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They no longer carry gluten free pasta. Menu is extremely limited
Build your own pasta bowl options.
Really disappointed in the way we were treated the last time we were here. We ordered our meals and half an hour later they came to say that they ran out of GF pasta. They made me plain chicken skewers with grilled veggies instead which was not at all satisfying. While we were waiting for my meal the other meals were sitting under the heat lamp and were inedible by the time they were served an additional thirty minutes later. Really disappiibting, especially with the management.
large selection of gf food, they also give you a list of other allergens in their food. waitstaff seemed somewhat knowledgeable about gf. good food.
1155 Lake Woodlands Dr, Spring, TX 77380
Hostess said no more gluten-free menu. The gluten-free noodles have gone away temporarily. The waitress says it will be back in a month or two. This is a good thing because the gluten-free noodles were not the best anyway. Tonight, I got the cremini pork shank and asked for extra mushrooms. It was a lot of food that two people could share and the sauce is completely gluten free. It was so tender and just fell off the bone; Reminds me of a gourmet pot roast. That was an amazing meal! My son got the calebrese sirloin steak and it was cooked perfectly and also gluten-free. If ordering that steak, get a different side than the potatoes as they are not gluten-free.
900 State Rt. 17, Ramsey, NJ 07446
Usually very good, but twice now we have ordered gluten free pasta and the chef has had to come out and tell us that they did not have it on those particular days. Without the pasta, there really isn't that much for gf people, so this was very disappointing. We'll probably go back again, but not without calling them first to make sure they have the gf pasta.
3410 Highway 190, Mandeville, LA 70471-3102
There is no longer a GF menu here so we left.
102 E Winchester St., Salt Lake City, UT 84107
I'm baffled as to why so many have such high stars for this place. they do not have any kind of a gf menu and both the host and waitress seemed to know nothing about Gluten free. I was really looking forward to going here but was thoroughly disappointed.
241 Summit Blvd., Vestavia, AL 35243
Walked in last night and asked the greeter for a gluten free menu and was told they did not have a gluten free menu nor gluten free options available. Very Very disappointed since the Romano's near us does have a gluten free menu and caters well to celiacs. Hoping this was just a very untrained (new) person but could not take chance and we dined elsewhere.
2302 Tyrone Blvd. N, St. Petersburg, FL 33710
I'd give them 0 stars if I could. We mentioned at the host stand needing gluten free menus and there was no help until it was time to order and then they were unable to accommodate.
3250 Airport Blvd., Suite B6, Mobile, AL 36606
No longer offers GF! I was fortunate to have a server who bent over backwards to help me find *something* I could eat, since the rest of my family had already ordered. Two stars only because of the awesome server.
415 Philbrook Avenue #100, South Portland, ME 04106
Mom and I had the Chicken Milanese and the Veal dish and they were both delicious. our server was very well educated about allergies and very friendly. Apparently the company has stopped serving GF pasta after only a six month trial, but I never heard any advertisement about it in the first place.
21055 Dulles Town Circle, Sterling, VA 20166
Just tried to eat here. I was told by the greeter that they did not have the GF pasta here, and didn't have any GF options.
760 Jefferson Rd., Rochester, NY 14623
did away with their gluten free menu. they told me they only have potatoes. they do not have gluten free pasta anymore. we had to leave and go somewhere else.
1 Metro Park Rd., Albany, NY 12205
this place used to be great .. i went in last week and they informed me that they discontinued their gluten free options and all they could recommend is that I complain on the website.
3410 Highway 190, Mandeville, LA 70471-3102
No longer have GF menu, BUT, staff was extremely helpful with menu, evan getting chef involved. Roz was our server and was great.
50 South Ave., Burlington, MA 01803
We stopped there for lunch last week and they no longer serve gluten free pasta:( My celiac daughter loved the penne alfredo and never had any issues eating here. We are so very disappointed.
2302 Tyrone Blvd. N, St. Petersburg, FL 33710
they stopped serving gluten free pasta 3 months ago but the chef came to our table and worked out how to make a special batch of potatoes for us and dabbed the meal.
3250 Airport Blvd., Suite B6, Mobile, AL 36606
They no longer have GF PASTA. Fail. 'But if you're not super allergic there's only a little bit of bread crumbs on it, it shouldn't bother you' 😡
21001 N Tatum Blvd., Suite 4, Phoenix, AZ 85050
Used to love having gluten free pasta. Liability issues reported by staff the reason for getting rid of allergy menu items. I went with out and we will not return. HUGE MISTAKE to the new owners of the chain. It is time to improve food services not tell the world "our food is not safe to everyone in the world with any type of food allergy." Good luck with your customer service model.
740 SE Maynard Rd, Cary, NC 27511
I got sick twice. Now they stopped carrying gf pasta which is probably safer, because their gf items made me sick.
1958 State Route 23, Wayne, NJ 07470
Loved our first meal here, the GF pasta was great, but they don't have it anymore. Just about all you can safely get is Chicken Caesar Salad and another chicken breast dish (no paata with it). Not worth going when there are other places that have more selection for GF.
148 Harbison Blvd., Columbia, SC 29212-2204
Service was great. They made me a great steak. No GF carbs available.
573 N Stephanie St., Henderson, NV 89014
We were glutened here. I explained to the waiter that my daughter has celiac disease and needs to be gluten-free. We discussed the GF menu and I made sure to clarify that the cooks use different utensils, etc. The waiter was fully in-the-know. I ordered GF pasta and a side of broccoli for her. It came, it was the best darn GF pasta she ever tasted! I thought to myself they really need to sell this! Then as she was eating the broccoli, there was a spaghetti noodle in it. I complained about the noodle to the waiter, and he did offer to bring out another order of broccoli, but the damage was done. She didn't eat the noodle, but cross contamination. And then I find out that the pasta itself wasn't actually GF pasta either. No wonder it was so good. She was puking by the time we got home :-(
5045 Windward Pkwy., Alpharetta, GA 30004-3890
We were given a GF allergen menu. We ordered the GF Fettuccini Alfredo for our son. The waiter came back and told us they no longer had the GF pasta. They should remove the GF options from the allergen menu if they are no longer carrying it. This was the only reason we came since we had a gift card for MG and 3 other restaurants owned by the group.
4157 Concord Pike, Wilmington, DE 19803-1401
They don't carry gluten free pasta anymore!!! Very limited options are available now.
14331 Hall Rd., Shelby Township, MI 48315-6107
They removed the gluten free pasta from the menu. My life will never be the same. They do have gluten free options, but no pasta & their potatoes are dusted in floor. Bummer
900 State Rt. 17, Ramsey, NJ 07446
The chicken scallopini was delicious. They substituted broccolini for the pasta. The lemon butter sauce was perfect.
9292 Metcalf Ave., Overland Park, KS 66212
This used to be a favorite. They no longer have gf pasta. Menu is much smaller and they seem to be in a downhill slide.
8850 Rosedale Hwy, Bakersfield, CA 93312
Menu is not helpful but the staff is. When I told the server I was GF, he checked with the kitchen and advised me that my entree was GF, but the potatoes had flour on them and olives had bread crumbs! They were happy to sub another veg and dinner was delicious. Mgr came by several times to make sure we were pleased. Just make sure you ask about your selections.
2501 S IH 35, Round Rock, TX 78664
If you are on a Gluten Free diet, DO NOT go to the Macaroni Grill. They stopped providing gluten free pasta. They don't tell you this when they hand you the GF/allergy menu. I spent several minutes finding dishes I could eat and when it came time to order, they could not prepare any of them. The company decided to no longer stock GF pasta. To add to the situation, the GF/allergy menu is 3 years old and the manager told me that they stopped serving the pasta in January. Four months. That is plenty of of time to print a new menu. We paid for our wine and left the restaurant. Their customer relations department will be receiving a letter, e-mail, or phone call from me very soon.
5925 Kingstowne Towne Ctr., Alexandria, VA 22315-5877
manager offered only salads due to practices of cross contamination. DO NOT RRCOMMEND THIS PLACE IF YOU HAVE ANY ALLERGIES OR INTOLERENCES.
2501 S IH 35, Round Rock, TX 78664
Not only did they quit carrying GF pasta but we were handed 3 year old menus and sat there for ten minutes and then told they could not prepare any of the GF OPTIONS ON THE MENU. We paid for our wine and left. We won't be back!
5420 Pacific Ave., Stockton, CA 95207-5614
They don't have a GF menu or GF pasta.
11745 W IH 10, Suite 300, San Antonio, TX 78230-1067
They do NOT do gluten free pasta anymore. They say it's because they can't guarantee it won't be contaminated.
760 Jefferson Rd., Rochester, NY 14623
Came for Gluten Free Pasta, after being served drinks, told they no longer carry it! There are a few other non pasta menu options.
2001 N Rainbow Blvd., Las Vegas, NV 89108-7050
No gluten free pasta anymore. had to leave after a long wait :/
12148 S Apopka Vineland Rd., Orlando, FL 32836
They got rid of all their gluten free options. You can get grilled chicken but who wants that. I can make my own grilled chicken for way cheaper.
8850 Rosedale Hwy, Bakersfield, CA 93312
Update....this location no longer has a GF menu, or pasta due to cross contamination issues (according to the manager). They DO have GF items, but if you are coming for pasta you will be dissatisfied.
1958 State Route 23, Wayne, NJ 07470
They no longer have gluten free pasta as an option.
1915 Hampton Inn Ct., Winston Salem, NC 27103
They discontinued their gluten free pasta which was the reason to go there for me. No thanks to the only option of grilled chicken and broccolini! No longer celiac friendly.
2641 Prince William Pkwy., Woodbridge, VA 22192
on 3/21/15 I went and was told they had nothing gluten free on the menu and couldn't make anything gluten free. The staff even checked with the kitchen to make sure.
8620 Research Dr, Charlotte, NC 28262
Unfortunately, my celiac husband always gets his favorite meal. So all I can say is that the chicken Alfredo is excellent and he has never been sick afterwards. Update!!! Changed my review to 1star because they have removed all gluten free pasta from the menu!
3111 Preston Rd., Frisco, TX 75034-9444
We had a nice waiter, but we were informed that fbey no longer carry GF pasta because it could get cross contaminated. Won't be eating there any longer.
8156 W Bowles Ave., Littleton, CO 80123-3050
So sad that they no longer offer gluten free pasta! Used to be one of my favorites.
8620 Research Dr, Charlotte, NC 28262
I asked for a gluten free menu and I was told they didn't have one. Then I tried to order a chicken dish and was told they had run out. I ended up just eating a salad. It was definitely not the meal I was hoping for.
2100 Louisiana Blvd. NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110
This place no longer has gluten free noodles. Don't bother.
14904 N Dale Mabry Hwy., Tampa, FL 33618
They won't do gluten free because it's a "liability." I will NEVER give them business.
26641 Aliso Creek Rd., Aliso Viejo, CA 92656-2882
Romano's no longer has GF pasta. Options are very limited for those with celiac disease.
5925 Kingstowne Towne Ctr., Alexandria, VA 22315-5877
this location has ZERO KNOWLEDGE of gluten allergies.the manager I talked to when I asked about the potatoes he said they were safe if I wasnt celiac, when asked why he told me there was bread crumbs in them but not that much so it should be fine...no mention the gelato comes.with biscoti on top.. no gf menu at all, it was a lot of questionss but I know I will probably be sick later as I am gluten intolerant They no longer carry GF Noodles.
10000 West O'Hare Avenue, Chicago, IL 60666
eaten here three times each time staff asked about my GF allergy and explained what items could be substituted no published GF menu not sure kitchen has dedicated space so use caution
1580 North Dale Mabry Highway, Tampa, FL 33607
Romano ' s no longer has a gluten free menu. the hostess was awful and said she thought there was one menu item that was gluten free!
3000 184th St SW, Lynnwood, WA 98037
Romano's at the Alderwood Mall is no longer carrying the gluten free pasta. They do have some creative ways to make a gluten free meal but what's the point of Italian without the pasta.
13652 Jamboree Rd., Irvine, CA 92602
they dont have gluten free pasta anymore. just went in and sat down to eat and then the waitress told me. So I left....very awkwardly. oh well.
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- Lena said...
simple and darling. thanks for sharing. prayers for a blessed advent.
ad Jesum per mariam,
- November 30, 2012 at 12:27 AM
- Kate Eschbach said...
Perfect timing! You reminded me that I need to get the supplies for next Tuesday's RE class!
- November 30, 2012 at 12:58 AM
- Heather said...
We will be doing a Jesse tree this year. So excited!
- November 30, 2012 at 8:28 AM
- LisaZ said...
Advent is possibly my favorite time of year, more because it's *less* Christmas-y than because it's Christmas time. I like the quiet waiting of Advent, versus the craziness of American "Christmas".
In the Lutheran church, we also do Advent but for some reason we have three blue candles and one red in our wreaths instead of purple and pink. I'm going out today to buy my candles, in fact. Advent starts Sunday!
- November 30, 2012 at 11:20 AM
- mrsmthdst said...
Not just for Catholics- but many "high church" Christian denominations.
Very cute!
- November 30, 2012 at 11:26 AM
- katie said...
Love that wreath! I have been looking for a pretty advent wreath for some time!
- November 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM
- Mary Vaca said...
Advent is a Christian tradition: both Protestant and Catholic churches practice it.
- November 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM
- Carolyn said...
We do this too in the Lutheran church and I grew up rolling our own beeswax candles like the ones you show. Love the smell. Happy Advent Season!
- November 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM
- Valerie said...
Have a blessed Advent season!
- November 30, 2012 at 3:50 PM
- Ann Marie Heasley said...
I can never find purple and pink candles because I always wait until the last minute! I made these painted glass votives this year, just posted them and thought I'd share: http://www.whitehouseblackshutters.com/painted-votive-advent-wreath/
Good luck on your hunt! Her wreath is so cute, glad you shared it.
- November 30, 2012 at 4:19 PM
- seven2heaven said...
Waiting for my new candles to arrive...Love the Advent Season!
- November 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM
- Cat said...
Very pretty wreath! Our (Protestant, non-denominational) church uses three purple and one white candles...wonder what the difference is?
- December 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM
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Hi Sarah, Have you heard that Kate Middleton is suffering with hyperemesis gravidarum? I knew I'd heard of that before and I googled it along with the words "Clover Lane" and found your post about it. Thought you might like to know if you didn't already. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242389/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Hyperemesis-gravidarum--extreme-morning-sickness-hits-1-50-months.html
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Well I have been a member here for like 2 days now but I have noticed that there isn't much activity for being a forum. To me the layout is awesome and it seems like a great place, why isn't there much activity though?
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There seems to be more activity on the blogs :P
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Blogs are cool but I think it's more fun to talk to people via the forum or chat.
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Chat is where it's at, although char is even suffering with deadness these days. Chat used to be good when people used it (or even talked). But now its most of the time dead.
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Chat is lame now, don't even try going there now.
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U all follow Korn on facebook? I checked on it this weekend and read alot of news that were not published on this site. Unfortunately I have access to fb only about every 2 weeks .. such a shame.


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Foursquare talks TV Check-ins, badges, and the future
How can we make the mobile experience more interesting in the real world? That's the question Foursquare asks itself every day according to head of product Alex Rainert as he sits down with Pocket-lint to talk company mission and the future of location-based apps.
"There are certain benefits to being mobile," he tells us as he outlines the advantage. "Everything we do is for the mobile user."
As smartphones become a common fixture around the world, individuals and businesses alike are looking for ways to bridge the gap between the on-screen experience and everyday life. At the forefront of this mobile trend is Foursquare, the location-based check-in service fueling mob mentality.
"Location-based services are not just about a fringe experience powered by brands and merchants. Foursquare, has always aimed to be a tool to better experience the world around you, whether that's letting you know when two of your friends are around the corner or whether your favourite bar happens to have a drink special on."
Rainert puts heavy emphasis on Foursquare's quest to make people's lives more fun with the smartphone as a compass and the service as a mobile North Star. This rather idealistic vision sits in stark contrast with how the media has taken to portraying the company - as a multi-million dollar mega start-up whose founders recently appeared in Gap ads as well as trawling for TV partnerships.
Instead, Rainert describes Foursquare as a service designed to create meaningful life experiences.
"You get off work at 7pm, you can open Foursquare and it will give you five things you can do in the real world. It's about the power of how smartphones can genuinely enhance your life experiences. We don't want you to be lost in your phone for twenty minutes, the idea is to interact with Foursquare and then go do it."
One of the key ways, Rainert reasons, that this works is with the idea of Foursquare badges. The badges are virtual profile rewards for real life achievements and are where that elusive cross over between the online and offline takes place.
"We want the Foursquare badges to represent certain behaviors that we think will be good for our users," he explains.
"We hope the experience it took to get the badge will involve different behavior beneficial for the user. Take for example the Pizzaiolo badge. It's about the experience it took to get there. The change in behavior of trying 20 different pizza places with new people in new neighborhoods. These are the meaningful behaviours we're trying to create."
As altruistic as it sounds, it's those "meaningful behaviors" that have attracted a fair amount of attention from businesses hoping to cash in on the firm's check-in system, and leverage people's drive to acquire badges for their own benefit. So, which is it? Is Foursquare a fun tool or the viable marketing channel that analysts make it out to be?
According to Rainert, it's just too early to be the latter with marketers and brand experts still learning how to best to get to grips with the service.
"Truthfully, only four per cent of people use location based services - it already feels like a huge space but it's still tiny. For companies or brands it's a great opportunity to engage with their customers in the real-world but it's not impressions on an article, it's like 'I am literally at Radio Shack and I've redeemed is special.'"
But Foursquare, he says, is already so much more than offers at local pizza joints. The future, according to Rainert, is about using the service to interact with one's favorite TV shows, finding deals, sharing pictures and tapping into the new aspects of the social web.
In a world where e-commerce storefronts, businesses, and even news sources move towards a more social version of the web, Foursquare certainly maintains an interesting position - a web experience based on recommendations from friends, tips, and sharing, relegated to the mobile space but Rainert admits there are still limitations plaguing full adoption of location-based services.
"It's still early, and there are lots of things that we need to work out. For example, smartphone penetration is good right now, but it's not 100%. Also, we're working with lots of phones that have poor GPS signal. We're doing the best we can with the technology we have but it could be infinitely better."
As it goes, these might well be the least of the company's problems. Foursquare played an important role in shifting the world's focus from the Internet to the mobile Internet, but now that the trend has caught on, the company faces competition most tellingly of all from one of the biggest players in the game - Facebook.
With the launch of Facebook Places, Fourquare goes head on with a monstrous enemy in the mobile check-in realm. In our conversation, Rainert minimizes the possible threat by explaining that Foursquare is focused on the mobile front whereas Facebook is primarily Internet-based with mobility features as an added bonus but, it's hard to believe that, behind closed doors, there isn't quite a sense of panic spreading.
Mobile to Zuckerberg Inc. might be an "added bonus" but, when you're talking about a company of that size, it's going to leave an enormous footprint and Foursquare is going to be under much more pressure as Facebook continues to infiltrate the mobile space. Facebook CTO Bret Taylor has confirmed its desire to move more into the area describing mobile devices as "inherently social" and "already filled with your contacts and your friends" as well as "access to your location".
Facebook's encroachment into the mobile space combined with its dominating traffic numbers and appeal to marketers may mean serious trouble for Foursquare in the future. Particularly in the realm of advertising where Foursquare has yet to really figure out a way to integrate marketing features beyond check-in discounts. Facebook on the other hand rolled out a new "sponsored stories" advertising feature that uses check-ins to spread word of a brand via newsfeed, something that will no doubt appeal to major brands.
To make matters worse, Facebook recently unveiled Facebook Deals in the UK, a location-based service that offers rewards for check-ins using Facebook Places. If the folks at Foursquare weren't nervous before, they certainly should be now. In Foursquare's defence, Facebook Deals was rolled out in the States back in November and Foursquare still exists, attesting to the company's cult following, but for how long can Foursquare stand against the 500 million user strong brand?
The one thing Foursquare still holds in its favour against the Facebook business model is, well, character. Despite the New York City-based startup going international, there is still a group of loyal fans who want badges like the Pizzaiolo badge or the TSA inspired "I got my baggage handled" badge. By keeping this small company mentality perhaps Foursquare has a chance, but that's not to say Facebook won't give the underdog a run for its money. With more and more businesses gravitating towards the social networking beast for real-life benefits through location-based technology, the stage is set for a modern day epic.
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I agree with Google on this one. For normal people it is just confusing.
I do also think they should be releasing handsets with a reasonable amount of storage for typical use-cases.
I agree. For normal people who doesn't have a clue, it is confusing. We are tech people here so we can work around these problems.I also think that's way Google is re-releasing the Nexus 7 with more storage.


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We are currently sharing a car as his blew up prior to a camping trip. He needed it yesterday for work so he dropped me off at my job in the morning. He came to pick me up after work. We had talked about maybe working out that afternoon but first we HAD to stop by the garden. It had been a rainy and cool few days and with Yom Kippur, we hadn't been to the garden in a couple of days. He lured me there with the notion that our watermelon yes we grew a watermelon!!! might be ready.
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When it was all said and done, he has been planning this for a while. He spoke to my father at break the fast after Yom Kippur, the day before, to get permission. His folks have seen and approved of the ring (and me).
He became a diamond expert and purchased me a stone cut in a vintage style to match my vintage style and he proposed to me in the garden we grew together.
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Public Response to GMOs
In today's world when people prefer organic vegetables and ayurvedic medicines as compared to vegetables grown using pesticides and synthetically produced medicines , what response will the public have for Genetically Modified Organisms? Will they carry forward the trend of having customized organisms or will be a hindrance to evolution and prefer the same old stuff?
Nov 18 2013: Discussing GMO food seems almost elitist when there are so many in the world that have very little food, but I''m sure I just opened the door for a load of comments from people that want to educate me on the subject.
"Almost all the hungry people, 852 million, live in developing countries, representing 15 percent of the population of developing counties. There are 16 million people undernourished in developed countries (FAO 2012).
Nov 19 2013: I definitely agree with your view that discussing GMOs can appear to be "elitist," especially when taking into account the atrocious fact that there are millions who are undernourished in much of the developing world. What frightens me is that the public outcry against GMOs appears to spread like wildfire, leading many developing nations to take a strong stance against GM crops, even at the cost of potentially increasing malnourishment and starvation.
Granted, the individuals who are protesting GM crops in these developing nations make excellent arguments, and cite biodiversity, gene patenting, and corporate monopolization of these crops as very real concerns. Yet with how land is currently being allocated and subsequently mismanaged, I honestly don't think that it is likely that we could feed the world without the utilization of GM crops.
(Source: http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/217-hunger/52440-african-civil-society-groups-protest-gmo-agriculture.html)
Nov 19 2013: Oddly enough, biodiversity, gene patenting, and corporate monopolization of crops is not a GMO issue. They are all business practice issues. Yes, in this case, biodiversity is a business practice issue--the problem of the agricultural monoculture was being discussed for decades before GMO crops existed. The same is true of corporate monopolization. Indeed, that has been seen as a potential or real problem since the 1960s. While "gene" patenting wasn't an issue until recently, "line" or "hybrid" patenting could cause similar problems. None of the problems you cite are new, nor are they unique to GMO crops. They are all business practice problems that will not go away with a ban of GMO. They will just return to the traditional hybrids.
Nov 19 2013: I've selected a series of quotes that outlines the problem from this news article:
"We know vitamin A deficiency is a huge problem," said Keith P. West, a professor of infant and child nutrition at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
"As many as 250 million children worldwide are vitamin A deficient, according to the World Health Organization."
"Vitamin A deficiency can cause blindness and, because it dampens immune system function, leaves children more vulnerable to becoming severely ill from infections."
"If all children in deprived areas were given enough vitamin A, up to 2.7 million deaths could be prevented each year, according to Tang's team."
Those that read the article will see that it clearly states that "Golden Rice" is NOT A 'PANACEA'.
GMO's are controversial for new reasons, and I am not taking the position that they're all good. But "biofortified" foods cannot be easily dismissed without suggesting alternatives.Nov 20 2013: Agreed. None of these business practice problems really are new, but the GMO debate is a relatively recent one, and the monopolization of GM agriculture (and subsequent boycotts) definitely can have a significant negative impact on the economy, with the cost being our ability to end world hunger.
The over-arching problem being that ending world hunger generally appears to require GMOs, which are currently being demonized by many of the individuals in the developing nations that need food the most.
What I don't understand is why individuals would choose worldwide starvation/malnourishment over the potential application of GM crops. Based on most of the academic reports that I've read (such as this: http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/land_deg/land_deg.html), it appears that we cannot feed the world due in part to the shortage of arable land and land degradation. In this sense, activists who protest against GMOs appear to be doing more harm than good, as there really doesn't appear to be any viable alternative to alleviating world hunger.Nov 21 2013: Why choose worldwide starvation over GMO? Superstition. It all boils down to superstition. There has been a superstitious cult dominating the Left and intelligentsia for decades. Some of the dogmas of this cult are: 1) "Natural" = "Good". 2) "Human origin" = "not natural". 3) Reduce population, no matter the cost. 4) Individual human life has no value in the face of the collective.
Nadav Tropp
Oct 29 2013: I see no problem with GMOs so long as they're subject to testing and scrutiny to make sure they're safe for consumption, just like any other food. Seeing as they're already undergoing the process just fine without public intervention, I wouldn't worry.
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By the way, if we tried growing all our food organically, we physically wouldn't be able to feed the world population. Its higher than can be propped up without artificial fertilizer for quite a few decades now, and is only rising. GMOs may well help us prop it up higher; either that, or the population keeps growing until we can't feed them all, which is something of an issue.
Unfortunately, people have this odd tenancy to think that "natural" equates "good". Cyanide is also natural, but you don't see me stuffing any in my mouth. GMOs were genetically modified for a reason, after all, as an improvement, not a liability.
Oct 29 2013: Spot onNov 18 2013: Re: In today's world when people prefer organic vegetables and ayurvedic medicines...
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Do they?
This statement sounds a little misleading, and might read, when "some" people prefer...
This article is written by a a chemist interested in the history and philosophy of science and he makes several point that are worth considering in this Scientific American blog essay.
"I actually find the anti-GMO folks' argument about not trusting GMOs simply because they have "not been tested enough" to be disingenuous, selective and cherry-picked at the very minimum. Let's say that tomorrow Whole Foods introduces a new brand of spirulinadetoxwhatever health supplement containing feelbetteramine from a wholly natural plant found in the foothills of Bolivia. Do we think for a second that the anti-GMO folks won't be lining up at their nearest Whole Foods, no matter that this novel substance is as much or even more untested than a GMO?"Nov 12 2013: What adds more value to society. It is simply more economical to produce GMOs rather than organic food. Yes, we very well could make the argument that organic food increases overall happiness by improving the standard of living but the majority of people would disagree... hints why organic food is a niche market, although trending rather rapidly.
Scary to think about our foods being modified in a lab? Yes, but not really. Humans have interfered with agricultural evolution for thousands of years through natural selection, this is simply a process of speeding up the selection. Watermelons and grapes used to have seeds. Apples were the size of a cherry.
Changing the genetic structure of an organism more than likely does not produce a toxin, the actual goal is to increase quantity, nutritional value, and production efficiency. This is real value.
Mike Colera
Nov 11 2013: Let's see, I have two choices....
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I can go every Thursday afternoon to the local Walmart and buy groceries for the week. Some chicken parts, a package of ground beef, a package of steaks, potatoes, lettuce, onions, package of broccoli, etc... . there are about 50 items on my shopping list, including paper products and drinks... Some of the fresh vegetables are marked organic, most are not. Then spend the rest of my days doing a wide variety of other things, including spending maybe way too much time addressing issues on TEDs.
I could be more conscience about what I eat and grow my own food, carefully and cautiously insuring the purest and most natural foodstuffs. I will need about 5 acres to provide land to grow food and sustain some protein source such as chicken and rabbit. Beef would be too land expensive, but I'll have a grove of fruit trees native to this area.... there go bananas, but I will have the best of vegetables, again what is native to this clime..,. I may be able to build a small greenhouse to extend my growing season and plant some additional produce. I will get up early each morning and spend my day to tend to the animals and the growth of the garden items. Once there is a harvest, there will be time to store and can foodstuffs. The rest of my time will be tending to and butchering the animals. There may be some quiet moments in the evening that I will be able to look at the TED site and do all the other things I do like to do....
but sustainment farming is a 7/24 job and little time for social and intellectual pursuits. Maybe excepting the Sunday socials after services..Nov 11 2013: An issue with GMO is that people do not understand either its potential uses or misuses. Genetically modified organisms are in frequent use today in the production of life saving medicines such as insulin. Many diabetics would be out of luck without GMO. This is an example of a proper use of the technology. A misuse would be a procedure like injecting genes into plants that produce pesticides that they wouldn't normally produce, since this can have a major impact on the ecosystem and the toxicity of those plants. So, really with proper education on how genetic modification works, and why it has so much potential, I think people will come around to the idea of GMO, as long as it is used properly.
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Nov 8 2013: My two heads can't come to a consensus. Though they both agree my tail has been quite useful in fending off the giant cockroaches. ;-)Nov 7 2013: Yes you're right. To me GMO equals Monsanto. I think I'm not alone (hence the title of this discussion 'Public response to GMO's'. I think whenever the word GMO comes by, uneducated people (like myself ;)) immediately think about the mal practices of Monsanto and other 'too big too fail' companies. Thanks for the insight and nuance. I think everyone should be educated this way. And inspired by growing our own crops like you do. I live in Barcelona and have a 50x150cm balcony so I wish I could have a 1500m2 garden!.. Well, just a month ago harvested my first chillis... :D But, hey we all have to start somewhere ;)
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Nov 7 2013: No, you are not alone and that's why I say that facts are communicated poorly.
Barcelona has a nice climate for growing stuff. Not too cold and not to hot.
50 x 150 cm isn't a lot, but you still can grow herbs or perhaps even tomatoes. Not much, but better than nothing. Beside, if you have a vertical wall available you can use this space too.
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Nov 7 2013: Yes was thinking about adding the tomatoes next spring. Great idea the verical garden!
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Nov 10 2013: Vertical garden is very good for growing orchids. They probably could fetch you some profits too, :Nov 7 2013: Well there's a lot of countries doing public research for gmo's even Cuba is doing research... the golden rice in China is a good example or the berenjena bt in Bangladesh... is funny how people doesn't know Monsanto also produces non-GMO seeds, but thats not something the "organics" cares... BTW Organic food have killed a lot of people because of the ecchericha colli while GMO's have not kil anybody. Sorry for my bad english anyway
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Nov 8 2013: Research is being done, but what I said is that information is poorly communicated to the public.
As to E. Coli, this is independent of a crop being GMO or organic, but has something to do with fecal pollution.
Nov 8 2013: Yes, but the poor communication to the public is an issue in all sciences; my point is you can't take an active position against something if you don't know what it is about. I have not read all the conversation in this thread before posting, my mistake.
Exactly the E. Coli was because of fecal pollution, so why people brings herbicides, pesticides, patents or Monsanto when talking about transgenics (Not your fault, but a very common opinion).Nov 8 2013: You are aware that there is a lot of opposition against golden rice among those who fancy themselves to be "Greens", including Greenpeace, are you not?
Nov 8 2013: So what? Greenpeace would be the last organization I would seek to learn about how healthy or unhealthy GMOs are. They are far from being objective and fair to anything they consider "unnatural."Nov 5 2013: It's been my experience that most people do not prefer organic vegetables and aryuvedic medicine. Most people I know don't care if a vegetable is organic and look upon aryuveda as some kind of bizarre foreign superstition. Since my most common scientific collaborator is from India, I know better. But most people think of "organic" as "cute idea, but far too expensive". Most people I know don't care a whit about GMOs.
Harald Jezek
Nov 6 2013: Well, just because people don't care about something doesn't mean it should be ignored.
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A lot of people give a damn about the environment either but that doesn't make the problems go away.
That said, this whole issue about GMOs is a discussion born out of ignorance. Most people take a stance, at one or the other side of the spectrum without even knowing what they are talking about. Probably most people don't even know that most of the stuff we eat is a GMO and that's so for thousands of years.
The only thing that changed is the method we use to genetically modify organism.
Nov 6 2013: That wasn't my point. I was debunking the claim that "most people" are so up in arms over an issue. Most people are not up in arms over GMO, thus, beginning an argument with the claim that most people are up in arms over it only weakens ones point from the start.
Nov 6 2013: I suppose that's true for most issues. It's always a minority that's excited about something, but the vast majority just is doing business as usual.
But my point is that just because it's a minority that's screaming, one shouldn't ignore the issue. At least there should be an open discussion.
Oct 31 2013: >>>>>Can anyone link me to scientific proof that GMO's are harmful to the environment & humans?
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Oct 31 2013: Doesn't exist for the simple reason that GMO is a generic term such as "chemical".
Saying GMOs cause damage would be equivalent to saying chemicals cause damage.
Obviously a statement that wouldn't make much sense.
Nov 3 2013: It would be equivalent to asking, has anyone got any proof that man made chemicals have damaged the environment?
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A fair question, the answer could be yes...here is some
I'm looking for any study done on any genetically modified plant or animal that has had negative effects on the environment and or human health in any way.
Everyone is saying this and that is bad about GMO's but where is the evidence to back it up...
Mike Colera
Oct 29 2013: It is probably a safe bet to say that GMO foodstuffs have increased the available foods in the world. Best info available shows that to be true.... increasing food supplies matching growth in population....
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Some have criticized GMO foods as being "dangerous" or or or. Not a lot of support for that opinion. Most food safety testing does not bear it out. There can be some allergic reactions by some people to some products, but that's not clearly defined.
But, here is my belabored question...
I am a product manufacturer... be it GMO foods or widgets... I want customers beating down my doors to buy my product, I want 100 % market share, I want to make a terrific profit... I want to buy a yacht the size of an aircraft carrier, I want to buy the Hope Diamond for a key chain bobble...
Why would I put out a product that would hurt my customers, make them sick or, heaven forbid, kill them.
That's not good for business, that's not good for repeat customers... I'd never make a profit doing that....
it would make no business sense....
And say what you want about my product, be it GMO foods or widgets, don't think I am stupid about making profits.... I wouldn't be in business in the first place.
Oct 29 2013: Mike,
You would sell products that hurt your customers because you value short-term profits or your stock price over your long-term reputation. There is no shortage of examples of companies that do exactly that.
Nadav Tropp
Oct 29 2013: Granted, you could say that about anything. Its not much of an argument for or against GMOs, though it might have some relevance for a discussion about the free market.
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Oct 30 2013: I'm not arguing against GMOs at this point.
I was responding to Mike's "belabored question", which I interpreted as "If I were a manufacturer, why would I make a product that hurts my customers?"
My answer is: "short-sighted greed".
- Auto manufacturers would not install seatbelts until they were required to by law.
- Chinese toy manufacturers used hazardous chemicals (phthalates, lead, etc.) in toys.
- Meat packers used "downer cows" in meat products meant for human consumption.
My argument is for, at a minimum, labeling GMO foods.
Labeling of GMO foods is currently on the ballot in Washington state.Oct 30 2013: Kevin,
I have no idea where you are coming from... but it is not from an entrepreneurial prospective.
Willie Sutton robbed banks because as he said that is where the money is. It was all about quick profits. There may not be a shortage of those companies that used that "business model"... question... how many of them are still in business? Willie Sutton is not in business anymore.
I am sure you can go to Twitter and UTube and maybe even the TED site and find comments or talks by people who discuss the criminality of companies in treatment of their customers and explain the continuation of these businesses by bribery and other illicit means.
I am a firm believer in the law. Willie Sutton went to jail. Anyone who violates the law should be in jail... Yesterday. Any politician who prevents any criminal from facing justice should be put "under the jail." So... I have an open mind. If someone can show proof of criminal activity let them come forward.
But, too many, way too many make accusations without proof... using innuendoes, rumor and suppositions. That is my sad understanding of the GMO situation and many others.Oct 30 2013: Honestly, GMOs have grown so prevalent, that it might be easier to label the natural stuff instead, at least when it comes to plant products (animals not so much, but its only a matter of time).
Which everyone who's selling "organic" is pretty much already doing.
Granted, most of the "organic" stuff sold today isn't actually organic (it'd take a lab test to tell the difference, so its pretty easy to get away with; I'm not ever sure its illegal given that 'organic' may not even be defined by law), but what makes you think labels will change that?
bart hsi
Oct 29 2013: I agree with Harald that it is really too complicated matter to control of sorting out the so called GMOs. Furthermore, the genetic modification,is really all around us, and include us as well. We have all eat vegetable or fruits which are genetically modified by mixing (transplant) different plants together such as the pluots, red grapefruits, etc. And all the animals, including human being, are constantly genetically altered (mutation) by the cosmic radiation. The occurrence could also happen by unhealthy marriage or incest.
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As long as our Food and Drug Administration oversees the GMO products, we have to rely on them just as they are the gate keeper against toxic or harmful drugs. We must also realize that eating GMO grains does not change our genes into the modified genes in the grain. Because if so, then most of us will look like, or feel as, a cow or a pig already. It is really interesting that many of us are ignorant to the warning by the Center for Disease Control on the unhealthy effect of overexposure to the direct sunlight which causes skin cancer; melanoma, which is quite fatal, or the bad effect of obesity by overeating which causes many more morbidity and mortality, yet we are so scared of the GMOs.
Harald Jezek
Oct 29 2013: Regardless of ones opinion about GMOs, the problem I see is that the public has little to say about it because information is pretty scarce.
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Very rarely do we know what foods contain GMOs. There is a pretty good chance that we are already consuming significant amounts of GMOs without being aware of it.
Nadav Tropp
Oct 29 2013: Actually, the information is there if you look for it hard enough. I remember checking a couple of years back and realizing that about half the plant matter I ate was genetically engineered in some manner; its probably only gone up since.
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Oct 29 2013: You can for example buy catchup and you will have no clue whether or not GMO tomatoes are used in.
Then you also have the indirect exposure. Do you know whether or not your fried chicken was fed with GMO corn ?
Oct 29 2013: Harald Jezek 50+
You've won the HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD award.
Harald, you laid waste to all the arguments, both sides.
I would honor you with 2 awards, but I broke my mirror
and now face 7 more years of bad luck.Oct 30 2013: Actually, you can be almost sure that the plant derived processed products you eat contain at least some GMOs.
They're more economical to grow, and seeing as its processed, the "organic" crowd won't buy it anyway. Makes no financial sense to sell natural processed products.Oct 29 2013: hahahaha Frank, don't worry......time passes so fast .....your 7 years will pass in a fly.
btw, I used a sledgehammer so it's easy to hit the nail on the head.Oct 30 2013: Nadav, I have no doubt about that.Oct 30 2013: Especially when you consider that mutagenic GMOs have been around since the 50s.Nov 25 2013: To me GMO foods is pretty sketchy, why not label GMO foods? I mean the FDA says they are safe, why not label them. so it tells you it is something these people are not telling us.Nov 13 2013: GMO's are vegetables' CEO's.
Keith W
Nov 12 2013: The public reaction towards GMOs is this: Half the people don't care because they trust the FDA and the the government regulators unjustly, and the other half of people have an irrational fear of them which isn't grounded in reality. Public panic in GMOs is like public panic in Vaccines, ignorance is the breeding ground for paranoia and fringe/ conspiracy type thinking. Both vaccines and GMO's have gone through rigorous scientific scrutiny and similar to claims about Extra-Terrestrial air-craft, although seductive and compelling to a nondiscriminatory or biased mind, has no real weight when measured with real science. I'm saying GMOS and vaccines might end up being bad and UFOs may be real, but there is no Hard evidence despite all the extensive research.
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David Shute
Nov 13 2013: Hard evidence of the unintended harmful consequences does exist and it is not hard to find with a search. While the plant/food itself may not be harmful, such things as the impact of genetically modified plants on the diversity of plant species is - the leakage of GMO DNA into otherwise untouched varieties is well documented. This diminishment of diversity reduces the ability to withstand heretofore unknown threats.
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Such modifications as the ability to grow in an environment rich in RoundUp (like a lot of corn grown in the US thanks to Monsanto) has resulted in those feed crops absorbing more of the active killing ingredient in RoundUp and thus causing cancer in the organisms including humans that eat it.
Then there is the perhaps more insidious impact of companies such as Monsanto becoming sole source for seeds; the legal and financial stranglehold this corporation is placing on farmers threatens our food supply just as much as the genetic modification.
We humans have long genetically modified plants and animals - that's how we get cocker spaniel from wolf. Modern techniques are just much more controlled and effective. We humans do not, however, know how to control the spread of those new genes into the larger environment and therein lies the greatest threat.
Keith W
Nov 13 2013: Your right, certain GMOs can be potentially harmful species so all u got to do is safely control their use like we do with electricity.. doesnt require magic. People in the future will see GMO resistors the same as we today view those who opposed electricity. Face it people are scared of what they are not familiar with and once people are familiar it will seem silly to be so scared. There is no evidence GMOs are harming people or other plants because as of today Monsanto and the wider scientific community understands the potential of harm so they take the necessary steps to prevent it. Is it that hard to believe in an age with space exploration, sattelites, and nuclear power plants that men can be responsible??Nov 12 2013: I think that there will always be a market for organic produce and other organic foods. However, "the same old stuff" is now prohibitively expensive for many many low-income workers and their families, the elderly and the disabled. So, GMO foods will be sold to people who need to eat and cannot afford to be picky. I would like to see more community gardens so that people can grow their own organic produce, if they wish. Buying GMO foods should be an informed choice that is made because consumers truly want to eat these Genetically Modified Organisms.Nov 11 2013: I think the biggest issue is with gene patenting, which essentially is monopolizing our food supply. This also eliminates competition from an agribusiness standpoint, and reduces bio-diversity (which has a significant impact on our ecosystem).
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As for the ethical implications of GMOs, please Google "Norman Borlaug" and the "Green Revolution." The fact of the matter is that we have been "genetically modifying" various crops for 10,000+ years, and with breakthroughs in science and technology, we have been able to advance this process. Norman Borlaug and his colleagues have been credited to have saved over a billion lives from starvation, and this is due in part to genetically modified crops.
Don't get me wrong, I strongly support local farmers and organic products, especially given that these organic choices counter-balance the monopolization of our food supply and promote bio-diversity. Yet there are individuals who cannot afford to choose organic over genetically modified products. That being said, organic farming is ideal, however, we cannot feed the world on ideals alone.Nov 10 2013: In response to "organics" when every body else is eating plastic fruit then you can call your produce organically grown, until then, it's all organic.
Nov 11 2013: Organic generally ends up translating as "sustainable". We're not talking about the chemical definition of organic, if we were, plastic fruit would also be considered organic. The problem with the term organic however, is that it has been corrupted by the mega farming industry. At this point it costs so much to label your food organic that most of the "certified organic" foods are actually from highly unsustainable mega farms.
Nov 11 2013: the least sustainable way of producing food is small farms or growing your own food in your flat. it is (or might be) a good assurance that it is clean and actually contains nutrients, but it is the most resource intensive way of farming.
Nov 11 2013: Small scale farming can be quite sustainable. What is not sustainable is the mega farm industry that we have now, which produces cheap, but toxic foods. Economy of scale only extends so far. A properly designed permaculture system should use very little excess energy. In other words, you would be using only the resources that you would be using anyway. This contrasts current agriculture, where dedicated resources are used for the production of food.
In either case, as to which forms of agriculture truly are the most sustainable, it is hard to argue that our current farm industry, run by Monsanto et al, is in any way sustainable. The larger the farm, the more difficult it is to stop the spread of disease, and so we pump our animals full of antibiotics. Most of our meat comes from multiple sources, which means an even higher chance of spreading disease. The list of reasons why our current farming paradigm is unsustainable simply goes on and on.Nov 11 2013: please observe that you just claimed the opposite without putting arguments forward.
there is no fundamental difference between "homegrown" and industrial. there are circumstantial differences, but i'm not talking about that now. in each case, you need to deliver the water, the nutrients, and you need to do some maintenance work. you can, of course, declare these resources negligible, but it is only negligible because it is small compared to your every day's use. this is a false view though, because industrial resource use is also negligible if you divide by the number of people served. and viewing from the other side, homegrown resources use is very high if you multiply by the number of participants.
it is known on the other hand that industrial techniques are cheaper. like fertilizers and insecticides/fungicides. the result is a cheaper and less resource intensive farming, but usually a lower quality.
from a sustainability standpoint, none are sustainable, both can be changed to be sustainable, and industrial is actually closer to sustainability.
as of now, organic/bio/homegrown are only marketed as eco friendly. in fact they are resource intensive, high quality, luxury products. which is not a problem at all, but it is good to see clearly.
Nov 11 2013: I most certainly put arguments forward. Regarding economy of scale. I mentioned difficulties in managing larger and larger farms, including the point that industrial farms have far more difficulty managing diseases and that industrial food supply systems also have the same problem. It's why our food is pumped full of antibiotics and pesticides. However, there is also the issue with distribution. For mega farms that produce for people all around the country, if not for multiple countries, a large amount of the energy is used for transportation. In addition, we have had to modify our food stuffs to be able to handle such transportation as well as, in many cases, long term storage.
I also pointed out that one can grow a certain amount of food really without utilizing any more resources than that person would normally use on a day to day basis. This is not true for all households, but for many. Consider how many people have enough land for the following: house a few chickens, and in addition have a small garden on the property. The chickens keep pests away from the garden. Scraps from the garden feed the chickens. In return, you can get quite a bit of food for very little energy inputted into the system.
Now, it's true that this wouldn't be able to feed the entire country, but I am saying that economy is scale isn't a perfect ideal. There are reasons why home food production is sustainable, and there are reasons why industrial mega farms are most certainly not sustainable. I also cannot see how an industrial farm could be sustainable. How would you prevent diseases?
Oh, I should also point out that industrially produced food is not nearly as cheap as it appears because part of that is offset by literally billions upon billions of dollars of government subsidies each year.Nov 11 2013: scaling up can have either zero or positive outcome, but never negative. it is pure logic. if scaling up does not help, you can always just not scale up. instead, build a lot of smaller units. the very fact that people establish large farms indicate that the benefits outweigh the loss. either that, or the industry is made up of total morons that don't understand their own interest. this includes diseases and transportation. farm food is cheaper (all costs included), therefore we can say that solving those problems cost less than the additional value created.
government subsidy must go. but intensive farming started way before subsidies, and it goes on everywhere, despite the differences. in fact, subsidies are not the cause of centralization, but the effect. large corporations are in a good position to bargain special benefits for themselves. but they have to grow big on their own first.
Nov 11 2013: Scaling up often as a negative outcome. Scaling up in business can eventually lead to an inability to actually provide the necessary services for a customer base. Scaling up can end up in the issues I have mentioned above in the farm system. Scaling up can reduce innovative ability. You're right that farming has been around long before subsidies, but think about when the switch over to large scale industrial farming started. Was it around the same time that the industry started receiving subsidies? Government subsidization destroys basic market principals and allows a business to grow far beyond where it "should" and far beyond where it is most efficient.
How can you assert that subsidization is an effect and not a cause when the subsidization predates the centralization of the industry? I haven't done a full study on the idea, but I like to think of the market in terms of natural evolving systems. When we look at it this way, we see the same kind of limits on growth as we do in the natural world. And, at least to some extent, I have observed caps in growth potential of businesses. Right now it's anecdotal, I'll admit, but I also have provided many reasons why there are limits to economy of scale.Nov 11 2013: i provided a logical (and rather straightforward) argument that scaling up can't have negative *outcome*. that is, can not have *more* negative effects *than* positive effects. it will not be changed by listing negative effects all day long.
governments have no intent to alienate their voters. in a country of many small farms, governments are happy to subsidy small farms, as it often happens all around the globe. with the existence of large farms, the government is happy to subsidize them too (at the same time) because they employ people, because helping them looks good on television, and because they pay fat pieces of bribe. government interventions go in both directions, they don't care. the government does not what to create anything. they just want to rule the things that exist.
Nov 11 2013: "i provided a logical (and rather straightforward) argument that scaling up can't have negative *outcome*. that is, can not have *more* negative effects *than* positive effects. it will not be changed by listing negative effects all day long."
Well, now you're moving the goalposts. Your original assertion was that scaling up cannot have negative outcomes, now you're saying that it can't have outcomes that are more negative than positive. This is far more complicated to even discuss because we then have to come up with a way to measure negative and positive and compare the measure of both positive and negative outcomes.
In any case, we're moving far away from the topic of GMOs, so perhaps we should get back to that? Or we can start a new thread. Feel free to post a new discussion on the topic of economy of scale and I'll comment there.Nov 11 2013: listen. outcome is the sum of all effects. can we move on finally?
Nov 11 2013: Sure, care to move back to GMOs? Like I said, continuing this thread here doesn't seem appropriate since it's too far off the topic of the "idea".Nov 11 2013: well, it is the same topic actually. GM reduces the costs per unit of output, and therefore more sustainable and more "green" if you will. this, unless of course we let externalities not to be counted. this is the only issue, and actually the same is true for all industries. i see this pattern in a great many cases. some people fear new technologies, but they don't say that, they claim they care for nature. the same argument is used against nuclear power plants. in fact, nuclear power plants are very good for the biosphere. they are dangerous for us only. so if we follow logic and facts, greens should fight for all nuclear solutions, and embrace the possibility of nuclear contamination of cities. the same thing is happening with GM. GM poses a risk mostly to people. it actually helps the biosphere. helps by reducing chemical use, reducing farm area, reducing water use and so on. and people not caring about nature, but fearing negative health effects should oppose GM.
Nov 11 2013: There is a fundamental difference between sustainability and cost. I don't see how we can continue on with the discussion as long as you equate the two. You also seem to be ignoring long term "costs" associated with short term gains.Nov 11 2013: in my analysis, i equated sustainability with counting all externalities. if there would be no externalities, sustainability would be guaranteed by the price system.
this is how it works: suppose there is a finite pool of some resource. if there are no externalities, that resource is owned by some people. if the resource is not essential, it is not a problem if they use it up all. if the resource is essential, the price of the resource goes up as it becomes fewer and fewer. as the owners anticipate the price going up, they will defer their use of the resource, anticipating a greater income in the future. also as the resource starts do deplete (long before it happens), because the price went up, people start to look for ways to either replace that resource, or replenish it. that is how the free market handles scarce resources, if externalities are not allowed.
now as a contrast, let's examine the situation in which there is a free and unowned resource, like fish in the ocean. in that case, users of the resource are better exploit the resource as soon as they can, or else someone else will. they will not be able to defer the use of the resource, since they don't own it, they can't stop other people using it. there is a race condition to consume as much of it as possible, as soon as possible. and no amount of legislation will be enough. people longing for wealth will always outsmart governments.
there are only two ways to achieve sustainability. one is internalizing all externalities. the other is totalitarian dictatorship. and i'm not sure about the latter.
Nov 11 2013: So you say, but you don't seem to take into account long run effects, and that's really inappropriate. Is the use of fossil fuels more sustainable? It's temporarily more cost effective, but not only will fossil fuels run out, but their use produces a large amount of pollution, which in the future will have to be cleaned up, probably at a high cost.
Likewise it may cost less to produce food in mass quantities in a factory farm, but at what point does the massive spread of disease end up costing more than the amount that you save by economy of scale? Think of how many outbreaks of E. Coli we've had lately.Nov 11 2013: we digress again, but here you go. you are talking about two resources here: fossil fuels and atmospheric heat radiation balance. the first is easy, we need owners for reservoirs, and they use it in any rate they see fit. we do want to use it all up, why would we want it to be there, unused? and as i explained, as the remaining reservoirs shrink, price goes up, alternative solutions come about. that is all cool.
the atmosphere is a harder nut to crack. we need to establish rules so everyone using the atmosphere (that is, everyone indeed) owns the atmosphere. nobody should be able to emit anything that affects the composition or state of it without everyone's consent. so either convince us that it is harmless, pay us money, reverse the effects, or stop polluting. that is my proposed solution. but we need laws that trust the people with this decision. we don't need administrations and offices. we need contracts. imagine for example if BP should have signed contracts with each and every fisherman and land owner in the mexican gulf in order to get a drilling licence. i can assure you that they would do a damn good job making sure nothing goes wrong, or else they could say goodbye to any future drilling.
one might say, but then we will have no drilling. well, okay for me. if something can't be done convincingly safely, don't do that. but in fact it can, and a good insurance solves the problems. compensation for any damages guaranteed, as well as consent of everyone involved.
once again you think that every entrepreneur is a silly-wally. they understand very well the risks of infections. that is why they have separated areas, that is why they have like "turns" or what on animal farms, with sterilization in between. that is why they use chemicals. and that is why they have insurances. big farms are fine, thanks for asking.
and to be on topic, that is why they use GM.
Nov 12 2013: Why shouldn't we use up all of the fossil fuels? Well, have you been keeping on eye on the amount of pollution they cause? What about acid rain? There's a problem with just burning up all the fossil fuels. Fossil fuel burning can also increase the amount of respiratory conditions that a population face.
Massive farms are not fine. Beyond the issue with treatment of the livestock, they are pumping tons of toxic chemicals into the environment and into our food system. They are also decreasing the nutritional content of food. And as I mentioned before, we have outbreak after outbreak of E Coli and other diseases and require nation wide recalls thanks to the mass production system. Big farms are not doing fine. As I mentioned, the only reason that they can manage is because of the high rate of subsidization.Nov 12 2013: there are two possibilities. either you are superficially reading my comments, or you deliberately try to derail the conversation. which one is it?
i explicitly discussed the problem if finiteness and the problem of pollution as two separate issues. in the first paragraph, i explained that finiteness is not an argument against using it all. in the second paragraph, i have explained my position on pollution. in your reply, you simply ignore the second part, and pretend that i don't know about it. what the heck?
the same is true about farming. i refuted your previous points, they are now ignored, and came up with other stuff. who were talking about moving goalposts?
environmental issues are discussed in my analysis that you have ignored. i have nothing to add.
e-coli is less likely to be an issue with large scale farming. manure spreads coli. artificial fertilizers don't. grazing spreads coli. artificial fodders or what is the name do not. no surprise, a few years ago there was an especially aggressive coli outbreak in germany. the government was very active finding the source, then suddenly abandoned the issue. the source is almost certainly was a bio (organic for americans) farm, which are very popular in germany. oops.