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All Featares of The Hempstead Inquirer aad of The Observer-Post iaTkb Paper Nassau Coimly Review Amaltamated With tho ROCKVILLE CENTRE OBSERVER-POST AND HEMPSTEAD INQUIRER Observer-Post Hempstead Inqoirer ia tlas Papar CeailMBed sad Better Tkaa Ever Official Paper, Village 6f Freeport FREEPORT, N. Y., FRIDAY, DECEMBER 24, 1920 VoL XXIU, No. 52 mono SCHOOL BOND ISSUE PASSES IN ROCKVIUE CENTRE South Side of Village Needs Buildinj|[— Board Indorsed [POSTMEN, AS SANTA CUUS HELPERS "AWFUL BUSY' Rockvllle rentre.—Reshlente of the aouth aide of the village are to bave a Hchool. The proponltton to approve a bond ineuo of $30,000. in addition to the $92,000 prevloii»ly voled /or, was car- rle<l at a dlslricl meclinK, held in tlie uiidltortum of Ihe rilnton 8<-hool, Mon¬ ilay eveninK, licccmhcr 20. The vote wnii 113 in favor nnd 11 opitowd. l.«ren 11. Itockwell. clerk of I'nion Free Hchool lliHtri<-l 21. culled the meet¬ ing to order at 8 o'clo<-k. Dr. Krank T. IVI-jjno waj* unaiiimouHly elected chair¬ man. Alfrwl K. Ives, .Ir., prcflidenl of the Itockville- Centre Board of Kdut-atloii. explained in detail the intenlH and pur¬ posen of the bond Ihruc anil tho school hullding. IIIh explanation wan IlluH- trated by Htereopticoii views of the plaiiH nnd fiKutle of the propoHcd build¬ ing. It WHK HO complclo aiul instruc tlve that any oppoHltliin that niiKhl have been contemplated wa«-«tilled by the fnmk reaeon.s for it.s need, and the ne«'eB8lty for the additional fuiiilx. There whh Home discusHion on tlie ad vl«abllity of re-submltlliin bid.i for llw contnict, and as to whetiier a Kymiia- Hium and auditorium were us.Henlial. The tenor waa Kencially In favor uf the project, however. Thin "waa indicated by repeated and long applauHe as point aft<;'r point wan made. Among the .speakers were: Kdwin O. -WH-iffht, Willeby T. f'orl>ett, ,Tohn Scott, Ur. I), ti. Hiilmiii and Hanford A. Davi¬ son. When the qucHtion waa put. It was carried without doubt, 133 votInK for the propOHition, ,-111(1 only 11 aKalnHt it. President Iven' addresi.s, whU.li wan .ho elucidatinK. foiioWH: "On AUKiiHl 28, of the pres^-nt year, al ll dlMlrict meetliiK, licid In thiH hall, 1 ropresenled the l-Soard of lOduiatioii (Continued on iiUKO 13). Heavy rhrlHtmas mailn are t^ixing the capacity of pout offlces In llockville On¬ tre, Kreeport and Hempstead. Addition¬ al help has been put on, and mails are deliveretl as fast as they can be assort¬ ed. OulKoIng mails are speeded, too. Additional conveyances are accommo¬ dating pjvrcel post deliveries. Post of¬ fices will close at 10 a.m. Christmas Day. (Jnly one delivery is scheduled. The postman, however, entering into the spirit ot tho season, will work all day, if necessary, to cloan up ,iny mail thut may be at hand. Ssata Qans' Whiskers Safe This Time, For All Berbers Will Oote Early Whiskers not trimn^d liefore noon on Christmas Dny arnl New Year's Day may flutter in tho broeaes until next day, for aught the barbere <are. The Knights of the Razor in Hemp¬ stead lown have agreed they will work till 11: p. m. on Christmas Kve arul will shut up shop then, so there will be no danger of Sjinta Claua losing his whiskers that night. Next morning they will shave, shave, shave till noon and then they will go home to celebrate the festive days. AUENATION SUIT HLED Man Wants $''50,000 For Rroken Heine —Charges Freeporter Preeport—The complaint lirought against David H. Kladc of 421 Archer Htreet by David Weller for alk>nation of Mrs. Weller's affections wan flled Haturday in Kupremo Court. The $250,000 suit ia the result Of a clash that Weller and Slade had after Weller had ftillowod his wifo and Slade on a taxlcab Journey, tt ended with a dash In tho cab whon Hlade was as¬ saulted In the prcsenco of Mrs. Weller und two friends. A child waa born to the Wellera April 5. Weller charges that Sladu broke up his home. FREEPORT BANK ROBBER PUT IN SAFER PUCE Freeport.—Fred Uolhermal. who rob¬ bed the First National Bank of Free- port In 1919, and attempted to escap** from Sing Sing recently, was ousted from that institution Baturday and transferred to Clinton I'rison, Dannc- mora. Rothermal atlll has eight years to serve for the bank robbery, and Warden I.Awe8 felt that It was best to keep him where he will bo unable to dupli¬ cate hla escape stunt. COMMUNITY XMAS TREE FOR ROCKVILLE CENTRE Pi-eparations ure complete for thu community Christmas Ireo celebration, on the Hockville Centro Clubhouse Inwn, Friday, December 21, at 7.30 p.m. An early start Is desired by tho com¬ mittee, so the youngsters can bo homo and In bed before Santa und his assist- nnta begin sliding down the chimneys. Firemen in uniform will aid the |io- lico in traflic work. About $600 will bo needed to defray Santa ClaUs' expenses. So fur, $282 haa been obtained. A $30 check was received yesterday from the Major-Oeii- eral J. Franklin Bell I'ost, V. F. W. NEW CAR FOR PASTOR KERR Hempstead.—Frlenda and parlshton- era of ths Rev. Frank M. Kerr, D.D., have presented to him a new Ford coupe to take the place of the car he has used for several years. Tbe money waa rubied by 8ul>s<?riptlon through the efforts of Dr. Harry M, AVarner and waa presented to Dr. Kerr on Tueaday of this week. It was Intended as u Christmas present, but as the doctor was to be out of town at Ohristmas time, the prceentation was made earlier, . The new machine wort bought of W. T. Hutcheson. who contributed his prollt on the car and took the old machine in exchange. * Xmaa ter Isabena Daughters Hempetead—C:oUrt 8t. Cecelia, I>augh tere of Isabella, will hold Its annua GhrUitmas party dn Tuesday. I>oc««ibei 38, In Loretto Hall. Oreenwich street AU members nre cordially Invited to attend. NEGRO SUYER SHOOTS SELF ATHEMPSTEAD Tried to Kill Negress Who Spumed Him—Eludes Police, Then Fires Bullet into His Head When Traced to His Home—Girl in Hospital in Critical Condition, llempstead. l)i>ceinl>er 23. —Killinu himself this :ifternoon at hi.s himc at 14 (ii-ove street, this villuge, Alox-ander Quincy removed all question as to hia guilt in having shot Alberta Or»M.'n, who hail siuirned his attentions. Quin<y had found his way back to llempstead, after having gone to Jamai- (II by trolley, diicitly after shooting the girl. \^ The police were seeking him through¬ out Nassau county and In New Tork. Quincy placed (ho muzzle, of the re¬ volver to his nose, Ured, and fell over dead. He knew that tho police wero close on his trull, and apparently hesitated only a moment before firing the fatal shot. Hempstend.—Alberta Oreen, 25, em¬ ployed in the home of VV. Herbert Eat¬ on, of Front street, la in Nassuu Hos¬ pital In a dangerous condilion, as the result ot a shot fired into her body, it is believed, by Alexander Quincy. her jealous suitor. Quincy, who lived at 15 Clinton street, escaped, and has been traced aS far as .lamalca. .Mr. Kalon's young son, Hei-bert, had ,1 narrow es¬ cape from being shot. The (ireon girl haa been employed .it the Katon homo six yours, going there from the South. Quincy has lieen paying attentions to the girl. Two weeka ago, he asked her to marry him. She refus¬ ed, and ho drew a razor and threatened her life, it is alleged. Tho girl refused lo .see Quincy, though he called fre¬ quently, und he was ordered by Mr. Eaton to stay away. Wednesday night, about 8 o'clock, .Miss Oreen was In the kitchen, wrap¬ ping a ('hrlstmas present, when there was a loud pistol shot, und she fell to the floor. Someone had lain on the back steps, 80 tluit ho could see through a slight i-rack In tho panel of the door, and had ilred the shot from a ,45 cali¬ bre automatic, tho shell from which was found bj» Mr. Fiiton later. The bullet went through the screen door, the panel, into the back of the girl, passed out through her chest, und embedded itself in the wall. Mr. Kalon's eight-year-old son, Her- bei-t, was only two feet from the maid when the shot was fired. Dr. H. M. Warner and Dr. R. D. Orimm«!r wero called. Policeman J. H. RIcker hastened to tho E^aton house, bnt the would-be mur¬ derer had juat onough tlmo to catch a trolley car, whieli being lato, left for Jamaica at about 8.10, The conductor of the cur later recognized tho picture of Quincy as that of u colored man who caught the car at Franklin street and rodo to Jamaica. The Jocal police tele¬ phoned tho polico at Jamaica und other places, but the man escaped. Physicians stated that they would not he able -to state for twenty-four houra the condition of the wounded girl. Bhe wns reported this morning as comfort¬ able. Quincy, two weeks ogo, reported to tho police that he had be<.-n held up and robbed In front of St. George's Church and taken to tho Nassau Hospital. The police learned ho had not been at the hospital, though he was swathed In bandages. Ho still wore bandages when he boarded the car for Jamaica on Wednesday night. AIRMEN ESTABLISH RECORD FOR ONE-MOTOR AIRPLANE DOHGURESUE? ASK THE TRUSTEES: KffiDIES' XMAS ""^^ "^"^ I FUNASSUREDBYi GENEROUSELKSi I Youngsters from 42 Villages in! Nassau and Western Suffolk! Will Have Entertainment, Tree,' Refreshments and Presents at, ' . . = SL°°' " ^'-"¦'^^'^''•''HARTMAN IS CHIEF OF FREEPORT POLICE The newsies' Christmas <li;t^» U Tuesday ufternoOD, r«ei'emb«T z8. They will celebrate around u tree In the pressroom of the Oliserver Hulld¬ ing, Observer street, Rockville Cen¬ tre. In tho Jiarty will be the boys an-l girls who serve the Naasau County Review to customers in Ilempsteud, Freeport and Rockvllle Cenire. They ai% lo have u regular l.'hriatmas time. About that time give a thought to the newsies, that they may huve a very Jolly afternoon. Named OfficiaUy As Head—Long in Public Service—Appoint¬ ments Meets With Favor "Charity bespeaks kindness, the re¬ lief of tho distressed, sympathy with the afflicted, and love of man for man." Such is ono of the cardinal principles taught by the Benevolent and Protective i Order of Rlks. This will be fullv exeni Department Costs High, Blame the "l'";:f'°*!"-'' *'7;!""^»' "'' '¦"'¦«-i'«'t f'«i«>- ¦ •^ . I ' ¦''Ik-'* i" '» ( hrhstmas cel.-br.ition. toi _____ System Water and Light ' '"' *''-'''' '" ^*^^ Freepon Auditorium. ( Freoport.—Tho organization of the ^1 r». J ' ; tendered by the lodge to the needy chil- Froeport police foree waa offlelally Charges UlSCnSSed ¦ dren from tony-two villages in Nassau ! settled at the meeting of the Village j and Suffolk countiea. The children will i Board hold Wednesday afternoon. The Rockville Centre.—The quosllon of ' l»e brought In automobiles to Freeport i organizution will take efTect on Janu whether tho method of accounting at ' hy l34 Klk committeemen from the vari- ! ary, 1921. the power plant is properly apportioned ""¦'^ villages, who con.stitute (¦ommittees ' ¦ between the electrical and water de- o" transportation. OKEEFEINDICMNT IS DISMISSED; OTBERSHOPEFORSAMEFDRTTINE Turn of Trials of Officials Accused of G>n- spiracy—Case To Be Finished By Christ¬ mas—District Attorney Gets Shock IMirtments, was debuted at length by tho V'lllage Itoiird of Trustees, Monday night, December 20. The water department is charged at .1 fixed rate for .servl<-o supplied liy the electrical department. Tnisteo Monds. who has charge of the Wator Depart¬ ment, brought the question liefore the lioard at the laat meeting when he called attention to the charge of $611 for labor in eight weeks, in addition to the regular pro rata charges of twenty five per cent, of all expenses. Ti-uatee .Monds claimed this charge was excessive and Ihrough It. and simi¬ lar charges, the Waler Department waa bound to show a dencil whereas it ought to maintain itself. If not ahow a surplus. He says tho Water ' Depart¬ ment ahould boar ita projiortionate ahare of expeiiHC but contends that when additional labor is required in the Wilier Departmont sliow just what tlie labor is for. Trick of llaokkeeping Trustee Cardner argued that book¬ keeping would mako no difference in the cost of operjitlon of the iilant, c-ol- lectlvely, but agreod that by proper adjustment tho Water Department might and should ahow Ihal it was maintaining itself. The matter is to lie Investigated and reported upon ut the nexl meeling. In this discussion, and u previous one on Villuge llnances, 11 was brought out that water and liglit ratea had not boen advanced in keeping wilh tlie Increa.sed (Continued on page 121. It ia expected lo have all the children se.'ited in tho Auditorium by 1 i).m. Fol lowing musical selections I).v Prof. Paul Polls' oiihesti-a, the following spec-ially propared program for children's outer tainmont will be present: Professo'r Kreiger, in magic, uain;^ i live riiblilts and gold fish. Fontt-Bonti Brothers, novelty vocal | bells and musical imitations. Punch and Judy show. j Miss Addle Tydeman, children's songs. fiiiborl Gerard, ventriloquist and imi- ' tations of animal life. Santa Claua will then come to the I .scene to welcome the children aud ex , tend liest wishes for a merry Christmas, \ following which each chikl present will ' receive a box of cand.v, an orange, a-i apiile, a new toy. nnd for each child : between tho ages of babyhood and eight years. th(M-e will be a new pair of shoes. SPlRITUAl TRYST SOLVESJYSTERY? Friends of Mrs. Lee, Whose Body Lay on Beach, Believe She Sought Dead Husband Intimate friends of Mrs. Penelope I.,ee, widow of Dr. John Ivoe. piominent Brooklyn x-i-ay specialist, l«»lleve she went to Ixing Boacli lato on Tuesday, in the hope that she might commune with her hualiiind'a spirit. Tln-y aro won¬ dering if the spiritual tryst was not suc¬ cessful, for .Mrs. l.**e's body was found on the beach. Her spirit hud passed away. The fishermen, who found hor body, noted that hers wero the only foot¬ prints on the sands. There was no indi¬ cation of violent death. The woman liad traced an irregulaf courso before she finally fell. In order to determine the exact cause of death, a chemical examination of contents of the stomach and other or¬ gans is being mado. Mrs. Leo's friends do not thlfik she killed herself. They know aho waa pa.s- slonately fond of her husband. She believed in spirit communication. The couple wero lioth fond of the aea. Her natural Impulse would bo to seek the se¬ clusion of the deserted beach for com¬ munication with the lo\-e<l who had gono on before. They think sho suc¬ ceeded beyond hor fondest expectation. Job slip should I and thoso between the ages of nine I lifteen, a new sweater. It Is hoiied to I I begin the distribution of the gifts by j ' 2.43 p.m.. 80 that children coming from j I a distance may return to their home j j vlllagos before dark. i A beautifully decorated Christmaa I tree will be well worth seeing. The j ' ladies' .•\uxiliary Committee says it will I lie one of the iirettieat ever prepared. j Tho villages to bo represented, and I tho number of children expected from I j each village are: .'Vmityville, 4; Baby- : lon. IS: Baldwin. 16; Bellmore, 1: Cedar- ! I hurst, 2; Central Park, 4; Copaigue, 6: I Kast Rockaway. 1: Kaat Williston, 2^: Klmont, 3; Farmlngdale. 18: Floral j j Park, 5; p-reeport, 90; (iardon City, 0: ; ! (tien Cove, 14: Olen Heud, 3; (llenwood I I^nndlng, 5; Great Nock, 8; llempslead. | I 59: Hicksville. 24; Huntington, 136; In i I wood, 42: Jericho, 6: l.iiwi-ence, ]8; Ixi- ! cust Valley, 23; Lynbrook, 36; Manhas- j act, 8; Merrick, 11; Mineola, 10; New I Hyde Park, 2; Norlhport, 64: Ocean j Side, 4: Oyater Btiy, 9: Plain Kdge, 3; Port Washington, 8: Rockvllle Centre, ' 75; Roo.sovelt, 64; Roslyn, 17; Sea Cliff, 2; Valley Stream, 3; Wantagh, 11; West- I bury, 3; Woodmere, 3; total, 84«. I Pi-OBonts for a number of these <-hil- 1 dren will bo sent to them in hospitals I or to their homes, sevenil huving been reported ill in thoso placos, slnco the lists wero complet€-<l. Arrangements for thia greal Christ¬ mas celebi-ation for needy kiddles liavo bo<>n made by Pust Kxaltod Ruler Ar¬ cher B. Wallace, chairman, ably and earnestly assisted by the following mem¬ bers of the entertainment committeo of the lodge: Rudolph P. liomschke, lOldon D. Cloud, Albert K. llan-ey, George K. Wheelor, Chester A. Fulton, Joseph P. Shay, Walter C. Dauphiiiot, John Mor- IsBo. William I*. Collina, William B. Wolff, Charles A, Sigmond, William F. Capt. John N. Hartman. who haa been captain of the polico since April, was named as Chief and the remainder of the force wa« organized with the rank they now hold, with the exceiition of Clarence Van Riper who will rank as Detective-Lieutenant. Capt. John N. Hartman doitt not aoek limelight. He ia modeat and was not in favor of being interviewed, but in viow of the fact that lie ia to be the llrst chief of the Ilrsl organized police force in Freeport, he consented to pose for a pictui-e and give a sketcli of bis career. He win bo 60 years old on the day that Warren Harding is Inaugurated. He was born the day Lincoln took hia illustrious jilaco in the White House. .\8 a public officer he spent 35 yeai-s in wards 10, 11 aud 17, New Voi-k <'ity. giving valuaiile service to tho N. V. Kire Department. For 23 years he was in the N. y. Fire Department, lie waa at times member of six comiiaiilcs aUhough ho .served temporarily in more than twonty. In 1887 Capt. Hartman joined Hook and l^udder 9 and saw .service on the flreboat "New Yorker". Two yoara later was again called upon to organize Hook and Ladder 73, whero he wa-s in¬ struction officer for ull its momiiors. In 1910 ho i-etirod with ,ui unblem¬ ished record of 23 yeara, 4 months. At the time ot" liis retirement U-n other offlcers went out. Of the eleven. Com¬ missioner Waldo spoke ot Hartman'a record and toid him ho would lie rein¬ stated any time he wished to come back. A Iiiid dose of gas had affected Capt. Hartman's health and he was forced to glvo up tho haziirdoua life. CHARGE MORE FOR HALL RENT VUlage Board o( Hempstead Increase N'eressary Finds Hempstead.—Lieut. Ross C. Klrkpat¬ rick, with Max Goodenough, mechan¬ ician, made a record for single motor machines, but failed to break the en durance record for continuous flight In thetr inil, whteh started from Mltcbel Fleld at 7.26 Tueaday mqrnlng. They were forced to land by a breakj in the water pipe, after being in tbe an- eight¬ een houra and six minutes. They came dofwn at 1.32 yesterday morning, land¬ ing without accident. Hempstead.—New prices, entailing an advance of five dollurs on the rentul of tho villuge hall, were adopted by the Village Boiird Tuesday night. The price for the hall for entertainn^ents to continue until 11 o'clcs-k at night wan fixed at $20, for dan't^es until 1 o'clock, $26. and all night dunces, $33. The Increase was due largely to the fact that the Board has found it necea¬ sary to place u man in charge during the occupancy of tho hall to see that no damage In dono. Several cases of doO)- age huve been discovered, especially to pianos, and In 'many cases there Is no way In which the Board can obtain pay¬ ment for the loss occasioned. ,, " T. ,. . . T-, 1. 1 After his retirement he began lectur- (Connolly, George B. Hunt and Rxalted , ,^^ ^,^ ^^^ prevention. He is considered Ruler Albin N. Johnson Tho celebration will cost moro than $5000. The committeo raised this money through its Thanksgiving ball, charity euchre, auction or various articles don- utiHl, and cash donations. Chairman Wallace informs the Re¬ view that the committee will probablv bo able to pay uli expenses without tak¬ ing a cent from tha lodge treasury. For u month an office forc<' and a stenographer have beon engaged entire¬ ly on the collating and checking work. In selecting the list of children to be benefited by the celebration, tho enter¬ tainment commute*} htts boen ably as¬ sisted by Claude C. Van Tdnuaen, Nas¬ sau county Bujjerlntsndent of tho iioor; Daniel Morrison arid Arthur II. Gold¬ smith, overseers of tho jioor of the town Of Hempstead; Mra. Winifred I. C^lurk and John W. Anderson, over¬ seers of the poor of the town of Oyster Bay: Ml-s. Mt\ude Henschel and Roseoe l.«lghton, oversj-ers of the |ioor of the town of lluntingtoti] Robert W. Wild, overseer of the poor of the town of riabylon; Mra. Phoebe Scholey, assist ant to the Ilempsteud town ovors-.-ors : It's Harding I'lace Now ot the poor; Miss Klla Howard Macau j Froaport.-Jay street, between Orand ley. aecreury of the Naaaau Counly | avenue Jnd Broadway, wtll hereafter Board of ChUd Wrtfare;- Mlea Ida C. , j^ known as Harding place. This uc- Cook. secreury. of tho Relief Aasocla ^jq^ ^g, ^^^^" ^y the Beard upon potl- I an exiM-rt on that subject. He lectured i In clubs and churches, receiving no com- j pensation, and organized tho Crocker Flre Prevention I'o. His methods were installed in many Industrial plants in New York and New .forsey. I When the war broko ovor tlie lan.l I Capt. Hartman was mado Fire Marsh:il In the V. 8. S. B. shipyard at Carney, j N. J. I..ator» he joined tho War Camp j Community Ser\-lce in Freeport and was active In that branch until ils dis I bandment in 1919. j On April 8, 1920, ho was appointed I Captain of Police In Freepori und has I beon the heud of the force ovor since. I Chief Hartman Is married and hits : hud four children, two of -ivhom are I'llvlng. One daughter is married and I his son, John N., Jr., is a lieutenant in j Truck Co. I, Freeport F. D., when he I Is not busy in Wall street, I Freoport poople, with fow exj-eptlons, I are delighted in the appointment of ! Hartman as the new chief. Mon on tho ! force ure warm In his pnd.sc and bjpiiy ' in his promotion. Ooean Bide.—A man's bicycle, belong- Icg to John 3. Langdon. disappeared from In front pf a houae In Davteon avenue, Tuesday, December 21. It ts a Dnyton make, and painted red. tlon of Inwood, r.iiwrence, Odarhurst, Woodmere and Hewlett, and Mlse Bak¬ er, of the Roslyn Relief Association. The Ladles' Auxiliary of the enter¬ tainment oommlttee, with Mrs. Oeorge B. Hunt as chairman, deserve a great deal 'Of credit for the success of the event. I tlon ef reeldeints. BXNZOMnrr Tk* 4«««ii'ljtbl« ho—iloM rMaadr, tar aara throat and tooaUltls. Moat eonvanlast. tar tt rMBlrta Ml sarsllss A Maadio' tkat maaia b* ta tnarr haaaa. Oat a bettia al rear Onw Mora.—Ag*. Mineola—Finish of the trials of offlcials indicted for conspiracy ill connection with gambling In Nassau County Is expected beforo Christmas Day. Supreme Court Justice Young ordered night sessions lu order to speed up the cases. All Nassau County is awaiting with deep Interest tho outcome. Outat.inding as tho most Important^ event in the trials of Indictments In i-on- neclion with gambling casea in Nas.-<au county, was the admiaaion on the wit nesa stand, by John N. Fleischer thai he had boen iliabari'ed from the pnutice of law in Mass;i(husetta. ,\a the prose ciition waa Imsed largely upon evideino ho had se( ured as an ofllclal ot tho Naa aitu ('ounty .•Vs.soclatlon during many months of activity. District Attorne\ Weeka was plui.'ed in u most eniliaria:) sing Iiosition. .Xdniiasioii by Fleischer that he w.'is guilty ol" misjippropriutlon of funds 1m> longing to clients waa a complete sur¬ prise lo all in the court, excepting the counsel for defen.se. who bad fortillr-d themaelves with <'vid<'nce, ami had brought witnes.ses from .Masa^oluisetts lo verify the iliaigea against Kleiailiir. Denial b.v Sliorlfr Smith SlierilT ("liarl<a W. Smilli look the .manil (111 Ilia own b'hiilf toii.iy Criuira- (iay. Docenilier 23). and denied ho os-er had cuiiver.sation with Supervisor iroughty in room 3 of the superviaora' ch.-imlK-ia; tliat he had any busineas tian.sactlona with Doughty In th;it room, and that the only time he was ever in that nioin waa On one occasion when talking to 11. Stcuan Mclvnight. county iittoiney. He aaiil that on that par- til ular (lay he did a.e .lohn H. l-'lcla-'her in iuiothei- iiart of the ch.imlM-rs, but Mr. Doiighly was not there. It will be recalled that Mr. Flel.scli(-r testitled th.it Doughty, while in,room 3. gave Shi-ritf Smith a lelephone iiunilH'r. 1144 Lyn lirook. which was tho house of Stuckcv. Smith (Icsi lihiil hi.s trip to Lynbrook [^ .,. and visit to Stuckey'a house. 11.. aai,T|V. ho waa suffering severely fiom craniiis ali th;it afternoon, and had taken Ro- chelle salts at the jail. Up said it did him no good. Whllo on the way to Lyn. brook, he aaid he Avos doubled up when driving tho car. The ahorill said ho was not in the telephone room at the Stuckey houae. aa Allen <). .Meyer hail tostillod, but that he waa in an adjoining i-oom in iiuin with ci-amiia. He reniembers tliat he told Stuckey to go get the wheel, even ir ho hud to aearch for It from the top of the houae to the bottom for it. He aJild Conat.ilile Stniliaon g(5t him .some wlilakey and bitters, wliich lie drank. He said that when he fir.sl ar¬ rived at Lynbrook he told Carnuiii Plant he had -,i s(-vcre .ittiick of cninipn, and that Plant told him to go into the (hug atoi-e and get some .lamalca ginger. He did so, paid for ll and came out. After he came out. he sJiid. Pl:iiil told him where they were going to rn.ilvc the r-aid. Johri .1. Dunlvir, warden of the Jail, corioborated Smith aliout his complain ing of cramps after lunch. Richard P. (^omboa, keeper of the Jail, corroboruti'd Smitii about being in anothe'r room from that in which tlie telephone w.is. while .Vlleii Myer was talking. The sheriff was still on the stand nt the time of going to press. The indictment againat Thomas If. O'Keefe, postmaster at Oy.ster lla.i'. and formerly state senator, waa dtaml.ssed by the court, tho dlatriet attorney mak¬ ing no objection. The proaojutlon rested Its case In the trial of tlic four county officials indictist for conapirncy on a (•h:!ige of giving protection to gambh-rs. Wedneaday ut 3 p.m. Dismissal of tho O'Keofo indictment waa taken as a happy augury b.v Iho othor defendants, na the tostlmony con¬ cerning lilm had b«s<n givon by Fleischer. l-Mward A. Kruse. a New York state trooper, teatifiod yesterday thot after the i-ald upon the alleged gamliling houae of Gideon and Husteed. at Hew¬ lett, he went to Belmont P;irk racey track. looktnR for iiidt>oii. There. "Ir?' said. Ive met .Vss.'Tnblyman .McWhinney. He s.ilil .McWhinney lold lilm timt f;iileoii hnd left Ibe racetrack a half hour before. I.eoiiai'd Thiirne, .i conslable, member ol" the party i-:ildltig the iillegeil Stuck.-y gambling bouse, testillid he siiw ShorllT Smith Join the ralilltig party al Lyn brook. lie s;iiil be lie.ii-(l the sherilT aay he was suffering from cramps, and saw him enter :i diiigalore. That txMti. niony w.ia Imroiliiced in .in effort lo prove that SheilfT .^mlth lipped off Stuckney of the liiipeiidlng raid. Tho wltneas lold of lindlng a roulette whi-ei (OixeaUHl ill a dog kennel. Kilwuids. aaaistant dla1rii,-t ntl\)rnoy, said that upon the arrival of tho\;!^dlng party at tho Stiicko.v es- babllslHnent, bo IknuiI Stuckoy say to the sheriff: "You came too soon. You said wo would have ten minutes, and wn only had four to clean up tlio place." Tho witness declared ho met Doughty one day laat summer, and that the ail pervlaor told him he was agalnat the gamblers, and wanted to see the alt na¬ tion cleaned up. A. O. .Myers, a private detecllve. tea- tified regarding the sheriff's being seized suddenly with crimps when told thsl Sluckey's wua to bo raided. Kive wit¬ nesses from Wilkes-Bane, Pu.. were later placed on tho stand lo (llscredit Mycfs. .Massapequa Knlertains I.adi<>s Rockvillo Centre.—A pleasant even¬ ing was spent Thuraday. December 11, when Massapc(|ua Lodge, 822, F. & A. M., John F. Dempsey, master, gHV^• a ladles' night, lu its lodge rooms. Bunk ot Kockvillo Centro Building. Merrick road and Village avenue. A program, including u male quartet, a violinist und an elocutionist, was enjoyi^d. Uefreah- menlB were served after. CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR TOWN COMES FROM PROSAIC ALBANY! Unexpectedly High Allowance from Mortgage Money Puts Hempstead Finances in Satisfactory Condition Hempstead—Supervisor Hiram K. Smith was agreeably surprised this week when he learned that tho portion of the town of Hempstead from the mortgage tax money received from the stale amouned to $41,062.94, 01 more than four timea that of last year. Tho .Supervisor tranamlUed th« infonnation to tho Town Board Tuesday. ' '~' * In making up fhe budget for next y<'ar, Mr. Smilh allowed $12,000 for this Item us anticipated receipts, so that If thn $41,062.94 ts ror-elved tho town Will bavo considerHbly moro than was ox pexited, and it mny not la- nocossary to put any money Into the budget ft^r the sinking fund next year. Last year's receipts .-imounted to $9,SS2.10. The tola! for the county amounted to $75,826.00. The amounts apfiortloned to the three towhships and seven-,1 villages for 1919 and 1920 are: 1919 1920 Hempstead T $9,S63.10 $4l.0«2.91 North Hempstead .. e.726.9ri 14.099.17 Oyater Bay «,127.93 9,054.73 Freeport 1,81!4 60 1,491.12 Hempstead V 978.26 1,304.2» Rockville Oentre .. 982.07 1,140.42 '^ast Rockaway 242.iS 2«$.34 <.x>ng Beoieh 1,2«<.1B l,«tt.2ll Lynbrook 50S.52 S01.22 Cedarhurst 394.«» " 494.3;: W. H. GRACE, JR., NEAR DEATH AFTER BEING HIT BY AUTO Freeport—William H. Grace, Jr.. of Babylon, formerly of Froeiiort, was very seriously injured lust Thursday ni(jht. Ho was riding on a bicycle on the right side of tho road in Doer Park nvenuo, Babylon, when h<i was run down by an automobile, snid to havo beon driven by Mrs, Elizabeth R. Vp lohn, a real estate ageat, ot Babylon. Orace waa dragged 144 feet before fall¬ ing from tbe fender. The auto went 46 feet further beforo It stopped. Grace's right leg and left ankle wero broken, and he wsa badly cut about the head and face, hla right hip dlalocatod. . II> alao received concussion of the brain He was t#ken to the Houth Bide Hott pital, Babylon, and htter to a New "Vorl Hospitui, for special treatment. Ill> condition Ik considered verv »»t1ou».
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I love the simplistic approach that the winner took. It looks easy enough to build. The only thing I would be concerned about is how smoothly the robot could walk.
It may not be pretty, but there sure are a lot of additions to it.
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I also wonder how smoothly this robot would walk.
There are some astounding creations on NXTLOG, and many of them no doubt work as advertised.
But it would be nice to see more NXTLOG robots citing links to videos of their performances (via YouTube, for example).
I realize that not everyone has a video camera. But videos are a good way to see if a robot actually works (or doesn't).
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LEGO does not allow people to post links to videos on YouTube...only links to personal pages hosting videos. YouTube has too many problems adhering to age-appropriate material. Stuff that LEGO does not want to subject young children to while visiting links from their sites.
The NXTLOG operators are working to host videos on the site allowing people to upload videos for their bots. It is in the works although it is something that might be far down the road.
With this said (or written) You can, as others have done, create and upload Animated GIF files which are more stop-action than high frame-rate videos...but, we can work with what we have so far. It just makes the things we do get all the more appreciated when they do arrive.
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Thanks, Chris.
The prospect of NXTLOG-sponsored videos is certainly something to look forward to!
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I wish my sister hadn't destroyed our camera- I might of have been able to enter my walker. Oh well.
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Is equality feasible and is it worth achieving? Subquestion: By your definitions, is equality synonymous with fairness?
This is an idea I recently fell upon while thinking about colleges and scholarships. I was wondering why I've been told (not actually witnessed) that minorities get a better chance of getting in college for being a minority. This was apparently an attempt to level the playing field and make things for equal for applicants. I realized that in their attempt to equalize the playing field, they made it unfair. What are your thoughts on this situation and any other equality situation? Do you think people should be going for fairness or equality, both, or are they essentially the same thing?
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Jun 16 2013: Equal RIGHTS for all are of utmost importance; however, I believe in neither equal OPPORTUNITY nor a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
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We ALL have different opportunities presented to us at different times based on where we live, who we know, what we do. We ALL have different advantages which we can leverage. Rather than hope for different opportunities or envy other people's grass, we should embrace our unique situations and we should all have the RIGHT to pursue the opportunities we find.
A world where everyone had the same DNA, got the same opportunities, got the same rewards, lived in the same houses, and were equal in all things would be as boring as a world without mountains, valleys, rain forests, and deserts. I appreciate the variety of life those environments support. Different opportunities and playing fields drive that variety.
So bring on the different opportunities, but let's make sure we give equal RIGHTS to pursue those opportunities.
Jun 17 2013: Very well argued! I fully agree.Jun 17 2013: Lets hypothesize here Drew, for point of discussion of the points YOU raised.....................
'My name is Forrest Gump and I want to be a Rocket Scientist..................what equal RIGHTS can you give me to achieve my dream of becoming a Rocket Scientist?
Or are you really telling us that the truth of the matter is that....................Some pigs are more equal than others?
And what of the folk that are just 'plain stupid'..............what equal RIGHTS will you give them and at who's disadvantage and who pays the piper?
Just asking.......................
Jun 17 2013: Leveraging your analogy, Forrest Gump arguably might not be a good rocket scientist, but he took advantage of his many opportunities to do many great things. He leveraged his unique skills with the opportunities that presented themselves to him.
Let's suppose there was a great rocket science school in Houston, TX and there was another kid living 5 minutes from the facility who was able to be part of a rocket science program. "Equal opportunity" to the extreme would mean that Forrest Gump should also have a great rocket science school with a rocket science program 5 minutes from his house in South Carolina. In fact, to be equal for ALL kids, we would need a great rocket science school with a rocket science program 5 minutes from EVERY kid's house. THAT Is equal opportunity. Do think that is realistic?
Jun 18 2013: Well Drew ....starting at the bottom of your comment;
Nope that is not realistic anymore than equal opportunity or equality is!
And I further suggest my 'Forrest Gump' analogy like the movie (which like most movies are just unrealistic escapism entertainment) was just to highlight the unrealistic idea/concept of equal opportunity or equality especially as something that can be 'ordered' or legislated or even expected to be feasible with the diversity of the social, cultural and economic constraints on the planet.
And would I be correct to assume my ...'And what of the folk that are just 'plain stupid'..............what equal RIGHTS will you give them and at who's disadvantage and who pays the piper?'........ was too 'politically incorrect/sensitive' to go there? :) :)
Cheers........Jun 4 2013: There's a big difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes. Too much focus on the latter has diluted worthy efforts to promote the former. It's all a question of access. And yet with each generation the advantaged recognize injustices against the disadvantaged that their forbearers either ignored or were not cognizant of. Whether we like to admit it or not, we are capable of advancing as a people, as slowly moderating attitudes toward gender, race and sexual identity attest—statements about "how it's always been" notwithstanding! Diversity and equality are not mutually exclusive terms—rather, they are linked and complementary indicators of a society's health and wellbeing. We would do well to avoid the misconception of viewing equality as synonymous with homogeneity and as a threat.May 19 2013: "Everyone is equal, but, some are more equal !!!"
I think this should sum it up.... while everyone is equal as a human being yet some are a little more than equal. Could be on account of the body given to us by nature/God, the parental property inherited, the resources at our disposal, the relationships one enjoys, the education one gets, life's experiences or other such reasons.... I fail to understand WHY SHOULD ALL BE EQUAL.... If all are rich who would be poor, if all would be boss who would be the subordinate, if all would be powerful who would they exercise their power on ..... If all will be Tigers who would be the goat????????
RESERVATION/ QUOTA for the minorities only makes them powerless... they become more dependent and assume their success as guaranteed ... The correct approach should be to increase the resources available for the society so that everyone has a fair chance of working on them... and yet all cannot be equal !!!!!
May 19 2013: I agree with you in totality!May 21 2013: Very well said Vaneesh.But again the question arises is that everybody is clear about the very concept of equality or providing equal oppurtunities to the not so previleged society members,and i am sure people who are responsible or posses the power to decide what oppurtunities needs to be provided lack the power to bring the reality upfront for their own good.Powerful yet powerless.Quite an irony,but that has become a gospel now and people have become complacent with this flawed concept.Jun 12 2013: Thank you for bringing up this topic. I think there is a very important distinction which would not have occurred to me otherwise.
All men are NOT created equal. We are not even all men. Our social, economic, education, physical abilities, mental strengths, emotional abilities are extremely varied.
We ARE equal in importance. (This answers the first question.. is it worth it.. well each person is important, therefore ensuring each gets the same opportunities as others is putting this credo into action, otherwise it's just another empty waste of words)
Fairness levels the playing field. Fairness is when more money is spent on the disabled so that they are able to get the same end result such as mobility. Fairness is when minorities get preference in limited ways for limited amounts of time until they've caught up, then when the playing field has been leveled, the preference is no longer required. fairness is alotting more money to be spent on a dilapidated school to get fixed up rather than sending each the same amount of money to each where one spends it all on plaster and the other spends it on getting a second swimming pool.
Feasibility to me isn't even a consideration. It's the right thing to do. It is feasible on a worldwide scale over time.
May 24 2013: I conceptualize fairness to mean "a state where outcomes are based upon a reasonable set of rules that are consistently applied across the population," whereas I conceptualize equality to mean "a state where outcomes are the same across the population". Given the varying abilities of individuals within a population, an equal outcome would almost certainly require an unfair system.
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Theoretically, I would be in favor of promoting a culture of fairness by eliminating institutionalized favoritism: no more college legacies and no more affirmative action. However, we will never be able to eliminate informal favoritism, such as nepotism and networking. This means that even under such a scenario where institutionalized favoritism is removed, wealth and power will still have the ability to beget wealth and power through informal means. This means the wealth and status of your parents will always have an unfair (by my definition of fairness) impact on where you end up in life. The only way to eliminate this effect would be if we all started off with the exact same resources (my definition of equality).
Therefore, it would seem, a society cannot be fair unless it is equal and a society that is equal is almost certainly unfair.May 19 2013: My life experience has shown me that some great scholars come from the worst possible economic and social conditions while some people who have the greatest access to economic and educational means end up as criminals. There is no single answer capable of fully resolving social ills which have grown out of de facto or de jure conditions established over time. The remnants of slavery have seemingly hamstrung the African-American population in the United States since their emancipation. We can also conclude that all women were subjugated to second class status until they received the right to vote, were given the ability to fully control their fertility, and policies were put in place to end discrimination in the labor force. In fact, laws were put in place to correct a historically unbalanced playing field for minorities and women. Unfortunately, some of these laws are viewed as a zero-sum solution wherein a class of people feel a potential loss of position and privilege rather than a belief that all parties will benefit universally.
Time appears to play in the favor of resolving some social issues. For instance, women have become the majority in most American universities. As women filter throughout all majors (women of all skin colours) they should eventually break through all barriers in the labour force. It just takes TIME and patience. I don't have enough characters to provide a complete response, but to the heart of your question, fairness and equality operate on two different planes - equality is often achieved through a host of legislative or legal responses to a belief that there is a lack of fairness in any particular environment. Title IX was created to deal with the disparity between expenditures for male and female collegiate sports. It was considered unfair that women's sport was not equal to men's. Legal and legislative means leveled the playing field.
Unfortunately it is a slow process mired in a presently destructive political environment.
May 19 2013: Thanks for the insightful comment! I have a question on the second paragraph. Do you think the reason women have become the majority in most American univesities was because of time (so it was kind of inevitable for that to happen), because of legislative means (an overcompensation for the disparity resulted in more women than men), a mix of both, or something else?
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May 19 2013: I like your last line! I am writing a paper that touches on 'living by your own values' for English class. I agree with your point that forced equality is not really equality. I don't think we should compensate from the past however. I think we should just learn from it and move on. Also, agree with your point on the infinteness of discrimination (unless our free will taken and we become robots :)). It's just a part of our imperfect world as imperfect species (like that insurance commercial). We can, however, not let laws be prone to perception and discrimination, positive or negative.Jun 17 2013: "Equality" is a myth. If, in this country, we are able to choose what we want to do with our time, treasure and talent, then there will be inequality because some have more time, some have more treasure, and some have more talent than others. It's how we plug that back into society to enrich the lives of others that makes the difference.
"Fairness" is a myth. Why do sports figures make millions in a year and our teachers make so little. (It our complaints vs the explanation that illustrate the myth.) Why are we forced to pay taxes for things we don't' support? Why are some people more gifted with music, or art, or math...
THe only place where "equality" and "fairness" become reality is when you and I are under headstones. We are both equally dead, and both fairly dead. It may be unfair in *how* you or I died, but *that* we die is equal and fair.
Jun 17 2013: Thanks for the comment! I don't like to think of equality as one term. I like to split it up in various sectors and levels, many of which have been brought up by commentors. We are equal in that we share this one planet, one body, and (depending on your religion) have one life/death.
Fairness is much more difficult and relies much on the POV as much as anything else. One situation may seem fair to one person, but unfair to another (probably don't need an example here). I don't know if fairness is achievable because of its ambiguity and how it never seems to be universal.Jun 14 2013: 'Equality' is a protean concept and takes on different meanings for different people (and peoples), in various environments and/or contexts. While the inclusion of the notion of equality is the majority of constitutions, and grand political declarations are a reflection that equality is something humankind holds in high regard, and something worth achieving; it is also evident that is not an immutable notion, that is, what it means to be equal evolves with society. So is equality feasible? The answer to that question is no, because equality is subjective to the society that demands it, and the same society clamouring for it is a living creature, constantly evolving, constantly struggling with it's own beliefs and idealogies.
The pursuit of equality is not futile however, much in the same way that living is not an exercise in futility because death awaits us all. I don't know if this helps.Jun 14 2013: Somehow, I feel this discussion is simply a collection of personal experiences of fairness and evaluations of them in the world around you. I suppose I'll be dragged into joining it.
Apart from the annoying exchanges regarding Allah, there is also the disappointing lack of analysis of the root of inequality and unfairness. I suspect many of you have felt prejudice and discrimination rise into your minds at some point in your lives, but what caused such emotions?
As a government orphan after WWII, placed in a foster home that desperately needed the supplied subsidy for rearing me, I could see we had nothing in that poor home, and remained completely unaware of state support in my academic endeavours that led to my admission to a top school surrounded by children of the elite. Thus, I saw both ends of the prosperity scale, a mongrel among thoroughbreds.
Despite my headmaster's refusal to recommend me for a university because of my humble roots, there was ample encouragement from the rest of the teachers. I emerged unscarred and saw the world as fair and equal.
Equality and fairness are intangible concepts, existing in a remote generalisation, usually at a governmental level. We need to find them within ourselves. The emotional rewards for personally applying these attitudes are incomparable. They are easier to offer than their opposites so why are social groups easily infected by the virus of discrimination?
If Americans allow their dogs to bark at black people, they must teach it to desist; if Brits cast slurs at Muslims, they must be publicly chastised. Find your inner peace and tolerance, distribute them and we shall have no need of discussions like this.
Hesus Johnov
Jun 12 2013: When it comes to equality, chances of it working are very slim in my opinion, especially with income and skill equality. This is because, equality in my opinion leads to unfairness, because as someone personally tries to better themselves (get a new skill, etc.) it would be unfair then if the playing field was levelled as then the individuals do not get a sense of satisfaction and with that, I feel that it could lead to negative effects, such as dumbing down because no-one cannot be bothered to increase their "ableness" in their abilities or learn new skills which then would build self-worth.
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Also, equality is not a concept we can give a certain scale to, therefore, we can ask ourselves, to what extent is equality, what does equality look like in action? If we cannot answer this question, then how can we achieve equality? We always have to design the product before we can take the necessary steps to manufacture it or make it into reality.
Jun 13 2013: Equality in action: Here is a simple and shallow answer. Giving equal opportunities to everyone -> genders in military (not that I agree with any form of military force), gender and race right to vote, civil rights movement. I can think of many more if needed. Equality for fathers!!! Discrimination free. You are no better than me and I am not better or above you overall. 2+2=3+1. We all have weak and strong points about ourselves. Finding those is another topic.Jun 11 2013: Hi Kai,
It appears by definition, that equality can be synonymous with fairness, and in my perception, it is good to see things from a fair and equal standpoint.
That being said, the example you provide seems to suggest that in an effort to encourage and support equality, the "playing field" may have been tipped too far toward unfair. With many human endeavers, the pendulum swings, and perhaps it is an effort to find the balance.Jun 11 2013: Hi everyone,
I'm French and I never understood why (O why...) did we put "Equality" at the heart of our national ideals, since it is so far from facts...
No, equality doesn't exist and hopefully never will.
So, technically speaking, you should read "Equity" in its stead. Cause this is what we truly meant.
The problem, as always, is ONLY semantics. ;)
Jun 11 2013: Hi Scalino,
It has been awhile since you commented on TED......Welcome back!
Jun 12 2013: Hi Colleen,
a bit amazed you remember me... :)
Thing is, I rarely have anything to add to the richness of TED users' opinions...
Jun 12 2013: Of course I remember you Scalino, and I believe your contributions are rich and valuable as well:>)
muhammad ali
Jun 10 2013: Dear B. R! Firstly I believe in Allah because the most truthful Prophet Muhammad, the true representative of Allah for the guidance of Humanity, told us as such. We believe in him. For you, this may be irrational, just wait for a while please. Second, my rational mind compels me to accept Allah as the Supreme Being who exists on His own, Who has not been created by some one or who does not give birth to some one. He is alone, All-Mighty, All-Wise. For you, this may again be irrational again. Third, I observe the things around me. In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alterations of the night and day; in the sailing of the ships through the oceans for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the sky; and the life which He gives there with to an earth that was dead; in the living beings of all sorts that He scatters through the earth; in the change of winds and the clouds which trail like slaves between the sky and earth; there indeed are signs for a people that are wise.
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Allah cannot be Allah if He depends on somebody else for anything. He cannot be created, otherwise he will become creation of some one. He is alone all by Himself, exists on His own, has no personal needs. He has no partners whatsoever, He is controlling every thing all the time, He is free from any defects or needs. That is why He is Allah, otherwise he will then be creation of yet another Supreme Authority. We, in the form of souls in the heavens(before coming here) have clearly acknowledged Him to be our Master and Creator when He collected us there and asked this question" Am I not your Rabb?". We all' souls replied,'' Yes". That genetic urge to believe in one Supreme Being is manifested by the fact that every human being does believe in some sort of God, though distorted in most of the cases. Even the seculars and the Agnostics also , in the hearts of hearts, do believe in some sort of Supreme Power responsible for every thing. Let us think about it.
Blade Runner
Jun 10 2013: Well muhammad..............
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Appears you have a Belief.
A Belief does NOT = FACT!
A Belief does NOT = PROOF!
A Belief = Nothing more than believing in something.
You also make many claims!
A claim only = A claim unless you can provide proof thereto/of!
You have made many claims and provided proof of none.
Go and think about this..................
"Second, my rational mind compels me to accept Allah as the Supreme Being who exists on His own, Who has not been created by some one or who does not give birth to some one. He is alone, All-Mighty, All-Wise."
Kindly explain the rationale to that claim?
"Allah cannot be Allah if He depends on somebody else for anything. He cannot be created, otherwise he will become creation of some one. He is alone all by Himself, exists on His own, has no personal needs. He has no partners whatsoever, He is controlling every thing all the time, He is free from any defects or needs. That is why He is Allah, otherwise he will then be creation of yet another Supreme Authority."
As per the aforementioned it appears you claim to know the infinite mind of your Allah and that is because??
And as a final ponder muhammad.......... Can Allah create a rock so big and heavy that Allah can not lift it?
Cheers............................Jun 2 2013: No extreems are good. Equality is all about giving THE SAME rights to EVERYBODY, not promoting minorities. What these colleges do is not an attempt towards equality, it's an attempt towards giving privilege to specific social groups -just not the ones that usually have the privilege. Yes, equality is feasible. We are capable of it. But we have a long way to reach it.Jun 2 2013: Hi Kai,
Thanks for your debate.
Countries in Europe have various reactions and systems of inclusiveness to address the issue you're focusing on. Some have introduced quota-policies which basically means the following - you have to recruit so-so many percent of a given group (either nationality, gender or whatever that may be...) to be socially fair. It works well in some fields, giving the usually ignored/malfunctioning/discriminated groups a chance to have a life worth living and contribute to the society at large, but only if representatives of those groups are actually at a level of competence that is required. How to assess this level is a different issue, there is a lot of prejudice in the assessment process, especially in the private sector. The sociolinguistic, cognitive dynamics within this system create a lot of justified feelings of unfairness in all sectors (ask me for examples...) but the bottom-line is that what "seems" or "feels" unknown, new or strange is usually underestimated, criticised or discriminated against, in more or less gentle ways, codified or not. Another point, definitely more important in my bottom-line is that the codified or non-codified unfairness seems to be the rule-of-thumb for some people ("not like us? probably stupid and/or can be misused with no consequence for us, doesn't need the same opportunities, who cares...")
The system mentioned above seems to create less confusion or discussion/protest in some fields, less in others. Maybe because of the simple reason which is the following - proportion of the inclusiveness mentioned above in education and work and requirements around both. Not everybody needs a college degree, everybody needs to live and be treated fairly.Jun 1 2013: Equality is a notion that should be confined only to rights. Not only are people not created "equal", they are not created at all. We exist through a genetic compositing process (usually from less than ideally matched gene sources) and live our entire lives as "unique" members of the same species. The dynamic known as neuroplasticity, which was not known or understood for ages, allowed wrong and dysfunctional assumptions become culturized--even into the foundation of our education system where "creationism" is observed as fact even if it isn't taught. Kids are taught that they are either a boy or a girl and that's that, when in fact nature has many aberrations in which gender assignment is mixed or anything but precise. Because we a dogmatically taught to observe the falsehood that we're are one or the other, people with gender assignment issues and even sexual preference issues which may be related to hormonal conditions during gestation are never acknowledged. And therefore, mythology is perpetuated that often leads to cruelty and persecution rather than simple biological understanding. We couldn't be "equal" if we wanted to--the only thing we should try to be equal about is equal rights, equally fair treatment, fair access and other issues that have to do with order in society. It is a great desire of mine o live to see the day when uniqueness is embraced and the misnomer of being "created equal" struck from popular thinking. We all have unique potential that is determined by neuroplastic response to intellectual challenge. No one is damned by race or ethnicity or gender to a limited range of intelligence. The sooner we optimize our acceptance of that the more peaceful and cooperative the world will be.
Jun 13 2013: Thank you very much for your comment! I agree with many things you stated. Near the end, when you were "talking" about "no one is damned by race or gender to a limited range of intelligence," I currently agree with that statement, although don't know much from a neuro___ point of view. Some people say though, that since a particular race, let's say African Americans, did not have the option to do a particular thing, let's say go to school or college, for generations, that they have a disadvantage intellectually as their parents would not be educated and wouldn't teach their children and that would be passed down (not genetically, but nurturally (by nurture I mean). Do you think they should have some advantage in receiving education (I personally don't know)?
Jun 13 2013: Race is a sweeping generality applied to individuals--all of whom have the capacity to grow more capacity. It shouldn't matter if one's family had slaves in it versus tribal nobility. The nature is still the same. It is a world of unique individuals all of whom can overcome (unless they are prevented by defect, disease or disabling event). What we need to do is fundamentally change the social dynamics of education to deal with social defaults such as mob loyalty and misinterpretation of authority. It can't be the work of one teacher versus another. Any crusader on that level is bound to be crucified. It has to come about that there is something big happening which holds new value to those whom avail themselves of it. This may involve some societal growing pains.Jun 1 2013: I think the answer to your question is resoundingly yes. Equality is very feasible. And yes it is synonymous with fairness. However, I also think it is important to clarify a few things. Humans are all human, we all posses the same brain and almost identical DNA. But more philosophically, we are all in the same predicament. That being, none of chose to exist, it is simply what happened to us. None of us chose what family to be born in, or what environment to experience. So whether you argue nature or nurture (and you should be arguing both simultaneously), you cannot argue equality, because equality exists intrinsically in the universe. Balance is the nature of reality, be it from the perspective of Taoism or super symmetry. That said, what you should be asking is: "is inequality feasible? And if so is inequality synonymous with unfairness?" Because the truth is, humans created inequality around the time they created judgement, and judgement is nothing more than an indication of profound ignorance.
Jun 13 2013: We may have similar brains, but they can work quite differently. I really don't know much about DNA, but I know the chemicals and proteins (nucleotides whatever) are similar but the arrangement isn't the same (right?). I think humans are fairly diverse, because of the complexity of our brains. Inequality is inherent in nature at small scales. The Universe as a whole most likely has an equal distribution of mass, but within a smaller sector (our galaxy, solar system, planet), mass is distributed very unevenly. Humans as a whole may be fairly similar, but one country's pop. compared to another or one person compared to another, it seems we are very different. Thanks for your comment and I hope you reply with some more ideas and philosophies from your POV!
bart hsi
Jun 1 2013: I agree with what Valerie was saying on the equality question, it has really been defined well by the world's basic human rights, or the opportunity of work to full potential to obtain the rewards from it.
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I would, however, define the fairness in a slightly different way. Fairness could be defined by morality. Some religion or people within a particular culture would define that different classes or different heritages as destined to be a ruler, a land owner or a servant based on a person's heritage or caste classes. This kind of "fairness" is not practiced in majority of the countries.
The prevalent consideration nowadays is the needs among a group of people. For example, if a ship is stuck by a small uninhabited island, or in the middle of the sea. There would certainly be rescue transport of relief within days. So, if a bunch bread loaves are to be distributed as temporary foods, it is probably fairer to give each of the men a full loaf, a 2/3 of a loaf to the woman and 1/3 a loaf for a young child. This is due to the emergency, otherwise, even the young child would usually given a full loaf. Analogously, in a welfare system in normal times, the welfare beneficiaries are given what they need, which may not be equal to possession of the rich taxpayers. Certain times, morality comes in, say, on a sunken ship. The captain will maintain the orderly evacuation by putting the children and women on the life boats first, preceding the menfolks. This is considered fair.
Finally the question of "fairness" in the tax systems in various countries of the world is really a knotty problem. Of course, the equality principle does not apply here. But what about fairness? This is really a very complicated question. However, a reasonable solution would be 'what kind of tax system will result in the optimal economic growth that will eventually improve the wealth (living standards) of all the citizens in the country?' Unfortunately, no universally accepted formula has been found.
Jun 11 2013: Please see the solution I have proposed above to this "knotty problem".
bart hsi
Jun 11 2013: There are already such taxes on the land and structures on it; called property taxes, by the municipality and other authorities. For some locations the rate could be as high as 3% per year. As to the fairness of this tax, I don't want to comment on it because of its complexity. The tax is, of course, justified by the fact that the local governments are responsible for the infrastructure and securities of the location where the land is located.
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Jun 12 2013: Property tax is not the same as land value tax. The property on the built-up land, namely the buildings is the largest investment compared to the value in the land. So when property is taxed there is a force that disinclines the site owner to invest and build. This trend actually encourages speculation in the land value.
With a tax on land values alone the situation is entirely different. It is the land that is being held unused for purposes of speculation where this tax is likely to have the greatest effect. The land speculator or monopolist including the banks supporting him/her, will then find it not worthwhile to continue to hold the land unused. This will allow more land to become available and the competitive price of it will fall. This will result in the cost of goods produced on this land to be less, with the result of greater demand, employment and less poverty. Thus land value speculation leads to poverty.TAX LAND NOT PEOPLE; TAX TAKINGS NOT MAKINGS!May 31 2013: Equality to me means that we all, EVERY human, has the equal right to work, unobstructed, to achieve goals and work toward improving our lives and hopefully in turn the lives of others doing the same. Provided the work is an asset to our existence and not strictly for personal achievement at the expense of others.
Fairness to me means that we all, If we put forth effort and do our part to the best of our capabilities, will, unobstructed, be rewarded for our efforts. I also believe that fairness involves helping those struggling if possible to get on the right track. I do not however believe it is fair to demand those who work hard pay for those who won't work at all.
in fairness and equality concerning work, there are plenty of jobs a less capable person is capable of.
As long as we live in a society of people who do not want to try at all and people who refuse to contribute to the common good we will not have congruency in our world. Everyone feels victimized.
Jon Miner
Jun 13 2013: You said "Fairness to me means that we all, If we put forth effort and do our part to the best of our capabilities, will, unobstructed, be rewarded for our efforts."
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Who will do the 'rewarding' and how will the determination of the amount of reward be made?
When I was a young teacher, we actually thought that every capable student should have the chance to finish college. That still seems like a good goal to me. But the key word is capable. That core idea changed to 'every student should have the chance to finish college.' This caused people to support the students who were not capable, and of course, the overall average of college graduates declined. This led to the idea that high school students should have better preparation. All of them, as if they were all college bound, and capable of college level work. Of course more high school students went to college. Then the colleges instituted classes which had the purpose of preparing the incapable students to do college work. Of course these classes helped a lot of students. And the average achievement level of university graduates fell again. This idea, whether it is called 'fair' or equitable' doesn't matter. What matters is that the institution of education is pushing many students beyond their capabilities and wasting untold millions of dollars creating graduates that are not capable of doing work indicated by their degree. This lowers the perceived value of all college degrees. Well! This can't go on, and we have to find out why. Ah ha! It must be the teacher's fault. Let's make the teachers more responsible for improving the scores of students. Let's increase the number of standardized tests and link them to teachers who fail to bring up scores. Then we can fire bad teachers! What? Fire teachers based on standardized tests? Let me look at that test... OK! No problem! I can teach to the test as well as they do in any other state. And "suddenly" the goal of excellence is abandoned in favor of responsibility.
Jun 13 2013: My mom was an educator and shares many of the same ideas as you. She thinks (and I agree with her) that college shouldn't be the ultimate goal for every student. We need people for many other things that can be learned on the job without prior education. There was another post on if college should be a measure of success, and I think it doesn't have to be, especially those who are not academically gifted.
Jun 14 2013: My Mom said as well that our society is taking the dignity out of common labor.
Ironically if our country were to collapse as we know it there would be a major turn. The labor force would no doubt fare better than the book learned.Jun 13 2013: Actually, "putting forth the effort" is just as key as being capable. There are many highly capable people that do not put forth the effort of many less capable folks.
It seems the education system is in it self a victim because of the diversity in the human race. There is no way any person, place or thing can cater to the specific needs of every individual, even though every individual expects it. Then the finger pointing starts.
True equality and fairness are impossible without every individual taking ultimate responsibility for ones self and having compassion toward others.
And I guess to answer Kal's question, for me, in my opinion, from my perception, yes equality is worth striving for and no they are not synonymous.
Let's say two students have the equal opportunity to attend a class. Both get a's, one studies all of the time, has a tutor and never takes a break, while the other parties, hardly studies and does not need a tutor because the subject come easy to them. Fairness is they both get the A. The one that has to work harder at a subject should not feel as if they deserve the A more than the other, but feel proud that they made the A. If a teacher on the other hand see the effort of the one student and uses them as a shining example how a person can achieve a goal then fantastic. But the students would do well to just be glad they live in a place where they have opportunity!
Human nature is far too subjective I guess to have definitive answers.
Jun 14 2013: Hi Valerie
You said "Human nature is far too subjective I guess to have definitive answers."
It depends on where you put your point of view. Walking a mile in somebodies shoes may work in many cases, but it can not change the absolute value of his capability and effort and I would add, his morality. Morality has many roots and can easily become a source of angry dissension and violent behavior. I understand that. That does not mean we give up the search for moral foundations. Human nature is subjective only if the light of morality is removed. Then its every man for himself, and the devil take the hind most. But we can use morality to judge, to determine fairness and equality in our own behaviors and in judging the behaviors efforts and capabilities of others. Perhaps one of the causes of the current downward trend in society is the failure of cultural institutions to support morality. The separation of church and state is a viable political decision. But somehow, morality must be insisted upon from within the society, somehow. We are suffering the consequences of not allowing or supporting our teachers when they attempt to insist on moral behavior in their classes. Thieves, liars and bullies are allowed to remain in classes because those in authority fear the political fallout if they are 'too strict' or 'racist' or 'conservative.' Teachers are ordered to treat everyone as if they were capable, as if they were moral, as if they were all 'equal.' In reality, many students come from environments in which capability depends on caliber, and might makes right. Teachers who can continue to function in these environments have my deepest thanks and admiration. The political society only wants to make these teachers give more tests so the bad teachers can be weeded out. Don't blame the diversity of the human race. Blame the failure of our society to base opinions on moral values.
Arun Jose
May 28 2013: Equality sounds like a great thing at first, but I'd like to look at the working of the Universe to illustrate a point.
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The Big Bang, according to the theory, led to an expansion of the universe, a giant gas ball of sorts. Now at this instant in time, if equality prevailed, each unit or matter would be arranged in perfect symmetry. If symmetry exists, there would be no differences in the forces at any point.
If this was the case, there would be no stars, no planets, no life.
The root of all life we know it was the result of tiny imperfection in the spread of matter at the birth of the universe.
Beauty only has a place in a universe where its opposite is present.
Knowledge has place only if ignorance exists.
Progress will have meaning only if things were not already perfect.
So as for equality, we can strive to achieve universal health care, free education and such. Although, in absolute terms, we would never be able to achieve a total sense of equality as it would be against how nature itself functions. Predator needs prey for life to go around.May 24 2013: Personally I view that everybody should be given equal opportunity under most circumstances (may be wrong).
However nature is a cruel master...
Who is to say? Maybe nature will never give us the gift of "true equality" (considering events out of our control).
Not to say we shouldn't try to get rid of unwanted social mechanics (which are in our control) to form a more equal society for all, free of prejudice and discrimination.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King.
After pondering this a bit more. I would like you to consider :
Equality and fairness for whom?
Considering that equality may not be fair...
Success often isn't fair (and is definitely not equal).
Depends too much on your perspective.
I would say it is better to be one (equal or fair), than neither.
EDIT : A big question "could" be :
Which is more important "Happiness (subjective well-being) vs Equality + Fairness"?
Aren't we assuming that to be fair and encourage equality will increase happiness?
May 24 2013: Curious here Bernard White..........re your ' Personally I view that everybody should be given equal opportunity.'
Would that equate to your plumber being allowed to perform a Trepanning procedure on you or designing the next Mars explorer under your program of equal opportunity?
Or does your program of 'equal opportunity' perchance have similar rationale limitations to those already in place?
Just asking.
May 24 2013: My system would have education more personalised to the individual to try and maximise (his or her) potential. However I admit it would be expensive. Which is a problem which would have to be dealt with.
For instance you are assuming the plumber doesn't (or didn't) have the potential to do a "Trepanning procedure".
Considering this is a "set view of intelligence", for you are not anticipating the fact humans can change. There may be "late bloomers". Like Einstein, or Darwin.
Blade Runner
May 25 2013: Well Bernard.......Suggest you ponder this for 30 secs...........
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But let me firstly digress..............I'm only a new kid on the block here and what I've noticed (in my opinion) is that this forum is populated with a majority of (probably well meaning/intentioned folk) with ideas on how all the worlds assumed ills can and should be dealt with/solved. But appear (to me) to encapsulate a lot of 'pie in the sky' without considering the history of the planet and whats already in place and what some of changes proposed require as to their implementation.
Moving back onto topic............
My point is that we have a system in place that incorporates a whole spread of social strata or caste system which perform certain required tasks to keep the wheels of our society turning.
Now if we educate everybody to their full potential how disruptive or beneficial is that going to be to society?
How many rocket scientists do we need compared to toilet cleaners?
But then again Time Traveler so kindly reminded us in one of his posts as I recall ....... 50% of the population are below average intelligence, so I am guessing we won't be running out of toilet cleaners anytime soon even though some folk herein feel everybody should be going home with the same size pay packet. :)
cheers......May 25 2013: You raise some interesting points!
I admit I may be being a bit too idealist...
I do agree that my idea would be very expensive. So I do agree they may not be practical.
Thinking about it more, some changes you can do without money. (For instance encouraging the work ethic of admitting mistakes, accepting introversion, and more relying on intrinsic motivators rather than external motivators.)
"50% of the population are below average intelligence"
How do you define "intelligence"?
Personally I find this a complicated question so I split it into 5 parts :
- Emotional intelligence. (Or Charisma?)
- Memory.
- Intelligence. (Analytical + Practical )
- Wisdom.
- Creativity.
Also you require the "willpower + motivation" to see your goals through. Bearing in mind you may view some "intelligences" more valuable than others. (Supply and demand).
All I would want to do is give people the "opportunity" to find their passion (and thus enter a state of "flow" more easily). This is achievable without using more resources.
Bearing in mind "stereotype" threat (with regards to IQ tests) : Where what society "expects" of you can become a "self-fulfilling" prophecy. And you are assuming the way we measure intelligence is (indeed) valid.
And then come the question : "Is intelligence over-rated anyway?"
I hope you take all of these points into consideration.
I personally would recommend these threereads to you :
- "The Talent Myth" (Are smart people overrated?)
- "Late Bloomers" (Why do we equate genius with precocity?)
- "None of the Above" (What I.Q. doesn't tell you about race.)
Kind regards,
Bernard.May 28 2013: Pls see post above. "Power to the People!" And best wishes from the far side of the Atlantic.May 24 2013: (Please note I use Blacks because my studies involve heavily in race and politics) In regards to what you were told about minorities, I know that in my courses pertaining to Black studies and history, it is not that it is made easier, but in a nutshell trying to make the playing field even rapidly. After 200 years of enslavement, with additional years of oppression and repression through the Black Codes, policies, terrorist groups, and violence Blacks were really far behind from everyone else. Things like affirmative action and the many minority based scholarships is to allow us to catch up from a 300+ delayed start. It is a process that was made to be fair, and make it to its destination of equality.
But I will contend that the original intent has been greatly distorted from its original basis, and may sometimes in fact perpetuate racism, by creating racial quotas. This meaning that since Blacks constitute for approximately 17% of the US pop. then they should be 17% in all professions, but is that really fair? It is not fair to Whites and Blacks alike. Based on articles by Edward Greenberg, Mack Jones, and Dr. Diclerico, I think there needs to be further look into policies intended to help minorities, because the ones currently do not address the bigger issue of minority oppression (blacks, women, Hispanics, etc.) But I think until then it is the fairest thing on the books at this moment.
And as far as achieving equality in the US is impossible with a capitalist system, which basis is that many are on the bottom and few are on the top.
May 29 2013: As to your last line, I agree! Boy Howdy! Do I agree!
I am curious as to what the "official educational view' is on the Barak Obama Presidency. He gets to live in the WHITE house. And that house was originally built/rebuilt by slave labor. There is a lot of justice in seeing a Black American living in the White House. I like that!
I grew up in the segregated South of the U.S.A. And if you were BLACK, NOTHING was fair and NOTHING was equal. If things were fair and/or equal, THAT was because it was WHITES ONLY. Black people had to make do with whatever the White people didn't want or threw away. And for Black Americans, that had to suck! There was nothing fair or equal in that!May 24 2013: Why should Saturn be jealous of Jupiter?
May 29 2013: Why should Saturn be jealous of Jupiter? Why not Jupiter be jealous of Saturn?
Because Saturn has a Hoola Hoop and gets to dance!
pat gilbert
May 24 2013: Kai
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This is worth your time
May 24 2013: Hardly. He sounds like an idiot to me, speaking of eugenics, race and the holocaust.
Lol, he blames progressives for the holocaust. There was nothing progressive about the holocaust. The Jews were allowed to prosper mightily in Germany, partly due to working together, until they tried to dominate and use the german people, to do their bidding. Then the Germans kicked all the Jews out of office. Then the Jews declared war on the Germans first, because the Germans kicked them all out of office.
If the above is wrong, please explain how the Jews prospered so well in Germany for so long and why all of a sudden, did the Germans hate the German Jews so much.
Look for all the things that are not spoken of or you will never be a good debater.
May 24 2013: Are you out of your cage why they are cleaning it?
Care to back any of that up?
You sound like an idiot to me.
May 24 2013: Name your poison. I spoke of several things. Knowing how you are afraid to debate me in the sciences, you figure you have a lock on Thomas Sowell claims.
You could have responded to what I wrote about him above, but it must be you don't understand or you would have already written your objections. Gosh, are ya gonna call me names! Wow, what a debater you must be,
Why don't you email Ted or call them or whatever y'all do when you can't get past your first copy and paste, so Ted can censor me before hand. LolMay 24 2013: Your regurgitating crap is your opinion. Can you do anything above contradiction?
May 25 2013: Debate me on gravitational lensing, answering my questions and assertions and I'll answer y'all's. you can use all 5 of you against me. Put up or run awayMay 25 2013: If you accept, the first thing I'll do is prove science purposely and knowingly, lies.May 25 2013: WTF does that have to do with the equality meme?May 25 2013: You connect that to equality how?
May 25 2013: Everything is connected. If there is no equality and fairness in society, sooner or later there will come a bloody revolt. America claims to be about truth and justice, but that's not the case and even science is being used to enslave most of the people, through ignorance.
From the freedom of information act,--- former CIA Director, William Casey, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."May 25 2013: Life isn't fair.
You can spend the rest of your life blaming the "rich"
or you can live your life.
By the way the rich are just a statistical category, very few stay in that or any other category. The rich is a straw man created by those who benefit by you wasting your energy blaming them.May 29 2013: Mr. Ryan, you are entitled to your opinion as a matter of LAW! You are not, however, entitled to your own facts here -- which are WRONG.
Maybe we are treating you Un-Equally? Maybe we are being UnFAir? Welcome to my Concentration Camp because YOU are very much in the minority here. Few, if any, who are vitally invested in TED agree with you on any of the issues you offer. And the Holocaust was the worst possible human nightmare. What is your opinion on the ovens used for burning bodies to ash or the gas chambers used to accomplish genocide?
And what are you going to do if they come for YOU. Is that fair? Is that Equality?Jun 11 2013: Ryan, your facts are horribly wrong. It wasn't simply Germany but most of Nazi occupied Europe where the Jews were collected for the death camps. This was racialism of the worst kind not simply because the Jews were taking over Germany (which was demonstratively untrue). The opposition to Hitler in 1933 by a solitary Jewish lawyer (who put Hitler on trial and proved him to be a lier) resulted in that lawyer being jailed, tortured and eventually in his suicide.
Barry Palmer
May 21 2013: My two cents worth:
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"Fair" should be limited to children's fairy tales.
Equality can have different meanings, so debates about equality are subject to misunderstanding.
Discussions about equality require a specific definition and context.
No two people are actually equal. Equality should not be achieved by imposing equality when one person is better than another (in a specific way and context).
Deal with individuals as individuals, not as members of a group.
Rather than pursuing abstract ideas like equality and fairness, it would be better to try to minimize harm.
Karl Meyer
May 20 2013: Humanity being what it is, concepts like "fair" or "equal" will always be a topic for debate. However, I think the best ethical advice comes from Kant, who says that the principles of our actions should be universalizable. In theory, this should make things as 'fair' as they can possibly be. For example, if a member of society is considered to be disadvantaged in some way, we may tip the scales in their favor. And while this may appear to be unfair to someone who does not have this particular disadvantage, the principle of the action is based on the idea that our good will should extend to everyone equally. I would give a starving man food...even if it were Donald Trump.
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