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Orphan Trains
| Institution and Organization Records
This article is part of a series.
|Almshouse Records
|Civilian Conservation Corps
|Coroner or Medical Examiner Records
|Hospital Records
|WPA Records
|School Records
|Orphanage Records
|Orphan Trains
|Prisons and Penitentiary Records
|Organization Records
This article originally appeared in "Business, Institution, and Organization Records" by Kay Haviland Freilich, CG, CGL, and Ann Carter Fleming, CG, CGL in The Source: A Guidebook to American Genealogy
They put us all on a big platform in some big building while people came from all around the countryside to pick out those of us they wished to take home. I was four years old, and my sister was only two . . .<ref>Marilyn Irvin Holt, 'Orphan Train Genealogy,' at http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/ancmag/701.asp.</ref>
The Orphan Trains moved children out of New York City, traveling to the midwest and beyond. Some children had a wonderful life with their new family, while others were not so fortunate. Some children disappeared into the countryside; others became prominent citizens, politicians, and family members. The Orphan Trains were a project conceived by the Rev. Charles Loring Brace of the New York Children's Aid Society with the goal of moving the homeless and helpless children from the streets of the city and finding them homes in more rural areas of the midwest and west. Ironically, the Children's Aid Society did not itself operate any orphanages during the placing-out period (see this site). Before long, other charitable organizations in New York and Boston had joined the program, and by the end of the 1800s, charities in Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois adopted the program and sent children to states farther west. Between 1853 and 1929, some two hundred thousand children rode the trains.
Records of the transfers may be found at the city asylums that participated in the project or in the deed books of the courthouses of the counties that received the children. Deed books were commonly used to record the adoptions of children (usually males under the age of ten and young females) or the apprenticeships (usually males ten and over). But, do not overlook justice of the peace dockets, guardians' records, county order records, and board of supervisors minutes, among other county records.
An indenture dated 15 December 1860 and recorded in Marion County, Illinois, is between the New York Juvenile Asylum and a farmer named Clifton R. Wills. The agreement outlines the duties of Wills, who is accepting ten-year-old Cornelius Shay as an apprentice. Wills is to instruct Shay in 'the art of farming' and in 'reading, writing, and arithmetic, as least as far as and including Compound Interest.' Wills also agreed to 'carefully watch over and guard the morals of the said apprentice, and prevent him from frequenting taverns, porterhouses, play-houses, or gaming houses of any kind.'
The Orphan Train Heritage Society of America, Inc., P.O. Box 322, Concordia, Kansas 66901 functions as a national clearinghouse for all information about the program. Recollections of Orphan Train riders have been published in several sources; one example is Johnson's Orphan Train Riders: Their Own Stories.<ref>Mary Ellen Johnson, comp., Orphan Train Riders: Their Own Stories (Baltimore: Gateway Press, 1992).</ref> Several websites are available to help researchers trace those who might have ridden the trains.
Other sites offer a history of the program and are valuable to understanding how the trip away from home and all that was familiar affected these children. A good history can be found at http://www.kancoll.org/articles/orphans/or_hist.htm and http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/ancmag/701.asp includes eyewitness accounts.
Contact information for some of the organizations that participated in the Orphan Train follows:
- Children's Aid Society
- Office of Closed Records
- 150 East 45th Street
- New York, NY 10017
- New England Home for Little Wanderers
- 850 Boylston Street, Suite 201
- Chestnut Hill, MA 02167
- New York Children's Aid Society
- 105 East 22nd Street
- New York, NY 10021
- New York Juvenile Asylum Alumni Affairs Children's Village
- Dobbs Ferry, NY 10007
- New York Foundling Hospital Records Office
- 113 Third Avenue
- New York, NY 10021
New York Society For The Prevention of Cruelty to Children Joseph T Gleason, Senior Investigator - Archival 161 Williams St. New York, Ny. 10038-2607
Catholic Home Bureau 1011 First Avenue New York, NY. 10022-4134


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Reviewed by Amanda F. (age 8) and Catherine D. (age 8)
The colors on the pages are bright and they stick out when you look at them and they make you feel happy. We like the way Eric Carle uses special effects with paper. He makes collages by putting shiny, bright painted papers on top of each other. He doesn?t just use paints. You?ll see here and there, pen and pencil marks and bold letters and italics. Sometimes he even uses sparkly silver foil.
Have you ever heard Christmas music? Well, Eric Carle puts it in his wonderful book. Eric Carle put his dedication page on the back instead of inside the book like most authors do. He tells why he dedicated it to Barry Moser.
The clear plastic paper on the cover is not exactly a book jacket. It?s just clear paper with white dots from sponges. You can see the sponge lines.
If you like to hear the sound of Christmas and the sound of crackling snow, read Dream Snow because Eric Carle has creative ideas. It made me (Catherine) feel like I was in Alaska. It made me (Amanda) feel like there was a cold winter day on my back.

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May 16, 2008
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. - Senior Aline Thomas continued her championship season roll with another record set at the 2008 ECAC Outdoor Track and Field Championships hosted by Springfield College.
On Thursday, Thomas - just honored by her team with the season MVP award - added nearly three feet to her school best in the hammer, finishing second with a spin of 167'3". She followed with a third place in the shot put on Friday tossing the orb 41'10".
Also taking a Silver medal was Jacqui Wentz in the steeplechase. The sophomore moved closer to a Tech record and improved her NCAA meet provisional standing in clocking 11:00.50. Wentz now has authored three of the four fastest times in school history.
Scoring points in the pole vault were captain-elect Emily Hwang and Karin Fisher, both scaling 10'8.75" for seventh and eighth, respectively. With top performances the past few weeks, it gets harder to hold a "peak" later in the season.
Four other athletes had made the meet qualifying standard but did not score. Margaret Leibovic doubled up in the 100m (12.93) and 200m (26.53), but did not advance to the finals. Leanne Veldhuis (400m hurdles, 1:05.92), co-captain elect Andrea Bradshaw (800m, 2:19.93), and Adrienne Bolger (1500m, 5:01.35) competed well, but did not garner any points.
The Engineers amassed 25 points and finished 13th among the 53 scoring teams. Only one meet remains on the docket, with Thomas and Wentz awaiting the final NCAA rankings for a possible ticket to the national championships.


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The beauty of some art is what you don't see.
The student-done art work in the stairway at Providence Hood River Memorial Hospital is at once interactive and enigmatic. The medium — old x-ray film sheets — was unusual yet fitting.
Murals done by other students at other places might bring instant recognition, but the stairway murals done this spring by May Street students are more personal. The viewer might or might not immediately see the message, but it has people at its heart.
The theme was "compassion," one of the working tenets of Providence health care providers, and the main message the hospital asked Artist-in-Residence Janet Essley to help the students convey.
And as an art project for fifth graders, much went on behind the scenes. What the public sees is seemingly abstract sets of hieroglyphics, or sets of images that express ideas, but each one has a person behind it: an employee of the hospital.
Walking up and down the stairway the visitor sees mural-sized blocks of images, formed like a quilt, relating the hearts and souls of people who work at the hospital, seen through the eyes and hands of 10-year-olds.
Essley's project started with the students reading information about their chosen hospital employees, then writing about their subjects in notebooks done in the classroom.
Under Essley's guidance, the students then created stencils out of old x-ray sheets — which first had patients' names removed. It was an idea Essley learned from a Cambodian artist in the 1980s when she worked at a refugee camp in Thailand.
Each May Street student drew and then cut out three to five figures that described the type of work and something about the personality of the employee.
As fifth-grader Kathryn Rouse put it, "The whole thing was important because you know you were going to touch someone's heart." For some it was more personal than others: classmate Taylor Shepherd happened to be assigned her grandmother, Lynn Berens, director of volunteer services.
Essley spent 45 hours painting the stencils onto the stairwell walls; the stencils were then returned to the student to keep.
On June 9, the students, their teachers, parents, and hospital staff held a reception in the lobby, followed by a tour of the stencils courtesy of hospital security chief Polly Boyle, hospital chaplain Gary Young, and Essley.
"Your art work is spectacular," Young told the students, emphasizing that their art project was a departure from the purpose of most of the art work on display at the hospital — which includes other student work.
"Here at Providence Memorial we are concerned with spiritual care, which means the care of the whole person — patients and families; but when we started thinking about art for the hallway we decided something needs to be done for our hospital employees," Young said. "We asked Janet Essley how to approach it and she said, 'old x-rays.' I didn't know about that at first," he said. "But I learned long ago, 'Always trust the artist.' Always trust the artist in you." Essley said she has always loved hieroglyphics "for their symbolic power."
"The hospital wanted the art to communicate its emphasis on compassion, and I saw compassion is made up of two words, compass and ion. In one sense it is like a moral compass with a heart at center; also, an ion is a molecule looking for a perfect partner, and that's another meaning of compassion."
Essley presented the hospital with a framed stencil image of her own, with the word "compassion" colorfully intermingled with images.
The student stencils are permanently emblazoned on the stairwell's seven landings.
Essley used seven colors in keeping with the colors associated with healing in eastern medicine; starting with red at the feet, moving through yellow in the legs and lower part of the body, green at the heart, blue and moving on to purple in the head and other parts of the body.
Fifth-grade teacher Linda Drew said the symbol-based art project fit perfectly with the literary segment the students were learning simultaneously.
"We were talking about literary devices at the time we started this: concepts such as similes, metaphors, onomatopoeia, and personification," Drew said. "We were learning how important words are to images and how important words are to our lives. This connects art to our lives."
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Mouse::Spec - To what extent Mouse is compatible with Moose
This document describes Mouse version 2.4.2
use Mouse::Spec; printf "Mouse/%s is compatible with Moose/%s\n", Mouse::Spec->MouseVersion, Mouse::Spec->MooseVersion;
Mouse is a subset of Moose. This document describes to what extend Mouse is compatible (and incompatible) with Moose.
The sugary APIs are highly compatible with Moose. Methods which have the same name as Moose's are expected to be compatible with Moose's.
Meta object protocols are a subset of the counterpart of Moose. Their methods which have the same name as Moose's are expected to be compatible with Moose's. Feel free to use these methods even if they are not documented.
However, there are differences between Moose's MOP and Mouse's. For example, meta object protocols in Mouse have no attributes by default, so
$metaclass->meta->make_immutable() will not work as you expect. Don not make metaclasses immutable.
Meta instance mechanism is not implemented, so you cannot change the reftype of Mouse objects in the same way as Moose.
Role exclusion,
exclude(), is not implemented.
use Mouse -metaclass => ... are not implemented. Use
use Mouse -traits => ... instead.
Native traits are not supported directly, but
MouseX::NativeTraits is available on CPAN. Once you have installed it, you can use it as the same way in Moose. That is, native traits are automatically loaded by Mouse.
See MouseX::NativeTraits for details.
Many recipes in Moose::Cookbook fit Mouse, including:


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by Zechs » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:48 am
I kind of wish we got a Ares and Marvel Boy to complete the Dark Avengers in MU form.
by e_galston » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:00 ami was talking to a friend the other day, and i had to laugh Mattel is only putting out the "big" characters as far as their 6 inch line goes, whereas Hasbro's legends line (sure usually has a big name in each wave) but for the most part the current stuff has been a lot of random characters i never thought i'd see get a figure. First wave of the relaunch we get Constrictor, Klaw and the build a figure is Terrax. Second wave we get Viper and Madame Masque, two members of the Wrecking Crew and freaking Fantomex with an Arnim Zola build a figure. Third wave having freaking Dani Moonstar (if it ever gets released). The first wave for 2013 is full of random characters i never thought would get a figure. And the third wave this year is gonna be based on the Thunderbolts. I don't know how Mattel can say only "big" names sell, when Hasbro has been putting out so many random characters, and Legends don't seem to be slowing down.
by e_galston » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:03 amnot only is hasbro putting out lesser known characters, they sell for like a buck cheaper than mattel's dc stuff, and actually contain the build a figure piece AND accessories. I felt ripped off when i bought the New 52 Batman figure and there wasn't even a freaking figure stand or a batarang.
by Zechs » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:16 am
Well truth be told. That's Mattel's problem. They stopped producing newer characters with Jaime Reyes. They only made a Damian Wayne figure to be released in the middle of this year. We still never got a Jason Todd as Red Hood, any Huntress, or Tim Drake as Red Robin. Rare figures but newer characters such as Cassandra Cain are worth a mint.
Now they're repeating the same mistakes they made with Young Justice. No accessories, BaF, or stands, but doubling the price of figures. Is it any wonder why Geoff Johns has been pushing DC Collectibles into other areas of interest instead of giving them to Mattel?
by sdsichero » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:07 pmGetting an "upgrade Photobucket" type error
by sdsichero » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:07 pmNot impressed.
Hasbro's JURASSIC PARK 3D Toy Line
by Zechs » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:45 pm
Is it wrong I want to buy the human figures since they're using modern Joe molds?
by sdsichero » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:48 pm
Oh and those broken images are in your sig zechs (sorry thought they were part of your post before)
by alaska1125 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:51 am
"Sigh". Anyone remember the Galactus and Sentinel build a figures? They were absolutely badass.
by e_galston » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:12 pm
and with the cost of producing toys, there's no way we'd get something like that again, in a wave. It'd have to be over like 3-4 waves of figures. And the last time hasbro did that (the Fin Fang Foom waves) you couldn't find any of them any where. If Hasbro tried that again, the price of the figures would be too much for me i think. That or they'd have to cut costs to produce them, either quality would go away, or accessories or even character selection
by Zechs » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:16 pm
The Marvel Universe Galactus is a hundred times more awesome. The MU Sentinel not so much.
by TimDrake'sDumbWings » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:17 pm
There's a Fin Fang Foom BAF? I totally want that shit.
by e_galston » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:45 pm
guarantee its expensive to find, cause the waves never really hit retail. it was at the tail end of Hasbro's first attempts with Marvel Legends. All the characters were hulk related if i remember correctly too... I believe Hasbro is putting out a Marvel Universe version like they did with Galactus and The Sentinel (which were actually MUCH better figures of the characters than the old Toybiz ones imo) and should more than likely be a LOT more cheaper than the ML version.
by alaska1125 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:21 pm
Yeah, the rational part of my brain understands it. The nostalgic part remembers the early Marvel Legend waves and wants to go back in time.
by Zechs » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:27 pm
Wait, there is another Fing Fang Foom from MU.
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Welcome back fans of Latin roots as they relate to English vocabulary words, and great talks about life-changing books, with a focus on great literature! In this series that I'm offering, I am expounding upon books that have made an impression upon myself and many other readers, and the Latin root words inherent in their English titles. My last post saw a thorough explication of Eca's The Relic, a hugely entertaining work by an author who deserves to be much better known. Today I will write concerning The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote de la Mancha, and focus on the etymology of the words "gentleman" and "ingenious," and related SAT vocabulary words:
Gentleman: Originally, if a boy was of gentle birth, he came from a good and wealthy 'family;' since he was therefore gentle, or a 'gentleman,' he treated others courteously, a meaning which later evolved into being 'tender,' which is a courteous way to treat others.
Genteel: A "genteel" person is of "gentle" birth, and thus is supposed to act in a chivalrous fashion, although this certainly was and is not always the case!
Jaunty: Someone from a good 'family,' i.e., one of 'noble' birth, often acted with a 'confident air' due to her or his high social status.
Ingenious: Ingenium—inherent talent, clever device Someone who is "ingenious" has an "inherent talent" in a certain aspect, or is able to "cleverly devise" "ingenious" solutions to thorny problems.
Ingenuous: don't confuse the word "ingenuous," which comes from the Latin Ingenuus—honest, generous, free-born, and "ingenious." One who is "ingenuous" is an "honest, open, candid, or frank" soul, who is completely lacking in guile.
Disingenuous: the opposite of "ingenuous." Especially don't trust the ingenious disingenuous ones...they can have you tied up in knots in no time at all. I would have to say that Iago, Judge Holden (of Blood Meridian) and Satan (of Paradise Lost) fit into this category...and my seventh-grade, green-haired, "you have to do extra credit even if you have a 100% in my class to get an A, because A students all do extra credit" 7th-grade "teacher." OK...I got a B+ in that class because I didn't do extra credit, but, for the record, I had a 100% average. So you can keep on reading my blogs with confidence.
Note that all the above words ultimately stem from the Latin Gigno, gignere, genui, genitum—to bring forth, give birth, produce. Can you see why???
Commentary on The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote de la Mancha
Don Quixote, as Harold Bloom says in Genius, "plays a deep game with reality." I'm not really sure if he actually believes that the barber's basin is really the Helm of Mambrino, or if the "peerless" Dulcinea is enchanted (throughout the entire 940 Grossman translated novel, DQ never sees Dulcinea except in her "enchanted" state as a rough peasant girl, and then I was unsure if this was even Aldonza), or if the magical potion to cure all ills really would work, or if the windmills are actually giants, or if the puppets in the play are actually real and must be vanquished because if they aren't, then the dastardly Moors will seize the Christians. Has he been completely bamboozled by his books on knight errantry, so that he sees a different level of reality than everyone else does, or is he choosing to create his world, irrespective of what everyone else perceives, and thereby forcing them to adopt his world vision? In the Duke's castle, do he and all his cronies trick him, or does he trick them into playing within the confines of his world? Is Altisidora fooling DQ, or is DQ inveigling her to play along in his world? Does Sancho Panza finally come around to the "sanity" of his master as he becomes governor, playing at that position until he no longer can stand it, simply because he is unable to convince others to play his game, as his master can so easily do? Is that why Sancho gets beat up so often, because DQ is so believable to the point that people are drawn into his madness so that they do indeed begin to see another reality? Or is the Duke and company simply having a lot of fun along the way? How can DQ be so lucid except with regards to knight errantry? Does he not create the last and the greatest knight of them all, living within his own book instead of simply passively writing one, as all other authors would do? And is not that much more effective? Just what kind of a game is he playing? This reminds me in a way of Quantum Mechanics, in the sense that the observer creates reality, and precedes the existence of that reality. If DQ "observes" Dulcinea as peerless, does she not indeed become peerless? If he performs strange acts for her in the mountains, such as doing handstands or cartwheels with no clothes on the lower half of his body, do those acts not justify her unquestionable beauty that is above all others? When Carrasco comes after him twice, has he not transformed him into both the Knight of the Mirrors and the Knight of the White Moon, as has he not become better the second time, as he defeats the greatest knight in the world? Does not the charisma of DQ indeed transmogrify reality, not only of his own vision, but of all others, especially, eventually, of Sancho Panza, who does get his governorship and his highly coveted insula, not to mention his ducados? What else, indeed, could be going on?
I have never laughed so hard as in the first part of this novel; I think that my family thought I was crazy as I was sitting on the porch, guffawing until the tears came, especially when SP is drinking the potion which is supposed to cure his cracked ribs, and only makes him violently throw up. Does SP go through so much and suffer the worst punishments because he doesn't believe as much as his master does?
This novel is uninterpretable, and is the best that I have ever read in terms of just what Don Quixote is doing with his life. And that brings me to my own life. Can I, too, quixotically, create my own life, and influence those around me in a positive way? Absolutely! Belief is a strong, strong phenomenon, and that which one believes is one's world, irregardless of "reality," which, Platonically, is but a shadow, whereas how the mind perceives that reality, how it noetically shapes it, lies at the foundation of one's world and how one views it; I, also, think that that consciousness can also transform it, but, like Sancho Panza, we will take many knocks along the way until we become the best knight errant of them all, the master of transforming this malleable because perceivable thing called reality…which is the stuff whereby we not only live, but can live happily or sadly. How about creating the former, and if the latter happens along the way, surely it can be interpreted positively, such as an evil enchanter who is hounding one that one cannot foil because they are legion? DQ does make it through all of his trials, never wavering from the code of the knight errant, and survives nicely intact, even though he goes through so many improbable and potentially fatal encounters. Why worry when one cannot control these evil enchanters? Live, try your hardest, don't take anything personally, endure pain and suffering, and live true to oneself, and one's reality will be transformed into something glorious.
I feel like I could continue writing about the Don forever, but alas! Evil enchanters pursue me…off to the fight!
Looking for a great edition of Don Quixote? Go no further than Edith Grossman. Her prose is as lucid and as faithful to the Old Spanish as I've seen to date.Fascinated with English vocabulary words? Want to pick them apart into their constituent Greek and Latin roots? Want to know even more SAT and GRE words that come from the Latin root words Gigno, gignere—to bring forth, give birth, produce? Studying hard for the SAT or GRE verbal section, and just can't get a handle on all of those vocabulary words, which are truly legion? Check out www.wordempire.com, where you will find the most comprehensive Greek and Latin roots dictionary available today, and also the most beautiful...it's in full color, and artistically designed. There's even a Greek and Latin roots poster available, which nicely illustrates the full power of what Greek and Latin root words can do for you.


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David Suchet in the Footsteps of St. Paul The actor, known for his portrayal of Agatha Christie's Poirot, sets out on a personal journey to uncover the story of a man he has longed to depict. Suchet begins in Jerusalem, explores Paul's Damascus conversion road experience and seeks to show how Paul's early life in Tarsus would prepare him for his mission. He visits Antioch where Paul and the fledgling church make the decision to admit Gentiles, and examines Paul's decision to convert the populations in Europe. Part 1 of 2G
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Recently, October 10th - 13th, I attended the geological congress GeoDarmstadt2010 jointly hosted by Geologische Vereinigung (GV) and Deutsche Gesellschaft für Geowissenschaften (DGG). There were a number of field trips to places in Germany before, during and after the meeting. Unfortunately my private budget didn't support the idea of attending those also. Nevertheless the meeting was another interesting experience. Being more interested in economic geology and sedimentology the 2nd and 3rd day were the highlights for me. A number of session on topics and research on mineral deposits in Germany was supported by some excellent presenters. Gladly also my usuall shyness to approach people got less the longer the meeting lasted and I got the chance to actually shake hands and talk to a few reknown researchers working on sequence stratigraphy of carbonates (Wolfgang Schlager of Amsterdam University) and on strategic aspects of economic geology (Friedrich-Wilhelm Wellmer former President of the BGR). Besides meeting famous people I also made a few new contacts that might be helpful in my beginning professional career after graduation. I don't feel like stretching my hopes here that's why I will refrain from apraising these until I know something more concrete. Also, I met our fellow blogger Lutz from the well-known Geoberg Blog or Geonetzwerk. Attending the sessions on public outreach was also a rewarding experience. Our friend was active with two presentations about the aforementioned Geonetzwerk and later on about the usefullness of geoblogging which had some mixed respondses from the audience. Blogging did not reach the minds of people here, yet.
Last but not least some fotographic impressions from the meeting and Darmstadt:
Entrance to the meeting and conference center Darmstadtium
A part of the poster session while sessions are taking place.
Sessions about public outreach activites and the Geonetzwerk.
Wonderful architecture in Darmstadt right opposite the conference center.


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Planned Parenthood had asked the U.S. District Court court to delay enforcement of a new Indiana law denying Medicaid funds to Planned Parenthood while the organization challenges its constitutionality.
ACLU and Planned Parenthood argues that forcing doctors to say life begins at conception and that a fetus can feel pain around 20 weeks violates their First Amendment rights, and that the immediate defunding would violate existing contracts. The Indianapolis Star notes, "Typically a judge's reluctance to even temporarily put a law on hold does not bode well for the plaintiff, in this case Planned Parenthood."
Judge Refuses To Delay Enforcement Of Indiana Abortion Law [Indy Star]


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KnowledgeBase 00088: Sort Configuration
The QM sort system underlies all query processor operations that include a sort clause, construction of alternate key indices, the QMBasic SSELECT, SSELECTN and SSELECTV statements, and the !SORT() subroutine.
There are three configuration parameters that control the sorting system. This article explains what they do but, as described below, determination of the best values is somewhat dependent on the underlying hardware.
How Sorting Works
The sort process begins by building a binary tree that reflects the sort order of the data items. This mechanism supports multiple keys and the different rules applied to left and right justified sorts. There is also an optimisation to detect that the incoming data is already sorted (or perhaps just largely so), as this would otherwise lead to inefficient construction of a very one-sided tree.
When the sort tree reaches a certain size, it is flushed out to disk and a new sort tree is built for further items. This process will be repeated as many times as necessary, resulting in a set of disk based sort trees. A small sort that never reaches the size at which it would be flushed to disk is handled entirely in memory.
The Merge Phase
Once all the data has been written to disk as a set of separate sort trees, they must be merged to yield a single tree. This process merges a fixed number of trees at one time to form a single larger tree. Having processed all of the original sort trees, the larger composite trees are merged again in exactly the same way. This process continues until there is just one sort tree that contains the entire set of data.
The SORTWORK Configuration Parameter
The SORTWORK configuration parameter determines the pathname of the directory where the disk sort trees are stored. For best performance, this should be on a different disk from the data file from which the tree is being built.
The sort work files are normally deleted automatically as they are merged or when the entire sort operation has completed, however, it is recommended that the sort work directory should also be cleared on system boot to ensure that any files left behind after a force logout are deleted. If this is not done, they will be deleted when the same work file name is needed again by a later sort operation.
The SORTMEM Configuration Parameter
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:26 pm
Post subject: Not a good idea
Hello All -
I had apparantly been a No S'er for about 3 years prior to this one. I had done the same exact diet, without ever hearing of this website, and I stumbled upon it today and would like to voice my opinions about it.
The first point I need to make, is that this diet is not as simple and glorious as the creator makes it sound. I know he/she is out there to help people, but I'm not sure 'helping' would be the correct word. First of all, nothing good comes from depriving yourself of things for 5 days, and then gorging yourself with them for two. It sounds simple because you fool yourself into thinking you're not 'starving yourself' or 'depriving yourself' or even 'dieting', b/c you can make up for it during the two days that you allow yourself to eat those things. The TRUTH of of the matter is (and you can ask my doctors which had to help me out of the mess this diet got me into), is that denying yourself food instills a sense of wanting to eat it more in general. When you add the notion of only denying yourself five days, and allowing yourself to have it the other two (and special occassions), this worsens the effects. If you find yourself successful enough to go the five days without much food, most of the time, one or two things will happen. 1) You are so eager to eat on Sat. and Sun. that you completley overdo it, making it harder to then again, not eat much the following five days, or 2) You find yourself not wanting to eat much on Saturday or Sunday either. The MAIN point is that not eating..... followed by a lot of eating..... is as hard on your body as starving yourself. It's a gateway to an eating disorder and it happened to me. It also makes you feel guilty and terrible, when you mess up and eat during the week. You shouldn't be on a diet like that, and a good healthy diet that will last the rest of your life, will not require deprivation of any kind. I know not all of you will take it to a dramatic level... I just want to let you all know the potential long term effects are not the best.
Some of us want to be super-skinny 'like kate moss', but for most of us, b/c of genetics, the only way to do this is to starve ourselves. This diet is basically what appears to be, a healthy take on an eating disorder.
If you are a person that has enough will power to take all of the bad foods out of your diet throughout the week, and then eat sensibly over the week/end, the diet may work. But for most of you overweight people... to bluntly state it... you like to eat a lot. Not eating during the week will kill you, and eating whatever you want on week/ends will be out of control...... For lack of better words, it's binging and purging. Sound familiar? It is called an eating disorder - the only difference is that this diet does not require you to throw up the bad food, or not eat it all, which makes it OK. It's disguised and its not OK.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:24 pm
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Hi there!
I'm sorry, but I think you should go back and read the suggestions at
again. You might have misunderstood something.
I eat. I eat 3 solid (and with SOLID, I mean SOLID) meals a day. I eat whatever I crave with those 3 meals, and I eat as much as I need to feel full. I am not starving myself. I don't really feel deprived (or at least not more deprived then I would feel on any other diet). The restrictions of this diet are:
No sugar/sweets etc.
No snacks between meals
No second servings of those meals.
If I do choose to stuff my face on the weekend with chocolate that certainly doesn't depend on this diet but on my lack of willpower which would be lacking in ANY diet and ANY way of life I'd be choosing, because I DO LIKE CHOCOLATE. There is no diet or way of life that can ever change that, ever. So I either try to build willpower, or I will stay fat forever.
Read it again, carefully. This diet is simple. (Not sure about how glorious it is, though
Good luck to you.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:33 pm
Post subject: Not a good idea
I am sorry that you have had such a bad experience.
I think it's a case of horses for courses. This eating plan does work for some people, myself included. I have learned to eat moderately during the last year, and the lack of guilt involved in this practical scheme is a great relief.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:50 am
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I have never binged and purged.
I only have a little treat on the weekends, usually a snack or maple syrup on my pancakes.
I have no desire to look like Kate Moss.
I think Reinhard makes more sense than any number of diet gurus or doctors put together.
I'm sorry you don't have a good opinion of no-s, but I am happy to say that many of us find it very satisfying over the long run. I hope you find what works for you.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:01 am
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I am interested to know what works if not nos? Have you found something that works? If so, please share.
The destiny of nations depends on the manner in which they feed themselves. Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:27 am
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you know, this is very interesting to me.......you said you did this diet for 3 years before finding out about this site. but how did you find the site? did you search "diet" and this somehow popped up? obviously, you're still out there looking for some form of weight loss.
with that said, i, too, followed a plan such as NOS before i even found out about it. in 6 months, i lost 35 pounds and was happier than ever!
i think you're misinterpretting the concept here. there is nothing here about starvation. it's more an emphasis on portion control, not deprivation. you can have your chips and your pretzels and your burger.....just in moderation!! yes, the problem for most overweight people is portion control, myself included. i love to eat in quanity rather than quality. i cannot have a couple of bites of cheesecake and then stop....i have to eat it all!
and the whole weekend thing is ok, i think. it allows your mind and body to NOT feel deprived.
i think this diet is how you interpret it. the ONLY thing you're really avoiding here is sweets on a daily basis.....which, let's face it, ALL of us (skinny or fat) can benefit from. sweets SHOULD be limited! they are supposed to be thought of as treats and to be in moderation....dessert is not a food group.
i think the eating disorder comes BEFORE the diet, not the other way around. trust, me...been there, done that.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:28 am
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Honestly, I don't think No S encourages binging and purging. A lot of folks here do have food issues, so sometimes that happens, but if you read what Reinhard suggests, he doesn't say "yeah, S-days are for going whole hog." Remember, he mentions the word "sometimes" with regards to snacks/seconds/sweets on S-days. People freak out on weekends, especially at first, because they aren't used to allowing themselves any freedom. It's a sort of reactionary thing to all of the crazily restrictive diets out there.
I also don't think that Reinhard makes No S out to be simple/glorious. The deal is that to lose weight, you have to take in less calories than you burn. This usually means eating less and exercising more, which takes work. The No S rules and suggestions about walking/shovelglove are simply some ways to do this. This means modifying one's lifestyle/attitude towards food. Nobody claims that this is simple/easy!
You mentioned "not eating during the week." Um, I *do* eat. I can't deal with starving. What I've found is that I enjoy food more when I *don't* overdo it.
As Reinhard says, this system's rules are a basic crutch for willpower. I personally am not a hardcore stickler for rules and view these more as guidelines. When it comes to No S, I tend to focus on following the "spirit of the law" rather than the "letter of the law." Sticking *exactly* to the N-days/S-days division constantly isn't my thing--I'm interested in generally eating in a moderate way, and No S is a mostly convenient way to do that for me. I think some people tend to lose sight of the general goal of the plan (nothing totally forbidden, just eat the more decadent stuff in moderation, eat less, move more) and simply flip out about the rules, giving themselves a control complex just like they did with every other diet. No S is a handy set of rules, but frankly, I'm just happy if I'm enjoying food and eating in moderation, even if I have a cookie on a Wednesday.
Oh yeah. I've NEVER wanted to look like Kate Moss. Honestly. My body type just doesn't fit that--I mean, I think I'd look STUPID as a waif.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:27 am
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First, let me say that I'm sorry for your past experiences, and I hope you have found something that works for you. You obviously have strong feelings, and spoke from a desire to help.
However, I don't think what you were doing is really No-S. There may be some superficial similarities, but that's all. Your past experience is coloring your perception of this way of eating.
The biggest difference is that there is NO "starving during the week." One plate of food at each meal is not deprivation. In fact, I have found No-S to be the sanest way of eating I've ever followed. I eat good, solid meals that are probably healthier than what I ate before. (Yes, I was a little excessive on weekends at first, but that has eased up over time, as I become accustomed to the idea that treats are treats - best in moderation.)
Bottom line: I enjoy food MORE on this diet - far from feeling "in denial," I feel that by not eating a lot of junk, I am free to actually enjoy what I do eat.
I did used to have a lot of issues with food. With this way of eating, I've made peace with food. It's a good feeling.
I hope that you can see the differences I'm describing. More importantly, I hope you find something that works for you.
Best wishes.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:42 am
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Hi Jessica,
I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but are you sure the diet you were following was no-s? You say you never saw the home page till now, so maybe it got a bit garbled in transmission. You ate three meals a day? 3 meals a day is not exactly "purging" or "deprivation" or "not eating." And binging doesn't make sense if you don't purge -- there's nothing (much) to react against. A pendulum that stops sort of in the middle isn't going to swing back very far in the opposite direction -- if at all. I do think the home page makes this pretty clear. Have you had a chance to read it though now? The usual problem people have with no-s is that it's too moderate, too slow, they get impatient -- not that it's something that starves them into unsustainable waifdom. It's funny you mention Kate Moss, because I use her as an example on the home page -- of what this diet is NOT intended to do for you.
I am very, very sorry if anything I wrote somehow percolated through the internet and got distorted and served as grist for your eating disorder. And though I guess I was obligated to make some kind of token defense for No-s, I'll stop here. I do not for a second want to encourage you to go against your doctors' advice (though do give them the url so they can evaluate the whole program, I've gotten pretty good responses from the doctors I've shown it to), and for all I know maybe perhaps some people with certain kinds of mentalities might be tempted to abuse No-s. In fact, I'll link to this discussion from the "Kate Moss" section of the home page, if you don't mind, as a warning to people who suspect they might have similar issues. Please let me know if you think there's anything else I can do to minimize the risk for such people.
Thank you for taking the time to post this warning, best wishes in getting over your eating issues, and please feel welcome to post more details here.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:59 pm
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Joining in to back up what others have said: I eat plenty of healthy food, at 3 meals a day, and I don't feel that I'm depriving myself at all. Sometimes those 3 meals aren't even all that healthy: I'm a cheese freak, and there's no way I could stick to a plan that didn't allow some cheese in my diet. But I'm sticking to the plan, I'm losing weight, and I'm feeling a lot better.
As for weekends, holidays and other S-days, I find that over time they become self-limiting. The first few weeks I did stuff my face, systematically, with all the things I felt deprived of. Then, as I got used to eating less on weekdays, I found that it didn't take much of the treats on weekends before I'd start feeling unpleasantly stuffed, and it wasn't hard for me to turn down treats that I didn't find absolutely delicious because they weren't worth that unpleasant stuffed feeling.
I'm sorry you're having trouble with eating and I hope things get better for you.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:50 pm
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Wow, if "No-S" isn't a sane, sensible, HEALTHY way to eat, I don't know what is! It is practically the opposite of disordered eating. It is like the "un-diet".
At least that is the way I interpret it.
I am not sure I see how limiting snacks, sweets, and seconds on most days out of the week can lead to an eating disorder, but I guess everyone is different. For me, it has lead to a MUCH healthier relationship with food and with my body.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:17 pm
Post subject: just let me say
I have lost 68 pounds on a diet that was similar to this diet. I have managed for a year now to keep most of it off. You really have to begin somewhere....
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:44 pm
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Can you describe the diet that helped you lose 68 pounds?
The destiny of nations depends on the manner in which they feed themselves. Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:52 pm
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Oh - I'd like to know that too!
Please share your experience!
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:00 am
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I posted a fairly nasty response to Jessica, then deleted it. Upon re-reading her post, I wish I had left it up.
I have a really difficult time with folks that bend everything to fit their preconceptions and then preach from that vantage point.
What she says is nonsensical. It frustrates me. Moreover, I worry that she has a blog somewhere that she's using as a bullhorn for this mis-information.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:06 am
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You did the right thing to delete. Never regret an impulse to be kind rather than nasty. If you must err, err on the side of openness and kindness.
Clearly, Jessica is totally off-base and incorrect in her assessment of No-S. Just as clearly, her ability to evaluate is warped through her own pain. No point in adding to it.
And no need to defend No-S. Anyone who comes here and looks will see the sanity in the process.
So don't second-guess yourself.
Your judgment was sound.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:00 pm
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I can't agree with the Op, but I also don't know her life situation and what led her to feeling this way.
I am almost 30 years old (in 6 days, eek!). For those 30 years I have suffered with my eating. I was the fat kid through school. I would sneak food as a child and then be punished for it. My mom was clearly embarasssed about my condition and reminded me of it frequently.
My junior/senior year I ate only white rice (plain) for lunch and a baked potato (with butter) for supper. that was it. I went from 179 to 149 in 3 months. I was at a size 12 but everyone still called me fat and teased me daily.
I married, moved far away (thousand + miles from family) and became stressed. My body was fighting (still is) and autoimmune disorder and I slept a lot and ate a lot to deal with the pain and loneliness. I gained 100lbs in 11 years.
Meanwhile I had 2 kids with 2 terrible c/sections and my body is a total wreck. In order to deal with that embarrassment over what happened to my body, I ate. We moved 8 times in 11 years, leaving many good memories and great friends behind. More loneliness and depression and more grazing/permasnacking to dull those feelings.
NoS was mentioned on another board and I checked it out. It made complete sense to me. I started 16 Dec last year. I completed 21 days easily, bombed for nearly 2 months every single day (just couldnt' get over the loneliness and stress of 2 small kids in the afternoon). THen I sucked it up, checked in (still do) daily with Jaxhil (Love ya babe!
) And we've both seen so many positive changes.
Now I don't want to look like Kate Moss at all, I think that's pretty gross myself. I want to look healthy. I'd be happy with 180lbs at this point.
Things have changed SO much. I even had gone to the doctor about wanting to lose weight but he really did nothing to help me except 'eat less and exercise more.' Of course, this is not what I wanted to hear, and so I ate all day long. I do mean all day long.
Typical day pre nos was: bagel with pb&J with a soy milk. And another bagel with butter. And a bowl of fruit loops. And some crackers. And some coffee.
Lunch was typically leftovers or fast food. If fast food I'd get the mcflurry or frosty.
Shortly after that it'd be snack time so I'd eat a whole box of wheat thins or ritz's and then have an ice cream (probably 4 servings). Another snack of bagel and pb&j about 4pm.
Supper was generally a whole lotta meat, a bit of veggies which I wouldn't eat and soemthing liek a whole potato or a huge blob of rice plus pillsbury breadsticks. Don't forget dessert! Ice cream or cupcake or whatever. And after that I might have an apple with cheese slices because I was 'hungry' and didn't want to go to bed 'hungry.'
My jaw still drops reading that. Every day I ate like that.
Now it's 3 plates a day. I try to make each plate have vegs/fruit, protein and carb (in decending order as listed).
Anyway, I am no longer a slave to food. If I'm feeling sad/mad I don't cover it up with food. One thing I've learned from the other posters is that after I have eaten whatever tasty thing to cover up my issue, the issue will still be there. It's better for me now to say outloud the problem (such as my bad teeth and crowns I need, ugh!) "I AM MAD ABOUT MY STOOPID TEETH!!!!" or "THESE KIDS ARE MAKING ME CRAZY!" you get the idea. I acknowledge the feeling, and then try to come up with a solution and let it pass.
I have fewer cravings and I don't even have the urge to snack between meals most days (aside from the days when DD is having a growth spurt and breastfeeds more frequently). I do allow myself a healthy snack if I am genuinely hungry because of breastfeeding.
A relatively new development in recent weeks is that I don't even like sweets that I used to love (cake, ice cream <blech!>, cookies). A few bites is enough and I begin to feel sick.
Did I mention previous to noS I was insulin resistant? This is a BIG warning sign for diabetes.
I don't starve during the week at all. I pile my one plate pretty good (I like to eat tons of veggies now) and I've become much more conscience of what I put on my plate. I think more about nourishing my body to make it to the next meal than that I might be depriving myself of something. My meals have become much more balanced and healthful.
My clothes are fitting better. My size 20 stuff fits better, not so stinking tight, and my 22's are falling off me! (don't even have to unbutton/unzip my pants, they just pull down lol)
My scale has moved slowly, I've lost abuot 10lbs since dec. But I notice it and dh is noticing it. I feel sad sometiems that the weight isn't flying off but like Hilary said, it took years to put it on...
Moreover, I don't' feel sluggish. I'm not guilty and downtrodden by the end of the day, day after day for having eaten too much. I don't have to make deals w/myself that I'll start a new diet and binge today- day after day.
I'm sorry your experience w/a noS type diet has left you feeling upset and fighting an eating disorder. Not every diet is for everybody.
NoS for me has brought to me freedom, a new outlook on life.
. I am not expecting weight to come flying off me. If nothing else- if I stay at 234 lbs forever, I still have gained freedom from feeling bloated, gassy, going to the bathroom 5-6 times a day, feeling ashamed and guilty. I feel happy, my stomach has a much lighter feeling to it. I have much less chance of developing diabetes and all the woes that come with it.
I am forever thankful that Reinhard put his thoughts online.
Well I could go on, but genuinely, I hope you find peace with your eating.[/b]
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:54 am
Post subject: My take...
I couldn't disagree more. I have 21 days recovery from disordered eating (10 years diagnosed and treated now) and I have been using No S as my template for a plan of eating and doing very, very well.
Do I follow No S to a T? No. Because I am in (grateful) recovery I keep two of the No S principles on the weekends - no seconds and no snacks, and for me, NO bingeing and no purging. For once I am eating real meals, no grazing on food all day long or bingeing my brains out and trying to compensate.
Can the No S plan be abused? Sure. So can all plans of eating or NO plans of eating. When people are in their disordered eating patterns the rationalizations can come quick and easy.
Everyone works recovery differently, and just about everyone exists in their disordered eating differently. To say that No S, across the board, is an invitation to court and coddle a disease, is not a fair assessment. When I was in my disease I could have used this plan as an excuse for my behavior just as I can now use it as a template for a portion of my recovery - it's all about perspective.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:26 pm
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If you have an eating disorder, any diet, whatever its rules are, might just be the exact wrong diet for you and might exacerbate your problem. I have a binging problem, and the last seven diets I've tried (besides this one) did seem to make me want to "break out of prison" and binge more and more.
I actually was starting to feel seriously depressed, like this was a problem with no solution, or that the only solution was never to restrict myself so that I'd be overeating all the time, but not actually binging, which is just so horrible. Talk about "degraded beast."
However, I have to say that this diet seems to have stopped the violent swinging of the pendulum from restriction to binge and back again. It's only been 15 days, true. But the fact that I've gotten through so many S days with so few problems is really encouraging to me. Normally, I'd expect those days to be completely out of control and/or I would expect not to be able to adhere to N days for five days in a row. But for whatever reason, the structure of this particular diet seems to be very "normalizing" for my particular issues. The idea that I am fully entitled to eat my meals, and to eat what I want (except for sweets) is somehow reassuring and calming. The rules don't feel too restrictive; they just feel reasonable. I have very high hopes that I will binge much less if I stick with this way of eating.
Just another point of view!
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:44 pm
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I was a compulsive overeater and binger for years.
In fact, it took me months and months when I started No S to even complete one day of eating 3 moderate meals 3 times a day. Months.
However, it wasn't until I finally became honest with myself was I able to adopt this way of living.
This is normal eating.
This is sane eating.
This is a lifetime eating plan.
This is both diet and maintenance.
But, you have to be honest with yourself.
We can't blame a program for our own compulsions or disordered thinking/eating.
I am not trying to be disrespectful or offensive in anyway but the food is not the problem, we are the ones with the problem AND only if we allow it to be.
We have the strength and capacity within ourselves to decide how we are going to choose to eat that day.
You have to change your thinking.
If you think that a piece of cake or a snack on Saturday and Sunday is going to trigger an uncontrollable binge, that is because you think it will.
For me, abstaining between meals and not eating at night is sanity.
Also, dessert, a snack on weekends prevents deprivation or eating a 3 course dinner on the weekend prevents deprivation.
There is no deprivation.
Food is not the problem, how we eat the food is.
This program works but you have to change your thinking.
Respect your body and allow it to be the best weight for your body not what you think it should be.
Also, just because this program doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for other people.
There comes a point in our lives when we have to be accountable for the choices we make and not for others.
If you think this triggers your disordered eating than perhaps you may need to work on your emotional eating from a psychological standpoint.
This is not "a starving yourself during the week and binge uncontrollably on the weekends plan". However, it is ONLY if YOU DECIDE that is how it is.
Change your thinking, change your life.
Please know, I am not minimizing eating disorders. They rob you of your esteem and life....
But, you need to take control, one day at a time.
this was great: When I was in my disease I could have used this plan as an excuse for my behavior just as I can now use it as a template for a portion of my recovery - it's all about perspective.
this was beautiful:
NoS for me has brought to me freedom, a new outlook on life. Freedom. I am not expecting weight to come flying off me. If nothing else- if I stay at 234 lbs forever, I still have gained freedom from feeling bloated, gassy, going to the bathroom 5-6 times a day, feeling ashamed and guilty. I feel happy, my stomach has a much lighter feeling to it. I have much less chance of developing diabetes and all the woes that come with it.
I am forever thankful that Reinhard put his thoughts online.
How true!
I want to add recovery from eating disorders is absolutely possible but you have to make a conscious decision to do so.
Only we have the ability to control our thoughts, our actions, our decisions.
Choose to be moderate. Moderate living brings a sweetness that no dessert can and can help tide you over on the weekends until normal eating becomes...habit! (Thanks Reinhard!)
I love this lifetime plan and i am LOVING THE CHANGE!
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:14 am
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NoS diet is a great one and it helps one appreciate eating in moderation.
In no way does it promote binging and purging or gorging on the weekends.
I personally found that opening letter really quite hostile in tone and kinda rude.
Frankly I doubt the writer will come back to actually continue this thread, as it seemed just a big old rant..
We have all had bad experiences here and I can't ever recall anyone getting on board NoS with such a negative attitude.
On a side note, I wish to commend our amazing friend and founder here Reinhard for his cordial aplomb and classy reply.
Ever the classy gent
Thank you for creating NoS. It has helped me lose about 25 lbs over the past few years and I was just thinking how I enjoy eating sweets and snacks so much more now than I ever did before on S days when they are real treats to me which I can look forward to. Before NoS every day was an opportunity to pig out. Now I no longer enjoy that, and S days are very moderate in indulgence, yet extremely high in enjoyment
Now if I could only get my a** moving again and do some exercise already! LOL..
Long live NoS!!!!!!!!!
Peace and Love,
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:58 pm
Post subject: Slow and Steady
I agree with the majority of thinking here. This is a very sensible diet. There is no deprivation here. Three sensible meals during the week & some pleasure eating on the weekends. The perameters of the 3 no sss does not constict or deprive. I cannot understand why everyone in the whole world is not eating this way.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:31 pm
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I agree with all the other posters. I'm finding No-S liberating and I'm very thankful I found it. Many years ago now I lived in Japan on a work exchange and over a year I lost two stone and became quite fit without trying at all. From time to time since I have been trying to recreate those lifestyle conditions that made me so naturally slim and healthy. I've tried dropping dairy and restricting wheat. I've tried exercising (but never quite found a way to make exercise just a normal part of my day as it was there where I bicycled everywhere - not possible in the busy city where I live). I've tried regular relaxation and yoga (the nightly Japanese baths were wonderful). I've also tried reducing the external stresses - being bombarded with media, etc. Being on No-S has taken me right back to that time in countryside Japan. I also ate whatever I liked there, but it was impossible to snack and seconds and desserts weren't part of the diet, except on weekends when I would meet my friends to go out somewhere. I found that over time in Japan, my appetite decreased without me making any effort or feeling deprived in any way. No-S is the closest I have come to recreating that sensible way of eating - and I'm really happy about it.
The other thing I wanted to mention - and maybe I shouldn't voice this thought - but I wondered how genuine that original post is. This is the cynic in me coming out, but it seems that No-S is begining to really be noticed - what with the book and the national magazine coverage, etc. It occurred to me that the post might be a 'spoiler' - something to plant doubts - something that is perhaps commercially motivated. But then again - it has had such a resoundingly positive response, maybe that's not the case.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:27 am
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You know, it speaks volumes to Reinhard as well as the No-S community as to how we respond to these types of messages. This type of stuff can easily turn into flamewars, or they could be censored, etc. But instead it turned into interesting and helpful discussion.
I definitely agree with the majority (which is unusual, typically I'm a contrarian) that this is probably the most sustainable diet I'll ever find.
Before criticizing someone, you should try walking a mile in their shoes. Then you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:24 pm
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I am a newbie so I don't know how well I will do with but my husband has basically been on the No-S diet his whole life, and he doesn't even know it. That is just the way he eats and his weight is so consistant. If he does pack a bit on around the holidays etc, then he simply cuts back his portions during the week but still has his treats on the weekends. I think if you have issues, you will no matter what plan you try. You will find a way to fail. My only worry is not seeing any progress soon enough. That is where I always get into trouble and crack to the temption.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:24 am
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I think a lot of us have issues with going a little nuts on the S-days. I wonder if maybe the S-days should be called "1-s" days? That is, you can indulge one of the S's - snack, sweet or second - once per S day?
Or is that too complicated to remember? What say you?
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:46 am
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Kbit... this is a very old thread that got pulled to the front.
S-days can be a challenge, and different ways of dealing work with different folks. I tried the "one-S" approach, and it made me feel too deprived... but that reinforced how important the S-days were in general.
Reinhard just did an AWESOME podcast on S-days - there's a sticky thread at the top of this forum that will take you to it. It has an array of ways of dealing with S-days that you may find useful. (I did, anyway.)
Best wishes!
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:34 pm
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If you are a person that has enough will power to take all of the bad foods out of your diet throughout the week, and then eat sensibly over the week/end, the diet may work.
This is the fine print.
NO diet will work unless you eat sensibly and cause calories in to be less than calories burned.
The secret of No S is it trains addictive folks to do just that, eat three meals, no snacks, no seconds and limited sweets. If they see results on the weekdays and binge on the weekends, their weight will go up. They will get to the point where they do NOT want this to happen anymore, and THEN they will reduce their eating on weekends to match roughly the caloric intake of weekdays, and weight will continue to be lost.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:30 pm
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When I started NoS, I found myself falling into the "binge on sweets" trap on weekends, which was strange, since I have never been a big sweets fan. Sure, I love sweets, but I am usually satisfied with a bite of something sweet after a meal, or a spoon of the best ice cream i can find. The "no sweets" part of NoS actually made me stuff in the sweets on weekends because I felt like I had to get them on S days while i could......In the past 2 weeks I have decided to modify this rule by allowing myself one bite of a dessert if it is available, after a meal, and if I want a full dessert on a weekend, fine. After this tweak, I miraculously stopped stuffing in the sweets on weekends, and during the week, I will eat a bite of dessert maybe once or twice. I have gone back to liking sweets, but i can take them or leave them. My point? This diet has solid principles, but people are individuals with different issues, and you may have to modify the diet a bit to fit your needs. My main problem has been portion size and permasnacking, so I am successfully using noS to reign that in. The sweets simply were not the issue, so i dropped that part. I have also decided that if I am ultra hungry between meals or while fixing dinner i can eat raw veggies or fruit if i feel like it. I am a fruit and veggie lover, and i can't see where popping a few strawberries in my mouth while out picking them, or chomping on a raw cucumber before dinner is such a sin. Again, since allowing this, I am much happier, and i find myself RARELY actually eating a snack, I just like knowing i can eat an apple if i am ravenous. Don't get me wrong, I am truly thankful to noS for bringing me back to rational portions and 3 meals a day. I just figure that Reinhard looked at all the diets out there, did not find a rational one for himself, so made up his own diet. I in turn looked at his diet & modified it to my needs (after trying vanilla noS for a while). Perhaps some of you who may be struggling with noS need to look at it again and see if it needs some tweaks to make it work better for you. It is a great diet, but part of true freedom to eat like a normal person is taking control of whatever diet you are on & making it work for you - following ANY diet to the letter of the law even if that is not quite working to me is part of the problem - reliance on an outside authority with a list of do's and don'ts, and you follow that like a disciple & magically all your problems disappear. NoS only really started working for me when I stepped away from that stance and made some modifications.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:21 pm
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This is a really great thread.
I'm glad it advanced again for easy viewing.
It seems to be another one of those threads that I consider "timeless".
Very good stuff here.
I love seeing the different responses that have been made over time,
and the different points of view about our eating difficulties
in connection with the No S Diet Plan.
I recognize some of the names,
and so I know some of the people who previoulsy posted on the thread are still here,
but I don't think that really matters.
What matters is the essential questions, and the discussions of the various problem and individual solutions.
I think it is helpful, and I enjoyed reading it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:14 pm
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I love senanbar's and gionta's replies on this thread. Since we are all individuals and are all a bit different, it makes sense to individualize the diet to be what we need.
Like senanbar, I've had an eating disorder (mild, but bothersome enough to me), and I cannot allow myself to binge on S days.
Like gionta, I think that eating a fruit or veggie between meals is o.k., although I am still trying to keep the 3 meals a day only rule. I may not always keep it. I also agree with her that it is not wise to rely 100% on an outside authority, no matter how terrific he is. We must maintain control over what and how we feed ourselves. I give great credit to Reinhard, though, and have been helped tremendously by his common-sense approach.
And I do love the general structure of the diet--3 meals a day except on special days.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:00 pm
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If you are a person that has enough will power to take all of the bad foods out of your diet throughout the week, and then eat sensibly over the week/end, the diet may work. But for most of you overweight people... to bluntly state it... you like to eat a lot. Not eating during the week will kill you, and eating whatever you want on week/ends will be out of control
Well, I have to disagree here with the OP. I'm convinced that when you consider foods good or bad that it leads to binging. You deny yourself the "bad" foods, and when you can no longer white-knuckle it, you binge on them.
On no-s, I eat anything I want, but not all at the same time. It truly works because I now can keep foods in the house and eat them a little bit at a time instead of eating the whole bag of chips or cashews, or deciding that I'm on a diet and throwing them out. I also really look forward to a home-baked dessert after dinner on weekends.
Nowhere was gorging encouraged on no-s. It's moderation all the way.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:56 am
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First, thank you for your post. This is truly a non-judgmental site; all discussions welcome and open as long as we keep it civil!
What I get from your post is that the program you followed must have had restrictions which caused you to deprive yourself of certain foods during the week. Those restrictions were lifted on weekends and like a kid in a candy shop, you could run wild.
No S is far from that. No S is about habits and choices.
I used to skip breakfast have a snack at 9:00am, and GRAZE from then until lunch at 1:30, then GRAZE until my snack at 3:00 then GRAZE until dinner anytime between 7:00 and 9:00 then have a snack before bed.
The 21 Day club allowed me to establish the habit of eating three meals a day. Sticking strictly to three plates of food a day, on weekdays, with no snacks, no sweets and no seconds has allowed me to discern when I am really hungry from when I am eating just to be eating. I am learning how to eat to fuel my body, not to soothe my mind. I am getting into the habit of recognizing when I am hungry and eating when I am hungry. My body has worked out its own time schedule. I eat breakfast around 6:30am, lunch around 12:00pm and dinner between 7:00 and 8:00.
No S is allowing me to be in control of the food I eat, rather than the food I eat controlling me. I made the choices as to what I had on my 3 plates of food. At first I piled the food high, but soon I realized that I was choosing too much food so I chose to stop. The longer I keep the No S rules the more I learn to listen to my body when it comes to my food choices. The funny thing about my body, is that it really seems to work better on three meals a day.
For me the S days are just days that are a little more relaxed. I feel so much better that I choose not to binge. Sometimes, on weekends, I choose to give in to that urge and snack, but I know that I am snacking by choice. The recognition that I am eating because I want to and not because I am not hungry is what has kept me from binging so far.
Changing your eating habits is how you lose weight. There are a lot of satisfied eaters here that are learning how to do that with No sweets, No seconds, No snacks. I can appreciate your feelings but I do encourage you to read more about this :No S Thingy" and then come back and talk to us some more.
I call this a No S "Thingy". I have never been on a successful "Diet". My brain thinks a "Thingy" is a new way of eating food, a LIFESTYLE CHANGE.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:08 am
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funfuture wrote:
I found that over time in Japan, my appetite decreased without me making any effort or feeling deprived in any way. No-S is the closest I have come to recreating that sensible way of eating - and I'm really happy about it.
this is what is happening for me right now, my appetite is decreasing "without me making any effort or feeling deprived in any way." The other thing is that my focus on food itself is also diminishing.
I have not binged in over 10 weeks now. For me that is nothing short of a miracle.
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:01 pm
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I have an eating disorder.
IMHO, eating disorders are like alcoholism. One is always recovering. So I can't ever say I
bulemic, or I'm an
Some folks might think this is slapping some unecessary guilt or label on myself. Not at all. It's a guard against hubris, and an acknowledgement that recovery is a process, not binary.
I've just started the No S diet this week. We'll see how it does with the bulemia.
"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self." Aristotle
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:40 pm
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I have binge eating disorder, pernicious for years. I am just completing eight months on the No S diet and have 21 plus years of sobriety from alcohol.
Although people often think anorexia, bulimia, binge eating and just plain old overeating are the "same thing" my experience is they are not ... exactly. There are differences ... some of them subtle, some of them perhaps not so subtle so I cannot speak directly to bulimia.
My personal experience with my eating disorder and alcoholism has shown them to be very different creatures and require completely different solutions and attitudes. The recovery from alcoholism did seem to require a certain amount of "surrender" and "humility".
The recovery for binge eating has seemed to call for different psychological tasks, a "growing up" if you will, into the self-confidence and self-reliance that mature adulthood requires in a certain measure. It is interesting for me to see in retrospect, that trying to apply the same principles of recovery for alcoholism to my binge eating disorder while healing my alcoholism, exacerbated a certain "passivity" (refusal to "grow up"?) that fueled my eating disorder.
I am not sure how this will play out for you specifically, as I said I acknowledge the differences between bulimia and BED. However, following the No S Diet allows for a completely different mental and emotional paradigm with food and eating that amazingly can bleed out into other areas of your life,
I hope it works well for you,
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:47 pm
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Freckles wrote:
I have an eating disorder.
IMHO, eating disorders are like alcoholism. One is always recovering. So I can't ever say I
bulemic, or I'm an
Some folks might think this is slapping some unecessary guilt or label on myself. Not at all. It's a guard against hubris, and an acknowledgement that recovery is a process, not binary.
I've just started the No S diet this week. We'll see how it does with the bulemia.
Good luck Freckles!
I think you will do great!!
There is no Wisdom greater than Kindness
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:00 am
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ps..by the way Freckles, the original poster here, to my knowledge, hadn't ever posted on NoS and I don't think has yet again posted, since this thread was started.. Don't let it scare you off. It's definitely *not* representative of the diet at all.
Again, best of luck to you!
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:16 pm
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Freckles wrote:
I have an eating disorder.
IMHO, eating disorders are like alcoholism. One is always recovering. So I can't ever say I
bulemic, or I'm an
Some folks might think this is slapping some unecessary guilt or label on myself. Not at all. It's a guard against hubris, and an acknowledgement that recovery is a process, not binary.
I've just started the No S diet this week. We'll see how it does with the bulemia.
I see I am resurrecting a very old post. but i wanted to say this: Yes, eating disorders and disordered thinking can hang around for quite a long time. But NoS is the closest thing I have ever seen to ending the endless thought about food. After a while you just eat your meals instead of obsessing over them. After a while you wake up and realize it's an Sday and have something you really like, not binging or overeating at all. It can start to become the way to recover. I don't think NoS would encourage eating disordered thinking, rather it is freedom from diethead and disordered thinking. Stop modifying it and just make it what it is in its simplest form. at that point that you reach a long amount of time on NoS, maybe then think about changing it up a bit. you will find in time, as i suspect (but have not experienced personally) that this is a sane way to eat that takes you away from those behaviors if you let it. If you want to cling to those behaviors it will be more tough. but it seems like freedom to me so far.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:57 pm
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MJ, really good post. NoS is freedom...a 40+ years diet veteran here.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:14 am
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Someone really dug deep for this thread. Looks like the original poster was a one and done. Possibly a spy from Low Carb Friends.
That there was funny, I don't care who you are.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:18 am
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yep i resurrected it because i found something interesting about it and i wanted to say that eating disorders are all too common, the key is making it not be about thinking about food every minute of every day! I'm hoping that over time NoS will be so much easier for me when i get the structure down.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:01 am
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oh he he he a little drama on the no s thread. Made for some interesting reading... well, when I do have a problem with overdoing it on s days, it is not the diet but ME that has the problem. I love you no s diet!
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:18 am
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Wow. So many familiar names from years past. Hope they are all doing well.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:40 am
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No S about not eating? Oh, my.
I didn't notice the dates of the posts until after I saw how many responses there were. Had me going.
Oh, the irony of feeling that No S saved me from binging, even with my many wild S days. Hey, 5 days a week was a huge improvement! And the horses are basically in the corral now.
So, if you're new and you happen to get this far, check out my testimonial.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:14 pm
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My response to the OP's idea - I definitely see how depriving yourself for 5 days in a row can "make you want it more;" and I definitely want sweets as much as always. But there is a choice of: inevitable weekday binging if I allow myself to eat what I want, versus the contained (and hopefully temporary) binging of doing it on the weekend only.
I suspect that there are No S Conquerors, that can subconsciously limit their sweets, number of plates, or have a moderate snack on the weekday and snap right back into normal eating patterns. But this stage is a long way off for most of us, because of our deep-seeded(?) food issues.
This is the most normal "diet" I've heard of. I sure don't want to keep searching in vain for anything else. Maybe after a few years No S has sunk in as more normal to people than back then? One can hope.
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Consider the starting post for this thread as spoken by the voice of a mental illness, which is what eating disorders are.
Peace out,
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|2011-07-16, 20:38
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I use Chinese translations instead, and that's pretty up to date as far as I know.
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|2011-07-16, 21:42
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Season 2 left off on volume 16. So translations will never reach in time unless the translators for Baka-Tsuki are dedicated to the core, so season 3 and the fansubbers are probably the best bet you can get for now.
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Does anyone have synopses for volumes 11-15? I've been searching this forum but haven't found much yet, except for plenty of info about other volumes.
From noticing the number of repeated requests for the synopsis of different volumes, a sticky-tag would be great too...
|2011-07-17, 00:04
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the pragma
hello..i'm new in here...and i am the one of SnS's fans too( but i just watch the anime, the LN is not full translated yet) but i want to ask some question....
1. i am just wondering....how popular is SnS light novel series in Japan now?? i know Shana is overhelming popular since the first season anime was released.. but somehow i didn't hear the name pretty often now.
2. why is the english translated SnS pretty slow? well i know the translator has his own problem in the real world but SnS has more active translator than TAMNI in baka-tsuki...
3. when i try to check the forum and compare with other forum (for example To aru series) , it's has far less post than the TAMNI forum's post, is the forum going hiatus for a while??
4. what are vol in the light novel that already adapted to anime....???
sorry for my complaining, i am pretty new in here and still don't know to much about SnS series,,,,....i appreciate if you answer my question thank you..
|2011-07-17, 06:46
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The new Haruhi novel and the Summer season animes really preoccupied me these few weeks :x
@ Above:
1. It is still popular, with SnS popping up in quite a few Newtype polls, as far as I know of. Well the Astonishment of Suzumiya Haruhi dethroned everything when it was released, so...
2. The Chinese translators are, trust me, really active. They covered all the volumes so far as I know. The translations they did are pretty good too, if you are fluent in Chinese
3. It is at stand-still, both the novel and the would be Season 3 of the anime.
4. Everything up until around 14 (?), except for the volume with the Mathilde arc, can't remember which. Can't remember much about anything except the characters and plot, I read the latest volume a few months ago ><
Hope this helps.
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|2011-07-17, 17:40
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Oh my god there's so many new users and questions.
Let me just say that a lot of you are questioning the ending. Saying that you hope it ends well, or that you hope " jc staff doesn't **** it up". I can tell you right now the novel will have an amazing ending. That's a fact. So do not worry. As to wether it will be "sad" or "happy". Honestly I think it will end well for the characters, if this was a build up break down story then it probably wouldn't be so complicated and long. Usually these kinds of factors lead to a "grandiose" ending were things turn out for the best. I don't see any melancholy ending really.
As for the anime....
I'm not quite sure. From personal experiance I'm pretty sure anime is altered in quite a different way. And I'm preeeeeeety sure it's usually for realistic purposes. So if JC staff wants to **** it up well then no one can stop them. But I doubt that. It's a good series, not something to take lightly (you'll take much better care of a $100 bill then a $1 bill right?). They'll probably lead it into the right direction. And besides, that teaser trailer explained that their going to follow the novel path anyway. They can't mess that up now.
I just had to bring that up.
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I think he means the last scene in Shakugan no Shana S episode 4.
The only problem I have so far, is that they never did animate the dreams that Yuji has when he chats with Snake about what's happening in the world and if it's truly right. Slowly talking Yuji into his goals about creating a new world where Tomogaras can live without the need to feast off humans for power of existance.
Volume 22 is basically where the volume will end (Guess I was counting extras this whole time ), so when it releases before season 3 reaches its ending. Then it will be right there that J.C. Staff will have no excuse over not enough information from the volumes to finish it. So if they really want to tarnish their remaining reputation to dust and lose major profit then they can just go ahead and mess with season 3. Now if they want to rebuild their reputation, then Shakugan no Shana season 3, To Aru Majutsu no Index season 3, and a rehash of Zero no Tsukaima season 3 is their best bet to start.
J.C. Staff seems to have enough investment to pull through animation wise since they animated quite the decent amount of animes 2-3 seasons ago. Now if they didn't throw their money in a fire, then if they invest majorly into season 3 where all those Shana fans and potential Shana fans are waiting for. Then I have high hopes they will make a decent profit from it. So overall, I don't see any reason for J.C. Staff to just blow their own studio to the ground by screwing this up.
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|2011-07-18, 01:38
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the pragma
those 3 anime are the most potential biggest profitable project...(well i doubt if it's zero no tsukaima)...for jc staff.... and SnS season 3 must be a good start followed by TAMNI season 3.......
and i want to see GARyuuji...
|2011-07-18, 15:06
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Yes that is the "teaser trailer" I'm talking about. The term,imo,comes from the gaming industry so it's a term I'm used to .
Well I agree mostly with what you're saying. But you must remember it's a business to them. Major companies could give a crap about their fans and a crap about their products. It's a about the $money$. I mean, if I was a corporate asshole and only cared about money, and not anime or games. Then I would screw the plot, and turn the story into an endless money making machine. (I've had this happen to many things I love) Remember quantity over quality! (sarcasm)
That's what i'm trying to say and partly what your saying. But the chances are unlikely. That's the cruel cruel world we live in.
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The search for a new host for TV's popular "Check, Please!" has been whittled to five finalists, says executive producer David Manilow.
Freelance writer Senam Amegashie; Tavern at the Park owner Donny de Castro; Culinary Curator president Catherine De Orio; Ina's Kitchen owner Ina Pinkney; and pastry chef and food consultant Sarah Levy are in contention for the job on WTTW-Ch. 11's most popular show.
Nearly 1,000 people sent videos to apply for the position, and in March Manilow and his team announced 17 finalists, including several chefs. Initially, the host was going to be announced May 1.
Then WTTW and the show's producers agreed to do a TV special — indeed, "The Check, Please Host (Almost) Audition Special," which promises to detail the audition and decision process, will air May 17. "We taped all these auditions, which took a long time, and we had to watch all of those auditions, which took even longer," said Manilow, the show's creator, "and we didn't want people to think they were just sending stuff in and we already knew who the host was, so their work was being dismissed. We didn't want the hard work that's gone into this to go unnoticed."
The final five, Manilow said, were chosen from a combination of online votes and simple practicality — would they would work well on the show?
The host will be announced May 29. Taping for the next season of the restaurant-review show begins in late June.
The show's previous host, celebrity sommelier Alpana Singh, announced in January that she was leaving to focus on her new restaurant, The Boarding House.


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The National Trust Guide to Late Medieval and Renaissance Britain: From the Black Death to the Civil War, by Colin Platt, published in 1986.
I had made note of this book in my local library a couple of years ago and after looking at it carefully yesterday I have already contacted my local second-hand bookstores to look for a copy. It is full of all sorts of different buildings with some great pictures. You could flip it open to virtually any page and be inspired to build what you see or use some detail in your next MOC.


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Danica Patrick makes impressive debut at Martinsville, rallying to finish 12th
MARTINSVILLE, Va. – Danica Patrick didn't know what to expect in her first career race at Martinsville Speedway. She surely didn't expect to carry the banner for Stewart-Haas Racing.
Patrick overcame an early spin that put her a lap down, a long green-flag run that put her another lap down and a bumping and banging scenario that caused her to send Dale Earnhardt Jr. spinning and finished 12th in Sunday's race.
Along the way, she even passed her boss, Tony Stewart, with 19 laps to go, and wound up the highest finisher in Stewart's three-car team as Stewart, a three-time series champion, wound up 17th and Ryan Newman was 31st.
Patrick says she felt "pretty comfortable from the get-go" on the smallest track in the series.
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