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Hey, folks! We need to figure out the relationship between Minneapolis, St. Paul (or should it be Saint Paul?), and the Twin Cities] page. Otherwise, we're going to continue having the situation we have now -- duplicate information on all the pages. I have a couple of ideas:
Any ideas? I don't know the Twin Cities at all, so I'm kinda working on hearsay, here. But my understanding is that the Twin Cities are much more interwined than, two big cities in the same metro region like, say, Dallas-Fort Worth, or Hong Kong and Macau or San Francisco and Oakland. Ideas? --Evan 01:06, 31 Jan 2004 (EST)
By the way, added a HUGE amount of dining info after taking monthly "food adventures" for the past half a year. This is a great area for food. -- Westifer 3/5/2005
(Also see http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Geographical_hierarchy) -spydust 3/18/06
Dining, Etc.,
I reorganized some of the restaurants. Someone stopped in and recommended a few that are obviously part of the same ownership. They're good restaurants, but they don't go in front of everything else with no justification.
To explain how I organized it, "Areas to Eat" are places where several restaurants are clumped together. If the article expands more to explain what Dinkytown, Stadium Village, and Eat Street are, the restaurants could be ripped from these paragraphs. For now though it should make it far easier for travelers to find the grub stops.
Otherwise, I also added in "Get Out" (which seems redundant with "Go"), Drinking info, and a little vague hotel info. I also added several links on the bottom. Others are welcome to help clean this up a bit more, especially mods, as I am still a somewhat novice editor with only a few hours of computer time after work to go over all of this. But thanks! --Westifer 06:36, 08 Apr 2005 (CST)
I understand how Chino Latino's advertising can be offensive to people, but racist? I fail to see the racism, as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "belief in the superiority of a particular race leading to prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, especially those in close proximity who may be felt as a threat to one's cultural and racial integrity or economic well-being." Bangkok has brothels. Cheap ones. Just because the citizens of Bangkok are of a "race" (i.e. not white, because this wouldn't be an issue otherwise) does not make references to unsavory aspects of the country racist. I will reword the reference to express the possibility of offense and suggest it remain that way until true racism is shown.220.127.116.11 20:40, 18 May 2005 (EDT) (created account): Mikepjones 20:42, 18 May 2005 (EDT)
Editing and restructuring
Hi all,
I did some pretty big edits today. I consolidated the "Do" and "Get Out" sections and edited the content of the two to match the rest of the page structurally. I hope I didn't hack away at anyone else's contributions too much. I tried to keep the gist and only change the structure, generally speaking.
The new structure will hopefully allow folks (myself included) to expand on the parts of the entries. (For instance, there's plenty of room to expand on lake activities and tips, music venues, etc.)
I plan to continue working on this over the summer.
OK. I wasn't aware of that. That's good to know. I've rearranged things to fit this template. (I think the "Get Out" category is a good one. I can think of plenty of ideas for that.) I'll have to do some more reading on the preferred structure. :) Thanks for the tip.
This is Huge City - lets treat it like one!
Okay... so I glanced at this article today and was overwhelmed with the information available. It fantastic to see so much work going into it! However, it seems to be a little wild and on occasions, a little repeatative. I've added a Districts section and made guesses as to the districts based on the article as a whole.
I know nothing about the city, so hopefully those more knowledgable can build it in the right direction.
-- Ilkirk 17:07, 8 Oct 2005 (EDT)
The following hotels were removed because they have addresses that aren't in Minneapolis. Unless someone can say that they really, more or less ARE in Minneapolis and in fact don't belong to some other article, then they are here, more or less ready to be dropped back in. -- Ilkirk 11:27, 10 Nov 2005 (EST)
The name "Minneapolis"
Minneapolis doesn't just call itself the city of lakes. Its name actually means the city of water, or the city of lakes.
Minne = Dakota word meaning "water" polis = Greek word meaning "city"
Stay Safe
The section on safety needs a workover. To advise people to avoid all of Franklin east of Lyndale is overkill as it eliminates Franklin and Nicollet and its surrounding eateries.
Also, if you're going to paint all of North Minneapolis with such a broad stroke, some mention needs to be made of equally dangerous areas of South Minneapolis.
Perhaps it might be easier to advise people as to what areas they should stick to?


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Mahou Shoujo~!
I certainly hope this is allowed, because I am so excited about the first episode of NANA that aired tonight here in Tokyo, I had to give my first impressions.
Don't worry, no spoilers here. =3
For those of you that were disappointed by the animation and art of Paradise Kiss, I don't think you need to worry here. The artwork is very loyal to the manga it seems, and it looks like the NANA covers have come to life!
The opening theme was very nice--well animated, emotional and choreographed well. But personally I was disappointed by the ending theme by OLIVIA, and much prefer Yuna Ito as Reira's singing voice...ah well, I guess we can't have it all.
On an additional note, for those that have seen the movie, Shouji is much better looking than he was in the movie, and I think it will be easier to get attached to him and therefore sympathize with Hachi in further episodes.
I also like the slower pace the anime is taking, as opposed to the rushed 12-episode ParaKiss series. I get the feeling this one will go on for at least two seasons.
I look forward to the fansub--whoever is doing it! And furthermore, I will be on the lookout for NANA anime merchandise! ^^v
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I haven't read the manga (my gf has them all), but the anime was kinda interesting, and the parts when the two Nanas give different opinions of their friendship was funny (when they're at the apartment). My gf thought the voice for the rocker Nana seemed too old for her, and thought the shorter Nana's face wasn't quite like the manga. I liked the animation style though, and I thought for the most part it was pretty high quality for a TV show.
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This was my major worry and now I feel relived.
But ok just one question, until I can get the raw
Thanks in advance
|2006-04-05, 10:51
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Mahou Shoujo~!
I also have to agree about Komatsu's face looking different. Additionally, I thought the movie version was cuter. ^^; I had no problem with Nana's deep voice though.
|2006-04-05, 11:02
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Nana Anime
I'm not really sure this is the place to post this, but i'm just finished watching the first episode of Nana, wich was aired just a while ago, and i wanted to give my first impressions.
Unfortunately, i missed the opening. If the song is the one you hear in the next week preview thing, it sounds quite cool. The ending theme is a bit plain to me, though...
This first episode basically ends like the manga ends at the vol.1, if i'm not mistaken.
Technically, i wouldn't say it's bad, but i think Aizawa's graphic style doesn't fit anime graphic style at all. Too rich, i guess. I already noticed that on Gokinjo Monogatari or Paradise Kiss. That's why it's sort of a disappointment. The colors are quite well-chosen, so i guess it makes up for the rest. Though the animation is satisfying, nothing great comes out of it, like you would be expecting from such a great original work. You just wish there was more...
The voices sound convincing, Hachiko not too noisy or whiny, Osaki not too "virile" or distant. But yet again, there's nothing special about them. You don't really feel like they give you something the manga don't.
In the end, just as the movie does, it makes you feel like you can't deal with upper-class arts and stories like Nana the way you'd do with any other shoûjo or Shônen manga. I know some won't agree, once they've watched it, and maybe ep.2 will make me change my mind, but for now, that's the conclusion i came to.
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|2006-04-05, 11:27
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Woa, sorry mippa, it's hard to keep up with the messages everyone is sending at the same time, and i was more or less asking wrex... (yes, i know, i wrote "you all"... sorry again, my english sucks...)
Anyways, i just can't wait until next week, now you told me that...
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I think the first episode is excellent. It's been a while since I've been this excited about a manga to anime adaptation. The last time around was with Honey and Clover. The OP and ED are not the kind of music that I like but I think they are appropriate for the series.
Screencaps and brief impression of the first episode
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Thanks Omniscent. I just watched the op and I found it quite amazing. Very beautiful animation of Nana Ozaki (the vocalist of the song is a good choice) and a load of "very meaningfull" pictures in between (like the cherry glass or the cake). Now I can't wait for the whole thing! ^_^
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"Saturday Night Live" mocked President Obama's surprise win of the Nobel Peace Prize last week by saying the commander in chief won the honor simply because he wasn't George Bush.
"This prize bestowed by the Nobel committee in Norway is given annually to individuals who have made significant contributions to world peace. ... I won it for not being George Bush," said Fred Armisen, who played Obama.
"This award came as a complete surprise because I have only not been George Bush for nine months."
Armisen then said he also won the $70 million Powerball jackpot.
"It was the first lottery ticket I ever bought," he said.
Obama, who admitted he was "both surprised and deeply humbled" by the honor, won the prize for vowing to rid the world of nuclear weapons and for his diplomatic efforts internationally.


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Plant and Animal Care: Milkweed Bugs
Background. Painted lady butterflies can be purchased from a biological supply house as small fuzzy larvae—maybe as small as 1 cm (1/2") long. They arrive in a plastic container with a centimeter or two of green goop that looks like guacamole. You might notice that the food has gelled at a slant in the jar. This is designed to maximize the available surface area for the larvae The ventilated lid holds a piece of filter paper over the top of the container. Keep the lid and paper on the container at all times. The painted ladies will spend all of their larval days, perhaps 7-10 days or a little more, in the container eating the food layer, molting, and growing to a length of 4 cm (1-1/2") or a little more. They require no special attention other than to keep them in a well-lighted area, but out of direct sun and safe from temperature extremes. After the larvae are about 2 cm (3/4") long, it is all right for students to remove the larvae from the containers from time to time for close observation of structures and behaviors.
Use local larvae. If you have local painted lady larvae, or another species of butterfly larvae available, use them instead of commercially available larvae. You will need to research appropriate food sources for each type of butterfly larvae.
Life cycle. In due course the larva receives a biological message to climb to the top of the container, spin a little knob of silk onto the filter paper, and attach its rear end firmly to the knob. The larva hangs head down and assumes a characteristic J shape, indicating that pupation is only a few hours away. If you are vigilant, you might be able to observe the final molt as the fuzzy outer skin splits near the head to reveal the smooth, curiously molded, slightly iridescent pupa ensconced in its chrysalis. As the pupa writhes around, the skin is pushed up and off the body until it is a crunchy little nub pressed up against the paper. The painted lady lapses into a period of relative quietude, hanging motionless except for brief fits of wriggling, especially when disturbed. At this time the pupae attached to the paper should be moved to a larger cage.
For a week or 10 days the pupa undergoes dramatic physical and biochemical transformations. The chrysalis gradually darkens until it is dark gray-brown, and the orange color of the wings starts to show through. This is when you can expect the adult to emerge, which happens quickly. The chrysalis shell splits near the bottom (head end), and the butterfly reaches out with its legs and grasps the outside of the chrysalis. The head comes out, and then the abdomen and wings are pulled free of the chrysalis shell. The emergence takes a minute or less. The fresh new butterfly clings to the chrysalis shell with its soft, crumpled wings hanging down. Over the next hour or two the abdomen pulses as it pumps fluid into the veins of the wings, expanding them to their fully extended shape. During this time the butterfly ejects a splat of red liquid. Students may be alarmed, thinking it is blood, but it is a waste fluid that the butterfly unloads as it prepares for its new life. In 3 or 4 hours the butterfly takes wing as a flying insect. Place the cage where sunshine will fall on it for a few hours each day.
Prepare a feeding station for the butterflies. Use a hole punch to make a hole in the center of the cap of a vial. Roll up an 8-cm (3") square of paper towel and push it through the hole in the cap. Push the vial into the plastic vial holder to prevent the fountain from tipping over.
Butterflies feed by sipping nectar through their long coiled proboscis. A substitute nectar can be made with sugar and water. Put 1/4 teaspoon of sugar in a vial and fill it with water. Attach the wick cap to the vial. Cut a crude flower from a piece of red or orange paper, make several criss-cross cuts in the center, and push the vial through. The flower will attract the butterflies and give them a place to land. If mallow, a common weed in many parts of the country, is available, you can place a small bouquet of leaves in a vial of water. After the butterflies mate, they will lay eggs on the mallow leaves. If you want to raise a second generation of painted lady butterflies, provide more mallow leaves for the larvae to eat. They must be kept in a covered container because they are very mobile. A supply of mallow leaves can be kept in the refrigerator. If you do not want to let the eggs hatch, put them in the freezer for a few days to end the life cycle.
After a month the adults will die, not because of any ill effects caused by captivity, but because that is their normal life span. Even though it is never advisable to release study organisms into the environment, if a painted lady butterfly "escapes," it will not be an environmental disaster—painted ladies are already well established throughout the country. What to do with them when the investigations are completed. Any eggs that your butterflies have laid can be given to another class to raise. Fresh mallow or hollyhock must be provided. Any leftover food from the original larvae container can also be used. The butterflies don't live long, but they can be released if needed.


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...today I gave a guest lecture to a group of freshmen who all said they were not interested in science. It turns out that they had no idea what science really involves. I listed a bunch of scientific questions and asked if these were things they wanted to know. Yes! They did. So we talked about these for a while, and then they thought of more questions, and it was a very fun. We also talked about how research is done - how you come up with the questions,how you go about answering, discovering, testing. The students said they hadn't known that these were the kinds of things that scientists did. They imagined that we just worked in our labs making chemicals or looking at data on computer monitors all day. I doubt if any of them were inspired to become scientists, but I felt pretty good about changing their perceptions of science and scientists.I wonder what would happen if we did this for CS.
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San Francisco nudists are filing a lawsuit against the city and county of San Francisco for violating their freedom of speech in order to prevent city leaders from passing an ordinance that would make it illegal to be naked in public places. The group's lawyer Christina DiEdoardo tells the New York Times, "The city is overstepping its authority. The act of being naked is not enough to be obscene or indecently exposed under California law."
The ordinance, introduced by city supervisor of the Castro District Scott — don't laugh — Wiener, would outlaw the exposure of butts and genitals on public transit, streets and sidewalks, but would still allow the exposure of women's breasts and full nudity in children under the age of 5. Nudity would still be permitted at the Gay Pride Parade and other events that have been approved by the city. Granted, I'm a person who doesn't want to get naked in public, but that all sounds pretty reasonable to me.
But not to the nudists! "Being naked is a birth-given freedom, not a crime," says — don't laugh — Gypsy Taub, a stay-at-home mom who also runs a nudist public access show called My Naked Truth (someone syndicate this, please.) Fellow plaintiff George Davis adds, "The city is trying to legislate against the naturalness of the naked body, and that is wrong."
Is it puritanical to say that these big naked babies just need to get over it? They argue for their freedom to wear as little as they please in public and claim that there's nothing sexually threatening about riding the BART with their pants off, but what if you're a fellow passenger on that car? What about your freedom to ride the train without having a stranger's naked dick in your face? And is it too much to ask that nudists confine their acts of exhibitionism to the spaces and times that they're with other willing participants?
Of course, those points are the same ones made by our nation's more subtle homophobes. You know, the whole "I don't care what you do as long as you do it in private" and "I just don't want to have to see it" arguments. It would be easy for nudists to borrow the arguments of the LGBTQ communities and rebute with an "If you don't like it, don't look" or a call to respect different lifestyle choices. There is, however, a major difference between this and the fight for equal LGBTQ rights. No one has ever been physical hurt by seeing two women hold hands. The sight of two men kissing does not effect anyone else's autonomy or right to make choices. Countless people, on the other hand, have been flashed, groped or sexually assaulted in public spaces. Being forced to stand pressed up against a naked person on a crowded bus is a legitimate threat to your physical and emotional well-being. A blanket allowance for public displays of nudity, while protecting the rights of some, takes away the right of many.


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Favourite ever B-side?
C'mon, show your age.
Radiohead - meeting in the aisle
or, if you count 'Feel' by Verve as a B-side, Feel
Of more recent times It's Deerhunter - Nosebleed
I always had a lot of love for Once In a While on the Ava Adore single.
- Teepee_uk this'd this
except that I'm a mere 33
Still the same as it ever was.
Vaseline by Elastica: the b-side to Line Up.
Doesn't count
Vaseline was an album track rather than a B-side.
It was a b-side for 14 months before becoming an album track.
the other b-side to Tolerate, Montana/Autumn/78 is also brilliant
they COULD have made such an amazing album around then I'm sure, they just, er, didn't.chris_81 and oldshitnewshit this'd this
The Manics have had a lot of good b-sides
'Pedestal' springs to mind...
The Early Years - I Heard Voices
B-Side of All Ones & Zeroes
I'm 44
I've got a real soft spot for Eels' Manchester Girl
so it's either that or Suede's Europe is Our Playground
Was that not from Broken Toy Shop
E's out of print second album? Or did he later release it as an Eels track as well?
All your lectures will become/Converted into static hum
Levitz by Grandaddy. Off Summer Here Kiiids. Almost bloody thirty.Stuzza and RockyORourke this'd this
Killing of a Flashboy
Top top tune.
Talk Show Host by Radiohead
Fucker by Eels a close second
How Soon is Now
The b- side so good they had to release it as a single.
- Wasted_Opportunity, JaguarPirate, and poptimusgrime this'd this
- JohnM, hibster, and pigeon_eater this'd this
see also
everything's gone green
Classy choice
And excellent Fac catalogue recall. I had forgotten EGG's appearance on the b side of Procession
So many
Get a real tattoo is up there.
Erm... Arab Strap: Rocket take your turn, blackness, bullseye, trippy, girls of summer
Can think of a few mclusky, Underworld, Idlewild and FOTL crackers too.
But probably Rocket take your turn.
HotS were a great B-side band
Angels Over Kilburn was their best for my money
- Gringo this'd this
Elastica. The b-side to Line Up was Vaseline.
Vaseline is\was a far better song.
A few to choose from
Talk Show Host - Radiohead
Killer Cars - Radiohead
Man Called Sun - Verve
Warmer Than Fire - Ash
The Masterplan - Oasis
Honey Power - MBV
These things I Don't Understand - Coldplay
Shine - Slowdive
Born Slippy (original beats, b side to Pearl's Girl) - Underworld
Minky Starshine - Seefeel
Nothing Sweet - The Sundays
Boo! Forever - Boo Radleys
Aneurysm - Nirvana
Niagara - The Wedding Present
...my vote goes to Young & Lovely by Blur - still can't work out how that didn't make it onto Modern Life Is Rubbish
early seefeel had a sort of pulsey drone
That I think nobody else has bettered since. Polyfusia and Quique are impeccable records.
<3 Warmer Than Fire
it's just... perfect.sizeofanocean this'd this
I thought Shine was an A-side, not B-side
It has even a music video
EuroZeroZero by Massive Attack
also Fucker by Eels
Tortoiseshell by The Boo Radleys
Troublesome Waters by Richard Hawley
Tyre Tracks by Unbelievable Truth
Came here to post Euro Zero Zero
It's great: the b-side to Teardrop, I think? It's a Mezzanine-y retake of Eurochild from Protection, fact fans, with Daddy G doing Tricky's parts, and there's even a Horace Andy cameo! Like Massive Attack's entire career in one track or something.
Also Massive Attack - United Snakes
Mindblowing percussion!Antelope this'd this
Another vote for
Killer Cars by Radiohead. 2nd choice would be Easily Fooled by Pavement.
The Beatles -
I Saw Her Standing There
If I Fell
Day Tripper
Eleanor Rigby
Strawberry Fields Forever
I Am The Walrus
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Don't Let Me Down
Come Together
I think they win.
day tripper
eleanor rigby
strawberry fields
& come together
were all officially double a side singlesmeths this'd this
I bought a box of old singles at a garage sale a few years back, and among them was Deep Purple's "Black Night"
From 1970, pretty average song, but this was the B-side and it's a fucking killer
Black Night
Is way above average!
no Pixies?
Manta Ray - Pixies
Into the White - Pixies
2 of their best songs IMHOhibster this'd this
A New Career in a New Town by Bowie
dunno if it counts cos it was also on Low, but for years i only knew it as the b side to Sound & Vision
The Cure — The Exploding Boy
b-side to Inbetween Days, which makes that just about the most perfect pop single ever.pip_ and JaguarPirate this'd this
Probably not my favorite, but still very good.. Brand New - "Flying at Tree Level"
in the heat of the morning
- last shadow puppets.
Pulp - PTA
b-side to Mis-shapes/Sorted For E's And Wizz.
The other song on the CD single is the live version of Common People from Glastonbury 1995. It's basically the best single ever.
Also, Tainted Love and I Will Survive were both b-sides first, and they seem to have done alright for themselves.
PTA is great
Seconds is probably better.
leave me alone
in a lonely place
don't do it
player in the league
new order have had some good ones
but leave me alone is my favourite
My Dark Star - Suede
or Pearly by Radiohead
Back when I first started buying 7" pop singles
the b-side was usually just an instrumental mix of the A-side.
So on that basis my favourite is 'the German version of 99 Red Balloons'.
I've only ever bought about 20 singles.
From them, probably
dEUS - I suffer rock
Soundgarden had some great B Sides
She's a Politician being my particular favourite.
Laze it Up
Scrawl and Scream
The Ants had great b-sides
They were usually better than the a-sides
Beat My Guest
Whip In My Valise
Christian D'ior
Plastic Surgery.
On the b-side of the Celebrated Working Man EP.
"Religion is a crooked liar
the last flames of a burning fire, barbed wire, funeral pyre,
To be freewheelin' is all we need..."
Wave Pictures: Now You Are Pregnant
Every time I hear it I'm amazed that a piece of near song-writing perfection was tossed off as a B-side. Not sure if it's my best ever, but it's up there.
I haven't bought a single for some time
Back in the day I bough Oasis Cd singles for the B sides, so probably one of them. Underneath the sky, the masterplan, going nowhere. It was like getting another Oasis LP every 2-3 singles, 4 tracks on each one in them days.
Wildhearts - 29 x the Pain
Appeared on numerous best-ofs and live albums but I think it was originally just a b-side.
hah, I was thinking, "sure that title is a Husker Du reference"
and then the first verse of the song...
You Know My Name (Look up the Number)
well, I loved it when I was 12, anyway...calumlynn this'd this
Real answer
Cardiacs - IdealGoffBoy this'd this
Rocket From The Crypt - Ciao Patsy
b-side of Born In '69
Engine - Neutral Milk Hotel
B-side to Holland 1945 right? (one version at least)
also, blur have a ton of great b-sides. tempted to go for 'Mr. Briggs' cos its better than anything off Leisure.
Depeche Mode - Sea of Sin
Depeche Mode - Newborn
Both AWESOME B-sides!
Idlewild - Poor Thing
Also, not strictly a b-side, more an additional track on the greatest hits, but A Distant History by Idlewild too. Just about the best song they ever made.
A Distant History was a B-side on You Held The World In Your Arms, wasn't it?
As was No Generation which is one of my favourites (no Youtube video so here's a Spotify link): http://open.spotify.com/track/1U07ohpDytw2VDmxo37hQg
See also: Broken Windows, Meet Me At The Harbour, I Want To Be A Writer, Mince Showercap 1 & 2...
Pixies - River Euphrates
Radiohead - Fog (Again)
Joy Division - Dead Souls
Massive Attack - Superpredators
The Smiths - Asleep
Unknown Mortal Orchestra - Waves of Confidence
Two from the brief period when I was buying singles
Super Furry Animals - Carry the Can
Mansun - Railings


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The instructor, a Presbyterian, called my choice to preach about Mary "bold."
We were asked to choose a piece of scripture and then deliver a ten-minute sermon. Because it was the start of Advent, I chose the annunciation from Luke's gospel. To me, Mary's calm and passive acceptance of what was about to happen to her seemed somewhat odd. After contemplating the passage, I decided to read aloud some of her response verbatim, but employ a tone of incredulity, bewilderment, and perhaps even sarcasm. I'll spare you the details of an otherwise forgettable sermon, but my choice to characterize Mary as surprised and perhaps hesitant made a mark on my Protestant peers, whose characterization of Catholics included a belief that we hold Mary on such a lofty pedestal that she is, perhaps, free from human emotion.
It was with this in mind that I read the newest book from Irish author Colm Toibin, The Testament of Mary.
Toibin offers an account of some of the most familiar gospel stories—Jesus walking on water, his arrest and trial, and the crucifixion—from the mouth of Jesus' mother, Mary. The story begins post-Good Friday, and the reader is guided back through Jesus' life by an aging, embittered, distrustful woman who, with her husband dead and her son murdered by the Roman authorities, faces her last years alone, even as she is surrounded by Jesus' followers: "my protectors, or my guards, or whatever it is they are."
The novella offers a deeply, if at times painfully, human portrait of Mary, tearing asunder the robes of red and blue that envelop her in paintings and sculptures, pointing to her unique role as Theotokos, mother of God. Instead she is cast as a character more akin to Becca, the protagonist from the film Rabbit Hole, a good but broken woman whose son dies tragically, and as a result, is unable to cope with life in ways that would seem normal to those who haven't suffered through such a liminal experience.
While the dual nature of Jesus—he was fully human and fully divine—is hammered into Catholics from a young age, Mary's status seems far more ambiguous to the average Catholic. Of course she is fully human, but she is also blessed among women, conceived without sin, ever virgin, and, perhaps to some, considered to be something of a co-redeemer of humanity. That many Catholics thus view Mary as something of a distant deity herself, rather than fully human with complex emotions, questions, and even doubt, is not surprising. Toibin's work asks us to do just that, to consider the human-ness of Mary and the emotions felt by a mother whose son was put to death for reasons that aren't quite clear. She laments:
I did not think that the cursed shadow of what had happened would ever lift. It came like something in my heart that pumped darkness through me at the same rate it pumped blood. Or it was my companion, my strange friend who woke me in the night and again in the morning and who stayed close all day. It was a heaviness in me that often became a weight which I could not carry. It eased sometimes but it never lifted.
The problem with Toibin's take, perhaps to people of faith anyway, is that there is no Easter Sunday for Mary, at least not in the earthy, physical way the gospels report. If Thomas believed after feeling Christ's wounds, Mary is left to stew in her contempt for her son's followers, the men she blames for his demise. Her life, quite understandably, changes dramatically at Golgotha, and Toibin's Mary never moves past that dreadful experience. For this Mary, her son, whose name she cannot bring herself to say aloud, was led to his death by madmen. There is no peace in salvation, for though she understands what her son's followers are concocting, she does not subscribe to their ideas or share their faith in his resurrection.
For some, Toibin's work might be scandalous. Those like my preaching instructor might think Catholic reverence for Mary would compel us to dismiss this story outright. But for many Catholics, while The Testament of Mary might be challenging, it shouldn't be upsetting. Our saints are indeed holy, but they must always remain fully human. That is how they have value for us, serving as models for our own journeys. That we might be compelled by Toibin to recall and reflect on Mary's humanity rather than her seemingly quasi-divinity is a welcomed challenge.
I finished reading this short book just as news of Dorothy Day's possible canonization hit the papers. Day's path to sainthood, should she attain it, is not typical. Her story is a reminder of the beautifully messy tableau created by life's many experiences. There is saintliness in all of it, and Mary's life, a fully human experience encompassing joys and pains, extremes many of us will not be asked to endure, is worth considering in full.
The Mary in the book doesn't want her son to be tortured to death, even for the salvation of others, and that seems like an understandable reaction for a mother, I think.
Anyhow, this complaint that Toibin "misses the mark" because he doesn't present a Mary touched by Easter misses the point: what the New Testament narratives report is irrelevant; there isn't any Easter moment in the novella.
Toibin is an intense writer, with a really strong control over his work-but, to be honest, I found that this didn't fully click for me. I found myself comparing it to David Malouf's Ransom, which evokes the motherly grief of Hecuba in a way that is intensely physical, and has all the more impact for its brevity. For all that Toibin makes the reader recognize that things were roiling within Mary's skull, you get less of a sense of what was happening below the neck.
I used those words on purpose not knowing any of Toibin's past other than he is Irish and a good writer. The theme says that the Church is a farce, Christ was a dunce to get crucified for a bunch of crazies, the apostles were scoundrels, the faithful were conned and for 2000 years this charade has been going on. All that are implications of the book.
Toibin must of known that was the message he was sending in the book. He is not dumb and apparently a brilliant writer. We have a tendency to fall for well written material and attractive people without examining the message.
Nothing except an animosity towards the Church fits with this story no matter how well written it is. If Christ was the Messiah, and Mary was the mother of Christ, she had to have known the divine plot. Saying she didn't and was embittered makes one feel sorry for her as a mother who lost her son in a tragic way but the implications dwarf one woman's personal sorrow of which we have millions in our world every day that rival this for the last 10,000 years. And Toibin made Mary into just another person who had an unfortunate experience.
So you tell me why he would do it. Not out of any love for which the Church's main message is known for.
I have not read the book. I don't know if I will, but I am glad to see that some are exploring Mary's humanity rather than simply her bland and passive perfection. The Mary I grew up with was a woman that I could never relate to. She was ''conceived without sin'' - alas, I was not. She was held up as an impossible ideal - a virgin AND a mother. To do that, the rest of us would have to have in vitro, which is condemned by the church. I never considered her to be a role model because she was presented as so perfect and so passive - not a real woman that the rest of us could look to as a real world ''role model''.
Later, as a mother, I actually wanted to be able to relate to her, but again, found that I could not. She was a perfect, sinless, mother and a perfect woman (wife, daughter, neighbor, cousin, sister..... perfect) and I am not. Not only that, she had a perfect son - sinless! No other mother, no matter how partial to her own children she might be, would claim sinlessness and perfection for her child. I used to think that Mary could not possibly understand we ''real'' mothers with ''real'' kids. So, I spent little time with her.
Then I read a book by Joyce Rupp called 'Your Sorrow is my Sorrow'' that has reflections on Mary's sorrows as a mother, which included Simeon's prophecy, the flight to Egypt, losing Jesus at the Temple, the suffering, death and burial of her son. This later led me to reflect on the ''joyful'' mysteries of the rosary. As a mother for a long time by then, I found myself reflecting on those mysteries in an entirely new way. Even though Mary was still perfect and sinless and I still cannot relate to that, I could relate to her as a mother who loved a child, who was afraid for her child, who hurt when her child hurt, and who felt helpless to protect her child, especially when he was no longer a child himself. I thought about the annunciation - joyful for the world perhaps, but for a young teenage Jewish girl it must have been at least somewhat terrifying. After all, she lived in a culture that advocated stoning her to death of found guilty of adultery and how on earth was she going to explain this pregnancy if Joseph didn't cover for her? Maybe not so joyful a situation. And those of us who were not born without original sin, her passivity in the face of what could have been mortal danger is difficult for us to relate to. Her confusion and possible fear, however, would be more understandable to we ''real'' women.
The visit with Elizabeth may have been prompted partly from the anxiety Mary must have felt over her situation. Did Elizabeth worry at all about the dangers of a pregnancy and birth at her advanced age? Women take comfort from each other. I suspect both felt a mix of emotions over their unexpected circumstances. Few new mothers would like to be told when their baby was only 8 days old that a ''sword would pierce her heart.'' Not so joyful for mom. The birth? The circumstances were challening, but that was still probably the one mystery that reflects real joy for Mary herself and not just for humanity. Losing Jesus at the temple. Every mother knows the sheer terror that grips your heart when a child has disappeared and you don't know where he is. Even an ''almost grown'' child, as Jesus was in his culture and time period, even though he was 12. Sheer terror. Not a very joyful moment.
I have heard of another book on Mary that sounds interesting also. It's called ''Truly Our Sister'' by Elizabeth Johnson. Apparently it is a bit more theological in focus, as well as historical, but I would like to read it because apparently the author describes Mary as an active participant in accepting her role, a woman other women can really look up to as a role model, rather than the passive, obedient ( and rather spineless and bland) woman the church has too often presented.
Someone said that no idea is so crazy that it will not be endorsed by some academic (a tenured academic). Toibin is said to be smart and even gifted. Maybe, but his problem is one of the will. He had choices in how to use his intellect. He chose to pervert an aspect of the faith. It probably points to an inversion in the writer. Poor fellow.
Isn't there something to be gained by imagining and contemplating the fully human aspect of Christ and his Mother? How do we pray with and talk to and have a relationship with someone we ONLY recognize as CHRIST THE KING and the crowned QUEEN OF HEAVEN??? Please don't misunderstand; I worship Jesus, the Son of God and Second Person of the Holy Trinity and venerate of Our Lady, Mary Mother of God.
Sometimes I need my brother and my mom to talk to, however. In such times, I need to remember their humanity. Books like Last Temptation and Christ the Lord by Anne Rice (a real shame she will not be continuing the series) helped me to do that - it was an aid to prayer and relationship, nothing more. Did I think for one moment that I was reading anything other than an imagining, a fiction (wink-wink)? No.
I'm hoping Testament will do the same for me. But I will reserve judgment until AFTER I read it.
Why would there have been a debate as to Jesus's divinity that was not resolved until Nicea, unless the people involved were a lot more like us than like what we have come to believe them to be?
More than likely the apostles did look like weirdos. More than likely all of today's tragic figures are very much like Mary was back then. I think this perspective fits perfectly with the theology that I was taught, because it's not just us looking back in awe and envy at a singular time, but us looking around and seeing ourselves as part of that ongoing turn of events.
Tom #21 and Marie #22
Given that caveat, I think the key point in Toibin's book is not that he shows Mary as suffering and human, but he shows her as a non-believer in the Resurrection, and in the miracles and mission of Jesus. Again, the reviews claim she strongly dislikes the apostles, even John who was taking care of her in her old age. The conflict in Nicaea was a much finer disagreement among believers, not what Toibin seems to be writing about - the very modern ridicule of Christians by atheists.
Tom - would you think it an interesting and innocent idea if some gifted linguist decided to write a book about Lincoln as a racist criminal, or Washington as a closet whatever, or Opus Dei as having self flagellating murdering albino monks (there are no monks in Opus Dei, as far as I know), or Gandhi as a serial killer? Surely, it tells us something very significant about the writer who decides to choose these ideas for his fiction.
On the other hand, most people are not Catholic believers. A non-believer is naturally interested in the question of what it's like to be in the room when a (to him) nutty religion is coming into existence. Nobody objected when John Updike ("In the Beauty of the Lilies") wrote just such a piece (thinly disguised) about the Branch Davidians.
Part of being a small, pure church is accepting that other people do not feel obliged to take your articles of faith seriously. Catholics should learn to be as good sports about it as Mormons are.
"Tom - would you think it an interesting and innocent idea if some gifted linguist decided to write a book about Lincoln as a racist criminal, or Washington as a closet whatever, or Opus Dei as having self flagellating murdering albino monks (there are no monks in Opus Dei, as far as I know), or Gandhi as a serial killer? Surely, it tells us something very significant about the writer who decides to choose these ideas for his fiction."
You're setting up straw men here, Tim. The author, as I understand from the review, is writing about Mary as a human being, with human feelings. Do you deny she had either?? I'm not quite sure why you this with "bad" on the order of racism, murder, or serial killing (you made the comparisons, not me). If Jesus got annoyed and "rebuked" the disciples from time to time, it would stand to reason that Mary could conceivably do the same...she was with them for a heckuva lot longer than her Son during His earthly life, if tradition is to be believed.
The writer chose to write about Mary as a woman who lost her son, which she surely was. Again, making a comparsion between this and Lincoln as a criminal racist or Gandhi as a serial killer doesn't hold up. Being human isn't a crime.
As for the self-flagellating murdering Opus Dei monk, you're correct...no religious orders connected with OD. I personally found DVC quite 2-dimensional and maybe a bit silly. Fun chase scenes, but that was about it. Fiction...not wink-wink fiction, just fiction. That's even the area in the bookstore where I found it .
Why do you believe the author had malicious intent?
I disagree with Michael's statement: "That many Catholics thus view Mary as something of a distant deity herself, rather than fully human with complex emotions, questions and even doubt, is not surprising." Well, I've lived a long time and have read and heard many Catholics speak about Mary's humanity and I don't think I'm unusual in that respect. Many Catholics I know have related to Mary's humanity. Just making the Stations of the Cross brings to one's mind and heart the pain she suffered as a mother. As a mother of a severely disabled son, I know what it is to be angry with God, to doubt God's goodness and providence. I have often looked to Mary as another mother who experienced the same feelings but, also the great love she had for her son. That love is also part of the picture. It seems arrogant to compare oneself to the Mother of God, but I think it is Mary's humility and love of us that makes this possible.
Finally, I wonder at the timing of the publication of this book, during Advent when Christians are looking forward to celebrating the Incarnation, in which Mary plays a large part. Being provocative sells books and makes money for the author and publisher. Frankly, I think there are more interesting, edifying books on Mary; for example, Jaraslav Pelican's book, "Mary through the Centuries".
Mr. Cosgrove and Mr. O'Leary, no "I-told-you-so" please.
What I was looking for in Testament was an emphasis on the humanity of Mary, the anger she must have felt at the death of Jesus, the annoyance and exasperation she may have felt toward the fawning disciples trying to understand what being His mother must have been like, lingering doubts of the enormity of who her Son was and what He was in her post- Ascension years; aspects of Mary that could possibly bring me closer to her in prayer.
What I found in Testament was a contemptuous, nasty woman bearing the name of Mary, who ran at the crucifixion of Jesus (whose name is never once mentioned in the novella), who never believed in the mission of her Son while He was alive, and who dies believing the world was never worth redeeming. Jesus is pictured as a blowhard whose fame and self-importance get the better of Him. John (who is also never mentioned by name, referred only to as the 'guardian') is imagined as one who contorts and manipulates every word that comes out of Mary's mouth to invent his Gospel and writings. A dream Mary relates to her cousin after the crucifixion; that they and John stayed with Jesus until he died, and that Jesus rose zombie-like from the dead is what John turns into the Easter story. In other words, not only doesn't Mary believe the Resurrection ever happened, Testament's Mary KNOWS it was a figment of her imagination.
AND it what seemed like a cheap stunt (or the cheapest stunt, given the context) is that Mary and her neighbor Farina no longer attend synagogue, but now worship Artemis at a pagan Temple (the author was careful to capitalize it). I would think modern Pagans would think this a cheap stunt as well.
What struck me more than anything was that Testament's Mary is a complete stranger to me. Even when recounting the death of her Son, there is no sense of sorrow, no sense of love, no sense of motherhood. I saw no one I could relate to, and no one to whom I would WANT to relate, were I able to. There was no Love represented, either from Mary, the disciples, or her un-named Son in Testament. I am grateful it was as short as it was, or I'd have had to put it down. I was looking, straining to find some kind of faith, something that approached redemption. Nowhere to be found, unfortunately.
As cynical as it sounded to me at the time, Tim and JR hit the nail on the head with just about everything they wrote. But like Doubting Thomas, I just had to stick my fingers in.
The Apostles and all their hangers on must have been escapees from the local insane asylum. None of the Gospels, writings of Luke, John, Peter, and Paul happened, it was all a concoction of some weirdoes who only cared about a philosophy of loving everyone. Their intense obsession for love ended up getting an innocent bystander killed for their mis-guided cause and ended up producing an extremely embittered women who hated them.
That is what the Testament of Mary is about. It is a hit piece by someone who hates the Church and made up out of this hate. The problem is how could all of those poor souls who were orchestrating the charade get killed for a looney tunes ideology. Oh, they didn't get killed but were just a clever conspiracy and it all those billions of people afterward who are the suckers. And here we are 2000 thousand years later and all those priests, nuns, religious and lay people are just as much suckers as were those people of the Roman Empire. And we foolishly believed that Mary was a loving mother of all of us.
The prose is exemplary; the reimagining is done skillfully; and the effect of the story is chilling yet replete with pausibility.
Let's begin on that day when a messenger announced to her that, she was "super special" to God and he wanted her to have his baby. That news must have shocked her and she told the messenger that she didn't know any man, so how could this be? The messenger told her God would take care of the details. Being a young girl "full of grace" and of trust in God she said to the messenger, "O.K., let it happen!" Suddenly she felt something wonderful happening within! Mary's "Yes," allowed the flow of the Holy Spirit's Divine Sperm to penetrate her waiting Egg, specially prepared to produce the God Man and "the Word became Flesh!
Let me quickly add, I fear it may be grossly irreverent, and theologically incorrect to suggest that the Holy Spirit was in effect, a " sperm donner," a term in common useage today, but morally unacceptable by our Church, as best I understand it. If so please delete. But how else, really, could Mary conceive her Child, whom besides being truly God, was also truly Man? Once as John the Baptist preached repentance, noticing the stones all around he said a very curious thing, "God is able out of these stones to raise up children to Abraham!" So then, God can create a person in any way he wishes, even from stones? Perhaps God generated Jesus in Mary's womb in a way altogether "other", eliminating the need of the "sperm" reference and did it in such a way as to maintain the integrity of Jesus Christ as equally God and Man. Was John the Baptist simply using biblical hyperbole? At any rate Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. Mary's life must have been stress-filled, until death as an gray haired and wrinkled old woman, or senior citizen, at seventy-two. That's the age traditionally claimed as the time of her death at Ephesus and unless she was miraculously preserved from the ravages of aging the expected must have happened.
Trying to address Mary's humanity totally would require postings of book length! So, for the sake of brevity allow me to jump all the way from Mary as a fifteen year old teenager, to Mary as a middle aged woman of say, forty-eight.
It was the task of women to prepare, serve and clean-up after a meal. So, I venture to suggest that probably the Mother of Jesus did diaconal (lower case "d") service, I mean table-serving at the altar-table of First Eucharist, often called the "Last Supper." Did she also make her "First Communion" at that time, receiving Eucharist from the table? For her it must have been like a second, "Let it be done unto me according to your word" and the Word was once again under her heart!
While she was cleaning-up with the other women, someone came running with the terrible news that Jesus had been arrested, having been betrayed by one of the twelve men he had chosen. Pale and trembling, Mary rushed from the house looking for her son. Subsequently she found him beaten and bloodied, mocked and spit on, condemned to death on a cross. Then she saw him dragged through streets of Jerusalem to execution. Poor Mother Mary! She heard the nails piercing his wrists and feet and it would be profoundly human if in total horror she collapsed in grief in the arms of some friends, emotionally drained. Then after three hours of agony saw her Son die a miserable death. Did she "understand" the salvific connection at least a little, or did she with her son on the Cross, ask "Why … ?"
Then she buried him.
A mother is not supposed to bury her child – the child should bury the mother. But in the Passion nothing it seems worked exactly the way it should, yet, in the ultimate everything did work exactly the way it should have worked - redemptively! "Oh my God" Mother Mary must have groaned, tears streaming down her face strained by sorrow and anxiety, "My poor child, what has he done?" The whole sequent of events were incalculably worse than terrible, but Mary on the verge of physical collapse remembered Simion's prophesy some thirty years earlier, " A sword shall pierce your heart!" The grace of that moment sustained her somewhat.
Tradition says Mary lived for another twenty-four years, a quiet, but I believe a formative pillar in the fledging Church after which, at age seventy-two she died and was buried. The Church at Ephesus where she was buried was greatly surprised when her body could not be found and thus arose from that mystery, the belief that Mary was assumed into heaven shortly after death. A Dogma of the Church defined as such not until 1950, by Pope Pius XII. Mary, our Most Human Mother pray for us!
Mary was human, first and foremost, with the education and learning and limitations of a 1st century woman from Palestine. Did she fully grasp her Son's mission and the all-time ramifications of His Passion Death and Resurrection? Was Our Lady of Sorrow's heart healed for all time at Easter? Or did she bear those wounds long after the tumultuous earthly life of her Son was finished? Did the Apostles and followers of Jesus annoy the heck out of her from time to time, as they did her Son?
Mary and the Apostles and 1st century Christians spent their earthly lives as PEOPLE. Not ethereal beings floating around with halos perpetually fixed behind their heads.
I do not know what lead you to write that Toibin hates the Church.
I have seen a few interviews with him and he does not seem to have an axe to grind and I can tell you that in ireland he will be the only person getting people to think of the Mother of God this christmas.
He seems to me to be a thoughtful man not consumed by his sexuality, of course that could just be a public face and maybe he secretly hates all catholics such as his mother and sisters and exteachers who gave him a love of language through a catholic education as they did to Seamus Heaney.
I like the idea in general of this book but have not been impressed with hardly any account of Jesus and Mary outside the Gospels sad as it is to say.
It is hard to keep on the same page the magnitude of who Jesus is with the earthly account of His Life.
Bravo. I think you kind of managed to get part of the point: what if the experience of Mary was stripped from the Queen of Heaven blue background and grounded in human experience?
There's no real shortage of ways that this scenario can contribute to thinking about incarnation, if you really feel the need to filter this book through theology. Theologians have struggled with the ramifications of divine impassibility with respect to the incarnation of the Son of God, and they have needed to understand how Jesus' human will was not compromised by the divine foreknowledge of the Word. Well, then, maybe the question of what Mary's grief means for her followers if that grief is transformed by her having "to have known the divine plot" is a valid one that offers opportunity for thought?
Thank you for the kind words. Maybe you could deal with my assessment instead. I have nothing against art, imagining things, exploring new directions. I am all for all of these and am constantly seeking new insight on art, science, history, economics, philosophy etc.
Mr. Toibin wrote a piece that negates a lot of things that people have held for 2000 years, makes Mary into just another unfortunate nobody and really does not care for the Church or its message. I do know more about Toibin than I indicated. I saw what he said in the NPR interview. Mr. Toibin had choices in imagining new things, exploring new directions, what and how he wrote about Mary etc. But he made a specific choice in what he wrote. That is the most telling thing of all. We are defined by our choices at least that is what Sartre said.
"Mr. Toibin wrote a piece that negates a lot of things that people have held for 2000 years, makes Mary into just another unfortunate nobody and really does not care for the Church or its message."
Yes, that is a basic conceit of the book-it brackets the known tradition and does something else. So what? If you believe that that is harmful, then so be it-I suppose that's a legitimate, even if very ill-founded objection. If it's that that offends you, then-again-so what? Most people enjoy being offended; I certainly do think that you enjoy it, or you would not forever be on here moaning about the objectional ideas and methods of this blog's authors. If Toibin has offended you, then you are in his debt for providing you with the pleasure of it. Some people like whips and chains, some people like being hurt by ideas. Whatever gets you through the night, as Frank Sinatra liked to say.
And I challenge your claim that Toibin "makes Mary into just another unfortunate nobody," particularly your use of the word "just." The whole work gives you an intense insight into the character's experience-a character isn't "just another unfortunate nobody" when you are made to really know their feelings. Now imagine if you were able to keep all the other unfortunate nobodies that you encounter daily from sinking into the background by remembering that they, too, have just an intense experience of their own pain.
There is a long line of people in this world today and in past times who have bashed Christianity and The Church in particular. Toibin would have to wait his turn behind thousands of others to get a hearing but Mr. O'Loughlin has helped him jump the line here. That is what I was primarily objecting to, not that someone would actually write such stuff. Much worse has been done but Toibin is just the flavor of the day.
The nature of Christ's divinity and humanness was a hotly debated topic in the early Church. I believe it was decided at Nicaea that He was both human and divine after considering all the other possibilities. And because of that we recite the Nicene Creed every Sunday at Mass except for the few occasions when the Apostles' creed is used or some other form of belief is used. Those familiar with the history of the Church can be more precise. And there were Christians who believed in a different nature of Christ for hundreds of years after Nicaea. I believe Alexandria was a center for one of these groups. I believe Theodora was going behind Justinian's back on this so the debate was in high secular places as well as within the Church.
As far as the most famous criticisms of Christianity goes, there are many but one I like which I heard recently was by Nietzsche. He said he could never forgive Christianity for what it did to Pascal. Which helped me to focus on just who was Pascal and what he did and why Nietzsche would say make such a statement. I believe Nietzsche counts as an imaginative thinker. Then there was'' Paradise Lost'' which also showed off the fertile mind of a gifted writer.
I thought over Toibin's scenario and it didn't take long to come to what I believe would have been a much more interesting theme. There were three thieves at the Crucifixion, all young and all having mothers. A much more interesting literary voyage would be to find each of these women or even better have them meet some years later and explore their feelings. All of course would be nothing more than fantasy as is the book in question but I believe a more interesting story.
Yes, Toibin has made Mary into a nobody, she is now just one of tens of thousands of mothers who had their sons crucified. Why is she any different from the rest? Maybe more to be pitied because her son was a buffoon to get caught up with such rabble.and get himself crucified for no good reason according to Toibin. She is more of a pathetic figure than the one to whom billions looked to for guidance. That is what Toibin has done and because he is a gifted writer does not change what he is attempting to do.
I better stop here or else Mr. Reidy will criticize me for hijacking the thread.
Not sure if your question at the end was meant about the DVC or Toibin's work. I would say that both had a similar intent, to use a ''historical docudrama'' style to paint the Church as some form of organized crime and it's founder or his followers as frauds. It is frankly amazing to me that you miss their motives. I notice that you and others never even respond to the main thesis of Toibin's work - not at all about some despairing and depressing humanity (the essence of atheism), but about the Mother of God rejecting the Resurrection, her son's divinity and His Church. Why is this interesting?
And certainly, considerable effort was made by Dan Brown to justify his thesis, both outside and within the work (using fictional academic characters to make definitive pronouncements, such as Prof. Teabing on Nicaea ''until that moment in history, Jesus was viewed by His followers as a mortal prophet...a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal.'' (Sophie replies in shock) ''Not the Son of God?'' ''Right,'' Teabing said. ''Jesus' establishment as 'the Son of God' was officially proposed and voted on by the Council of Nicaea.'' (Chapter 55, p. 233).'' And he later states the vote was close!. What rot!
Not sure if your question at the end was meant about the DVC or Toibin's work. I would say that both had a similar intent, to use a ''historical docudrama'' style to paint the Church as some form of organized crime and it's founder or his followers as frauds. It is frankly amazing to me that you miss their motives. I notice that you and others never even respond to the main thesis of Toibin's work - not at all about some despairing and depressing humanity (the essence of atheism), but about the Mother of God rejecting the Resurrection, her son's divinity and His Church. Why is this interesting?
And certainly, considerable effort was made by Dan Brown to justify his thesis, both outside and within the work (using fictional academic characters to make definitive pronouncements, such as Prof. Teabing on Nicaea ''until that moment in history, Jesus was viewed by His followers as a mortal prophet...a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal.'' (Sophie replies in shock) ''Not the Son of God?'' ''Right,'' Teabing said. ''Jesus' establishment as 'the Son of God' was officially proposed and voted on by the Council of Nicaea.'' (Chapter 55, p. 233).'' And he later states the vote was close!. What rot!
As far as Mary rejecting the Resurrection, I doubt she understood it in the same fashion as we do, without the benefit of 2,000+ years of Church Tradition and an entire biblical testament written in light of her Son. It's entirely possible she would have found the idea of adding to the Hebrew Scriptures as reprehensible.
You ask "why this is interesting?" I find it interesting for the same reasons I mentioned earlier; emphasizing Mary's humanity reminds me that His mother is not only the Queen of Heaven and the Ark of the New Covenant, but also is Miriam of Nazareth, an extraordinary woman, but still a simple person of her time, just as I am a person of my time. It helps me relate to her.
It's the same reason why I draw some comfort from the struggles of Mother Teresa or John of the Cross. They struggled mightily with their faith, sometimes fearing they had lost it (both with the benefit of Church and and full canon of Scripture). I do too. And that gives me hope.
I will read Testament with an open yet
Further, a writer of historical fiction should try to be as realistic as possible. Otherwise, it's not historical fiction, but propoganda of some type.
And as far as Mary being a uni-dimensioned non human person, I have failed to miss that in my Catholic education and Catholic experiences. There was a significant part of the depiction of Mary as a human and as a person who suffered. There are many parishes named Our Lady Queen of Sorrows and there was devotion to Mary based on the Seven Sorrow of Mary. What inspired the Pieta by Michelangelo. So give me a break that Mary is never depicted as human but always as some type of Pollyanna.
As I said Toibin had hundreds of scenarios to depict Mary's humanity, but he chose one that said Christianity is farce. Maybe traditional scenarios of which there are many and which showed Mary to be all to human in her emotions were uncomfortable to Toibin.
I completely agree. I would also add that I never saw Mary as some distant divine, but as a Mother who cares for all her children, and never disparages her children, or thinks them fools or crazy. It is just not how I see motherhood, spiritual or physical.
I think her portrayal in The Passion of the Christ was about as good as one gets in modern media to showing her deep humanity (remarkable that the actress was a pregnant Jew - Gibson didn't know she was pregnant). She sufferred even as she believed. Toibin, on the other hand, is writing the propaganda of the non-believer, and sticking it to the apostles and the Church for his own political purposes.
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Since she was there, she would actually have a much better sense of the realism of the Resurrection than we could have, in the distance of 2000 years. Her sinless holiness would also, in my opinion, give here a deeper sense of its import than most of us moderns could possibly have, with all the doubts brought on by distance.
I also have a completely different understanding of the ''darkness of the soul'' of St. John of the Cross and Mother Teresa. This is where a person of deep faith, who fully trusts in their Savior, has the emotional and spiritual supports removed, so they have to live solely on their faith, on their trust in the Father. It becomes less of an experience and more of a submission of the will to the commitment of belief that one made. It is like Jesus feeling the sense of forsakeness on the cross. It in no way turns into a loss of faith. Indeed, it is the opposite. It is not a period of doubt or atheism, but of heightened faith, even as, or because one carries its great burden. - these are my own reflections of course.
Thank you very much for the review. The reason I did not read the book (it would have been a short read) was that I didn't want to contribute 1 cent to Toibin by buying the book. I did investigate it and went to the local library but they had no available copies so I read several reviews on Amazon and elsewhere as well as listen too those here.
Maybe you should go to Amazon or to Barnes and Noble and publish your review and see how others react to it. The reviews on Amazon that praise the book are thought very useful so it will interesting to see how one that is negative on the book does with prospective readers.
Again thanks for your efforts.


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Erie Canal Harbor Development Corp. today launched its 2013 season of summer programming at Canalside and debuted www.canalsidebuffalo.com, a mobile-friendly events calendar. An open house will be held from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. on Saturday, May 11, at Canalside.
This year, Canalside will host more than 800 events and activities presented by 108 local individuals and organizations. It is expected that the programming will attract 800,000 visitors to Buffalo's waterfront. New offerings this year include "Canalside Food Fight" - a series of food truck competitions; a games and leisure component featuring an outdoor reading room and games, such as badminton and other lawn/board games, as well as pool, ping pong and foosball in The Ruins; and "A Celebration of Music" with the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra and Friends. Old favorites returning with expanded programming include Explore and More Children's Museum, Young Audiences of WNY and the African American Cultural Center. Also back for 2013 are the Saturday Artisan Market, Music at the Ruins and fitness programs, such as yoga, tai chi and Zumba.
"With more visitors than ever discovering the unique experience of our waterfront, the growth we're seeing at Canalside is unprecedented," said ECHDC Chairman Robert Gioia. "This year Erie Canal Harbor Development Corp. continues to offer a diverse selection of activities with nearly a 100 percent increase in programming and events over the 2012 season. Under Gov/ Cuomo's leadership, Buffalo's waterfront is flourishing and ECHDC continues to build upon its success."
In conjunction with today's launch, ECHDC is debuting www.canalsidebuffalo.com, which is an easily accessible events calendar that is mobile and tablet responsive. The site includes a calendar of events, directions to the site, parking information, site amenities and a link to www.eriecanalharbor.com. The site is in response to the feedback ECHDC received from the public regarding the need for a mobile events calendar.
"By launching this mobile website we are reaching out to a market in Western New York that is increasingly mobile and on the go," said ECHDC President Thomas Dee. "We feel this site will significantly assist in boosting visitors to Canalside and, in turn, attract the critical mass and private investment that ECHDC is striving for. I am confident that the mobile-ready website will be a huge help in improving the visitor experience at Canalside."
Saturday's Canalside open house will run from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. with nearly 40 scheduled programmers to appear, as well as several short, signature performances. Featured events include the "Canalside Food Fight," the first in a series of four mobile food competitions; Treehouse Lawn Jart Tournament; and a feature performance by members of the BPO.
All events and appearances run from 10 a.m to 4 p.m. For more information on the open house, visit www.canalsidebuffalo.com.
Congressman Brian Higgins said, "With each passing year it gets more and more difficult to count the numbers of events that are planned for Canalside. But just a few short years ago, counting the number of events wasn't difficult: there were none. Thanks to the historic 2005-06 NYPA settlement, the public's demand for more and better access to our region's waterfront has resulted in a vibrancy and energy along our inner harbor not seen for decades. From the festivals and concerts to the hundreds of family-friendly activities planned for this summer, Canalside will continue to grow and expand in the months and years to come, drawing thousands more to downtown Buffalo to experience all that there is to enjoy about summer in Buffalo, N.Y."
City of Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown said, "The progress and growth we're seeing in the Canalside area continues the great momentum on Buffalo's waterfront. I want to thank Gov. Cuomo and Lt. Gov. Duffy for their continued commitment to Buffalo and the waterfront. The record number of people that are projected to visit the Canalside area is another visible sign of progress and increased public access on our waterfront, spurring more investment and job opportunities."
Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz said, "Creative and innovative programs and attractions at Canalside this year will bring thousands of new visitors to enjoy food, music, cultural programs and fun for the whole family. I encourage everyone to check out the Canalside website, which makes it easy to browse the events and get more information, and then come to Canalside often in the coming months."
State Sen. Mark Grisanti said, "It is exciting to see over 800 events come to Canalside this season. I encourage everyone from the Western New York region and Canada to come down and visit Canalside to check out these many different events."
Assemblyman Sean Ryan said, "It is exciting to see that Canalside is ready to go with another summer filled with great events. Gov. Cuomo's continued push for progress along our waterfront is paying dividends, to the benefit of Buffalo and all of Western New York. Tourists and locals alike will be able to enjoy this progress all summer long with numerous events and experiences. With the completion of HARBORCenter and the canal park projects right around the corner, I am looking forward to the many year-round activities that will contribute to the excitement of Canalside."
Highlights of the 2013 Programming and Events Season include:
▪June 2: Pride Festival
▪June 15: Pop Up Park Playground
▪July 4: July 4th Celebration
▪July 5: Arrival of the Schooner Lois McClure
▪July 13-14: Celebration of Music with The Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra & Friends
▪Aug. 17: The Color Run
▪Aug. 18: Clutch Artists Autorama
▪Aug. 21: Squeaky Wheel's Outdoor Animation Festival
▪Aug. 23-25: Buffalo Irish Festival
▪Sept. 13-15: Tall Ships Festival
As a subsidiary of Empire State Development, the state's chief economic development agency, the Erie Canal Harbor Development Corp. supports and promotes the creation of infrastructure and public activities at Canalside, the Ohio Street corridor and the outer harbor to attract critical mass, private investment and enhance the enjoyment of the waterfront for residents and tourists in Western New York. Its vision is to revitalize Western New York's waterfront and restore economic growth to Buffalo based on the region's legacy of pride, urban significance and natural beauty. For more information on ECHDC, visit www.eriecanalharbor.com.


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