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FRIDAY, February 1, 1861.Mr. 8TOTSENBERG entered his motion to reconsider the vote indefinitely postponing the bill to amend section 476 of the practice act; and he entered another motion to reconsider Mr. Cason's bill [35] to amend the 288th section of the practice act so as to admit parties in civil actions to testify in their own behalf.
The SPEAKER suggested 11 o'clock as the proper time for the orders of the day to be taken up and referred to the necessity of such a fixed rule, in the large number of bills before the House which could not be acted on without it.
Mr. NEBEKER presented the petition of sundry Republicans of Jeffersonville, with reference to State Prison affairs, and the necessity of revising the militia law; which was ordered to the Committee of Thirteen.
On motion of Mr. ROBERTS, the petition of A. J. Cotton, presented by him yesterday, was taken from the table and referred to the Committee on Education.
By Mr. VEATCH, returning the resolution inquiring whether a law making a specified period to entitle a cttizen to a vote would be constitutional, and reporting the opinion that any such act would be unconstitutional; but that a law might be enacted declaring what shall be deemed evidence of residence, in the case of transient, persons having no fixed resdence.
He also returned the resolution inquiring into the expediency of a law requiring a residence of 60 days in the county, and not page: 152[View Page 152] less than 30 days in the township in which a man may offer to vote, and reported, that the 2d section of the 2d article of the Constitution fixes the qualifications of a voter, and the Legislature has no right to fix the residence. A residence in the township is all the Constitution requires, and a residence of one day is as valid as a residence of a year. But the Committee would state, that in the case of transient persons a law may be enacted as to what shall be deemed and taken as a residence, and that the object sought in the resolution may to a great extent be obtained in that way.
Mr. EDSON, returning Mr. Wood's bill [71] to amend the 14th section of the Misdemeanor act-[merely changing the penalty for destroying timber, so as to make it discretionary with the Court. The law now fixes it at five times the value of the timber]-with a favorable recommendation.
The bill was ordered to be engrossed, and these several reports were concurred in.
Mr. GROVER (by unanimous consent) submitted an order that the Committee on Education be authorized to employ a clerk for such time as they may need the same. He said the clerk was to serve the joint committee. And as they were now engaged in a revision of the school law, he invited gentlemen having suggestions to present them.
Mr. STOTSENBERG, from the Committee on Organization of Courts of Justice, returned the bill to repeal the act for the return of juries to the Common Pleas Court at the third day of the term, approved March 5, 1859, and reported that the present law provides a proper, sufficient and economical method for summoning juries; that it would not be expedient to legislate on the subject at this time ; and that the bill be laid on the table.
The report was concurred in.
Mr. MOODY, from the Committee on Swamp Lands, returned the petition of John I. Morrison, S. W. Holmes, and others, asking for an appropriation to pay for removing a mill dam on the Muscatatack river, and reported that there does not appear sufficient reason in said petitions to warrant the appropriation.
Mr. HEFFREN hoped the report would be laid on the table till these petitioners could be heard.
Mr. MOODY supposed the money asked for belonged to that county. If there was merit in their application, he was willing to hear them.
The report was laid on the table.
Mr. JENKINSON made an ineffectual application for leave for the Committee on the Northern States Prison Investigation to sit during the session of the House.
On the motion of Mr. COLLINS, of Whitley, (by unanimous consent,) his bill [152] to change the terms of the Common Pleas Courts in the counties of Lagrange, Steuben, De Kalb, Noble and Whitley, was considered on the 2d reading, and ordered to be engrossed.
Mr. ANDERSON, (by consent,) introduced bill [152] to amend the 107th section of the amended school act of March 5, 1859, so as to regulate the choice of teachers: which passed to the second reading.
On motion by Mr. ORR, (by consent,) tlio bill [S. 74] to change the times of the Common Pleas in the 7th Judicial Circuit, in the counties of Hancock, Hamilton, Tipton, &c., was considered, and (under a dispensatton) passed the first and secoad readings,and was referred to a select committee, to be composed of one member from each county in the Circuit.
Mr. McLEAN asked and obtained leave to have the following spread on the Journal:
Mr. Speaker:
The undersigned, one of the members of the Committee of Thirteen, who submitted the minority Report of said committee to this House, desires to enter his dissent from so much of said minority report as reflects upon the ministers of the gospel. The undersigned would say that although the allusions contained in the said report reflecting upon the ministry may be lamentably true to a certain extent, yet he must regard the said charges as entirely too general, wholesale and sweeping in their character, in bad taste, foreign to the real object which should have been kept in view by the report, and not calculated to allay the bad feeling unfortunately existing among our people. The undersigned would say that the principal features and great body of the said minority Report meet his hearty and cordial approbation, but he cannot endorse the offensive allegations above referred to. The undersigned regards it due to himself to state that the said minority Report was presented to him for his signature at his desk in the House only a few minutes before the hour for which it was made the special order, not affording him either time or opportunity to examine the same. The undersigned cannot concur in the said minority report, unless the said offensive charges are stricken from the same, and would recommend the House that the same should be stricken out.
WM. E. McLEAN
Mr. McLEAN. was probably due to himself to state that his name was affixed to the report before he had time to consider that part to which he now excepted.
The House now resumed the consideration of the reports of the Committee of Thirteen.
The SPEAKER stated that the order of yesterday to restrict debate applied only to the consideration of that part of the report which refers to the appointment of Commissioners to the Washington Convention.
Mr. FRASIER. He had listened to the speech of the gentleman from Floyd, more in. sorrow than in anger. Was sorry to hear such sentiments on this floor. But the sentiments uttered by that gentleman were as harmless as the cooing of a dove, when compared with the treason, rank and foul, which breathes throughout this minority report. He was glad his honorable friend from Vigo had dissented from it. He was glad to learn under what circumstances his name was attached to that report. But he was sorry to see attached to that report the name of a gentleman, who a few days back had introduced a resolution to the effect, that the State of Indiana was ready to back up the General Government in any attempt to put down the treason of the south. When he page: 153[View Page 153]chargeded that the spirit of treason breathes through that report, he spoke what he knew. "When the language of the Declaration of Independence comes to be prostituted to the purpose of justifying a band of rebels and traitors, marshalled under their rattle snake ensign, it did seem to him that it must cause the very bones of our patriot fathers to rattle in their graves. What does this report say? It assumes that these men are justly, and rightfully and properly defending their rights, and tins minority of the committee more than intimate where they will be found in the conflict. Would it be in defence of the Constitution? No sir; they tell us that they are ready to shoulder the musket and assist rebellion and treason-assist to overthrow the best Government ever constituted on earth. And yet they denounce us as traitors to the country, because we see lit to stand up and boldly advocate our principles for the defense of the constitution and the enforcement of the laws, which are saered and next in our hearts, to the book of God. But this portion of the committee had invited investigation into the causes which have brought about this state of affairs He agreed with Mr. Stotsenberg that it was useless to inquire after the causes which have brought the country to the present crisis. But gentlemen have invited investigation, and we have heard it charged not only on the streets, but on the authority of leading newspapers repeating the sentiment of the late Goverdor Hammond, that it has been the work of demagogues and hypocritical ministers of the gospel.
He proceeded at length to examine the record of the past ten or twelve years, and to throw back the charge of responsibility for the Federal difficulties upon the Democratic party, and to convict them of various inconsistencies on the slavery issue; closing with strictures on the plans of adjustment and remedy for national difficulties proposed by them.
He referred to the Convention of the Democratic party in. 1849, in this State. Leading members of it were the late Gov. Willard, Attorney General McDonald and their late candidate for Governor. No man raised his voice in that Convention against the doctrines set forth in its platform. There is nothing in it recognizing the State rights about which they talk so much at this time.
He then read the platform, condemning the introduction of slavery in the territories. He also referred to the Joint Resolutions in the General Assembly at the ensuing session. In Ohio, the Democratic party assumed bolder ground and determined to eradicate slavery. Yet this party by its press and by its speakers have represented to the South, that it was the object of the Republican party to destroy slavery in the States where it now exists. When a United States Senator was to be elected, at that time, it was deemed necessary to learn the opinions of the leading men of their party and receive pledges of hostility to the extension of slavery, even to its abolishment in the District of Columbia. These facts are well known to all. Yet some of these rnen, thus pledged, cannot now take part in the raising of the flag of the country, but make it an occasion of especial denunciation of the very opinions they then so zealously advocated. He then read the correspondence with Mr. Fitch, in which he pledges himself to hostility to slavery, where it had long been existing.
Was it constitutional, then, to prohibit slavery from the Territories? Was it not extraordinary that no one of its ablest men then discovered, what all of the party now see so clearly, the unconstutionality of prohibiting slavery from the Territories?
He challenged any one of them to show that the Republican party, in any particular, went beyond these Democratic pledges and opinions of 1849. He then showed that by the decisions of the United States Courts in the slave States themselves, slavery was declared not to exist beyond the States under whose authority it existed. All these decisions, made during a long period of time, were in direct conflict with the principles of the Dred Scott decision.
The change of the party, so complete in its inconsistency, has been caused by its attempt to uphold a rotten and corrupt dynasty, which the people had so justly hurled from power. Even in last June the Democratic party refused to assume the position that is now taken in defense of those who are banded together in avowed rebellion against their Government. They did this, well knowing that the North would utterly repudiate the then demands of the South.
Some of the party admit that the Government has a right to enforce its laws by arms, but they should read the minority report, which now takes the position that a State has a right to secede whenever it chooses. He never would consent to the adoption of the Crittenden amendment, because it takes the opposite of that position assumed by the great Henry Clay, when he declared that no earthly power could force him to extend slavery where it does not now exist. Yet now, in open rebellion against the Government, in violation of the Constitution itself, in resistance to the law, with arms in their hands which they have stolen, there is a portion of the country demanding what Henry Clay thus declared no human power could force him to consent to. And now, in this minority report, men thus in open rebellion are sustained, and the State is menaced with the threat, that if any attempt is made to enforce the laws and defend the General Government, a power will arise in our own State, to withstand, by force of arms, such attempt.
He then referred to the evils of slavery as evidenced by the progress of the slave and free States, and maintained that the result was occasioned by this institution, and in the nature of things no prosperity could be expected where labor was based on the denial of the rights that belonged to a man.
page: 154[View Page 154]Mr. HEFFREN here desired to know whether a negro was a man.
Mr. FRASIER. He would reply to that by asking: whether Mr. Heffren thought he was not a man?
Mr. HEFFREN said he was not.
Mr. FRASIER. He is a man, although not enjoying the political rights which we do; just as our wives and daughters are women, although they are denied the right to vote, and are subjected to other legal disabilities. The negro had a right, no matter what his position by local legislation, to the product of his labor. It is a right that belongs to every human being, and this right is recognized by our State Constitution, the production of a Convention largely Democratic.
He maintained that if the Democratic party had stood up in support of the principles it advocated in times past, the present difficulties never would have existed, but to hold on to their political ascendancy they renounced every one of their principles, descending so low in their subserviency as here to maintain that a negro is not a man, and that he had no lights as a human being that can distinguish him from property, and, hence, that rebellion is to be supported in its demands to take this property wherever it shall be their pleasure to take it.
As to our Constitution it shall be supported; its flag shall be defended; the liberty of which it is an emblem shall be maintained at all hazards, and if destruction comes in their defence, that defence shall be made to the last drop of our hearts blood.
Mr. PACKARD supposed he shared in the feeling of all the members on this floor when he said the subject under consideration could not be overestimated. It must be acknowledged that the present is a time of great danger and difficulty, and to one as young as himself in political life, it was almost dangerous to approach the subject. Scylla is on the one hand, and Charyhdis on the other. But the heart that falters in the hour of peril, the spirit that quails when danger and difficulty surrounds, is unworthy the name of freeman. Therefore, whether he erred or not, he had an earnest heart and purpose in the matter, and by the indulgence of the House, he would-five utterance to the sentiments he cherished. The history of our coutry for eighty-four years had been a proud one. Our penury had become opulence; our feebleness had become a mighty power; our commerce had become the hope of the world, and our feeble and restricted colonies had become an ocean-bound empire.
But in the midst of all this prosperity there have been those who have gone about all over our free land sowing the seeds of discord ; and the cloud which, at the first, was no larger than a man's hand-than that seen by the servant of Elijah on the mountain top-has grown fearfully large and lowering, ready to break over our country in all the fierce horrors of a revolution. As the physician who would treat skillfully a fearful disease, inquires first into the cause, so in order that we may be able to prescribe a proper and wholsesome remedy, we should first seek out and find the true source of our troubles. In discussin the source and origin of our troubles, it was not his purpose to advert to them at great length, nor to indulge incriminations and recriminations! He believed that the great fault, the great source of the error of the American people, if they are in error, had arisen from this fact: We talk of the secession of South Carolina, but he affirmed that this Union was virtually dissolved long before the State of South Carolina declared her ordinance of secession. Dissolved! How? Not by any civil, overt act of dissolution; by no means.
But what was this Union? It was a great political constitution which rests on the popular good will-on the mutual feeling of love and respect of the people of the United States, Its foundations rest where all liberal and Constitutional Governments must rest. There was but one other bond of strength for government, and that was slavish fear. Then if this Union rests on the mutual good will of the people of the States, he said, the Union was destroyed when that feeling was destroyed. Joshua R. Giddings never utteard a greater Republican truth than when he said there was no enmity between any two foreign nations greater than that between the people of the Northern and the people of the Southern States. But certainly gentlemen would not accuse the Democracy of the North with entertaining that hatred. No; but it was a fearful fact that for a long time past a rancorous hatred had sprung up in the bosom of the people of the North against the people of the South. This feeling had assumed a political character, and increasing in power and momentum, had rolled wave after wave of its power in a reckless crusade on the peculiar institution of the South, in utter disregard of their right of protection, as recognized under the Constitution and in the solemn edicts of Congress.
The North had fostered and strengthened a hostile feeling against the South, until it had become a rankling hatred, as shown by the laws passed by these Northern States. They have refused the poor boon of allowing the slaveholders to pass through their States with their slaves; their leader has declared that slavery and freedom can not exist together; yet the North is dependent on the South for its prosperity, and hence it refuses to grant the request of the South when it asks a peaceable division of the property that belongs to both, and the right to live in peace separately, He would not justify all the South had done; but who can expect a people in a revolution to observe the laws. The grievances of the South have become intolerable, and, as in our revolutionary struggle, they had a right to demand another government. Legally they could not revolutionize, but the Republicans, who have caused all the difficulties, have no reason to complain of their own acts. They have elected to the Presidency a man pledged to hostility against the rights of the South.
But now the Republicans have grown belligerent ; they desire to conquer the cotton States. If they do subdue them, how could page: 155[View Page 155]they govern them? If disunion, however disgraceful must come, let it come rather than civil war. Never would he consent to vote men or money, or arms, or consent to any measure that will lead to a conflict.
A great difficulty arises from our not remembering the nature of the difficulty. If it was limited to Charleston, we might properly coerce her and force her to obedience; but the true nature of it may be seen in the answer of the Tennessee Legislature to the New York resolutions. The dominant party in the North have crushed out all fraternal feeling by their Constant denunciations of slavery-their abolition lectures in every school house in the country. If they loved this country half as much as they do their party, they could bring peace and harmony back again. But they oppose the Crittenden propositions, because they deny the principles of concession it embodies. He referred to the positions assumed by Mr. Seward in the telegraphic reports of last night, as indicating that he was ready to abandon his party platform rather than bring civil war upon the country.
The apathy of the Republican party is one of the chief things one of the most clangerous that stands in the way of conciliation. They seem to depend wholly upon Abraham Lincoln, but unless the difficulties are settled before he takes his seat, he will preside over but a small portion of our Confederacy.
Why do they not allow the people to vote on the adoption of the Crittenden amendments? If they could speak, fifty thousand majority in this State would demand their adoption. It had been asserted that the people had decided these questions in the recent elections. He denied this. The principles of the Republicans never have been endorsed by the majority of the people, The Democrats had made the country ; he rejoiced that they have had the control of the State, and now if they could have their way, they would soon preserve it from the dangers that threaten its destruction. Instead of meeting the Democrats in their efforts to preserve it, they bring forward resolutions cunningly worded with terms of peace and fraternal feeling, but so limiting the powers of the Commissioners, as to prevent any action that could harmonize the country.
He asked what had been the policy of the country toward foreign nations. Did it settle conflicting claims by war? No! But by sending peace commissions, invoking every kindly feeling, as in the Canada boundary and the Oregon disputed line. Shall we not pursue the same course toward our own brethren?
Mr. CAMERON obtained the floor.
Mr. HENRICKS rose to a question of privilege. He held in his hand this morning's Cincinnati Commercial newspaper, containing an article which he desired to be read at the Clerk's table-in which there was reflection cast on the members of this body.
The article read was the New York Tribune's notice of the refusal in the Richmond (Va.) Theater to hear Miss Caroline Richings sing " The Star Spangled Banner," but when she sung the Southern Marseillaise, and trampled on the American Flag she received the most tumultuous applause; and the inquiry of the Commercial whether this was " the same Miss Richings who sang " The Star Spangled Banner" for the Indiana Legislature the other day, and received from that agust body a vote of thanks?
The Speaker laid before the House a communication from the Auditor of State responding to the resolution of the House, inquiring after $255,000 of the Common School Fund paid into the State Treasury and withheld from the schools, referred to in the last report of the Superintendent of Public Instruction.
The Auditor says the practice has been to issue the Auditor's warrant in favor of the County Treasurer for the distributive share (of the School Fund) of each county, which warrant is placed to the credit of the county treasurer in settlement. Practically, only the excess has been paid into the Treasury. The reason of the accumulation of what is due to the Common School Fund is because the literal execution of the school law of 1855 is rendered impracticable by the failure of the county officers to report the collections in the time prescribed by law; and hence the Superintendent has been compelled to make an estimated distribution or none at all.
The SPEAKER announced the consideration of the reports of the Committee of Thirteen.
Mr. CAMERON took the floor, but gave way to-
Mr. PROSSER. Mr. Speaker, I have been one of those humble individuals that, if I have stood for anything, it has been for a calm and peaceable discussion of every question before this body, and but yesterday I was in favor of limiting speeches in this discussion to ten minutes, because I felt that no good could grow out of a protracted discussion. The propriety of this suggestion has become more apparent since, from the course that has been taken. There was a minority report from the Committee of Thirteen, of which I am a member ; and that report has been assailed by the majority on this floor in the most insulting and bitter terms. I was one who subscribed to that report. I put my name to it, believing it to be right. I have never, on this floor, or elsewhere, made the discussion of politics with my opponents, a personal matter. I have uniformly acted with the strictest courtesy to all political opponents. But now my sentiments and motives have been impugned. They have been assailed in most violent terms. The gentleman from Laporte yesterday evening commenced the attack, the gentleman from Jasper page: 156[View Page 156] followed it up, and to-day the gentleman from Kosciusko has capped the climax-until, I say to you, Mr. Speaker, forbearance on my part has ceased to be a virtue. If I have any principle, sir, it is to be true to myself and to my constituents; and when I am impeached as a traitor-when I am accused of being guilty of that for which, if proven, I should be strung up between heaven and earth-it is a matter of no small importance to me. I know that there are Republicans on this floor who do not countenance such remarks-who are not in favor of them, who discuss subjects upon their merits, without personal abuse, or pandering to passions and prejudices. And while there may have been some offensive remarks given out by the gentleman from Marshall, on this side, it was only by way of offset against what had been before heaped upon the minority. These gentlemen-three of them-have gone on to state that they are for war, that they are fighting men. The gentleman from Kosciusko was willing to spill the last drop of his blood in the conflict. They seem to be without fear. But I tell these gentlemen that it is beneath the dignity of the pot-house politician to indulge in such a line of remark. These questions can be better decided without going so far. I tell them, when they say l am a traitor, it is a base falsehood, and I cram it down their vile throats, and stand here to defend myself.
Mr. BUNDY and others called to order.
Mr. PROSSER. If I am not in order, why, in God's name, were not those men called to order when they denounced me as a traitor ? The call to order conies with a bad grace from them at this time, and again I hurl their denunciations back, and again cram the lie down their wide throats.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Brown will take his seat. The chair will not permit such language from any member of the House, and he begs to say that hereafter, when gentlemen take such advantage of the chair, he will see if there is not some way to protect both the chair and the House.
Mr. CAMERON thought there had been enough of this bad blood. Gentlemen should not stir up the fires of the volcano. He intended to discuss this question, not as it relates to men, but in view of the imminence of the peril that overhangs the country. We have been told here that the time is past for indulgence in "glittering generalities" that we must look the fact in the face ; that the Union is already begun to be dissolved; that in our political heavens one sun after another was fading out-ready to vanish, and leave only dark spots in their places. He proposed more particularly, to consider the remarks of his friend from Marshall [Mr. Packard.] That gentleman had said this difficulty of secession and dissolution is not the effect of the election of Mr. Lincoln, but that the cause of it existed long ago, when the people lost their devotion to the common country.
The gentleman right. So far back as the day when this government was formed, there was engendered by the dreamers of South Carolina an which never loved the Union which itself from time to time, and in Jackson's d broke forth in almost open rebellion.
The gentleman from Marshall referred to the causes which gave rise to the present unfortunate condition of the country. He attributed them to the discussion of slavery. He was sustained by those who were the leaders in this secession movement. He would read their declarations, and then it could be seen what the causes were.
In the convention of South Carolina, which passed the ordinance of secession, the following declarations were made by delegates :
"Mr. Inglis. Mr. President : If there is any gentleman present who wishes to debate this matter, of course this body will hear him ; but as to delay for the purpose of discussion, I for one am opposed to it. As my friend (Mr. Parker) has said, most of us have had this matter under consideration for the last twenty years, and I presume we have by this time arrived at a decision upon the subject,"
"Mr. Keitt-Sir, we are performing a great act, which involves not only the stirring present, but embraces the whole great future of ages to come. I have been engaged in this movement ever since I entered into political life"
"Mr. Rhett-The secession of South Carolina is not an event of a day. Is not anything produced by Mr. Lincoln's election, or by the non-execution of the Fugitive Slave Law. It is a matter which has been gathering head for thirty years."
Here it is seen that secession has not been caused by any recent political events. It has not been produced by the election of Mr. Lincoln. So declares the greatest leader in this secession movement. But for the last twenty years it has been agitated, and to present the consummation of the schemes of disunion, everything has been yielded- to the Southern disunionists for the last twenty years.
And now we are asked to make more concessions-to yield up every political principle that was decided by the election of Mr. Lincoln. If we do not comply with these demands the country is to be destroyed and the Union dissolved. To resist a dissolution of the government by the enforcement of the laws is denounced as unjustifiable coercion, and pictures are drawn of the calamities which must follow civil war. No one could more regret this than he, but if these are to be the results of enforcing obedience, he would endure them all. The rights of labor are to be maintained. The Republicans are made responsible for opinions held by the old Whig party, but he would defend them, although in past times he had been a Democrat. That party had stood by Jackson when the peace of the country was menaced and the Union threatened with destruction, Eminent men, as Scott and Taylor, of that party, were seen in prominent positions in the Mexican war.
We are told that the Union is dissolved. It is not so ; thirty-four stars are yet seen on our flag. It now represents Kansas, and South Carolina is still there. It has been admitted page: 157[View Page 157]that Charleston should be coerced, if the secession movement was confined to it; but what difference is there in the offense of a city or State? If it would be right to subdue the one-coercion, is it not right in the other, also?
But Mr. Packard charges that the Republican party meets the present crisis with apathy. This is not so; it acts coolly-calmly. Did Major Anderson act with apathy when he refrained from firing on the forts? or have we acted with apathy when we forbore to send boats against the battery at Vicksburg ?
The Crittenden propositions are nothing more than a slave code for the Territories, and whenever it is tried by the vote of the people,it will be found that they will again reject it, for it embodies the Breckinridge platform of the last canvass.
But the Republican party is charged with the acts of John Brown. That man was a dis-unionist, like those of the South-as Wendell Phillips and Lloyd Garrison are.
He then dwelt upon the benefits that the South had under the Constitution. They had those peculiar benefits, on account of which Wendell Phillips denounces it as a covenant, with hell, and seeks to destroy it. Here we see both these extremes resolved upon the destruction of the Constitution, because it is not as extreme as themselves.
The Republican party stands on the platform that the Union must and shall be preserved, and it will use all means necessary to preserve it. He declared his readiness to do all that he could to avoid a civil war, but when it was demanded of'him to make the country a slave country, lie would not consent.
Mr. BUNDY promised to be brief in his remarks, for he knew there were many members here who desired to be heard. He had heard the appeals of gentlemen for the preservation of the Union with great pleasure. He yielded to no man in the intensity of his desire to maintain this Union of these States. He would go any reasonable length for pacification, but he would never submit to yield to demands that required him to give up everything. He could not give up the principles on which the Government was founded. No objection had been made to the majority report except that it did not go far enough.
The Crittenden amendment was the only remedy proposed for healing the disease of the body politic. What is the Crittenden amendment? As has been truly said by Mr. Cameron, it is the Breckinridge platform with a slave code added. It is to apply not only to all the Territories now owned by the United States, but to cover all Mexico, when it may gradually become a part of the country. Squatter sovereignty was no more. That great party was already among the things that were. For one he could never accept this remedy. We are told it is a compromise. But how ? Slavery cannot go north of 36 30, but the God-of nature made ail this free territory. What is given up to the North? What does the South yield up? Nothing at all. They do not guarantee safety to our people when in their States on business. Is a proposition of this kind a compromise ? They are to have all the territory that may hereafter be acquired It is all to be given up to slavery. The compromise was all on one side-that the South shall have all the Territory they want, and we all the disadvantages. The people of the North never could make such a compromise.
But we are denounced because the General Assembly will not consent to submit this compromise to the people. The party that has been twice beaten before the people now asks for a new trial. There is a provision in our law which admits ot but two trials in the same matter. There is no justice in the demand. As the Crittenden amendments are the embodiment of the Breckinridge creed, and as it received but twelve thousand votes in this State, what right has a party so signally defeated to have the new trial they ask?
The language of the Minority report was objectionable, and he must be pardoned if he referred to it. The denunciations against the Ministry and the Bible reminds us of the attempt made to destroy both these, in a revolution not a hundred years ago. The consequences of that attempt were such as will make them never to be forgotten.
But another objectionable portion is where it declares that the attempt to enforce the laws will meet with resistance in this State. It is an extraordinary doctrine, one not ever heard of until lately, that a State may secede; yet the Government has no power to execute its laws. In 1833 this was not the doctrine then acted upon. It brings us back to the old Articles of Confederation, when the Government had no power to execute its own laws. What is the result of such a declaration as the minority report contains, but that those who make it will prevent the enforcement of the laws. If they do this, what else is it but giving assistance to the secessionists-to aid them to defy the laws and break up the Union. Is such a course consistent with the duty of patriots ? Is it not rather intended to overthrow the Government, and what else can this be but treason ?
The report declares that the negro is of an inferior race; but if true, does his inferiority make him the creature of slavery ? Yet, unless such a doctrine is enforced, we are threatened, and the country is to be involved in ruin.
He argued further in defense of the principles of the Republican party, and by way of review and criticism of the matter of the minority report. When he had concluded
Mr. HEFFREN spoke at length on the other side. A report of his speech, too long for these pages, is reserved for revision.
Mr. Veatch has the floor for to-morrow. page: 158[View Page 158] Mr. Underwood obtained leave of absence two days.
The SPEAKER. There had been a disposition manifested to charge the Chair with allowing remarks out of order on one side of the House, and not on the other. No such thing was intended. If, as he had been informed, remarks had been indulged in his temporary absence, requiring the restraints of the Chair, he desired to say now, that under no circumstances will he permit any gentleman to proceed when he reflects on motives and character. He regretted that remarks were made this afternoon which were decidedly out of order. The gentlemen on his right now could not complain that they were not at least equal to those on his left.
Mr. FRASIER called the House to witness that he had made no personal allusions in this debate; but he claimed his right to speak of measures as became a representative of a free people.
The House then adjourned.

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GeMS requires Natural Guide Stars (NGSs) to compensate for tip-tilt and plate modes variation. The NGS are also used to compensate for differential flexure between CANOPUS and GSAOI and to compensate for the slow variation of the sodium layer altitude. The NGSs can be sensed using either the CANOPUS Wave Front Sensors (CWFS) or the GSAOI ODGW, or any possible combination of the above. Ideally, three of these guide stars should be available to compensate for the plate-dynamical errors, however CANOPUS may work with 2 or even 1 CWFS with reduced performance. One of the GSAOI ODGW star is used to monitor and compensate possible flexure drift between CANOPUS and GSAOI and can be significantly fainter than the CWFS.
Canopus WFS and GSAOI ODGW limiting magnitudes
The limiting magnitude for the three CANOPUS based WFS (CWFS) has been measured during the GeMS on-sky commissioning. The current limits are given below:
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The faint limit works well for IQ=70%-ile and IQ=85%-ile conditions. For those programs that requires IQ=20%-ile conditions, the fain limit can be extended to R=16 mag. For more detailed information on the performance of the GeMS, including the guide star magnitude limits consult the Performance and limiting magnitude web page.
Accurate determination of the ODGW limiting magnitude is pending. For the purpose of planning observations, it is required that ODGW stars be fainter fainter than H=8 mag (Vega) and brighter than H=14 mag (Vega).
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Only the CANOPUS based WFS (CWFS) are available for guiding during 2013B semester. The GSAOI ODGWs for tip/tilt WFS are NOT OFFERED (commissioning is expected to be started during the second semester of 2013). The following configurations can be accepted:
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To compensate for tip-tilt and plate scale modes, the NGSs should be positioned as close as possible to an equilateral triangle about the science target. Best constellations (or best asterism) are the ones that cover most of the field, or the more distant the stars are, the lower the plate scale error will be. Care must be exercised in selecting these stars so that they remain accessible during dithered observations. Detailed information about how the constellation geometry and the guide star magnitudes can affect performance, and a description of the asterism search algorithm (MASCOT), can be found here.
Performance also will depend on the number of the NGS selected. The system performance for less than 3 NGS, i.e. targets with 2 CWFS + 1 ODGW or with 1 CWFS + 1 ODGW stars, can be evaluated and visualized using the Observing Tool. Instructions of how to visualize and evaluate the performance of a selected asterism are described in the GSAOI OT Details web page.
Important Note: The average Strehl, rms Strehl and the minimum and maximum Strehl delivered by the Mascot algorithm, and visualized in the OT Position Editor (see examples below and the GSAOI OT Details page), corresponds to the best Image Quality Conditions (IQ=20%-ile). The Observing Tools does not provide, yet, Strehl values and maps for worse IQ conditions (IQ=70%-ile and 85%-ile). More accurate Strehl ratios and FWHM values, measured for different seeing conditions, can be found in the GeMS Performance and Limiting magnitud web page.
Example of fields using different guide star configurations are shown below.
Example1: 3 CWFS + 1 ODGW
An example of an optimal natural guide + flexure stars configuration is given below. The three CWFS stars are positioned as close as possible to an equilateral triangle. The magnitudes of the CWFS range from 9.7 to 12.3 in R and the magnitude of the ODGW star is 12.8 in H. The average Strehl ratio (in H-band) and the rms, calculated using the MASCOT algorithm, are shown in position editor at the bottom. The Strehl map is visualized in the position editor as narrow curved green/yellow lines (see the GSAOI OT Details page for details). In this example, we can expect a good performance, based on the analysis of the Strehl map and Strehl rms, i.e. an uniform PSF and good correction across the entire GSAOI field of view.
Example 2: 2 CWFS + 1 ODGW
An example of 2 NGS + ODGW flexure star configuration. Note that the use of galaxies was WFS is not an option. The magnitudes of the two available CWFS are 10.8 and 11.9 in R and the magnitude of the ODGW is 10 in H. The average Strehl (H-band) is around 18%, with a Strehl rms of 18%. The correction will be better close to the two CWFS stars and degraded toward the edge of the GASAOI field view. Based on the analysis of the Strehl map and the Strehl rms, you can expect a lower performance across the GSAOI field of view compared to an asterism with 3 CWFS + 1 ODGW.
Example 3: 1 CWFS + 1 ODGW:
An example of one NGS + ODGW flexure star configuration. The magnitude of the CWFS is R=11.8. The ODGW selected is the same as the CWFS (H=10.5 mag). The average Strehl (in H-band) is around 13% and the rms is quite large rms (~20%). The correction will be better close to the WFS star and degraded toward the edge of the GASAOI field view. Based on the analysis of the Strehl map and the Strehl rms, you can expect a more variable PSF and poorer correction across the GSAOI field of view. Note that the other targets in the GSAOI field of view are not point like sources and cannot be used as NGS.


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Cyberattacks pose more of a threat to the United States than a land-based attack by a terrorist group, while North Korea's development of a nuclear weapons program poses a "serious threat," the director of national intelligence told Congress on Tuesday.
The warning by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper came in his annual report to Congress on the threats facing the United States.
"Attacks, which might involve cyber and financial weapons, can be deniable and unattributable," Clapper said in prepared remarks before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "Destruction can be invisible, latent and progressive."
The Internet is increasingly being used as a tool both by nations and terror groups to achieve their objectives, according to Clapper's report.
However, there is only a "remote chance" of a major cyberattack on the United States that would cause widespread disruptions, such as regional power outages, the report says. Most countries or groups don't have the capacity to pull it off.
While Clapper emphasized possible cyberthreats, committee members raised questions about the potential nuclear dangers posed by North Korea and Iran, the increasing prevalence of al Qaeda in Syria and the effect of cuts to the U.S. budget on intelligence activities.
'Belligerent rhetoric'
Angered by U.N. Security Council sanctions over its nuclear test, North Korea threatened for the first time to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States and South Korea.
Even by North Korean standards, the threat of a nuclear strike and the scrapping of a 1953 truce that effectively ended the Korean War have been incredibly provocative, Clapper said.
"The rhetoric, while it is propaganda laced, is also an indicator of their attitude and perhaps their intent," he said, adding he was concerned what, if any, provocative action North Korea would take against its southern neighbor.
Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, quizzed Clapper about what, if any, deterrence, works with North Korea and Iran, who have been slapped with numerous U.N. Security Council sanctions over the development of a nuclear program.
"Mutually assured destruction? Are they responsive to that kind of rational thinking that has guided U.S. policy for 50 years? Are these countries like the (former) Soviet Union, that we can have some confidence that they're gonna make a rational decision knowing that if they do something crazy they are going to be wiped out?" King asked.
Clapper told the committee he believed that both North Korea and Iran understand that.
North Korea, for whatever reason, believes the United States would use a nuclear weapon against it, Clapper said.
"They certainly respect the capability for our military," he said.
"They've gone to school on what we've done starting with Desert Storm. I know that for a fact. So I think deterrence in this broadest context does work and does have impact on decision-making calculus of those these two countries."
Al Qaeda's influence in Syria
Clapper also warned the committee that Syria's chemical weapons program has the potential to inflict mass causalities.
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The potential of the core of al Qaeda to "launch a coordinated, massive attack" against the United States, according to Clapper, has diminished, while the global jihadist movement is more decentralized and, therefore, more of a threat.
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February 26 – Happy Birthday J. T. Snow
By the early nineties it had become pretty evident that Don Mattingly was never going to regain the stroke that had made him the very best hitter in baseball during the first half of his career. The Yankees would need to find a new first baseman in the very near future and the question became would they go the free agent route, make a trade or was their a prospect down in the minors who had the game to at least attempt to fill "Donnie Baseball's" hard-to-fill cleats. The best first base prospect at the time in New York's farm system was today's Pinstripe Birthday celebrant.
Jack Thomas Snow, better known as "J. T." had the genetics of a professional athlete. His Dad was the great All-Pro receiver for the LA Rams, Jack Snow. The younger Snow played his college ball at the University of Arizona and the Yankees had selected him in the fifth round of the 1989 Amateur Draft. I saw him play for the Albany Colonie Yankees in the Eastern League in 1991. He had both a good bat and a fine glove. By 1992 he had made it to the top rung of New York's farm system and put together a strong season for the Columbus Clippers, averaging .313 with 15 home runs and 78 RBIs. That was also the year that Snow made his big league debut via a seven-game call-up with New York in late September.
As it turned out, the Yankees needed started pitching back then more than they needed a replacement for Mattingly. In December of '92, they went after the Angels one-handed starter, Jim Abbott. New York had to include Snow in the deal to close it. Getting a chance to watch the remarkable Abbott pitch regularly was certainly a thrill for me but California had gotten the best player in that trade. Snow started at first immediately for the Angels. By 1995, he had won his first Gold Glove and also hit 24 home runs and drove in 102 for California. But when he slumped at the plate the following season, the Halo's traded him to the Giants, where he would play for the next nine years. His best years in San Fran were his first four, when he won the Gold Glove for first basemen each year while averaging 22 home runs and 94 RBIs per season. By then, Tino Martinez had also replaced Mattingly in New York. Martinez would prove to be the better choice for the Yankees but I've always felt J.T. Snow would have handled the job pretty well, himself. We'll never know.
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Tuesday, January 31st, 2012This movie is opening at the Loft Theatre (3233 E. Speedway) on Friday Feb. 3rd. Meet writer/producer AUSTIN VICKERS in person at the post-film Q&A's on opening weekend — Friday at 6:00 p.m. and Saturday, February 4th at 7:00 p.m. Regular admission prices will apply: Adult $9.00, Senior (65+) $6.00, Child(12 & Under) $6.00, Matinee $6.50, Student, Military, Teacher $7.00, Member $5.00.
Good documentaries are based on the attempt, in one fashion or another, to document reality. Great documentaries take you further. PEOPLE V. THE STATE OF ILLUSION questions the very nature of reality and reveals how our perceptions can actually create that reality. If you enjoyed The Secret, The Shadow Effect, or What The Bleep Do We Know!?, then you're sure to be intrigued by this compelling and thought-provoking new docudrama.
This must-see psychological film includes some of the nation's leading thinkers in the fields of neuroscience, biochemistry, psychology, quantum physics, sociology, and consciousness theory, including Dr. Thomas Moore, Dr. Candace Pert, Debbie Ford, Dr. Joe Dispenza, Dr. Robert Jahn, Dr. Peter Senge, Brenda Dunne, and Dr. Michael Vandermark. Set in the notorious "Old Main Prison" of the New Mexico State Penitentiary, the film tells the story of Aaron Roberts, and is an inspiring and compelling movie that will enlighten your mind and elevate your spirit. PEOPLE VS. THE STATE OF ILLUSION is directed by Scott Cervine and written and produced by Austin Vickers.
For more information go to the Loft Cinema website (click here) to view the trailer. This film "opened in Phoenix on September 9, 2011, where it played to sold out audiences and was the #1 Independent Film in Arizona for over 6 weeks", per Curtis Cook of Human Process Mastery, which is promoting this film. It is supposed to open nationwide in March, so this is a sneak preview showing in Tucson.
I just viewed the movie trailer which talks about stress, perceptions, habits of thought, being afraid of living — this is definitely my kind of existential movie, since I enjoyed "What the Bleep Do We Know!? (click here for my blog when Dr. Masaru Emoto came to Tucson to discuss that film).
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 7074738:MV8yMDQwNzgxXzM0MzMyMjcwXzU4RjU1NEJD] OP you are my fucking hero mate. I could not have said it better myself and this goes for the whole friggin world not just the US. Here in Aus it's just as big a scam. [/quote]
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Seriously, what in the FUCK is wrong with you all? Has GLP let all common sense just fly out the fucking window? Who cares about the vote! Nobody cares who you voted for.
The only thing people should care about on this site is IF YOU VOTED, and than they should proceed to tell you everything that is wrong with it.
Apparently your brainwashed heads are stuck so far up your McDonalds-shitting asses, you have no clarity in your thoughts, whatsoever. Call me unamerican, call me what you will, but HERE are the facts, FOOLS!
- Your vote does not count.
- Voting is submission to Tyranny.
- Voting is an act of tolerance, not an act of support. (few will understand this)
- When you vote, you not only cast a paper ballot; you confirm that you approve of the system and those who run it - corruption and all.
- Voting is old school, outdated and defunct. It's only existent for traditional purposes, because regardless of who wins, the show never, EVER changes.
- Voting is a written, personal contribution to murder, thievery, bribery, war, and everything the government does wrong. If your vote counts for anything, it is for ignorance due to this simple fact.
- Voting has NEVER changed anything major for the better. All of the "could have(s), would have(s), and will(s) are purely hypothetical bullshit that mean nothing.
- Your vote provides consent. That consent is what fuels our slavery to the government, allows them to be in control and tells them "hey, I'm fucking stupid and I haven't figured out that this is all a big scam, yet."
- Your vote alone, all by itself, show's massive amounts of ignorance. The most intelligent thinkers of all time WERE NOT VOTERS, because they knew and understood the hypocrisy involved with voting. They refused to provide their consent to war, murder, high crime and economic rape. Only those who understand the way the system works - for real - will understand this.
- Once elected, that president RARELY EVER makes any of the changes he swore to make. It's always the opposite, filled with bullshit excuses and sugar-coated with public aid.
- The Electoral College
- The fact that you had no say in choosing the candidates themselves.
- You're likely voting on one to two major factors, which will most likely receive NO attention. So, all in all, you're voting based on a politician's opinion.
- Abortion has not been outlawed, guns have not been outlawed, medicare has not been dumped, social security has not been dumped and healthcare has not been improved, EVER, regardless of who is in office.
- Since the very first president, people have been expecting their whole life to turn around with a single vote. It never has. Fluctuations in quality of life will always remain and the majority will never be happy. However, after over 100 years and countless presidents, you feed into the propaganda that "he will change it all!".. And in the end, he never does.. Just look at Obama - all he needs is "4 more years" to create "hope".. Fuck him. It doesn't matter what he does, nor anyone else, nothing will change for the average worker. NOTHING. Things will only get harder and the illusion will grow deeper.
I'm sorry, but if you voted, you are totally 190% an ignorant fucking idiot. You deserve to remain a slave because you have failed to educate yourself on world affairs, government policy and the REAL way that the world turns. The public side of politics is nothing more than a soap opera and once you realize it you will know that you are correct, without question.
If you voted today, lick my fucking balls. Thanks a lot for refusing to be aware of what's going on. Thanks a lot for making it harder for those who try our asses off to teach you. Thanks for proving that you're nothing more than a shit-eating sheep with ZERO intellect and the intelligence of.......... a fucking slave.
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 01:20 pm |
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Naim Peress Member
I think Rose Greenhow and Elizabeth Van Lew were the most effective spies of the Civil War. Greenhow's information helped the South win the first Battle of Manassas and Van Lew's work helped Grant's army in 1864 and Benjamin Butler's Army of the James. Which do you think were the most effective? |
Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 04:40 pm |
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GeorgeM GeorgeM
My vote goes to Longstreet's spy (scout) Henry Thomas Harrison (1832-1923). He provided invaluable intelligence to Lee and Longstreet on Union troop movements and positions in the immediate days before Gettysburg. |
Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 11:59 pm |
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Naim Peress Member
I've never heard of the man. Perhaps you could enlighten me. |
Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 03:50 pm |
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GeorgeM GeorgeM
There is a good article on Henry T. Harrison in Wikipedia and there are four references cited there about him. Additionally, in the movie Gettysburg, actor Cooper Huckaby provides an excellent portrayal of Longstreet's spy, providing interesting and informative insights about him. However, there is no evidence that Harrison participated in the Pickett-Pettigrew-Trimble charge as depicted in the movie. |
Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 12:38 pm |
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Naim Peress Member
It's interesting to see a spy have so much influence. His information convinced Lee to send the army to Gettysburg. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. |
Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 03:33 pm |
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GeorgeM GeorgeM
You are welcome. Henry T. Harrison was a very interesting guy. |
Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 09:29 am |
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fedreb Member
For more info on Spies you could read Spies and Spymasters of the Civil War by Donald E Markle which gives short histories of dozens of spies, both Union and Confederate, male and female their lives, techniques, successes and failures. Fascinating book. Another good source is Spies, Scouts and Raiders from the Time Life Civil War series. (volume 18 if I've gotten them in the right order) |
Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 08:07 am |
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cklarson Member
I hate to sound like a broken record, but Anna Ella Carroll is right up there with Greenhow. She was an adviser to Lincoln, writing political/legal pamphlets for him. On October 11, 1861, she left Washington accompanying secret agent Lemue D. Evans, State. Dept. secret agent for Texas and Mexico, to St. Louis. There she ensconced herself at the Mercantile Library whose head was Gen. Joe Johnston's brother. As a result of conversations with him and other Southern sympathizers she had an interview with Capt. Charles M. Scott, a riverboat pilot working on the Mississippi River expedition, or the planned one. It was during this interview that Carroll asked Scott about the use of the Tenn. River rather than the Mississippi. Scott replied that gunboats would not be suited to fight on the Mississippi due to its strong current and the many defensible points. But the Tenn. was especially suited to the gunboats. As a result Carroll wrote up a plan she submitted to the Lincoln administration recommending that the planned US invasion be switched to the Tennessee R. According to testimony by Asst. Secty. of War Thomas A Scott and Sen. Benjamin F. Wade, Lincoln adopted Carroll's plan. On this site see my announcement of the publicaton of my biography: Great Necessities: The Life, Times, and Writings of Anna Ella Carroll, 1815-1894 and my entry on the Tennessee River campaign. Great Necessities is available through Xlibris.com/1-888-795-4274. Do no use Amazon as other sellers are selling at outrageous prices. C. Kay Larson, independent scholar/author |
Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 08:43 pm |
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LU Student Member
Let us not forget Belle Boyd a Union spy living in Richmond who entertained Confederate officers in her home and told secret Federal agents the size of their armies and where they were. Because of her sympathy to the Union cause, after the war or in the last months, her house was burned to the ground. On Longstreet's spy Harrison, he did participate in Pickett's charge and survived. Later he went back to play Shakespeare. One of Gen. Longstreet's aides Maj. Sorrell, went to see a play and recognized Harrison. Later they talked backstage and that is the last time Maj. Sorrell saw him. (This is mentioned during the credits at the end of Gettysburg) ____________________ Deo Vindice |
Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 08:48 pm |
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LU Student Member
Um GeorgeM, not to sound biased but Wikipedia is not a good source to look up information. Don't get me wrong, there are some great articles but my history proffessor says that Wikipedia is not reliable because anyone can post something that if false. I am just saying. ____________________ Deo Vindice |
Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 07:33 am |
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cklarson Member
Dear LSU Student: RE: Belle Boyd. The woman you're referring to is Elizabeth Van Lew, who was a society lady in Richmond and headed a large interracial spy ring. Elizabeth Varon's new bio of her is excellent. Belle Boyd was the teenaged Confed. spy at Front Royal, VA. CKL |
Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 08:56 am |
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LU Student Member
oh, I guess I am used to hearing Belle Boyd. Thanks for clearing that up. Oh, it's LU (Liberty University). ____________________ Deo Vindice |
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:41 am |
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RE: Anna Ella Carroll: You're exactly correct. As one commentator noted, any competent military mind should have been able to figure out the Tenn. R. was better than the Mississippi. And so did Halleck and Foote and C. F. Smith and Grant. Unfortunately McClellan was relying on Buell for thinking and not at all communicating with Lincoln. Many thought E. TN was the key strategic point. Most historians solely credit Grant, relying on his writings and the memos in the campaign section of Vol. 7 of the ORA. But you need to go through all the background correspondence, the Navy records, Lincoln's and Stanton's records, Thomas Scott's bio and Carroll'l papers and congressional testimony to learn the real story. I just figured that neither Grant nor Carroll were wrong, but the story was bigger than the two of them which it was. I took a lateral cut across the administration and all the pieces fell perfectly into place. You can read my whole Tenn. R. chapter online at nymas.org - right sidebar, scroll down. Of course, I'd like people to buy my book too, since it was totally self-funded and due to discrimination I was unable to engage a trade publisher and had to self publish, in spite of excellent recommendations. There are a lot of people out there who don't want to give a woman credit for critical historical evnts, particularly military ones. Also a note on Greenhow. Like Van Lew and Carroll, she was a Washington society doyenne, had cultivated the scions of DC for years as her husband had been a top State Dept. official. She had been a protege of Calhoun and was an informal political adviser to Buchanan. At the end of the war Jeff Davis entrusted her with an imporant diplomatic mission to Europe. She was said to be having an affair with Sen. Henry Wilson, from whom she allegedly obtained some of her information. These were very important women, but women aren't supposed to be important historically so they are consistently marginalized. C. Kay Larson Author: Great Necessities: The Life, Times and WRitings of Anna Ella Carroll, 1815-1894 (Xlibris.com/1-888-795-4274 |
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:15 am |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer
"why?because your a women?maybe its just not something that would sell?sour grapes you didnt even know when greenhow died maybe your research on carrol is spotty" We don't allow personal attacks on other members. Discuss Civil War spies or don't discuss at all. |
Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 07:15 am |
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cklarson Member
The profusion of bad comments about Anna Ella Carroll is on record. Her claim to the Tenn. River campaign has been called "fantastic" and "preposterous." To my mind, a man who had the political and intellectual record that she did would never have been ignored and maligned like she has been. This nastiness has also extended to me, distorting my record of research. If there is a fault in my research it is that it is too lengthy, hence the manuscript was lengthy. But no publisher told me to cut it and one stated that they could not convince themselves that AEC was worthy of a full length biography--Lincoln's only female political and legal advisor? Please. As for Greenhow's death, she drowned off Fortress Monroe (?) trying to make shore in a small boat which capsized in a rough surf. She had come off a blockade runner returning from England. Her death perhaps was abetted by the bundle of gold coins tied around her waist, proceeds from her autobiography published in London. CKL |
Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 04:04 pm |
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rsburk Member
There is a distinct difference between 'spies' and 'scouts'. It's somwhat like comparing apples and oranges. Spies, in the strict defination, are geared to infiltrate an ememies territory, normally remaining in place over a period of time, collecting and transmitting more strategic information. Scouts, were utilized in the gathering of 'real time' information of a tactical nature (i.e. battlefield intel, troop movements, etc.). Having said that however, I am sure that there were many which preformed both roles at one time or another. Just my humble comments |
Posted: Sun Nov 29th, 2009 04:28 pm |
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Naim Peress Member
I think it's important to understand the difference between tactical and strategic intelligence. Tactical involves, for example, the location of particular units. That is short-term and immediate information. Strategic involves the long-term intentions or plans of an enemy. For example, a policy meeting of Jefferson Davis and his Cabinet being reported to Washington would have been strategic intelligence. |
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Hey. I was playing a fine game, and then I see this message. I have posted the screenshot. Obviously the intent was to cause people to leave, thinking they had already conceded. I have outlined the other vote that was in progress, making a concession impossible at that point. I have also underlined the user who would be responsible, assuming this was a chat macro of some kind and not a console command that anyone could have used.
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Interesting, although hard to reproduce, tried it in a practice game using spaces and the words for the second line didn't line up. I typed in what he did with about 25 spaces in between.
This is exactly why I asked several times for a big visual advice somewhere that says that a team has conceded.
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Also the Hellbourne text looks alot darker than it should be to me.
Hmmm, well they could make a Concede text like when you Deny a tower.. so that a red CONCEDE appears, or perhaps a Victory or Defeat ..
But yeah to topic: He must have practiced to get that text to work so good since he managed first try..
Not that hard once you figure it out to put it into a macro creating program like autohotkey and then you just press a single button and it automatically types or copy/pastes it into chat for you.
I agree that more than just the chat message to display, like something that says CONCESSION in big red letters and have the announcer say something like "Hellbourne has conceded the match".
Thats just dirty. Seriously, what's wrong with them? E-Penis being that important is scary. Wouldn't like to meet that desperate people in a back alley.
The concede status sohuld appear and STAY there. Otherwise if you miss it you have no idea later on.
They just need to add a "Victory" "Defeat" button at the end.
If your team conceds there needs to be some visual marker saying that stats arnt being recorded.
there is a easy way to now if a team has conceded or not. Just check if their creeps are spawning, the team that concedes has no more creep spawns.
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