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- Jimmy Strobl
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Does your country have an Electronic Direct Democratic (E2D) party?
I'm curious to find TEDsters who know of, or are members of any E2D party that might exist in your home country.
I'd like to hear some of the success stories you've had and how the general implementation of the party is going.
I'd also really like to talk to and/or help anyone thinking of starting a new E2D party in a country.
In case you haven't heard of E2D (which most of you likely haven't) I'll provide a link to the manifesto here: http://e2d-international.org/manifesto/
Jun 8 2013: The only way we (the people of planet Earth) are going to impliment sane management is to demand it as one voice. That can be done simply by polling and allowing the majority to rule, within certain guidelines. The basic right to live as we wish so long as we do not harm others for example would be foundational. The reason racial pregudice is illegal in most of the world is because that is the wish of the majority. Lets not fall into the Marxist idea that the people are too stupid to rule themselves. Personally, I would take the group intellect of the voting public over elected representives any day. Stupid people are rare. Stupid politicians are commonplace. Would the people have chosen to start a war based on a lie? I don't think so. Big money controls politics and manipulates the system for their own benefit. We now have the means to take control. All we need to do is conduct polls to determine the will of the peolple. Only absolute dictators would ignore it. Almost one half of the poopulation of Earth is online. We can now speak as one. We don't need representatives any more. We can speak for ourselves.
Jun 9 2013: The problem with majority rule is the potential for the manipulation of the masses.
This is easily done when an uninformed public are given power. How is anyone expected to make good decisions when we do not have access to secret information? If governments have knowledge that the public doesn't have, the power of the majority is an illusion.
Jimmy Strobl
Jun 9 2013: The problem with representative majority rule is in the potential of manipulation of those few in power. Not only are they subjected to media and societal influence just as much as any other person. But they are also easy to target for corruption. They are generally I'll informed on the decisions they make as they have to make so many decisions that they know little or nothing about.
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If you for example look at the SOPA and PIPA debates in congress it's clear that many of them don't even have basic understanding of the web and how it works.
The majority is not subject to lobbying and I therefore think that it's easier to manipulate the few then the many.Jun 8 2013: Interesting conversation, I help manage the E2D site although I am not directly involved in any of the E2D parties.
Just to clarify E2D was set up by a number of electronic direct democracy parties around the world to support each other, and hopefully build a collective like the Pirate Party.
A couple of notes on the comments in this conversation:
- Tyranny of the majority: It is an important consideration, what would have happened to Japanese Americans immediately after the bombing of Pearl Harbor if the majority of Americans decided policy? Well in a representative democracy many were imprisoned without trial... but it is still important to consider and there are unlimited forms a DD system can take, it is up to the original designers of the system (the DD parties at this point), and then that system will probably incorporate paths to evolve according to the populations wishes. There is no reason why a DD system could not continue to have a bill of rights and constitution protecting minorities etc..
An example: SenatorOnline party Australia (if I remember correctly) only wants to field candidates for the senate, which has one senator per state, the senators are like the rubber stamp on policy created in the lower house, so the old political system exists were elected representatives debate and create policy, then the DD system acts through its elected senator/s as a public rubber stamp on all policy - the public gets to vote on whether any legislation is allowed to pass - majority rule.
- Online Party of Canada is active and is fielding a number of candidates and has active debates: http://www.onlineparty.ca/
- USA: I have come across a number of initiatives there but none like standard E2D parties: http://e2d-international.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=137
If anyone wants to join in the E2D forums let me know (Jimmy, we have your party listed but I am not sure if you have an account?), currently new members are not registering due to too many spam accounts.
Jun 8 2013: Hi Sven,
I'm so pleased that you decided to join this Conversation, and I'd like to give you a warm welcome to the TED community! Thanks for your explanation about E2D (and DD), any backup that I get on this Conversation saves me a lot of effort and time. And it also strengthens our message if we are more that are putting up different perspectives and explanations for E2D.
I haven't checked the forum section on E2D at all actually, I usually keep to the Swedish party's website concerning questions on DD and E2D.
I would be grateful if you could give a heads up when it's possible to register once again and I'll do that and join a discussion or two.
Jun 8 2013: Hi Jimmy (or anyone else interested)
I believe you can still register at:
But then an admin like myself will have to activate the account, if you can reply back here with the sign in name you created, or through the E2D Google Group, I will active the account.
The Google Group has had some interesting conversations, I believe this link will allow you to request to join:
There is not a lot of activity on E2D, most members are focused on their local regions, there is work to be done such as cleaning up the manifesto, statutes, etc..
Jun 10 2013: I created a profile under the username: JimmyStrobl and would appreciate if you activated it.Jun 10 2013: Hi Jimmy
I believe your E2D forum account is activated now, let me know if any issues.Jun 8 2013: Thanks, Sven, for being willing to engage with people who have questions!
Jun 9 2013: Fritzie, You asked some questions in a Conversation that has closed and there is no option of emailing you since your profile is protected so I'll leave a link to the conversation with the questions and answers to them here, I hope that's okay.
Conversation Link: http://www.ted.com/conversations/18831/is_there_anywhere_irc_channel.html
TED seems to welcome this. Part of mail from TED Conversations Admin Morton Bast:
"I'd like to thank you as well for your enthusiastic "TED Improvement" conversation and wiki -- we're always happy to hear opinions and feedback -- but I'd also like to caution you that making changes to TED.com is a long process that requires the approval of quite a few very busy people. I'm very impressed with your community leadership, but I also want to make sure that you're prioritizing your efforts appropriately. Thank you so much for understanding."
I am very well aware of Ladan's Conversation, it is link number two in the explanation of my Conversation. And when you read through it you'll see my comment's throughout that Conversation. The same goes for the Conversation (TED staff) Will True had. And just about every conversation about improving TED in some way.
I've been on this for a long time.
I do not wish to pressure TED in any way, I wish to collect and refine ideas about all aspects of improving TED, those ideas that are sound will be much more likely to be implemented when they are refined and presented in a comprehensible way.
I'm not sure if you're asking if it's too "self-promotional " to have this conversation and Wiki or something like that with the last section? The Wiki clearly states that it's an "unofficial, user generated Wiki" right on the start page...
I'd like to continue to answer any questions or statements you might have about the Conversation or Wiki as I don't think that we're completely in sync here, and I think that we can and should be.
But it's perhaps best to do on the Conversation in question.Jun 8 2013: Sven
The internment was reactionary and stupid which sums up the POTUS at that time.
On the other hand slavery would not have been abolished if left to the rule of the majority or women's suffrage or prohibition.
The collective is easily influenced. The danger of this is best illustrated by looking at the willing financial enslavement that the tyranny of the majority produces in most western countries.
In other words it creates a consensus, the fundamental problem is that truth comes from individuals not collectives.
Jun 8 2013: Tyranny of the majority:
"Limits on the decisions that can be made by majorities, as through supermajority rules, constitutional limits on the powers of a legislative body, or the introduction of a Bill of Rights, have been used to counter the problem"
There is no reason why these protections could not exist in a DD system.
An effective DD system like E2D parties wish to create has never been tested on a social level before so it is impossible to say whether this theoretical problem would develop, there are many who say it would not and that minorities would be safer under a DD than the concentration of power in the hands of the few which exists in a Representative Democracy.
Most E2D parties wish to initially function within existing government frameworks so courts, separation of powers, presidential veto's etc would all still exist, it is not an overnight jump into a pure direct democracy and these dangers could be tested and controlled, if the population feels the system is safe it could evolve accordingly.
Jun 9 2013: I see a problem with that, our constitution is set up differently very much focused on assuaging the problems of the tyranny of the majority. But no doubt the current POTUS has demonstrated his willingness to pervert the constitution so who knows?
I guess my main point would be that if you reduce the cost of goverment it will be much harder for the lobbyists or the cronys or the majority to get something for nothing as the money just is not there.
Truthfully this is just a math problem, the balance sheet of the U.S. and most of the western countries simply is FUBAR. We have 20 trillion in current debt with at least another 100 (maybe 200) trillion in unfunded liabilities. So looking at which is the best form of democracy is really rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We either steer around the ice berg (which is probably impossible now) or your point is MOOT.Jun 9 2013: Pat,
How do you think that the slaves and women would have voted on the issue of them being free and equal?
And OBVIOUSLY there were a lot of men who thought that everyone should be free and equal. By majority rule these things would have happened a lot quicker and without all the bloodshed.
Jun 9 2013: The point is tyranny of the majority which in both cases the majority of the voters did not want them to have the right to vote.
In the south the majority did not want abolition, what the slaves wanted was irrelevant to the voters of the south. Lincoln himself did not free the slaves in the north, only the southern slaves to aid the north in the war.
Women's suffrage was less popular than giving the vote to Blacks.
In western countries the majority (which are more socialist than free market) of voters vote for economic enslavement to as much as 70% of their income to pay the taxes of the government who de facto has no accountability to the people. Absolutely tyranny of the majority.
Again you are talking about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.Jun 10 2013: If the majority of the population is socialist and believes in funding a central government for socialist projects, and a minority of the population is free market, but government policy is dictated to the majority by the free market minority, isn't that tyranny by a minority?
Milo Kelley
Jun 28 2013: I'm a late comer to this conversation and I have a number of points to make on this topic and they do not fit in one window. I have included them in comments to my first comment.
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I have found this an interesting adventure in a lack of understanding. While I appreciate your desire to build a system which better represents each person's thoughts/desires/ demands, there are so many issues that could only work if people were honest, informed, able to forego the me to better serve the rest, and the list goes on and on. If all these unstated assumptions were true, the current systems would be working so effectively and efficiently you would not be seeking an alternative.
I've been rather harsh in my comments, but the idea of direct democracy is a worthy goal. I would like to see some rigor in the arguments. I hope you would restart this conversation and start with a goal or problem statement, include your assumptions, and then let us lay out a means to accomplish the goal or correct the problem.
One strong point you have going for you is you have outlined a number of the concerns with the current system. However, you never addressed some of the reason why it is how it is. If you had you would have recognized the each underlying assumption for your own system are unlikely true and nearly impossible to make true. Thus whatever follows is futile.
While you do a fair job at describing the problem you want to solve I have a hard time seeing what are you wanting as the outcome of this thing you call DD? Mostly what I hear is, utopia? Let's suspend human nature, limits of technology, and specifically capabilities of internet security. I appreciate the arguments, but you fail to address even the smallest of reasons why, in my opinion, they never and note NEVER will work.
More to follow.
Jun 30 2013: Hi Milo,
I agree there are many issues and one conversation is not going to cover them all and is too convoluted to work towards solutions to them all. In the E2D forum I have tried to restructure the forums into areas of concern in a tree structure where these issues can be discussed in general and specifically for the E2D parties and how they implement their systems.
Martin Odber
Jun 16 2013: "Can you give examples of situations you feel where delegation would endanger a DD system? "
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Easily and plentifully.
Any vulnerable person can be coerced or manipulated into giving their vote to another.
Possible scenario's?
- old folks homes - sign here oh yes this is good for you trust me trust me
- mentally challenged persons - oh yes sign here this is good for you trust me trust me
- immigrants - sign here or you'll wish you had trust me trust me this is good for you
- destitute poor, I offer you $100 cash to delegate me your vote you don't believe is worth anything but now its a months food. In fact I offer to buy anyones vote willing to sell it for 1-$200 (or another figure) say I buy a million of them, now its cost me what ? $200 million dollars? And I use those votes to get my guy, or gal in, who creates , removes a law that will benefit me to the tune of a billion dollars and perhaps even at the expense of the poor suckers who sold me their votes.
-Another scenario? A whack of us delegate to Honest Jack. Jack doesn't vote as promised, he votes the other way. We take our vote back but too late, damage is done. What then?
..there is a very long list
meanwhile while the honorable persons cast their vote, the dishonorable persons cast thousands
to me, the DAMAGE this could do is far greater than any possible good
If a person does not care enough to vote, is incapable of understanding to vote, then perhaps they need to trust the majority who are voting their conscience.
One person one vote / Security / Anonymity / watchdog rights over your own vote to know its counted.
So far that seems to be the least risky proposition to me.
Sven, I think in order to plan to succeed we must build the system with the expectation that "someone" is going to go to extremes to take advantage of any flaws. Otherwise, when someone does and they will, it will be alot tougher to regain credibility, than it is to protect it
Jun 16 2013: I mentioned some DD parties feel the risks you present are high enough to not allow delegation.
In practice what I have heard and seen from active DD parties is participation is a problem. The average person is not interested in working for their freedom, they would rather someone else work for them. In my mind this is probably the largest subconscious reason why people are ambivalent or reject DD and are happy with the representative system.
I see a danger in not giving delegation, if a huge group of the population go into vote overload having to study and manually vote on each issue, they will stop voting, and that will give a dedicated perhaps unethical group or minority a larger sway if they can mobilize their members to vote.
Elderly/mentally challenged/immigrants - being manipulated into voting a certain way: Yes this can happen, and it can happen in any voting system. Its effects are larger under delegation because the manipulation is persistent but there are a few points:
- What percentage of the population fits into this group, is it large enough to truly be problematic.
- Degenerating delegation: If people have to manually renew their delegations every year that group has to go around each one of those people each year to continue to get the vote.
- If one group can do it then many can, you may get the situation where these people have someone knocking on their door everyday, which cancels out the effect of a single group gaining too much power.
- If society or ethical groups in society became aware of this they would counter it, by visiting these people, educating them.
When you add all of the above solutions together will the effect really be disastrous? We are talking about a fraction of the population, able individuals will not delegate their vote to someone who then votes against their wishes, and if they do they have the freedom to do so. I strongly feel the argument people are not smart or responsible enough is no reason to take away their voteJun 16 2013: Vote buying: If society is responsible they make it illegal and have it policed.
But even if it is not policed, which I think it should, people have the freedom to vote and delegate the way they choose, if they felt the gain of getting a couple of bucks was worth the delegation then they have the freedom to do this.
In Thailand vote buying is endemic, the population thinks hey all politicians are crooks and is going to serve self interest once they get in so I may as well get some bucks from it. On many issues people can go either way so why not take the way that gives you something directly.
I think there is a correlation to Alaska (correct me if I am wrong) where the oil company's give every citizen a check each year in return for extracting and shipping abroad the oil wealth of the state. Pretty much vote buying but, assuming the decision was made by representatives following the majorities wishes, the people chose that the cold cash was worth any damage done by those private companies.
If vote buying became endemic then it would be reported by the media, by groups that are against the decisions being made from vote buying, and the population would know about it and respond accordingly. Again, what portion of the population would fall for this and what portion would fight against it. If a majority fall for it then again they have the freedom to act how they choose, and have to deal with the consequences. As long as the DD freedom persists once they realize they have sold their souls or their children's future they will start to grow up.
Honest Jack:
I mentioned in an earlier post that people who accept delegated votes could be forced to commit their vote before the end of voting, giving people time to see and pull back their delegated vote if they do not agree with how it is being using.
Also the system is fluid, if this happened the population could immediately remove their delegated votes and introduce a new bill rejecting the previous dishonest action.Jun 16 2013: p.s. I also do not agree with the argument that if people are too lazy to vote their wishes should not be considered. I am a busy person and personally not interested in studying every issue that governs me, but I still want my vote heard. If I have to do that myself, and issues are being presented every day or few days, it is just too much. But I am happy to pass that on to someone I trust (who might then pass it on to someone they trust).
Another suggestion I support is allowing delegation by topic, again it is not a simple issue and I have some discussion of this at the E2D forums, but an individual could pass their delegated vote to many people. eg: pass my vote on taxation issues to my accountant, community issues to my pastor, education issues to my Mother, and so on. Each issue would have to be weighted where in the 'topic tree' it falls, but this would give even more freedom and flexibility for the individual to set up their proxies and not have to vote again, knowing their votes are being applied by people they trust are education on each issue.
Jimmy Strobl
Jun 17 2013: Sven,
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I'm reading all the posts here and I'm really learning a lot from you. My participation may seem small but that's because I have nothing to add that you haven't said, I couldn't put anything in a better way.
You're doing a great job here and I hope that you're going to be able to continue having this Conversation for another two weeks.
Jun 22 2013: Sven, you mentioned " laws making it illegal to force an elected representative to vote a certain way" Could you please be specific I would like to read these with a critical eye. I've once or twice read the elections canada laws and never noticed it.Jun 20 2013: Sven,
In reading and re-reading your comments I KNEW they had value and yet I was uncertain as to how to incorporate that safely into a system until right now.
It just struck me like a glop of ice falling from a clear sky.
The Online Party under Michael Nicula www.onlineparty.ca somewhere states that its representative will have a "default position" and that this default position may be changed by the majority vote on any given issue.
With respect to delegating a vote, one could consider they were delegating to the OP representative.
Jun 21 2013: Some the the E2D parties have policy like this, I believe they are trying to ensure that a reasonable viewpoint is voted on by their representative/s in the event there is not a clear majority or there is not an effective quorum (number of voters) to ensure a strong unbiased position on any topic.
I am not convinced it is a good idea, it could be abused or could be perceived as being abused, ie the DD party convinces everyone to vote their candidates in, then through some design say their candidate chose the "default position", whatever that is.
Many are dedicated to presenting scientific evidence as part of their platform so the public has unbiased expert opinion, and I am guessing default position is based on that. I am more of a purist, believing the candidates should abstain in the event the public's vote cannot be tallied, and then use methods such as delegation to increase participation. I am not saying my way is right, all paths are probably fine if they are built on an ethical base.
Keep in mind there are many forms of DD being presented by E2D parties, any one cannot be viewed as representative of the DD movement as a whole. Even the E2D manifesto is only a working document some of the parties worked on a few years back, it gives a basic oversight but the parties have not gotten around to finalizing it, and there are sometimes discussions about making changes (the parties are much more focused on their local work than developing the E2D international collective, which is understandable).Jun 22 2013: About vote delegation.
A thought struck me that vote delegation is not something determined by a party, but rather something determined by in Canada's case, elections Canada.
If this is the case (is it?) then vote delegation is in the same boat as any and all other issues as it would require a majority vote by a combination of the MP's at Parliament and is not decided on a per party basis.
Sven you seem to know the most about this. Can you enlighten us?
Jun 22 2013: Within the scope of the DD party and their candidates I do not think there is any law governing this, except I believe laws making it illegal to force an elected representative to vote a certain way, which in effect a DD party is doing (the candidates are expected to vote according to the majority vote of their constituency). The way around this is that there is no contract of forcing of the candidates, just an 'understanding', obviously if a candidate did not vote the way of the majority then they would not be a candidate for that party next time around.
E2D parties are working within existing election frameworks, and have to obey the law like any other political party. Changes to the laws can be made once their is enough support from the population and the enough DD candidates are voted in (or other representatives agree), but again only if the population at that point wants the laws changed.
I am not sure but maybe you are referring to the representative system itself? ie elections Canada has a structure where a candidate must be fielded, and if that candidate is elected that is the same as delegation? In a way with traditional representative democracy parties (what we have now) whenever you vote for a candidate you are, kind of, delegating your vote to them (but they can act any way they chose once elected). This is different to delegation in the sense of a DD party.
In a DD party you can have no delegation, or delegation. With no delegation every person has to manually vote themselves on any issue to have their vote counted. In a DD party with delegation any person can delegate their vote to anyone else, meaning they do not have to vote, if the person they delegated to votes the original persons vote goes the same way. All of these votes are then tallied for a result, the DD candidate who was elected then looks at the final tally and places their vote (in the actual representative government system) accordingly.
I hope that makes sense..
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Jun 20 2013: I tend to agree that I fear if delegation could be abused it would be, on a "may the richest" or " most feared" person win. Sven mentioned he felt that delegation could be protected from this sort of abuse, but did not specifically say how.
Jun 20 2013: Hi Juan
Abuse of a delegation system is a valid fear, one person one vote is probably the safest option but the way I look at it is what are you going to be able to sell to the public to get a DD system in. Is rejecting delegation worth losing public support and being stuck with the flawed system we have now.
I might be wrong but I think only a small portion of society is going to be prepared to study and then physically vote on each issue that is raised. The people that do will probably just check a social commentators stance and then vote accordingly, if they delegated their vote the result would be the same.
This runs alongside the idea of public vs private voting, if voting is public there is little difference with adding in delegation. If voting was private however adding delegation will increase the effectiveness of forcing people to vote for you, because you will know they have delegated their vote to you. An alternative could be delegated votes are anonymous to the person receiving the delegation.
Your civil rights example is interesting, I would point out that this happened in a representative system in America, and does it still happen today in America? I believe such instances are limited nowadays, how was this practice stopped? Through education but mainly through policing, if an employer tried to drive a truckload of employees to the polling office to vote a certain way they would not get very far, and likely land in prison.
The solution to this under DD delegation I believe is the same as what has worked in America now, making it illegal, investigating it, making people aware of it, and policing against it.Jun 20 2013: I also agree with you about the dangers of a good idea being branded as bad, I was talking with SOL in Australia about ensuring they had a good voting system lined up before gaining power (they don't), they run the risk of fighting tooth and nail to get a representative elected then not having the foundation of a secure and well thought out voting platform.
If it does not perform well for the public, its security is breached, or it simply crashes from too much load the population could sour to the whole concept of DD, and any opponent of DD anywhere in the world will point to that failure as a reason not to trust the DD concept (one of Pat's strawman arguments).Jun 12 2013: Arkady, Perhaps the cause of why the E2D sounds appealing could be discussed. In recent years polls have shown that politicians are about equalivent to used car salespeople in the USA. Laws have been passed admittedly without being read ... many in backrooms without the benefit of the other party being present .... many are by Executive Orders and "back doored" into existance.
I have the same fears as Pat. The poor and middle class would continue to seek entitlements that would be impossiable to fund making work a poor alternative to staying home and being given every need through the taxation of others willing to work.
Perhaps the easier solution would be to limit terms and government size by returning to a Constitutional government and allowing the states to address their needs at that level. Our elected officials have but two concerns election and re-election and I might add a third how many perks and means of obtaining wealth can be achieved while in the millionares club on the hill. They have legislated themselves elite status.
A continuing joke in Illinois is that the dead still vote ... electronic voting has been subject to violations in monitored polling places where "precautions" are in place .... one man in Arizona "collected" four thousand mail in ballots and delivered them to the poll ... just helping his neighbors ... what a nice guy.
This may work ... however, the greater problem is a government to large to support ... curruption .... etc. Once the power is returned to the states then other means can be examined and implemented in a government that is closer and more responsiable to the people.
Maybe ... just maybe ... it would stop $50,000 a plate dinners to bash the wealthy ... a fool and his money .. etc...
I wish you well. Bob.
Jun 22 2013: Perhaps we are no longer a democracy but have morphed in to a plutocracy? This may have spurred the interest in such things asE2D.
Jun 22 2013: In the case of the USA we are a Republic but your point still is valid.
Thanks for the reply. Bob.Jun 23 2013: Sometimes I wonder whether systems that incorporate electronic voting or direct democracy that have been tried before have intentionally been made to fail.
It is difficult to excuse voting machines giving incorrect tallying, or punching holes in the wrong places. It is not really that complicated on a technical level.
That is a bit of a conspiracy theory which I try to avoid, but in cases like this non-transparent private companies like Diebold have been commissioned by politicians to deliver an eVoting machine, what is delivered is proven to be a failure and the population gets scared of eVoting, cementing the need for representatives and inefficient hand voting. Next time around the same company is used..
Your comment about the 4000 mail in ballots made me think of this, it is not that hard to regulate against voter fraud, or at least eliminate the bulk of it, if there is a bureaucratic and public will to do so. We have computers now, data is not that hard to cross-reference.
One note I wanted to mention for a while here is there are already systems of direct democracy in our societies, but they are inefficient, to complicated, and can be ineffectual.
Referendums - limited scope of what issues are being put on the ballot, getting asked the question once and then being stuck with the result, requirement to physically take time to visit a voting booth at a prescribed time.
Citizen Initiatives - this is where if a certain number of signatures are collected over a set period of time the government has to address an issue (in some countries not, the government may "consider" the issue). The signature collecting process is so costly and difficult only groups with large resources can consider it, and in many countries any issue can be ignored or indefinitely delayed by politicians, making the process moot.
Almost as if those who designed the systems (politicians) do not want them to be an effective way to judge public opinion.Jun 12 2013: Arkady,
It is exactly because of the political neutrality of the party that I support it. It means that the objective of the party is only to put this direct democracy in place, and all other issues would then be decided by that democracy in whose hands the power has been placed. Having any other stance would be like saying "We want to give you the power to have your voice heard, only if you agree to these conditions"Jun 11 2013: One idea that makes sense is that development of technology made direct democracy across a large country possible. 200 years ago such system was practically impossible. The idea of replacing the house of representatives with a direct voting system could make sense.
Senate with 2 senators per state regardless of population is supposed to prevent the tyranny of the majority which appears to be the major concern with DD. In E2D manifesto, I don't see any provisions for checks and balances against the tyranny of majority.
It also seems to me that in modern society, "minority" means not as much a small state as some kind of social group which may be distributed across all states. Of course, Senate does not address this kind of disparity. Any ideas how to address this issue?
Jun 11 2013: Hi Arkady,
I made a note earlier about possible solutions to the theoretical problem of a Tyranny of the majority, from Wikipedia I quoted solutions including limits on the decisions that can be made by majorities, as through super majority rules, constitutional limits on the powers of a legislative body, or the introduction of a Bill of Rights, these could all exist in a DD system.
When a piece of legislation is being considered it is logical to allow it to pass or reject it according to the majority decision, otherwise you are following a minority decision. You can then have a legal process such as a constitution that protects every persons rights, and those of minorities.
The majority might pass legislation saying anyone with a Japanese name has to pay twice as much tax, this gets challenged in a constitutional court and the legislation is rejected as discriminatory.
There are many paths to protect against this concept, one path is requiring a super majority for certain legislation, for example changes to the core DD system itself, you might say a super majority of 80% support is needed to make changes to the core system, or 90%, or any value that is considered safe by the population. Society might choose that a super majority of 75% is needed to enact laws that might be considered discriminatory against minorities.
I think it is far fetched to think that any developed Western country would try and be successful under a DD system in passing a law that states for example "Women cannot vote" or "Blacks should be slaves", we live in times where the majority of the population have reasonably strong morals.
Senate with 2 senators per state regardless of population creates a situation where low population states have disproportionate sway in elections, there are many who feel this is unfair.
Jun 12 2013: But those safeguards are already extant with the Republic of the United States of America.
But it is not farfetched that the majority will vote themselves public transfers as with the current POTUS. This is not just the poor but also with the middle class. Things like the mortgage deduction, social security and medicare and others, these are called entitlements but none the less are the biggest contributors to the coming bankruptcy of the U.S.
The whole idea of 2 Senators from each state is to create fairness as the small population states have equal power in the Senate but are almost completly ignored in the House.
Jun 12 2013: Yes these safeguards exist in the representative system in the USA, and that is a good thing.
They could also exist in a direct democracy. That is my point. You are rejecting a direct democracy because you fear a tyranny of the majority, but the same protections could exist that exist now.
Yes the population could vote to remove these protections, but so can the current representative system using super majorities, so in a direct democracy you create the same, a difficult super majority is needed to amend the constitution. How is this different or more dangerous?Jun 12 2013: Is it fair that small population states have equal power in the senate? This is a dangerous allowance, it means that because of where you live your single vote is worth more than other peoples, your view on education spending, taxation, the nation going to war, all mean more than someone living in another part of the country. All because of a line on a map.Jun 12 2013: Nope reread my post
No they would not exist in a direct democracy
Jun 12 2013: which post are you referring too, I see no post addressing how these protections cannot exist.
Why can a constitution not exist under a direct democracy?
Why would a super majority requirement to make amendments to the constitution not work in a direct democracy?
Why could a bill of rights not exist in a direct democracy?
If they function in a representative democracy why not under a direct democracy?
I would like to restate that there are many forms a direct democracy can take, it could be a pure direct democracy with no protections or any type of protections could be included. It could exist in single levels of government, eg senate only, it could even be its own new level, similar to the presidential veto there could be an extra population veto.
It might be what is in your minds eye as a 'direct democracy' is different to many of the options I am describing.Jun 12 2013: This:
But those safeguards are already extant with the Republic of the United States of America.
But it is not farfetched that the majority will vote themselves public transfers as with the current POTUS. This is not just the poor but also with the middle class. Things like the mortgage deduction, social security and medicare and others, these are called entitlements but none the less are the biggest contributors to the coming bankruptcy of the U.S.
The whole idea of 2 Senators from each state is to create fairness as the small population states have equal power in the Senate but are almost completly ignored in the House.
Jun 12 2013: If you can create a constitution that the population is bound to in a representative democracy, why can you not in a direct democracy?
I do not see any argument against this in your post. You are simply saying that the population will vote for entitlements, money from the government (which belongs to them anyway, for better or worse). I do not see how that means constitutional and super majority protections cannot exist?Jun 12 2013: This is the tyranny of the majority, further illustrated by your disposition that "which belongs to them anyway"
The poor will always vote for more free stuff, the rich are always paying for most of the taxes.
Jun 13 2013: And after paying their taxes the rich are still rich, and after getting free stuff the poor are still poor.
Where is the "tyranny", who is being "oppressed"?
If being oppressed means I am rich, hold more wealth and power than the average person, please, oppress me.Jun 13 2013: If you use force it is tyranny. The rich (a straw man) do not use force except through cronyism. The poor ( also a straw man) do use force through the tyranny of the majority.
If the party in question is using force it is oppression
If there was no coercion/force the exchange would not have been made.
Jun 13 2013: No force = anarchy
No coercion = anarchy
Complete freedom = anarchy
We already live in an oppressive society, every law oppresses someone (see my post attempting to work through the definition of tyranny of the majority below).
Is a progressive tax system "tyranny"? To some people, especially the rich, yes. To the average person.. probably not.Jun 13 2013: Re: "Another that I support is delegation, you pass your vote directly to that spokesperson, similar to what you do now with representatives, you would then never have to think about another policy again, but your voice is being heard the way you want it to be heard. If that person acts like a moron, you change your delegation to someone else."
But that's the representative system. We've come full circle.
Jun 13 2013: In the current representative system you cannot pull back your vote at any time, if your representative is voting differently than you want on an issue you feel strongly about there is nothing you can do.
In the current system you are forced to choose a representative from a small list of people you probably have never met. In a fluid DD you can pass your vote to anyone, your school teacher, a friend or family member. Or you can vote yourself.
These are pretty big differences.Jun 11 2013: FWIW this is no longer the case since the 17th amendment this safeguard was removed and the US senators are now voted in by popular vote.
Jun 12 2013: Well, still there are 2 senators per state, regardless of the population of the state.
Jun 12 2013: The point is that they are elected by popular vote (tyranny of the majority).
This may sound like a small deal but many experts say otherwise. 2 points, one is that if the states appoint the senators then they are not beholden to who gave then their jobs*. This is the reason Supreme Court Justices are selected for life.
2nd point is if the senators are appointed by the state. When they are co opted by the beltway culture the states can prevent the co opting from having an effect.
When Andrew Jackson was trying to abolish the first central bank there were 7 senators from several southern states who tried to vote to allow the central bank at which point they were recalled and fired by the states which allowed Jackson to abolish the central bank.
*In Calif we have a senator who is a completely corrupt, as her husband is a realty magnate to the tune of billions (who do you suppose pays for her campaigns?):
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/blum.aspJun 12 2013: Why do you think that appointed officials cannot be corrupt? Government officials can appoint their cronies very well. The danger of tyranny of the majority is a fundamental issue with any democracy. I don't think, direct democracy is any better or worse in that respect than any other type of democracy.
Jun 12 2013: That is why I say education is the real answer.
The Republic is a safeguard, that as I indicated allowed Jackson to stop the renewal of the central bank, the southern states forced their senators to vote as they wanted, which stopped them from being co opted because their job was beholden to the the state which held them accountable.Jun 12 2013: "Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." -- ChurchillJun 12 2013: Pat, the video makes sense.
Quite honestly, I don't want to vote on anything and make choices on every little thing in which I am no expert and have no interest anyway. Voting for the state government and trusting it to represent my interest in federal government sounds good to me.
There is some wisdom in the idea that U.S. Senators appointed by the state government are accountable to the state government while Senators elected by the popular vote are, essentially, accountable to no one. How many people are following what their Senator is voting for? And what power to change anything have those few who are?
What I don't like in the current bipartisan political system in the U.S. is that people vote for a party, regardless of the candidate. The candidate may be a complete moron, but it does not bother people if he belongs to "their" party. I, personally, do not like socialism and find many attractive points in Republican agenda. Listening to Republican candidates on many issues (remember "folders of women" and Romney's bloopers in his speeches in Middle East and London?), however, makes me cringe. But many people are deaf to these things. They just go "Republican" and they go with anything from approving torture to destroying 9 out of 10 amendments from the Bill of Rights (save the 2nd) as long as it comes from "Republicans".
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Jun 12 2013: Agreed two sides of the same coin. Libertarian is not a part of that coin.
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Again the overarching point is spending. I don't care what the ideology is if it cannot be funded. This is where I deviate from Sven and Jimmies ideas. Spending creates economic enslavement and empowers corruption and dumb ass ideologies.
Truthfully the subject is just rearranging the deck chair on the Titanic. Which mean there will be a correction much like what has gone on in Argentina and the U.S. will become a 3rd world country. I have decided talking to people about this is futile as witnessed in today's talk from the former Greek prime minister, in which he still talks about everything imaginable except reducing the spending.Jun 13 2013: From watching the video about senators being beholden to their state government, the reason for this is to stop corruption of those senators from central government or outside interests. Corrupting them to vote "against the wishes of the people of their state", not the wishes of the state government, although it is implied the state government's wishes are the same as those of the people of the state, but state governments are corruptible just like any other small group of individuals.
So, in the USA, why not have direct democracy on a state level, DD senators are sent to Washington and must vote according to the majority wishes of the people in their state. Then you know, without question, that they are representing the wishes of the people of their state.
There are many forms DD can take, all of them are about gauging the actual desires of the population that is being governed, not using an ineffective, often corrupted system of representatives to determine what the population wants.
Arkady, I understand and agree with your comment that you do not have the time or knowledge to vote on everything, one DD solution is you find someone you trust (maybe a conservative spokesperson) and vote the way they suggest. Another that I support is delegation, you pass your vote directly to that spokesperson, similar to what you do now with representatives, you would then never have to think about another policy again, but your voice is being heard the way you want it to be heard. If that person acts like a moron, you change your delegation to someone else.Jun 13 2013: Hi Pat,
I have not expressed my personal feelings about government spending in this conversation, what I have written is that if the majority of the population feels their should be entitlements, or any type of spending, or any type of cost reduction, then our government should act accordingly.
My personal feelings are similar to yours in that many paths current governments are taking are unsustainable, but my view and the solutions I envision are only one persons, there are millions of other people who have views, and they should all be counted equally.
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Jun 13 2013: I'm not saying it is perfect, just that it is better than anything else by virtue of the results it has produced.
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This system has been tested for 230 or so years and created by people like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington. Point is that these guys demonstrated real cajones, second only to their intelligence with their deeds and what they created.
With that said I am extremely reluctant to endorse something untried and not completely thought out created by who?Jun 13 2013: Hi Pat
How a DD system is implemented is very important, when discussing this I see three steps:
1) Do you agree with the concept of a direct democracy - societies making decisions for themselves.
2) If yes what form of DD, it can come in any shape and I have suggested some here but there are many others, it is not up to me to tell you which is best, I can only state my opinion - it is only my opinion.
3) Once you understand the system you think is correct, how do you implement it. Secure voting. Private or public voting? Ensuring everyone has access. Is the internet safe enough or what security procedures are needed. What are the fails-safes in case the system is attacked. These are all important issues that have to be decided on.
Who creates it? You do, I do, anyone in society who has an idea, and can convince others it is a good idea does. If you have faith in the majority (and I understand many people do not, I do), then whatever evolves will be right.
There were some very smart and moral people who created the democracies we use now, and these systems have been wonderful in empowering people to achieve great things. Is the system perfect, can it be improved? I think so.
As you say the system was created 230 years ago, surely over those two centuries the human race has enough combined intelligence and experience to improve the system? Maybe just maybe, the population being a lot larger than it was 230 years ago, there might be some people alive now who are smart enough to work with society on creating a stronger system?
There will be many who will be scared of change, will warn such freedom will mean the end of humanity, I am sure when the Founding Fathers of the US were creating their system many felt the same way. Especially monarchs, power barons, and warlords.Jun 13 2013: Sven
You have said your peace, I have said mine.
I agree to disagreeJun 10 2013: Jimmy,
I also wanted to say that the ideas being proposed are reasonable and good. They are also timely because humans are on the precipice of change and revolution(some quiet, some not so quiet) because of the wide spread usage and availability of electronic communications and information tech. Some of the revolutions will, sadly, not succeed because those in power will do absolutely anything they think is necessary to maintain their way of life and belief in their status.
The representative majority we have in the US believe that they are the elite. They generally believe they are better educated and are trained to do what they do. Some of these politicians come from generational families that believe it is their right to "rule". Which is quite scary.
Of course there are many good people in government but they are usually too busy doing a good job to play the dirty politics that would allow them to be in positions to make meaningful or helpful changes. And there are just not enough of them! The Internet is starting to make a dent in the Washington status quo and this is probably why they are quite eager to start sticking their tentacles, controls and bureaucracies on the Internet. Once they do, the freedom we have on the Internet will disappear very, very quickly.
So, although I do not completely agree with everything that Pat Gilbert said or believes, I do understand his attitude, beliefs and his fears. It is quite possibly too late to do any of what you and others here have talked about here. At least not peacefully. I hope and wish with all my heart and soul that it is not too late. There are people out there who are trying to get those fools and crooks in Washington to pay attention but I do not believe they are listening!
Americans, being who we are, will eventually come to understand that 'they' will not give up their power without a serious fight. Then the necessary change will not be peaceful, sadly.
Jun 10 2013: My personal feelings are that it could be possible without violence or a revolution, although I do not think USA will be the leader. If some smaller countries implement a DD, and it proves effective, populations in other countries will start to take notice.
Will the powerful give up power peacefully, I think if the system changes relatively slowly and the population demands the change, most would buckle, the alternative is blatant oppression which is a path I think few would take. In developed Western countries where democracy and rule of law are ingrained in peoples minds I think it is safer, I currently live in Thailand and I think there would be more danger of oppression here.
Those who control power would likely fight a covert battle however, through media, attacking the system, the DD parties etc, anything to show that DD is not a safe alternative.Jun 10 2013: The reason why I think that this is so important is because we have to avoid that bloodshed at much as we can. If the people can take the power by the current rules only dictatorships would try to stop this.
And there would be no need for a bloody revolution, only a massive system change that comes from within the system.
I can understand that you (and many others, I used to be included) have lost faith in there being any way to make the required changes come through in time without massive bloodshed. I think that this is the solution to that.
If anything was left unclear, ill explained or if you have other questions please don't hesitate to say so.
I hope those answers helped a bit.
Ben Jarvis
Jun 10 2013: it sounds like a good idea, until you think about it. say there's a new bill before parliament regarding regulations on the standards of public construction projects such as bridges. would you want the majority of the population voting on it when most people have no idea about structural engineering principles? ordinary people don't have the time or resources to collect all the appropriate information on every topic and verify it before voting, so we have to defer to those who do. also if we all voted on every little thing, we'd be even more under the control of companies who'd benefit from our 'yes' vote by their advertising power and manipulation potential - you'd make the very problem you are trying to avoid worse.
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1) You either don't live in the US or you have a really bad palette.
2) Yes, my burgers at home taste better because they don't sit in a vat of water all day.
3) It's easy; if you don't my complaint, don't read it. Just because you are an assistant manager (all three points of defense tells me that), doesn't mean your garbage tastes good.
I would rather give my money to a politician than dine in your dump.
McDonads still uses beef flavoring in their fries in the USA
current mcdonalds fries ingredients list.. and McDonalds burgers do not sit in water... neither do Five Guys, our local one cooks them to order, they never sit anywhere.... at all. no idea where you got that idea from.... one of those steamed burger joints?..
Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (Canola Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [Wheat and Milk Derivatives]*, Citric Acid
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A vote for Obama in a swing state is a no-brainer, because, on a host of issues, there is a vast partisan difference that should not be ignored.
If Mitt Romney wins, the upside will be that I get to be taxed at the same rate he has enjoyed as one of the nation's most skillful hedge fund hustlers.
Obama will carry the youth vote, but turnout is key, especially among young Latino voters in swing states.
The Republican ticket's reactionary conservation policies would sell off America's "crown jewels."
Democratic candidates haven't always had labor's back—but Republicans are intent on ending collective bargaining altogether.
If pro-charter proposals in Washington State or Georgia pass this November, that will mark the first time charter schools have won at the ballot box.
No TV ads, no fancy consultants. The staunchly progressive Vermont senator is coasting toward re-election by talking about real issues, listening to voters and organizing.
The disaffection across the country goes way beyond an "enthusiasm gap."
Wilson served on the president's auto industry task force and says Romney has "really mishandled" the issue.
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'Jack the Giant Slayer' is standard storybook fare, with dazzling special effects masking a lack of character magic
"Jack the Giant Slayer"
Rating: PG-13
When: Opens today
Where: Wide release
Running time: 1 hour, 54 minutes
Nicholas Hoult
Eleanor Tomlinson
King Brahmwell
Ian McShane
Ewan McGregor
Stanley Tucci
General Fallon
Bill Nighy
Hollywood's been busy raiding the bin of public-domain fairy tales and spinning them around into edgier, though not necessarily improved, adaptations like "Red Riding Hood" and "Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters." So it was only a matter of time until Jack and his towering beanstalk got the star treatment. But with "Jack the Giant Slayer," it's director Bryan Singer ("X-Men," "X2") who flouts his big-budget star power, putting spectacular special effects ahead of the story and its heroes.
Granted, the folk tale upon which the film is based isn't exactly a gripping character study; a poor farm boy trades a cow for some magical beans, which sprout a massive stalk that takes him to a skyward land. There he steals from, and eventually kills, a man-eating giant. In Singer's version, an orphaned Jack (Nicholas Hoult, "X-Men: First Class") is working as a farmhand for an uncaring uncle who grows furious when the boy trades their only workhorse to a fugitive monk, desperate to unload the precious magical beans he just stole from the castle of King Brahmwell (Ian McShane), the benevolent ruler of 12th-century Cloister.
In fact, the beans were about to be employed by the king's most trusted aide, Roderick (an unfortunately toothed Stanley Tucci), as the kickoff to his nefarious scheme to seize command of the giants, considered by most to be merely the stuff of legend, and conquer the kingdom. When the humble Jack inadvertently sprouts the stalk, the fair Princess Isabelle (Eleanor Tomlinson, "Alice in Wonderland"), visiting the farmhouse after becoming stranded in the rain, is vaunted toward the giants. The king dispatches a rescue crew that includes his highest-ranking royal knight (Ewan McGregor), Roderick and a seemingly outmatched Jack.
Despite the palace intrigue that sets it all in motion, the story itself is quite basic: rescue the princess, foil Roderick's plot and don't get killed by the monstrous giants who've been holding a grudge against humanity for eons. It's all at the right level for a PG-13 audience, though older teens, and adults not accompanying kids, might find it all to be just a little too storybook.
The 3-D motion-capture giants, however, are most certainly going to catch and keep your attention (and potentially frighten younger kids, so mind the rating). Not only are they fast and ferocious, they are grotesque in appearance and manner. It's hard not to lean back in disgust as they slobber, smear filth and chomp down on whatever sheep or human is unlucky enough to cross their path.
The giants are able to elicit such a strong reaction because of the in-your-face 3-D and motion-capture technology used to turn actors into these digital monstrosities. They're also helped by the actors' excellent voice work, particularly Bill Nighy as the vicious General Fallon and John Kassir as his lesser half — literally a shrunken, misshapen head that sprouts from Fallon's neck and spews guttural, unintelligible exclamations of malicious support as they pursue the humans and squabble among themselves.


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March 2014Volume 64, 2014
Should libertarians adopt the language and perspectives of identity politics? Where does that leave the individual? In this issue, Max Borders looks at our intellectual tradition and comes away skeptical that identity politics has any improvements to offer. Anne Wortham discusses her life and career as an individualist in a world anxious to reduce her to a demographic symbol and Sarah Skwire says privilege changes depending on the context. Plus Wendy McElroy looks at America's prison industry, Benjamin Powell discusses sweatshops, and much more.


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In the hypothetical world, a fan wouldn't be required if a Corvette was constantly driven at high speeds (definitely an enticing concept, but not too practical). Airflow from the vehicle's velocity would be sufficient to allow for adequate airflow over the radiator surface, with the result being proper cooling. After all, that's pretty much how World War II aircraft with liquid cooled engines worked (good examples being the P-51 Mustang, Spitfire, Warhawk, and so on). While this would be an ideal situation, it's seldom possible-or realistic. Because of this, a fan of some sort becomes a necessary evil.
Fan Technology
Given the fact that a fan is pretty much an essential commodity, it's probably a good idea to install one that actually works. There are a number of good quality fans on the market, and they range from OEM, factory produced models to stainless steel flex versions, and of course, electric jobs that are so common on late-model Corvettes and used with regularity on many Vette Rods. The typical "standard" fan assembly is fixed. It rotates constantly with the water pump shaft. A thermostatic fan is just that-a fan that slows down when cooling requirements have diminished. This type of fan has seldom been used in North American passenger car applications or Corvettes (cost, size, and complexities being factors). Flexible fans reduce their pitch as engine rpm increases (or more correctly, as pulley speed increases). Fluid coupling fans (sometimes referred to as viscous clutch fans) speed up or slow down-again dependent upon engine or pulley speed. Viscous or "clutch" fans were regular fixtures on Corvettes for years. Electric fans are simply remote units that depend upon the vehicle's electrical system for operation. Dependent upon the application, they can be manually switched or can operate via an integral thermostatic coupling. Of course, late-model Corvettes all came factory-equipped with electric fans.
Horsepower is Horsepower
Certain types of fans require more horsepower for operation than others. Leading the pack in terms of least power absorption is, of course, the electric fan. They rely upon battery power to operate, but keep in mind that the battery will be drained when the unit is in operation. That means the charging system has to keep up (basically, the engine has to power the alternator demands instead of turning the fan, and it still must power the water pump and other accessories). In terms of conventional fans, both the flex fan and the clutch fan offer considerable advantages as far as horsepower losses are concerned. Obviously, a flex fan is far less complicated than its clutch fan stable mate, but it too has some drawbacks. Some flex fan designs simply take a "set" at a given position following sustained use. The result, of course, is too little fan action and, ultimately, reduced cooling. Depending upon the Corvette, one of the safest bets in terms of fans is the original equipment style clutch or fluid coupling system. When the clutch mechanism is in competent operating condition, the fan works flawlessly, declutching as the engine speed or pulley speed increases. The final outcome is more available horsepower when you need it.
When dealing with conventional fans, one area that you should think about is a phenomenon called blade stall. Similar to an aircraft propeller, the fan attached to your Corvette engine can in fact be turned too fast. A massive amount of turbulence is created that effectively decreases the airflow through the radiator. Obviously, overheating will be the consequence, but fixing the problem might be more difficult. The only real solution is to reduce the speed of the fan, which can be handled easily with a pulley that's a different diameter.


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The Davis Nursing Program at Gardner-Webb University, offered through the Degree Completion Program (DCP, formerly GOAL), is an RN to BSN program designed to allow registered nurses to achieve their Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BSN) degree. The RN to BSN program prepares registered nurses to practice professional nursing in a variety of settings and provides the foundation for graduate study in nursing. The Davis Nursing Program for RN students is offered entirely online through the Blackboard Learning Program. The length of time required to complete the RN to BSN Program varies for each individual due to differences in educational backgrounds.
Mission Statement
The mission of the Hunt School of Nursing is to enhance the health status of the global community by preparing individuals to practice holistic and professional nursing through the provision of student centered programs of study for a diverse student population that promotes academic excellence within a Christian, private, liberal arts setting utilizing teamwork and community engagement.
- Establish a liberal arts education environment based on Christian values fostering academic excellence, integrity, and commitment to lifelong learning.
- Provide student-centered programs of study based on current national competencies of nursing practice to meet the global health care needs of individuals, groups, and communities in which holistic nursing practice, Christian caring, critical thinking, and professionalism are modeled.
- Engage in partnerships with community health care facilities in the provisions of service learning opportunities for students that include patient-centered care, evidence-based practice, and interdisciplinary collaboration.
- Graduate a diverse population of students who are prepared to practice patient-centered nursing care that is culturally competent, holistic, and professional within the context of a global environment in a manner that influences nursing and health care policy and practice.
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- Meet educational needs of eligible students holding valid license to practice as a registered nurse who desire to pursue baccalaureate nursing education at a small, private, liberal arts, Christian university.
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- Be involved in role-related Professional Practice one year following graduation.
- Demonstrate satisfactory nursing practice to their employers.
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- Incorporate professional values and ethical, moral, and legal aspects of health care into their nursing practice.
- Employ knowledge of the political system in providing direct and indirect care to clients.
- Apply theoretical underpinnings to their nursing practice and research.
- Assume personal responsibility and accountability for professional nursing practice.
- Demonstrate knowledge of leadership theory and practice.
- Be prepared to continue their education to achieve graduate education.
Registered Nurses holding Baccalaureate Degrees may advance in their careers to become Nurse Managers, Nurse Educators, School Nurses, or Community Health Nurses.
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Sadly, a lot of our drag racing heritage is starting to fade into the sunset of time and oblivion-from the passing of legends like Dick Wells, Wally Parks, Pat Foster, and many others, to the destruction of storied tracks where a lot of racing legends were born. Places like Lions, Orange County International, U.S. 30, and Miami-Hollywood are where history was made, fables created, and drag racing put its stamp on American society and culture. But not everything is fading or rusting away. All across America, drag racing enthusiasts and racers are doing what they can to preserve our 1320 history.
Ted Beach grew up watching, and later racing at Indiana's fabled U.S. 30 Dragway, watching gassers like Uncle Sam, The Barbarian, Orange Sunshine, and others duke it out in quarter-mile grudge matches that were the epitome of the action during the golden age of drag racing. Another car that always turned heads and was the ire of other gassers was Naperville, Illinois-native Frank Marshall's Metalflake Red '58 Chevy named "Daddy's Thing." Powered by a 427 big-block, Daddy's Thing was the scourge of Midwest and northeastern tracks like U.S. 30, Oswego, Great Lakes Dragaway, and others. Driven by Frank, the '58 had a well-known winning reputation against its gasser and match race opponents. The name Daddy's Thing was due in part to Frank's seven daughters helping out as crew at races, where the girls would assist their mom and dad (Frank's wife raced an early '70s Demon). The '58's best time back then was an 11.12 at Lake Geneva.
After campaigning the car for several years, Frank traded it for a truck when a heart attack sidelined him from racing for good. The car was repainted and renamed Mad Wally, then raced at Oswego for a few more years until the strip shut down in '79. With the track's closing, the '58 was mothballed, not to see the light of day for almost 30 years.
Beach never forgot watching those gassers run, and over the years bought and restored some of the old veterans like the '37 Chevy Coupe Uncle Sam, and the '68 Chevelle Time Machine. When he heard that the '58 Chevy that used to be Daddy's Thing had resurfaced, he knew it had to be his. But a disappointing call to the new owner told him it wasn't for sale, so Ted went back to his daily routine and working on the cars he had. A few months later, the owner called back and asked if Ted was still interested in buying the car. Shortly after, the '58 was in Ted's shop for what would be a full rebuild back to its original racing condition.
Sitting for so long had taken a toll on the '58's body, with cancer everywhere. Since aftermarket replacement panels for '58s are nonexistent, Ted had to track down a solid donor car from Michigan to get good sheetmetal for the rejuvenation. As the restoration was progressing, Ted started getting all sorts of background info on the car's history from fellow racers and Marshall's widow. During the restoration, several holes and dings in the engine crossmember caught Ted's attention. It was found out the car originally raced with a 283, but after numerous catastrophic engine failures that left the discovered damage marks, a 427 rat was dropped in. For the restoration, Ted built a fresh 427 with massaged factory rectangular port iron heads, Comp Cams solid street roller bumpstick and valvetrain, with a Weiand tunnel ram intake and a pair of 660 cfm Holleys handling fuel delivery.


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1. Easy Bake Quilt Top, 2. Pretty Petals, 3. IMG_7019, 4. double hourglass, 5. Citrus Quilt, 6. feltflowerpillow4, 7. a new pillow, 8. Car Seat Cover - Girl Version, 9. Mom's Quilt, 10. Zig Zag Baby Quilt, 11. Double hourglass baby quilt, 12. DSC_0390, 13. Raw Edge Circle quilt top done, 14. Hopeful Quilt, 15. IMG_6434, 16. 054
I love seeing what you make. LOVE it. It makes me want to go sit at my sewing machine and sew all day long (as if). I just wanted to share some of the fabulous quilts and projects you've shared with me…some off flickr and some from emails. Thank you for sharing them!
Basket Case, Chain Reaction and Easy Bake Quilt made by Irelle and Wendy at the Fabric Quarter Quilt Shop:
Juice Boxes Quilts by Kellie and Coni:
This cute cute CUTE Chain reaction quilt made from the animal card print is available as a kit at the Fabric Quarter Quilt Shop here. And if you happen to get it, don't forget there is a 10% off coupon code (CLUCK10) on her sponsor button over there----->
I'm trying to pack my suitcases as fast as I can while my kids are at school/asleep….the kids and I are off to Vegas tonight to escape the snow for a week. Off I go!