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Syria today, America tomorrow
What goes around, comes around.
Red Mushroom Cloud? Huge Explosion Rocks Damascus Syria Causing Blackout!
Blackout and fire due to Syrian rebels attack on city.
Many innocent people are suffering from the violence, murders, and the power outage.
The US has the continued audacity to support Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria, which is counter to its own security, and the security of the world.
This is carried out by evil people, and permitted by their spineless opponents, who are too afraid to do anything.
Where are the righteous heroes, who fight for good, and not evil?
And what we sow, we will reap.
We will see mushroom clouds here too, and fires.
And we, just like the Syrians, will experience blackouts, as regions are destroyed .
Damascus is predicted in the bible to become a ruinous heap.
A prophecy against Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins. Isaiah 17:1
Little did I think, years ago, it would be due to American sponsored terrorism. I thought it would be the Syrians bringing it upon themselves.
Now, America has set itself up to also become a ruinous heap, as just punishment for the terror it supports.
I wish to extend my deepest concern and apology to the people of the world for what it is seeing.
Maybe America really is "Mystery Babylon" that God causes to fall in the last days.
I deeply repent before God for what America has done to the world.
I deeply pray for those American soldiers, and other soldiers, who have been put in harm's way, to fight for freedom and security of our country, and for other countries.
I deeply pray for those in other countries who are facing danger and evil, due to many sources.
I deeply pray AGAINST the Satanic Antichrist system, which is destroying the world, and putting it under subjection and oppression.
May God help, protect and provide for all those who call upon his Name, YHVH, Yahweh.
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Skip to contentHomeAbout October 26, 2013 · 8:45 am | Edit Are these not the End Times?
First I would like to start off by quoting from what our Lord told us would happen: Jn.16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Jesus told us if we are to be His we need to become overcomers of this world and its ways as the Apostle James said in 4:4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. When we leave the ways of our Lord Jesus we have just left our first love and have come back into the world and found ourselves to be an adulterous nation and generation: This is not being an over-comer, this is the seed Jesus was talking about who received the word (Gospel) and the cares of this world choked it out! If we are truly as those who are spoken of in Mal.3:16Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another (2 Tm.2:24-26; Jms.5:19-20; 1 Pt.4:8): and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
These are those who are overcomers of this age we are in! These are the ones our LORD is looking for when He returns to us very shortly; such as these: the church of Ephesus heard this from Jesus; 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. But Jesus warned them to return to their first love in verse # five:5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Out of all the seven churches Jesus warned them all but one! Why was this and who was it? It was the church of Philadelphia! The answer to my question is in the very name of this church. The Apostle Paul told us as well as Jesus that when we love our brother as ourselves we have fulfilled all the law which all the prophets and scriptures hang on! Mt.22:36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Let us see what Apostle Paul wrote: Ro.13:8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light: And those found doing these things when our master returns will be found in His Grace and Mercy! They will indeed be overcomers of this world, as required in the book of Revelations:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. 17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. 26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the
Spirit saith unto the churches.Now let us look to chapter three of Revelation: 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. The only church that did not receive a rebuke from our Lord was the Church of Philadelphia; which name means the church of brotherly love! If we do not learn to treat all man-kind as our brothers and to bless them who persecute us; we will not be found in favour of our Lord Jesus; for this love the church of Philadelphia had for the word of their God in full compliance to His every word, Jn.6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life (Mt.4:4 & Lk.4:4). When we abide in Jesus and His word we will be found in His will and only those will be these (Mt.12:46-50 you don't want to be found as one of these people, Mt.12:30-32 who are not in the will of God! For that is the only sin that is not forgivable, which is presumptuous sin, Num.15:32-36! One who disregards the word of God! We need to be overcomers in complete obedience to His Word of eternal life!): Rev.3:10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
I will close with this from Hag.1:
5Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts: Consider your ways!
6Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. Kind of sounds like things going on today doesn't it?
7Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways!
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Rev. G. L. Boyett
Marianne, I agree with you, except for one thing. That is not a mushroom cloud in the picture. What it is, I cannot say. But I agree that it is terrible to support the "rebels" in Syria, which "we" are doing as much as we dare…in some cases promised munitions have not been delivered, but they have been promised, and the gov't must know that many of these people are terrorists. I read a report today that these same terrorists will be facing another way, against Jordan and Israel, when they have mopped up in Syria, and their numbers are predicted to double in the next six months. Many from outside are joining them, as from the Caucasus area.
I am concerned about news from "Before It's News". Typically, it is about something true, but with added untrue material, such as the "mushroom cloud" assertion. If this is how a sky looks some time AFTER a mushroom cloud, then I beg pardon for my own error.
The planned destruction of America past, present, and future, is in every US Currency Note. Check it out.
Thanks for adding this video under this page topic.
It's right before our eyes – yet folks don't see.
The money changers (see court of the Temple, Matthew 12:21) are the ones giving power to The Beast.
I think these money changers are the walking, talking "3rd Eye", which is on the back of the currency standard of the world – The US Dollar.
The 3rd Eye (on the Dollar) is the symbol of the illuminati.
So, when the US goes under and the dollar collapses, the Dragon gives power to the Beast. The Dragon in this case is China.
The Beast is working overtime these days and the world (industrial, G20) are focuses on wealth, materialism and status will gladly follow after The Beast.
Look for another video post on this subject. The objective of the Beast.
Revelation 12:11
All we can do is bless them that despitefully use us just as Jesus our Lord said to do and rely of God to take care of us as our countries motto says "in God we trust", so I suggest praying and fasting! We fight a spiritual battle; our fighting is not of flesh and bone, but the pulling down of strong towers by faith in a working God who listens to prayer of a righteous man with up lifted hands!
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Jim Giordano
It has been prophesied the US will go down into heaps. Are we better than Israel was in 70 AD. Their desolation came upon them for rejecting Christ. They crucified the Word – The rejected all their prophets and killed them.
Our church's today are likened to the Sanhedrin of Israel. Which led their people right into desolation and destruction.
When USA joins up with UN. Its absolutely over for America. That will do away with our Constitution, our Faith will be judged by the UN. Even our population will become subject to UN.
American service men "right now" are being told they cannot attend their Christian church or speak about Jesus Christ – they could sent them to the brig. I just read it last night.
After Grace comes and is rejected then comes Judgment. God Help America.
God bless you Jim – and all br. ty
Distractions from worshipping the Lord;
This will be the Title I'm am talking about, and again that you for your patients. It will be up directlyas soon as the Lord gets finished with me.
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I'm preparing to deliver a prophetic word which the Lord is using me to give, and it is all about Him and what He expects us to being doing form Him in these last days!
He has given me a specific message to relay to everyone I meet, ands I will not be holding one thing back, but I can tell you this we have a loving God and He is saying in these final hours before His coming; He is saying COME TO ME, I AM A LOVING GOD, AND I WILL POUR OUT MY BLESSING ON ALL THOSE WHO ARE FULFILLING MY WILL WHEN I RETURN; WHO ARE WORKING IN MY FIELDS OF HARVEST: FOR THEIR NAMES WILL BE IN THE BOOK OF LIFE;
He has much much more to say and I must be about my Father's business when He returns; just as Jesus was at 12 years of age! If we call ourselves Christians then we must be about our Fathers business; Lk.9:62And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. We have one way to look and that way is at Jesus Christ and His instructions to all His Disciples; Take this message to all nations and we had better be busy preaching, teaching, and most importantly living His holy Words of Life: Jn.6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Jesus is the bread of life which came down from heaven but it is by every word that cometh out of the mouth of God that is going to required to live by, in order to be perfect in His eyes, Mt.5:48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. We were told by scripture the Lord is coming for His bride who has made herself ready, who is without spot or wrinkle, who is blameless! If there was any day in which we live in that we should know without a doubt what is required of our Lord it is today, this very day in which I speak! He has given me a specific message to tell as many as I can; that is why He had me start a blog or web sight or what ever you guys call it, this is not my usual means of preaching and teaching, but I have a word that needs to be heard; He is at the door and ready to come, but He is going to wait for just His time, so that none should be lost! People this is not what I want to do, to preach gloom and doom or try to scare anyone, I'm just telling you He is at the door and waiting for the right time to give Gabriel order to blow the trumpet just as soon as He tells Michael to give the shout and Gabriel has the rams horn to his lips as I speak!
I will go into much more details at my sight the Lord had me to create for His honor and His word and His Glory! The day of judgment is very soon! It is not long before His bride will meet Him in the air, and I'm very sorry to say but Mt.7:14; Mt.20:16; and Mt.22:14 is what to expect, many in that day will say Lord Lord have I not done this and that for you; and He will say those words no one wants ever to hear in their eternal lives; depart from Me you worker of iniquity! My friends I'm trying to give everyone a warning, take heed lest you be found a liar, being deceiving by man's doctrines and teachings of fools, I have much to say and I do not want to take up so much room on another's sight, I beg your forgiveness for improper indicate or how things are done on the Internet, this is not my usual means of bringing the word of our God Jesus Christ! If you want to know more visit me at garylodsway.wordpress.com; As soon as I figure out how to work you tube or whatever it is called I will be posting there very soon in the near future I hope, sorry for being so long hear and taking your time out from your discussion, and thank you for your time!
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I agree with everything you said Marianne except America being Babylon…Babylon is the congregation of the beast kingdom including the one third fallen Christians..
America is the victim of Islam's mahdi Obama…America is/was the strongest country on earth… Islam's madhi could not set up his caliphate unless he controlled America first..This poem I wrote in 2008 says it well…
When anti Christ comes
To lead the world astray.
How will he come
In that fateful last day?
Will he come with a name
Written on the top of his head?
That says, "Worship me
Or you soon will be dead.",
Will he come as a servant,
Or as one lowly in birth?
Or as a United States president,
The most powerful position on earth..
And then he will hold
The world's fate in his hand.
To deceive and coerce,
All that he can..
With words and pictures,
And all ways to deceive,
He will cause the people
In him to believe..
A tree of life and
A kingdom for all,
If only they believe
And follow his call..
Alas, anointed he is not.
And never shall be..
He is appointed like Judas.
And soon, we will all see and be free..
Very good and prophetic poem;
Babylon is the one world order and the beast is the Roman Catholic (Which means Universal) Church the one world church and the antichrist is the pope and I will not even capitalize his title because no man is infallible only the word of God is truth and grace and truth comes by no man but Jesus Christ! Amen? When you see the abomination of desolation standing in the temple of god (not our god but theirs; we are the temple of our heavenly Father's temple as spoken in 1 Cor.3 and chapter 6 and he walks in us if we are truly born-again of water and spirit in His name for there is no other name by which salvation comes but in a correct relationship with Him and His word, Ac.4:12 see Ac.2:38-40ffs!) but before I go off on that rabbit path, I will return to my topic! When you see the abomination of desolation standing in the temple of god (which the pope is doing; he is standing in all authority to the one Catholic Church saying he is god on earth!) Which is the antichrist one who represents all kingdoms and all religions, for this reason the Roman Catholic Church allowed pagan worship and the worship of the sun, moon, and stars, as well as the dead, Mary who the immortalize and teach she also translated back to heaven in her body at death, as well as changing times and seasons, such as the true birth of Christ as well as easter, which is another pagan worship, Jesus fulfilled all of the festivals or feast days in there proper place and at their proper time and the Roman Catholic Church changed all of them to pagan feast days! Even Christmas! Jesus was not born on Dec.25th! Even St. Peter called Rome Babylon, 1 Pt.5:13The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son. The pope who claims to be infallible is the antichrist as one of the very first popes claimed when the elected him to that see.
Babulón: "gate of god(s)," Babylon, a large city situated astride the Euphrates river
Original Word: Βαβυλών, ῶνος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: Babulón
Phonetic Spelling: (bab-oo-lone')
Short Definition: Babylon
Definition: (a) Babylon, the ancient city on the Euphrates, to which the people of Jerusalem, etc., were transported, (b) hence allegorically of Rome, from the point of view of the Christian people.
Do some history of the church studying, but we all know who is the real antichrist and that is Satan which gives the beast and its prophet and he who sits on the seat of authority their power!
Rev. G.L Boyett – I've tried for almost 2 years to tell them just what you say in upper post with Catholic church, pope and all. Good luck trying to convince them of anything. Anti-Christ and all. That was a nice poem 1313 but Catholicism is the unseen Mark of Satan 666 – Its manmade perfect religion that deceives the masses in the whole world. It's agnosticism =knowledge of the tree of death" . Not many know that the Roman Catholic supported the Koran – They called it their Satan bible. When you can see how the Dark ages of Catholicism tortured, abused, imprisoned, raped little children, etc. etc. . Does that sound like radical Islam today. No mercy –
The Mark of the Beast is "Spiritual Character" – being filled with the Holy Spirit of Love. Pharisee had a devilish character and Jesus called them out for it. They were Satan's in sheep's clothing and deceived most all of Israel. Jesus said Satan was like a roaring Lion seeking who he may destroy. And sift you like wheat.
Rev. boyett – Im for you if you can do anything to open minds up on this forum and transform them into the Mind of Christ. The foundation has been set for you. I will be praying for you. bro ty
Chrislam creeping into the church
Here is a link to an interview with a famous mega-church pastor, who is has become an apostate. He is leading people away from the LORD God of Israel, Yahweh, and His son Jesus the Christ, the Jewish Messiah who is revealed in the Bible.
When confronted with his false teaching that Christians and Muslims worship the same god, he dodges the question, dances around it, and avoids giving a straight answer. He won't state the truth, that Allah is NOT the same God as Yahweh the God of Israel. Instead, he speaks with forked tongue, and gives these kind of evasive answers:
"Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims." and
"Christians have a view of God that is unique."
So Rick says that our "view of God" is different- but he won't state that our GOD is different. He is an apostate.
Rick Warren, and other "Evangelical leaders" who signed the "Common Word" document described in this video, are following the false teachings of Paul the Pharisee. [Romans 13:8-10 & Galatians 5:14] You can open you own Bible and see for yourself, this is not out of context.
They are following Paul (or the Beatles- "all you need is love") rather than following Jesus when they summarize everything in ONE commandment,
"Loving God and Neighbor Together."
But Jesus summed up the Law and the Prophets with TWO commandments, not one.
[Matthew 22:34-40 & Mark 12:28-34]
So will you follow the PAULS like Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Richard Mouw, and the Crystal Cathedral former pastor? Or will you FIRST listen to the words of Jesus recorded by the Gospel writers, and follow Jesus?
Jesus said, "seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." [Matthew 6:33]
The anti-Christ will be so close to the real thing just like Judas and Jesus . One an anti-Christ the other was Christ – Jesus knew that.
Esau and Jacob were brothers one a anti-Christ the other Jacob a believer and God changed His name to Israel.
Cain and Abel were brothers in the very first church with covenant of blood. Cain had no revelation that sin was a blood problem. That caused sin.
But Abel knew it was the Blood that sin came through. Not flowers and potatoes ,or grain,.
In the Garden was the "tree of Life" = Eternal life
In the Garden was also the "tree of death" by carnal knowledge =eternal death.
Twins like Jacob and Esau. And Cain and Abel. That is how close the anti-Christ will be to real Christianity in the last days. So close that Jesus said it would deceive the very "elected" if it were possible. But its not possible to the real elect because they have a Revelation of truth given by Jesus through the Holy Ghost and Jesus said we "Know all things".
Thank you Jesus for you truths and revelations of the dispensations of time. We are now out of the church ages and "Raised up" into the Throne room where Christ and Wife are Husband and wife.
Do we understand the Love of Christ will bring Marriage. In this life.
Unbelief and doubt will marry their spouse and they will be sifted like wheat by their love of the "knowledge" of satan . Men "loved Darkness" more than the light .
bro ty
Hi Tom,
I agree with you that "The anti-Christ will be so close to the real thing just like Judas and Jesus ."
Here are some examples of what the voice of the Antichrist will sound like:
1) I became your father. Therefore I urge you to imitate me. My way of life agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church. [1 Corinthians 4]
2) Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment. [1 Corinthians 5]
3) Everything is permissible for me. [1 Corinthians 6]
4) I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. [1 Corinthians 9]
5) I plead with you brothers, become like me, for I became like you. [Galatians 4]
6) Let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus. [Galatians 6]
7) Join with others in following my example, brothers. [Philippians 3]
8) Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me – put it into practice. [Philippians 4]
9) Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. [Colossians 1]
10) Though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith in Christ is. [Colossians 2]
11) We command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example.
OOPS! These words are already in our Bibles- they are the voice of Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed Apostle and self-proclaimed "Apostle to the Gentiles."
Whose voice will you listen to FIRST? The voice of the PAULS?
or the Voice of Lord Jesus the Christ, the Jewish Messiah, the Son of Yahweh the God of Israel?
Jesus included us Gentiles too when He said:
"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to MY VOICE, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd." [John 10:16]
Tom & Matthew, I agree with what you both state. Islam is the enemy of Israel and is devoted to Israel's destruction and killing all the Jews. Islam is the religion of Satan. It's number is 666. The aim of Islam is world domination. Babylon is Babylon in Iraq or Old Testament Persia. Babylon has been rebuilt and will become the HQ of the coming antichrist system/Islam. After 9/11 God called on the US/Ephraim to knock Islam back to the stone age but the liberals in Bush's government prevented that from happening. President Bush and the the Secretary of State both got memos from a child of God telling them what God wanted them to do. Look what happened in WW II, Germany and Japan got flattened, do they want to start another war? No! The same should of happened in the Middle East, flatten a couple of cities and the fear of God would have gone into the Moslems. The US failed. Now we see the US pulling out of the Middle East and President Obama telling Israel they must go back to the 1949 borders which means Israel capitulates to Islam and surrenders Jerusalem to Islam. The KJV Bible tells me at this stage it will not happen. I would suggest time is running out for President Obama and his archilles heel is Obamacare. Maybe now the court case confirming his alien status will move forward. God's hand is against Obama and Kerry, wait, and we will see God at work. Stop listening to false prophets and start reading what the Bible says. Take your eyes off Catholicism and watch out for Islam. President Obama stated to the UN that the US would be an Islamic state by 2016! Check what an Islamic terrorist turned Christian has to say on Islam at: "Shoebat Foundation". Possibly the most evil country is Saudi Arabia who financed the 9/11 terrorists, who finance most of the terrorism around the world and who are building Mosques in every Western country, these Mosques are training centres for Jijhad. Now go and try and build a Christian church in Saudi Arabia or just stand on the main street and hand out Bibles and see how long you live! Wake up Christians, the enemy is Islam, not Rome! You have been deluded by false preachers. God bless those who understand prophecy.
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Greetings in the wonderful name of Yeshua to Marianne and all her followers in the Body of Yeshua,
I am honored and pleased to announce the final release of my Israel-centered last-days prophetic research of Revelation 13, 666, and Daniel's 70th Week/Great Tribulation – a 2-Part series called "Sealed Till the Time of the End" which was 7 years in the making.
Part 1 reveals the identity of the last-days beast empire, which is NOT the Roman Catholic church/religion – and I prove it from the WORD and the historical record – hence we have all been looking in the wrong direction. My research compliments the wonderful works of Islamic expositors Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson, and Joel has in fact provided me with a glowing endorsement for Part 1. This book includes a never-before-performed biblical study on 666 revealing many astounding details. It also reveals the Mark and Name of the Beast, and so much more.
Part 2 contains 17 evidences (including 3 scientific) for the year 6000 and its year on the Gregorian calendar, and the TIMING of the prophecies in Rev 13, Daniel 9, the Great Tribulation, the abomination of desolation, Yeshua's return, the marriage feast, and beyond. These events are intimately tied to the constellation patterns and their precise cycles, the scheduled sun eclipses and tetrad blood red moons due on 1 Nisan, Passover and Succot 2014/2015 (initially discovered by Ps. Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries in 2008 – my research adds further details), the Jewish Feasts of Yom Kippur, the 8 days of Passover, Succot, and Hanakah, and an Islamic feast. I also prove from the Word that it is definitely NOT a sin to speculate and ask of the Lord for the timing of these things – brought about by the violation of the Law of Context. The previous 224 false predictions of the last days since Yeshua's ascension were based on out of context verses and many unresearched and unsubstantiated claims, which are in stark contrast to my research. Also included in Part 2 is a big study on the alternate places to Petra for the remnant in Israel to flee (Petra is only a theory which began in the 1920's), how to get to them and how much time is available to get there. The 666 study is also completed from a time period angle which proves beyond a doubt my findings from Part 1 are indeed correct.
To view my research go to my author site: http://deborahstearn.authorweblog.com.
May you be truly blessed by my work, and draw closer to our Messiah who is due to return much sooner than we ever dared to imagine.
Sincerely, Deborah Jean Stearn.
dear Deborah
Best wishes on your work, and may many benefit from all your research.
18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Those who do not know the Father is the Son of man and Lord of All, Ac.10:36 are they that went out from amoung us and have left all righteousness in their practices with burnings at the stake and well as the protestants and the Lutheran' s to the Anabaptist's, Mennonites, were they were wll know to drown them and call it the third baptism! Just as the rest of the Trinitarians! Zech.14:9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Just as Gal.3:20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Mt.1: 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. As shown in the Old Testament: Is.7:14; Is 40:3The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Who did John the Baptist make a way for? It was God with us not the secound person of some man made Trinity by a man made council of Nicolaitanes, which comes from the Niko, to conquer, to over throw, and Laos, the people or laity. These things Jesus hates, this is exactly what the Apostle Paul was warning the Ephesus elders about before he went to Jerusalem in Ac.20: 17And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
18And when they were come to him, he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons,
19Serving the LORD with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:
20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but havehewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,
21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
22And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there:
23Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
25And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
36And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all.
37And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him,
38Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him unto the ship.
Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Luke accurately recorded Paul's boastful exaggerated self-promoting testimony: "31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. "
But Luke also make an accurate record of the truth in Acts 19:8-10. Paul was really only there for two years and three months, approximately. Please open your Bible and read it for yourself.
Paul exaggerated and stretched the truth about himself. In the same speech to the Ephesian elders, Paul falsely implies that the Holy Spirit was compelling him to go to Jerusalem. Any 7th grade student can read Luke's accurate record in Acts 19:21-Acts 22:21, and see that Paul was not telling the truth about himself here.
If you can't bear to admit that Paul was lying, at least agree on the truth that Paul was clearly in the wrong here, and his journey of Jerusalem was a journey of clear disobedience to God. He may have been bound in spirit by an evil spirit, but neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit compelled Paul to go to Jerusalem- in fact, just the opposite is clearly true, if you read Luke's text.
First of all Luke wrote what the Holy Spirit told Him to write and there are many things that were not recorded in the bible that Jesus did that if they were all recorded would fill the earth as recorded by John as wee see in Jn.21:25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. so with this being said we cannot find fault with scripture because all scripture is Holy Spirit inspired as we see in Paul's writings also: 2 Tm.3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
So with this said just because Paul said one thing about his length of being called to those regions starting Churches which the Holy Spirit made him over seer of does not mean Luke spoke out of turn nor does it mean Paul was exaggerating! Luke was not a true Historian, he was a doctor doing the best he could in that day and age, trying to heal people who were sick, and as well trying to convert as many as he could to Christianity as well, Luke was also a painter! He made some of the earliest painting of Mary and of the Lord Jesus as well (I can only guess were these artifacts could be found, but I bet it sit on top of seven hills!); along with many other things he was working in. Peter said it best: 2 Pt.3:15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
So with all this understood we cannot go about saying the word of God contradicts itself or you are saying God is a liar, and if ever scripture is the Holy Spirit's inspiration then we had better not make any false accusation, and if our understanding of the sacred scripture does not line up to our understanding then who is wrong God's word or we who are trying to understand it! For this reason we need to be baptized in the holy Spirit with evidences realized in Ac.11:15-18 that was shown to be the proof of the Holy Spirit's baptism which all of them had received in the upper room; for this reason they praised God and said that the gentiles has received the Holy Spirit the same as they had! For this reason we all must be baptized in the Holy Spirit just as Jesus said: Jn.3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. These are those who are born not of man but of God; Jn.1:12-13! It takes the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truths which some are hidden in the scriptures and some are in Chronological order some are not! Just because Luke said one thing does not make it a lie nor does it make Paul a liar which is blaspheme of the written word of God given to us to say that it contains liars in it, because the Holy Bible is by the inspiration of God which is Spirit according to Jesus, Jn.4:24 and there is but one Holy and a Spirit which is the Holy Spirit which is God the Father which was in Jesus Christ, Jn.14:6-9 ffs and there is only one blasphemy clause in the Bible which is the word of God. So I think I would step real lightly when I would say the Lord's Apostle was a liar I refer you to Mt.12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. And these verses here: 48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Our job is to life up the glorious name of Jesus Christ our Saviour and to win the lost to Christ, not trey and find fault with His word! or His Anointed and Ordained! We are to allow the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truths as He said to do which Is.28 revealed to us as well: 9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Only those who have been baptized in the Holy Spirit have the correct interpreter to translate (Exegesis) the word of God being He wrote it, and it will be here and there and in different places He will lead you to find how it is all put together correctly as He wants it revealed to you, but it will never contradict itself anywhere if it does I will assure you that we have the Wong interpretation of what we are trying to understand, scripture will never be in error, God's word is irrefutable and in errant! And with this said all scripture if correctly understood will always give Glory to God and so will we if we understand it correctly,not try to find fault with it!
Lord's Way Ministries
Rev. G. L. Boyett
Dear Rev. G.L. Boyett,
With all due respect to you and your opinions… after reading what you wrote, the words of an old song of my generation came to mind… "he talks a lot, but he doesn't say anything" [Talking Heads]
I've quoted chapter and verse, documenting 2 of Paul's specific sins, which are accurately recorded in the Bible by Luke. We see many specific sins accurately recorded in the Bible- David's adultery & murder, Peter denying 3 times that he knew Jesus, etc. etc.
Are you saying that Paul is always "the exception?" If Paul did something it must have been right? If Paul testified about himself it must be true, even if Paul has no other witnesses in his favor, but he has witnesses against him in the Bible? Are you saying that Paul is the only man in all history whose testimony does not need to be established by the testimony of 2 or 3?
Also you referred to Paul as "the Lord's Apostle."
Can you quote me chapter and verse where Jesus called Paul an Apostle? Or where any of the original Apostles called Paul an Apostle? Or even where ANY New Testament author (besides Paul himself) referred to Paul individually in any way as an "apostle?" (Note I said individually. If you want to quote Acts 14, we will also need to look at Acts chapters 1. 6. 9, 13 & 15.)
I'm a "Jesus Person"- not the original crew, but the next wave. What about you?
Ac.9: 15But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
I think if Jesus told Ananias that Pual was a chosen vessel, plus Paul's seein Jesus as one born out of due time :1 Cor.15:8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. As had the rest of the Apostles, and those who had seen the Lord gave to Paul as well as Barnabus the right hand of fellowship! Why can't you have fellowship with one of those who were called of Jesus?
Dear Rev. G.L. Boyett,
Since you've been silent in the face of the facts I've presented from the text of the Bible, I have to conclude that you have no way to disagree with these 3 points:
1) Paul exaggerated his ministry in Ephesus, claiming to be there working hard for 3 years, when really he was only there about 2 years and 3 months, (according to Luke who recorded both the actual duration of Paul's ministry there, and also recorded Paul's self-serving boasting.)
2) Jesus told Paul to get out of Jerusalem, and the Holy Spirit told Paul to stay out of Jerusalem. But Paul ignored them, clearly disobeyed God, stubbornly insisted on going to Jerusalem anyway, and justified his trip by leading people to falsely believe that he was going to Jerusalem compelled by the Holy Spirit.
3) Neither Jesus, nor the original Apostles, nor any other New Testament author (except Paul himself) ever identified Paul as "an apostle" or said or wrote that Paul was appointed an apostle, or had "apostleship" or apostolic authority. Only Paul made these claims about himself.
You quoted two passages above. From Acts 9, where Paul is referred to as a "chosen vessel." Every single true Christian is a "chosen vessel", not just Paul. I'm a chosen vessel too. Chosen vessel does not mean Apostle. And, you quoted 1 Corinthians 15, which is Paul writing about himself. Paul does not have a single other witness in his claim to be "an apostle."
Paul did not know what an Apostle was. He used the term liberally, and redefined the word to include himself as an apostle in the elite top level, indirectly usurping the throne of Matthias. By the time Luke wrote Acts, Paul's liberal re-definition of what "apostle' meant had already taken root in the churches due to all of Paul's self-promoting propaganda in his letters.
(And the current dictionary definitions of "apostle" are based on Paul's re-definition- not based on the words and actions of Jesus and the original Apostles recorded in the Bible.)
Therefore, Luke carefully laid out what a "true Apostle" was in Acts chapters 1, 6, 9, 13, & 15. There are only 12 Apostles and the 12th is Matthias. But in a slight accommodation to Paul's liberal redefinition of the term, Luke made passing reference to "the apostles Barnabas and Paul" in Acts 14. That way, people would realize that even if they accepted Paul's re-definition of the term "apostle", Paul was not on the same level of authority as "The Twelve."
Other than Paul himself, no one anywhere in the Bible ever referred to Paul individually as an apostle in any way. That is simply a fact regarding the text of the Bible that no one can deny. So it seems we are in agreement- right?
You see Jesus said you would know them by their fruits, St. John said those who are not of the truth are liars; those who do not abide in the truth as given and handed down by the Apostles are the antichrist and there are many antichrists in the world, not just the Roman Catholic Church; I not just picking on them; we have to come to know our church history and know who did what to who! As far back as my research goes the only true theologically correct church in history that I saw recorded or what ever is left of books and writings of others which were hidden away from the burnings of the Churches back then to all those who they considered heretics, were the Anabaptist who owned nothing personally but of a collective body of believers would purchase only enough property to have their communities and farm land enough to farm quietly among themselves and worship the Lord our God and to win souls! They were hunted down persecuted just as Jesus said the true Church would be; so I will tell you who lines up the closest to the word of God and not man's word but the Apostles word and the word of our Lord and God, Jesus Christ will be the true church of God which He purchased with His own blood as we see in Ac.20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. This will be the true Apostolic Church of God built and rules over by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself no one else! Mt.7:12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Jesus Christ is that rock we either keep to His word only or find ourselves to be fighting God just as the Sanhedrin did as Gamaliel said to them in Acts chapter 5:34Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; 35And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. 36For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. 37After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. 38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. 40And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. This was in fact one of the wisest moves they could have done! Lk.20:17And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 19And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
Year after year the Roman Catholic Church persecuted the true Church of the loving, Living, God! Due your due diligence and study and show yourself approved rightly dividing the word of God as Paul instructed Timothy in 2 Tm.2:15 but it takes more that just studying Bible it takes research as to what all church es have done, only the true church of the one Lord, one faith, who has the correct one baptism according to the Apostles plan not man's but God's anointed and Ordained (Jn.15:1-*16*-20!) Holy Ghost filled Apostles had any authority at all, and it was given to them by Jesus Christ!
I often wondered why Jesus made a big deal about numbering the fish that was left in the net that was full grown and mature in the last chapter of John. Jn.21:11Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken. I remembered what the Lord said Ask and it will be given you, Mt.7:7-8 so I asked; this is what He gave to me: The Lord said there were seventy that went into Egypt that grew to be a nation, which is represented of the seventy Palm trees and the 12 wells at where they camped in Ex.15:27And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters. These things are symbolic for other things as well! Just like the seventy disciples who Jesus sent out at the first to prepare the way to the towns in which He was going to visit, Just like today He has given us signs as to His coming in His word! Now you have 70+70=140 leaves 13, to this Jesus added this commit, "I told Peter and the rest of the disciples to go to Jerusalem and wait there until they were endowed with power from on high, Lk.24:49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. These things Peter did not do because he is Peter and Peter is always anxious and in a hurry, Only I can Ordain My Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Preachers and Teachers, as well as the rest of my Grace I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, (Ex.33:19), I had known who I wanted to have as the 12 th Apostles to replace Judas and it is as you suspected it was Saul of Tarsus he was to be the 12 th but Peter had called for a Lot to be taken, that which was done was done of man and not of Myself, for this reason Matthias' Apostleship was never heard of again in the record of My churches! So you have 70+70+13= 153 full grown and mature fish ready for the Lord's service to go out and spread the net of my word to catch the world and whosoever that will receive Me and My Love, and Remission of sin. Does a Church resemble their heavenly Father and all His teachings? God is Love and In Him is no unrighteousness! I once read a story about a Cardinal who was asked once what the soldiers should do with all the captives of a city that they had captured, all the women, children and old men that were left, and the Cardinal said, "Kill them all! The Lord will sort them out!" Massacre at Béziers! We need to know our histories and who we will belong to! My Lord says do no evil thinking a good may come out of it: we are to repay evil with kindness and win them over with good, and I will only use one verse to prove this, Ro.12:21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. That is my Lord simple direct even a child can get it, it is man that has the problem of obedience to His word! For this reason Jesus said the greatest in His kingdom will be a child because of their simplicity and loving kind innocent heart, with acceptance for what they are to receive!
God is Love and only those who say they are His will show only love and no other quality will enter into His Kingdom, forgive your brothers and sisters and let Love rule you and reign or you are none of His yet still!
Dear Rev. G.L. Boyett,
I take exception to your statement above:
"I had known who I wanted to have as the 12 th Apostles to replace Judas and it is as you suspected it was Saul of Tarsus he was to be the 12 th but Peter had called for a Lot to be taken, that which was done was done of man and not of Myself, for this reason Matthias' Apostleship was never heard of again in the record of My churches!
What can you tell be about Thaddaeus' Apostleship?
Parable of the 12 heavenly chalkboards
What is a common analogy for a permanent decision?
"Written in stone."
What could be more permanent than that?
How about written in stone in heaven (in other words, for eternity.)
And what kind of a stone is the most solid, permanent, and unchangeable?
Perhaps a foundation stone?
The Book of Revelation written by the Apostle John, chapter 21 verse 14 says… [Please open our own Bible and look it up for yourself.]
Parable of the 12 heavenly chalkboards
Imagine "Wackyjesus" in "Wackyheaven", built on the foundations of 12 chalkboards:
"Matthias, you should have developed your skills in writing and public speaking. Your name never appears in the Bible after your appointment as the 12th Apostle in Acts 1. [erase erase erase]
Actually, the same is true for you Thaddaeus, after you were appointed. You should have hired a PR firm to promote your name and make if famous. [erase erase erase]
Of course, you both are specifically mentioned in Acts 6:2. "So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together." And this is before Saul/Paul is even mentioned. But let us not confuse the issue with facts. Paul did a much better job of marketing himself, and he wrote about himself hundreds of times. Share of voice equals share of mind. And most Evangelical pastors who read the Bible spend most of their time listening to the voice of Paul, so they become "like Paul." But I digress…
James, we had a good run. I didn't think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. [erase erase erase]
Oh well. Wow, they're dropping like flies. Now I've got 3 slots open. I'd better buy a case of chalk and some more erasers. I'll have to change the names on these 12 chalkboards hundreds of times in the next couple of millennia.
I guess I had better plan ahead, and save a slot for the last Pope, Francis. And the head Mormon Apostle. And I need to save a throne for my mom, or she'll be mad. And one for Muhammad too. Who needs truth in relationship, when I can quickly get market share, and totally dominate the market, through mergers and acquisitions?
And one throne for that other guy named Peter. When he was younger, he used to have the great theological insight about territorial spirits and wrestling with dark angels. What was his last name? Begins with a consonant. Sounds almost like he was in the personal transportation industry back in "sword and sandal epic" days… "Peter Charioteer?" Maybe not. This isn't the "fullest" description of him, but it's full enough. Anyway, I should save a throne for him too."
So what is the application of this parable?
Beware of the NAR whale – it's really a killer whale with a man-made horn strapped on top. The only place in the New Testament that mentions anything like "Seven Mountains" is Revelation 17, "seven hills on which the woman sits." (The Great Prostitute, that is.) Rome is the city that sits on seven hills, the perfect place for Peter the Roman, the New World Pope for the New World Order, to replace the original Apostle Peter in the apostate church of the Antichrist.
Rev. G. L. Boyett -Matthew Perri –
What is the main point in your post ? That men have weakness and God still uses them – I can except that amen – But in my weakness I am made strong cause I have to Have Jesus Christ – the Holy Spirit in my Soul and body to become strong.
Peter's Rock was the "Revelation" =faith of who Jesus was. The Son of God . And the gates of hell shall not prevail over that "revelation".
Moses was the man in his day. He wrote of himself – that he was the meekest man on earth. Oh what a heady mind he had. But it was the Holy Spirit that told him what to write. Moses started the Nation of Israel.
Paul was used of God in the same way – Starting the Gentile Revelation of Jew and Gentile. All the Gospels is just writings of what Jesus did and said. But Paul is the one who interpreted and had the "REVELATION" of the Mystery of Christ. Paul's writing are about 1/3 rd. of New Testament.
EPH. 4:8- Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave GIFTS unto men.
EPH. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
EPH 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
EPH.4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the FULNESS of Christ:
God uses man – Jesus was a Man. His body was flesh and bone and God stepped into it. The Lord said a "body shall I prepare" for Himself to step into it. All God inside a human flesh body. The first born of all Creation the Alpha and Omega.
COL 1:25- Whereof I am made a minister, according to the DISPENSATION of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; = "to the Next generation of Jew and Gentile believers"
COL 1:26- Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
COL 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
COL 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every MAN PERFECT in Christ Jesus:
Lord bless you both — bro ty
Dear Rev. G.L. Boyett,
What can you tell us about Thaddaeus' Apostleship?
My main point was:
I take exception to your statement above:
"I had known who I wanted to have as the 12 th Apostles to replace Judas and it is as you suspected it was Saul of Tarsus he was to be the 12 th but Peter had called for a Lot to be taken, that which was done was done of man and not of Myself, for this reason Matthias' Apostleship was never heard of again in the record of My churches!"
What can you tell us about Thaddaeus' Apostleship?
The Apostle Thaddaues was never heard of again anywhere in the Bible after he was appointed by Jesus as Apostle. Does that mean Jesus made a mistake in appointing Thaddaues?
I quoted "The Rev's" post above-
(Rev. G. L. Boyett said this on October 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm)
What I quoted from "the Rev" is about 17 lines up from the bottom of his post, and I disagree with his idea.
In his post, "The Rev" put forth the idea that Paul is the rightful 12th Apostle and it was a mistake to appoint Matthias. The "proof" that "the Rev" offers to show that Matthias was a mistake is,
" Matthias' Apostleship was never heard of again in the record of My churches!" according to "The Rev."
To which I respond- what can you tell me about Thaddaeus' Apostleship? Thaddaeus was appointed by Jesus as one of the Twelve, according to [Matthew 10 & Mark 3]. Luke the gentile refers to the same man as "Judas son of James" [Luke 6 & Acts 1]
Both men ARE specifically referred to in Acts 6:2 where Luke mentions "The Twelve." But their names are not mentioned. (This is before Luke wrote anything at all about Paul.)
Try doing a word search for Matthias or Thaddaeus in the Bible. They were qualified to be Apostles according to the definition of Jesus and the original Apostles, since they had been with Jesus since the beginning. But they didn't go around promoting themselves and writing letters referring to themselves hundreds of times like Paul did.
(The Apostle Peter gives a general overview indicating what an Apostle is in Acts 1. This is in harmony with Jesus, and with all other New Testament authors EXCEPT PAUL.) Paul had his own opinions about apostles, and that he was one, but no one else in the pages of the Bible agreed with Paul's opinions about apostles.
To simply say "Paul was an apostle because he said so, and if you disagree you're a heretic" is essentially the same attitude as Muslims: "Muhammad was the prophet because he said so, and if you disagree you're a heretic."
But our Lord Jesus, the Messiah and Son of God, reminded us of the Law of Moses- "Let every matter be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." [Deuteronomy 19:15, Matthew 18:16
The mistake that the Apostles made were wrong. Trying to "vote in" and make an Apostle out of someone who Christ did not appoint as an Apostle. That is exactly what is wrong with the modern church today. They send them to their own schools and then send them out to be Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Pastors, and Evangelist and they were not chosen for that office at all.
The Lord knew who would be His Apostle to write 1/3 of the New Testament. He knows the beginning from the End always. God does not make a wrong decision but men do even when they are good righteous men they must do it Gods way.
This passage is what motivates most "denominations" which were things that Jesus hated – systems of men voting in men. Nothing but Politics that will always turn into Evil.
Jesus said
. REV. 2:6- But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the NICOAITANS , which I also hate. Nico= Conquer the Laity= 1st horse rider.
REV. 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
REV2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the NICOLAITANS , which thing I hate.
REV. 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword = Word – of my mouth.
It is men over men that God hates – and we are seeing the final destruction of man ruling man today in the evil world. Were are in Satan's Eden right now because of Men following their own way.
God does all the choosing for all His bride and places them in the body as it pleases HIM. When God makes you a ear and you want to be a mouth you had better stay an ear. Are you our out of place in the body. Paul explains it real easy.
bro ty
Thank you at least some one got it! I explain more at garylordsway.wordpress.com, thanks again!
I agree with you that the practice of "modern churches today" who "make an Apostle out of someone" is wrong. But what you have yet not realized is that "modern churches today" are simply following the bad example of Paul the Pharisee.
Paul was "not chosen for that office at all." There are only 12 Apostles, Matthias is the 12th, and the only Apostle who was ever removed was Judas Iscariot.
IF YOU LISTEN TO JESUS, rather than listen to the voice of Paul, you will realize that no one ever made Paul an apostle, and there are no apostles today, nor will there be any more in the future. [Revelation 21:14]
Only 3 of the 12 true Apostles wrote Scripture as far as I know- Matthew, John, and Peter. Do you want to kick out the other 9 Apostles and replace them with Paul, just because Paul wrote a lot of letters? Writing was not a requirement for being an Apostle according to Jesus.
garylordsway –
YOU SAID – Consider your Lord, that as He walked, so it shall be for you. There shall be need of great ""intensity of purpose"".
MY THOUGHT – I agree amen – yes indeed PURPOSE and INTENSITY birth a strong desire for Truth if you really Love Jesus Christ. You will personally search the scriptures not just take a mans word for it. That is what the Holy Spirit does is "take us into all truth" it is the power that "guides us to all truth". Yet the Holy Spirit gives gifts unto men. = The 5 fold ministry. To perfect the body of Christ. I'm of Paul, I'm of Cephas, I'm of Christ . I'm of Christ can also be a snare or a deceiving spirit. Not being able to catch the eye of a SEER. An Apostle or Prophet for our day – That lay the "foundation of the True Message for the age they live in. God does nothing till he reveals it to Prophets first -Amos 3:7 Prophets are "Son of Man" office.
God chose Moses to lead the children of Israel out of bondage of their World and system of Pharaoh's they were slaves to.
BACK TO Purpose and intensity – It births whatever you love the most. Truth and Love becomes your purpose in life if you Love Jesus Christ. So much that you will search it out like the Apostles did. Like Luther did, Wesley did, Branham did. Great men of God in their generations and ages.
Anything that would seduce, cause lust, or just the waste of time is not good in Gods sight. I would be really worried if I did not have a Taste for the Word of truth everyday of my life. But it is and was Christ that motivated them and placed them in their calling. Signs and wonder do not mean much without a MESSAGE after it. That's how we detect false prophets from the real Prophets. Intellectuals without the Spirit are the most that deceive the people with their systems of men. Just as in Jesus day the Scribes and Pharisees would led you to convert and make you a 7 fold child fit for hell more than when you was a sinner.
YOU SAID – The truths that I have revealed to you must become a part of you, not just an experience, but a part of your VERY NATURE –
MY THOUGHT – The Nature is the Spirit of your soul. Nature is Character.
The Mark of the Beast is your Character Image if you love the World
The Mark of the Christ is your Character Image if you Love His Kingdom.
I have tried my best to "reveal" this to people all my life especially believers. The majority does not see it or believe it. They do not understand if you living in the World then you are "buying" into Satan's scheme and are lost because you love the world more that Jesus Christ making you not worthy of HIS Kingdom.
YOU SAID – Many shall experience the truth, but the truth must become a part of you-your very life.
MY THOUGHT – Yes indeed -As my statement above of Who's Mark and Character is like shows what Kingdom they of. The Worlds Kingdom or Christ Kingdom -.
Lord bless – bro. ty
The supposed "The 5 fold ministry" is man's idea. Specifically, it's entirely based on Paul's mistaken idea of what an apostle is. According to standard of the words and actions of Jesus and the original Apostles, Paul was not an Apostle.
Paul was the self-appointed "apostle" and self-proclaimed "Apostle to the Gentiles" in his own mind- but no one else in the pages of the Bible agreed with Paul on that.
Paul even made up a new word- "Apostleship" – which only appears 2 times in my Bible, both times in letters written by Paul. [Romans 1:9 & 1 Corinthians 9:2]
In the Bible, (as I already stated above:)
Jesus never said Paul was an apostle.
The original Apostles never said Paul was an apostle.
Other than Paul's words about himself, no one anywhere in the Bible ever said or wrote, in any way, anything about Paul individually being an apostle.
(If you want to discuss Acts 14, we need to start with Acts chapters 1, 6, 9, 13, & 15 to understand the context and meaning of what Luke wrote in Acts 14- and what Luke did not write.)
I think it was Adolph Hitler who said: "If you repeat a lie loudly enough, often enough, people believe it."
You believe Paul was appointed an Apostle because…. Paul said so, many times. With no witnesses to back him up, but rather witnesses against Paul in the Bible itself.
You are "begging the question" saying that Paul was an apostle, because you are using Paul's false definition of the word "apostle", and Paul's unsupported testimony about himself, rather then looking to the words and actions of Jesus and the Original Apostles for your definition. (Our modern dictionaries are also based primarily on Paul's definition, the ideas of a man, rather than being based on what Jesus said and did.)
You have made Paul into an idol. You are following Paul rather than following Jesus. Please open up your New Testament and see for yourself.
Perhaps you are overlooking the rather obvious fact that Paul wrote what God inspired him to write. (2 Tim 3:16)
"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope"….I Tim 1:1
God deemed Paul to be the foremost evangelist, and inspired author of the Greek scriptures; the acknowledgement of which does constitute idolatry, but rather, acknowledgement of the magnitude of his commission, and in no way detracts from the the pre-eminence and stature of the One who appointed him.
……Another pointless debate about words leading to strife!
You just quoted Paul writing about himself. Let every matter be established by the testimony of 2 or three witnesses. Open your New Testament and quote Book, chapter, and verse where anyone BESIDES PAUL said Paul was appointed an Apostle.
And although God did make Paul "an evangelist" and "a writer", God never "deemed Paul to be the foremost evangelist" anywhere except in his own mind.
Correction to the above: Should read :"does not constitute"
Matt perri
The first 12 is disciples and not apostles. Thoose that was choosen after the disciples is Apostles. The Gospel teach us that they are around 70 people including the disciples. Paul is the greatest Apostle and Peter is the greatest disciple.
It is so simple to understand. If you are a messianic Jew and don't like that he stopped the holy Torah then soon you will be happy because Yeshoua is soon here and we have contact with him in my Church and he will come from the planet Nibiru soon. He will say all people who belongs to his father must obey Torah from his time when it starts. this means all Christian men must be circumcised. Paul just stopped Torah for 2000 years and he had the right to do it. I am obeying Torah which means no pizza with meat, no tacos witch cheese and no cheeseburger and no mixing wirt milk and meat. You are not allowed to buy meat in the stores since it is not kosher, it has blood in it. I have known this things for a while and I have been circumcised, I don't cut my beard or hair, I don't eat meat, praying the Shema twice every day. I walk around with zitzits, tefillin and kippah everytime I go out and I have the shema written on my doorposts.
Soon it is other peoples turn to live like I do.
yevarekhekha Adonai veyishmerekha
yaeir Adonai panav eleykha vichuneka
yissa Adonai panav eleykha veyaseim lekha
I think it is easier if we write Aron blessing in english.
Numbers 6:24-26 24
The LORD bless thee, and keep thee;
The LORD make His face to shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee;
The LORD lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee peace
Not Gospels I meant New Testament.
Matthew Perri
I have heard your doctrine all the way back to the late 60's when the "Free love movement' called the Jesus Movement started. They said the same thing you do. They loved Jesus as long as they did not have to change their ways. So Apostle Paul's writing had to go. He was just a man that did not know very much and he had an attitude problem. You sound just like them. You are to late to convince me of the fact that Paul was a CHOSEN vessel.
Have you not read the Word of God where all of Gods children are Chosen Vessels for Him. Christ is our Alpha and Omega. Chosen before the foundation of the world
EPH. 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the GIFT OF CHRIST – each mans gift is from GOD = grace and power
EPH. 4: 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and GAVE GIFTS unto men.
EPH. 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that HE also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
EPH. 4:10- HE that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
EPH 4:11 And HE gave=Christ– some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Without having a Apostle or Prophet you can forget about pastors and teachers and evangelists – cause their would be NO MESSAGE to preach. Its always Apostles= sent ones and Prophets = who lay the foundation for all Messages from God
John the Baptist came with a Message before People ever heard of Jesus Christ. On and on and on. For you to put a Apostle out of the Bible with your own interpretation is a very serious action my friend.
bro. ty
Thank you so much for sharing some of your insight and experience. Your post was a great blessing to me, and it gave me an overflowing sense of joy and laughter. And, I agree wholeheartedly with some of your points.
I agree with you that: "all of Gods children are Chosen Vessels for Him." That includes Paul, and me, and all true followers of Jesus, probably you too. (I'm not so sure about "Assertio Septum" here…) But "chosen vessel" does not mean "Apostle."
Other than Paul's words about himself, no one in the Bible ever said that Paul was "an apostle." It's a statement of fact about the New Testament text. No one in the world has refuted that- because they can't.
Paul's opinions about "apostles" are different than everyone else in the New Testament, including Jesus and the Original 12 Apostles. This is another statement of fact from the New Testament text. Just get a concordance and look up where the word "apostle" and related words appear, and you can see that.
Paul redefined the word "apostle" to include himself in this elite top category. But according to the definition of Jesus and the Original Apostles, there are only 12 Apostles, with Matthias permanently replacing Judas Iscariot as the 12th.
Here is a source you can probably relate to:
The Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, edited by Walter A. Elwell. (Baker Books) under "Apostle", page 71:
It says in part:
"Evidently the college of apostles was regarded as fixed in number, for Jesus spoke of twelve thrones in the coming age (Matthew 19:28; cf Revelation 21:14). Judas was repaced by Matthias (Acts 1), but after that no effort was made to select men to succeed those who were taken by death (Acts 12:2).
In your post here, giving your own interpretation of what an "apostle" is, you quote only one source- Paul, in his letter to the Ephesians chapter 4. You don't quote Jesus, or any of the Original Apostles.
You just "beg the question" and accept Paul's self-serving definition of "apostle" without examination, discussion, or comparing Paul's words with the words of everyone else in the New Testament- including Jesus.
Jesus didn't say that "apostles = sent ones". That is not the primary meaning of the word according to JESUS, although it is a secondary meaning. That is a modern dictionary definition, based on Paul's human idea, not based on the words of Jesus.
If you say that Matthias was not the 12th Apostle, it is YOU who "put an Apostle out of the Bible with your own interpretation." You accept Paul's interpretation alone, rather than the words of Jesus, (which also agree with the Original Apostles.) You are following Paul rather than following Jesus.
I cannot speak to your personal experience with people from the "Jesus Movement" in the late 60's (who may have been hypocrites.) It was before my time- I came of age in the 80's, and met Jesus personally in the 90's, and I knew virtually nothing about "The Jesus Movement" until years after that. As I learned more about it, I developed some ideas, some of which I posted on a different thread on this site:
starting with Matthew Perri said this on August 3, 2013 at 4:02 am
I am proud to call myself a "Jesus Person", but born a little late, in Generation X. I don't embrace hypocrisy among "Free Love Baby Boomers", or in my own Generation, or among Millennials or anyone else- hypocrisy comes in many flavors. To be a follower of Jesus DOES mean that we DO "have to change our ways." And our model is JESUS, not the teachings and life example of Paul the Pharisee.
You wrote to me that the Jesus Movement people told you:
"Paul was just a man that did not know very much and he had an attitude problem. You sound just like them."
Thank you. That is a great summary of Paul in a nutshell. I gladly embrace the label of "Jesus Person." As I noted in another post above, Paul literally did not know the first and greatest, most important commandment according to Jesus.
Paul the Pharisee summed up the Law in ONE commandment [Romans 13:8-10 & Galatians 5:14]
The Lord God Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah summed up the Law and the Prophets with TWO commandments, not one.
[Matthew 22:34-40 & Mark 12:28-34]
Are you following Paul the Pharisee, or following Jesus the Son of God, our Messiah?
As for Assertio Septem Sacramentorum" I will be praying and lift you up in the Spirit of the Holy Ghost. Cause you need some help my friend.
Have you asked the Lord Jesus to fill you with His Mighty Power of the Gift of the HOLY SPIRIT yet.
br ty
Paul gave us so much information about the angel of light satan, aka mohammed with his other gospel and other Jesus and other spirit I think he was truly a blessing to Christians..
Paul was vital to Christians.. Jesus and the apostles went to the blood line of Israel first.. Paul went to the gentiles and all others…Where would many of us be if Paul had not existed.. Still unbelievers or worshippers of Baal.. Shame n people that do not appreciate Paul's service and sacrifice to Jesus and to the world..
"I saw this repulsive thing: They prophesied by PAUL and led my people Israel astray." [Jeremiah 23:13]
Matthew Perri – Some people just never get it dear brother.
I do not have the time or space to write all I know about every subject cause then my post would be to long.
Ephesian church was the most "Spiritual church" in the New Testament as many scholars have said – He could speak to them about heavenly places cause he was caught up into the 3rd heaven and seen things that were to great to even speak to the normal believer.
Now with that said – The Beginning Church that was a Model of what Christ was looking for was the Ephesian church to come to see as Christ and Paul himself had seen.
Now to the point – The very first church age in Rev. 2 Jesus himself picked it to be the starting symbol of a "Spiritual church" that Paul Pastored for 3 years to make it that way. And yet by the Time "John the Divine" had the Vision of the Revelations. It had already started drifting from it's original love for Jesus Christ. And was starting to except the Nico – Conquer — Laity –"common people". And was heading toward anti-christ teachings which led to the "Dark Ages". Other words vote them in and vote them out. Being a system of men not appointed to By Christ Himself.
1. Apostle – "Apo" is the start of Apo-stle. Means to Reveal or Revelation. All of the 7 Spirits of God were His messenger's to the 7 Church ages.
2. The "stle" of Apo-stle meant "sent one" and comes from the word Angel. According to Jewish rabbi. So Paul was the 1st Angel messenger of the New Gentile age of Jew and Gentile. 6 other Angel Messengers followed the first one.
3. To be an Apostle – Meant you had to have Seen or talked to Jesus personally. Did Paul pass this test. – YES sir. Jesus told him to go to the Street called straight and let a man pray for your healing of your eyes for the Brightness of Christ Coming blinded him. So Jesus "talked directly" to Paul and "appeared to Him" in a "Great light" when Christ gave him his commission.
2 – Apostle's established church's and laid the foundation of the Message of Christ to them. Did Paul do this – YES Sir
3. Their are not many Apostles and or Prophets Seer's. But it was a calling and a GIFT to the people of the Wisdom and Poswer of God manifesting among the people. Making him a little more than just a common believer. As he is the one that had "thee" revelation for the hour to Jew and Gentile. The other Apostles did the same. But Paul stood out among them and rebuked Peter, and James in Jerusalem. When they had their meeting on Circumcision.
II PETER 3:15 – And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
II PETER 3:16- As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things "hard to be understood", which they that are "unlearned and unstable wrest", as they do also the other scriptures, unto their "own destruction".
II PETER 3:17- Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the "error of the wicked", fall from your own stedfastness.
I rest my case – ty
"A horrible and shocking thing has happened in the land: The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule BY THEIR OWN AUTHORITY, and my people love it this way." [Jeremiah 5:31]
Tom York,
While I appreciate you taking time to lay out your thoughts, don't rest your case just yet. It's full of holes.
You wrote:
"The very first church age in Rev. 2 Jesus himself picked it to be the starting symbol of a "Spiritual church" [Ephesus] that Paul Pastored for 3 years"
.1) Paul did not pastor in Ephesus.
.2) Paul was not in Ephesus for 3 years.
Rather, in Ephesus, Paul spoke and argued in the Synagogue for 3 months, and then went and had daily discussions in the lecture hall of Tyrannus for 2 years. [Acts 19:8-10]
.3) Luke accurately recorded Paul's boastful exaggerated self-promoting testimony: "by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. " [Acts 20:31]
.4) The words of Jesus to the Church in Ephesus [Revelation 2:2] apply directly to Paul. Jesus commended the church because "you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false."
The church in Ephesus must have tested Paul, who claimed to be an apostle, and found Paul false. Paul was not the only false apostle, but he was first on the list. Other than the 12 true Apostles, Paul is the only person in the pages of the New Testament who claimed to be an apostle, and no one else agreed with Paul. No one! This is simply a statement of fact about the text of the Bible.
.5) You are coming up with your own definition for "Apostle" using human sources- dictionaries, Paul's opinions, other men's opinions, etc. You are "begging the question" again. I understand you- I was trained that way too.
You are not reading the words and actions of Jesus (and the Original Apostles) that are recorded in the Bible. You are not listening to how Jesus used the word "Apostle", or how the Original Apostles used the word "Apostle." You are unconsciously accepting Paul's definition of "Apostle" without knowing it. Paul the Pharisee was not an Apostle, and he didn't know what a true Apostle was.
.6) You quoted the Second letter of the Apostle Peter 3:15-17
We see that at the end of the Apostle Peter's life, Peter refers to
"our beloved brother Paul" and "all his epistles"
Brother does not mean Apostle. Peter never said Paul was an Apostle, and neither did anyone else in the New Testament except Paul. Yet Peter knew of "all Paul's letters", where Paul loudly repeatedly claimed himself to be an Apostle. In a kind, loving way, The Apostle Peter was distancing himself from Paul the Pharisee here- and elsewhere in his letter too, if you look carefully.
It is time to wake up from being brainwashed by Paul. We need to start listening to Jesus first, following Jesus first, and trying to imitate JESUS!
"Elijah went before the people and said, 'How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD Yahweh is God, follow him; but if PAUL is God, follow him.' But the people said nothing."
[1 Kings 18:21]
"To whom can I speak and give warning? Who will listen to me? Their ears are closed so they cannot hear. The word of the LORD (Yahweh) is offensive to them." [Jeremiah 6:10]
Yea 1313 – but they were still Jew Babylonians even before they were in captivity in Babylon. Do you remember the Exodus – the JEWS built a "Golden Calf" to worship. Their hearts never came out of Egypt is why. They loved that worldly religion. And they wanted to kill MOSES even. Then the wanted to Replace Him. Its the same today. Prophets have never been popular. Jesus Christ was in the Office of a Prophet himself in the Son of Man. That is a Prophets title.
I know that Jesus was the Son of God and the Son of David. So please do not pounce on me ok.
bro. ty
Dear Ruth (AKA e1313ruth)
I see that you made 8 posts just today (Nov. 3) on this thread.
It's great that you have passion, and some ideas that you want to share.
I am in general agreement with the sentiments expressed by "Al" and "DJ" just above.
I also appreciated some of your thoughts in the "pigeon dropping" post earlier today, and I will try to give a thoughtful response to that one.
May the overwhelming peace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
More comparisons: Paul vs. Jesus
The voice of Jesus:
Did NOT come to abolish the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:17-20
The voice of Paul:
Came to abolish the law
Ephesians 2:15
Colossians 2:14
The voice of Jesus:
male AND female
Matthew 19:4-6
The voice of Paul:
Neither male nor female
Galatians 3:28
What does it prove if someone calls Jesus "Lord" ?
The voice of Jesus: Matthew 7:21-23
The voice of Paul: 1 Corinthians 12:3
Matthew, bear in mind satan said, "Did god really say that????"" and take heed to your own words….You do not understand Scripture and you twist verses to fit your personal opinions..
As for your argument about Paul… read Paul's words in
1 Corinthians 3-22,23
1 Corinthians 1-12,through 17
Plus these words of the apostles
Romans 8- 9,102 Peter 1-20,21
1 Peter 1-11
2 Timothy 3-16..
You do not believe the Bible.. God promised to write your name out of his book of life if you do not believe..He does this by misinterpretations and by other gospels..
Do you believe mohammed was the holy ghost comforter…??? He also refuted the Bible
Matthew P.
No more. I turned you over to the Lord.
Psalm 23
Jew and Gentile-"ONE NEW MAN" in Yahshua HaMashiyach!
Double amen- from my wife and I. It's beautiful, and I'm sure we'll see it again and again. Hopefully we can learn to sing this too, like we sing the Aaronic priestly blessing in Hebrew.
Hi Al,
I have been re-reading your writings on this thread, thinking about them and trying to synthesize some ideas. Until you said it, I didn't know that it was Marcion who came up with the idea of a "New Testament." Even many Messianic observers of Torah are largely unaware of Marcion and what a huge role he played in shaping anti-Jewish "replacement theology" in Rome back in the second century. Almost no one I've heard ever goes back farther than Constantine in the fourth century.
Jesus spoke in terms of The Law, The Prophets, and The Writings, like any good Jew. But Jesus never called these writings "The Tanak" or implied that they were all to be seen as "one book". Jesus never spoke about "the canon" or "The Bible" as if these writings were one book that was all "the word of God" and all in perfect harmony. It was a collection of writings, in order of authority and importance- first Torah, then Prophets. And I think we should apply the same principle to the texts of what we now call the "New Testament."
When Marcion produced his own new "Bible", containing nothing but an abbreviated Gospel of Luke and 10 of Paul's letters (all except those to Timothy and Titus), it seems it sparked a sort of "arms race" in the Christian church to also produce a "Bible." I'm not sure when the unorthodox idea of "The Tanak" as "A Book" first came up.
One big idea for you seems to be that God has caused a blindness, keeping Jews & Gentiles largely apart for almost 2000 years, but now God is bringing us together again. I'm still contemplating about his. In the meantime, here is a short video message about the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 that I think you could relate to. Blessings and Shalom.
preached by Matthew Miller on the home page of
Where is the Voice of Jesus = IN HIS WORD
JOHN 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
JOHN 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
I think the fulfillment is at hand of Howard Morgan's vision in 2004
Shown in Sid Roth's "It's Supernatural"
Guest: Howard Morgan
Monday, November 8, 2004
Biblical roots of Christianity
Howard said the following:
"I got a vision, a picture in my spirit. I saw a classic country American church- one story, pitched roof and a steeple. And then all of a sudden I watched this building literally split in half from top to bottom, and at the base of the split this enormous tree emerged, the Tree of Life. It was breaking this building in half. That's when I heard The Lord say to me these words: "I'm going to deliver the Body of Messiah from the spirit of the Christian religion" … There is a demonic entity called the spirit of religion. And there is a demonic entity, a principality, called the Spirit of the Christian Religion. And that spirit has insidiously, infected, infested the Body of Christ through the centuries…"
Link to the archive page:
Matthew – Its good to hear other Brothers saying the truth about the matter of Religion. I have been telling people this for 15 to 20 years. Praise God people are starting to see it. Its Jesus Christ Living in you the Hope of glory. Its still a mystery how you become a Christian to millions of so called Christians. But its like Politics – you just cannot seem to grasp the evil of it till its to late. Most people in the World are very "Religious". But Jesus Christ IN YOU is the only way you going to have Eternal life.
Todays church's should be "caught up" "come up hither" like John was in Rev. 4. And see the Whole panoramic view of Christianity. Not just a side thing you like doing. Not just reading the bible a few minutes a week. Not in letting a man baptize you in water, not keeping some holy day, not drinking a little cup of wine every week, not shouting, not speaking in tongues none of those things are the Evidence you have the HOLY SPIRIT. . Everyday is Holy to Gods people the bible says. Not just cleaning up a little and quit smoking or drinking and swearing. That's good works and it not bad. But that alone will not give you eternal life.
Its a LIFE given over "completely" to Jesus Christ. The whole of the Epistles were written for our sake so that we would not be deceived.
Yet the Epistles have been shredded by the scholars of our day and past days gone by. Most Christians do not want to even discuss doctrines in a serious manner.
Millions of Christians do not even know that the "dark ages " of the Christians church was just that, DARK AGES OF DECEPTION by the institutional mainstream church of the deceived. Its still going strong today.
As Israel was in Jesus day so is Main stream church's today so blind they could not see Jesus if He did manifest right in front of them. The Word is the manifestation of Jesus Christ. By Faith = a revelation given you by the Holy Spirit and that is the Rock that Peter stood when He said Jesus was the Son of God which interpreted correctly was saying "He is God". So many looking for a literal Jesus to come from the literal clouds and say Here I am. Now you are Saved. Come unto me. When your WHOLE LIFE HE has been saying "Come unto me" and ye would not.
People are still waiting for the Rapture to save them and Raise them up into salvation. And Have no idea – The Rapture is your Revelation of the New Birth that Raises you up into New dimensions – Of Knowing and Having Jesus Christ IN YOU. "He raised your dead man" "soul"into a brand new soul that will live eternal by the New Creation. You can receive the Celestial body right now while you are ALIVE Paul said. It kill your old spirit and gives you a HOLY SPIRIT to guide you all your life. After Jesus raised Lazarus HE said. "I AM" THE RESURRECTION AND LIFE =zoe – Eternal life.
But most of you will say "ty" is a crazy man. Go ahead that's alright. But I know in whom I serve and who is living in me. And I know the Bible says Jesus will come as a "thief in the night". He did in Israel's day – He was a thief in the night to most all of Israel and they was looking at Him. This is why many will never see him. Even if He did appear which He has already.
How come the Roman Soldier knew that was the Son of God on the Cross How come the Thief after a brief encounter with Christ KNEW that was Christ and the Religious world was to busy making fun of him and accusing him of sin, and scorning HIM. Maybe that will help somebody that reads this post. Christ reveals Himself to every person in the world and its up to you to recognize that call and submit to Him your whole life.
Cause the Messiah did not preach or act like they did. He did not come out of their schools so he was an out cast to begin with in Israel. But Praise God Jesus knew whom He chose to serve Him. The "Little flock".
bro ty
Hi Tom,
I agree with you comment here:
"As Israel was in Jesus' day so are Main Stream churches today. They are so blind they could not see Jesus if He did manifest right in front of them."
Just as Muslims are blindly following the life example and teachings of Muhammad without question, most Bible-believing Western Christians are doing the same thing with Paul the Pharisee. They are listening to the voice of another "holy man" from his own "holy writings" rather than the voice of Jesus recorded by the 4 Gospel writers in our "Bible".
A man named Paul wrote a personal letter addressed to his younger helper Timothy, and buried in the middle of text of the letter Paul wrote "All Scripture is God-breathed."
OK. BEFORE we start start playing Paul's game on Paul's ballfield…… BEFORE we start asking ourselves "what did Paul mean" by the terms "Scripture" and "God-breathed"…… BEFORE we analize Paul's letters and realize that Paul only wrote to specific individuals or churches, not the universal Body of Christ, and we ask ourselves if this was because Paul did not have Apostolic authority to speak to the whole church…… BEFORE we ask ourselves if Paul thought the personal letter he was writing to Timothy was "Scripture"…… BEFORE all that, we need to "let every matter be established by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses."
Did anyone agree with Paul that "All Scripture is God-breathed"?
Jesus? The Apostles appointed by Jesus? Moses? The Prophets? Anyone else in the pages of the 66 Books of what we call the Bible? Did anyone agree with Paul on that point of doctrine?
In the case of Paul's statement ""All Scripture is God-breathed" the answer is NO. No one agreed with Paul on that. The Apostle Peter wrote "no PROPHECY of Scripture came about by the PROPHET'S own interpretation." [2 Peter 1:20]
Peter didn't speak about "all Scripture" but about prophecy of Scripture. And of course, Peter confirmed as Jesus did, that one man's own personal interpretation or opinion is not valid. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses."
In one of Paul's letters, Paul wrote some cryptic comment about "baptism for the dead," which has no connection to anything anwhere else in the Bible. So the Mormon church picked up this wacky piece of nonsense, and has made an entire doctrine affecting millions of people, based solely on one strange comment Paul the Pharisee made in one of his personal letters. But before we laugh and point fingers, let's consider what we've done with "All Scripture is God-breathed."
If you're reading Paul's letters by themselves, and debating about "Paul wrote this, and Paul said that, and Paul did this, and so that is what Paul really meant", etc. etc. you are playing the wrong game in the wrong ballpark. You are riding the merry-go-round of Paul the Pharisee, not following the Lord God Jesus the Christ, the Jewish Messiah, son of Yahweh the Most High God.
Hi Marianne, Al, and Tom,
In response to your recent postings.
Following Jesus and becoming more like Jesus was.
That is my goal.
Not "be just like Jesus is", (but rather becoming more like Jesus was.) Not "follow Paul and be like Paul because Paul said so" – That is the cult of Paul the Pharisee, which actually has its roots back in the 2nd century with a man named Marcion.
Marcion was a second century heretic who made his own "Bible" composed of nothing but 10 of Paul's letters and an abbreviated Gospel of Luke. Marcion set up a rival group of churches based in Rome, which existed for hundreds of years, until they disappeared from view- when Constantine merged them into "The Roman Catholic Church. (You can easily do an Internet search on this, now that you know what to look for- I'm not going to type out all the details here.)
If I'm trying to be more like Jesus was, I should listen to the voice of Jesus first, recorded in the Red Letters in the Gospels. To correctly understand "what are the Scriptures" I can see what JESUS said about the Scriptures FIRST, and look at everything else through the lens of Jesus' opinion.
The "glasses" that we look through should NOT be the traditional interpretation of Paul's opinions in his letters, sometimes backed up by the traditional MISinterpretation of Peter's opinions in his letters.
Peter writes [1 Peter 1:10-12 and 2 Peter 1:19-21] about "the PROPHETS" "the word of the PROPHETS" "no PROPHECY of Scripture came about by the PROPHET'S own interpretation" and "PROPHECY." Peter did not write "all Scripture." It isn't in the text. So please don't try to tell me "but it's the same thing" and give your own interpretation "that's what Peter meant." It isn't the same thing at all, according to Peter or according to Jesus.
As a Jew, Jesus understood the Scriptures to be in 3 parts, in order of priority.
.1) Torah
The Law of Moses (1st five books)
.2) Nevi im The Prophets
Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, & MOST of what we see as "Prophets"
.3) Kethuvim The Writngs
Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Ecclesiastes, Daniel (surprisingly), and others.
For ease of reference:
Here is the Orthodox View of what the Bible is.
020. What does the word Bible mean?
It comes from the Greek biblios and it means "the books." The
name signifies that these sacred books are uniquely authoritative
witnesses to Jesus Christ. As such, they deserve attention before
all others.
However, within the corpus of the Bible, there is a hierarchy
of witnessing power and dogmatic authority. The Gospels hold a
unique place as witnesses to the Truth and only the Gospels are
placed on the Holy Table in the sanctuary.
036. Is there any division of the books of the Old
Testament by which you can give a more distinct
account of their contents?
In the Gospels of Luke, the Lord gives the following
threefold division:
"These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still
with you– that everything written about me in the law of
Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke
Click to access Catechism01.pdf
So there in the words of Jesus in Luke 24:44 we see how Jesus viewed the Scriptures, reflecting the 3-fold division, in order of priority.
When Jesus was asked which commandment was the most important, Jesus didn't respond "it's all profitable" and "all scripture is God-breathed" or "everything in the 66 books of the Bible is equally authoritative and equally important." No.
Jesus responded this way: Jesus summed up the Law and the Prophets with TWO commandments, not one.
[Matthew 22:34-40 & Mark 12:28-34]
An Evangelical today might want to say: "But Jesus, what about the Kethuvim, The Writings? Why are you ignoring them? Are you questioning the inerrancy of the Bible?"
If you read the words of Jesus in the 4 Gospels, you will see that Jesus frequently spoke about "The Law" or "The Law and the Prophets," because they were authoritative. He did also refer to the Psalms and other parts of "The Writings" at times, but much less, because they are not as authoritative and not as important as The Law and The Prophets.
Brother Paul writing extensively about his own feelings, experience, emotions, travel schedule, ministry model, opinions, ideas, and unsupported testimony about himself is not "God's commandments" even though it's "in the Bible."
Paul and his writings should correctly be seen sort of like we see Solomon and his writings. Solomon was a spoiled, burned out old liberal who had fallen out of fellowship with God for a large part of his life, and he wrote in Ecclesiastes: "everything is meaningless" and "there is nothing new under the sun." Those were Solomon's FEELINGS after being a rich playboy "doing his own thing" away from God for years.
In reality, everything isn't meaningless, and there are new things every morning- for those who walk with our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus the Jewish Messiah, and have eyes to see the truth.
Blessings to you
Psalm 27
Where would anyone get the idea that "Paul died for us?" That somehow Paul was "all things to all men" and that Paul "saved" people?
Or that when Jesus said "it is finished"- meaning literally "paid in full"- on the cross, that Jesus was lying? And really the work of Jesus on the cross was not a finished work, that something was "still lacking?" And so really the church, the Gentiles, needed a Second Messiah to the Gentiles to fill up in his flesh what was still lacking for the sake of the body of Christ, which is the church?
How would someone get such ideas? Easy- if they believed everything Paul wrote about himself.
Paul wrote:
A) "I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some." [1 Corinthians 9:22]
B) "Let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus." [Galatians 6:17]
C) "Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church." [Colossians 1:24]
Yes, Paul really said all these things about himself. You can open your Bible and see for yourself. Paul had a "messiah complex." And these claims Paul made about himself are false. But that does not prove that Paul never knew Jesus, or that he was wrong about everything.
Jesus was not a Jew — He Was GOD in a flesh body. He Was the Word LOGOS as well. To look and know Jesus Christ you was looking at all the Concepts of Gods thinking what he wanted Man to Be.
That's why GOD loved all mankind. Yet raised in a Jewish house because it was Prophecy fulfilled. They were only ones that new any concepts of Gods thinking because God sent them TRUE Prophets.
It was the "Blood of God" That flowed through Jesus veins. And by Faith we have that same "Life that Jesus Had in His Blood in ours – After the transforming into a "New Creation". His Blood Cell of Life is in Me NOW. I'm Eternal Now not going to be. I am already living in the Eternal. I have the Celestial man living in me and He Jesus has taken me over. This is the Hour of Bride and the Priest hoods, and of Judgments, and the "Son of David" ministry. We are called to Conquer all things.
Bro ty
Do you have a mom? What is her nationality, Irish? Maybe Jewish?
Mary (Jesus' mom) was Hebrew.
Jesus had DNA that gave Him the human qualities and physical attributes from His mother.
I understand the mother contributes a great deal of physical artributes to the baby, child and adult. Hair, skin, and more.
Psalm 22
Do you not think Paul did this for good reason; and what do you think Paul could achieve by being whimsical, particularly with regard to Jews?
In 1 Cor. 9:19-22, Paul said that when he was among Jews he acted like a Jew and when among Gentiles he was like them. He said he was all things to all men so as to save some. Since Timothy was a young man whose mother was Jewish, and since they were going among the Jews, he circumcised him to help him be accepted by the Jews.
In Galatians 2:3 we see that Paul refused to circumcise Titus, because he wanted to show those who claimed that circumcision was necessary to be saved, were wrong.
Sounds like a man who was willing to go the extra mile for the cause of the "one new man" in Christ . What a blessing to mankind!…..
"Do I not think Paul did this for good reason…?"
Here is the full text of the song you're singing right now:
[sing it to the tune of "Rapture" by Blondie]
I'm Boss Paul, the Pharisee
My hypocrisy's plain for the world to see
I travel the land and travel the sea
to make a convert who is just like ME
"All have sinned" – we know that's true
but it never means ME – it only means YOU
My sins are all theoretical
"I'm the worst of sinners"- but don't ask where
To be more like Jesus is what some strive
except for me – I've already arrived
I'm the perfect model since the road to Damascus
What were Paul's sins? Don't ask us!
I justify everything I do
If I testify about myself it MUST be true
I'm the only man in all history
whose testimony doesn't need two or three
If I did something it MUST be right
Don't use the Scripture to shed any light
Don't do as I say, do as I do
and then you can be a Pharisee too.
to all:
No where in the Bible will you find where Jesus called Mary his Mother or Joseph his dad. Jesus called his mother – Woman In the KJ.
Mary was the "incubator only" for God's Supernatural Son – It was the Blood line of the 1st. Adam that was fallen. Life is in the blood. Adam let sin into his Life's blood. That is why it had to be PERFECT Blood to redeem us back as God's Brand New Creations. Supernatural Birth. By faith I have the Blood of God in me because of the Holy Ghost LIFE that recreated me.
Jesus Was God and God can do anything He wants to do. He can create Himself out of nothing if He needs to. God is AIR – God is Creator – And His Name is 1. Lord 2. Jesus 3. Christ The only Wise God the Bible says.
God can also build Himself a body of Flesh inside a woman and be born a child. Say that Mary was his mother is very, very carnal. It was the "BLOOD OF GOD" the Bible says that was in Jesus blood gene.
PS. 78 I believe it is. Says that Israel "Limited the Holy One of Israel" God was a part of Israel. Or I could say the Israelites limited God by their unbelief and doubt. That's the whole problem today.
Jesus the Son was in the "Mind of God" Logos – God had the "concept for Salvation" before the World was ever created are names were on the book.
God knew He was going to become a Man in a flesh body before He ever let a man fall. I believe it . That settles it for me.
bro. ty
"an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. 'Get up,' he said, 'take the child and HIS MOTHER and escape to Egypt.'"
[Matthew 2:13]
Your reply does not deserve a direct response.
And, I'm overcoming the temptation to make a joke or apply sarcasm to make a point.
I bid you adieu.
Genesis 1:1
I knew I would get this about the Mother. But it was other writers that called Jesus his Mother. Jesus never called her Mother. Jesus said who is my brother, mother, etc etc. Jesus at 12 years old got very mad when Mary said that she and his Father Joseph were looking for him when he was lost in Jerusalem. He rebuked Mary for even that. She denied her own testimony that the Child was from God the Father of all things. No doubt this would be the way any step mother and Father would act.
So Now we got Mary in the God head. Can you see how just little tiny misconceptions produce very great evil, and great error in Doctrines. I hope you understand. The Word is unleavened Bread. Nothing mixed with it.
PS. Not trying to be a smart elic or a trouble maker. Or a know it all. Just facts. Now we have 1 billion so called Christians that can speak to Mary in place of Jesus Christ for their salvation. Not one jot or tittle is out of place in the Word of God. Till it all be fulfilled.
The Devil is a Master at manipulation and falsehood.
Jesus was not a "writer." He didn't "write" any of the Bible with his own hand. Since every matter must be established by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses, Jesus let others write about him.
This is in contrast to the founders of most cults and false religions we can think of. Paul, Muhammad, Mr. Smith, Mr. Moon, etc.
For you to say:
"it was other writers that called Jesus his Mother"
implies that Jesus was also a "writer", which He was not.
Hi again Tom,
I appreciate your scholarship here. You have made a good point about a fact in the text of the Scripture, which is actually very important. Even though your ultimate conclusion is faulty (really heresy, no offense), I think your life application is correct (but for the wrong reason.)
It's true that the Bible doesn't record Jesus himself calling Mary his mother. So I agree with you that the ultimate application of this fact is, we should speak like Jesus, and not call Mary our mother either, because she isn't our mother.
The fact of Mary being the physical earthly human mother of Jesus is sort of like the fact of our pre-conversion sins as Christians. It's true, that's where we came from, and we might mention these things time to time, it's not taboo. But they are peripheral issues, not the main thing.
In the text of the Bible, Jesus never spoke about being a carpenter either. Why? Because He wasn't one before the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove? No, but because what Jesus was personally before the Holy Spirit came on Him doesn't really matter that much, just as our pre-conversion life doesn't matter that much. That doesn't mean we forget everything or deny everything, but it simply grows dim in the light of Jesus.
The world tried to remind Jesus of "his past" saying: "Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son?" [Mark 6]
Many Christian leaders today, (especially former hippies from the "Jesus Movement" ironically) have a tendency to speak in the same worldly way. Week after week, year after year, they just love to "boast" about "what a sinner I was 40 years ago." Or when they introduce one of their buddies to a crowd, the first thing they talk about is "what a sinner he was 40 years ago."
That is simply appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh to see sin and scandal, because it's "good for business." It's what you can see every day on the covers of dozens of tabloid magazines at the supermarket checkout, and in advertising on the Internet and TV. "Come indulge your flesh and experience my sin- but safely from a distance, for only a nominal cost…"
Matthew – the fact that Mary was the mother of Yeshua (Jesus) is very important. The reason for Mary giving birth to the Lord and referenced in the New Testimant is very important.
Let's see if you can learn the reason why by reading this passage from Matthew.
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins'"(Matthew 1:18-21, NKJV).
"So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 'Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,' which is translated, 'God with us.'
"Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus (Yeshua)", (Matthew 1:22-25, NKJV).
Whatever your answer is – I'll not reply. I just want the thread to provide some Scripture (something not written by the Apostle Paul or his friend Luke), that presents Truth so other readers of this oaf page may not be confused or distracted by "words of wisdom."
Psalm 64
Thanks the relevant quotes from Gospel of Matthew.
Of course everything about Jesus is at least somewhat important. But do you honestly believe that everything in the 66 books of the Bible is EQUALLY important?
But do you think that Mary being the mother of Jesus is the MAIN THING?
Many Roman Catholics think so. For some of them, "the Wedding at Cana" [John chapter 2] is the only part of the Bible that matters. They'll quote it over and over, and ignore everything else.
Their false idea is that: "Mary is the one who's really got the power. Yes, it's in Jesus name, but if you want results, sneak around to the back door and talk with his mother, and she'll make Jesus do whatever she says." The cult of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico is one local example of this, and there are many others around the world.
I wrote:
"The fact of Mary being the physical earthly human mother of Jesus is sort of like the fact of our pre-conversion sins as Christians. It's true, (but it's) not the main thing."
So what is there to disagree about?
I knew I would get this about the Mother. But it was other writers that called Jesus his Mother. Jesus never called her Mother. Jesus said who is my brother, mother, etc etc. Jesus at 12 years old got very mad when Mary said that she and his Father Joseph were looking for him when he was lost in Jerusalem. He rebuked Mary for even that. She denied her own testimony that the Child was from God the Father of all things. No doubt this would be the way any step mother and Father would act.
So Now we got Mary in the God head. Can you see how just little tiny misconceptions produce very great evil, and great error in Doctrines. I hope you understand. The Word is unleavened Bread. Nothing mixed with it.
PS. Not trying to be a smart elic or a trouble maker. Or a know it all. Just facts. Now we have 1 billion so called Christians that can speak to Mary in place of Jesus Christ for their salvation. Not one jot or tittle is out of place in the Word of God. Till it all be fulfilled.
The Devil is a Master at manipulation and falsehood.
Tom York, you are wrong. Period. Jesus had an earthly mother NOT an "incubator". The Holy Spirit concieved Jesus in her womb.
Real simple. Mary was Jesus's earthly mother whom Father God chose her to be the human vessel of His Son, Jesus. You complicate/pervert the simple truth of Christ.
God calls you a FALSE TEACHER. End of. Go start your own religion now.
Hi Marianne,
I agree with you.
Here is a relevant quote from John Paul Jackson, from the following video.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…." [John 1:1]
that just doesn't mean the New Testament. Because guess what, when He came and John wrote it the New Testament didn't exist. He was talking about the word of God, EXPRESSLY THE TORAH. In the beginning was the Torah. And you go whoa; now you're getting heavy. That should not be heavy to us. That should not be heavy to us. That should be one of those: "of course." But we take one step at a time."
John Paul Jackson – 2/28/2009 Rend The Heavens Conference
Charlotte NC Mahesh Chavda Ministries
How would Jesus prioritize "The Books" – the 66 books of what we call "The Bible?"
Even if you believe that "all Scripture is God-breathed", Jesus clearly told us that all Scripture is NOT equally authoritative or important. When asked, Jesus summed things up in not 1 but rather 2 commandments, based on only 2 out of the 3 accepted sections of the Hebrew Scriptures- the Law and the Prophets. He didn't mention the Writings at that time. Then in Luke 24:44 Jesus spoke of "The Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
I'm not Moses writing tablets of stone. But below is my rough idea of how I think Jesus would prioritize "The Books." I'm not questioning the content of the texts. But one way or another, the choice of which order to arrange the content of the 66 books in is a matter of human tradition, and there are multiple traditions.
If you think what we call the "New Testament" has to be in the order of (1) Gospels, (2) Acts, then (3) Paul front and center, you should talk with the Russian Orthodox Church.
And if you think the order of the books in the King James Version of what we call the "Old Testament" is the only authorized order, you should talk with the Jews. (You also might want to change the name of your Bible to "King Jacob.")
But you probably would also need to remind modern Jews that Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles were all originally stand-alone scrolls, not part 1 & part 2.
I'm not saying, "Thus says the Lord" here. But based on what I know right now of the Jesus of the Bible, and the Bible text itself, here is my best guess at how Jesus would order the priority of "The Books."
.1) The Word made flesh- 4 Gospels – Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
.2) Torah – The Law of Moses – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy
.3) The Prophecy – Acts, Revelation
.4) The Prophets – Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Major Prophets, Minor Prophets
.5) Psalms
.6) General letters: of the Apostles I & 2 Peter, 1 John
.7) General letters: to the Hebrews, and from James (aka Jacob)
.8) Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Job, Ruth, Esther and the other Writings
.9) Personal letters: of The Apostle John, Jude, and Paul
Matthew ,John Paul Jackson is a FALSE profit (yes pun intended) who hangs with the false TBN mammon loving crowd. Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder your doctrine is off about Paul.You follow false teachers.
Matthew Perri,
You wouldn't know a true prophet of God if you saw one.The evidence: you use the false "profit" John Paul Jackson as an example.You have no discernment from the Spirit whatsoever.
That is very presumptuous and prideful of you to say you would "arrange" the books of the Bible as to how YOU think they should be, and throw out Paul's letters.
The Most High God allowed for the 66 books to be "ordered" the way they are and for them to be 66 books.
There is a reason there are 66 books.
6 is the number of man, created on the 6th day, but 6 day man is unregenerated man. He hasn't become BORN AGAIN of the Spirit.
66 is the symbolic number of man transformed and regenerated by the Spirit of God into the NEW MAN. 6+6=12. 12 is the perfect number, the perfection of God, governmental perfection.The NEW man in Christ is the PERFECT MAN. Paul wrote about the new man in several letters.
The 66 books of the Bible are a KEY taken all together to become the NEW MAN that Paul often wrote about.Christ made a way for us to become the NEW MAN.
When you read the 66 books, you can become TRANSFORMED in your mind into having the MIND OF CHRIST because of it's TRUTH.
And speaking of numbers, 666 is the number of a BEAST man. If you take his mark and number, you are changed into a BEAST MAN just like the Antichrist and become a permanent son of satan.
the number 666 is ADDING to the Word of God who is Christ. Something the 66 books of the Bible warn us NOT to do.
Paul told us about the Beast/man of sin as well. We owe him a debt of gratitude.
If you stay under the law as just a 6 man, you never become BORN AGAIN of the Spirit of God and are not able to ENTER into His heavenly kingdom. You will ALWAYS stay EARTH bound and unregenerated.
And if you take the MARK of the 666 man, you are damned for all eternity.
Become a 66 man and experience the NEW BIRTH.
Interesting facts:
1) There are 66 words in the Lord's prayer.
2)The 66th chapter of the Bible is Exodus 16, which is the story of manna from heaven. manna is a scriptural metaphor for the word and for Christ.
Jesus is our manna from Heaven.
3) "All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and six" or 66 (Gen. 46:26) Again in these latter-days, Jacob's seed is instrumental in bringing forth the word of God, to save the world from Spiritual famine.
Dear Mr. Beast,
You didn't read my post very carefully.
I wrote there:
".9) Personal letters: of The Apostle John, Jude, and Paul"
So your statement that I " throw out Paul's letters." is false.
You wrote:
"The Most High God allowed for the 66 books to be "ordered" the way they are and for them to be 66 books. "
Please re-read what I wrote above, and tell me what YOU think is the correct order that God "ordered" the 66 books of the Bible in, and why.
(For example, if you think that Paul's letters should follow Acts, please explain why you think this.)
Some questions Matthew Perri:
Have you been born from above, aka "born again" by the Spirit of the Living God?
Why do you hate Apostle Paul's letters and what He taught in them so much?
Do you not believe in GRACE? Or do you believe salvation is "earned"?
Btw, based on reading other's comments, you have convinced no one of you have espoused. Everyone of the posters on this forum question your erroneous teaching.
Maybe you might want to switch to your "AL" pseudonym right about now to answer me. Or "Bethany"….perhaps she is your wifey eh?
Mr. Beast,
In other words,
.1)You won't admit you made a false accusation against me saying that I "throw out Paul's letters" when I never said that at all.
.2) You won't admit that you were wrong – putting Paul's letters directly after Acts in the Bible is NOT ordered by God, but it's simply one human tradition, and it's not the only traditional order,
Now you want to change the subject, and go on the attack again like a ravenous beast, questioning my salvation, making fresh false accusations, falsely claiming to speak for everyone else, when really a number of other people are on my side, and making insulting insinuations.
Why don't you open your Bible to the Gospels, and pray to ask Jesus to reveal himself to you?
Why don't you answer my questions "Matthew"? Or is it "Al"?
What are you afraid of?
Excellent post.
You wrote – "As in most of the discussions, the topic most always turns into the law vs grace, Jew vs Gentile, old vs new and so on. What was given by the Father in the beginning, with law and grace coexisting in perfect harmony, has become an either or mandate in Christian doctrine, predicated on the misunderstood word of one man, Paul."
My reply is a practical application of your thoughtfully post.
There is a mega church nearby that is the largest, wealthiest, assembly of Christians in this region of the state. It's reputation includes being a center of conservative, sound bible teaching with a very large we'll educated, professional ministers and staff.
Yet, the Senior Pastor stood up a few weeks ago, as he leads the men's bible study (over 100 in attendance at 6am), showing us his first tattoo.
Yes, he was proud to show us the meaning of the art inked into his skin. There is a Christian message now placed into this left forearm.
Then, after he told us of his tattoo, he proceeded to show us a video clip on the subject of "religion" – letting the men under his teaching know that he was not under the law but grace, allowing him to tattoo his skin.
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD" (Leviticus 19:28).
He neglects to abide by the Torah, obeying the commandments. Oh sure, he is saved by grace not by works – but God's word is forever. This is a classic example a mis-interpretation of Paul's writing. Paul is not wrong. But as Peter writes –
"…be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen" (2 Peter 3:14-18).
I could write out (mostly cut/paste) what the attached link explain – the problem of his Christian tattoo, which he proudly displayed on his left forearm.
Here is a short cut/paste to make the point.
"In fact, in Leviticus chapter 19 verse 28, where the Lord clearly condemns the tattoo, 'Ye shall not make any . . . print any marks upon you.'
Notice what else is included in the same verse. . . Obviously, by the context, the Lord connects the forbidden 'marks' or tattoo, – 'Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh. . .' Beware – the tattoo procedure is a fashion of the satanic practice of blood-letting or cutting of ones flesh. Rubbing a little ink or pigment in it doesn't change the fact – you are cutting your flesh – you are practicing blood-letting.
By far, the most extensive work ever published on tattoos was Dr. W.D. Hambly's, The History of Tattooing And It's Significance. Author Steve Gilbert, in his popular Tattoo History: A Source Book, writes, "Hambly concluded that historically tattooing had originated in connection with ancient rites of scarification and bloodletting. . ."
"Hambly concluded that historically tattooing had originated in connection with ancient rites of scarification and bloodletting which were associated with religious practices intended to put the human soul in harmony with supernatural forces and ensure continuity between this life and the next" (Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 158).
The above was copied from –
This is additional reference material for the same author.
This is not my church and I am not a member, but visit the bible study as another way to hear false teaching regularly, read the Word and fellowship with nice men. Psalms 1 and 119 are very previous passages to me.
An opportunity was presented this week to address the tattoo issue and I plan to express my opinion on the matter to the 12+ men that within a small group of this large men's bible study.
Psalm 1
I never thought I would quote Bill Clinton, but in this case it seems appropriate.
"I feel your pain."
A "Christian" mega-church pastor boasting about getting "his first tattoo". Of all the silly nonsense. Although I've written about this at some length in the past, all that comes to mind now are the words from Psalms of David.
"The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men."
[Psalm 12:8]
But, check this out:
Psalm 27 Adonai Ori Christine Jackman
The following was sent to about 12 men who attend the men's bible study (they are members of this non-denominational but apply Baptist doctrine). We are also reading a chapter a day through an on-line e-mail notification program.
Their Senior Pastor received his tattoo about 5 weeks ago.
Then, this past week – some one responded to the daily reading (1st Peter 4:1-4) with a comment saying they were "not doing what pagans do" but interested in doing the will of God.
Yet, not one of these men had the stones to stand up and speak truth when the leader of their church actually does what pagans do and God forbids His children to do.
Al, for your reading – here is what I sent this group. I do not expect a reply because they seem to be bewitched by a spirit of religion and false teaching. This is not the only example of false teaching – there are many. God is going to start at His house and these folks think they are in good standing. The evangelical church is in for a shock every soon.
Here is my message –
I want to comment on this phrase ("not doing what the pagans do"), and the scripture before us from Peter.
Paganism entered into mainstream society, becoming acceptable practice and is taught as acceptable under "grace".
Pagan practices, which God commanded that His children not practice, are found in Leviticus.
Yes, this is from "the law". If we are taught that Christians not under the law but under grace – then Christians are not under any commandments (law) and are free, which is without law or law-less. We pick or choose the pagan practice that fits our situation or choose one that is more comfortable and do it with good intent.
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD" (Leviticus 19:28).
This passage from Leviticus, in context, includes forbidden pagan practices and keeping the Sabbath, reverencing His sanctuary:
"You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard [pagan hair cut like the we see on Mayan Indian artifacts, Indonesian tribes and performed in other accent pagan cultures].
You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord.
Do not profane your daughter by making her a prostitute, lest the land fall into prostitution and the land become full of depravity.
You shall keep my Sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God" Leviticus 19:26-31, ESV).
Author Steve Gilbert, in his popular Tattoo History: A Source Book, writes, "Hambly concluded that historically tattooing had originated in connection with ancient rites of scarification and bloodletting. . ." He concluded that historically tattooing had originated in connection with ancient rites of scarification and bloodletting which were associated with religious practices intended to put the human soul in harmony with supernatural forces and ensure continuity between this life and the next"(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 158).
"Since body art is still not mainstream, having marks on your body that you put there on purpose shows the world your rebellious and unconventional nature" (Jean-Chris Miller, The Body Art Book : A Complete, Illustrated Guide to Tattoos, Piercings, and Other Body Modifications, p. 32).
"In this culture, a tattooed person is still looked at as a rebel, as someone who has very visibly stepped out of the bounds of normal society, . . ." (Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 75).
"The Latin word for 'tattoo' was stigma and the original meaning is reflected in modern dictionaries. Among the definitions of 'stigma' listed by Webster are a 'prick with a pointed instrument,' . . .' a distinguishing mark cut into the flesh of a slave or a criminal,' and 'a mark of disgrace or reproach" (Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 15).
The above copied from Terry Walkins.
Notice that the above quotations are from secular sources and not ministry leaders or theologians. These quotations tell us the truth about this pagan practice. It is rebellion against God and His law.
The argument to violate some of God's commandments (Leviticus 19), is found in the writing of Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill Church, and his sermon: "The Weaker Christian from 1 Corinthians 8:1-13: 28".
Abstract from sermon:
"Additionally it's talking about priest marking their body thereby indentifying themselves with paganism, so I don't think it really applies. You can disagree with me that's fine… Let me just say our position is this—tattoos are not a sin, right.
Jesus Christ is going to have a tattoo—Revelation says on his second coming. It says that down his right leg will be written King of Kings and Lord of Lords, which will be really freakish for all for the fundamentalists to see Jesus all tattooed up."
Okay, Pastor Mark. In Hebrews 7, we read that Jesus is our High Priest. As Priest, our Lord (who obeyed the laws of Almighty God and is the Word made flesh), does not and will not have a tattoo. He will not be "tattooed up".
This is more than a disagreement with Pastor Mark and those who teach such tattoo lessons – The Scriptures calls this false teaching. God help them.
If I had a daughter, I guess I should not sell my her into prostitution (pagan).
I should not visit a palm reader (pagan).
But, the pagan practice of getting a tattoo or cutting in/on my flesh is under the old covenant (law) and I'm covered by "grace" (seems to be Pastor Mark's and other such Bible teachers' message) so this is acceptable to God, thank you Lord.
It really makes no difference – because all of Leviticus 19 is under the law, and I am free ("error of lawless") to do any of these because I am acceptable to God under "grace".
We'll read this passage from Peter in a few days, but it applies to this topic.
"…be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters.
There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people [neglect the teachings/application of the law], and lose your own stability.
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen" (2 Peter 3:14-18).
Your replies and comments to the above are welcome. Please, share with me if you think there is any error or twisting of Scripture in what I posted above.
Al, there are false teachers in pulpits today that do their best at applying Psalm 64:5. Please read Psalm 64.
Tattoos are portals, sign posts welcoming demonic attack – the demonic spirits of rebellion, anger will manifest in the flesh of a Christian. How many sheep will now get a tattoo because Pastor got one – it must be okay, right?
Psalm 119
Dear DJ – cc Al
So a "Mars Hill" pastor is teaching from Paul's personal letters to the Church in Corinth, treating Paul's words like they are "The Word of God" and "God's Commandments," and you disagree with his interpretation of Paul's words?
That is really a lot like going to the "Holy Mecca" mosque where a Muslim imam is teaching from Muhammad's words in the Koran, and telling him you disagree with his interpretation of Muhammad's words.
You are in the wrong ballpark, playing the wrong game.
You are riding the merry-go-round of Paul the Pharisee.
"Mars Hill" is the King James Version's name for the "Areopagus" in Athens. Luke described Paul's experience there in Acts 17. After the noble Bereans kicked Paul off his own mission team, personally escorted Paul hundreds of miles away, and left Paul in Athens alone, Paul became an idle babbler in the marketplace in Athens. Then Paul was asked to come, alone, to "Mars Hill" to talk about his ideas.
Luke records Paul's speech on Mars Hill, where Paul never mentioned the name of Jesus once. Before you object and say: "Paul MUST have mentioned the name of Jesus on Mars Hill", please open your Bible and look for yourself. It isn't there. This is a statement of fact about the text.
After Paul's speech on Mars Hill, a few people became followers OF PAUL. There is no evidence that anyone became a follower of Jesus. It isn't in the text. That's a fact, so please don't argue about it, just open your Bible and see for yourself in Acts 17. Saying that someone "believed" does not mean they believed in the Lord Jesus and were born again. People "believe" all kind of things, and all kinds of people.
Is it "possible" that some of the people from Mars Hill actually became followers of Jesus due to Paul's speech there? Yes, it's "possible" but it is pure speculation, reading something into the text that simply isn't there. Luke recorded no conversions, no baptisms, not churches started, no fruit.
After Paul gained a few followers for himself like the other Athenian philosophers did, he promptly abandoned them and left Athens. As far as we know from the New Testament text, Paul never went back, and never even directly mentioned his "Mars Hill" experience.
Indirectly, we can see in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians chapters 1 & 2 that Paul acknowledged that his solo "ministry" in Athens was "an unmitigated disaster" (in the words of Jon Courson, pastor of Applegate church in Medford Oregon, and a prominent leader in the Calvary Chapel Movement.)
So apparently Paul learned from his mistake in Athens, but since it was such a compete failure Paul was never willing to talk about it directly. Paul was very human- who likes to write about his own dismal failures? I don't either. So I don't blame Paul for never bringing up his "Mars Hill" experience.
But I am thankful to Luke for recording Paul's experience of failure in ministry because, in the words of Jon Courson, "experience is the best teacher- but it doesn't have to be your own experience."
Hey Matthew,
I will go down through your comments and give what I believe to be true in these things.
I understand what you are saying with regards to not finding those who are like-minded. But, there is a reason for that:
Micah 7:1
New International Version (NIV)
7 What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard;
there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave.
Yah is speaking of that which comes at the beginning, and is ahead of its time. Seemingly out of place and alone, with few others around. To the Father's taste, this is the most succulent and greatly desired to the extent He uses the word "crave", for the one that stands alone before the appointed time arrives. So, take heart, there is more going on than what the natural mind can conceive!
Concerning John 20:19 & 26:
These are verses that "seemingly" prove that the Church uses to prove that Sunday worship replaced the Shabbat, but in reality is anything but that. In the original Greek text, in John 20:1 the words "first" and "day" do not appear in the text. What is written is (in Greek) "Mia ton sabbaton" which is translated "on one of the weekly Shabbats at about sundown". Another way to write it, from more of a Greek perspective is "On the first of the week, in the morning when it was dark." What we see in this verse is that Miryam came to the tomb, after the Shabbat, while it was still dark, basically on Sunday morning, in the dark. That is when the empty tomb was "discovered". This does not answer the question of when Messiah was resurrected, since the Shabbat ended on sundown of the 7th day. But even with all of that, what is the difference if He was resurrected at the end of the 7th day or the beginning of the 1st day?
John 20:19- "Now when it was evening on that day, the first of the week, the doors were shut where the disciples were, because of the disciples' fear of the Yehudeans, Y'shua came and stood among them……..".
The question is why were they locked away on this day? They were hiding in fear from the Jews. That is all we know. There is no talk or conversation about overturning the Shabbat for Sunday worship. In fact, not only does it not say anything about worship, it bears down on the fact that they were totally afraid. When did Messiah come to them? In the evening (Erev) of the first day (Sunday) and the beginning of the second day (Monday).
John 20:26-"And after eight days the disciples were again inside. And Tooma (Thomas) was with them and Y'shua came while the doors were locked and said to them…..".
Again, on the first day of the week, Sunday, they were together again, and again it says "the doors were locked". What is that saying? They were still in fear of the Jews. Again there is no record of worship or celebration as to a new or different feast day. The assumption among the Jews was that the body had been carried off, not resurrected, with the disciples probably being the ones responsible. The first day of the week (Sunday) was when the body of Messiah was reported missing from the tomb. Could this be why the disciples were locked away in fear on that day? Just a question. These men hadn't been through Shavuot (Pentecost) yet. They were anything but fearless at this point. But this is the problem: an ambiguous statement taken so far out of context, to the degree of overturning the 7th day rest given by Yah in Genesis, for worship on Sun-day (the day of pagan Sun God worship). The enemy has done his work well. But I do believe it was all part of the Master's plan from the beginning.
Revelation 1:10-"I was in the Spirit on the day of our Master YHWH….". The Aramaic reads "b'yoma'MaranaYah" or "day of our Master YHWH". There were additions to the Greek text later that implied a Sunday rendering to this scripture. But in the original Greek, no specific day was given. What it does refer to is Yah's day of judgment, which is marked by the blowing of the Shofar. Intentional or not, bad translating!
I Corinthians 16:1-2
1. And as to the collection for the Set Apart believers, as I directed the assemblies of the Galatians, so do you.
2.On each first day of the week, let everyone of you lay aside and preserve at home what he is able; that there be no collections when I come.
"On each first day of the week" is one way of saying this, but it infers a knowledge of what is actually being said. In Greek the phrase is: "kata mia sabbaton", which literally means "after one of the Shabbats" prepare the collection. For what reason? So there would be no preparations (collections) made on the Shabbat. It was to be prepared ahead of time, that no work be done on Shabbat, upholding the 7th day.
Some of this might sound like splitting hairs, but when it comes to overturning the Word of Yah, innuendo, misinterpretation, bad translations, having an agenda, ambiguity and so on should be a reason to be more precise. As was said before, if someone wants to worship on the first day of the week, that is great. But accepting the 1st day while rejecting the 7th day……Messiah will work that out with all of us when we stand before Him at the judgment seat of Messiah! Not the best of times and places to be figuring this out. Beforehand is much better!!!
I will get back with you on Kashrut, the dietary laws you asked about.
"AL", (that your real name "AL"?Just wondering)
Every day is the sabbath for the TRUE believer in Christ Jesus. I have shabat with Him every day because it is my desire to do so.
It's not about which specific "day" it is to rest and have fellowship with Jesus. Jesus made a way to have fellowship EVERYDAY with Him because of what He did by dieing on the cross.Every day a true believer can have boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, by the sacrifice of His flesh as the final sin offering for mankind.
It's a done deal and He made a way for us. It's not about which day is more "sacred". EVERY day is holy unto the Lord.
Do you fellowship everyday with Jesus thru the Spirit Al? You can you know. It doesn't have to be just one day set aside for Him.
It's called "grace" which is imputed to the true believer by Christ, that the righteous Apostle Paul told us about in His letter of Ephesians.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. " (Ephesians 2: 8-9)
Jesus himself is our peace, who has made the two groups ( the circumcised and the uncircumcised) one group and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
One NEW man! Cool isn't it?
We are now not under the law but under grace, and we obey the law in our hearts out of love and obedience for what He did for us.
Very simple to understand when you KNOW the one who purchased His life for you so that you could partake of His. He gave it to us as a gift.
Why don't you reach out and except this most precious gift?
Dear Mr. "Beast", ( Is that your real name, Mr. "Beast"? Or do you go by your first name, "Watch"? )
The view you expressed here in quite common in the Evangelical church- that every day is a now Sabbath. But that does not mean this it is correct.
I spent time in a "Bible church" and I remember one of the staff pastors saying something like what you said. He told me that he didn't have any regular day off- but if he felt like playing golf once in a while he would just take a day off here and there. He mostly did hospital visitation and marriage counseling at the church.
A few years later his wife divorced him.
Do you think it's wrong to try, (not legalistically but within reason,) to set aside one day a week to spend with the one you love because you WANT to not because you have to?
Jesus said:
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
[Mark 2:27]
There is nothing wrong with setting aside one day to honor God in their heart, if that is what someone wants to do, but every day is a sabbath rest for a child of God.
But it does not HAVE to be JUST a "Sat" or a "Sun" etc. etc.
When you start saying a certain day MUST be set aside as your sabbath, because you say that is what God commands, THAT is where you come under legalism and have not the Spirit.
Every day IS a sabbath rest for the child of God who is not under the law but is under grace.
Hi Al,
Thanks for such a detailed response about the Sabbath – you make a good case.
I am not saying that "Sunday worship replaced the Shabbat." I am not saying that it's wrong to celebrate a Sabbath in the Jewish way, Friday night or SaturDAY. Neither am I saying that there is no Sabbath any more because we are with God every day.
I do believe it is God's will for us, for our own good and blessing, to have one day a week to rest and spend with Him. It is clear to me that God designed us that way. That makes for a healthy relationship. What God desires from us first is friendship, and you can't have real friendship without choosing to spend quality time together on a regular basis.
The love of God, flowing from Him and back to Him, and a walk of obedience to His laws that He gave us for our own good, are what God wants. Love for other people will flow naturally from the love of God overflowing out of us.
I think we would agree that the most important thing about a weekly Sabbath is that we HAVE ONE. Not which day it is.
The 10 Commandments were given to the Jews as a wandering nation, and then in the Promised Land, as a Jewish theocracy or separated community.
But now that Jesus has opened the Gospel for all nations, which are mostly filled with pagans and pagan governments, I think we may need to apply the Sabbath principle in creative ways on a weekly basis, rather than insisting that it MUST be on Friday night / Saturday (even though that is the best.)
That is my current thinking on the Sabbath.
Please answer my legitimate questions Matthew that I have asked you now 4 times.
And please stop posting in EVERY single post how bad you think Apostle Paul is. Is that ALL you can say on here? Your arguments are silly, heretical and ineffective and you just make yourself look more foolish with your ridiculous unsupported arguments.True saints see thru your ridiculous assertions.
Thank you.
It is becoming increasingly obvious why "watchthebeast" is here:
to STEAL our time, energy, and peace,
to KILL our reputations, and
to DESTROY our conversations and sense of community.
Harassing us making lots of posts with false accusations, diversions, silly questions and nonsense, ignoring what we really said, misquoting us to confuse other people, refusing to admit when he is wrong on some clear facts that I literally put in front of him, dodging the issue, and then demanding that we "respond to his questions."