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Even though a carbureted vehicle hasn't rolled off the assembly line for more than a dozen years, that in no way means that carbs are dead. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, GPT300, formerly BG Fuel Systems, has capitalized on the carburetor power market and has engineered some of the coolest street and race carbs on the planet.
The Demon carburetor line is made up of four models: Road Demon, Speed Demon, Race Demon, and King Demon. The Road Demon carbs flow 625 cfm and are engineered for street performance with vacuum-operated secondaries. Road Demons are engineered as an affordable fueler for 200 to 350hp street engines. Speed Demons are next up the performance ladder and are available in 650, 750, and 850-cfm versions that can be ordered with either vacuum or mechanical secondaries.
The newest carb to come from GPT300 is the Speed Demon VE that even offers an electric choke (the only 850-cfm electric choke performance carb in the Demon line) for the ultimate in streetability. The Race and King Demon carbs can be used on the street if you're so inclined, but they're really built for all types of racing from off-shore power boats to Pro-Street race cars. Race and King Demons are offered in two versions, Standard and RS. The RS in all Demon carbs designates that they are equipped with removable venturi sleeves and replaceable venturi boosters which give these carbs the ultimate in versatility and tuning ability.
Looking beyond race tuning and ultimate horsepower capability, the Demon line was engineered with several improvements over tradition four-barrel carbs. One of the line's best features is the billet aluminum baseplates on all Road, Speed, and Race Demons and the aluminum metering blocks standard in all. The benefit of using billet material over a casting is that there's no porosity in billet parts and porosity has been known to cause havoc in carburetors. Also, making the base plates from a solid block of aluminum means there's little chance of snapping an ear off of it when you torque it down to the intake manifold. Idle and float level adjustments are easily done on the Demon carbs thanks to the large, clear sight-glass plugs in the side of each fuel bowl and the big, knurled idle-mixture screws that are easy to keep your screwdriver or fingers on. Race Demons even feature a secondary throttle shaft idle speed adjustment so motors with big cams won't have to open the primaries too far just to idle. All Demon main bodies are manufactured utilizing a new die-casting technology that ensures an accurate, smooth venturi that won't require any hand polishing to optimize flow. This means the days of grinding and smoothing venturis are a thing of the past.
The Road and Speed Demon line were designed to handle about 90% of the carburetor market. We've had good success making power with out-of-the-box Demon carbs, including the stock 750-cfm Speed Demon that fueled our 408-cid "Mean Little Rodent" big-block, which has already made more than 540hp with nothing more than a jet change. In fact, the Speed and Road Demon carbs are so universal and cover so much ground that you'd be hard-pressed to find a street engine they wouldn't work great on.


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The MCA and chef Wolfgang Puck have teamed up to create PUCK'S at the MCA, an exciting dining destination in the heart of Chicago's Magnificent Mile. Featuring a full-service restaurant and an express counter, PUCK'S at the MCA offers a delicious lunch menu that draws on the Mediterranean and Asian influences. Make sure to stop by PUCK'S on Sundays to enjoy a very special brunch menu. Museum admission is not required to dine. Reservations are recommended.
Tuesdays on the Terrace
At the MCA's live jazz series, Tuesdays on the Terrace, Puck's offers a dinner buffet which will featuring fresh, locally grown produce for $23 per person. For a more impromptu evening, bring a blanket or rent a lawn chair ($5 each) and relax in the garden. Hamburgers, hotdogs, snacks, and sides may be purchased from the outdoor grill, along with cold beverages, wine, and seasonal cocktails from the cash bar on the lower terrace. Tables are limited—call 312.397.4034 for reservations. Outside food and beverages are not permitted.
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It was hot in Starkville at 11 a.m. Friday.
It's still going to be hot on Aug. 19 when the Starkville Academy Volunteers open the season at home against St. Andrews.
Starkville Academy head coach Jeff Terrill was getting his team ready for the weather the early portion of the schedule will present with a morning scrimmage against Lamar School that lasted past the noon hour at Volunteer Field.
"We really put them in a tough situation at 11 (a.m.) with the heat," Terrill said. "We're going to gain a lot from it and I think Lamar is too."
SA senior offensive and defensive lineman Angus Catchot welcomed the opportunity to get conditioned in similar temperatures the players will be feeling when the games begin to count.
Catchot didn't see the Vols as sharp on the offensive side of the football, but thought the defense remained strong.
"I feel like our front four defensive linemen are looking pretty good this year," Catchot said. "We were a little weak with the defensive backs, but it was the first scrimmage and haven't played a game yet. They're doing good."
Terrill also saw some good things, but is still waiting for some players to step up and make plays.
"It looks like definitely to me that we were a football team on a first date," Terrill said. "Nobody would really step up and really make a move.
"We're pleased with where we are, but still have a lot of work to do."
Starkville Academy gets another opportunity to improve in a game-type situation on Thursday at Jackson Academy's jamboree.
Terrill welcomes any work the Vols can get in that format.
"It will be with officials and a more game-type atmosphere so it's another big step," Terrill said. "It's so valuable especially with the numbers we've got. Going against somebody else, I think the kids have fun."
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After a long winter with record-setting snow packs, Maine 2008 deer harvest was the lowest in decades.
The Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife says preliminary figures put the deer kill at 21,062, or 27 percent below the 2007 total.
Deer biologist Lee Kantar says deer yarded up on average for 140 days, compared to the normal 84 days. The result was extremely low survival rates for fawns, reflected in a 45 percent decline in the fawn harvest.
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It hasn't changed so I don't see why we would care.
Besides, do you know how different Americans are from the rest of the world? If we're willing to stick to feet, inches and miles while everyone else uses the metric system and we use Fahrenheit while everyone else uses Celcius, what makes you think we're going to bow down and change the name of the sport that's the centerpiece behind the most financially successful sports franchise in the world just because a bunch of sentimentalists want to whine?


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This stunning evening gown featured a long blue tricot skirt with an elasticized waist and a matching tunic. The halter neckline and "V" hem were trimmed with golden braid. Golden braid formed the tie belt. A golden vinyl cut-out accented the neck.
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Biologists that study plant morphology use a number of different terms to describe plant organs and parts that can be observed with the human eye using no more than a hand held magnifying lens. These terms are used to identify and classify plants.
Duration of individual plant lives are described using these terms:
Roots generally do not offer many characters used in plant identification and classification but are important in determining plant duration though in some groups they very important for proper identification including the grasses.
Leaf Parts: - A complete leaf is composed of a blade, petiole and stipules and in many plants one or more might be lacking or highly modified.
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I'm bringing hard raspberry lemonade. I'm very slowly trying to acclimate myself to alcohol, so I'm not such a dork. And bringing 7" singles!
Sounds good. I look forward to seeing you guys this evening!
We'll see how well it goes having it on First Friday. I was just informed that instead of the band playing in the front parking lot facing grand, a DJ will be spinning in the courtyard just steps from my living room door. Hopefully he's at least good.
I'm here to declare success. Thanks for coming that was fun.
We heard some Velvet Underground, Depeche Mode, Suger Cubes, Catherine Wheele and Charles Bradley. Dranks some booze with some silent video of planets and nature in the background of the music and closed it out with some darts.
happy sensations.
Who brought Charles Bradley?
Courtney Barnett - 6/5 - The Mohawk
The Avett Brothers/Old Crow Medicine Show - 6/27 - Whitewater Amphitheater
Death Grips - 7/18 - The Mohawk
Kraftwerk - 9/25 - Bass Concert Hall
I own it.
I propose Friday June 8th or Saturday June 9th for the next Record Club. Which works best for most of you?
i'm very interested in this haha, sounds like it would so much fun! am i invited to join?
'07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '12 w1, '13 w2, '14w1..
I'm sorry I missed this. It sounds like a lot of fun, and an excuse to get all my old lps back down from Payson.
Even though I look like one, I'm not a cop.
Coachella 10, 12.1, 13.1, 14.2, 15.1
Lalapalooza 94
Yes but I think we have to pick a different day this time. How does June 8th or 9th sound to people?
I'd bring my NIN records, but I wouldn't want to put Jen to sleep.
I just realized that weekend might not work for me either. Lets put it to a vote. Anyone who is interested in Record Club, which day works best for most of you.
Pick one. We will say 6PM.
I posted in the Phoenix thread too.
Do you people listen to actual vinyl records?
If so, why?
We do. I started collecting vinyl last year when I started missing something tangible for music. I used to have a large cassette collection that I replaced with CD's and then I lost that collection and went several years with just digital music. I have found listening to music on vinyl to be more intimate and I am much more attentive to it by listening this way as well. It's also fun to have people over and bring over different music. Drinking, sharing conversation and music is pretty fun.


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The NAIA will create an integrated opportunity that not only meets your marketing objectives, but makes a difference with young people every step of the way.
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Official Partners
The NAIA and their partners impact communities across the United States and Canada. Learn more about the businesses that support the NAIA mission below.
Jostens - Official Supplier of Recognition Rings
Jostens is the Official Supplier of Recognition Rings to the NAIA. Jostens is the only ring supplier authorized to use the NAIA logo. Jostens provides rings for all NAIA National champions and recognition rings for NAIA All-America Athletes. Minneapolis-based Jostens, founded in 1897, is a leading provider of products, programs and services that help people celebrate important moments, recognize achievements and build affiliations. Through tradition and technology, innovation and partnerships, Jostens continues to create powerful new ways for people to express their pride and mark life's biggest moments.
Kiefer - Official Swim Gear, Lifeguard and Aquatic Equipment Provider of the NAIA
Kiefer is the Official Swim Gear, Lifeguard and Aquatic Equipment Provider of the NAIA. Today, Kiefer is a multifaceted company but still purely focused on serving the aquatic industry. They have expertise in engineering world class products like our custom starting blocks and racing lanes for all levels of aquatic facilities. They serve the lifeguard and aquatic safety and rescue industry with a full line of products that absolutely perform when you most need them to, and they serve the competitive swim business with the products needed to swim at the highest level.
AudienceView - Official Ticketing Solution of the NAIA
AudienceView is the Official Ticketing Solution of the NAIA. AudienceView has provided business solutions to the entertainment industry for more than 10 years. They are headquartered in Toronto, Canada and have offices in the United States and United Kingdom. Their team believes in building great tools that help businesses drive customer engagement through technology.
iSportz Athletics - Official Mobile App Provider of the NAIA
iSportz Athletics is the Official Moble App Provider of the NAIA. iSportz will provide dedicated apps for NAIA membership, championships and the national convention. iSportz Athletics is a wholly owned subsidiary of iSmart Mobile Marketing and is a leading provider of professional branded mobile apps and websites for College, High School, Middle School and Youth League Athletic Programs specializing in one-sport or a year round for multiple sports mobile app that helps bring brand recognition to athletic programs while at the same time providing a value added communication tool for their student athletes, alumni, fan base as well as their sponsors.
Shorts Travel Management - Official Travel Partner of the NAIA
Shorts Travel Management is the Official Travel Partner of the NAIA. Established in 1946, Short's Travel Management has grown to become one of the top 20 travel management companies in the industry. We are proficient in specialized segments including Sports, Groups & Meetings and Air Charters and have developed unique solutions for the most complex travel programs. With our extensive experience in group travel, Short's looks forward to the opportunity to provide NAIA members and staff with the best travel experience possible utilizing our unique innovations and travel tools. Short's also provides NAIA a dedicated toll free number, 24/7 assistance, access to Short's exclusive negotiated rates and discounts, and group athletic and individual recruiting travel specialists.
Gym Masters - Official Basketball Court Redesign and Refurbish Partner of the NAIA
Gym Masters is the Official Basketball Court Redesign and Refurbish Partner of the NAIA. Gym Masters is located in Searcy, Arkansas and has been in the basketball court service business since 1993. By using a new basketball court refurbish system and having a graphic designer on staff, Gym Masters has been able to create unique court graphics for its customers, often completed over the course of a weekend to better convenience its customers.
Collegiate Awards - Official Trophy and Plaque Supplier
Collegiate Awards is the Official Trophy and Plaque Supplier of the NAIA. Collegiate Awards is a full service awards company offering trophies, plaques and gifts, as well as promotional products and custom signage. They work with the Industry's most reputable suppliers to offer a wide range of items, and customize these to suit any client's needs.
Front Rush - Official Recruiting Software of the NAIA
Front Rush is the official recruiting software of the NAIA. Front Rush specializes in providing a cloud-based recruiting software for college coaches. Front Rush also has a moble application that will provide coaches, who are always on the go, a way to stay up on recruiting.
ASICS America - Official Footwear and Apparel Supplier to NAIA Cross Country and Track and Field
Asics America is the official footwear and apparel supplier to the NAIA. ASICS is a true sport performance brand that offers innovative products to athletes of all levels. Asics will sponsor the NAIA All-Americans in Cross Country and Indoor and Outdoor Track and Field.
Stretch Internet - Official Video-Streaming Provider of the NAIA
Stretch Internet is the official video-streaming provider of the NAIA. Stretch Internet is a leader in high-definition quality collegiate video-streaming services and currently owns a client list of more than 120 NAIA member institutions. Based out of Gilbert, Ariz., Stretch Internet broadcasts more than 55,000 live events a year from its pool of over 500-plus collegiate partners. President and CEO Ryan Ermeling founded the company in 2003. Ermeling is a graduate of current NAIA institution Concordia University in Irvine, Calif.
DreamSeat and Seating Solutions - Official Stadium Seating and Branded Furniture Provider of the NAIA
DreamSeat and Seating Solutions is the Official Stadium Seating and Branded Furniture Provider of the NAIA. DreamSeat is a custom furniture manufacturer and Seating Solutions is a stadium seating manufacturer and installer. DreamSeat offers a full range of custom branded furniture with a large presence in the collegiate and professional market and Seating Solutions specializes in custom outside the box projects and develops turnkey solutions for your spectator seating needs. With these partnerships, the NAIA will provide members with price discounts on DreamSeat and Seating Solutions products.
No Sweat Wipes - Preferred Sports Mop of the NAIA
No Sweat Wipes is the Preferred Sports Mop of the NAIA. No Sweat Wipe is a court mop manufacturer that is familiar for its large circular disk, with a logo typically displayed. With this partnership, the NAIA will be able to provide members with price discounts on court mops and replacement discs for school or sponsor logos.
Sports Field Engineering - Official Sports Facility Provider of the NAIA
Sports Field Engineering is the Official Sports Facility Provider of the NAIA. Sports Field Contractors, a subsidary of Sports Field Holdings, Inc., Pawnee, Ill., is a product development, engineering, manufacturing and construction company that designs, engineers and builds athletics facilities.
USA Sports Banners - Official Signage Partner of the NAIA
USA Sports Banners is a Grand Format Sign and Digital printing company dedicated to providing quality image enhancing banners and signage products to the sports industry. They offer a full range of banners, fence mesh, floor graphics, wall murals, vehicle wraps, and a variety of other signage products.
Rawlings Sporting Goods - Official Baseball and Football Equipment Supplier, Official Team Apparel Provider for NAIA Basketball, Baseball, Football and Softball.
Rawlings Sporting Goods provides equipment for baseball and football and provides team apparel for NAIA basketball, baseball and football. Rawlings will now offer a market code of "NAIA" to NAIA membership, which will lead to special pricing on all gloves, bats, bags and protective equipment and team apparel for baseball, basketball and football. To receive the discounted pricing, the code must be used when placing all orders. Contact your local Rawlings sales rep for information on equipment and apparel.
Worth Sports - Official Equipment Supplier for Softball.
Worth Sports provides equipment for NAIA softball. Worth will now offer a market code of "NAIA" to NAIA membership, which will lead to special pricing on all gloves, bats, bags and protective equipment and team apparel for softball. To receive the discounted pricing, the code must be used when placing all orders. Contact your local Worth sales rep for information on equipment and apparel.
HONIG'S WHISTLE STOP - Official NAIA Supplier of Umpires, Referees and Game Officials Gear
Honig's Whistle Stop provides designated NAIA apparel for umpires, referees and game officials for purchase through their Web site. All shirts, hats and jackets with the appropriate NAIA logo can be purchased.
STRATEGIC MARKETING NETWORK - Official Promotional Product Partner of the NAIA
Strategic Marketing Network blends a rare combination of skill sets to provide added value to its clients, which far exceeds that of the promotional item itself. Its principals bring decades of experience in client service, brand marketing, design, consulting, fashion and sales, availing clients of a vast array of resources and all of this beyond the great price and exceptional service.
TECHLINE SPORTS LIGHTING - Official Sports Lighting Provider of the NAIA
Techline Sports Lighting has a mission to serve the worldwide sports community by promoting the practice of excellent lighting design. Techline is a one stop source for consulting, design, products, installation and guarantees and has been creating customer solutions for over 25 years.
CRAMER PRODUCTS - Official Sports Medicine Supplier
Cramer Products sponsors the NAIA Trainer of the Year Award and the Student Trainer of the Year Award. They also provide product for all NAIA National Championships. Cramer Products has been the industry leader in sports medicine and athletic training room supplies for over 85 years. Cramer utilizes the most advanced materials and science available to design products by the athletic trainer, for the athletic trainer.
DAKTRONICS - Official Scoreboard, Timer, Video, Message Center, Statistical Provider
Daktronics also sponsors the NAIA Scholar-Athlete Awards and provides Web casts for National Championship events. Daktronics designs, manufactures, sells and services dynamic visual communication systems for customers worldwide. Daktronics customers are typically sports organizations, businesses and government entities.
FINE DESIGNS - Official Merchandiser
With the best quality of merchandise and unstoppable drive to succeed, Fine Designs has become the largest and most widespread company specializing in on-site, custom-made apparel and novelty merchandise, event merchandise programs for Sports Associations, Sports Commissions, Host Organizations, Tournament/Meet Directors, Event Rights Holders, National Governing Bodies, Sport Clubs and Amateur Sports Organizations.
MASTER'S TRANSPORTATION - Official Shuttle Bus Sales and Leasing Provider
Master's Transportation has been a national provider for the purchase or lease of passenger vehicles ranging in size from full size Motor Coaches to Golf Carts and everything in between for the past 30 years. Their relationships with the top shuttle manufactures gives their clients access to the best quality and technology the industry has available. Master's client base includes colleges, schools, churches, hospitals, hotels, casinos, and passenger transport companies including municipalities. They also provide full support of your vehicle through service facility relationships, rental shuttles and a body shop.
MUTUAL OF OMAHA - Official Catastrophic Athletics Injury Insurance Carrier
Mutual of Omaha is a full-service, multi-line organization providing insurance and financial products for individuals, businesses and groups throughout the United States.
ASCENSION INSURANCE - Official Athletic Insurance and Risk Management Consultant
Working with the NAIA National Office, Ascension (formally Summit America Insurance Services), has developed a portfolio of services and programs to meet the needs of each NAIA member school. Ascension continues to be the exclusive distributor for intercollegiate sports coverage on behalf of Mutual of Omaha.
NATIONAL CAR RENTAL - Official Automobile Rental Provider
National Car Rental is one of the world's largest rental car companies and serves the most popular domestic and international travel destinations by providing quality vehicles. National Care Rental offers NAIA member institutions and staff a number of benefits, including the Emerald Club, National Car Rental's premier level of service. Click on this link to access NAIA's perferred rates and rent a vehicle.
BUFFALO FUNDS - Champions of Character Founding Partner
Buffalo Funds assists in the Champions of Character program growth and is the title sponsor of the NAIA Men's Division I Basketball National Championship. Kornitzer Capital Management Inc. (KCM), manager of Buffalo Funds, monitors investments for high net worth individuals, corporations, pensions, colleges, foundations, mutual funds and trust commingled and common funds.
CITY OF KANSAS CITY, MO. - Civic Partner
The National Office collaborates with the city to cultivate new relationships with the people and businesses in the community as well as to benefit the city in as many ways as possible. With the city's continued support of the NAIA's Men's DI Basketball National Championship and Champions of Character program, the NAIA has seen positive growth and development.
AMERICAN RED CROSS - Youth Leadership Program Partner
American Red Cross (ARC), the NAIA and State Farm Insurance established an innovative ARC/NAIA Youth Leadership Program. The program is intended to: exemplify core values of the NAIA Champions of Character program; inspire a new generation of Red Cross volunteers. Students receive scholarship support provided by the American Red Cross and State Farm Insurance.
Ball Adoptions
The NAIA is proud to be affiliated with quality sports equipment companies through Official Ball Adoptions. Below is the full list of the NAIA Official Ball Adoptions. We encourage athletes and their families to patronize these companies, which help make NAIA athletic programs better.
SELECT SPORT AMERICA- Brillant Super NAIA is the Official Soccer Ball
TACHIKARA - Tachikara SV-5W is the Official Volleyball
RAWLINGS - Rawlings ST-5 is the Official Football
Rawlings also sponsors the Baseball Coach of the Year Award, Baseball Player of Year Award, Baseball Region Coach of the Year Award and Baseball Region Player of the Year Award. www.rawlings.com
WORTH - Worth NAIAFP is the Official Softball.
WILSON SPORTING GOODS - Official Tennis Ball


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Indian women offer prayers for a gang rape victim at Mahatma Gandhi memorial in New Delhi.
Her intestines were removed because the six men used a rusty metal rod during the "rape."
That fact—the rusty metal rod—is what's haunted me about the violent incident that has outraged India and the world. Six men held a 23-year-old woman and her male friend in a private bus for hours while they assaulted her so brutally that, after several surgeries to repair her insides, she died. What happened to this young woman was a gang assault. It can be called a sexual assault because among other things, they brutalized her vagina. Or it can be called a sexual assault because it was driven by rage at the female sex.
Since Susan Brownmiller first wrote Against Our Will—the landmark feminist reconceptualization of rape—feminists have worked on clarifying the fact that rape is less about sex than it is about rage and power. Too many people still conceive of rape as a man's overwhelming urge to enjoy the body of a woman who has provoked him by being attractive and within reach. As is true in many "traditional" cultures, much of India still imagines that the violation was one against her chastity, as Aswini Anburajan writes at Buzzfeed. But conceiving it as primarily a sexual violation places the burden on women to protect their bodies' purity. It means that the question that gets asked is this one: Why was she out so late at night, provoking men into rage by being openly female?
But seen from a woman's own point of view, rape is quite different: It's punishment for daring to exist as an independent being, for one's own purposes, not for others' use. Sexual assault is a form of brutalization based, quite simply, on the idea that women have no place in the world except the place that a man assigns them—and that men should be free to patrol women's lives, threatening them if they dare step into view. It is fully in keeping with bride-burnings, acid attacks, street harassment, and sex-selective abortions that delete women before they are born.
I've now read a number of commentaries exposing India's, particularly New Delhi's, culture of street violence against women. The most memorable, by Sonia Faleiro in The New York Times, talks about the fear that was instilled in her during her 24 years living in Delhi:
As a teenager, I learned to protect myself. I never stood alone if I could help it, and I walked quickly, crossing my arms over my chest, refusing to make eye contact or smile. I cleaved through crowds shoulder-first, and avoided leaving the house after dark except in a private car. …
Things didn't change when I became an adult. Pepper spray wasn't available, and my friends, all of them middle- or upper-middle-class like me, carried safety pins or other makeshift weapons to and from their universities and jobs. One carried a knife, and insisted I do the same. I refused; some days I was so full of anger I would have used it — or, worse, had it used on me.
The steady thrum of whistles, catcalls, hisses, sexual innuendos and open threats continued. Packs of men dawdled on the street ... To make their demands clear, they would thrust their pelvises at female passers-by.
Such endemic street harassment is not about sex; it's about threatening women for daring to leave the private sphere. It's a form of control over women's ambitions and lives. And when such a culture is widespread, it gives men permission to use women as the target for any excess anger they might have.
"Rape culture," as young feminists now call this, isn't limited to India. It lives anywhere that has a "traditional" vision of women's sexuality. A culture in which women are expected to remain virgins until marriage is a rape culture. In that vision, women's bodies are for use primarily for procreation or male pleasure. They must be kept pure. While cultural conservatives would disagree, this attitude gives men license to patrol—in some cases with violence—women's hopes for controlling their lives and bodies. In October, responding to Richard Mourdock's incredible comment about rape, I mentioned an absolutely essential piece by The Nation's Jessica Valenti in a way I want to reprise here, if you'll excuse the self-quotation:
As Tennessee Senator Douglas Henry said in 2008, "Rape, ladies and gentlemen, is not today what rape was. Rape, when I was learning these things, was the violation of a chaste woman, against her will, by some party not her spouse."
In other words, only virgins can be raped—sweetly white-gloved, white-skinned virgins. Any woman who ever wanted sex—yes, that includes married women who unconditionally give permission when they put on that ring—deserves what she gets. Valenti's piece is a brilliant and absolutely essential manifesto on what still has to change to get from "What about 'no' don't you understand?" to the more advanced concept that women have a right to enjoy and control our own bodies. In this "traditional" vision of sexuality, it's not rape if you've already had sex, ever—except if you're married and another man violates his property. Your only role is to protect your purity for its future owner. If you don't do, you're fair game.
A culture in which women must cover up or be threatened is a rape culture. You're thinking of hijab and burquas, right? Think also of the now well-known SlutWalks, which were launched after a Toronto police officer told young women that they could avoid rape by not dressing like "sluts." The protests, which have spread worldwide, make the point that no matter how we dress, women are at risk; and no matter how we dress, our bodies are our own.
Let me be clear that we have plenty of rape culture here in the United States. When I told my wife the prosecutor how shocked I was by the India case's rusty metal bar, her response disturbed me terribly: She laughed at my naïveté. She sees it all the time, she explained. She started telling me about one recent case in which a husband had shoved a broom up his wife so far it ripped out through her chest. I was so upset I stopped her before she could tell me more.
Or consider the recent rape in Steubenville, Ohio, allegedly by members of the football team, which was reported on in excellent detail by the Times—primarily because of the shocking way it was was celebrated via social media. Here's how Prospect contributor Amanda Marcotte summarized the case at Slate:
The alleged crime: Witnesses, some also on the football team, testified at a probable cause hearing that Mays and Richmond spent most of the night of Aug. 11 standing over, directing, transporting, and otherwise controlling the blacked-out drunk victim, who they carried to three separate parties. According to the New York Times, witnesses claim that Mays and Richmond tried to coerce the victim into oral sex, exposed her naked body as a joke to other partygoers, penetrated her digitally, and exposed themselves to her. Other Steubenville students on Twitter and YouTube say they witnessed even worse violations, including urinating on the victim and anal rape, though these are not official statements. (And sadly, these students were more delighted than upset by what they allegedly saw.) While it appears that multiple students taped and photographed the alleged assault, officials claim they haven't been able to turn up much in the way of evidence, because the evidence has been deleted.
Football players like these two can almost always find young women who will have sex with them willingly. Taking a drunk and helpless girl and urinating on her, humiliating her, fingering her publicly, violating several orifices—that's about rage and power, not sexual pleasure. That's sexual assault and enforcement of the rape culture's idea that a woman's job is to protect her purity.
At CNN Opinion, Lauren Wolfe writes that women are rising up against rape and rampant street harassment in places as disparate as Egypt and Somalia. I hope she's right—and that the horror in India spurs genuine change, complete with international coalitions, like those that came out of the Beijing women's conference and that work across borders. We do know that protests have spread beyond India to Nepal. Slutwalks have spread around the world, as my regular google alert tells me, with recent incarnations in such places as Hong Kong, Lubbock Texas, Mandurah, Australia, and Plymouth, Massachusetts.
I can only hope that the response to the attack in India includes outrage at congressional Republicans' astounding refusal to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), one of the most effective tools to help prevent such violence, which the Prospect's Jamelle Bouie has already told you about. In its past 18 years, it has funded tremendously useful projects ranging from a stalking help line to statistical research to law-enforcement training in responding to intimate-partner violence. According to the National Organization for Women's reading of Bureau of Justice statistics, in the first 15 years after VAWA was originally passed, intimate-partner violence homicides dropped by 53 percent, and female homicides dropped 43 percent. While of course that cannot all be attributed to VAWA—homicide deaths in general have fallen during that period, for a myriad of reasons—VAWA has been an important tool in training, educating, funding, and helping to enforce new norms. If this were called "domestic terrorism," far more of the nation's budget would be dedicated to end it. You'd think that their November loss at the ballot would've educated Republicans about the fact that women actually vote. But some people learn very, very slowly.
Here's the key point: It is not acceptable that more than 50 percent of the world's population live in fear of violence solely because they are female. I do hope that India will turn around the male rage seething through its streets—and that here, we see an uprising against Congress's appalling failure to reauthorize the bill that fights domestic terrorism—the terror that women feel at home.
Fri, 2013-01-04 18:59
This is a much needed perspective and is powerful. However, the piece loses a bit of strength and significance when Graff states, "Football players like these two can almost always find young women who will have sex with them willingly." This assertion is appalling. It would be just as appalling if Graff asserted that cheerleaders are almost always willing to have sex. Ironically, Graff's overall argument regarding culture which enables certain behaviors, is diminished by this statement. Why? Because, there are football players and cheerleaders who, just like Graff, find people who have such lust for power or who perpetrate such brutality and sexual assault as reprehensible as anyone should. I am not sure if Graff finds it necessary to identify football players as if football is somehow complicit in a quest for power and control over women. In the least, this statement is troubling given the overall message of the article.
Fri, 2013-01-04 19:46
I disagree with Kolis comment above. The statement "Football players like these two can almost always find young women who will have sex with them willingly." would be equally true if it was about players of any other popular sport. It is a fact, popular university age athletes and this includes football players have no problem finding young women to have consensual sex with and it is unlikely they raped the victim to satisfy their sexual desire.
To me even more troubling is the complicity of the bystanders. Of course they should all be convicted. Also, what does this situation say about the cultural level of people at this "university"? It is a huge failure of education and it should be recognized as such. If it was just few sick criminals acting in some hidden location it would be different, but there were many people there who could have stopped it with one phone call - instead they chose to participate in the assaults by recording them. The victim was taken to multiple parties during the course of the night. Everyone at fault should face severe consequences and this includes whoever is responsible for the level of education delivered by this institution.
Fri, 2013-01-04 21:35
It doesn't matter what sport you choose. Graff's general point regarding brutality over sexual pleasure is not overshadowed.
The assumption that football delivers sex is inevitably a contributor to the culture Gaff wants to bring attention to. Thus, if I am a football player then by virtue of that fact, I should expect sex?
Sat, 2013-01-05 09:30
Kolis - you're being deliberately obtuse over an issue that is abundantly clear and incredibly important. Why people feel the need to respond to serious human rights abuses like this by posting grandiloquent nonsense is beyond me. But here goes, if you still can't fathom the point of the article. Certain social statuses afford ready access to adulation, and yes, sexual attention and opportunity. There is nothing particularly special about football in this regard. Being a celebrity - movie star, rock star, or prominent athlete of any popular sport - operates pretty similarly this regard. The article raises an absolutely vital point in this regard. For men who are generally perceived as highly desirable, and who generally have ample opportunities for consensual sex, why the fixation on orchestrating and executing such a violent and humiliating rape? It's a very clear demonstration that this is not about, and has never been about, "sex." It is about power, degradation, violation. Therein lies the raison detre for rape. It's a simple point. But I suppose it's more important to you to stage some bizarre sense of indignation at holy "football" having been somehow slighted... or in making some pointless abstruse argument to show everyone how smart you are.
Sat, 2013-01-05 14:48
I couldn't have said it better. Well summated. I always wonder why some people choose to nitpick and rant full out on the least significant part/detail of an article or account and choose to be outraged at that in preference to having any true concern for the main issue at hand.
Tue, 2013-01-08 18:22
I know right, the author was just totally exposing his resentment and cultural bigotry, why nitpick. I am sure it has nothing to do with the overall agenda he is pushing or anything. All that football players do is have sex (ususally some form of rape). None of them are shy or socially awkward themselves and I am sure absolutely none of them try to lead virtuous lives and abstain from sex. They are all basically just date raping sociopaths to a much higher degree than the genreal population.
Fri, 2013-01-04 20:17
Perhaps you have missed the point about football players and sex. Most football players are deemed to be popular and desirable in our culture, from high school and beyond. The young males implicated in Ohio were not looking for a sexual partner that night. They seized an opportunity to dominate, humiliate and brutalize a young girl who was utterly defenseless. The key point of the writer is that rape and other forms of sexual abuse are not about satisfying normal sexual desires--rather, they are all about the venal, destructive exercise of power and the dehumanization of girls and women. By focusing on what you perceive to be an unjust attack on the character of football players, you place the psychology of rape, for both victims and perpetrators, on the sidelines.
Fri, 2013-01-04 21:25
I didn't miss the point at all. Football doesn't automatically deliver sex. To assert this only perpetuates a stereotype that is generally not applicable. These individuals who are highlighted in the article, amongst other things, were football players. Had they not been football players, then what would Gaff point to a a path for pleasurable sex as opposed to satisfying a lust for power and control?
Fri, 2013-01-04 21:38
Fri, 2014-02-07 14:30
Kolis the point he is making is not that football=sex
Is it not quite possible for anyone (sporty or not) to fairly easily find someone that is willing to have sex? If you honestly cannot find someone willing to have sex with you then for damn sure you can pay someone.
The point is rapists are not desperate and lacking sexual activity, those that are can't say that is the driving force behind their crime, but rather the power they feel and the control they gain when taking sex rather than being offered.
If these rapists weren't football players that argument is still valid.
Fri, 2013-01-04 23:11
In an ideal world, Kolis, no one would ever assume that they had a right to expect sex from anyone else. But in our current reality, certain subsets of both men and women make assumptions about their own general desirability, e.g., fashion models, movie stars and accomplished athletes. They are not wrong--experience proves that they are, indeed, desired by plenty of people. This is not the point and never was the point. Football is not the point. Perceptions of what football players are like as human beings is also not the point. The discussion here is meant to be about rape and about the forces in societies all over the globe which prevent over half the people in the world from feeling safe when they walk down the street or ride a bus. If your overriding concern is burnishing the image of football players, try commenting on a sports website.
Sat, 2013-01-05 01:21
Gaff wrote about football so why not admonish Gaff to write for a sports web site in this case? Stay up hembreesusan, you have no reason to be dismissive.
Your argument... "The discussion here is meant to be about rape and about the forces in societies all over the globe which prevent over half the people in the world from feeling safe when they walk down the street or ride a bus." ...and the perpetuation of such stereotypes have no relation. If you saw a group or football players walking down the same side of the street as you, given you buy into the stereo type, you would have no trepidation?
It doesn't just work for athletes. Rock stars, especially guitar players are expected to act like rock stars and I imagine an expectation of sex is a component of that. So when and individual guitar player decides that his expected sexual suitor is not properly playing the (expected) role and assaults this individual, did the cultural expectation of sexual performance play no part in enabling this incident?
This is not that hard to see. I am imagining young athletes buying into this stereotype because they desire sexual relations and then taking it too far only based upon the common expectation. This fosters a power trip which is exactly the kind of culture Gaff is pointing out.
I don't disagree with the sentiment of the article but this statement counters the intent.
Sat, 2013-01-05 03:52
First of all, the author's last name is Graff and the piece is quite a long one. Obsessing over the fact that football players are briefly mentioned, for factual reasons while discussing the Steubenville, Ohio incident, misses a whole truckload of points made by Graff which are of far more importance.
I have not made a single negative or disparaging remark about football players, so your contention that I have bought into a stereotype concerning them is fallacious. My late brother was a football player, I lived happily among football players in my college dorm and was a member of a school girl squad who cheered for the Rams many years ago when they were based in Los Angeles. A pack of them approaching me on the sidewalk would not reduce me to fear and trembling.
The piece written by E.J. Graff is about the dangers inherent in the "purity" movement under way in fundamentalist Christian circles, the ideologies in other cultures concerning female "purity" and the ways in which these ideologies intertwine with attitudes that rationalize and justify rape--at least in the minds of some men, whether they play sports or not.
In your most recent comments, you move dangerously close to rationalizing rape as a logical consequence of male entitlement carried too far. I doubt that this is your intention, and I ask that you carefully review your thinking on this. You don't appear to be a rape apologist but you're now making excuses for some of the rapists, some of the time. Maybe it would help if you could divorce the issue of sex from what is, admittedly, a very complex subject. That might sound crazy, but it really isn't, because rape is not about sharing a sexual experience with someone else, or satisfying a healthy human desire. It's about satisfying the urge to dominate and humiliate and control and damage someone. And that, tragically, works every time.
I have believed for a long time that the only single effective rape deterrent would be for decent men to stand up to the indecent ones and tell them, "NO. You will not get away with this. These are our sisters, mothers, wives, girlfriends, neighbors and co-workers and we, the good men of the world, will not stand by while you treat them like trash." In my fantasy about the good men, some of them would turn out to be football players.
I am done with this now.
Sat, 2013-01-05 01:36
Excellent article. I had a weird internal reaction to that sentence as well. However, I can't completely grasp what I found so unsettling about it. I think I agree with the sentiment though - rape isn't about, or 'just' about sex, it's about power, control, dehumanization, cultural expectations and roles, etc. and that sentence's purpose was to portray this idea. I just don't think it worked. Overall, a great piece.
Sat, 2013-01-05 04:39
I think the discomfort regarding the author's sentence about the football players, "Football players like these two can almost always find young women who will have sex with them willingly" is that the sentence itself is an example of the stereotypes that drive or underlie this power and rape culture in society. The expression of the sentence is itself a stereotype, the stereotype that football players (aside from other men?) can find women who want to have sex with them. Such a stereotype only helps to reinforce the power rape culture the author speaks of. Let me break it down a little more sequentially. The idea that the football player can almost always find women who want to have sex with him is just the other side of the coin, i.e. that women want to have sex with the football player. The promotion/acceptance of the stereotype promotes the belief among some football players that women want to have sex with them. Coincidentally, for the young man who has bought into this, it may not even enter his mind that a woman might not want to have sex with him, even if she is saying no. This level applies more to the date rape type of scenario than the heinous actions in the article. But the next progression from that is an entitlement to sex from any woman - because that is the belief, the expectation, and yes the power of the position. Coming back to the beginning, a stereotypical statement that a football player can almost always find a woman who wants to have sex with him is in itself reinforcement of the stereotype, and a stereotype that feeds into the rape culture in American society at least.
Of course, such things are not limited to football players and perhaps it would have been better had the author relayed the sentiment without referring to football players at all. I mean honestly, in today's oversexualized society what makes the football player special? I'm sure almost any college age guy can find women who are willing to have sex with him for free. The decision to take it and to humiliate and dehumanize is simply deranged. The fact that the guys were football players is irrelevant on every angle and including that tidbit like it mattered detracted from the point of the article. The inclusion of such adjectives - football player, athlete, fraternity member, etc. invites a comment about that group, thus detracting from the larger picture of the pervasiveness of rape and power and respect for autonomy and consent versus entitlement and abhorrent behavior.
Sat, 2013-01-05 04:57
Sorry for the misspelling Graff.
Rape is rape no matter how the perpetrator gets their.
I played football and my mother was a cheerleader. Neither one of us would teach my son, who also plays football, to expect sex by virtue of his station. That is not the football culture we celebrate.
I guess if you'd like to perpetuate that way of thinking so be it. I imagine the six that violently raped the women in India could have paid a prostitute, maybe even a submissive? Would that have been a reasonable alternative to put forth as an illustration lust for power and control over sexual pleasure?
I never said that "you" buy into the stereotype. I said, IF you buy into it. I am pointing out that the culture of male entitlement IS a culture which we don't want to perpetuate because it can lead to rape, which again is NOT what we want, no matter what cultural path gets you there.
Sat, 2013-01-05 15:05
The author is not perpetuating a way of thinking, she's acknowledging a reality. Expecting sex by virtue of your station is not the author's point - she didn't say that as football players, they are entitled to sex if they want it, she said that if a football player wants sex, he doesn't usually have a hard time getting it.
Replace football player with "a well-built, traditionally handsome man." Do you get it now? It's a simple truth that you really can't deny. The point is, these were socially privileged football players, not ostracized "geeks". Your line of argument is false because it denies the basic truth that many people, especially many teenagers, choose their sexual partners based on surface qualities such as social capital and physical prowess.
Sat, 2013-01-05 15:51
I am not commenting on Kolis' s assertion that the claim that football players have access to consensual sex reduces the force of the argument. I am instead raising the question as to whether the assertion "a purity culture is a rape culture" is not an oversimplification, or perhaps should be appropriately nuanced.
I suggest a more accurate / helpful version of this would be something like this: "a culture in which women only (and not men) are expected to remain chaste until marriage is a rape culture".
My gut feeling is that it is precisely this
- differential
treatment of men and women in respect to a purity that is the problem. I see no reason to presume that purity per se is the issue - I suggest its is possible to imagine a world in which purity until marriage is embraced for
- both
genders, without fostering a culture of rape.
I can imagine some counterarguments that might be put forth, but I will let others present them, if they wish.
Sat, 2013-01-05 15:59
Sat, 2013-01-05 18:21
Having grown up in the deep south, in a baptist purity-culture: yes it is rape culture. I watched as my older sister was repeatedly raped by the man she was married off to, because the bible told him it was his right to take her when he wanted. I heard as she was raped by a stranger for being out at night without her husband. Your idea of a purity culture applying to both (wrong by the way) genders can NEVER work when men control what women do and think.
Mon, 2013-01-07 13:09
Mon, 2013-01-07 13:10
Mon, 2013-01-07 13:13
Mon, 2013-01-07 16:39
Because in ANY culture that expected chastity until marriage, rape would be used to punish those that others view violate that tenet. Right now it is almost entirely women who get raped by purity culture because it is women who are expected to remain chaste. Have more purity just means more people getting raped and murdered.
Tue, 2013-01-08 11:21
You are merely asserting something, there is no supporting argument. How do you know, and please be as precise as you can, that an embrace of a purity culture, especially one where men and women are both expected to remain pure, would lead to increased rape. You are speculating when you merely assert that it would. Perhaps you are right, but we need a credible argument. Consider this: imagine a culture where people agree to not eat meat. Would you argue that this would lead to the use of rape as a means to punish those who violate this proscription? If rape is really about power and not sex (and I agree that it is about power) one could, using your line of thinking, argue that rape would be used to punish those who violate societal norms. Should we therefore not have societal norms?
Sat, 2013-01-05 20:03
Graff puts forth the IDEA that "Purity Culture is rape culture". I get that.
Did Graff mean to say that all men who believe in or practice the tenants of such cultures are rapists? No. Not in the least.
However, Graff's suggestion is that such a Cultural environment fosters a sense of entitlement, power, or control.
Does Graff intend to demonstrate that rape motives are driven by a lust for power and control over the pursuit of sexual pleasure? OBVIOUSLY this is Graff's intent.
If we are all on the same page so far, then please continue reading. Otherwise you might unfortunately get stuck somewhere.
Seems ridiculous to have to say I agree with the premise of Graff's article AGAIN but O.K.
For some reason, I can't challenge Graff by suggesting that a culture where football players are expected to find willing sex partners, because they are football players, is also Culture prone to fostering male entitlement, power, or control.
Thus, I can't challenge the use of the statement;
"Football players like these two can almost always find young women who will have sex with them willingly."
to demonstrate that power and control were the motives for rape as opposed to sexual pleasure, by pointing out that it runs counter to Graff's overall argument regarding Culture?
This is my opinion for sure but don't allow a defensive posture, your idea of football, or your assumption of my intelligence fool you into thinking that I don't understand or agree with Graff's overall message.
Mon, 2013-01-07 15:50
the article was well written. it pointed out the problem with women being kept virginal for the sole use and exploitation of the men who eventually marry them.
i do find it quite interesting the people commenting on this article seem to be mostly men. wonder how many of them have any clue what it is like to be raped, abused, controlled and manipulated in such a manner? probably not a one of them. that's why the reference to "football" players and what their status as a football player entails them caught their attention.
Tue, 2013-01-08 14:58
While I believe that male dominated culture where women are viewed as property fosters a rape culture (being that rape is about power and control), I don't think it's a purity culture that fosters it IF, as David Andrew pointed out, both men and women are expected to remain pure/chaste/virgins until marriage. If only women are expected to wait, then yes, rape culture can and often does foster.
I too am from the South, the buckle of the Bible belt as we say here in Texas. I am so sorry that Radiant Sophia's experience with the purity culture involved a husband raping a wife. That is not part of the purity movement- not in any way, shape or form. Rape is not a weapon nor is it a right.
I think the culture that fosters rape is the one that includes punishment for the non-virginal or who uses sex as a weapon. The Bible teaches that sex is a beautiful and wonderful gift to be shared between husband and wife. The husband is to wait for the wife, and the wife for the husband. The Bible also teaches about forgiveness and fresh starts by God's grace. Now, there are those who distort this message, and who think themselves the enforcers of God's rules, but they're not. I think the Biblical purity movement gets a bad rap and thrown in with those who want to use sex to control or punish. This is no different than judging all Christians by Westboro.
Tue, 2013-01-08 16:30
Here's the problem: If someone is going to claim that all kinds of purity cultures - including those where both men and women are expected to be pure - such a person would presumably need to explain why there would be such a connection. It appears that we all agree that rape is not about sexual gratification, it is about power. Therefore, the person making the claim that all purity cultures foster rape presumably cannot appeal to "sexual frustration" as the motive for rape in such a culture.
So what is the mechanism? What is it, other than sexual frustration, that would explain a causal link between purity and rape in a culture where both men and women are expected to adhere to the same standard. I can think of none. If, as some appear to be arguing, rape is used to punish people for violating a standard, that argument leads to the idea that people would rape to punish people for violating all sorts of other standards having nothing to do with sexual purity. Does that make sense?
Tue, 2013-01-08 18:46
Rape is torture. It is not symoblic. It is not a cultural means of controlling womens behavior. It has nothing to do with the sex impulse other than the obvious bodily function. The psychotic personality tortures in order to satisy twisted desires. The psychopathic personality tortures to maintain control over its victim. It has been the same story throughout all of human history and the only way that it can be overcome is the way our lord and savior jesus christ did it.
Tue, 2013-01-08 19:57
some people seem to have trouble facing facts. Certain men and women in any society find it easier to get willing sexual partners than do others. Footballers are among the chosen group in US society. Does anyone seriously deny either of these statements?
Some commenters appear to be claiming that there exists somewhere a 'purity culture' in which both men and women are equally expected to remain 'pure' (an absurd word for those who avoid sexual activity in my opinion, but the one being used here). This I do not believe.
Wed, 2013-01-09 11:00
I believe you are not reading carefully enough, as I am quite certain you are referring to me. I never stated, suggested, or implied that there exists a purity culture in which both men and women are expected to remain pure. I was simply using it as a thought-experiment to show the limitations of what I think is an over-simplification - the bald, unqualified assertion that purity culture is rape culture. I could not agree more with the notion that a culture in which women alone are expected to remain pure likely fosters rape. But there are reasons to suspect this is not the case with all imaginable purity cultures.
I would agree that, in point of fact, there probably does not exist a culture in which the expectation of purity is applied to both men and women equally.
Thu, 2013-01-10 21:16
Andrew David Herbst: I have been reading the comments to this powerful article, including all of yours. I understand the point you are making, but wonder why you consider it important to make at all.
What exactly is "purity," and why is it desirable? If it means, as I suspect it does, "zero sexual experience with another person, until after a religious marriage ceremony, and then only with the sanctioned spouse," I cannot see for the life of me what good it does, or why anyone would value it unless they were invested in the values of a highly patriarchal, intrinsically unequal religion such as fundamentalist Christianity or Islam, or ultra-Orthodox Judaism.
I am unimpressed by the often-offered, and quite disingenuous, argument that "sex is SO magical, you should only share it with someone you have already officially promised to spend your whole life with, but have also never laid a hand on until after the ceremony."
Why? Sex can be magical, or it can be just a part of life. So can many other experiences. Why single sex out, unless it's about how sex affects people of different status in life? Like men and women? And obviously, freedom from the judgment involve in the concept of "purity" completely changes the lives of women. . . and has always been taken for granted by men.
The world is full of joyful, transcendent experiences - just for one example, I will never forget the first time I heard the Brahms B-Flat Piano Concerto performed live, almost 35 years ago; I will never forget the people I shared it with. Similarly, I will never forget the first time I slept with a man, closer to 40 years ago - that was also a joyful experience, although not quite so transcendent, since it involved lots of giggling, some fumbling with condoms, messy sheets and a mighty embarrassing encounter with a cranky roommate the next morning. . . ah, memories!
Now, Mr. Herbst, I ask you: would you consider my first-ever live experience of Brahms to be a loss of my "purity," because I shared it with someone I didn't marry? I didn't think so. However, I bet you would consider my first-ever experience of lovemaking, when I was a 19-year-old college girl, with a fellow student my age, but of a different race (guess which I was and which he was, for extra credit) ruined my "purity" for F&cking-Ever. To be egalitarian, I'm sure you'd say my long-ago first lover also lost his "purity," but again, I ask: why is "purity" supposed to matter?
Fri, 2013-01-18 12:43
I have no particular opinion on the actual wisdom of a "purity culture" that is applied to both men and women. I was simply pointing out what I considered to be an unsubstantiated implication - that it is purity per se that fosters a rape culture. I believe that case was not really made. I have a certain degree of interest in the basic structure and quality of arguments, and I therefore will comment on what I consider to be "weak" arguments even if I do not necessarily have a well-defined position on the matter at issue. You ascribe certain beliefs to me - without evidence of course. Fine - its a free country, you can do what you like. But that's not really , in my view anyway, relevant to what I was trying to say. However, I really do appreciate the fact that you read my argument and could at least "get" my point.
Even though I believe I have been crystal clear that my posts in no minimize the seriousness of rape, some posters cannot accept this (I am not suggesting you are one of them). I probably won't post any more on this, as I have made my point about the problem with the initial claim. If someone wants to challenge me on that very particular point, fine.
Again, my "motive" is basically the promotion of solid argument, not a particular position on the matter of purity.
Wed, 2013-01-09 03:54
I joined this fray on the comment thread a few days ago. I abandoned it when faced with the inability of some commenters to face facts, think clearly, express themselves in clear, well-constructed sentences or even keep track of their own assertions.
I am back to say that I am disgusted and appalled by the refusal of the newer commenters (blubrd, you are excepted) to grapple with the actual, real-world problem of RAPE. Once again, boys, it ain't football, it ain't your particular brand of Christianity, it ain't some ridiculous fantasy of purity for both genders which will never be seen by any of us even if we live forever.
Could you please, I beg you, stay with what is actually happening. I know men hate to talk about rape. If you cannot bring yourselves to address the reality of it, if your egos and male entitlement somehow command you to post nonsense which is, at best, parenthetical to the critical topic of RAPE, then do the women of the world a huge favor and shut the fuck up. You are not helping., You are not enlightening anyone.
Man up before you speak on this topic again. Let's hear from some honest, real men who genuinely care about women and want to do something real and constructive.
You are idiots. Be quiet.
Wed, 2013-01-09 11:13
You are descending into the kind of character-assassination rhetoric that I came to this site hoping to avoid. Please address the actual arguments that are made. I cannot speak for others but I have, of course, never posted anything that a careful reader could take as an attempt to avoid the actual issue of real world rape. There are important ideas at play here, and for someone like me to challenge the implication that "purity culture leads to rape" as being an oversimplification, is entirely legitimate. Just because I challenge a point by appealing to a thought-experiment is hardly evidence that I do not appreciate the gravity of the fact of rape in the real world.
You should know that I will not respond to more posts that have this dismissive, abusive tone. No hard feelings.
Thu, 2013-01-10 10:41
Forget the football part. You're saying that if I choose to be part of a community that does not have sex outside of marriage that I ought to expect to be harassed and raped? Bull shit. That's as bad as saying if I'm sexually active I can't expect to say "no." Try walking around Temple Square in Salt Lake City, where the Mormons are. I can guarantee you that no [Mormon] man is going to cat call or thrust his pelvis at you. This isn't about "chastity." And there are plenty of good Muslim men in the world who would also never dream of acting that way, either. This isn't about religion. Don't appropriate victims' stories in order to not-so-subtly bash religion. It's insulting to men AND women of faith.
Sat, 2013-01-12 04:19
It is very careless for the writer to say purity culture is rape culture. You can not blame religion for what a man decides to do with or how man chooses to interpret what he reads in the Bible or Quran. Blaming religion for the perverse and debased nature of man is absolutely ridiculous.
Fri, 2013-01-18 12:49
I suggest that your argument here is open to the counter that the very content of these religions themselves as, for example, embodied in their sacred writings, fosters an unhealthy environment that contributes to rape. In other words, someone could challenge you by raising the possibility that it is not that the followers of religion X have perverted the "true" teachings of that religion, but rather that the content of the religious doctrine itself promotes these unhealthy behaviours. I am taking neither position, but simply pointing out a possibility.
Tue, 2014-07-22 14:40
I disagree, theretiredgoblin. Men abusing women due to purity religion stems from what their religion tells men what to do to women. Why don't we read about men getting abused, like women do? Why is it that the more religious a family or society is, the worse life is for women? This isn't just Christianity. Look at ANY religious culture, and you see women treated horribly. The world still has a really hard time with female sexuality. Just being a woman means I have to be careful, my clothing and dating history is taken into account, if I were to be raped, I would be on trial and questioned why I was there, and if I had been drinking, that would count against me. That is never the case with men. We pretend that Sharia law is far from what we have, and in important ways, it is. But in many important ways the thinking is the same. It depresses me that so many men (and quite a few women) don't see this.
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The Packers reported for training camp this week and I get the feeling that many a Brewers fan is going back to their ways of the pre-Attanasio/Melvin era and that is to say checking out on the their ballclub well before their final game, October 3rd against the Padres, now that they've fallen out of playoff contention. As a Cubs fan, and someone who's only had a playoff push to entertain me once every 5-7 years of my entire life, let me help you out and give you a few things to hold your interest, at least until the NFL regular season is in full swing.
The Drama
Between now and July 31st, the most entertaining thing about the Brewers may not be on the field, but rather what Doug Melvin does before the trade deadline. He has a lot of pieces that could draw interest with contending teams and I'm curious to see if he'll rebuild or re-load. We all know the list of usual suspects that are on the block due to expiring contracts, starting of course with Zack Greinke. What may tell whether Melvin is planning a quick turnaround back to contention or a long-term rebuild is what he does with Aramis Ramirez and Corey Hart, who have reportedly drawn some interest. If either (or both) of those guys is moved, it may be a while before this Brewers team plans on contending.
Be a baseball fan
Even though the games don't mean much, I still enjoy breaking the game down and analyszing a manager's moves, etc. Also, I just appreciate great baseball talent, which you have in left-field on a day-in day-out basis. Not to mention the talent that will come into Miller Park or on your television screen. The Nats with youg phenom Bryce Harper blossoming before our eyes are at Miller Park as I write this. The Reds will Bring Joey Votto, Jay Bruce, and Aroldis Chapman to town. and we'll see the Pirates a few more time with Andrew McCutcheon in the midst of a break-out (potentially MVP) season. Obviously, you don't want to see these guys beat your team, but that doesn't mean that as soon as you sit down when you'e done booing, you can't say to yourself or the person seated next to you, "Did you see that!?!". I've always said I can look at somebody in my rival's unifrom and say "Damn that guy is good!. Why does he have to be on that team!?!" (i.e Brett Favre)
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I have never and will never be apologetic for enjoying a day at Wrigley Field. Go ahead call it the biggest beer garden in the world. Since when is Baseball supposed to be miserable or boring? Yes, I'm there for the baseball, but it also helps when a ballpark is pleasant and a fun place to be on a summer day. And you have that right here in Milwaukee, in Miller Park. Appreciate it, enjoy it, and then take a shuttle to one of the local establishments and enjoy your night as well. If baseball being fun is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
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BONIFAY — After more than a year after applying the Holmes County Board of County Commissioners' application for a $29,000 grant-funded generator for the Holmes County Court House was accepted and Board approved to pay the matching funds of $5,368.75 during their Sept. 24 meeting.
During the Board's April 24, 2012 meeting Commissioner Kenneth Williams informed the Board that that they had applied for a grant towards a generator for the Court House.
"It's a big enough generator to provide for the entire Court House no problem," said Williams. "The match is between $2,000 and $4,000 for a $29,000 generator with the possibility for an In-Kind match for labor. We needed to apply for the grant that day, so it seemed like a no-brainer."
The Board agreed with Williams.
"We'll still have to do some work to do to accept the grant," said Chair Monty Merchant. "Speaking of generators, we have multiple generators throughout the county and we've even had one go down not too long ago. We should appoint someone to check on those generators on a regular basis and report any abnormalities if there should be any found."
Board agreed to allow Shop Director Roger Williams perform this task.
Board approved of Jerry Dixon as the newest member of the Holmes County Development Commission Board and agreed for all board members to bring names of potential candidate for the two open members-at-large positions still open.
County Attorney Jeff Goodman explained to the Board that the Holmes County Clerk of Court would be assuming financial responsibility for the Probation Services, which would take the Board out of the process.
"There are a lot of requirements but most of them don't apply because this is a public service and the requirements are applied towards private," said Goodman. "Clerk of Court Kyle Hudson doesn't need the money from the Board to get it started. So the Clerk of Court has it handled and the Board needs to take no action."
County Engineer Whitney Nelson from Melvin Engineering explained that there was "a deep need" to repair McCarnley Road and explained that since there is someone who is already mobilized for road work that the cost of patching would cost $4,800, which would exclude mobilization fees.
Board approved of patching McCarnley Road for $4,800 and gave a time frame of within 30 days for the work to get started.
"We don't know when we'll be able to get a deal like this again," said Williams. "Mobilization fees alone could kill you in costs."
Forest Area Supervisor Donnie Sellers for Florida Forestry Services gave his yearly report to the Board.
"We've had fewer fires due to rain and a Fire Readiness at a level 1, which means very unlikely for fires," said Sellers. "We're still battling cogongrass. Round-up really works but it needs at least two applications."
Commissioner Bobby Sasnett explained the reason why his new grader had so little hours, which was brought into question by Williams at the special session held on Sept. 16.
Williams came to the special called meeting with new information based on recent findings.
"All graders are equipped with a GPS that helps us know exactly where it's at, how long it runs and how long it's idle at any given point 24 hours a day, seven days a week," said Williams. "First I'd like to point out that the hours indicated on the GPS matches up with the hours logged by our operators, which is really good, however I'd like to point out the activity of District 1's working grader."
Williams presented the website of logged time through the GPS to show the commissioners.
"It operated for nine hours on Aug. 6, seven hours on three days and six hours or less the rest of the month," said Williams. "What gets me is that on the day that I voted with you that you were in a state of emergency the one grader that worked was only operated for two hours that day. I'm just saying that if you are indeed in an emergency situation that you'd think that you'd be running the one grader that worked."
Sasnett said that it rained for 28 consecutive days and that his grader operator had heart issues and had three doctor's appointments.
"We also 12 springs to fix, two of which had to be fixed twice and materials are a two and a half hour trip for each load," said Sasnett. "All the time took to get materials the grader has to wait, just sitting there. All the logged hours are accounted for."
He said that from the time he started in office he let the other commissioners know that both of his districts graders were "shot."
"Bill's so upset he said he just might quit," said Sasnett. "I want to wait until the workshop because I think I got something that might work."
Merchant agreed that there was no doubt that Sasnett was in need of a grader.
"We need to work together as a board," said Sasnett. "Other districts have more man-power than me. I think I'm capable of running my own district."
Merchant agreed to help in any way possible and Williams agreed to lend him a grader and grader operator for the weekends until the special called meeting where Sasnett has assured the Board that he has an idea for fixing his dilemma.
Board approved of extending their annual agreement with the Medical Examiner.
Board also approved of the Holmes County Correctional Institution of using the Holmes County Fair Grounds for their regular training sessions on Nov. 14.
Board approved of using the Florida League of Cities for their Actuary Services at $6,000, which is good for 3-years according to Goodman.
Board approved of union negotiations contracts to offer the choice of two different health insurance options, to pay $586.66 toward each employee's health insurance and for a cost of living pay increase for non-union employees of $250 for full time employees and $125 for part time employees with the requirement that they've been employed for at least six months and to exclude all state funded employees.
Goodman gave an update on the progress of potentially hiring a County Coordinator/Public Works Director.
"The Board has been given copies of all the applications," said Goodman. "We are now in the process of developing a committee to review these applicants. We should have a list of potential committee members by the special session."
The special session is scheduled for 6 p.m. on Sept. 30. The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Board of County Commissioners is set for 9 a.m. on Oct. 8.


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Following college, however, Cantilena went to work as a psychiatric technician."Working around doctors," he shares, "I got the bug again. I decided that I really did want to go to medical school."He returned to undergraduate work part time in order to complete the basic science requirements, and then attended Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine on a Navy scholarship. He graduated in 1988, and began an internship in Surgery at the Naval Medical Center in Portsmouth, Virginia.
It was at this point that family considerations began weighing heavily on his mind. His oldest daughter had been born during his third year of medical school; and his second, during the internship. "I realized if I did a surgical residency, I was never going to see these kids," shares Dr. Cantilena. Fate interceded, as at that time, the Navy happened to be short on anesthesiologists, and he was offered a residency position in that specialty."When I realized that as an anesthesiologist, I would be spending almost 100 percent of my time in the OR [operating room], and not have to maintain an office practice as well, that settled it for me,"Dr. Cantilena confides.
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He is especially proud to be part of the Eisenhower staff."We have a great group of surgeons and the nursing staff is firstrate," shares Dr. Cantilena.
Dr. Cantilena's wife Carol enjoys being a docent at The Living Desert. They will celebrate their 25thwedding anniversary in July with a trip to Italy. Daughter Samantha was just accepted to law school, and daughter Kimberly is studying to be a nutritionist/personal trainer. A Master SCUBA Diver, Dr. Cantilena is also an avid photographer and loves astronomy.
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OHenry mutation. Orig. 1987, Hideo P. Yamashiro, Parlier, CA, and Burchell Nursery, Modesto, CA. Not tested. Similar to OHenry but earlier. Major variety in California. Attractive; extensive bright red blush with good quality and high yield. Flesh: yellow; Gland: reniform; Bloom: showy; Shape: round; Firmness: high; Ripens: +5. Patented (PP#5865) California variety. Oblate with some red in the flesh. Very firm. Ripens the 1st week of August with Fay Elberta. Firm and red. May have problems sizing in the Southeast. Highly susceptible to bacterial spot. The present invention relates to a new and distinct variety of peach tree to be known as the "Summer Lady", and more particularly to such a peach tree which is broadly characterized by its similarity to the O'Henry variety of peach tree (U.S. Plant Pat. No. 2,964). The new variety is a single scaffold mutation of the O'Henry peach tree from which it is distinguished and characterized as to novelty by bearing fruit which ripens approximately one week to ten days earlier, which is more nearly globose than that of the O'Henry and which displays less green fruit ground color and a more uniform and brighter overall red skin coloration than the O'Henry at maturity. ORIGIN The mutated scaffold was discovered by Hideo P. Yamashiro while propping limbs before harvest of O'Henry peach trees. The new mutation was first observed in July of 1982 in a commercial orchard of O'Henry peach trees located at 17281 East Adams Avenue, Parlier, in Fresno County, Calif. The above orchard of O'Henry peach trees is currently eight years of age and is owned and was owned at the time of the discovery by Hideo P. Yamashiro.
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In the States Belkin has announced the launch of the new Belkin Bluetooth Music Receiver that lets users wirelessly listen to the music from their iPhone or iPod touch on their home stereo system.
"It frees you up from being tied down to docks and wires", says Belkin "and puts total control of your device in your hand so you can change tracks without ever getting up from your couch".
The receiver connects to the home stereo system with the included cables, and then can be paired to a device to listen and control your music from up to 33 feet away.
The Bluetooth Music Receiver can remember up to six paired devices and although angled as an iPhone accessory, it's Bluetooth 2.0 tech means it's compatible with all devices enabled with A2DP stereo Bluetooth.
Available now in the States for $50, it's due to Canada, Europe, Asia, and Australia in March 2010.


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After an open competition for the new chemistry of the Justus-Liebig-University Giessen with the result of two first prizes, Gerber architects achieved acceptance of their design in a subsequent revision.
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The design for Justus Liebig University in Gießen included a new lecture hall building and a new building for the chemical department. Both structures provide the urban framework for a new public square, the so-called Piazza South, at the southern end of the main circulation axis of the campus. The chemical department with a clear east-west orientation continues the structure of the existing buildings, whilst the lecture hall complex forms the structural termination of the campus axis with a north-south orientation.


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I find that response kind of disrespectful seeing as you have no idea what Seahorse could of done for you with his frontend skills meaning you would of only needed a backend developer. But good luck with your venture and i do hope you lean some manners one day.
not a simple template for the site. As per my first note. Thank you though.
Other offers welcomed.
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Actually creating the back-end and front-end takes two different mindsets to get the best overall affect (which is why most development houses have a development team and a UI team)
Xoligy - I certainly wansn't meaning to be disrespectful. As I am creating the site from sratch the back end is my immediate priority - so leading with back end development is my key concern at present. If you think this approach is incorrect it would be great to hear your views.
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I find that response kind of disrespectful seeing as you have no idea what Seahorse could of done for you with his frontend skills meaning you would of only needed a backend developer. But good luck with your venture and i do hope you lean some manners one day.
A lot of people told me exactly the same as you said: "First the back end then the front end", but that's not going to get the average startup company a lot of succes, even the biggest companies start with designs before they make the actual back end, why you might wonder?
Simple answer, the design and layout of a website or software is what the consumer sees and experiences not the back end code, it's not like a consumer notices a lot of speed differences, but they do notice if a feature is designed badly and unhandy.
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Sorry uplift but you are wrong, calling someone's work simple is disrespectful you defiantly wouldn't like it if i said your designs were simple.
Also you need to update your signature, you have a broken link and image and as someone that's advertising to be a web designer it really does not look very professional does it?
Anyway reply to this if you want but im out of this thread because personally i dont agree with magraw and i think your just fishing for business.
Posted 05 October 2012 - 14:10
Yes it's simple you're right, still a lot of work dependent on what for site it is but yeah it's way less work then then whole back end.
A template is 'simple' compared to what this guy wants?
A signature being up to date or not does not question how professional someone is.
If i wanted his business i would outright offer my services, but i'm absolutely jam packed with work and i'm not in the area he's looking for.


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Franklin declines UFC fight against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira to focus on juice business
"Ace" has reportedly turned down a light heavyweight fight against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, according to Ariel Helwani, which would have been a part of the UFC Fight Night 40 event inside US Bank Arena on May 10, 2014, in Franklin's backyard of Cincinnati, Ohio.
The event is now headlined by Matt Brown vs. Erick Silva (more on that here).
Franklin (29-7) was originally set to do battle against "Lil' Nog" at the UFC 133 event in late 2011; however, Nogueira injured himself in training (shocking, I know) and was forced to withdraw. The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 2 coach moved on to squeak past Wanderlei Silva in their UFC 147 rematch the following February.
Then came a stone-cold knockout against Cung Le overseas and "Ace" has remained in place.
While he's expected to compete one final time before hanging up the gloves for good (his words), he's been pre-occupied with his new business venture, Ze/Lin organic juice bar, which recently opened in Los Angeles, California (reviews).