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Long haired Tobi was Obito as well
In the latest chapter we see Madara with white hair as an old man. Should we consider this confirmation that Obito simply grew his hair out while he controlled Yagura and met Itachi? --M4ND0N (talk) 17:16, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Or. We could just wait and see what's going on in that half a frame before jumping to conclusions...--Cerez365™(talk) 17:21, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
Or Madara simply dyed his gray hair to look hot again, no way Obito has identical hair as him.--Elveonora (talk) 21:34, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
Uchiha Madara ~Dying his hair so he can wear a mask even though virtually no one would recognize him. Personally I think Madara used the Rinne-tensei on Obito, and like Nagato, that's why he looks old in that last panel. How else could Trollbito survive the rocks? So I guess there could be two Tobis. Nothing is certain. Next week, I guess. --M4ND0N (talk) 03:16, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Cerez is right. WAIT before jumping to conclusions here. Too many possibilities here. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:25, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Elveonora, how exactly is it hard to believe that Obito grew his hair? It was years after Kurama's attack.--184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:41, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yes,there sound was the also the same.--@sign. 18:14, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
The latest chapter shows a long-haired obito. we can begin to conclude that the actions of a masked man are indeed actions of obito...--Holyn (talk) 18:27, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone, while i`m not sure, Kisame has confirmed that's the man who met him in the past was obito (he didn't seem to wear a mask when controlled Yagura). When he met him in the present Kisame remembered him, and tobi even removed his masked though it wasn't shown and it's unknown if he was wearing any mask on that time, until naruto destroyed it. I don't want to jump the gun but that's only why i think, what about you teachers? ^_^. Anyone can check here. Small brother (talk) 07:10, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
- No links. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
His age again~
Yo! I'm obviously not the only one who noticed this, but I want to bring it up here in case some of you have an opinion on it:
This timeline shows what the current facts are. Of course I can explain everything, but I'm sure you're able to figure it out by yourselves, huh? Anyway, opinions please :)
tl;dr: Obito is 34 now (ignoring months). Seelentau 愛議 21:27, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Care to explain how is 13+16/17 = 34?
- EDIT: Kakashi was promoted to Jounin at 13, so ur/this timeline is wrong--Elveonora (talk) 21:29, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, if you prove me that Kakashi's Jounin age was 13. Obito is 34 years old because 18 (his age when he attacked Konoha) plus the time since then (16 years, Naruto's age) is 34. Seelentau 愛議 21:33, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Chapter 239 page 7, Obito was 14 during attack on Konoha--Elveonora (talk) 21:39, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- There is no age given for Kakashi's promotion in said chapter. And he's 18 in my timeline. Seelentau 愛議 21:42, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- The war has ended 1 year before the Tobi's attack on Konoha. That was over 16 years ago, as Kakashi is 30 now, he was 13 during the war. I really don't know how do you get 18, but please don't make yourself a fool as this is elementary school math.--Elveonora (talk) 21:47, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
Well then, allow me to explain:
Obito's timeline is this: Genin at 9, Chūnin at 11, dies at 13.
Kakashis's timeline is this: Genin at 5, Chūnin at 6
We know that Obito and Kakashi were a team during the Chūnin exams, so it's likely that they were a team as Genin, too. For that to happen, they'd have to graduate at the same time, resulting in a four year gap in age between Obito (who was 9) and Kakashi (who was 5). Kakashi is promoted to Chūnin a year later at the age of 6, while Obito failed and promoted another year later, being 11 years old (Kakashi being 7). Two years later, Obito dies in the 3SWW at the age of 13, thus Kakashi being 9 (7+2=9) when he's promoted to Jōnin. So far, so good, right? No flaws, at least I can't see any.
Now we know that Tobito's attack on Konoha happened 16 years ago. Kakashi is 30 now and 30-16 is 14. He was 14 years old when Kurama attacked and 9 years old when Obito died, there's a 5 years gap. Because of this gap, Obito is 18, since 13 (his age when he died) plus 5 (the gap) equals 18. Seelentau 愛議 21:58, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
There's no gap, just read the trivia for "Obito Uchiha" chapter. Kakashi was 100% 13 during the war, recently promoted to Jounin and the attack happened a year after--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- I know about the Trivia, but it's just listing the problems. My timeline is explaining what seems to be inconsistency. The only remaining problem is Minato's head on the mountain, but that could simply be edited out in the Tankōbon version, while I doubt that Kishimoto-sensei would rewrite the entire chapter. Seelentau 愛議 22:21, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
The problem is, your timeline contradicts with earlier official establishments, thus is wrong. I wouldn't base any timelines upon the aforementioned chapter, if your timeline can explain how a yet-to-be-born person could attend the Academy with Kakashi and staff, we can take it into consideration then.--Elveonora (talk) 22:27, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
At least for Obito's age, the timeline seems to add up. In ShounenSuki's timeline, even he added that the promotion age was calculated under the assumption Obito and Kakashi were the same age, which might not be the case. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:45, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
So under the assumption that Obito is 4 years older than Kakashi, he must have been 17 during the 3rd Shinobi World War, while he looked to be the same age. The problem for this to work is Kakashi's age, he was surely 13 during the war, thus according to that, it doesn't work. Unless people get over the fact that Kishimoto doesn't know how to portray age of his drawings correctly. But I admit it's a pretty nice effort at cleaning up Kishi's canon mess up. Obito being 18 fighting Minato would be MUCH more believable. EDIT: you got me confused, or better I confuse myself now... everything seems to fit, except you had the gap between the war's end and Tobi attack wrong along with Obito's age during his "death" So more opinions on this, and if everyone agrees, I think we can change Obito's age to:
There's no way Obito was 17 at the time of his supposed death. I wish Kishi would release an actual timeline, though.. either way, his height speaks for itself, and the fact that he entered the academy at the same time as Kakashi. Obito doesn't fail THAT much. --M4ND0N (talk) 03:10, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
mh, I have to admit that in my tiredness, I forgot to consider that Kakashi and Obito entered the academy at the same time. This fact makes my timeline worthless >.< But I don't see how my gap could possibly be wrong, since I did not create it, but logic did. If we don't take into account my little mistake there, everything fits (again, without using months). Seelentau 愛議 05:14, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Did you not go to the Kakashi Talk page and check out the response that I wrote? http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kakashi_Hatake#Kakashi.27s_age_during_the_Kakashi_Gaiden 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:23, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Add up Itachi, Kakashi, Naruto and Gai's Ages. Check out their ninja reg numbers and their promotion ages. Then Check Obito and Rin's stats. You will see I am right 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:23, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Funny. Everyone's saying Kakashi was 13 when he got promoted, but no one is able to prove it. Please do so, otherwise I won't take it into account for further calculating. The timeline isn't as screwed up as one might think. Only the aforementioned problem exists. Seelentau 愛議 14:22, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
You talk about logic, yet math isn't your strong point brother ;D Tobi's attack on Konoha happened after the 3rd Shinobi World War, and Kakashi was 14 during that time. Since the Gaiden portrays events before the attack, he got promoted before he turned 14, that's a given. Itachi witnessed a traumatic event from the war, and was 4-5 years old when the Fox decided to play around a bit. It's not believable for younger than 3-4 years old Itachi to have been there... he wouldn't even comprehend and recall something from earlier than that.
So by your theory, 13 (our Jounin promotion age) - 4 years = 9 (Kakashi's Jounin promotion age of yours) great.... a yet to be born Itachi had already a warfare trauma :O Do you need the math to go any further to get more proofs, brother? :)
The only problem now (if we go by a corrected version of your timeline) is to accept/deny that "viz Obito's infobox picture" was 17 there. I mean... might be delayed adolescence or simply Kishi's fail, like 11 years old Itachi being as tall as Orochimaru... all we need now are votes/voices by more naruto wikia members to decide if to change Obito's age to 34 or keep it the way it is and avoid further timeline/canon missteps--Elveonora (talk) 16:14, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not THAT bad with maths. Kakashi was 14 when Kurama/Tobi attacked and the 3NWW ended before the attack. Itachi turned 4 a year prior to the attack, and even though I don't see what Itachi's to do with this, he still had one year to witness an event happening in the 3NWW. Where's the problem and where's your Kakashi-Jōnin-13-proof? Regarding Obito's official age given in the box, I wouldn't change it. He and Kakashi joined the academy at the same time, which renders my timeline invalid, but it's still pretty good 8) Seelentau 愛議 17:49, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
He couldn't witness anything if we go by your line of Kakashi being 9 when Obito has "died" as he was 14 during the Fox attack and Itachi 4-5, thus there's no chance as the Gaiden has marked close-to-end of the 3rd war, that would make the latter an infant back then, if not born yet. You got yourself confused now, there's no proof that all the class students have to be about the same age, y u no eating a scenario with Kakashi being 4 and Obito 8 during their first Academy day?
It all works, but for Obito looking too young--Elveonora (talk) 18:05, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Itachi was 5 when Kurama attacked. He had more than one year to witness a traumatic event in the war while being 4. Kakashi was actually 15. Obito died at the age of 13.
- I know that Kakashi Gaiden happened near the WW's end, but we don't know how near. There is a possibility of it lasting anothert 4 or 5 years.
- What did Obito prior to joining the academy, then?
- Maybe I am confused, but only by you. What exactly are you getting at? Please just give me a valid source for Kakashi being 13 years old when he was promoted to Jōnin, I'll see what I can do afterwards. Seelentau 愛議 18:17, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Chapter 599
- Obito: circa 4(x years 7 months) years older than Kakashi
- Academy = started along with Kakashi, as of age 8, graduated at 9
- Chunin = failed the exams twice, once at 9, then at 10 and succeed as 11 years old
- Kakashi: circa 4(x years 7 months) years younger than Obito
- Academy = started along with Obito, as of age 4, graduated at 5
- Chunin = promoted at 6 (Obito being 10 years old)
- Jounin = 7
[When Obito succeed, Kakashi was 7 and as of chapter 599 a recent promotion, thus they went fighting right after]
Kakashi was 1 month after his 14th's birthday during the Fox's attack. When Kakashi turned 30, it was 15 years and 11 months after Obito's/Tobi's attack. Thus Obito/Tobi fought Minato as 19 years old.
Check it out, and let me know if there still are any plotholes, if not then it appears ur right and we can change (with agreement of course) his age to:
- Age at the time of a presumed death/Gaiden: 11
- Part II: 34-35
--Elveonora (talk) 20:01, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Only Itachi's age and the trauma statement might be problematic, as he was 4-5 during the attack, and if he had seen an incident during the war, then that would mean it lasted about 6-7 years... sounds believable?--Elveonora (talk) 20:46, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- We don't know how old Kakashi and Obito were when they joined the academy, but Obito was (and is) 4 years older. Again, ignore the months, they're making this more complicated.
- They graduated at 5 and 9. I don't know how many times Obito failed the Chūnin exams, but guessing from the chapter, I'd say only once at the age of 10 (same exam Kakashi succeeded in). Being 11, Obito became Chūnin. Two years later, he died at the age of 13 (his last given age as Obito), Kakashi being 9 years old (his Jōnin age). You see, it fits perfectly.
- You're right about Kakashi being 14, I miscalculated that. Itachi was 5 during Kurama's attack and witnessed the 3WW at 4, meaning the WW lasted at least until one year prior to Naruto's birth and all.
- So I'd say we should simply write "30-34" for Obito's age and correcting the promotion ages where it's due. That's all we can do, since as obvious as all this may be, it's only fan talk. I guess it's up to the community to add it, but seeing as how Tsunade's a presumed Raiton user...^^ Seelentau 愛議 20:59, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- It takes at least 1 year to graduate, so Kakashi had come as 4 at the earliest, and Obito 8 (assuming it took him 1 year as well to graduate, unless he was there like for 5 years already, but that sounds like an epic failure if you ask me) not to mention the time when they started is completely irrelevant that's just an estimate... the only thing that matters is, that they were a team.
- Months are important, they can make a 1 year difference, sometimes even 2.
- Viz. chapter 599, Obito failed twice, but the Chunin exams age graduation is what matters, so it's trivial if it was just once.
- From where did you get that Obito had died 2 years later at the age of 13?
Read the Gaiden and chapter 599 again. Obito has succeed the exams at 11 and Kakashi was by then recently promoted to Jounin at 7... the 3rd Shinobi World War, or at least their participation occurred it appears in a range of few days at max, if not tomorrow.
- Kakashi's birthday is in September, that means, the current events of manga are already past this point as Kakashi is 30. Naruto's birthday is October, thus Kakashi is 15 years and 11 months older.
Obito has his birthday in February... thus an example: by the time Kakashi was 10 years and 5 months old, Obito turned 15. (thus there's 4 years and 7 months difference between them, depends on what part of a year it is, they are either 4 or 5 years younger/older from each other), that means: Obito is 35 now Unless we reverse it and Kakashi's birthdays comes first as a priority... example: by the time Kakashi turned 7, Obito was still 10 and only a few months later turned 11. (thus Obito being x years +/- 5 months younger), that means: Obito is 34 now
Tobi's age is 100% 34-35 if we switch to this new timeline, it fixes all the errors around these, and is more official than ShounenSuki's opinion/guess that "it's safe to assume that they are the same old" etc. --Elveonora (talk) 21:55, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
You all are still missing a few things. Gai Rin and Obito's registration numbers are very close and they all have the same chuunin graduation age. Gai is 8 months older than Kakashi and Obito is 7 months older. Kakashi was 14 and 25 days older than Naruto. It was said soon after the bridge was destroyed the war ended and Minato was elected Hokage. Obito was a class mate of Gai and Kakashi too. So he is 31 at most 29 at least. You guys are just trying to make his age fit that way so you can make EVERYTHING fit. Just remember there is errors here and he is about the same age as Kakashi there is no other way to put it honestly. I did the math countless times with the databook evidence and manga evidence. 33-34 came up a few times in some calculations, but in most of the logical and leeway accepting calculations 30-31 came up. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:28, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
@unnamed user, it's nice you want to save some space, but feel free to post in a standard way and please, add up your calculations for comparison. I'm really interested. Even though Aren't these A LOT used references just some notes from ShounenSuki's timeline? Like, can you provide lines from the databooks/manga that:
- the war ended shortly after the bridge was destroyed (not to mention if it's there, shortly isn't a definite term)
- it was considered and argued about that all the classmates do not have to be around the same age
- no one is trying to fit everything, just official information from manga and databooks, so we provide the most official "facts" as possible instead of "logical assumptions"
- According to chapter 599 and Gaiden, the war has started right after Obito's promotion to Chunin and Kakashi's to Jounin. Obito was 11 so Kakashi 7... the number 13 again came from the assumption of Obito and Kakashi being the same old, thus it's invalid now.
We can't list things as facts without a reference, and the reference has to be based upon official things not guesses.--Elveonora (talk) 13:52, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- arghs, this discussion is confusing now, ya'll talk without any paragraphs and one even without user name, so who's anwering who? I'm confused! :( Elve-kun, have you answered me? I can't see through this anymore ._. Seelentau 愛議 15:06, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: doesn't matter, both of you please answer to both and all--Elveonora (talk) 15:55, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
Obito is confirmed to have "died" at 13 during the end of the war and that image does not mean he went off to war straight after he became chunin, in fact it is 2 diff scenes in that chapter. He has his chunin papers in one and in the other he has flowers at a later and different time, we have no solid clue the time frame between those two scenes and it is presumptuous to assume one and just an opinion, it is fact he was chuunin at 11 and kakashi was chuunin at 6. it is also obito he "died" at 13, reg numbers combined with obito, itachi, gai, naruto, rin and kakashi's databook profiles helps with the facts, but then again we wont know till databook 4 or a official timeline 22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:28, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
Again, where are the sources for the mysterious number 13?--Elveonora (talk) 21:51, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- The 13 comes from the databook. It's Obitos age when he died and not made up by me or anyone else. Seelentau 愛議 10:52, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Just something I'd like to say for those trying to say Kakashi and Obito were/are the same age. Kakashi, in Part I, stated that he was promoted to Chuunin when he was 6 years younger than Naruto, who was 12 at the time. Do the math. This means in the recent chapter's flashbacks, Kakashi was six when he was shown with his new Chuunin vest. This is key to proving Obito was older than Kakashi, not the same age. Obito graduated from the academy at nine, was on the same team as Kakashi, who acquired his Chuunin rank at age six...so how the hell could they be the same age? -Alexdhamp (talk) 18:23, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
So, Elve-kun, is there anything unclear, do you have any questions? As I said, I can't see through this discussion anymore, so please just ask me and I'll try to answer or to clarify it. Seelentau 愛議 08:08, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
Can you provide the databook reference/mention? if yes and it really was 13, then this whole topic is pointless and I will just restore the trivia "_" --Elveonora (talk) 21:51, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- What exactly? Obito's only given age is 13, his age of death. It stems from his databook entry (proof). As for Kakashi's "Jōnin-13", it's obviously wrong, as I proved at the top of this discussion. Seelentau 愛議 22:57, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
I see, it's correct then. I did calculate Obito's age right though, or at least the results are same 34-35 (depends on the way the months are approached) so Kakashi is a Jounin since 9. Now it's only up to admins, answers would be nice. There are no plotholes now in this case --Elveonora (talk) 23:18, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Then please explain to me how Obito and Kakashi could join the academy at the same time, spend the same year(s) studying and graduated at the same time, when Obito is four years older? Seelentau 愛議 23:38, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
They were never shown graduating the academy together, they were shown entering the academy together AND participating in one chunin selection exam together. That was it. So you don't know the facts. Databook 4 is the only real hope for a solid time frame. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:03, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- They were a team in the Chūnin exam (being Genin at that time) => they were a Genin team => they must've graduated at the same time. Seelentau 愛議 10:47, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Is it so hard to believe Kakashi was trained exclusively by Minato from 5 until his other teammmates were intergrated into his team. (them all being relatively the same age) Kakashi is 19-30 now so 16 years ago he would have been 13-14 only one year after gaiden.(supposedly) say Obito is the the same age as Kaka. now...they would be the same age. 14 during the Kyuubi's attack. Maybe Madara or some younger Uchiha used Obito's eye's (Transplanted) Mangekyou abilities for the Kyuubi's attack?
- ...yes, it is. There are no reasons to believe that Kakashi hat undergone a special training or so. Seelentau 愛議 18:37, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
@Seelentau, where is it stated that the students have to be of the same age? I don't find it impossible for Obito and Kakashi visiting the same class and there being 4 year difference between them...--Elveonora (talk) 17:53, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- I know, I've people in my classes who're 16 and 24 years old. Nothing special. So everything fits now, right? Or are there any other questions? Seelentau 愛議 18:37, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
No, everything fits. We should conclude this topic already as it's getting too long to scroll down :P we just need a "go" from the admins, because I won't edit something without others agreeing to prevent wars and arguing--Elveonora (talk) 18:43, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I did and... wtf? I did nothing wrong, but everything's messed up :( Seelentau 愛議 18:54, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Omni-kun, it would be nice if you could give us your opinion about all this. It seems like most of the useres here prefer just to revert what they think is wrong instead of actually taking part in the discussion. Seelentau 愛議 11:28, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- spec·u·la·tion [spek-yuh-ley-shuhn]
- noun
- the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.
- a single instance or process of consideration.
- a conclusion or opinion reached by such contemplation: These speculations are impossible to verify.
- conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise: a report based on speculation rather than facts.
- 22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:37, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
What he said ^ the only thing safe to consider is him being 29 - 30. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:25, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
I won't even look at what IPs have to say. Just saying. Omni-kun, pwwwlllleaaase :( Seelentau 愛議 20:10, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
It appears all the work has been pointless, as Obito's P2 age got removed by Omni completely, also MANSON... I think things should be discussed at first before reverting edits--Elveonora (talk) 02:41, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Not pointless at all. I don't care about what you do with the information I provide you. My job here is long since done, but I want to know what Omni-kun and the other reliable members say about this matter... Seelentau 愛議 14:17, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
The fact I had to read this topic more than once makes me feel that it's best not to list a current age for him. I'm either sleepy or the timeline is still confuse to reliably determine his age. This isn't like Killer Bee and Motoi, with one simple logical link between two pieces of information. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:35, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Ur sleepy :P it's pretty simple, Obito is either 3 years 5 months or 4 years 7 months older than Kakashi, one way or another, he is 34-35 and Kakashi got promoted to Jounin at 9 since Obito really as of databook died at 13--Elveonora (talk) 00:49, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
I think leaving his age blank is better than having his age as 13 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:55, October 11, 2012 (UTC)NaruHina4ever
Maybe Kakashi was probably almost 6 when he became a genin and probably almost 7 when he became a chunin, add the fact it takes a team of 3 to go into the chunin exams regardless and the fact obito was a dunce, so... it is possible they failed the exam the first time and this was there second at a later time?? kakashi would of been with them anyways since it was his team and as we see even if he was chunin already he would not of left the team and his sensei, as we saw in the gaiden and we saw with team gai and all the other teams so a lot of things could happen, plus like with Zabuza and Iruka some ages and advancement rank ages can be retconned or altered... all in all databook 4 is the only hope to get to the bottom of this... 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:41, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Also in the towers movie which takes place 20 years in the past, Kakashi is 10 years old and shown to be a chuunin still. which means at the very least he was 10 when the gaiden happened which means somehow Obito was around 2 years older than him at the most 126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:50, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Movies aren't canon. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:38, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't we mention his arm healing itself?--Elveonora (talk) 00:51, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- His entire arm grew back when Minato used a Rasengan on him, what Naruto's did isn't very impressive by comparison. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:07, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
I think we should wait until next week when it is (hopefully) explained. Besides how would we put it in there? I mean we hardly know about it.184.108.40.206 (talk) 01:10, September 12, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
@Omni, I meant in chapter 601 in front of Madara's eyes his arm heals.--Elveonora (talk) 01:19, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
I know, I'm just saying that considering what we saw him do in the past, this isn't exactly news. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:22, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
We saw him repairing it with flower stuff, now it regenerated by itself, I think it's worthy of a mention. EDIT: done--Elveonora (talk) 01:34, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Tobi didn't have the lower with Hashirama's clone with him when he fought Minato. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:42, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
He more than likely had his cells already though, "Hashirama was also able to use medical ninjutsu. His skill with which were such that he could heal himself without forming seals," --Elveonora (talk) 01:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Elvenora, read this part again that you've put: "Hashirama was also able to use medical ninjutsu. His skill with which were such that he could heal himself without forming seals - Now, it states HASHIRAMA. It was HIS skills. Just because Obito may have his DNA, does not mean he has his medical skills or medical ninjutsu know how. That's like saying just because Tsuande has his DNA by being one his descendants, means she can also do this. Which she hasn't been shown to do, even though she is highly skilled. This leaves your argument, invalid. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 06:25, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
For two panels, this is way too much speculation. I've seen Sakura do the same thing (heal herself without seals) but I've never seen bruises vanish with any medical nin. We of all people should know Tobi's right side is not "human" for want of a better word, so why not actually wait until Kishimoto explains those two subtle little frames, so there's more to go off that calling it "healing or regeneration"?--Cerez365™(talk) 10:30, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
@Susanoo, "sigh" Hashirama's cells/DNA gives extra powers/properties... hell it's an answer for everything an Uchiha need ;D @Cerez, that's what I mean. His half of the body or at least arm is artificial, clearly Hashi/Zetsu make-up "_" To that medical ninja part, I find it funny that a SELF HEALING ability was enough to list Hashirama as a medical-nin, while Tobi/Obito has surgical skills and apparently similar regenerative ability, yet he isn't one--Elveonora (talk) 15:46, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
It may have been premature or maybe inaccurate to list him as a medical ninja, even though he practised the use of medical-ninjutsu, but people don't necessarily have to be medical-nins in order to be able to carry out experiments or surgery especially when for one, we know nothing about the process to transplant and integrate eyes and secondly, it is related to one specific/Uchiha-related thing that they would have to know about i.e. the transfer of eyes.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:55, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Right Side of the body
Question: Is Obito's whole right side of his body (save his right eye and possibly the face) totally artificial or something? --1337 B33FC4K3 (talk) 16:16, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Obito's right half, more than likely is entirely artificial, or at least his hand is. In chapter 601 we see that he doesn't have it any at all when Madara stapled him back together.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:30, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- to me it seems his right arm is just wrapped in the bandages, close to his body. you can see the volume of the arm...--Holyn (talk) 15:39, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- True his hand may be under there. I guess we just have to wait and see what it's all about then.--Cerez365™(talk) 17:56, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- The arm is a prosthetic in that it's a replacement for the arm he lost(at least three times now). Still, I wouldn't call it 'artificial' as such. It appears to be made of living tissue like with Zetsu. The rest of the body, though, I'm not certain, but I'm thinking he just recovered it naturally with enough time, given that his face wasn't white. Skarn22 (talk) 19:46, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- True his hand may be under there. I guess we just have to wait and see what it's all about then.--Cerez365™(talk) 17:56, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- to me it seems his right arm is just wrapped in the bandages, close to his body. you can see the volume of the arm...--Holyn (talk) 15:39, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Obito mentions in the article
I really would hate to beat a dead horse here, but this article looks terrible. The plot section is fine, because it mentions Tobi for most of the actions Obito did under the Tobi guise and Obito for the things following the reveal; great. But is that really necessary for the appearance, personality, and abilities section? I mean, it really is frustrating to be reading "Obito has the ability to..." and then in the next sentence, "Tobi can also...". This constant flip-flop between Tobi and Obito's name in sections other than the plot make this article look all over the place and very disorganized. As for anything other than the plot, at least on this article, I think the Tobi references should be changed to Obito. Its fine for the plot section, because we want to show what he did as Tobi and what he did as Obito, but that isn't necessary for the abilities section, since it is all Obito's doing. His abilities as "Tobi" aren't different from his abilities as Obito, because its all him. I realize this may take time, but I'm willing to do it myself with approval from the community. Thoughts? ~ Ten Tailed Fox 05:11, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
I am sure the readers do understand that it is all Obito's abilities even when its written Tobi its not that much of a problem, actually it's hardly noticed, don't you feel that you're kinda exaggerating. Anyways I still think you're right, the change should be done.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 16:07, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind changing Tobi to Obito in sections that don't directly chronicle the series. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:03, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you guys that we should change it to confusing.(Titans24 (talk) 17:09, September 14, 2012 (UTC))Titans24
- Name by name? Image by image? are you wanting to change all this, remember that some articles still go with "Tobi" name are you sure to change all that? And the Taka reference (Tobi ga taka o umu) where it will go, change anything, after it is does, tell me (I want to know), because with a lot of IMPORTANT things to do, are all yours playing with worthless "problems".
- OBS: I am just a user, I DON'T have admin. status, that is only my opinion. MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:31, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Image names don't need to be changed, and this isn't something that would be done by a bot, since not all instances of Tobi are to be changed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:09, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
We don't care about images MaskedManMadara just the names and we're talking only about this article (the abilities section to be more precise) because it is confusing in Obito's article itself, besides no one forgot the important things to do and you're not even the one who will have to deal with them. And please lessen the hostility whene you talk to us we are not fighting we are just rationally discussing.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 19:32, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- sorry, Charmanking2198 and all any others members, this isn't my best day, I'll be out of wiki and my other sites for somedays, I don't want to fight anyone I'm just enraged. sorry... --MaskedManMadara (talk) 21:30, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Well, i am sorry too i told you to lessen the hostility but then i ended up getting a little hostile myself.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 23:41, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Tobi / Obito name mixup
I know this has been addressed already for the ability section, but I really feel we should take this up a step further. During most of the times we list Obito as "Tobi" in the story section, he was using Madara's name. I know we can't list him as such, because he isn't Madara. But since his identity has been revealed, shouldn't we just replace Tobi's name with Obito on every part of the article and other articles to avoid confusion? Obito stopped using the Tobi alias around the Itachi retrieval arc, there's no excuse for using it to reference portions of the articles about plotlines where he didn't even use the name imo. --M4ND0N (talk) 06:51, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Truthfully, I have to agree. Reason being we did the same for Kazuma. Even though he went by an alias, his Plot and Background sections sill call him Kazuma. Furthermore, as M4DON accurately mentions, Obito dropped the Tobi alias a long time ago. When Naruto discovered he wasn't the real Madara, he told Naruto he could call him either Tobi or Madara, but that it didn't matter to him, because his name didn't matter. That's no excuse to use the Tobi alias now. Obito is Obito. Saying something like "Obito, under the guise of Tobi" or "Obito, then disguised as Tobi/Madara" should suffice. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to ask we switch all the "Tobi" references to Madara since that's who he was disguised as earlier in the series. Its ridiculous to say "call him Tobi for [Insert Plot arc Title Here]" because that's who his alias was, when we don't call him Madara in the article despite him using that alias for a good while too. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 17:32, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- EDIT: And if all you're really worried about is having to change all those references, I will personally volunteer to do it myself. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 17:33, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- You have a point, but isn't part of the issue that we don't know everything for certain? Like, for example, there's debate that some of the actions of 'Tobi' may have been perpetrated by another individual. Like the deal with Yagura. I know it seems like speculation, but really, did we see anything that showed us it could only have been him? Skarn22 (talk) 18:43, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- The point is, Tobi is a generalization for 'the masked guy doing all of this stuff' whereas Obito is just Obito. Unless we know for certain that it's all his doing, I'm not sure it's wise to commit to that. If you ask me, it was a mistake to merge the articles so soon when we know so little of what was actually him believing and saying things(as far as personality) and doing things(abilities), and how much was just him pretending to be Madara(saying I believe such and such and taking credit for things that Madara did which he may not be able to do at all). But this is all just my opinion. I figure we're sure to have to move things around with every chapter that comes out since this stuff is basically unknowable and unpredictable anyhow. Edit: forgot to log in first, my bad. Skarn22 (talk) 18:43, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- EDIT: And if all you're really worried about is having to change all those references, I will personally volunteer to do it myself. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 17:33, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
That's not the point. We know that everything in the Plot section here on Obito's page was done by Obito, using either Madara's name or the Tobi alias. What we're saying is that, since we don't call him Madara in the sections where he went by that name, we shouldn't call him Tobi in the sections where he went about as Tobi. Especially since he stopped using his Tobi alias back in the Search for Itachi arc. It would be much simpler to just call him Obito everywhere, since that is who he is, rather than constantly switch back and forth from Tobi to Obito. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 18:54, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. And actually, looking it over, it looks like the current policy is to assume everything was done by Obito for now as well. In that case, I agree. It's simpler to just use his name, along with appropriately-placed pronouns. Skarn22 (talk) 19:22, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
That's horrible logic as the (once) masked man is hardly Obito anymore. So he has the same body, big deal. His personality, his abilities, his beliefs, virtually everything about him is different from the Obito persona we once knew. In addition, there's the fact he no longer believes "his" old name holds any value, yet would rather be called Tobi or Madara. I believe the name "Tobi" used in this article is to more or less represent a completely different character apart from the previous Obito. I personally cannot fathom that the arguably stupidest kid in the Narutoverse has become one of the most evil masterminds and most intelligent beings in the series. In regards to the timeline, I thoroughly disagree he should be called Obito until he at least acknowledges it himself/we have learned every shred of his background. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 19:37, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Forgive me if this seems rude, but it really doesn't matter if you agree or if you can "comprehend" Obito as Tobi. He is who he is and that is fact. It doesn't matter how much he's changed or what he formerly was, he is who he is now and that's all we know. Your comments are purely motivated by your bitterness towards the current situation in the manga; a side effect several in the fandom seem to be suffering at the moment. We know that everything that has been perpetrated by Tobi in the present time (so the Plot section of this article) can accurately attributed to Obito Uchiha and, unless we decide to start calling him Madara in the sections where he was, in-story, calling himself "Madara" then it is, in my opinion, and clearly the opinions of others that is utterly useless to keep referring to him as Tobi in the Plot section and the background sections we know to be Obito. Keep your speculation that he's "someone else because he changed too much" out of this. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 19:41, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
It's not speculation that Tobi is a completely different character apart from Obito. You're jumping to conclusions by wanting to reword the entire article anyways since we don't know Tobi's background in depth. There are far too many flaws and inconsistencies in Tobi's history to determine he is one character or another, namely him controlling Yagura, statements like "do you have ANY idea how long I've been waiting for this" when it would have only been a year since he became "Tobi", and his emotions toward Izuna, yet disregard for Rin, who was supposedly the reason for him changing in the first place. I could go on, but I think you understand the point I'm trying to get across.
I don't see why it's so hard for you to have patience and wait for everything to be explained. Do you not have anything better to do than change every "Tobi" to "Obito" in his article? --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 20:11, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. To anybody who hasn't read the last twenty chapters, of course it's still speculation! Oh wait, you did read it? Oh, well then, shall I call you any rude form of the word idiot? I'm not sure whether it's ignorance or simple denial that you're still attempting to refute the fact that Obito is Tobi. The dude had his goddamn mask BLOWN OFF by Naruto, and who was behind that mask? Hmm... I'll take Obito for 500, Alex. I don't see what more explanation you're waiting for, other than Obito's face being behind the mask of Tobi. And Madara calling him Obito. And Obito admitting to doing all of this. And Obito, while still masked a few chapters back, confessed to being Tobi. What else are you looking for? Would you like Kishimoto to hold your hand as you cross the street of absolute denial to get these answers you're waiting for? If you have a personal problem with Obito being Tobi, great for you. Go rage about it on some forum. But as far as the FACTS are concerned, Kishi has confirmed Tobi to be Obito, and you just have to deal with it. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 20:20, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
Unless somehow the Tobi from the beginning of Part 2 switched with Obito sometime after killing Konan, god forbid, then there should be no debate. Obito told Kakashi that he didn't reveal himself because the latter let Rin die. He knows Rin, and that's that. Is it so inconceivable that Obito grew his hair out while controlling Yagura? Fair enough, we don't know, and that's why we specify that during the parts that address that part. Another thing, Kakashi and Gai weren't THAT young when Obito attacked the village before the start of the series, added to the immature manner of speaking Obito adapted during that time [something that made me suspicious even then, by the way]. He used Kamui, a jutsu only he and Kakashi can use, and his arm dripped with zetsu goo after Minato royally pwned him. I don't see why these edits are being delayed simply because the "timelines don't match." You do realize that Tobi/Obito said all those things because he was acting as Madara, right? It's confirmed that Madara saved him, so it's easy to speculate that Madara taught him all about his history. But even outside unconfirmed speculation, I can tell you this, based on what's confirmed and based on what I'm suggesting.
1. Tobi is Obito, no questions asked. We don't need more confirmation.
2. Whether or not long-haired Tobi was Obito or not doesn't matter, I'm not talking about those portions of the article, even though it's pretty obvious that this masked man was Obito too, since Madara had white hair at that point in time.
My point is, since we know he's Obito, we should change all references to Tobi's name to Obito's instead. Because not doing so makes the article look messy and inconsistent. I can't believe this is even a debate. People who still deny Tobi is Obito should have no say in how the article is maintained. On chapter 499 I could sort of understand the shock and lack of information creating a doubt among anti-Obito theorists, but this is ridiculous. --M4ND0N (talk) 20:40, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Why is this even being discussed here? talk it out on the policy page that deals with manual of style. — SimAnt 23:16, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
I think it's appropriate to call Obito Madara in the sections of plot when he still went my that alias. Simply changing everything to Obito is short-sighted. Someone brought up Kazuma. Kazuma was also thought to be dead, and he did go by a different name, but his different name was just that. He didn't pretend to be someone else entirely, which Obito did, as Madara. Changing everything to Obito is the equivalent of changing tailed beast names in every article, which should not be done, as it creates anachronisms. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:44, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
Armageddon must be upon us; I actually agree with Omni for once. Referring to Madara until he is exposed as a fake (when the real Madara is resurrected), then calling him Tobi for the remainder. However, should he be referred to as Obito after the mask comes off? --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 00:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Of course he should. He's Obito. I have to disagree with Omni, calling him Madara on top of Tobi / Obito would make the article messier than it already is. Besides, Tobi was an alias he used to hide his real name, and Madara was an alias he used to start a war. That's all these things are, Obito's aliases. --M4ND0N (talk) 02:05, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with the above. Switching between Madara, Tobi, and Obito is just pointless, regardless of how you look at it. Obito is Obito. Those are just nicknames. Its irritating to switch from one to the next and is misleading to readers. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 03:40, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with ten tailed fox, Tobi was just a fake name used so he could keep his real identity secret, we all know who he is now so there is no point in keeping that or madara on obito's page anywhere but as nick names or alias's 220.127.116.11 (talk) 11:13, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Furthermore, as to the argument concerning the Tailed beasts, I am pretty sure that the name Kurama is popping up in multiple sections, both in its Plot and Background, as well as in many other articles, where its name has not been revealed. See Madara Uchiha's page, or even this one, or in the Nine-Tails' Attack on Konoha page, for examples. Point is, if we know their real name, it is pointless and arbitrary to continue citing their monikers in their articles, save for at the very beginning, or in sections detailing how they got that moniker. Readers are going to know Obito is Tobi. Just as they are going to know Kurama is the Nine-Tails. Why then, are we going to refer to Obito as Tobi and Madara in the Plot section? That's just confusing. Especially since, at least in Madara's case, the real Madara popped back up, and now Obito as "Madara" is popping up in Konan's, Obito's article, and anyone who came into contact with Obito as Madara, by the current policy, which makes no sense whatsoever. Just change all occurrences of Tobi to Obito. If necessary, you can throw in, as I suggested "Obito, under the guise of Madara" or "Obito, disguised as Tobi"; something of that nature. But keeping the use of the nicknames is pretty lazy of us. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 13:47, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Completely agreed. There shouldn't be a double standard for Obito, even if a few people don't like how the plot turned out. He's Obito, and that's just how it is. The Tobi who met Kisame was also Obito, since he recognized his unmasked face. Can we skip all this delaying and speculation? I'll personally help Ten Tailed undergo the edits if the admins give their consent. --M4ND0N (talk) 15:02, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- This is not delaying and speculation it is writing in-universe, also i'm not sure who changed Nine-Tailed Demon Fox to kurama throughout the article but it should be fixed. — SimAnt 20:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
It's not a mistake that needs to be fixed. It's a decision that's agreed upon throughout the wiki. The Tailed Beasts have actual names, so we changed it accordingly. Obito should be treated the same way. --M4ND0N (talk) 21:10, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Decision agreed upon? I thought that was the wiki policy. From the policy "Articles should be independent of any point in the series, it should not be required that pages be update every time a new event happens in the timeline simply because articles were written from the perspective of someone reading on the latest chapter" and "Articles should be written in an in-universe style". — SimAnt 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. I'm all for it, and due to the policy I think it's the proper course of action. And since we have admin approval, I guess that's an okay? I'll do my part. --M4ND0N (talk) 22:33, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- What? who said i approved? I was saying i thought Decisions that were agreed upon were policy, this is not in policy.I was referencing a counter argument. — SimAnt 22:45, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, sorry, I got caught up in the momentum. I still think there should be an exception for Obito, since he wasn't referred to as Tobi during those portions of the article that refer to the Nine-Tails attack. And he wasn't referred to at Tobi during the parts of the timeline where he took up Madara's mantle. So in my opinion, it's too complicated to simply call him Tobi, since he rarely used that name aside from the beginning. --M4ND0N (talk) 22:54, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- During the nine-tails attack he was speculated to be madara by minato, but if i recall correctly he was referred to as the masked man or something to that effect. I don't see a problem with writing it as "masked man" during the nine tails portion. PS: I think that only the plot sections, character intro, and arc pages should do this. — SimAnt 22:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
That's true enough. But I honestly don't see the harm in calling him Obito since his name was largely ambiguous during the time we called him Tobi. His name is revealed, and we did do this for Kazuma. I like to think we don't go by a double standard method of maintaining the wikia. --M4ND0N (talk) 23:13, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Tailed beast names only popped up in those places because we failed to revert all the times that people kept adding them back. Is Kazuma referred to as Kazuma, in, for example, episode pages before the revelation Furido was Kazuma? He should be called Furido in those instances. Even when Obito was going by Madara, Zetsu still referred to him as Tobi. Did anyone call Obito Tobi between the revelation of him not being Madara and the one of him being Obito? When he was not Madara, we kept on calling him Tobi, because that was the only name only he went by. He should be called either Tobi or masked man in those instances. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Obito age
isn't obito's age is the same age as Obito. —This unsigned comment was made by Gamma Venom 567 (talk • contribs) .
- #His age again~. --The Goblin 20:32, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Madara is Obito's ancestor?
It was said in the chapter by Obito that Madara was his ancestor. That is a surprise to me. I wonder how many generations he is descended from Madara. --Senjuto 16:36, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Madara is the ancestor of the whole (current) Uchiha clan members. We aren't sure if they are related from the same line. But if they are blood related, then maybe that one of the reasons why Madara decide to save Obito life. Hopemon (talk) 17:32, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
[The translation for posterity:
オレの ご 先祖
オレの (oreno) = my
ご (go) = precious/dear
先祖 (senzo) = ancestor/forefather
Thus, the line would look something like this: "you mean Uchiha Madara, my dear ancestor?!"
It seems to hint at a direct relationship between the two.] 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:02, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
First of all to clear up I don't think people understand what an ancestor is separate from what a relative is. Madara is not the ancestor of the whole "current" Uchiha clan. The only way that would be possible is if the Uchiha had died out and Madara single-handedly repopulated the clan, which would mean all Uchiha are in fact descended from him instead of being related to him. That being said. I confirmed the kanji above to match the raws which means Obito referred to Madara as his forefather meaning he is directly descended from Madara.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:44, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
So shouldn't we list them as related?--Elveonora (talk) 19:05, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
That also makes Izuna Oboti's ancestor. --The Goblin 19:51, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Relative! >.< but yes in layman terms "ancestor". I'm not entirely sure how we deal with people being an ancestor of someone (except for the Sage's sons), so I think we should wait for possibly others to chime in. Also, this would mean that Obito's related directly to Itachi, Sasuke and Fugaku (maybe even Shisui; but that's my wishful thinking).--Cerez365™(talk) 20:01, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
We don't list relationships unless the exact degree of kinship is known. Do you see the Sage or his elder son in the infobox of every Uchiha ever shown? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:16, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Naho. --The Goblin 08:13, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Except Omni, Obito might be Madara's grandson while Sage's Elder Son wasn't even an Uchiha, but got it... no speculations till we know exactly how they are related :O--Elveonora (talk) 22:43, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Its just a "might be".http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.pnghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3talk.png 09:15, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Omni's right. It's better the relation is left alone for now. I'm just glad that people know ^^. If we can, it could be mentioned casually in the respective articles, that should be enough for now. Gobby, I think the whole Naho thing was either over-zealousness or else looked over because, you know, she's filler content.--Cerez365™(talk) 09:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
His age again~P2.
come on he is the same age as kakashi dang it and they were both 13 and their both the same age--Gamma Venom 567 (talk) 21:26, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
Kishi disagrees, unless you can provide a canonical source for that. Obito is 34-35, not just it goes with chapter 599 and databooks, but also fixed the logistical things, like Obito didn't fight Minato a year later, but more than 5. Obito died as 13, and Kakashi turned Jounin back then recently... since he is 4 years younger, he was 9.
It was TWO different scenes.... one is when he became chunin, the other is when he tries to give Rin flowers and is pushed aside for Kakashi's surprise ordeal. It is not "Kishi disagrees" it is you and your blatant speculation and thoughts that disagrees. When databook 4 comes out then we can get the real facts on his timeline. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:00, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, my mistake, I was typing that when tired.--Elveonora (talk) 17:26, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
Why is he still called Tobi?
After the revelation that Obito was not Madara, he was called just as the Masked Man. He was named Tobi here in the wiki for convenience, but since we know who he really is now, why is the name Tobi still around in every corner of the wiki? The only period of time he was called Tobi was only when he was acting goofy, it's not like Tobi was his new name. Shouldn't all the Tobi be changed into Obito? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 12:45, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Parts of the story where his identity was secret will continue to refer to him as Tobi. The same thing was indeed done when Tobi said he was Madara Uchiha.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:51, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- (EC) Whatever things were done by him under the alias Tobi, should be written to be done by Tobi (atleast for now).http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.pnghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3talk.png 13:55, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- But he didn't do anything under the alias "Tobi" apart from his goofy personality. First he was Tobi, then Madara, then the Masked Man, and now Obito. He was never named Tobi after the Madara revelation. Just look at this: TheUltimate3: No links. ಠ_ಠ—This unsigned comment was made by Patsoumas1995 (talk • contribs) .
- (EC) Whatever things were done by him under the alias Tobi, should be written to be done by Tobi (atleast for now).http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.pnghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3talk.png 13:55, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- The only instance I recall someone calling him Tobi after he revealed himself as Madara was Kabuto, who then went to say "you go by Madara now right", Sasori I think, who said something like "and my replacement Tobi". Zetsu might have called him Tobi at some point, but I don't recall. If Zetsu did call him Tobi at some point, I think it's justifiable to call him Tobi in those instances if, and only if, Zetsu kept on calling him Tobi. If he didn't, masked man is just fine. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:17, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
Zetsu still calls Obito as Tobi--Elveonora (talk) 17:28, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, Omni, you're correct. Zetsu called Obito "Tobi" even when he was masquerading as Madara. He has actually never called him anything but Tobi. Sasori, I don't recall ever calling him anything. But he's pretty much been called Tobi by just about everyone else. It may be a translation error, but even Sasuke and the Edo Tensei Itachi called him Tobi after he was revealed to have not been Madara. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 17:54, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
I really don't see a reason he shouldn't or couldn't be called Tobi in instances. Though it's an alias, it doesn't mean we have to do away with it. Kurama is still the Nine-Tail(s)-ed Demon Fox to some people but others like Naruto, would probably not call it that again but that doesn't mean its no longer an alias of the beast. Also, loooool @ Ulti's link removing message, a template should be created for that XD --Cerez365™(talk) 18:27, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Personally, I'm annoyed with the continued usage of the Tobi alias though his name has been revealed. Same with the continued usage of Madara in sections that he was called Madara. I noticed that they didn't do this on Konan's page because, according to the edit summary, he was called Tobi then, which is absolutely false. Obito himself called himself Madara Uchiha during the fight and even Konan called him Madara, but that causes problems see. Because the original Madara has popped back up, now we are calling Obito "Madara" and Madara "Madara" and it really just looks bad. It'd be one thing if they said "Obito, then disguised as Madara" or something to that effect, but whatever. Honestly, the policy just doesn't make any sense but if that's what the administration has decided then I'm not gonna fight it anymore. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 19:47, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- We're not the ones who decided that he would have this many aliases or false identities. If links are there, it can be piped to Obito, or if it makes most people happy, in instances where it is appropriate, to call him masked man. It's also possible to put the instances which refer to Obito in quotation marks, like "Madara", which would signal that it's not really the actual Madara. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:53, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Do note, the issue with calling him "Masked Man" is that that is in no way shape or form a name. "Tobi" is a name. "Masked Man" is a description because he was indeed, a guy with a mask over his head.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:11, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- All I'm saying is that it is extremely dumb, in my opinion, to call Obito "Tobi" or "Madara", Kurama "Nine-Tails", etc. We know their names. When the name is plastered all over their articles and their jutsu, continuing to call them by their monikers in the Plot and Background sections makes the article look terrible. Its annoying to read and it makes the article look inconsistent. That'd be like calling Minato just the "Fourth Hokage" or the "Yellow Flash" in sections where he was only known by that (which was quite sometime in the case of the Fourth Hokage title). It just doesn't make any logical sense. Do as you wish, but a simple "Obito, then known as Tobi" or "Obito, under the guise of Madara" would suffice all the explanation a reader would need and there would be no need to continue on calling him "Tobi" or "Madara". Why is that so hard to do? ~ Ten Tailed Fox 01:04, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- He was also called "Masked Madara" in chapter 573. — SimAnt 01:35, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm confused by what's being disputed. Is it that he's called Tobi in his own article, or that he's called Tobi in all articles? Because those are separate issues. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:33, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
From Itachi's page
- "Before the fateful night arrived, Itachi discovered the existence of Tobi — under the guise of a vengeful Madara Uchiha — who was attempting to rekindle the flames of war in Konoha."
Why can't we do this with Obito's name? This is exactly what I was suggesting. It still notes that Obito was under the guise of Madara/Tobi, but acknowledges that neither are his true identity at the same time. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 21:03, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
- A character's true identity is not relevant to every topic. It is not relevant to Haku that the Nine-Tails' name is Kurama, it is not relevant to Darui that the Raikage's name is A, it is not relevant to Kiba that's Pain's real name is Nagato. In the same way, it is not relevant to Sasori that he was replaced by Obito - who he knew as Tobi, it is not relevant to Temari that Obito - who was pretending to be Madara - interrupted the Kage Summit, and it is not relevant to Choza that the Demonic Statue he fought was summoned by Obito - who is better known as Tobi but at the time was thought to be Madara.
- It's not relevant. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:02, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, we don't need to do this for all articles in which he is mentioned but for chrirst's sake, let' drop calling him Tobi in his own article! It's so annoying and leaves the article an inconsistent mess! Differently from Kurama and A, "Tobi" is not an "aka" name for Obito in the series but a false name he used with a false identity during a very short time. Differently from Nagato, it's not a name Obito's idealistically adopted and used to refer to himself, except when he was under the disguise. Let's do it already guys, it's the most concise way! I would do it myself if the article wasn't protected.--Holyn (talk) 16:36, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Don't remember when he used this, I wondered if this was left over from the "Madara days" of the article? Arrancar79 (talk) 18:00, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Used while fighting Fourth Hokage. --The Goblin 18:06, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
OMG I was thinking of a Kama, @_@ I'm an idiot lol. Thanks Arrancar79 (talk) 18:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Wood Release
Wouldn't Obito be capable of Wood Release due to the attachment of a Zetsu to his body? Skarrj (talk) 22:45, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. He's got Zetsu attached to him, but he has displayed zero Wood Release techniques. In fact, the only thing he has actually shown doing was Kamui, Earth Release, Fire Release (if that Barrier counts but I can't remember).--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:05, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Obito used Great Fireball before his supposed death, and a new Fire Release after being exposed as Obito. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- But having a portion of another's body has been shown to give you the potential to use their elemental abilities. Danzo used Shisui's arm to lessen the drain of chakra the Sharingans' Izanagi had. Kakuzu intergrating people's hearts. The Chimera Technique absorbing organs for use in gaining Kekkei Genkai/Chakra Natures. I'm not saying Obito knows how to use Wood Release, but I'm pretty certain that he has the potential to- Not knowledge. Skarrj (talk) 23:28, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Obito used Great Fireball before his supposed death, and a new Fire Release after being exposed as Obito. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Think about it this way, we saw Zetsu use Wood Release, both halves... this guy is merged with "Zetsu" so I don't see why his case should be treated differently--Elveonora (talk) 01:04, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Obito was never seen using wood release. Even though he theoretically cloud, if he hasn't been seen using it, it wouldn't be appropriate to put it on the page. Besides, all we know is that Obito's destroyed half is made of Zetsu goo. That doesn't mean he has his DNA / Kekkei Genkai, etc. --M4ND0N (talk) 05:23, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
He's seen using it as of the latest chapter. Though its barely noticable. If one doesn't pay close enough attention, one might confuse it with him balancing a random twig. But where's he going to find that underground? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 06:59, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
i agree...i think we can put it now...--Saeyatachi (talk) 07:04, September 26, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi
Yes i agree , after the latest chapter it look like , Obito does indeed have wood release , he made a tree branch come out of his hand...--Tchad1 (talk) 09:35, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- As of the latest chapter, all Obito has done is balanced a piece of stick in his hand.--Cerez365™(talk) 09:42, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- I thought he grew the stick in his hand.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:04, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- As of the latest chapter, all Obito has done is balanced a piece of stick in his hand.--Cerez365™(talk) 09:42, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Isn't there a "growing" noise? --Elveonora (talk) 11:11, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
edit conflict I don't think so. For one, plants don't grow like that (downwards I mean), also look at the end of the stick, it's broken. Along with that, it's not as if there isn't an abundance of sticks around (from his bed, and Madara's stump). As for the sound effect, you can check thejadednetwork for yourself, but the kanji don't look the same to me.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:15, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
So what does the sound say?--Elveonora (talk) 11:28, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- I are not not able to do that ._." Not even sure I'm correct about the sound effect kanji.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:38, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Then how you can tell it's not a wood release? :P someone with a knowledge of Japanese... anyone?--Elveonora (talk) 11:41, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
It's Wood Release...a very initial and feeble version, but it's definetelly Obito growing a tree root from his hand. Darksusanoo (talk) 12:20, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- I was simply expressing my belief that it isn't wood release in the same manner that you and others are expressing their belief that it is. Obito was in rehabilitation i.e. learning how to use his limbs once again. So which do you think fits the situation better? Using wood release or learning to balance something in his hand. He even goes on to try balance himself on his artificial leg with his hands held out...--Cerez365™(talk) 12:32, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
I'd have to agree with Cerez-san on this. Considering that it showed him rehabilitating after losing his real limbs and then gaining those, it would make more sense that he was simply getting used to his new body. However the kanji according to mangastream say its growing wood, i geuss we should just wait till the raws are out then work from there. But i don't think we should add it right away.188.8.131.52 (talk) 12:59, September 26, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
I said it was a initial and feeble version of it...plus in the scene there the bubbles for sound effect, plus you can tell pretty clearly by the plants shape that it's comming out of his hand, so i'd say that Obito's adapting to his new body and powers, which comes in more ways than one. Usuallly in the explanation parts of these flashbacks Kishi doesn't throw out useless scenes, and this doesn't seem be an exception. Darksusanoo (talk) 13:31, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- Though mangastream didn't call the Zetsu androids (which was a + for them) I don't think their translation of the kanji was correct. Like I said:
- trees don't grow upside down (meaning if it was Wood Release, the other part of the tree should have been facing upwards)
- the end of the stick is broken. Which may mean he broke it off his bed or else felt cheeky and broke it off Madara's throne.
- Using the stick to train his muscles is a lot more believable in that situation that using a feeble/weak version of Mokuton. Especially with the frame afterwards showing him balancing on one foot.--Cerez365™(talk) 13:48, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Seelentau saves the day Seelentau 愛議 14:21, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- As in... Good eye. It would've been cooler if you had translated the kanji, but i'll take it lol.--Cerez365™(talk) 16:15, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- No problem for the great Me-sama! バラバラ barabara means "scattered; disperse; loose; disconnected; in pieces; in drops" and as a sound word "rustling". Copypasta ftw! So no "growing" at all. Fun sidefact: You can find it in the Japanese name for One Piece's Buggy's devil fruit, the Barabara no Mi. :) Seelentau 愛議 17:40, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- I read the manga once again, I see no where showing he broke a twig from the bed(Might have missed it my self.) Mangastream, as I read, Showed Obito holding a twig, and the translation said "Grow, Grow" If the translation is wrong, oh well. But yeah, this is the officers choice.--Kinglink15 (talk) 18:04, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Obito's entire right side is a wood release jutsu, and he grew that new arm like he's done several times before, so doesn't it mean he has wood release. Albeit he can't use it the way other wood release users do, it should at least be mentioned. --~ {D.S.P.} [G/G] (talk) 19:49, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
We don't know completely how White Zetsu, Hashirama's cells and Mokuton are connected. Thus we wait until the whole matter is cleared up to a point where we can actually add valid information, not stuff like "It seems..." and so on. Seelentau 愛議 21:11, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
He didn'T grow his right arm, it was already there under bandages, when they got gradually removed his arm was revealed..--Holyn (talk) 15:55, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
It was said he has a clone of Hashirama's right side put on him, effectively giving him wood release, hence why he was able to master Izanagi, use the rinnegan and why he is able to basically turn his Mangekyo into an Eternal Mangekyo of sorts. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:30, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
- He's yet to use wood release so it cannot be added. What Swirl Zetsu said to Obito could easily mean the use of Izanagi and Izanami etc. Everything you said after the word "Rinnegan" is ludicrous because Obito took Nagato's Rinnegan from him.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:47, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
He has constantly spammed his Mangekyo Sharingan way worse than Sasuke ever has and yet has shown no signs of blindness or fatigue, essentially making it an Eternal Mangekyo as he is not "losing light" in that eye. That is what I was saying, it is only hinted at but thats the point. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:06, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Wood release in new chapter
In the New Chapter, we saw how he developed the new Body he was given, my question is, should we add that he was able to grow Wood from him, and note it as his element that he barely use? I think it would be useful information, I don't know how, but it would be useful, this site is the biggest site for information in role playing, and having small information would help, so, would it be a good idea? Or not? I know it's the officers choice, but maybe they can read this and think about it?--Kinglink15 (talk) 17:49, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- well the small sprout was created from his artificial body, so one can discuss wheter or not he actually have access to wood release by combining water and earth release with the rest of his body. --Gojita (talk) 17:52, September 26, 2012 (UTC)Gojita
- I know, but like Danzo for example, HE is able to use wood, Similar to how Obito summoned a Twig, it would be useful for it to be stated that he is able to use wood release by summoning small twig. but it's only my theory lol.--Kinglink15 (talk) 17:55, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
You guys need to read #Wood Release in its entirety. Obito broke a twig from his bed, he didn't use Wood Release.--Cerez365™(talk) 17:57, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
The bed has always looked that way obito can use wood release like danzo can i believe--(Titans24 (talk) 00:27, September 27, 2012 (UTC))Titans24
No. The place where Obito broke the twig from is very clear. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it is part of his bed, but at the same time, while in his hand, the twig has the sound effects of "grow", meaning he is manipulating it. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 01:30, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Mistranslation, see section above. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:33, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
"I'm looking after you"
I think that at least the flashback scene in the chapter 602 about the wound of Obito and the words of Rin should be worthy of mention (so also in the Rin's page). The big size of that panel seems indicate that it's is an important scene, and knowing the author it's really likely that it will be recalled in future metaphorically tied to the actions of Obito like Tobi. --JK88 (talk) 20:12, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Adding wood release to obito's kekki genkai
I'm relatively new here but I have a suggestion would it be possible to add wood release to obito's kekki genkai section and to add wood release and water release to his nature transformations I understand he has yet to use a full fledged wood release technique however in chapter 603 he demonstrated some degree of wood release by growing a twig in his hand and half of his body is hashirama clone so it would be probable to assume he might be able to use some sort of wood release in future chapters —This unsigned comment was made by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) .
- #Wood Release. --The Goblin 06:22, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Obito's Parents?
Is that a photograph of Obito's parents carrying him as an infant, in chapter 603, page 9? If so, is it "Wikia-worthy"? Sparxs77 (talk) 09:17, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- You mean this?http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.pnghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3talk.png 09:55, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- That's the one!! Sparxs77 (talk) 09:57, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Obito's weapons
Shouldn't be noted that they were all originally Madara's? In the recent chapter, all the weapons Obito has used (except the stakes) belonged to Madara. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 03:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Is it of any worth to note Tobi has stitches on the back of his neck? --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 04:13, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Why do we keep the age 13 for obito?Should we change it?--126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:25, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
- #His age again~--Cerez365™(talk) 10:21, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
From Kakashi's point of view
hey,i just re-read chapter 604, did obito first saw rin from kakashi's(his left sharingan) point of view? since hisalso holding in his left eye socket?--Saeyatachi (talk) 00:26, October 9, 2012 (UTC) Saeyatachi
since it's not mention in chapter 605, and seems that wouldn't be in the following chapters, shouldn't we mention this as a trivia or something?--Saeyatachi (talk) 07:58, October 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi
oh nevermind. didn't saw it at the article.....thanks--Saeyatachi (talk) 08:04, October 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi


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A few years ago I was on my way to Tucson on the Nogales Highway driving my shiny new Prius. The driver in front of me signaled a left turn into the Circle K. We had slowed to less than 25 miles per hour. In my rear view mirror I saw a large SUV bearing down on me and not slowing despite my repeated pumps on the brake this activating my brake lights. I executed a hard left turn but not in time. The SUV plowed into my right rear. I later learned that the driver of the SUV did not brake and rear-ended me at 55 MPH - a speed over the limit. The young woman explained to me her reason for not slowing: "I looked up and there you were."
These kinds of accidents are, if anything, becoming more common. They go under the catch-all term "distracted driving." Here is an informative (and scientifically informed) attempt to reduce these accidents by a Professor behind designated drivers takes aim at distracted ones (printed in the Daily Star/tucson.com this morning).
A Harvard University professor who introduced Americans to the concept of designated drivers is now taking on the deadly problem of motorists distracted by cellphones and other electronics.
Jay Winsten is consulting with federal and Massachusetts officials to develop a new generation of public awareness messages.
"We wanted to find out why all efforts to date to tackle distracted driving have utterly failed," Winsten said.
Distracted driving killed 3,477 people in 2015, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The Governors Highway Safety Association recently cited it as contributing to a surge in pedestrian fatalities last year. Just last week, after a crash killed 13 people in Texas, a witness said a pickup driver who collided with a minibus acknowledged he was texting.
It's not as if Americans aren't aware of the risks, said Winsten, director of the Center for Health Communication at Harvard's School of Public Health. It's just that many drivers, surveys show, are mistakenly confident in their own ability to "multitask and handle the problem," he added.
Those same drivers fear they'll be victimized by others who text, email or check social media while driving. It's bravado like that of tipsy drivers confident they can handle the road after a few drinks, he said.
Faced with a surge in drunken driving fatalities in the 1980s, and similarly ineffective public education efforts to reverse the behavior, Winsten and colleagues at the center seized upon a concept pioneered in Scandinavia and built a campaign that quickly entered the American lexicon.
It was simple enough. Friends go out, but one — the designated driver — refrains from alcohol and gets the others home safely.
"It promoted a new social norm, a social expectation that the driver doesn't drink," Winsten said. "It brought social legitimacy to the non-drinking role."
As with drunken driving, Winsten said, tough laws, new technology and education must all be brought to bear on distracted driving, which he considers a more persistent and complex behavior to change.
And back in Arizona, what are we doing about it? Have our legislators stepped up to this public health challenge?
You know the answer, but please stop it! No snickering. No giggling.
The Arizona Capitol Times (subscription required) reports that the Arizona House Rules chairman refuses to hear texting ban on teenage drivers.
It looks like the state's newest drivers may still tap away at and chat on their cell phones.
Rep. Phil Lovas, R-Peoria, who chairs the House Rules Committee, confirmed today that he is refusing to give a hearing to a Senate-passed bill that would make the use of hand-held communication devices illegal for teens during the first six months they have a license.
That's it? Really? Just for first-time teen drivers? This bill is shallow and does not go far enough. If drinking while driving is illegal, texting while driving should be just as illegal. Period.
What is in SB1080 is minimal.
[Rep.] Karen Fann pointed out there already are restrictions on Class G drivers, ranging from having no more than one unrelated teen in the vehicle to a ban on driving between midnight and 5 a.m. without a parent present unless it's for something like going to work.
"We're just adding one that will help protect and save our kids' lives, hopefully, because they will learn good driving habits, which is what Class G licenses are all about," she said.
Fann said it's "about the simplest" thing the Legislature could do.
And it looks like the legislature cannot even do that.
I'll rename the headline: AZ House Rules Chairman dithers while Arizonans die.

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Announced at the Electronics Entertainment Exposition (E3) last May, Acclaim's extreme sports game, BMX XXX, features real topless females in both the Create-A-Player mode and in the Scores videos, which are rewards for achieving specific goals. But SCEA requested Acclaim to cover all female nipples in these two modes, while allowing Acclaim to display strippers' rear ends (with a thong), and the other 99% of the strippers' breasts.
"We asked Acclaim to cover the topless females," said a SCEA representative, who asked to remain anonymous. "We worked with Acclaim on this game, and none of the changes that we asked to be made affected gameplay. We didn't feel that the topless nudity fundamentally added to the gameplay experience, and it presented in issue with regard to our global platform strategy and our guidelines. And because we have invested so much, and have built in so much equity to our system, we feel we need to protect that."
But Sony isn't the only company concerned or weighing in with their own moral decisions. Several retail stores stated they won't distribute the M-rated game, through many of these same stores carry bloody and violent M-rated videogames, such as Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Hitman 2 and Resident Evil. Likewise, many of these same stores sell R-rated movies, DVDs, and anime not far from the videogame section of their stores.
The ESRB (Electronic Software Ratings Board), however, was created for just such a reason. Each videogame is labeled with the appropriate stamp, from EC ("Early Childhood"), E (for "everyone"), T for "Teen," to M for "Mature" and AO for "Adults Only." BMX XXX is rated M. Sony executives in North America felt the necessity to take the matter in their own hands.
"We obviously have been a big supporter of the ESRB rating codes, but we feel that the way this game is presented will detrimentally impact our platform and the brand," the Sony representative added. "Great games find an audience no matter what. And just as Acclaim has stated, perhaps this adjustment [the censoring of female topless nudity] may actually help BMX XXX find better retail space. Not because of gimmicks in it, but because it's a quality product."
Several retail chains have publicly stated they will not carry the game, including K-Mart, Wal-Mart, Toys R US, KayBee Toys, Best Buy and Circuit City. Acclaim is currently pressing retailers to carry the modified PS2 version, but to date, none have changed their stances.
"We anticipated going into the project that certain retail stores might not carry the game," said Alan Lewis, PR director at Acclaim. "However, the distribution for BMX XXX is substantial. We will be in more than 15,000 storefronts nationwide when the game launches on November 19."
Still, SCEA's global platform strategy guidelines appear inconsistent on a worldwide basis. The European version of BMX XXX has not be censored, Acclaim told IGN. It will ship with the Scores dancers showing full upper-body nudity and the Create-A-Riders with nipples.
An anonymous source working close to the project told IGN this: "The PAL version has all of the nudity in it. Sony is not being consistent about its stance worldwide. The bottom line is that they didn't want us to show nipples. Nintendo is the most youth-centric console of all the systems, and Nintendo didn't have a problem with it. That's why we have a rating system, which clearly distinguishes which games are, and are not, for children. If Nintendo didn't have a problem with it, why the hell would Sony? I simply don't know why."
"We believe that there is a general, unfair characterization of the interactive entertainment industry and as a result, our product is being held to an entirely different standard than other entertainment media with comparable content, including movies, television and radio," said Greg Fischbach, co-chairman and CEO of Acclaim, in a previous statement referring to retailer decisions to not distribute the game. "According to NPD's August report, more than 60% of all next-generation hardware owners are men over the age of 18, and this combined with the fact that last year's number one-selling game was mature rated, fully supports our belief in the demand for this type of content."
What BMX XXX represents is one of the biggest internal challenges the videogame is facing in years. While violence has been mostly accepted in videogames, sex, apparently, has not. Long thought of as the domain of children and dominated by game companies such as Nintendo, the videogame industry has recently come under fire for numerous reasons, ranging from marketing violence to children to sexism toward women.
But if NPD data is any indication, and more than 60% of the current-generation market is above the age of 18, then the videogame industry is changing faster than some publishers and retailers are willing to accept. Gamers that once played 8-bit NES games and coveted 16-bit Genesis cartridges have grown up, are rearing children, and still enjoy games. If anything, SCEA has been the biggest instigator of the industry's growth, marketing the PlayStation better than any console has been before, and the result is a bigger market demanding an even more diverse lineup of content, including more mature games.
"While we acknowledge that we are setting new benchmarks with BMX XXX, we are disappointed that there are groups who fail to see how this humorous product is truly on par with such widely accepted mainstream entertainment experiences, including movies like American Pie, and TV shows like The Sopranos and Sex and the City," added Fischbach. "As a leading publisher, we fully believe that consumers should have a right to choose their entertainment, and with that right comes the importance of responsible consumerism. This product was not designed for, nor is it being marketed to consumers under the age of 17, and we fully support the Electronic Software Rating Board and encourage consumers to utilize their rating systems to make educated purchases."
Neither Microsoft nor Nintendo -- which has consistently remained conservative on mature content, at least until recently -- feel the necessity to alter the game for their consoles. "Xbox lets parents restrict the games their children play," says John O'Rourke, director of worldwide Xbox marketing at Microsoft, Redmond, Washington. "We know that not all games are for all consumers."
Although IGN called Nintendo, company executives were unable to return our calls prior to deadline.
BMX XXX is slated to appear November 19 on all three major consoles, PlayStation 2, Xbox and GameCube.
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Tigers outfield prospect Steven Moya has heard all about Jake Thompson, Detroit's highly touted right-handed pitching prospect.
He's read about Thompson's pinpoint fastball, and he's heard stories about his deceiving slider. But Moya never had the chance to face the 20-year-old Thompson. Until Sunday.
It didn't take long for the 6-foot-7, 240 pound Moya to witness firsthand what the hoopla surrounding Thompson, the Tigers' second-round pick in 2012, was all about.
Thompson needed just three pitches to dispose of Moya in the sixth inning, capped by an 83 mph slider for a called third strike in Sunday's All-Star Futures Game, an annual showcase featuring baseball's best minor leaguers.
"I had heard that he had been doing really good in the Florida State League," Moya said. "But I never expected him to be that good."
In all, Thompson needed just eight pitches to strike out the only two batters he faced in the United State's 3-2 win over the World at Target Field in Minneapolis. It extended a five-game winning streak for the U.S.
Thompson, who was credited with the win, entered the game with Team USA trailing 2-1 before Texas third base prospect Joey Gallo put his raw power on display with a towering two-run home run in the bottom of the sixth inning to give the U.S. team the lead for good.
"It's not the traditional win, but it's something I'll remember," Thompson said. "I'll take it. I didn't throw a full inning, but it's always nice to get a win anyway you can."
It marked just the second relief appearance at any level for Thompson, who has struck out all five batters he's faced as a reliever. But it's been Thompson's success as a starter this year that earned him an invitation to join Moya in Minnesota this weekend.
Named to the Florida State League All-Star Game last month, Thompson has been dominate this season with Single-A Lakeland, striking out 79 batters and limiting opponents to a .244 batting average en route to a 6-4 record and a 3.14 ERA.
The key behind his success? His fastball command. Ranked the Tigers' No. 3 prospect by fangraphs.com, Thompson has walked just 29 batters in 83 innings.
"I'm just using my fastball more," Thompson said. "I'm not just throwing it as hard as I can. I'm setting hitters up. That way, I don't have to show my offspeed."
Thompson's go-to pitch is his explosive slider, but in order to make his breaking ball more effective, getting ahead in the count is crucial. And his pitch sequence to Moya was a perfect example of what he's been able to do so well this season.
Thompson threw a fastball and a changeup, both for strikes, before he got Moya to watch his slider for a called third strike. Though, it was a questionable strike, joked Moya, who is ranked the Tigers' best power hitter according to Baseball America.
"It wasn't a strike," Moya said. "I didn't say anything to the umpire, but it was really inside."
Moya, who played left field and batted fifth for the world, finished 0 for 3 with a pair of strikeouts. He drew a walk in the fourth inning and struck out on four pitches in the ninth with the game-tying run on first base. But it was his at-bat against Thompson that was the topic of conversation after the game.
"Last year, when I saw him in spring training, he was just a regular pitcher," Moya said about Thompson. "But now, he's gotten really better."
Then again, so too has Moya, who has packed on 35 pounds since last year and has belted an Eastern League-leading 22 home runs for the SeaWolves this season.
"I'll get (Thompson) next year," Moya said with a smile. "When I see him in spring training next year, I'll show him."
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