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Thomas Edison's Spirit Communication Device
Posted 15 June 2007 - 09:46 AM
Thomas Edison was a believer. There can be no doubt. In his speeches, journals, and writing he referenced on multiple occasions a machine he was building to try and communicate with the dead. In a 1920 essay, Edison wrote: "Now what I propose to do is furnish psychic investigators with an apparatus which will give a scientific aspect to their work. This apparatus, let me explain, is in the nature of a valve, so to speak. That is to say, the slightest conceivable effort is made to exert many times its initial power for indicative purposes. It is similar to a modern power house, where man, with his relatively puny one-eighth horse-power, turns a valve which starts a 50,000-horse-power steam turbine. My apparatus is along those lines, in that the slightest effort which it intercepts will be magnified many times so as to give us whatever form of record we desire for the purpose of investigation. Beyond that I dont care to say anything further regarding its nature. I have been working out the details for some time; indeed, a collaborator in this work died only the other day. In that he knew exactly what I am after in this work, I believe he ought to be the first to use it if he is able to do so."
Some would say Edison was swindled by Spiritualists in the latter part of his life. Not so. Edison was a true scientist and ruled out no possibilities his entire career as an inventor. On November 29, 1875, when Edison was just 28 years old he called a press conference because he thought he discovered a "new force," described as an "etheric force" based on a mysterious force theorized by German chemist Baron Karl von Reichenbach (1788 1869). Reichenbach claimed he discovered a force that could explain supernatural phenomena he named this force "Od," "Odyle," or "Odic" after the Norse God Odin. Edison read Reichenbach's work and was curious. He looked for it and even thought he discovered it in 1875, but later realized what he witnessed in an experiment was a natural arc of electricity. This month we're going to explore the supernatural side of Thomas Edison and look more closely at his notes on his spirit communication machine.
Our board of the month is sponsored by The Ghost World Conference. Don't miss the paranormal event of the year July 20-22, 2007 in Gettysburg!
Supernaturally yours,
-Jeff Belanger
Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:19 PM
While doing some research recently,
I came across this quote and found it relevent to the monthly discussion...
"If our personality survives, then it is strictly logical or scientific to assume it retains memory, intellect, other faculties and knowledge we acquire on Earth.
Therefore...if we can evolve an instrument so delicate as to be affected by our personality as it survives in the next life, such an instrument, when made available, ought to record something."
~Thomas Alva Edison
Edited by BellaRose, 15 June 2007 - 03:20 PM.
Posted 16 June 2007 - 09:29 AM
While doing some research recently,
I came across this quote and found it relevent to the monthly discussion...
"If our personality survives, then it is strictly logical or scientific to assume it retains memory, intellect, other faculties and knowledge we acquire on Earth.
Therefore...if we can evolve an instrument so delicate as to be affected by our personality as it survives in the next life, such an instrument, when made available, ought to record something."
~Thomas Alva Edison
Does anyone know what happened to the device he was working on??
Posted 18 June 2007 - 10:19 AM
Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:07 AM
Posted 22 June 2007 - 02:24 PM
The "Psycho-Phone depicted here is basically a modified inscription machine/phongraph.
The really interesting thing is how an urban legend can perpetuate across time. There is an urban legend that American inventor Thomas Edison was the first EVP researcher. In the 1920s, he told a reporter with Scientific American that he was working on a machine that could contact the dead, and the story was printed in many newspapers. A few years later, Edison announced that he had been making a joke at the reporter's expense, and that he had not been working on such a device. Though Edison did not attempt to create such a device, others have attempted to do so.
So let's chase this down exactly.
In a Scientific American interview, Thomas Edison was quizzed on his views regarding contacting the dead. Edison said that it might be "possible to construct an apparatus which will be so delicate that if there are personalities in another existence or sphere who wish to get in touch with us in this existence or sphere, this apparatus will at least give them a better opportunity to express themselves than the tilting tables and raps and Ouija boards and mediums and the other crude methods now purported to be the only means of communication." There is no indication that Edison designed or tried to construct such a device. From the National Park Service web site for the Edison National Historic Site:
Did Edison make a machine that could talk to the dead?
This seems to be another tall tale that Edison pulled on a reporter. In 1920 Edison told the reporter, B.F. Forbes, that he was working on a machine that could make contact with the spirits of the dead. Newspapers all over the world picked up this story. After a few years, Edison admitted that he had made the whole thing up. Today at Edison National Historic Site, we take care of over five million pages of documents. None of them mention such an experiment.
From Troy Taylor:
The Spiritualist faith had begun its revival shortly after World War I and in 1920, communication with the spirits became an obsession for one of the greatest scientists of all time, Thomas Alva Edison. Edison was a self-taught genius who believed that he could build anything if he had the right components to do it. Edison was an agnostic all of his life, never disputing the teachings of organized religion, but never embracing them either. He believed that somewhere in the universe was a great intelligence but he doubted that it had any interest in man. He claimed that when a person died, the body decayed, but the intelligence that it possessed lived on. He though the so-called "spirit world" was simply a limbo where disembodied intelligence waited to move on.
He took these beliefs one step further by announcing that he intended to device a means of communication with the spirit world. In October of 1920, an article appeared in American Magazine entitled "Edison Working to Communicate with the Next World". This was one of the many magazines who were trying to confirm that Edison was indeed attempting to communicate with the dead.
"I don't claim that our personalities pass onto another existence," Edison later told Scientific American. "I don't claim anything, because I don't know anything.... for that matter, no human being knows. But I do claim that it is possible to construct an apparatus which will be so delicate that if there are personalities in another existence who wish to get in touch with us... this apparatus will at least give them a better opportunity."
The news of Edison's coming invention made front page news around the world. The story was not treated skeptically either as some of the day's greatest scientists were then interested in piercing the mysteries of the unknown.
Edison began corresponding with the British scientist Sir William Crooke, who had developed the vacuum tube that Edison adapted into a light bulb. Crooke was deeply involved in paranormal research, especially in Spirit Photography. Crooke's collection of photographs that allegedly showed spirits of the dead prompted Edison to believe that if ghosts could be shown on film, then his device might actually work.
According to his journals and papers, Edison began working on the apparatus. The famous magician, Joseph Dunniger, claimed that he had been shown a prototype of the machine, but few others say they ever saw it. Edison reportedly continued working on the machine until his death in October 1931. At the precise moment of his death, clocks all over his house and workshop reportedly stopped working.
After his death, the plans for the apparatus could not be located. Many have searched extensively for the components, the prototype or even the plans to the machine but have never found them.
There is another story however.....
In 1941, ten years after Edison's death, the great inventor reportedly made contact at a seance that was held in New York. The spirit reportedly said that the plans for the machine were with three of his assistants. According to the story, the machine was finally built but it did not work.
Edison came through at another seance and suggested a few changes to the device. One of the members of the seance circle was J. Gilbert Wright, the inventor of putty. He claimed to have made the changes and then contacted the spirit of inventor Charles Steinmetz, who suggested further improvements. Wright reportedly continued to work on the machine until his death in 1959.... when the apparatus vanished.
Did Edison's machine actually exist or did the invention never go beyond the dreams of the great inventor? In the years that have followed Edison's death, neither the machine nor the plans to build it, have ever been found.... making his "Machine to Communicate with the Dead" one of the greatest mysteries of Edison's complex and interesting life.
The Edison Birthplace Museum is located in Milan, Ohio, which is southeast of Sandusky. It is located east of Milan on Highway 113 and is open to the public.
Copyright 1998 by Troy Taylor
It is rather odd how the information that is archived gets misconscrued into something somewhat different. The only evidence of it even exisitng is from a dubious eyewitness account from Joseph Dunninger, a magician, who made the claims after Edison's death, most likely so they comments could not be verified. Even the story of Dunninger's claims are questionable, as he spent his life debunking mediums as frauds, for example, in conjunction with Scientific American magazine and the Universal Council for Psychic Research, Dunninger offered $10,000 to any medium who could reproduce by psychic or supernatural means any physical phenomena that he could not reproduce by natural means or explain in materialistic terms. Dunninger also offered $10,000 to anyone who, with the aid of "the spirit world", could disclose the translation to secret coded messages entrusted to him by Harry Houdini and Thomas Edison. In addition, another $10,000 was offered to anyone who could introduce him to a real ghost. Dunninger learned from his association with Houdini, and, like Houdini, the stipulations to the challenge and the test conditions were agreed upon by Dunninger and the challengers before the event, which was touted in newspapers and marketing materials to a great extent and a wonderful effect. As to be expected, Dunninger kept his money.
The whole affair is a hoax, and anyone climing to have the plans for his device, a device that there is no evidence for having ever existed, is trying to sell you something. I have checked at his lab museum in Menlo Park, and there is no mention of any of this work in any of the documents stored there either. I suspect what may have occured is an anomaly in inscribing a cylinder, an early EVP if you will, that may have spiked the legend further. This is apparently the case since the psycho Phone reported in the above link, is a modified cylinder inscriber/player.
Edited by Ghost_hunter_1954, 22 June 2007 - 02:26 PM.
Posted 22 June 2007 - 02:56 PM
Posted 22 June 2007 - 03:15 PM
Thanks for the reply, I didn't think he actually worked on something. It seemed a bit of a tall tale, again thanks for the info.
Well he may have, but he left no documentation. I always find it fascinating when people claim to have built a device from Edison's Drawings. In those days, there were no transistors or integrated circuits and vacuum tubes were still in their infancy. A device similar to the Spriricom for example, could not have been built. Broadcast radio was in it's infancy as well, and the device would be the size of a large semi truck if it were even possible to build it. We have tested a variety of devices and have found none of them to work as advertised. I have made a public statement to the fact that if the users are getting successful communications, it is due to their ability to manipulate the box, instead of coming from some power the box purportedly has. Most of them are basically Gaussian Noise generators.
Posted 24 June 2007 - 04:48 PM
Posted 01 July 2007 - 11:21 PM
Posted 02 July 2007 - 08:46 AM
edison was a satanist as well
And that has what to do with the actual discussion regarding Mr. Edison's experimental device for spirit communication?
Krafted with luv
by monsters
Posted 02 July 2007 - 05:57 PM
edison was a satanist as well
And that has what to do with the actual discussion regarding Mr. Edison's experimental device for spirit communication?
topics on edison and maybe it affirms his motives
Posted 02 July 2007 - 06:20 PM
Try to keep it properly on topic. Not everything has to do with Satanism.
Krafted with luv
by monsters
Posted 02 July 2007 - 07:13 PM
just as well as other people may find it interesting to know edison was a satanist even if you dont
but edison just so happaned to belong to same society of satanist that franklin and washington belonged too
so ON TOPIC would be the fact that the reason Edison may have wanted to invent such a thing and possibly did (cause we really don't know do we?) is because of his interest in the occult particularly with the darker side of such things
so as you can plainly see i am on topic by being a little off topic.
thank you
Edited by divineheresy, 02 July 2007 - 07:14 PM.
Posted 02 July 2007 - 11:14 PM
since edisons dead and all
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Video By Justin Gunson
Words By Adam Kisiel
Photos By Greg Furey
I had the foresight to prepare for the TransWorld Snowboarding TransAm presented by Skullcandy in Mountain Creek, New Jersey, by taking a week of vacation in Pennsylvania to rest, prepare, and watch numerous episodes of Jersey Shore to wrap my head around what could possibly be the heaviest stop of the tour. My flight into Newark, New Jersey, ended with the typical flight crew announcement thanking the passengers for flying with Southwest airlines. The exception and red flag raiser with this announcement was that the Orlando-based flight crew laughed as they welcomed the passengers to "beautiful" Newark. I should have known better after noting the humor in the flight attendant's voice and I should have also refrained from answering the large Italian looking fellow's question of where the hell we were headed with those ski bags. As I waited for our rental car I couldn't help but give him a quick answer of "Mountain Creek" as he looked at us in disbelief and shrugged his shoulders.
The day before the contest was blue bird and beckoning the tour crew to go ride before the contest day. Sure this could have been just like any other day, but we got off the lift in South Mountain Creek to another eye-opening scene. As we were strapping in I heard Tribe Called Quest pumping louder and louder. I looked up to find a regular Creek local with a boom box on his shoulder—no gloves or googles—and smoking cigarettes like it was his last day on earth. He looked back at me and yelled, "I friggin' love Tribe, man." Strapping in, I knew I had to follow him down the hill. I really shouldn't have been surprised at all considering the last time the TransAm was at Mountain Creek, it was the biggest turnout of any stop with close to 200 kids competing and one of the features was a real TransAm with a guy rocking a mullet yelling at the kids not to scratch his car. So Jersey.
It puked snow all night before the contest day and covered the mountain in the freshest accumulation they had in months. It was a resort in serious need considering most of their snow up to this point was man-made. It threw a wrench into the works as most of the kids had to charge to hold speed into all the features or they would come up short and get punched in the face, worse than Snookie on a Saturday night. Luci Imbach found out firsthand as she did just that, and walked away with a blackened eye and the Best Crash Award. Matt Behre, on the other hand, had something for every feature in the whole mini park as he rocked his way into first place tearing apart the High Cascade Snowboard Camp Mini Pipe. With hair much like that of the frontman of '80s hair band, Quiet Riot, he took so many lines through the HCSC pipe, not just entering off the pole jams on either wall but refusing to hit the boxed coping on either side of the pipe without style and reckless abandon. He would finish many of his runs on that side of the park with such hot handplants above the Anon box setup into a quarterpipe that it made Pauly D's hair stand on end. The Anon box was set up so that riders could ride up, in, and redirect out into the quarterpipe or choose to air out of the quarter and ride down the box. Miles Fallon was not afraid to fist pump down to the Ride Snowboards smoking barrel setup, dodging grenades on his way through the course to bonk the barrels and earn himself the Pint-Sized Ripper Award. It's perfect for Muscle Milk to be a part of this tour and especially this stop in New Jersey where their feature was a rhythm section called the Muscle Milk Six Pack. It had juiceheads like Scott Hopper pumping through the section and lifting the second-place prize pack above his head after he earned a podium finish.
Lauren Longfield hit big screen TV creeper with her own version of TransAm drama at the Zumiez Couch feature. She creeped so hard on the TV that it smashed into pieces and made way for Brandon Schmidt to double backflip over the Zumiez orange couch and win the Zumiez Best Trick Award worth 1,000 dollars. Alexa Cerra called the cab for the rest of the riders to go home as she danced across the Skullcandy Sound Tube setup into an iced-out spine landing. The Giro Helmet rainbow rail was also a popular option at the top end of the park giving riders a chance to showcase their talents and protect their newly razored fade or gelled up blowout hair with a custom TransAm Giro Helmet. The Coal Headwear Twin Beanie feature gave most of the kids a chance to butter up or tail block smoosh room style. All in all, the riding was as dirty as the State and the over-produced MTV show.
The afterparty was set with pizzas for everyone and awesome prizes like Ride Snowboards and outerwear, Anon Optics goggles, Drop Gloves, custom High Cascade Snowboard Camp backpacks, Zumiez gift cards, custom Coal TransAM beanies, custom Skullcandy TransAm Headphones, custom Giro TransAM helmets, and, of course, the signature TransAm trophies for our top finishers. Rider votes were tallied and The Muscle Milk Recovery Riders' Choice Award went to Brandon Schmidt who walked away with an oversized 200-dollar check from Muscle Milk. GTL all day long, baby!
1st Matt Behre
2nd Scott Harper
3rd Richie Verost
1st Lauren Longfield
2nd Alexa Cerra
3rd Gina Perrelli
Best Crash: Luci Imbach
Zumiez Best Trick Award: Brandon Schmidt
Muscle Milk Riders' Choice Award: Brandon Schmidt
Pint-Sized Ripper: Miles Fallon

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Install and Setup of Cisco Cloud Services Router (CSR) for OpenStack VPN
From DocWiki
This guide provides instructions on how to set up a CSR to provide site-to-site IPSec VPNaaS for an OpenStack cloud computing environment. The CSR will operate as an out-of-band virtual router connected in parallel with a companion Neutron router to provide the ability to establish VPN connections for tenants of OpenStack.
For simplicity, the guide will use DevStack as a way to start up OpenStack. However, the same procedures can be applied to a traditional OpenStack deployment (albeit with some manual steps at this time).
Note that the OpenStack VPNaaS feature is an experimental release, and APIs may change in the future. These procedures describe a manual process to set up VPN using the CSR. The goal in the future is to integrate the CSR into OpenStack, so that use with VPNaaS (and other services) will be seamless.
There are several things needed to setup an OpenStack cloud for VPN operation with CSR:
- A CSR 3.13 .iso image (EFT image should be available in May 2014)
- CSR license (contact Cisco Sales)
- Use OpenStack Icehouse RC1 or newer (keep in mind that changes in OpenStack and CSR images need to be in sync)
- Helper scripts for using up the CSR under OpenStack - https://github.com/CiscoSystems/openstack-csr
- Adequate hardware (CPU/memory) for running OpenStack with CSR images (TODO link to UCS...)
- Connectivity to another OpenStack (e.g. DevStack) cloud or compatible IPSec VPN site-to-site device (virtual or physical).
- You have a basic understanding of how to start up DevStack (http://devstack.org/).
- You have some familiarity with how to configure (from a user's perspective) OpenStack's VPN with either Horizon or the Neutron client.
- You're using Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS (64 bit, obviously) on your host will all current updates. Using a different operating system is left as an exercise for the reader.
In this guide, we'll focus on the detailed steps needed to set up one of the two sites for the IPSec site-to-site VPN connectivity. The example uses the same method for the other site (with just brief info on the different IPs used), and you can follow the same instructions to create a complete site-to-site connection with two clouds using a CSR. Alternately, you can employ the reference OpenStack VPN implementation or a compatible virtual or physical VPN device for the other end of the site-to-site VPN connection.
In the example configuration, we have this physical topology:
There are two UCS systems, which will each host an OpenStack (using DevStack) cloud for the site-to-site VPN end-points. A physical connection between the two nodes will be used for the "public" network (172.24.4.0/24), where traffic between the private networks (10.1.0.0/24 and 10.2.0.0/24) will be encrypted. There is an internal network on the node (192.168.200.0/24) for management of the CSR during operation, and another network (184.108.40.206/24) for setup of the clouds.
Logically, we have the following topology for the first cloud, running on the devstack-32 host:
You can see the IPs that will be used for public and private networks. For the other host, devstack-33, we have:
The key information in these drawings are the IP addresses used for the CSR (private and public), the public IP of the peer CSR, and the physical ethernet interface being used.
Install Process
Step 1: Installing DevStack
Recording of steps 1 & 2: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?RCID=177e1f5a051546189673ec5fe2dddc2f
The first thing we need to do, is obtain all of the OpenStack code and install it on the system. We'll use DevStack to do that, but at the same time, we'll start to prepare DevStack for use with the CSR. Obtain the latest DevStack repo with:
cd git clone git://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack.git cd devstack
For the devstack-32 host, we have these attributes to consider:
- Local network (FIXED_RANGE) will be 10.1.0.0/24 with router (GW) using 10.1.0.1
- Public GW at 172.24.4.10 on the 172.24.4.0/24 public network (will be the br-ex interface).
- Set of floating IPs reserved on the public network in the range 172.24.4.11 - 172.24.4.19
- Using eth1 for the public network interface.
Here is the localrc file for devstack-32, using the above information:
GIT_BASE=http://git.openstack.org DEST=/opt/stack disable_service n-net enable_service q-svc enable_service q-agt enable_service q-dhcp enable_service q-l3 enable_service q-meta enable_service neutron enable_service tempest enable_service q-vpn API_RATE_LIMIT=False VOLUME_BACKING_FILE_SIZE=4G FIXED_RANGE=10.1.0.0/24 FIXED_NETWORK_SIZE=256 PRIVATE_SUBNET_NAME="mysubnet" NETWORK_GATEWAY=10.1.0.1 FLOATING_RANGE=172.24.4.0/24 PUBLIC_SUBNET_NAME="yoursubnet" PUBLIC_INTERFACE=eth1 OVS_PHYSICAL_BRIDGE=br-ex PUBLIC_NETWORK_GATEWAY=172.24.4.10 Q_FLOATING_ALLOCATION_POOL=start=172.24.4.11,end=172.24.4.19 Q_USE_SECGROUP=False VIRT_DRIVER=libvirt SWIFT_REPLICAS=1 export OS_NO_CACHE=True SCREEN_LOGDIR=/opt/stack/screen-logs SYSLOG=True SKIP_EXERCISES=boot_from_volume,client-env ROOTSLEEP=0 ACTIVE_TIMEOUT=60 BOOT_TIMEOUT=90 ASSOCIATE_TIMEOUT=60 ADMIN_PASSWORD=password MYSQL_PASSWORD=password RABBIT_PASSWORD=password SERVICE_PASSWORD=password SERVICE_TOKEN=tokentoken # Temp try ML2 # Q_PLUGIN=openvswitch Q_USE_DEBUG_COMMAND=True Q_VPN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES=(/opt/stack/neutron/etc/neutron/plugins/cisco/cisco_vpn_agent.ini) # RECLONE=No # OFFLINE=True RECLONE=yes OFFLINE=false
All of the OpenStack software will be installed, by doing ./stack.sh. Once completed, you can run ./unstack.sh and comment out the RECLONE line in localrc: Now that Neutron code has been installed, you can modify localrc to turn off recloning and set offline operation:
RECLONE=No OFFLINE=True # RECLONE=yes # OFFLINE=false
Step 2: CSR Preparation
For this step, we have these attributes for the devstack-32 host:
- Host IP is 22.214.171.124
- Local (private) IP for CSR will be 10.1.0.6
- Public IP for CSR will be 172.24.4.13
We've setup an account called openstack on our system, with the usual sudo permissions. Obtain the helper scripts that will be used to assist in installing, starting, and hooking the CSR to Neutron:
cd git clone https://github.com/CiscoSystems/openstack-csr csr cd csr mkdir 3.13
Download your ISO CSR image into the 3.13 directory (if you happen to have a OVA image, it can be converted to an ISO - procedures TODO).
Copy the config.ini.sample to config.ini file and set the version to 3.13, the filename in the ISO environment variable to match the image placed in the 3.13 directory, and use the date of the image in the IMAGE environment variable. Also, set the HOST environment variable to the IP of the host the CSR will run on.
ISO="/home/openstack/csr/$VERS/csr1000v-universalk9.BLD_MCP_DEV_LATEST_20140325_064532.iso" ... HOST="188.8.131.52"
NOTE: If you are using this same method on the far end's setup, be sure to change the UUID and MAC addresses, so that there are no conflicts on the public interfaces (do this on all I/Fs). NOTE: These scripts assume the files are under the account "openstack". If you have a different account, edit them accordingly.
To do the install, run sudo ./install-csr as root. From another system (e.g. a Ubuntu desktop jump box) with access to this host, VNC into the host, on port zero (e.g. 18.104.22.168:0) to access the console of the CSR and watch the boot process. It takes 15-20 minutes, so be patient. When asked "Would you like to enter the initial configuration dialog", select yes and the following selections can be made:
- Basic management => yes
- Defaults for settings for host
- enable secret lab, enable password lab (ignore the warning about them being the same, and re-enter again)
- virtual term password cisco, which will be used when accessing via REST
- SNMP management "yes" and choose all defaults by pressing enter
- Enter GigabitEthernet1 for management interface.
- Enter "yes" to configure IP and set an IP address and subnet mask for management access (e.g. 192.168.200.2/255.255.255.0)
- Select to save the configuration (option 2).
On the host, you can enter these to commands, to temporarily setup an interface to talk to the CSR:
sudo ovs-vsctl add-port br-csr to_csr -- set interface to_csr type=internal sudo ifconfig to_csr 192.168.200.3/24 up
You can then Telnet to the CSR using the management IP set up (e.g. 192.168.200.2) with the password "cisco", enter enable mode "en" with password "lab", and provide the basic configuration:
config t interface GigabitEthernet2 ip address 172.24.4.13 255.255.255.0 negotiation auto no shut ! interface GigabitEthernet3 ip address 10.1.0.6 255.255.255.0 negotiation auto no shut ! ! interface VirtualPortGroup0 ip unnumbered GigabitEthernet1 ! transport-map type persistent webui http-restapi secure-server ! virtual-service csr_mgmt vnic gateway VirtualPortGroup0 guest ip address 192.168.200.20 activate ! transport type persistent webui input http-restapi ! ip http server ip http authentication local ip http secure-server ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 GigabitEthernet1 192.168.200.1 ip route 192.168.200.20 255.255.255.255 VirtualPortGroup0 ! ip ssh version 2 username stack priv 15 secret cisco remote-management restful-api local-port 443 license boot level premium
You must enter "yes" for the licensing, and when it is completed, "end" configuration and enter "write" to save the configuration. At this point, the basic CSR installation is completed, although the system must be rebooted to complete the licensing process. This will be done later, but for now, on the host, press control-C to shutdown the CSR VM. Use the following command to remove the temporary bridge that was created to install the CSR:
sudo ovs-vsctl del-br br-csr
Just for reference, on the other node, we would set up the configuration on the CSR with:
config t interface GigabitEthernet2 ip address 172.24.4.23 255.255.255.0 negotiation auto no shut ! interface GigabitEthernet3 ip address 10.2.0.6 255.255.255.0 negotiation auto no shut ! ! interface VirtualPortGroup0 ip unnumbered GigabitEthernet1 ! transport-map type persistent webui http-restapi secure-server ! virtual-service csr_mgmt vnic gateway VirtualPortGroup0 guest ip address 192.168.200.20 activate ! transport type persistent webui input http-restapi ! ip http server ip http authentication local ip http secure-server ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 GigabitEthernet1 192.168.200.1 ip route 192.168.200.20 255.255.255.255 VirtualPortGroup0 ! ip ssh version 2 username stack priv 15 secret cisco license boot level premium
The next step is to configure the CSR for REST access, but first OpenStack (DevStack) must be installed and started up...
Step 3: Adapting OpenStack To Work With The CSR
Recording of steps 3 and 4 (note, a file edit mistake was made at timestamp 02:15, but was corrected at timestamp 21:00 and there is useful info inbetween) https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?RCID=57b455ec881d4b82ad312c34da278b2a
To prepare DevStack so that it starts up with the Cisco device driver, service driver, and .ini file, we can modify DevStack's library files and change the init files used. First, patch in the following changes (or manually edit, if there are patching issues) to DevStack lib files to allow a Cisco .ini file to be loaded by the agent at startup.
patch -p 1 << EOT diff --git a/lib/neutron b/lib/neutron index 81db2a7..8bd8d9e 100644 --- a/lib/neutron +++ b/lib/neutron @@ -127,6 +127,10 @@ Q_L3_ROUTER_PER_TENANT=${Q_L3_ROUTER_PER_TENANT:-False} # See _configure_neutron_common() for details about setting it up declare -a Q_PLUGIN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES +# List of (optional) config files for VPN device drivers to use with +# the neutron-q-vpn agent +declare -a Q_VPN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES + Q_RR_CONF_FILE=$NEUTRON_CONF_DIR/rootwrap.conf if [[ "$Q_USE_ROOTWRAP" == "False" ]]; then @@ -495,7 +499,7 @@ function start_neutron_agents { L3_CONF_FILES="$L3_CONF_FILES --config-file $Q_FWAAS_CONF_FILE" fi if is_service_enabled q-vpn; then - screen_it q-vpn "cd $NEUTRON_DIR && $AGENT_VPN_BINARY $L3_CONF_FILES" + screen_it q-vpn "cd $NEUTRON_DIR && $AGENT_VPN_BINARY $VPN_CONF_FILES" else screen_it q-l3 "cd $NEUTRON_DIR && python $AGENT_L3_BINARY $L3_CONF_FILES" fi @@ -658,6 +662,7 @@ function _configure_neutron_dhcp_agent { } function _configure_neutron_l3_agent { + local cfg_file Q_L3_ENABLED=True # for l3-agent, only use per tenant router if we have namespaces Q_L3_ROUTER_PER_TENANT=$Q_USE_NAMESPACE @@ -669,6 +674,15 @@ function _configure_neutron_l3_agent { Q_FWAAS_CONF_FILE=$NEUTRON_CONF_DIR/fwaas_driver.ini fi + if is_service_enabled q-vpn; then + Q_VPN_CONF_FILE=$NEUTRON_CONF_DIR/vpn_agent.ini + cp $NEUTRON_DIR/etc/vpn_agent.ini $Q_VPN_CONF_FILE + VPN_CONF_FILES="--config-file $NEUTRON_CONF --config-file=$Q_L3_CONF_FILE --config-file=$Q_VPN_CONF_ + for cfg_file in ${Q_VPN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES[@]}; do + VPN_CONF_FILES+=" --config-file $cfg_file" + done + fi + cp $NEUTRON_DIR/etc/l3_agent.ini $Q_L3_CONF_FILE iniset $Q_L3_CONF_FILE DEFAULT verbose True EOT
Next, add this patch to Devstack to cause the Cisco service driver to be enabled as the default:
patch -p 1 << EOT diff --git a/lib/neutron b/lib/neutron index 02dcaf6..452281b 100644 --- a/lib/neutron +++ b/lib/neutron @@ -728,6 +728,7 @@ function _configure_neutron_fwaas { function _configure_neutron_vpn { neutron_vpn_install_agent_packages neutron_vpn_configure_common + neutron_vpnaas_configure_driver } # _configure_neutron_plugin_agent() - Set config files for neutron plugin agent diff --git a/lib/neutron_plugins/services/vpn b/lib/neutron_plugins/services/vpn index d920ba6..a676fdc 100644 --- a/lib/neutron_plugins/services/vpn +++ b/lib/neutron_plugins/services/vpn @@ -18,6 +18,10 @@ function neutron_vpn_configure_common { _neutron_service_plugin_class_add $VPN_PLUGIN } +function neutron_vpnaas_configure_driver() { + iniset_multiline $NEUTRON_CONF service_providers service_provider "VPN:cisco:neutron.services.vpn.service_drivers.cisco_ipsec.CiscoCsrIPsecVPNDriver:default" +} + function neutron_vpn_stop { local ipsec_data_dir=$DATA_DIR/neutron/ipsec local pids EOT
The alternative is to modify /etc/neutron/neutron.conf, after stacking, to have this line uncommented (instead of the OpenSwan VPN line), and then restart the process:
After the service driver is setup, we want to enable the Cisco device driver by uncommenting this line in /opt/stack/neutron/etc/vpn_agent.ini:
Finally, the CSR information must be placed in /opt/stack/neutron/etc/neutron/plugins/cisco/cisco_vpn_agent.ini, which the above patch will make this available when the agent starts up. For devstack-32, we have these attributes:
- Neutron router IP 172.24.4.11
These are used in the file as follows:
[cisco_csr_rest:172.24.4.11] rest_mgmt = 192.168.200.20 tunnel_ip = 172.24.4.13 username = stack password = cisco timeout = 60
The IP on the [cisco_csr_rest:...] line is the public IP for the Neutron router that is associated with the CSR (172.24.4.11 for devstack-32). Private network packets sent to the Neutron router, will be forwarded to the CSR, which will encrypt and send them over the tunnel established on the public network defined. The rest_mgmt IP is the predefined CSR IP address on the management network that will be used for REST messages. The tunnel_ip will be the public interface IP for the CSR (172.24.4.13 for devstack-32), and will be on the same subnet as the router's public interface (typically, Neutron will assign the first floating IP to the router, and the third to the CSR). This must match the IP that is assigned by Neutron, when the CSR is later started (see below).
Step 4: OpenStack Startup
Prior to starting DevStack for use with the CSR, the external bridge should be created and the ethernet interface added, and brought up. We'll create a script (prep.32) to run, as it will be used later.
cd /home/openstack/devstack mkdir scripts cat << EOF | tee scripts/prep.32 sudo ovs-vsctl del-br br-ex sudo ifconfig eth1 down sudo ifconfig eth1 up sudo ovs-vsctl add-br br-ex sudo ifconfig br-ex up sudo ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex eth1 EOF chmod 755 scripts/prep.32 scripts/prep.32
Note that we are specifying the physical inteface, eth1, for this host so that Neutron can use this public network from br-ex.
At this point, you can start DevStack, by using ./stack.sh. Once this startup has completed and everything is running, SSH and ping can be enabled on the private nework, and two VMs created:
cat << EOT | tee scripts/build-vms.32 source openrc admin admin # Allow admin tenant access to private net (needed?) neutron net-update --shared=True private source openrc admin demo nova secgroup-add-rule default icmp -1 -1 0.0.0.0/0 nova secgroup-add-rule default tcp 22 22 0.0.0.0/0 PRIVATE_NET=\`neutron net-list | grep private | cut -f 2 -d'|' | cut -f 2 -d' '\` nova boot --flavor 1 --image cirros-0.3.1-x86_64-uec --nic net-id=\$PRIVATE_NET peter nova boot --flavor 1 --image cirros-0.3.1-x86_64-uec --nic net-id=\$PRIVATE_NET paul EOT chmod 755 scripts/build-vms.32 scripts/build-vms.32
Note, for the other host, you can use different image names (e.g. mary, thomas), and name the scripts appropriately (e.g. build-vms.33). You don't have to create VMs, but the IP that will be automatically assigned to the CSR by Neutron, depends on how many IPs have been used prior to starting the CSR. We create two, so that the next I will be 10.1.0.6 and will match the static IP configured in the CSR. If you change this around, you'll need to modify the CSR configuration. In addition, if you restart the CSR multiple times, while OpenStack is running, the Neutron router will assign new IPs for the interfaces, and again, they won't match.
To setup a management network for the CSR and port in OVS to access the CSR, do the following:
cat << EOF | tee scripts/csr source openrc admin admin # Create a mamangement network for CSR neutron net-create mgmt neutron subnet-create --disable-dhcp --name=mgmt-subnet mgmt 192.168.200.0/24 sudo ovs-vsctl add-port br-int to_csr -- set interface to_csr type=internal sudo ifconfig to_csr 192.168.200.3/24 up EOF chmod 755 scripts/csr scripts/csr
Step 5: CSR Configuration
Recording of step 5 at https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?RCID=5b6a7040b8ea40ef8e36af3d39fd93b6
Now that the Neutron network is all set up (and the two VMs created), the CSR VM can be booted up. In a separate terminal (because this will need to remain running as long as the CSR is up), use the following commands:
cd /home/openstack/csr sudo ./startvm.sh
The CSR will boot up (this takes 5-7 mins), after which you can then Telnet to the CSR using the management IP set up (e.g. 192.168.200.2). The boot process can be monitored by VNC into the host at port 50 (e.g. 126.96.36.199:50, for the devstack-32 host). The configuration done previously, should be there, and interfaces should all be up/up. For GigabitEthernet2 (on public net) and GigabitEthernet3 (on private net), you should verify the IP addresses and make sure they match what was created by the Neutron binding (and make sure the public IP matches what you placed in the cisco_vpn_agent.ini file). Use:
cd /home/openstack/devstack source openrc admin demo neutron port-list
and check public_p and private_p IPs for GigabitEthernet2 and GigabitEthernet3, respectively. As mentioned before, the IPs should match, as we created two VMs, so the CSR should be at 10.x.0.6. If either of the addresses are wrong, then either they were entered incorrectly on the CSR or scripts, a different number of VMs were created, or the CSR was stopped and restarted (as Neutron will assign the next available IP each time the CSR is started). If things don't match, alter the CSR configuration.
You can verify that /etc/neutron/neutron.conf has the Cisco service driver specified as the default, /etc/neutron/vpnagent.ini has the Cisco device driver uncommented, and you can check the /opt/stack/screen-logs/ log files to ensure that the Cisco drivers are loaded and used, and that the CSR settings from cisco_vpn_agent.ini are loaded (screen-q-svc.log and screen-q-vpn.log).
Note: In the future, each time you start DevStack, create VMs, and then start the CSR, as long as you use the same sequence, the private IP address will be the same.
Step 6: Setting up the other host
Recording of step 6 and usage at https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?RCID=01197bff7bfd4ad0866662fdf1c5b690
As mentioned, the example configuration has a second host, devstack-33, which we set up in a similar manner. With this host we have different attributes. For the CSR preparation, we have:
- Host IP is 188.8.131.52
- Local (private) IP for CSR will be 10.2.0.6
- Public IP for CSR will be 172.24.4.23
For OpenStack setup, and the localrc file, we use:
- Local network (FIXED_RANGE) will be 10.2.0.0/24 with router (GW) using 10.2.0.1
- Public GW at 172.24.4.20 on the 172.24.4.0/24 public network.
- Set of floating IPs reserved on the public network in the range 172.24.4.21 - 172.24.4.29
- Using eth3 for the public network interface.
For reference, here is the file used:
GIT_BASE=http://git.openstack.org DEST=/opt/stack disable_service n-net enable_service q-svc enable_service q-agt enable_service q-dhcp enable_service q-l3 enable_service q-meta enable_service neutron enable_service tempest enable_service q-vpn API_RATE_LIMIT=False VOLUME_BACKING_FILE_SIZE=4G FIXED_RANGE=10.2.0.0/24 FIXED_NETWORK_SIZE=256 NETWORK_GATEWAY=10.2.0.1 PRIVATE_SUBNET_NAME=mysubnet PUBLIC_SUBNET_NAME=yoursubnet PUBLIC_INTERFACE=eth3 OVS_PHYSICAL_BRIDGE=br-ex FLOATING_RANGE=172.24.4.0/24 PUBLIC_NETWORK_GATEWAY=172.24.4.20 Q_FLOATING_ALLOCATION_POOL="start=172.24.4.21,end=172.24.4.29" Q_USE_SECGROUP=False VIRT_DRIVER=libvirt SWIFT_REPLICAS=1 export OS_NO_CACHE=True SCREEN_LOGDIR=/opt/stack/screen-logs SYSLOG=True SKIP_EXERCISES=boot_from_volume,client-env ROOTSLEEP=0 ACTIVE_TIMEOUT=60 BOOT_TIMEOUT=90 ASSOCIATE_TIMEOUT=60 ADMIN_PASSWORD=password MYSQL_PASSWORD=password RABBIT_PASSWORD=password SERVICE_PASSWORD=password SERVICE_TOKEN=tokentoken # Temp try ML2 # Q_PLUGIN=openvswitch Q_USE_DEBUG_COMMAND=True Q_VPN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES=(/opt/stack/neutron/etc/neutron/plugins/cisco/cisco_vpn_agent.ini) # RECLONE=No # OFFLINE=True RECLONE=yes OFFLINE=False
For adapting the OpenStack setup for the CSR, the cisco_vpn_agent.ini will use these attributes:
- Neutron router IP 172.24.4.21
Do all of the same steps, and be sure to verify pings and IPs on the CSR.
At this point, DevStack should be able to communicate with the CSR via the REST API. To check that, we'll use some basic commands.
Note: If you are behind a firewall, you may have to disable proxy for the CSR IPs, before using the commands below:
export no_proxy=$no_proxy,192.168.200.20,192.168.200.2
To verify access to the CSR's REST APIs use:
curl -X POST https://192.168.200.20/api/v1/auth/token-services -H "Accept:application/json" -H "Content-Length: 0" -u "stack:cisco" -d "" -k -3 -v
This should succeed and return an authorization token for the CSR. Now that we know it works, we can use the Neutron client CLI commands or Horizon to configure a site-to-site IPSec connection between the two clouds.
Note: Because the CSR is running out-of-band, we need to tell the Neutron router to redirect packets destined to the far end, to the CSR.
Using the command line and the Neutron client, here are the steps on devstack-32.
source openrc admin demo # Setup static route to CSR for VPN link CSR_PORT=`neutron port-list | grep private_p | cut -d' ' -f 11 | cut -f 2 -d'"'` neutron router-update router1 --routes type=dict list=true destination=10.2.0.0/24,nexthop=$CSR_PORT neutron vpn-ikepolicy-create ikepolicy1 neutron vpn-ipsecpolicy-create ipsecpolicy1 neutron vpn-service-create --name myvpn --description "My vpn service" router1 mysubnet neutron ipsec-site-connection-create --name vpnconnection1 --vpnservice-id myvpn --ikepolicy-id ikepolicy1 \ --ipsecpolicy-id ipsecpolicy1 --peer-address 172.24.4.23 --peer-id 172.24.4.23 \ --peer-cidr 10.2.0.0/24 --psk secret
Here are the steps to setup the connection on devstack-33:
source openrc admin demo # Setup static route to CSR for VPN link CSR_PORT=`neutron port-list | grep private_p | cut -d' ' -f 11 | cut -f 2 -d'"'` neutron router-update router1 --routes type=dict list=true destination=10.1.0.0/24,nexthop=$CSR_PORT neutron vpn-ikepolicy-create ikepolicy1 neutron vpn-ipsecpolicy-create ipsecpolicy1 neutron vpn-service-create --name myvpn --description "My vpn service" router1 mysubnet neutron ipsec-site-connection-create --name vpnconnection1 --vpnservice-id myvpn --ikepolicy-id ikepolicy1 \ --ipsecpolicy-id ipsecpolicy1 --peer-address 172.24.4.13 --peer-id 172.24.4.13 \ --peer-cidr 10.1.0.0/24 --psk secret
You should be able to ping from a VM in the devstack-32 cloud to a VM in the devstack-33 cloud. The neutron vpn-service-status and ipsec-site-connection-list commands can be used to see the status of the IPSec connection. Note: It takes time for the VPN connection to be negotiated.
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Jan 31, 2008, 9:02 PM
Post #1601 of 1694 (6433 views)
Re: [skyjack71] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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i really doubt that a 28 ft canopy would fit in the smaller nb6 container. i have packed nb6's and i gotta tell ya its tite.extending the container so a 28 would fit would not be legal as an emergency parchute.the faa approves military personel assemblies for use (i dont recall the wording in the f.a.r.s )but unless the container was built with extensions at the factory and there was a military drawing/ contract #, it would nt be legal for use as an emergency parachute.
of course if cossey DID somehow manage to put the much bigger (ABOUT 200 sq feet) and bulkier 28 ft canopy into the smaller nb6 container ,then cooper would likely have had an extremely HARD pull .remember,this was back in the days of cones(which the nb6 and nb8 containers had 4), NOT closing loops. rigs with cones exhibit higher ripcord pull forces than the same container with loops.
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by dumstuntzz on Jan 31, 2008, 9:32 PM)
Jan 31, 2008, 9:55 PM
Post #1602 of 1694 (6416 views)
Re: [dumstuntzz] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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I really doubt that a 28 ft canopy would fit in the smaller NB-6 container. I have packed NB-6's and i gotta tell ya its tight. Extending the container so a 28 would fit would not be legal as an emergency parachute. The FAA approves military personnel assemblies for use (I dont recall the wording in the FARs) but unless the container was built with extensions at the factory and there was a military drawing/contract #, it would'nt be legal for use as an emergency parachute.
Poynter Volume 1 has a procedure for extending the side flaps of an NB-6 or similar, but it's clear that it's just for use as a sport back, with canopies like T-10 or PC.
Just to muddy things up a bit: Poynter's description of an NB-6 says it has a 26' canopy. The description of NB-8 is "Same as NB-6 except that it has a 28' white nylon flat circular canopy." I wouldn't think "same" necessarily means "identical dimensions." More likely, it means "similar in appearance." If so, I'd think it possible that jumpers/riggers of the time may have used the terms interchangeably, similar to the way we do now when we use "T-10" as a generic term to mean an green 35' parabolic canopy, including modified T-10s and MC-1 series canopies.
Jan 31, 2008, 11:00 PM
Post #1603 of 1694 (6406 views)
Re: [dumstuntzz] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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Hi dumstuntzz,
i really doubt that a 28 ft canopy would fit in the smaller nb6 container. i have packed nb6's and i gotta tell ya its tite.
I'm with you on this. I have packed a few NB-6's many a year ago and they are
Here is the funny part: Skyjack71 thinks it actually makes a difference. There so many variables to this whole thing that nothing makes sense. Oh, and the rate of descent is theoretical; Yes, I do know that rate of descents could have been measured but under what atmospheric conditions, not the same and on Cooper's jump. What if he had blown a panel on opening, then what about the rate of descent?
Feb 1, 2008, 6:51 AM
Post #1604 of 1694 (6361 views)
Re: [Guru312] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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I give you an A+ for that one!!!!!
Feb 1, 2008, 7:31 AM
Post #1605 of 1694 (6353 views)
Re: [JerryBaumchen] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you actually said you were able to get a stand up landing once with the 26 conical. Not that it matters much, I doubt Cooper had the conditions that alllowed you such a nice land (and remember he has a 22 pound bag strapped to his waist).
But, you're right... this debate is elementary. It certainly has some relevance if we want to determine how much pain Cooper may have been in.
The serious question to determine is the timeline. 8:15 seems a little late, but even at 8:15 there's small odds that he lands near a tributary, and by small, I actually mean he might be pushing 8:16... I don't know.
Someone said a typical fligth path is 8 miles wide, with +/- 4 mile tolerance to either side. Why I think that would
hold in this case is because this amount of leeway would put the plane directly in PDX airspace... and not that flight control at PDX wouldn't move everyone else out of the way for a hijacked plane, but why fly there when there's no need?
If the FBI & NWA were so certain that the timeline was no later than 8:12 (and this was after factoring in a +/- 1 min of tolerance) then why push it out to 8:15 if we can't even get Cooper to die at 8:15? (remember, he has to deploy his chute almost immediately, then land on flat landscape on a farm, and die upon impact and no one ever find him)...
If the 8:15 mark is so weak, there's really no point in discussing flight path because we know where the plane is between 8:10 & 8:12.
The thing about flight path though that certainly makes for a great debate... if the flight path really is 8 miles wide (and I may doubt this is true for V23), then there's REALLY no way Cooper has a planned escape route.
I'm sorry, all these theories about what gadgets he might have with him to tell him where he's at... and memorizing the turns on V23... if the plane can be that far off course, he could land as far as 8 miles from where he wanted to... it would seem to me that if Cooper planned his escape that thoroughly, then he sure made A LOT of assumptions and left a lot to chance.
Conclusion: Cooper had no definitive escape planned other than jump and possibly make his way home somehow.
Feb 1, 2008, 8:18 AM
Post #1606 of 1694 (6336 views)
Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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Conclusion: Cooper had no definitive escape planned other than jump and possibly make his way home somehow.
Right on.
I haven't heard anything to suggest he wanted to jump out anywhere in particular. Correct me please but didn't he say only "fly to Mexico at 10,000'"?
Feb 1, 2008, 8:47 AM
Post #1607 of 1694 (6323 views)
Re: [jonstark] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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From Coopers actions and requests it can be logically concluded Cooper wanted to jump just after wheels up. Cooper wanted to takeoff with the airstairs down, which could mean he wanted them down to insure they were open for his escape or he wanted to jump as soon as possible after takeoff.
Because Cooper began trying to open the stairs a few minutes after takeoff, it stands to reason he wanted out as fast as possible.
Cooper had problems getting the stairs to open and it was not until the captain slowed and leveled the plane that the stairs dropped. A few minutes after the pressure change occurred.
Cooper never requested a flight path, he never requested an update from the flight crew and no one reported he even had on a watch that he could have timed wheels up. Also, V 23 is not the only low altitude route south from Seatac.
Conclusion, Cooper had little idea where he was when he jumped. His original plan, based on what he thought he knew, was toast when the airstairs could not be open on takeoff. He now had to think on his feet. "no big deal, I'll just open them like they told and jump ASAP." More problems, the stairs won't open, "plan C" jump as soon as they do.
Each minute that passes puts him a few miles from his original jump location. The stairs finally open, he tries to think what to do, "where am I, not where I wanted to be." tries to gauge it for a minute or two, then "F it, I am this far into it, I'll make it up as I goooooo........"
Feb 1, 2008, 9:14 AM
Post #1608 of 1694 (6312 views)
Re: [Ckret] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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I agree whole heartedly.
This smacks in the face of those that would say Cooper executed his plan down perfectly. It just doesn't seem that way, and therefore, discussions about an accomplice and discussions about him planning out his alibi are on precarious ground.
The arguments in favor of such suspects already have their flaws, and the lines of reasoning pointed out by Ckret only diminish what little possibilty remains.
In other words, those that would say this crime has been solved by two slueths, one of which has passed away, cannot be serious in their reasoning. If they are serious, then they either missed something or they failed to explain how they can make up this deficiency.
I can't say we can rule out anyone... but based upon what we
it sure appears 99%
that it was Mayfield. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the facts... but then again, maybe we've all gone through a lot of mental gymnastics only to conclude who Cooper likely was and was not, and he just doesn't fit.
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by SafecrackingPLF on Feb 1, 2008, 9:17 AM)
Feb 1, 2008, 9:23 AM
Post #1609 of 1694 (6304 views)
Re: [dumstuntzz] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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if cossey managed to get that 28' canopy into the smaller nb6 container he likely had a very HARD pull.possibly even a NO pull.
Feb 1, 2008, 9:40 AM
Post #1610 of 1694 (6300 views)
Re: [dumstuntzz] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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If he has a no pull, then we have a problem.
If forward throw for a body or bag of money is less than a mile (which it sounds like it's less than 3,000 feet), then I can tell you categorically that there's no way there was a no pull or a lost bag in mid-air.
Not unless we manage to absolutely push out the timeline
move the flight path out 2 additional miles east.
Feb 1, 2008, 9:58 AM
Post #1611 of 1694 (6292 views)
Re: [Ckret] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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I agree with Ckret. Cooper was planning to jump not very long after takeoff, perhaps into suburbs or outskirts, but not wilderness. Even though it looks like he didnt necessarily plan to jump at night, he must have known it would be evening, and what does he wear? Not even a parka. No hiking shoes, etc. If he thought that he'd be making a night jump into the terrain we think he exited over, he'd have dressed differently, even if just for comfort rather than survival. This wasn't a spur of the minute caper formulated on the plane. He planned, built a "bomb" and researched 727 systems. He must have given some thought to suitable clothing for the jump. He didnt have to dress like a paratrooper. A parka and hiking shoes would not have seemed out of line for a passenger in that area. His attire tells me that he never anticipated exiting where he actually did. I'd bet he was familiar with the general area too and had a plan on how to quickly blend back into civilization unnoticed. That would require landing close to civilization.
Feb 1, 2008, 10:21 AM
Post #1612 of 1694 (6285 views)
Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked
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I am beginning to think a no pull may have occured. Consider the circumstances: night, cold, high speed exit, possibly no freefall experience, unstable, unfamiliar gear, and maybe an NB6 packed so tight that a normal pull force wouldn't dislodge the pins from the cones, making him think he was pulling on the wrong piece of hardware and letting go of it.
Look how many skydivers have done a no pull after a cutaway, in daylight with very specific emergency procedures training. Some have even done a no pull without a cutaway. Look at Jan Davis's no pull off El Capitan in Yosemite using unfamilar borrowed gear.
If Cooper were depending on being able to see the ripcord handle he'd have some problems after an unstable high speed night exit. Also, the bag may have flopped up in a way that prevented free access to the ripcord handle.
I remember some of my earliest solo FF jumps in the 60s (no AFF back then)... spinning wildly, no altimeter, trying to get stable. It was very disorienting even with a slow exit in bright daylight. My jumpmaster told me stories (true?) about FF students going in pulling desperately at webbing until impact thinking it was their ripcord handle. He told me if I did that he'd kill me. He thought that was really funny.
If Cooper had a no pull, his body could be hidden by brush for many years, perhaps forever. If he was a total loner who had just moved away from his last place of residence and not yet put down roots, his absence may have gone unnoticed. I want him to have survived, but I am wondering if he did.
Feb 1, 2008, 10:33 AM
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Very astute deduction. I've always wondered why he wore the outfit that he did. I had always thought maybe it was because he enjoyed dressing nice or he thought people would view him in a more sophisticated manner and take him more seriuosly if he was dressed up.
In other words, a guy wearing a flannel jacket, jeans, and boots may not be taken as seriously as a guy wearing a business suit, tie, and over coat.
But you're right... he had to give some thought as to the landing. If he thinks he's going to land in a metropolis, he'd want to look the part. (but if he's going to land in a metropolis, he also assumes no one finds it curious that he just parachuted out of the sky).
Do you think he pondered his selection of shoes? If he did, then do you also think he may have modified them in some way as to give them more chance of staying on upon exit?
There is one minor point of contention...
According to the U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department,
The sunset for Seattle on Nov 24, 1971 was 4:25 and the end of civil twilight was 4:59.
In other words, by 5:00, it's dark. Even with the delays, Cooper assumed a night jump. This might explain his dark clothing... Because he left from Portland, it's somewhat reasonable that he had been in Portland the night before and knew it would be dark at around 5:00.
Conclusion: If Cooper didn't plan to jump in the dark, then he would reasonably know his jump would be a night jump. If he didn't plan around it, then he certainly assumed it.
Feb 1, 2008, 10:39 AM
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I am beginning to think a no pull may have occured.
If you assume this, even if based upon reasonable thinking, you still have to resolve some serious issues.
FBI & NWA originally felt strongly that the jump occured prior to 8:12.
You have to account for this and justify it getting pushed to at least 8:15, and likely more like 8:16 as the plane flies past BTG-VOR.
If you tackle that hurdle, now you have to assume a heading much more eastern than it would have been. In other words, the heading would be a several degrees smaller than what's is assumed.
Let me show you what I mean... the eastern most point the plane was in at 8:12 is point O on Ckret's map (p47). The coordinates of that point are:
Instead of a heading to BTG-VOR, let's put the heading directly to LC6, the closest NW corner of the tributary zone. That point is:
The heading between each of these points is 162.944 deg verses 171.075 deg if he aimed for half a mile east of BTG-VOR and 174.538 deg if he headed directly for BTG-VOR.
You can see, Captain Scott really has to shave down his turn.
If you tackle that hurdle, you have to account for forward throw by moving the flight path east 2 miles, or add another minute onto the timeline to place the plane squarely upon the target zone (it's an additional 2.8 miles). If you tackle this, now there's really no "brush" for his body to hide in as he's lying on a farm.
1... 2... 3 strikes you're out they used to say.
On what reasonable basis, other than how tough the jump might have been, can we logically conclude a no pull? All evidence that is known points in the other direction.
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Feb 1, 2008, 10:56 AM
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I really admire your careful analysis. I still think the flight path and/or exit point data could be erroneous. I have seen similar things happen in marine disasters, somehow a mistake is made and the assumed location of a distressed vessel is waaay off the mark.
When we would find floating wreckage or identifiable boat debris we'd figure out the upwind/upcurrent vector and go up it hoping to find survivors. There were many times that wreckage was found in places that could not be reconciled with the distressed vessel's last known position or dead reckoned assumed position or reported radar contacts. The obvious conclusion was that the position data was incorrect.
One SOLID piece of location evidence is the found money. The most likely explanantion is that it got there naturally and was not "carried and buried". There are no doubts about where it was found. If it doesnt fit with the assumed flight track then MY inclination is to doubt the accuracy of the flight track or exit point info rather than coming up with an unlikely (but admittedly possible) scenario involving post jump human transport of the found money.
Feb 1, 2008, 11:06 AM
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The most likely explanantion is that it got there naturally and was not "carried and buried".
"Back and to the left. Back and to the left. Back and to the left!"
- Jim Garrison played by Kevin Costner in JFK
I certainly see what you're saying, and I'm not trying to be obstinate... I'm just trying to tell you that there are
hurdles the least of which are the timeline.
For your theory to hold true, the timeline will probably have to get bumped to 8:16 AND Captain Scott has to deviate far off course in the next 9.5 miles. We're not talking about hundreds of square miles out in the ocean, we're talking about a flight vector and a few minutes for him to take a heading that's way off course.
We have to violate a lot of rules just to support the "likely" scenario that the money floats down streams, floats into LaCamas lake, floats down the Columbia river and does this in a way consistent with the money found in 1980 (having been deposited within the last year).
As tough as the jump may be, the only "evidence" we have of a no pull or even worse, lost money in mid-air is purely conjecture based on opinion and what if's regarding all reliable sources of information.
You then have to say no one found his body or saw the money even after all these things.
I'm no scientist or statistician, but I'd venture to say one hypothesis carries a boatload more weight than the other.
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Feb 1, 2008, 11:19 AM
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One addtional thing, and this has been pointed out by others well before me.
1. No "missing" persons has ever been known to resemble or fit the Cooper crime.
2. No real, actual evidence has ever surfaced pointing to his demise. (as we've already discussed, the money actually points to his survival).
In the absence of evidence and in the face of strong evidence pointing in the opposite direction, would you
believe he died upon impact?
If this were a case you had to prosecute (he lived or died) which side would you seriously want to argue? If your career depended on winning, which way would you want to argue?
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Feb 1, 2008, 11:53 AM
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1. No "missing" persons has ever been known to resemble or fit the Cooper crime.
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So...either he made it, or he's Canadian.
Feb 1, 2008, 12:15 PM
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I like that!
Okay, here's something we haven't discussed too much.
We know he has the money bag strapped around his waist. We don't know if he did something to keep it from dragging, but that's not really the focus of my next set of questions...
He obviously gets rid of the dummy reserve. How? We can only speculate. He obviously gets rid of the briefcase.
My question is, what does he do with the dummy? We talked about him trying to guage the winds by throwing it... is it possible he's dumb enough to strap this thing to his chest? He would need to jerry rig it.
Next question: The reason I asked the prior question is, why would he strap the chest chute... it would not be harnessed on and it does not work. Even if he thinks it works, why wear it if it's not harnessed on?
Next question: He pulled apart the reserve that
left behind. Presumably to store the money, and then when he figured this would not work, he used the cords to create a make-shift belt to attach the money.
In other words, his plan was to wear the front pack, but not to use it as a chute.
Next question: what does he do with the contents in the briefcase? The reason I ask is because he may want some of the contents... if he puts them in reserve canister, he would have taken the chute he already pulled apart. We already know that he's willing to jump without a reserve (he was going to wear the other one to put money into)...
Next question: We have heard that the exit winds would create unbelievable force that could rip the money bag... this argument is based upon how people cannot hold hands and jump at this speed without flying apart at exit.
There's a problem with this line of thought... first, a 22 pound bag of money attached with the cords from a chute is not the same as a 160-200 pound person attached by hand grip.
The two are totally different.
I bring this up to ask my final question: Does Cooper attempt to jump with his briefcase?
That's a very big question... and perhaps we want to start somewhere else, such as, would he have done anything to attach it to himself? Even if he didn't attach it, a 3 pound briefcase with a handle on it would allow Cooper to maintain a solid grip... not two hands gripping where there's not enough force or friction to hold two heavy bodies together, but an actual handle.
If any of you go into a gym and grab a dumbell, I'm sure even the weakest 45 year old among us could hold a 100 pound dumbell...
Would a briefcase containing a battery and some dynamite (or roadflares) produce
more than
100 pounds of force upon exit?
I'm asking if the winds + the weight of the case are enough to yank the case out of his grip...
Maybe the best way to answer this question would be to determine an approximate weight of the case and it's correspondending force upon exit and then determine if it's humanly feasible for Cooper to keep a grip on it.
I'd love for us to have a discussion on this.
For your efforts, I will leave you with this:
Let's assume for a moment that Cooper's bomb was truly dynamite and that it could ignite by attaching two wires the way that Cooper explained... do you honestly think Cooper would either
A. Throw this off the aft stairs as he makes his way down, or
B. Attempt to hold it as he jumps
In the case of A, sudden motion could bring two wires together or cause some type of destablization... it could explode at the rear of the craft endangering himself and the plane, and the same would go for case B.
Conclusion: The Cooper bomb was not a viable explosive. It likely contained no explosives whatsoever and was likely the way one suspect had mumbled, "road flares".
I'd love to see more of Tina's statement of what she saw to help determine the fate of these objects.
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Feb 1, 2008, 12:37 PM
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One addtional thing, and this has been pointed out by others well before me.
1. No "missing" persons has ever been known to resemble or fit the Cooper crime.
2. No real, actual evidence has ever surfaced pointing to his demise. (as we've already discussed, the money actually points to his survival).
In the absence of evidence and in the face of strong evidence pointing in the opposite direction, would you
believe he died upon impact?
If this were a case you had to prosecute (he lived or died) which side would you seriously want to argue? If your career depended on winning, which way would you want to argue?
There isnt enough evidence to prove either survival or death. If someone were being prosecuted for homicide for throwing Cooper out of the plane, you'd have a tough time proving that a death had occured much less who the alleged victim was. A motion to dismiss would likely be granted. With identity and death so uncertain, I dont think you could get the case to a jury if the accused had a good lawyer.
I used to think that the fact that nobody likely to have been Cooper turned up missing argued strongly for his survival. I no longer think so. An alienated loner who moves from his last place of residence without telling anybody where he is going could die and who would know? If he were essentially friendless, not close to any relatives, not collecting Social Security and were unemployed, how would his death become noticed?
I think the carry and bury explanation or any human transport explanation for the found money seems very unlikely, but still possible. Natural transport seems the most likely explanation to me, but yes, it is just a hunch.
The plane track is second hand position info and second hand position info can be wrong, even in extremely important situations. I'd be more aligned with you if we saw actual radar plots, overlayed on a map with confirmed radar to map registration, not people's conclusions about radar plots. As crazy as it sounds I think the 727 plot could easily be off by a couple of miles or more and the exit time be off by quite a few minutes. Mistakes happen, wrong assumptions are made, etc etc.
I do not think the found money points to Cooper's survival. It is just as consistent with his death the way I look at it.
I do agree that if he pulled he lived, but did he pull? I can think of a very likely no pull scenario given all the factors present that night. Although I jumped from a DC 9 jet, the highest speed exit I ever did was from a C 130. The Herc throttles were firewalled when we exited. The purpose of the high speed jump was to test some black boxes strapped to me and some others containing pressure sensing electronics. I was asked to make an unstable exit, so that was my excuse, but I think I would have been unstable no matter what my plan was. It was crazy, like being in a high speed washing machine. Had I not been a skydiver and known that I would be slowing down, it would have been a panicky situation. If Cooper had only done military static line jumps then a high speed exit at night might totally disorient and panic him.
I do a lot of hiking and in my area, Vultures find animal carcasses without fail once they start rotting. There must have been some savvy locals who knew that and were on the lookout after the jump made the news. What if someone found Cooper's body with a substantial amount of cash? What then? The guy is already dead so you don't have to harm anyone, the money is in small bills, you have some debts...
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Feb 1, 2008, 1:09 PM
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I can agree with you on one point...
There is no "proof" of his death or survival.
And by proof I actually mean:
Suppose a bill actually would have shown up. People would say he lived, when actually you only have proof that *someone* spent at least one bill.
That's about the same level of proof that the found money provides.
If you think the flight path was off by up to several miles, the timeline way miscalculated, and the money managed to find its way into LaCamas given all there is to the contrary, then certainly you're entitled to your opinion and who am I to tell you that you're wrong?
Everyone else can make up their own mind:
1. The flight path is known up to 8:12 based on USAF radar.
2. The heading between 8:12 & 8:16 would have to be way off
3. The known timeline would have to get pushed back several minutes
4. The plane would have to fly into PDX airspace unless a "huge" compensating turn was made to avoid it, and by huge I mean "oh sh*t Bill! You're way off course, divert starbord now, divert starbord now!"... "flight control, this is Captain Scott NWA 305, everything is okay and we are now on an appropriate path. My apologies, I had nodded off there for a moment"
5. The bag has to rip from Cooper's body either before or after landing
6. The bag must remain intact during most or all of its 7 year journey
7. No one can ever find Cooper's body or the money, even though we've now moved the landing area from the forest to the pasture.
Personally, I think Oswald did it... but I'm obviously in the minority here.
That's okay, all opinions welcomed.
Feb 1, 2008, 1:17 PM
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"The flight path is known up to 8:12 based on USAF radar."
Why only up to 8:12? Surely it was on someone's radar after that. Am I misunderstanding your post?
Feb 1, 2008, 1:24 PM
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The map that Ckret posted on page 47 was based upon radar information provided by the USAF. The map is good through 8:12.
From what Ckret has said, he does not have anything in his "old" FBI file that shows the flight path (based upon) USAF information after 8:12. All he has is a map with a dark line drawn in and some times jotted down on it. I don't think he knows how the flight path on this particular map was derived.
It could have been assumed, or it could have been more than assumed... either way, it's not as accurate as the Jan 72 landing zone map based on USAF radar & analysis by expert skydivers.
Also, this map that Ckret has mentioned (and has been photographed by the Seattle PI) does not show a wild diversion off course.
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Feb 1, 2008, 1:27 PM
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If he makes his way to any road, he might be able to average a rate of foot speed of 1 mph for 9 hours or a total distance of 9 miles.
Average hiking speed for people is around 2 to 3 mph at a regular walking gait, on smooth ground, like a road. Add hills, gullies, rough terrain etc., and it goes down real quick. But even on an ideal surface, you can't calculate distance with just speed x time. That's because human leg muscles tire, feet blister, and therefore 10 miles is quite a stretch for the regular person of normal conditioning. 20 miles of hiking in a day is extreme, regardless of the hours available in which to do it. So regardless of the time, a hiker is going to poop out around 10-15 miles and need a long rest.
Cooper would have been highly motivated to walk as long as necessary, but given 9 hours to escape and reach safety before daylight, in that terrain, I would expect he could only cover about 10-15 miles tops. Then if not to safety yet, he would likely have needed to hide-out somewhere during daylight hours, rest up, and continue his journey the following night. Maybe that shack that Joe mentions?...
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Feb 1, 2008, 1:30 PM
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Yes, a
Victor Airway is defined as being 8 nautical miles (nm) wide
. But, the interpretation of this fact being made on this board is incorrect.
When flying VFR (Visual Flight Rules) and
on a flight plan and
being followed on Flight Following You need to be aware of the Victor Airways when you are 4 nm from the centerline. You need to visually identify the traffic (its like crossing a highway). Remember not all aircraft are on a flight plan and being followed by ATC (in every condition). A VFR can go about anywhere (except for airspace restrictions).
A commercial pilot (or more properly a commercial flight) is always on an IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) flight plan. He/she has no freedom (except for safety of the flight) to vary from the flight plan (also, dont confuse a flight plan with a clearance). Once the plan was filed to use V-23 at 10,000 feet (which is not anything like a commercial pilot would normally do), then every navigation action is done using instruments. Remember this was before GPS.
The pilot would have gotten a clearance that took him southwest (my guess is to the MCKEN Intersection (some use the term Fix instead of intersection)). He would be flying the 178.00 radial off of the SEA VOR DME. When he was 35.62 nm out, he would turn toward the ONALS Fix. This is a 0 degree turn (in other words he would stay on the SEA VOR DME 178 degree radial).
He would know he was at the ONALS Fix when he was 50.15 nm away from the SEA VOR (still on the 178 degree radial) or where the 135 degree radial from the OLM VOR crossed the 178 degree radial from the SEA VOR. From the ONALS Fix he would continue to the MAYLAY Fix.
He would then continue on the 178 degree heading and would now dial in the 329.19 degree radial from the BTG VOR and note when he was on the 150.93 degree radial and 33.46 nm from the OLM VOR and then turn to the 329.16 degree and 41.12 nm from the BTG VOR. And so on ..
I may have missed something here, but the point Im trying to make is
at no time is the pilot wandering harem-skarem across the eight mile width of the Victor Airway
. Instead he is on a very precise path
along the centerline of V-23
Another issue that everyone seems to have missed (or at least no one has commented about), is a puzzling statement in the NWA logs that Ckret provided us. The 7:57 PM or 8:01 PM transmission (Im not sure of the logging format, so Ill assume 8:01) My interpretation of what it says is:
Flight Operations: What is your altitude?
Flt 305: Now at
fifteen thousand
, indicated airspeed is 160knts, Fuel Flow 4000 lbs/min (???I guess??), flaps at 15 degrees, gear down condition. Will
at Ten Thousand until he has left.
Flt Operations: Received message.
The first altitude reported is 15,000 feet, (not out of 15,0000 which would indicate he was decending). If a guy who says he has a bomb on an aircraft says: Dont exceed 10,000 feet; then by God you dont exceed 10,000 feet. It might explode at a higher altitude (pressure switch). The log goes on to say he will
remain at 10,000 ft,
so does that mean the 15,000 feet parameter was a typo? If so,
how much else is in error?
Also, when reporting the flight parameters (flaps, wheels, etc.) there is
no mention of the aft stairs
. You know the aft stairs open, will change the flight characteristics. So, if it wasnt reported, does that mean, the aft door was still closed? At 15,000 feet with the door open (unpressurized) the pilots would need to be on oxygen (for any reasonable length of time).
The closest thing to facts we have in this case, come from Ckret (at least thats my belief). So, when the material he supplies is
full of contradictions
, then we might as well be speculating.
Ckret, once again, can we get more of the RTTY log? It would be helpful in understanding if they were making mistakes due to stress or whatever? If there is a reason you cant supply them, just say so, and Ill move on to something else.
So, find facts, speculate, or speculate about the facts we find, its all the same.
Anyway those are my thoughts today.
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Clifford The Big Red Dog "Birdy Makes Three/Home Is Where The Fun Is" And Birdy Makes Three - When Emily finds a baby bird, she decides to take care of it until it learns to fly. Clifford learns that even when she's busy with other things Emily never stops loving him. Home Is Where the Fun Is - First, Emily feels jealous that Jetta gets to go and see the amazing Titanic Tower in the exciting big city. D
7:00 am
Arthur "Home Sweet Home/Do You Believe In Magic" Home Sweet Home - Buster heads off to summer camp reluctantly, worried that he won't know anyone. But equipped with a few stories of summer camp battles and triumphs from his older and wiser friend Fritz (who runs the community garden), Buster realizes it's easy to make new friends after all. Do You Believe in Magic? - Arthur feels jealous when Buster's magic tricks outshine his own. D
7:30 am
Martha Speaks "The Opera Contest/Maestro Martha" The Opera Contest - An opera contest! Sounds boring! But before you know it, the kids have cooked up their own ideas of what an opera should be. Vocabulary: (E) opera, soprano, bass, quartet, accomplish (I) scene, rhyme, costume, stage, prop(s). Maestro Martha - Bad guys Pablum and Weaselgraft have a plan to turn a charity concert into a heist by using the power of music. D
8:00 am
Curious George "Curious George and the Invisible Sound/Curious George, A Peeling Monkey" Curious George and the Invisible Sound - While trying to record different animal sounds in the country, George discovers some amazing things about the dynamics of sound: the closer he gets, the louder the sound; the further away he is, the quieter the sound. Then he discovers one he's never heard before. He follows the direction of the sound throughout the house until he finds. D
8:30 am
Cat in the Hat Knows A Lot About That! "Jumping on the Moon/Sneezy Riders" Jumping on the Moon - Nick and Sally are trying to jump high enough to touch the moon, but "what goes up must come down" says the Cat. That's gravity! And to show them just what gravity is, that means a trip to the moon! That's where they meet Astronaut Audrey who takes them for a space walk to learn all about gravity. Sneezy Riders - Sally and Nick are playing hide and seek, but Nick keeps sneezing! How can they stop it from happening? Good thing Cat's friend Cluey Looey will be able to help them! At Muddyfeet Waterhole they discover that Louie is having the same problem! Nothing a trip inside Louie's nose can't solve! Inside a super shrunken Thingamajigger, Nick, Sally and Cat discover what causes sneezing and what they can do to avoid it from happening!. D
9:00 am
Super Why! "The Ugly Duckling" Princess Pea's twirls are falling flat, and her dance recital is fast approaching! The Super Readers soar into the story of the Ugly Duckling, who's having just as much trouble trying to swim! With a little hard work, the Ugly Duckling hits his stride, and Princess Pea learns that practice makes perfect!G
9:30 am
Dinosaur Train "A Heck of a Neck/Gilbert Visits The Nest" The Pteranodon kids have a Nature Trackers adventure when they meet Denise Diplodocus, a super-long, super big dinosaur. At first the kids mistake Denise's neck for a snake, and tail as a bridge. Later, Denise amazes the kids, telling them how hard it is for her to raise up her long, heavy neck. D
10:00 am
Sesame Street "The Good Sport" Elmo and Abby are playing a game of hot potato together. Elmo keeps losing the game and starts to feel frustrated. He thinks that something must be wrong with the potato, and tries using another one, but he still loses. D
11:00 am
Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood "Daniel's Sleepover/Backyard Camping" Daniel's Sleepover - Daniel and his parents go to Prince Wednesday's castle for a family sleepover. When Daniel and Prince Wednesday go through their bedtime routines together, Daniel realizes how different it is sleeping at Prince Wednesday's castle. As bedtime nears, Daniel and Prince Wednesday notice some things that are just a little bit scary. D
11:30 am
Sid The Science Kid "Reused Robot!" Sid's toy robot is broken, so he wants to throw it "away." Sid's Mom tells him there is no such thing as "away," and when we put something in the trash, we are actually creating waste. Sid and his friends explore the idea that everything we throw away goes somewhere. D
12:00 pm
WordWorld "Bed Bugs/Snug As A Bug" Bed Bugs - When the bugs accidentally break Frog's brand new bed, they scramble to put it back together and make things right. Just one problem. They can't tell the letters 'b' and 'd' apart! Can they figure out which letter is which - and rebuild Frog's bed - before Frog returns home? Snug as a Bug - Frog helps insomniac Bug figure out the end of the rhyme "snug as a bug in a . D
12:30 pm
Caillou "Caillou Gets Active" What's Ringette?: Caillou and Leo want to play hockey and are disappointed when they arrive at the rink to find Sarah and Clementine playing "ringette". Caillou has never heard of ringette before, and he doesn't want to play the game.until he learns that Mommy used to play! She teaches him a few moves, and when Caillou and Leo realize it's a lot like hockey, they're eager to join the girls' next game. D
1:00 pm
Barney & Friends "Big As Barney and No, No, No!" Big as Barney: When Ryan notices how much everyone loves Barney, he tries to be just like him; but he has a hard time filling Barney's shoes. Then Ryan learns that he is special when he's just being himself! Educational theme: Being happy with who you are. Music curriculum: Exploring rhythm while singing. D
1:30 pm
Thomas & Friends "Friends and Family" It's the day of the Spring Party at the Duke and Duchess of Boxford's summer house. Cranky teases Thomas that he can only carry light loads. Thomas is outraged by this and determines to prove to Cranky that he is not "Tiny Thomas". D
2:00 pm
Curious George "Curious George and the Invisible Sound/Curious George, A Peeling Monkey" Curious George and the Invisible Sound - While trying to record different animal sounds in the country, George discovers some amazing things about the dynamics of sound: the closer he gets, the louder the sound; the further away he is, the quieter the sound. Then he discovers one he's never heard before. He follows the direction of the sound throughout the house until he finds. D
2:30 pm
Martha Speaks "The Opera Contest/Maestro Martha" The Opera Contest - An opera contest! Sounds boring! But before you know it, the kids have cooked up their own ideas of what an opera should be. Vocabulary: (E) opera, soprano, bass, quartet, accomplish (I) scene, rhyme, costume, stage, prop(s). Maestro Martha - Bad guys Pablum and Weaselgraft have a plan to turn a charity concert into a heist by using the power of music. D
3:00 pm
The Electric Company "Skills" Keith is invited to join the Electric Company, but before he can take the oath, Francine swoops in and steals his special skill. Can the Electric Company help him get it back, or will Keith be powerless forever?. D
3:30 pm
WordGirl "Day at the Museum/Best Fan Club Meeting Ever" DAY AT THE MUSEUM - Scoops takes Becky, Bob, and Violet to the museum to find inspiration for his news story for The Big City Times. When they hear a rumor about a haunted treasure, the team goes on a search - with The Butcher right behind! Can Scoops, Becky, Bob, and Violet find the treasure, evade The Butcher, and do it all in time for Scoops to keep his deadline? Vocabulary Words: Rumor, Deadline. BEST FAN CLUB MEETING EVER - TJ plans a meeting to divulge a secret about WordGirl to International WordGirl Fan Club members. D
4:00 pm
Wild Kratts "Bass Class" Martin and Chris are in the middle of a friendly competition to find Small-mouth and Large-mouth Bass when they meet Wild Kratts Kid, Gavin, who is fishing. Before they can join him, Zach Varmitech arrives and challenges them to a fishing contest. The Wild Kratts team must use their knowledge of bass biology to win the tournament fair and square. D
4:30 pm
Cyberchase "A Whale of a Tale" With special guest star Al Roker. A trip to R-Fair City nearly turns into a monster mash when Hacker abducts Glowla, a beautiful cyberlady who generates pure energy. Hacker is able to snatch Glowla by reprogramming her trick whale, Snout. D
5:00 pm
Fetch! With Ruff Ruffman "Mission Improbable" Ruff sends the FETCHers to Washington D.C. for training to become secret agents. D
5:30 pm
Nightly Business Report Tonight on Nightly Business Report, a blowout retail sales number has some thinking the consumer is back, but numbers can be deceiving. NBR will tell you where shoppers are spending and where they're not. And, President Obama meets with CEOs about the growing threat of cyberattacks, and why it's important to you. D
5:54 pm
NewsHour Promo NULL
6:00 pm
PBS NewsHour NULL
7:00 pm
Nature "Animal Odd Couples" Nature investigates why some animals form special cross-species bonds and explores what these relationships suggest about the nature of animal emotions. Some of the relationships the film documents include: a goat guiding a blind horse; a doe visiting her Great Dane surrogate mother; and a juvenile gibbon choosing to live with a family of capuchins.G
8:30 pm
Ed Sullivan's Top Performers 1966-1969 (My Music) From the U.S. television debut of the Beatles in 1964 to The Doors' infamous one-time-only appearance, "The Ed Sullivan Show" brought the greatest musical acts in the world into America's living rooms on Sunday nights. This new special features both The Beatles and The Doors as well as memorable performances from other superstars of the '60s pop-rock era, including The Mamas & The Papas, The Rolling Stones, Johnny Rivers, The Beach Boys, Tom Jones, and Creedence Clearwater Revival.G
10:30 pm
Bee Gees One Night Only This 1997 concert at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada, is one of the very few Bee Gees performances filmed. The music special showcases many of the group's disco and pop hits. The Gibb brothers, who comprised the Bee Gees, sang three-part harmony and wrote their own hit songs. Two of the three siblings have died - Maurice in 2004 and Robin in 2012. Barry continues to perform as a solo act.G


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New Curler BonspielSunday, March 8, 2015
An end-of-season mixed/open "Hat-spiel" in which teams comprised of more experienced curlers are matched with newer curlers by drawing names out of a hat. Format is win-loss only: if your game is not going well you can concede and move on to snacks and drinks. This event is a great way for newer curlers to get acquainted with more experienced members of the club in a fun event.