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Like many girls, when I was young I loved the Little House books. I was enamored with the pioneer life and wished I could be Laura. I used to tell my mom that I was born in the wrong time. I should have been a pioneer! I'm pretty sure this is what led us to getting chickens. Needless to say, I was very excited to share these books with my own children.
Last summer, Henry and I started reading Little House in the Big Woods out loud because he was curious about maple sugar and I remembered that there was a great description of maple sugar being made in that book. What I had forgotten, however was all the other great things that the Ingalls family did.
For example, the book begins with the harvest and putting things away for the winter. In the first chapter Laura describes how the family smoked venison in a hollow tree. It was Laura's job to run and fill the smoker with green wood chips. The method of smoking described is pretty similar to one that Rick and I have worked towards doing ourselves in our yard using an old oak barrel.
Next the family butchers a pig and Ma carefully makes the sausage balls and head cheese while Pa smokes the hams and the children roast the pig tail on a stick. The girls play in the attic on the pumpkins among all their vegetables that are stored for the winter. Pa goes on to hunt and make bullets (which Henry loved reading about) and Ma has her house keeping (every day with its own proper work) to keep the girls busy through the winter.
The more we read, the more I realized I have made my life very Little House. I wonder, just how many other people out there are like us? So I made this quiz…
The Modern Pioneer Quiz
How Little House is Your Life?
1. Has anyone in your house ever used an axe to cut a Hubbard squash or frozen meat?
a. What is a Hubbard squash?
b. No, but we do have winter squash stored in the attic.
c. Yes, it's the easiest way.
2. Have you used a pig's bladder as a balloon or roasted a pig tail on a stick?
a. Eew!
b. No, but I would if given the chance.
c. Yes! Bladders make the best toys.
3. Do you butcher your own meat?
a. No, but my grocery store has a butcher.
b. Yes, we even have our own smoker.
c. Yes, we butcher every fall after killing the meat we hunted and raised ourselves. Then we smoke it in a hallow log.
4. Do you store food for the winter?
a. Sure do, my freezer is packed with deals from Costco.
b. Yes, I can and pickle and use my dehydrator.
c. Yep, I hang my smoked hams next to the hard cheeses and salt pork.
5. Have you made maple sugar candies in the snow?
a. What?! You can make candy in the snow?
b. Yes, and the kids loved it.
c. Yes. We tapped the trees ourselves, boiled the sap, and afterwards we had the whole family over for a dance to celebrate.
6. Have you ever harvested honey?
a. No, but we get honey from a local farm.
b. Yes, our beehive is so interesting.
c. Yes, from wild bees living in a hollow tree.
7. Do you churn your own butter?
a. I think we did that in school once.
b. Yes, once in a while it's a fun thing to do.
c. All the time; in the winter we cook carrot sin milk to color it yellow.
8. Has your neighbor ever delivered gifts on behalf of Santa Claus or loaned you some nails?
a. Neighbor? Oh, we don't really see our neighbors.
b. No, but he's helped me with some DIY projects.
c. Yes, he's like family now.
Add up the number of A's, B's and C's you answered. Results are not scientific. So, just how Pioneer are YOU?
Mostly A's: More modern than pioneer, you might try a little DIY if you have the right tools, but you are more likely to hire someone. Though you enjoy cooking at home, those foodie extremists will have to pry your microwave from your cold, dead fingers. You're not sure what head cheese is and you don't even want to think about a pig bladder. Baking bread is for artisans, you don't really have time for that. You'll support the local bakery and farmer's market instead. We didn't spend the last 100 years making advances so you could haul water from the creek.
Mostly B's: A modern pioneer and proud! You use today's technology to do yesterday's work. Smoking, preserving, sewing and hunting are not lost skills thanks to the likes of you. When you read about the Ingalls family, you are inspired to experiment in your own life. But you don't go overboard either. You're not about to give up indoor plumbing in favor of a weekly bath on Saturday, whether you need it or not. Keep blazing the trail and those pioneer skills will be around for future generations too.
Mostly C's: Grab your fiddle and don your bonnet! The pioneer spirits of Pa, Ma, Mary and Laure run strong through your veins! The Little House books are not historical fiction, they are a guide! Your friends are probably fascinated by your lifestyle, but you'd never know it, since you don't have the internet. In fact, you can't even read this quiz. You are too busy weaving straw hats, greasing bear traps and making bullets. You really were born in the wrong century. Good for you for making yourself a pioneer life in these modern times.

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My message to the 112th Congress: Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Will the 113th Congress be any better?
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First, Harry Reid must push hard to reform the filibuster. Not abolish it; just rein it in a bit, to make it a rare tool for minority expression rather than the routine tool of partisan obstruction it has become.
Second, the House Tea Party Caucus must be marginalized, as it was in the fiscal cliff deal, by House Speaker John Boehner abandoning the "Hastert rule," which says nothing can come to the floor for a vote unless a majority of the majority approves it. Only by cutting off the tail that has been wagging the House GOP dog these last two years can Boehner create a centrist governing coalition — made up of representatives who are actually interested in governing instead of just posturing.
Boehner still must be re-elected Speaker, and there will be some resistance there (which Rob has been encouraging). But the Republican Party is in crisis, especially in the House. As ex-GOP congressman Joe Scarborough said this morning, House Republicans are laying the groundwork for Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker two years from now.
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Darcie Vargas, a 16- year-old from Sweetwater High, spoke about her time in the Hermanitas Program of MANA de San Diego, a women's organization providing guidance, skills and support to young girls and women to help them succeed.
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Jo Dee Jacob, CEO of the San Diego Girls Scouts, spoke of young women and their importance in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering and Math.
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Democratic Leader Pelosi held up a picture of President John F. Kennedy surrounded by the women who helped pass the Equal Pay Act 50 years ago. She told the story of Congresswoman Patsy Mink—the first woman of color elected to Congress—and her personal and professional struggles in getting this legislation passed.
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Congresswomen Nancy Pelosi and Susan Davis celebrate the accomplishments of women on the 50th anniversary of the Equal Pay Act. Pictured L-R top row: Pelosi, Davis, Moderator Dr. Mary Walshok (UC-San Diego). Bottom row L-R: Student Darcie Vargas, Celina Caprio (director MANA de San Diego Hermanitas Program), Jo Dee Jacob (CEO Girl Scouts San Diego) and Tina Williams (executive director South Bay Family YMCA).


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Sunday, November 01, 2009
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Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini is the full name for the now dead terrorist known to the world as Yasser Arafat. My friend, Mosab Yousef, has made clear to me the atrocities performed by the Palestinian Liberation Organization and other terrorist organizations in the Middle East, particularly the physical abuse and mistreatment of Arab women. Without a doubt, Mrs. Patterson believes the mistreatment of women by Yassar Arafat and the PLO to be as evil as we all believe it to be. That's not the issue. Mrs. Patterson has established herself at the head of a growing movement in the Southern Baptist Convention which encourages everyone to adhere to quiverfull theology, patriarchal leadership and family integrated worship. In this environment, children and women are seen and instructed, but not to be heard. Men relate to men, and women to women, with the woman having no authority over, nor right to teach those of the opposite sex spiritual truth. The head (the man) votes for the family, and the girls serve the father. For those who have a hard time imagining this movement in churches, just spend a few minutes reading some really powerful writings of women who have escaped this suffocating ideology--here, here and here.
Dorothy Patterson, a self-professed "homemaker" and outspoken advocate of all things patriarchal in the SBC, puzzles me by placing "sharing a midnight buffet with Yasser Arafat in Saddam Hussein's palace" on her biographical sketch. It's not that I think she should not list the banquet or her travels to 75 countries as some of her accomplishments; it's just that the events seem incongruous and incompatible to the image Mrs. Patterson wishes on all other Southern Baptist women--as well as the image she claims for herself through her outspoken ideology. If Mrs. Patterson's life, as she would have everyone believe, is that of the consumate "homemaker," then I would encourage Southern Baptist women everywhere to model Mrs. Patterson's life (as listed on her biographical sketch) and ignore her teachings.
We need more women leaders, more powerful and influential females, more movers and shakers from the female gender, women like Mrs. Patterson, within the SBC. I commend her for her midnight buffet with Yasser Arafat. One of these days I'd like to know what was actually said over the fondu.
But the problem we have in the SBC right now is that people like Mrs. Patterson seem to have the dysfunction of denying what is true in practical reality and espouse an ideology based on a radical, theoretical, impractical--and may I say unbiblical--ideology of male headship.
I simply suggest that if one refuses to live it, then don't teach it.
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80 comments:
- Robert Hutchinson said...
brother patterson said to students in chapel that to have a quiverfull is to have five childeren. but according to his bio on the swbts website he himself only has two childeren.
again, is it do as i say, or do as i do, or seek the Lord and let no man judge you?
- Sun Nov 01, 10:38:00 PM 2009
- Brent Hobbs said...
I imagine Dorothy Patterson doesn't see her world travels as incompatible with her role as homemaker. They only conflict if you assume the worst caricatures of her position.
Robert, it may be that the Pattersons would have loved to have had three more children, but were unable to. It seems to me your comment is pretty out-of-bounds and insensitive.
- Sun Nov 01, 10:51:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
I always wondered what one eats at a midnight buffet? And then when do they get to sleep, after a midnight buffet?
I predict this post will generate more than 200 comments.
Pastor Wade you are on the mark to show the discrepancy between words being advocated and those being practiced. I believe Our Lord Jesus Christ did say something to that effect to the Pharisees ... Actually much more caustic!
To be fair to Mrs.Patterson, the PLO was recognized by the Israeli Govt. in 1993 as a legitimate government entity of the Palestinians.
Most of the women fleeing the Patriarchy, Quiverfull and Male Headship movement are not dreaming. They are facing a reality that most of the SBC Leadership are blind to.
Ultimately it will be the women who will raise up and overthrow this yoke, which is extremely burdensome on them.
- Sun Nov 01, 10:51:00 PM 2009
- Tom Parker said...
Brent Hobbs:
You said--"I imagine Dorothy Patterson doesn't see her world travels as incompatible with her role as homemaker."
Therein lies the problem young man.
- Mon Nov 02, 06:18:00 AM 2009
- Kay said...
"They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them." Matt. 23:4
The events are incompatible with the image Dorothy Patterson claims for herself and espouses for all other Southern Baptist women.
Even if the Pattersons wanted 3 more children, they should not be engaging in vicarious parenting through their followers.
- Mon Nov 02, 06:51:00 AM 2009
- Bill said...
If 5 is what is required, why did the Patterson's not adopt?
That is a great and worthy ministry!! Then they would have been fulfilling the requirements of Psalm 127? (IIRC)
Romans 5:1
- Mon Nov 02, 07:41:00 AM 2009
You wrote: seem to have the dysfunction of denying what is true in practical reality and espouse an ideology based on a radical, theoretical, impractical--and may I say unbiblical--ideology
I just want to comment on the poignancy of this observation. The practical reality for many, many women is that love, approval, and acceptance from parents or husband AND God is contingent upon roles, behavior, performance; is based on works, not grace, and utilizes copious amounts of fear-based control.
And yet, as your remarks reflect, too often this reality is denied. Proponents are careful to artfully dodge : "Where have we said we teach works over grace?" And yet subtle, daily messages slowly suffocate spiritual breath out of tender hearts.
Thank you for recognizing truth and for your willingness to bring awareness to these things ~ for extending a cup of cold water to the least of these.
- Mon Nov 02, 07:51:00 AM 2009
- Strider said...
Adoption is a very cool and noble thing. Can we not talk about that? The point of the post- if I understand at all- is that the Patterson's have somehow 'told the rest of us' what to do and yet do not do that. I think, hope maybe, that most of us think that the kind of life Dorothy Patterson has lived and is living is an exemplary kind of life. The kind of life that we hope most women could live. The problem is that what is being articulated is not that kind of life. So, two things:
One: Since many of us don't like being told by someone else what kind of life we should be living let us NOT in turn talk about what kind of life the Patterson's should be living.
Two: Since there is an obvious disconnect between what many SB's do and say concerning the role of women maybe we could have a comment stream dedicated to formulating ideas that put our ideal of women's roles in line with our theology of women's roles.
But then this comment would be telling you what to do which is what I said that we didn't like very much. We SB' are a difficult bunch.
- Mon Nov 02, 07:55:00 AM 2009
- Strider said...
I just read Quivering Daughters last comment. Oooooh, I wish I had said that!
- Mon Nov 02, 07:57:00 AM 2009
- Unknown said...
"Dr. (Dorothy) Patterson has traveled to more than 75 countries; she met with Pope John Paul in his private apartment in the Vatican; she served as Chair for President Ronald Reagan's Presidential Bible Committee and was received in the Oval Office; she has had coffee with former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in his Knesset office; she's been the guest of Yaser Arafat at a midnight banquet in Saddam Hussein's palace guest house in Baghdad."
I would like to know who paid for all this world travel? This kind of "Living Large" by a select few leaders of the CR is exactly why the CR has all but lost it credibility with many younger Southern Baptist.
I am so tempted to say more…… but I need to just step back on this one and take a deep breath.
Grace Always,
- Mon Nov 02, 08:31:00 AM 2009
- Sonja Andrews said...
@Brent ... a proper women homemaker (in the SBC patriarchial scheme of things) would not be advertising a meeting between herself and a world leader ... because women meet/speak with women; they do not engage with men. At. All.
She is engaging in what is generally known as cognitive dissonance in the rest of the world. This is when the ideas that you espouse are not what you live.
- Mon Nov 02, 08:42:00 AM 2009
- Tim Marsh said...
Greg Alford,
Pastor Wade,
I cannot believe that some are actually practicing this "Dugger" lifestyle as practical theology. I aplaud those who desire to live a lifestyle as they understand in scripture, but I cannot for the life of me find quiverfull families, family worship, and patriarchy supported in the New Testament.
And, though I believe the Bible to be God's Word, as a Christian our reading of the Old Testament is informed by the New Testament, particularly Jesus. I would love to see the theological arguments, the manipulation of scripture, particularly the prooftexting to demonstrate these positions.
I understand the point of your article. However, I cannot for the life of me understand how either lifestyle, the one Patterson leads, or the one she teaches, is compatible with Christ-following.
- Mon Nov 02, 08:46:00 AM 2009
- Bill said...
Read about the Proverbs Woman (Chapter 31). She was involved in quite a bit. Real Estate and Business transactions as well; for the New Testament, start with Lydia.
I am not sure where the lines are Biblically, but some have drawn very distinct lines which I personally am not sure exist.
What about Debra in the OT? Was she a "Godly" woman?
I do not believe that there is anyone on here who would not want to encourage Godliness
There are several questions which remain unanswered
- Mon Nov 02, 09:02:00 AM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
Other than family, there is only one blog for which I have signed on for the automatic feeds when a new post is written.
Quivering Daughters
- Mon Nov 02, 10:27:00 AM 2009
- Debbie Kaufman said...
Since I can't seem to link today, if you scroll down to the bottom of Quivering daughters and click on Daughters of Patriarchy, Spiritual abuse There is an excellent article I just finished reading.
- Mon Nov 02, 11:50:00 AM 2009
- Debbie Kaufman said...
Strider: I can't help but respond to your comment. The Pattersons are teaching quiverful and patriarchy(hierarchy) in their college. I understand that Paige Patterson just implemented this into his hiring practices as well. This article highlights that one thing is being promoted even to the point of how they hire, they are grooming other ministers to go out and preach this, yet the appearances differ from their teaching. Thus a post is quite appropriate I think.
- Mon Nov 02, 11:52:00 AM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Helping Debbie with a link:
Quivering Daughters > The Daughters of Patriarchy: Spiritual Abuse.
- Mon Nov 02, 12:04:00 PM 2009
- Pastor Bob Farmer said...
What I want to know is how somebody living on a College President's salary can go on all these African safaris and send his wife all over the world...their princely lifestyle seems to suggest something different than a humble man and women of God.
I see Greg posted a similar thread before I finished my comment. I have the same concerns and had to delete some of my post for fear of recrimination. But a phrase comes to mind..."follow the money".
- Mon Nov 02, 12:26:00 PM 2009
- Joe Blackmon said...
I understand that Paige Patterson just implemented this into his hiring practices as well.
And, of course, you can prove that, right?
- Mon Nov 02, 12:30:00 PM 2009
- Bill said...
Don't worry about the money!! It's all good!! Trust the Leadership, they are there appointed by God!!
Seriously, I have a question for Dorothy P, and it goes something like this:
"Dorothy, what about the Gospel did you share with Yasser during this meal?" "He is/was lost and without Christ, correct?"
Is that not a logical question to ask?
- Mon Nov 02, 12:37:00 PM 2009
- Bill said...
Another question "Dorothy, when did these banquets happen (Time wise)? Were they before the 1st Gulf War, or After the 1st Gulf War?
Did you also share the Gospel with Saddam Hussein?
- Mon Nov 02, 12:48:00 PM 2009
- Strider said...
Sorry Debbie, I have been saying critical things about Patterson since 1983. I was an anti-CR-methodology guy from way way back. I just thought that since criticizing him since 1983 has done nothing then perhaps we could have a healthy debate on this post. My bad.
Ignore me gang- bash away, it might make you feel better.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:00:00 PM 2009
- DL said...
You obviously think very highly of Quivering Daughters. I've read quite a bit through the site and found some things I agree with and some things I disagree with. I think you know I respect your opinion and am not setting you up in asking: Do you think that if men spoke of their value as men in the language that the women on that sight speak of themselves, that they would be accepted as anything other than arrogant?
IOW, It has been said that a sub-dominant race cannot be racist. Should we believe that the sub-dominant gender can never be sexist?
Again, no trying to stir up a hornet's nest, just trying to see where I might have a vestige of patriarchy dying to get out. :)
- Mon Nov 02, 01:01:00 PM 2009
- Lydia said...
"Dorothy, what about the Gospel did you share with Yasser during this meal?" "He is/was lost and without Christ, correct?"
That could involve teaching a man and that is not allowed. Except for those who think only the pulpit on a stage is sacred.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:16:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
I understand that Paige Patterson just implemented this into his hiring practices as well.
ABP News > Southwestern Seminary adopts statement asserting male headship.
Seminary trustees voted Oct. 21 to add the Danvers Statement on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood to the seminary's policy manual under "Guiding Documents and Statements."
Patterson, who had a hand in drafting the Danvers Statement, said it will serve as a guide in hiring and evaluation processes.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:16:00 PM 2009
- Robert Hutchinson said...
brother hobbs,
why not just say, a quiverfull is however many children the Lord blesses you with?
but you are absolutely correct. to the degree in which you took offense i sincerely apologize.
i'm sure brother patterson was probably just being humorous; he got a good laugh and i laughed too.
yet, if to some degree he does believe what he says, he and sister patterson could have adopted 3 more childeren.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:18:00 PM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
My respect for Quivering Daughters is the cogent and emotional writing born out of a past experience with spiritual abuse.
Were I to read only that with which I agreed 100% my reading list would be short indeed.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:24:00 PM 2009
- Lydia said...
"Do you think that if men spoke of their value as men in the language that the women on that sight speak of themselves, that they would be accepted as anything other than arrogant?
IOW, It has been said that a sub-dominant race cannot be racist. Should we believe that the sub-dominant gender can never be sexist?"
Darby, Have you ever wondered why we have a racial problem after so many years of advancement, affirmative action, MLK street names, special holidays, Institutional apologies, etc?
Such are the lasting effects of the sin of preeminance. Right or wrong. It lasts.
The real problem is that the patriarchy movement is not going away. It is getting louder. And it is becoming entrenched in the SBC. (Russell Moore has called for more Patriarchy and less complimentarian)
Do not think for one moment those women at Quiverfull were involved in Christianity. They were not. They were involved in cults.
They need the REAL Jesus Christ. And then they will have no need to try and give themselves worth.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:30:00 PM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
In looking back at your question and my response, I saw that I did not give you an answer.
You asked;
Do you think that if men spoke of their value as men in the language that the women on that sight speak of themselves, that they would be accepted as anything other than arrogant?
I find that women who have been the subject of intolerable abuse will sometimes say things, do things and write things that come across to those who have not experienced such abuse as possibly angry or arrogant.
I just receive it as an expression of hurt.
The arrogancy that concerns me is the arrogancy of those in power, not those without it.
- Mon Nov 02, 01:35:00 PM 2009
- RM said...
Personally I think this whole post and the majority of the comments to be out of line. I am NOT a fan of Paige and/or his wife but in my book, a President's wife is off limits. I don't care if she does teach, she is no different than pastors' wives out there serving the Lord.
Surely there is something we can find to attack other than another man of God's wife.
- Mon Nov 02, 02:04:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Then what do you think about Dr.Sheri Klouda?
- Mon Nov 02, 02:07:00 PM 2009
- DL said...
Thank you very much Wade for your answer. Makes perfect sense when I look at that way.
Thank you also Lydia for pointing out the difference between comp. and patriarchy, because I think they are two different breeds of animal. Your response was helpful as well.
- Mon Nov 02, 02:12:00 PM 2009
- St. Upid said...
And we twiddle our thumbs in bewilderment over how we've lost a generation.
- Mon Nov 02, 02:13:00 PM 2009
- DL said...
"They need the REAL Jesus Christ. And then they will have no need to try and give themselves worth."
Very well said. I couldn't agree more.
- Mon Nov 02, 02:14:00 PM 2009
- Tom Parker said...
You said--"Surely there is something we can find to attack other than another man of God's wife."
- Mon Nov 02, 02:45:00 PM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
I, too, would like RM to answer your "Huh?" because I feel the same way about his comment. "Huh?"
I have complimented Mrs. Patterson on her travels and leadership.
The only thing denigrated is anyone's attempt, including Mrs. Patterson, to make women do, say, or be something something the advocate herself isn't willing to do, say, or be.
But I wouldn't call it denigration as much as I would a call for consistency.
- Mon Nov 02, 03:59:00 PM 2009
- Amy said...
Curious question -- this story of her dinner with Arafat (as well as the fact that Dr. Patterson's adoptive brother being a Palestinian) has been circulating for quite some time. Why bring it up now? Timing is curious.
- Mon Nov 02, 06:19:00 PM 2009
- Amy said...
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- Mon Nov 02, 08:00:00 PM 2009
- WeldonF said...
Thank God she has not dined with the Moderates!!!
- Mon Nov 02, 08:16:00 PM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
Do you still work at SWBTS or are you a different Amy?
The only unusual circumstances over the timing of this post is the fact I'd never read her bio before yesterday.
It's a subject of little interest to me.
- Mon Nov 02, 08:19:00 PM 2009
I laughed while reading this post because I too needed a Dr. Dorothy fix after reading cheryl's blog. I read further though to Dr. Dorothy's publications and other works and was shocked (Oh My!) to know that I own a copy of "the NKJV Nelson study Bible" where none other than Dr. Dorothy wrote the study noted for James. Now i guess I cannot use this Study Bible anymore. For a woman has exegeted Scripture for me. She has "attempted" to teach me Greek. Did you hear me? A woman would dare to teach me Greek.
PS: I got the Bible free from a book clue and it has sit on the shelf ever since. So not too much of a loss.
- Mon Nov 02, 09:09:00 PM 2009
- Christiane said...
Hi AMY,
If you work at SWBTS and know Mrs. Patterson, please share with her this 'misunderstanding' that her 'bio' contains:
Where it says, "she met with Pope John Paul II in his private apartment in the Vatican", please know that the Pope's apartments in the Vatican contain public rooms and his 'private' quarters. The Raphael Reception Rooms are NOT in the 'private' area of his apartments. They are in the 'public' area of his apartments.
I think the misunderstanding may have been that Mrs. Patterson was perhaps invited to a 'private meeting' with the Pope, but that it was held in a public reception room.
The Raphael Rooms are graced with the magnificent painting of the artist Raphael. She would most surely remember these rooms.
Pax Christi
- Mon Nov 02, 09:14:00 PM 2009
Dr. Dorothy wasn't there to see the Pope, she thought it was the Italian meeting of the Red Hat Ladies Club
- Mon Nov 02, 09:26:00 PM 2009
Oh well, just cut and paste that :)
- Mon Nov 02, 09:27:00 PM 2009
- Christiane said...
I love it. :))))))
- Mon Nov 02, 09:30:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
I understand PP does not want women to teach theology to men.
But he expects women to do well in home making ... as in cooking.
I have news for him. There is theology in everything. As in one sermon Mac Brunson preached on the theology of the eye brow. Well there is lot more theology in cooking than else where. Ok, exept The Bible. So if men are eating the dishes created by women, then are they being taught theology?
My answer is yes. So please ban the female cooks. Hire makes cooks.
BTW is the pastry chef a male? Are all the chefs in pecan manor males? If not, PP and his dinner crowds are being taught theology by women when they eat their dinner.
There is a wonderful movie (I am too lazy to research this), that a lady makes dinners with lot of love and as people eat the dishes, that love is passed on to them.
Theology is not always preached as a sermon from a magic pulpit. It is expressed and taught by God in so many other ways. And yes, daily countless men learn theology from women.
Thank God for that.
- Mon Nov 02, 10:37:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
So much for my satire.
Correction: Hire male cooks. (not Hire makes cooks)
- Mon Nov 02, 10:41:00 PM 2009
- RM said...
Read the posts guys. The vast majority of them are ridiculing Mrs. Patterson. Wonder how you would feel if they were ridiculing your wife?
- Tue Nov 03, 08:15:00 AM 2009
- Rex Ray said...
Thy Peace,
Your correction was not needed for me because sometimes the mind 'over rides' the eyes.
To All,
I wish everyone would add the NAME of who said what when quoting a person.
I never had a photographic mind and at 77 I grow tired of having to re-read the comments looking for the quote.
For instance, Thy Peace beat me to answering Joe Blackmon saying, "And, of course, you can prove that, right?"
In my opinion, Joe was making fun of Debbie Kaufman saying, "I understand that Paige Patterson just implemented this into his hiring practices as well."
Joe, do you ever apologize?
Wade agreed with Tom Parking saying, "Huh?" to RM saying --"Surely there is something we can find to attack other than another man of God's wife."
I didn't know God had a wife. :)
Hey! I just did what some do with Scripture like: "…unless one is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." (John 3:5 saying one must be born a natural birth of water vs. being baptized)
- Tue Nov 03, 08:21:00 AM 2009
- linda said...
I am familiar with the quiverful movement. To be fair, I went to the quivering daughters blogspot.
I will state up front that we did not, do not live the quiverful lifestyle. Our daughter was not raised that way, and our granddaughter is not being raised that way.
But it is misleading to imply that Miss Dorothy has come up with some new diabolical scheme, or that the movement is somehow "Southern Baptist."
It is, plain and simple, just the way things were for so long. It is just the way things still are for many women in the United Pentecostal Church, many holiness sects, most of Latin America, and most of my Hispanic neighbors.
At the quivering daughters blogspot I "learned" that it is somehow abusive for a family to set standards with consequences for disobeying them. I seriously doubt a quiverful dad will deliberately run over his daughter with a jeep and flee the country as recently happened in Arizona in a Muslim family.
Instead, according to the blog, a daughter wearing pants might not be allowed to be in the family photo.
Big deal.
Have we REALLY reached the point where to disagree with a woman's opinion is to be held to be an abuser??
This smells like more anti SBC politics as usual, something we were promised was gone from this blogspot.
- Tue Nov 03, 08:35:00 AM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
It is unnecessary for you to read if the subject causes you such consternation.
Doubly true is the fact that unless you have some other higher motive which is unseen to me, your comments are usually always political--unlike the posts.
- Tue Nov 03, 09:01:00 AM 2009
- Bill said...
If you are referencing me, why is it wrong to ask when these meetings took place? And if she shared the Gospel?
Why is it wrong to ask "What parts of the Gospel did Dorothy share with a Muslim terrorist (Yasser Arafat)? He did need to hear the Gospel--we all need to hear it and hear it and hear it again!
Her husband, Paige often says we must share the Gospel with everyone (AND HE IS VERY CORRECT ON THIS ISSUE). He was even so silly as to go on stage with a 50 caliber machine gun at one point (IIRC) talking about "Holy War" etc. When he would come to MABTS yrs ago, he would always freely tell us that we were not doing enough to reach the world for Christ. I want to know what happened when his wife (and possibly Paige Himself) met with one of the most influential leaders of the 20th century? Is that too much to ask?
Romans 5:1
- Tue Nov 03, 09:13:00 AM 2009
- Tom Parker said...
PP and his wife are not above being held accountable for their actions. I've always found it odd that he loves to hold others accountable but it does not seem to apply to him.
I agree with you what did these two "High ranking officials of the SBC" do with this golden opportunity. Or is it do as I say and not as I do as they so often have done?
Hypocrisy is killing the SBC.
- Tue Nov 03, 09:35:00 AM 2009
- Christiane said...
Some thoughts on Tom's concern:
"Hypocrisy is killing the SBC".
In reading the comments, it is the images that stand out in my mind:
The picture of Paige Patterson
' on stage with a 50 caliber machine gun at one point (IIRC) talking about "Holy War" etc.'
The picture of his wife meeting with Pope John Paul II in the Vatican.
And then comes the picture
into my mind of a tiny woman who sacrificed her own well-being for those that she loved in China, and died of the effects of starvation as a result.
Only one of these images speaks to me of the strength of the Southern Baptist people.
And it has nothing to do with anger, or 'fighting', or standing among those of prominence in the world.
The hypocrisy of some cannot wipe out the awesome testament to the love of Christ of many, many Southern Baptist missionaries.
The hypocrisy of some isn't strong enough to overcome that kind of love.
You mustn't forget that.
Caritas Christi,
- Tue Nov 03, 09:58:00 AM 2009
- B Nettles said...
Thy Peace,
I think the movie you're referring to is Babette's Feast. Certainly a thoughtful movie. Not an action flick, but thoughtful.
- Tue Nov 03, 09:58:00 AM 2009
- Amy said...
(My response will be in parentheses)
Do you still work at SWBTS or are you a different Amy?
(Same Amy but no longer working at the seminary. BTW, really enjoyed when you and Cole tried to get me fired from the seminary for commenting on his blog. Please also avoid attempting to discredit me as nothing more than a SWBTS employee because of my questions. Legit questions that I think deserve an answer.)
The only unusual circumstances over the timing of this post is the fact I'd never read her bio before yesterday.
It's a subject of little interest to me.
(If it is a subject of little interest ... why write the post?)
- Tue Nov 03, 11:18:00 AM 2009
- Amy said...
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- Tue Nov 03, 11:21:00 AM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Off Topic:
FBC JAX Watchdog > Brunson Expresses "Remorse" and "Sorrow" Over His "Stumble" Last April.
- Tue Nov 03, 11:30:00 AM 2009
- Bill said...
Glad that I am not on an island!!
Please do not misunderstand, I am not holding myself up as a geat example, but we must all get serious about the Gospel.
Have a great day.
Romans 6:23
- Tue Nov 03, 11:49:00 AM 2009
- Debbie Kaufman said...
And it is a big deal Linda. To be excluded from anything that involves family is pain beyond imagination and it is a big deal. To minimize it shows lack of understanding as to what this actually entails.
- Tue Nov 03, 01:10:00 PM 2009
- Debbie Kaufman said...
I imagine Dorothy Patterson doesn't see her world travels as incompatible with her role as homemaker. They only conflict if you assume the worst caricatures of her position.
Brent: This statement has me completely puzzled. She travels the world(thus is not home for her husband, thus cannot fulfill her duties as a homemaker) and the Patterson's only have two children, which regardless of the circumstances, which they could certainly adopt if they truly adhere to the quiverful, but it should make the Pattersons more compassionate toward those who have one or two children by choice, just as I have no problem with those who choose to have large families. It is hypocritical no matter how you try and explain it away.
Classes in homemaking are offered at SWBTS, no theology courses, no hiring of women to teach men, yet she can teach men. She can leave her nest and travel the world, she is on staff at SWBTS, she writes for the gender blog which has both men and women as readers, not to mention addressing young male ministers which she has done every year at SWBTS etc. Come on Brent.
- Tue Nov 03, 01:17:00 PM 2009
- wadeburleson.org said...
I can assure you with the integrity of my word, I have not, nor ever would, seek your firing. If it's any comfort, had I sought your firing at Southwestern, it would have guaranteed you a job until Jesus comes or death (whichever's first). :)
The only employment issues with which I have ever been involved with at SWBTS are two where I sought to keep women hired, not fired.
In His Grace,
- Tue Nov 03, 01:21:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
- Tue Nov 03, 01:38:00 PM 2009
- Tom Parker said...
DP is a hypocrite as simple as I can put it. She tells others what to do and then ignores those same instructions.
She is doing women a great disservice.
Do you not think so?
- Tue Nov 03, 01:49:00 PM 2009
- Christiane said...
Question: where DOES the money for all the travel and luxuries come from?
How was it collected?
From whom was it collected?
Did the individuals contributing understand that they would be paying for the luxurious life styles of a few in leadership,
or were they told that the funds were to be used in any other ways?
Is there an accounting for how much was spent on the Pattersons' life-style and travels 'for the SBC'?
If not, why not?
I have no business to ask these questions, nor any right to expect answers to them. But one does wonder about the source of the funding and the possibility of in-your-face flaunting of the uses of other people's contributions.
I hope some in the SBC have asked responsible questions.
I know, of course, that the Patterson's would never fund their lavish life style from monies collected in the good name of missionaries like Lottie Moon. That would just be too great an insult to the memory of those saints.
- Tue Nov 03, 02:50:00 PM 2009
- Lydia said...
Wonder how you would feel if they were ridiculing your wife?
Tue Nov 03, 10:15:00 AM 2009
I was just thinking how Dr. Klouda's husband must have felt with his heart condition and the treatment of his wife at SWBTS.
BTW: There are NO men of God. There are only depraved sinners saved by grace.
- Tue Nov 03, 02:55:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Bill Nettles:
Thank you for your choice of Babette's Feast. What I had in mind is Like Water for Chocolate. In some ways both these movies are in the top 10 of cooking themed movies.
- Tue Nov 03, 02:56:00 PM 2009
- Lydia said...
(Same Amy but no longer working at the seminary. BTW, really enjoyed when you and Cole tried to get me fired from the seminary for commenting on his blog. Please also avoid attempting to discredit me as nothing more than a SWBTS employee because of my questions. Legit questions that I think deserve an answer.)
Amy, your comments here should have guaranteed you a promotion at SWBTS!
- Tue Nov 03, 02:58:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Question: where DOES the money for all the travel and luxuries come from?.
L's: It appears some are part of the "royalty" within SBC. Some of these are Mega Church First Families. In PP situation, his family could be considered as a First Family of the CR "takeover" of SBC and as the President of SWBTS.
I am sure lot of people feel PP's family deserves the perks and benefits as befitting royalty.
- Tue Nov 03, 03:01:00 PM 2009
- Lydia said...
Linda, What is the big deal? I know a couple who left the patriarchy movement and now minister to those who are fleeing it. They took in two 20 year old girls who did not even know each other but ran away from their families.
Neither one had ever been to a GYN. It would be found that one of them had a life threatening tumor that had to be removed right away. Neither one had been allowed to go to college but were forced to stay under their father's authority until they married. Their life consisted of watching the younger kids, sewing, cooking, etc. Of course, there are few young men and then they would be marrying into the same thing.
Both had been homeschooled and their only outlet for social was the patriarchal church where women had to be silent.
Both were from financially secure middle class families whose dads had typical professional managerial jobs.
There was no financial reason for them not to get to see a Gyn or go to even a close by community college. They simply were not allowed. They both ran away. With nothing. No money, car, etc. Neither one had ever been taught to drive. Neither one had ever been allowed to wear pants.
That is Patriarchy and quiverfull movement. And it is more pervasive than you think. The SBC is headed this way. When we have professors at our flagship seminary teaching that women are made in the 'indirect image of God', a derivative, and another seminary installing kitchens to teach women how to be good wives, it is time to pay attention.
- Tue Nov 03, 03:07:00 PM 2009
- DL said...
"When we have professors at our flagship seminary teaching that women are made in the 'indirect image of God',"
What's this about? I hate to sound ignorant, but in this case, I am.
- Tue Nov 03, 03:43:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Some posts that reflect "indirect image of God" ...
Women In Ministry [Cheryl Schatz] > Are women's gifts secondary?.
Under Much Grace Blog [Cindy Kunsman] > Recent Discussion Concerning the Vision Forum Concept of the Father/Daughter Relationship.
Under Much Grace Blog [Cindy Kunsman] > Tampering with the Trinity:
How the Trinity Relates to Gender Roles.
Under Much Grace Blog [Cindy Kunsman] > The Creation of Eve ("The Jewish Way").
Under Much Grace Blog [Cindy Kunsman] > Marriage Is Sanctified From Concubinage Through the Law, Not the Bride and Groom ("The Jewish Way").
- Tue Nov 03, 03:57:00 PM 2009
- Kerygma said...
I wish Dorothy had stayed home and kept silent like Phyllis Schafly.
- Tue Nov 03, 06:10:00 PM 2009
- Ramesh said...
Off Topic:
A great sleuthing work. All done without criminal subpoena's and trespass warnings.
New BBC Open Forum > Happy Birthday, O Purveyor of Baloney!.
Today is Randy McDonald's birthday. Maybe it's time to "man up" and start acting your age, RM/Brady/Cooper/Plano Man/et al.
Stop Baptist Predators > Happy Birthday to Plano-man!.
- Tue Nov 03, 08:09:00 PM 2009
- Lydia said...
What's this about? I hate to sound ignorant, but in this case, I am.
Tue Nov 03, 05:43:00 PM 2009
Prof Ware at SBTS
Google it. I have heard him teach it on audio but do not have a link.
- Wed Nov 04, 05:28:00 AM 2009
- Jeannie Babb said...
Woah. A girl is excluded from a family photo for wearing pants, and Linda thinks this is no big deal? Sounds like emotional abuse to me. It definitely sends an ex-communication type message. "You are not really part of this family because you're such a pants-wearing sinner." This is not healthy, not gracious, and not Christian.
- Fri Nov 06, 02:58:00 PM 2009
- Gene S said...
My Grandaddy had a perfect observation for this situation: "The higher the monkey climbs the tree, the more you see his (or her) tail!"
I was in Paige's office at SEBTS. Such ostentation is beyond description. It had to do with fancy furniture and pictures all over the wall to "prove" what a theological mover and shaker he is.
How many missionaries could have been funded with the excessive spending over, not just Patterson's renovation, but his predecessor as well? It is no wonder we are out of reserve funds to tide the SBC mission effort through national tough times!
What fascinated me most was the "glamor shot" picture of Dorothy sans Minnie Pearl hat and frumpy dress. I wonder what she wore to the midnight buffet?
All this has nothing to do with sharing the Gospel, rather proving what a fine set of company our "King of the SBC and wife" keep.
Give me a break!!!!
Matthew 23 clearly comes to mind.
My favorite President's column from SEBTS days was about how Dr. Patterson's hound dog was no longer welcome to come into "Magnolia Hill." For a submissive wife, that is not proof of living what you preach!
I remain UNIMPRESSED!!!
- Sat Nov 07, 05:22:00 PM 2009
- Tom Parker said...
Gene S:
What has always amazed me is that no one ever confronts PP about his excesses or his or his wife's hypocrisy. He must be one powerful man that it is not wise to cross.
- Sat Nov 07, 08:33:00 PM 2009
- Lin said...
"My favorite President's column from SEBTS days was about how Dr. Patterson's hound dog was no longer welcome to come into "Magnolia Hill." For a submissive wife, that is not proof of living what you preach!"
Check out his dog's tombstone. I sure hope the SBC did not pay for it. Even if we did not, it could mean we pay him too much if this is how he makes financial decisions:
- Sun Nov 08, 12:56:00 PM 2009
What is interesting in studying church history, patriarchialism as authority started to take hold as the church was leaving Jewish aspects of the faith. Oskar Skarsone notes that Lord Supper Passover was observed by all assemblies. I heard someone say to their congregation member to just trust and tithe as means of submission and God will judge the ministers in terms of their stewardship if they don't do their end. If one knows the minister is not in accordance to their biblical end the member is not just to mindlessly submit and tithe. But this is the Stepford Wives theology that is being promoted by men like Patterson. It is noted in past that he has given advice to women to just submit to their husbands even if they are abusive.
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At the time, the FBI characterized the Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front as the top domestic terrorism threats in the nation.
Authorities have said the Earth Liberation Front cell was responsible for 20 arsons around the West from 1996 to 2001 that did $40 million in damage.
The highest-profile case was the 1998 fire that destroyed a restaurant and other facilities at the Vail Ski Resort in Colorado. Other targets included a plant research facility at the University of Washington and several businesses and other structures in Oregon—a horse slaughterhouse, U.S. Forest Service ranger stations, a power transmission tower, a tree farm and an SUV dealership.
The group disbanded in 2001, but a federal taskforce known as Operation Backfire turned an informant and broke open the cell in 2005.
By then, the group's leader, William C. Rodgers, was running a bookstore in Prescott, Ariz. After his arrest, Rodgers committed suicide in jail. Authorities described him as a Svengali-like guru and sexual predator who liked to call himself Avalon, after an island from the legend of King Arthur.
The informant was Jacob Ferguson, a local environmental activist who once had a pentagram tattooed on his forehead and studied diesel mechanics at a community college. Prosecutors said he agreed to take a recorder into Family meetings around the country to break through their code of silence. Originally sentenced to probation, Ferguson was sent to prison after authorities found him selling heroin.
In a 2009 paper on environmental terrorism, sociologists Brent L. Smith of University of Arkansas and Kelly R. Damphousse of University of Oklahoma wrote that The Family members were mostly from middle-class backgrounds, though a few, like Ferguson, had a criminal history. The group developed from the environmental activist and anarchist community of Eugene, Ore.
In the Vail arson, the group issued a communique saying the buildings were burned as retribution for the Forest Service allowing the resort to expand into critical habitat for the Canada lynx, a threatened species. The attack focused national attention on the idea of ecoterrorism.
However, by the time they were sentenced, members of The Family expressed regret and frustration that after all their hardships, they had accomplished practically nothing.
A horse slaughterhouse in Redmond, Ore., was never rebuilt, but the ski resort and ranger stations were reconstructed, timber companies stayed in business, and wild horses were still rounded up and removed from federal lands.
The two remaining fugitives are Joseph Mahmoud Dibee and Josephine Sunshine Overaker, Ferguson's former girlfriend. Dibee is believed to be in Syria, where he has family, and Overaker is believed to be in Europe, Peifer said.
Animal rights activist Peter Young spent eight years as a fugitive before officers stumbled upon him in 2005 at a Santa Cruz, Calif., Starbucks. He eventually served two years in prison for freeing thousands of mink from Midwest fur farms in the name of the Animal Liberation Front in 1997.
"There are two rules to being a good fugitive," he told The Associated Press on Thursday. "If you have an ID under a different name and don't call your parents, you can live free for a very long time."
Young added there is a benefit to staying on the run for a long time, as Rubin did: "The lawyers all told me at different times as I was preparing to turn myself in, but never did—they said, 'You stay away for a long time, the feds usually get to the point they're not so zealous about your case anymore.'"
Associated Press writer Manuel Valdes in Seattle contributed to this report.
Jeff Barnard can be reached at —https://twitter.com/JeffBarnardAP


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Have you noticed that the animated antics of roadrunners and little black ducks defy the laws of physics? Perhaps it is the realization of these inconsistencies that make us laugh.
Members of the Institute of Electronic and Electrical Engineers were inspired to publish the "Cartoon Laws of Physics" in 1994. Since then, cartoon physics has been a topic of Internet discussion.
Cartoon gravity, for example, doesn't always work. Cartoon Law 1 states that a body suspended in space will remain in space until made aware of its situation.
This happens when the cartoon character walks off a cliff. That toon just continues walking until he/she/it happens to look down, then he begins to fall.
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Cliff edges are not the only cartoon contexts in which gravity fails. "Air brakes" can halt the descent of a plane. And everything falls faster than an anvil; that's Cartoon Law 9.
Gravity can be overcome by fear. It only takes a sudden sound to propel a frightened feline ceiling-high with enough force to impale the plaster with its claws.
Cartoon cats have great resilience. Any violent rearrangement of feline matter is impermanent. Whether enduring an explosion or getting pleated like an accordion, after a few moments, the cat always goes back to normal. This is Law 8. The corollary: A cat always takes the shape of its container.
You are familiar with Cartoon Law 3, the silhouette of passage: Any body passing through solid matter will leave a perforation conforming to its perimeter. Cartoon characters that run through a wall leave a cookie-cutter hole of themselves behind ... unless there's a painted tunnel involved. Certain bodies can pass through solid objects painted to resemble tunnel entrances, others cannot. This is Law 7, and cartoon physicists still puzzle over why the painter of the tunnel cannot pass through it. Even on the rare occasion that the artist can enter the tunnel, he must immediately turn back to avoid the train coming out of the tunnel he just painted.
Discovery Center Museum celebrates Cartoon Day 11 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. June 29. Watch professional cartoonists draw pictures that move. Come in your PJs and watch cartoons on the big screen. We'll bring the cereal. All activities are included with museum admission: $5 adults, $4 children, members free. For more information, call 815-963-6769.


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Tuesday, 10 January 2012
Sepia Saturday 108 : 14 January 2012
44 comments:
- Postcardy said...
Hopefully, I won't be too "old hat."
- 10 January 2012 at 12:10
- Liz Stratton said...
A NYC hat! 75 years younger and it would have been the perfect addition to my SS107. You will be in NYC by the end of the decade with Amy and will have to stop into a haberdashery. J.J. Hat Center would be the perfect fit - established in 1811!
- 10 January 2012 at 19:18
- Linda said...
You never know what a woman is keeping under her hat.
- 11 January 2012 at 05:10
- Tattered and Lost said...
I'm guessing this lady saw one of the feather's move and is now concerned it might be alive!
My mind is not on hats, but a salesgirl selling chocolate.
- 12 January 2012 at 05:18
- Bob Scotney said...
Hats off to you all.
- 12 January 2012 at 13:01
- Little Nell said...
A lovely bonnet, 'with all the frills upon it' set me off in a search to find the top of the Hat Parade!
- 12 January 2012 at 20:05
- Steph said...
Hello! Thank you for all the visits and lovely comments on LiM! I love looking at everyone's sites too!
This Saturday, I have a very interesting lady 'under my hat', as it were. I am *such* a fan of hats and can never pass up the opportunity to buy a photo of a lady with a really glamorous one!
- 12 January 2012 at 22:09
- Rob From Amersfoort said...
Ah, classic movies. According to Wikipedia this 16 minute movie (directed by D.W. Griffith) is the best known example of Mary Pickford's early work. Nice theme!
- 12 January 2012 at 23:42
- Postcardy said...
There is a condensed version of the movie on YouTube:
The New York Hat (1912)
The Sepia Saturday prompt is at 4:33 in the video.
- 13 January 2012 at 12:35
- Colleen G. Brown Pasquale said...
That hat is wonderful. Inspired me to post my first photo here!
- 13 January 2012 at 12:49
- Alan Burnett said...
I am off theme this week, so far off theme that I am on theme.
- 13 January 2012 at 15:56
- RJ Clarken said...
Thank you! I ♥ this prompt!!!
- 13 January 2012 at 16:11
- Kristin said...
My grandmother sporting a hat on the lawn of Mt. Vernon. I've tried to post comments so many times in the past 24 hours and my comments just disappear.
- 13 January 2012 at 18:11
- Kat Mortensen said...
"Here's your hat, what's your hurry?" as my grandmother used to say.
- 13 January 2012 at 18:44
- Mike Brubaker said...
A great theme choice this week. I'm glad others watched the original "New York Hat" film too. It helped me to decide for a bit of melodrama and half-fiction this time, so I'll take a girl and 1912.
- 13 January 2012 at 21:11
- Martin said...
I'm in this week. Couldn't resist it.
- 13 January 2012 at 22:22
- DougVernX said...
I couldn't find any beautiful hats like this one in my postcard collect so I wrote about beautiful Coast Guard stations and tonsils. Wow that's a stretch! Remember to open your mouth wide when you read my post. :)
- 13 January 2012 at 22:52
- tony said...
Even Man Flu Couldn't Stop me Being Here,
- 13 January 2012 at 23:15
- Howard said...
Plenty of hats here!
- 14 January 2012 at 00:03
Not having much luck with my blogspot lately, it won't let me comment as me (Rosie), I have to use Anonymous when I make a comment. Hope this works. Rosie
- 14 January 2012 at 01:37
- Gloria Baker said...
What nice and lovely picture Alan!
- 14 January 2012 at 01:45
- Unknown said...
I will be up soon with feathers aplenty to match this week.
- 14 January 2012 at 02:01
- Norkio said...
Ah, I found seven fabulous hats for your perusal!
Hrm, is it just me? I cannot seem to get this comment to post... This is my Google account but you will know me better as Who Were They?
- 14 January 2012 at 06:58
- Sheila @ A Postcard a Day said...
She seems so shocked. Maybe I should watch YouTube to find out why.
People seem to be having difficulty commenting. I'll have to see if this works.
- 14 January 2012 at 07:05
- Bruno Laliberté said...
I'm on Time!!
I'm on Topic!!
I'm... my usual self...
- 14 January 2012 at 07:53
- dakotaboo said...
A short post from me this week, but a couple of great hats. Happy Sepia Saturday.
- 14 January 2012 at 10:27
- Wibbo said...
Nice theme! My offering this week is an elegantly behatted woman; nicely on-theme.
- 14 January 2012 at 10:31
- Jinksy said...
I take my hat off to you for this post! LOL ♥
- 14 January 2012 at 12:09
- Liz Stratton said...
Oh I DO love a good hat. I can't wait to see the posts this week. To enjoy music as you read, scroll down and start the player. (I hope it works for everyone! This is my first time adding music.
- 14 January 2012 at 15:14
- Jo said...
Wonderful - a levitating hat! I couldn't find anything so flamboyant but I found a skeleton story :-) PS: Couldn't leave a comment using my Wordpress for some reason. Jo
- 14 January 2012 at 16:24
- Alan Burnett said...
Sorry about the Comment problems : I think I need to change the settings.
- 14 January 2012 at 17:00
- Alan Burnett said...
I have changed the comment settings back to what they were - I would appreciate it if someone with Wordpress would try it now and report back.
- 14 January 2012 at 17:02
- Teresa Wilson Rogers said...
Just came across your blog today and have to tell you I love it! I actually post a picture each Sunday on my blog called "Women with Hats" so today's topic really caught my attention. I hope you enjoy my entry. I enjoyed looking at everyone else's photos and look forward to more Sepia Saturdays.
Teresa Wilson Rogers
- 14 January 2012 at 18:33
- 21 Wits said...
yes! I am now able to access this! Blogger is acting up again...so I hope I can enter too.. if not here is my link
- 14 January 2012 at 18:41
- 21 Wits said...
Yes! Success! Alan what ever it works now! Although it's slow on others, that actually open up....
- 14 January 2012 at 18:42
This is me posting as Who Were They? hope it works!
- 14 January 2012 at 20:57
- Kathy Reed said...
I read Liz Stratton's post and just had to join in the fun. I've always admired the hats of my foremothers. Thanks for the prompt.
- 15 January 2012 at 00:43
- Alan Burnett said...
OK : Half-way through my reading. It is a bumper crop this week so my apologies to those lower down the list, it may be another day before I get to you.
- 15 January 2012 at 11:11
- Kristin said...
I visited every blog and posted on each one but on some of them my comments just disappeared. Very frustrating.
- 15 January 2012 at 14:03
- Alan Burnett said...
Kristin : I suspect it is something to do with this new embedded comment took Blogger has introduced. I have turned it off in my various blogs as it was leading to comments vanishing.
- 15 January 2012 at 16:00
- Unknown said...
Apologies to all....since yesterday comments are not working on my blog and on many others who use blogger.com/ Apparently so the story (excuse) goes Blogger changed some coding and everything went to "h%$l" They claim they are working on it, but today it is still not fixed....Darn and double darn, nothing we can do
- 15 January 2012 at 17:12
- Unknown said...
Thanks to Bob Scotney for letting me know I had vanished from Alan's Linky (sounds kind of Kinky!)Sure enough where did I go, I was there and am not,,, anyway I am having trouble with Blogger not processing comments but some are getting through...take you chances and come on by to see my feathered hat ladies..now I should appear at the tail end....
- 16 January 2012 at 01:33
- ScotSue said...
A great topic. I am amazed at the size of the hats that appear in my photographs from an ordinary family.
- 17 January 2012 at 12:51
- L. D. said...
Hey I am off theme again and I am back, that is what counts.
- 21 January 2012 at 22:14


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