (and at what price). I have another Trello board for general todos, a caldav server that I've been ignoring lately, and some tasks in google cal that I've also been ignoring.

</comment><comment><USER4> I keep it simple: A bunch of semi-organized markdown files + resilio sync (+ an old always-on android phone for a resilio 'server'). I can continue living in Emacs (and a markdown-friendly android app).

I tried to bespoke notetaking things (evernote, google keep, trello, orgmode, et al) before I figured out I was just dumping bits of text and never actually used the organizational/tagging/convenient features.

I guess it would be nice to have quick and easy ways to search and archive notes on my phone but I can live without it.

<comment><USER5> I normally use Evernote but its been getting very slow on my phone(2-8 seconds before i can input my text) so I was thinking of writing a simple bot for Telegram that would log my messages and set cron-like reminders. I guess i would search it by sending something like "/s words to be searched for" Is that something you would use?

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> I've also done the untitled tabs in Sublime thing.

Workflowy ([https://workflowy.com](https://workflowy.com)) is worth a try.

It's still very lightweight. You have one doc which has one master root. Then, you can create arbitrarily nested lists of things and zoom in and out of the overall list. You get a daily email of your delta from the day before. There's an okay mobile client but the desktop one is much better feature wise.

I've been using for it everything from an inbox to blog post ideas lately (I just start drafting the post inside Workflowy).

</comment><comment><USER7> Hey, maybe [http://zenkit.com](http://zenkit.com) would be an option for you. You can create different data collections (Kanban Board for example) and then add your data there. There´s also a pretty cool global search feature..as your notes are becoming more and more they might be harder to find so you can just search throughout the whole app. Web-based platform - super easy to use.

</comment><comment><USER8> Evernote is the obvious answer but why isn't it working for you?

I start jotting down my notes in Sublime tabs too. If I choose to save them, they go into an Evernote notebook. "Your second brain" defines Evernote's purpose well, it functions as a long term memory for notes.

Search is simply Ctrl+Q and it also goes through images and docs as well if I'm not mistaken.

</comment><comment><USER9> Check out Notational Velocity [http://notational.net/](http://notational.net/) or its fork nvALT [http://brettterpstra.com/projects/nvalt/](http://brettterpstra.com/projects/nvalt/)

</comment><comment><USER10> Notebooks. They're surprisingly easy to search: if you use them a lot you'll notice that you often remember exactly which page a certain note appears on. You can also help by always starting a new note on a new right-hand page, and writing one or two keywords in the top-right corner.

</comment><comment><USER11> No mention of Vimwiki yet. I'm a hardcore Vim user so it works well for me.

<Leader>ww to open Vimwiki and <Enter> to follow (and create) links and <Backspace> to go up one level. Works like a charm for me.

<comment><USER12> This. I've been using it for years and its one of the things that keeps me the most productive nowadays.

</comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> Bonus points if I can query them like what should I do now? Which movie should I watch (but those are secondary requirements which I would like to have some time in future).

</comment><comment><USER13> I use a real-life notebook for anything real-life. I enjoy keeping notes offline. I use a bullet journal style.

For quick meeting notes or todo notes at work, I send myself an email.

</comment><comment><USER14> I'm quite happy with Apple Notes. But there are a few things I'd like to fix (Git support, Code highlighting) so I have started on making my own app.

<comment><USER15> Out of interest, did you do research first to see if anything else would fit? I see a big trend on HN of "This doesn't do X, I'll make my own" \- we end up with 5000 weather apps and 8000 'game changing' note taking apps.

</comment></comment><comment><USER16> Google docs. Sync, offline, voice dictations. I use it many times a day

</comment><comment><USER17> I send email to myself. Sometimes I just keep them in drafts.

</comment><comment><USER18> Google Keep across all devices.

</comment><comment><USER19> Email myself</comment>


'I hope the concept of cultural appropriation is a passing fad' (2016) - <AUTHOR> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/lionel-shrivers-full-speech-i-hope-the-concept-of-cultural-appropriation-is-a-passing-fad <comment><USER2> Just a cursory look over history and you see how many cultural things are traded and etc. It seems untenable for folks to claim a thing, let alone figure out who then gets to claim it considering the vaugnesses of race and backgrounds.

I also worry that the effort to clam ownership or whatever we want to call it actually just creates more isolation.

A local educational institution used a local native american symbol for a long time. It was always done respectfully (no weird chanting or anything). One tribe even regularly sent drummers and dancers to open sporting events. It was a really cool thing to see / be a part of, everyone had a great time in a community that didn't have much in the way of connections between the tribal entities and etc.

But it was decided that the local tribes should vote on if it should continue or not. One tribe overwhelmingly voted yes. Another tribe due to tribal politics chose not to vote. So out went the tradition, away went what was one of the few connections between the reservations and non reservations. I think it was a great loss.

<comment><USER3> I don't know that I buy the symbol created connections.

You could just as easily continue the traditions without the symbol, unless it was the entirety of the traditions themselves that was voted out?

I mean, I agree with your overall point, I just don't think any specific symbol is really that important, well outside of a few notable exceptions.

To me it's like saying the fact that I can't display the word "Hello", which is itself a form of symbolism, is somehow going to destroy the community. If the community is destroyed, it wasn't the symbol, or lack thereof, that did it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> A bit of an anecdote but personally I never hear anyone talking about this unless they're talking about how dumb the whole concept is. I don't think people complaining about cultural appropriation are actually a problem.

<comment><USER5> _Stuff white people like: Yoga, tacos and pretending the white supremacy that fuels cultural appropriation doesn 't exist_ \-- [https://www.salon.com/2016/10/03/stuff-white-people-like- yog...](https://www.salon.com/2016/10/03/stuff-white-people-like-yoga-tacos- and-pretending-the-white-supremacy-that-fuels-cultural-appropriation-doesnt- exist/)

 _Cultural appropriation of Māori traditions is an exercise in entitlement and privilege_ \-- [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/04/cultur...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/04/cultural- appropriation-of-maori-traditions-is-an-exercise-in-entitlement-and-privilege)

 _What makes cultural appropriation different from cultural exchange. Why white models sporting dreadlocks at Marc Jacobs fashion show just isn 't OK_ \-- [https://www.salon.com/2016/10/01/how-to-explain-cultural- app...](https://www.salon.com/2016/10/01/how-to-explain-cultural- appropriation-to-someone-who-just-doesnt-get-it_partner/)

 _5 things white people need to learn about cultural appropriation_ \-- [https://www.dailydot.com/via/5-things-white-people- cultural-...](https://www.dailydot.com/via/5-things-white-people-cultural- appropriation/)

 _As a white female rapper mistakes appropriation for artistry, black women remain pushed to the sidelines_ \-- [https://www.salon.com/2014/07/15/iggy_azaleas_post_racial_me...](https://www.salon.com/2014/07/15/iggy_azaleas_post_racial_mess_americas_oldest_race_tale_remixed/)

 _Tamara Eagle Bull: Stop Appropriating My Culture. Use of Native American symbols, knowledge, and practices pervades the building, entertainment, and media industries. Here 's why it needs to stop._ \-- [https://www.architectmagazine.com/practice/tamara-eagle- bull...](https://www.architectmagazine.com/practice/tamara-eagle-bull-stop- appropriating-my-culture_o)

 _Stop appropriating Native American culture_ \-- [https://sundial.csun.edu/60632/opinions/annihilation-of- nati...](https://sundial.csun.edu/60632/opinions/annihilation-of-native- american-culture/)

 _Justin Timberlake Dragged Over BET Awards Tweet: 'Stop Appropriating Our Music and Culture'_ \-- [https://www.thedailybeast.com/justin-timberlake- dragged-over...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/justin-timberlake-dragged-over- bet-awards-tweet-stop-appropriating-our-music-and-culture)

 _6 Ways You Harm Me When You Appropriate Black Culture – And How to Appreciate It Instead_ \-- [https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/appropriating-black- cul...](https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/appropriating-black-culture/)

 _The damage of white culture "borrowing" from black culture for fashion trends is unmistakable._ \-- [https://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/2017/02/how- black-culture-...](https://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/2017/02/how-black- culture-is-exploited-in-memes-copy-headline-plz)

 _5 Ways To Prevent Cultural Appropriation In Fashion Because You Can Appreciate Without Appropriating_ \-- [https://www.bustle.com/articles/86089-5-ways-to-prevent- cult...](https://www.bustle.com/articles/86089-5-ways-to-prevent-cultural- appropriation-in-fashion-because-you-can-appreciate-without-appropriating)

 _How to Avoid Cultural Appropriation & Promote Cultural Awareness Instead_ \-- [https://www.commisceo-global.com/blog/how-to-avoid- cultural-...](https://www.commisceo-global.com/blog/how-to-avoid-cultural- appropriation-promote-cultural-awareness-instead)

 _5 Simple Questions That'll Help You Avoid Unintentional Cultural Appropriation_ \-- [https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/05/avoid-cultural- appropri...](https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/05/avoid-cultural- appropriation/)

 _When will the Kardashian-Jenner family stop appropriating black hairstyles?_ \-- [https://www.mic.com/articles/151142/when-will-the- kardashian...](https://www.mic.com/articles/151142/when-will-the-kardashians- and-jenners-stop-appropriating-black-hairstyles)

 _Stop Appropriating, And Start Appreciating Culture!_ \-- [https://youth- time.eu/stop-appropriating-and-start-appreciat...](https://youth-time.eu/stop- appropriating-and-start-appreciating-culture/)

 _In March 2016, an African-American woman at San Francisco State University confronted a white student. She said he should cut his hair because dreadlocks belong to black culture. The incident went viral._ \-- [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cultural-appropriation- wh_b_1...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cultural-appropriation- wh_b_10585184)

 _Dear America, Stop Appropriating Caribbean Culture_ \-- [https://www.theodysseyonline.com/perception-caribbean- music-...](https://www.theodysseyonline.com/perception-caribbean-music- america)

 _Marvel's Iron Fist: cultural appropriation that belongs in the past_ \-- [https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and- radio/2017/mar/18/marvel-...](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and- radio/2017/mar/18/marvel-iron-fist-defenders-netflix)

 _Chola style – the latest cultural appropriation fashion crime?_ \-- [https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/aug/15/-sp-chola- st...](https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/aug/15/-sp-chola-style- cultural-appropriation-fashion-crime)

 _As they plunder minority cultures in their desperation to appear edgy, the only thing artists such as Iggy Azalea and Madonna succeed in doing is flaunting their unoriginality_ \-- [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/madonn...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/madonna- cultural-appropriation-cliche-iggy-azalea)

<comment><USER6> As with so many things these days, the internet gives people the ability to speak to millions of other people. The idiots and extremists seem to garner more attention, and therefore, generate ad revenue; so they have an even louder voice. I don't think there are actually more idiots and extremists, but merely that the few that exist can get together and try to indoctrinate others into whatever bent world-view they have. He says while typing in the comment section ...

(commented in the wrong place earlier)

<comment><USER6> I should also add that I remember seeing some poll of Americans and this sort of "political correctness" or whatever you wish to call it, was the primary reason people said they voted for Donald Trump. Nothing official, some news station or something, but still. It's not harmless.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> As with so many things these days, the internet gives people the ability to speak to millions of other people. The idiots and extremists seem to garner more attention, and therefore, generate ad revenue; so they have an even louder voice. I don't think there are _actually_ more idiots and extremists, but merely that the few that exist can get together and try to indoctrinate others into whatever bent world-view they have.

He says while typing in the comment section ...

</comment><comment><USER7> I'm all for interesting things. Lord knows I've found delightful, wondrous things on this site. This is posted to stoke a culture war debate.

</comment><comment><USER8> What aspect of this is related to hacking or even tech?

<comment><USER9> Someone found it interesting.

> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes > more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the > answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

[https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> Reactionary outrage bait like this is one of the most popular categories of posts on HN, and can always be counted on to receive plenty of upvotes.

<comment><USER11> Asserting appropriation for non-material, non-exclusive matters would seem more reactionary, actually.</comment></comment>