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By Jill Dougherty and Mike Mount
With the election over, the Obama administration is releasing more information to Congress and journalists about the deadly attack on the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya. Post-election, the questions of the Obama administration's handling of the attacks continue, and the Pentagon and State Department Friday released information to try to further clarify decisions made before, during and after the attacks.
The information is the latest attempt by the various U.S. agencies to explain their role in the attacks which killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans. After being bombarded with requests from congressional committees for documents about the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, the State Department said Friday it has handed over a number of documents to Congress for review.
And Friday afternoon the Pentagon released and hour-by-hour timeline highlighting when Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and his senior commanders were told of the attacks and when decisions were made to move forces to assist. The information shows that the scramble to respond was not even close to being in a time frame to help fend off the attack, with special units only getting in position a half-day after the attack ended.
The Pentagon's timeline does not uncover any discrepancies from what has been said publicly by Panetta, but it does show that the first U.S. military troops to arrive in Libya in response to the attack came more than 14 hours after the initial attack began.
While the U.S. military was playing only a small role at the time in Libya, the timeline shows that some of the troops called up by Panetta had to travel long distances, while others were closer to North Africa.
Pentagon releases official timeline of Benghazi attack
But Pentagon officials and Panetta say that regardless of the time and distance, military forces could not be inserted until there was a better understanding of what was happening on the ground in Benghazi.
According to the timeline Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, were told of the attack about an hour after it started, as both men were on their way to the White House for an already scheduled meeting with President Barack Obama. Thirty minutes later the president was directing the Pentagon to do all it could to assist, according to senior Pentagon officials.
In a letter sent to members of Congress, including Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, Panetta explained there were no military forces close at hand to assist the Americans as they came under fire in the two attacks that night.
McCain and other Republican senators criticized Panetta's response.
"Over the past month, we and our colleagues have sent 13 separate letters to senior administration officials. ... Unfortunately, Secretary Panetta's letter only confirms what we already knew - that there were no forces at a sufficient alert posture in Europe, Africa or the Middle East to provide timely assistance to our fellow citizens in need in Libya. The letter fails to address the most important question - why not?" according to the joint letter by the senators.
"This question is all the more puzzling considering that the attack in Benghazi occurred on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in American history - a day when we know that our enemies around the world are plotting and planning to hit us again," according to the press release.
But Pentagon officials briefing reporters on the timeline said the military was aware of the significance of the date and U.S. facilities in 16 countries in Africa were operating on heightened alert that day, as well as being aware of several hundred reports indicating threats at U.S. facilities around the world.
"We were fully cognizant of the threats around that date ... we had forces situated to be able to respond. We are not omnipresent or omniscient," one official said.
Panetta has said that there was no advance notice of imminent threats to U.S. personnel or facilities in Benghazi ahead of the attack.
U.S. officials addressing claims that armed aircraft could have been sent in short notice to the scene to assist and repel attacks again said that would have been impossible to get those aircraft on scene in time.
"There were no alternative aircraft options available and those options would not have been feasible," according to the defense official. They were not feasible, officials have told CNN, because those aircraft, an AC-130 gunship and armed drones, would have created collateral damage and most likely killed civilians in the area as well Americans because there was no clear picture on the ground on exactly what was happening.
The timeline shows that the attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi started about 9:42 p.m. local time in Libya, and about 90 minutes later a surveillance drone was over the compound, but it was unarmed.
Three hours after the attack started, Panetta and other senior leaders discussed possible options for further violence if it was to break out. Panetta then gave verbal orders for Marine anti-terrorist teams from Rota, Spain, to prepare to deploy to Tripoli and Benghazi. Panetta also ordered a special operations force (SOF) team which was training in Croatia and an additional SOF team in the U.S. to prepare to deploy to a staging base in southern Italy.
As U.S. troops were moving, a second U.S. compound came under attack about eight hours after the initial attack, killing two former Navy SEALs acting as security contractors.
Five hours later, all U.S. government employees and the bodies of the dead were out of Benghazi and in Tripoli preparing to leave Libya. The U.S. SOF team training in Europe finally arrived to their Italian staging grounds about 10 hours after the Americans left Benghazi.
About an hour after that, a Marine anti-terror team arrived in Tripoli to secure the embassy there, and 30 minutes later the U.S.-based SOF team arrived at the Italian staging ground.
Pentagon officials said the second Marine team did not deploy to Benghazi because there were no longer Americans in the city.
The State Department has struggled with answering questions about its decision-making surrounding the attacks and said Friday it handed over documents to Congress, which has bombarded the department with requests from committees for documents on the attack, and there could be more.
"We have now made documents available to members and staff on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters.
Nuland said the department told the committees and their staff "they can see these documents as many times as they'd like to see them for as long as they'd like to see them."
One of the senators studying the documents Friday was Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Corker and with fellow committee member Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia, had written to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pressing for disclosure of all communications regarding security in Benghazi leading up to the attacks.
The senators complained in their letter that cables, e-mails and other communications regarding the security situation in Benghazi "had been leaked to some Congressional offices and media outlets, resulting in conflicting reports in the press."
Nuland denied accusations that the administration was withholding information, telling reporters, "We've really done our utmost under the secretary's instructions to be fully compliant, transparent and open with the Congress."
The documents, some of which are classified, are being provided to members of the House and Senate and their staffs who, Nuland explained, view them in rooms on Capitol Hill designated for dealing with classified information.
The State Department spokeswoman also said senior officials will be on Capitol Hill next week to brief members of Congress.
Tuesday, Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy and Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Eric Boswell will brief members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Wednesday, Kennedy and Boswell will brief members of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee.
Thursday morning, Kennedy will testify before the House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee; in the afternoon, he will testify before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Friday morning, he will brief the Chairmen and Ranking Members from the House.
All sessions will be closed to the public, Nuland said, at the request of Congress.
Clinton will not testify. Nuland said Clinton was asked by the House Foreign Affairs Committee but the State Department wrote back to the chairman to say that she will be traveling abroad next week.
Panetta is telling you what you do not wish to hear. We are hated in these countries that we took over by subversion and there are not enough Marines in the world to protect every single American who has gotten involved in these far flung escapades. It can not be done. Stevens was not at the embassy. He was 400 miles away from the Marines. Why? What was so important in Benghazi that could not be handled at the embassy? He sure waswnt processing visa applications out there. He was doing CIA work.
Everybody is going to run and hide what a crew
Now that CNN has taken time out from being Obama campaign headquarters, they're starting to actually report the news? What's wrong guys? You suddenly remember why you're here. No wonder Fox has you beat and you're reeling. Credibility as a news organization = 0.
The only sensable comments I've seen here are from Karl Yannish, well worth repeating:
"Benghazi is a hotspot in one of the most dangerous areas in the world, and unless you've been there, you don't know what you're talking about). NO ONE was lying – they were relaying information as it was relayed to them. Remember that no Americans were present on the ground to report the exact events – what do you NOT understand about that???"
"The Ambassador and the ex-Seals CHOSE to accept assignments in one of the most dangerous regions of the world. They were attacked by terrorists and killed. End of story."
If Stevens did in fact feel threatened, why did he remain there instead of returning to Triopli – with all due haste?
The Benghazi facility is NOT an embassy! Sure, Stevens is dead now and cannot answer for his decisions. However, his choosing to stay in Benghazi resulted in getting himself and others killed. What was so important in Benghazi that he could not leave and return to the safety of our embassy in Tripoli? Dead men can't testify! Investigate all you want, but the fact remains that Stevens is responsible.
Obama watched and did nothing while oue people died. He should resign in disgrace.
The republicans did cut the budget but so did the democrats. And the final amount that was cut was approved by the democratic senate. After trying to pin it on the reps. Pelosi admitted that the cuts in now way affected security.
Many of the people here criticizing the Benghazi response have watched too many old time western movies where the wagon train is under attack and all of a sudden the calvary appears over the hill and saves everyone. Sorry folks, in real life it doesn't happen that way.
Unless you work for the CIA or the DoD you don't have a clue as to what actually transpired. As Mark Twain once stated; "First get your facts; then you can distort them at your leisure."
I found this bit of information very interesting.... Airstrikes and military intervention of this type is always the presidents call......
' A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.
According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from. '
That CIA operative died. His name was Tyrone woods. His father is a lawyer and wants answers. He is not going away.
I cannot even believe how today's reporters suck. Are reporters just plain dumb, stupid? Are they required to pass a kiss my ass and suck my way deal to become one. Most of the nation hears them but also hates them. The reason why is most left wing liberal reporters have to lie or coverup to make a story. That is why left liberals cannot hold a radio talk station. The left doesn't have enough to lie about.
What the hell are you talking about?
The Left does not have "one" radio show. According to the you Tea sreggaB, the left has 99.99% of all of the radio shows! Keep it straight, fool.
You should try living your life without the voice-of-Limbaugh implant in your ear. Try thinking for yourself. Try reading a book...maybe even two books.
CNN has credibility issues according to an 11-3-12 interview with CNN Reporter Amber Lyons.....The "Most Trusted Name in News" must ultimately decide whether it's in the business of government propaganda or journalism, because despite the network's claims of objectivity, I learned firsthand CNN is having trouble biting the hand that feeds it. "I'll take this time to remind network executives of a quote by George Orwell, "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations."
oh NOW CNN is reporting on what happened in Libya AFTER the election, so convenient
This and the economy. This election will have an impact through out the world and the MSM covered big bird for 2 weeks before the election. If the MSM had not lied and covered up so much and Obama had won, it would be the peoples choice. But they jumped through hoops to cover up and hide the facts so in a sense rigged the election. I hope we can get back to letting the people make their own choices and not the choice of the media.
Obama was asleep according to news reports when themurders took place. In order for them to go in and help the Americans they needed him to say "GO". Thats why Petraeus was forced out today so that he won't testify to that truth. We need a President who is alert not drunk or drugged.We never had a President who fancies himself a rock star. I can't understand why he isn't charged with dereliction of duty and treason. He laughs about these charges about Libya because he knows his Chicago style thugs will protect him.
We did have a President that fancied himself a movie star. He also had Alzheimer. If I remember a little thing called Iran-Contra was a deal selling arms to the Iranians to help fund the Nicaraguan Contras Not one person went to jail and everyone that would have was pardoned by George H.W. Bush. How about the WMD we went to war with Iraq over that cost over 3000 lives and another 30,000 troops injured in Iraq? Bush drew us from the people responsible from 9/11 in Afghanistan to Iraq and a 9 year war there.
I will take any mistake President Obama made here over the crap that has preceded him.
If he made a mistake he should have admitted it and the media should not have white washed it. The facts should have been given so the voters could make an educated vote and not blinded by the garbage the media gave us.
How do we know if he made a mistake? All the facts are not in yet. Also we may not know all the facts to due to on going operations. Lets step back a minute and forget the politics(is that even possible?). When people talk about rushing troops the rescue it surprises me how many for get about the events of black hawk down and Battle of Takur Ghar. You don't just rush in troops without understanding the situation unless you want more people killed. The public watches to many movies.
Another disgrace on America. Please get to the bottom of this & do not bury the truth with those brave American heroes! And those who allegedly lied about this incident (ie: Hillary Clinton & Obama) please, please take steps to remove them from further responsibilities. We cannot afford another mistake like this!
So do you want them removed from office not matter what it found out or are you willing to wait for a full investigation?
If this is the olden days , Obama has already been tried for treason , convicted and what not . And he should have not be allowed to run for re -election. What is going on America? I feel so sad for this country 😦
That assertion is really ridiculous. Obama did nothing even remotely plausibly claimed to be treasonous in connection with the Benghazi tragedy. He had nothing to do with it.
When you say olden days, I guess you mean before the days of President Bush lying to us about WMD in Iraq and invading that country based on that lie.
Bush was wrong, so wrong for taking us into Iraq. Now can you admit that our sitting president was wrong in his handling of this situation? He was either too busy running for reelection that he wasn't in charge, he made bad decisions, or he left people in charge that did. He should not get a free ride.
He may have made mistakes but it is way to early to tell. People were wanting to place blame right after we found out our people were killed. My problem is instead of waiting for ALL the facts we want to rush to judgment now.
Anyone remember Richard Jewell? He was the guy that saved peoples lived 1996 Olympic bombing. People were quick to say he was the one responsible causing him to lose his job and go into depression. After a full investigation we find out it was the extreme right wing murder Eric Rudolph. A man responsible for killing 2 people and injuring over 150 more. Had the investigation stopped he would have killed more. So remember to hold judgment until ALL the facts are in unless you don't mind more people being killed.
Some Americans died in LIBYA of all places. Libya. Seriously. It's like saying someone died walking across a mine field.
It sucks they died. But really!
Bush was president when terrorists killed US citizens on US soil, but I still respect Bush because I know what evil people do is not his fault. Just like I know what evil people do in LIBYA is not Obama's fault.
And there is no super duper lying consipiracy... if there is then lets have some more talks about 9/11.. oh wait it is stupid to think that was a consipracy right?
The whole thing is stupid. Some evil morons killed some people, any anger should be at the evil people who did it, not anyone else.
Yea, here's an idea. Why don't you tell the families of the 4 dead Americans that the whole thing is stupid that their loved ones were killed because it was their fault for being in a dangerous place. Maybe they would have been safer if our Govt had done their job and provided adequate security after multiple warnings that the situation was getting worse. Or better yet, they should have just closed the Consulate and pulled them the hell out of there, just like the British and Red Cross did with their people.
Yea you tell Tyrone Woods father to his face that the whole thing is stupid, just get over it. You'd be lucky to make it to the hospital alive.
You are an idiot.
the tense you are looking for is the past subjunctive..."If this WERE the olden days" If this were the olden days, you would know how to speak English.
way to send in the calvary to help our American patriots. Wait a minute, maybe that's why Obama made the smart alec comment about horses & bayonets – he didn't have any calvary to send in. Now the explanation is that help was 10 hours or more away – come on common sense dictates that that is a falsehood, really, with all the turmoil in the Middle East 10 hours? I think not – I think cowardice is a much more believable explanation. It is a shame that American's serving their country in "war zones" can't count on help & will be hung out to dry. Bet that reduces the number of volunteers willing to go into harm's way. Leadership at its best!
Go easy on the critics. If your news station reported that Obama was magically watching the attack via drone that didn't get there until 90 minutes after the attack you would be confused too! And their news channel reported that Obama told them to stand down for reasons only they can imagine!
These reporters need to get a life. Nothing is cut and dried. Obviously their is confussion in these situations. There are areas that might need improvement but I do not believe that anybody in our govenment was very happy that this occured and they would have done anything to prevent it. Things happen, get over it.
liberals give obama free reign not responsible for anything 4 more years.
There were 12 such attacks at U.S. Embassies in the Middle East during W. Bush's Presidency. I don't see republicans blaming him for those attacks, or calling him incompetent.
You are missing the point . Obama LIED about every single details of this attack. He knew what was happening . He watched the live feed while our very own Americans were getting murdered and YET he did not give an order to help them . And after a couple of months , he is STILL LYING about it . He did not do his job as a commander in chief ...went to Vegas, did fundraising . The facts are right infront of our very eyes. WAKE THE ^%&% up.
Blue, what is your evidence that Obama watched live feed of the Benghazi tragedy? There is no such evidence.
Can't you liberals defend your president without bring up Bush? How long are you going to keep bringing up Bush? Can't your Obaaaaaama defend himself? You all are total i D iots!
We will keep bringing up Bush every time we have to pay the consequences for his actions as president. It takes great leadership in recognizing sending more troops into an unknown situation will get more people killed. Live video feed doesn't tell the whole story it only gives you and idea of what is happening. Do you think the president makes battle plans? No it is the generals that draw up battle plans and advise him. Based on the plans a decision is made on how to save the most amount of American lives.
Too pat; too convenient; the incurious media and Obama sycophants. Nothing wrong here, just a bunch of angry right wing, ignorant conservatives that live on lies and have recently been handed a lesson. The majority of comments here fit in with CNN and the rest of the media. The media chooses sides. The media, like the administration picks "winners." Lefties can freak out and say I drink the kool-aid and watch Faux News (wow, good one, kind of old though), but that changes nothing. It just means more people will miss extremely bad things happening right under their noses. Oh yeah, I know...Faux News and the Conservatives/Republicans were fooled...ha, ha, ha...they lost...ha, ha, ha. We all lost something whether you want to notice or not (not just the racism and stuff of course).
The surface for the new normal is being paved as we all read, rant and rave. To those that don't know any better, but think they do, you and we will get what you voted for.
The really funny thing is, is that most of the policies that Obama has implemented, are policies that were there, just hanging in limbo. They are also policies that had been in place for several years that Congress decided to toss out during the Clinton and Bush administrations. The only totally new thing is "Obamacare", and that was taken almost directly from a republican.
You realize that Watergate was broken by "liberal media". Major stories are broken by both sides of the political view but you guys won't let a non issue die. Yes an investigation needs to be made but let the facts come out first. And every freaking time something happens the right starts yelling IMPEACH! IMPEACH! Have you thought that maybe the job they were doing was dangerous and they were killed and no one was at fault except the the Gaddafi loyalists that did the attack?
All smoke..the report never addresses why protection was not provided in advance of 9/11. It just rambles on about what everyone did "after the attack" and how well they performed. Conclusion..the Administration was not prepared in advance to prevent the attack and loss of life, therefore someone was not doing their job to insure are people were protected. You can spin it anyway you want, but the truth is the Administration "failed" here and should be graded "F" for failure!!
They said in the article that there had not been any notice of an extra threat in that area, but that all embassies were supposed to have been on heightened security. Not only that, but CONGRESS cut funding to U.S. Embassy security not long before this.
All this bickering back and forth is not getting you anywhere.
Have a hearing before congress and put all people involved under oath.
We will find out what really happened and then we should be able to hold people responsible for any neglect of duty and incompetence.
American people deserve to find out the truth.
One thing guaranteed. The people trying their damnedest to work this into the biggest crime in the history of the world, have never once, not once, supported the president in anything he's ever done. They decided they hated him before he was even elected the first time. There will never be anything that he can do that they will not react to with ridiculously out of proportion negativity. Don't look to haters for facts.
and conversely cheryl, you are blindly loyal to your selected leader. In this situation, our troops were an hour away and this firefight went on for 6-7 hours. Somebody told somebody to stand down. The question is who. I've read some blogs stating one of the guys defending our compound shined his laser on where he thought the fire was coming from and it sounds like they only do that when they know they have air support.
There's absolutely no proof, and no reports by any other agency (other than Fox) that anyone was told to stand down. All reports say that Obama told them to do all that they could to help. Considering that these things have been happening long before Obama got in office, it makes it clear who the petty people are. In 1998, several U.S. embassies were attacked, killing 200 people and wounding 5,000. Attacks much like Benghazi and worse happened at least 12 times during the Bush administration. All of you saying Obama is completely at fault know nothing about history and what really goes on in the world.
Well, it does seem that either you are brainwashed or your intelligence ran down your fathers leg
And people who voted Barry don't care if he lied and people died.
You will cover for him because he is a Democrat so get off that high horse. Lets look at the known facts. They tried to blame it on a movie for 2 weeks even though within hours it was known to be a terrorist attack. They denied the refused extra security before hand. A few weeks ago in a congressional hearing several witnesses said yes it was denied or ignored. Then they said the republicans cut the budget but turns out more dems voted to cut it then reps. Now we are at the question of did they refuse to help while the attack was going on. This s what will be discussed in the next congressional hearing. Im thinking since the British intelligence said our response that night was one of utter incompetence there is going to be an awful lot of lying at this congressional hearing. My big question is the administration has said over and over that they didnt have time to respond with air strikes. How did they know they wouldnt have enough time? The attack was in progress and if it was over when they arrived they could have turned around, but there was never even an attempt.
The problem is we have four people dead and they were abandon and left on there own , the big questain is who gave that order . We know obama don't go intell meetings so it probley took him a hour to be brought up to speed , by now they knew it was Alqeada next questain how will this hurt my campain and then thinking the Ambassador would just be kidniped , obama order a stand down they can deal with this after the election.I wonder when obama will sell this country out and for what price another election who knows .
Obama as usual had his thumb up his butt and didn't have a clue what to do.
This is just more Obama derangement syndrome. I don't know if the people posting here really imagine themselves surrounded by intricate evil conspiracies (for which there is medication) or if their hatred of Obama for reasons completely unrelated to these conspiracy theories drives them to post whatever nasty fantasies they can come up with. In either case, it's terribly sad.
Within hours of this attack, Mitt Romney was accusing the President of sympathizing with the people who killed the Ambassador. A completely ridiculous and offensive claim. Clearly, to the Republicans this was more a political opportunity than a tragedy and that is how they continue to play it. The public didn't buy into their cynical plans to turn this into a scandal during the election and they won't fall for it now. People realize no administration can keep foreign staff in dangerous places safe 100% of the time. As witnessed by the lives lost under previous administrations. It wasn't a scandal then and it isn't a scandal now.
This is all you really need to know: "With the election over, the Obama administration is releasing more information." If the right thing had been done this info would have been released immediately.
If it were your family member I am sure you would have a different opinion. Maybe you should see the pictures of Chris Anderson again. There was time to rescue them no matter what you say. They were abandoned. The administration deliverately blew smoke up the ass of the American people. That is an insult. Now the vengence begins... Petraeus first, probably Hilary next.
"This question is all the more puzzling considering that the attack in Benghazi occurred on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in American history – a day when we know that our enemies around the world are plotting and planning to hit us again," according to the press release."
Please demonstrate this knowledge by facts. What attacks have happened on 9/11 since the twin towers. Your information should show a pattern. Is is possible that claims like that are only propaganda? Or is it something more sinister?
Here's the problem, Robrob. At least in movies it's pretend....In real life we have four brave Americans who are dead.
"...the military was aware of the significance of the date and U.S. facilities in 16 countries in Africa were operating on heightened alert that day, as well as being aware of several hundred reports indicating threats at U.S. facilities around the world."
So they had to cover HUNDREDS of threats across SIXTEEN countries and yet the military was able to secure Bengazi within 24 hours? Sounds like quite an accomplishment. What's the complaint? That it happens faster/better in the movies?
I think what is unfourtunate in this whole matter is: President Obmaa is either woefully incompetent (he was the only one who didn't know it was an actual planned terrorist attack) or he is a calculating liar. Not a very good choice. I can't see any middle ground here....I wish I could.
If an attack in 2012 on a US consulate office in an unstable country defines incompetence, what is an attack on US soil that killed 3000+ in 2001 or an invasion of Iraq in 2003 based upon lies and distortions of the truth? Yeah, that's incompetence.
Incompetence only makes you angry when its done by some people but not others?
In'st it "convenient" that Secretary Clinton will be out of town during the investigation...? The American people would much rather have her isghtseeing somewhere than answering a bunch of annoying, silly questions concerning the death of four American...
At this point, times lines don't mean a lot to me....they are either fabricated or they are not....My main question is why did President Obmaa lie about the nature of the attack? Did he really think he could get away with it? Isn't it time we demand him to come clean about the inept coverup?
>.My main question is why did President Obmaa lie about the nature of the attack? Did he really think he could get away
> with it? Isn't it time we demand him to come clean about the inept coverup?
My main question is, are the Republicans trying to fabricate a conspiracy where none exists as a ploy to muddy Obama's successes in the war(s)? Or is their fabrication something more ominous like telescoping the idea to our enemies that we are weak – so they will attack us under Obama's watch? I can't figure out which one it is.
To all of the Republicans here calling Obama incompetent, criminal, or whatever childish names you were able to think of, just remember; this is all your fault. If your alternatives hadn't been the biggest class of extremist crazies and unlikeable slimeballs, you might have been able to put a different president in the White House.
OMG, why didn't we attack Iraq immediately!
The entire attack was being viewed, via a drone transmission, in the situation room of the White House. After the seven hour attack was over Obama went upstairs to bed and then the next morning flew to Las Vegas for some more campaigning. What a wonderful commander-in-chief.
Assuming you are correct, what did you expect him to do? Grab his fire poker and jump in his teleportation chamber?
The Entire attack was not viewed at the White House. CAN YOU NOT READ!
Please provide facts to back up your spurious assertion about the drone intel.
He went upstairs to bed...this is based on the one article he spends time with his family? Or did you actually watch him do this.
Obama covered up a terrorist attack and failed to assist Americans who were under attack. Obama should be court martialled and jailed for negligence. But he won't be. The news media loves incompetence and hopes that America is again attacked because that sells the news. The truth is scary.
Are you on drugs?
We were attacked by organized extremists on 911 and our government was embarrassed by it so they blamed it on the 1st amendment.
It's not confusing.
It is interesting how this story now coming to light...Journalism is dead. Partisan reporting is alive and kicking!!
Yes, we know. But that was a long time ago and Bush said he was very sorry for it.
More information means that the WH has invented a timeline to cover it self.
Not as elaborate as the one Bush-Cheney used for 8 years to cover war crimes in Iraq and their dufus know it all excuses for the 9-11-01 attacks.
What is this nonsense?? NO ONE CARES. It happened in the armpit of the world. Let's concentrate on AMERICA folks..........GET OVER IT
You don't care that our embassy was over-run and our Ambassador as well as other Americans were killed?
You sound like an Obama voter.
This is the kind of drivel you get when you let the vodka tampon crowd vote.
Total incompetent! The White House, the State Department, DOD, all US intelligence agencies and CNN! Of course the White House is covering up the attack....of course DOD couldn't react because it might have killed some non-terrorist. This doesn't stop the drone attacks! But wait, we had to get permission to defend our people. Anyone who believes this isn't a complete failure of leadership hasn't a clue about the military. We spend 90 % of our training time working on situations we don't know what we will meet yet the Secretary of Defense said he couldn't commit troops because they didn't know the situation? And the live video feed, what was that? What will be interesting is to see if the media still covers up stories for President Obama's incompetency.
During the last REPUBLICAN administration from 2001 – 2008 our embassies and consulates were attacked TWELVE times. 64 were killed and 77 injured including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants in Pakistan in 2006. Where was outrage then?
AJ, there was no outrage from the far right wingnuts about the attacks while Bush was President because he was a white republiKKKan. Guys like Larry will only be satisfied if President Obama goes on national televison and proclaims that he ordered his Muslim brothers to attack the embassy and kill our personnel, and that he personally ordered all defensive units to stand down until our embassy personnel were dead.
Larry is typical of the way Fascists work. They don't bother with facts and truth. They pretend to have special knowledge and insight. They may actually believe that our military is capable of being everywhere and doing everything at any time with perfect precision strike capabilities because they live in a fantasy land.
Perhaps, if Bush had not done so very much to make people around the world hate Americans we would not face issues like this one. But, don't expect guys like Larry to be objective or realistic. They are still reeling from the shock of Obama being re-elected and they are not about to allow facts to get in the way of what they believe. It's just the way they play!
That many dead huh?
Larry, had we not taken over Libya by proxy last year, this whole stupid incident would never have happened in the first place. This idiotic policy needs to be done away with but won't, unfortunately. This is why the Muslims hate us so!!!
Larry, last night I saw the National Geographic channel movie "SEAL Team Six: The Raid on Osama bin Laden". I suggest you watch it and then go back over all the news releases at that time. It defies all credibility that the same people who authorized invading Pakistan and are responsible for killing Bin Laden are incompetent in any measure.
Rapid reaction forces are not instantaneous and live intelligence gathering does not mean omnipotence. Like most armchair quarterbacks you know better than the experts, the professionals who do this for a living. Both Secretary of Defense Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, where directly involved and when they briefed the President they were instructed to do all they could to assist.
Finally we do not live in a world where it is acceptable to indiscriminately kill dozens to hundreds of civilians in military rescue operations. Collateral Damage Assessments have played a critical role in the decision making of every administration which has taken actions in the Middle East/North Africa. Obama was likely given options, one of them was a high collateral damage option, and he likely told them to do everything possible to minimize collateral damage. I am sure Obama and his administration will be vindicated in the upcoming Senate hearings.
Are you people defending the president really that completely naive?
Some of you are saying that the Republican Congress cut funding for embassy security across the board. If that is true then WHY on 9/11 was there a full Marine contingent at our embassies in France, Britain, Spain, Italy.....????? I can go on and on with other embassies with FULL SECURITY CONTINGENTS. Doesn't seem like funding was cut that far for these embassies to not be secured in countries that are generally friendly to Americans. But on 9/11, with no security taken from embassies that didn't need the security, our ambassador, an assistant, and 2 SEALS are SLAUGHTERED in a country and region of Earth that is so far from friendly it boggles the imagination.
Are you people really that naive to believe that an AC130 was not orbiting the area hours before the SEALS died a 4am. What in the world were the SEALS pointing lasers at intended targets for. These are not laser pointers, these are highly sophisticated devices that only the AC130 and Predators will home in on and destroy. The only thing that wasn't onsite was our President's resolve. We had heroic individuals onsite that gave their last full measure of devotion to our county and you naive individuals think this is a non-story. You naive individuals are totally foolish.
There is credible evidence here to implicate the President in a coverup of the facts.
We shall wait and see what the official verdict is, not from someone blogging on CNN. Have a nice day!
Woah. I think you need to take a break from Call of Duty and Faux News and get some sunlight, but on the other hand I would like to thank you for starting out my morning with a good laugh. the paranoid right is getting worse by the day
You leave out the fact that the Benghazi facility is NOT an embassy!
Since Stevens felt that security was not adequate, why did he choose to stay there? He should have returned to Tripoli where he would be safe in a real embassy!
No one ordered Stevens to go to Benghazi, he should have gotten himself and his people out before 9/11! He chose to say. Stevens made the mistake. Let's put the blame where it belongs.
Paul Ryan voted to cut spending for diplomats security, is he so innocent?
Are you people condemning the president really that completely naive?
Do you actually believe that the President of the United States micromanages the deployment of military resources, or that we have unilateral rights to invade any country in the world where Americans may be just because we are Americans? How utterly stupid can you possibly be? You didn't have a problem when all those embassy attacks killed all those Americans under Bush's watch! Where was your outrage then?
Where was your outrage when American soldiers killed innocent men, women and children in some occupied land for no reason other than they were not American? Where was your outrage when Bush illegally sent our military into Iraq using lies and manufactured evident of WMDs to justify his plot to kill Hussein?
You pukes make me sick! You are precisely what is wrong in America. You would be much happier in a Hitler-like Fascist country that thinks it has the right to just invade the whole world anytime it does not like what is happening. How would you feel if other countries did that to us? Then, you would REALLY be outraged!
I make you sick? Spoken like a true blue, open minded, all inclusive, nobody left behind, liberal. Always a double standard.
Wes is the same type of liberal who gives all the credit for the SEAL Team Bin Laden raid to Obama. Two faced hypocrites, all of them.
Have all you military experts forgotten the Battle of Mogadishu and "Blackhawk Down"? That battle resulted in approximately 20 US military KIA, 80 wounded, and 1 helicopter pilot captured. Helicopters were shot down with RPGs. And that was with huge military forces in the immediate area. Plus it resulted in hundreds maybe thousands of civilian deaths.
We now know that the CIA, and at least one of the SEALs, was involved in an operation tracking Libyan weapons which had been looted from arms depots (including SA-7 handheld anti-air missiles) and maybe assisting in their transfer to Syrian rebels. Fox News is suggesting that the Ambassador went to Benghazi to have a meeting over these weapons transfers. Given that those weapons were in Libyan militia hands, it is entirely feasible that those assaulting our Libyan compounds were also armed with SA-7s to defend against aerial assault. How much did this play a part in the military response? How much of a part did the need to have sufficient forces on hand to rescue the rescuers play?
So why didn't they use the gunship if it would have been a slam dunk, thank you Mam, if they did? The gunship was most likely eliminated as an option due to the high risk of unacceptable collateral damage and friendly fire casualties. I am sure that this is what we will find out at the upcoming Senate Hearings.
Republicans blame the victims when it's politically expedient. The U.S. was attacked and 4 people were killed. So now it's the administration's fault. But on 9-11 they didn't blame Bush, they attacked Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9-11. Republicans continue to live in a fantasy world.
Also, during the last REPUBLICAN administration from 2001 – 2008 our embassies and consulates were attacked TWELVE times. 64 were killed and 77 injured including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants in Pakistan in 2006. Where was outrage then?
Those other attacks did not go on for hours. I blame Pres. Obama for lying about the video causing this attack and his refusal to supply any facts prior to the election. And I think Sec. Clinton didn't do enough to protect her people who were warning the State Dept after having already suffered 2 attacks. If she didn't know that is also a big problem. Has Sec Panetta decided it is better to let Americans die than send relief and/or chance civilian casualties? This is something that our people overseas need to know.
Oh they didn't go on for hours?
Can you please give me the timeline for each of those attacks since you know so much about them?
Your BS stinks!
Republicans blame the victims??? Then you are saying that Barack Obama is a victim. In his mind I guess you are right. A full fledged terror attack on our embassy just did not fit Obama's narrative for his campaign. One more point, in the days after 9/11 President Bush NEVER blamed a video and a protest that got "out of hand". He was unafraid to call evil, evil.
Obama thought BENGHAZI was in up dtate New York?
Really Dave a dtate?
As I heard the story Bush was told that Bin Laden was in Afghanistan and he sent the troops to Iraq.
His quote was "they won't expect that !"
Hey CNN, why are my post going nowhere? No foul language, no nasty comments, nothing to cause a stir.....
They do it to me too sometimes. Try saying nice things about Obama like, let me see,,,,I'm thinking....wait,,,no not that...hhhmmmm tougher than I thought...Sorry can't help you....If something comes to mind I will send another reply
That's interesting seeing how I am pro-Obama. Oh well, let me click "post" and see what happens.
It worked that time. Maybe they got the message!
The true "failures and mistakes" made in Benghazi were made by Ambassador Stevens. Obvioulsy, he felt threatend yet when additional security was denied why did he stay there? Stevens put himself and others in danger. He should have left Benghazi and returned to Tripoli. Why did he stay? This should be the primary question!
Your name is Stan, short for Stanley, that about says it all
At least I'm not ashamed of my given name! What could "DT" mean?
Answer my question! Try to contribute instead of making an a** of yourself.
Serious discussion would make this much more meaningful
Don't go there when Willard was so ashamed of his first name he even lied during a debate about it stating: Yes Wolf, Mitt really is my first name.
He wasn't a Berkeley student hiking in Iran. He was doing his duty. He was left vulnerable because Obama wanted to be able to say that we didn't need "boots on the ground". Blaming him is a new low.
This administration is still trying to run out the clock, hoping that it gets buried in the daily news and continues to get pushed back. Well, I for one, will not let this go. They need to answer for the deaths of these 4 brave human beings who are really dead and their families are left behind to suffer. They are still suffering and we can't let this get swept under the rug. I heard that the morale of the U.S. service men and woman, accross all, is about as low as it can get. They now know that their government is NOT there to protect them. SCREW Obama and all his cronies.....Valerie Jarrett being at the top of that list. She is evil!!
Your side lost the election...get over it.
Yeah, we lost but America is the bigger loser. Who will Obama blame in another four?
During the last REPUBLICAN administration from 2001 – 2008 our embassies and consulates were attacked TWELVE times. 64 were killed and 77 injured including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants in Pakistan in 2006. Where was outrage then?
The attack on the Benghazi consulate has been blown totally out of proportion compared to previous attacks on U.S. Embassies, Consulates and compounds.
Anyone that doesn't believe everything humanly possible was done in Benghazi to protect the consulate is delusional.
In the now famous speech Romney made to his loyal supporters in Florida where he talked about the 47%, he also made this statement saying he would use a hostage crisis or a situation where Americans died to gain favorability.
"And yet, in that election, in the Jimmy Carter election, the fact that we had hostages in Iran, I mean, that was all we talked about. And we had the two helicopters crash in the desert, I mean, that was the focus, and so him [Reagan] solving that made all the difference in the world. I'm afraid today that if you simply got Iran to agree to stand down on nuclear weapons, they'd go, 'Now hold on. It's really a…' I mean, if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
Using the deaths of U.S. diplomatic personnel to further a political agenda is disgusting.
And your proof is what? Based on your 1/2 hour of watching the news each night.....and then off to watching Jepeordy? I think your point of reference is suspect and probably hair thin. Educate yourself before you call everyone other than yourself delusional. Jus' Sayin'.....
Watch all news, all outlets, compare and make the most accurate analysis I can. Spend about 3 to 4 hours easy everyday. How many coincidences does it take before one starts to wonder. Benghazi, Drone shot down, Panetta announcement right after election. The Valerie Jarret thing (not sure about that one yet) unless the good people in Iran can produce the pictures they claim they have. Just all coincidences though. That or a bad case of tunnel vision.
Karen, I would not call you delusional. I would call you a patently stupid Fascist racist who cannot believe that Obama defeated magic underwear Mitt from the planet Kolob who thinks that all humans can become god, and that you are having a very hard time with Libya while turning a blind eye to what jnpa has been saying that during the last REPUBLICAN administration from 2001 – 2008 our embassies and consulates were attacked TWELVE times. 64 were killed and 77 injured including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants in Pakistan in 2006.
Feel better now?
It's not about the attack. It's about trying to minimize it and push the blame onto critics of Islam.
If Obama was a republican and tried that, you'd be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.
How slimy of Obama to wait until after the election. CNN and media helped Obama cover up the scandal by ignoring much of the story. CNN has no credibility and is just a propaganda agency for Obama.
Is it not just amazing that Panetta, the affair and resignation happened right after the election. A drone shot down Nov 1st which is considered an act of war happens to be a top secret mission so we could not say anything. How long did they know about Panetta which is considered a huge security breach as the head of the CIA is loaded with classified information. Announced on a friday, just coincidence...And the video and Benghazi. You know what happens when you roll a snowball down a hill it just keeps getting larger. Same theory and effect when you keep distorting the truth. I'm sure you will get the correlation here. Starting to feel a little foolish all ya Obama supporters, just wait a couple months
It was Gen. Petraes who resigned, NOT Panetta! Pay attention!
And might I add to your post....this. Isn't it strange that all these things that happened before the election are now coming to light. Gen. Petraes' resignation, the drone strike by Iran.....both of these were known about before the election. It is sick how they fester and plan all in the name of "appearances". Thank God for information other than the main stream media. If I had to depend on them alone, I would be talking like half the people on this post. Un-informed. They watch CNN or MSNBC for 1/2 hour and then watch their game shows and THEN consider themselves informed. UGH....
There is nothing strange about the timing of all these events. They were very carefully calculated and orchestrated to drive Fascists like you absolutely nuts, and the plan is working to perfection. You should just get together with Ted Nugent and put an end to your misery by offing yourselves. The world would instantly be a better and happier place.
During the last REPUBLICAN administration from 2001 – 2008 our embassies and consulates were attacked TWELVE times. 64 were killed and 77 injured including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants in Pakistan in 2006. Where was outrage then?
We did not have a president who was so very skilled at lying and covering up then. Also, President Bush did not have CNN and MSNBC in his back pocket. Example: Chris Matthews stating that Hurricane Sandy was a good thing because it helped Obama look presidential.
You mean skilled like telling the world there were WMDS in Iraq when it was complete BS?
That kind of lying? Oh yeah no skill there..
Well, Remember the Maine. History course. . The Maine was sunk in Havana Harbor in 1856, with the loss of over 250 lives, and we STILL do not know how it happened. Two newspaper men J. Pulitzer and Wm. H. Hearst were fighting for circulation and insisted that it was a bomb. Hearst sent F. Remington to Havana to get pictures. Remington requested to come back saying that there was no war. Hearst replied, "You get the pictures, I'll get the war". and he did. Within a year we were in the Spanish American War. This was the sourse of the term "yellow journalism".
This seems exactly what Murdock's Fox network is doing with the Bengazi incifent. Even to the yellow banners often topping off its site. The public does not need to know everything in a developing situation that could compromise the investigation and relations with a barely stable country. Libya is hunting/punishing the murderers, and we do not need to be publishing every detail. In spite of Fox news we are not at war.
There is much more info about the attack on consulate in Benghazi then public know.
One of the european US Ambasadors knew about all the details of the incoming attack in Libya
Ch,Stevens was warned he may die, but he has ignored everything, didn`t believe- till it was too late.
You play a lot of football Monday mornings don't you?
Everyone should be concerned that the press have been reduced to being the mouthpieces of political parties.
Fox News is the mouthpiece of the RNC. The RNC picked Romney even before the Republican primary started and Fox News didn't even pretend to be neutral. They shielded Romney from all criticism and kept attacking his opponents.
Every other news outlet is the mouthpiece of the Democrats. They shielded Obama from all criticism and kept pounding Romney. It's hard for me to feel sorry for Romney, since this is the same thing he was doing to his opponents via Fox News.
What can we, the people, do to make the press independent? Can we, regardless of our political affiliations, call the press out when they abandon their integrity as journalists?
I agree!!! The media needs to do their job. Give the facts and only the facts. Give the voters all the facts and let them make their own educated choice. When a media covers big bird for 2 weeks before the presidential election in the biggest country in the world. An election that will affect the whole world, they are not doing their jobs. The voters though could do a better job also of investigating their options. They should cut the media out and what politicians tell you is t he truth. Read bills and read their records. Make an educated choice and not vote the opinion of the nightly news anchor.
Statements like your prove that the US really is far behind the rest of the world in education. We are neither the largest country in terms of land mass or population. China, with over 1.3 billion people, is the largest by population, and is about 4.5 times larger than us. India, with over 1.2 billion people, is more than 4 times larger than us.
Please try to educate yourself before making statements that are so easily refuted. With access to the Internet there is no excuse for saying what you did.
I believe you are correct. That is why CNN and MSNBC have lost their following because they are so biased. More and more people moved to Fox AND to the internet for their news. Unfortunately, not enough did this in time for the election and therefor we are stuck with this socialistic ass who wants to do nothing more than fundamentally CHANGE this country. HE is off to a good start. We are falling off many cliffs at this point.
The primary problem with our press and media today is that there are very few journalist! What we are fed is from "reporters", whose sole job is to create headlines! Nothing else. Headlines are not journalistic reports! We don't have any Walter Cronchites today! "Entertainment" and "ratings" is all that matters.
Being first with a story is more important than doing the work!
so they WERE withholding info before the election.. what a bunch of press lackeys we have in this country. it really is sickening how corrupt the press has become
Absolutely. Our media journalists need to be replaced by true reporters who report the truth, omit nothing, expose wrongdoing and stop filling the peoples' heads with lies. They are guilty of distortion of democracy with their bias FOR the DEM party.
If this happened under a Republican administration, there would be a scandal. But since this happened under Obama's administration, it's like what he says: "Let's move forward." So glad that he has CNN to cover for him and in his pocket. What lies next for Americans overseas and in this country?
During the last REPUBLICAN administration from 2001 – 2008 our embassies and consulates were attacked TWELVE times. 64 were killed and 77 injured including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants in Pakistan in 2006. Where was outrage then?
When a Republican administration let 3,000 Americans die on 9/11 – what complaints did you have then?
To all who lean on the crutch of "FOX NEWS LIES" – please list specific, accurate & verifiable examples of your claims.
Thanks in advance & I look forward to hearing from you!
Why waste time on educating you. Go to school.
Thanks for proving my point. You were given a chance to backup the common claim that "Fox News lies" by simply stating proof of an example, yet you throw out a meaningless & cowardly attack on my education instead.
Really not worth my time but lets see, Nov 1st, act of war, Iran...kept silent...One hearing on Benghazi already, Learned attack was watched in real time. A month before attack, emergency meeting because of lack of security requested repeatedly from Chris Stevens. 4 days after attack white house still claiming video caused attack. REALLY..you are a tool..I served Vietnam Sarge..You probably call yourself sarge when your playing wih your GI Joe's..And by the way all facts that have been verified.
I keep seeing surprise in certain posts that Iran is at war with the US. We the US sabotaged their centrifuges, remember Stuxnet? Obama has stated that cyber war is war. Is retaliation a stunning surprise?
1st & foremost, thank you for your service to our country in Vietnam.
2nd, I can't be alone when I say your "examples" of Fox News allegedly lying are muddled & murky at best. I've read your post twice, yet I fail to see your "verification" that Fox News lied anywhere in there.
3rd, let's be adults & not call names – I'm not a tool if I'm merely asking for someone to backup their often sweeping generalizations.
Reply to Sarge for post of November 10,2012 2:46 AM
I address the exact post by Sarge since this board sometimes does not put the reply in the correct position. Here are two examples of Fox lies both by Sean Hannity.
Blatant Lie
w w w (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=h172eAPdPFo
Fake Video Footage Used On A News Story
w w w (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=JS1NWYV1i_E
I can play that game to, lets see, Oh yeah how about the footage where Crowley said the president said it was a terror attack. No link needed, I am sure you saw that. Or pretty much anything that comes out of Borger's mouth. Try again, Hannity is not fox news. The actual news from fox is not a show you selectively want to use. That is why it is called THE SAUN HANNITY SHOW.....I repeat SHOW. My little puppet friend, you need to go back to playing your video games and let mommy and daddy know you were bad and you will not touch the adults computer again...
There are entire websites proving it. Your (intentional) ignorance isn't our problem.
foxnewslies (.) net
I don't understand why we're still talking about Benghazi. There's zero evidence that Obama did anything wrong, let alone the straight up watching soldiers die on camera while cackling maniacally some people seem to be implying. It's clear cut by any actual hard evidence we've seen that whatever moron decided it was a good idea to have so little security on an embassy in such a dangerous area should be fired, and I really doubt decisions on the minutiae of the security detail in Libyan embassies are in Obama's day-to-day. This is probably the most clear-cut situation to come out of Libya since the revolution started, but since this is an election year we have to have a ridiculous Benghazi-gate circus and politicize the death of two soldiers, directly in opposition to the wishes of at least Glen Doherty's family.
If you wanna talk politics, talk about the real issues. This is manufactured controversy at its absolute worst.
I knew the 47% would finally come out of the woodwork. Don't worry you get to keep your Obama phone.
I hope you realize the so called "Obama Phone" program was initially started by Ronald Reagan (land lines) and extended to cover cell phones by George W. Bush.
res ipsa loquitur
I notice how you avoided any of the actual points in the argument and focused on the minutia.
Oh by the way, Let's just wait till the hearings...Then all them lies will be taken care of. Truth has a way of finding a way to the surface. Your puppet master got his wires tangled a bit.Dance little puppet dance
You're so cute when you're angry, and I suspect you are going to remain "cute" for the next 12 years (4 years of President Obama and 8 years of President Hilary Clinton.)
The GOP will eventually host a Jim Jones KoolAid party for its faithful followers in order to mitigate its embarrassment and shame.
Yea, so what if it is true? Do you think that people aren't capable of finding the news elsewhere. So apparently, there was no administration attempt at hushing the story because it was CLEARLY available, according to your comment, at many other news organizations. Fail........start your own news outlet if you want to dictate what is published and what is not....otherwise STFU and go back to FOX
I have a one way ticket to Bengazi waiting for you.
obama is the guy refused to send help to those people in Bengazi , He's just as guilty of murder as if the bastalonian had pulled the trigger himself and thats a fact.
You are really stupid...your fact are not facts.
You got it wrong!
Stevens went to Benghazi on his own accord, no one ordered him to go! He felt threatened and insecure, but stayed there instead of returning to Tripoli where he would be safe. Stevens screwed up! The Benghazi compound is NOT an embassy! Since he felt security was inadequate, he should have left – especially before Sept. 11. Sure, no one wants to put blame on a dead man, especially a very capable man. But seriously, Stevens screwed up!
Wow, the election must be over...CNN has finally acknowledged the story on Benghazi. All the real journalists on each of the real news services were covering it while CNN kept it off their website. Even Aljazeera and the BBC were covering it.
Hindsight is perfect. On the other hand one would have thought better security would have been in place for such a volatile area.
Because Congress agreed to send them there. You sound like a liberal nut job. Don't we all learn in like elementary school and high school that the president cannot send us to war on his own. Your very own Joe Biden voted to send them to war. And when we went to war 47-60% of Americans supported it.
You contanstly bring up Bush but he is not the issue here. The issue is whether a coverup exists or not. People refused to answer question typically end with them trying to hide something.
Funny how people are hyocrits criticizing fox news but at least they are asking questions. CNN and mainstream media is just so fair and balanced when it comes to Obama.
the president can take military action for somewhere near 90 days before congress has to declare war.
Don't confuse him with facts.
funny hahahhaha a spanish women killed her self today because of spain is bankcrupt and she losed her home hhahahahahah soon china will nuke britain australia new zealand and ireland.
I am Canadian and tried several times to advise you people to vote for Mitt Romney – Almost did it but not enough. Now CIA guy has an affair – the guy who handles the money wants out – everybody is running from him. The best would be if he could get impeached and if Romney would then still have a chance but I know that is dreaming.
Anyway American People you saw it coming and chose to stay for another 4 years of what you had for the last 4 years except it will be worse – He will need to make more appearances on the view during the day. Hey the people on Long Island are still out of power – why is he not out there holding their hands – oh sorry forget election is over.
Hi Shirley. May I ask why you insist on showing your ignorance? Romney? We have a president, dearie. Voted in Twice, ya all hear? Why not stick to your own countries "issues" and quit insulting our President. Get it? Attend some quilting bee's, have lunch.
I'm Canadian too...part of the sane majority. Thanks you for keeping the Crazy Party out of power for another four years. Trust me, the majority of Canadians thank you.
You think you know a lot. What you know amounts to squat. You have a lot of opinions and NOTHING else. I also seriously doubt you are Canadian. All the Canadians I have even known have some semblance of intellect which you clearly do not possess.
So you're from Canada, Eh? : )
You sound mentally ill. By the way, Petraeus is a Republican. Go figure.
Thank heavens that all Canadians are not as dense as you, eh?
"Now CIA guy has an affair – the guy who handles the money wants out – everybody is running from him. "
You are seriously claiming Petraus started an affair months ago just so he could resign after the election? Wow...
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. I wonder how McCain's fantasy football team is doing?
Have you ever noticed that armchair generals are always brilliant the day after an attack?
Apparently a lot of people think "24" is a reality TV show.
Wonder what next weeks story will be on this complete disregard of our people abroad.
James, just who do you picture was there at that "annex" so soon after Ghaddifis murder and the tribal clans were waving their US supplied weapons in the air? You think the typing pool had picked out there new drapes? What is with you people? We were the key catalysts/enablers in that chaos, and may I pose the guess it was CIA/Pentagon calling ALL the shots. They were pros and they were all volunteers. They knew the risks, there were career points to be made, and most live(d) for the get-off of being in that spot. In that havoc, some GS12 in an office with a red phone may have "called the shots". You folks are cramming structure into chaos. Chaos we helped create.
Pleased to see this article on CNN. Sad and disappointed in their abominable failure to cover it pre-election. After our Navy killed bin laden, el Pres said "As a country, we will never tolerate our security being threatened, or stand idly by when our people have been killed. We will be relentless in defense of our citizens. We will be true to the values that make us who we are." I wish he and his administration remembered that after the first and second prior attacks on our embassy. Election is over, now let's have the truth.
The truth is, Harold, that you lost, and you just can't get over it.
You lost. Get over it.
The Republican Party is so out of touch with mainstream America that soon you will march into irrelevancy.
By the way, did you read the article in the Wall Street Journal that showed the most educated and least educated states in the US? Every single one of the most educated states in the US voted for Obama. All of the least-educated states but one, Nevada, voted for Romney.
Keep on marching.
Why closed to the public. What happened to transparency?
He's a lame duck now. No need to keep up the false pretenses...
Funny, I don't recall the WMDs in Iraq having any transparency.. until it was apparent that there WERE NONE!!
Up until that point, it was "top secret intelligence"
So apparently one administrations lack of transparency is not an issue for you – despite the 4000 soldiers dead.
But NOW you have an issue with it all of a sudden?
Obama promised transparency. Bush didn't. Obama lied, but you don't care as long as you get yours, huh?
Actually I don't really care about transparency.
I just wanted to deviate the conversation away from Libya. As Bush would say "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"
I just wish there was an aircraft carrier behind me, so I could dress up in my draft dodger national guard uniform.
Transparency does not mean that everything will be unclassified.
Why don't we let the professionals handle this investigations first and then we can start putting on our tin-foil hats?
To know what happened-hand out the false video blame-and then go to Vegas–a lot of people in high places should step down.......I don't know how they sleep at night...The media need to follow this story not covey up for Obama
untrue ... security could have been proactively inserted based on 3 decades of intelligence ... we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that those places were not safe.
As Ambassador stevens HIMSELF wrote just three weeks before in a cable to Sec. of State Cinton.
A pack of lies. There are ALWAYS airplanes and troops on the ready at Sigonella who could have been there in just over 1 hour. Someone deserves to lose their job over this, and I know who it should be...
I want to know why we got 4000 soldiers killed over WMDs that never existed !
Explain that to me first!
Because they DID exist.
Oh thanks for the update Sherlock.
Apparently you are the only one in the world who was informed of this.
Okay, here it is, one more time:
There WERE WMDs in Iraq. And we got them.
We knew they were there because we are the ones who sold them to Saddam, and had to clean up our mess. But there apparently weren't ADDITIONAL WMDs manufactured by Saddam, a-la the mobile labs we were told about. Or there were, but certain parties we needed would be damaged if it were known, so it wasn't reported.
Got it?
No there were NONE..
Quit rewriting history. I know you voted in that administration, got 4000 dead, and are embarrased, but that's on you:
Please see below:
It must suck being wrong, doesn't it?
Yes wired.com, that bastion of journalistic integrity..
That "fact check" is 2 years behind. The troops found several stashes.
maybe if you get your head out of the hole downstairs you could learn something first anything you read on this website is liberal media read some fox news and then compare fox news conservative cnn liberal
If you could turn the station from faux news and Rush (pass me some more meds) Limbaugh..
you'd know that factcheck is a well respected organiaztion
Come on did you guys even read the article? Tell me you at least read past the headline? Please?
They found trace elements of WMDs that could have gone back as far as 30 years – at some point during the Saddam-Era. This is what you want to tell our widows that their husbands died for? Trace elements of WMDs that were long destroyed for decades?
When they couldn't find one stinkin barrel? And we all know they tore that country apart. If they found even 1 barrel it would have been all over Fox News.
But TRACE elements? That's what you're going with? 4000 dead and you think that trace elements that they can't even pin to a timeframe justifed that?
Now I know you're hillbillys from a southern state, because you're just not that bright.
Cur thanks for the insight. Good points there.
Got my info from the NSA, which I'll trust over that bastion of journalistic integrity, MSNBC. But believe whatever you like, Phred.
trace elements from an undetermined timeframe is not proof of anything. They couldnt find ONE STINKING BARREL in the entire country.
Like I said, had they found anything it would have been front page news on Fox for months.
In the absence of such detail, I have no choice but to believe the facts. There were none.
Why explain anything. You wouldn't understand it anyway so why should we waste effort trying to educate you? Stick to something you've likelier to "get", like mastering the TV remote.
"We knew they were there because we are the ones who sold them to Saddam, and had to clean up our mess. But there apparently weren't ADDITIONAL WMDs manufactured by Saddam, a-la the mobile labs we were told about. Or there were, but certain parties we needed would be damaged if it were known, so it wasn't reported."
What minimal WMD were found were all remnants of pre-Desert Storm (1991) munitions, well expired and quite likely "lost" in the accounting process. Not one single round of current manufacture was found. No mobile labs. No bio-labs. No nukes. The UN's inspectors were right – THERE WERE NO WMD.
Nice claim of "facts" without a lick of evidence.
It took 5 minutes for them to answer questions about Bin Laden. It will take about 9 months to answer questions about the murders in Libya and they definitely will not tell the truth about it. Everybody knows that. Attention: Republicans, let all the taxes expire over the cliff - what's the difference, we're going down the tubes anyway with this President. He only wants to win all the time, he's got a screw loose.
LOL, this guy is like, decrepit.
Obama turned his back on them? What are you talking about? The story clearly states that as soon as Obama was briefed on the matter, he got on the phone and ordered the Pentagon to provide all the assistance that was necessary. Obama demonstrative decisive leadership. You are so partisan that all you want to do is blame Obama. And I am sure that after 3000 people were killed under the watch of Bush you were calling for his resignation too, right?! Give me a break. Pres. Obama, we thank you for your leadership.
Bologna, There was a live feed going to the White House from the drone that was flying over the embassy within minutes of the start of the attack.
So within 90 minutes he's directing the pentagon to do eveything they can. That means within 90 minutes he knew it was an attack, not a protest gone awry, but a planned attack with weapons no one would have at a protest. And it took 2 weeks to for him to quit saying it was the result of a youtube video? It took 2 weeks for him to say it was an attack? And why are they releasing this now, if this really made the President look good, it would have come out before the election.
"So within 90 minutes he's directing the pentagon to do eveything they can. That means within 90 minutes he knew it was an attack, not a protest gone awry, but a planned attack with weapons no one would have at a protest. "
Enormous leap of logic there. Do you play a lot of football Monday mornings?
I completely agree. The crazed conservatives lost the election, and this is all they have left. It's so frightening for them to be the minority, I guess. They've pretty well marginalized themselves, and this is how they feel relevant. Thank you President Obama for your strength and service to ALL of America, even these folks.
Hey, guess what ya RW goons. President Obama gets another 4 years, and your party of lies is falling to pieces in a hurry. It burrrrns dont it? Ouch. A few more lost congressional seats as well. Ouch. The burning.
And we still control the House, and picked up a few more seats there, so what's your point?
I'm still waiting to find out why we attacked Iraq and got 4000 of our finest soldiers killed over WMDs that DIDNT EVEN EXIST!!
– What was the timeline for that?
– Where was the evidence? The emails?
– Why were we lied to?
This wasn't negligence this was a conspiracy at teh highest levels of government! Why isn't anyone being held accountable?? This wasn't an accidental oversight – this was planned from the start and not a single conservative wants that imformation leaked!! The murder of our men, women and children to even the score in a Bush family dispute.
Why isn't Bush in jail for this?
Because Congress agreed to send them there. You sound like a liberal nut job. We all know the president cannot send troops to war on his own. Your very own Joe Biden voted for both wars. And when we went to war 47-60% of Americans supported them. How quickly everyone forgets how the outrage after 9/11.
You clearly have the common misconception that former President George W. Bush "lied" to the American people (& the rest of the world) about Saddam Hussein possessing W.O.M.D's. This was not a lie, but rather was later discovered to be false information. Bush was going by trusted intelligence from what he & many others felt was reliable, and he felt he was acting accordingly to protect us from a major threat.
From the late 90's through the early 2000's, the following prominent Democrats were very much in agreement with Bush's belief that Hussein had W.O.M.D's:
I could name more, but hopefully you get the idea. In the future, please refrain from the tired & stale whining Liberals tend to do about Bush being a war monger who belongs in prison. It's criminally ignorant & it has no place in an intelligent discussion. And also, don't waste my time by demanding where I got this EASY TO FIND information.....it's common & proven knowledge, son.
just because these notable democrats voted to go to Iraq because they trusted the administration doesn't mean the administration didn't lie about the facts. They knew the facts were sketchy and they sold them as gospel. It's all in the presentation.
I know you're a sarge and you just follow orders, but use your head for once. We all know the real truth was that Saddam Hussien attempted to assasinate GHWB in Kuwait in 1991. Do I need to get you some links to read about it?
This was a family vendetta, paid for by the blood of 4000 of your fellow soldiers. I'm sorry but your comrades were just a tool used to even the score in a family feud.
Wake up, you got played.
The difference between those that you listed and Bush is they didn't get into a war. Seems to me we should have waited like Clinton did. Maybe he wasn't as dumb as the Republicans made him to be.
Where have you been. I think this has been answered and addressed. There WERE WMD's and they found they were moved by air and truck to Syria while we played the waiting game.
Does anyone pay attention? This is old news.
If this is "old news" then one would assume you could provide a single scrap of evidence supporting it?
You can believe that Karen, if it helps you sleep at night.
4000 dead and we didn't find a stinking barrel ! Not a drop even.
Someone's gotta go to jail for that. They were either lying or incompentent – which is it?
People will believe what the want to, no matter what the truth may be.
And to think that Obama got the popular vote all the while he turned his back on the Ambassador and 3 Navy Seals, and then lied about it as he smiled with his pearly whites. This country is taking a major nosedive with Obama in charge. He should be impeached. Clinton was for merely lying about screwing around. Surely the loss of 4 Americans while he jetted off to Las Vegas for his fundraiser would merit impeachment. Oh wait, no, I forgot, Benghazi was Bush's fault, just as all of Obama's failures have all been Bush's fault. The Messiah couldn't possible be responsible....
Oh stop, lets get all the facts from the people who were there.
We can't....they're dead.
Beased on your handle, I assume you will be leaving this country soon. Why dont you head off down under to live with Daddy Murdoch? When are you leaving? The sooner the better.
God save us from the no-nothing haters! Give it a rest!
"And to think that Obama got the popular vote"
And 332 Electoral votes, can't forget about that.
"all the while he turned his back on the Ambassador and 3 Navy Seals,"
Two former Navy SEALS. You almost had your facts straight.
"and then lied about it "
"This country is taking a major nosedive with Obama in charge."
Which is why the economy has continued to improve for the last four years?
"Surely the loss of 4 Americans while he jetted off to Las Vegas for his fundraiser would merit impeachment."
Your statement makes no sense. We lost 8 Americans in Afghanistan that same week. Is that Obama's fault as well?
If you call goverment jobs and fake job reports grouth I can see why you and that 47 % welfare voted for that fool . Mr Bush had a 5 % low 7.9 % high unployment rate our fool turned it to 10% in his first year . Mr Bush had a 4.5 % grouth rate in our economy our fool turned it into 1 % Cuba is growing at 2 % Mr Bush had gas at $1.85 our fool stops drilling in the Gulf and sends it to $4.00 per gal. well there is always impeachment I don't care how our fool goes as long as he goes.
Unbelievable. You seem think that information coming from an event like Benghazi should be as attainable as information coming from DC. Do you NOT understand that Benghazi is an incredibly dangerous place, that the guys working there chose to work in one of the world's least stable regions, that TERRORISTS attacked them – not the POTUS – and that no amount of security could have saved them??? What is wrong with you people?
Flaming Liberal lying media covered for Obama
What a disgrace to the People.
What exactly are they covering up? Be sure to cite your sources, and Fox News doesn't count.
We call that "poisoning the well".
haha ha i love how you cute little liberals mention fox news so much let me guess you got that from msbc right you hear everyone say it and just assume that fox news is crap fox news isn't biased like msnbc why don't you actually watch some moron and you might actually learn something.
Still waiting for actual facts.
All the media and people here are missing the cover up which is the problem. The administration lied to the American people and agencies blaming a video for two weeks which inflamed the Middle East and Northern Africa. Kind of a big cover up when we now know the admin. knew it was a terrorist attack during the attack. Why are they lying for two weeks? Why did they not tells us about the drone that was shot at by Iran before the election? So many cover ups how do you keep track?
No, Al, YOU'RE missing the point – there was NO cover-up. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy just because Fox says it is? The administration released information as it became available to them – as was reported, there was mass confusion on the ground in Libya (it's not like this thing happened in downtown Peoria – Benghazi is a hotspot in one of the most dangerous areas in the world, and unless you've been there, you don't know what you're talking about). NO ONE was lying – they were relaying information as it was relayed to them. Remember that no Americans were present on the ground to report the exact events – what do you NOT understand about that???
The disgrace, AL, is people like YOU. How ignorant are you? The fact that you cling to a Fox-created story, made up for political points in an election that your guy lost proves that you cannot think for yourself. The Ambassador and the ex-Seals CHOSE to accept assignments in one of the most dangerous regions of the world. They were attacked by terrorists and killed. End of story.
No we say Faux news because of several reasons. One being they were refused to broadcast in Canada because it does not allow lying in its news broadcasts. Two they fought for the right to be able to lie in in broadcasts in the United States. Three the leader of Fox news was the leader of the RNC. Four the leader owner of Fox is Rupert Murdock the same guy that caused the News of the World paper in England to shut down because of its practices. Five Fox receives daily the RNC talking points in order to move the Republican party agenda. Six Fox News donates money to the RNC.
These are the easy points without much effort to bring up. If you doubt what I am saying research it. Prove me wrong and I will retract my statements.


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People who have birds and fish probably set the cage near the tank, but the Duplex stacks the two—cage on bottom, tank on top—in a genius move that everyone except the pets themselves will enjoy.
The fish tank has a deep concave bottom like a wine bottle, so that the bird can fly up "into" the tank. I don't know what kind of enjoyment the fish would get out of this, but I imagine the birds would be entertained, up till the moment they realise that fish can suddenly fly higher than they can. The fish, on the other hand, won't notice a damn thing. Cuz they're fish.
There are some structural issues I have with the design, issues you might have as well. The disc-shaped base of the thing had better weigh a ton to support not only the very tall bird cage, but the heavy water-filled (glass?) bowl atop it. And anyone who's ever owned birds or fish will be wondering about how to clean the damn Duplex—one hopes at least that the fish tank's green gunk build-up reaches the point of intolerability at the exact same the bird droppings do, but chances are you'll be disassembling that thing all the time just to keep your little lovelies from croaking. [Yanko Designs]

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