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- Olivier Coquillo
- Fremont, CA
- United States
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Why can't we all get together and find a cure to all terminal diseases?
I have not done enough research on collaboration between research centers but I promise to read all of your comments, since I am mostly asking this question to learn from you.
One of my dreams is to be able to witness an international collaboration and a public commitment from top research centers to find a cure to terminal diseases and to distribute the cure for free to people in need.
Do you think that there is a competition between research centers and scientists? Do you think that some groups are more focused on finding a cure to make money rather than finding a cure to save lives? I would love to know what you think.
May 4 2013: If they find a cure they lose their job and paycheck.
Everett Hill
May 4 2013: This is a big part of it. Cured people don't pay money, sick people do. If you find a cure, you make a lot of money short term, but not long term.
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May 8 2013: It's likely that as new diseases emerge and deadly epidemics pose serious threats to the Western world, pharmaceutical companies, doctors and researchers will collaborate to create more cures, rather than simply medicating the pestilence. However, it will unmistakably come at a cost. The collaborators will probably be quite parsimonious when administering free drugs to poverty stricken communities.
Everett Hill
May 8 2013: The response to disease or epidemics striking the western world would be incredibly fast. However, the treatment would not be widespread unless it would benefit those major economic areas of the world. It is sad that medicine has become what it is today.
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May 4 2013: It think it should be both it would be a better way to balance cost and profits
The method can change as can the cure. The economic problems are easy trust in new systems and business models are the challenge.
Human health has always bin a living paradox its a changing puzzle
With many different solutions and problems.
Ben Wang
May 7 2013: But there's always the possibility of finding better and cheaper cures, which can possibly be even more profitable than the original cure itself.
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Mass production of said cure and distribution are also profitable things that research centers could then focus on. So I doubt they'd be losing their jobs anytime soon.May 2 2013: I think a large part of the problem is the business model that 'curing' diseases produce and the ability to make huge amounts of cash on it. The best thing to reduce this would be to reduce patents on drugs to a year lifespan or something
May 2 2013: Hi Scott...I can see how reducing patents on drugs can help...I always wonder, would there be a lack of interest in becoming a scientist if finding a "formula" for a cure was less rewarding? Would some people stop pursuing careers in areas that serve humanity but are not so financially rewarding?
Thanks for your comment Scott.May 19 2013: Legislation in this direction on the national level, with some global treaty backing would be a great aid to all of us.May 12 2013: Sometimes it's frustrating to see drug companies working tirelessly to produce new drugs to treat chronic symptoms (which is important, but also has the added benefit of life-long drug users and therefore an ongoing revenue stream) and less on finding a cure for the underlying problem causing the symptoms, which would provide a life time of relief for patients, but also yield smaller profits.
Luckily there are lots of university researchers and small bio-techs out there trying to solve these problems, but it takes time, lots of time, oodles of money, and years of trials to get new drugs and treatments approved. A lot of these researchers spend more time writing grant proposals than they do actually conducting research. And before beginning research, one first has to have an idea, inspiration or hypothesis for a cure to test.
To that end, something I'm interested in right now is creating an online space where everyday people with chronic illnesses can come and share information about their condition (symptoms, treatments they have tried, both mainstream and alternative, what's working, what's not), but in a standardized way so we can run reports and generate graphs and charts to facilitate our understanding of the data. My hope is that these reports will lead researchers to realize connections and disease relationships that were previously unknown, and spur new ideas for cures.
May 13 2013: Nicola, are you on LinkedIn?
Karl Meyer
May 22 2013: On "cure" vs. "treat:" It is nice to have the immense R&D capability that the pharmaceutical companies have because of the immense financial reserves they generate, And in the case of truly chronic diseases this is good. However, the mandate to generate increasingly large profits (corporations must do this by law) may be counterproductive when it comes to finding solutions for truly curable diseases or putting treatments that no longer fall under patent protection through clinical trials. It is a real risk in cases like these that the company would not be able to recoup its investment. As such, it is a sad fact, I think, that the current trend is for businesses to focus mostly on treatment and not so much on cure. It is an area that I believe needs some government intervention.
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On competition between researchers: I know there is significant competition among researchers, if only by virtue of the fact that they need to compete for money to continue their studies. My brother-in-law is a medical researcher at a university and he spends a large portion of his time not on research but on writing grant proposals. And when he doesn't get the grant, naturally it hurts his research, so of course he fights hard to show that his research is a more worthwhile investment than the other person's. That having been said, I am encouraged by all of the opening up of research journals and information that has been released by open access journals, and I know that collaboration among scientists exists. I think one of the key things to be considered is that it is not usually the pettiness of individual scientists that creates competition. Rather, competition is more often due to the way we have systematized the allocation of available resources that the scientists need to do their jobs. Again, I think that the solution to achieving greater collaboration among scientists would require the government to step in.
Jun 1 2013: I agree with you Karl. This is not something that can be done without the government.May 22 2013: As soon as Humanity decides that people are more important than money, power, and glory, unncessary suffering through disease will be gone... and longevity will increase. I recently was able to walk around a college campus. In one lab, the students were stopping atoms using lazers. In another lab, they were studying Oncology: Yet, these two labs never communicate with each other. This makes no sense at all ! I think Humanity already has the technology to "Manage" disease better, and therefore eliminate virtually any type of disease. Money, patenting, control, responsibility, law, all hold things back.
Unfortunately, even in the best case scenario, diseases will always have to be managed because they are "Infinite" and "Entropy" is infinite.
I do not know how to change Humanity's values from an Entertainment, Restaurant based values to values of reducing suffering and increasing joy. We need 10,000 more electron micro-scopes, and 10,000 fewer restaurants. 10,000 more Biochemists, and 10,000 fewer people being paid minimum wage.
Thank you for the question. I appreciate knowing that others care.
Jun 1 2013: Thank you Thomas!May 7 2013: OC, not to burst your bubble, but I honestly don't think we can ever find a cure for cancer or HIV. I'm not saying this as a pessimist who is giving up I speak as a researcher, with full understanding of the diseases, and more importantly as a realist wanting to attempt a satisfactory treatment. Treatment, not cure. I'm not saying researchers and doctors should give up. I'm saying they need to accept that there may NEVER be a full cure, and try to find a treatment that gets as close to a cure as possible..
And as far as centres dedicated to specific diseases, we have a LOT of them scattered around the world. What is lacking here is primarily networking between the researchers. Scientists are generally reluctant to publish all of the data they generate because they have plagiarism concerns. What would really help is the WHO co-ordinating more programmes. Raising awareness. Bringing people with resources and researchers with ideas together. And getting people willing to skip the small stuff and look at a bigger picture.
P.S. Sorry about rambling on. This is an issue that's personal to me and i find it difficult to remain objective.
May 7 2013: You may find it difficult to remain objective, but as a researcher in this area, you may still be the closest to an objective understanding of the subject.
May 7 2013: When it's about work, yes. But when I'm talking about it.. I tend to ramble on :) Thanks though!May 8 2013: Sindhu, I believe we can find a cure to cancer and HIV if we combine our research efforts on an international level. A transparent international cooperation is challenging (because of the reasons you mentioned and many more), but it can be done!
I do like the idea of focusing on the best treatment for terminal illnesses, but a treatment should be a temporary solution until we find a cure. This actually brings a good idea. Maybe there should be three groups in those International Association of Research Institutes that I dream about:
1 group of scientists focusing on finding the cure
1 group of qualified people focusing on finding the best treatment and educating the population
1 group of qualified individuals focusing on how to deliver the cure to people in need for free
Thank you Sindhu!
bart hsi
May 3 2013: Scientific studies on therapeutic medicine or procedure have evolved into expensive work and involve long and expensive testing, and application for selling the products in the market, so that even academic research facilities have to get funds from drug companies or government agencies. And such supporters usually prohibit exchange of information with outside organizations by the researchers before the products are tested and patented. The times of quinine and penicillin, which are relatively easy to make/extract, is long gone, The research of new drugs nowadays needs expensive equipments and facilities, therefore the possibility of cooperation between researchers in different countries is not a simple situation. And even it is carried out , one still needs lengthy, exhaustive and expensive clinical trials to get the drugs to be sold for treatment uses. This means that a large drug manufacturing company must be involved. If we look at many new findings by some new biotechnology companies, they have to cooperate with the large companies to share the testing, manufacturing and marketing in order to get their new discoveries into the market for treating the patients.
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Personally I have participated in a number of research/humanity projects, such as use of HIV vaccine or treatment of hepatitis B in foreign (Asia, Africa) countries. But these projects were based on the contribution of the drug companies who have already held the patents of the vaccine or drugs. Of course, there were examples of treating HIV with a "cocktail" drug therapy (which was not patented as far as I know) to almost cure the AIDS (HIV+) patients. Another example, the drug; Lipitor (Atorvastatin), which probably contributed to the reduction of deaths from heart disease, is now off-patent, and becomes quite affordable in the generic form. These are the examples that we have to wait,or ask for exemption or reduction in price before the patent expires.
Sorry for the discouragement, but it's true
May 6 2013: Thanks for sharing Bart. No need to be sorry for the discouragement. I still believe it can be done.
bart hsi
May 6 2013: Thanks for your reply. I was a researcher in a school of public health, specialized in drug testing and disease prevention. In my view, it is probably more important in preventing gastrointestinal infections to reduce mortality and morbidity in children and young adults than treating diseases like cancer and cardiovascular diseases mostly in the elderly. So, you could at least look into some devices or methods for the prevention of preventable diseases for younger people.
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For example, I just read a discussion in TED, which discussed a "contraption" made as a solar energy cooker. This cooker, if adopted, not only serves as a self-sufficient cooking equipment, it also could make distilled potable water (my idea). Furthermore I observed my neighbor who used to put water and tea leaves in a glass jar and left it under the Texas sunlight and after 4 to 6 hours, the tea is done ("cooked"). This was without the help of a solar panel at all. I am not an engineer, but I can see that a whole system of cooking and potable water making equipment could be made with manageable cost.
The water could be either from collection of rain water, or from lakes or rivers. Then the only energy need is the sunlight.
I hope that it is a useful idea for you to look into, if you are interested.
Uniqea Monie
May 3 2013: Most terminal illnesses are man made for the purpose of collecting insurance and patient moneys for a cure, or preventive vaccine. Money has definitely crippled our research centers, scientists, and doctors in many ways. Fortunately, we have many good doctors out there that are all for the progression of our health and disease resistance, and they have all come to the conclusion that all remedies can be found on earth, and not in beakers, unfortunately those individuals are given a hard time in practicing this method because it's not lucrative enough for USA inc.
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I personally feel as though any disease not caused or cured naturally isn't natural. Our bodies are made up of everything that can be found on earth, so we should be able to naturally heal ourselves, I mean our bones and skin can refuse on its own, we have our own natural antibiotics and ill fighting bacteria, and the earth grows everything else to keep it going.
My advice, to any and everyone is to become more self sufficient. Steer away from man made concoctions, processed foods, GM goods, and drugs and alcohol. Exercise regularly, grow your own garden of every kind and create a balance diet with that. That is the cure to many things.
Check out http://www.non-hybrid-seeds.com/
May 6 2013: Definitely a different way to look at things. Thank you Uniqea. I will visit the link you provided.
Ben Wang
May 3 2013: Money is a major hinderance to this. It can cost upwards of a billion USD and take more than a decade to get a singular drug in the mass market. Drugs and cures for diseases have to first be synthesized, tested heavily, and then prepared for mass production.
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So research centers and companies have to make a return on this investment, so they focus on the ailments of more wealthy countries. That's why there are so few treatments for tropical diseases, since companies and research centers don't get a very good return on investment in countries like the Congo as they would in North America and Europe. For most companies, it seems that the main goal is to make money, with the added benefit of saving lives.
However, if money wasn't an issue... I think it would be a very real possibility for research centers and scientists to collaborate, similar to what was done with the Human Genome project. It'll take a while because of the development process, but it can be done.
May 6 2013: Ben, thank you for your post, and I appreciate your last words: "It can be done."
OCMay 13 2013: Sickness is a challenge. Challeges makes us stronger. We evolve biologically and mentally because of challenges. Evolution is from the GRADUAL adaptation of a species to overcome achallenge. Evolution is natural. So we must evolve by natural means. natural Selection, good diet, good environment, changing the world with one Act of Random Kindness at a time, etc. Sickness can kill and has killed billions. But caution is better than cure and elimination is worse than doing something efficiently. We must be present oriented. We are spirits of lov, wisdom, and contemplation. We must be resilient at look at life, our life, not staying alive but being alive.
May 14 2013: Thanks for sharing your thoughts Robert.
Itay Galilee
May 7 2013: There's a quote that I can't remember exactly, but it says something like "It's not that it's not there (anything we research/try to find), we are simply aren't looking with the appropriate tools" (If it rings a bell, please comment here what it is precisely). One of the concepts that the Age of Enlightment gave us is that everything is possible- we only need to use our wits.
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So, with regards to that I presume that someday cancer would be less of a deal, and researchers would be occupied in figuring out something else, at least to some extent.
Back to your question- You can ask the same question regarding many other aspects of life- Why aren't people working together to famish famine? To decontaminate earth's oceans, soil and such? If only 5% of the world population would've done that, we would all be better now.
I presume that it's a part of human nature, some sort of drawback that we all carry that holds up back. most of the people aren't bothered by these iniquities until it hits them.
And then it's too late.
May 8 2013: Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I will look for that quote. Interesting. :)
OCMay 3 2013: "Do you think that there is a competition between research centers and scientists?"
There is no competition among REAL researchers. There is competition between people who cannot let go of their emotions. Researchers can. Luckily, there are gatekeepers and moderators and people who are researchers at the same time.
There can be competition between philosophers, psychologists and theories, but all of them evolve as we evolve. It's interesting that a combination and collaboration of all those people in a global network can completely shift the paradigm. For the better.
Confusion between who is a philosopher and who is a practitioner can lead to inhumane behaviour. Take Freud. He was not a psychiatrist, but he was viewed as such. He was only a philosopher. Practitioners used and misused his name to justify their behaviour in the medical field, just as they misused other names, theories, concepts while forgetting that before you take a decision that regards other people's lives, you must let go of frustration, use formal logic and be humane.
Best wishes.
May 6 2013: Thank you Anna.
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May 3 2013: Good idea Carolyn. I never looked for a website that promotes the finding of a cure to all terminal diseases. Maybe I should think about creating one.
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May 3 2013: What are you saying? Do you think that diseases are created and controlled by a group of people?
Accepting defeat without starting the fight will not be the solution to our problems. We can't work on finding the cure to all terminal diseases with the mindset that our work will be in vain.
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May 6 2013: I see what you are saying. To me saving one life is a more than a reason to finding a cure. I can't think beyond that.
Fritzie -
May 2 2013: Large numbers of researchers across institutions are dedicated to finding cures to save lives, publish their research in journals, and confer at conferences where medical researchers convene. Meanwhile teams try different strategies to see what might work.. The personal and professional rewards for scientists who find cures and for their research centers is enormous, but that does not make the work easy.
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May 3 2013: Fritzie, I'm sure there are scientists out there who are dedicated to save lives. I just want to wake up one day and see that finding a cure to fatal diseases is no longer a money-making strategy. Of course, people should always be rewarded for their hard work.
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May 3 2013: I only wanted to say that not having unraveled the mystery of how to cure these diseases likely has more to do with the scientific challenge of the problem than it does with perverse incentives. At least I urge you to be fully open to this possible explanation rather than rejecting it with little serious consideration.
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May 6 2013: Okay. I am open to this explanation as well. I do believe that finding the cure to fatal illnesses is very challenging. I also believe that a more transparent global collaboration between research centers focusing on the same illness will make the journey less challenging.
For example, I would like to see the creation of and International Association of [Name of Illness] Research Institutes for every single terminal illness. Each of these associations will make a commitment to find a cure in 5 years, 10 years, etc and will keep the public informed on recent developments.
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Jun 1 2013: Keith, it's very had to just eat fresh fruit and vegetables.May 19 2013: Outstanding question Oliver.
"Do you think that there is a competition between research centers and scientists? Do you think that some groups are more focused on finding a cure to make money rather than finding a cure to save lives? I would love to know what you think."
I have no knowledge of any science organization that pursues such goals without the use of money, tools and trained/experience researchers in the fields of science. The economic system of trade in a country, usually defines the exchange of commodities/credits necessary to pursue such endeavors.
While scientists tend to seek pure truth, research centers can only exist by using the economic tools designed to create the flow of ideas and research, necessary to give us these cures. The bottom line is, in any political system, money is the established system of exchange used to create these centers.
While the profit of such research will benefit mankind as a whole, even without money, we can only put so much of our resources towards this goal because we have other priority goals that vie for the same resources. We all need food, clean water, clean air and shelter as a basic priority for most healthy people to live.
There have been times when scientists have been brought together within one community that supplied all their basic needs to create knowledge that led to the creation of a device that would end war. That device, of course, was the atomic bomb and it did, indeed, end the war with Japan. From what I understand from reading of this event. Most of the scientists were happy and content to work together in this environment, but only for a limited time.
When we become a class one civilization, we will have no use for money. The question is: can we be happy with this arrangement or will some other form of human exchange replace the affect money has on people, to motivate them to prosper through scientific understanding.
Jun 1 2013: good approach to the question...Thank you
Jun 1 2013: Mr Coquillo,
I'd like to add that with the internet, we have the opportunity to team up with others who feel as we do and participate together to work for dreams such as you may have. I belong to many biology, engineer, physics, genetics, clubs where we try to do experiments to discover knowledge for free. Some devices have been invented that greatly reduce the cost of treatments and testing to the end user..
Engineers who participate in such endeavors are responsible for creating devices that allow people without means to enhance the quality of their life, at a cost they can afford. Wheelchairs are a good example. I'm afraid that if we do make it to a class one civilization, it will be through more so through individual efforts, bonded with others of a like mind, through networking tools.
We use to need a better mouse trap. Today we need a better battery. Point of use power is one of the greatest drags on human progress today. Perhaps you could participate. Image if every Haitian could make a device from simple parts and generate power for their living space on the cheap. Would that make a difference to the quality of life Haiti?May 19 2013: Your dream of collaborative, social medicine is beautiful. Unfortunately, the reality of the economics of industrial societies tend to create competition for dollars amongst scientists who should be cooperating. This problem is compounded by the corporate drive to profit from all medical services and products. The social imperatives of terminal disease are currently subordinated to the fiscal imperatives of global profiteering. The joke about all of this is that medicine is about people and people are both the solution and the problem.
Many scientists are working around the financial constraints through social organizations. If you dig through the TED talks you'll find some of these people and learn the names of organizations, schools and businesses involved. Obviously, following up on those clues with some vigorous web research will give you a broad source of knowledge moving toward your dream.
Here in America, all businesses are in business for the money, regardless of what their representatives say. That's why medicine here is more expensive than it is in many other industrial nations. Many of the organizations here are equally interested in money more than health because Americans are rich people (compared to most of the people on the planet) who constantly crave more luxury and riches.
To compound the societal issues, terminal illness is a moving target. As you know, there is no one cancer; there are many cancers. All of these illnesses involve cellular changes, through either internal mutation, genetic proclivity, infection, or some other form of external stress. Ethnic differences may be involved, with environmental factors and personal history. Each individual with an illness, any illness really, has an individual instance of that illness. With 7 billion individuals on the planet, no single cure will help all those afflicted. Even if it did, it could not prevent mutation of the illness.
Perseverance and diligence are our only answers.
Jun 1 2013: Thanks for the post JohnathonMay 16 2013: The answer is obvious, money. Someone, somewhere realized that there is no money in curing people. "Management" of a disease is better. (from a financial standpoint).
Second there have been no cures from at least the 1950's which was smallpox, even that was not really a cure, it was a vaccine against it. Polio, which everyone thought was gone, apparently isn't.
But whats critical, regarding certain other diseases, is understanding, that understanding being, we have never, read that again, never, successfully ever cured a virus. If we had the common-cold would be a thing of the past. That unfortunately, and i really mean that, unfortunately, is why, even with all the monies and efforts spanning what nearly 30 years, aids/hiv will not be cured in the foreseeable future.
I wish the above was not true, but just wishing it, or giving more money, just wont make it any better.
We need to change our mindsets as humanity as a whole, only then I believe will we make progress.
Jun 1 2013: "change our mindset" that's the most important part...May 16 2013: The simple fact is we can all get together and do anything and everything. The internet isn't called the information superhighway for nothing. It has been stated that the next big world discoveries will be in the area of medical science. The human genome has already been mapped and we are on the precipice of some significant discoveries. Many of the posts here are right to say that money is the differentiator between discovery and to market cures. Philanthropy and altruism are unfortunately lacking for much of what could be done. Capitalism does dictate what is researched and what is not. This then correlates to how discoveries are made or not. To me, what is missing is the part that can be played by the professional amateur. That is to say, we need to utilize the 2 billion people or 1/3rd of the planet on the internet and have them actively involved. The humble lone scientist or his collective community is capped significantly in terms of productive research man hours. There is a term/book known as "Crowdsourcing". NASA & Proctor & Gamble and many major players utilize this resource. It is fair to say that any organisation does not necessarily employ or is capable of employing the best of the best. What has recently been acknowledged is it is possible thru diversity and professional amateurs to come up with solutions that exceed company employee stature and expectation. This then correlates to mean that, if specific research areas were professionally googled by amateurs who as a consequence were able to digitally resource reference their findings in a library category like format, that researchers could more readily find these these discoveries and incorporate them into their research and scientific journals. Researchers would google keywords related to their areas of interest and find the related information as referenced by their professional co collaboraters. Money is the main motivator for much of what is discovered/cured, tho don't dispense with majority.
May 16 2013: research is being done already. crowdsourcing is as easy as go to their websites, and press the donate button. here, let me help you out:
May 16 2013: Excellent response Krisztian! These linked innovators are now highlighted to a community. Until now, I had never heard of them and dare I say, many others hadn't either. This is exactly what needs to be done to find cures. To me focus is the key! A brief overview of the two links was enough for me to gauge their authenticity and validity in terms of professional destinations for canditure as world worthy facilitators for research into disease cures.
It would seem to me that, the world needs to focus on links such as these, so that the cures will be more forthcoming. The reason for this would simply be that if for example these two institutions were the majority charity donated to world wide, then, they would also be the best and most significantly funded organisations in the world who could employ the best, brightest and most scientific minds in the world to find the cures. The internet provides us with a world that is very closely connected. The internet world as such provides us with greater potential and synergies to amalganate and organise ourselves in such a way as has never been before. Why not, now create a Earth citizen community online that takes control of our world and circumstance and contemplate setting up the following. Krisztian's post gives a link to make donations. Well and good, but not co ordinated. My thoughts are along the lines of what do we want a cure for? Okay as a community we have prioritised them by way of online collaboration amongst ourselves. We tell the organisations what they should focus on, as we as a community via paypal donation/deposits to their research repository will have funded it. The term crowdsourcing, relates to the term as described in the book of the same name and is somewhat misplaced in Krisztian's interpretation, however does not diminish the ideal that a large number of people can donate to a worthwhile cause. My suggestion merely integrates another layer of community minded systemisation! :DMay 14 2013: Simple - an educated person has invested years and a lot of money slogging off and requires decent remuneration so ends up with capitalist giants who exploit him and are in a race to be able to 'patent 'a cure to sell it at a high price. Their focus is not on discovering a cure. That's what makes the difference.
Ian Jarvis
May 13 2013: Somehow I think we could rather turn the question on its head. Instead of seeking a cure for disease – what about preventing people from getting disease in the first place?
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I agree that research into cure is important but if we all live healthier lifestyles then that would reduce the illness. And let us not forget that life itself is a terminal condition; none of us will get out alive!
From some of the posts here, it is noticeable that keeping people healthy does not make a bucket of money for anyone. Keeping them sick does.
Also, researchers need funds and if those funds come from an organisation with a commercial aim they will a) 'encourage' the scientists to look for things that will make money and b) suppress the results that don't further that goal. We all know that, despite what the companies claim.
So, is our current economic thinking the barrier? Nothing to do with the capabilities of scientists. Just a skewed incentive.
I hear news reports for doing medical tests on everyone or for taking (eg) an aspirin every day as a preventative. But that again is using drugs. Instead of adding fluoride to water supplies maybe it would be better to alkalise all the water.
Someone wrote about everything being of the earth - this approach would be in accord with that philosophy. Boosting the immune system of each individual.
I could extend the argument to include our food (in 'developed' countries), agriculture, supermarkets and the whole chain of our economics. Everyone has to sell something and the only ethic in business is to make money for shareholders. If going 'green' will help that aim then it will be done, or pretended. If not, no chance.
There is always a hope, Olivier, if we give up on that then we might as well all pack up and go home. However, first, a large enough group of people needs to agree on what the aim is.
So, can I pose a question; is it about finding a cure for all disease or eliminating as much disease as we can? If both, where is the priority?
May 14 2013: Ian, I think all actions should be taken simultaneously. We should focus on preventing more people from getting the diseases to which we are relentlessly working on finding a cure. My ideas can be summarized in three words: educate, treat, cure.
1. Educate people who are at risk
2. Provide and Improve treatment to those in need
3. Find a cure
What's the priority? It's hard to prioritize, and keep in mind, that the group of people working on #1 should not be the group working on #2 or #3. So the three groups can work simultaneously and communicate with each other.
May 14 2013: I agree all that, Olivier, but I think you are missing my main point. Let's focus on health first of all, not sickness.
Keeping people healthy is the most effective way of dealing with sickness! It is also the cheapest. And it does not need research.
I suppose one issue is that most people are focussed on the problems of ill-health rather than the benefits of good health. That is where most of the medical industry gets its jobs and makes its money. Change that around and you have a different paradigm.
Keep thinking and communicating.
ianMay 13 2013: related
Kiva Bottero
May 13 2013: Mobilize the power of open source communities to collaborate and keep research free and open. That will attract those who really want to work on a cure for the sake of curing people rather than making money.May 12 2013: We can and are :-) slowly but surely the pace of change and collaboration is increasing and fortunately for us we are rapidly approaching if not already at a point of a paradigm shift in medical science from cure to prevention. Money is a great motivator as we saw with the x prize if you want to profoundly accelerate anything put a big prize up for grabs. I wonder what would happen if 10 or 100 million pound prize was publicized for the cure of HIV or Cancer? I bet very quickly cures would be flying at you left right and center. As a species we now poses the knowledge required to solve almost all the problems humanity faces whether it be disease, famine or disasters but as you suggest until we harness the ability to focus as a collective the solutions will never disseminate at the speed one would ideally like.May 12 2013: I can think of a few reasons why we have not yet come together to find a cure to all terminal diseases. I don't think this is a problem of collaboration among research centers.
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There is a certain amount of time and money that it will take to find all the cures, and we are slowly getting there, but it just takes time and money. Increasing the money could mean less time, but that additional money would probably come from tax revenue if the market is not investing enough.
I think another interesting issue to consider, is who would get to benefit from all these cures? Only those with the best insurance policies, or the wealthy? Surely the cures for all diseases would not be available to everyone. We already have a huge problem in the United States, spending more than any other country on health care, and yet consistently ranking abysmal on world-wide health comparisons. Why for example does the United States have by far the highest infant mortality rate of the industrialized world? We don't need any new cures to save all those children.
Even more interesting is when you consider death by "old age" to be just another terminal disease, and we find a cure for that one. I once started a TED conversation where I asked people if they would avail themselves of a cure for aging if one were found, and remarkably (to me), many people - perhaps even the majority of respondents - would prefer to die by old age at their so-called "natural" time, even if a cure were available.
Then there are the millions of people world wide who knowingly choose to commit suicide each year - every single year - by smoking cigarettes. I point that particular method of suicide out, because it is sanctioned and supported by our U.S. Federal government, in the name of profit. Again, no medical cure needs to be found here to save millions of lives.
Look at what the Gates foundation is doing - just by making the cures and techniques we already have found, and distributing them world wide.
May 13 2013: Thank you Danger! You brought up some good points.
OCMay 12 2013: The western world is tilted almost entirely by competition. There is no priority in education to balance the scale with formal models that address cooperation. I was over 30 years of age before I heard the word synergy and had to think on it for quite some time before I realized how important and how unfortunately neglected or excluded this concept is and was from western thinking. People cooperate all the time and sometimes the combination of two or more people in the same effort creates a new whole far greater than the sum of its parts where accomplishments are made that could not even be conceived by the very same people before working together and finding that their one plus on equals a million. The word "collaboration" is more often used and that word has negative baggage. As long as we have a "winner-takes-all" culture defining our relationship with out fellow human beings, we shall never realize even 10% of our collective potential. It may even be more like 1% versus 99% which is the current default of capitalism surpassing the point where it is a healthy model of progress. It is more than pass time to reconcile that neither totality won this horrible thing we called the Cold War where we achieved our own extinction level event. If capitalism continues as an intolerant ideological totality, the world will repeat the histories of the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and if you look at Europe today you'll see us very close to chaos. Who will lead the unseen alternative to introduce cooperative models which integrate with competitive ones rather than seeking to merely replace them with the same thing? I for one would risk martyrdom for that cause, The new boss does not have to be same as the old boss. But someone has to take the esoterica out of observing the cooperative model and make it fair. Today's CEO makes 300 times the employee when one time he only made 20 times. Surely we can have a culture motivated by other than winner takes all, some.
Teddy S
May 9 2013: I agree with 'Bob Gu'.
- +1
May 13 2013: Yep...He has a point...
Bob Gu
May 9 2013: This may seem like brilliant idea but unfortunately most of the world won't move an inch to assist in this, why?
- +1
Well unfortunately we are all driven by money and greed. No one will do this unless there is something in it for them. Competition is healthy but when it becomes personal and sabotage etc that will undermine the research itself then rather than construction we have fallen into a pit of our own destruction.
Bob Gu
May 13 2013: Thanks Bob. I still have hope.
Bob Gu
May 13 2013: I do as well but its just the reality that we are faced with... It sucks... But there are some good men and women out there working hard to solve this problem.
- +1
BGMay 8 2013: OC,
That is exactly what we need! People collaborating and working on different aspects of medicine, healthcare and policy making. :)


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I was at the 42nd Premier League North London derby on Sunday to witness the ninth Tottenham win (there have been 17 draws and 16 Arsenal victories). It is only the seventh time in the last 20 derbies the team that scored first won the match and it will be 100 years this year since Arsenal moved to North London from South London which started the rivalry.
It was the 400th home game for Tottenham in the Premier League and their 200th Premier League win at White Hart Lane. The result also saw Spurs go 12 games unbeaten, which is their best run in the Premier League era. However, they still haven't had a penalty this season and haven't had one in the league at White Hart Lane since a 3-3 draw with Arsenal in April 2011 when Rafael van der Vaart scored.
Wojciech Szczesny played in his100th Arsenal game and also the 100th league game of his career, having played in 28 for Brentford. Arsenal conceded two away from home for only the fourth time this season (there were also 2-1 defeats at Man Utd and Chelsea and a 5-2 win at Reading). They haven't conceded three in an away Premier League game since January 2012 when they lost 3-2 at Swansea.
Gareth Bale scored for the fifth consecutive Tottenham Premier League game, equalling a Spurs record with Robbie Keane, Teddy Sheringham and Rafael van der Vaart. He also became the first Welshman to score more than 15 goals in a Premier League season, two days after St David's Day, overtaking the 15 scored by Mark Hughes, Dean Saunders and John Hartson. Since the birth of his daughter Alba Violet - so that's another AVB - he's been unstoppable!
Dear Martin. I heard that there have been more goals in North London derbies than in games between any other teams in Premier League history? Is this true and which other games have had lots of goals historically? Liverpool v Newcastle always seems to end up as a goal fest! Keep up the good work. Andrew C (Liverpool fan)
MARTIN SAYS: Opta's stats show that you're correct. The North London Derby has produced more goals than any other fixture in Premier League history with the 42 meetings yielding 124 goals.
The three goals scored by Arsenal and Tottenham on Sunday saw them stretch clear of Everton v Manchester United games as the Premier League fixture with the most goals. At the start of play those two fixtures were level on 121 goals apiece.
You're also correct to highlight Liverpool v Newcastle games, which have yielded the fourth highest tally of goals in Premier League history.
Fixtures with the most goals in Premier League history:
|Team 1
|Team 2
|Manchester United
|Manchester United
|Manchester United
|Manchester United
A lot of those fixtures involve teams who have been ever-present in the Premier League so we were also interested to see which Premier League fixtures had the best goals-per game record. We asked Opta to look at fixtures that had been played at least 10 times in the Premier League and it turns out that Blackburn v Nottingham Forest is the best with an average of four goals per game (including the 1995/96 season when Rovers won their meetings 7-0 and 5-1). Not far away is Manchester City v Norwich, which has yielded 3.82 goals per game - and that could improve when the teams meet in the final day of this season.
Fixtures with the most goals per game in Premier League history:
|Nottingham Forest
|Manchester City
|Manchester City
|Manchester United
|Nottingham Forest
|West Brom
|Manchester United
Dear Martin, Brighton fan Casey asked if there had been instances of clubs sliding from the top to the bottom tier of English football in consecutive seasons. I was wondering if any club had done the opposite of this and been promoted from the bottom tier to the top tier in consecutive seasons? Rob (Manchester United fan)
MARTIN SAYS: The chaps at Opta have detailed the quickest rises to top tier since the introduction of fourth tier in 1958/59 and I have outlined those for you below.
No side has ever gone from the bottom division to the top division in successive seasons, but two teams have managed to climb all the way to the top in just five seasons. The first team to do that was Swansea City who took the following path from Division Four to Division One:
1977/78: 3rd in Division Four
1978/79: 3rd in Division Three
1979/80: 12th in Division Two
1980/81: 3rd in Division Two
Wimbledon followed a similar route to the top five seasons later. Like Swansea they sandwiched a season where they finished 12th in the second tier in between a run of three straight promotions. Their path from Division Four to Division One was as follows:
1982/83: Won Division Four
1983/84: 2nd in Division Three
1984/85: 12th in Division Two
1985/86: 3rd in Division Two
In the Premier League era we have seen both Fulham and Hull shoot from the bottom league to the Premier League in just six seasons, while Swansea needed eight seasons to complete their climb to the top.
Quickest climbs from fourth tier to top tier:
|First Season in Top-Flight
|Seasons Needed from Fourth Tier
|Hull City
|Northampton Town
|Luton Town
|Swansea City
Martin, loving the stats, keep up the good work. Your column is a must read for me every week. I really hope you can help answer my question. I recently heard that Gary Lineker never received a yellow or red card in his entire career. So this got me wondering, which players have played the most minutes in the Premier League: a) without receiving any booking at all (no yellow or red) b) without receiving a yellow card c) without receiving a red card. I think the results will be quite interesting. Many thanks! Sam B (Arsenal fan)
MARTIN SAYS: Hi Sam. With the help of Opta I have been able to answer your questions and I shall do so in reverse order.
The player to have played the most Premier League minutes without a red card is no stranger to this column. Ryan Giggs has not been sent off in any of his 21 Premier League seasons and that means he's clocked up 45,495 minutes without being sent for an early bath. In fact, he has never received a red card in any league game he has played in. Next on the list is goalkeeper Shay Given, who has played an impressive 39,271 minutes without being sent off - but that's still almost 6,000 minutes fewer than Giggs, who has never been sent off for Manchester United. The only red card of his career came for Wales.
Players to have played the most Premier League minutes without ever receiving a red card:
Ryan Giggs (45,495 mins)
Shay Given (39,271)
Aaron Hughes (37,670)
Nigel Martyn (33,297)
Thomas Sørensen (31,874)
Luke Young (31,722)
Michael Carrick (29,765)
Edwin van der Sar (27,919)
Peter Schmeichel (27,596)
Damien Duff (27,390)
However, Giggs has been booked 26 times in the Premier League so he is not the answer to your other question. In fact, the man to have clocked up the most Premier League minutes without a booking is former England winger John Barnes. He played 201 times in the Premier League - a total of 16,407 minutes - without a booking (please note these statistics do not include his appearances before the launch of the Premier League in 1992/93).
Players to have played the most Premier League minutes without ever receiving a yellow card (several are goalkeepers):
John Barnes (16,407)
Steve Harper (9475)
Mike Sheron (7040)
Michael Oakes (6311)
Keith Branagan (6003)
Alan Kelly (5739)
Alan Smith (5723)
Bobby Mimms (5414)
Nigel Spackman (5390)
Kevin Hitchcock (5285)
The list of players who haven't received a card of any colour is almost identical to that above apart from two names. Bizarrely both Michael Oakes and Nigel Spackman both went through their Premier League careers without receiving a yellow card, but they both got red cards; Oakes for Aston Villa against Blackburn on Boxing Day 1998 and Spackman for Chelsea against Arsenal in September 1995.
Players to have played the most Premier League minutes without ever receiving any card:
John Barnes (16,407)
Steve Harper (9475)
Mike Sheron (7040)
Keith Branagan (6003)
Alan Kelly (5739)
Alan Smith (5723)
Bobby Mimms (5414)
Kevin Hitchcock (5285)
Erik Thorstvedt (5199)
David De Gea (4410)
In the early days, 'having your name taken' - as it was called - was like being called to headmasters' study. It was quite a serious thing. In my non league days I never got booked once. In fact, I did get a yellow card in a London Intermediate Cup game at Cockfosters FC, but the referee never put it in his report so I didn't pay the fine and as far as I'm concerned I never had a booking!
Martin. Big fan of your column and your commentaries every week on Sky Sports. I am writing to you after Norwich lost 4-0 to Manchester United, including a hat-trick for Kagawa. We seem to have let in a lot of hat-tricks in our short time in the Premier League, including a couple to Luis Suarez. I was wondering if you could tell us which teams have conceded the most hat-tricks in the Premier League years? Paul Gibson (Norwich fan)
MARTIN SAYS: I can tell you that Norwich have conceded a total of SIX hat-tricks in the Premier League, including four in less than two years. They are as follows:
Matt Le Tissier (Southampton, 1994)
Thierry Henry (Arsenal, 2005)
Carlos Tevez (Man City, 2012)
Luis Suarez (Liverpool, 2012)
Luis Suarez (Liverpool, 2012)
Shinji Kagawa (Man Utd, 2013)
However, that's nothing compared to Southampton who have allowed opposition players to score an incredible 16 hat-tricks in their 14 seasons in the top flight. That's an average of more than one per season. Contrast that with Manchester United who have allowed just two opposition hat-tricks in almost 21 seasons (David Bentley for Blackburn in February 2006 and Dirk Kuyt for Liverpool in March 2011)
The players to have scored hat-tricks against Southampton are listed below. It includes two for Robbie Fowler and two for Arsenal in the same game in 2003 when Jermaine Pennant and Robert Pires both netted trebles in a 6-1 win.
Chris Bart-Williams (Sheff Weds, 1993)
Robbie Fowler (Liverpool, 1993)
Ian Wright (Arsenal, 1994)
Gary Speed (Everton, 1996)
Clive Mendonca (Charlton, 1998)
Dion Dublin (Aston Villa, 1998)
Robbie Fowler (Liverpool, 1999)
Michael Bridges (Leeds, 1999)
Steffen Iversen (Tottenham, 2000)
Teddy Sheringham (Man Utd, 2000)
Ruud van Nistelrooy (Man Utd, 2001)
Marcus Stewart (Ipswich 2001)
Jermaine Pennant (Arsenal, 2003)
Robert Pires (Arsenal, 2003)
Jermain Defoe (Tottenham, 2004)
Robin van Persie (Man Utd, 2012)
I can recall commentating on an FA Cup replay in 1995 when Ronnie Rosenthal scored a hat-trick for Tottenham against Southampton as a substitute in a 6-2 win (aet). I also think it's fair to point out that they have scored five Premier League hat-tricks (four for Matt Le Tissier and one for James Beattie), but their last one was in October 2002.
Thanks to Opta, here's how many hat-tricks each team has conceded in Premier League history:
SIXTEEN: Southampton
THIRTEEN: Newcastle United
TWELVE: Bolton Wanderers
ELEVEN: Aston Villa, Derby County, West Ham
TEN: Blackburn Rovers, Coventry City, Wigan Athletic
NINE: Leicester City, Liverpool
EIGHT: Everton, Ipswich Town
SEVEN: Leeds United, Middlesbrough
SIX: Arsenal, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Tottenham, Wimbledon
FIVE: Charlton Athletic, Fulham, Manchester City
FOUR: Chelsea, Reading, Wolves
THREE: Hull City, Oldham, QPR, Stoke City, Swindon Town, West Brom
TWO: Barnsley, Birmingham, Blackpool, Burnley, Man Utd, Portsmouth
ONE: Bradford City, Crystal Palace, Sheffield United, Swansea City, Watford
Dear Martin. We're always told that teams are looking to find a 20-goal-a-season striker, but how successful has each team been at doing this over the years. Can you tell us how many 20-goal-a-season strikers each Premier League club has had in the last 20-and-a-bit seasons?Dean
MARTIN SAYS: In Premier League history there have been 53 instances of a player ending a Premier League season with 20+ goals and only 32 individuals have achieved the feat.
The most successful club are Manchester United who have had five 20+-a-season players (Cristiano Ronaldo, Dwight Yorke, Dimitar Berbatov, Wayne Rooney twice, Ruud van Nistelrooy four times). Robin van Persie needs just one more Premier League goal to join that list.
Manchester United have had individuals scoring 20+ goals in nine seasons, a record that can only be matched by Arsenal (Thierry Henry five times, Ian Wright twice, Emmanuel Adebayor and Robin van Persie).
It's also worth noting that on Saturday, Luis Suarez became only the third Liverpool player after Robbie Fowler and Fernando Torres to score 20+ goals in a single Premier League season.
And Newcastle and Chelsea are the only two clubs to produce 20+ goal men in the SAME Premier League season. Both Andrew Cole and Peter Beardsley scored 20 league goals in 1993/94 for Newcastle, while both Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard topped 20 goals for Chelsea in 2009/10.
Players to have scored 20+ Premier League goals in one season (by club):
Manchester United (five players, nine occasions):
Dimitar Berbatov (2010/11)
Cristiano Ronaldo (2007/08)
Wayne Rooney (2009/10 and 2011/12)
Ruud van Nistelrooy (2001/02, 2002/03, 2003/04, 2005/06)
Dwight Yorke (1999/2000)
Arsenal (four players, nine occasions):
Emmanuel Adebayor (2007/08)
Thierry Henry (2001/02, 2002/03, 2003/04, 2004/05, 2005/06)
Ian Wright (1993/94, 1996/97)
Robin van Persie (2011/12)
Newcastle (four players, seven occasions)
Peter Beardsley (1993/94)
Andrew Cole (1993/94)
Les Ferdinand (1995/96)
Alan Shearer (1996/97, 1999/00, 2001/02, 2003/04)
Chelsea (three players, five occasions)
Didier Drogba (2006/07, 2009/10)
Jimmy Floyd Haesselbaink (2000/01 and 2001/02)
Frank Lampard (2009/10)
Liverpool (three players, four occasions)
Robbie Fowler (1994/95, 1995/96)
Luis Suarez (2012/13)
Fernando Torres (2007/08)
Manchester City (two players, three occasions)
Carlos Tevez (2009/10 and 2010/11)
Sergio Aguero (2011/12)
Southampton (two players, two occasions)
Matthew Le Tissier (1993/94)
James Beattie (2002/03)
Sunderland (two players, two occasions)
Kevin Phillips (1999/00)
Darren Bent (2009/10)
Tottenham (two players, two occasions)
Teddy Sheringham (1992/93)
Jürgen Klinsmann (1994/95)
Blackburn (one player, three occasions):
Alan Shearer (1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96)
QPR (one player, two occasions)
Les Ferdinand (1992/93, 1994/95)
Crystal Palace (one player, one occasion)
Andrew Johnson (2004/05)
Leeds (one player, one occasion)
Mark Viduka (2002/03)
Norwich (one player, one occasion)
Chris Sutton (1993/94)
Nottingham Forest (one player, one occasion)
Stan Collymore (1994/95)
Wimbledon (one player, one occasion)
Dean Holdsworth (1992/93)


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Note: This high-calorie recipe is especially for kids with cystic fibrosis (CF), who often need to consume additional calories to meet their nutritional needs.
You can make this yummy dessert now and freeze the leftovers to eat later.
Prep time: 50 minutes
Bottom layer:
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Serves: 15
Serving size: 3½-inch x 2½-inch square
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464 calories
5 g protein
16 g fat
410 mg sodium
76 mg calcium
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She did it! So, now she's closer to her goal to become a GREAT home cheesemaker. Suzanne documented her experience in the article below. This article and her giveaways (chosen by random from the comments) may be found at her wonderful website, "Chickens in the Road."
Meet Jack!
No, not THAT Jack!
He's pretty special, though. But I mean Monterey Jack! And PEPPER JACK! (Pepper Jack pictured at the top, just before waxing.)
I love Monterey Jack and especially Pepper Jack. I use Pepper Jack in my homemade pepperoni rolls. I need homemade Pepper Jack! It all starts with learning how to make Monterey Jack, so I was excited to take on Monterey Jack for my first cheese challenge post for New England Cheesemaking.
I'm using my well worn copy of Home Cheese Making by Ricki Carroll from New England Cheesemaking as my guide.
Well worn, not because I've made so much cheese but because I've fondled it a lot while dreaming about making cheese. I've made a lot of soft cheeses, and Farmhouse Cheddar as well as Traditional Cheddar from the book. Now I'm finally (finally!) plowing past my fears and making more new cheeses. There is a lot that is similar in making Monterey Jack to making Traditional Cheddar, so it's a good recipe to venture out with first. Next month, I'll be scaring myself to death with something really different. (More on next month's cheese challenge later!)
Let's get started!
To make Monterey Jack, you need:
2 gallons whole milk*
1 packet direct-set mesophilic starter or 4 ounces prepared mesophilic starter
1/2 teaspoon liquid rennet (or 1/2 rennet tablet) dissolved in 1/4 cup cool unchlorinated water
1 tablespoon cheese salt
*If you use whole milk, your Monterey Jack will be semisoft, the way we're accustomed to finding it from the grocery store. If you use skim milk, it will turn out hard enough to grate.
I use direct-set packets of starter and liquid rennet. If you do one thing I tell you about today, buy liquid rennet!!! Save yourselves! (I don't like the tablets.)
Step 1. Go milk your cow. Let the calf help.
I'm just kidding! You can use milk from the store if you don't have a cow. I use raw milk from my Jersey sweetheart, Beulah Petunia. You can find out more about milk for cheesemaking here, including information as to whether or not you may want to add calcium chloride to your store-bought milk when making cheese. If you have trouble with weak curds when using store-bought pasteurized milk, for a two gallon recipe--add 1/4 teaspoon calcium chloride diluted in 1/4 cup cool water after the milk has ripened in Step 1 and before adding the rennet.
Step 1. (The real Step 1!) Heat two gallons of milk to 88-degrees F. (All temps in my posts are listed in Fahrenheit.) Add the starter and stir thoroughly.
Cover and allow the milk to ripen at 90-degrees for 30 minutes.
Milk holds its temperature really well in a covered pot, by the way.
Step 2. After the 30 minutes have passed, add the calcium chloride, if using. (I don't use it for my milk.)
Step 3. Add the diluted rennet and stir gently with an up-and-down motion for 1 minute. I've had people ask me what an up-and-down motion means. I use a big stainless steel slotted spoon and I just move the spoon straight up and down (or as straight up and down as I can) in the pot as opposed to stirring around in circles. It's not that hard--you're not going to mess it up. As long as you don't go crazy stirring in circles, you'll be okay.
Cover the pot again and let it sit at 90-degrees for 30-45 minutes, until the curd gives a clean break. I turned the heat back on under the pot for about a minute, bringing the temp back up to 90.
I use both a hand-held digital thermometer and a long clip-on cheesemaking thermometer. When I'm watching the temperature over a period of time, I use the clip-on one. When I'm spot-checking, I use the little digital one for a quick read.
Step 4. Cut the curd into 1/4-inch cubes and let set for 40 minutes. You can use either a long knife to cut curds or even a tall whisk.
How do you know if your curds are ready? You should be able to cut the curds cleanly, meaning they won't fall back into a mushy mess together. It's sort of like cutting little cubes of Jell-O. The curds have a similar jiggly consistency yet clear separation from each other. I usually just stick a butter knife in there to test it to see if the curds are ready. If I can draw a line with the butter knife and see the curds break apart, they're good to go.
Here are some cut curds:
See how the pieces maintain their shape and separation from each other. We're making cheese now, baby!
Step 5. Heat the curds to 100-degrees, increasing the temperature by two degrees every 5 minutes. This will take about 35 minutes.
Stir gently but frequently to keep the curds from matting.
It's important to raise the temperature really slowly because the slow rise of heat causes the curds to expel whey and shrink. If the temperature rises too fast, the curds can get a hard skin to them and not expel enough whey. You can raise the temperature slowly by placing your cheese pot in a sink or larger pot of water that you heat gradually. I just turn the heat on the pot a little bit at a time, watching the temperature so it doesn't rise too fast. (I turn the heat on and off, watching the temp rise slowly. I have a gas stovetop, which makes heat control more incremental and precise. If you have an electric stovetop, you may want to use the sink or double boiler method.)
Step 6. Maintain the curds at 100-degrees for 30 minutes, stirring occasionally to keep the curds from matting. Let the curds sit for 5 minutes.
There will be a ton of whey in your pot by now. Look at that--you can't even see the curds!
Step 7. Carefully pour off the whey to the level of the curds. Allow the curds to set 30 minutes longer, stirring every 5 minutes to prevent matting. Maintain the temperature at 100-degrees.
Step 8. Line a colander with cheesecloth and place it in the sink. I put the colander on one side of my sink and the cheese pot in the other.
Ladle the curds into the colander. Sprinkle the salt over the curds, mixing gently, and let drain.
If making regular Monterey Jack, you wouldn't add anything else right now. If you want to make Pepper Jack, now's the time to add some hot stuff! There are a couple different ways you can make Pepper Jack, but here's how I did it, based partly on the recipe for Pepato Toscano, a pepper cheese--the recipe is here. In that recipe, peppers are added in layers as the curds are put in the molds. Pepato Toscano is placed in a brine then aged with a natural rind (not waxed).
It's important to not have any additions like peppers poking out on the surface of a cheese that's not waxed because it's a possible invitation for mold to get into the cheese. I was waxing my Pepper Jack, so I went ahead and mixed my peppers into the curd along with the cheese salt. I used a tablespoon of coarse ground mixed peppercorns (red, black, green, and white) and a tablespoon of crushed red peppers (seeds and all).
Mixing cheese salt into curds for regular Monterey Jack:
Peppers mixed into the curds for Pepper Jack:
Step 9. Place the curds in a cheesecloth-lined mold.
I also made another Pepper Jack where I did the layering technique with the peppers, alternating placing curds and peppers in the mold, trying to keep the peppers inside the cheese.
Press the cheese with a 3-pound weight for 15 minutes.
I don't have a 3-pound weight. I got out my kitchen scale and starting weighing stuff. I came up with this ridiculous arrangement:
That's a jar of ground cayenne pepper on top of a jar of dry beans. Together, they weighed 3 pounds.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Step 10. Remove the cheese from the mold and gently peel away the cheesecloth. Turn over the cheese, re-dress it, and press at 10 pounds of pressure for 12 hours.
Note: If you're using a homemade press, double-check to make sure the weight is pressing down on the cheese and not distributing across other parts of the press.
Now go to bed.
Whenever I start to make a cheese, I add up all the steps and the time for each step then plan it so that it's ready to go in the press for the final pressing toward evening so it's ready to come out of the press at a decent hour the next day. (You don't want to be getting up at 3 a.m. to take cheese out of the press.) Plan on about 3 1/2 to 4 hours to get Monterey Jack ready to go in the press.
Step 11. Remove the cheese from the press and the cheesecloth. Place it on a clean surface at room temperature to air-dry. Turn twice a day until the surface is dry to the touch. Drying may take 1-3 days, depending on the temperature and humidity. I air-dried mine for 2 days. I use a rack or a cheese mat and I keep the cheese in a cabinet while it's air-drying. (I have CATS.)
Regular Monterey Jack, after air-drying:
Pepper Jack, after air-drying:
This one is the second Pepper Jack I made with the layering technique with the peppers. Clearly, I need to practice that some more because some of my peppers got to the edges. (I'm going to wax it, so it'll be okay anyway.)
This cheese came out better in general because the curds knit together better during pressing. It was my third swing in total at Monterey Jack. Practice makes (almost) perfect! (See how much smoother the last one looks? Keep trying with cheese. Like with anything else, you'll get better!)
Step 12. Wax the cheese.
I keep my cheese wax in a crock pot dedicated to cheese wax only so it's there all the time, waiting for me. I just put the lid on when I'm done. When I need it again, I heat it back up! Very handy. I just dip and dip, moving around the wheel of cheese, letting it dry in between dips, until I have a good solid surface of cheese wax.
Step 13. Age the cheese at 55-degrees for 1-4 months, turning it over at least once a week. (If you use raw milk, your cheese should be aged for at least 60 days.) The flavor will become sharper as the cheese ages. Yield: One pound.
I place my waxed cheese on a sheet of aluminum foil with a little tag taped to it with the type of cheese and the date it went into the cheese cave.
And now you know Jack--and so do I!!!
I'll let you know my Monterey Jack and Pepper Jack results just as soon as they're aged long enough for me to break into them! And more info coming soon about my next cheese challenge--it's going to be an adventure!
|Jim Wallace
Jim Wallace, our technical advisor, took a look at Suzanne's cheese the first time she made it to see if she was on the right track. He had a few words of advice:
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I took a look at Suzanne's post and there is a slight problem with the curd being too dry. This may be due to excessive stirring speed/time or it could be caused by higher temperatures if her thermometer is not reading well.
OR another reason could be that the curd is fine but there was just not enough weight or time in the press. Either of these will cause this problem. Drier curds need more weight and/or sometimes more time in the press.
Suzanne revised her press and, as you can see in the picture, this resulted in a smoother cheese. Now, it's on to the next one, so stay tuned . . .


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