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Wednesday, October 13, 2010
Bronfman Brats the laughing stock of Europe
Today was a black day in the short history of NXIVM as the long awaited Vanity Fair article made its European debut. Entitled
The Heiresses and the Cult By Suzanna Andrews
U.K. EDITION November 2010 {here}
This long delayed and detailed article is the most damming manifesto I have ever read on the NXIVM cult. Some highlights
Well this sounds like a summary of my blog
"But in the last few months, people have begun to come forward with stories about nxivm. Stories about private detectives allegedly obtaining bank and phone records of nxivm opponents; stories of its critics being followed and threatened and, in one case, reportedly run off the road by a black limousine; accounts of a motherless three-year-old boy, brought into the group as a newborn under mysterious circumstances, and about the circumstances behind the Dalai Lama's visit to Albany." "Suddenly darker questions were being raised about how the Bronfmans' money was being used. Indeed, today, in the multiple lawsuits involving the Bronfman sisters, there are serious allegations being lobbed—not just of possible blackmail and perjury but also of other "potentially illegal" activities, including theft and "a conspiracy to forge documents." "They weren't sprinkled with the Bronfman gold dust, and, in a family noted for its sense of entitlement, this set them apart."
"according to court documents Natalie's home was broken into; police were sent to her mother's house; her family was threatened"
"Natalie would learn that nxivm had hired the controversial Israeli-born private investigator Juval Aviv to monitor her home and look into her private life and business activities."
"he had insisted she keep the body of her dead puppy in her garage freezer and look at it daily in order to better deal with death."
"People say the same was true with Clare, to even more damaging effect. Perhaps more competent than her sister, she was also considered cutting and "mean." She "treats people like servants," says one former trainer. "You'd hear Clare say, 'It's not worth the value you're giving,'" says this person. "'You didn't work that hard.' People began to say, 'How would she know anyway? She's never worked for anything.'"
NOW THIS WAS LIFTED FROM MY BLOG.But I'm am glad others caught on to it.
"What happened next is something of a mystery. People believe that Sara and Clare flew to Dharamsala, India, to plead with him. And, if so, it's possible they were just extremely persuasive—because His Holiness changed his mind. But the Dalai Lama Trust, registered in New York State just two days before the Dalai Lama's appearance in Albany, raised eyebrows. Calls to the trust were not returned. The Bronfman money, it was said, might still be able to buy a lot of things, but not respect."
This is part of what I wrote back in July
See Secrets of the Saffron Robe {here}
"The sisters were frantic, time to fire up the jet and with Keith, Nancy, Sara, Clair and the baby Lama in tow they all flew to India for a meeting with the Dalia to get him to do something, anything in Albany. Did I mention the boatload of cash? Now again there is no smoking gun or tape BUT a
The Dalai Lama Trust
241 East 32nd Street
New York, NY 10016
Was set up in the spring of 2009
They have filed no reports with the New York Attorney General's Charities Bureau.
Listing Asset Amount n/r
Income Amount n/r
Form 990 Revenue Amount n/r
And guess what happened next?
Dalai Lama Representative confirms May visit."
"alleged that the Bronfmans' foundations had used funds to pay for the care of Gaelen, the three-year-old boy who has been living in the Halfmoon "compound." His identity is a mystery. The oft-repeated story is that he was "given" as a weeks-old infant to Barbara Jeske, one of Raniere's longtime followers, by his grandfather, after the baby's mother died—either in childbirth or in a car accident. He may have been born in Michigan—where sources say Jeske went to get Gaelen—but even that cannot be corroborated. Today Gaelen lives with Kristin Keeffe, the Bronfmans' and nxivm's "legal adviser." Raised as Raniere's "heir" and according to Raniere's child-rearing theories, he is reportedly fed a raw diet, kept away from other children, and tended to by five nannies who each speak to him in a different language—including Russian, Spanish, Hindi, and Chinese. Former nxivm insiders have been so concerned about the child they have phoned child protective services, but to no avail. "
They also go into great detail about many of the convoluted legal and fiscal activities of the cult.
All in all this was a great article that will hit NXIVM hard across the pond. The Bronfman Brats come off as little more than two spoiled little brats trying to get daddies attention. I will leave this as the top story for a few days so post away
124 comments:
- Becca said...
idk if I can say a direct kudos to the person who made this article happen, so THANK YOU! You rock! This is the best article yet! Connects so many dots. And yeah, wtf is up re the puppy?
- October 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM
In war, truth is the first casualty ....
but not this time....enjoy the silence it's here
for J.A.N. - October 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Did I read this correctly,
Attorney Robert Crockett is THE TRUSTEE OF THE LARGE TRUST...????!!!
can someone spell CONFLICT OF INTEREST ??
Someone should let Yuri and Natasa Plyam this information asap.
What mother fuckers this group is !
What kind of a man with high interlligence tells someone to put a dead puppy in a freezer, sounds like a mass murderer to me. - October 13, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Well you can say Mr. Daddy Bronfman wasn't warned. He could not understand the Great and Power VanGod's ability to mind control his girls. Now he knows who his babies Sara and Clare are dealing with. What ya going do Papa?
It's not too late to save some of their trust fund Daddy Bronfman. Sometimes parents have to be the "bad guy" to teach their children lessons by doing what is RIGHT for them regardless how they react when they don't understand what is RIGHT.
Believe me, they will respect you later. When? Well after their KOOL-AID DETOX PROGRAM.
CUT THEM OUT OF YOUR TRUST UNLESS THEY GROW UP. I hear there is nothing you can do about their Grand Daddy's trust but you can disown them from theirs. It might be what they need to grow up and smell REALITY.
At least your other children seem to put the money to a much better use even if they have made some mistakes. Your youngest daughters are just plain STUPID at this point.
Maybe you should do what Becca's husband did. He was willing to walk away from their relationship but only after she read some enlightening information about the CULT she was leaving her family for.
Your baby brats need a couple of months away from the CULT at some kind of deprogramming camp for spoiled brats.
Lindsay Lohan is a child genius compared to these brats. What is this world coming to?
We should be really afraid for our country. - October 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM
I'm going to see my parents today and hug and kiss them both for spanking me as a child and teaching me right from wrong.
People see this as abusive but I think not holding your children accountable should be a crime
Mr Bronfman, it is never to late to teach your children how to be responsible grown ups. You dad left you money but taught you something you did not pass on to your kids.
Maybe it was their mothers who made the difference. - October 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM
This raniere is a character.
He teaches ethics and same time steals money and tells the bronfman brats it's the father ??
He tells his girlfriend to put dead puppy in a freezer ?
He's with a kid who each nuts and berries.
Am I crazy or is this organizaton out of their fucking mind !! - October 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM
All this information - and still no response from our illustrious and soon-to-be-governor Andrew Cuomo??? What the fuck...I hope that Paladino stops bullshitting around and just outs him. Yeah, that's right folks: Andy is really a dandy!
- October 13, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Alot of the quotes from the article are taken from the lawsuit Yuri and Natalia Plyam filed against Raniere while back. Thats where the gambling, commodities, sex and all the juicy stuff came from.
I think these two are very courages for letting the cat out of the bag.
Takes alot of guts.
Thank you for exposing this man for the vicious asshole that he is ! The article would not be the same without the infrormation in the lawsuit.
Have you tried to do an interview with either of them ?
Thanks John for bringing this information to light. - October 13, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Vanity Fair did a great article. Suzanna Andrews is a brilliant writer and must of put a great deal into research into this article.
What a joke this group is. VanGod's mother and father must not have taught him to do what you preach.
No wonder the Bronfman Brats are not learning to be responsible, their 2nd daddy can't teach them it either. - October 13, 2010 at 3:48 PM
It's pretty clear to any armchair psychologist that the Bronfman brats are still doing everything they can to please daddy - only this time it's VanFraud who gets to play that role. Let's just hope that both sisters manage to avoid any pregnancies because letting this fucked up Bronfman clan die out will only make the world a better place.
- October 13, 2010 at 4:29 PM
This just goes to show you how far people might go to belong to something. In my opinion, these women were just lost in the world and needed something and someone to make them feel a sense of family and belonging. Too bad, really, that they were so dumb and lost so much money. Had it not been Raniere, it would have probably been someone else.
I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for either one of them, however. Fool me once- shame on you. Fool me twice- shame on me. If you are so gullible that you are fooled over and over again, well they are both deserving of all the bad press and ridicule they have gotten.
Further, you don't get to heaven by settng up "foundations" and funding them. Real charitable work might help these two hopeless, misdirected women. I hope they at least donate used clothing to a shelter or even the Salvation Army but something tells me that they don't. - October 13, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Here's a quote by the hypocritical, empty shell of a man named Raniere:
"If in the next moment your behaviour would affect all of humanity forever more, how would you behave? Every moment is such a moment."
Practice what you preach. I bet he forgets what he says within an hour.
How this fool managed to ingratiate so many of these so-called entertainment people from Vancouver into his high-cost social club is beyond me. - October 13, 2010 at 7:17 PM
Raniere is one sick SOB, that's for damn sure. Doing ATM's on the sisters - banging one in the rear then pulling out and having the other sister lick his pole clean. How the hell can Bronfman live with himself knowing his daughters are being used and abused not only as cash ATMs but for sex ATMs?!? I can't believe with his connections, especially to some VERY shady people, that Raniere hasn't simply been capped.
- October 13, 2010 at 7:18 PM
- Becca said...
Everyone: A New Pic of KR was added to the VF article. It's on page three. Quite an eye full.
- October 13, 2010 at 7:56 PM
John please; DON'T DOWNPLAY YOUR IMPORTANCE IN ALL OF THIS. Without your blog none of this would have come out.
You broke the story on the Kid
You broke the story on the Dali Lamas trust fund.
Both were major news.
Well done and shame on Vanity Fair for being to high and mighty to give credit to "just a blogger."
You are the future and Magazines are the past. - October 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM
Well, if nothing else, that picture proves that VanFraud never tied the New York State record in the 100 yard dash. Seriously, it would take this fucker about 15o strides just to run that far. And not a lot of muscle tone there either.
- October 13, 2010 at 8:17 PM
First off... Fantastic picture of the dirty troll Raniere. There must be a lot of screaming and yelling coming out of those two end units at the beginning of Flintlock in Halfmoon.
- October 13, 2010 at 8:21 PM
The comments that he is "extremely charismatic" and could talk you into believing the sun is purple are baffling to me. We have seen him speak, his mannerisms and heard his ridiculous voice. Who could possibly find him charismatic?
- October 13, 2010 at 8:57 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha f------ ha ha(-for my dad who dose not like swearing) and reads this every morning..I love you both
John...thank-you for starting the ball rolling and giving people a place to feel safe and not alone....
Suzanna, thank-you for staying with this, and doing the diligence's to prove that what has been said is true, with-out stories like this, people like John, myself, and I am sad to say, many others... would just be dismissed by Keith and Nancy's dog and pony show to keep everything quite. You pulled this story together in a way that I pray will wake people up, including the Brofmans girls, data, you now have more data...look at it, ....more to come the Silence is over - October 13, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Talked to someone who has watched Raniere play his late night volleyball. This person has to keep running to the restroom so Raniere doesn't see the hysterical laughing as Raniere pretends to act like a polished athlete. "it's hilarious to watch his playmates work so hard at making him look good". "the poor little old man can't jump at all and every move he makes looks so clumsy". "it's sad to see the other players pretend to play against him while being so obviously terrified of doing too well and making the Guru look as pathetic as he truly is".
- October 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM
Once again, fuck NXIVM.
- October 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM
Many many foolish people, who were and must be still looking for something, how else do you get the likes of Sir Richard Branson, Dalai Lama, and 100 million dollars away from someone, no matter how stupid you think the girls are, it's still 100 million dollars, he must be doing something to still be conning people after all these years. And oh, that's just their money, how much money is wasted on keeping people like Natalie, O'Hara, Bouchey and the Plyam quite. How many more secrets are out their that Keith and Nancy don't want people to find out about.
- October 13, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Does anyone know if Kristin Kreuk or Allison Mack really part of his young poon carousel?
- October 13, 2010 at 11:23 PM
Can you veil that picture, or place separate link to it with a warning message for the squeamish? It's seriously not appealing to look at.
- October 13, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Good luck Kristin Keeffe in your adventure. Remember those who are lair lair pants will be on fire.
You know the truth is going to come out anyway. - October 14, 2010 at 1:19 AM
OMG did VanGod not understand the book? Are you that stupid? Did you skip the chapter on "Know when to fold them"? 100 million, smartest man in the world ya right, smart as your hairy ass.
- October 14, 2010 at 1:23 AM
Another one bites the dust dude.... Love the article but could of done without the trolls hairy ass sticking out.
What a joke this little man is. I agree that it's time for daddy Bronfman to teach his girls some responsibility before they are totally broke. At this rate it will take them a couple more round with the troll brain child ideas?
Too bad Vanity Fair didn't run this in the States also but good it got the UK. Might help some of our friends across the pond save some pounds.
Might also help some America parents help their kids hold onto their trust funds. - October 14, 2010 at 1:29 AM
I agree with the earlier poster.
If Crockett(Crock-pot) is the brats TRUSTEE it is a major conflict of interest to be an attorney in any case the brats are involved in.
I've heard he's Kristin Keeffe's attorney in the Rick Ross suit and the Brats attorney in the Plyam case. Crock-pot represented the Brats in Bouchey vs Bronfman case in California until Judge Littlefield through them out on their ears. - October 14, 2010 at 1:36 AM
I'm in the process of printing up a couple hundred of the photos of vanblow reading such fine literature in bed and plan to leave a stack on the little stand next to the door at Mocha Lisa in Clifton Park so patrons can pick up a copy. If any of the NXIVM zombies grab one, they can run and get their copy autographed by the clown himself and then try to sell them on eBay.
- October 14, 2010 at 8:43 AM
When do the photos of Raniere with a ribbon tied on to his penis start hitting the net?
They were part of evidence in one of the court actions, but a judge sealed them.
Whoever has a copy: let them fly!
That might very well serve as the final nail in this guy's coffin. So you are positioned to be a hero now. Make it happen. - October 14, 2010 at 9:09 AM
Recall how the Vanguard Week tributes were sold as funds for Keith Raniere to buy new books for his library?
Well, here's what that money buys. How to win at gambling!
You could not make this shit up! - October 14, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Why is Raniere who claims to be the smartest man in the world reading such basic book on gambling. Gamblig is about statistics and statistics and since Raniere Taught himself college algebra when he was supposedly 12 years old in a very brief time he should be writing books on gambling not reading books on gambling.
People who are that brilliant know that gambling is based on simple statistical probability ...
is it possible that Raniere is a loser who wants everyone to think he is brilliant ?
Is it possible that he's an addicted gambler and it extended into commodoties which are also based on statistical probabilities.
I must be crazy for thinking such things, especially seeing that picture of him reading that book.
Please ignore my post as I must have not taken enough esp courses and didn't do enough EMs to understand why the most intelligent person with the highest IQ is reading a book that is so basic that a 15 year old with basic highschool education can understand it.
I have to go back to Nancy's school because I must be too stupid to understand why Raniere is such a loser. - October 14, 2010 at 1:18 PM
The only books Raniere reads are
how to steal money from rich people volume 25
How to manipulate people into doing things for you under the pretense of ethics volume 33
How to be a bum who gets everything for nothing volume II
How to rip off scientology and get away with it for dummies volume 99
How to put everything into other peoples names to avoid jail time volume 101
That's the only books this man reads. - October 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Oh I forgot the most important book of all.
How to manipulate women into believing you are smartest man in the world and take all their money and put them into bankruptcy after you mentally and physically abuse them volume 666 - October 14, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Got the copies of the picture. Will drop them off at Mocha Lisa about 7:45AM Friday morning.
- October 14, 2010 at 7:49 PM
About time you took donations. Let me be the first to buy Bruno a bone.
- October 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM
- Ben lives on said...
Thank you Luke it has been a long day. Something must have hit a nerve in NXIVM land as my site was under DOS attacks and was even knocked down for a while today. So yes I am accepting donations for dog food.Your donations are not tax deductible.
- October 14, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Heard the head Mormon was in town today, I am sure he had his hands full trying to keep a straight face while talking with VanGod, nasty nurse Nancy and the mother of the child who's name we know and no-one is doing a dam thing about, even a bottom feeder like Davy Crockett has to be looking at his clients, in more ways then one (see above pix and laugh) and wondering WTF "How to win a gambling" Now everyone is going to no about are next book "How to take millions from the Brofrman's and make them think it was their idea" by K. Raniere & D. Crockett with assistants by the legal eagle K. Keeffe, forward by N. Salzman
- October 14, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Apparently, VanGuard fell asleep before he finished reading the book. How else could he have lost $75 million in the commodities market?
- October 15, 2010 at 12:56 AM
OMG...How fucking embarassing is this story for everyone involved with NXIVM? If this doesn't wake the Bronfman brats up, they are truly braindead.
- October 15, 2010 at 12:59 AM
I wanna know what book VanFraud read on commodities investing.
- October 15, 2010 at 1:05 AM
How he can keep it up, he's got his gal toys running around lying that he's a God. Every last one of them know they are lying. How can they live with themselves?
They have messed my sister up real good. She's broke, no health insurance, works for peanuts for them and she defens this fucking troll. She says it's all lies they saying about him and he's be misunderstood like the Wright brothers. She's always been stupid for men who tell a good tale
Most people want to see good in the world and his inner circle gals run around and preach to the people that he is "good". They wouldn't know good if it hit them in there skinny asses.
They get you into their trainings, find out all your inner secrets and than start to put the "screws" to you and use their mind binding hokey pokey games with your brain.
Next comes the we tell you this because we love you "feedback". Really gets you fucked up. Then more pressure about your issues and why not sale your house and spend the money with us. you are worth it you know. What good is a house going to do you if your fucked up in the head (sorry we did that so we could get you to sale your fucking house)
There are still out there looking for more rich and famous people and trying to shut up the ones that want to warm people. He gets off on it money and screwing people anyway he can.
He better not go too far away from his town. You pissed off too many bikers and they not put with the smart boy crap. The troll knows what I'm saying don't you smart boy.
It can "swing" both ways dude you know what I'm saying. The brats money can't help you out of a jam with the pissed off bikers. Keep you dick out of our town and out of are sisters. We watch out for you and no black belt judo boy can save if you come.
Jness my ass, it's a hunting ground for more woman for his swing dick. - October 15, 2010 at 5:51 AM
- Becca said...
@ Anon 1:41 PM - Let us know how it goes at Mocha Lisa.
@ I am a Mormon said - Who is the head Mormon? - October 15, 2010 at 7:55 AM
Becca, as expected, they had Mocha Lisa staked out - inside and out. The are so gullible. Instead, pictures were placed in several other prominent places in Halfmoon area and near Karner Rd/Rt 20 area. They'll have to hunt around to find out where.
Another suggestion: everyone who reads John's blog here should capture the picture above and post in their own Facebook and Myspace pages and hope the thing goes viral. Vanguard and his poor followers can not stop this. The cat is out of the bag.
I'm sitting here now and several people have already picked up copies of the picture at this public location. By days end I hope to have placed the pictures at 17 locations as a public service to the sane. This is SOOOOOOOO much fun!! - October 15, 2010 at 8:32 AM
You simply must keep that picture at to top off all future posts. This epitomizes the essence of the cult and needs to be promulgated for all of perpetuity.
No children or animals were harmed by this comment, but seeing that picture is most certainly harmful to all Homosapiens.
Where on earth was this photographic gem unearthed? It indeed priceless! - October 15, 2010 at 8:39 AM
I'm one of those stupid women who believed this idiot's lies about himself. I dated him for several years and then finally wised up and got out. This was many many years before he became "Vanguard". Yes - he's quite charismatic to naive trusting women who believe what people say about themselves. Of course, once you catch on that he's just a liar and a manipulater, then the picture isn't so rosy.
What I have to laugh about is how his stories have changed over the years - his accomplishments become more grandiose, the age at which he learned his skills becomes younger and younger, etc. He's been honing his "people" skills for a long long time which is probably why he's (so far) been so effective at manipulating people. The true poster boy for Narcissitic Personality Disorder!
When someone does find and post that picture of his beribboned penis, better beware. You may be overwhelmed as he often used to boast about how large he was. And be sure to caption it as "Rupert" - the name he had given that important part of his anatomy.
Somehow that poor child needs to be rescued before he's completely messed in the head. - October 15, 2010 at 10:16 AM
"Jness my ass, it's a hunting ground for more woman for his swing dick."
Absolutely. Anyone with a half a brain could see this moron is in the "ethics game" for narcissistic ego self-gratification, use of money (without it being "legally" tied to him), and pussy. - October 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM
To Becca: The "Head Mormom" is Robert Crockett, the lawyer who is now representing (a) Gaelen's psuedo-mom, Kristin Keinst, in NXIVM's lawsuit against Rick Ross; and (b)the Bronfman sisters in their lawsuit against the Plyams. Oh,and according to the VF article, Crockett is also the new trustee for the Bronfmans' trusts.
- October 15, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Remember Roger Stone, the political operative who has helped out NXIVM in the past and who is now a political adviser to Carl Paladino? Find out what he's been up yo lately at: http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/32914/roger-stone-at-the-gay-pride-parade/
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa - October 15, 2010 at 11:21 AM
So Crockett is in Town ??
any more info on this ??
Is it true he's their Trustee ???
These people are out of their minds.
Can anyone stop them, they are abusing the legal system as much as they are abusing innocent people.
This organization is criminal enterprise.
He teaches people how to be sociopaths.
Who will be the brave one to take them down ??
Please post more pictures they are truly priceless. - October 15, 2010 at 11:37 AM
OMG I've been on a short vacation and missed this whole breaking news.
How funny is this shit. hahahahahahahahaha
Very smart of VF to send this the UK print and US web. OMG is this sold in Ireland?
Does VF have an edition in Mexico? If so it needs to get printed there.
I almost pissed myself with the picture. How to win at gambling! This guy is exposed more and more as a freak each week. What next? I don't think us readers are going to be shocked if it's computer hacking, money laundering, sexual swinging, the sky is the limit.
OK I'd be shocked if it was teenage girls or something of this nature but not much else can come out about this that would take me back.
We all know by the visous law suits there is something there. Just remember it takes the feds a long time to investigate. They don't want the little fish who have done his deeds they want the big white sharks VanGod and the Nasty Nurse - October 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM
I'm sure Raniere's legal eagle Keefe is having a field day in getting these pictures of Raniere reading gambling books of the internet.
I hope someone posts them all over albany so people can really see how Mr. Dali Lama ethics my ass hairy dude spends his time and what he's really doing with it. - October 15, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Everyone, be sure to capture a copy of this picture in the unlikely event Raniere finds a legal way to take this posting down. Hard to believe that possible in light of Vanity Fair's publication, but this image needs to be heralded from the roof tops.
- October 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM
Is he wearing a diaper under that robe? Looks like Depends to me.
- October 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM
MESSAGE TO KEITH: The VF article is just the beginning.
MESSAGE TO NANCY: It's time for you to meet with the feds.
MESSAGE TO THE NXIVM MOLE: Even though you didn't get the deal you wanted, you're going to be happy that you took the deal that was offered. And if you keep cooperating and supplying info, that deal may get even better. - October 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Raniere failed at everything except stealing money from women.
Consumer buyline failed
ESP (without bronfram money would be bankrupt)
commodity trading (we all know how that went for him)
You would think with the kind of money he had access to he would build something successful but he's just not capable of it.
A mark of a true loser. - October 15, 2010 at 4:46 PM
To the former girlfriend above..again, I'm sorry, but I just don't see this supposed charisma or charm or people skills or anything remotely resembling an interesting person. He's about as masculine as a limp wrist and has an annoying voice that really grates on you.
- October 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM
I have from good source that there is a mole inside NXIVM and that they are closer and closer to being exposed for the thugs that they are. However it does seem that Nancy is the one that they are looking at the most right now because everything is in her name.
There is alot of attention about Keefe because of the kid.
I think there will be some arrests in the very near future.
I hope they don't pull a Jones Town Koolaid and all go bye bye.
On second thought I hope they do pull off a Jones Town but I prey don't give any to the kid.
Raniere if you are reading this the walls are closing in !!
There is very little you can do but Nurse Nancy can still save herself. I don't think she can save her daughter though...that one's in deep shit. - October 15, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Do you think VanGod has the balls and the Bronfman Brats have enough money to take on Vanity Fare and sue them?
He didn't have the balls to take on Forbes. Most likely VanGod used the excuse "You have to pick your battles" bull shit. Really his just a chicken shit to get in with the big boys as he knows he is limited in intelligence to take on such a big fish as VF or Forbes.
VanGod's a bully and will only take on people he thinks he can get away with his bully bull shit behavior. He's not a risk taker nor smart enough to take on VF legal team.
Like I said he's a chicken shit = BULLY
He's not out to win in court cause he doesn't and he can't. He's just out to feel in control like any other abuser.
Law suits give him a sense of control and the Bronfman brats pay his legal bills. Paying for his abuse makes them just as guilty.
VanGod also has his "Gang of Stalker"; He's got his 2nd in command Nasty Nurse Nancy, his inner circle who not only stock for him but serve themselves up for his sexual deviant needs, (which fulfills their own deviant needs), he also his lawyers and the Bronfman Brats making up this Gang.
It's all done without VanGod doing any of it directly that will ever be known. His closest gals spread his word and do his deed. (not his seed which means there is a God)
This is called "Stalking by Proxy".
Gang Stalking is both an addictive behavior as well as a form of entertainment for the stalkers. Some do it for the attention they get from the Master Stalker or his high raking members. This has its own set of problems, they are dependent on this for their self-esteem.
This is the nature of Gang Stalking, it is a bottomless pit and the stalkers thirsts, evermore, for greater and greater thrills.
To the perpetrators, their targets are merely their prey, in a game that never ends. But make no mistake, whatever the reasoning behind it; this is a vicious and calculated hate crime.
This is one reason that VanGod needs to be stopped.
The group that has been "stalked" the worse (you know who you are) should hire a good attorney and sue the asses off VanGod, Nasty Nurse and the Bronfman Brats who fund his ability to Stalk.
More to come on this subject - October 15, 2010 at 6:03 PM
I agree with the last post except the part about not being a risk taker.
Raniere is a massive risk taker but his risks always loose. I.E. 65 million in the commodity market, suing rick ross, etc, etc. Gambling,
It's part of what makes a sociopath.
Otherwise great post. - October 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Is there really an investigation into NXIVM camp ?
Is there a mole ??
anymore info on this ??
Will Salzman be forced to take her wig off when they come after her ?? - October 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM
"I agree with the last post except the part about not being a risk taker."
You can't be a risk taker when you are always putting something that does not belong to you on the line - for example, someone else's (the Bronfman brats) money, because you're not willing to lose anything that belongs to you, whether that is something tangible like money you earned, or something intangible, like the trust of another person as sociopaths just use people for their own self-serving needs due to their lack of a conscience.
"To the perpetrators, their targets are merely their prey, in a game that never ends. But make no mistake, whatever the reasoning behind it; this is a vicious and calculated hate crime."
Only http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm could have said what you did better. Here is a snippet:
In short, the psychopath - and the narcissist to a lesser extent - is a predator. If we think about the interactions of predators with their prey in the animal kingdom, we can come to some idea of what is behind the "mask of sanity" of the psychopath. Just as an animal predator will adopt all kinds of stealthy functions in order to stalk their prey, cut them out of the herd, get close to them and reduce their resistance, so does the psychopath construct all kinds of elaborate camoflage composed of words and appearances - lies and manipulations - in order to "assimilate" their prey.
This leads us to an important quesion: what does the psychopath REALLY get from their victims? It's easy to see what they are after when they lie and manipulate for money or material goods or power. But in many instances, such as love relationships or faked friendships, it is not so easy to see what the psychopath is after. Without wandering too far afield into spiritual speculations - a problem Cleckley also faced - we can only say that it seems to be that the psychopath ENJOYS making others suffer. Just as normal humans enjoy seeing other people happy, or doing things that make other people smile, the psychopath enjoys the exact opposite.
Thus, the ridiculously long, entangled web of lawsuits that NXIVM under the direction of Vanfraud persistently engages in to drive their enemies into bankruptcy or to the insane asylum. - October 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM
NXIVM seems to be using The Church of Scientology tactics using the legal system to harass and bully fallen members and people who impede the progress of the NXIVM movement.
It clearly is not an ethical or noble way to behave, but he sells himself as if he is both.
I agree with 5:57 poster, VanGod is a chicken shit. He didn't take on Forbes and will not take on VF. This proves that Lafayette Ronald "L. Ron" Hubbard founder of The Church of Scientology is more intelligent, more successful and has much bigger ball than the genius in his own mind VanGod.
This is going to happen to NXIVM next
"According to a U.S. District Court Memorandum of Decision in 1993,(Scientologists)NXIVM "have abused the federal court system by using it, inter alia, to destroy their opponents, rather than to resolve an actual dispute over trademark law or any other legal matter. This constitutes 'extraordinary, malicious, wanton, and oppressive conduct.' ... It is abundantly clear that plaintiffs sought to harass the individual defendants and destroy the church defendants through massive over-litigation and other highly questionable litigation tactics. The Special Master has never seen a more glaring example of bad faith litigation than this."
In the years since its inception, the Church of Scientology's lawsuits filed against newspapers, magazines, government agencies (including the United States tax collecting unit, the IRS) and individuals have numbered in the thousands.
In 1991, Time magazine estimated that the Church spends an average of about $20 million per year on various legal actions, and it is the exclusive client of several law firms.
No wonder VanGod needs the Bronfman brats money. What will he do when their father says no more?
VanGod does not uphold anything Nobel or Ethical. He abuses our legal system and attempting to destroy those who left the Great and Powerful VanFraud because his boy wonder cover was blown.
"Critics state that the ultimate aim of Scientology NXIVM lawsuits is to destroy church (NXIVM) opponents by forcing them into bankruptcy (6 that I know of with NXIVM) or submission (God only know this # that don't do anything) , using its resources to pursue frivolous lawsuits at considerable cost to defendants."
This sound just like what NXIVM is doing? What a joke this little pretend monk is. He does not have an original idea in his tiny little brain (which I heard was smaller than his tiny little dick).
His followers don't even have a clue what this perker head is up to. They must think it's a sin to take in "DATA" if the "DATA" speaks out against VanGod. I thought they were taught that they could take in any data as they are such evolved thinkers. What a pile of cow shit.
I wish VanGod a very short life for what he has done to my family. That is unless he goes to prison than I hope he has a long life with Bubba as his cell mate and boyfriend who is even more deviant than the pretend monk. - October 15, 2010 at 8:11 PM
My comment about "risk taking" refers to risk vs. loss VanGod losing over 70 million (with all his losses from many people in commodities )a risk. He has nothing to lose.
He knew the brats and others would bail him out.
It's like me going to a casino and putting 20.00 into a slot machine. It's not going to be the end of the world if I walk out 2 minutes later 20.00 short in my wallet.
He's a chicken shit to really risk it all on getting into a legal battle with the big boys. He picks on the smaller kids in the play ground.
This is a BULLY in my book - October 15, 2010 at 8:30 PM
Tools of Mind Control:
1. Control environment: Loved ones are cut off from family, no communication.
2. Break down sense of self: Break down their sense of self-esteem, literally attack them as individuals on the basis that they are wrong and that the group is right.
3. Instill new sense of identity: New identity is reinforced by the group environment, where you get no feedback except from other members who tell you that they understand the right behavior and the right way of being.
4. Isolate: Cut off from outside world. Fear keeps them trapped inside the environment of the group.
Warning Signs of a Potentially Harmful Group/Leader:
1. Totalitarian: Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. Little tolerance: No place for questions or critical inquiry.
3. Unreasonable fears: Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
4. Never good enough: Followers feel they can never be good enough. i.e. take another 5,000 advanced training
5. No reason to leave: Former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. - October 15, 2010 at 8:40 PM
People Who Are Vulnerable to Mind Control:
People who have been brainwashed come from all walks of life, regardless of education, social status, family background and/or intelligence. However, the people who are more vulnerable to mind control are those going through a difficult time in life and/or a transition:
1. Recently divorced
2. Illness
3. Personal tragedy
4. Career failure
5. Away from home for the first time - October 15, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Warning Signs of a Brainwashed Victim:
1. Obsessive: Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Dependency: Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought, a seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
3. Agrees with group: Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
4. Loss of spontaneity: A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
5. Isolation: Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. - October 15, 2010 at 8:43 PM
How to Avoid Mind Control:
"Don't be naïve. You can protect yourself from unsafe groups and leaders by developing a good BS detector. Check things out, know the facts and examine the evidence. A safe group will be patient with your decision-making process. If a group or leader grows angry and anxious just because you want to make an informed and careful decision before joining; beware," . - October 15, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Hey Keith
Can I catch a ride with you to the Racino?
Oh that's right. You don't have a drivers license. - October 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM
"There is very little you can do but Nurse Nancy can still save herself. I don't think she can save her daughter though...that one's in deep shit."
Can you explain what this means? About her daughter...
If details can't be given, maybe a vague, but useful answer. - October 15, 2010 at 11:24 PM
It appears that Raniere even copied the law firm of Latham and Watkins where their L.A. attorney Robert Crockett is based.
http://abovethelaw.com/church-of-scientology-scientologists/ - October 16, 2010 at 3:29 AM
The word from an unidentified former RPI student who knew Raniere says the poor fellow flunked the written test for a NYS Driver's License and then ran back near tears and was apparently too embarrassed to ever retake the test. Guess it's an IQ problem.
Yes a former class mate has been located, but that person is very reluctant to say much more right now. - October 16, 2010 at 8:28 AM
- Becca said...
He failed the written part of the NYS DL test? Man, now that is news. You should have heard how the higher ups portrayed Raniere's lack of driving. 'Oh, he doesn't need a lot of things, (meaning a car).' 'He walks everywhere. Miles every day.' 'He just doesn't see the purpose of a car.' Good lord!
- October 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Hopefully these articles and pictures will get the attention of someone in the criminal division of New York to investigate the fraud that this man has been pulling over the eyes of his victims for the last god only knows how many years. Raniere has alot of skeletons in his closet and one day they will come out.
- October 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM
As a human who knows what it means to be empathetic to another, you almost have to feel sorry for the guy. He's created his own little vacuous world of unreal grandiose self-accomplishments and fake relationships to elevate - ironically - his own lack of self-esteem.
But then you wonder if the guy even knows what it means to actually "feel sorry for someone" and whether pity to him is just an emotion "to be used" to deal with his own frustration of not getting what he wants.
It's like an oxymoron of human emotions for the outside observer, and can be quite the conundrum. - October 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Here's your one chances, nope never mind, you lost all of your chances. Time to pull the plug because none of you ever know when to stop
- October 16, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Do you think that The Vancouver Sun (Vancouver B.C. Canada) will do a cover story on NXIVM.
The Nasty Nurse Nancy is in Vancouver BC at the Grand Opening of the Vancouver BC NXIVM Center today.
Someone needs to send the Sun the Vanity Fair article. Vancouver needs to know all sides of this program so everyone who signs up for a class can make an informed decision on what they are signing up for. - October 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM
Hey Raniere, check out what this girl is doing at the age 23:
She spoke at "The Do Lectures" back in September "when she announced that her ambition was to feed, house and clothe all the other 80 million orphans worldwide."
That's what you call "doing" something ethical: talking the talk and walking the walk. Hey Bronfman brats, maybe you should have spent your money helping her out instead letting a con-man blow through $100 million dollars. - October 16, 2010 at 8:58 PM
"The Nasty Nurse Nancy is in Vancouver BC at the Grand Opening of the Vancouver BC NXIVM Center today."
I hope some moles can inform us about who attended the ceremony. For example, which members of the entertainment sector that NXIVM so desperately wants to seek inroads into, are still part of this dubious organization. - October 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Oh, and here's a link of a video about Maggie you can watch:
Listen to it and see what she did with $5000 dollars of her own money. These are the type of people who change the world. - October 16, 2010 at 10:24 PM
I heard VanGod say in a talk that feeding hungry people would create a problem by creating more hungry mouths to feed due to the hungry people having more babies.
He said them die from starvation and they cannot have any more babies. Harsh in deed, I left right ESP/NXIVM right after he said that. Not a person I wanted to learn anything from.
Since the Brats believe what he says, there is no way the Brats would help anyone with such a program that actually helps people. They are too busy helping their VanGod and his merry crew of sheep.
We all know how famous VanGod is for what he does that is so wonderful in the world. Hum, nothing. - October 16, 2010 at 10:28 PM
Ridicule and spite are just as much a part of the bully's toolkit as any other. While they may give you a temporary relieve in venting your ire, bilk, and foil, they never produce any type of sustainable achievement or progress. If you want to convince somebody, be factual and rational, yet fair and considerate, differentiating and actively looking at all the possible angles. Only in such a manner can the necessary environment for exchange with an atmosphere of at least developing trust and open-mindedness be created; and it is only in such a setting that conflicts can be resolved, solutions found, and knowledge gained.
It lies in the nature of conflicts that there is never but one side that's right; in the nature of knowledge that only through exchange, comparison, and thus diversification and syntheses can understanding be gained. If the one, to other, or both sides resort to deriding and challenging the other, tricking and using people left and right, then there will never be comprehension, never be compassion, and ultimately no ethical resolution and joining of minds for a productive peace and coexistence. Good arguments convince by themselves and require neither ridicule and spite nor any other form of deception, goading, or coaxing.
Any bullying, accusing categorically and indiscriminately, and attacking without due and differentiated consideration of the others' position, reason, motivations, understanding, and ultimately existence even, literally passing summary judgement based but on generalisations and the true actions of a few, while disregarding any implications thereof, is death and destruction to the very principles you set out to defend. By acting in such a obsessed manner, you lose the very essence of who you are, what you stand for, and what change you might want to see in the world at large as well as your little corner of it.
'Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.' (Confucius) - October 17, 2010 at 3:08 AM
You ex-NXVIM brats on here need to stop whining about how Keith let you down or didn't limit his lust to you or didn't live up to his ideals or whatever. You are NOT sympathertic characters.
Instead, you were emotional weaklings that STILL seem to hold affection for some aspects of the cult and its teachings and an inability to realize you were duped, right up front from Day One.
Your self-analysis of your personal shortcomings is your issue, not ours. We really do not care.
Get on with life, and start by DOING THE RIGHT THING!
MAKE A DETAILED LIST of each and every instance of possible wrongdoing you witnessed. This might be fraud, hiding money or not reporting it (tax evasion), slander, pyramid schemes, libel, dirty tricks, rape, abuse, violence, extortion or more.
Get out of your selfish little world -- and do the world a favor. HELP BRING DOWN NXIVM.
No less is asked of you. - October 17, 2010 at 8:48 AM
There is not going to be a large amount of information regarding criminal activity. Most of what NXIVM does (with perhaps the moving of currency across international borders) is not really illegal activity. Convincing outwardly sane individuals to give their money for questionably beneficial services is not illegal, albeit very stupid. It's not a crime to take adantage of gullible people -- religions do it every day!
The way to bring NXIVM down is to continue to expose the nonsense of it's teachings. There could be a claim of a pyramid scheme, but I think Raniere learned his lesson from his truly criminal ways with Consumer Buy Line some time back and he won't repeat that. A business model is only a pyramid scheme if it can be shown the focus is on recruitment of people to pay to participate as opposed to the sale of goods or services. NXIVM and ESP do seem to have a demonstrable focus on selling their training services and other "counseling/coaching" and that recruitment is secondary. Those recruited seem to not have to pay for the right to "sell" services to others, although they do have to purchase advanced training, but that is clearly not illegal.
Could they be accused of selling coffee and other incidental food items without a suitable license or collecting sales tax? Perhaps, but then just about every office would be similarly guilty of providing coffee or allowing employees to run a "coffee pool", effectively "selling" coffee, etc. If NXIVM is guilty of that offense, then so is passing out an Avon catalog at the office and soliciting sales.
Again, the way to bring NXIVM and ESP down is to expose the nonsense which is their product so that new gullible people are not brought in to spend money. Businesses mostly fail when they don't have customers willing to purchase the product/service. Eventually, even the apparently brain dead Bronfman sisters will tire of the nonsense and drift off to something else.
John is providing the public a very valuable service here to continue to draw out the truth about Raniere, Salzman, and the entire NXIVM/ESP myth and educate and inform the public of this sophisticated con.
A cool way to help educate the public would be to erect billboards near the Karner Road and soon to be "clubhouse" on Rt. 9 next to the new Fred the Butcher building in Halfmoon. A simple message such as "NXIVM & ESP is a Cult" would go a long way toward that end and would do more harm than publishing pictures of Raniere with ribbons tied onto his person (although that is very funny and does help expose he is not what he claims to be).
Rock on, John!!!!!! - October 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Interesting choice of Moniker, Macumazahn. That name refers to an Indian name given to Allan Quartermain in the classic novel, King Solomon's Mine by H. Rider Haggard. The swagger of the language used in the post is very reminiscent of Raniere's own writings..... In the referenced novel, Macumazahn is described as meaning "Watcher-by-night", a reference to the characters night activities and "keen instincts", a description Raniere's considerable ego might assign to himself.........
Also, passages from this post can be found almost verbatim in the obscure 2005 book titled, "Critical Thinking: a Concise Guide", by Tracy Bowell & Gary Kemp.
Hmmmmmmm........ - October 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM
You should pose in a similar setting, etc. as Raniere and you could do so reading different books. Would clearly add some additional humor to the blog.... - October 17, 2010 at 10:32 AM
"It's not a crime to take adantage of gullible people -- religions do it every day!"
Religion and cults are not alike, and only the arrogant implicitly assume they know everything about the mentality of those who follow a religion to paint them all under the same brush of being "gullible".
See http://www.factnet.org/ - October 17, 2010 at 10:37 AM
To I am not your baby sitter.
Are you not behaving the way you are accusing us of doing. You want us to move on with our lives and "get a life". Right back at ya"
If you don't like the writing of the blog, go read or write your own blog and stop whining about poster on the blog. - October 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM
Anyone who falls for the tenets of any false belief system and gives money or their valuable time is indeed gullible. Since all religions differ, they can not all be correct, OR, more likely, NONE of them are correct I profess that anyone contributing to their local Catholic church who will use some if that money to pay off victims of clergy child abuse are no better than Raniere's followers who support his fanning addiction. At least, Raniere is not sexually abusing children or covering up for those that do.
- October 17, 2010 at 1:59 PM
"Since all religions differ, they can not all be correct, OR, more likely, NONE of them are correct..."
Sorry, but your latter conclusion does not logically follow from your premise. One can indeed be correct and this determination has no dependency upon the idea that religions differ.
"to their local Catholic church who will use some if that money to pay off victims of clergy child abuse are no better than Raniere's followers who support his fanning addiction"
Then you have a warped way of looking at things, because people who give to the Church don't expect their money to go to covering up transgressions of a few of its members.
It seems like you are trying to group religion under the same umbrella as Raniere's cult, and in that, you have only revealed your prejudice towards it. The real question is, why are you attempting to make such an association? - October 17, 2010 at 3:25 PM
3:25 PM sound just like VanGod or one of his brain wash goons. Blah Blah Blah.
Next he will be asking John for his own donate button so he can earn his value of wisdom he is adding to this blog.
All I have to say is go screw yourself or one of you girl toys. - October 17, 2010 at 4:29 PM
I like most your posting on this site and Rick Ross forums.
What you are saying here must come from Pollyanna with her rose colored glasses on. Do you really think this is the way to approach this situation.
What you say does have value and the world would be a much better place if we could all act in such a manner.
The problem with what you are proposing in this situation is it will not work. It takes two people or groups with like mindedness that agree how want to behave and are committed to an morally ethical resolution, that such a resolution could take place.
Building such a world you speak about is what the Great and Power Raniere promises he has the skills to teach people when selling his program. This is what I believe people sign up for when taking his classes.
It would appear that Raniere is just a little too distracted with what I consider deviant sexual activities, gambling other people money away, how to get the money to gambel and his vicious law suits to practice what he preaches.
When others have attempted point out questionable behavior within NXIVM it would appear that the leadership is not open to others "reality" and that he himself is not open to the feedback.
If I understand correctly, 9 woman met with Raniere for 3 days (totally 12 hours of meeting time) to address their concerns. At the end of these 3 days, all nine women resigned from NXIVM. This in itself says a great deal. I have heard two sides to the meetings.
1.Raniere stated in a community meeting the 9 woman were hostile in angry and then attempted to extort money from Raniere and Salzman.
2.That Raniere never address their concerns and the 3 days were ran around by Raniere. Upon resigning they asked for money they were owed which they had knowledge that Raniere will not just pay because it's the right thing to do. Asking for what is owed is hardly extortion.
Now who is telling the truth? I hear there are video tapes of these meetings and if they were exposed we would all know the truth of what really happened in these meetings.
Since none of the woman have been arrested for extortion it would make sense that after 18 months that this was told to influence members still within NXIVM opinion of the 9 that left and to set an example to not do the same thing.
After leaving NXIVM 1 of the 9, Bouchey has spent a great deal of time and money in court in a battle with Raniere, Salzman Sara and Clare Bronfman.
There is a rumor that NXIVM has now come into 2 more bankruptcies out of the 9 woman who left. I do not have evidence of this, yet but it would complete what seems like a pattern of Raniere.
Are NXIVM and its leadership behaving in a way that would be a model for what Macumazahn is suggesting? It seems like this is Raniere and Salzman are selling? It appears that what Raniere and Salzman sale and what they do are two different things which smacks of consumer fraud to me.
Due to the way Raniere is behaving within the legal system (read the court documents people) he has more options at taking down his so called opponents because of how it appears he abuses the legal system. - October 17, 2010 at 4:50 PM
The internet is full of ways to harass people by using our tax dollars and our court systems. Scientology appears to have been using this tactic for years and Raniere has copied it from them.
One has to question if Raniere is acting with ethically morel, humanitarian, civil behavior to reach an ethical resolution and as Macumazahn puts it "the joining of minds for a productive peace and coexistence".
If Raniere was this way he would pay people what they were owed, practice what he preaches and sells. If this was reality none of this battling would exist.
Who the hell wants to "join" Raniere's mind?
It appears some do as they stay with him even when exposed to pretty damming evidence that he is not what he and others sell.
Raniere's followers sell his mind as one thing but when one digs just a little deeper than what they are just told, it is easy to see that what is sold is not what he is.
Macumazahn, if you are so smart and have all the answers why not get off your high horse and see if you can help the great and powerful Raniere be the man he sells to others?
When one lies or does not disclose damming information, he and his followers have the upper hand. When one can convince a group of others to lie for him as it appears he has, they have an advantage over anyone who would just wait around for the resolution you suggest.
You can sit at your desk in your house, read your books and write the words that you do because you are not really involved directly in this.
I don't think you really understand the "players" or the mind of Raniere. If you really study the "mind" of Raniere you would see how the ideas you present about how to solve this situation will not work.
Only when dealing with reasonably good minded people will what you suggest work. It is my opinion that Raniere is not acting in good faith so there is no way to bring any resolution to the situation by acting noble.
If Raniere is following the ideas of Scientology his goal isn't really even to win in court, it is only to harass and torture people. Is this the mind that has the ability to do what you are suggesting? I think not.
Who wants to pay to learn anything from a man who spends his time and resources covering up his behavior of what many people consider sexual deviancy, gambling addiction, legal harassment and fleeing people with good intention? I'm sure there are some out there who would love to learn from this man but what many are signing up for is not really what goes on behind the scene of the NXIVM training.
Raniere is out to protect himself from being exposed for what his real values are. If people knew up front his real values they would not buy his program. Unfortunately the only way to have people know what Raniere values are is by exposing him. Many people sign up for classes based on their friends opinions.
Some don't even Google before buying. Some are told the tales of how everything that is being said about Raniere is a lie.
It is explained that Raniere is like Galileo, who was met with bitter opposition from some philosophers and clerics, and eventually it was found out that he was really a smart guy ahead of his time. They believe that this will happen with Raniere.
What a crock of shit. Raniere is being exposed for his values not his "scientific" belief of some way out there theory that just isn't provable at this time.
In exposing him some people will suffer in the court systems because of the way Raniere and his follower behave. It is just the way the world works right now.
Macumazahn, if I was at war I would not want you in my foxhole, it would be both our graves.
No amount of idealism can win this type of war. If you want to really help you have to get off your high horse in see the "reality" of the situation. It was more helpful when your work was exposing the mind of someone like Raniere than your Pollyanna wisdom. - October 17, 2010 at 4:50 PM
- Becca said...
@ I Am Not A Babysitter said
A) I do care. I do sympathize.
B) Own your feelings - ie speak for yourself.
C) Back off. - October 17, 2010 at 5:00 PM
I have absolutely nothing to do with NXIVM or Raniere. I was actually defending religion against cult labels by pointing out the differences between the two. It is common knowledge that Raniere, being an atheist who takes his own desires as his god, will do and say anything that is self-serving. His behavior has exemplified that self-preservation and satisfaction of his own whims is the only code of "ethics" he lives by. - October 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM
I still agree this Macum poster is really Raniere.
- October 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Saratoga is in decline... and Nixum isn't the reason. They may be an interesting side story, a circus of stupidity, but there is a real story that real saratogians care about in the budget, and you aren't saying $%^& about it.
- October 17, 2010 at 6:23 PM
There's a thread about NXIVM at the main anti-Scientology protest site, WhyWeProtest.net and the photo of Raniere in bed has been posted.
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/should-we-raid-nxivm-72274/#post1338393 - October 17, 2010 at 7:11 PM
John, dude you are at 99 post. Is this a record. There is a God and the Vanity Fair article is proof. Thanks again John for all your help at exposing this scum bag.
Sorry for taking away from the Saratoga political people. I know there are matters out there that you want John to cover.
If John makes time for this on this on the blog we can still post on his last post about the creepy guy. - October 17, 2010 at 7:27 PM
This Macumazahn person has posted several times on a Kristin Kreuk forum in a thread about NXIVM. He does seem to know an awfully lot about the manipulative nature of cults, and since Raniere seems to be a clever sociopath, I wouldn't put it past him to take on such a false and seemingly contradictory persona in this time of negative publicity that surrounds NXIVM, if she has gotten wind of it and has decided no longer to partake in the group. Kristin Kreuk is drop dead gorgeous, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was effectively a main prey of his. Since he could never approach her forthright because she has a boyfriend and other obvious reasons, it would not surprise me if he manipulated others to get her to join the group, keep her in it, attempt to recruit her parents, open up a center in Vancouver to make inroads there to do so, etc.
- October 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM
Today's established religions were at one time cults. The only true difference between religion and a cult is that the former have simply become acceptable in the mainstream. Christianity would have certainly been viewed as a cult by the established Judiaism and Romans in the first century. In the time of Martin Luther his teachings were described as a cult by The Church of Rome.
- October 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM
to 9:05 it is not what the "group" is called it is what the group does.
VanGod has not proven himself in the world as a great man. At 50 years old his time is running out. So far he's a failure at anything great.
He has lied to his followers and does not allow for full disclose of his values or the values of Salzman.
He and his followers sell him as some great man when he's just a really great con man who might seen to not really cares about anyone but himself. It appears that people are just his toys.
Only in his mind and the mind of his followers he is "great". If he was to be open to what he does with his time and money the world would be appalled.
I think what Christ and Martin Luther King did for the world and what VanGod is doing is very different. Your compassion is stupid and it appears that you are brain washed into believing the Galileo story about the Great and Powerful VanGod.
I don't think Martin Luther King was hiding what he did behind closed doors. I don't think he lied to his followers. I don't think he was a sexual deviant. I don't think he gambled his followers family money away. Sure he might not of been a perfect man but I don't see VanGod doing a modern day civil rights movement. You are a fool if you believe this to be true.
How about you try to convince us with someone great in history who's values match VanGod. Sexual deviant, gambles millions of his followers money and loses it (more than once), lies about his accomplishments, lies to woman about their relationship status, allows his inner circle to abuse his followers and will do anything short of killing someone to try to keep their mouth shut when they share what they know.
Is NXIVM a cult? Who care what you want to call it. It's what he does in the world that matters. So far I have seen nothing great but see a lot of destruction. VanGod seems to fools a lot of people into believing he is different than what he produces in the world.
How about an open talk by NXIVM leadership and some of the fallen followers. That would be a great event. Maybe we can get the Dalai Lama to come be the referee. I'd pay to see that. - October 17, 2010 at 10:02 PM
"Today's established religions were at one time cults."
Umm...no. The term "cult" was introduced in the 20th century, and so there can be no application of it previous to that time period.
It's quite clear how cults are differentiated from mainstream religion by the previously posted website http://www.factnet.org.
"Christianity would have certainly been viewed as a cult by the established Judiaism and Romans in the first century."
Not really. Christians didn't exist (Nazarenes were the early followers of Jesus), and were considered heretics by the Pharisees, the Jewish priests of the temple, following a false prophet. The Romans were pagans themselves and wouldn't have cared unless they tried to commit an act of sedition against their worldly authority. In that case, they would have simply been called rebels.
Individual acceptance of the semantic gobbledygook that is prevalent in Raniere's writings works only under the manipulation of mind altering thought coercive techniques, not across the internet. Sorry. - October 17, 2010 at 10:11 PM
With whom are you at war? With NXIVM as a whole? With those who've joined NXIVM and believe in what has been taught to them? With the very few who knowingly behave against their own teachings? With Raniere and his innermost circle? If you wage but total war on NXIVM, how do you differentiate? How do you ensure that you don't harm those who might not have anything consciously to do with what you hold 'NXIVM' responsible for, the innocents in this 'war'? If you battle without mercy or consideration, how does that not stress the erroneous assumption that all non-espians are alike in their unethical ways? By throwing all nxians into one pot, without bearing in mind their believes and source thereto, without considering how they've been taught to view NXIVM, don't you risk losing the very war you think you are fighting; failing the very principles that might have driven you to wage it; impairing your own 'victory' through tightening your 'enemy's' ranks by pushing those generalised 'followers' closer together by your indiscriminate attack on their 'camp'; and ultimately risk becoming bitter and hardened, lacking mercy and compassion, devoid of principles and reason? Why fight if in the end all you fought for is destroyed and has become meaningless, leaving you but in desolation, both outside and inside?
Some of us may indeed be high-minded and see this not as a 'war', but as an ultimately constructive dialogue to reach mutual agreement among people who believe that the world could be a better place. We may have different opinions and diverse approaches, have been taught and know varied teachings – and doesn't that make us stronger as a collective, as humanity living on this world, once we start exchanging and learning from each other? Don't we ultimately believe in the same basic principles of honourable and decent conduct to ensure said peaceful coexistence? To us, those who view this as their personal battlegrounds to achieve their individual goals and satisfy their personal needs, are but equally destructive, never mind which 'side' they're on. We may want to look, not at opposing entities, but at the people therein individually, understand their motivations and backgrounds, try to learn from each other, and in the end create knowledge as a whole that is far larger than the sum-total of its parts. If Raniere rightly stands to his ethical vision, he will eventually join in such open dialogue and allow the nxians to do the same; it's but a matter of transparent accountability and taking responsibility for the principles one stands for.
Maybe I am a blue-eyed kid, looking at the world with wide-eyed curiosity and a craving for knowledge and wisdom, seeing everything with compassion and an inherent optimism, who knows? It's certainly a lot more enjoyable than being bitter and angry, all 'grown-up' and 'serious' all the time, adhering to limited concepts of permanent 'pragmatism' and 'reason' without passion, and thus giving up dreams and hopes, ultimately being devoid of vision and hence any chance to continuously develop and evolve further. At the end of the day, I will be able to look back on my life without regret; be able to stand to my actions and say, I've done what I believe in, acted as I knew was right, behaved with honour, and treated others by the same standards I would like to see all treated; know that I've not thrown all blindly generalising into a single pot, but treated each and every one fair and according to their true actions and in consideration of their truthful underlying motivations. I wouldn't want to look back and have to admit that I've persecuted those who in the end proved to be innocent after all; attacked carelessly and simplifying for my own gains, for some strategy, or simply since it seemed faster and easier than to consider each individually and seek to understand them and their motivations. If we don't act by the very principles we stand for, then in what value do we really hold them; and in the end, what are we worth ourselves? What do we honestly live for and believe in then? - October 17, 2010 at 10:14 PM
- Ben lives on said...
I have been enjoying the conversation as much as anyone and will leave it up till The Tuesdays night city council meeting. Then I will have a post about the city. Unless of course something breaks.
- October 17, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Becca and other former admirers of Rupert,
Put up or hush up. Otherwise, turn somewhere else for your "recovery" process.
Here: I'll make that process easy, fast and inexpessive for you: Your emotional shoprtcomings and weaknesses were taken advantage of. You are obviously on your way out of that hole, seemingly having turned that page in your life. Good for you, that is a very positive thing. Now, get over it and just move on.
BUT: you should feel obligated (as the final act of that closure) to help stop Rupert's boss from taking advantage of others. Fight back, exact your revenge. Anger can be a very useful emotion. Use it well.
To those that say "it's not illegal to dupe dumb/needy people": of course not. I know that, we all know that.
But let's cut right to the chase. The single most common legal tool that has always been used to bring down organized crime operations is TAX EVASION.
So, there is your task, ex-Espians. You've surely witnessed money moving from one place to another place, from this person to that person. You've no doubt witnessed wages being paid in cash. You've no doubt seen seminar money beging paid in cash, or checks made out to individuals instead of a company. You've no doubt seen company funds being used to pay for personal expenses and living costs. And so on and so forth.
Get to work. Make lists. Name names.
It will do you wonders; much better than rambling on and on in here. - October 17, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Never implied the word cult existedin the first century, but rather that early Christianity would have fit the definition of a cult as we use the term today.
Also, reference was to the German Martin Luther who began Protestantism and formed what became the Lutheran Church. NOT the 20th Century civil-rights leader Martin Luther KING.
Cults also do not require a religious foundation. To date NXIVM has not taken on the garb of a religion despite Raniere has certainly positioned himself as a god of sorts and wishes to be worshipped by his devotees. - October 17, 2010 at 11:27 PM
Macumazahn is not Raniere, IMO. He's much smarter and writes much better than Keith does. Calm down. I've had several side bar conversations with him and I don't believe he has anything to do with Nxivm. He has many posts on the Rick Ross website.
- October 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM
I'm curious to know what Macumazahn's motivation is.
- October 18, 2010 at 12:11 PM
- Becca said...
Does anyone know of any updates re Barbara Bouchey hiring a new lawyer?
- October 18, 2010 at 2:42 PM
- Becca said...
@ I Am Not A Babysitter said...
re all that unasked for 'advice:' I don't take tips from anonymous, angry bullies who unceremoniously vomit their baggage on others. - October 18, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Bravo Becca
- October 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM
There are already 178 people who have indicated, on the Vanity Fair website, that they like the article about NXIVM. If you want to register the fact that you like it too, just go to
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/11/bronfman-201011 - and click on the "Like" button at the bottom of the page. - October 18, 2010 at 4:05 PM
At the bottom of the Vanity Fair article is a place for comments. We need to not only forward this story to everyone via Facebook, email and every other form of social media, but post our thoughts on the Vanity Fair site under comments. The families of people in NXIVM in and around the world need to see this, people in Mexico, Vancouver, Canada, Ireland may not see John's blog (silly them) but may look at the VF website and read the comments, so post away people are work is still not done.
- October 18, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Mac is not Raniere, I've had the pleasure of talking to him face to face.
- October 18, 2010 at 6:37 PM
ranieri should take notes.
the spiel is the same as nexium. multilevelmarketing, nlp, mind control techniques all here. - October 18, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Then please tell us what is his motivation? Does he have family in NXIVM? Was he in a cult before? - October 18, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Why do you need to know his motivation? Every person on this blog doesn't post their motivation. What's yours? That would be up to him to post. Not someone else.
- October 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM
@ anon 9.31pm
I think he is best placed to respond to that. Just wanted to stop any unnecessary paranoia about MacRaniere :) - October 19, 2010 at 9:26 AM
"Why do you need to know his motivation? Every person on this blog doesn't post their motivation. What's yours?"
Curiosity sake.
Mine is a woman I care about was in it, I believe the inner circle doesn't practice what it preaches, but even worse than the latter, they are unethical and hypocritical to the extreme because they preach about ethics, and they need to be exposed and brought down for exploiting the sincere for their own motives.
Is that enough motivation for you? - October 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM
becca, although his or her style is a bit crude, there is a nugget of truth in what Babysitter is saying. would you not agree?
- October 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM
My own motivation is the cult's agressive expansionnism, we already have the Scientology crap in here, I don't want one more.
- October 19, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Vanity fair article link has made it to Forbes
http://billionaires.forbes.com/article/00vpeQs8Qy0Fd?q=billionaire+OR+billionaires+OR+billionaire%27s - October 20, 2010 at 4:59 AM
The Vanity Fair article appear to have gone viral. This is a good story leading up to the VF article.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/19/seagram-heiresses-sara-and-clare-bronfman-in-legal-fight-involving-cult/ - October 20, 2010 at 5:01 AM


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