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Predicting Morons
While I do think more people should read science fiction, it's not because of its predictive powers. Rather, SF at its best offers a kind of literature that is different from others, that presents a different way of thinking about language and life (yes, I've been reading a lot of Delany recently). Its "predictions" are less about the future than about the present, about how we live and why, about what it means to exist in an environment saturated with and determined by technology, about -- well, all sorts of things. But prediction's just about the least of it.
Kornbluth was a satirist, and his sort of satire goes back at least as far as Jonathan Swift, who also wrote about worlds where idiots of one sort or another had taken control of everything. (Isn't that the meta-text of most satire?)
Bova says, "The point that Kornbluth makes is simple, and scary: dumbbells have more children than geniuses."
Basically, Kornbluth is advocating eugenics. Here it is in his words, with one of the genius few explaining to a man from 1988 (who has been preserved in suspended animation by an experimental dental anasthetic) why things in the twenty-first century are as bad as they are:
...while you and your kind were being prudent and foresighted and not having children, the migrant workers, slum dwellers, and tenant farmers were shiftlessly and short-sightedly having children -- breeding, breeding. My God, how they bred! [...] Your intelligence was bred out. It is gone. Children that should have been born never were. The just-average, they'll-get-along majority took over the population. The average IQ now is forty-five.Or we could look at Kornbluth's 1950 story "The Little Black Bag":
After twenty generations of shilly-shallying and "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it," genus homo had bred himself into an impasse. Dogged biometricians had pointed out with irrefutable logic that mental subnormals were outbreeding mental normals and supernormals, and that the process was occurring on an exponential curve. Every fact that could be mustered in the argument proved the biometricians' case, and led inevitably to the conclusion that genus homo was going to wind up in a preposterous jam quite soon. If you think that had any effect on breeding practices, you do not know genus homo.There is a Straussian strain to science fiction, a desire for rule by an enlightened elite (of which, of course, the proponents inevitably consider themselves members), and Kornbluth's "Marching Morons", as entertaining as its vision of a future of idiots can be, offers grotesque flattery to its readers, saying: You who read this story are not morons, of course. You would be with the elite. The story asks us to laugh at the "moron" characters, it puts us in a position of superiority to them, it lets us feel the euphoria of power over them. By the end, it gives us a choice: disagree with its premises, or agree with them and side with the genocidal desires of the story's final pages.
Interestingly, Kornbluth wasn't advocating a racially-based program of eugenics. He goes out of his way to show in "The Marching Morons" that idiocy and genius are not limited to one particular race. No, stupid people and brilliant people come from all over, in all shapes and colors. It's just about intelligence. And class. (How do we know someone is stupid? They're a migrant worker, slum-dweller, or tenant farmer.)
In his introduction to The Best of C.M. Kornbluth, Frederick Pohl says,
I have seen criticism directed against "The Marching Morons," including a quite recent article that points out it is bad genetics (the plot implies that the tendency of lower-class families to be larger than upper-class ones is selective breeding for dumbness). True. But I have also had grown men say to me, with tears in their eyes, that "The Marching Morons" was the best story of any kind they had ever read, and that it had changed their lives. What the story warns against is not the degradation of the human germ plasm, but the degradation of human life, by cheapening values and substituting what is meretricious for what is true.Well, no, not really. The story does warn against "the degradation of the human germ plasm" -- what Pohl might have meant is that it doesn't only do that. And that could be a good argument. But any argument for the strengths of "The Marching Morons" -- and I think Kornbluth was a good writer for his time -- has got to take into account its advocacy of eugenics and, perhaps more importantly, how that advocacy has held an appeal for many science fiction fans over the decades. After all, "The Little Black Bag" was included in the the first volume of The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, and "The Marching Morons" in the second.
It's unfortunate that as experienced and intelligent a writer as Ben Bova would advocate SF for its predictive powers (Peter Nicholls wrote in the entry on "Prediction" in The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction: "The most widespread false belief about sf among the general public is that it is a literature of prediction. ... For every correct prediction a dozen were wrong, or correct only if facts are stretched a little...").
Instead, perhaps Bova should could have said that SF is a marvelous tool for satire. He still could have recommended "The Marching Morons", but perhaps he might have paired it with some other texts ... for instance, Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream and Kurt Vonnegut's Galapagos . The latter is all about the problems that humans' "big brains" have caused; the former is a science fiction novel by Adolf Hitler.


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This mod is intended to enhance Wolfenstein single-player and improve gameplay balance, making it feel more like a true sequel to the 2001 game Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Retrostein combines the powerful weapons, paranormal abilities and regenerating health of Wolfenstein 2009 with the tough enemies of RtCW, ensuring that the game maintains a fair level of challenge throughout. Now Heavy Troopers and Elite Guards will be enemies to be feared, and you will want to buy ammo for special weapons like the Panzershreck and Tesla Gun. Retrostein also includes some (but not all) of the HUD/movement features from Neurological's "NeuroWolf" mod, designed to make the game feel less "consolized".
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thenobodies80 wrote:Post by thenobodies80 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:25 pm
The idea is not bad.
First of all: buy photoshop, if you can't, download GIMP.
bryguy wrote:Re: Goblin Tribes
Post by bryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:29 am
Hmm... Love the idea, but this isn't what I believe a Goblin Tribe/Village would look like...
1) When I here "Goblin Tribes", I think of a more centralized, small area, with goblin huts, and in the midst of a deep dark forest, not on something like an island. Maybe make it more centralized, and instead of having water,
bryguy wrote:2) Some territories can bombard other territories, but its not clear how. Catapults? Trebutchets (sp?)??
sailorseal wrote:Now you really need some graphics before this map can get anywhere. I say to start change the setting so the background of your text is clear. I kind of like the texture you have going but the border needs to be better and the written "G6" or G8" needs to change. If this is a real place make it a real place and if not make it special. Maybe use spell check
Danyael wrote:sailorseal wrote:If this is a real place make it a real place and if not make it special.
can't think of a real goblin forest...
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As others have said, the map feels fun, although at the moment I think it looks a little bit (unnecessarily) cluttered.
You've made a promising start - keep up the good work
ManBungalow wrote:Post by ManBungalow » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:03 pm
"+1 hold 3 bloods"
Tisha wrote: yellow, and the borders are just hovering over the top of the land
the.killing.44 wrote:i think he was referring to the "Bloods" as the (in)famous gang everyone knows. this looks good for a start!
TheSaxlad wrote:The Dice suck a lot of the time.
And if they dont suck then they blow.
Joodoo wrote:I think the background is too dark
FarangDemon wrote:I would add more, larger images of goblins. That would make it more fun. The more devious the better.
wcaclimbing wrote:Nice map so far.
I like it.
Could you make the textures and borders on each continent more similar?
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With the onset of fall, I've been using a couple of heirloom quilts around the house. My grandmother was a great quilter, and I've recently taken up the hobby. It has really resurrected my love for a beautiful quilt as a centerpiece for home decor.
My affinity for patchwork quilts has definitely grown as I have gotten older, and those made by folks I know and love hold a great deal of value for me. I have to say, though, that I love the general feeling of warmth, comfort, and welcoming that almost any quilt gives off! Here are some examples of lovely quilts:
1. Design Sponge gave us a Sneak Peek at Cassandra Ellis & Ed Pritchard's home--they definitely appreciate a good quilt around their house!
2. Seesaw Designs shows one of my favorite examples of a modern color palette in a traditional style. The quilt, from Urban Outfitters, is unfortunately no longer available, but I've seen many a quilt and coverlet pass through their inventory that had a great deal of appeal!
3. Lisa Gerinder's home was featured on Fine Little Day and I love the low-sitting sofa covered in a sweet vintage quilt.
4. Be careful reading through the archives of Doe-C-Doe...Gina has a knack for finding gorgeous quilts at thrift stores for killer prices. I was green with envy reading through her catalog of finds...
5. Of course Victoria from SFGirlByBay would find a way to post a gorgeous quilt shot---which happens to be another from Urban Outfitters. I'm telling you! They're no heirloom quilts, to be sure, but there are some nice blankets at UO from time to time!
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A fierce wildfire threatening 4,000 homes northwest of Los Angeles was about 30 percent contained on Saturday as higher humidity and cooler temperatures helped firefighters, fire department spokesmen said.
The fire in coastal Ventura County has blackened about 28,000 acres of rugged brush land since starting on Thursday. There is no forecast for containment and the fire was not expected to be under control until May 13, Ventura County Fire Department spokesman Tom Kruschke said.
A drop from record-high temperatures on Friday and slowing, cooler winds off the Pacific Ocean were aiding the almost 1,000 firefighters brought in from across California, he said.
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Light rain forecast for Sunday and heavier precipitation expected for Monday and Tuesday also could help firefighters battling what authorities are calling the Springs Fire.
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About 4,000 homes have been threatened by the fire and 15 damaged. No injuries have been reported.
The Springs Fire and a flurry of smaller blazes around the state this week marked a sudden start to the Californiafire season. Some weather forecasters have predicted the season will be worsened by a summer of high temperatures and drought throughout much of the U.S. West.
The fire forced the closure of California State University Channel Islands in Camarillo, where the high temperature was a record 96 degrees Fahrenheit (36 Celsius). It is tentatively scheduled to reopen on Sunday, the school said on its website.
The blaze has sent thick smoke drifting over the beach community of Malibu and farther inland across Los Angeles County.
The Point Mugu U.S. Naval Air Station has lifted its order that all non-essential personnel stay home because of the fire. A base housing unit that is home to 118 families was evacuated on Friday because of heavy smoke, a base spokeswoman said.


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Black snow
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When Maxudov's novel, fails, he attempts suicide. When that fails, he dramatizes his novel. To Maxudov's surprise -- and the resentment of literary Moscow -- the play is accepted by the legendary Independent Theater, and Maxudov plunges into a vortex of inflated egos. Each rehearsal, sees more and more sparks flying higher and higher ... and less and less chance of poor Maxudov's play ever being performed. Black Snow is the ultimate backstage novel, and a brilliant satire on Mikhail. Bulgakov's ten-year love-hate relationship with Stanislavsky, Method acting, and the Moscow Arts Theater.
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Bulgakov knows how to write a fine novel - this one all about the hilariously bizarre and frustrating world of stage plays. It ends very abruptly, but the author was about to die. A shame, but it can be more than excused. A wonderfully funny book. Volledige review lezen


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In live theater, a performer has to know how to make an entrance, and television critics reviewing Sunday's CBS telecast of the Tony Awards from Radio City Music Hall in New York City applauded its host, Neil Patrick Harris, for making a memorable one.
The number began more or less where last year's Tonys had left off, with "Once," the unpretentious, decidedly non-glitzy 2012 winner for best new musical. Harris appeared as a novice folk-pop guitar strummer in a "Once"-like Irish pub. But within moments he was declaring, "It's bigger ... tonight it's bigger!" and he was off to the races, joined by a thespian multitude from an assortment of Broadway shows.
As Neil Genzlinger of the New York Times put it, the "opening number had him leaping acrobatically through a hoop, avoiding an effort by Mike Tyson [who made his first theatrical bow this year with a one-man autobiographical show] to chomp his ear and pulling a vanishing act that was as impressive on television as it must have been in the theater. (He disappeared from a box onstage, only to reappear moments later at the back of the hall)."
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"As often happens," Genzlinger continued, "the subsequent show rose to those heights only a few times. One of them came just minutes after Mr. Harris left the stage and the cast of "Matilda the Musical" took it over. If that show's number didn't produce an instant spike in ticket sales, there's no hope for the theater."
Los Angeles Times critic Robert Lloyd was similarly knocked out by the "invaluable, unshakable Harris.... Harris was never too long out of view, and when he was around, he was put to good use," with partners who included Sandy, the cute dog from the musical "Annie," with whom Harris exchanged repeated kisses on the lips before quipping, "You do know I'm in a relationship, right?"
The host wound up working overtime — his last joke was that the Tonys would have to skip the planned finale because the telecast was running late. Instead, Harris started rapping, and was soon joined by past multi-Tony winner Audra McDonald in a duet that reworked Jay-Z's "Empire State of Mind" to include rhyming shout-outs to many of the night's major winners.
In Genzlinger's view, "it wasn't as funny as last year's" finale, and he wished that the acceptance speeches had been curtailed to keep the evening more brisk. When victors grasp their coveted medallions, he wrote, "what they actually have in their hands is the power to kill the momentum of the broadcast."
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Lloyd, to the contrary, was touched by Cicely Tyson, who went overtime while thanking Broadway for welcoming her back after a 30-year absence, and by acceptance speeches in which "Kinky Boots" star Billy Porter and composer Cindy Lauper recalled how Broadway musicals reached them when they were very young, via a Tony telecast (Porter) or, for Lauper, her mother's collection of cast albums.
Mark Kennedy of the Associated Press noted two other memorable moments: Lauper singing her 1980s pop hit "True Colors" while an "in memoriam" sequence of photographs of theater eminences who'd died since last year's Tonys was displayed behind her. and a satirical number in which Harris, who shot to stardom via television, teamed with a less fortunate trio of theater folk whose TV shows had bombed. He got to gloat a bit, while Andrew Rannells, Laura Benanti and Megan Hilty sang laments.
Hilty's show, "Smash," took its final bow a few weeks ago on NBC after two years of dismal ratings. The final hour was the show's own fictional Tony Awards — making 2013 the year in which truly committed theater buffs could watch two Tony Awards on two networks.
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Fudan Talks Draw Student, Faculty Interestby Steve Charles • February 22, 2012 Share:
Students and faculty packed Center Hall's largest classroom Monday and Tuesday to hear lectures by professors from China's Fudan University, the College's newest partner in its efforts to provide students with opportunities in Asian Studies.
Professor Lizhu Fan, Dean of the School of Social Development and Public Policy, spoke on Monday about "Religious Revival and Development in Contemporary China" to an audience which included faculty colleagues from DePauw University, the College's partner in the $750,000 grant from the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation to help both schools establish the Asian Studies program.
On Tuesday, Professor Na Chen of Fudan's School of Communications delivered a lecture that took a close look at some of the cultural differences between China and the West that can lead to our misunderstanding one another. Professor Chen ended his talk, titled "Created Equal or Born Equal," stating his own personal determination to promote intercultural understanding.
The talks were among the highlights of the first visit to the College by Fudan University since Wabash President Pat White, Dean of the College Gary Phillips, Qian ZhuPullen, the College's first tenure-track professor in Chinese language and history, and Economics Professor Kay Widdows visited Fudan and East China Normal University in mid-October.
"After enjoying the hospitality of Fudan University in Shanghai last October, we are very glad to be able to welcome Dean Fan and Dr. Chen to Wabash College," President Patrick White said on the eve of the visit. "Fudan is one of China's greatest universities, and we are glad to have the opportunity to share the Wabash experience of distinguished liberal arts education for men with our colleagues from Fudan
"Wabash has found in Fudan University a partner with a great interest in the Wabash mission to educate men to think critically, act responsibly, lead effectively, and live humanely."
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ATT is setting a limits on the amount of Download (Bandwith) you can use for DSL subscribers CNN posted this MSG today in its tech section. TELL ATT this wont be tolerated. If your like me watching vids via netflix, or CNN news streaming media or online gaming (Flight Sim X online) you will meet this limit very fast and be forced to pay more with 10.00 per every 50GB downloaded. Please help us reverse ATT decision on this poor choice.
(WIRED) -- AT&T broadband users will soon face a cap on the amount of internet data they can download a month.
Traditional DSL users will be capped at 150 GB per month, while subscribers to the fiber-backed UVerse system have a 250-GB limit. Usage over that will be charged at $10/month for 50 GB, the company says.
The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps.
It is, however, the same rationale (and the same usage stat) that the company relied upon to explain why it would be capping iPhone data plans last summer, which had hitherto been "unlimited."
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DSL and UVerse connect fairly directly to a hub -- unlike cable connections where users share a local loop that can become congested. Bulk-bandwidth costs for an ISP are a tiny portion of its business costs, and those prices continue to fall even as users consume more and more data.
So, how could a user end up hitting these caps? Streaming video such as HD movies from Netflix, using bittorrent to download movies and heavy gaming with services like Steam can easily eat up lots of data, especially in households with multiple heavy internet users.
AT&T isn't the first large broadband provider to impose caps. Comcast imposed a 250-GB cap shortly after the company was caught throttling bittorrent downloads.
Time Warner Cable tried going further with trials of a service that imposed very low limits for users, which led to a furor among users and lawmakers.
There's little data to demonstrate whether large ISPs actually are experiencing real issues with congestion. Skeptics see the limits as ways to discourage cable video customers from "cutting the cord" and getting their video online, or as a way to pocket profits instead of re-investing in bulking up their infrastructure.
Derek Turner, the research director for the net neutrality advocacy group Free Press says the limits will discourage online innovation, and that with the growth curve of internet usage, the limits will soon catch many internet user.
"When ISPs force their customers to watch the meter, experimentation, innovation and business will suffer," Turner said.
"AT&T's actions are another troubling symptom of a broadband market that lacks meaningful competition, and this move may be the start of a race to the bottom among other providers to see who can squeeze its customers the most. At worst, this is a plan designed to discourage cord-cutting and pad profits; at best, this is another example of an antiquated phone-company business model being forced onto an otherwise vibrant and limitless marketplace."
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This move by ATT is absolutely outrageous. A 150 GB cap is unrealistic to say the least! I have the following equipment in my home:
4 computers
Streaming enabled Blu-Ray player with Netflix, Vudu, etc
AppleTV for buying and renting movies online
X-Box 360 for online gaming and Netflix
DirectTV HD DVR with VOD through internet
Internet connected Plasma HDTV
I also use my computer at home to do some consulting and tech support/troubleshooting which also adds to the load.
I have been experimenting with usage in my home using the ATT usage website for one week. I have NOT used more than 1 computer to check email and light web surfing and the X-Box to online game and Netflix. My usage so far has been averaging about 8GB a day. That would put me at 240GB for the month alone with very little usage of my equipment. My past usage has been averaging about 320GB+/- a month and it will continue to climb as more streaming services become available. I did a system software update and an iPhone software update that were 1.5 GB by themselves. At 150GB I would only be allowed 5GB a day! The 2 updates would burn up a third of that!
This is nothing more than a money grab on the part of ATT to get at some of the revenue stream from Netflix and other streaming services.
ATT ARE YOU LISTENING! I personally have NO problem with paying a little more for more bandwidth if I use it. To discriminate against non-U-Verse customers is unconscionable and if not illegal, it should be. Cap me at 250GB and charge me a reasonable fee for overage. $5.00 a GB is NOT reasonable! At the 150GB cap I would double my cost for internet access. A deal breaker to say the least!
If ATT does not modify this position before May I will dump anything that has ATT name on it. I will also make sure that all family members dump all ATT services EVEN if I have to pay out of my own pocket to get them set up with new services. That is 5 households that I can effect a change in. I am also the President of a computer user group with around 100 households as members. I will do everything in my power to suggest other services other than ATT and do everything I can to bad mouth your company. I will also do everything I can to get my consulting customers to change their businesses and homes to other services.
I suggest that everyone reading these discussions consider doing the same with everyone you come in contact with on a daily basis. If every ATT customer can effect at least 10 or more ATT customers to switch that can add up to a lot of $$$$$ in lost revenue and customers.
I am not one to be treated badly by any company I deal with. I had a bad experience with Canon years ago and I pass it along to everyone I know and have effectively cost Canon money. It may not be a lot individually but when you sour people on a company it makes a difference over time.
I have written my Congressman and Senators over this along with a complaint to the FCC.
I will absolutely be leaving AT&T once this happens. This is pure garbage! AT&t, upgrade your internet architecture to handle the bandwidth, don't milk us for your corporate mistakes and bad decisions. Do you really think your customers will stick around once they get hit with an increase on their monthly statement? Have you not seen the news lately with the economy still trying to recover and gas prices rising everyday? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN MINDS!!!
I find it almost comical that ATT is content on ticking off the other 98% of their customer base, loosing lots of customers that obviously use less bandwidth than the 2% / 20% usage group... So they are going to end up with less money coming in, but still those people eating up their network.... *thumbs up* to AT&T...
I got a letter yesterday from the FCC about my complaint. I also got a call from AT&T today about my FCC complaint. I didn't get to talk to them but they left a message. I might call them back and give them a piece of my mind.
Stand up and fight? If AT&T hasn't gotten a clue from these message boards, why should we continue to fight them? That's why there is a free market out there. I can switch to a competitor and reward them with my loyalty (and money) for doing a better job than the competition...
Hi Jason,
Can you tell me where you filed this FCC complaint and which form you used. Others here may want to do the same.
I am bothered here by a few things:
1). AT&T has not replied or commented here. Cowards
2). This is a circumvention of the network neutrality rule. Instead of charging the companies, they have just moved the charge to the user, but the effect is the same, streaming providers "pay more". If the providers themselves had to pay, they would have passed it on to consumers in the form of higher prices. AT&T has simply done this for them.
3). In regard to your message Jason, I suspect the number of people who complain here is small, and we probably ARE the 2%, not the 98%. AT&T knows that we will complain, but IF AT&T's decision is allowed to stand, as it appears to be the case, then this will just become standard operating procedure for ALL internet providers. So much for network neutrality holding. AT&T has cleverly found a way to walk around it.
4). Like so many here, this is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth for AT&T. Between home phone, business phone, internet, and a pair of iPhones, we spend $300 to $400 a month with AT&T. As many here have stated, I will start moving these services off when I have an alternative.
5). As much as I hate AT&T for this, I hate Comcast more, yet I am now in talks with Comcast Business to try their service for a month. Currently, their business service is unlimited useage, and right now, over twice the speed down, and 3 times the speed up for their starter service. The cost is about 50% more, but then I will not have to meter, it is faster, and there are no limits.
If this pans out, my internet service moves. And they also offer phone service, which means my two phone lines may move as well, or maybe I go to Magic Jack or Vonage or some other internet phone and drop landline all together.
Way to set loyalty AT&T.
To repeat others, I have no problem with caps and/or rate increases that make sense, but this is just an arbitrary increase to bolster your own services.
Be nice if you could actually respond to people here AT&T.
I'm sure you all have read the updated terms of service that went out this morning concerning the implementation of use limits for internet service:
It's interesting to note that we can not currently check our usage in all areas, I for one, can not. I can only calculate the traffic since my router was reset, about 36 hours ago, which indicates roughly 10 gb of data. That pretty much shows that I will be over the limit by around 16gb, and to be honest, I've not done very much online, but I rely heavily on my internet connection. To sum this up, this is a deal breaker for me, and this being the suggestion forum, I'd simply like to suggest that AT&T not do this- other service providers are not doing it, so I'll simply switch.
Increasing the limit to something reasonable, or adding the option to increase this limit may be acceptable, but 250 gigabytes a month can be easily topped on my ipad, hence the service plan indicative of that expectation. The observation that the average user uses 18gb per month isn't at all accurate for anyone with a reasonably fast internet connection; why have a 25208 kbs connection if you only use 18gb a month?
I would also like to suggest that AT&T not trivialize the arbitrary decision to do this by masking it behind a "terms of service" update, this is a big deal, and you should let people know what you are doing so that they can respond to your decision. Do not forsake the good will of your customers, it's not easily gained.
Here's me putting my voice in.
Yeah, times are rough, and companies need to make money. But guess what, if enough people jump ship from AT&T, times will surely get even rougher. Problem is internet service is one of those things you don't have many options on.
What can we possible do about it? Some of the more proactive customers may find some type of hole somewhere that will give them a valid reason to someone sue AT&T. Us others, well, we can state our opinions, and not just on the forums, but by calling AT&T.
I just got of the phone with AT&T, I was advised they they have had a very large number of customers already calling in, and they know its only going to get worse. They have a rep that will be calling me back today. Let's see how that goes.
But seriously, caps on the internet in AMERICA? Come on. I know plenty of countries arcross both ponds have lots of internet caps, but we have the might and infrastructure to not have to do the same.
The internet started with no caps, and it should move forward not backwards.
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Can you tell me where you filed this FCC complaint and which form you used. Others here may want to do the same.
Here's the form I used, filled out section #1....
It is obviously deceptive because on their web page they clearly say "We don't limit your bandwidth to a particular amount".... Errr... ummm... then what are they doing?
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Here's me putting my voice in.
Yeah, times are rough, and companies need to make money. But guess what, if enough people jump ship from AT&T, times will surely get even rougher. Problem is internet service is one of those things you don't have many options on.
Hard to say times are rough when companies like AT&T are making record profits... Haven't you seen their bid to buy T-Moblie for like $39 BILLION?
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Exactly...AT&T how about you spend that $39 billion upgrading your equipment to keep current customers happy? How do you expect customers to stay loyal to you when you screw them like this? You know that DSL slows down to a snails pace during peak times. You know that DSL gets disconnected many times. You know that these caps are rediculous. You know that this will pi$$ off a lot of customers. Wait I know the answer....you just don't care. You don't deserve our loyalty. Do what I did everybody and switch carriers for DSL, home phone, and cell service. We need to teach this horrible company a lesson.
I just checked my usage for last month using the usage tool AT&T setup. I really find it hard to believe that "Our average DSL customer uses only about 18 GB per month". Almost everyone I know streams Netflix and there is no way that can be just 18 GB per month. We used 100 GB during the last billing cycle. We stream Netflix (freely without giving it a second thought), surf the internet, and my wife works online 4 hours per night, 5 nights per week making and receiving calls via USB headset. I guess we are very close to being a "2% high usage customer". What's sad is that where I live, we have no options other than AT&T to consider because we live in a rural area. Is there any hope for AT&T cancelling this? If so, what can we do?
I forgot to mention... My wife called inquiring about this and none of the customer service reps seemed to know anything about this. She was on the phone for 45 minutes being transferred from place to place and then the call was mysteriously dropped. It seems like they would want to make this easier for us. I don't have another choice for high speed, but I can see those that do have a choice will consider dropping AT&T!
Thanks for the link. Sadly, I am not a uVerse customer (or maybe happily) so I cannot claim deceptive advertising. But I do want to complain on the grounds of Net Neutrality here. They have basically the same thing as if they charged the service like Netflix or Hulu more. In that case, they would have raised prices (or charged a fee to recover the cost) and the consumer would have paid more. Now, AT&T has simply done this for them, charging the consumer directly, as the people who will go over are the ones who use those services. This is not net neutrality, but rather a clever way around it.
Still waiting for AT&T to chime in here.
"We use the Internet with computer networking to bring HD television right into your home."
Considering this, U-VERSE content should then count against a users internet usage. By excluding their own internet content and penalizing non-AT&T services, they are prioritizing their content over competing services.
Receiving the email talked about changes to the TOS. Reading the entire TOS there is only one small 3 line paragraph concerning "usage". It states nothing informative whatsoever and the link it contains for supposed information is dead.
The TOS for new accounts states absolutely nothing about the upcoming cap, so new customers are buying blind into the service.
I truely find it beyond belief that a huge corporation like AT&T can be so misleading, undermining, and unprofessional in their business operations. Simply disgusting!
Before May, I will drop AT&T.And go cable.Enough is enough.I have already gave up my landline and wireless I went with Magic-Jack and StreightTalk. These services are better than AT&T.at lease they don't cheat you.they are up & up.This is a fare well letter to AT&T. AT&T I will fire you.You are not good for me. I am going to Road-runner.
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