Moscow-Cuba flight skirts US airspace, prompts speculation Snowden is aboard - <AUTHOR> http://rt.com/news/snowden-plane-route-cuba-965/ <comment><USER2> We sent the following to the media this morning:

Hello from FlightAware.com,

We are receiving a large volume of calls about Aeroflot 150, en route from Moscow to Havana asking if the Southern routing across the Atlantic Ocean is typical and asking if this routing avoids US airspace.

Because of winds (which blow East), the flight generally takes a more Northern route, up over Iceland, through Canada, and down the Eastern seaboard. However, on days when the winds are light or unusual, it can be more favorable to take a more Southern route which also avoids the additional overflight fees from Canada and the US. The route being flown today is comparable distance to the Northern/Canada route, although it appears significantly more direct due to flat projections of a curved Earth. The flight duration today is about the same as the last couple weeks, which suggest they're taking this routing due to winds/overflight fees. The last two times we saw this flight take a similar route were June 20 and June 8.

On the route it's flying today, it will fly in US airspace; the US controls most of the Western half of the North Atlantic. To actually avoid US airspace, a flight from Moscow to Havana would likely have to fly South to (approximately) Western Sahara and then West, which would be about 30% further than either of the routings discussed above.

<comment><USER3> I'm confused about the distinction between air traffic controlled airspace and sovereign airspace. It seems that international law would only allow sovereignty over airspace within 12 nautical miles of the coastline. Can you comment?

<comment><USER2> the US provides ATC services for the western half of the mid-north atlantic, even if it's not our sovereign airspace.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> The flight does appear to be completely avoiding the US.

Previous flight on this route: [http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130708/1...](http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130708/1400Z/UUEE/MUHA)

Current flight: [http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130711/1...](http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130711/1005Z/UUEE/MUHA)

<comment><USER5> Maybe they're taking a shortcut to save kerosine? :) Interesting to see though, as I would expect for flights to Cuba always to avoid US airspace.

<comment><USER6> Great circles are the shortest route.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Circle](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Circle)

<comment><USER7> I'm sensing a great circle joke with s/kerosene/kero _sine_ /

<comment><USER8> Please don't drag the conversation off onto a tangent.

<comment><USER8> Ok, so admittedly that was a lesser circle joke.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> It turns out the change in path was because of the weather in the North Atlantic today: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/11...](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/11/turns- out-that-aeroflot-flight-to-havana-is-diverting-because-of-turbulence-over- greenland/)

Though if it hasn't landed yet, who knows, maybe he _is_ on board.

</comment><comment><USER10> Yeah but look at these flights:

[http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130707/2...](http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130707/2108Z/UUEE/MUHA)

[http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130702/2...](http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130702/2100Z/UUEE/MUHA)

[http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130701/2...](http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL150/history/20130701/2123Z/UUEE/MUHA)

All of those nearly miss US airspace. This flight just happens to miss it a bit more.

<comment><USER11> Between this and the crash at SFO - be interested to see how much Flightaware's traffic has spiked.

<comment><USER12> David from FlightAware here. The last few days have indeed been very hectic on the ops side.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Here's a Washington Post update : unusual turbulence over Greenland. :[http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/11...](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/11/snowden- watch-todays-moscow-havana-flight-taking-a-very-odd-detour-that-avoids-the- u-s/)

</comment><comment><USER14> It is absolutely amazing that we have this information (and the ability to graph it) at our fingertips.

</comment><comment><USER15> My guess is that it isn't anything special. It flew over France after all and France denied the Bolivian Presidential plane access to French airspace on suspicion that Snowden was aboard.

</comment><comment><USER16> Here's the great circle route on a map: [http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=svo- hav](http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=svo-hav)

</comment><comment> k-mcgrady The article mentions weather but can anyone explain in more detail why flights don't always take this (bypassing USA) route? It seems much more direct. My only guess is safety (nowhere to make an emergency landing for most of this shorter route).

<comment><USER17> The world is a sphere, the projections shown in the article don't reflect that. Russia is near the "top" of the world, so flying north is the quickest way to go south, on the opposite "side" of the planet.

<comment> k-mcgrady Good point, I never thought about that.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> [http://cryptome.org/](http://cryptome.org/)

<comment><USER18> Notice that the Cryptome URLs say "manning-flight" instead of "snowden- flight". Freudian slip?

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> Would love to watch the Soviet err I mean Russian reaction if the US tried to force the plane down in ATL or MIA.</comment>


SoftBank Value Fund goes full circle by investing $25B in Saudi - <AUTHOR> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-15/softbank-is-said-to-plan-up-to-25-billion-in-saudi-investments-ja146fd5 <comment><AUTHOR> This thing I don't understand - Softbank takes $45B from the country's sovereign fund and then turns around to invest $25B in the same country. Why?</comment>


Who Needs Git When You Got ZFS? - <AUTHOR> http://zef.me/6023/who-needs-git-when-you-got-zfs <comment><USER2> Maintaining versions of files is only one of the many things that GIT does. How in the world does ZFS handles collaboration, merging, branches and a thousand other things that are handled by GIT.

<comment><USER3> "Of course, I'm not seriously suggesting you'd ditch a "proper" version control system"

Looks like everybody agrees, except the headline writer.</comment></comment>


SpaceX's Dragon Capsule Safely Returns - <AUTHOR> http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/03/spacex-dragon-returns-officially-completing-a-second-iss-resupply-trip/

<comment><USER2> SpaceX amazes us with every launch. They have been innovating by using technology that is cheap but easy to scale. Google did that when they were young.</comment>


Half of all homeless people may have had traumatic brain injury - <AUTHOR> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/02/half-of-all-homeless-people-may-have-had-traumatic-brain-injury <comment><USER2> Studies among US death row inmates indicate that maybe more than half of them have TBI. One study found out that all who were convicted as underage had TBI. Usually from traffic accidents or beatings.</comment>


Freakonomics: How the recession has affected New York's street vendors - <AUTHOR> http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/vendor-power/

<comment><USER2> Where's the article? It says, "They're back with another (NSFW) video, "Vend Diagram," in which they question how the recession has affected New York's street vendors." But I don't see where they're back.</comment>


GDPR Band-Aid - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/@riantogo/gdpr-band-aid-b619d0b17e5b?source=linkShare-609d973fccf8-1527227185 <comment> lol-lol I am not really interested into mobile games but i really respect that you figured out that you dont need email address for your site to operate. So +1 from me.</comment>


Livestream of Marianas Trench Exploring ROV Okeanos Explorer - <AUTHOR> http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/media/exstream/exstream.html <comment><USER2> Going through what seems to be a random checklist :)

Then I imagine it takes quite a while for this to reach depth once it actually hits the water.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Looks like they're just about to get started on a dive. This is a fun livestream to watch.

<comment><AUTHOR> Whoops, looks like they start at ~4:30 EDT, so check on it in a little bit!</comment></comment>


Ask HN: I'm moving. What's the fastest way to sell all of my possessions? - <AUTHOR>

And obviously give away the stuff no one wants. <comment><USER2> Obviously the fastest way is not to have bought them in the first place.

Or that they're pure software, so you just need one hard drive or just cloud storage.

All the rest should fit a backpack.</comment>


Campaigns to save honeybees don't solve the serious problems with pollination - <AUTHOR> https://onezero.medium.com/bee-friendly-companies-are-getting-the-science-of-the-crisis-completely-wrong-c48055460337 <comment><USER2> Our monoculture practices have removed all the natural forage for native bees. They have nothing to eat amidst a sea of corn and soybean and thus they die. Additionally, we routinely over-spray with neonicotinoids, which cause the deaths of native and non-native bees alike. So now the only way to pollinate fun foods (apples, cherries, almonds, blueberries, etc) is with the european honeybee (apis mellifera), but we are running out of hives due to pesticide use, overworking, and parasites (we're down to 1.8M hives in the US from 5.4M 30 years ago).

If we could stop spraying with neonicotinoids and start planting natural forage (basically just regular weeds), we could undo this in just 10 years.

<comment><USER3> Can you connect this concern to the actual industry of pollination? Have pollination services become harder to procure, or dramatically more expensive, in the last 10 years?

<comment><USER2> Yes! The cost of pollination (the service that most commercial beekeepers in the US make the vast majority of their income from) has risen something like 200% over the last 30 years.

[https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/37059/49131_sp...](https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/37059/49131_special- article-september_-pollinator-service-market-4-.pdf?v=0)

<comment><USER3> I'm looking at your document and it shows no such increase over the last 10 years.

I'm less interested in the 30 year timespan, because other huge changes have occurred in that timespan, from shifts in agriculture to the collapse of honey bee populations due to the Varroa mite.

<comment><USER2> Here is some more recent data: [https://www.beeculture.com/2018-almond- pollination-market-ou...](https://www.beeculture.com/2018-almond-pollination- market-outlook-demand-supply-contracts/)

In 2017, the average price of pollination was $184.43/hive. That is up from $125/hive in 2011.

<comment><USER3> This is a great source, because it goes into detail about supply and demand factors that are influencing those numbers, including a historic drought, hurricanes, and changes in California regulations about importing bee colonies.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment> bjelkeman-again Key statement:

> The real problem is that populations of these native bees are declining due > to pesticide overuse, climate change, and rampant development that destroy > insect habitats.

Add agricultural mono culture. I am a beekeeper, and when people talk about saving the bees, then the above is more or less what I tell them.

<comment><USER3> Serious question: as a beekeeper, aren't you a part of this problem? The bees you're keeping are themselves an invasive monoculture that is outcompeting native pollinators, and puts demands on acres and acres of surrounding flora, which is a point this article makes.

<comment> bjelkeman-again We are also working with the community to increase the conditions for other pollinators. Beekeeping is very local, they only fly 3km. But it is true, we don't need more honey bees where we are so we have decreased the number of hives we have.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> > It's what scientists like Charlotte de Keyzer, a pollination ecologist and > doctoral candidate at the University of Toronto, are starting to call "bee- > washing." It's a take on the phrase "greenwashing," a deceptive marketing > technique advertising environmentally friendly products or services that > really aren't so friendly. Bee-washing, as de Keyzer defines it, is when "a > product, service, or organization is advertised as being more 'bee-friendly' > than it actually is."

This "x"-washing scenario is tricky. There is a lot of money to be made by overstating claims, and it is often encouraged in the early days of any movement.

What can realistically be done to prevent this (or at least mitigate damage)? What are the success stories where people became suitably educated or corporations suitably regulated?

</comment><comment><USER5> Iowa has conservation measures that leave up to 10% uncultivated, which is important for ground-dwelling bee species. A decade ago it was only 2%.

But a bee exposed to even very low levels of pesticides is doomed. Its hard for a bee on 10% of the land to avoid the chemicals on the 90% - they range so far.

Its a tough problem.

</comment><comment><USER6> Paul Stamets has a possible solution to help the bees.

[https://fungi.com/blogs/articles/bee-friendly-research- updat...](https://fungi.com/blogs/articles/bee-friendly-research-update-3)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_lqIUlON1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_lqIUlON1s)

[https://beemushroomed.com/](https://beemushroomed.com/)

To truly save bees (native and cultivated) we need more variety of crops in range of hives to provide longer periods of food availability. Commercial pollinators have "fixed" the monoculture blossom desert problem by trucking bees in to areas that have a crop that needs pollinating.

<comment><USER7> I really like Paul Stamets, but he suffers from classic hammer syndrome. If I told him I had a broken leg, he'd tell me about a fungi that mends bones.

That being said, skeptics on his fungal research for treatments of numerous diseases should remind themselves that penicillin comes from a fungus, and there's some very legitimate science around psilocybin based cures.

His thoughts on anti-viral fungi helping save bee populations seem very valid, but I'd like to see more peer reviewed research.

<comment><USER6> Isn't that what we are all expected to do? Apply our expertise and experience to the world to make it a better place. This man is obsessed with fungi. Can't blame him for trying to find novel uses for his obsession. But he isn't going to hand you a bag of mushrooms if there isn't data to back up the claim it will heal your bones.

He may suffer from hammer syndrome but he backs up his claims with experimental data. His bee research is fairly new. His research into human medicinal mushrooms has been reinforced by multiple studies around the world.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> [http://archive.is/iIrqR](http://archive.is/iIrqR)

</comment><comment> john-radio > Keep the story going. Sign up for an extra free read. You've completed your > member preview for this month, but when you sign up for a free Medium > account, you get one more story.

Why does anyone still use Medium?

<comment><USER8> [http://archive.is/iIrqR](http://archive.is/iIrqR)

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> The amount of prose with strike-through made this unreadable for me. Safari iOS

Update: Looking at Firefox on Desktop, everything underlined in the article looked like Strike-through on my phone. Weird.

<comment><USER10> For some reason, they've gone to considerable trouble to _avoid_ using CSS text-decoration to underline their links - which could be expected to work pretty well everywhere - and instead implemented custom "underlining" using an SVG background-image. I guess Safari on iOS doesn't position the background quite how they expected.

Designers: when you're tempted to do something like this, presumably because you think you know better than the browser precisely what an underline should look like... just don't.

<comment><USER11> I think they do that to avoid that thing were Chrome/Safari/etc do not draw the underline where the letters are: [https://thepracticaldev.s3.amazonaws.com/i/er57ioliwktkhzeq7...](https://thepracticaldev.s3.amazonaws.com/i/er57ioliwktkhzeq73x2.png) (they want it to look like Firefox does in this screenshot but on all browsers)

It's funny because, back when Safari had just launched this, designers went crazy with ways of emulating it for those who didn't have Safari. Now they do the opposite. Designers are a plague on earth.

<comment><USER12> As hideous as the Chrome and Safari examples look, that's not a decision a website should be making, or allowed to make.

> Designers are a plague on earth.

<comment><USER10> There's a CSS feature for that, actually:

        text-decoration-skip-ink: none;

Admittedly, not all browsers support it yet, but that's what websites should be using if they want to override the default behavior.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Pygame 1.9.0 released.  Lots of goodies for creative programmers. - <AUTHOR> http://renesd.blogspot.com/2009/08/pygame-190-released.html

<comment><AUTHOR> Summary of changes:

\- many, many fixes and improvements. The largest amount of changes has gone into this release than any other pygame release.

\- bug fixes for backwards compatibility issues introduced in pygame 1.8.x series. old games like solarwolf and libraries like PGU work again.

\- experimental camera webcam module (still in development).

\- experimental midi module based on portmidi and pyportmidi (99% complete).

\- experimental gfxdraw module based on SDL_gfx (including AA circles, textured polygons and other goodness).

\- python3, and python3.1 support mostly completed. Some modules still remain to be completed - but mostly it's working.

\- nokia mobile phone s60 support.

\- improved OSX support (dropped pyobjc dependency, improved installer, sysfont now works on OSX).

\- pygame.examples + pygame.tests included with pygame. This makes testing easier, and also makes learning pygame more fun and easy.

\- cleanup of examples, and addition of new examples.

\- new tools to aid in development of pygame itself, better compilation documentation.

\- py2app, and py2exe support improved.

</comment><comment><USER2> I used pygame a lot back in college and had a lot of fun doing it, but... hasn't someone on the project noticed the god awful website yet? That thing is embarrassing!

</comment><comment><USER3> They seem to have removed most of the reasons I didn't like it: PyObjC dependency, crappy OS X support, and py2app weirdness. I still prefer the design of pyglet (<http://www.pyglet.org/>), but this looks like a good release.

</comment><comment><USER4> Non blogspam link: <http://www.pygame.org/whatsnew.shtml>

</comment><comment><USER5> I use pygame every day, so I'm pretty excited about this new update. Great work, pygame team.</comment>


Tiny Core offers a complete Linux solution in 11MB - <AUTHOR> http://www.geek.com/articles/news/tiny-core-linux-offers-a-complete-linux-solution-in-11mb-2010107/

<comment><USER2> Strangely, while mentioning Damn Small Linux, geek.com doesn't mention that it's the same person, Robert Shingledecker, behind it and Tiny Core. Apparently, there's been some drama involved (<http://www.shingledecker.org/andrews.html>) and Shingledecker had to leave Damn Small Linux to stagnation, while Tiny Core is reincarnation of his ideas on a new level.

</comment><comment><USER3> What's the smallest conceivable reliable distro I can host Rails (or, better, JRuby/Rails) on? Getting it up and running on Tiny Core seems like a Project.

<comment><USER4> Is your time so lacking in value that you'll expend a substantial amount of time rolling and maintaining a custom distro of Linux that'll save maybe 50-150 megabytes of RAM? Are you in the web hosting business or something?

<comment><USER3> I have a Rails app I want to distribute as a VM to each member of my team. What's the best option that's just 50 megs bigger than Tiny Core?

<comment><USER4> I was speaking in RAM, not the disk-space of a VM. I didn't know the context of what you were looking for.

Is there some reason you can't accomplish this using RVM and a dev database? Any specific software that makes you think it isn't practical to do so?

Virtualization seems a little heavy duty given the options for sandboxing python and ruby apps these days.

Edit: You really really don't want to cope with the raw horror and pain of a minimalist kernel that doesn't provide any of the things you usually take for granted.

<comment><USER3> Everyone on our team carries a Macbook; I need "click this to start the app up" levels of simplicity, or nobody will use it.

I wasn't reading you carefully enough before; I don't care _at all_ about RAM size. I care how big the distro is to download.

<comment><USER4> >Everyone on our team carries a Macbook

I work on a macbook too.

> I need "click this to start the app up" levels of simplicity, or nobody will > use it.

Is that a political issue or have there been questionable hiring decisions by someone?

When I'm talking about gift-wrapping it with RVM, literally all they'll have to run is a well-made shell script to fire it up.

[http://macosx.com/forums/howto-faqs/41816-howto-open- termina...](http://macosx.com/forums/howto-faqs/41816-howto-open-terminal- shell-scripts-double-click.html)

Should do the trick, although you'll want to test it in Finder yourself.

I can't come up with anything easier than double-clicking on a shell script.

<comment><USER3> This ignores Ruby Dependency Hell, which is why I'd want to use VMs in the first place.

<comment><USER4> RVM exists specifically to solve ruby dependency hell. Have you ever made a sandboxed app with it before?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Tiny Core is also a nice small, and therefore fast to download, payload for a network-booted system with gPXE:

<http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/appnotes/tinycore></comment>


Android faces an improbable challenge - <AUTHOR> http://www.techinsider.io/stagefright-vulnerability-is-bad-news-for-android-2015-8

<comment><USER2> > After that, Stagefright essentially gives the attacker control over the > victim's Android device.

Taking into account that this is not true because it still have to bypass ASLR

> It also highlights the biggest problem with Android: Fragmentation.

2015 and still with this?

<comment><USER3> What's funny is that it can go exactly the other way with iOS: "Apple's latest vulnerability also highlights the biggest problem with iOS: It's a monoculture."

<comment><USER4> Difference is a strength if it is different enough. That is, if devices are so different that building an exploit for one means it will not work on another.

The problem they're trying to highlight here is that Androids may be similar enough for exploits to be widely applicable, while the absence of a centralized update channel that they control makes it hard to distribute fixes quickly. This arguably means that, in terms of security, they might be dealing with the drawbacks inherent in BOTH a monoculture and a diversified culture.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Apparently no one wants to discuss the security challenges facing Android users. Flagging articles will not make them go away.

<comment><USER6> StageFright has hit the front page of Hacker News many times, some of those articles had excellent conversation. This article does not add anything constructive to that conversation. It's pure flamebait.

<comment><USER5> I can't seem to find those excellent conversations.

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9986429](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9986429)

Edit: Here it is. It didn't have stagefight in the title.

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954686](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954686)

<comment><USER7> Here you go (10 days ago 122 comments):

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956471](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956471)</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Climber: From Hackathon to App Store Submission in Two Weeks - <AUTHOR> http://blog.alwaysallthetime.com/climber-from-hackathon-to-app-store-submission-in-two-weeks

<comment><USER2> Climber is one of the first apps that shows the true potential of App.net. This takes App.net from just a paid twitter, to a central service that provides functionality to other apps. If people trust App.net to hold your videos, photos, posts, and other content, people will be stoked to try your app as opposed to the latest Instagram competitor that makes no promises about your data.

</comment><comment><USER3> So the app has nothing to do with climbing at all; not even tangentially? Seems like a waste of a good name for a real climbing app.</comment>


Ask HN: Your thoughts on the proliferation of dynamic infographics this election - <AUTHOR>

It seems you can't be a major media outlet without several JS-based live-data infographics. I don't mind per se, but I was wondering if any of you had any insights on this. Where is this coming from, since when did this become a necessity? <comment><USER2> I think the proliferation is partly due to comfort with js and an increase in API availability. I also think that this may be a high water mark - in the future people will have apps on mobile or the desktop and select their own data sources, rather than the news outlets necessarily having the best options.</comment>


Is Barefoot-Style Running Best? New Studies Cast Doubt - <AUTHOR> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/05/is-barefoot-style-running-best-new-studies-cast-doubt/ <comment><USER2> I'm not an advocate of either style, but I can say that it is pretty hard to change your mechanical habits.

Very frequently when people stop and focus on how they stand, sit, or move (via martial arts, tai chi, qigong, whatever) they notice that they have built up certain habits which are not really helpful. Slouching, for example, feels relaxing but it's pretty taxing on your lower back... you just don't notice that until later on. Correcting these habits is a pain in the ass... even people who allocate many, many hours can take a long time (years) before they change their natural stance or form. Quick fixes like shoe inserts can even be counter productive as humans are pretty good at adjusting their previous habit to the new circumstance.

Because of this, I'm a bit skeptical that changing or removing your footwear 'forces' you to do something right. If you have bad form while running with supportive shoes, I'm pretty confident you'll be able to maintain that bad form while running shoeless.</comment>


Startups will crash out before cashing out - <AUTHOR> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/15/building_a_start_up/

<comment><USER2> He repeats a well known truth that majority of startups fail, even majority of restaurants or cafes opened close after 2 years. That s all true, however the whole spirit of startup entrepreneurs is to feel this adreline, and enjoy this adventure.

Finally 1 billion dollars is also fine, as long as you use your motivation to work hard and to innovate. Even if your startup fails, you will acquire skills which are reusable, in new startups or established -startups-.

<comment><AUTHOR> All good points. The article was probably written as a warning to those pursuing a business for the money rather than the 'spirit'.

"So if you are doing the startup game for money, and lots of it, you are in for a plate full of frustration."</comment></comment>


Ask HN: Favorite trait of your programming language/framework of choice? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> Language Integrated Query (LINQ) of C#

LINQ is actually enabled through a number of language features, but most importantly is perhaps the ability to "cast" an expression as an "expression tree" (an AST), allowing code to inspect the expression, extract, change, rebuild and finally compile. This is what enables a library such as Entity Framework to do accept in-language queries, extract clauses and generate efficient SQL where clauses, cross joins etc.

</comment><comment><USER3> C#

Supported by Microsoft leading to regular updates, and extensive documentation.</comment>


Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/16/trump-strategic-and-policy-forum-which-included-ibm-and-gm-ceos-disbands <comment><USER2> Matt Levine says it best:

"[..] but I have to confess that it seems odd to me to denounce Nazism out of fealty to shareholder value. You can just denounce Nazism because you're not a Nazi! This is a financial newsletter, but I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other considerations. Corporations exist in society, and are not above society's concerns. Businesses operate through human beings, who remain human even in their roles as CEOs. One would hope."

[https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-16/ceos- cons...](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-16/ceos-consultants- and-communists)

<comment><USER3> > I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self- > executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize > shareholder value to the exclusion of all other considerations.

But that is how it works, right? If you don't maximize shareholder value you can be ousted, if you don't where others do you will lose in the marketplace and cease to exist. Isn't that competitive ruthlessness exactly what people like about our current system?

> Corporations exist in society, and are not above society's concerns. > Businesses operate through human beings, who remain human even in their > roles as CEOs. One would hope.

Citation needed, I guess. For mid-small size companies this might be the case, but evidence seems to point to the opposite of this for any organization large enough to be its own thing outside of the humans and subsystems that comprise its pieces.

<comment><USER4> "Corporations are people." And it behooves them to be politically correct at all times.

<comment><USER5> Literal nazis are waking the streets in nation that leads the free world. Save us this "political correctness gone mad" BS.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Just yesterday:

> "For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to > take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!" > [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/89747827044214374...](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/897478270442143744)

How many had already quit and this was just to stop further embarrassing himself?

<comment><USER7> Twelve quit before it was disbanded. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Manufacturing_Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Manufacturing_Council) and sort by Membership status.

<comment><USER8> Might be worth noting that three of those twelve left because they left their jobs with their respective companies, and one in protest of a different matter in Juny. It looks like eight left in the past two days in protest of Charlottesville stuff.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Not exactly a vote of confidence in the administration's priorities in renegotiating NAFTA, which started like an hour ago.

<comment><USER10> It was already clear that nothing of substance is going to come out of the NAFTA talks, both because nobody in business or agriculture wants it ([http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/trump-win-nafta- tal...](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/trump-win-nafta- talks-241617)) and because nobody is impressed by Trump anymore: just like the rest of the world, Canada and Mexico have figured out that he's all bluster and folds like a cheap tent as soon as you say "No".

<comment><USER11> It was already clear that nothing of substance...was going to come out of this entire 4 year term... I think you meant to say..

<comment><USER12> Only if we're lucky. Repealing obamacare without a replacement came within a single vote.

<comment><USER13> With the uncertainty they have spread and the refusal to work on Obamacare problems they are on track of making it fail even without repealing.

<comment><USER14> The public exchanges may not have any affordable policies or even any policies at all available at some point.

The ACA is a lot more than just the public exchanges.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> > You can believe that broad common ownership of the means of production can > still foster competition, while also thinking that that common ownership > should be allocated by capitalist methods.

I don't understand how this would work - anyone more economically versed care to chime in on how you could have common ownership of the means of production that was also distributed capitalistically?

<comment><USER15> Pension funds do this already to a degree. Everyone pays in, the funds invest in all sorts of things, so everyone kinda owns bits of everything in a capitalist way.

Of course it's obfuscated enough that it's hard to know what you own a piece of, but it doesn't have to be that way.

</comment></comment><comment><USER16> The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

<comment><USER17> It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on board with explicitly calling out the white supremacists, but I think the reaction by the media is eye-rollingly inconsistent. They didn't hold anyone's feet to the fire when BLM killed cops, or antifa has previously escalated to violence. In short, this is fair criticism of Trump, but the scale of the response is kinda ridiculous. But also, I welcome the media to the club. Maybe we'll also get Islamic terrorists called out by their group identity too.

<comment><USER18> The flak that Trump is getting is not because he did not condemn white supremacist groups, it is because he said both groups are same. One was there preaching the idea of owning other people and violence, the second was there to ask for equality.

BLM and KKK may both be violent, but they are being violent for different reasons. You can condemn the violence without equating them. It is like saying Nelson Mandela and Pablo Escobar are same because they fought government and went to prison.

<comment><USER17> Both groups deserve equal protection under the law and should have the right to assemble. Any violence against either one is equally problematic. The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant.

<comment><USER18> >The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant

To you, but the president endorsing a group or legitimizing the cause of another is not irrelevant.

<comment><USER17> Again, it's completely fair criticism to call Trump out for not explicitly naming white supremacists or alt-right or whatever in his initial remarks. What I take issue with is that when it's left leaning groups committing similar acts of violence no one on the left and hardly anyone in the national media explicitly calls out Antifa or BLM as having murderers or violent acts carried out amongst its ranks.

Are we going to associate everyone with their political identity or not? It's unethical to do it only when it's a political identity you disagree with.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> The sad part is that business will go on but now the lobbyists will do the advising again.

<comment><USER19> Seems like these panels were in place more for their legitimizing optics than for genuine counsel.

</comment></comment><comment><USER20> So..... who else do you think the Republicans are going to nominate for president in 2020?

<comment> D-Coder Based on recent history, Martin Shkreli has good odds. :-)</comment></comment>


NIST proposes shutdown of WWV and WWVH time and frequency stations in FY19 - <AUTHOR> https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and <comment><USER2> That's horrible, this is an essential service.</comment>


Ask HN: Do you use database version control? - <AUTHOR> Do you use a database version control system ?
If you do;
Which product ? Why do you prefer it ? What are Pros/Cons ? How do you use it ? Do you run your ddl manually or let the tool do it ?
Thanks in advance. <comment><USER2> I STRONGLY advise you to keep your db changes tracked in version control along with your application changes.

From .NET land, the guys who wrote DbUp are a good example of a reasonably neat way of doing this. Check out their library.

I wrote a little tool for those of you who use ServiceStack, the approach is to spin up an application host that loads a list of db initialization and migration scripts to apply in sequence, scans your db for current version, and runs any scripts that have not yet been applied to your db.

This way, your db creation and migration is repeatable (I fire up all my test cases against a REAL db that i KNOW matches my production environment in structure), you can do various tricks to inject seed / test data along the way, you can get vastly greater comfort that your development and release will go smoother.

Its still unfortunately very light on readme documentation I just realised, but there is a test case which will demonstrate how a database can be created, and migrations, applied.

[https://github.com/daleholborow/iayos.core.db.deploy/tree/ma...](https://github.com/daleholborow/iayos.core.db.deploy/tree/master/src/iayos.core.db.deploy.Test)

</comment><comment><USER3> I've been dogfooding my own SQL Server Management Studio add-in, VersionSQL [0]

Priorities in its design and why I prefer to use it: It lives where I work, in SSMS. It's as close to zero-friction as possible, so I'm not getting slowed down or sitting around waiting on it when I could be working. It commits SQL code to a subfolder right alongside the application code in Git/SVN.

Cons: Skips some of the more complex features of other apps in the space, like building migration scripts for deployment or rollback of changes. Also, the add-in is maybe a bit _too_ zero-friction -- it's nice that it doesn't get in my way, but that makes it easy to neglect committing code altogether. Have a couple rough ideas about how to solve that one (suggestions welcome!)

[0] [https://www.versionsql.com/](https://www.versionsql.com/)

</comment><comment><USER4> Hi, in our team we're using Flyway.

The reason we use Flyway is that we are developing on the JVM so it has support for Java, Scala and Groovy (which we are currently using) and eventually also Kotlin.

I suggest to use a version control tool when you are in greenfield projects and your database schema and data might change a lot.

Additionally it offers an easy way to control and keep track on how the database evolves. Imagine having to run SQL statements directly on the production environment without a clear way of keeping track of the changes.

On top you will have consistent changes that you can roll-out across your dev, qa and prod environments in case you have that set-up.

As for how we run it, the migration scripts are part of the project and when we release a new version we apply the migration scripts automatically when the artefact bootstraps.

<comment><USER5> We use flyway for several projects. The version control is just what we were looking for plus the simple interface. [https://flywaydb.org/getstarted/](https://flywaydb.org/getstarted/)

</comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> thanks again for all answers. i guess we are going to use a more user friendly vcs. devart's forgedb or redgate's product. is here anyone who uses them ?</comment>


Thunderbolt 3 becomes USB4, royalty-free - <AUTHOR> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/03/thunderbolt-3-becomes-usb4-as-intels-interconnect-goes-royalty-free/ <comment><USER2> Is anybody else here still really confused by USB-IF's decisions recently? From what I can tell:

Formerly-USB_3.0 was "USB_3.1 Gen1" is now _USB 3.1_

Formerly-USB_3.1 was "USB_3.1 Gen2" is now _USB 3.2 Gen2_

The new thing, which is essentially a double-width now- _USB-3.2 Gen2_ bus, is _USB Gen2x2_ "

Mix this with a new connector, and we now have:

USB-type-C, _but it 's actually USB-2.0 in a Type-C connector_

USB-type-C Thunderbolt, which is USB-type-C plus Thunderbolt, which can then carry DisplayPort.

USB-type-C:

and probably a million different implementations of power over USB-type-C.

Dear Intel, please keep the Thunderbolt name and numbering scheme!

Thunderbolt (1) (Mini-DisplayPort connector)

Thunderbolt 2 (Mini-DisplayPort connector)

Thunderbolt 3 (uses USB-Type C)

Theirs is _so_ much better.

 _Edited more than once for formatting._

<comment><USER3> Disappointed, but not confused. The USB team has consistently screwed the pooch so it's not surprising when they do it again.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I've been using Thunderbolt 3 for years now (through Dell's TB16 dock station and XPS 9350) and have mixed feelings about it. It's definitely cool to connect only one wire and have everything plugged in but it leaves much to be desired in practice.

For example, currently the dock frequently disconnects and reconnects itself on OS start. I've reproduced it on Windows and on Linux. Another thing is that the connector is kind of brittle. I get it that now everything goes through it but sometimes touching it by accident (e.g. when putting a glass of water) disconnects everything once in a while. Sometimes the USB 3.0 part of the dock doesn't start. Requires powering the entire dock off and on again. Again, reproduced in Windows and Linux and over several iterations of the hardware (both the dock and my laptop). This is just a couple of issues I've got now, it was worse before.

What started as a nice idea doesn't work for me in practice and I'll be sure that my next computer will be just a regular PC keeping the setup boring and simple.

I'm wonder what are your experiences with Thunderbolt 3 in daily usage? (if possible please mention your setup).

<comment><USER5> Using Dell XPS 13 (9365) and Dell TB16 in Windows with three monitors. My experience is great except for months where USBs were not recognized and I couldn't use the dock because I couldn't use the keyboard and mouse. I assume the problem was fixed after some drivers/firmware updates. I continue to see some issues that I can tolerate.

I love the vision of the Thunderbolt technology because you can have a standard way to switch your notebook to a desktop mode using a single cable but at the same time it is clear that Windows and Windows based notebooks live in "no man's land", there is no good integration and nobody to blame about the hardware and software integration.

I imagine in the future you can have good eGPU support and may be additional processors.

<comment><USER4> Thanks for sharing your setup & experience!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I found the title a bit misleading. It suggests that USB4 might get a synonym for Thunderbolt 3. But it seems more like the technology will get incorporated to a certain extend into USB4.

As long as it hasn't been exactly specified what gets included, it is probably too soon to assume that USB4 will always be compatible with Thunderbolt3.

</comment><comment><USER7> HA! They followed my naming convention !! ( [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19258939](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19258939) )

Ok, that's probably just a coincidence...but still. :)

<comment><AUTHOR> The funny thing is that "USB4" doesn't have a space in the name while "USB 3.2", which they just rebranded everything else as last week, has a space. It has to be some kind of magnificent troll.

<comment><USER7> It's almost as if a secret RS-232 spy got onto the naming committee and is doing everything possible to derail the standard and bring back the parallel port.

<comment><USER8> But RS-232 is serial. Maybe the IEEE 1294 guy joined the committee?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Marco Arment is going to have a fit on this week's ATP.

</comment><comment><USER10> If only they could mandate the use of USB-C Connector with a certain level of quality assurance. Otherwise we might get another renaming.

USB 3.0 -> USB 3.1 Gen 1 -> USB 3.2 Gen 1 -> USB 4.0 Gen 1

And we might end up with USB Type A Cable that only support USB 4.0 Gen 1.

</comment><comment><USER11> So... USB4 will be hideously insecure by default?

<comment><USER12> Is Thunderbolt worse than USB??!

Edit: my god. It is just like a hot-pluggable PCI. DMA for everyone!

<comment><USER13> IIRC, Firewire had/has the same issue; DMA from whereever you please...this was known years ago, but I guess this is a hard problem to solve for high- bandwidth low-latency IO devices....</comment></comment></comment>


Why big-city barbecue is suddenly better than ever - <AUTHOR> http://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutguide/the-20-diner-takes-a-smoke-break-to-find-washingtons-best-barbecue/2015/05/21/085f35f8-fb42-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html <comment><USER3> Stories about the resurgence of cooking techniques that eschew modern technology have me wondering how much of the flavor and taste improvement is actually because of the technique itself.

> With gas-assisted smokers, pitmasters can load their machines with meat > (likely briskets and pork shoulders) at the end of service, add a few logs, > and sleep soundly without fear the fire will die during the night. This > high-tech approach typically eats up less wood and requires fewer employees > to watch over the smoker, two significant pluses in a competitive urban > marketplace where skilled pitmasters can be hard to find.

This aside makes me suspect that an equally significant contributor to better quality might simply be the increased human attention. If you've cooked with any degree of rigor, you have probably witnessed the variation in outcomes with the exact same technique. The way to reduce that variation and maintain quality is to pay close attention to the raw materials and adjust the cooking process continuously.

A way to test this hypothesis would be have the same number of people tending a gas-supplemented smoker as well as a traditional one and see how wide the delta is in the meat.

<comment><USER4> I seem to recall that burning propane generates a lot of water, which is detrimental to barbecue.

<comment><USER5> Well doesn't burning wood also generate water? In addition, doesn't seasoned firewood consist of 10-20% straight up water that boils when the log is burned? Propane doesn't contain water.

<comment><USER6> Water is one of the by-products of the combustion reaction, regardless of what fuel is used.

<comment><USER7> Not unless the fuel contains only carbon - as charcoal does.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Me! Someone from the WaPo's gonna talk to _me_ about BBQ! Moi? Gee, the WaPo wrote an article, did some research, maybe ate some samples for a day, a week, maybe a month. Gee, a month.

Me? I grew up in, one word -- WaPo sit down for this one -- Memphis. That's right, the King of chopped, picnic pork shoulder BBQ from a smoky pit, of iron plates, etc., right, from the town that gave the world the King (aka, Elvis).

Ribs? They were only for the tourists. Beef? Never happened, not in Memphis -- that's a Texas thing.

A month? I left Memphis after I graduated from college -- we're talking age 5-22 eating chopped, picnic pork shoulder BBQ, with sauce, coleslaw, on a soft white bread bun, 1-4 times a week for nearly all those years. In the later years, often with a beer or two. And the better places had some BBQ beans -- they were really good, and never had anything close ever again. And commonly with desert of chocolate ice box pie -- a dark, chocolate custard pie with nice whipped cream on top, pretty good.

Memphis was wall to wall with BBQ joints, all very similar in technique and quality.

But, my brother moved to Knoxpatch (Knoxville), and they do a good version of Memphis BBQ. They also do Carolina BBQ, and it's significantly different -- e.g., it's cooked to a somewhat higher temperature and 'pulled' while Memphis BBQ is chopped into chunks. The Carolina sauce has more vinegar and less of whatever else the Memphis BBQ sauce had.

And the WaPo's gonna tell me what's "better" BBQ? I don't think so!

I also spent the early part of my career around DC, i.e., WaPo land. Got some good grape juice from between Macon and Dijon, some more from Tuscany, a lot of semi-soft cheese, a lot of good French food, some terrific high end Italian food, a lot of US East Coast seafood, and a lot of red-white table cloth red- sauce Italian food. A lot of DC area food. BBQ? Never!

Memphis BBQ -- it was good stuff, was unique, likely still is. WaPo: Tough to tell me about "better" BBQ with just words. Instead need the BBQ!

<comment><USER9> I hope it doesn't make you upset, but I went to one of the places mentioned in the article this afternoon and had a great time there, with really good food.

I have never been to Memphis.

<comment><USER8> Right away I can think of three reasons you thought that you had "really good food":

(1) You've never been to Memphis!

(2) BBQ is so good that even done poorly, it's darned good.

(3) Actually (secret, don't tell the others) BBQ, at least the Memphis kind that I know, is not very difficult to do well!

Why is it so good? Well, it's warm, soft, and moist ( _succulent_ ) and is big on salt, black and/or hot red pepper, sweet, sour, fat, smoke, and the Malliard reaction. So, it hits really hard on nearly all the _elements_ as in:

Gray Kunz and Peter Kaminsky, 'The Elements of Taste'.

For the _secret_ , one of the pillars has been explained by some _food chemistry_ \-- keep the proteins in the meat fibers below 185 F. Do most of the cooking with the meat at about 160 F for melting the collagen. Then you do have _food safety_.

Overheat the meat fibers with the proteins, and they will shrink, get rid of their water, and become not good.

The long cooking times at relatively low temperatures are to _melt_ the collagen without overheating and, thus, ruining the proteins. Supposedly the proteins are always tender; only the collagen is tough. So, melt out the collagen without ruining the proteins. The melted collagen helps make the meat moist and _succulent_.

I don't know about beef brisket BBQ -- it's a Texas thing. I was in Texas only once, did have some of their beef BBQ, and it was good. But I don't know how they do it. On that trip to Texas, the story went that some early immigrants were German butchers, and they worked out how to BBQ brisket, no doubt, as a way to have people able to like that cut of meat.

For ribs, which I also don't know about, maybe the smoke plays a really important role, e.g., for a _smoke ring_.

But for Memphis BBQ, picnic pork shoulder, I long suspected that all the smoke was mostly just advertising _smoke_ to attract downwind customers and, really, not very important to the final meat as served. One reason is that about half the shoulder was still covered by the skin. Another reason was that for the rest of the meat, the ratio of surface area exposed to the smoke to meat volume was relatively small.

Another big secret (definitely don't tell anyone this one!): Actually, get a good oven thermometer and carefully adjust your oven to hold about 220 F. Not much higher than 220 F and maybe a little lower (don't want the meat to get over 185 F).

Get a roasting pan and a roasting rack. Put a picnic pork shoulder, say, skin side down, on the rack, with a dry rub on the exposed meat surface if you want, although I doubt that it will contribute to the final product as served, place it in the oven with a meat thermometer deep in the meat but not next to a bone (that might give a misleading reading).

Cook to an internal temperature of 185 F, maybe a little less, not much more, for maybe 16 hours.

Will get a lot of fat and melted collagen in the bottom of the roasting pan.

Place on a cutting board, remove the skin, remove the meat from the bones (the arm bone and the shoulder joint), remove as much fat as you wish, and coarsely chop the rest.

Add favorite red BBQ sauce, likely one with smoke flavor.

Place, likely with some salt and hot sauce, on a white bread bun and top with a simple white coleslaw.

It's good.

Refrigerate what's left; it reheats well in a microwave oven.

For the coleslaw, my quick guess at what Memphis has been doing is to take a head of ordinary _green_ cabbage, quarter it by cutting through the root, and cut out the solid, stiff stem parts. Thinly slice the rest. Add ordinary Ranch dressing and mix. Done.

Last time I bought about 9 pounds of cabbage and used 127 ounces of shredded cabbage and 13.2 cups of dressing. Might cut that back to, say, 12 cups. Got eight quarts.

No doubt Memphis was not using Ranch dressing, but with my guess the results are not too far off. I got the Ranch dressing idea from the back of a package of shredded cabbage for coleslaw.

So, here I've described hated _ersatz_ _oven-Q_. It's also surprisingly good.

For doing BBQ, picnic pork shoulder is forgiving, from all I've seen much easier than beef or chicken. Should get good results if even roughly follow what I outlined. Even with pork, the shoulder is likely much more forgiving than ribs.

I have no desire to return to Memphis!

If my business does well and I retire, I want to go to, say, New Hampshire, enjoy challenging the winters with a 4 wheel drive car with a lot of road clearance and big, aggressive snow tires, attend operas, concerts, and lectures on mathematical physics in Boston, feast on New England seafood and maybe French, Italian, German, and Chinese food, and, maybe, sometimes BBQ a pork shoulder!

Memphis? Naw.

For the business, as of yesterday, I got all the planned software running. That was a good day. I have a few revisions in mind and then on to my critical review, alpha and beta test, version 1.0, and going live!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> for what it worth - we had investors coming, and ordered bbq from franklin. brisket was just like any other brisket from numerous trailers in austin. sausage actually made several people sick next day...

looking at what going on with food in austin, i certainly can say, it is not that much about flavour (it was good, but nothing really special,) but rather hype and ability to spin up hype quickly.

</comment><comment><USER11> a man cooks food in one place. a man in another place also cooks food using a similar technique. both men cook food well. both of the men care about being better than the other. an article is written.

<comment><USER12> I can't quite put my finger on why, but I find this down-voted comment to be quite amusing.

I mean, sure, it's content-free, but much like the article, it's content-free in a way that I find entertaining; it doesn't at all leave me with the unpleasant feelings I get after reading a puff-piece about money or business and then reading some trite truism in the comments.

why is that? is it that while I do enjoy BBQ, I don't read about it much, so it seems fresh when writing of the same quality about money or business would seem stale?

<comment><USER13> It's because BBQ is a cult, if they applied the same blind testing to BBQ as they've done with wine and wine "experts" in some cases the illusion would be burst.

You can "low and slow" ribs in a smoker for 12 hours and get a beautiful outcome, or you can do them in a regular oven or even better a pressure cooker and finish in a BBQ or smoker and get the same result. You may be able to produce a superior result in a "legit" setup, but how do you deliver the consistency of that at a reasonable price with unpredictable demand? You can't.

<comment><USER14> > if they applied the same blind testing to BBQ

They do, that's how the major BBQ competitions are judged.

They even have techniques to prevent bias or judges recognizing the source of the meat (overlapping panels, hundreds of entrants, randomized category assignment).

When I was a judge, you'd get a lot of 7 and 8s. Those were competition ready samples, definitely great BBQ. But there was a power curve. One or two entrants would hit a 9 or 10, and they were obvious to every judge at the table.

The crews that win are usually strong contenders several years in a row. Luck's going to have a role, like with anything, but the real contenders are there for a reason.

<comment><USER12> See, an article about how BBQ competitions are judged... that would be pretty interesting.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> I was going to share the best bbq in SF here, but decided not to. The really good stuff in cities, those who know about it, we keep it a secret.

Edit: what I meant by this comment was to emphasize a key distinction between country bbq and city bbq that was neglected by the article: country bbq is by definition distant from the large bbq-loving population. So there may be equally good city bbq joints, but there are a number of (individual) parties in whose interest it is to keep them secret.

<comment><USER16> There's something to this... Good BBQ tends to be very time- and labor- intensive. Once a place gets popular enough, something has to give - <USER2> joints can't so easily just build another pit and drop a few more picnic tables out in the parking lot. So whether the price goes up or standards slide, some of the fans will go looking for a new source.

Do this a few times and you maybe start to get wise to the idea that raving about your new hangout isn't very smart if you want to continue going there on a regular basis.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> If anyone knows of some good pulled pork in NYC let me know! You can get some pretty good Texas brisket, but the vinegar style Carolina BBQ has been a bit disappointing. I've done Fette Sau, Dinosaur, Mables, BrisketTown, Hill Country, and some joint in Astoria.

<comment><USER18> Closest i've found was mighty quinn's. Alchemy, tx (somewhere in queens), blue smoke, and pride and joy. My bigger issue is finding a traditional NC type place that's up to par. Most of the NC style places are NC-ish plus either texas or KC or some such (hyrbid if you will). Good luck:)

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> ....and now i'm hungry.</comment>


HTML-based weather app - <AUTHOR> http://pattern.dk/sun <comment><USER2> ✓ Claims to be an HTML5 app

✓ Requires iOS for no apparent reason

✓ You must install to homescreen first, even if you are on iOS

What does this do and why did you make the above decisions?

 _EDIT:_ To get around this, open up your JS console, put a breakpoint on line 509 inside sunny.js and set `window.navigator.standalone = true;`. Things should be fine from that point on if you have "emulate touch events" turned on.

<comment><AUTHOR> If you would use Phonegap and put it up on the App Store, nobody would complain having to "install" it.

I can't talk for the creator, but I guess this app is meant to be stand-alone, launched straight from the homescreen (without address bar) and not as a regular website that you have bookmarked.

<comment><USER3> I've been using phonegap for a while... and that is honestly so easy to do it's not even funny.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> It's HTML 5 but requires iOS? Why. I spoofed the user agent in Chrome and it wants me to add it to my iOS home screen before I can try it out. Why not just show me the app when I go to the page? And if I want to add it to my home screen, I will.

</comment><comment><USER5> For the love of God, if this is HTML then why is it only working on iOS devices? Is the iPhone/iPad the new Internet Explorer?

<comment><USER6> If this is HTML, then why not take the source and make a cross-browser version? I guess I don't see the harm in just making an HTML iPhone app.

Personally, for instance, I wouldn't be happy if I shipped something as "cross-browser" that looked just awful in most browsers no matter what I tried.

<comment><USER7> >If this is HTML, then why not take the source and make a cross-browser version?

Given that there's no apparent license agreement, this would presumably be copyright infringement.

<comment><USER6> True. Well, it just seems ungrateful. It's an iPhone app, built with HTML5. They've built something really nice, for free, and yet people feel entitled to more.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Great design but not sure why this needs to be iOS only and why it needs to be installed to the homescreen.

I still don't think it's better than a native app because it took 30 seconds to actually show anything from a black screen and then a minute or so to load the data on stable fast WiFi (bet it'd be worse over 3G).

A native app has UI code and fancy animations on board and if this was an initial impression of something I wasn't really interested in observing, i'd uninstall it straight away. Granted it does load faster on subsequent launches (caching maybe?) but it's the initial launch which matters to me.

<comment><USER9> Is the initial launch not simply comparable to downloading a native app from the app-store?

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> Beautiful and the nav is impressively slick. Shame the desktop landing page (though pretty) doesn't show off just how nice the rest of the UI is when visited from iOS. (There are a few pics on the author's Dribbble for the curious [1]).

Would love to read a good illustrated blog post on the making of this. It'd be interesting to know what frameworks (if any) were used.

[1] <http://dribbble.com/jalifax>

</comment><comment><USER10> Not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at. I don't suppose that a nice picture of an iPhone == weather app.

<http://www.imgur.com/djVjc.png>

<comment><USER5> What app you use to make screenshots with?

<comment><USER11> Since that's Android 4, he's probably using the built-in screenshot function. Just hold down the Volume Down and Power buttons at the same time. You can then access the screenshot from the resulting notification or in the Gallery. More info: [http://www.howtogeek.com/121133/how-to-take-screenshots- on-a...](http://www.howtogeek.com/121133/how-to-take-screenshots-on-android- devices-since-4.0/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> The design is beautiful!

This would make a great native app - Which I only say because HTML5 on iOS seems a bit choppy for such nice animations.

It's unfortunate to find such snark for something which I'll bet took a lot of effort to do. It makes sense for an HTML app to be friendly to all devices, and probably that is something to aim for.

Obviously has room for improvement, but I think we (myself included) can all do better at delivering feedback.

<comment><USER13> Yeah totally. I think he did a fantastic job. All of the transitions and functionality and design is gorgeous. Agreed, it was a little confusing with the home screen issue in the beginning, but I totally get why he did it, and after a few seconds everything was working like it should.

Really great work.

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> This is a nice example of how html5 has come a long way. Thanks for sharing.

I did come across one bug, however. After changing the color scheme, Sun reloads, flashes "changing colors...", and then hangs on the loading indicator.

</comment><comment><USER15> Looks lovely. Really swish animation. Brilliant showcase of HTML5 based apps. Shame it locked my entire phone up!?

<comment><USER16> Totally agree on all accounts. My phone locked as well.

<comment><USER17> Oh wow, it locked my iPhone (4S) too just now. Home and Sleep/Wake buttons stopped working and I have to force reboot the whole thing. The first time I add it to the homescreen, the page sort of borks. Second time I launch it, everything works but that's when the phone locks itself :(

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Slick presentation, but simply takes too long to display data and seems buggy - caused my phone to freeze.

</comment><comment><USER19> "Sun is a web app designed for the iPhone and iPad." - why bother make it a "web" app then? Waste of time.

<comment><USER20> perhaps b/c it's much faster to make it in html5 than in Obj-C?

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> installed it on my phone, but i just see a spinning wheel and a pink background... the 3d effect when flipping to the other locations looks nice, but perhaps the location api times out or there's a service call that's timing out because it looks to be frozen, for my location.

</comment><comment><USER22> Ever since the iPhone weather app, I get really annoyed when weather apps display the weather to be 'sunny' at night.

Its not sunny.

PS: Yes, its not a huge deal. If there was a 'feature' list, it wouldn't be listed. But trying to tell me San Diego will be 'sunny' at midnight is just wrong. </rant>

</comment><comment><USER23> Wonderful! I love these beautiful minimalist UX experiments. Especially when using open technology such as HTML5. Any info on how you built all the really nifty animations? Used any tool to get it just right?

</comment><comment><USER24> The most amazing feature of this, that I have seen NONE other app do, is the changing icon.

Install the app, and change the colors. Then, close the app. Its _icon's_ colors have changed to reflect the color theme change.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Don't forget to pinch out (kinda hard to discover), once you're on a location and you get a details view like this <http://drbl.in/glDK>

</comment><comment><USER25> I installed it and all I see is a pink screen with my location and temp. Completely boring "app" google weather is far superior (in HTML and works on more than just my iPad)

<comment><USER26> Pinch and swipe, as it says.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> There is not a single good comment about this, yet it is on front-page. WhyHN?

</comment><comment><USER28> An honest question. Is there any technical reason this is limited to iOS?

</comment><comment><USER29> Great design, but a few things could be improved:

\- no preview on desktop

\- landscape mode is broken

\- no client-side caching

</comment><comment><USER30> I shared this long time ago: <http://blog.linz.im/2012/webapp-sun.html>

</comment><comment><USER31> This is great!

</comment><comment><USER32> Shit, it's 3° in Redmond? I better stay inside.

<comment><USER20> It defaults to Celsius, so you'll have to change it to Fahrenheit.</comment></comment>