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Abercrombie & Fitch loses ruling over Muslim garb
Bob Egelko | September 9, 2013 | Updated: September 10, 2013 7:29am
In this Oct. 6, 2009 photo, an Abercrombie & Fitch shopper walks along a sidewalk in downtown Seattle. A late Labor Day and delayed school openings offered some relief to merchants in September, helping to boost sales above Wall Street expectations. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
In this Thursday, March 28, 2013, photo, a woman works at an Abercrombie & Fitch store in Chicago. The government reports how much consumers spent and earned in March on Monday, April 29, 2013. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)
Abercrombie & Fitch is known for using sex to sell its teen and kids clothing lines. This image of a topless girl hugging a bare-chested boy was one of the tamer photos in the 2003 Christmas catalog that was pulled from stores. Another photo depicted teenage group sex.
Customers at the Abercrombie & Fitch store in the San Francisco Shopping Centre walked past a "Wok-N-Bowl" T-shirt display. Chronicle photo by Darryl Bush
MUNICH, GERMANY - OCTOBER 25: Male models outside Abercrombie & Fitch during the opening of Abercrombie & Fitch flagship store on October 25, 2012 in Munich, Germany. (Photo by Hannes Magerstaedt/Getty Images)
In this Oct. 6, 2009 photo, an Abercrombie & Fitch shopper walks along a sidewalk in downtown Seattle. A late Labor Day and delayed school openings offered some relief to merchants in September, helping to boost sales above Wall Street expectations. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
Filipino women pose for photographs with topless male models outside the soon to open Abercrombie & Fitch flagship clothing store in Hong Kong on August 5, 2012. The store is due to be opened for trading on August 11. AFP PHOTO / LAURENT FIEVETLAURENT FIEVET/AFP/GettyImages
In this Thursday, March 28, 2013, photo, a woman works at an Abercrombie & Fitch store in Chicago. The government reports how much consumers spent and earned in March on Monday, April 29, 2013. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)
**FILE** In this Aug 12, 2008 file photo, a male model greets a shopper at Abercrombie & Fitch in New York. Abercrombie & Fitch said Friday, Nov. 14, 2008, the pull back in consumer spending led its third-quarter profit to fall 46 percent and says it expects fourth-quarter profit below expectations (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)
Abercrombie & Fitch CEO Mike Jeffries
Huffington Post ran this apology by Jeffries, which he posted on Facebook.
Photo By Paul Taggart / BloombergStruggling retailer Abercrombie & Fitch is seeking a new CEO to replace Michael Jeffries.
Photo By Lionel Bonaventure/AFP/Getty ImagesSecurity (R) and staff members stand on the opening day at the entrance of the US clothing Abercrombie & Fitch store on the Champs-Elysees avenue in Paris on May 19, 2011. More than one hundred million people frequent each year this famous avenue, the 5th world more expensive one. AFP PHOTO LIONEL BONAVENTURE (Photo credit should read LIONEL BONAVENTURE/AFP/Getty Images)
Photo By Brant Ward/The ChronicleA huge portrait at Abercrombie and Fitch on Market Street dwarfed a homeless woman. A San Francisco Chamber of Commerce report says that San Franciscans are beginning to come out of their doldrums about life and the economy, but the report says more people are pessimistic about the homeless problem here.
Photo By Wong Maye-E/APShoppers walk past a billboard for a soon-to-be opened Abercrombie and Fitch store outside a shopping mall on Thursday Aug. 18, 2011 in Singapore. The city-state's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong warned Singaporeans in his recent national day address that economic problems in the U.S. and Europe pose a serious risk to world growth which could lead to another recession. (AP Photo/Wong Maye-E)
Photo By Richard Hertzler/Associated PressA young shopper holds an Abercrombie and Fitch shopping bag at the Park City mall in Lancaster, Pa. on Black Friday, Nov. 25, 2011. Early signs point to bigger crowds at the nation's malls and stores as retailers like Macy's and Target opened their doors at midnight.
Abercrombie & Fitch and its Hollister Co. outlet in San Mateo violated the religious rights of a Muslim employee who was fired for refusing to remove her headscarf, a federal judge has ruled.
The clothing retailer failed to prove it would suffer undue hardship by accommodating the beliefs of Hani Khan, who wore the hijab mandated by her faith for four months at the store in the Hillsdale Shopping Center before she was fired in February 2010, said U.S. District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers.
She said Abercrombie & Fitch, while maintaining a mandatory dress and grooming code for employees, has granted exemptions since 2005 that have allowed male employees to wear a Jewish yarmulke, a baseball cap and facial hair, a female employee to wear a jeweled cross, and more than 16 other women to wear hijabs.
Khan worked mostly in the store's stockrooms, preparing clothes for display, but occasionally entered public areas to place and remove products. The company produced no evidence of "complaints, disruption, or a noticeable effect on sales" because of her attire, Gonzalez Rogers said in her Sept. 3 ruling, which allows Khan to ask a jury for damages.
"At the heart of this case is the belief that no one should ever have to choose between their religion and their work," Zahra Billoo, Bay Area executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Monday. The organization represented Khan along with the San Francisco Legal Aid Society's Employment Law Center.
In a statement, the company said, "Abercrombie & Fitch does not discriminate based on religion and we grant religious accommodations when reasonable."
The company declined to comment on the ruling, which it could appeal.
Abercrombie's "Look" policy required employees to wear clothes similar to those sold at its stores and bans headwear. But the judge said Khan wore a hijab to her job interview and was allowed to keep wearing it - as long as it matched company colors - until the company's district manager spotted her four months later and contacted the local human resources director.
Khan was immediately suspended with pay, and was fired 11 days later.
Abercrombie & Fitch says it has since changed its policy and allows Muslim women to wear headscarves. But Gonzalez Rogers noted the change came after the lawsuit and said Khan, joined by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, could seek an injunction requiring the accommodation.
Bob Egelko is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail: email@example.com


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New RRPC director likes what he seesBy Gordon Dritschilo
Staff Writer | February 18,2013Albert J. Marro / Staff Photo
Kris Hughes is the new executive director of the Rutland Regional Planning Commission.Kris Hughes said he has found a lot he can work with in Rutland County.
"There seems to be a really strong passion for making some good stuff happen," said Hughes, who took over in January as executive director of the Rutland Regional Planning Commission. "I haven't been in a single town yet where that isn't present. There's extraordinary passion for Vermont and for the particular town that I'm in."
It's not just the passion that impresses him, but the organization.
"This is different from a lot of communities I've been in," he said. "There are groups of people in every town. There are a lot of very effective and hardworking groups trying to make things happen. I think a lot of what we can do to help — I guess you'd call it a support role, a coordinating role. ... This isn't about redoing anything. This is about coming in and strengthening the ongoing efforts. That's unusual."
Hughes' career includes time at various levels of government as well as a stint with a Maryland entity similar to the Vermont League of Cities and Towns. For the last 11 years, Hughes worked as director of planning for the Ontario County government in New York.
"It's a very different environment in New York," he said. "The county governments serve as a regional planning agency. ... The projects we're engaged with are more county government-focused and less municipal."
RRPC is a more accessible resource for municipalities, he said.
Hughes said he enjoys working with those municipalities. He described attending a Select Board meeting in Tinmouth during the recent cold spell, on an evening when the temperature was compounded by poor driving conditions.
"In walk seven or eight different residents, from different walks of life, totally focused on doing something positive for their town," he said. "It's just a declaration of how American democracy works really, really well. I'm honored just to be around it."
Even before he started working with its local governments, Hughes said, he was drawn to Vermont
"Look around you," the 56-year-old said. "I've come to Vermont since I was a little boy. This is the story of most flatlanders — we grow to love Vermont from afar and a few of us get the opportunity to join the folks. ... I'm at the stage of my career where I was looking for — I call it a 'capstone experience.' I was looking around for a couple of years."
Hughes said his appreciation of Vermont was cemented during a vacation with his wife on Lake Champlain, when they toured the state, including a pass through Rutland County.
"I have a geology background and I'm very appreciative of rocks," he said. "When you ride down the road and see a tailing pile of slate, I tend to jump out and play with the rocks. ... Everywhere you go here is extraordinarily special."
Hughes said it was an honor to follow his predecessor, the late Mark Blucher.
"He was clearly a remarkable person," he said. "I only wish I had time to sit down with him and talk some things over."
Hughes never met Blucher, but he said he has formed an impression through his files and letters.
"He left an indelible mark," Hughes said. "He's been described to me as just a consummate gentleman. He was deeply respected in regard to his knowledge, his historical knowledge and his sense of what makes Vermont special."
Hughes said he values getting to know the Rutland area and talking to the people in it.
"I'm really privileged to get to go to each Select Board and get to know the people who are trying to make their town a better place," he said.
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O'Connor's rise and fall
She won. The 25-year-old Catholic school gym teacher was the youngest to hold a council seat. Six years later, she wed Peterson, a financier 30 years her senior, in a small ceremony on the French Riviera.
Her initial 1983 mayoral campaign against county Supervisor Roger Hedgecock failed, but she later won when Hedgecock was forced to resign amid a campaign finance scandal. She took office in 1986, answering to the nickname "Mayor Mo."
She left behind a mixed bag of accomplishments and failures — and her share of critics and fans.
She knew how to play to the public, sometimes leading to criticism from those in City Hall about her lack of leadership and poor communication.
Her absences from meetings was a running joke, as insiders questioned what she did all day. She was also known to take in a midday matinee movie during the week.
She butt heads with the business interests and developed her image as a populist who met regularly with citizens, picked up trash with city crews, rode with police officers on patrol and walked tough neighborhoods.
She was applauded for her fierce fight against Southern California Edison's takeover effort of San Diego Gas & Electric, which she won.
In one of her more memorable actions, O'Connor spent 48 hours as an undercover homeless woman, sleeping on the street, witnessing drug deals and prostitution, and experiencing firsthand how the city's outreach programs worked.
She hid her famous face behind a ball cap and sunglasses, passing notable San Diegans on the street who didn't recognize her as she walked the city on blistered feet.
At the end of her mayoral run, O'Connor largely receded from the public spotlight. She remained social, spending time with her close friends and her siblings.
Influential female friends
At one time, O'Connor was counted among the three most powerful women in San Diego, along with philanthropist and McDonald's heiress Joan Kroc and San Diego Union-Tribune Publisher Helen Copley. The three women frequently used their wealth and influence to frame the public conversation and partner on civic projects.
But they were also best friends, along with Oscar-winning actress Mercedes McCambridge, and privately bonded over their love of cinema and their shared Catholic values.
Copley and O'Connor enjoyed walks at La Jolla Shores, and the foursome would sometimes jet off in Kroc's private plane or boat. They were some of the only women, besides a few nuns and her family, that O'Connor allowed to penetrate her small inner circle.
But by the end of 2004, within a span of only nine months, O'Connor's tight circle shrank with the deaths of all three of her closest friends.
"Those were the women she identified with," said Gerry Braun, a former San Diego Union-Tribune reporter who covered O'Connor as mayor. "Their loss I think is more important than people realize."
The grief exacerbated a festering gambling addiction, one of her attorneys said last week.
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Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
I've heard so many people say this. Some people say that Korn started to go downhill after "Life is Peachy" and some people say that the first two albums were good and everything past that sucked. Why do you think this is? I for one like all of their albums, and am confused when people say things like that.
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Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
I do love the first two albums, but honestly I love every single korn song ever put out. I always listen to an album cover to cover. It helps me appreciate the music on a whole new level.
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
KoЯn and Life is Peachy are really really RAW
but regardless *Untouchables* is still my BEST favorite
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
Everyone has their favorite albums, some albums have more better songs than others . . . but come on, I think all the albums are fucking fantastic. It is KORN we're talking about here.
"If you think this is about you, it probably is . . . "
-the paranoid feeling everyone gets.
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered
Untitled was a great album, and I don't understand the dislike for it.
This is just my opinion on Untitled being a die hard KoRn fan. I feel they took a direction I personally did not like. Typical as most bands like Metallica when have achieved so much success start to deviate from the formula that works. Not enough "KoRn" riffs and more experimental and synth shit (sorry hate synth stuff as in their recent concerts the synth is more audible then the fucking guitars) Frankly the only songs I like off that is Killing and Evolution. Why? Killing has a killer riff and Evolution has great melodies (but sounds better live....see below).
Evolution Live 2007
Korn III I like maybe 3-4 songs off it but they are the ones that are almost strictly guitars,bass,drums and Vox; with killer riffs of course.....Fear is my fav.
Still gotta plug it............. although most disagree is that Untouchables is their masterpiece even though only a few songs work live. I just feel Untouchables has some great riffs and even the mellow songs (when they started introducing the synth stuff) sound great to me.
Sorry forgot to add. Why do people think they started the rap/rock scene? I dunno about you but I never heard JD rapping really. It was more Limp Shitzkit that started rapping over poor riffs. KoRn has their own sound that no one can replicate. It still amazes me how JD can sing live so well and just like the album versions after 20 years. Not like Hetfield of Metallica who is my idol, his voice has changed so much over the years. Guess everyone is different. :)
Just my onions. :)
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
I dont think its that they went downhill, i just think its that their first two albums were so raw, and just had that emotional vibe that could grasp your heart (not saying their other albums dont, its just that you could better feel jons emotion, you could hear it) and then they started growing as musicians and i think people were stubborn about them just being heavy and when they started portraying the emotion differently, people were pissed. i dont know why, i mean they did have some bumps in the road, but almost everything is fucking awesome
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
Back in '94 when Korn first came out you rarely had bands that touched upon subjects like Daddy etc. Then in'96 you had Marylin Manson making it huge with AC Superstar,Pantera's "Great Southern Trendkill",Slayers "Undisputed Attitude", the disappointment of waiting 6 years for a Metallica album only to get "Load" and Sepulturas "Roots". Among those albums was another dark and heavy one called "Life Is Peachy" by Korn which touched upon subjects of wanting to kill your stepmother(which I never got along with mine and although I would never go that far I could relate to the song).
So that for me personally is why the first 2 wre my favorite. By '98,'99 it seemed like every band was copying them yet had great albums. Issues and Follow the Leader didn't shine as much(at least for me) but I never stopped being a Korn fan one way or another.
Who needs prozaic when there's rock n'roll?
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
Without Korn there would be no
Linkin Park
Papa Roach
It feels like something...no, it's nothing
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
for me is like...
Take a look in the mirror
Follow the leader
KoRn III:Remember who you are
See you on the other side
Life is Peachy
yeap..... :P
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
When I first heard ko®n I was not that big a fan. Didnt really like them to be honest. I had friends that were in to them hard core and said that they would never "sell out". The music started getting a little different and started to hit the radio due in part I'm sure to lax rules in what was allowed to be on the radio. This I think some miss took for "selling out". Just because people get older, see life differently, which for singers/bands that is reflected in their music. Does not mean they sold out. It simply means what it is, they got older and see life differently. But you cant explain this to the whole world at once! As I said lax laws by the FCC has allowed different subject matter and in some cases depending on the time of day harsher language. Allowing more of ko®n's music to be played, possibly giving the appearance of selling out to some. This is just a hypothesis. Maybe they just do not see the great music that I see. OR hear in this case.
Just my opinion, but thats what you asked for
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
i asked the same thing, yu got to it first tho, im tryin ta find out mahself
mah signature evilface >:)
RE: Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered
Without Korn there would be no
Linkin Park
Papa Roach
What a perfect world that would be.
Also, Issues is Korn's best album.
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
I think a lot of people consider the first 2 albums KoRn's "best" because many of those same people haven't gave any of the newer albums a chance, either that or maybe they just like the sound that they had in the beginning.
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
I cant think of anything that hasnt already been said.
For me the Self Titled is not only my favourite Korn album its also in my top 5 albums list.
Its the same as Slipknot's Self Titled, there is just something there that you just cant really explain.
I Will Never Run Away
Places Inside
My Heart Screams Inside With Pride
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
the first 2 albums are just raw and full of angry emotion that alot of troubled teens could relate to and have that personal connection with, follow the leader is also a pretty raw album with a slight diff sound and some heavier riffs, issues is easily their best produced album the whole album is a masterpeice, untouchables introduces more synth and experimental and lost some of that angry emotion that a lot of people missed, so they brought out take a look in the mirror, which is probs their heaviest album with alot of screaming, syotos went back to experimenting and was their softest album untill they brought out untitled which ended up going softer still, they wanted to make another return to their routes with korn III which is a good album that shew some emotion again but seemed to lach alot without heads guitar, then now youve got the dubstep which is their most expeirmental
its all down to personal taste, for all the people that got into korn as somthing to relate your troubled teens with will obv feel theyve gone downhill abit, while others prefer some of their softer more melodic stuff, for me their first 4 albums are their 'best'
in the sea of life, your just a minnow,
you live your life, insecure,
i feel the pain, of your needles,
as they shit, into my brain..
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
i don't think korn ever went downhill. one of the things i look forward to most is "what will they do next?" if you listen to each of their albums, there's something that sets them aside from the others. i got into korn just before follow the leader and have looked forward to each release since. i'll never forget being a junior in high school listening to korn perform issues live at the apollo on the radio the night before the release. that was just an awesome experience... then when my pre-ordered copy arrived, it blew me away more. so dark... then you have the moments when they step back... like TALITM and Korn III. every so often they revisit what made us all love them in the first place, but then take their music to new and exciting places again just to keep us all guessing. there aren't many bands out there that i know i can buy a new album without hearing a single track and be pleased. i will say that POT took a couple of listens for me. i think just because it was so different from anything else. but the more i listened, the more i dug it and it really grew on me. i love the old korn. i love the new korn. i would still hold the first two on a pedestal just because of what those albums did to me by getting me listening to heavier shit. before then, i was still waving my grunge flag high.
and we're not gonna stop for the pigs or no one!
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
It's no secrete that Korn started to go in a different direction after Peachy and continued to do that their whole career after. The obvious answer is that the first two sound different from the rest of their albums, thus there are people who like that style better than other stuff Korn did. Jonathan started singing about the troubles of being famous in follow the leader and issue, something that fans have a harder time relating to than the lyrics of the 1st two albums.
Also people who listen to albums when they first come out had more of a bias to that older stuff. I think newer fans who get all their albums the same day will feel less bias because they were introduced to it all the same time, no past connection with the older stuff.
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
Because they where fresh?
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
The first two albums are considered "the best" because they are the best. Everything after was overproduced to me. The first two were very raw, real so real I could feel it, honest. And probably theraputic for the band. Everything after seemed more precise and clean, still good. Just more user friendly for the masses. Is it just me on this? how many of you Korn fans out their who love the first two albums really miss the musical build up and the vocal explosions from JD that were in just about every song on the first two albums.
Re: Why are Korn's first two albums considered "the best"?
They're all the best to me. Not sucking up. Just saying.
Path is on top right now. Bad fucking ass.
"Sometimes, I hate, the life, I made
everything's wrong every time"
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PARENTS of Walney School pupils have received letters saying they could be fined £50 if their children do not attend classes.
From next Tuesday, the school will be issuing fixed penalty notices for "poor school attendance and persistent lateness".
The letter states "the fast track to prosecution will begin with a letter to parents if their child's attendance falls below 90 per cent".
Headteacher Alan Dickenson said: "We are not looking to be punitive. The letter only states the law as it is. Until now, the school has left it to the local authority to issue penalty notices. It certainly isn't a power we are adopting because we want to use it more than it currently is.
"It doesn't indicate any change at all."
Schools have a number of options for dealing with pupil attendance, from voluntary parenting contracts to taking more serious cases to court.
Until now, the use of these fines has been rare, with only three issued across Barrow and South Lakeland in the first six months of this school year. Chairman of governors, Dennis Laird, said attendance at the school went up 1.1 per cent in just a week since students were first told of the plans. He said: "We made this decision because it was felt a minority of parents are not acting responsibly. It is something we have been monitoring closely for some time and we felt the time was right.''
One parent, who asked to remain anonymous, says she was shocked when she received the letter on Tuesday. She said: "I am concerned they are not looking at the reasons behind the low attendance.
"You need to look at each case individually or you could end up fining the wrong people."
Mr Dickenson said: "I would like to stress that this only covers unauthorised absences. If a child is ill this will not affect them.
"For the vast majority of parents it will never be an issue."
The letter to parents states that the school treats attendance as 'one of their most important responsibilities'.
In it Mr Dickenson asks parents not to take holidays in term time and to 'understand the difference between minor ailments and the sort of illness that warrants a day off'.
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