TablePlus – Modern, Native Tool for Database Management - <AUTHOR> https://tableplus.com/ <comment><USER2> Don't know if the person who posted this has an affiliation, I do not, but I'm a huge fan of TablePlus so feel it's still worth it for me to comment about this.

It offers so many features that seem so natural. Quick editability which in some cases saves a ton of time. Tabs for different tables, plain text editing for queries with highlighting for ease of reading. There are other database interactors, that do the same thing, but really for me, I've found the UI/UX looks and feels so much better than others, and as a user, that really is a huge part of it.

As for the licensing price, I started by trying it out in the free, two tab version. I then stepped back and thought about how for me, the benefit it gave me was well worth $60.

Again, I have nothing to do with them, but for how nice it's been for me, I feel it deserves a shoutout.

<comment><USER3> I've been using TablePlus for a long time now as well. I don't have any affiliation but started with their mac app. It was easily the best DB GUI out there. I like that you can use the same GUI for PostgreSQL, MYSQL, Redis, MongoDB, and SQLite (there are even more than this, but these are the ones I use).

It is awesome to have one very powerful and well-maintained program for all my database needs. I can get proficient at one tool and use it for everything. In addition, I can pay 1 licensing fee and get access to a powerful tool for working with all of these databases, instead of needing a separate tool for each one (which was the case in the past).

The pricing model is EXTREMELY FAIR in my opinion. First of all, it is free to use in its entirety forever, with only a small handful of limitations. New devs will easily be satisfied with the free version. You can upgrade to support them and to remove the few limitations in the free version for just $60. This is well worth any developer's time as it accounts for only an hour or two of their wages most likely. I also like that it is a perpetual license, so you don't need to "subscribe" if you don't want to. You do need to renew if you want newer versions, as the $60 license only covers 1 year of updates. But i think that this is a great balance between being fair (it is perpetual at the version + 12mos that you bought it at), while also incentivizing and allowing to support further development. Finally offering a generous free version supports newbies and the dev community.

Lastly I need to point out an often-overlooked reason to consider TablePlus. They offer tools on every platform (Mac, Windows, Linux). And MOST IMPORTANTLY, this isn't an electron application. Each version is maintained by a seperate team (from my understanding) within their business and it is built on the native language and frameworks for that platform.

About 1.5-2 years ago I started a discussion on their forum about bringing a version to Linux (at the time it was only Windows and Mac). The forum post quickly started gaining momentum from other Linux users who discussed how there is quite literally NO good DB GUI on Linux (other than the CLI). Let alone something as easy to use and powerful as TablePlus. The team eventually committed to a Linux version, and after a year of development updates I was invited to the beta and had been using it ever since.

This team really is great and I highly recommend trying their tool for free and upgrading to the paid version if you find it useful, which I think any developer will.

<comment><USER4> That sounds impressive, if not unbelievable, they have 2 employees listed on their LinkedIn, and only 3 listed on their website. Maybe they are using offshore developers for a lot of the heavy lifting, but I honestly don't see how they could have native apps for 3 platforms that have this much functionality with that many employees. Anyone else have insight?

<comment><USER5> Why not? Two full time developers is plenty if you don't have the overhead of management processes, and everyone has a unified vision. Sublime Text was a one-man show until relatively recently. It's a single cross-platform codebase, but he built the cross-platform abstraction layer himself! Presumably this has the underlying database logic in some kind of shared library.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Been using the open source dbeaver for a while now. On the whole very impressed with it, so worth a look as a free alternative.

<comment><USER7> Does the code completion/autocomplete in dbeaver support "fuzzy typing" like in Sublime Text?

For example, if you have a table called "catalog_product_flat", would the autocomplete suggest that table when you typed "catprfl"?

<comment><USER8> Just tried that and it did autocomplete, for example 'dal' to 'django_admin_log'. It did not auto-suggest it while typing, but when I pressed control-space it expanded it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> The application looks and feels nice, but the per-device pricing/licensing model seems severely outdated to me. I will not make a purchase unless named licenses, which enable me to use the application on all devices and operating systems I use (with reasonable limits if DRM is needed for some reason), are available.

<comment><USER10> This is an odd hill to die on. I'd bet 90%+ of engineers have a single computer they code from at home (even if you have multiple computers) and another at work. It's perfectly fair to pay for a separate license for each of those use cases. I'd prefer this to some $10/month SAAS model.

<comment><USER11> Disagreed. I have a MBP, a Linux desktop and a Thinkpad running both Linux and Windows. My one subscription to a Jetbrains product covers all of them provided I don't run the program at the same time across multiple machines.

Believing that most engineers only have one computer IMO seems out of touch with reality.

<comment><USER12> > My one subscription to a Jetbrains product covers all of them

And also includes their database tool, DataGrip.

<comment><USER13> DataGrip is quickly becoming unusable to me due to it's inability to show me a tables/field encoding.

I really have no clue how anyone thought that was an unnecessary feature.

<comment><USER14> Can you elaborate on what that is? I haven't ran I to that before.

<comment><USER13> Like the other response on this says. Tables in MySQL (and individual columns, and databases) have an encoding associated with them, this determines what characters you can store in them.

Right now I cannot modify that in Datagrip, but worse, I cannot even see it without a raw query.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Free alternative i have been using for some years now: [https://dbeaver.io/](https://dbeaver.io/)

The community edition is updated more often than i would like and sometimes features break but bugs get fixed quickly and they add usefull stuff all the time.

Dont know what i would do if i was stuck with pgAdmin...

<comment><USER16> I like SequelPro. The UI much simpler, powerful, but it's inactivated, nobody working on it to update for new macOS :(

<comment><USER17> I loved it and would pay for it. But after 3 months of restarting it a couple of times a day since the 2018 Mac update, I switched to TablePlus.

I still miss SequelPro, as its search and export features where way better then TablePlus' way.

<comment><USER18> There are nightly builds, including in Homebrew. They're not perfect but the only bug I've run into is filtering the query history.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> I've been using it for the past year and it's my go to app for managing PG databases. As much as I love SQL, TablePlus makes certain actions like inserts/updates/import really convenient especially when you're working with dev databases.

</comment><comment><USER20> Previous discussion (333 points): [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16339004](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16339004)

<comment><USER21> That was 2018.

Also 2019: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19160808](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19160808)

And another 2018: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18004727](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18004727)

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> How does this compare to Datagrip / IntelliJ IDEA for databases in terms of functionality? I've been using IntelliJ for relational databases and I am very pleased with it.

<comment><USER23> It is far easier to work than DataGrip.

I used DataGrip after SequelPro stopped updating to support MySQL 8 and apparently it's feature rich but got annoyed how it's bloated and takes half a minute to launch.

I still prefer SequelPro for it's layout and UI but finally dropped it in favor of TablePlus as now it seems close enough to that usability.

Also of note is that the author is really responsive and friendly on GitHub who corrected some minor UI issues pretty quickly when I reported.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> Postico is a nice Mac alternative but is focused on Postgres DBs like Redshift.

<comment><USER25> Been using it since its first stable release, absolutely reliable and easy to work with. Version 2, which should be released soon, is even nicer.

[https://eggerapps.at/postico/](https://eggerapps.at/postico/)

<comment><USER26> Version 2 is lovely, I have been using it in beta and it seems quite stable, looking forward to the final release.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> I work with SQL Server. I really like general multi-db GUI tools like this, but also wonder if one is giving up a lot of power.

SQL Server's free native tool is SSMS (SQL Server Management Studio), which is one of the most powerful SQL clients I've ever used. (despite my carryover reservations with MS products from the 1980s-90s, SQL Server is indisputably an innovative and solid piece of technology -- MS did something right with their database group). One can interact syntactically with the database via pure SQL, but SSMS lets you access the deep corners of the database quickly via a GUI (SQL is a great _query_ language, but many admin/ops tasks are much more easily done via a GUI -- writing SQL every time you want make a simple change is tedious plus nobody remembers the syntax for infrequently used features). Some of the features I use regularly: row/column/covering index creation, linked servers, user management, live query plans, create/alter script generation from existing objects (stored proc, view, index, table, etc.). I've never seen these features exposed in any third party SQL GUI client.

Postgres has a bunch of very powerful features too, and I've never seen these exposed in GUI tools.

Jetbrains' DataGrip comes the closest, but because it needs to support lowest common denominator features across databases, it doesn't expose deep features either.

I wonder if folks are giving up deep feature discovery by using an generic GUI SQL client.

Exception: Oracle SQL Developer. It's native to Oracle but is quite unpleasant to use.

<comment><USER28> Edit: read the parent wrong, but leaving my comment here so it doesn't look like backtracking some offensive content.

> wonder if one is giving up a lot of power.

That's an irrational concern. GUI tools also come with SQL consoles where you can do anything that's possible in the CLI. With the added benefit of results being presented in a nicer way.

<comment><USER29> If you've used SSMS extensively you'll know it's tailored to SQL server like a glove. You'd definitely be leaving usability on the table going with a generic DB client. The person you've responded to even mentioned that of course you can do all things via CLI, but SSMS builds powerful GUI layer on top of that

<comment><USER30> > If you've used SSMS extensively you'll know it's tailored to SQL server like > a glove.

Sure, assuming that MSSQL is a foot.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> I love the licensing model. No crappy "pay us for the privilege of using the software every month and year" like Adobe does. Just plain perpetual licence like Affinity. We need more projects like that.

<comment><USER32> Perpetual license but not perpetual updates. And you have to pay per device instead of per seat.

I think the pricing is low enough to overcome these annoyances but I'd rather pay double and not have to be concerned with buying another license when I dual boot another OS.

<comment><USER3> I do agree, that it would be nice to pay per seat, not per computer.

I develop on Mac 95% of the time, so I own a license on Mac, but on Windows I just use the free version because I don't use it on Windows enough to justify paying for it on that device, despite the fact I am a paying customer. This is an annoyance for me. However, I rarely run into any of the free-version limitations on Windows since I am usually just logging in quickly to check on something on Windows and not doing anything major. If I need to do some hardcore work I pull it up on my mac, which has a better dev environment. But it is extremely annoying the few times when I do go to open several tabs on WIndows and remember that despite being a paying customer, I can not use these paid features because I am using it on the wrong platform.

I don't have a problem with the perpetual license that doesn't include perpetual updates. To me, if you are using the tool that often, you can support the team that builds something that you most likely make money off using. One year of updates for TablePlus is nearly equivalent to a month of updates from Adobe. At $60 a year we are talking about $5 a month. Which is very little to most developers, who purchase $6 coffees and $15 salads without batting an eye.

But I would like to see a per-seat option. Especially because I most likely wouldn't/couldn't use two different computers at the same time, it seems fair to let me install it on a few OS's if I desire.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> I have been looking for a native app alternative to pgAdmin ever since they changed it over to a browser based application. I will have to check this out. Actually, if people have suggestions, I'll listen!

<comment><USER34> I have used both Postico and Tableplus extensively, and if you are sure that you are going to be working with Postgres only, its the better, more Mac-like app. However, both are a serious upgrade over PgAdmin :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER35> These products all do more or less the same thing. If Valentina Studio free version supports your DBs of choice, I've found it to suit my needs perfectly well - Postgres user here. Oh, did I mention it's free?

These products should have a mandatory feature comparison chart to their competition - it'd speed up the inevitable decline of mediocre competition that relies on gaming google search results for its survival. I back in the day had to download and suffer through half a dozen DB clients that do the same thing slightly differently.

</comment><comment><USER36> I've been using TablePlus for a while, its nice to have because it supports all the databases I use with no fuss, replaced a bunch of separate apps for Redis/PostgreSQL/MySQL/Cassandra.

Also comes as part of the deal if you have a Setapp subscription ([https://setapp.com/](https://setapp.com/) )

(And just to be clear, I'm not affilated with either company.)

</comment><comment><USER37> I like how TablePlus makes a yearly post. It is relevant for HN users and will deliver them nice sales but I wonder what is the policy for pasting same urls.

In product hunt I see same products arriving again with version #2 e.t.c

I know VSCode and Typescript announce their new versions here too.

May be the official policy is "it doesn't matter, unless too spammy?"

</comment><comment><USER38> "Supports a whole set of relational databases"

Includes MongoDB in the list.

<comment><USER39> and redis lol

</comment></comment><comment><USER40> > After 1 year, you can continue using TablePlus without any limitations but > you can't upgrade to the latest version. If you want to upgrade, you must > renew the license, the renewal fee is much cheaper than buying a new one.

This sort of put me off. Personally I am fine with a single user perpetual license for my use case. But as they are claiming it being a young project and likely to have more bugs than your average mature product. Why do you expect me to renew my license to get your updates ? doesn't seem fair.

> TablePlus is a young project, we fix bugs and add new features every day, > then put them together in a new update released at the end of week/month.

That week/month could fall a year after the date of my initial purchase :(

<comment><USER41> TablePlus for 2 Macs with 12 months of updates: $99

SetApp subscription for 2 Macs (includes TablePlus): $108/year

<comment><USER42> does SetApp show ads? what is the difference between business and personal pricing? they seem to be the same.

<comment><USER40> Yeah, I am getting the same impression that the personal might have ads? not sure.

I am trying it now and the trial version doesn't show me ads, at least not yet ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

<comment><USER43> No ads in Setapp.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER44> I like tableplus a lot and used it mainly as a redis GUI (we have a querious license at work so i use that for sql). I did encounter some wierd things around version 290 it seems that when you use a filter (which is called "advanced filter" not sure why) on a mac everything works but the same filtering action was blocked for the free version on my windows machine. some versions later it was also blocked on my mac but i cant seem to find any way to filter redis keys at all. other than that i really like everything else

</comment><comment><USER45> I like TablePlus and have bought licenses for my work computers. It's got a lot features, but is still rough around the edges in some spots: Mongo is technically supported but the viewing and editing experience isn't great for nested object. The SSH support seems wonky: I can't get it to work with my ssh config which uses proxyjunp to connect. I have to setup the tunnel using -L in my terminal and use the local port in TP. I know it's supposed to be able to use the proxy jump configs but it has just never worked for me.

<comment><USER23> I have a jump host and it works by reading ~/.ssh/config and works fine.

You might want to report it on GitHub as they seemed quite responsive the last time I reported an issue.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> These GUIs are great though I find no substitute for learning the CLIs. With a CLI one can work on remote systems and quickly automate one off tasks.

<comment><USER46> Ditto. I'm one of the few at my company who uses the CLI. It's so much quicker and intuitive for me.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Does the code completion/autocomplete in this program support "fuzzy typing" like in Sublime Text?

For example, if you have a table called "catalog_product_flat", would this program's autocomplete suggest that table when you typed "catprfl"?

That's one feature I find is missing from every single DBA program out there except for DataGrip, which I don't like because it's overkill.

<comment><USER47> Yeah, it tries to do that but is not always very good at it. For example with aliases in join and subqueries it struggles sometimes and it doesn't show up.

</comment></comment><comment><USER48> I saw TablePlus first time again in HN, (circa 2016) since then it is go-to tool for databases.

Many DB connection UI's (except MySQL Workbench and Sequel Pro I think) requires some kind of purchase. Besides My company uses Sequel Pro it always had either crashed or having slow import/export speeds etc.

Even TablePlus can import/export between engines using CSV files, which is IMHO awesome option to have.

<comment><USER23> SequelPro served me for years and I loved it but since it no longer is being actively maintained (I know about nightlies but it's buggy with constant crashes and such, so it doesn't count.) to support MySQL 8, I'm glad TablePlus mostly caught up on the usability to SequelPro for me to have a unified tool for all DB needs.

</comment></comment><comment><USER49> When/Why should someone pick it over dbeaver ?

</comment><comment><USER50> Hands up if you use cli and format SQL with python-sql-format/README.md at master · longgb246/python-sql-format [https://github.com/longgb246/python-sql- format/blob/master/R...](https://github.com/longgb246/python-sql- format/blob/master/README.md)

</comment><comment><USER51> For those of you who miss SequelPro before it was abandoned, this is a worthy successor. I bought licenses for my whole team.

<comment><USER52> Indeed. I just went searching for a SequelPro replacement yesterday and found Table Plus. Tried it for an hour and bought a license.

</comment></comment><comment> Nevada-Smith This program won't install on Windows 7 because it requires .NET Framework version 4.8, which won't install on Windows 7, because Micro$oft doesn't support it any longer. Given this, you'd think TablePlus would explicitly mention this before putting Windows 7 users through this unnecessary waste of time.

<comment><USER53> Why would they support a dead OS? Windows 7 is months past end-of-life, receiving no security patches and hence unsafe to use.

And by the way they actually explicit mention it on the homepage - it says .NET 4.8 right under the download button.

<comment> Nevada-Smith > And by the way they actually explicit mention it on the homepage - it says > .NET 4.8 right under the download button.

True, that. Except who keeps track of which version of .NET works with what? I for one don't.

Years ago, I used to use TablePlus on my Win 7 box but eventually canned it for better (IMO) alternatives. So when TablePlus recently reappeared on HN, I decided to give it another tryout.

Not one to keep track of .NET compatibility, I simply clicked their "Download for Windows" button, and ran their setup program, which eventually prompted for me to download/install .NET 4.8, as if everything was okay so far...

All this extraneous effort could easily have been avoided simply by:

a) s/Download for Windows/Download for Windows 10/

b) Browser OS sniffing-->Sorry, you're using an unsupported OS

c) Their install program could have announced straight away-->Sorry, you're using an unsupported OS

<comment><USER54> Alternatively, you could just use a modern OS and no longer have to worry about whether or not programs are unsupported.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER55> Coincidentally, I discovered TablePlus in Setapp today while searching for a macOS MySQL client. Has been a smooth experience in the first few hours, and a better looking interface that other clients that I have tried in the past.

As another comment mentions, support for Linux is a big plus - we need better GUIs in there.

</comment><comment><USER56> I like the fact that it has a reasonable price without the subscription bullshit. Like linkpad, pay money and own the product without having to pay for every single month. That's how software should be sold, like the good old days.

</comment><comment><USER57> Looks like almost the same feature set as SQLPal: [http://www.pebblereports.com/sqlpal/](http://www.pebblereports.com/sqlpal/)

However, SQLPal only supports Oracle.

</comment><comment><USER58> Been using this for a 8 months now, I really enjoy it. It's polished, and has a format sql query feature that is useful for that final step once you have your query down to what you want it. Very nice stuff.

</comment><comment><USER59> TablePlus is awesome! I got it through Setapp and it completely any need I had for SequelPro which I feel got shittier in the last couple of years (no new features and it feels super laggy nowadays).

</comment><comment><USER60> After testing this for 30 minutes it made me actually Donate money to the HeidiSQL project, as it fits my workflow MUCH better.

It has a couple of annoying bugs but it's feature set develops in general much more along my actual needs.

The Redis implementation of TablePlus is rather worthless to me compared to what Redis Desktop Manager does as it doesn't sensibly group keys, it doesn't give me much information about the relevant redis metrics (memory usage especially).

Over in the MySQL side of things of TablePlus I like the way it structures its filters and the way I can actually copy a column of values in sensible formats, but besides these two features i'm much happier with HeidiSQL, so that's where I put my money.

<comment><USER61> Have you gotten HeidiSQL to work well with PostgresQL? I really like it back when I used MySQL, but it's absolutely rife with bugs in its PostgresQL adapter with constant crashes and invalid queries being generated.

It's so bad that it makes me wonder if I just have something misconfigured instead of it being an application bug.

<comment><USER60> I only use the PostgreSQL adapter only for a very simple database, so I can't comment on it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER62> I've been using this as a part of my Setapp subscription and loving it. It's the only tool that has replaced DBeaver (which is still more powerful, but I hate the interface).

</comment><comment><USER63> Has anyone compared this to Navicat? Our non profit has a non commercial license for Navicat Premium, and I just love the product (despite more than a few quirks).

</comment><comment><USER39> gave it a trial install, and one thing I noticed right away is that memory usage shoots up and responsiveness slows to a crawl when working with medium- ish tables (hundreds of thousands of rows) if you happen to run a select and forget to limit your query, it slows to a crawl

datagrip paginates results in batches of 500 by default, which helps with not accidentally making the interface implode on itself

</comment><comment><USER64> I love it because it's the only Mac app that allows you to connect to a remote Mysql server via ssh and Unix socket at the same time.

</comment><comment><USER50> Where's Linux version? Does editor has vi bindings? People should stop building database IDE without vi bindings.

</comment><comment><USER65> I use sqlpro and just tried this, thinking that maybe table plus is better, their history feature is much better imho.

</comment><comment><USER66> Curious if anyone knows how it stacks up against Sequel Pro?

(At least if you only need to work with MySQL, obviously?)

<comment><USER67> Well, it is maintained! My understanding is that SequelPro hasn't seen any release since 2016 (at least based on [https://github.com/sequelpro/sequelpro/releases](https://github.com/sequelpro/sequelpro/releases)).

</comment></comment><comment><USER68> Just gave it a test with WSL2 on Windows, doesn't seem to work with that setup. A shame

<comment><USER69> Just tried the same, worked fine for me.

</comment></comment><comment><USER70> No mention of DynamoDB or Cosmos. Why can't these DB's get some love from tool vendors?

<comment><USER71> I use both TablePlus and DynamoDB at work. I don't see any reason to bother trying to put DynamoDB support into TablePlus.

DynamoDB is great at its one killer feature of supporting arbitrarily huge tables without you having to worry about any details. For everything else, it's just kind of adequate, considering the constraint of needing to support multi-Terabyte tables. It lacks a huge number of features that all RDBMSes have that would admittedly be impossible or not make sense on huge tables. Thus, it doesn't make much sense to try to access it from a RDBMS GUI.

The AWS Console provides all of the GUI that really makes sense for it, plus the CLI tools and API.

</comment></comment><comment><USER72> DBeaver is hands down the best client for any and all databases, plus it's free.

</comment><comment><USER73> Use it, love it. All it needs is a Data Modeler and it would be complete.

</comment><comment><USER74> Anyone know what this is built in/with? C++ & GTK?

<comment><USER75> I can confirm with a very little spelunking that the Mac app is a real native AppKit/Cocoa app. It appears to mostly be written in Swift, but also uses a fair amount of Objective-C. They've said publicly that the Windows version is written in C# and C/C++. Not sure what they did for Linux...

</comment></comment><comment><USER76> I love TablePlus. Definitely worth it's money for me.

</comment><comment><USER77> Looks nice. Is there any plan to support Apache CouchDB ?

</comment><comment><USER78> Sequel Pro's pros:

\- Sequel Pro's UI is much simpler

\- it's been around for over a decade

\- Sequel Pro can import/export large DBs much quicker

\- works on OSX

\- less bloated by not having to support 10+ different db types

Genuine question: when did Redis become a relation db?

<comment><USER79> Table Plus works on macOS.

I disagree about the UI. Table Plus when connecting to a DB will mark the offending parameter red to let you know what credential isn't right e.g. host/port/key I've found this very helpful.

Sequel Pro is free which you didn't mention and Table Plus has a fee.

</comment></comment><comment><USER80> Thats one scary select statement in the screenshot.

</comment><comment><USER81> Anyone know if they plan to support Presto?

</comment><comment><USER82> is this similar to DBeaver?</comment>


Macron campaign team used honeypot accounts to fake out Fancy Bear - <AUTHOR> https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/macron-campaign-team-used-honeypot-accounts-to-fake-out-fancy-bear/ <comment><USER2> > WikiLeaks, which initially spread links to the documents posted by the > attackers, responded to Ars' previous coverage of the hack by tweeting, "It > is unlikely that it could have been a mistake. Mostly likely it is a false > flag or deliberate Russian signaling."

WL continues to prove it is no longer a trustworthy source.</comment>


Offer HN: Brainstorming your idea - <AUTHOR>

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Internet Archive free library to close due to copyright lawsuit - <AUTHOR> https://www.inputmag.com/culture/internet-archive-kills-its-free-digital-library-over-copyright-concerns <comment><USER2> While I think we do need better digital access to books, it was only a matter of time before something this extreme got killed.</comment>


Show HN: Simple and useful .gitignore file for Perl, PHP, or ColdFusion - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/ErikAugust/php-perl-coldfusion-gitignore <comment><USER2> Is this meant to be funny?</comment>


Mac OS X never really goes to sleep when plugged in - <AUTHOR>

If you leave your power cord plugged in, your Mac never really goes to sleep, it keeps talking on the network to gmail, dropbox etc...
It looks asleep, the light behind the apple goes off, but if you check network traffic on your router you'll find that it keeps chatting to all its friends.
Same thing if it is completely asleep and you plug it in, traffic picks up immediately. <comment><USER2> This isn't new. It's simply Power Nap [1]. You can turn it off in System Preferences -> Energy Saver.

[http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5394](http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5394)</comment>


Net Neutrality and the American Dream for Small Business - <AUTHOR> http://blakesblog.com/?p=266 <comment><USER2> I'm convinced GoDaddy has honestly changed their stance. At this point should we still be holding a grudge?

<comment><USER3> full disclosure: I now work at godaddy. and I'm not talking on behalf of the company.

from my perspective, it has. and I wouldn't work here if it hadn't changed.

almost all of the executive leadership is new since the unfathomable events of 3 years ago. the stories I have heard point to it only having been the position of 1 or 2 people, and didn't represent the views of the vast majority of the company.

what got me to come to godaddy is the real focus and excitement around the customer segment - helping small businesses get on the internet. that goal is orthogonal to anything but net neutrality. I'm really excited to see blake take a public stance on this.

<comment><USER4> "Orthagonal" doesn't mean "opposite to"; it more closely resembles "perpendicular" and in computing usually intends the idea of reaching a goal in discrete, composable steps rather than taking a direct--usually hacky-- shortcut.</comment></comment></comment>


How ThatHigh solved the chicken and egg problem and grew to 1 million pageviews - <AUTHOR> http://insight.io/blog/2011/02/how-thathigh-com-solved-the-chicken-and-egg-problem-and-grew-to-1-million-pageviews-a-month-with-no-seo/ <comment><USER2> This was a good article, all except for the last little bit:

 _Sometimes, driving traffic simply demands ingenuity, creativity, and hustle. Be more creative than your competitors, work harder than them, and test faster than them. Go where your competitors dare not because they are too complacent, too conventional, too risk-averse. There are literally thousands of diverse traffic sources out there…go explore them!_

Not trying to rag on the author, but the problem here, is that this is just a _platitude_. It can mean anything. Therefore it really means nothing. Until and unless specific examples are given, it's just saying that in order to be better you need to be better.

All-in-all, though, it was a great article. My takeaway was that sticky sites beat plain content sites, but only if you bust your ass getting people participating, and there are no hard and fast rules for that. Do whatever it takes. That's not necessarily a happy piece of information to have, but it's direct and useful.

<comment><AUTHOR> I agree.

But isn't it considered de rigeur to end a case study with a trite, meaningless yet upbeat platitude? You know, "Here's how this guy is successful, now go forth and be successful like him, because YOU CAN DO IT!"

In any case, I welcome any and all suggestions for an alternate ending.

<comment><USER2> I think it's probably a "designed" fault. (Hey, it's not a bug, it's a feature!)

The problem, like you say, is that you have to wrap it up at the end. This works as good as anything.

But for a novice, it can look as if the "wrapping up" part is where the real summary goes, and that's not true at all. In fact, by summarizing, you miss out on all the good stuff.

So perhaps you're stuck.

I'd like to see somebody talk to a dozen of these guys and ask them questions along the lines of "so, when you realized that you were going to have to be a sock puppet for the rest of your natural life, when and how did you finally figure out to do X?" The dry-erase marking, for example. Great idea. But why that and not door-hanging, or radio ads, or wearing a sandwich board on main street? Why did they choose those particular ad-hoc things that finally made a breakthrough?

I don't believe it's all random. Somebody had some hunches in there somewhere. There are a million random things you can do to try to drive traffic. Somehow some folks pick better things than others.

<comment><USER3> Your points are all valid.

I chose the white board markers because I wanted something that people would remember. Students especially are subjected to so much spam every day in their classes, dorms, lunchrooms, everywhere. The whiteboard idea was chosen because of its efficiency: maybe $5 for the markers plus a few hours of work, in exchange for people remembering what they've read? Worth it.

Someone even got pissed off. Any press is good press, when we're talking about a site like this. A student was really pissed (rightfully so, most likely) that we spammed his dorm. I'd probably be pissed too. But he remembered it, and everybody he told instantly went to the website to see what all the fuss was about.

I realize I'm just answering this one instance of the more general problem: we need resources for why people choose these things, not merely what they chose to do.

I think this is a really hard problem. Hunches are really difficult to pinpoint.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> The owner did a pretty interesting AMA over on reddit about a month ago.

[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ev2zb/i_run_thathighco...](http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ev2zb/i_run_thathighcom_and_it_pays_my_rent_in_san/)

</comment><comment><USER5> This is great info for people looking to do sites in the chicken/egg category.. I'm actually sitting here working on an idea that a friend and I will be launching by Monday that will face many of these same problems and it's awesome to hear from someone who has been successful facing the same problems we envisioned having.

</comment><comment><USER6> I am more curious to know how much traffic it takes for a site like this to become profitable ads? Anybody has any details?

ps: I guess quite a few of us have such "Oh that would be a fun site" ideas... I just don't know what traffic will make it worth the effort.

<comment><USER7> From my experience, 500,000 pageviews a month will turn a decent profit. Absolute minimum seems to be 100,000 a month, which is extremely easy to obtain these days.

<comment><USER8> How much can you make with 100,000?

<comment><USER9> My numbers from January: 159k pageviews (137k with ads, one per page at the bottom), $84 in Adsense.

<comment><USER10> Hrm, my January numbers: Page Impressions, 12900; AdSense, $340

<comment><USER9> Well, it's public how numbers vary so much. Mine's a niche music site so I don't think I should expect much more than what it's doing right now. I could easily improve the banners placement though, I just think it isn't worth it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> I am familiar with the site because I saw it on Reddit. When I saw the headline on HN, my initial thought was "Wow, those stoners actually figured out which came first, the chicken or the egg!"

</comment><comment><USER12> Very interesting. It's funny, I'm actually launching a site with the chicken/egg problem and I thought of some of the same ideas (fake users or at least having your friends create 2-3 accounts each and chalking up my campus quad). I'm glad to hear that these ideas have resulted in lots of hits. I will report back on my progress with chalking for those interested. I'm planning to hit the 3 major universities in my area and I think this could have major impact. We'll see!

</comment><comment><USER13> @endlessvoid94 - Good work solving the chicken/egg problem. I noticed you're a UIUC alum (couldn't help but make the connection between your mentionong of chalking the quad in the article and the actual THATHIGH.COM chalk I saw everywhere last year). I would love to hear your thoughts on entrepreneurship in CU and what prompted you to move out west. Just sent you a tweet.

</comment><comment><USER14> They talk about how SEO wasn't important for them, which makes sense, since very few of their target audience or current users are going to search for "funny stories of people getting high" or similar.

</comment><comment><USER15> That was a nice read, though I wonder if there are legal issues with mining the web for content. For reddit they were just submitting links, so they probably wouldn't have gotten into much trouble.

</comment><comment><USER16> Fake it till you make it. Seed your community with users and content, appear full of life. And they will come.

</comment><comment><USER17> I've read a similar article which was on the frontpage of HN not so long ago. And it was better. Why would you use ThatHigh as an example to illustrate this ? I think this site did poorly. And just looking at how much fan they have on their facebook can pretty much prove my point (I got like 95k fans on my page just by liking something with my facebook account. Never did anything else than that to promote my website)

<comment><AUTHOR> The traffic numbers are legit and not inflated, if that's what you're wondering about.

Honestly, I don't know that many people who have built a community site of similar traffic level that quickly, especially without doing any SEO.

If you can put me in touch with others who have accomplished something like this, I would love to write about them too.

<comment><USER18> _Honestly, I don't know that many people who have built a community site of similar traffic level that quickly_

Maybe I missed it, but did you mention the site's age anywhere in the article?</comment></comment></comment>


I Almost Dropped Out Of School - <AUTHOR> http://blog.seangransee.com/post/57089507068/i-almost-dropped-out-of-school

<comment><USER2> Let me speak to you as someone with some hindsight on this issue. I'm going to be 40 in November. I am in my final weeks of my final class of a Business Management track. On August 19th I will finish school. I started college in 1992. And it has been on-again off-again... for many years. Absolutely no regrets about not going straight through.

My only regret is the major I picked. If I had it to do all over again, I would have done Computer Science, and learned how to program.

Along the way, I had many opportunities like the one you're being presented with, to work in SF for that company. I took them. It has led to a successful career. I'm currently in Europe for my employer... third such trip.

Personally, I think you are making a __HUGE __mistake in not taking the offer from the company. MASSIVE.

A quote attributed to Mark Twain... "Don't let schooling interfere with your education." and I think he was SPOT ON.

Your greatest education isn't going to come from the halls of a school/university. It will come from getting your hands dirty (so to speak) in your vocation.

And with the right experience, which I'm guessing you'd get at this firm... a degree matters even less and less.

I think you should reconsider. Seriously.

In any case, it's your decision, and I wish you well. If you have any questions, and want to talk more... feel free to drop me a line. My user at G mail.

</comment><comment><USER3> Either other schools have terrible CS programs, or I'm in the minority of people who really enjoyed all my CS classes. I thought learning the ins and outs of how a computer worked was a big thrill. I always wanted to know how a bunch of transistors could turn into a complex processor. How networking worked. Most of my classes are still relevant to me today. Being able to understand data structure. The laws behind optimizing branching logic. Everything I took was either very helpful in becoming a well balanced programmer, or was so interesting that I didn't care if it was relevant or not. It worries me that there's a trend of people just wanting to know the basics of what they need to know to build apps, and not the fundamentals of computing.

</comment><comment><USER4> You should have dropped out.

<comment><USER5> That is debatable. And it think being able to see a project through the end is much more important

<comment><USER4> When the goal of that project is to get a great job, it doesn't make sense to turn your back on a great job to go back and finish your project and then go out again and try to get another great job. He always could have returned and finished out his last year if needed holding his head high knowing he took his shot at something awesome.

Anyone can apply and go to college, not everyone given a real opportunity to shine.

<comment><USER6> Not anyone can go to college and experience a college life -- generally people returning after years do not.

If someone has true ability/talent such that they're given an opportunity to shine, they'll be given opportunities to shine again.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Timdd.com - international time made easy - <AUTHOR> http://timdd.com

<comment><USER2> Is this yours?

My local timezone is GMT, which is correctly detected. I set a timer for 2200 CET tomorrow, which it equates to... 2200 GMT tomorrow.

Tomorrow is not spelled 02/10/2011 where I am. Use the word for the month, people will get confused otherwise.

Putting the timer in the title bar is a nice touch, very slick.</comment>


Listen to an FBI "Honeypot" on the Job - <AUTHOR> https://theintercept.com/2016/04/21/listen-to-an-fbi-honeypot-on-the-job/ <comment><USER2> That's really tame compared to the stuff I hear that goes on for these "honeypots". The depraved depths some of them go to to provoke violence to justify and develop a case is beyond absurd. It's not just brown skins.

They tend to target ethnicities, and non-whites a lot and feel they have more liberties in how far they can go to provoke a criminal act. On the tamer end, it's not uncommon to hear from an ethnic about how some "white girl" is trying to get them to commit some crime. Or playing the "damsel in distress" to provoke a violent retaliation. On the more extreme cases you will hear of an "instigation" meant to catalyze violence at their targets or between them. I'll just leave it at that.

A hint for the ethnics is... you see that "hot white girl" or "cool white dude" hanging out with ya'll? That's a narc.

</comment><comment><USER3> We cannot really think, as a society, that this is acceptable behavior for law enforcement and intelligence agencies to engage in. Get the kid in touch with a counselor or suicide prevention specialist.</comment>


I wish AirBnb was never born - <AUTHOR> http://pastebin.com/qddhGa60

<comment><USER2> One day Houston, built up on the petroleum industry, may have folks saying the same thing about Tesla.

San Francisco has built up an economy and ecosystem that has benefited from startups that "disrupt". Live by the sword ...

You've only lived in SF for 12 years - I'm sure it was a great place to be for you in 2002, just as it is now for the "bastards" and "pussies" you decry. It's a pretty damned big country. Plenty of opportunity and places to live. Move to the midwest, buy a house for half the price, and rock a $100,000 job the rest of your life. (which you must have if you hate H1B's making a lowly $85K)

</comment><comment><USER3> I don't think you're in a mental state to rationalize any discussions so I won't bother writing much at this point in time.

That being said, I feel your pain but you need to move on. It can't really be the same city it was 12 years ago so do you even enjoy what it has become?

Start looking for another job that will make you happier.

</comment><comment><USER4> I can't understand how any organization would want to let go somebody with such perfect grammar.

</comment><comment><USER5> "Plus, job market you know, fuck motherfucking H1Bs." ?

</comment><comment><USER6> lol</comment>


Get Functional with Underscore-Contrib - <AUTHOR> http://darrenknewton.com/2013/05/05/get-functional-with-underscore-contrib/

<comment><USER2> Great to see the contrib in action.</comment>