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The source of morality
Many times religious people claim that atheist people are immoral, because they have no reason to be good. Claim is false, ungrounded and impudent but it has a point. Atheist people have no base for their morality. When there is no divine ruler; nothing is sacred, everything is permitted. But it is not! Why? Because not! I dumped old beliefs that prohibits samegender sex, or intercourse before wedding or eating pig meat etc. Still my morales very similar with what religion gave us, and when they can say "God forbid it" I can't say anything. I need those explanations. I need proofs that shows incest, bestiality, necrophilia is obnoxious and bad. I need proofs that shows wars ar ugly and bad.
Otherwise someone will just say, the siblings loved each other what is wrong with that? War is best way to develop technology is totally legit and necessary. Torchere is necessary, it can not be removed. No it is mean and ugly! Would you like to be torchered? Why am I a criminal?
I tried to build my own reason. I changed "the good" and "the bad" to "the flawed" and "unflawed" act. Now I can give reasons by revealing flaws of the act I do not approve. It made sense to me. But it is very subjective.
So what do you think about it. If you're not religious, what is your morales based on? Or what community should base their morale on it?
May 26 2013: My religion is my SELF.
My pilgrimage is discovering my self.
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adesh saxena
May 26 2013: We search for happiness out side, but it lies with in.
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Source of morality is within. We are the keeper of our own conscience.
Biggest victory is not out side , it is to win your self.
A self realised person is like bright illuminating light.May 26 2013: I wholeheartedly agree Adesh...."know thyself" is one of the most important underlying elements to any growth, and in my perception, it is the foundation of our morality. Wherever information comes from, it is important to know how it impacts us and applies to us as individuals.May 26 2013: My source of morality is within.
I can hide from any thing in the world but never from my self
May 26 2013: This is true Adesh.....wherever we go, there we are with our "self".
May 26 2013: We search for happiness out side, but it lies with in.
Source of morality is within. We are the keeper of our own conscience.
Biggest victory is not out side , it is to win your self.
A self realised person is like bright illuminating light.
May 26 2013: Well said Adesh:>)
People often search for thoughts, feelings and beliefs outside of themselves, when we can usually find them within. We are the "keeper of our own conscience".....I like that!
I believe we can take in information from many external sources, and ultimately, we make choices. When people say the source of morality is something outside themselves, it feels like they are giving the choice and responsibility for that choice to an outside force/source.
I think this is the source of a lot of chaos in our world. People will sometimes say....I did it in the name of a god.....god directed me....etc. These folks are giving up their own choices, and therefor giving up their responsibility as well. What do you think about that?May 27 2013: Your god Vs my god.
That is how they justify their henious acts.
They create hell on earth for others, so that they can live in haven.
May 27 2013: Adesh,
Your comment reminds me of the TED talk by Devdutt Pattanaik. He speaks about "my world" vs "your world", and he addresses the subject in a very kind and loving way....I love this talk.
I agree that some folks who strongly believe in a certain god or religion create hell on earth for others, so they can have a good place in heaven...so they think!
With this practice, I observe a very obvious contradiction, hypocrisy, lack of honest morals, and I cannot understand why these folks do not see this in themselves! I guess because they do not want to!
In my perception, and apparently in your perception as well, happiness, contentment, morality, etc., is within us. When people give credit and/or responsibility for these qualities to an outside source, they give up both their individual choices AND responsibility.
They would like to demand that we believe as they do....or else we will go to hell! We must be the devil if we do not believe as they do....can they not see the contradiction and hypocrasy???May 31 2013: They is being refered to
People who kill or harm others in the name of religion.
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May 26 2013: Hi Don, It's me again...
I had to give you a thumbs-up.
You keep searching.
You will find it, what you're looking for, right around the corner,
at the local coffee shop, when a complete stranger sits down
beside you and you two talk.
Why this works the way it actually does, I couldn't begin to say.
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May 26 2013: Don,
Last night I couldn't find the reply button.
I became confused because I didn't take my insulin shot.
Here is my conversation from then. Sorry I am late.
Sorry Don,
Did I forget to answer a question.
No I haven't listened as yet. I plan to.
Before I do, I want you to know that I believe that 'outside the brain' exists.
A story might help you to understand how I think about things.
God's Hand?
One of many I have experienced.
I picked my car from the mechanic, with brakes done, and 4 new tires.
I drove several blocks on the frontage road beside and beneath the Freeway.
I was moving never more than 20-25 mph.
I passed 3 small children playing in a little red wagon in the gutter of a
quiet street corner.
I passed several cars parked on the curb, when, all of a sudden, a wee boy
on a bike, came from between two of the parked cars. I slammed on my brakes.
Left 4 patches of rubber on the street, and still hit the boy...
I rushed to him, his broken bike nearby, and carried him into a shop a few feet away.
A lady inside took him from me, to check him over.
At that moment, a 'hellish sound' was heard. I looked and a large blue Buick
flew from off the Freeway some 20 feet high in the air... It took only a moment,
then that large blue Buick slammed to the ground crushing that little red wagon.
The 3 small children had left the wagon and were clustered about my car.
The boy I had hit was fine. His bike replaced by my Insurance company
the following day.
There are more stories, but I am beginning have problems recalling them...
And, that makes me more than sad.
Some interesting conclusions might be drawn in that I never knew the children.
Never remembered to find them, or to seek them out as they grew to adults..
I never sought them out. And today I also forget to do so. Brain-mind ??
God's hand? The moral? I leave that to you to figure out.
Peter Law
May 25 2013: Our morals are hard wired by our creator, but can be overridden by our will if we are determined enough,
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May 25 2013: Morals have little to do with any deity.
Dan Ariely, bestselling author and professor of psychology and behavioural economics at Duke University visits the RSA to examine the mechanisms at work behind dishonest behaviour, and the implications this has for all aspects of our social and political lives.
May 25 2013: Theodore, My confession...
I was a stone cold crook for much of my life.
I talked people out of their money.
It was fun.
I'd have them drive me to their bank, sit beside them
as they took a very large loan.
Accept their endorsed loan check,
and deposit it to my account.
I loved my job.
I once hired a Hypnotist, a good one.
He made 60 sales in one day.
And he had never sold before.
I loved my job.
Being a crook is of course immoral.
But, there is a God.
Mine gave me Cancer.
And let me live with it.
God loves his job.
May 25 2013: Frank,
I'm sure Theodore may pop in here, and in the meantime, I'm trying to understand your post (your confession as you say).
It sounds like you are proud of your criminal behavior?
You believe in a god because he gave you cancer and he loves his job?
You believe the cancer was a punishment from god?
Thanks for your help in trying to understand the meaning of your comment.May 25 2013: Some years ago George C Scott starred in a film called "The Flim-Flam Man."
A favorite line in the movie was, "You can't cheat an honest man."
I thought about that line during the Bernie Madoff scandal; lots of investors putting money into a scam that was to good to be true.
As for God(s), there is no shortage of them to believe in, but like placebo, its all in the mind.
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May 26 2013: What are you saying, Ariely is an atheist too?
There are believers and those that believe in something different.
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May 28 2013: The use of the term "the creator," and not "a" creator is interesting. A creative force in the universe may not be anything we can to appeal to or petition.
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May 25 2013: Dan Ariely's talks uphold the notion that we're all deceptive to a point.
Frank Barry
May 26 2013: Hello LaMar
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I was speeding through and my eye caught your first sentence.
I agree wholeheartedly with your entire message.
There seems to be an area to yet be explored. Mental Illness,
or bluntly speaking, the lack of morals in crazy people's thinking.
I've raised 3 children, and 3 step-children. Several have turned
to drugs. All but one child, have recovered completely. Of my many
grand-children, several turned to drugs. One of my children,
my daughter, and both her children are addicts. Addicts have
little in the way of a moral code. I felt desperate for many years
knowing my daughter was 'out there'. I had a phone call from her,
she said, "Dad, I live a different lifestyle, and I want you to stop
worrying about me. I am happy with myself. Drugs and all."
She freed me, but of course I still worry.
Her two boys on the other hand, are 'rapscallions' of the first order.
But they still visit, when they think I won't notice drug use. I get to
worry again. I worry not about the great-grand-children, they are
wee babies.
Watching my grandson's lack of moral constraint is difficult, but
being on a first name basis with the local cops helps here and there.
But the status in a society of those who cannot recognize that there is
a moral compass. Means that they must undergo society's punishments.
Does any society have 'that' right to punish those who violate said society's
preset moral standards?
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May 26 2013: Shades of gray...
Hi. LaMar...
Someone. long ago, understood what you wrote.
And today Judges have limits imposed upon them when sentencing.
Well thought out limits in most cases.
The acceptance of homosexuality is harder for us oldsters than it
should be. But like color, we will change and accept the differences.
Morality improved.
A bit late for me to get on that bandwagon.
I have a Black son-in-law. Wonderful man. Works hard, takes great
care of my daughter, and is a kind man. I could say more nice things.
He grew up, adopted into a White family. I don't think he knows what
color he is. I don't either. Morality improved.
He had, and has conquered drug addiction, as did my daughter.
They do not enable one another. It has been many years ago for both.
I salute them both. Morality improved.
My heritage, is Arkansas, through and through.
I bet my relatives may have boys that still chase their sisters
(as the jokes go).
The moderator has my permission to strike this paragraph. LOL
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May 27 2013: LaMar,
I don't think I want to weigh in on this one....
hahaha I'm splitting a gut.
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May 26 2013: MMMMMMM.....interesting.......
"Don Wesley
2 days ago: Perceptions are often offered as contending arguments, unfortunately.
Perceptions are too often bubbles that keep us filled with funny information"
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May 26 2013: Don and LaMar.
I'd like to weigh in on this.
I pose the argument that religion makes no difference.
Religion merely expresses it's morality, it's code.
Religion gives followers 'A sturdy wall, it's moral code, to lean upon'.
Religion comes with conditions, based upon it's code.
The conditions of western religions, "Believe and Be Saved."
Otherwise, "Be Damned to Hell".
Before the "Bible" was written, there were like writings in other societies.
The Egyptians, Ethiopians, Persians, Chinese, Indians, Islanders, etc..
Writings and Gods, all closely related in the story telling.
So guys, believe as you will. And, believe me, you will do exactly that.
Be moral, and have a direction in your hearts that is beneficial.
Thank you both for a stimulating conversation or two or more.
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May 26 2013: LaMar,
You nailed it.
You've won the coveted HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD award.
About that Example, the man just needs not to sit on thistles or poison ivy.
that could be a moral dilemma.
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May 27 2013: LaMar, you might be interested in these links :
"Creating God in Our Own Image"
I wouldn't call religion a "delusion". Maybe an "cognitive illusion" (produced by our "Theory of Mind", or as Michael Shermer calls it "agenticity").
Read "We are programmed to believe in a god" :(http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/jan/04/the-god-instinct-jesse-bering) for more information on this topic.
Another great book on this matter is "The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies---How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths" (http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/)May 28 2013: Mr LaMar Alexander
Are you describing yourself?
If not then you abusing!
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May 27 2013: Well I hoped that Link by Dan Ariely explained why people always believe God is on their side.
I'm yet to see a war where people go "God is on the enemy's side! And we must fight against God!". (:P).
I'm against viewing God as a "delusion", and I think you are overestimating the negatives of a belief in God. I have many religious friends (in the UK) who are perfectly normal people. Some (many) even more intelligent than me
(Out of interest (if you don't mind me asking) how long have you been on the TED community. Because it's pretty impressive you have TED Cred score "10" already!)
Anyhow I'm not altogether sure Christianity is a "shame based religion". I think it just tried to remind you of the fragility of man... (Which is kind of true when you think about it!).
Did you read all the link? :-)
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May 27 2013: WOW! I'm impressed. It's taken me so long to this TED Cred score! :D
Seems you must have a gift! ;)
I'v definitely studies "Jim Jones" due to reading the "Lucifer effect".
"Jesus Christ"? Why do you compare Jesus Christ to Jim Jones? This is very odd.
Considering Jesus Christ preached about "compassion and forgiveness", while Jim Jones exploited various psychological mechanisms like "Obedience". (As you study in the "Lucifer Effect") Clearly Jim Jones is not worthy of being called a Christian, considering he did not follow the Jesus Christ's messages.
"anyone that disagrees is of the devil"
I must disagree with this. As stated, I know many Christian people, who have never claimed that I am "of the devil". I have never heard such absurd claims...
Maybe only in America? :P
What's the difference between an "illusion" and a "delusion" then?
Considering I am agnostic, I do not know whether they suffer from a delusion. However if their beliefs give the hope and they do cause much harm I see no problem. Tolerance is a virtue.
"Yes I did read the link."
Did you read the LinkS? (All of them?)
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May 29 2013: Lamar.
Are you replying to me (considering I am not getting notifications of these replies!).
Tolerance within moderation is a virtue. For instance if you tried to steal from me. You die.
However if you had a difference of opinion from me, with well-thought out opinions, then we debate. If we can not come to a compromise we "agree to disagree" (without being disagreeable).
I admit religion can cause harm. I have never stated otherwise. I just feel that many portray religion doing more evil than it actually does. Considering most Christians are peace loving, law abiding citizens. It is the "Availability heuristic" which creates this illusion.
Watch "Atheism 2.0" (http://www.ted.com/talks/alain_de_botton_atheism_2_0.html), or read his book "Religion for Atheists" (http://www.alaindebotton.com/religion.asp) to give you an impression of some of the positives of religion.
Or even watch "RSA Animate - The Truth About Dishonesty" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmJay_qdNc) for some other positives of religion...
"A delusion is something the person actually believes to be true that does not exist in reality and an illusion is something a person uses to convince others something is true that does not exist in reality."
However I do not know God does not exist, so how can you be certain they suffer from a delusion? (:P) Read "Am I an agnostic or Atheist" : http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/russell8.htm
So then (in your subjective eyes) God is an "illusion + delusion". However I am firm in my belief (I know you never said this) that to declare that religious people are "irrational and have a low IQ" is ignorant in itself.
I have to admit as stated the atrocities have usually been more political...
For more information watch "The Crusades - Pilgrimage or Holy War?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0zudTQelzI)
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May 28 2013: Funny!
I see you as an abuser, in denial
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May 29 2013: Oh dear...
"It won't work and Don knows I am correct and so do you!"
He really doesn't. Insulting people is no method of persuasion! ("rescue of Don" You could frame this in so many ways...)
You should know better.
Also you are (unconsciously) negatively stereotyping "religious" people, which will influence how you deal with their opinions.
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Comment deletedMay 31 2013: Don, thank you for your patience and thoughtfulness. Clearly, you do have first person sources. And those are the BEST kind. You can't beat a face to face discussion with an expert in his/her field. Also, you are clearly widely read. Thank you for that. I'll check out the videos.
In keeping with your good advice, I have edited my earlier comments. What's here, I am sure, conforms to the standards of TED in a much more reasoned way.
I was concerned. Although there didn't seem to be anything dangerous afoot. I am a firm believer that we all face our own challenges in our own way. And my own, fairly middle-of-the-road Christian faith has done much for me in that regard. But one has to be careful. We all do.
I tend to be cautious on-line. And I'd advise that for anyone. I am open to dealing with people on both sides of the "God is REAL!"/"Oh No he's NOT!" debate! I apologize for 'tagging' you with an 'epiphany.' That was not my intent. But if you felt as if I was "measuring your thought" so to speak, that was my goal.
And now you've had your go at that! It would seem that I've "trapped" myself "in to such a Box, since at the very best we have, is only theoretical knowledge amounting to 4%." Well, I guess if I learn something, then that is good! That's why I spend time on TED! Give me some time to get it done. But I will review the videos. And thank you Don. I appreciate a challenge. And I especially appreciate the thoughtful and discerning way in which the challenge has been issued. Now I go learn something.
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May 31 2013: I have reworked the offending comments. And thank you for your vigilance and guidance on this matter. It is a good thing to be "corrected" when one had made an error. And I wish to avoid even the perception of offense.May 30 2013: The source of morality - nature, nurture and hopefully some personal thought on how best to treat other people, what reduces suffering, improves the human condition, and constitutes a good life.
In regards to gods and goddesses being a source of morality - well I suggest we don't know if any of these actually exist. The various spiritual revelations of what is moral conflict. In many cases our morality is more enlightened than that in old scriptures that endorse slavery, murdering homosexuals, adulterers, infidels, unruly children and people who break the sabbath.
Blindly accepting this or that supposed morality from this or that prophet or preacher is a sad waste of our intellect and the best of our humanity.
If there is a creator god, then it is not reasonable to automatically assume whatever it orders is moral. This is simply divine command. If a god says its okay to keep and beat slaves, it does not make it moral. A gods morality is just as subjective as a humans and subject to the same analysis.
The challenge is perhaps agreeing on basis for assessing morality. Personally I look at what reduces suffering and enriches conscious life. I tend to think enlightenment values, humanism and human rights are a good foundation.
Another useful test say of a policy, is would you support it if you might be randomly placed in the shoes of anyone anywhere in your community, country or planet earth for that instance.
Unfortunately folks who believe in the conflicting commands supposedly revealed by mutually exclusive god and goddess concepts generally think these commands supersede what we would normally consider moral or immoral if it was not under the banner of divine command.
Eternal punishment of created beings by their creator must be the most immoral concept I have ever heard of.
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May 30 2013: Perhaps there is no ultimate source of morality and humans will just continue to muddle their way through life as we do.
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May 30 2013: Hi Don, there is also energy and the natural forces gravity etc.
Also scientists talk about dark matter and energy.
The natural universe is quite amazing, large and complex.
Why is there anything? Why are things this way?
I don't know. But I don't find saying a god did it and this is the way god wanted things a satisfactory explanation. It doesn't explain anything really. You just have more questions.May 30 2013: @ Obey You make good points. If we must realise many scripture is subjective, its revealed to that Time period and objectives by the Clan or Community it came to. So yes you are correct on human morals
But lets look at the humanities legislation is respect thereof. What we accept as Morals and ethics. If there was no divine scripture or divine rules. What would society look like.
Since Incest is but a word in the Scriptures it bears no meaning to our current Generations that belief that there infatuation supersede divine law. Science has determined that same genetic, weakens the DNA strain and Leads to lots of Abnormalities. So how did past communities know this remember, that period of time is very close to Darwin's prediction of Evolutions. So do we carry this divine ruling from primate customs. If so how low have we fallen, we disregard the rule of nature, that is elevated only by our inferior species.
We have to look at the matter more holistically not just at scripture. lets discuss the Morality found in beast. Do they perform any of the acts we feel is our Human rights? if not what station do we hold?. If so are we equal to the Swine because he grovels and eat his own excrements. When we intoxicated we act low than that. So do we blame scriptures for everything when its a manual and a rulebook or the itinerary of past prophets.
We are now more intellectual than our primitive forefathers that regarded the world as Flat. They were 'ignorant and dumb'. Our intelligence is measure in IQ. But does that benefit society? does our intellectuals show a better class than our forefathers. do the intellectuals morals increase our level of ascension. Is there proof where the soul resides since scriptures are so backdated. If there is any evidence to the contrary that is better? Why break the mould. Break the mould of the immorality and inequality as it does not serve humanity.
if we do not have empathy we have no compassion, humanity dies due to that ignorance.
May 30 2013: Hi yusuf, I suggest men invented religion and gods, so it is natural the associated morale tennants reflect the time and place of their origin.
We can have morals without religion. Religion did not invent Moral laws or tenants. They just ascribed them to this or that god.
I can think of good reasons for laws or taboos against incest, murder etc.
I'm not sure if we are more intelligent than humans some thousands of years ago. We just have the benefit of a greater knowledge base.
I'm not sure we have a soul in the religious sense, but I suggest humanist morals or those based on reducing suffering and improving the human condition are far superior to most old religious beliefs. You can teach and model morals without religion. We don't need fear of hell or divine ccommandd beliefs. The least religious countries such as Sweden don't seem too bad. All the atheists are not running around committing incest.
Most convicted murders, rapists, child molesters believe in gods I guess.
Most of us do have empathy. Religion did not invent empathy, or murder, it just wove this or that god or goddesses into stories.May 30 2013: I personally believe we are better off basing laws and ethical systems on what we reasonably know to be true, not cultural god beliefs.May 30 2013: Good points Obey, as Yusuf says:>)
You ask..."If there was no divine scripture or divine rules. What would society look like."
I believe our world might look and feel more safe without some divine scripture or divine rules.
You say "Since Incest is but a word in the Scriptures it bears no meaning to our current Generations that belief that there infatuation supersede divine law."
That has not been my experience as I volunteered in a women's shelter, where we had several very young girls pregnant by their father, brother or uncle....sometimes multiple times.
That is bad enough. The next part is sickening....the famlies were such good christian families, they didn't agree with birth control or abortion, so the very young girl (sometimes 10-12) was forced by her "good christian family" to carry the child that she was carrying (because of incest) to term. They believed, because they were told by their church leaders that abortion and birth control are morally wrong. Raping a young member of their family was apparently ok.
For you to say "Incest is but a word in the Scriptures it bears no meaning to our current Generations that belief that there infatuation supersede divine law", tells me that you have no idea how the words in the scriptures are impacting many people in our world.
Evan Bonney
May 28 2013: Tibet Altar Yilmaz,
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Thanks for this. Morality is a pressing matter for many throughout their lives especially when they see others acting against their own morals.
I personally believe that morality is subjective as there is no moral center in the brain. Thus, humans are not endowed with a set of guide lines in which to live their lives by. These "morals", as we call them, are social norms that are passed down from generation to generation and become deeply imbedded in one's worldview. Philosopher Mark Johnson of the University of Oregon speaks of this in many of his works and is worth looking at to understand just how subjective our world is.
What is important to note is that religion serves a social function. As man has evolved, religion has become a means in which to understand the world in which we live. The experiences and beliefs of certain people (Jesus, Buddha, etc.) were accepted by a group of followers which turned into a community and then, in turn, created a religious following which, came to effect the lives of millions throughout today's world. Someone worth reading as well is Sociologist Robert Bellah out of Harvard University with his book Religion in Human Evolution: From the Paleolithic to the Axial Age.
Hope this response is helpful.
Keith W
May 28 2013: morality is an evolved adaption we have inherited through the process of natural selection, period. Social and Moral deviance are rare phenomena everywhere you go no matter what religion culture or nation, and even when there are greater rates of deviance in an area its most likey because of a unique circumstance that the subjects are facing or your loosely defining what deviance is. Point is humans are by and large a very socially cohesive species and whether your a Buddhist from China, a Christian from Europe, or a Communist from the Soviet Union, the great majority of us will live our lives within the accepted parameters of our environments social and moral constructs reguardless of place and time.May 27 2013: I've often thought about the same and at one point I came up with this description based on Darwinism. It too is flawed but provides an objective basis for morality based in nature:
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In nature there are solitary animals and group animals. Solitary animals tend to have much greater strength and more effective weapons like claws and fangs. Group animals adapted to live in groups because they lack the physical prowess to live solitary lives. Now, compared to most animals, humans are incredibly weak and ill-equipped for self defense. I believe the two greatest reasons that we have had such success are our intellect and our adoption of group dynamics, both of which have now been taken to the extreme.
Solitary animals must have a complete lack of compassion, or they will certainly be slaughtered. Group animals, on the other hand must be able to recognize when it is appropriate to protect another and when it is appropriate to kill another. I believe this may be the natural basis for our built in sense of good and bad, as in these packs it is good to protect one who protects the group and it is good to kill one who threatens the group. Our society is merely an extension of the pack, so we now take the principles of group dynamics learned from pack behavior and apply them to how we should treat one another. From this, all humans have a symbiotic relationship with one another and morals are based on protecting your relationship with others.
May 27 2013: Interesting theory Kris, which makes sense to me!
Until the last statement..."all humans have a symbiotic relationship with one another and morals are based on protecting your relationship with others."
If our morals are based on protecting our relationship with others, how do you explain the seperation between people based on having different perceptions of what is "moral" and what is not?
For example, killing people in the name of a god. Some religious extremists think that is moral, because they are doing it in the name of a god. Some religious extremists believe that whatever they do in the name of a god is "right" and moral, and anyone who disagrees must be influenced by the devil! What happens, in your perception, to the idea of protecting a relationship with others?
BTW, you write in your profile..."I have an almost unhealthy fascination with knowledge. I love learning..."
In my humble perception Kris, learning and gaining knowledge can NEVER be unhealthy at any level:>)
May 27 2013: Hmm, well the first thing that comes is tribalism. Packs of animals in the wild often fight each other over resources. So then we will tend to identify killing "others" as a good thing. For example, many people (myself not included) believe that wars to protect the nation are a good thing. By extension of this, the deaths of "enemies" in war are identified as "good". So if a person identifies "best for my group" as "aligned with my ideas of god," then it becomes quite easy to justify the deaths of people who don't subscribe to their idea of god.
Keep in mind, however, this is a theory of the origin of our sense of morality, not what is actually moral. We have since gained the ability to use logic and discern a "best" that is based on higher order thinking rather than instinct. If we understand why we believe in morality then we can work toward finding the best morality.
May 27 2013: Kris,
Well said!
You are suggesting that fighting over resources (survival) over-rides a symbiotic relationship with one another, which protects relationships with others.?
I agree with that, and everything else you have offered:>)
You say..."we have since gained the ability to use logic and discern a "best" that is based on higher order thinking rather than instinct. If we understand why we believe in morality then we can work toward finding the best morality".
Do you think/feel that sometimes some people do not USE, or do not recognize the ability in themselves to use logic and discern what is best? Do you think/feel that sometimes people may stay in the tribalism/survival mode because of fear?
That is my theory.....that sometimes, some folks are afraid to step out of the "box" of beliefs they have created for themselves, so they continue to project information which supports their beliefs.....what do you think?May 28 2013: It would be good if this information...."90% of our thinking is unconscious, which is where beliefs are held hidden" , could be supported with evidence. I do not believe this to be true.
Some folk's "thinking" may be unconscious, and I believe that many of us who think and feel for ourselves are aware of our conscious thinking:>)May 28 2013: I misspoke a little bit when I said all humans are in a symbiotic relationship with one another. What I should have said is that all humans are in symbiotic with others they consider part of their group. It was early in the morning.
Yes, I would absolutely agree that in fact most of the time people don't use their logic to discern what is best. Tribalism is alive and well today, only it's been transformed into the nation/state system. Most people, I think, stick to the more instinctual moral code which is essentially based on protecting your own group and ideas that you associate with your group. They don't use logic to justify their actions, they only do what they're told. I think changing that is a huge and necessary step toward a more prosperous society.
May 28 2013: Hi Kris:>)
I think/feel all humans CAN be in a symbiotic relationship with one another. In fact, we ARE living together in our world and often interdependant with each other. The part that seems to be missing at times is "mutually beneficial relationships". Unfortunately, there often seems to be lack of symbiosis WITHIN certain groups.
I agree that changing for the better involves the elements you mention. I also agree that people sometimes "stick to the more instinctual moral code which is essentially based on protecting your own group...ideas..and do what they're told."
I really believe that is changing for a large group of people. Statistics show that half of the people in the USA are changing or totally abandoning religions. That seems to indicate that some folks ARE starting to question the value of religion regarding morals. It suggests that people are starting to think and feel for themselves, rather than being led and simply told how to think and what to do.
It is no wonder that so many people are questioning the value of religions, when we have so many religious leaders who do not walk their talk and dogma that continues to divide and seperate people with contradicting, hypocritical information.
Perhaps it is time in our evolution, as thinking, feeling, intelligent humans, to move out of the paradigm that accepts violence and abuse in the name of a god or religion. Perhaps we can move beyond the idea that the institutions which stand by, cover up, and/or advocate violent, abusive behaviors, are not very good examples of what they preach, or good sources for true morality.May 28 2013: Agreed completely. :)
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May 27 2013: Hi Don. Its very hard work but the Glory of sharing that wisdom is greater.
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Life is wonderful if we accept our calamities as Messages and Stepping stones.
They are not there to cripple us but grant wisdom and create a holistic understanding of life.
When we discover our purpose and we are enlightened to be more than what we perceive
we achieve a state of comprehension that eluded us. Just concentrating on single goals.
That makes life so wonderful and meaningful
Discovering you true ability. Gaining wisdom through spiritual interconnectivity of Body and Soul
we achieve this blessing when we accept it. Our morals is our guidance not limitation but parametre to work with.
We understand the social etiquette and respect each other ethics when we do we have achieve true enlightenment.
We don't receive this in any schooling but by embracing your inner guidance that was influence by those teachings.
We open ourselves to more accepting social pressure to ascertain acceptable parameters.
How we interact with this stimulation is our choice and our choice's have consequence
Cause and effect
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May 27 2013: Morality is not just based on belief and upbring
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but the self education of Common sense
We discover this through interaction and understanding becoming sustainable.
We create our own yardstick by the monotony of our lives and how we conform to rules and regulations.
We use our life lessons as tools to sustainability and how we use determined by morality will determine our projected character to society.
We must embrace our divinely blessed aura, it is meant to empower us and bless those around us.
Our Live's is our journey, how we influenced by those calamities is our tenacity to change.
If we filled with integrity we provide positive solutions.
if we have morals and ethics we create social acceptable change.
fighting this change is difficult because we have been indoctrinated by our past and acceptance of negativity.
So we need to look within not at the Obstacle but the message it contained.
We need to understand our tragedies as choice's that had was cause and effect.
When we accept this, we will comprehend our purpose.
I have been in 35 Accidents. 7 MVA a Tornado, Battery explosion, Hijacking Gang attacks and so much more.
But even through this I have lived a life trying to understand the message.
I have tried to devise solutions to those problems I have encountered. During my 10 years of Collective convalescence I have discovered in my inner power.
I discovered my true purpose of Inventions and innovations by using my Calamity as the foundation and stage to greater possibility. My life has its many wonders and I am thankful for this. It did not destroy my morals but cemented it. It gave me a greater understand of my Purpose.
We are here not to change Morality but Influence common sense!!
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May 27 2013: Why Don, what a great response.
I will give you this to chew upon.
This is a True-Story.
As a wee child of 4 or 5, I was a crafty lad, getting into all the things I was
not supposed to. When caught red handed by my Mother, I would be
scolded quite harshly. She was Mistress of the 'Scold'... Excuses were
never called for... Her moral codes concerning children were set in stone.
Caught, and made to stand before her, my Mother had me dead to rights.
She sat on the couch in front of me and voiced her displeasure loud and clear.
I was standing there, when out of the blue, I floated up to the ceiling over
into one corner of the room.
From where I stood in front of my Mother, I could see myself up there,
out of a corner of my eye, looking down at both of us.
Wow!!! What a shock.
But wait there's more...
From my ceiling position, up there in the corner, I could also see my
Mother sitting on the couch, while giving me a verbal shellacking,
and I could also see myself standing down there, in front of her.
Her verbal tirade was causing me to cry real tears.
Wow!!! What a shock.
But wait there's more...
From my ceiling position, up there in the corner, I wasn't crying.
And, I didn't really want to come down. I finally did, in a blink...
If you think this is bull, you are wrong.
For me, this was not the only case of really odd happenings.
One of them I have actually done on purpose, but haven't
the guts to ever do it again... It really is too dangerous.
I believe that our acceptance of Morality has to be a Morality that
we construct... We can borrow from others, but it belongs to us.
I believe we each 'own' our Moral Compass. It is created, or not
created, by each of us individually.
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May 27 2013: Ohhh, Don... Tsk Tsk
I must disagree with your first conclusion,
"True, we all think we are creating our own set of morals, but at 5 and 6 they are your mother's morals and her mother's morals and so on."
And also your second conclusion.
"That's what good science, unfettered by the baloney has revealed."
Could be,... .. Nah !!!
A story,
As a 'wee' babe in my Mother's arms, I listened as she explained to another lady that
I didn't talk yet. I became upset... I knew I could talk, but the words wouldn't leave
my mouth correctly. I screamed to my Mother that she was wrong. She cooo'd me quiet.
Don, I have developed my own Morality. My Mother had her own. I disagreed with some of
hers. Before she began to smoke, as a 'wee' child, I would open her purse (she left laying)
and smell the rich aroma of her spearmint gum. After she changed to a smoker, the odor
was a terrible thing. She had made a moral choice unacceptable to me.
You may (or may not) believe me, since what you have learned from others with the letters behind their names differs from my account. That being a normal practice in our society. Credentials make our society go. The lack of said credentials is subject to disbelief.
I will read forward, and may have a more positive vent a bit later.May 27 2013: Don, You stated about my story -
"I would like to agree with the story-within but can't."
The story was honest.
The story-within was hopefully understandable.
Your imagination may have added NDE to my story, when you stated,
"I have to imagine what happened to have that NDE at ceiling looking down."
It was not that at all.
My ears we hot, and probably red, but nothing else.
Not an NDE experience.
And, yes I am Scot. 'Kings of what we survey.'
Don, I learned to play from an employee of my company. A world-class
pool player, Dollar Jack , in Phoenix, Arizona. We played a game called
Golf, on a 5x10 table with the smaller billiard balls. When he first started
to teach me, he won 10 of 10 games. At the end of his lessons, I won 5.
For a number of years I had a 5x10 table in my basement at home, in the
mountains of Utah. My son, as a 'wee' child, at night would fall asleep
under the table until later I carried him to bed. He plays a bit, but doesn't
have the passion. Being unable to beat Dad isn't something your child
will enjoy for long. He also doesn't care to handicap the horse-races
with me for the same reason. His claim to fame is that he may well be
the greatest fisherman I have ever known. It all evens out in the end.
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DeCastro feels good after practicingPosted by on November 21, 2012 – 4:15 pm
Guard David DeCastro, who is on injured reserve/designated for return, returned to practice on Wednesday for the first time since he injured his knee against the Buffalo Bills in the preseason.
DeCastro said it felt good running and was happy to be back in football mode.
"It went well," said DeCastro after practice. "I feel like it's been a long, long time. I have been doing stuff with the assistant strength coach, football stuff but nothing like going against NFL players."
The Steelers have 21 days from now to determine if DeCastro will be activated or placed on injured reserve, but he has not placed any timetable on a return or if he will be back on the field this season.
"I am just trying to come out every day and get better, get healthier," said DeCastro. "There is some room to improve and get strength back and endurance. I didn't have any expectations. I just was going in to see how it felt and it felt strong.
"I am going to control what I can control. I want to get healthier and stronger and get myself in the best position to play if I need to. I think just being healthy and in good shape says a lot."
While DeCastro did practice on Wednesday, six others didn't including WR Jerricho Cotchery (ribs), T Marcus Gilbert (ankle), DE Evander Hood (back), QB Byron Leftwich (ribs), S Troy Polamalu (calf), and QB Ben Roethlisberger (right shoulder). Receiver Antonio Brown (ankle) was limited in practice while S Will Allen (shoulder), RB Isaac Redman (concussion), and LB Stevenson Sylvester (hamstring) were full participants.
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By Will on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
This is great news, I am very impressed with his speedy recovery. Welcome back David, we do need you back on the team. All the best in the coming weeks.
By Tony Redd on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
lets go big man…bring it! excited to see you line up.
By b ware on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
get well soon big D..
By John H Hunt on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Just be 100% before making a return. Playing at less than that will not be to your advantage and could lead to more problems.
By Brett on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Welcome back David!
By Dennis Douglass on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Great news David. Looking forward to you representing Black & Gold for a long time.
By Rick Smith on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Great to hear some good news on the injury front for a change. Welcome back Mr. David D, hope to see you pancaking NTs soon!
By Willoughby sPITT on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Welcome back, David!!! Let's get it! Here we go STEELERS, here we go!!!!
By John Hoien on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Welcome back David! Great attitude that I know is going to go a long ways.. Looking forward to seeing you doze the way for those RB's.. Keep getting better !
By noah on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Personally I think it would be better to let him sit out the rest of the season. Work on making sure its 100%. We already have enough accident prone players on the team (Mendenhall, Troy, Willie…)
By TROY A TRUE STEELER on Nov 21, 2012 | Reply
Was excited to hear the news that BIG D is returning back to the practice field today. It sure would be great to see our key guys back and playihg at full strenght i really think and believe this team can win the super bowl this year if we can be healthy as a team, so BIG D get yourself 100 % healty before you return so we can make another run at our 7th super bowl trophy. "GO STEELERS"
By Brian on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply
Great news. I look forward to seeing you protect Ben and opening holes for all the rb's.
By Chris on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply
Welcome aboard David! Hope to see your contributions to the team very soon. I look forward to a long and healthy career for you on our offensive line. I'm sure you'll be an All Pro.
By Matt on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply
David, I live in West Seattle. During the Off Season we should hang out. The locals here don't like Steelers' Fans. Maybe you can help me change their minds about our squad, lol!
By levi lichtman on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply
To all the injured players-get healthy and come back,we need you.
To all the players who are banged up but practicing-keep up the work,rest and get ready.
To the rest of the team and to the players who now have the opportunity to step up and make plays……….MAKE THEM!!!!!!!. Continue the black and gold winnig tradition anf superbowl appearences.Play hard,smart,take chances at times,read the qb's eyes and go for the interception like they do to us. and play non-stop for 60 minutes.SEE U IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE.THE DIVISION IS STILL WITHIN REACH,GRAB IT AND DON'T LET GO!!!!!!!
By bman on Nov 22, 2012 | Reply
good 2 hear some good news cant catch a break with injuries this year welcome back bid dddddd
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Fazielah Williams has lived in and loved her Mother City since birth. Having lived all over the Peninsula during her childhood, she now calls the picturesque City Bowl home and likes nothing more than watching the sun set over Table Bay from the window of her apartment.
A lover of the arts and proud Cape Town fanatic, Fazielah began her writing career by spending many hours as a child conjuring fantastical stories that featured independent heroines from faraway lands who saved the Prince instead. This Capetonian princess has enjoyed stints as a magical arts PRO and TV publicist before finding her calling as a travel writer.
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Hosted at the Grand Parade in the city centre, the festival will feature massive explosions of colour as festival-goers throw safe, eco-friendly coloured powder into the air – to a countdown, every hour on the hour – while dancing to the slickest beats by 10 of the biggest international and local musical acts.
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The first of its kind in South Africa, the Holi One Colour Festival is inspired by the original Holi festival in India (a country known for its bright hues). Brought to you by award-winning agency Seed Experiences – the company behind the hugely successful Rocking the Daisies music and lifestyle festival – this festival of colours is an expression of freedom and is sure to blow your mind!
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Passes to this day of fun are priced at R190 for general admission. But, really, where's the fun in having no powder to throw up in the air when the clock strikes? For R290, you'll gain entry and five powders.
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Iyara Beach Hotel & Plaza verbindet eine moderne Hotel-Atmosphäre mit einer stilvollen Shopping-Plaza, um Ihren Urlaubsbedürfnissen zu entsprechen. Es liegt direkt am schönsten Strand von Chaweng mit gut ausgestatteten Zimmern, Strandhütten und Suiten. Freuen Sie sich auf Samui, ein Paradies der idyllischen Strände, warmem, tropischem Meer, Sand, Sonne und einer Vielfalt an Sehenswürdigkeiten. Die Superior-Zimmer sind im modernen Boutique-Thai-Stil eingerichtet und mit Doppelbett oder zwei Einzelbetten ausgestattet. Die Deluxe Sea View Zimmer in der zweiten Etage haben einen Blick auf das Meer und die Cabana-Cottages sind umgeben von exotischen Pflanzen wobei einige von ihnen auch direkt am Strand sind. Das Ivory Strand-Restaurant serviert westliche und Thai-Küche mit einer großen Auswahl an frischen Meeresfrüchten.
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Travel reviews for Iyara Beach Resort & Plaza
Date of stay:
Aug 26, 2014
Accommodation and facilities:
Old room. AC NOISY. VIEILLE CHAMBRE CLIMATISATION TRES BRUYANTE Responsable de la reception pas aimable du tout. Sinon le reste du personnel est bien. Le restaurant est tres bon.
Reservation service:
Sep 01, 2014
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Date of stay:
Jan 15, 2014
Accommodation and facilities:
We had a great stay at the hotel. The facilities were clean and it was a great place to relax. Our only issue was that the lack of water pressure in the shower and poor drainage meant our bathroom became flooded. Otherwise the rooms were great. It would also be good if the hotel provided an in-house babysitting service that was reasonably priced.
Reservation service:
Jan 21, 2014
written by:
Kye Taylor
Date of stay:
Jan 26, 2013
Accommodation and facilities:
The hotel is in need of a makeover. We stayed for 3 nights. First night was very noisy in the room, which was not very smart at all. Staff did move us to a better room but it still had a rather tired feeling. Pool area is ok, certainly not amazing. Breakfast is ok, nothing special or amazing. Overall, we would not stay at this hotel again. For the prices it did not offer enough value for money.
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Jan 30, 2013
written by:
Mark James Smith
Date of stay:
Mar 01, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
Good location Good price Nice shopping mall Nice beach
Reservation service:
Very good company
Mar 04, 2012
written by:
hamad alothman
Date of stay:
Feb 29, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
Nice hôtel , Well located. Thé staff try to Help you as much as they can . We had a pleasent stay. Very hard to get a sunbed and umbrella at the beach, unless you wake up early and put a towel on it.
Reservation service:
Perfect as usual
Mar 03, 2012
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Date of stay:
Jan 31, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
the servise of this hotel is very very bad , can not compare with the other 2 hotels we stay in Samui and Koh Tao, when we ask for picking up servise from pier to hotal, they said this is not for free, this I think is OK even though the other hotels picking up and sending us all for free...BUT, you know ,they charge us 850 at first , after bargin, they ask for 800, at that time I don t know this cost is reasonabel or not ,then accept , but when we arrived at the pier , we found even taxi only cost 650....we feel very bad be costed too much by the hotel which is alrdy earn benifit from our staying....I will never book this hotel.
Reservation service:
Feb 03, 2012
written by:
chen qun
Date of stay:
Dec 26, 2011
Accommodation and facilities:
This is the most incredible resort with all that you could possibly need on holiday. The staff are so friendly and are so willing to help, it makes leaving the resort a difficult task. The facilities are all clean, the resort offers all the creature comforts one could want. Even in poor weather, there is never a dull moment at Iyara.
Reservation service:
I have had absolutely no hassles with Sawadee and I will definitely use this service in the future.
Jan 09, 2012
written by:
Joni Raff
Date of stay:
Feb 24, 2011
Accommodation and facilities:
nice hotel nice personal but allways problems with the towels for the beach not available before 10 am and the cleanness of the room is low
Reservation service:
very good
Feb 28, 2011
written by:
willem peeters
Date of stay:
Nov 19, 2010
Accommodation and facilities:
My wife & I stayed 8 nights in Lyara Beach Resort, our first time on Koh Samui, & were very pleased with our choice. On our arrival we were offered our choice of 3 available rooms. We had booked & paid for Seaview Deluxe, which involved stairs. As my wife had some knee problems we chose a Deluxe Private room which was ground floor, same value, because unlike the 2 other rooms, had a walk in shower. The bathroom was the largest one we have seen through out our 30 trips to Thailand, featuring a large seperate bath & a long bench with double basins. In the bedroom was a long lounge chair for viewing the large TV. The staff from the Lobby Staff to the Restaurant, Cleaning & general Ground Staff could not be faulted. Wardrobe space was amongst the largest we have seen. There was a very good seafood Restaurant across the street & a short walk up a side street was a Bakery, Food Corner[good Thai & Seafood & draught beer] & a little further on a market for a variety of fruit. Overall an excellent choice of Hotel.
Reservation service:
This was our first time booking through Sawasdee, having usually booked through Royal Orchid holidays through our Brisbane Agent. We found Sawasdee Staff efficient & the arranged return Airport Hotel transfers & the accommodation totally reliable & would recommend booking through Sawasdee.
Nov 30, 2010
written by:
Kevin S. Drinnen
Date of stay:
Jul 30, 2010
Accommodation and facilities:
The hotel was great. The staff of the hotel were very nice. The restaurant of the hotel is very good and there is two singers that are playing at the restaurant every night and they were very good. For a great beach you should walk a little. I suggest to take the room with the view to the sea.
Reservation service:
Aug 04, 2010
written by:
Ayelet Cohen
Date of stay:
Mar 28, 2010
Accommodation and facilities:
NIce place but sometimes unfriendly people, very unusual
Reservation service:
Like always, without sawadee traveling would be much more comlicated
Mar 30, 2010
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Date of stay:
Mar 16, 2010
Accommodation and facilities:
Nice hotel and good breakfast. Only complaint I could raise, and I dont think the hotel management can do anything about it, is the fact that the beach in front of the hotel was very poluted with what seemed to be oil from boat engines. We spent swimming time either in the hotel pool or walked along the beach for 1 hour to find clean clear waters to swim.
Reservation service:
Excellent .. as usual
Mar 25, 2010
written by:
Stephen Eric Paulo Redelna Malang
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Welcome... Iyara Beach Hotel & Plaza,
Samui a unique hotel & chic shopping plaza in a beautiful 60 meters beachfront setting that features well appointed rooms. Conveniently located on the north of Chaweng Beach, Samui Island. The world's favor beach vacation destination, a paradise of idyllic beaches, warm tropical sea, sand, sun and diversity of tourist attractions.
Indulge yourself and express your individual style with the very best men's and women's brand name fashion, kid's footwear, accessories, great gift Thai craft ideas, striking jeweler, Tailor, services, and good restaurants to satisfy your appetite.
35 Superior Rooms, 10 Deluxe Seaview Rooms, 4 Deluxe Pool View Rooms, 9 Private Deluxe Rooms
(newly open in year 2011), 14 Cabana Rooms set in low-rise cottages nestled among tropical gardens and 4 of them are right on the beach with absolute sea view. 4 Iyara Studio Rooms, plus 2 Ocean View Suite.
:: Superior Room - 35 Units ::
Rooms set on the second floor of plaza are furnished in contemporary Thai style, key features include Double and/or Twin Beds, individual air conditioned control unit, security safe box, cable TV, well stocked mini bar and extras such as hair dryer, kettle with coffee and tea sets. Bathroom is equipped with bathtub, shower and necessity amenity. Every feature is designed to provide the perfect comfortable stay at optimum services.
:: Deluxe Sea View Room - 10 Units ::
Rooms set on the second floor of plaza 4 Deluxe Pool View on ground floor are furnished in contemporary Thai style, key features include Double and/or Twin Bed, individual air conditioned Control unit, security safe box, cable TV, well stocked mini bar and extras such as hair dryer, kettle with coffee & tea sets. Bathroom is equipped with bathtub, shower and necessity amenity. Every feature is designed to provide the perfect comfortable stay at optimum services.
:: Iyara Room - 4 Units ::
Rooms set on the third floor with sea view or plaza view. The larger space of room also contains fully equipped facilities. The Iyara rooms are furnished with authentic teak wood furniture, key features are Double and/or Twin bed, security safe, cable TV, well-stocked mini bar and extras i.e. hair dryer and kettle with coffee & tea sets, and even weight scale.
:: Cabana Garden View Room - 14 Units ::
Rooms set in low-rise cottages nestled among tropical gardens and 4 of them are right on the beach with absolute sea view. The Cabanas are furnished in contemporary Thai style with originally teakwood furniture, key features include private balcony for relaxation, bathroom with bathtub and shower, security safe, cable TV, well-stocked mini bar and extras such as hair dryer and kettle with coffee/tea sets. The supreme quality of services awaits you.
:: Iyara Suite - 2 Units ::
Offers 2 Bedrooms, with individual living room and secluded sun terraces. Iyara Suite occupies a dramatic ocean view site overlooking the Mud Lung island from Bathroom, fully equipped with all modern convenience and all key features.
Room Facilities
Individual air-conditioned control unit
Cable TV (Thai & International Channel),
plus TVS and DW channel
21" TV with remote control
42" plasma screen (Only at Private Deluxe).
Security Safe
Well - stocked mini bar
2 bottles of drinking water with coffee/tea
and herbal drink sets daily.
Hair dryer
Weight Scale (except Superior type)
220 V power points
Soap, shampoo, bath foam, lotion,
shower cap, cotton buds, sewing kits
Bathrobes, umbrellas, torch
Bathroom with shower / Bathtub / WC,
Rain Shower (only at Private Deluxe)
Neatly clean linen, towels, and beach towels daily
Connecting rooms.
Handicapped room is available in Cabana Wing
IDD telephone
:: Ivory Restaurant ::
The beachside restaurant right with open air atmosphere where Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner are served with supreme quality and service. Western, Thai, Seafood and other cuisine plus light snacks for pool and beach. For a pre-dinner drink. an exotic cocktail under a starry sky. the beachfront bar is the ideal location. Open from early morning till late night.
:: Weekly Entertainment ::
Thai Night Theme Buffet:
variety of Thai Food from 4 regions. seafood, fresh tropical fruits, original Thai dessert. Enjoy fantastic Thai dancing performances and classical song from Thai Musical Instrument. Every Thursday night.
Seafood BBQ Night:
Make your simply relax dining with our fresh seafood from local shores - grilled or cooked in a traditional yet updated, islander way at beachfront setting. Ask your server to select perfect bottle of wine to pair with your menu.
:: La Croissanterie (Bakery & Coffee) ::
A self-service café open daily. Serving snack, bakery products, light meal and refreshment drinks, along with high-speed Internet service and Bakery Bread Products.
:: Iyara Shopping Plaza ::
Indulge yourself and express your individual style with the very best men's and women's brand name fashion, sport wears, kid's footwear, accessories, great gift Thai craft ideas, and good restaurants & bakery to satisfy your appetite.
Our hotel not only offer quality accommodation, but also has a superb shopping plaza attached. Here you can indulge yourself and purchase a wide variety of local and brand name items.
Iyara shopping Plaza is also the place to find a treasure from the past for those with a love of antiques.
For the latest men, woman's and kid's fashions, accessories, footwear, souvenir and sport gear, our shopping plaza is the place to come for leading brand names. Quality shops are well- stocked with all your favorites including.
::: Chang Sbai Therapy ::
Pamper yourself with the full-body bliss of a traditional Thai Massage, Oil, Aloe Vera, and Foot Massage amidst relaxation atmosphere, and friendliness service at reasonable price. Advance reservation recommended at hotel front desk, open daily 10.00 am till 10.00 pm.
:: Beach Massage ::
The alternative open-air massage on our beach front area of the hotel, Open daily till late evening.
:: Wedding Vow Ceremony ::
The hotel is more than glad to be a part of your gorgeous day, we provide wedding vow ceremony on the beach with costume, flower arrangement, as well as catering services.
:: Hotel Facilities ::
Free - form swimming pool,
with a separated children pool.
Each guest has access to beach and pool with beach towel mat and sun shading.
Concierge and Bellhops
Thai Massage Room & Beach Massage
Brand - name Shopping Plaza.
Laundry Services
Room Services
Airport Limousine
Limousine to golf club
24 hours manager on duty
24 hours security guards with CCTV
On call Doctor
On call Baby sitter
In house movie
Tour & Travel Counter
Car Rental
Nearby Supermarket
Money Exchange
Major credit cards accept
North of CHAWENG BEACH, the most beautiful white sandy beach on one of the world famous island, SAMUI ISLAND (Ko-Sa-Mui) where you can find a blissful tranquility, yet the shopping and entertainment attractions of Chaweng are just a few steps away.
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- Development of the first ever Canadian Sedentary Behaviour Guidelines
- Creation of the Sedentary Behaviour Research Network
- Contribution to the development of the Canadian Obesity Network's (CON) 5 As of Healthy Pregnancy Weight Gain
- Creation of the Active Healthy Kids Global Alliance
- Creation of the Centre for Healthy Active Living (CHAL)
- Development of the Canadian Physical Activity Guidelines
- Co-creation of the Active Healthy Kids Canada Report Card on Physical Activity for Children and Youth
- Development of the Active Healthy Kids Canada Position Stand on Active Video Games for Children and Youth
- Development of an "Obesity in Preconception and Pregnancy" Resource for maternity care providers
- Leadership/contribution to Ottawa Public Health's Childcare Healthy Eating and Active Living Guidelines
Click here to download the HALO fact sheet (available in French and English).
Halo's Vision
HALO will…
Provide international leadership and research excellence as it relates to healthy active living and obesity in children and youth.
Halo's Mission
HALO will…
Be a multidisciplinary centre of excellence in healthy active living and obesity research for children and youth that will:
- Advance the understanding and promotion of health and wellness where children live, play, and learn.
- Develop, evaluate, and mobilize innovative strategies to prevent, manage, and treat obesity and lifestyle-related diseases.
Halo's Lines of Business
- Promote and assess healthy active living among children and youth.
- Identify, examine and address environmental, behavioural, psychosocial, and biological factors related to healthy active living and obesity in children and youth.
- Develop, implement, and evaluate strategies to prevent, manage, and treat obesity and lifestyle-related diseases in children and youth.
Be a credible, innovative, and authoritative source for child-focused healthy active living and obesity research, information and planning.
Training and Education
Be an internationally recognized centre for trainees, researchers and professionals interested in healthy active living and obesity research, leadership and advocacy for children and youth.
Knowledge Translation
Show leadership and innovation in translating, disseminating, and mobilizing child-focused health active living and obesity research.
Use municipal, provincial, national, and international partnerships to create, promote, and evaluate healthy active living initiatives for children and youth.
Serve as a professional, informed, and authoritative voice to promote healthy active living and prevent obesity in children and youth.
Good Governance
Be effective, efficient, and transparent in all aspects of our work.


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Careline is a 24 hour emergency contact service run by the council.
We want you to keep your independence for as long as possible, that's why our caring and professional service offers help and reassurance 24 hours a day, on every day of the year.
Careline is managed by the Support Services for Older People Team. The service is available to older people and anyone who feels vulnerable, has a disability or a medical need, and who has a working telephone line in their home.
In an emergency Careline users know that help is only a telephone call away.
The Careline system is a base unit which is attached to your telephone line, and a pendant unit which can be worn around the neck, on a wrist strap, or attached to clothing.
Pressing the pendant unit or a button on the base unit immediately connects you to an operator at the Careline Contact Centre. You will be able to speak to the Careline operator, and you do not have to be near your telephone to do so. The Careline operator will contact the emergency services, and/or one of your 'responders' (people you have told us can help you in an emergency).
- Applying for Careline
Download and complete the Careline application form below and return it to the Careline Team Address. You will be contacted by a Careline organiser, within working days, who will guide you through the process.
- Careline costs and charges
The charge for Careline is £1.78 per week. This includes all installation and maintenance costs. If you live in a sheltered property, there is a charge of £2.20 included in your weekly rent to cover the monitoring of the alarm, the testing of it and the maintenance of the alarm system. Please note all charges and costs are subject to change.
- How to return a Careline alarm
If you wish to return a Careline alarm once it is no longer required, you can either:-
- Leave the equipment in the property and a member of staff from our Vacant Management Team will collect it
- Return the equipment to any Neighbourhood Office/Customer Service Centre
- Return it to the nearest Housing Office or your concierge
Remember that you must inform the Careline service that you wish to end the contract with them. If you do not inform Careline that you wish to end the contract, you will still be charged for the service. You can notify the Careline team you wish to end the contract by ringing them directly on 0121 303 4205.
- Contacts
PO Box 15839
Tel: 0121 303 4205
- I'm worried that my equipment isn't working. What do I do?
If you do not think your equipment is working you can make a test call, you just need to press your pendant and tell the operator that you are making a test call. We ask you to make a test call every month so that we can make sure your equipment is working. If there are any faults, they will be picked up at the control centre and we will arrange for them to be fixed. If for any reason your test call doesn't work, you can contact the Careline team on 0121 303 4205.
- What are 'Responders'?
Responders are individuals, such as next of kin or other relatives, nominated by you who we can contact in an emergency. You can nominate up to two responders. Careline staff will notify the emergency services automatically when they receive a contact from your alarm.
- How do I cancel an existing Careline installation?
You can use your equipment to contact the Careline organisers or the Careline Centre who will advise you what to do. Please note, you will be required to return the Careline unit and pendant either to a local housing office, neighbourhood office or concierge. A Careline staff member will provide you with further information on how to do this. You must make sure that you also cancel your contract.
- What do I do if my Careline alarm breaks?
If you suspect your Careline unit is faulty, ring the Careline Contact Centre on 0121 303 4205.
- What if I press my Careline alarm by mistake?
Don't worry – just tell the operator that you activated the alarm by mistake and that you are okay.
- Can I apply for a Careline if I do not live in Sheltered or Council Accommodation?
Yes. You can apply if you live in a privately owned property, council owned property, Registered Social Landlord (Housing Association) property or private landlord property.
- Can I get any financial help towards the cost of having Careline installed?
You may be able to get help with the cost of Careline through the Fairer Charging Assessment.
- How can I pay for my Careline?
You can make a payment online or by invoice or payment may be included within your rent.


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Sign MPN and Complete Entrance Counseling
To ensure that you understand the responsibilities of borrowing a Direct Loan, the Department of Education requires all First Time Borrowers to participate in Entrance Counseling. As a part of Entrance Counseling, you will receive information regarding Direct Loans, budgeting your expenses, repayment options and your rights and responsibilities as a borrower. Additional information regarding this counseling may be found at StudentLoans.gov, where you may also electronically sign your Master Promissory Note (MPN).
Kent State University is allowing you to use the Internet as a means to complete the Department of Education's requirements. Once you have reviewed the information, you must print a copy of the Rights & Responsibilities checklist that is at the end of the session.
Review and complete the information on the checklist and submit it to:
103 Michael Schwartz Center,
Kent State University
Kent, OH 44242-0001


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