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An Important Announcement From Fenerbahçe WorldwideNews • Author: Nathan Redd • Saturday, July 24, 2010
On July 24, 2006 - exactly four years ago today - Fenerbahçe Worldwide was created. What began as a simple blog from an American supporter would evolve into something more than anyone ever dreamed. Thousands of members and millions of hits later, Fenerbahçe Worldwide has become the home to fans across the world who support our team. Now, on the fourth anniversary of Fenerbahçe Worldwide's inception, we say goodbye.
In the summer of 2006, I was feeling desperate. I had taken my first trip to Turkey the year before, and through a couple of Turkish friends and my encounters in Istanbul, I had started keeping up with a football team called Fenerbahçe. As an American, I admittedly grew up hating football. It made no sense to me whatsoever. After I graduated from college, I left the comforts of the United States and began traveling abroad. I realized during my journeys that the world loved this game known as 'football.' The world outside of America, at least.
As I began to travel, I also began watching more football. I made an effort to learn the rules and watch it with an open mind, rather than my previous American skepticism. As I did, I started to fall in love with this game. My appreciation for the sport first led me to watch any teams that were on television. When you live in the United States, that usually means a lot of English football and an occasional Italian match, but not much else. While I saw other American fans devoutly following teams like Manchester United, Arsenal, AC Milan, and Juventus, my attention drifted away. That's because in 2005, shortly before my first trip to Turkey, a Turkish friend of mine invited me over to watch the world's biggest derby - Fenerbahçe versus Galatasaray. I realized after watching this team, these fans, that I had been exposed to subpar football before. Don't get me wrong, those other clubs were fantastic. But they weren't Fenerbahçe.
After I returned from my first trip to Turkey, I began trying to keep up with this team in Istanbul that had captured my interest. But there was a major problem: there was almost no information on the team in English, and the extent of my Turkish started and stopped with "merhaba." As I began looking around online, looking at enough Turkish websites to make my head spin, I started to figure out when we won and when we lost, but not much else. People thought I was simply mad. "Fenerbahçe? Who is Fenerbahçe? You are an American who likes 'soccer' and you support some Turkish team?" That was a common exchange I had back then, and it still is today.
In July 2006, I decided I must not be alone. Surely there was some other insane person out there who liked this team, but like myself, did not speak Turkish. I started a simple blog and decided to call it Fenerbahçe Worldwide. I would write a little about when the team played, who scored, and report any other news that I could somehow figure out. I was told that Fenerbahçe was a massive club; a "European power," they said. But why was there no information on this global giant in English?
When I started FBWW, I thought maybe another fan would find the website, or maybe I was alone in my fanaticism for this team. Less than a year later, the Turkish media caught on to me. Before long, FBWW was featured in nearly every newspaper in Turkey, and I was asked to write an article for Hürriyet newspaper. I was doing interviews for Lig TV, Fenerbahçe TV, Fenerbahçe Magazine, and countless others. I admittedly got a kick out of the attention, but my predominant thinking centered around my excitement for having the ability to tell more and more people about Fenerbahçe, this club that I love.
Over the years, Fenerbahçe Worldwide has evolved into a respected football website with a journalistic perspective. We were recognized and accredited by UEFA as an official news source on Turkish football. We had a foray into Portuguese and Spanish, in addition to our English content, and we had countless offers and meetings about turning FBWW into something much different. While we listened to each offer and evaluated all of our possibilities, in the end, we said no to all of them. The reason we did this is because we did not want to turn FBWW into something it wasn't. A fan created this website for other fans to be able to share in the passion of Fenerbahçe. My intention was never to use it to become wealthy or achieve anything personally. I only wanted it to get bigger and bigger in order to take Fenerbahçe to all of the world.
We've had a few staff changes over the years, but two years ago, my friend Mehmet Pozam agreed to help me out on the site. Mehmet was actually way too accomplished to be writing for this site, so I was thrilled to have his help. He shared my passion and my vision, and he's become more than a contributor because of it. Without Mehmet, FBWW would have folded a long time ago. I never would have been able to keep up, but Mehmet also saw what I saw. He understood that we could take Fenerbahçe to all the world, and his priorities were the same as mine. Mehmet and I put the club first in everything, turning down offers to sell the website, take on other partners, and turn the website into a profit machine, because we wanted it to be pure in its intentions.
Fenerbahçe Worldwide has continued to grow and get bigger and bigger, and Mehmet and I have continued to operate the website by ourselves for the last two years, occasionally getting a little help from contributors. We've been extremely fortunate to be asked to be a part of a number of media opportunities, and we've worked hand-in-hand with the club itself on many occasions. Fenerbahçe has been very good to us over the years, and we've done everything possible to act as representatives of the club as well. We've helped to accomodate media requests for the club, as well as work with others associated with the club.
As our workload continued to increase on the website, it became more difficult and tedious for Mehmet and I to keep up. I went to graduate school to study sport management, exclusively for the purpose of using my education and experience to eventually help the club in other ways. Mehmet also finished his university, earning a prestigious degree in hopes of using his media and communications experience to help Fener continue to grow. Additionally, both of us have had jobs doing other things in addition to family responsibilities. We realized that for Fenerbahçe Worldwide to continue to grow, we needed help. FBWW has been more than a job or an activity to Mehmet and myself. It is a passion, and it is what we would love to continue doing every day, permanently. But we needed help in order to achieve our vision of taking Fenerbahçe to the next level and expand the club's global image.
We were approached with a lucrative offer earlier this year, but we rejected the deal, because it would have required us to turn Fenerbahçe Worldwide into something it is not, and something cheap that the fans don't deserve. Instead, we approached the club and pitched our ideas to several club officials, with presentations that also required me to travel to Istanbul. We were confident that we would be able to achieve our dreams of expanding Fenerbahçe into unchartered areas globally. We felt that our plan to partner with the club would meet the growing demand for news and content on the team in other languages, as well as give Mehmet and I the help we greatly needed. Unfortunately, we were unable to get the positive response we hoped for.
After careful evaluation, meetings, and planning, Mehmet and I mutually decided to cease Fenerbahçe Worldwide today, on our fourth anniversary of the website. To be honest, tears were shed as we came to this decision. Both Mehmet and I have felt an emptiness inside as this day grew near, experiencing a feeling similar to a relationship break-up. This was not a decision we wanted to make today, or twenty years from now. It is a decision that we had to make.
Our vision and dream continues to be taking Fenerbahçe into all of the world, using languages, media resources, and our university education and industry expertise that we've gained from doing this for years. However, we lack the financial resources and the time to be able to continue this. We simply can't continue our mission of serving the fans without the club's assistance. Because of these constraints, this will be the last article to appear on Fenerbahçe Worldwide.
As Mehmet and I have talked this through, we discussed the things we would miss, and how empty it will seem to not be able to bring the latest news and information on the club to fans whose primary language is not Turkish. One common theme kept coming back to both of us. We'll miss writing articles, we'll miss translating news, and we'll miss searching through newspapers and websites around the world each day to bring news on the club to its fans. But most of all, we'll miss you. Mehmet and I read every message and every e-mail that comes to us. We check each week to see who signed up for the website, even as that number climbs into the thousands. We know many of you personally, and we feel that we know all of you. You are our family, and it's been a tremendous honor for Mehmet and I to serve you.
We have put four years into taking Fenerbahçe to the world, without vacations, time off, and often putting aside important duties to post news. We also did this without ever making any profit whatsoever. We did this for Fenerbahçe, because we believe it is the greatest club in the world. In fact, we know it is...because of its fans. You make Fenerbahçe the greatest club in the world. We all cheer for footballers and we share the joy and sorrow of wins and losses. But the club is only as strong as its fans. This is why Fenerbahçe is the greatest club in the world. It's because of you.
As proud as I am of creating this website, Mehmet has been the one who has taken it to the next level. And he would like to share a few words with our readers as well:
For me, it all started in the early days of 2007. Apparently, this was only a few months after the creation of Fenerbahçe Worldwide. Little did I know that it would soon become a big part of my life. Back then, I had created a Facebook group called 'Fenerbahçe Centennial' where every now and then I would give updates in English on the club's 100th year celebrations and also feature scores on the football and basketball teams' games in European competitions.
Facebook was slowly becoming a phenomenon and it was still very new to Turkey. With this website that single-handedly reduced the 'global village' into one easily-accessible virtual community, I felt that there would be people around the world seeking information on Fenerbahçe. And I was right! It was there that I met Nathan and started learning about his story. Seeing that we shared exactly the same vision, I answered his call and decided to join ranks in July 2008 – following my return from Belgium – and began helping Nathan spread Fenerbahçe to the world.
Starting off as a contributor, my transition from writer to editor was fast. Being a Communications & Media major at my university (now a graduate), my main focus was to enhance Fenerbahçe Worldwide's journalistic aspect. Rather than treating it like a blog, together with Nathan we looked at it as a news website; a reliable source of daily information on Fenerbahçe, the Turkcell Süper Lig and also the Milli Takım. Although the website was non-profit, we tried to do our best to keep a professional approach. Soon we started 'living' Fenerbahçe Worldwide day and night, 24/7.
During my two years on the website, being able to promote Fenerbahçe and Turkish football on a global scale, being able to reach Fenerbahçe fans and football enthusiasts from USA to Australia, from Europe to the Arab World, was priceless. Meeting up in Istanbul with Fenerbahçe fans coming from as far as Norway to Dubai, taking them inside the Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium, watching a match in Kadıköy side-by-side, and even going together to an away match in Ankara. Knowing that I have served the football club which I am a trueborn fan of, on such an international level, means a lot to me.
Maybe the pinnacle of my FBWW career was receiving media accreditation for the UEFA Cup Final and being amongst foreign journalists at the media tent at Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium. That day when I stood up and said, "Mehmet Pozam, representing Fenerbahçe Worldwide" and asked Mesut Özil a question, I understood that I had been successful in what I was doing and felt that this was what I had to do in life.
Fenerbahçe Worldwide was an A-to-Z learning experience for me, from online journalism to having my work published in the written press. My work was cited in numerous websites, including Fenerbahçe USA and Kooora.com. I made appearances on television and radio, going live on Fenerbahçe TV and BBC World Service Radio. They were all an amazing experience for me.
I have one person to thank that gave me the chance to experience all of this; someone who will always remain my good friend - Nathan Redd. Together we gave a lot of effort, and together we sacrificed a lot. We tried hard to take Fenerbahçe Worldwide to the next step and turn it into something permanent.
Perhaps we now leave you empty-handed and deprived of something you cherish, however we do need to support ourselves and make a living. Despite everything, I am very pleased to have shared this experience with all of you and to have known you. If we made any contribution or have had any part in introducing you to Fenerbahçe and helping you become a Yellow Canaries' fan, that would be very gratifying for us.
- Mehmet Pozam, Executive Editor
Fenerbahçe fans, I want to leave you with a final thought. One of the first phrases I learned in Turkish was "Bir gün herkes Fenerbahçeli olacak," which means "One day everyone will be a Fenerbahçe fan." That phrase became my motto, and it was my mission statement every day as I worked with Fenerbahçe Worldwide. I still believe it, and I believe one day fans from the United States to Zimbabwe, England to Peru, will be able to read about the world's greatest club in their native language. While our work on FBWW concludes today with this article, our work to expand Turkish football does not. You can leave a job, but you cannot leave a passion. This is the end of a chapter, but the beginning of things to come. Our loyal readers, we truly love you, and we are looking forward to sharing our support with you for years to come. Thank you for giving us the motivation to do what we've done for four years. You are the reason for our success, and the success of Fenerbahçe. Keep spreading your passion for the Yellow Canaries, because one day, everyone will be a Fenerbahçe fan.
- Nathan L. Redd, Editor-in-Chief, and Mehmet Pozam, Executive Editor
Comments (418)
thanks a lot. Nathan, Mehmet, Ozgur Thank you for everything..
but the people that have an account on this, i never meet you but i wana say that it was fun having this.
Thank you.
You are our source to translate news from english to arabic for arabic fan's you are the source number one for us.
You were and you are and you will be in our minds for a long time.
Thank you for everthing you did for us.
Respect From Morocco
would they still be written?
:( dont leave!!
Thank you from Oxford!
Me and WirSIND seem to share the same story. I was also enchanted by FB during the Champions League run in 2007/08, and as my interest grew I tried to find out more about the club. Being non-Turkish, FBWW was the first place I found that I could really use. And what a site it was! Fresh news on a daily basis, match reports, transfer rumours, training reports, and the occational contribution from travelling fans etc. It had it all, and really shaped me into the die-hard Fenerbahce fan I am today. I don't know if that could have ever happened without Fenerbahce Worldwide.
I want to thank Nathan, Mehmet and everyone else who's been involved at some point for making Fenerbahce accessible for all of us "young Nathans" - people who wanted to get into the club, but couldn't read Turkish. I know I'm far from the only one, and I don't have to look further than to some of my closest friends here in Norway to find people who check this site on a regular basis and have grown strong Fener sympathies because of it. The club should be very grateful of your work, it has indeed brought Fenerbahce into worldwide recognition.
All the best,
Morten Galåsen
Because FBWW is closing down i was thinking if i should open a Blog Site and continue FBWW's run from there?
If anyone is interested, please write a message on my Profile on this site and if i do get more then 10 messages, ill open up a blog site.
We simply can't continue our mission of serving the fans without the club's assistance. Because of these constraints, this will be the last article to appear on Fenerbahçe Worldwide.
Have you talked to the club about this??? What about advertising on the site??
Hey guys lets start a facebook site aiming to force FB to support this site???
& Thnks alot for all you're work !!
thanks for everything.. i <3 u all
Kozak's link a couple of comments over here is a sample of things to come. A group of us realised this morning that we can't live in a world without a place to read about our dear club and discuss events and news with our international brothers and sisters. So, http://globalfenerbahce.blogspot.com/ will with time evolve into a full web site in English about Fener. Hope to see you all there. It can never replace FBWW in terms of journalistic integrity and frequent updates, but we will try to make it a place worth visiting on a regular basis.
FBWW may be gone, but its spirit lives on :)
Why dont you put a place, where we can donate money to keep you guys up?? I would definately give you 20-50 bucks, and if you guys got something from maybe a hundred people, we put our heads together to find ways to bring in income for you.
I really dont think you should abandon this mission due to financial concerns. I think you can grow bigger.
Add on a once a year donation fee... everyone can put what they'd like.
Lets find a way to get some global advertisement to the right side of the screen.
Come on guys... there is more than one way to make money.
But now i got a PM from Macho-morten saying that GlobalFB has been made and wanted me to join the team.
I accepted.
You have no idea how much this website means to many of us.
I really cant believe this.. its only been 2 weeks that i have joined FBWW but straight away its been part of my life style. I visited this website 10 times a day. It wasn't just about the updates and rumors about the team that made me chose this website it was the intelligent discussions that made this website a must visit. Thankyou for everything Nathan and Mehmet Wish you all the best!
Personally speaking,i know turkish very well and it's not a problem for me to follow the FB news on the turkish media,BUT i can honestly say that there isn't any place better than FBWW!It's something with Nathan's/ Mehmet's way of spreading the word,so soft,so gentle,neutral..perfect!I love you guys!4real!
Best wishes and blessings...!!
Typical that a club with NO VISION and NOT A CLUE ABOUT MANAGING things
would not understand the resource that is FBWW and how it has and how it could continue a resource to help the club.
And Fenerbahce's website is a joke.
Let's start with the DONATIONS.... to get some money in your pocket... then lets brainstorm business ideas to keep u going.
I truly enjoyed peoples reactions, the best out there!
Nathan and Mehmet, you guys really created something special here!! I mean, look at all the comments!!
I wish you guys all the luck and thanks for making this all happen.. I'm very sad.....
Greetings from Holland..
Nathan and Mehmet I cannot put into words my deep gratitude for everything you have done for us. You guys are simply amazing. You have truly transformed Fenerbahçe into a worldwide organization. Yes I am a Fenerbahçe fan for life now but I will always be a Fenerbahçe worldwide fan first. Nathan and Mehmet I have never met you guys but I will always see you as friends. It has been an amazing 1 1/2 seasons and thank you again for everything. I wish you guys best in the future.
bloody hell : )
Thank you for everything..
from panama :D
I would like to thank the creators of this web site I hope and lot of people from here join so that we can keep in touch each other. I think the ultimate tribute would be to continue the mission and make sure that Fenerbahçe will remain worldwide.
If you are on facebook there is a fan page as well
from Germany........
We will carry on the legacy of fbww
but what I don't undertsand is why it has been shutdown? Is it money? Is it time? do you need more staff? wanted more readers?
the above stateemtn written doesn't really answer any of these questions.
all I can say is thank you for everything Nahtran and Mehmet! it has certainly been apprecited by us all.
a new blog has already been created.
I personally found out the site was closing down yesterday (I, like may others check the site many times a day) but was too upset to know what to even say. I came to this site for the obvious reason that there was no other english dedicated site. After Turkey's excellent Euro run, I became a fan of turkish football and was fortunate to watch some of Fener's incredible Champ league run. Coming back to the site, I was surprised and delighted to see a site run this well and this professionally, that I could not belive my eyes. This is a very sad time for me as it is for others and like someone has already stated, probably the worst news I've heard this year.
I just like to say that I have lost a lot of respect for Fenerbahce as an organization. To turn you guys down who were in my opinion the best unbias source for club information is a bonehead move. What a slap in the face it must have felt for you guys. If anything they should have seen the importance and significance an english operating website means for them in a marketing standpoint. They should have stuck to their moto " One day, everyone will be a Fenerbahce fan".
Anyways just my 2 cents.
P.S Emre I support you 100% on the new blog site and look forward to checking it out. It will never be FBWW but its better then nothing. For anyone else interested in a Fenerbahce forum I've been following for years...http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/forumdisplay.php?238-Fenerbah%E7e
Where do fans all over the world go to discuss Fenerbahce? Here of course because other sites is mostly only turkish, swedish, french, german, arabic and more...
BUT for those in the NYC area I'm starting an English-speaking Fener supporters group called FenerNYC. Just getting the site up but check it out: http://fenernyc.clanteam.com
take the site down or rename it.
We will not disgrace FBWW dede!
Please come and celebrate the opening of Global Fenerbahce at http://globalfenerbahce.org/globalfenerbahce-news/official-opening-of-globalfenerbahce-org
Better wait until they are finished before opening alot new crappy blogs.
I thank all of you for the great service and wish you the best in your future projects.
Will truely miss you as you have become part of my daily routine.
"Wow that is disgusting..They basically just went ahead and stole what macho, andrei, perlo and I planned to do. Using the exact same name we had come up with"
"Ignore my last comment. We gladly and excitedly welcome globalfenerbahce.org :)!"
So what about macho, andrei and perlo?
Your site are destined to fail.
We talked with their people and came to an agreement of a merge. Thanks for wondering though.
Thanks for your support too. Its great to see we have your full backing towards our aspirations!
Nice working with people going behind others back right in the beginning of the making.
Bound to fail bigtime!
Like Khoda said I hope you guys reconsider and find a way to keep it going. I promise I will stop bashing Nathan's fav. player Kazim. and I promise not to use foul language from now on.
Can you guys resist what's on offer or should I make an offer you can't refuse ;0)
Simple question. What will it take for you to continue FBWW. I am not the type that likes to stop something I love. I cannot express how thankful I am for what you have done but am not ready to part ways yet. Tell us the fans what it is you wanted from yonetim and what it will take to keep Fenerbahce worldwide open. I understand if these matters are private as you may have hinted in your last message; which btw nearly got a tear from me and trust when I say that this means a lot. Can we open a signing list? Can we use our contacts in Turkey to pressure? Can we do anything?
Nathan I am proud of you. As and American you show real Fenerbahce Spirit that is hard to come by.
Mehmet thank you for everything. You have kept me informed on so many levels and your sincerety is unquestionable.
I hope to hear from you.
We aren't "pissing right in the fact of Nathan, Mehmet and rest of FBWW", we are just trying to continue their mission.
The name was semi-coincidental, i was on the phone with my friend who was going delirious over the closure of fbww where as i was no where near a computer. He suggested that I'd start a blog up in memory and suggested some names to me. Amongst them was global FB and it seems that he most likely would have got it from here. I mean no disrespect in any way shape or form.
Lionel_Hurmaci, it is not "my" site- it is all of ours and if anyone would like to contribute in any way shape or form please contact us through email firstname.lastname@example.com.
Also, we have started our prediction league, full of prizes to win! So make sure you get in there and start predicting the score of the Young Boys CL qualifier!
I have been in this website since 4 years and I think nathan was the only one who can build website like this we had here
thanks again Nathan
Hope you all will have a wonderfull life and don't hesitate too much to write articles on this wonderfull site again when you guys miss Fenerbahçe too much..
Tesekkür ederim,
anyway if you need help with the 'new' design - just tell me how you kinda want it then maybe i can help with it.
The last few days have been really hard. We've been reading every comment and hearing from so many of you, and it's been difficult because we didn't want to stop. There has been a sense of guilt, to some degree, at least for me. Mehmet and I didn't want to end Fenerbahce Worldwide and still don't. In fact, we have always wanted to serve you guys at a much, much higher level.
I would like to say thank you for all of the comments, but thank you is not enough. I know it sounds a bit cliche', but all of these comments, facebook messages, etc. have meant everything to us. It made us realize just how many family members we have as a result of FBWW.
I apologize that Mehmet and I have been so silent over the last few days. We've just needed to get away and clear our heads a bit, and we still need to. However, Mehmet and I have a lot of things to evaluate and discuss. We'll be sending out a message soon to discuss further information. However, I wanted to post a comment today so you would know we are reading every comment and have not forgotten about you.
Thank you to each person who left a comment and offered their thanks. I really can't express what I've felt in words. As I said, we'll send out another message soon to your FBWW accounts. Thank you everyone....thank you.
- Nathan
I have to say that im gutted that this website is ending. The joy of opening the internet and having FBWW as my home page allowed me to keep up to date with the club that I love all the way in Australia. Its a shame the club could not come to terms with you guys, because this site helped the fans who dont get to watch games live on TV and or live in Europe be up to date. Thanks for the years,I hope that even though this part of your lives has ended you will get all you deserve and the club will appoint you life members :).
All the best from a Fener fan in Melbourne.
Nathan I'm really glad you guys still thinking about the website and the us (the readers)
Thank you yet again for still thinking about the site!
On a serious note, could you put up a new page before the game so we could start cursing and pulling our hair.
and i'm still wondering why we took kazim back.......hes a little child
This division 4 player from england should go back to the crappy team he once came from. Complete retard is what he is...
he'll cost some money but we will get a great agressive defender with great headers - a good shot - a hell of a pass for it instead and best of it is that he will have no communication problems with Lugano nor the other half of the team.
Önder was a smart transfer back in 2004 but all that years that he could prove himself he failed and after the 2006/2007 season he isn't a regular player anymore - i remember that he was heading for Moskova but he wanted to come back because Zico left while he already signed but i guess Fenerbahçe payed his buy out i believe it was something like 300.000 euros.
anyway Önder who is a Galatasaray fan is probably just staying because Aziz doesn't want him to go to Galatasaray - i can't find and other reason for it.
and for Bekir - there are only a few good Turkish defenders - Bekir isn't one of them but he is close to them and because of that he won't complain about his playing time while others will probably do.
btw our back ups have always been below level - first we had Can Arat and Yasin Çakmak who had to replace Lugano and Edu - the difference was maybe even more then it is now.
Take your time... and let us know what we can do to help you keep this website up. I do hope you decide to :-)
Hablo solo un poco de inglés pero lo entiendo perfectamente :)... vivo en el estado de Michoacán, en una ciudad que se llama Zamora (cerca de Guadalajara y Morelia :P).
Saludos hermano.
PD: Soy hombre haha.
Which brings me to Nathan and Mehmet - don't get carried away guys. First of all, maybe I should have contributed sooner. But, I'm sure there are many more people who visit your site than are registered. Even though I watched the games last season, I still came here to read the reports and the comments. The countdown in hours and minutes before the next game was also a godsend, believe me!! Deserting this site will affect many more than you think.
Secondly, if you have been offered lucrative deals like you say - just take them. Don't just abandon ship!! Everyone needs to make a livng and have time to sip a beer. Do what needs to be done.
Thirdly, I had wondered many months ago how this site funded itself. Guys, this is a professional site that should not rely on the creators volunteering their time!! Anladame?? Get it funded somehow - if FB corporate guys don't want to know then show them what they've missed. In the American vernacular "sock it to 'em". It's not like you are starting with an idea from scratch - you have a product and a customer base, just use it.
I respect all the other guys contrinuting to this site and I can totally understand why some are setting up other forums, so they can keep an English update of Fener alive.
But, the truth is Nathan & Mehmet, an English update of Fener is still alive here. Just look at the comments that keep comng. Even people are commenting that they come here just to check the comments. Even people who prefer to be barflys are registering on a site that is officially over just to say something to you.
Or is it over? OK guys, I have a feeling I've written a fair bit and as I am a reluctant contributer, I'm an even more reluctant proff raeder so forgive me if this post is filled with absurdities but it comes from the heart.
Time to go but listen - Nathan & Mehmet - you need time yes. You need money absolutely. Both can be made a reality. Just take a new approach, keep the site, make all these people happy, make yourselves happy and make Fenerbace corporate schmucks sorry they turned you away.
I know you are journalists - just look at the media you have been involved in. Just carry it on dudes, nobody does it better, nobody does it quite the way you do. Oh god I can feel a song coming on, I'm going..
Can someone sumurize
Anyhow the team is not that great, better we go out here than get thrashed and embarced in the next round
we can still win so nothing is lost yet but i think it's a shame that a club with that much money can play that bad for 3 years (3th season) now and every time you think it gets better it's getting worse! aaaarghhhhhh *&!^!&@*!&!@#
Lugano and GG need to stop. They are always tired in the training and getting hurt a lot over the past 3-4 years.
Also it is time to get rid of that cancer Alex. Making a foregin player a captain of a big Turkish club is bad thing to do. Alex is one of the biggest coach killers ever many coaches have lost their jobs because of him whether it was in Brazil or Turkey.
For me I would stand in the middle and get a little boy from the stands and tell the little boy to show all the players how to pass a ball.
at least it would explain a lot cuz this isn't even the toenail of Fenerbahçe in the season 2007/2008
I know everyone hate guiza but I am sure in this game he would have worked his socks off and done better than Gunal, why did wait so long to bring semih in is beyond me
I never wanted Daum to leave. Aykut is too blame for the lose today. He doesn't know how to coach that is why he has been fired from Istanbulspor, Konya, and Ankaraspor. He is a softy, this guy felt sorry for stupid Trabzon after he beat them on the last day of the 1995-96 season. I was so happy Ali Sen kicked him out of Fenerbahce. You never ever feel sorry for opponent.
Engin, I agree that hes not coaching material, but the players did not do ANYTHING today. No pressure on the ball, hell they weren't even attempting to pressure the ball. Careless passing, volkan and emre were our best players today hands down. It's like i'm seeing the 2008-2009 season all over again.
Zico did great in the CL eliminated by Chelsea who would have been the champions if Terry didn't slept so where you talking about?
Aykut to blame for the transfers? no Aziz is - we don't have scouts at the club so thats pretty why we have bad transfers and Cristian was Daum's transfer btw.
and Özer - Topuz - Bilica did do great at there old clubs while Santos did also ok last year with us.
Zico blew 5 league games during the 07/08. Aykut has been the Sporting Director of the Club since last May. He was the in charge of scouting and signing players. These signings are his mistakes.
Daum didn't cost us the title, Trabzon and Besiktas did. Besiktas let Bursa beat them and Trabzon broke their deal with us. They were suppose to take the League Cup and let us score 10 goals on them on final day.
- Zico blew 5 games away? if we wouldnt have scored like 20 lucky goals in extra time this season then Daum would have blew 20 games away this season
- Zico had to focuss on the CL btw orders from the 'big boss' Aziz you know.
- Daum didn't cost us the title? wake up there wasn't any deal people where just saying (hoping) that because Trabzon eat us alive at the cup final - the fault of Besiktas - Trabzon and Bursamis yeahhh then the lost title of 2008 is also the fault of Galatasaray not ours and also all those others from the years before.
come onnnn
it's a fault of the board btw for let one man care of all the transfers while he has no scouting history or what ever.
Most of all though, KING AZIZ THE GREAT THE MAGNIFICIENT and his standard-bearer Kocaman need to lead that exodus of failed potential.
I'm still stumped on why we transfered such a useless defender from Genc :/
Young Boys 7
Fenerbahce 0
I think that sums up the day..
its true.. no need to get angry us supporters wanted Aykut Kocaman.
Since when were Topuz, Cristian and Ozer bad transfer?
Seriously you're all acting like immature idiots. Cristian has been nothing but awesome for us.
He supported Aragones 100%, Daum 100% and is support Kocaman 100%.
BUT, I know that Alex contributed a lot to FB and this guy deserves a "heykel" at sukru saracoglu. I just think that his time has come.
All of the 2003/04, Most of the 2004/05 season, half the 2005/06 and 06/07 seasons. Usually everytime Alex has been out of the line-up for the past 3 seasons.
Big clubs in different top flight leagues usually play a 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-3-1-2 formations. But in our league we have it backwards.
We payed lots money and gave up 3 players to bring both Ozer and Topuz. Both of them haven't lived to their high prices due to poor performances, lack of production, and many injuires. Cristian has done nothing for us expect for scoring 2 nices goals and a fluke goal against the worse goalie to ever play in Turkey.
Topuz - Özer and Bilica where stunnin transfers on paper sometimes it just won't happen at a club due to the system or what ever look at Henry at Juve they sold him after 1 year then look at him at the Gunners or Diego Ribas/Felipe Melo/Guiza/Quaresma etc. at there old clubs and after there transfer - look at the 2 best players in the world Messi and Ronaldo how brilliant they do at there clubs but how bad for there country.
Check him out on youtube, he has scary pace and skill, multi dimensional.
Yes, 2 years ago. Now he is Cancer Alex! When a player do more harm to the game then good just because of age/speed then he is a Cancer and just like real cancer you have to cut him out of the squad to heal it. Yes he is a legend, and yes he did allot of good for fener but his time is over. Get over it! Look for young blood. Turkish people need to understand just because a player was good once does not mean he will stay good the rest of his life.
Its annoying people want alex on the pitch all the time. GET IT IN YOUR HEAD. IN FOOTBALL CHANGE IS GOOD AFTER A WILE!
Alex isn't the one out there getting red cards or allowing Volkan's box to be bombarded with attacks.
Think about that.
We need to get rid of players who abandon the team.
all players are like 'simarik kizlar' at the moment - 'we get paid anyway why should we do something' looks like the actual motto.
Man if you want change start with the oldest dude first. If Fenerbahce get rid of the old cancer alex it will send a signal to the rest of the team. Saying if you dont do your job we CHANGE you! doesn't matter who the you are! Legend or not! You are here to win and nothing els is acceptable.
watch who you talking to, dont ever call me honorless again or i will talk back to you in another way.
Anyway, when you got a company and workers working for you and someone of your workers cant do there job like they use to then you replace him. If you keep him it will affect your whole company. The production would not be as high as it was and that affects both results and the rest of the team mates. So the guy become just like cancer. something that have to go in away.
Anyway. People call alex legend. I dont call him legend. Alex is nothing. Fenerbahce is everything. We should not thank Alex. He should thank us we let him play in our team. Thats the difference between real supporters. Just like religion no one can compare them self to god. ONLY GOD can be called GOD! Alex is just a man, once a very talented man that did allot good for Fenerbahce. But Fenerbahce always comes first and Fenerbahce is the only Legend in my eyes.
and Alex still does his job better then all the other 'workers' - the whole club needs a replacement from Aziz to Ilhan there are really a lot players not worth playing for Fenerbahçe but you hear no one about them.
uhhh i don't say that Alex comes above Fenerbahçe but he did a lot - almost no one knew about Fenerbahçe before Alex' arrival but we showed ourselfs thanks to Alex to the world and now almost anyone knows us - not only Turks.
Alex should left 2 years ago. Go search youtube and look up why Ronaldinho "left" Paris St. Germain and Barcelona. The coach that "made" Ronaldinho in Paris St. Germain tells a pretty good story. Football players especially Brazilian once have a thing about getting lazy and lose focus. But dumb farmer supporters that think everything that once was good will always stay good dont understand that. Thats why Fenerbahce only did something in Champion League once. And why Fenerbahce cant even beat a team like Young Boys in there own stadium.
"Kick Daum"
"Kick Aragones"
"Kick Aykut"
The only world they can is Istifa the coach.
A Turkish captain is what Fenerbahce needs. But dont you think Emre have little to much problems with his anger to wear the captain band?
Players like Dia who was awsome against young boys and stoch cant play in a 4-5-1 system. We have a selection that doesnt fit the 4-5-1 system only 1 player can play in that system and that is Alex.
All the others shine in line ups like 4-3-3 of 4-3-1-2 or 4-4-2.
We saw Kozak how we play for 3 year long with 1 striker. How manny cups?
Its time to play with 2 strikers or we need a new meastro. A new Alex. Or we need 2 killers or at least 1 and play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3.
*Godin,Serdar Tasci, Marina, Alex, Naldo, Luisiao etc.
**Gyan, Niang, Samaras, Altidore, Biabiany, Huntelaar, Robinho, Fabiano, Forlan, Podolski, Gomez etc.
Finally, Thank God!
again sorry Nathan&Mehmet.
i've also send Nathan a PM with my apologies and to notice all this.
---- I'm really shocked and upset that this has had to be the comment I post on this editorial.
---- Once again, on behalf of Nathan and myself, I want to repeat our gratitude for all your messages of support. We have not forgotten about all of you out there.
But i want to thank you for cleaning up and we havent forgotten you either!
Rubin Kazan made offer of 7 mill Euro for Guiza!
What do you guys think about Trabozen' playing Liverpool that will be great match to watch, I am going to put my money on Trabozen
etc. etc.
Someone (Aziz?) has been mispresenting the financial condition of Fenerbahce over the last couple of years. I don't think they have any money.
I don't know how we will attract new players and coaches to Fenerbahce in the future.
All of us fans have been punked.
anyway nowadays the board probably knows that they spended too much on transfers and now they don't want to pay those ridiculous price tags but the clubs are still asking the jackpot because they know that Fenerbahçe spended way too much in the past so why wouldn't they try?
another problem is the coach - it doesn't mean everything but if you have a worldfamous coach (as coach or player doesn't care much) it's quit easier to get big names.
say Daum and they will only know him in Germany - Austria and Turkey ofcourse.
say Kocaman and they say who?! in all countries but Turkey.
i remember the names we tried to attract and they where listening when we had Zico and Aragones as coaches - that they didn't came is probably because the league or there club at that moment because it where really big names (Xabi - Robinho - Guardado - Vagner Love - Senna etc.) and it's to bad that we did get a cheap replacement instead of them.
you can also look at Besiktas - they where in negotiantions with Quaresma a long time and negotiantions where going bad but the deal was done when they signed Bernd and after him they did even get Guti! the same for Galatasaray - players want to play for Rijkaart and we should be happy that they don't have money to spend otherwise we would have to fight for the 3th place with clubs like Bursa - Kayseri and Trabzon.
anyway - 16 mil for Gyan isn't ridiculous he is doing good in the French league had a good WC and is worth that money but he isn't the type of player Fenerbahçe needs right now - we need someone like Lisandro Lopez or Gomis who they also tried to sign.
but if you try to claim that they havent learned about spending money you are wrong - they still don't know much about scouting but that also is better - we've signed 2 young potential wingers.
hf bye
this is Turkey - it's a jealous neighbour business.
Aziz stole Topuz out of the hands of Yildirim so he wanted revenge (this is also easy to see at the caps he was giving Quaresma and Guti) - and thanks to Bernd he has it now.
this is Turkey - where it's more important that the rivals win nothing then to win everything yourself... unfortunately....
btw if the fans didn't want Aykut as coach and young players then we would also have signed players like Quaresma and Guti but that can still happen.
and as far as i know it's just a rumour - if you have a link that it's confirmed please send it because Fenerbahçe itself is denying it.
All the intelligent people of this site have disappeared. Waste of time visiting this site nowadays."
Quoting my self is enough!
now please only talk about Football or Fenerbahçe itself in here man and stop reacting like a donkey just because i wrote it.
bye mr miyagi.
anybody else want to bet on this?
Just to add more fuel..
Gyan is a B-E-A-S-T!
Gyan won't come - they canceled negotiations - this is confirmed by Pierre Dreossi who is in Stade Rennes' board while Marseille don't want to sell Niang also confirmed by there coach so yes Ozan it seems like we won't get Gyan nor Niang - hopefully they have a good replacement in there minds.
maybe they should look in another country then France - they are long enough there without really good results.
In many ways i think they should take these rejections as a blessing because they are not the most pressing of transfer needs.
Ill say it now, but i really do think that if Fener fails to make any CB transfers, we will see one of the most embarressing seasons.
I also think Kocaman is a bust for Fener. He looks lost and out of his depth. When the team falls behind he has no answers whatsoever. And judging by his post game comments, he really cant see what is wrong with his squad.
This leads me on to Aziz, because even if you were trying to fail, could you really make as many errors as aziz has made these last 3 years when it comes team managment. It leads me to believe that the zico era was more of a fluke then any shred business decisions made by Aziz. Its quite possible that as long as Aziz remains the chairman of the club, then Fener will always remain a second rate club on the european stage. Yet their Financiall position dictates that they should be competitng in the champions league every season at least.
Ill also apoligise here for any past comments that may have seemed alittle harsh. I have a brother who uses the same account and hes a lot less emotionaly reserved then i am when commenting on the team or the various posted messages.
If this happens then this season we wont play for the title
Im still going to give Aykut Kocaman some time. Our squad still is not at full strength and you can see we are desperatley missing Lugano. Ilhan is a horrible transfer, Bekir is a terrible defender and Bilica is just the worst defender to ever wear this jersey. People expected us to beat Young Boys but at this rate even if we did go through there would be no chance of us advancing to the group stages. Unfortunaetly all I see is a dark tunnel with no light at the end for a good couple of seasons. Aykut will quit before he's fired, and a rushed replacement will be poorly chosen which will impact on next season as well. This is going to happen because our fanbase is not patient, even as I read up I'm reading that Aykut is not the man for the job or something similar.
Ah well Aziz got us into this mess.
The coach whos idea was that Fenerbahce should NEVER lose to such teams like Sherrif, Sion, Young Boys, FC Twente, Steau!
The coach whos idea was that to fill the team with fighters!
The coach whos idea was that Fenerbahce > ALL
The coach who led us to 1 point behind the champions! To the Turkish cup final!
The only consequences we've been suffering is the one that we've been suffering for years - Aziz Yildirim. As long as this man is in charge, I'm afraid we won't reach that next level we've all been waiting for.
Just look at all the other branches Fenerbahce has, how many of them were champions this year? Most of them, the only branch that has failed consistently over the years has been football and this is because Aziz keeps sticking his nose in where its not wanted. He's the one that deals with half time team talks, thats not his job, thats the manager. This is why players like Aurelio and Tuncay left. If he could just only deal with the financial aspect of the club which he has done so well in and hire other people to do all the other things than this club could actually go somewhere. I thought he was making progress when he appointed Aykut as Sporting Director of Football but like always its one step forward and two steps back with this club.
Daum was here to get us back to our normal level and he did that and nobody respected him for it!
And now we sacked him we are right back where we started from!
Fenerbahce look like the biggest bunch of idiots to have sacked Daum!
Daum will never be respected by me, the man has coke orgies with hookers and even called Stoch a 'type c player'. Stoch has so far proved him wrong and if it were upto Daum we would of transferred someone like Martin Petrov. Daum in my books will always be a type Z manager.
Also, i don't think Daum was ever good enough to manage FB and I didn't like the football we played under him. We need a strong coach, and if we want to attract top talent from abroad we also need an experienced and recognisable manager. I'm afraid i only foresee more years in the wilderness under Aziz and Aykut.
But i think the truth is that no matter who we get as a manager that it wont make much difference to how we play, because it seems that managers are not allowed to manage at Fener. Aziz does all the managing yet he has no proven success record of it.
Even the last time Fener had daum, after he was sacked he said it doesnt matter if they get the best manager in the world because he will not be allowed to manage. He went on to say that Fener needed better defenders and should get new transfers in, so the board got him forwards instead. This all sound similar to this transfer period?
Loads of transfers rumours for attacking players, but next to none for defenders, yet everyone can see here that we need better defenders more then anything else.
Infact i think it would have been better for Fener to have lost by a wide margin to young boys instead of a narrow margin. Because its going to take a lot of big shocks in quick succession to get any significant change at Fener. Otherwise we will witness many more years of partial failures, backed up with vivid promises of new transfers and greater aims.
Thats scum man. I like Stoch too but he hasn't exactly shown what it takes by abandoning the team.
The club knew there was a problem in the defense, but they signed Stoch and Dia, why? They both are good players, but after the team signed Stoch Dia came as a surplus and that was proven when Aykut didn't use Ozer or Deived in the second leg against Young Boys, if they want to bench Deived, then SELL him, not release, sell for 3 millions, he can be sold for this or lets say 2 million easily. However, the club saw that this team conceded 5 goals against Koln and did nothing for the defense. If the club is arrogant enough not to pay a transfer fee for a defender then they should sign someone for free, maybe Gallas or Rigobert Song... Unfortunately, Gallas is going to join. Dont get me wrong Gallas is good but the transfer came way too late. These kind of mistakes must be the cause behind Aziz's or Aykut's (the one responsible between them for the transfers) resignmint.
Gonul Lugano Gallas Santos
Dia Emre Cristian stoch
Kazim/ Niang
Subs: Mert, Bekir, Ilhan, Selcuk, Caner, Semih, Alex
What do you guys think?
Unal for 4 mill Euros
Boral for 2-3 Mill euros
Deivid for 2-3 Mill euros
Bilica could be used for exchange and plus 10 mill euros offer for Miranda who can also partner with Lugano
By the way, I'll eat my shoe if Necip Uysal won't be chosen as player of the year at the end of the season. Undoubtly the biggest talent in the Turkish league at the moment.
Theres more impressive players on besiktas's team at the moment then the kid you mentioned. But i would love for Turkey to discover another Turkish player of Arda Turan's quality. If the Turkish national team had 2 more players as capable as arda Turan we would win the worldcup.
Its a shame that boral is so inconsistant and injury prone, because at his peak he is one of the best wingers in the world. Players like Stoch or Caner wouldnt even get a sniff if boral was in form. Another wasted talent i think.
I also hope that caner isnt wasted at Fenerbahce either. On the wing hes just as capable as stoch, and if i had the choice i rather that position go to a player that will benefit the national team.
fenerbahce R.I.P"
Funny how "true fans" talk about Fenerbahce!
Not to mention we came down from Champions League for this!
Transition my ass!
Aragones wasn't given a transition period! He qualified for the Champions League group stages!
Daum wasn't given a transition period! He topped Europa League group, came 2nd in the league and 2nd in the Turkish Cup!
We booted his ass!
You guys are plastic.
do you actually think we would of gone anywhere with daum? last time we gave him time, yes we won the championship but were we any better in the champions league? NO.
I was one of those few who constantly said Bilica WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Fenerbahce!
How was it not working with Daum? How? 2nd place in the league! Our players had respect! We were "favourites"! Runners up in Turkish cup! BEST DEFENCE! WINNING GAMES!
We gave Daum 1 season and look what he achieved:
-brought a squad that wasn't even his to 2nd place!
-Earned Fenerbahce European success in 1 damn season! Aykuts now gone and lost any respect we had!
-Brought the BEST out of Volkan
-The BEST out of Santos
-The BEST out of Gokhan
-The BEST out of Cristian
It looks like you decide to make up s**t and just pin it on me.
Also just a big screw you to anyone that gave me crap for saying Ozer was a winger and thats how he would be played!
Unlike Aykut, Daum didn't get to make all these flashy transfers! He had to deal with what he had! 2nd place, runner up in Turkish cup and a respectable top 32 position in Europa League with a squad that wasn't even his!
And don't start saying that you were saying Bilica was not good enough for Fenerbahce. You're confusing yourself with me, I was the one that was against this transfer since day 1 and I got slated for it. When Lugano got injured, everyone finally saw how bad Bilica really is and I was right all along.
How can you say it was Daum that bought the best out of Gokhan? It was Zico that made Gokhan the player he is today! Thanks to him and Roberto Carlos there is no way Gokhan would of adopted the same style as Cafu/Carlos.
How it wasn't working with Daum? Did you see the way we were playing? Daum is local, small time manager who has enough hustle to grab a minor success, like winning the league or cup or maybe a big game or two. But as far as CL goes, we won't be having a good time with him.
However, Daum can have moments, perfect subs, tactics spot on, but really the main game plan is to outwork the opposition and that comes with some world class fitness coach that he has had by his side for generations it seems.
Daum is very average, he doesn't suck, but much like Aziz he does have an ego that shows up from time to time, whether it was not to play Roberto Carlos for his entire last match which I believe he should've, or take so long to play Ozer, or even if we look back and see his dispute with Pierre. I can only imagine it takes the boys high up to make sure he does some changing and throw his ego to the side.
Frankly, he was lucky with Fenerbahce in the past. His first season he had a flawless free kicker, and a complete breakdown from a better Besiktas side. In his second season he had an Alex that came here to prove something and was on extremely good form the entire year... not that he hasn't been since. In his third year, well, im glad he failed because it brought Zico, but in his third year, we had Appiah and Anelka, this team was on paper the strongest it ever was in his previous two years but they failed to win the championship. Not that its brought down to 100% blame to Daum, because the players after all are the more responsible ones when it comes to results on the pitch.
From what i remember Daum played a line-up that was as good as it could possibly be. Apart from the retarded fans stopping the game every 10 minutes the team didn't look convincing.
Daum did transition us from some of the worst football we've played in our recent history... The Lorant and Oguz Cetin era were just horrible.
However, if you look at Zico's team, it was completely different, almost half the line-up changed in his first season, and then the team that went to the CL quarter Final, there was basically no players left from the Daum era bar Volkan and Alex.
So Daum didn't really set the path for Zico's success, but rather Daum raised the bar for Fenerbahce's rep in Europe, increasing the quality of players we were able to attract as we became CL regulars under Daum - Zico just transformed that new rep into some serious success on the pitch.
"Fans are still asking for Fenerbahçe to make a defensive transfer better than Bilica, but honestly why replace what's already great? " LOL
"Fabio Bilica – 8.0
Was one of the outstanding players on the pitch. Was a menace to Antalyaspor's attack and equally a menace to their attack when he had the chance to move up the field. Watched a direct header fly just over the bar and almost scored a goal with an overhead kick which hit the post. His partnership with Lugano grows stronger with every game."
These were all the games you did player ratings in (All the others were done by Edis Koc) and every single one you rated Bilica higher than Lugano. It was like you were watching a totally different game, while I was giving Bilica ratings of just 1 (and that 1 was just for turning up to the game).
today the transfer period ends so it seems like guiza stays.. he might be a good sub but the now we have too many foreigners.. who could be subbed so that guiza could play?? if guiza and niang will play together it could be a great combination.. only way this could be possible would be by subbing alex. maybe like this:
hehe would be quite offensive though
And about Kazim, Guiza etc its the best thing that could happen. Telling this players to find new clubs is the best thing that could happen. Thank attitude this players have is just bringing the rest of the team down.
Thank you again mate!
1. at least guiza gets paid an huge amount of money and he would definitely be a good sub for niang. maybe the competition will even bring him to a better form.. so its stupid to pay to him such money without using him
2. letting both players not play until january will surely shrink their market value so in january they will most likely for guiza not even an offer which is comparable to what hercules offered..
good job aykut!
Bekir on the other hand is centreback not a right back
If they were so terrible go ask why Mehmet and Nathan allowed it to be published on the site.
And how am I hypocritical? Do you even know what that word means?
do you really think I care about Mehmet and Nathan?
And how is it Alex's fault for getting kicked out of CL and EL? As far as I'm concerned its the coaches problem in which competitions we are currently competing in.
And yeah I changed my opinion when Lugano got injured because we got to see how shit Bilica was by himself. Its easy to be fooled when someone makes someone else look great.
Kind of like how Volkan makes the Turkish national team defense look good.
But whatever, you can believe what you want to believe and call me what you want to call me.
And why is it that you question Alex's legend status?
Anyone who knows Fenerbahce knows the contribution he has made to Fenerbahce. Damn, if you honestly think Alex isn't a legend how bout we erase all those goals and assists that he saved us with?
We would have never qualified for the round of 16 in Champions League without Alex in 2007-08. He was the assist king of Champions league in the year.
Try deny that.
- Daum being a crap manager
- Bilica a hopeless defender
- Alex NOT to be dropped
- Roberto Carlos being our best left back we've had in our history. Now I don't mind criticism to his performances but "His first touch was good today" or "He crossed too hard today" is not criticism, it's an 11 year's old perspective of football.
Now since we're still crying about the Europe run and our opponents -PAOK is indeed not a big club in Greece but they know how they play football, in these times low budget clubs can achieve success, just look at Bursaspor or Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga.
PAOK almost eliminated Ajax, I bet that every Turkish team would have a hard time with PAOK, our problem is that we underestimate our opponents all the time.
And I also do prefer aykut over daum anyday, all we ever did with daum is just score one goal and play defense throughout the entire game, it's stupid to even watch that. He never gave the young players a chance at all, just in games against like altay or something. We also played at a really slow pace and that also pisses me off, I just want to see fast pace attacking soccer, and thats what aykut is trying to do. I still see the light in this team even though we got eliminated from both EL and europa cup. If daum was still here, he would probably start guiza over niang. Aykut knows what hes doing, it's gonna take some time, i'd rather see us play legit fast pace attacking soccer then win the league. And aykut isn't afraid to bench anybody if there playing bad or acting retarded, look what happened with kazim and santos, we don't need players like that if they keep acting like little babies or playing as if they don't even care. Why do you guys think we didn't get quaresma? simply cause of his horrible reputation and his bitchy attitude, we already dealt with players like that, so why go through this phase again. Other then that we were going to sign him during the 2009/2010 winter transfer season, but I think we made the right choice of not getting him.
But there is also one thing that pisses me off, no matter what transfer we get, the fans are NEVER happy. Hell if messi joined nobody would still be happy, I really don't know why they're always like this. And i really hate how the fans tell fenerbahce how to run their board, let them do there fucking job. seriously its really stupid for even trying to do something like that.
Also one thing I am happy about is that we finally transferred NO BRAZILIAN PLAYERS, as much as they piss me off. I'm glad we didn't transfer any. I'm sick of them being on our team, they show absolutely no heart when they play for us, the only player show showed heart every single game he's player from 1st minute until 90th minute was luciano, I still wish we kept him when he was injured and still would have bought lugano, those two would be an unstoppable defensive duo.
Even though I disagree with some of kozaks opinions, guys, stop hating on kozak, seriously. it's his opinion, live with it, we all have a different opinion when it comes down to talking about fenerbahce.
You idiot. Ugur started as left back u moron! Santos played a game on alex his position. He rocked! He got skills and speed. He is to good for the left back. In Turkey he can play as AM. It would be a waste to start him as LB.
Emre always played as LM. But i want him as LCM. But you dont understand tactics u cow!
I dont always agree with Kozak. But its his opinion i respect!
Vivalavi I respected you in the beginning but not anymore.
I love our squad now.
Hello Polat10! :D Good ur still here!
And Aykut over Daum any day. I rather lose then see my team play crappy defensive football where the mostly do 1-1 or 2-2 games against sh**ty teams. Teams that Fener should crush!
Dude that wasn't me?! You were fighting with Memz! Its even in this same topic!
Once again you were fighting with Memz, not me, Memz!
polat10 i agree with you on everything you said except that the fans are always unhappy about the transfers.. i think when we signed rc or even guiza noboday way unhappy. but if the club promisses "big signings" just to get players nobody even heard of its naturally disappointing. noting q7s current performances i also disagree with you that it was a good idea to not get him..
btw, what you mean by "Ronaldinho was great! Eto was great! C. Ronaldo was great. Come on there is a lot of football players that been great. But they come and the go."?? Neither of this player came or go to fener? i think i would have noticed :)
actually i am fine with the new transfer policy as well of bringing young and hungry players but its the superstars who decide games..
Anyway, all those players i talked about have been a key player in there teams for a while and the team have been "build" around them. But as we all know these players have changed teams and the teams where they used to play changed there playstyle/tactics to something new. Remember players come and go. But the team stays the same. Every great player will become less good with time. Even sometimes a great player needs to change team to boost his own performance.
Look at Guti, He is AMAZING and he is 31. but not amazing enough for Real Madrid. Change is good.
Polat dude i kinda agree with u on Alex that he is past his prime and that yes some games he should play on the bench but the thing is about this brazilian legend is that no matter how old he gets he still is in the right place at the right time to score and give tons of assists aswell, the guy reminds me of klose, klose dosent play the best football in the world but hes a striker and his job is ONLY TO PUT THE BALL IN THE BACK OF THE NET, and that is what hes been doing for the whole of his career, SO I BELIEVE ALEX SHOULD PLAY ALOT OF GAMES BUT we should try out our amazing young stars alot more often like we ddi with okan alkan
I mean look at our current line-up wothout stupid guiza and bilica in it:
FULL OF STAR PLAYERS AND INSETAD OF PLAYING ALEX ALL THE TIME IN ATTACKING MID WE CAN PUT SEMIH IN UPFRONT WITH NIANG, THIS FENERBAHCE TEAM IS EXPLOSIVE, finally weve got a player with nearly the same qualities as lugano two amazing wing backs, the defensive midfield is as strong as steel the wingers are top class, fast, skillful and amazing, the strikers are explove and hungry for goals and our youngsters are absolutely amazing i think aykut has done a great job by getting such amazing players:
Okan Alkan
Caner Erkin
Ozer Hurmaci
Issiar Dia
Gokay Iravul
Abdulakadir Kayali
Furkan Aydin
Mert Fehmi Gunok
Hasan Erbey
Berk Elitez
I love how he got rid of all the wastes of space like Deivid,Onder,Deniz,Bilgin,Babacan etc
first one
second one
and last one
PRESS CAPS LOCK ONE MORE TIME AND YOU CAN write normal like this :)
Then i would put christian on the bench and put Topuz there instead. That way we would be able to play Santos and Dia at the same time and we would get rid of the lazy christian thats not in any good form right now anyway!
Thing about Alex is that he can have a bad game till the 85th minute and still manage to pull something out of the hat and produce a moment of magic. It's the same as Henry at Arsenal or even Diamanti when he was at West Ham.
That line up as 7 foreigners serdar.
Mert Gunok
Caner Erkin
Okan Alkan
Issiar Dia
Cristian Baroni
Semih Senturk
Ozer Hurmaci
We can play:
Ozer for Kazim
Okan for Gonul
Baroni for Topuz
Caner for A.Santos/Stoch
Semih for Niang/Alex
I.Dia for Stoch/Kazim
We should play like this:
Mert Gunok
Caner Erkin
Okan Alkan
Issiar Dia
Cristian Baroni
Semih Senturk
Ozer Hurmaci
Injured players: Yobo & Ugur
so most likely it will be
Line up second half!:
Lets bring our comming star Okan Alkan. A 17 year old talent! Lets try gokhan as defanding midfielder instead of Selcuk or baroni who both are crap!
Alex is good against lil teams but nog against big teams. Not anymore. I prefer stoch!
Or you can try this one first half and swith it to the line up above^ in the second half. So we can compare those 2 line ups...
Line up first half!:
..................1 Volkan......................
...4 Okan.....2 Lugano...3 Yobo...8 Santos......
..................7 Gökhan......................
...10 Dia......6 Topuz.....5 Emre...11 Stoch....
.....................9 Niang....................
Yedekler: Serkan, Caner, Kazim, Alex, Semih, Unal, Baroni
..................1 Volkan...................
..2 Gökhan..3 Serdar.....4 Ömer....5 Ugur...
.....6 Sissoko..7 L.Diarra..8 Muntari.....
...............10 Sessegnon................
..........9 Niang©.......11 Emenike.........
Serkan,Ceyhun Gulselam, Hasan Ali, Emre, Topuz, Semih, Dia
Muntari, Diarra, Sessegnon, Sissoko are all subs at their clubs. They want to leave. Ask Appiah, Niang, Dia and Okocha to help buying them. Omer Toprak, Hasan Ali, Serdar Kesimal, Ceyhun Gulselam and Emenike can leave their clubs because they want to make the next step in their career...
Inter Milan can buy Lugano for 5 milj + Muntari
Real Madrid can buy Santos for 5 milj + L Diarra
Sell Guiza to PSG for Sessegnon + 3 milj
Bilica, Selcuk, Ilhan Eker, Bekir + and okan on loan and 5 milj for Emenike
Alex transferfree to Coritibita
Yobo to Everton 0 euro
Sissoko for 7 - 8 milj
Ömer Toprak for 5 milj
Serdar Kesimal for 5 milj + Gokhan Ünal
Ceyhun Gülselam for 3 milj
Hasan Ali for Gökay and özer + 1 milj
But anyway. Where are the daum lovers? Dont see them anymore muahahhahaha!
Seriously, Alex will shut his doubters up again and again. So happy he'll be around next season as well.
Gokhan-Lugano-Serdar KEsimal-SAntos
Selcuk Inan-EMre


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Continuing along in our occasional series on "Welcoming All Families" to our childbirth classes, this two part guest post is written by Pam Vireday, creator of the Well-Rounded Mama blog. Are your childbirth classes friendly to women of size? What special accomodations and resources do larger-sized mothers-to-be need if any? In today's post, Pam discusses a check list of items that you might consider when teaching childbirth classes and on Thursday, Pam shares how to promote in your classes optimum outcomes at the births of these mothers.- Sharon Muza, S&S Community Manager
Although the exact numbers vary according to the source used, it is no secret that many women of childbearing age are "overweight" or "obese"* by government standards. This means that, sooner or later, most doulas, childbirth educators and health care providers will have women of size as clients or patients.
Many birth professionals are unsure of how to address the unique needs of this group. At a time when the media messages around obesity and pregnancy are almost uniformly negative and scare-mongering, it is important that birth professionals create a place for women of size to discuss their unique concerns without judgment.
Research shows that many larger people find the terms "obese" and "overweight" stigmatizing. Although size-acceptance activists prefer the word "fat," some people cannot hear this term neutrally, and euphemisms like "fluffy" can feel patronizing.
Birth professionals are encouraged to notice and adopt the terminology used by clients for themselves. Until then, use more neutral terms like "plus-sized" or "women of size." (Further discussion of the relative merits of various terms can be found here.)
Create a Safe Space
Most larger women have been negatively judged by others for their weight, and the disapproval is never stronger than when they consider pregnancy. Women of size need a non-judgmental space where they can feel free to discuss their concerns for pregnancy without being shamed, lectured to, or made to feel like "bad mothers."
Your job as a birth professional is to create this safe place. Examine your own biases about weight, eating, and health. Question your assumptions and engage with each woman as an individual. Utilize reflective listening, assist them in researching special issues, and neutrally explore proactive behaviors that might help address their concerns.
Make Sure Facilities Are Size-Friendly
Ask yourself ─ are your facilities friendly to larger bodies? Do you have armless chairs? Seating that is easy to get up from? Restrooms that accommodate larger people? Comfortable facilities set the tone for a space that is welcoming to all sizes.
Remember that getting up and down from the floor can be difficult for many women in pregnancy, not just heavier women. Have a few low stools around that women can use to help boost themselves up. Also be sure your birth balls are appropriate for heavier women; a little higher and a little more heavy-duty balls can be helpful.
Address Special Equipment Needs
The correct blood pressure cuff size is vital for larger people. A too-small cuff can artificially inflate blood pressure readings and result in unnecessary intervention.
According to guidelines from the American Heart Association, people with upper arm circumferences above about 13.4 inches (34 cm) need a "large adult" cuff, while those with a circumference above about 17.3 inches (44 cm) need a "thigh" cuff. If in doubt, measure the client's arm and cross-check it against the reference range printed on the BP cuff.
Some care providers resist using larger cuffs, so women or their support people may need to be quite assertive about utilizing the correct cuff size.
Discuss Breastfeeding When Well-Endowed
Some high-BMI women are quite well-endowed. This can present special challenges in breastfeeding, yet many women receive no information on how to meet these challenges. Cover a variety of nursing positions and techniques, including the football hold, which may be more useful for well-endowed women.
Have Additional Resources Available for Women of Size
A consistent problem for women of size is the difficulty in finding resources for their specific needs. For example, finding maternity clothes or a nursing bra in a larger size can be a major problem. Many women appreciate having a list of companies that specialize in plus-size maternity products.
Address Potential Risks and Complications
While the possibility of complications must be acknowledged, remind women that having a risk factor for a complication does not inevitably mean developing that complication. An individual's outcome cannot be predicted by risk factors alone. Treat women of size like any other pregnant woman by expecting normalcyas much as possible.
Share websites that examine weight-related research with a neutral, critical eye, which acknowledge that complications are possible and promote proactive prevention, but which also point out that larger women can and do have normal, healthy pregnancies and births.
Find Positive Images and Stories of Women of Size
Media images of heavy people in our society are highly stigmatizing. Most pictures of fat people are headless (dehumanizing them), unflattering (focusing on bellies or behinds in tight clothes), or reinforce stereotypical behavior (eating junk food or being sedentary).
Media discussions of pregnancy and obesity focus only on the risks for complications, tell apocryphal stories of worst possible outcomes as if they are commonplace, or compare fat pregnancy to child abuse.
Books that focus on obesity and pregnancy pay lip service to being size-friendly, but contain a preponderance of negative stories, highly-interventive births, and scare tactics about complications. As one doula reviewer on Amazon wrote, "More time was spent telling me how much more likely I am to have a cesarean than to tell me how I can best avoid one."
It's very important to counteract these negative messages and images with positive ones. Direct your client to websites which have plenty of positive images of women of size pregnant, giving birth, and breastfeeding (see list below). Connect them with a community of like-minded women if they are interested.
Respect Patient Autonomy
Different people will look at the same information with differing values and make varying choices. The same is true for women of size. Some will respond to information about obesity-related risks by choosing a more-interventive childbirth model, and some will respond by choosing a less-interventive model. Neither choice is right or wrong. Respect each person's right to choose for themselves.
"All in all I think I just want to be treated the same as anyone else. Give me the information, not opinions, not value judgments. Let me decide what to do with it. Give me all the information, not what you perceive or decide I need. Treat me as thinking adult. Treat me with respect. Don't belittle me, and do not treat me with kid gloves either." Lexi Diaz, plus-sized mother of four.
Do you do anything different when women of size attend your classes? Do you feel like your classes already accomodate any special needs they might bring? Do your visual aids and resource lists include pictures of women of size and resources designed for their needs? Do you feel that any woman of size attending your class feels welcome or alone? What have been your experiences with larger sized women taking your classes or being your client or patient. Let us know your experiences in the comments section and share additional resources if you would like. Read on Thursday, when Pam shares how CBEs can help women have optimum outcomes at their births.- SM
Plus-Sized Resources
Plus-Sized Pregnancy Information
• www.wellroundedmama.blogspot.com
• www.plus-size-pregnancy.org
• http://www.facebook.com/theamplemother
• www.plussizebirth.com
• www.facebook.com/plussizemommymemoirs
• http://pregnancy.about.com/od/plussizepregnanc/Plus_Size_Pregnancy.htm
• http://www.facebook.com/pages/Plus-Maternity-Australia/107067319323331
• www.fertilityplus.org
• http://community.babycenter.com/groups/a425315/plus_size_and_pregnant
Finding Maternity Clothing in Plus Sizes
• Plus-Size Maternity Clothing FAQ – help for finding maternity clothing, nursing clothing, nursing bras, and maternity-related products in plus sizes, both in the U.S. and abroad
• http://plus-size-pregnancy.org/BBWBabyCarriers.html – help for finding baby carriers and slings in plus sizes
• www.plusmaternity.com.au – resources on plus-sized maternity and nursing clothing in Australia
• http://plussizebirth.com/2012/04/babywearing-for-the-plus-size-mom.htm – info on finding baby carriers for plus sizes
Positive Images of Plus-Sized Pregnant Women
*Do not use any of these photos without asking permission first
• Plus-Sized Pregnancy Photo Gallery – series of blog posts with many pictures of plus-sized pregnancy and birth
• Plus-Sized Pregnancy Breastfeeding Gallery – pictures of women of size breastfeeding
• http://plussizebirth.com/gallery– gallery of plus-sized baby bumps, birth pictures, breastfeeding pictures, and babywearing pictures
• http://oneyawn.blogspot.com/2012/06/belly-pictures-baby-number-three.html – belly diary of a plus-sized mom, week to week in pregnancy
• http://www.facebook.com/theamplemother/photos_stream – plus-sized pregnancy photos
• http://birthislife.blogspot.com/2012/08/nursing-portrait-session.html – lovely breastfeeding photos of a woman of size
• http://www.yaleruddcenter.org/press/image_gallery.aspx – free for educational purposes with attribution to the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity (no pregnancy images)
Birth Stories of Plus-Sized Women
• http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/BBWBirthStories/bbwstrindex.html – stories with a wide range of outcomes and experiences
• http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/BBWBirthStories/bbwvagnlstories.htm – stories of normal vaginal births in women of size
• http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/BBWBirthStories/bbwspecvagstories.htm – stories of normal vaginal births in women of size despite special circumstances
About Pam Vireday
Pamela Vireday is a childbirth educator, writer, woman of size, and mother to four children. She has been collecting the stories of women of size and writing about childbirth research for 17 years. She writes at www.wellroundedmama.blogspot.com and www.plus-size-pregnancy.org.

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migya wrote:zero3zero wrote:Mullin will keep the young core. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn't, cap issues included. If we need to go with 6-7 well paid athletes and fill the rest of the roster with NBDL scrubs/undrafted rookies then so be it ***030***
Truth is, it's all about money and Cohan might value keeping some rather than spending more just for winning more. He might see that he wouldn't make a significant amount more money or actually not make more money if he spends more on contracts.
All about the money again
That's it. It's not all in Mullin's hands.
If we don't trade some bad contracts, they will want more income to keep all the players, so I woulnd't be surprised if they decide to raise the tickets a 50% to pay those contracts. Would people accept that?