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New Granada Records & Team Clermont Announce SXSW Day Parties!
We are partnering with Tampa-based label New Granada for a two-day SXSW afternoon party at The Ghost Room . The parties will feature a number of New Granada bands as well as several artists from the Team Clermont roster. The event runs from 12PM to 6PM on Friday, March 19th and Saturday, March 20th. Details and bands are listed below. Hope to see you there!
What: New Granada Records & Team Clermont Day Parties
Where: The Ghost Room 304 West 4th Street
When: Friday, March 19th & Saturday, March 20th
Time: 12PM – 6PM
12:00 – Rec Center (Tampa)
01:00 – Venice Is Sinking (Athens)
02:00 – The Tenant (Austin/Orlando)
03:00 – Zillionaire (Tampa)
04:00 – New Roman Times (Austin)
05:00 – The Lows Lows (Austin)
12:00 – Packway Handle Band (Athens)
01:00 – Capybara (Kansas City)
02:00 – Red Room Cinema (Tampa)
03:00 – King Of Spain (Tampa)
04:00 – Yukon Blonde (Canada)
05:00 – Casper & The Cookies (Athens)
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These parties are free and open to the public.

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Hard News: Friday Music: Laneway 2013, Chilling in the Sun
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Thanks for that review Russ. Flume and Nicolas Jaar would've been my must-see acts of that lineup.
Laneway was reported last year in the media as signing up to the waterfront site for another three years.
Russell Brown, in reply to
Thanks for that review Russ. Flume and Nicolas Jaar would've been my must-see acts of that lineup.
I can pretty confidently say you'd have loved them both. I've been thrashing the Flume album since. It's great that this sort of thing is hit material.
Was a great day, I managed from Kings Of Convenience (nice they were too) through to the end of Jaar - usually tired legs and crowd boredom would see me home much earlier
Enjoyed the rocky acts the most - a style of music that suits these big affairs, Cloud Nothings 15 minute rock wig out was most enjoyable in the baking hot sun
Jaar whilst very enjoyable also bored me, a bit, his set would have sat better between DJs (ie no breaks), not as stand alone, lots of cutting elements and bringing them back a la teasing club styles perfectly done to bring on those chemical rushes... I wanted more songs less club as he is more than capable.
The new spaces and added shade was very well done, sucked the bar got closed down and the beer runout just as I needed one too
All up its a real nice day of music which the promoters have done well to improve on year after year in both lineups and venue, well done!
ooooh it's Etta James in the sample right?
Russell Brown, in reply to
It is! Do you want to go?
I'm first? sweet I'd love to go!
Russell Brown, in reply to
Sweet. Email me using the email link under the post (or the one next to my name here) and I'll sort that out for you.
Aaand for those who missed the majestic bailterspace at Laneway (like me) they are at the Kings Arms on 5 February.
Can I start a movement that says it is OK to grab the smart phone of anyone who holds it up at a concert and throw it as far as you can across the room. Just pay attention to the music and appreciate it instead of trying to get a bad recording of it on your stupid genital extension. Thank you . . . and sorry . . . just need to breathe . . .
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Heard this one last night:
Q: How do you know when someone has a smartphone? A: They show it to you
Russell Brown, in reply to
Can I start a movement that says it is OK to grab the smart phone of anyone who holds it up at a concert and throw it as far as you can across the room. Just pay attention to the music and appreciate it instead of trying to get a bad recording of it on your stupid genital extension.
Disagree! Even though the sound's a bit ropey, it's a good thing someone captured that Pink Frost cover for posterity. And I was really pleased with the video I got of @Peace doing 'Home' at last year's Splore.
Usual caveats apply, of course: don't impede anyone else, spending the whole gig holding up your phone is lame, etc. But I don't think it's a bad thing per se.
Otoh, I barely touched my phone all day at Laneway – I often have no wish whatsoever to be fiddling with a gadget in a setting like that.
Russell Brown, in reply to
It's beyond that now. As Thomas Beagle pointed out on Twitter, the more common response is feel sympathy for people who don't have a smartphone. We'd chuckle kindly last year when Media3's researcher would take out her battered Nokia ...
Sacha, in reply to
feel sympathy for people who don't have a smartphone
that sounds about right #sniff
Jackie Clark, in reply to
How rude! I feel your pain and join you in our phone penury situation
Nora I second you on The Men, they were my highlight of the afternoon, the difference between cd and live was ace -and they clearly loved playing their rock in the sun, plus Pink Frost sent (ahem) chills down my spine. But kids with phones.... There I was leaving AltJ (because they sounded exactly like the cd) got there early for Japandroids and as soon as they played the first lick got shoved outta the way by a group of kids with earplugs and cellphones. And it kinda struck me, if you're not at Laneways to hear it properly and you only want to view secondhand, why come to Laneways at all? Other than that 8/10
BenWilson, in reply to
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We'd chuckle kindly last year when Media3's researcher would take out her battered Nokia ...
My 2 year old one is still considered a boss device at University. They're not cheap, after all.
So I went to Pretty Lights last night and I'm fairly sure I was the oldest person in the building. But it was great! I wish he'd played a few more of his remixes (only Pink Floyd's 'Time', from memory) and there was a spell in the two-hour set where one filthy great break started to sound like another – but mostly, wow!
Ana, who was upstairs, has a good shot from there that she'll hopefully share here.
The underlying pics here are rather large because I'm having to post straight from my, er, smartphone.
Geoff Lealand, in reply to
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How do you feel about someone who has no mobile of any kind?
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Hmm, I guess you had to be there but the vocals on that cover of 'Pink Frost' are rather piss-weak.
Sacha, in reply to
Ambivalent - more useful phone just on my personal wishlist. Don't think everyone needs them.
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10 Games, 11 Days… Here We Go Oakland!
Fans, tonight kicks off a long homestand, and we need you at the Coliseum to rally on our boys in green and gold. The A's return from the road with a 6-4 record, and while they're still hanging on to 1st place in the AL West, it'd be nice to cushion our lead.
We kick off the 4-game Baltimore Orioles series tonight with an awesome giveaway: the "Sluggie." Yup, these are those cheesy things you see advertised on late-night TV, but this one looks somewhat more stylish with the A's motif scattered about. I had my misgivings when trying the thing on, but I have to say, it sure was warm and comfortable! And if you're not totally digging the open-back, hospital gown style, it can still be used as a large blanket.
Be sure to be one of the first 10,000 fans through the gates tonight and you'll receive your very own fleece Sluggie. Check out these photos from a promotional video shoot with Stomper and the Herd and note how easily Stomper fits into his Sluggie!
See you at the game tonight, fans. And then again next week for the New York Yankees and Cleveland Indians. Let's Go Oakland!
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Kara – please interview Banjo man for me. And also, trade me Bret Anderson because I drafted him for you when I actually wanted him.


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I2P dev meeting, May 29, 2002 @ 00:00 UTC
(Courtesy of the wayback machine http://www.archive.org/)
Quick recap
- Present:
Aroonkoa, Aster, athena, Banks, Chocolate, codeshark, ellison, Kronos-X, MiB, mids, Mole, Neo, nop, ptsc, SkyRat, Somedude, tikk, UserX, Zwolly,
Filazalazana feno momban'ny IRC
--- Log opened Tue May 28 22:39:11 2002
22:39 <+logger> logging started
22:40 -!- mids changed the topic of #iip-dev to: IIP Development Channel (moderated) | Weekly development meetings happen here at 0000 UTC wed. (tue if you are in a minus tz) | (during meetings) live logfile http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/meeting2/livelog.txt
22:52 -!- mode/#iip-dev [-v logger] by mids
23:42 -!- mids changed the topic of #iip-dev to: IIP Development Channel (moderated) | Weekly development meetings happen here at 0000 UTC wed. (tue if you are in a minus tz) | http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/
--- Day changed Wed May 29 2002
00:16 [Users #iip-dev]
00:16 [@mids] [ athena] [ logger] [ MiB] [ SubLiminaL]
00:16 -!- Irssi: #iip-dev: Total of 5 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 4 normal]
00:26 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o UserX] by mids
00:29 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o codeshark] by mids
00:32 <@codeshark> mids: i have an additional topic for today
00:32 <@codeshark> we need more relays
00:33 <@mids> where do you want it?
00:34 <@codeshark> stability of networks
00:34 <@mids> done
00:56 <@UserX> mids: i'm going to have to leave about 30 minutes after the meeting starts
00:56 <@mids> ok, if you have agenda items, please msg them to me, and they will be discussed
00:56 <@mids> same if you want to shuffle the order
00:57 <@mids> though I tried to move the most important ones to the top
00:58 <@codeshark> add to agenda items: change meeting time
00:59 <@mids> to when?
00:59 <@codeshark> needs to be discussed
01:00 <@mids> ok
01:00 <@codeshark> for me it's a bit too late
01:00 <@codeshark> 2 AM ...
01:22 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o nop] by mids
01:51 -!- mode/#iip-dev [-m] by mids
01:51 * mids unmoderates till it start
01:51 <@codeshark> my notebook has power for 38 minutes
01:52 * codeshark wonders if that's enough
01:52 <@mids> brb
01:53 <@mids> re
01:54 < MiB> Side question: I noticed mids' page is .nl... how many of you are Dutch? I'm a Belgian myself.
01:54 <@mids> we have atleast 10 dutch(wo)men here
01:54 < MiB> Wow, leuk om weten :)
01:55 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o nop] by mids
01:55 < athena> codeshark: where are you at 2am that doesn't have a power outlet?? :)
01:57 <@codeshark> i have, but i'm too lazy
01:59 -!- mids changed the topic of #iip-dev to: Meeting info, agenda, livelog including live logs in case you are late):
01:59 -!- mids changed the topic of #iip-dev to: Meeting info, agenda, livelog (in case you are late): http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/
02:00 <@nop> ok
02:00 <@nop> welcome
02:00 <@nop> to our 2nd meeting
02:00 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+m] by mids
02:00 <@nop> at IIP
02:00 <@mids> This is the first public IIP meeting, we plan to have such a meeting each week at the same time and place.
02:00 <@mids> Previous meeting ( http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/meeting1/ ) was non public, this one is.
02:00 <@mids> We will moderate the meetings to prevent chaos. After the subject is stated, the channel will be unmoderated
02:00 <@mids> so you can talk. If this becomes too chaotic, it will be kept moderated and then if you have a question or
02:00 <@mids> want to contribute something, message someone with ops (@) or voice (+)
02:00 <@mids> Meeting info, agenda, livelog (in case you are late): http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/
02:00 <@mids> .
02:00 <@nop> ok
02:01 <@nop> let's get started, I've been so busy today
02:01 <@nop> multitasking
02:01 <@nop> so you'll have to excuse if I'm in and out
02:01 <@mids> np
02:01 <@nop> agenda list
02:01 <@mids> Topics:
02:01 <@mids> 1) Welcome
02:01 <@mids> 2) Stability network
02:01 <@mids> 3) Project management
02:01 <@mids> 4) Instant Anonymous Messenger
02:01 <@mids> 5) Website
02:01 <@mids> 6) Documentation
02:01 <@nop> ok
02:01 <@mids> 7) Other
02:01 <@nop> stability network
02:01 <@mids> 8) Questions?
02:01 <@mids> 9) Next meeting
02:01 <@mids> .
02:02 -!- mode/#iip-dev [-m] by mids
02:02 <@nop> as you may have noticed
02:02 <@mids> maybe initial questions?
02:02 <@nop> sure
02:02 <@mids> anybody....
02:02 < Neo> hi.
02:02 < Neo> do you know the causes of the network problems?
02:02 <@mids> Neo: that will be answered in a minute
02:02 <@nop> ok
02:02 <@mids> first we look if there are initial questions
02:02 <@nop> any initial questions
02:02 <@mids> guess not, nop go on (+m)
02:03 <@nop> ok
02:03 <@nop> network stability
02:03 <@nop> the reasons of this are many
02:03 <@nop> for one
02:03 <@nop> this network has been sitting in a laptop on a desk at my work for a long time
02:03 <@nop> problem with this is
02:03 <@nop> someone moved the laptop
02:03 <@nop> not thinking it needed to be on
02:03 <@nop> so... that was one problem
02:04 <@nop> second
02:04 <@nop> I decided to move it
02:04 <@nop> to a beefier box
02:04 <@nop> especially because of all the Diffie-Hellman calculations
02:05 <@mids> can you explain the case with the DH?
02:05 <@nop> it is now gone from a 300 mhz
02:05 <@nop> actually
02:05 <@nop> 366 mhz
02:05 <@nop> to a 933 mhz
02:05 <@nop> from 128 megs of ram to 512
02:05 <@nop> big difference
02:05 <@nop> :)
02:05 <@nop> Pent II - Pent III
02:05 <@nop> ok
02:05 <@nop> from that point
02:05 <@nop> we found a memfree assertion error - actually athena also discovered it running rc2
02:06 <@nop> and this problem needed to be addressed
02:06 <@nop> which was
02:06 <@nop> and just recently
02:06 <@nop> upon fixing that problem
02:06 <@nop> it has been since stable
02:06 <@nop> now
02:06 <@nop> we would really love to move away from centralization and that's our main goal
02:06 <@nop> but it's a one step at a time type of deal, and this is a developer's network
02:06 <@nop> so sometimes reliability is not it's best
02:07 <@nop> but I am trying to keep everyone happy at this level
02:07 <@nop> any questions
02:07 <@nop> regarding this matter
02:07 <@mids> can you explain the case with the DH?
02:07 <@nop> Case with DH
02:07 <@nop> Diffie-Hellman key exchange calculations take a lot of processes
02:07 <@nop> so when it goes down for a sec
02:07 <@nop> and everyone tries to connect
02:07 <@nop> it spikes the cpu at 99%
02:08 <@nop> because lots of calculations are taking place
02:08 <@nop> our goal
02:08 -!- mode/#iip-dev [-s] by mids
02:08 <@nop> to fix this
02:08 <@nop> we have done a few things
02:08 <@nop> we put a poll/delay to handle calculations better
02:08 <@nop> and 2
02:08 <@nop> we are planning on implemented a better Multi-precision library in the future
02:09 <@nop> any more questions regarding this matter
02:09 <@mids> I have one thing to ad:
02:09 <@nop> ok
02:09 <@nop> please
02:09 <@mids> network graph: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iipstats/network.html
02:09 <@mids> as you see (especially at weekly)
02:09 <@mids> after a long network downtime
02:09 <@mids> we loose a big time of users
02:09 <@mids> and it takes a long time to gain them back
02:09 <@mids> this is bad for our reputation
02:09 <@nop> and for anonymity
02:09 <@mids> maybe we should communicate better with the users
02:09 <@nop> more users the better
02:10 <@nop> agreed
02:10 <@mids> when you know that the net will go down: do a global announcement
02:10 <@nop> ok
02:10 <@nop> sometimes
02:10 <@nop> I don't know
02:10 <@mids> if you observe that it is down: update status on site
02:10 <@mids> .
02:10 <@nop> ok
02:10 <@nop> any questions or comments on this topic
02:10 < athena> if i can make a suggestion: a brief update in the ircd motd would be great also
02:10 * Neo things update status on site is really good idea
02:11 <@nop> ok athena : you are noted, and I will make my efforts in doing so
02:11 < athena> thanks'
02:11 < Neo> (sometimes I don't know if it is the network or just me)
02:11 <@nop> Neo and mids I agree on update status
02:11 <@nop> great idea
02:11 <@mids> codeshark had something on the node status
02:11 <@nop> k
02:11 <@codeshark> just thought it could be integrated in the nodechecker
02:12 <@nop> please elaborate
02:12 <@codeshark> if i see that all hosts are down (=network down), i could update the status page
02:12 <@nop> cool
02:12 <@nop> sounds great
02:13 <@nop> this also could go well with nym's who's online, instead of that, just have a network status page
02:13 <@mids> please use . when done
02:13 <@codeshark> .
02:13 <@nop> .
02:13 < Neo> .
02:13 <@mids> how many public relays do we have?
02:13 <@mids> .
02:13 <@codeshark> right now we 15 in the nodechecker list
02:13 <@codeshark> 13 are online
02:14 <@codeshark> .
02:14 <@nop> agenda
02:14 <@mids> do we need more?
02:14 <@mids> .
02:14 <@nop> we always need more
02:14 <@nop> that's a given
02:14 <@nop> :)
02:14 <@nop> .
02:14 <@codeshark> not for stability
02:14 <@codeshark> but for anonymity
02:14 <@codeshark> .
02:14 <@nop> yes
02:14 <@nop> .
02:14 <@mids> other questions/
02:14 <@mids> .
02:14 <@nop> this . thing is funny
02:14 <@nop> .
02:14 * mids does no . after a question anymore
02:15 <@mids> okay, next
02:15 <@mids> 3) Project management
02:15 <@nop> mids - you might want to open up on that
02:15 <@mids> maybe we should try to be more professional
02:15 <@mids> while keeping it fun
02:15 <@nop> well
02:15 <@nop> maybe more organized
02:15 <@mids> publish our milestones
02:15 <@nop> professionaly is up for debate
02:16 <@mids> delegate tasks
02:16 <@nop> the challenge with professional is we can't be committed every single day to this, because of real life
02:16 <@nop> but yes
02:16 <@nop> we should definitely delegate tasks
02:16 <@nop> which
02:16 <@nop> I think we do
02:16 <@nop> but not everyone has remained in contact about their task
02:16 <@mids> maybe make delegation more open
02:16 <@mids> so everybody knows who to inform about what
02:16 <@nop> ok
02:16 <@nop> yes
02:16 * Neo has a suggestion re: project management helper that we are using in DC.
02:16 <@mids> I remember several cases of double work
02:16 <@mids> .
02:16 <@mids> yes Neo ?
02:17 < Neo> Mr Project.
02:17 <@nop> an agent?
02:17 < Neo> Here is our release schedule: http://citystateinc.com/dc/dc_project_5-28-2002.gif
02:17 < Neo> Its a task sheduler thing, take a look at the gif it explains it pretty much.
02:17 < Neo> Its just a helper tool.
02:18 <@nop> sounds good
02:18 <@nop> also
02:18 <@nop> we need a whiteboard type communication device
02:18 <@nop> something that can allow developer's to communicate visually
02:18 <@nop> especially as we dive deeper into complications of anonymous network
02:18 <@nop> s
02:18 <@codeshark> mids and I tried some whiteboard stuff
02:18 <@nop> networks
02:18 <@codeshark> but it doesn't seem to be very useful
02:18 <@codeshark> at least the tools we tried
02:18 <@codeshark> .
02:18 <@nop> hmm
02:18 <@mids> those we tried were too slow and limited
02:18 <@mids> .
02:19 <@nop> hmm
02:19 <@nop> what did you try
02:19 <@mids> some freshmeat ones
02:19 <@nop> k
02:19 <@mids> does anybody have good experience with public whiteboards?
02:19 <@nop> guess not
02:19 <@mids> hm, nope
02:19 <@mids> :)
02:19 <@nop> well
02:19 <@nop> maybe we should delegate a task
02:19 <@mids> put it on the todo
02:20 <@nop> todo/task delegateion
02:20 <@nop> who wants to assist in finding a whiteboard that would suit developer's needs
02:20 <@nop> it can always be more than one person as well
02:20 <@mids> well, if I find one, I wont keep it a secrey
02:20 <@nop> k
02:20 <@nop> well it's on the todo
02:20 <@mids> but it has to be multiplatform
02:20 <@nop> yes
02:21 <@mids> ok
02:21 < Neo> nop, what do you see people finding the whiteboard useful for? (curious of your ideas)
02:21 <@nop> well, I am visual with networks
02:22 <@nop> and I know there have been a few times
02:22 <@nop> that visual drawings make sense
02:22 <@nop> rather than chatting on irc
02:22 < Neo> k, thanks :)
02:22 <@nop> that can be limiting and hard to get your algorithm/network design across
02:22 <@mids> especially the explination of the relays
02:22 < Neo> some screen grabs could come in handy for docs also.
02:22 <@nop> yes
02:23 <@nop> so far
02:23 <@nop> I've come to the point of drawing it out and faxing it last time
02:23 <@nop> :)
02:23 <@mids> lol
02:23 <@nop> ok - anyway
02:23 <@codeshark> nop: email :)
02:23 <@nop> noted that whiteboard would be a plus
02:23 <@nop> yeah yeah
02:23 <@mids> other point:
02:23 <@nop> email smemail
02:23 <@nop> you guys think we're like geeks or somethin
02:24 <@mids> banks suggested to follow the thought of the Cathedral Bazaar thing by Eric Raymond: release often
02:24 <@nop> I'm still learning email ;)
02:24 <@mids> I think that is under project management too
02:24 <@nop> umm, link
02:24 <@codeshark> (... release early)
02:24 <@mids> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
02:25 <@codeshark> i think that's what we doing. or do you want to release more often?
02:25 <@codeshark> .
02:25 <@mids> Banks?
02:25 < Banks> I'm not sure yet
02:26 * mids guesses he is just anxious to see RC2
02:26 < Banks> it helps people to see that the path to RC2 is advancing swiftly :)
02:26 <@nop> RC2 is done - it's docs that are being the hold up
02:26 <@mids> docs are point 6
02:26 <@nop> k
02:27 < Banks> Docs on RC2?
02:27 <@mids> Banks: yes
02:27 <@nop> well, docs for 1.1 official release
02:27 <@nop> but yes
02:27 <@nop> if we don't get progress done
02:27 <@nop> on docs
02:27 <@nop> then we'll be lagged period
02:27 <@nop> for release of 1.1 Release
02:27 < Banks> I've just done a ton on the docs but not for RC2. Haven't sent it yet. Don't know cvs
02:28 <@nop> hehe
02:28 <@nop> ok
02:28 <@codeshark> banks: what did you do?
02:28 < Aster> hola
02:28 <@mids> hi Aster please check the notices
02:28 < Aster> which notices?
02:28 < Aster> im soo lost
02:28 < Aster> whats going onn? aaahhhh
02:28 <@mids> [notice(Aster)] welcome, the channel is moderated if you have something to say, message me or somebody else with ops or voice
02:28 <@mids> [notice(Aster)] Information, agenda and logs: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/
02:29 < Banks> codeshark: A handful of things. Related quotes at the beginning of each chapter, a small FAQ ...
02:29 < Banks> How to contribute
02:29 < Banks> Why Anonymity?
02:29 < ptsc> suggestion if i may be so bold: default option, which can be disabled, of 'crippling' urls to be non-clickable, in the proxy.
02:29 <@codeshark> ok. we have to talk about that in point 6
02:29 <@mids> great
02:29 < Banks> How to configure a WinXP firewall to allow IIP
02:30 <@mids> ptsc: what do you mean?
02:30 < ptsc> perhaps by chaning http to some other string such as wysiwyg or url or something unlikely to be anonymity compromising, like the anonymity tripwire in freenet
02:30 <@mids> you mean, that if I say http://www.google.com/ that it will be censored?
02:31 < ptsc> since the easiest means of compromising anonymity is to post a honeypot url to a crowded channel
02:31 < SkyRat> no just not clickable
02:31 <@mids> anybody want to respond on that one?
02:31 < ptsc> this should be something that can be disabled.
02:31 < Banks> That would have to be done at the IRC client level wouldn't it?
02:31 < athena> or server
02:32 <@mids> it can be done on the server level
02:32 <@mids> but I think there is some responcibility for the user
02:32 < ptsc> contaminating server traffic might be bad
02:32 <@mids> should we also change telephone numbers?
02:32 < Banks> Lot of overhead though isn't it?
02:32 * Neo thinks manipulating content should not be done with the system. that is a pure client issue
02:32 < athena> think this problem can't be solved
02:33 < Banks> It's a good point though
02:33 <@mids> maybe a specialmodified security client
02:33 <@mids> see point 5!
02:33 <@mids> err 4
02:33 * Banks is trying not to jump to the docs part, "I mentioned it in the docs"
02:33 <@mids> hehe
02:33 * Neo thinks mids is correct, it has a place in a custom client maybe, or in "security" patches to existing clients
02:33 < athena> there should be discussion of this in the manual... i.e. "ways of losing your anonymity"
02:34 <@mids> I suggest going on , and see what point 4 brings us after MiBs comment
02:34 < MiB> :)
02:34 < MiB> You spoke about better communication with users a bit earlier, how do you feel about a public mailing list and/or BBS where developers and testers can conversate with each other?
02:34 <@mids> afaik we have 1 mailinglist
02:34 * athena points out #iip
02:34 <@mids> iip-dev mainly for development
02:35 < Banks> Maybe an IRC chan where people who can't connect to IIP can go?
02:35 <@mids> although also other topics
02:35 <@codeshark> we have the bug-list on sourceforge too
02:35 < ptsc> i actually have written a sort of 'guide for the clueless'
02:35 < ptsc> including some of these
02:36 < Banks> I saw that at deja, ptsc. Nice.
02:36 < ptsc> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ss9rdugclv39cemnk4ue9t8jv6n8se8a3h%404ax.com&output=gplain
02:36 < ptsc> it is written to a specialized audience concerning an iip channel that is as yet relatively uninhabited
02:36 < ptsc> thx
02:36 < Banks> It's a good idea for a chan
02:37 < ptsc> i think it captures the "fool's mate" ways of trashing your own anonymity, but i do believe more sophisticated attacks could be made especially by an opponent who both has surveillance capability and is running a node.
02:37 <@mids> cool for an howto I would say!
02:38 <@mids> noe?j
02:38 <@mids> err
02:38 < Neo> Re: BBS - Distribued City is a ssl/web based community system located at xs4all. We welcome IIP forums in our forum section.
02:38 <@mids> neo?
02:38 < Banks> I tried to put some of it into the docs.
02:38 < ptsc> i think it's beyond a mid-level opponent such as an unaided church of scientology but assisted by hackers and/or a corrupt node, and a manipulated federal agency (FBI), i think you could possibly bust it open
02:39 < ptsc> it doesn't have the latency of the remailer network (and in fact couldn't, and still be reasonably 'instant')
02:39 < Neo> The DC system also has GPG Web private messaging. Mids and I and others have kept in contact when IIP was down, and also relevant discussion of issues related to IIP.
02:39 < Neo> We are in beta now, but opening to public soon.
02:39 < Neo> .
02:39 <@mids> So we can use DC for the non-irc part of IIP
02:39 <@mids> forums, announcements
02:39 < Neo> You bet.
02:39 < Banks> A corrupt node would have to unscramble the end-to-end encryption too, wouldn't it?
02:39 < Neo> We trashed our chat system, and are using IIP, so you guys jump right in.
02:40 <@mids> Banks: err, thats offtopic atm
02:40 < Banks> mids: You're right
02:40 <@mids> I suggest discussing the IIP internals later
02:40 < ptsc> i guess by 'corrupt' i meant the person rather than the node
02:40 <@mids> lets hurry and move on before chocolate joins
02:40 <@mids> any objections?
02:40 < ptsc> and by that, i mean just that the person is going to run netstat periodically and log who is connecting to them,
02:41 < ptsc> while also being logged in a channel as a nick, watching who shows up, and weeding people out by a process of elimination
02:41 < Neo> We can give IIP their own custom forums. - Newbies - Tech - Dev... let us know.
02:41 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o Chocolate] by mids
02:41 < ptsc> they could also get network internals of other nodes they connect to, and then obtain subpoenas/'carnivore' capability on those nodes
02:41 <@mids> ptsc: its offtopic
02:41 <@mids> please discuss it later
02:41 <@mids> (getting chaotic)
02:41 < ptsc> apologies
02:41 <@mids> np
02:42 <@mids> 4) Instant Anonymous Messenger (wilde wont be here)
02:42 <@mids> wilde was too sleepy
02:42 <@mids> so u
02:42 <@nop> ok
02:42 <@mids> so I 'll just paste what he said:
02:42 <@nop> please do
02:42 <@mids> Status and features:
02:42 <@mids> wilde started to work on an IM, easy to use program to connect to IIP.
02:42 <@mids> He got the IRC connection working. The plugin system works too.
02:42 <@mids> Apart from IRC and IM support there will also be features for digital
02:42 <@mids> currencies. He is looking into cryptography now.
02:42 <@mids> For further information email firstname.lastname@example.com or visit #iam-dev
02:42 <@mids> .
02:42 <@nop> ok
02:42 <@nop> also
02:42 <@nop> if freenet ever gets stable
02:42 <@nop> it would be nice to add a dcc transport
02:42 <@nop> that utilizes freenet
02:42 <@nop> as a plugin
02:43 <@mids> yup
02:43 <@nop> ok
02:43 <@nop> sounds good
02:43 <@nop> any questions
02:43 <@mids> and maybe, like ptsc suggested
02:43 < Banks> True, but won't RC2 have DCC?
02:43 <@mids> filter the IRC, to disable urls
02:43 <@nop> IIP rc2 will not have dcc
02:43 <@nop> it compromises anonymity
02:43 <@nop> file sharing will have to be later within IIP
02:44 <@nop> but it's in planning
02:44 < Banks> ok, I thought there might be a way to do it without compromise
02:44 <@nop> not till we decentralize
02:44 <@nop> then there will be
02:44 <@nop> utilizing broker agents
02:44 <@nop> etc
02:44 <@nop> we have a fileserv plugin for xchat
02:44 <@nop> that does base64
02:44 <@nop> anyway
02:44 <@nop> that's the plan
02:44 <@nop> ok
02:44 <@nop> next topic
02:45 <@mids> maybe questions
02:45 <@mids> but we dont know all answers
02:45 <@mids> cause wilde aint here
02:45 <@mids> :)
02:45 <@mids> so just ask, he can read them in the logs
02:45 < Neo> wilde coding in perl?
02:45 <@nop> java
02:45 <@mids> java
02:45 <@nop> I believe
02:46 <@mids> he bases it on a full IM client that a friend of him wrote
02:46 < Neo> ah
02:46 <@mids> okay, lets hurry to topic 5
02:46 <@mids> we have 9 in total
02:47 <@nop> topic number 5 is ...
02:47 <@nop> drum roll please
02:47 <@mids> write your burning quesitons down
02:47 <@mids> 5) Website
02:47 <@nop> ahh
02:47 <@nop> yes
02:47 <@nop> the lag
02:47 <@mids> I want to give the word to nym
02:47 <@nop> yeah
02:47 <@nop> umm
02:47 <@mids> nym?
02:47 <@mids> okay
02:47 <@nop> ok
02:47 <@nop> site looks ok
02:47 <@mids> he was here last week
02:47 <@nop> the fear I have
02:47 <@mids> and appologied for the delay
02:47 <@nop> is that it will take him forever to update any changes
02:47 <@mids> he has made a new updayed design:
02:47 <@mids> http://buttsnot.com/invisible2.html
02:48 <@nop> or press releases
02:48 <@mids> the first one was http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/meeting1/draft2.jpg
02:48 <@nop> so dunno
02:48 <@mids> any comments on the looks?
02:48 <@nop> and we need a plan b
02:48 <@nop> just in case he never shows a stable site
02:48 < tikk> nice job.. and i'm a designer
02:48 < tikk> there's a few table errors
02:48 < Neo> ellison is available for plan b
02:48 < Aster> its ok, could use some more work
02:49 < tikk> cosmetic stuff
02:49 <@nop> neo are you sure
02:49 <@nop> that would be great
02:49 <@nop> also Neo
02:49 <@nop> thnx for the IIP stuff you wrote
02:49 <@mids> I think it is not good enough for > 15 hours work
02:49 <@nop> it's impressive
02:49 < Neo> yes, he already offered
02:49 <@nop> great
02:49 < Neo> what IIP stuff?
02:49 <@nop> dc
02:49 <@nop> on dc beta
02:50 < Neo> OH. ellison did that :)
02:50 <@nop> also
02:50 <@nop> well thank him
02:50 <@nop> also
02:50 <@nop> does ellison do logo design?
02:50 < Neo> will do, he will read this log
02:50 <@mids> FYI, ellison is the gfx guy of Distributed City
02:50 < Neo> you bet.
02:50 <@nop> kewl
02:50 < Neo> and alta/lese/liquid privacy
02:50 <@nop> is he fast working
02:50 <@nop> like we would be able to see something soon
02:50 <@nop> type of deal
02:50 <@nop> because I"m bout ready to put my foot down
02:50 <@nop> and go with plan b
02:51 < Neo> he will be on later, we can have a quick meeting then, I can't speak for him
02:51 <@mids> update on nym
02:51 <@nop> ok
02:51 <@mids> he got $100 from us to do a design
02:51 <@mids> payed out of the donations depot
02:51 < Neo> now but I know that he was very interested in doing something for IIP if the opportunity arose.
02:51 <@mids> all the donators agreed
02:51 <@mids> but, what we have now is not usable
02:51 <@mids> it is going too slow
02:51 <@nop> and we know 100$ ain't much
02:52 <@nop> but I don't feel that we even have that worth
02:52 <@mids> but well, we dont have more
02:52 <@mids> I am sure that nym means it all right
02:52 <@nop> we gave it to him like more than a month ago
02:52 <@mids> but lacks the time
02:52 <@nop> yes
02:52 <@nop> I understand
02:52 <@nop> but we have to be practical
02:52 < Aster> once he gets the design done, someone else (ide be willing to) get the rest together
02:52 <@mids> we want a website asap
02:52 <@mids> Aster: thanks
02:52 <@nop> and good logo's
02:52 <@nop> yes thanks
02:53 <@mids> so what are the options:
02:53 <@mids> - use what we have and craft it into a site
02:53 <@mids> - put another gfx guy/girl on it
02:53 <@mids> - keep the old site
02:53 <@nop> old site has to go
02:53 <@nop> I like it
02:53 <@nop> but it's too villany
02:53 <@mids> - wait for nym to finish it
02:54 <@nop> and casper == copyright infringement
02:54 < Banks> I think the old site is pretty good. Logo and Times New Roman aside.
02:54 <@nop> hehe
02:54 <@nop> you know
02:54 <@nop> you'd be surprised
02:54 <@nop> but that was done in 10 minutes
02:54 < Banks> shame that Gamespy had to steal our logo before we had a chance to create it :)
02:54 <@nop> haha
02:55 <@nop> ok
02:55 <@nop> so on topic of website
02:55 <@nop> reverting back to old one is last option at most
02:55 <@nop> I'm really wanting to go for a brighter look
02:55 <@nop> something more professional
02:55 <@nop> because
02:55 <@nop> if we get attention by press
02:55 <@nop> the darkness will give way to the "media hacker" term
02:56 < Banks> true. I think we should think about who the target market is and cater it to that.
02:56 <@nop> and IIP will not go down like that
02:56 <@nop> Banks: agreed
02:56 <@nop> the target market is how you market it though
02:56 <@nop> the way I see this
02:56 < Neo> ellison can *REALLY* help you with this.
02:56 <@nop> yes
02:56 <@nop> I see
02:56 <@mids> I have seen ellisons work
02:56 <@nop> I have as well, it's very good
02:56 <@mids> and if he wants, lets give him a try
02:56 <@nop> PR and website == one idea
02:57 < Banks> True, but there's already an audience for it. Slashdot-types.
02:57 < Aster> market to both groups: hackers and corp looking...have 2 sites
02:57 < Aroonkoa> And kuro5hin. :)
02:57 <@mids> about the $100, I see it as lost
02:57 <@nop> yes
02:57 <@mids> and we dont do such things again in the future
02:57 <@Chocolate> 2 sites is way to much overhead
02:57 <@mids> lets name it a learning phase
02:57 <@nop> yes
02:57 < Aster> chocolate: in what way?
02:57 <@nop> we want the invisibleNet front page
02:57 < Banks> The program itself is always significantly more important than the website.
02:57 <@nop> then the Invisible Irc Project page
02:58 < Banks> A good program markets itself.
02:58 <@nop> InvisibleNet is the Dev team
02:58 <@nop> all of us
02:58 <@nop> everyone using IIP
02:58 <@nop> is part of an invisibleNet
02:58 <@nop> :)
02:58 <@nop> a society so secret we don't even know ourselves
02:58 <@nop> ;)
02:58 <@nop> but seriously
02:58 <@nop> and then we need the main IIP page
02:58 <@mids> tikk offers his help too
02:58 <@mids> maybe we can make a little web-board
02:58 <@nop> tikk, much appreciated
02:58 <@mids> for input etc
02:59 < Neo> Banks: yes, but part of the marketing needs to cater to PR for political reasons ciphers only go so far
02:59 <@mids> who wants to participate in the webboard? (just an idea)
02:59 * mids
02:59 <@nop> Neo : please elaborate on that comment
02:59 < Banks> Neo: I agree
02:59 * nop doesn't quite understand yet
03:00 <@nop> also - mids : anytime Website is topic have website/PR as one topic
03:00 <@nop> because it is one in the same
03:00 <@mids> nop: yup
03:00 <@nop> ok
03:00 <@nop> well, if ellison is willing
03:00 <@nop> and tikk you are willing to offer advice
03:00 <@nop> let's do this
03:01 < Neo> re: PR. Like your comment above about the "media hacker" term. The dark "villianry" (sp?)
03:01 <@nop> and anyone else willing to get the website to the optimal point then hop on and let's go for it
03:01 <@nop> Neo: point seen - understood
03:01 < Neo> image is not good for PR - Political PR and marketing for new users PR.
03:01 < Neo> That is why people interested in saving money from people who try and take it away from
03:01 < Aster> nop: you mean as in webmaster, or just finishing the job of the site (hop on comment)
03:02 < tikk> i'm willing to help advise, sure.. i'm not sure if i'm +v here
03:02 < Neo> them and use crypto, it is better for them to use crypto for freedom of speech uses. not to capitalize on
03:02 <@mids> tikk: we hear you
03:02 <@nop> aster that's debatable, lately, I've been the semi-webmaster
03:02 <@mids> tikk: the chan isnt +m
03:02 <@nop> aster
03:02 < Aster> yup?
03:02 <@nop> if you want to it's an open position once we get it up
03:02 < Neo> how they are protecting assets. (nuff said, this is for another room/thread)
03:02 < Aster> sure
03:03 <@nop> I have a feeling this is going to be bigger than I can handle
03:03 <@mids> ok
03:03 <@nop> Neo : good point ;)
03:03 * mids asks contact info from parties involved
03:03 <@mids> and I'll notice you
03:03 <@nop> and pubkeys
03:03 <@nop> also
03:03 <@nop> on a side note
03:03 <@nop> everyone registered with trent
03:03 <@nop> has anonymail access
03:03 <@nop> firstname.lastname@example.com
03:04 <@nop> pgp compatible
03:04 <@nop> somewhat
03:04 <@nop> :)
03:04 <@nop> it's like memoserv here
03:04 <@nop> and is very useful
03:04 <@nop> continue
03:04 <@nop> off topic
03:04 <@mids> ok
03:04 <@nop> but needed to say
03:04 <@mids> (just ask in #iip for more info)
03:04 <@nop> yep
03:05 <@mids> I'll contact the parties who offered their interest in the web/pr
03:05 <@mids> lets move on
03:05 <@mids> ) Documentation (codeshark, cohesion or mids)
03:05 <@mids> cohesion isnt here
03:05 <@Chocolate> can I stick something in real fast?
03:05 <@nop> sure
03:05 <@mids> ok
03:05 <@Chocolate> going back to the whiteboard
03:05 * mids scrolls up
03:05 < Banks> That's what I'm always saying to my wife.
03:05 <@Chocolate> I found one called "CSV" (if I remeber rigth)
03:06 <@Chocolate> I'll find the url and send it to #iip
03:06 <@Chocolate> .
03:06 <@mids> nice
03:06 <@mids> 6) Documentation
03:06 <@mids> last week we had a lenghty talk
03:06 <@mids> 3 ppl involved with documentation
03:06 <@mids> all pretty busy
03:07 <@mids> docu is really needed before release
03:07 <@mids> there are 2 systems:
03:07 <@mids> LaTeX or Docbook
03:07 <@mids> we agreed on using LaTeX now
03:07 <@mids> and moving to docbook in a later state
03:08 <@mids> current latex is available on http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/docdemo/
03:08 < Banks> I was using HTML to PDF with HTMLDOC.
03:08 <@mids> but it needs review
03:08 <@mids> and also misses some items
03:08 <@mids> (unix install)
03:08 <@mids> probably anonymail can be added too it too as appendix
03:08 <@mids> now, we heared that a few people have made additions to the manual
03:09 <@mids> problem is that we dont know what version
03:09 <@mids> so lets coordinate that
03:09 <@mids> and put everything together
03:09 <@mids> .
03:09 <@mids> anybody something to add?
03:10 <@mids> hm
03:10 <@mids> we have 3 translations
03:10 < Banks> Is codeshark still here?
03:10 <@mids> spanish, french and dutch
03:10 <@mids> so it becomes a bit heavy
03:10 <@mids> we need documentation management.
03:11 <@mids> any news about cohesion's status?
03:11 <@mids> nop?
03:11 <@nop> here
03:11 <@nop> sorry
03:11 <@nop> umm
03:11 <@nop> he's around
03:11 <@nop> on earlier today
03:11 <@mids> but he is documentation manager not?
03:11 <@nop> umm
03:12 <@nop> yes
03:12 <@nop> hold
03:12 <@nop> just a sec
03:12 <@nop> someone at work talking in my ear
03:12 <@mids> :)
03:12 <@mids> --- advertizement ---
03:12 < Banks> Codeshark: Are you still here? Check your pm
03:13 <@mids> Banks: if you talk to him, tell him to respond here too :)
03:13 < Banks> codeshark has been idle 27mins 38secs
03:13 < Banks> :)
03:13 <@mids> darn, out of battery power
03:13 <@Chocolate> lol
03:14 <@nop> back
03:14 <@nop> ok
03:14 <@mids> ellison: we are now at the part 6) Documentation
03:14 <@nop> cohesion is document manager
03:14 <@mids> ok
03:14 <@nop> and main technical writer
03:14 <@mids> but he seems to be busy
03:14 <@nop> but people have real life
03:14 < ellison> thanks, catching up in the logs
03:14 <@nop> and I think that is what is going on
03:14 <@nop> so...
03:14 <@mids> true
03:14 <@nop> we should have a assistant doc manager
03:14 <@mids> suggestion: put as much as possible in CVS, so more can work on it
03:14 <@nop> so that this can continue
03:15 <@nop> mids = you seem like you have a lot on plate
03:15 <@nop> do you
03:15 <@nop> or does it seem that way
03:15 <@nop> with IIP that is
03:15 < Banks> I can help but I'm not familiar with CVS
03:15 <@nop> hold
03:15 <@mids> nop: yup
03:15 <@nop> banks
03:15 <@mids> need to delegate
03:15 <@nop> I'll get you doc on cvs
03:15 <@nop> well chocolate - how are you lately ol' buddy ol pal
03:16 <@nop> ok
03:16 <@mids> I can do the assistent doc management
03:16 < Banks> Does anyone want a copy of a PDF I churned out? Codeshark is busy right now.
03:16 <@mids> but I am not going to write
03:16 <@mids> I can put input into LaTex
03:16 <@mids> and keep it central
03:17 <@mids> it wont be much time for me
03:17 <@mids> Banks: url
03:17 <@nop> sure Banks
03:17 < Banks> Where do you want me to email it?
03:17 <@nop> mids = if you waill approve and put in cvs as a contrib
03:17 <@nop> waill =will
03:17 <@nop> aster
03:17 <@mids> nop: what? my latex of Banks pdf?
03:17 <@nop> I believe so
03:18 <@nop> also
03:18 < Aster> nop: hum?
03:18 <@nop> ellison wrote a good end users doc on dc beta
03:18 <@nop> much appreciated
03:18 <@nop> and could be very usable in future
03:18 <@nop> for general IIP
03:18 <@nop> on website
03:18 <@nop> here
03:18 <@nop> a getting started
03:18 <@nop> type thing
03:18 < Banks> mids: Do you want me to email it to email@example.com?
03:18 <@mids> Banks: please
03:19 < Banks> ok
03:19 <@nop> aster - mind if I delegate you a webmaster once site goes up
03:19 < Aster> nop: dont mind at all :)
03:19 < Banks> mids: Sent.
03:19 < ellison> nop: i can clean it up and re-purpose it for the site
03:19 <@nop> great
03:20 <@nop> ellison - at a later point in time
03:20 <@nop> we would like to discuss web dev with you
03:20 < ellison> ok
03:20 < Banks> mids: Tell me what you think.
03:20 <@mids> Banks: will do once I got it
03:21 <@nop> docs - anymore comments on docs
03:21 <@nop> or questions
03:21 < Banks> mids: Ok, I can send the HTML with BMPs later too.
03:21 < Banks> I've got a question.
03:21 <@mids> Banks: I'll contact you and put it central
03:21 <@nop> yes sir
03:21 < Banks> The whitepaper says "here is a "steady" streaming protocol, for those who can afford the bandwidth, for constant traffic, (which protects you from traffic analysis of any form, but will cause a 500 millisecond lag)."
03:22 < Banks> And then "[name of this parameter?]"
03:22 < Banks> What is the name of the parameter? :)
03:22 <@mids> euh
03:22 <@mids> too detailed
03:22 <@mids> this is a public meeting :)
03:22 <@Chocolate> isnt that offtopic?
03:22 < Banks> My bad.
03:22 <@mids> I got the contact info from those with documentation
03:23 <@mids> I will gather it
03:23 <@mids> and put it central
03:23 <@mids> then find editors to edit
03:23 <@mids> dont fear LaTeX or CVS
03:23 <@mids> you'll live
03:23 <@mids> :)
03:23 <@mids> .
03:23 < Banks> Reading up on LaTeX was a nightmare :)
03:23 <@Chocolate> ok so is Documentation finished?
03:24 <@mids> Chocolate: lol
03:24 <@mids> Chocolate: well, the subject here is
03:24 <@mids> I think.
03:24 * Chocolate kicks mids
03:24 <@Chocolate> thats what I ment
03:24 <@mids> oh :)
03:24 <@mids> before we go to a free-for-all question round
03:24 <@Chocolate> I ment "is agenda item 6 finished"
03:25 <@mids> lets do 1 more public thing
03:25 <@mids> about the meeting time
03:25 <@mids> Quick jump to topic 9 Next meeting:
03:25 -!- Chocolate changed the topic of #iip-dev to: Meeting info, agenda, livelog (in case you are late): http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/ | current topic: meeting time
03:25 <@mids> statement: current time too late for Europeans, better time?
03:25 <@mids> codeshark and me would prefer 2 hours earlier
03:26 <@mids> (its 3:30 am here now)
03:26 < Aster> ouch
03:26 <@mids> Kronos-X: we are now almost finished
03:27 <@mids> Kronos-X: trying to settle a better meeting time
03:27 < Kronos-X> I'm unpredictable, so I'm flexible by default.
03:27 < Kronos-X> :)
03:27 < MiB> 3:38 over here, 3 to 4 hours earlier would be much more humane for me :)
03:27 <@mids> nop: what about 2 hours earlier? choc? banks? neo?
03:28 <@Chocolate> IIRC 0000 is the earlyst nop can make it
03:28 < Neo> anytime is cool with me, its the others to ask. :)
03:28 <@Chocolate> 2200 tuesday should be ok for me
03:29 < Banks> Fine by me
03:29 <@Chocolate> it's important that nop and/or userx can make the meetings though
03:29 < Aster> uh, whats thaht eastern?
03:29 <@Chocolate> no, UTC
03:29 < Aster> what would be eastern then? ( i dont know how this time stuff works :)
03:29 <@mids> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
03:29 <@Chocolate> EDT is -5
03:29 < Aster> k
03:29 < ellison> oooh, an ISO compliant meeting!
03:29 < Kronos-X> Heh
03:30 <@mids> nop seems to be busy
03:30 <@mids> he has a veto on the time imho
03:30 <@Chocolate> same
03:30 <@mids> those who showed up didnt complain
03:30 <@mids> so proposal is 2 hours earlier
03:30 <@mids> end of meeting time?
03:30 <@mids> .
03:31 <@mids> topic 7/8 Free 4 all Question round!!!
03:31 <@mids> sorry for cutting you all off earlier
03:31 <@mids> take revenge now
03:31 <@Chocolate> lol
03:31 <@nop> sorry
03:31 <@nop> back
03:31 <@mids> nop: 2 hours earlier meeting okay?
03:31 <@nop> ooh
03:31 <@nop> well, I'm in prime of working time
03:31 <@mids> be honest
03:32 <@nop> hmm
03:32 <@nop> can we shoot for an hour earlier
03:33 <@nop> I can get in trouble for chatting at work at that time in the day
03:33 <@mids> yup
03:33 <@mids> then we will try that
03:34 <@nop> ok
03:34 <@mids> okay... questions!
03:34 -!- mids changed the topic of #iip-dev to: Meeting info, agenda, livelog (in case you are late): http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/ | current topic: Questions
03:34 < Kronos-X> mids: Where are the .debs?
03:34 < Kronos-X> ;)
03:34 <@nop> teach us old wise one
03:34 <@nop> and we will make .debs
03:34 <@nop> :)
03:34 <@mids> Kronos-X: you would make them!
03:34 < Kronos-X> Heh.
03:35 < Kronos-X> Sorry, I'm just here to bump the noise-to-signal ratio.,
03:35 < Kronos-X> Let me pass the mic on to someone with a real question.
03:35 <@nop> hehe
03:35 <@mids> ptsc: any Q about the protocol?
03:35 < Banks> ptsc has been idle 53mins 56secs :)
03:36 <@mids> okay, banks' PDF is online on http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/meeting2/
03:36 <@nop> did we discuss roadmaps
03:36 <@nop> etdd
03:36 <@mids> it looks cool already
03:36 <@nop> etc
03:37 <@mids> nop: only that rc2 depends heavily on docs
03:38 <@nop> ok
03:39 <@nop> this pdf kicks ass
03:39 <@nop> just need the invisible irc logo in there
03:40 <@nop> and you're done eh:)
03:40 <@mids> I love the quotes and the screenshots
03:40 < Banks> Casper?
03:40 <@mids> even a FAQ!
03:40 <@mids> Banks: why didn't you tell us before?
03:40 < Banks> I spoke to codeshark but he didn't really say anything.
03:42 <@nop> no
03:42 <@nop> take the one off the site
03:42 <@nop> for now
03:42 < Banks> ok
03:43 <@mids> I am going to sleep
03:43 <@mids> logger will keep running for a while
03:43 <@mids> thanks everybody for listening
03:43 < Neo> l8r mids
03:43 <@mids> night
03:44 <@Chocolate> night
03:44 < Banks> night mids
03:44 < Kronos-X> Night, mids.
03:44 < Aster> nite
03:45 < ellison> l8r mids
03:46 < Banks> Is there a logo in the works?
03:48 <@nop> umm yeah
03:48 <@nop> also
03:48 <@nop> we want to have
03:48 <@nop> pwered by InvisibleNet
03:48 <@nop> and IIP now logo's
03:49 < Banks> That's a good idea.
03:49 <@nop> banks
03:49 < Banks> It's hard to think of a logo that conveys IRC invisibility :)
03:49 <@nop> excellent pdf
03:49 < Aster> how long till these logos exist
03:49 <@nop> we will definitely use it for distro with IIP
03:49 < Banks> Cheers
03:49 <@nop> well
03:49 <@nop> I have some drafts of powered by invisiblenet
03:49 <@nop> but you know
03:49 <@nop> the goal of IRC is one thing
03:49 <@nop> but in the future
03:49 <@nop> Invisible Internet
03:49 <@nop> so...
03:50 < Banks> True
03:50 <@nop> IRC Is main project
03:50 <@nop> but it's so modular
03:50 <@nop> that rumors might start
03:50 < Banks> Logos with heads or faces seem to do pretty well. Redhat, Napster, etc.
03:50 < Banks> Rumors?
03:51 < Aster> banks: but do we want to copy the other guys, or come up with something unique, while still remeberable
03:51 <@nop> it's a joke, basically it will be so modular anything can be put in as a protocol to anonymize
03:51 < Banks> nop: I see :)
03:52 < Banks> Aster: A head or face can still be unique. I think they're better than geometric patterns, etc.
03:52 < Aster> yeah
03:53 <@Chocolate> anyone with a camelion as a maskot?
03:54 <@nop> geiko
03:54 <@nop> insurance
03:54 <@nop> :)
03:54 <@Chocolate> damn
03:54 <@Chocolate> the fuckers
03:54 <@Chocolate> they're a terible companie
03:55 < Banks> GameSpy has taken the Invisible Man thing
03:55 <@nop> yes
03:55 <@nop> they don't even do good at getting cheap insurance
03:55 <@Chocolate> maby a klingon bird of prey?
03:55 < Banks> :)
03:55 <@Chocolate> cloaked you know ;)
03:56 < Banks> Maybe footprints that disappear across the text.
03:57 <@nop> hehe
03:57 <@nop> ok, meeting is officially over
03:57 <@nop> just to let you know
03:58 <@nop> it's free for all
03:58 <@nop> anyone have a good slogan for IIP
03:58 <@mids> IIP - it keeps you awake
03:58 <@nop> hehe
03:58 < Neo> IIP - "Fuck the State"
03:59 <@nop> umm
03:59 < Neo> oh... sorry...
03:59 <@nop> no
03:59 < Neo> :) lol
03:59 < Banks> I love that one Neo :)
03:59 < Banks> IIP - "Stuttering Urinators."
03:59 <@nop> hah
03:59 <@nop> haha
04:00 <@Chocolate> IIP - where animals talk
04:00 < Banks> Heh heh
04:01 < Banks> Maybe a Dog logo, you know, on the internet no one knows that you're a dog.
04:01 < Banks> An invisible dog! :)
04:01 < ellison> "and doubly-so with IIP"
04:02 < Banks> IIP - "Where AOLers can be free from prejudice"
04:03 <@nop> haha
04:05 <@Chocolate> IIP - Talk to yourself without people laughing at you
04:05 < Banks> Heh heh
04:10 -!- CwZ|away is now known as Somedude
04:11 <@Chocolate> hey Somedude
04:11 < Somedude> hey Chocolate
04:11 < Somedude> how goes?
04:11 <@Chocolate> I'm ok, you?
04:11 < Somedude> fine fine
04:12 < Banks> Heh heh
04:13 * Banks pm's Somedude, "We all hate Chocolate".
04:13 < Somedude> yea I do too
04:13 <@nop> hey guyes
04:14 <@nop> email me sites you like
04:14 <@nop> for examples of styles for IIP
04:14 < Banks> Hmmm.
04:14 <@nop> firstname.lastname@example.com
04:17 < Mole> Ok, heres the deal: I am a p2p researcher and has al ot of nice algorithms that I have invented and tested for distributed systems.
04:17 < Mole> I am currently looking for some project with which I should share my knowledge.
04:18 < Banks> You've come to the right place :)
04:18 < Banks> nop is your man.
04:18 < Mole> I just found iip some minutes ago.
04:18 < Mole> I guy in #freenet on openprojects.net recommend you.
04:18 < Mole> Well, heres what i got so far:
04:19 <@nop> k
04:19 < Mole> * All my algorithms are completely distributed and is not dependant on any central server.
04:20 < Mole> * An algorithm to keep together a network with anything from 2 to 20000000000 nodes. :))
04:20 < Mole> * That network never gets netsplits and cant be crashed as far as I know.
04:20 <@nop> mole
04:20 <@nop> please email firstname.lastname@example.com
04:20 <@nop> with it
04:20 <@nop> along with your pubkey
04:21 < Mole> * Algorithm to announce subnets/services on the main network. (Aad subnets on the subnets.)
04:21 <@nop> can it remain anonymous
04:21 <@nop> and help not give too much info
04:21 < Mole> * Algorithms to collect statistics like number of nodes, average and median values et.c.
04:22 < Mole> * Algorithms to keep secret hwhat different nodes does on the network and what services they are suppliyng.
04:22 <@nop> why Mole for a nick
04:22 < Mole> And I am curently I am working to solve the distributed secure efficient database. :)
04:22 <@nop> kewl
04:22 < Mole> Well, Mole has been my Internet nick since 1991.
04:23 < Mole> I myself is not a very secret person. :)
04:23 < ellison> Mole: you familiar with quorum based distributed data systems?
04:23 < Mole> But I like to supply secresy to people. :)
04:23 <@nop> had a feeling those algo's are secret
04:23 <@nop> :)
04:23 < Mole> nope, not quorum.
04:23 <@nop> quorum or quantum
04:23 < ellison> lotsa cool work being done there
04:24 < ellison> quorum
04:24 < Mole> Kind of been into my research and simulations to much so I am currently taking a long break to check what other projects there are out there.
04:24 < ellison> it's basically a distributed databases structure where many entities can have read/write access, but the system is protected from attempts at corruption by any of those entities
04:24 < ellison> really useful for certain types of data structures/purposes
04:25 < ellison> http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/malkhi97byzantine.html
04:25 <@Chocolate> Mole: I recomened you here :)
04:25 <@Chocolate> got a spybot going in #freenet here
04:26 < Mole> Ok, Ill check quorum out to.
04:26 < Mole> Well, now I have lots of questions about IIP to see what good my algorithms and knowledge might do for you. :)
04:27 < Mole> First of all, is there any documentation of how IIP works anywhere?
04:28 <@nop> yes
04:28 <@nop> banks
04:28 <@nop> where's that link
04:28 < Banks> Wait one
04:28 < Banks> http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/meeting2/iipdoc.pdf
04:29 < Banks> Mole: You'll probably want to read mainly chapter 1 and chapter 9.
04:29 < Mole> Ok, downloading it.
04:32 <@nop> I have to run
04:32 <@nop> see ya guys later
04:33 < Banks> Seeya nop
04:33 < Mole> Hey you gues are really friendly. Lots of chats in all windows and private cahts too.
04:33 < Banks> :)
04:36 < Mole> I'll read all the stuff you all recommended and talk to you some other day when I know more. :)
04:37 < Banks> That'd be great :)
06:07 < Mole> Ahh, I just browsed through iipdoc.pdf and now I think I understand how IIP works.
06:08 < Mole> If I got it right there are allmost normal IRC-servers in the "backbone" ?
06:12 < Mole> And you are planning on making verions 2.0 fully decentralised.
06:12 < Mole> Have any design work or algorithm research been done on the decentrailsed structure for verison 2.0 ?
06:20 <@Chocolate> some
06:20 <@Chocolate> still r&d
06:21 < Mole> Ok, I think I can be of use to you then. :)
06:36 < Aster> k
06:37 < Mole> Ok, well here are my thoughts on anonymous DCC chat and file send:
06:38 < Mole> Add a socks-proxy to the "IIP-client".
06:38 < Mole> Tell the users to configure their IRC client to run through the IIP-socks-proxy.
06:39 < Mole> That means all the DCC connections will go to the IIP-socks-proxy.
06:40 < Mole> The when the IRC-client (like mIRC) wants to connect to mole.anon.iip the proxy sends that connection through some of the other
06:40 < Mole> nodes in the network until it finally reaches the node you want to DCC.
06:41 < Mole> Thus you got an anonoymous DCC!
06:41 < Mole> Waht do you think?
06:41 < Aster> dcc involves files right (im not a big irc kid)
06:42 < Mole> Yep.
06:43 < Mole> So it will create much network load for the nodes that the connection "bounces" through.
06:43 < Aster> yeah...the only problem i see is that now, when you start sending your file, its gotta go through all the other servers, causing lots of traffic
06:43 < Aster> yeah
06:44 < Mole> But since allmost all nodes should be assisting the distributed net that network load could be spread pretty equally.
06:44 < Mole> But it will of course be slower "downloads" than over unsafe DCC.
06:45 < Mole> Ahh, network split?
06:46 < Aster> sorry, i missed your last few messages
06:46 < Mole> Repating: But since allmost all nodes should be assisting the distributed net that network load could be spread pretty equally.
06:46 < Mole> Repeating: But it will of course be slower "downloads" than over unsafe DCC.
06:46 < Aster> yeah
06:47 < Mole> So it has to be discussed if it should be implented.
06:47 < Aster> not really though about the spread out network load...each node still has to relay, lets say, 10mB no matter how many other nodes are there
06:47 < Mole> But atleast it is very simple to implement if you decide to use it.
06:47 < Aster> yeah
06:48 < Mole> Not with my algorithms. :) Then each node only has to relay about 500 byte / second.
06:48 < Mole> Excpet for the DCC data ofcourse....
06:49 < Mole> Lets go to my next simple algorithm:
06:49 < Mole> To create network efficient channel communications you do like this:
06:50 < Mole> Provided that each user has his own local IIP-node:
06:51 < Mole> That is, all the data we are creating while chatting only travles among the nodes taking part in the chat.
06:51 < Mole> Thus not loading the rest of the network.
06:51 < Mole> We have to ad one thing though for anonymity:
06:51 < Mole> The nodes actually taking part in the mini network for the channel
06:52 < Mole> is only front ends for the real chatters.
06:52 < Mole> That is each node connects to a front end (perhaps in two or more levels) and it is the front end that joins the channel-network.
06:53 < Mole> That save a lot of communication bandwidth!
06:53 < Mole> and also makes the network much more robust.
06:53 < Aster> hum
06:54 < Aster> interesting
06:55 < Aster> brb....i need to lay down for a bit..back hurting
06:55 < Mole> chatter node <-> intermediate <-> frontend <- channelnet -
06:55 < Mole> > frontend <-> intermediate <-> chatter node
06:56 < Mole> Any other of you guys have any comments?
07:18 -!- Zwollywood is now known as Zwolly
07:21 < Mole> Hi Zwolly
07:22 < Zwolly> hello
07:22 < Zwolly> one moment
07:23 < Mole> Are you working with IIP-development?
07:24 < Zwolly> no i am just an user
07:24 < Zwolly> i think i am to late for the meetibg
07:25 < Mole> Ahh, me to.
07:25 < Mole> Yep, the meeting was hours ago.
07:25 < Mole> I am thinking on joining the development team.
07:25 < Zwolly> http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip there is some info there
07:25 < Zwolly> great
07:25 < Zwolly> if you got the skills and they can use some one
07:26 < Mole> Yep, I got the skills. Researched decentralised p2p systmes since 1997...
07:27 < Mole> Thanks for the reminder of the URL.
07:28 < Mole> I checked it again and there were more stuff there then I noticed when I took a first look some hours ago.
07:28 < Zwolly> only thing i know of making programs is how to make them crash hehe
07:28 < Mole> Well, sounds like you could bee a good beta-tester then?
07:29 < Zwolly> yeh maybe
07:29 < Zwolly> i am busy on an dutch translation of the manual so maybe i can help a little with that
07:29 < Mole> I find it funny that they have a command to add your website to your ncik.
07:30 < Mole> Just read about the extra commands IIP has.
07:30 < Zwolly> yeh that is a nice option
07:32 < Mole> Oops, I looked in the "livelog.txt" on the site IIP site.
07:34 < Mole> Whoops, got disconnected.
07:35 < Zwolly> yeh i see
07:35 < Zwolly> also an point on agenda
07:35 < Zwolly> more stable connections
07:36 < Mole> hehe, yep.
07:37 < Mole> It is possble to build networks that use multiple tcp-connections to make things very robust.
07:38 < Zwolly> yeh i am reading about that but need to see it first before i believe it
07:38 < nop> dang
07:38 < nop> meeting still going?
07:38 < Zwolly> now reading log file
07:38 < Zwolly> no
07:39 < Zwolly> just some people talking and reading what they have missed
07:39 * mids kicks everybody out
07:40 <@mids> MEETING IS OVER
--- Log closed Wed May 29 07:40:24 2002


text:
In October 2008, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm signed into law Public Act 295, known as the Clean, Renewable and Efficient Energy Act.[1] The law instituted the state's "renewable energy standard."[2]
This standard requires that the "renewable energy resources" specified in the bill generate 10 percent of the annual retail electricity sales made by investor-owned electric utilities, alternative suppliers, electric cooperatives and municipal electric utilities by the year 2015 and thereafter.[3] Under the law, renewable energy resources are "ultimately derived from solar power, water power, or wind power" and include biomass energy, geothermal energy and energy from landfill gas produced by municipal solid waste.[4] The act stipulates that a renewable energy resource "does not include petroleum, nuclear, natural gas, or coal"; nor does it include a new hydroelectric facility or a "hydroelectric pumped storage facility."[5]
The act also requires that before 2015, Michigan's power suppliers steadily increase the percentage of electricity sold[*] from new renewable energy resources. The RES mandates that in 2012, providers supply enough electricity generated by renewable energy to cover 20 percent of the gap between 10 percent full compliance and baseline electricity production from renewable energy resources in the year prior to passage of the act. In 2013, 33 percent of the gap must be filled. In 2014, 50 percent of the gap between the baseline and full compliance must be covered, with full compliance required in 2015.[6] The 10 percent standard would have to be maintained in subsequent years.[7]
The act also contains a cost cap meant to limit the impact on retail customers of implementing the renewable energy standard. This means that electricity providers are not required to comply if, as determined by the Michigan Public Service Commission, the cost to end-users has any of the following effects per month: The RES increases the average electricity bill by $3 for a residential customer meter; by $16.58 per commercial secondary customer meter; or by $187.50 per commercial primary or industrial customer meter.[8]
While the cost cap could prove effective in preventing large price increases, we set it aside in our calculations in order to determine the economic impact if the RES standard is met in full. We will discuss this assumption and its relationship to our findings below, but we would note that the cost caps do not apply to consumers' overall electrical bills; rather, they "apply only to the incremental costs of compliance [with the RES] and do not apply to costs approved for recovery by the commission other than as provided in this act."[9] In other words, a consumer's bill can rise by more than the cap as long as the amount considered attributable to the RES is less than the cap. In addition, if the Michigan Public Service Commission does enforce the cost caps, the cost of the policy would be reduced, but the direction of the standard's effect would not change. The policy's net costs would not become net benefits or vice versa.
The law assigns bonus credits for specific types of electricity generation.[†] Solar power generation effectively counts for three total megawatt-hours of production toward the RES: one for the actual production, and two bonus credits.[10] In addition, renewable generation that takes place utilizing equipment manufactured in Michigan receives an additional 0.1 MWh, or 10 percent of one credit, for the first three years of production. Similarly, if in-state workers are used to build the facility, then an additional 0.1 MWh, or 10 percent of one credit, for the first three years of production is awarded.[11] Despite the bonus credits, the U.S. Energy Information Administration's projections — which account for Michigan's RES — estimate that solar power will not deliver any significant electricity production in Michigan between now and 2035.[12]
Still, these large government subsidies may lead to the installation of solar energy, even in Michigan, where Detroit experiences approximately 20 percent clear days, 30 percent partly cloudy and 50 percent cloudy days.[13] To take this possibility into account, we assumed that Michigan installs solar capacity equal to the projected national level of solar capacity. Each MWh produced would in effect count as three MWh under the RES, reducing the total amount of renewable energy required. This solar power scenario falls under our "high-cost case" below. In the early years of the RES, the relatively immature solar power market increases the net cost of the RES by displacing other renewables, such as biomass and wood waste, that are more affordable. As time passes, the cost of solar power would decline relative to other renewables.
Another component of the act — the banking of unused Renewable Energy Credits — could help defray costs.[14] By producing more green energy than required by the act, energy suppliers could bank credits to use for RES compliance in the future. However, the EIA projections made prior to the law show a baseline scenario in which renewable electricity generations will fall below RES minimums. Therefore, it is unlikely that producers will supply excess renewable energy to trigger banking. Producers will use all renewable energy production to fulfill the requirement that same year, and not bank any for future compliance. For this reason, we assume that banking will have no effect on overall price of renewable energy production.
Finally, the RES contains a costing provision that applies to two specific electricity companies. In addition to the percentage-based mandates discussed above, Public Act 295 institutes a separate renewable energy "capacity" requirement. This capacity standard requires that the companies install 500 megawatts of renewable energy capacity by the end of 2015 (with an interim mandate of 200 MW by the end of 2013) if they have between 1 million and 2 million retail customers as of Jan. 1, 2008. Similarly, utility companies with two million or more customers as of Jan. 1, 2008, must have 600 MW of renewable capacity by the end of 2015 and 300 MW by the end of 2013.[15]
Consumers Energy is the only utility that qualifies under the first case, while DTE Energy is the only utility that qualifies under the second. It is difficult to determine the exact cost effect of this section of the law, but a few details are obvious. First, both of these companies will need to build capacity, buy contracted capacity or buy RECs to cover their RES requirements. The first two would count toward the capacity requirement, while the third would not. So it appears that the capacity requirement was put in place to require these two larger companies not to fulfill their RES requirement via RECs only. Why part of the law would seemingly encourage the use of RECs while another section does not is not understood. We believe that this section of the law is adequately accounted for in our range of estimates.[‡]
[*] The mandates in the Clean, Renewable, and Efficient Energy Act are sometimes based on energy sales and sometimes on energy production. Compare, for instance, MCL § 460.1027(3), where computations involve generation and production, and MCL § 460.1027(4)(b), where computations involve the amount of electricity sold. As noted in the main text, the act contains a requirement for renewable energy capacity as well.
[†] MCL § 460.1039(2). These bonus credits are technically referred to as "Michigan incentive renewable energy credits."
[‡] Based on our projections, the RECs will have little effect on prices and therefore will not affect our range of estimates.


text:
So we all woke on Christmas morning all a little stuffy... well that stuffiness turned into terrible colds for my hubby and my girls. Poor Kinley couldn't hardly breath, so that meant she wasn't eating for sleeping well... which meant mommy missed out on lots of sleep. By Wednesday morning I had the girls at Dr. Perrin's office. She gave M.C. some medicine but said Kinley was too little so we just had to tuff it out. Uhhhhhh and tuff if out we did. It's so hard to see your little baby so sick and it's hard to go without sleep. And it's sooo hard to deal with a fussy, cranky, sick 3 year old. It's amazing how you can LOVE somebody soooo much who can drive you NUTS so easily! But they are all now better and I hope they stay that way!It has rained EVERYDAY since Christmas and M.C. hasn't gotten to ride her new big girl bicycle. But it finally dried up for a little while on Thursday so she got to ride for about an hour!
wipe out.............
And she got right back up and rode some more!!!
She's even got great at making turns! Such a big girl!!!


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Kent Hotel Istanbul is located in the Beyazit Area, very close to the historical Beyaztit Square. It is in a few minutes distance (walking) to Grand Bazaar, 10 minutes to Sultanahmet area and 20 minutes to the Egyptian Bazaar. From the hotel it takes, 10 minutes by taxi to Taksim district and 20 minutes to Atatürk Airport. Kent Hotel has 94 rooms, including disabled and anti allergic rooms. All the rooms have air conditioning, direct call facilities, LCD television with local and international satellite channels, minibar and hairdryer, WIFI connection and safe box in every room.
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To provide for the issuance of vehicle decals to students attending the college.
Vehicles decals are required for parking on all MDC property and are issued to all enrolled students. One decal will be issued per student. The parking decal authorizes the student to park a vehicle on campus; it does not establish a designated parking space or guarantee a parking space. All vehicles, including motorcycles, scooters and mopeds, parked on MDC property must comply with established parking policies and display a decal. Vehicles in violation of the parking policy may receive a citation and/or be subject to the auto boot or towing.
All student parking decals are issued solely by the Student Life Office and are non-transferable, not to be sold. Decals are issued according to user category Faculty / Staff and Student. Parking policies and regulations are public information and are available in the designated campus location, Campus Public Safety Office, Student Life Office, Parking Garage Offices and online at this website.
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Five tigers help U.S. lacrosse team take world championship
A Princeton student and four alumni were members of the U.S. team that won the title game in the International Lacrosse Federation World Championships in Perth, Australia, Sunday, July 14. The team held off Canada 18-15 to win its sixth consecutive world championship.
Ryan Boyle , the 2002 Ivy League Player of the Year, scored twice in the final game. He finished the tournament with 14 goals and nine assists. Boyle, who will be a junior at Princeton, now has one world championship, one under-19 world championship, one NCAA championship and two Ivy League championships on his lacrosse resume.
Boyle's teammates in Perth included Princeton alumni Kevin Lowe '94, Trevor Tierney '01, Matt Striebel '01 and Ryan Mollett '01.
Tierney brought home the trophy for the outstanding goalie at the event. Following the championship, Tierney was named All-World Goalie and Mollett was named All-World Defenseman on the 10-man All-World team. As teammates at the 2001 NCAA championship, Tierney and Mollett earned national player of the year at their positions.
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The fonds consist of records that document the administrative and operational activities of the Maritime School of Social Work. These include general correspondence, committee minutes, financial records, reports, statistics, program information, course materials, examination records, newspaper clippings, memorabilia, photographs, as well as documentation of relationships with outside organizations.
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Welcome to Lake Region Community Development Initiative (LARCOD) LARCOD is a non-profit Community Based Organization (CBO) that is officially registered in Kenya with the goal of helping vulnerable children, youth, and women in the Rachuonyo, Kenya area. There are many bright children in this area who are vulnerable and/or orphan and many women who are widows due to the impact of poverty and diseases, particularly HIV/AIDS. HIV/AIDS has had a negative effect on both the individuals who are infected, and their family members and community.
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Help vulnerable and orphaned children stay in school for a brighter future.
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On Oct. 11, Wilfrid Laurier University and partners celebrated the opening of the Centre for Cold Regions and Water Science, located on Laurier's Waterloo campus. Research within the centre will involve scientists from across Canada and will focus on some of the country's most pressing questions about water, environmental and resource issues in cold regions, with implications for policy development and resource management.
The opening began with a traditional Aboriginal welcome from Jean Becker, Laurier's senior advisor: Aboriginal initiatives, followed by words from Max Blouw, Laurier's president and vice-chancellor.
"It really is a special day, and I think by the buzz in this room everyone is excited to see the building come to completion," said Blouw. "This will be the home of leading-edge research from scientists all across Canada and, in fact, internationally."
The two-storey facility will house Laurier's Canadian Aquatic Laboratory for Interdisciplinary Boreal Ecosystem Research (CALIBER); Laurier's Cold Regions Research Centre (CRRC); and the Laurier Institute for Water Science (LIWS). It will also house the ecotoxicology activities of the Southern Ontario Water Consortium (SOWC), including equipment and labs, sample preparation and staging areas for mobile trailers.
The facility and the research it houses represent a partnership between Laurier, the Government of the Northwest Territories, the Canadian Foundation for Innovation (CFI), the Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario, the Ontario Ministry of Research and Innovation, and SOWC.
Minister Michael Miltenberger of the Government of the Northwest Territories spoke to the partnership between the university and the territory.
"The relationship we have with Laurier is a very important one to us," said Miltenberger. "As an indication of how important … we have come 4,900 km to be here to share this moment with you.
"The physical structure is beautiful, but we are very, very interested in what's going to happen in here when it's operational. This building is symbolic of the relationship we have, and the importance of the work you're doing and going to continue to do."
Peter Braid, MP for Kitchener-Waterloo, said the centre is integral to training the next generation of scientists.
"The construction of the Centre for Cold Regions and Water Science would not have been possible without the cooperation of many partners, including the governments of the Northwest Territories and Ontario," said Braid. "This new centre will integrate the expertise of the university's research groups and centres already studying various aspects of water management, and it will improve our understanding and preservation of the Canadian boreal forest as one of the largest natural sources of freshwater in the world."
After the opening speeches, an art installation by Patrick Mahon was unveiled. His work, titled Water Movements/Multiple States, was produced specifically for the Centre for Cold Regions and Water Science building. Mahon utilized layers of sem-transparent coloured resin on plexiglass, as well as frosting techniques that modulate the clarity of the surfaces, to develop an arrangement of fluid forms that emphasize mobility and change. The piece emphasizes physical change as a constant, inferring the importance of attempts to know and control a fluid that is central to human and planetary life, while also acknowledging it as both vulnerable and uncontrollable.
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The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) moved in early 2008 to let animal clones out of the lab and into the grocery store, despite massive opposition from animal protection and consumer advocacy groups, Congress, and the dairy industry. The agency announced that it had completed its risk assessment - flawed as it was - and concluded that food products from cloned animals are safe to consume. The decision would allow milk and meat from cloned animals and their offspring to enter the food supply, without labels.
Food safety, however, is only one of the many issues that need to be examined before such a decision can be made. Scientists, for example, have repeatedly shown that cloning poses serious
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In a small sign that there is beginning to be an appreciation for the overwhelming public disapproval of animal cloning, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has imposed a voluntary moratorium on the sale of cloned animals, but not their offspring, for food while it examines the trade and market implications of introducing cloned animals into the food supply.
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Vail Christian blanks Hayden; wins league
HAYDEN — West Grand did its part, but, more importantly, Vail Christian 8-man football got the job done.
The Saints went to Hayden Friday night and blanked the Tigers, 20-0. And when injured linebacker/running-back Cole Caynoski came into the locker room, bellowing the news that West Grand had defeated Soroco, 16-6, Vail Christian became Central League champions.
"It's great," Saints coach Tim Pierson said. "I'm excited. It's awesome."
OK, Pierson said that in his typical monotone voice. He's a low-key guy, never too high or low in public. But it is a big deal. It is Vail Christian's first Central league title since 2008, and only the third in school history. While the 2003 football team remains the standard by which all Saints teams are measured, this was Vail Christian's first title in the newly-configured Central League, which is now composed of bigger schools, which have dropped down into 8-man football, from around the Western Slope.
This was also a rather improbable title, given that the Saints had a three-week layoff during the middle of the regular season. They missed games against Longmont Christian (Front Range flooding) and South Park (dropped its program) in September. Vail Christian returned to the field, only to lose to Soroco, 14-12, in a heart-breaker.
That ended up being the turning point.
"I think that the team, as a whole, after losing to Soroco, came together," junior Ethan Ellsworth said. "We formed a bond and got the drive to win."
The Saints went to Rangely, winning, 26-8, knocked off West Grand, 16-12, and then blanked Hayden. Each win was the first time the Saints had beaten those three opponents. What's more, the 16-12 decision over West Grand remains the Mustangs' only loss in four years in the Central League.
As opposed to past Saints' teams which used speed and passing, this squad is about as subtle as a sledge hammer. The Saints like to run over opponents on both sides of the ball, and that's how they won Friday night.
Quarterback Branden Currey ran for a 30-yard touchdown during the first half for 6-0 lead. Meanwhile, Vail Christian's defense just pounded on the Tigers. With Caynoski out at linebacker, Ray Trillo filled in at nose guard, forming a big front three with Currey and Alex Davis. Max Schramm joined Ellsworth and linebacker and they hit everything that moved, and the last line of defense, which is Mike Lange, Clayton Davis and Kennedy Nary, stood its ground.
"I think we knew with Cole out, other people had to step up," Ellsworth said.
Currey found the end zone again in the third, this time for six yards. In the fourth quarter, Lange had a 7-yard run for a score and the pass from Currey to Schramm was good for two, and the Saints (5-1) were on their way.
As the Central League champions, Vail Christian will host Pikes Peak Christian on Saturday in the crossover round. Time and location are being negotiated.
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Police: Explosive found after Rogers crash
Driver arrested, officers say
An explosive was found in a minivan that figured in a crash in Rogers, authorities said Saturday.
Rogers police said they were called to a report of a collision between a blue minivan and a small car in the area of North Second Street and West Hudson Road at 8:41 p.m.
Witnesses told officers the driver of the minivan ran into the woods located north of the accident and then returned to the scene with a bleeding hand after they heard a gunshot. Police said the driver was taken to Northwest Medical in Bentonville.
Investigators said a small explosive device was found in the minivan, prompting officers to block Hudson Road between Second and Eighth streets and divert traffic away from the scene.
The Bentonville Bomb Squad defused the device at 11:55 a.m., and traffic lanes were opened about 12 p.m.
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Looks right up my alley
The surreal platformer Another World is making its way to PS4 next week, and I couldn't be more excited. The game's 20 years old, for crying out loud, and yet it's somehow found a spot on a next-gen console so that people can enjoy it during a completely different time in gaming. While it's been seen on several different consoles, it's exciting to finally see it on a current one that's got the goods to make it look every bit as bizarre as it should.
The new Another World will see 720p resolution, additional checkpoints, and an overall full HD experience. The Sega CD soundtrack is also available as an optional augment, as well as PlayStation's cross buy feature, cross platform trophies, and cross save.
If you've seen the game around but haven't yet had your chance to take a turn with it, it's coming out on June 25, just enough time to settle down after E3 with a strange little platformer that hits all the high notes. I'll most likely be joining you.
Classic Platformer Another World is Coming to PS4 Next Week [PlayStation Blog]


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The default for new installed Ubuntu is clean desktop. So, if you want to get your Trash Icon back to change the setting default.
Step 1. Run Desktop Configuration Editor
Open Application > Accessories > Terminal and type gconf-editor.
Step 2. Give value for trash_icon_visible
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Could Dangerous Underwater Volcano in Caribbean Cause a US Tsunami?
A team of scientists is exploring the darkest corners of a huge underwater volcano in the Caribbean in hopes of better understanding the mysteries of earthquakes and tsunamis, ultimately saving lives.
Kick'em Jenny is a dangerous and active volcano sitting roughly 6,000 feet below the surface of the Caribbean Sea, and located off the coast of the island of Grenada, south of St. Lucia.
Robert Ballard, famous for discovering the Titanic 12,000 feet below the surface of the icy North Atlantic in 1985, set his sights on exploring the Kick'em Jenny to study its eruption history and learn more about how underwater volcanoes can pose a threat.
Ballard, the president of The Ocean Exploration Trust and the director of the Center for Ocean Exploration at the University of Rhode Island's Graduate School of Oceanography, said the Kick'em Jenny volcano has a history of explosive eruptions, which could have the potential to trigger tsunamis, the effects from which could be felt as far away as the northeastern United States.


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What is a notebook without notes? A pretty nifty zen koan, I guess. But also: essentially useless!
So instead of scrounging constantly for a stray pen or pencil to fill your pad to its potential, strap on the Journal Bandolier: a hand-made, two-inch wide strap equipped with seven holes for pens, erasers, a stray Cheeto – whatever fits your fancy. Fits notebooks over five inches wide, costs $US17, and has maybe the coolest name ever given an extra-fancy rubber band. [Etsy via Uncrate]


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The university provides vision coverage through Vision Service Plan (VSP). This coverage provides benefits for covered services from any optometrist or ophthalmologist. However, benefits are greater with lower out-of-pocket costs for services provided by a VSP network provider.
Since VSP does not provide insurance cards, please give your provider the Wright State University group plan number: 12140245.
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