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What to do in the Democratic Republic of Congo
The Democratic Republic of the Congo, also known as DRC or DR Congo, is the biggest country in Central Africa. It is a land of beauty, music, natural wonders, and wildlife, which make it an up-and-coming tourist paradise. If you've been dreaming of an African adventure, the DRC should definitely be in your travel bucket list.
Fly to Kinshasa and visit the capital city of DR Congo. Stop by the National Museum of Kinshasa. Say hello to the bonobo chimps when you visit them at the Lola ya Bonobo Sanctuary. Be amazed by the local wildlife at the wonderful Bombo-Lumene Game Reserve. Then fall in love with the stunning Zongo Falls.
Have the ultimate outdoor adventure when you fly to Goma and climb Nyiragongo Volcano and see its famous lava lake. Forget the pictures, this is a once in a lifetime experience!
Do you really want to see Mother Nature's green side? Then you should head on over to Goma's mysterious Green Lake. Go wild when you see the mountain gorillas of Virunga National Park. Then conquer the trails of Rwenzori Mountain Trek.
Go and fly to Lubumbashi to visit the National Museum of Lubumbashi. Check out the fascinating design of the Cathedral of Saint Pierre and Paul. Explore the rest of DR Congo and take as many photos as you want of the picturesque Lake Kivu. Travel to a UNESCO World Heritage Site and see the lowland gorillas of Kahuzi-Biega National Park. Stop by DR Congo's Kisangani too for the majestic Boyoma Falls.
When to visit the Democratic Republic of Congo
The best time to visit the Democratic Republic of the Congo depends on where you're travelling in the country. The best time to visit the north of Congo is during the dry season of December to March. The dry season for the south is from April to October, when it's the best time to conquer the Kinshasa to Lubumbashi route.
Secure a travel visa before you fly to DR Congo, and the best way for you to get it is through a travel visa company. Make sure your passport is valid for at least six months on your return to Australia. Just visit Smartraveller for more travel info.
Travelling to and around the Democratic Republic of Congo
You will be welcomed in the Democratic Republic of the Congo through several airports. You can travel around the DRC by plane, ferry, train, bus, and by booking tours.
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A day with John Constable on Hampstead Heath
Cloud study (after Alexander Cozens' 'Engravings of Skies')
John Constable (1776 - 1837)
The illusory promise of the bright morning has now been broken. Extensive cumulus now covers most of the sky, and some at least of the clouds are black with the threat of rain showers. It is nice to imagine that the smudged ink of numbers 13, 14 and 15 means that Constable was actually caught on the Heath by the rain! The nature of cumulus, with intense updraughts and surrounding regions of descent means that the cloud cover is rarely continuous, and Constable is fascinated in this sequence with patches of blue sky appearing in rents or holes in the clouds. A somewhat similar pattern is followed as in the sketches done in the morning, with numbers 10 and 11 looking towards the sun, numbers 12 and 13 looking away from the sun and numbers 14 and 15 looking somewhat to one side of the sun.
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Former WEC bantamweight champ Brian Bowles (10-1 MMA, 2-0 UFC) did not get the UFC title shot he had hoped for, but he did get a fight that will certainly leave him a No. 1 contender with a win.
UFC officials announced late Thursday night that Bowles will next face former WEC featherweight champ Urijah Faber (25-5 MMA, 1-1 UFC) at UFC 139.
Although not officially announced, UFC 139 is expected to take place Nov. 19 at the HP Pavilion in San Jose, Calif. The event is expected to feature a heavyweight title fight between champ Cain Velasquez and top contender Junior Dos Santos.
Bowles vs. Cruz is expected to feature on the evening's main card.
"Before a possible trilogy can be considered between Urijah Faber and his rival, champion Dominick Cruz, he will take on one of the division's truly elite fighters, former bantamweight champion Brian Bowles," UFC president Dana White stated. "A win over Faber would be massive for Bowles' bid to challenge for the belt that was once his. The stakes are high and the fight will be intense."
Bowles earned the WEC's 135-pound title with a shocking knockout of then-champ Miguel Torres at 2009's WEC 42 event. However, in his first attempt to defend the title, Bowles surrendered his belt to Cruz. It was Bowles' final WEC appearance after lingering injuries left him sidelined for nearly one year. However, he's since bounced back with UFC victories over Takeya Mizugaki and Damacio Page.
Faber, the longtime poster boy of the WEC, was narrowly edged out via decision by Cruz at July's UFC 132 event. Some fans called for an immediate rematch and the completion of a trilogy that began in March 2007. However, Faber will instead get a crack at Bowles and a chance to work back toward a rubber match with Cruz.
For more on UFC 139, stay tuned to the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).
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I've been reading feeds on my Facebook account and what catch me most is a post from StickerDot. Eventually, I am so amazed with their post, expressing gratitudes to their client – Matt and Ryan (M&R) – who are providing real estates services in Auckland. M&R is actually purchasing Gloss Paper Stickers to them. StickerDot has always been grateful to their clients after purchasing stickers to them. They have been sharing it to the public thru to their social media accounts.
Image above is the purchased sticker from M&R. Really they have this great quality of stickers. Now, I have realized that it's not just the clients will share their reviews to the company but the company itself will show how grateful they are to their beloved consumers.
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Ideal for cutting and pruning hedges, bushes and shrubs, this powerful, hardworking hedge trimmer is a great value for professionals. Compared to the HS 81, the STIHL HS 82 hedge trimmer is more balanced, helping reduce operator fatigue, and has less exhaust emissions, lowering your impact on the environment. A blade tip guard helps prevent damage to the blade, gearbox and objects near the hedge and makes it easier to trim low-growing ground cover plants.
Increased blade rigidity and new blade geometry improve trimming performance, while improved fuel efficiency offers longer run times. A new ergonomic loop handle provides increased comfort and the reduced-emission engine technology helps reduce environmental impact. Easy2Start™ and a single Master Control Lever™ simplify starting, and a double-sided 24-inch cutter bar and excellent acceleration make it possible to power through thicker limbs.
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I am sick. In fact I feel like tenderized meat thrown to overly excited puppies. I feel like death warmed over. And since I am on death's door, we will have Monday's Muse tomorrow. Besides, we have winners to announce today. Winners for the OH-MY-GOODNESS-YOU-SHOULD-REALLY-PICK-IT-UP-WHEN-IT-COMES-OUT-KIND-OF-AMAZING For Darkness Shows the Stars by Diana Peterfreund. It's worthy to crawl (literally) out of bed to announce that.
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Poland is becoming an increasingly popular holiday destination which is why so many people choose to invest in a second home in the country. Cities such as Warsaw and Krakow are ideal for those looking to partake in a bit of culture, while adventure enthusiasts can benefit from mountain trekking or skiing in areas such as Zakopane.
Wherever in Poland your second home is based, Intasure can help keep it safe all year round. We pride ourselves on providing our customers extensive policies with numerous benefits that will protect their homes at all times. To find out more get a quote with us today!
Here at Intasure we understand that our customers don't just want to protect their holiday homes but also everything else that comes with it. This is why our online quote form allows you to determine the level of cover for both your property and its contents, giving you piece of mind.
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Here is a gorgeous trilogy ring which has a natural aquamarine and man made diamonds set.
I've used a wonderful selection of different cuts in this ring which makes it very unique.
In the main center setting is a radiant cut natural aquamarine measuring 6.2x4mm, the clarity of this stone is VS1 (no visible chips or scratches)
The two outer settings have emerald cut stones set made from man made diaomnds measuring 3x2mm
Last there are princess cut accent stones set, also made from man made diamonds, 6 in each side of the band measuring 2x2mm
(Total carat weight is approx 1.6ct)
The man made diamonds are D in colour (Pure white), with flawless clarity. A perfect 100% conflict free option
The band measures 2.7mm wide.
I offer this ring in solid yellow, rose, white gold (not plated, dipped or filled) You can choose your metal choice from the drop down menu.
**Please allow 3-4 weeks for production. We are unable to produce any faster than this.
Please note that solid gold items are bespoke and custom made to order, therefore we are unable to accept returns or exchanges.
Our gold pieces are below the required legal weight for hallmarking, so will not have UK Essay hallmarkings, instead they will have indentification marks such as 10K, 14K, 18K.**
UK orders are shipped via Royal Mail Special delivery
Overseas orders are shipped Via DHL Express
As our items are made to order, please allow the following times for processing/production:
Sterling silver, titanium, steel and gold filled: 2-5 business days
Solid gold and platinum: 3-4 weeks
Royal mail 1st class delivery which usually takes between 1-3 business days to arrive.
Airmail delivery usually takes between 5-20 business days to be delivered on average but please note in some very rare cases it can take 25 business days or longer if packages are delayed at customs or if you live in a remote location.
Delivery time also depends on your local postal services and delays may occur if there are any public holiday periods, postal strikes, poor weather etc.
All packages are sent via a tracked and insured service, we also obtain proof of posting certificates/receipts for all packages.
FedEx Express delivery service is available at an additional cost, this service can be selected when making your purchase at checkout. This service takes between 2-5 days from collection to delivery.
*Please ensure you add a note to your order with your telephone number. We cannot book the courier services without this and dispatch may be delayed*
We cannot be held responsible for delays caused by the postal services, customs clearance or pandemics. If such delays occur, we will do our best to provide you with any guidance and updates available from the postal service.
Your order will be shipped to the address you provide at checkout unless specified otherwise within 12 hours of order placement.
We cannot be held accountable if you supply me an incorrect address or fail to provide a correct address within the allotted time.
All items will be shipped in a discreet package and all jewellery will be inserted into a gift pouch or small gift box.
Our packages will fit through most letter boxes.
Please note that if an item is lost during shipping, a replacement will be issued only.
Just contact me within: 7 days of delivery
Ship items back to me within: 14 days of delivery
Request a cancellation within: 12 hours of purchase
But please contact me if you have any problems with your order.
Because of the nature of these items, unless they arrive damaged or defective, I can't accept returns for:
UPDATE AS OF 12th NOV:
If your order has not yet been shipped and you wish to cancel your order, please contact us within 12 hours from order placement. Orders may not be cancelled after 12 hours of order placement as items are made to order.
Unfortunately we do not accept returns of solid gold items, platinum items since they are bespoke/custom made, or earrings of all metals due to hygiene reasons
'On sale' items are non returnable.
***Please note that we no longer offer exchanges or resizing. We now only accept returns. If you need to change the size of your ring after receiving it, please simply return it for refund and make a new purchase.***
All packages will contain a returns form which needs to be filled in and returned with your item.
Please note that ONLY unworn and 'as new' items can be returned for refund.
Shipping costs are not refunded and 20% of the item price will be removed from your refund. This is to cover any cleaning, polishing, restocking, or the recycling of materials that may be required. Unfortunately this necessary - we make no profit from this deduction.
Returns are not accepted for items with any wear or damage. If we receive a worn or damaged item, it will not be refunded.
Customers are responsible for shipping costs of returned items. Please ensure to package your items well to avoid any damage during transit, we recommend using a padded envelope or small shipping box. We cannot be held responsible for any loss or damage caused during the transit of your returned package. We recommend you to use an insured and tracked mail service to ensure it reaches us safely.
Returns and exchanges are only accepted within 14 days from date of delivery to you.
If you are shipping a package from overseas, it is vital that you declare your package as a RETURN. This can be done so in the 'other' section on the customs declaration. If it is not, VAT/Duty charges will be incorrectly charged, since it is not our responsibility, we will not pay for these fees and your package will be returned to you providing you have maked your returns address on the package.
*Please note that if your ring is resized or altered by a different jeweler you cannot return it for refund*
Please allow 14 business days from when your package is delivered for refunds to be completed.
We are very sorry but we do NOT currently offer an engraving service.
We are happy to discuss larger orders if required.
We will always assist you and do our best to make you a happy, satisfied customer.
We receive many messages daily, however sometimes we receive too many to respond to as quickly as we'd like to. Please allow up to 4 BUSINESS days for a reply as it is very difficult for we to respond to all queries quickly at busy periods whilst we are also producing and dispatching orders etc.
If your query is very urgent, please message us with the subject URGENT and we will try to prioritize your query.
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Simulated Diamonds:
There are many different types of simulated diamonds in the market, the most common is cubic zirconia, however we use Corundum which is a very tough and durable stone with the same appearance as diamond to the human eye. We guarantee 100% top quality, these stones will last for decades and will not become cloudy over time. We have been using these stones for many years now with no complaints.
Lab Diamonds:
These are considered as close to a natural diamond as possible as they are still grown from carbon, however they are grown in a man made/artificial process.
We do not use these stones are they are still very expensive, usually 75% the cost compared with a natural diamond.
Whilst we are based in the UK, most of our customers live in the USA so we use USA sizing as standard. If you require help converting your size into a US size, please contact us. Alternatively, we display a size conversion chart on most of our listing photos.
If you are unsure of your required size, it is best to have your finger professionally checked. Alternatively you can purchase rigid hoop style sizers cheaply online. If you have a current ring which fits you, simply measure the inner diameter (in mm's) and provide it to us. We can help to convert it to a size for you.
We advise to avoid measuring your finger with string or paper as this method is not accurate.
This metal requires zero maintenance and you will not need to remove it at any time. Warm water, dish washing liquid and a small fine brush is the best method to clean this metal.
Sterling silver and gold filled:
To help to prolong its finish try to avoid wearing your jewellery whilst bathing and never wear whilst swimming since it will deteriorate the finish quicker and case tarnishing.
To clean, silver or gold soaking solution and a fine microfiber cloth works well.
All purchases will be packaged into padded envelopes.
The package will be discreet and will not mention our company name.
Customs declarations be declared as 'fashion accessory'.
Purchases are neatly inserted into gift pouches or small navy gift boxes depending on the item.
Whilst most of our jewellery can be engraved, unfortunately we do not offer an engraving service at the moment.
We offer a variety of both lab created and natural gems.
Lab created gems have the same properties and appearance as natural gems.
Generally a lab created gem would look the same as a top quality natural gem, with VVS to flawless clarity but at a fraction of the cost. By purchasing lab gems you can make an affordable purchase without compromising quality.
Whilst natural gems are beautiful, they can be very expensive.
If you don't see a particular stone variation for an item you like, please message us as we can offer almost any stones in any of our items.
Grade 5 titanium is used for all wedding bands in out store.
For finer pieces such as engagement rings, grade 2 titanium is used.
Titanium is a very similar colour to white gold and platinum.
All our titanium rings are safe and can be cut off in an emergency.
Filled gold is the highest form of gold plating.
This term should not be confused with regular gold plating as gold fill items have a far higher amount of gold applied. It will not flake, peel or not change colour if the correct care is given.
The gold layers are usually applied over sterling silver, surgical steel or titanium depending on the design. Please note that if sterling silver is used as the core metal, your item will be stamped with 925.
This is a very durable and affordable option but as mentioned, correct care must be given. Avoid wearing if you are going to be going anything which could damage the ring and always remove before swimming.


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2007 Lexus LS 460 Reviews
2007 LS 460 New Car Test Drive
Lexus is about 100 years younger than Mercedes-Benz, but, after 20 years of hard work, it has already surpassed M-B and all the other luxury brands in terms of quality, durability, reliability, and desirability among American buyers, an astounding performance. The flagship sedan that started out as the LS 400 and then grew up as the LS 430 has been morphed into a completely new car, the LS 460, that challenges all comers as the best luxury sedan in the world. It competes with the Mercedes-Benz E- and S-Class, and BMW 5 Series and 7 Series.
In addition to the new LS 460, there will be a long-wheelbase version called the LS 460L with a limousine-like rear seat and a hybrid version called the LS 600h, which combines a 5.0-liter version of the V8 engine with a new version of the Lexus hybrid drive system.
The all-new 2007 Lexus LS models are bristling with technology. The LS 460 is the first car in the world with a computer-controlled eight-speed automatic transmission. An optional parking guidance system uses onboard cameras to help the driver parallel-park or park between cars, a system offered by no other manufacturer. The 460L offers reclining heated bucket seats, a cool box, dual-zone rear HVAC controls, a folding table, an ottoman, a shiatsu massager, and, of course, DVD with wireless headphones.
On the road, we found the LS 460 extremely quiet and extraordinarily smooth. Its 4.6-liter V8 can propel it from 0 to 60 mph in a mere 5.4 seconds, according to Lexus, yet it gets an EPA-rated 27 mpg Highway. The eight-speed automatic is super smooth and plays a big role in the fuel-economy story. The electrically powered steering system and adjusts according to speed. The ride quality and handling are exemplary, and an optional Touring package brings a new level of sportiness to the LS 460. The brakes have been improved, and now they are fully electronically controlled, working with all of the other computers on the car to determine how much brake force to put at each individual wheel, rain, snow or sunshine.
The 2007 Lexus LS lineup includes the LS 460 ($61,000) and the longer LS 460L ($71,000). The hybrid-powered LS 600h will be introduced later in the model year.
Options include satellite navigation with Bluetooth, XM satellite radio with real-time traffic display, Mark Levinson 19-speaker, 450-watt sound system and 30-gigabyte hard drive, a pre-collision system, dynamic radar cruise control, advanced parking guidance system, Lexus Link, power trunk opener/closer, a Comfort Package, and a Comfort Plus Package. Four different rear-seat packages are available for the 460L.
Safety is a primary consideration for luxury car buyers, and the LS 460 fairly drips with safety equipment, from eight standard air bags to ABS (anti-lock brakes), electronic brake assist, ESP (electronic stability program), adaptive front lighting that turns corners, and tire pressure monitoring. With the optional two-seat rear compartment, there is an additional air bag in the mix, and there are more safety options, including a pre-collision system that moves seats to a neutral position, closes the windows and sunroof, and tightens belts when the computers detect an impending collision.


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Guests: Ed Rendell, Michael Moore, Mark Penn, Bernie Sanders
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: "The Great Democratic Debate." Let`s play HARDBALL.
Good evening. I`m Chris Matthews in Washington with this special
edition of HARDBALL -- "the Great Democratic Debate."
Should President Obama run for re-election as a passionate
progressive? Daring to be called radical by his enemies? Should he shoot
the moon like FDR did in 1936?
Or should he head closer to the middle, stake out common ground with
independents, warning against the radicalism of the right? Should he play
it shrewd like Bill Clinton did?
Think of the stakes. If he gets it right, and the Democrats get four
more years to get the economy finally back on track with full employment
again the norm, the country heading forward to greener pastures and bluer
skies, continuing the long, good march toward a cleaner environment, a
protected climate, a more human, more tolerant, fully employed society.
If he blows it, the Tea Partiers and neocons come roaring back into
Washington, emptying out the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise
Institute, erecting statues to Dick Cheney, celebrating the death penalty,
elevating torture, ending environmental protection as we know it, breaking
unions, punishing gays, starting more wars, enacting one more giant tax cut
for the rich -- or worse.
Can you think of a more important debate than the one we`re having
Let`s get at it with the great Michael Moore, author of the new book
"Here Comes Trouble," and the brilliant Mark Penn with whom I start.
Mark, how does the president get another shot, four more years?
What`s his smart move?
MARK PENN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, the president has to got to
move to the center. I mean, he has to rebuild the coalition he had that
was a winning coalition just a few years ago when he brought together those
people with the lowest incomes, those people with the highest incomes,
progressive, intelligent, smart, new professionals who want to vote
Democratic because they`ve moved socially liberal but they`re economically
in the center.
MATTHEWS: Michael Moore, your thought on that. How should he
continue what he`s doing, hold his party together?
MICHAEL MOORE, POLITICAL ACTIVIST: I sort of -- I don`t know if I
agree with the definition of terms here. I think President Obama should
move to the center because he`s not there now. The center of American
public opinion right now is the vast majority of Americans want to tax the
rich. Every poll shows that. The vast majority of Americans want these
wars to end ASAP. The vast majority of Americans want strong environmental
And you go down the whole list of things, that`s the center position.
What you`re calling the left position is actually the center, middle
position -- the majority of Americans want this and they don`t want Social
Security or Medicare touched. Not one single dime of it touched.
The more that he talks about creating some grand bargain with the
Republicans or trying to appease them in some way, that`s why he, I think,
has suffered in recent times, because he`s left where the center of real --
where the real political majority is in this country right now and he`s
gone over to try and placate this other side. And when he does that, he
loses so many people that are either no longer interested in him or they`ll
vote for him but they`re depressed about it.
MATTHEWS: Well, to make that point, enthusiasm gap, the new Gallup
poll finds the Republicans have a major advantage here over the Democrats.
Just 45 percent of Democrats say they`re more enthusiastic about voting in
2012 than they were in earlier elections.
The Republicans on the other hand are more enthusiastic for
Republicans. That number is nearly 60 percent who can`t wait to get in
that voting booth. And that`s the largest enthusiasm gap since 2000.
Your thoughts, Michael Moore has just said, Mark, that the enthusiasm
is on the left. Go with it.
PENN: Well, look
MATTHEWS: He doesn`t call it the left. He calls it the center. But
these are my terms.
PENN: But it`s not Democrats or Republicans who are going to decide
the next election. It`s independents.
The country is between -- depending how you measure it -- 30 percent
and 40 percent independent. The biggest party in America is no party. And
they`re not going to say I`m excited. They`re going to switch.
Look, people don`t understand the math of switching. So, if there
were 10 votes, right, and it`s 5-5, one switches at 6-4. You need two new
people to get your four up to six to come in. Hold on to the center. Hold
on to the independents. And you win.
That`s the lesson of every last election, including Obama`s last
MATTHEWS: Michael Moore, you say he shouldn`t go for those centrist
MOORE: No, no.
MATTHEWS: The ones who see themselves as centrist. Not by your
definition, theirs.
MOORE: I understand. I understand.
Again, according to all the recent polls, the majority of
independents want taxes raised on the rich. The majority of independents
want these wars to end. The majority of independents are actually quite
liberal on these issues.
And I agree with Mark. Most Americans do not define themselves as
liberal or conservative or Democrat or Republican. What they look for in a
president is someone with strength, someone who is going to lead, someone
who has a back bone.
So, they like Franklin Roosevelt. They like John Kennedy. They like
Ronald Reagan. It sometimes doesn`t really matter what the party is as
long as they believe they have a strong leader.
What they`ve witnessed with President Obama is a president who seems
to not have had much of a backbone, who hasn`t really come in there with
the understanding that he had a 10 million vote margin over John McCain, a
mandate from the American people to get busy and do some things --
especially in those first two years before the Republicans had the house.
So I just think -- I think that that`s really where the discussion
should take place of getting President Obama to go back to being the
centrist president he ran as with the positions that he had of ending these
wars, taxing the rich, and reining in Wall Street. How about that?
Independents? You should see the polling on -- independents want
regulations on Wall Street. They want them reined in.
MATTHEWS: OK. Let`s take that fight.
Mark, what about raising taxes on the better off people? Michael
Moore says that`s a popular idea with the center as well as the left.
PENN: Well, the problem is that the president now has identified
with $1.5 trillion of tax increases, plus another trillion dollars of tax
increases in the health care plan. So, that`s $2.5 trillion of tax
increases. No one is going to believe that only Warren Buffett.
MATTHEWS: How has he identified with that? Where is that other one
PENN: Because there`s two chunks of tax increases -- $1.5 trillion
in his jobs plan, and $1 trillion in the health care plan, an extra 4.5
percent on all incomes.
So, he -- if you kind of look at it, he is going into the election
saying, hey, sure, I`m going to raise taxes more on the wealthy, but
fundamentally, I`m standing for bigger government and more taxes. And he`s
got to stand for more efficient government, along with environmental
control, along with a lot of the social issues that he passionately
believes in.
But he`s falling into the trap now. He`s giving the Republicans an
opportunity to say, you`re for big taxes and big government -- and that`s
the key thing he has to reverse.
MATTHEWS: Michael?
MOORE: The Republicans don`t have an opportunity at this moment
because it is not about him standing with progressives over the left. He
just needs to stand with Middle America, with middle class Americans.
People -- how many millions of their mortgages are under water right
now? How many are facing foreclosure? How many millions don`t have health
insurance as we sit here right now tonight?
I mean, this is -- that`s the middle of the country. And that, if
people sense that he is going to act on their behalf, not just give a
speech but actually act on their behalf in this last year that he has, then
he has an excellent chance.
The Republicans know they`re in trouble. That`s why they`re
supporting all of these voter suppression laws around the country, making
it hard next year for people to register and to vote. You don`t -- you
don`t try to make it difficult for people to vote when you think the
majority of the people are on your side. They know, the Republicans know
the majority of the people are on the side of the things that Democrats and
liberals and the left and President Obama said that he believed in.
That`s where he should stay. He should be right there. But not just
saying it, but actually -- he`s got a year to do it. And he can -- he can
enliven that base and make people enthusiastic because it`s that -- let me
just say this: it`s that base that goes.
They`re going to vote for him anyway. But you need them to go out
and bring 10 people to the polls, 10 people who are independents, some of
them Republicans, some of them who don`t maybe usually vote.
That`s what happened in the last election. People just went out and
talked to everybody and got everybody to vote. It`s very hard right now
for the base to go out there and try to convince people that he`s done
these things that he said he`s done, even though everyone knows the
Republicans have stopped him every which way they can, it still -- it`s a
difficult sell to someone who is not in the base.
MATTHEWS: Let`s look at how he`s doing that, Michael, along the
lines you suggest. Here`s President Obama beginning to harness the energy
of his base better than he has in the past. Here he was speaking Saturday
night at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign.
I was with him in the day time and he was with him at night. Here is
the country`s leading gay rights organization. The crowd gave him an
extended night outstanding o for these comments. They weren`t about
economics. They were about values. Let`s watch.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We don`t believe in
the kind of smallness that says it`s OK for a stage full of political
leaders, one of whom could end up being the president of the United States,
being silent when an American soldier is booed. You want to be commander
in chief? You can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the
uniform of the United States even when it`s not politically convenient.
MATTHEWS: Last week, President Obama told a fund raising crowd in
Hollywood out there at the House of Blues of all places in West Hollywood.
Here he is talking about conservatives playing class warfare with middle
class value, middle class families. Here`s the president.
OBAMA: Republicans are going around talking about, well, that`s
class warfare. You know what? If asking a billionaire to pay the same tax
rate as a plumber is class warfare, then sign me up. Sign me up. I`ll
wear that charge as a badge of honor. The only warfare I`ve seen waged is
against the middle class in this family and ordinary families.
MATTHEWS: Well, that`s an argument you got to make against him. It
sounds like he is siding with Michael there -- on that issue of coming out
against people and getting them to at least pay the same 35 percent that
the middle class pay.
PENN: I think the president gave as you saw, two passionate
addresses really drove the base. But when it comes to economics, not the
values -- if he just goes with "I`m for taxing more" that`s not going to be
a winning message.
MOORE: Taxing the rich more.
PENN: It never was a winning message. See? Tax the rich more. I
understand it.
But look at the last election in this country. The number of people
making over $100,000, 26 percent. Those voting under $30,000, 18 percent.
He brought them together.
You said he had a mandate, Michael. He does have a mandate to
restore the American Dream and to restore the American middle class. But
his mandate was based on bringing everybody together.
And so, if he is deliberately going out there dividing people up
rather than saying, how do we make America work for everybody? That`s what
I`m all about. That`s not the message that we`re hearing from the
president. That`s not the message that President Clinton delivered to get
the only successful re-election for Democrats since FDR.
MATTHEWS: Clinton raised taxes.
PENN: He raised taxes in `93. And then he paid a price for that in
the `94 congressional election. Not in the budget deal, he didn`t raise
taxes. In fact, he had targeted tax cuts.
MATTHEWS: Michael, we`re out of time. Your thoughts about what kind
of a campaign he should run. See if you can define -- I know you are not a
political guy, you`re a point of view guy about activism and values. But
what would you like to hear the president say you personally for the next
year or so as he runs for re-election, what do you want to hear?
MOORE: I don`t want to hear anything. I want to see action.
MOORE: I want to see him -- I want him immediately to start doing a
number of things. He`s turned back the -- he`s rolled back the air
pollution standards to where they are now worse than under George W. Bush.
He needs to support his own EPA and do that. He needs to end these
wars immediately. He needs to bring the troops home.
He needs to push for -- his Justice Department needs to investigate
the people who crashed this economy back in 2008 and we need to see a perp
walk. We need to see some bankers and Wall Street people arrested who
played with and lost the money of millions of Americans.
He needs to be a doer in the last, you know, he`s playing -- he`s
played the first three quarters of this football game. Some of the times
he literally ran the wrong way. Now, it seems he is coming alive in the
fourth quarter which is great.
Now, he`s got to really go for it. And he`s got -- he can do a
number of things without the House on his side. There are presidential
directives and things he can do, things he controls. If he does those
things, he will get people, not just the base but the average American,
who`s already with him, 72 percent of the American public said raise taxes
on the wealthy. Raise them. Raise them. Do it.
MOORE: He`s got to push forward.
MATTHEWS: We`ve heard you. Good thinking there.
PENN: Well, look --
MATTHEWS: I don`t have much time, real quickly.
PENN: Any poll is going to say tax the minority voters more or
minority of voters more. The truth is, they were his voters. He got 49
percent of those making over $300,000. He`s eroding his own constituency
by not bringing them together. That`s got to be his mission.
MATTHEWS: We`ve heard both sides here. Thank you, Michael Moore.
Thank you, Mark Penn.
Coming up round two: let`s hear from two actual politicians on which
way President Obama should run. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the proud
social Democrat, says go left, I expect -- versus former Pennsylvania
Governor Ed Rendell, ally of the Clintons, who makes the case for
moderation. We`re going to hear from the inside of politics -- how do you
get to 270? How do we actually win the election?
The great Democratic debate of 2012 coming right back here on
HARDBALL, only on MSNBC.
MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL.
Well, this fight going left or towards the center is not just about
message, it`s about strategy. There`s no question the path to 270
electoral votes for 2012 will be tougher for Barack Obama than it was in
2008. Take a look at this U.S. map. We`ve highlighted our 10 toss up
states that could go either way at this point. And they`re all states that
Barack Obama won in 2008, and has to win a chunk of them to stay in office.
So, how does the president appeal to voters in the must win regions?
That`s our question.
Senator Bernie Sanders is an independent from Vermont, and Ed Rendell
served Pennsylvania`s governor and was former chairman of the Democratic
National Committee.
Senator Sanders, thank you for joining us from Vermont. The question
is how does he win re-election, arguing the cause as he believes it? How
does he do it?
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: He does it by doing good public
policy and doing what the American people want to see done. The middle
class in America today is collapsing as you know. Poverty is increasing.
And the gap between the very, very rich and everybody else is growing
What the American people have said over and over again is they want a
massive jobs program. They want to put the American people back to work
because we have in real terms 16 percent unemployment. So, if you begin
putting real money into rebuilding our infrastructure, transforming our
energy system, and creating the millions of jobs that we desperately need,
that is the right thing to do and that is good politics.
Furthermore, if you begin to deal with these disastrous trade
policies, whether you`re Republican or Democrat, most people understand
that these trade policies of NAFTA, CAFTA, permanent normal trade relations
with China have failed. We`ve lost 50,000 factories in the last 10 years,
millions of good manufacturing jobs.
The president gets up there and says, you know what? I want fair
trade. I want to rebuild our manufacturing base.
SANDERS: You`re going to win elections, and do the right thing for
the American people.
MATTHEWS: Governor Rendell, do you accept that as a winning strategy
to carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Colorado? Will a
tough on trade in fact a not a protection -- I won`t use the dirty word --
but tough on trade policy, a policy of spending a lot of money to put
people to work? Will that win election?
ED RENDELL (D), FORMER PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR: Well, I think Bernie
Sanders is one of the smartest guys in Washington, D.C. But he`s got to
understand, the president is not running for re-election as a senator.
I agree with Bernie we ought to spend a ton of money on
infrastructure, put people back to work, good-paying jobs. I agree we
should get tough on fair trade abuses like the Chinese have been doing. I
don`t think we should stop free trade but I think we should get tough on
people who have been abusing the trade system.
But I also think what the American people are looking for is a
leader, someone who can get things done and bring people together. So I
heard Michael Moore say they`re looking for a leader and he`s right.
They`re looking for a leader who can take the different sides and bring
them together.
And you can do that without sacrificing your principles. It`s a
false choice to say you either cut government spending or have an economy
that benefits poor people. You can do both. You can reform government.
We can take those entitlement programs and reform them without
actually hurting people, save money, and at the same time do the things
necessary to get this economy moving again.
MATTHEW: But the question is --
RENDELL: So, it`s a false choice.
MATTHEWS: But should the president risk being called a liberal,
being called a Democrat, progressive, whatever? Should he risk that and
go, you know, people don`t like these terms. They make sense to the
American people.
Should he be a progressive liberal president or should he try to be a
centrist? That`s my key question. I think the American people read this
guy and they`re trying to figure out what he is.
Senator Sanders?
SANDERS: Well, I think, you know, the evidence is overwhelming.
When the rich are getting richer and their effective tax rates are the
lowest in decades and we have a huge national debt, what almost everybody
understands is you have to ask the wealthy to pay more in taxes.
When corporations are enjoying huge loop holes so that some of the
largest, most profitable corporations in America don`t pay a nickel in
taxes, in federal taxes in some years, most of the Americans say that`s
So, to my mind, Chris, this is not being terribly progressive. This
is really kind of common sense politics which makes sense to ordinary
Americans. Furthermore --
MATTHEWS: OK. That`s a good question. Let`s stay on that one point
because it`s a key question.
Democrats believe in government. Republicans don`t. So obviously
you have to pay for it. The Republicans don`t mind starving government.
They love it starved.
Governor Rendell, does he have to go after the rich and their money?
RENDELL: He has to go at basic economic fairness. Does that mean
taxing people who make a whole lot of money who have benefited by this
country and have gotten rich in the last few years? Of course it does. Of
course it does.
MATTHEWS: Will that help win re-election?
RENDELL: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: Will that help him hold this job?
RENDELL: That`s a populist message that will resonate in western
Pennsylvania, for example, Chris.
RENDELL: But he`s also got to appeal to independent voters. Our
base will come out. In 2010, he visited Philadelphia twice before the
election -- Philadelphia out-voted the rest of the state. The base came
out. We lost because we got killed with independent voters.
So, independent voters have to see a balanced president who is
willing to reform government at the same time make it fair and you can do
MATTHEWS: You know, Senator Sanders, you know history as well as I
do. We love American political history. I know you -- I can tell.
Look at Roosevelt`s great speech at Franklin Field in `36. He said
we`re going to get to the historians later with Doug Brinkley and Sam
Tanenhaus later in the show, but I can`t resist now.
There`s a big difference in the way you sell yourself for president.
FDR knew he faced the hatred of the rich, the corporations. They screwed
him everywhere they went the Supreme Court did for four years. He said,
the hell with you guys. I`m going populist.
I`m going to get the socialist vote, the communist vote, and
Democratic vote. I`m going to beat Al Landon 10-1.
Bill Clinton, your guy, Eddy Rendell, came back in `96 and said the
era of big government is over. I`m going to the center.
There`s two different ways to run re-election. Back to you, Senator
-- should he go rousing left and say, damn it you rich guys, you`re on the
wrong side of history? Or should he say I`m going down the middle with
Bill Clinton? Big question. It`s still my question.
SANDERS: To me, Chris, this is not even left. The American people
understand who caused this terrible recession. We have 25 million people
now without jobs. Wall Street -- you got crooks on Wall Street who are
peddling worthless paper and these guys caused this recession and they`re
back to doing exactly what they did before.
I don`t think it is left to simply say, you know what? We got to
deal with these crooks. They cannot continue to do what they have done,
causing so much damage.
In terms of Social Security, you got Republicans, you got
conservatives. Almost everybody understands Social Security has worked.
It is an extraordinarily positive program.
Today, it has a $2.5 trillion surplus, can pay our benefit for 25
years. Why in God`s name would this president be talking about cutting
Social Security or raising the eligibility age for Medicare?
So, I think what he has to do is talk to what the American people
understand just like Roosevelt did. He understood that the economic
royalists helped cause that depression. They hated him. He was prepared
to take them on.
I think Obama would be well served doing the same thing.
MATTHEWS: Should the president of the United States go after the
economic royalists? I love those words. Can you imagine Barack Obama,
careful, temperate Barack Obama going after the economic royalists and
saying, they`re out to screw the little guy and get re-elected on that?
Can he do that? Can he do it?
RENDELL: Look, the bottom line is, I think he needs to appeal to
independent voters. Our base is coming out. They may not be as
enthusiastic as the Republican base, but they are coming out.
The question is who will win the independent voters? And to win
them, Chris, he has to lead. His speech on the jobs bill was brilliant
because he boxed the Republicans in by saying each and every one of these
items I`m proposing you Republicans have supported in the past.
He looked like a leader. He looked strong. He looked affirmative.
He looked like he was trying to create jobs for the ordinary Americans who
were in need.
That`s what he has to do. But he can`t do it in a shrill way. He
can`t do it in a way that`s accusatory. He`s got to look like a leader.
The difference between running for Senate and running for mayor or
governor or president is the executive has to lead, is responsible for
bringing people together. That`s what the independents want to see.
MATTHEWS: Well, OK.
SANDERS: I would say --
MATTHEWS: Last word, Senator.
SANDERS: I`m the longest serving independent in American history.
So to my mind I think what the people want is somebody who is simply going
to tell them the truth about what`s going on in this country. And the fact
that the rich are getting richer while so many other people are hurting, we
need policies to address that.
RENDELL: But we need to make it work.
MATTHEWS: OK. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate both points.
By the way, Adlai Stevenson said speak truth to the American people.
I remember that great man.
Thank you, Senator Bernie Sanders. I`m sure you did, too.
Thank you, Governor Ed Rendell, who managed to win in a purple state
many times. Anyway, thank you.
"The Great Democratic Debate" continues here on HARDBALL. We`ll ask
journalists which direction they think the Netroots, the networks, the
newspapers, how do you get them going one way or the other? How do you get
them excited? How do you get those bloggers out there?
Well, that`s a big question. That`s a big question. We`ll get to
that when we come back with Joan Walsh and Clarence Page.
We`ll be right back with the hot heat question about how to win this
thing for Obama. We`ll be right back in a minute.
Look at the White House behind me. It`s pink, to honor breast cancer
research and awareness.
We`ll be right back.
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST, MSNBC: The great Democratic debate continues
here on HARDBALL. Which way should President Obama take his campaign for
re-election? That`s our question. Should he move to the left or stay in
the center?
I think he is moving to the left, but I`m not sure. It`s the biggest
question facing the president as he tries for four more years. We`ll
debate that answer with journalist Joan Walsh of "Slate" and Clarence Page
of "The Chicago Tribune". It`s the net routes (ph) versus the newspapers,
you might say.
And later, what does history tell us the smart strategy for the
president would be? It`s all ahead on the great Democratic debate tonight.
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MATTHEWS: Back to HARDBALL and our big Democratic debate. We`ve
heard from the opinion makers and politicians about how President Obama
should win re-election so far tonight. Let`s shift the terrain to the
How does the president win over the media, both the mainstream press
and in net routes and bloggers, who were so supportive of President Obama
in 2008?
Joan Walsh is editor at large of "Salon," and Clarence Page is a
syndicated columnist with the great "Chicago Tribune".
Thank you both. I want to ask you -- I want you to take a look at
what the president said. Here he is in February of last year, talking
about the media. Here he is. Let`s listen.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If everybody here
turned off your CNN, your Fox, your -- you know, just turn off the TV,
MSNBC, blogs, and just go talk to folks out there, instead of being in this
echo chamber, where the topic is constantly politics.
It is much more difficult to get a conversation focused on how are we
going to help people than a conversation about how is this going to help or
hurt somebody politically? And that`s part of what the American people are
just sick of.
MATTHEWS: So following along with the president, said let`s find out
how it will help or hurt people politically. Let`s go to Joan Walsh and do
exactly what the president doesn`t want us to do, because it`s a free
We`ve got the First Amendment, and I want to know whether this guy`s
running the right kind of campaign. I`d like to see a good election next
time. I`ve always liked Obama. I hope he can get his act together. I`m
not sure he will.
Joan, what`s the right way for him to win this election, especially
among the people that fight on this kind of a network, fight on other
networks, fight in the blogosphere, fight through social media and also the
good old newspapers that we`ve grown up with, that war? I want to talk
about that war. How does he win it?
JOAN WALSH, EDITOR, "SALON": Well, I think he wins it like, you know,
we`re all voters. And some of us have opinions and get to talk about our
opinions on TV. But, you know, the president gave some good advice there,
even if it would destroy our businesses. And people aren`t going to do it.
But people should get out of their houses and talk to their neighbors
and so should he. And I think that the more we do that, Chris, the more we
realize that the American people support core Democratic ideals.
The vast majority of people want tax cuts -- excuse me -- tax
increases for the -- for the wealthy. The vast majority of people wanted
the president to stick with the jobs agenda, and not turn to the deficit so
They do not want cuts in Social Security or Medicare. So I think we
get really lost in this battle. And I understand what he is saying, that
the beltway elite and the media define left and right in very rigid ways.
WALSH: . but common sense will tell us that he should be fighting
much more of a populist campaign.
MATTHEWS: So you would argue.
WALSH: . than he has been the last few weeks.
MATTHEWS: . populist campaign would win, really arguing those issues
of tax the rich.
WALSH: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: . protect the social (inaudible).
Clarence, if he runs that kind of populist campaign -- which we`ve all
grown up with in Senate races -- if he runs that nationwide, a real
populist campaign, where would the -- would the regular people, they`re
with the rich, they want their money, we want the programs. Does he win?
CLARENCE PAGE, JOURNALIST: I think he wins as long as he shows he`s
got some conviction behind his beliefs. His beliefs haven`t changed. And
I see no reason for him to try to change them. He needs to make an
argument for his programs and his plans to show he really cares about them.
People back out here in the real America have been wondering. I mean,
you know, but, listen, the majority of people who elected him, there is a
majority of people who want to believe in him and who wish him well.
And a lot of them are feeling disappointed that he hasn`t fought
harder for the issues and the programs that he talked about back in 2008
and, as Joan said, that he switched his priorities perhaps a little too
quickly from job creation.
MATTHEWS: OK, I can`t read you.
PAGE: . over (inaudible) saving money.
MATTHEWS: Okay. I`m reading you here. I thought you were going to
make the moderate argument, the Mark Penn argument, the Eddie Rendell
argument, should go down the middle, be careful on taxes, push
infrastructure. Don`t push taxes too much, it`ll offend the rich. You`re
saying that Joan`s right.
PAGE: That is the middle.
MATTHEWS: Progressives -- OK. Here we go with the definitions.
WALSH: That is the middle.
MATTHEWS: We can play this game all night.
WALSH: I know.
MATTHEWS: If the progressive side was such a popular side in this
country, why do they have to keep changing their title, their name? If
liberalism sold, we`d still be calling it liberalism. This country has a
built-in resentment.
WALSH: Well.
PAGE: (Inaudible), Chris.
MATTHEWS: . resentment against big government right now, and I want
to learn know -- how do you win the argument being for it. That`s the
tricky question. How does this pro-government.
PAGE: That`s not the real America, Chris.
MATTHEWS: . pro-populace (ph).
PAGE: That -- that`s not the real America part about populist,
liberal, conservative. People of real America care about the issues, you
know, rebuilding roads and bridges. You know, whether you`re left, right
or middle or whatever, it doesn`t matter.
They want to see the jobs. They want to see the work being done.
They want to see Obama out there fighting for their side. They want to
feel like he is an ally, and not too aloof.
MATTHEWS: Okay. Let me go by Joan, because I think Joan`s on the
progressive side and always has been. You heard Bernie Sanders earlier in
this show, tough new trade laws. Very tough on trade, making it very hard
for countries to trade with us that don`t want to basically pay our
salaries basically they do over here, and protect the environment like we
Let`s face it. It would be very tough to get those countries in the
third world to agree to the way we do things here.
So tougher trade laws. Let`s face it, harder to -- harder to trade.
Bigger government in terms of taxes the rich. Go up and raise taxes for
the rich and protect the big entitlement programs. That`s the progressive
point of view. That`s what it is.
WALSH: (Inaudible).
MATTHEWS: A more conservative point of view -- no, that`s what it is.
Bill Clinton got re-elected in `96 by saying, I`m going to sign the
welfare reform bill. I`m going to end welfare as a right. I`m going to
support NAFTA. I`m going to support balancing the budget. I`m going to
cut government spending, as well as raise taxes. He took a centrist
I thought Clarence was going to go on tonight -- and that`s what I
thought you said you were going to do -- and back the Bill Clinton
approach, not the populist approach. I`m going back to Clarence.
What is your position, sir?
WALSH: No, but you know what?
MATTHEWS: I need to know. You first. I know where -- I know where
you are, Joan.
Where are you, Clarence?
PAGE: (Inaudible) Bill Clinton with a populist?
MATTHEWS: Are you with Bill Clinton? Are you with -- are you.
PAGE: (Inaudible) Bill Clinton with a populist?
MATTHEWS: Why are we -- Clarence.
PAGE: When Bill Clinton -- when Bill Clinton.
MATTHEWS: When they run into (inaudible).
PAGE: . welfare is, and we know it.
MATTHEWS: OK, let`s get back to your business. When they write the
election report after the 2012 election, and they said the president won by
going to the center, or the president won by going to the left and pushing
a very populist agenda, what will be the winning headline? That`s all I`m
Let`s go to our business reporting on this. Let`s use the usual
English language. Will he be perceived as successfully the left or
successfully the center?
PAGE: Chris, you know as well as I do the same event happens. You
get five different headlines and different angles.
MATTHEWS: What will yours be?
PAGE: The fact is there is a lot of confusion -- there`s a lot of
confusion over whether Obama has changed or not. A lot of folks thought he
was more left than he was in 2008. I think he is more left than he is
right now. He has always been a centrist, a pragmatist. People on the
left get disappointed in that sometimes.
MATTHEWS: OK, let me -- let me sharpen this
PAGE: But I tell you, up (inaudible).
MATTHEWS: (Inaudible).
PAGE: . Republican team right now.
MATTHEWS: I want to -- OK. Let me sharpen the question. It`s my
fault. I`m going to sharpen the question.
Over the next several months, between now and the election getting
started, should he be perceived as out there trying to cut a deal with John
Boehner or going to war with Wall Street? What is the smarter move?
Joan, what`s the smarter move? Trying to cut a deal with the
WALSH: Going to war -- going to war with Wall Street, definitely not
trying to cut a deal with Republicans. Chris, two things. After the great
debacle, after the debt ceiling compromise, even independents and
Republican-leaning independents said he should have fought Republicans
People want a fighter.
MATTHEWS: (Inaudible), OK.
WALSH: So compromise with Boehner. Forget about it. The other thing
I want to say --
MATTHEWS: (Inaudible). I got to divide the time. I`m sorry.
Clarence, should he be seen trying to make friends with Republicans
across the aisle, having beer lunches and all that other crap? Or should
he be going to war with the right? What should he be seen doing as
PAGE: He should be seen -- he should be seen as getting something
done or trying to get something don. And if he fails, at least he`ll be
able to say he fought hard.
MATTHEWS: OK, you`re trying to get onto
PAGE: (Inaudible).
MATTHEWS: . OK, there we got your position, trying to cut a deal with
Thank you, Joan Walsh.
Thank you finally, Clarence Page, for sharpening this debate.
And for those of you who are wondering why the White House looks pink
tonight, it`s because the White House is honoring National Breast Cancer
Awareness Month, as it should be. Good for them.
Up next, FDR went left. Bill Clinton went to the center. Which way
should President Obama go? That`s the question for our historians. This
is a great Democratic debate tonight. And you`re on HARDBALL, only on
MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL. We`ve been debating for an hour
now about the choice President Obama does face between now and re-election.
And for guidance, we now look back to some American presidents, as I
mentioned before, and how they positioned themselves when they ran for re-
Both are Democrats, different kind of Democrats. What kind of lessons
can President Obama learn from history and from whom?
Doug Brinkley is a presidential historian and Sam Tanenhaus is editor
of "The New York Times Book Review".
Gentlemen, thank you for joining us. Let`s look at history. On the
eve of the `36 election, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt made the
voters` choice clear. He certainly did. Let`s listen to part of his
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT: We have to struggle with the old
enemies of peace, business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless
banking, class antagonism, factionalism, war profiteering. Never before in
all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as
they`ve been today. They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome
their hatred.
MATTHEWS: He said, I welcome their hatred. That`s what he said of
big business. Here he is, in 1996, a different kind of Democrat, State of
the Union speech, President Bill Clinton telegraphed his re-election
strategy. Let`s listen.
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: We have worked to give the American people a
smaller, less bureaucratic government in Washington, and we have to give
the American people one that lives within its means. The era of big
government is over.
MATTHEWS: Well, there you have it, Doug Brinkley. One speech
written by Franklin Roosevelt -- Robert Sherwood, probably -- and one
written by Dick Morris. Your thoughts on what the President of the United
States should do to get re-elected? Doug Brinkley? What point of view?
DOUG BRINKLEY, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Well, that FDR -- the FDR
speech that you just played in 1936, October 31, everybody should read it.
That is what Obama`s doing. He is actually turning to the very clip you
played there when he is going after the Bush administration, saying, look,
I inherited a lot of these problems.
He`s also now talking about being a doer, and that -- just that `36
clip was about the New Deal and that he needed more time to get things
through. I think President Obama has to go to a progressive left and talk
about building jobs, infrastructure, and do it with enthusiasm, like
Michael Moore said.
People want to feel a John Kennedy or an FDR, that he`s fighting for
the middle class. And he`s already calling himself a middle class warrior,
President Obama, and if he could sell that in Ohio, he`ll get re-elected.
MATTHEWS: Well the last Democratic president to get re-elected --
and the only one since Roosevelt -- is Bill Clinton.
Sam Tanenhaus, is that the right role to go?
SAM TANENHAUS, EDITOR: Well, it`s true, you know, Chris, I`ve been
watching this show intently today. And one of the interesting points
people have raised is about independents. How do you win the independent
What we haven`t asked is: who are the independents? And today what
they seem to be are what we used to call moderate Republicans. That is,
people who are alienated from the Republican Party because it`s moved so
far right.
And Obama needs to bring those into his camp the way he did in 2008.
Now, that doesn`t mean he can`t run in what some are calling a kind of a
progressive program, but he has to identify that as the sensible centrist
one, and portray the Republicans as the extremists.
Roosevelt had the advantages of coming into office, advantage as it
were, several years after economic catastrophe had happened. Obama came
into office just at the moment when things were getting really bad.
So he has -- he, himself, owns more of that than Franklin Roosevelt
did. And so he has to say he will solve it in a responsible way so those
Republicans in the suburbs of Denver or in Greenwich, Connecticut, feel
comfortable with him.
MATTHEWS: Let`s go back to Doug about that. How do you sell a
progressive message of we`re going after the economic royalists, we`re
going after the bad guys who caused this problem, without scaring off those
middle-of-the-road Republicans who don`t like the far right? Doug?
BRINKLEY: By not calling it -- by not calling it liberalism or
progressivism, but American can-doism. And you give examples on
infrastructure, of somebody like Eisenhower was a fiscal conservative, but
built the interstate highway system, the St. Lawrence Seaway.
Kennedy went to the moon. The EPA was created by Richard Nixon. And
nobody in the `60s thought Nixon was a liberal. Clearly this is a -- his
opponents, Romney and/or Perry, you know, they are a different right than
And he has to kind of make his opponents seem to be like fringe
characters, and he`s the representative of the middle class. And I would
also be a little Bobby Kennedy. Roll up the shirt sleeves in `68 and go to
Appalachia, go to barrios, be seen not just at fundraisers but get out
there and mix with the American people.
The Secret Service may not like him to do that, but I think he`s
electrifying in person, and we need to feel that Obama has had his moment.
He tried triangulation. The debt ceiling debate over the summer showed
that nobody wants to do business with him, and Mitch McConnell was right
when he said we don`t want to do business with Barack Obama.
Obama has to not just work about his reelection, but he`s fighting for
the history of the Democratic tradition of Franklin Roosevelt, and to
abandon it by a kind of mealy-mouthed middle course would be a -- be a
mistake. There is no grand bargain. This is war in 2012, and Obama has to
MATTHEWS: Sam, respond to that.
TANENHAUS: Well, I think actually, Doug, who`s a historian, who`s my
good friend and historian I really admire, I think is getting a lot of that
What we are confusing at this moment, I think, is partisan politics
and ideology. If you look at the last several elections, you look at the
successful incumbents, the ones who were able to recapture office, they
were highly partisan. They were not necessarily ideological, that is to
say, the Republicans are the bad guys. It`s --
MATTHEWS: It sounds like Truman you`re talking about there, Sam.
TANENHAUS: Well, a little bit like -- yes, I think it`s a -- it`s a
combination of Truman, Reagan, George W. Bush, of all people, and Bill
Remember Reagan -- no one remembers Reagan in `84. He actually had a
very bland message. It was "stay the course". Now it`s tough for Obama to
say that, now when things look bad, but he can say, as Bill Clinton said in
`96, you`ve seen Newt Gingrich, and Obama can say you`ve seen John Boehner.
You`ve seen Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor. You`ve seen the Tea Party. Is
this really what you think is going to save the country? Stay with me, and
at least you`ll get a sensible and thoughtful, you know, approach to the
problems we have.
MATTHEWS: Sounds like moderation to me. Anyway, thank you, Doug
Thank you, Sam Tanenhaus, as you continue our debate.
When we return, let me finish with a final word on the choice facing
President Obama. I still think it`s a choice. It`s a big one. You`re
watching HARDBALL, only on MSNBC.
MATTHEWS: So let me finish tonight with a question that has to be
answered down there at the White House, and out there at the Chicago
headquarters of the Obama administration.
Should President Obama run for re-election as a passionate
progressive, daring to be called radical by his enemies?
Should he shoot the moon like FDR did back in `36? Or should he head
closer to the middle, stake out common ground with independents, warning
against the radicalism of the right?
Should he play it shrewd like Bill Clinton did in `96? Again, think
of the stakes. If he gets it right, he and the Democrats get four more
years to get the economy finally back on track, with full employment again
the norm, the country heading forward to greener pastures, bluer skies,
continuing the long good march toward a cleaner environment, a protected
climate, a more human, more tolerant, fully employed society.
If he blows it, the Tea Partyers and the neocons come roaring back,
emptying out the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute,
erecting statues to Dick Cheney, celebrating the death penalty, elevating
torture, ending environmental protection as we know it, breaking unions,
punishing gays, starting more wars, enacting one more giant tax cut for the
rich -- or worse.
Having heard the arguments tonight, left and center, you have the
chance to let the president and his people know what you think. My hunch
is that there are a wild number of people out there watching right now this
minute, who have the access to get their message across.
Here`s what I think: the president needs to dramatize this election.
He needs to lay out on the table the consequences of this election year. I
just said what they are. He ought to be at least as good as I was staking
out the differences in the American future, depending on who gets those 270
electoral votes in 2012.
If you think this election doesn`t matter, you`re wrong. If you think
it matters and don`t vote, well, there`s nothing I can say but that you`re
not doing what you should.
And that`s HARDBALL for now. Thanks for being with us. "THE LAST
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LAS VEGAS – Following Wednesday's UFC 130 presser, UFC president Dana White spent an additional half-hour speaking with a small group of reporters, and the fiery exec opened up regarding numerous topics.
While MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has already covered several key issues, including the latest on potential matchups such as Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz and Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans, White addressed numerous additional pertinent points.
Among the most interesting were the futures of Brock Lesnar and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, the plan for the 14th season of "The Ultimate Fighter," and the continued shuffling of the UFC's lightweight division.
"TUF" coaches still a work in progress
With "The Ultimate Fighter 14" set to begin filming in less than two weeks, the promotion has yet to announce which two fighters will serve as opposing coaches. There's a good reason for that, White said: They don't know yet.
"Not yet," White said when asked if he had yet selected the coaches. "When I was driving here, I was on the phone working on that. There's things that I want to do, and I'm trying to do them. We'll see how it all plays out."
UFC brass had originally hoped to pair Chael Sonnen against Michael Bisping in what surely would have provided TV gold. But with Sonnen's recent suspension, the UFC was forced to scramble.
With a myriad of rumors floating around, White did rule out the possibility of St-Pierre and Diaz serving in the role.
As for who might serve as coaches, White said it doesn't necessarily have to be anyone hoping for a title shot or tat the company owes airtime. Instead, it's more about finding the proper fit for the show.
"It's not a reward," White clarified. "What we do is we look for guys that could go in and actually teach younger guys some stuff. They come in, and they bring in a team, and they mentor these younger guys."
White optimistic for Lesnar's return, says champ "in a good place"
June's UFC 131 event took a massive hit when former heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar was forced to withdraw from a planned No. 1 bout with Junior Dos Santos.
Stricken with a second case of diverticulitis, the same life-threatening illness that he battled in 2009, Lesnar's fighting future isn't yet known.
However, White said he recently spoke with the former professional wrestling superstar, and he appears to be in a good place, mentally.
"I talked to him a few days ago," White said. "His head's in a good place."
White said a Thursday visit to the doctor will reveal more on Lesnar's exact condition and recovery prognosis. But just as Lesnar has insisted retirement is not even an option, White remains optimistic that the heavyweight will return in early 2012.
"He has an appointment tomorrow at the Mayo Clinic," White said. "He's going to make some decisions as to what he's going to do, but he's in a good place right now.
"This black cloud hanging over the heavyweight division, I feel optimistic about it. I think it's going to turn out well for [Lesnar], and I'm hoping we can get him back by the first of the year."
Despite recent losses, "Cro Cop" will fight again
Former PRIDE grand prix winner Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic remains a legendary figure in MMA, but a pair of back-to-back knockout losses left many fight fans wondering if the 36-year-old Croatian was ready to hang up the gloves.
Following "Cro Cop's" UFC 128 loss to Brendan Schaub, White even admitted he was among those who felt Filipovic was best served by retirement. Today, however, White said Filipovic will instead fight again.
"This guy wants to fight again, and I owe him another fight," White said.
the UFC boss refused to change his stance on what he felt was best for Filipovic. But White said he doesn't believe the kickboxing specialist is in the same position UFC Hall of Famer Chuck Liddell occupied following a 1-5 stint to end his career.
In that situation, White stepped in and essentially coerced his good friend into walking away from competition. White said he has an opinion on "Cro Cop," but he also has a deal in place that he feels obligated to honor.
"Do I think that he should have retired?" White asked. "Yeah. But I don't think he's in one of these situations where I felt Chuck Liddell needed to retire right then.
"Listen, [Filipovic] is a grown man, and if he wants to continue to fight, that's his right, and he still has a fight with me."
Of course, the UFC always reserves the right to release fighters following a defeat. However, that won't happen here, White insisted.
"We have a deal," White said. "'Cro Cop' and I made a deal, and 'Cro Cop' wants to fight again, so I'm going to honor my deal."
Pettis now two fights from belt, Edgar-Maynard III date not yet determined
Perhaps no one was more frustrated at Edgar and Maynard's UFC 125 draw than the WEC's final champion, Anthony Pettis. "Showtime" was promised a shot at the winner of the Janaury matchup, but when one emerged, he was forced to make a decision – wait on the sidelines or take another fight.
Pettis chose to fight on, and he'll now face Clay Guida at The Ultimate Fighter 13 Finale. As it turns out, Pettis decision was probably for the best, as injuries to both Edgar and Maynard saw that fight delayed until later this year.
The bad news for Pettis? A win over Guida doesn't assure him an immediate title shot. White admits the situation is unfortunate, but he figured Pettis will probably need to fight once more should he beat Guida while the rest of the division shakes out.
"That kid's in a bad position," White said. "He's supposed to be the next in line. All this craziness happens. [Edgar and Maynard] both get hurt, and it gets pushed back again. The first one is a draw, then they get hurt, and it gets pushed back again. But this is one of those things that happens in a sport like this.
"I respect [Pettis] for stepping up and taking on a tough guy like Guida, and he'll probably have to fight again before he gets a shot at one of those guys. Sucks for him. It's a [expletive] position for him to be in."
As for Edgar-Maynard III, White said he's not sure when that fight will happen. White said he'll check on both fighters' status in the next six-to-eight weeks, and the fight will then take place as quickly as possible.
"As soon as they're ready, we'll figure it out," White said. "It's going to depend on how long it takes these guys to heal – at the latest, eight weeks. They should be able to start training in eight weeks, both of them. Maybe six."
Aldo's return date not guaranteed
The MMA world was shocked to learn this past week that UFC featherweight champion Jose Aldo had withdrawn from a tentative UFC 133 fight with undefeated challenger Chad Mendes.
Some were even more shocked when Mendes elected to take a fight with Rani Yahya at UFC 133 rather than wait on the champ's return, which Aldo's camp insisted would be in September.
Today, White said there simply is no guarantee the champ would return by that date.
"That's a good question, and I honestly don't know the answer to that one," White said when asked by MMAjunkie.com for an update an Aldo's status. "He is hurt. He's got a problem with his shoulder."
Aldo's camp previously declined to name the nature of the injury but did say the champ was currently beginning six weeks of rehab. Today, White revealed that might not be the end of the line for the Brazilian slugger, which is why Mendes elected to stay busy rather than wait and hope.
"I think that the confusion might be that they don't know if [Aldo] is going to have to have surgery yet or not," White said. "He's going to try and rehab it, and then we'll see if he's going to have to have surgery."
"Dark era" DVDs unlikely to see the light of day
Hardcore UFC fans are among the most avid collectors of DVDs on the planet, with many enthusiasts boasting near-complete libraries of every UFC event ever held.
Unfortunately for U.S.-based fans, a number of events have never been released on DVD.
While in recent years, Lions Gate issued UFC 1 through UFC 12, UFC 13 through UFC 38 have never appeared on disc in the U.S. White said fans clamoring for the titles shouldn't expect them anytime soon, if ever.
However, the UFC boss did make an offer that he may soon regret. Send him an email, White said, and he'll just burn the damn things for you.
"I get asked that question all the time," White told MMAjunkie.com. "We do (own the footage). What happened was, when we bought the company and we started making the DVDs, there were some that we went back that we thought were good enough titles.
"You're talking about a group of people this big that collect the whole series. I'd like to know how big that number really is, and I'd rather just burn some [expletive] DVDs for them and give them to them. You go out, and you try and product these DVDs in that era of time, there's no shelf space (in stores). It's impossible to get out there and sell them.
"Email me, and I'll burn you a set."
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The backyard is always full of cheerful chatter even on horribly windy days like today. We get so many varieties of birds it's hard to believe. The birds and squirrels are downright FAT! lol
Saturday while Chloe was at riding, Rich and I walked the trail along the South Platte river and got some great photos of pairs of ducks. I wanted to get some photos of the Canada Geese that seem to be EVERYWHERE... everywhere except there, apparently! lol
Sunday morning as I got out of bed, a bit of movement caught my eye in the east window. It was a coyote. There is a pretty good-sized pack of them just back of here- we have green space behind our back yard- and we have all been warned to keep a track of our pets, especially at night. Many neighbors have had their cats disappear. Such is life when you live side by side with wild animals, I guess.
Anyway, I decided I wanted to see if I could get a picture, and ran out back with the camera. Good thing I have a decent zoom lens, he was a good piece away and looked right at me. There were three of them, and Rich said they were the healthiest looking coyotes he has ever seen. Up in the hills he saw them a lot, but they were much skinnier.
I think it is very cool living so near to so much life outside!
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Concerning Hobbits
Concerning Hobbits is the first part of the Prologue to The Lord of the Rings.
Concerning Hobbits details the history of Hobbits from their origins in the Vales of Anduin, to their movement into Eriador, their trusteeship of The Shire, and the events leading up to the War of the Ring. Concerning Hobbits also provides a broad description of the physical characteristics of Hobbits, as well as their manners, customs and important families.
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2001: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring:
- "Concerning Hobbits" is the name of the second scene of the Extended Edition wherein "Concerning Hobbits" is the first chapter of Bilbo Baggins's book, in which he describes the nature of Hobbits. The audience hears Bilbo reading this aloud as a voiceover on top of scenes of life in The Shire.
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