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May 24, 2005
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Mayor Pro Tem Tully called the Workshop meeting of the Village Council of the Village of Downers Grove to order at 5:44 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Village Hall.
Present:Commissioners Marilyn Schnell, Martin Tully, Sue McConnell (by phone), Ron Sandack; Village Manager Riccardo Ginex; Village Attorney Enza Petrarca, Village Clerk April Holden
Absent: Mayor Brian Krajewski, Commissioners Stan Urban and William Waldack
Mayor Pro Tem Tully asked for a Motion to move into Executive Session. Commissioner Schnell moved to go into Executive Session pursuant to Section 2©(6) of the Illinois Open Meetings Act to consider setting a price for sale or lease of property. Commissioner Sandack seconded the Motion.
VOTE : AYE – Commissioners Schnell, Sandack, McConnell, Mayor Pro Tem Tully NAY – None
Mayor Tully declared the Motion carried and the Council convened into Executive Session at 5:45 p.m.
Mayor Krajewski reconvened the Workshop meeting of the Village Council of the Village of Downers Grove at 6:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Village Hall.
Present:Mayor Brian Krajewski; Commissioners Marilyn Schnell, Sue McConnell (by phone), Martin Tully, Ron Sandack, Stan Urban, William Waldack; Village Manager Riccardo Ginex; Village Attorney Enza Petrarca; Village Clerk April Holden
Visitors: Press: Kevin Stahr, Downers Grove Reporter Residents: Dr. Gordon Goodman, 5834 Middaugh; Dave Humphreys (Community Grants Commission) 4221 Saratoga; Christine Fregeau, 1918 Elmore; Martin & Loretta Barrett, 4911 Highland; Denise McCann, 4945 Highland; Stephen Jagielo, 4908 Highland; Daniel H. Myers, 4920 Highland; Vincent Barrett, 4921 Highland; Bill Barrett, 4911 Highland; Mike Parillo, 1409 Ridgewood Circle; William Ponstein, 6012 Hillcrest Staff: Police Dept.: Jim Niehls, Deputy Chief Pam Church, Lt. Tim Gunn; Fire Dept.: Deputy Chief Bob Tutko, Chief Phil Ruscetti; Public Works: Assistant Director Stan Balicki, Assistant Director Mike Millette, Water Manager Dave Bird, Traffic Manager Dorin Fera, Sr. Engineer Brian Parks, Director Dave Barber; Mary Scalzetti, Director, Tourism & Events; Doug Kozlowski, Director, Marketing & Media; Mike Baker, Assistant Village Manager; Keith Sbiral, Director, Planning & Community Development
Mayor Krajewski explained that Council Workshop meetings are held the second and fourth Tuesdays at 6:30 p.m. The meetings are video taped live and for later cable cast over cable channel 6.
The Workshop meeting is intended to provide Council and the public with an appropriate forum for informal discussion of any items intended for future Council consideration or just for general information. No formal action is taken at Workshop meetings.
The public is invited to attend and encouraged to comment or ask questions in an informal manner on any of the items being discussed or on any other subject. The agenda is created to provide a guideline for discussion.
Manager Ginex noted that Item #7 regarding the Sidewalk Café Ordinance is being removed from the Agenda this evening.
Consent Agenda Items
Bid: 1-Ton Dump Bodies and Service Truck Bodies. The Village Manager said this item is a recommendation to purchase the items in the amount of $180,482 replacing 1990 and 1991 models.
Bid: Public Works Materials (various items). The Manager said staff recommends awarding the asphalt contract to K-Five in the amount of $39,405; Redi-mix from Meyer Material in the amount of $20,878; and fire hydrants from Mid-American Water in the amount of $34,400.
Bid: Fire Department Accessories. The Manager asked Bob Tutko, Deputy Fire Chief to address this item.
Deputy Fire Chief BobTutko said that in February or March approval was obtained for the clothing items through Louis Tailors and Menswear, and Holy Cow Sports. He is back for accessory items because the vendors were asked to attend a pre-bid conference, and only the two afore-mentioned vendors attended. Therefore, items were put out for bid again.
Active Agenda and Informational Items
Downtown Rezoning. The Manager asked Keith Sbiral, Director, Planning & Community Development, to address this item.
Keith Sbiral , Director of Planning and Community Development, said that the items before the Council concern the downtown rezoning project. He said the four items include an update of the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) for the downtown area, an update of the text of the Zoning Ordinance for the downtown area, an update of the actual Zoning Map, and an update to the Municipal Code.
Mr. Sbiral said that staff, the Land Use Review Task Force as well as planning and legal consultants reviewed the Code in an effort to simplify it and make it more user-friendly to land-owners and land-developers. He described the downtown zoning districts as they presently exist, and how the project concentrates them into two districts: DB (downtown business which is related to the former CBD ), and the DT (downtown transition, or the former CCA ). He said a public hearing was held by the Plan Commission on April 13 unanimously recommending approval of the rezoning plan. There was discussion on the Highland and Rogers parcels which contain special use for a parking lot. After review, staff proposed that the parcel should become a commercial zoned and land use area. Residents appeared at the Plan Commission and discussed it, with the result being a recommendation to have the land use remain residential with the R-5 zoning designation.
Mr. Sbiral said that in regard to the structure of the ordinance, items which were spread out through the document are now located in one place, and much easier to find. As for the boundary area, staff walked the downtown area to be sure that land use and zoning are consistent and not creating any nonconformities.
Commissioner Schnell said she concurred with the parcels remaining residential. She said there is a special use there. She asked about the maps, noting that there is a sliver of an R-5 zoning which is in the Prince Pond area and would take R-5 into parkway area. She asked if that is in or out. Mr. Sbiral said in reviewing ownership, it is owned by one owner, so they maintained common zoning. Commissioner Schnell said she is concerned with encroachment of R-5 into the Prince Pond area, and would not want to see townhouses along the Parkway Drive. Mr. Sbiral used the overhead map to clarify the property in question, stating that the lot in question would not be developable. Commissioner Schnell said that neighborhood is so unique with an historic significance, and she has a problem with that one lot in that it could open up adverse possibilities. She suggested leaving it as R-4, single-family, so the residents realize that the Council does not want that area to be changed. She said that on one of the maps that parcel shows up as R-5, while it does not show up on another.
Mr. Sbiral said that the land use is single-family in that area and the R-5 question occurred because of an ownership question.
Mayor Krajewski asked about R-6 zoning surrounding the downtown area. He referred to items shown on the map on the overhead. Mr. Sbiral said there has been no change to the Highland area which is R-6.
Village Attorney Enza Petrarca stated that they only looked at the downtown area. They did not look to rezone the residential areas outside of the CBD .
Commissioner Urban said that the area on Highland should be R-5. He is also very concerned about the Parkway Drive parcel, and if someone were to accumulate parcels in that area, they could construct townhomes. He noted that work of some type is occurring in that area right now. He lived adjacent to the property at 1217 Parkway. The house is built right on the lot line. Mr. Sbiral said he thought it could be left the way it is without causing too much of a problem. If a petition were to come in the Village would probably recommend having common zoning throughout the entire area. Commissioner Urban would prefer to see that parcel remain as R-4.
Commissioner Sandack said that the goal was obviously to simplify and put the zoning districts and uses in one place. He feels that the work reflects diligent and thoughtful work on the issue.
Commissioner Waldack said he did not know there would be height recommendation changes, moving from 60' to 70', and asked whether there were any 70' buildings there now. Mr. Sbiral said that Immanuel Residences and Station Crossing both are at 70'. He further responded that this provides consistency with the current zoning. Commissioner Waldack said he is glad to see that the Plan Commission responded positively to the residents' concerns.
Commissioner McConnell also concurred with the concerns expressed on the Parkway corner and she believes it should not be part of the transition. She said that at Mackie Place, the transition district seems to go all the way to Maple, asking if that is because of the apartment building now. Mr. Sbiral said that is correct, and they tried to make it consistent with what exists there now.
The Mayor asked what would happen if a townhouse were brought in for that corner. He asked what would happen with two different zonings. Mr. Sbiral said they would probably bring it in as a special use under the new Code. They would probably have to request a rezoning. Attorney Petrarca said that typically they would have to rezone that parcel.
Dr. Gordon Goodman , 5834 Middaugh, asked for the overhead to be displayed again, and asked about the significant of the DB and DT zoning, asking whether the approved ordinance will remove all the current zoning categories in these districts, substituting a unique new set of zoning categories in the area. The Mayor said that was correct. Dr. Goodman asked if both designations would permit both residential and business. Mr. Sbiral responded that the DB permits residential primarily with special use, and the DT is a residentially based zoning district. Dr. Goodman asked if the designations are determined by special use ordinances that the Council would pass, or are they rights-of-property under this zoning. Attorney Petrarca said they are included in this ordinance.
Dr. Goodman asked for clarification as to whether special use is required for all residential use in the business district, or can residential uses take place without a special use ordinance. Mr. Sbiral said that in the DB district, they are all commercial uses. Residential uses listed as special uses are residential multi-family dwellings. As for the DT, downtown transition district, residential permitted uses are single-family dwellings, attached single-family dwellings, two-family dwellings, row houses and townhouses.
Dr. Goodman then asked whether there are commercial uses permitted in the transition district. His feeling is that the Council should have some control rather than have blanket districts. Mr. Sbiral read the list of permitted uses in the DT district.
Dr. Goodman said he thought it necessary to look at the property rights being conferred upon property owners, and said he thought this might require some fine tuning. He added that he agrees with preserving the lot on Prince Pond as a regular zoning area rather than transitional zoning. The corner is a potential PUD , and could lend itself to a detailed plan that would make it possible to develop the property. Dr. Goodman said he considered it important that this piece of property maintain its residential zoning. He believes there should be a buffer between the high density development and the Prince Pond area. He also suggested that the Village look at the downtown transition zoning areas along Maple touching Mackie, as he does not see consideration of the historic preservation included in the ordinance. He noted that there is a court-imposed apartment building located there; however, he said they should consider whether the DT zoning is in the best interest of Maple Avenue.
Commissioner Tully discussed the permitted uses in the DT district in proposed Section 14©(3). He said one use permitted included personal grooming services and asked whether they were defined elsewhere. Attorney Petrarca said they are not specifically. Commissioner Tully said he would like that information.
Emergency Response Fees. The Manager asked Deputy Fire Chief Bob Tutko to address this matter.
Deputy Fire Chief Bob Tutko said this ordinance amends the emergency response fee for the Fire Department.
Mayor Krajewski said there is reference to the 1993 non-residence fee. Deputy Chief Tutko said residents began receiving billing for the ambulance service in 2001. The Mayor then asked for a copy of the Naperville survey, saying he is looking for the other fees apart from ambulance fees and whether they are typical for other communities as well. Deputy Chief Tutko said many communities are billing for non-traditional items that the departments did at one time for free. Mayor Krajewski asked that the information be sent to the Council.
Commissioner Schnell said she has a problem with the fees, as they seem excessive. She believes $500 for an ambulance fee is high for a resident. Deputy Chief Tutko said that is what the current fee is now, saying they are amending the fees now to roll them all into one fee.
Commissioner Schnell asked what percentage insurance pays. Deputy Chief Tutko said 100% to 50%. He noted that the Village Manager can waive the fee. Commissioner Schnell asked for clarification that if the insurance doesn't cover the cost, the intent was to write off the remainder. Deputy Chief Tutko said they still do that for residents. As for other fees, they are recoverable. He said that the Fire Departments have missed this for a number of years. FEMA has suggested that these fees be recovered by the Fire Departments. Commissioner Schnell asked that they find out before this is voted upon how much of this is actually recoverable.
Commissioner McConnell said that the majority of health plans providing coverage for employees are paying 80%+ on emergency response fees. There is usually a $100 deductible.
Commissioner Schnell said she would like to check on that. This is very hard to swallow. People are paying taxes to pay for this, and she is concerned that their insurance rates will go up if they use these services. She would like to hear this from an agent.
The Mayor said that if every insurance company is charged, the rates will be affected. He then asked about extrication. Deputy Tutko said that involves taking cutting tools out and using them to cut away the vehicle area.
Commissioner Urban asked how many extrications were done over the last 3-5 years. Deputy Tutko said over the figures of last year it would have resulted in an additional $20,000 to the Village. For comparison, the fee the Department is assessed every year for ambulance costs and repair of ancillary equipment is about $13,000 and, another $7,000 for repair and update of the cardiac monitors. The auto extrication and car fires fee would pay for those two items. He said he would provide the actual number of extrications over the last 2-3 years.
Commissioner Tully asked the Manager to have information pulled from the Community Response Center system with respect to the number of complaints to any EMS fees charges.
Commissioner Waldack said he doesn't like the idea of charging residents fees when they are also paying taxes. He recalled an accident in Wisconsin some years ago where the first things family members received after burying the victims were bills from their town. Deputy Tutko explained that bills are not sent when there is a loss of life involved. Commissioner Waldack also recommended that staff check what Medicare pays. He further suggested that taxpayers should be allowed one or two free calls. Deputy Tutko said this administration did not come up with the fee structure. It has been in place for many years, as it has in other communities as well. The fee systems help offset some of the costs.
The Mayor said he shares some of the concerns mentioned, but added that the Village is different from some of the neighboring communities. The Village property taxes only cover 16%-20% of the costs to run the Fire and Police Department, as opposed to Woodridge, or Darien or Lisle where taxes fund 100% for the police and fire services. The Mayor also said he favors user-based fees.
Commissioner Sandack said that he agreed with the Mayor that less and less of the property taxes go to pay the police and fire costs. Commissioner Sandack said that they need to look at this collectively, and determine whether there is a phasing or a la carte component to this. He said they cannot continually raise property taxes; however, these costs continue to escalate.
Commissioner Schnell said she appreciates that this is being brought forward. She said she thought there is a difference in charging a booking fee for someone arrested for a DUI , and in charging an extrication fee to someone who is in an accident through no fault of their own. The question is how much is too much, or is anything too much to charge.
The Mayor asked if there is any problem with imposing fees on non-residents only, and Attorney Petrarca said there is not. The Village has that right. The Mayor said perhaps they can phase this in by charging non-residents first.
Commissioner McConnell said they need to look at this in two sections. Section A is changing fees related to the current EMS fees and simplifying the structure. Sections B & C can be looked at in terms of what the Village can be reimbursed from the insurance company. She suggested Catherine Loney might have additional information that would be helpful.
The Mayor suggested looking at Section B & C in conjunction with overall property taxes.
Commissioner Tully said if the entire operation of the Fire Department were paid through property taxes, and then the Village added these fees it would be one thing, but that is not what happens. The Village is not dependent upon only one revenue source. The question is whether you shift the burden to those who use it more than others. He is sensitive to the issue. He wants everyone to understand that the entire operation of the Fire and Police Departments are not being funded by property taxes and the fees are there to fill the gap.
The Mayor asked Commissioners Tully and Sandack to put together scenarios of what the taxes would be if the Police and Fire departments were 100% funded by property taxes.
Commissioner Waldack said that they would be remiss if the insurance companies were willing to pay some of these costs and the Village passed up the opportunity.
Dr. Gordon Goodman , 5834 Middaugh, said he is in agreement with the analysis of tapping the revenue source of third party payers. He said it is important to establish a cost for ambulance services. Dr. Goodman said the Village is attempting to move ahead on this and that is good. He said his experience is that Medicare pays 80% of the ambulance costs. He said he is one of those who thinks that the Village has unnaturally kept the property taxes low, and more support for Village services should come from property taxes.
Deputy Tutko noted that the Fire Department again received the Joseph Hartman award for EMS excellence by Good Samaritan Hospital. This is the first time an agency has won the award two years back to back in 21 years.
Administrative Fees: Tows & Booking Fees. The Manager asked Deputy Police Chief Pam Church to discuss this matter.
Deputy Chief Pam Church said these ordinances request recovery of expenses and establishing administrative fees. They include a $500 fee for Driving Under the Influence (DUI), Driving While Licenses Suspended (DWLS) and Driving While License Revoked (DWLR). Statistics show that in 2004 that there were 501 DWLS /DWLR arrests and 431 DUI arrests within the Village. Of the DUI arrests, 73% were non-residents, and 78% of the DWLS /DWLR arrests were also non-residents. The Police Department believes the fee holds the arrestee accountable and sends a message that this will not be tolerated in the Village.
The Mayor asked what happens to the car now. Deputy Church said the Police tow it and charge the owner. They also store the car. The towing company charges $100 per contract. In some cases the Village seizes the car and holds it until the fee is received. There were over 900 offenses last year. Deputy Church said that staff evaluated what other communities charge for the same offenses. She said the Village projects about $250,000 of revenue, based on a full fiscal year, if the ordinance is passed.
Mayor Krajewski asked about the hearing officer and outside prosecutor and whether they can be from the same firm. Attorney Petrarca said they hire from different firms. She said that they can add the outside prosecutor to the RFP if it is determined to be needed. Deputy Church said they are asking $3500 for a hearing officer and $3500 for the prosecutor. They anticipate one hearing date per month.
The Mayor asked if there are plans for the revenue. Deputy Chief Church said the amount was included in the budget as a projection on the revenue side. Mayor Krajewski said he would like information as to other projected revenue. Deputy Chief Church said that there is $45,000 for booking fees as well.
Mike Baker , Assistant Village Manager, said staff discussed these initiatives. He needs to verify whether these were put in the budget. The Mayor asked that they check for others as well, and asked for the information this week.
In response to Commissioner Sandack, Deputy Church said that the majority of the revenue source would come from non-residents.
Commissioner McConnell said in this case the real issue is to provide a deterrent to the offenders, and increase the safety of the community.
Commissioner Schnell said she received e-mails from residents regarding efforts to bring the number of DUIs down, and she thinks this ordinance will serve to do this further.
Commissioner Waldack had previously asked, of the 431 DUI arrests last year, how many were convicted. He said that information he received in response to that question was not clear cut. He has a problem with treating arrestees as criminals since they were not yet found guilty. He asked if there is any chance that the arrestees assessed the fine are not guilty. Deputy Church said this is a civil or administrative system which is outside the venue of the criminal court, and the arrest is based on probable cause. Attorney Petrarca said that the hearing officer would have the discretion to rule against the Village if no probable cause is found.
The Mayor asked if the arrestee refuses to take the tests, the Village still takes the car, and Deputy Church said they do.
Commissioner Tully said the Workshop packet referred to hiring a hearing office who would be a contracted individual. Regarding training and internal staff time costs, Deputy Church responded that it would take 2-3 hours per day of the officer's time. There is a considerable amount of internal paperwork and tracking. Commissioner Tully said that these changes could more than cover the costs and provide additional revenue to further the enforcement. It raises the consciousness of what is going on.
The Mayor asked whether someone other than the Sergeant could do the paperwork. Deputy Church said it would also involve administrative staff, and the Sergeant would supervise it.
Mr. Baker informed the Council that they did reflect the $250,000 in the 2005/06 budget revenue projections, which was part of how they generated the $2.1 million surplus for the year.
Deputy Church then addressed booking fees saying arrestees would be charged $30.00 when posting bail or bond to help offset the officer's time on arrestee processing. This could generate $45,000 in revenue.
Commissioner Waldack asked about complaint drafting. Deputy Church said the officer is required to state charges in a complaint which is served to the arrestee and a copy is sent to the courts. In regard to finger printing, Deputy Church said that non-resident businesses are charged $500, but there is no charge to residents or to those needing finger-printing for adoption services. As for the amount of the fee, Deputy Church said that the fee is based upon the information obtained in surveying other surrounding areas.
Commissioner McConnell rang off at this time.
Ordinance Amending Water Meters & Hydrant Uses. The Manager asked Stan Balicki, Assistant Director, Public Works, to address this matter.
Stan Balicki , Assistant Director, Public Works, said this ordinance provides for a permit fee, rental fee and cost of water for contractors working in the Village. The fee is consistent with surrounding communities. The main users would be directional boring contractors, landscape and demolition contractors.
Community Grants Program. The Manager asked Dave Humphreys, Community Grants Commission, to discuss this item.
Dave Humphreys said he was representing Chairman Stan Urban of the Community Grants Commission. The Commission is now in its 15th year. He reviewed the purpose of the program to aid in funding not-for-profit cultural organizations in the Village. There is presently $57,029 available, which is well below the amount of funding requested on an annual basis. Mr. Humphreys explained the program functions, how applications are reviewed and funding distributed. He thanked the Council for their support of the Grants program.
Commissioner Schnell asked about the $5,000 going to the Prairie State Games.
Mary Scalzetti , Director, Tourism and Events, said the amount is dependent upon the measurable impact the event may have on the community. She noted there is $5,000 from the Community Grants Program and an additional $5,000 from the Tourism Council. She said continuation of this funding is up to the Council. She said a letter of intent has been sent. The Mayor noted that no payment has been made yet to the Prairie State Games.
Commissioner Sandack thanked Mr. Humphreys, Commissioner Urban and the members of the Commission for their work. He said this is a very important program.
Commissioner Urban also thanked the Commission for its work as it impacts many people. He said he has expressed his thoughts to the Commission regarding ways of appropriating funds and groups requesting funds. For example, he questions the concept of providing funds for floats, and suggested that the Commission sit with the Council to discuss future direction.
Mr. Humphreys said the Commission would welcome that and hopefully it could be done before the next grant cycle begins which would be before the end of the year.
Commissioner Tully echoed his appreciation to the Commission for their work and agreed with scheduling a meeting between the Commission and the Council to review the Commission's goals.
The Mayor said that the Village committed $10,000 to the Prairie State Games and he asked about the number of rooms which have been cancelled. Ms. Scalzetti said that the Marriott said they had 525 rooms which were supposed to be booked and have been released. The Mayor asked whether the Village could take the $5,000 and use it for advertising at the venues.
Commissioner Urban responded that his understanding is that all the rooms have not been released, and that there are over 6,000 participants registered for the games. He said that 4,000 of those participants are traveling over 150 miles to participate, but they are not required to stay in a particular hotel. The economic impact includes the exposure rate and the restaurants. Ms. Scalzetti said that he was correct in saying that those commuting for a day will have more of an impact on restaurants and other businesses. Commissioner Urban said that since opening services are in Bensenville, they would be happy to assist the Village in preparing goodie bags for the participants. Ms. Scalzetti said there is a staffing problem, and Commissioner Urban said this is the first time he has heard that.
Commissioner Schnell said she has a problem with the discussion because she remembered asking about the economic impact and was told by the Prairie State Games representative that participants would be staying in our hotels, and our hotels would be filled. She noted that the rooms were blocked and are now being unblocked. Ms. Scalzetti said that a loss report will be made in regard to this by one of the hotels.
Commissioner Urban asked that a copy of the minutes be provided as he did not remember it being said that the participants would be required to stay in Village hotels.
The Mayor said he also was given the impression that the Village hotels would be filled. He said he would prefer to give them only the $5,000 for the Games and keep the remaining $5,000 to advertise Village projects.
Commissioner Tully said that there is a letter of intent which dictates what the Village will do. He said that the Village was shown as a sponsor of the event and he does not think they can undo that. He noted that they originally wanted a three-year commitment, and he knows that they were told there would be a direct benefit to Village hotels. He said he would like to see the letter of intent. Ms. Scalzetti said the letter did not include their intent to fill the hotels.
Commissioner Sandack said that the Village was skeptical about this; however, the event has not occurred yet. He said the Village can walk away from this next year, but should honor their commitment this year.
Commissioner Urban said in his opinion there was never the intent to force people to stay in our hotels. The Prairie State Games representative did say they would stay here but not be forced. This event has not occurred yet, and the impact is not strictly hotels but sales and marketing as well.
Ms. Scalzetti asked if there will be an economic impact study done, and Commissioner Urban said not by Bensenville. They will have the least number of participants other than the opening ceremonies with their lack of hotel rooms and restaurants.
The Mayor said there will be an economic impact in Downers Grove and DuPage County, but he is concerned about what was represented to the Council in terms of hotel use. He asked that tapes be made available to Commissioners Schnell and Urban.
CBD Parking Re-Assignments, P&T File #02-05. The Manager asked Dave Barber, Director, Public Works, to address this item.
Dave Barber , Director, Public Works, said staff is looking at changes that need to be made due to the deck and changes to Curtiss block. He referred to a drawing in the Council's packet, saying staff has worked with the Parking & Traffic Commission and the Transportation Advisory Commission. Staff looked comprehensively at the downtown parking issue. A recommendation made was to add more shopper parking north of the tracks, adjusting parking ratios in Village Hall, expanding spaces for the Police Department, provide a more uniform parking system in the CBD , relocate employee parking to the deck, provide a transition plan with the loss of the Curtiss parking area, provide for high turnover near the businesses, and look at the overall capacity of parking for the downtown. Mr. Barber said the general changes include converting the 3-hour parking to 2-hour parking on specified streets closer to the businesses, while converting 2-hour parking into 3-hour parking in areas further from the downtown. Lot K will disappear in July, Lot M will merge with Lot L, and the 12-hour meters in front of the Police Department will be removed. Meters are being removed from Washington Street. There will be further discussions with P&T regarding overnight parking as well in the Curtiss lot.
Mr. Barber said that in the Forest Lot more shopper parking will be added, with additional commuter parking if necessary. The Downtown Management Board requested that additional 15-minute parking be made available at Angelo's and Aurelio's pizzas. This will not be enforced. He said that generally with the loss of the Curtiss lot there will be a loss of 300 spaces; however, there are an additional 500 spaces with the deck for a net increase of 200 spaces. The Grove Street lot and the 5207 Main Street lot have been lost. There will have to be changes made to the map regarding the Maple and Main property if necessary. Mr. Barber said that the Downtown Management Board has made positive comments regarding this plan. The goal is for this parking to be effective July 1.
Mr. Barber pointed out on the map the location of the private lots. As for overnight parking, people are charged $25 per quarter. They cannot move into the deck as there is no overnight parking in the deck. The Mayor said that the Forest Lot North currently has some 3-hour parking. Mr. Barber said they will try to assimilate the Lot K commuters into existing lots. The Mayor said he would like information as to residents/non-residents. The Mayor noted that the Immanuel Residences would like to have additional handicapped spaces and widening the spaces.
Commissioner Urban questioned the 15-minute parking. Mr. Barber said that Evanston tried this for their evening hours for turnover businesses such as pizza places. As for Main Street, if there is other access, they do not want to put 15-minute spaces on Main Street. Commissioner Urban said he was concerned hat there would be twenty-five 15-minute spaces, and he would like to see it limited. Mr. Barber said the 15- minute spots are very hard to enforce, but there appears to be good compliance.
Commissioner Tully said he appreciates this being brought forward, and suggested that this be promoted as much as possible via e-newsletters, cable and the website, as well as notification to the commuters.
Amend Sidewalk Café Ordinance. The Manager said this item was removed from the Agenda.
The Finance Committee will meet on June 7. The Public Safety Committee will meet next week. Public Services Committee will meet June 21.
Village Attorney Enza Petrarca said she was presenting ten items to the Council: 1) An ordinance amending fees for emergency response services; 2) An ordinance amending water meter and hydrant usage; 3) An ordinance re-assigning CBD parking; 4) An ordinance establishing administrative booking fees; 5) An ordinance establishing procedures for vehicle impoundment; 6) A resolution authorizing execution of annexation agreements for the properties located at 4918 Cross Street, 4520 Cross Street, Vacant Parcel (PIN 08-01-308-014), Vacant Parcel (PIN 08-01-308-015) and Vacant Parcel (PIN 08-01-308-016); 7) An ordinance amending various provisions of the Downers Grove Zoning Ordinance related to downtown classifications and procedures; 8) An ordinance adopting the Village of Downers Grove Zoning Map Delineating the DB, Downtown Business District, and the DT, Downtown Transition District; 9) An ordinance amending the Future Land Use Map for the Village of Downers Grove re: Downtown; and 10) A resolution authorizing an agreement between the Village of Downers Grove and Illinois Fraternal Order of Police.
Dr. Gordon Goodman , 5834 Middaugh, commented on a discussion held at Coffee with the Council regarding the second half of the Tree Ordinance concerning private property as well as redevelopment. The Mayor said that the Manager sent out a memo to the Council regarding the tree ordinance. Manager Ginex said that three Council members still need to respond. Dr. Goodman said he is anxious to find out what the next steps will be and hopes that the Council will take the opportunity to let the community know the Council's decision. Manager Ginex said that information will be available in two weeks. Dr. Goodman asked that the information be posted on the website as he will be out of town.
Mike Parillo , 1409 Ridgewood Circle, said he represents 50 families in the Hillcrest Hollow Subdivision, as well as homes on Carol Street which have been placed in a flood zone. He said the Stormwater Committee asked for an ordinance to go to Workshop. On March 3, residents found out that their houses have been put into a special flood zone that has less engineering criteria than a normal flood zone. He said someone at FEMA looked at old County maps and placed the houses in those zones. Homeowners received notices from their mortgage companies that they are required to purchase flood insurance. He said it will cost him about $2300-$2800 per year. Mr. Parillo said in the ten years he has lived there they have experienced two 100 year rains but no flooding occurred in their houses. He said residents have gone to Public Works but they have not been able to help. The designation has been made by FEMA . Public Works also does not have the funds to do what has to be done, which means surveying the area and how it reacts with other areas. The designation cannot be fought without that information, and banks are charging the maximum amount of flood insurance. He said that the residents need a government agency to resolve this. Pending sales of homes are falling through as a result of this as well, and there are also market value issues. He asked that this be placed on a Workshop agenda as soon as possible.
The Mayor asked about the flood insurance, and the Stormwater Master Plan. Mr. Barber said they probably cannot be included but he explained that there is a map revision that has to be done. He described the process. The County used older aerial photo maps to develop this. A more detailed analysis is required to remove these areas from flood plain designation. The Stormwater and Flood Plain Oversight Committee has looked at this situation. The analysis would probably cost between $10,000-$12,000.
The Mayor asked how many areas are like this in the Village. Mr. Barber said he believes there are a few more areas in the Village and he would like to bring that information to the next Workshop.
Commissioner Sandack asked about the time element. Mr. Parillo said that Public Works gave the neighbors letters to pass onto insurance companies. If this is resolved, the people may obtain a refund of the insurance costs. Mr. Barber said that they could probably complete some of the changes within six months.
William Ponstein , 6012 Hillcrest, said he was the developer of that property, saying in 1988 they had the certification of the Village that there was no flood plain on the property. He is concerned about how this could change from 1988. Mr. Barber responded that the first maps were vague. The County remapped the area that now shows up as subject to flooding. He does not think this is a real flooding problem. The map is updated every 20-30 years.
Mr. Parillo noted that insurance companies will not give the homeowners a full refund.
Commissioner Tully said there are 30 days to Heritage Festival. He said that on June 23 there will be preview rides at $15.00 for all the rides. He said the Parking Deck will be open for Heritage Festival parking at a $3.00 fee. He announced that on Thursday night the Temptations will be appearing at the Tivoli. People holding permits to park in the deck will park as they normally do. He then wished everyone a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend.
The Mayor said that about two years ago a boy in Downers Grove, Oliver Tribbles, had cancer and was granted a wish by the Make a Wish Foundation to drive a train. Oliver passed away about a year later. This past Saturday the Make a Wish Foundation had their annual black tie affair at Union Station. Oliver's mother was present and told about how Oliver's wish was made real. When she concluded her presentation, the Chairman of METRA announced that a new engine had been named after Oliver. It is the Oliver "Ollie" Tribbles engine. Mayor Krajewski said that the train made a run to Downers Grove today at 5:04 p.m. He said that engines normally last about 30 years, and Oliver has his wish of "being" a train.
There being no further discussion, the Workshop meeting was adjourned at 9:34 p.m.
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Nguyễn Xuân Phúc, the Prime Minister of Vietnam, visited our shop accompanied by a large delegation, including the Vietnamese Ambassador from Berne and other high-ranking officials. They were impressed by the Beyer Clock and Watch Museum and our company's age-old tradition. The current portfolio of watches on sale in our shop and in the Patek Philippe Boutique also met with great interest.
The Prime Minister felt very much at home with us and – according to what he wrote in our visitors' book – learned a lot, from both a historical and a human perspective. Two of our staff come from Vietnam and were thus able to greet the Prime Minister in his native language. After their brief visit to Beyer, the delegation travelled to Davos to attend the WEF.

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We had the opportunity to spend the past few days on Pender Island, a beautiful secluded spot in the heart of the Gulf Islands. It actually ended up being three busy days as we packed the daylight hours full of island activities. We stayed at Hope Bay Bible Camp with a wonderful group of people who we met on our venture out here last November, and it was great to get to know everyone a little better. It was a much needed time of rest, reflection, adventure, and building community, and although it was difficult to leave, I left with a full heart.
We arrived on Saturday night and Zoltan and I spent the evening hanging out with Dustin and Christy, the directors of the camp. They are an inspirational couple, and I think I can say, kindred spirits.
Sunday morning started early with church in the dining hall, and then our very generous friends Bob and Sue took us for lunch at the Port Browning Marina Cafe. We spent the afternoon exploring their timber frame house and amazing property.
When we got back to the camp, Darian, one of the staff, took us around the disc golf course. I think it was our collective first time playing disc golf and we had a blast!
That evening, I took myself on a walk and came across Welcome Bay. I walked along the beach (which had some great pieces of driftwood, shells, and beach glass) and just sat by the sea and took in all the details around me. The sun was going down, and the pastel sky cast a lovely glow over the whole beach.
Monday we headed out bright and early again, but this time, Dustin and Christy (and their adorable son Jude) took us out on their boat! We boated across to Salt Spring Island and hit up Salt Spring Coffee and a few really cool shops, and then hung out in the park for a little while. On our way back, we found a tiny island that someone told us was called Chocolate Island, with a beautiful beach and forest. We boated to shore, had a picnic, and did a spontaneous video of The West Coast that will be up in the next few weeks. It was a wonderful afternoon outing, and I got my first sunburn of the season! We headed back as the sun was starting to get low, and the water was as smooth as glass. It was perfect.
The next day we woke up at 5am to do an early morning photo shoot with Dustin and we used Kyle and Katie (who live at the camp)'s shiny red chevy from the 50s. The morning light was completely surreal, and from the camera previews I saw of the photos, they're going to turn out great!
That evening, our final night on the island, we had a show at the camp. We played on the porch of the chapel building, and people came and brought blankets and picnics, and we had games for the kids and had a wonderful time. It felt like a summer festival, and being able to stare out at the trees and sky while we were playing was pretty magical.
And now we're back to regular life on the mainland; well, as regular as life on tour can be! Check out our Facebook page for all our upcoming shows.
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Wednesday, February 22, 2017
The Islamist virus continues to spread...KC terror attack.
An American-born citizen was arrested Friday for allegedly plotting an ISIS style President's Day attack "ten times" worse than the April 2013 Boston Marathon bombing that killed three people and injured more than 260 others.
Robert Lorenzo Hester Jr., 25, of Columbia, Missouri, was taken into federal custody as the result of an FBI undercover operation that started months ago. Authorities said Hester had been communicating with two undercover FBI agents, who he thought to be ISIS sympathizers, since October to carry out terror attacks on buses, trains and a train station in Kansas City, Missouri, the Kansas City Star reported.
"First on social media, then during face-to-face meetings with the undercover FBI employees, this defendant repeatedly expressed his intent to engage in acts of violent jihad against the United States," U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Missouri Tammy Dickinson said. "He believed he was part of an ISIS-sponsored terrorist attack that would result in the deaths and injuries of many innocent victims."
Hester joined the U.S. Army but received a general discharge in mid-2013, according to KSHB-TV. An Army spokeswoman told the Star that a general discharge typically means the individual's "conduct and/or performance of duty were not so meritorious to warrant an honorable discharge."
"Recipients of general discharges usually have engaged in minor misconduct or have received nonjudicial punishment under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice," the spokeswoman added.
The FBI started looking into Hester's actions in September after he allegedly wrote on Facebook that the U.S. government should be "overthrown" and advocated for "hitting" the U.S. government "hard." Hester allegedly posted the statements under the alias "Rami Talib."
The same Facebook page featured a photo of who the Kansas City Star reported to be Hester and his two children.
Another post, dated July 5, read, "3 things I will fight for Allah Islam and my family everything else is irrelevant."
Then, in October, Hester was arrested after getting into a fight with his wife. KSHB reported that Hester threw a pocket knife through a store window. Employees reportedly approached Hester, but that's when they said he appeared to reach for a 9mm handgun from a diaper bag, which police later confiscated.
Hester was arrested following the incident but released on $4,500 bond but was required to wear an ankle bracelet and was not allowed to possess a gun as the two conditions of his release.
It was around the same time last year that federal authorities said Hester sent a Facebook friend request to an one undercover FBI agent using another alias, "Ali Talib Muhammad." The undercover agent private messaged Hester two days later to arrange for a Jan. 31 meeting, where Hester was given a list of items the undercover agent said would be used to "bring some kind of destruction."
The items included 9-volt batteries, duct tape, copper wire and roofing nails.
Hester reportedly went out and purchased the items and returned with them to another meeting with the undercover agent.
That's where Hester allegedly expressed to the undercover agent his willingness to "help any way I can." Hester also reportedly told the agent he "[couldn't] wait" to "bring them to their knees."
According to the affidavit obtained from the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Missouri, the agent told Hester during the same meeting that they were planning something "ten times more" than the April 2013 Boston Marathon bombing and that they were planning on "killing a lot of people."
Hester allegedly replied by saying, "I'm down."
The undercover agent then described plans to plant backpacks loaded with explosives in various locations around their intended target.
"Hester stated that they had to be smarter than the Boston Marathon bombers, and stated that he remembered all of his military training, including how to clear a room or building, how to use weapons, and military movement. Hester again confirmed that he was 'down' and that he understood that they had to 'lay low' and act in a manner to avoid detection," the affidavit said.
Communications between Hester and undercover agents further revealed Hester referring to the plotted attack as something that would make for a "good day for Muslims worldwide" and that after the attack was over "they will know that the Islamic State Caliphate has spread into the United States."
The undercover agent told Hester over social media Feb. 16 that the plan was to attack buses, trains and a train station four days later — President's Day — in Kansas City.
The very next day, Hester met a second undercover FBI agent at an undisclosed storage facility that the first agent had mentioned previously.
Authorities then arrested Hester at the storage facility and charged him with attempting to provide material support to ISIS, a charge that carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.
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Greece has quite a few amazing attractions to offer. From man-made marvels all the way to natural creations, visitors will have no end to what they can enjoy in Greece.
Cape Sounion is located on the southern tip of the peninsula of Attica. The location is known all over the world as the site on which the ancient temple of Posiedon is located. The remains of this great Greek temple for the god of the sea are located on the headland and surrounded by the sea from three sides. This is a highly popular destination with travellers and features amazing activities such as watching the sun set over the Agean Sea from the temple ruins. If you are planning a trip to Greece to check out amazing attractions such as Cape Sounion, be sure to go through a travel agency in Sri Lanka such as Aitken Spence Holidays for better rates and a pleasant experience.
If you love natural beauty, then you simply must visit Zagori. This is an area featuring some truly spectacular natural beauty in the form of two national parks and incredible geological formation. The area features many rugged mountains, dense forest areas and powerful rivers. There are also a few well-preserved traditional villages in the area. Some of these villages still have grand stone houses that date all the way back to the late eighteenth century. Zagori is a must visit for hiking enthusiasts as the area is best explored on foot.
Peloponnese was traditionally referred to as Morea which translates to mulberry leaf. The name is quite apt as Peloponnese is shaped like a large leaf. This wide peninsula is located in the southernmost region of Greece and Europe. The Rio-Antirrio bridge connects Peloponnese with the main land. The peninsula deserves a visit as the area is a cornucopia of ancient architecture. Featuring beautiful classic Greek temples, Byzantine churches, Venetian fortresses and Mycenaean palaces, Peloponnese is a must-visit for anyone who loves ancient architecture. One of the most prominent ancient ruins in Peloponnese is Olympia where the first Olympic Games were held.
Meteora translates to 'suspended in the air'. This is exactly what the amazing cliffs of Meteora appear to be doing. The cliffs are more than 1200 feet in height and overlook the villages Kastraki and Kalambaka in the mainland. Located along the cliff summits are stunning historic monasteries that date all the way back to the 14th and 16th centuries.
Athens is a must for any traveller who wishes to explore Greece. The city is considered to be the cradle of Western civilisation as well as the birthplace of democracy. Athens has been inhabited and thriving for more than 3000 years. Today, the city is an incredible mixture of ancient historical architecture and modern structures and facilities. Athens is famous for ancient attractions such as the Theatre of Dionysus, the Ancient Agora, the Acropolis and the Parthenon among many others. Aside from incredible ancient architecture, Athens is also a business centre, cultural hub and features excellent nightlife options.


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Shorewood police warn residents to be careful after burglary, attempted burglary
Shorewood police are warning people to check their windows after a burglar got inside one home and tried to get inside another.
Both times, the residents saw someone moving around with a flashlight.
Residents on East Menlo Boulevard immediately alerted each other after one of their neighbors woke up to find the burglar inside their home.
"This email comes and now it's a little concerning," Shorewood resident Ryan Clark said.
It happened early Monday morning near Clark's home.
Police said the burglar got scared and took off.
"I thought moving to Shorewood, just like a quieter area, would just kind of get away from that kind of common thing that happens in the city of Milwaukee but goes to show you it can happen anywhere," Clark said.
Early Saturday morning, police said there was an attempted burglary near Shorewood Boulevard and Downer Avenue.
The burglar didn't get in that time, but did remove a basement storm window and dryer vent.
"It's a crime. Things happen. We're not too far from the east side where lots of times people are getting robbed, things like that," Shorewood resident Adrian Baquero said.
Window air-conditioning units can also be a target for thieves, so police suggest people secure their units with brackets and a mount.
"Definitely just keeping an eye out, more toward night time and make sure all those windows are locked and got to have a secure house," Clark said.
Police haven't said if the cases are connected and only have a vague description of the burglar from one of the cases.
They want anyone with information to call them at 414-847-2610.


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What do you know about the law of attraction? How do you think every day? If you're in debt do you think about being in debt or do you think about making money? When you are not feeling well do you think about being sick or getting healthy? All these one second decisions make a difference. One decision can change your life….one change in thought can change your life.
You will attract into your life what you think about most!!!!
The Law of Attraction is basically whatever you think about you bring about.. I'm not making this up… all the great masters tell us on a daily basis.
Here are some questions to ask yourself.. I heard this from Bob Proctor.
1. What am I doing?
2. What works?
3. What doesn't work?
He says when we analyze this to stop doing what doesn't work and put all that energy into what does work. I read this, hear this, learn this over and over again and it's so true. It works.. it's just applying it in our lives.. If we don't apply it … it can't work!
Start focusing on what you do want (as I always say) not what you do not want. Whatever you focus on is what you get…whatever you focus on you will create in your life. Start focusing on what you want to draw into your life…what do you want to attract into your life?
I was just in the mood for this subject today…. think about your life and know you can change things dramatically.


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Pentagon Gives LGBT Troops Employment Protection
On Tuesday Defense Secretary Ashton Carter announced that the Pentagon will include LGBT troops in its equal opportunity employment protection policy. The announcement ends the long campaign to include sexual orientation in the Defense Department's protection from discrimination, which already includes race, sex and religion.
Carter said that the Pentagon has "completed the process" to ensure that LGBT employees are not discriminated against and have the proper channels of investigation if there is a complaint. He also noted that there have been efforts to guarantee that LGBT families receive equal benefits. "Discrimination of any kind has no place in America's armed forces," Carter said.
Carter announced the development at the Pentagon's Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Pride event after rumors about the change swirled earlier this month. Carter is the first defense secretary to speak at the event, which coincides with LGBT pride month, since it began at the DOD in 2012.
He said at the event:
We need to be a meritocracy. We need to focus relentlessly on our mission, which means the thing that matters most about a person is what they can contribute to national defense. This is a commitment we must continually renew.
According to The Washington Blade, the change came about after a year long internal review of the Pentagon's Military Equal Opportunity Policy. According to the paper, the efforts to make the change were waning until Army Under Secretary Brad Carson took his position in April.
In late May, a group of bipartisan senators wrote to Carter asking him to implement protections from discrimination for LGBT troops. The letter from the 23 senators praised steps like the 2011 repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, but urged the Pentagon to take do more to protects its LGBT troops.
The repeal of DADT represented great progress toward eradicating a significant barrier to formal equality, but the military is not yet an equitable environment for gay, lesbian, and bisexual service members. The absence of formal equal opportunity protections not only undermines foundational American principles of fairness and equality, it also presents an unneeded risk to national security by negatively impacting the morale and readiness of our all-volunteer force.
Still, there was no mention of specific protections for transgender military personnel. According to USA Today, the military can still oust transgender troops, but in the Army and Air Force, senior civilian officials must approve the dismissal, adding an additional hurdle to potential discrimination.
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Illinois is such a mess! It took 9 weeks for my friend to get his FOID renewed. He applied 2 weeks before it expired. You can't apply more than 30 days ahead of the expiration date. If he had applied 30 days in advance he still would have been without his "privileges" for 5 weeks. What if this happens while having a CCL? Will it be suspended even tho you did everything correct?
Foid renewal
Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:43 PM
Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:56 PM
If renewals for FOID/CCL are submitted prior to the expiration date, they remain active until the new cards are received.
Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:57 PM
I just read this on a different post.
"Renewal applications shall be approved or denied within 60 business days, provided the applicant submitted his or her renewal application prior to the expiration of his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card. If a renewal application has been submitted prior to the expiration date of the applicant's Firearm Owner's Identification Card, the Firearm Owner's Identification Card shall remain valid while the Department processes the application, unless the person is subject to or becomes subject to revocation under this Act. The cost for a renewal application shall be $10 which shall be deposited into the State Police Firearm Services Fund".
The problem is that he was unable to buy a firearm or ammo during this time because 2 different stores wouldn't accept his expired FOID.
Edited by ihatechicago, 23 April 2019 - 03:59 PM.
Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:44 PM
Molly, the issue was that none of the gun dealers would accept his expired card to allow him to buy a new handgun or ammo for his existing ones.
Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:14 PM
Plus the amount of FOID/CCL holders who always want to buy something after a addy/name change or a renewal/lost card is unbelievable!
As for the 30 day window i do believe that is incorrect.
Check out some of the other threads here about this same issue.
Welcome to the forums and tell your friend to register here, lots of great information is in here!
Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:26 PM
Lots of reading here too, take some time to read the massive amount of FOID renewal posts and the timeframes involved.
Plus there is even more about the right denied mindset within many of those posts.
Heres a little interesting read for everyone since I'm here, posted 17 April 2019. Just gotta chuckle on the interwebs!
Hah, this is Illinois, what do you think? I was told by a prosecutor/instructor that your card/status remains active if you apply for renewal before it expires (so you dont have to start from scratch); however, you cannot carry until you get a new card. If caught you will be arrested. Also in this process they are updating FOID cards so the numbers match with the CCL numbers. And while the FOID card update is being processed you cannot buy a gun.
Got to just love this state. in Indiana you can get lifetime carry permit at age 18, and lower crime rates, and lower taxes.
Edited by Bubbacs, 23 April 2019 - 05:27 PM.
Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:44 PM
(430 ILCS 65/13.2) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-13.2)
Sec. 13.2. Renewal; name or address change; replacement card. The Department of State Police shall, 60 days prior to the expiration of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card, forward by first class mail to each person whose card is to expire a notification of the expiration of the card and instructions for renewal.
Edited by InterestedBystander, 02 May 2019 - 09:13 AM.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 08:16 AM
my foid renewal button came active today at 90 days before expiration date.
Posted 03 May 2019 - 09:09 AM
my foid renewal button came active today at 90 days before expiration date.
As did mine. The renew button popped up May 1. Mine expires August 1.
Posted 13 May 2019 - 10:32 AM
Received FOID renewal notification today informing me of FOID expiration on 8/1/2019.
Posted 05 June 2019 - 07:21 PM
His card wasn't expired, the gun dealers were wrong.
Plus the amount of FOID/CCL holders who always want to buy something after a addy/name change or a renewal/lost card is unbelievable!
As for the 30 day window i do believe that is incorrect.
Check out some of the other threads here about this same issue.
Welcome to the forums and tell your friend to register here, lots of great information is in here!
What about firearm purchases made between when you applied and when you receive your renewal, assuming no address or name changes? From what I gather, your FOID is still active, all you did was submit an application for renewal.
Obviously, if there is a name or address change, or you have passed the original expiration date and are awaiting your renewal, then yes, that's a problem.
Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:41 AM
Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:40 AM
All the store clerk has to do is call the ISP FOID number to verify your card is good.
Hate to be a pessimist but I cant see walking into a gun store and attempting to buy ammo or a firearm or even handle a firearm with a FOID that has an expired date on it will get you anything but the door.
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Rethinking Intermediary Liability
The biggest worry for online service providers in India is the lack of clarity on the legal immunity available for copyright infringement claims. This question was explored in the recent MySpace case. Unfortunately, the decision rendered safe harbour provisions in the IT Act inapplicable to intermediaries such as YouTube and MySpace in respect of copyright infringement claims, making it clear that they did not have any protection from the very beginning.
The criticism of the MySpace decision is rooted in some unreasonable assumptions and the lack of any judicial guidance on what the knowledge standard is or should be. In essence, this would make clear what conditions are to be met to qualify for safe harbour protection by taking recourse to Section 79 of the IT Act. While it is reasonable for the court to hold that that MySpace had 'actual knowledge' of infringing titles, especially for those titles that were brought its attention, the lack of any discussion on the scope of the term and its difference with general knowledge, was found wanting in this decision.
On the other hand, the Second Circuit made detailed observations about the different types of knowledge that may disqualify an intermediary from claiming such protection. As explained by Eric Goldman, there are three main types of knowledge an intermediary might possess:
1) Actual knowledge of specific acts of infringement – This is a subjective standard and is specific to the case at hand as well as the type of internet intermediary in question (whether a search engine, market place, social networking website etc.). For example, in MySpace, the fact that it was notified of infringing titles (irrespective of whether they were given URL's of these files) according to the court, meant that they had 'actual knowledge'.
2) Red-flag knowledge – The court calls this an objective standard, which means a 'reasonable man' test is used to determine whether the intermediary had sufficient knowledge, which would disqualify it from obtaining the immunity. That is to say: even though it did not have actual knowledge, could it have known that the posted content was infringing?
3) Wilful Blindness – Here, there is no actual or red flag knowledge, but could still disqualify an intermediary. In the Youtube case, the question was whether internal mails between employees referencing infringing clips and discussing whether or not to remove it immediately is sufficient proof of wilful blindness. This was a relevant factor even in the Megaupload dispute, where leaked e-mails were sought to be used as evidence against the company.
The need for a new intermediary liability regimes becomes even more significant given the recent trend of 'John Doe orders', to 'restrain rampant piracy'. (see Prashant Reddy's post on a John Doe order passed by the Madras High Court). Not only do such ordersbypass statutory procedures under the Intermediary Guidelines, but producers and media houses also use pressure tactics to ensure compliance. With a clear legal regime on intermediary rights and responsibilities, there would be no need for extra-statutory measures such as John Doe orders. For example, with clear direction on the doctrine of 'wilful blindness', there would be no need for music labels to request the blocking over a hundred websites, again on copyright grounds. One would imagine that a reformed law would recognisethe difference between legitimate services like YouTube and clearly unlawful websites like Songs.pk that profit from infringing activity.
Hopefully, policy makers will keepthe following issues in mind when they go back to the drawing board. That said, not everything needs to be decided by the Executive. There is certainly a role for the judiciary and the technicalities and tests can be expounded by the courts.
- Do the safe harbour provisions extend to acts of primary and secondary infringement?
- Can provisions of the Indian Copyright Act override the safe harbour provisions contained in Section 79 of the IT Act? If so, what is the rationale for excluding copyright and the basis for classification, when immunity exists for defamatory and obscene content?
- What are the different knowledge standards and what is the standard of proof in the case of intermediary liability? Are there any specific acts that would disqualify an intermediary from claiming immunity in copyright infringement cases?
- Is the 36 hour period for compliance with content removal requests a reasonable period?
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A version of this article was first published on SpicyIP.
- Lessons for India on Data Protection - May 31, 2018
- Connecting the Next Billion - December 31, 2015
- Redrafting the National Encryption Policy - September 25, 2015
- How Internet Services and Telcos are Regulated in India - May 8, 2015
- Why Licensing of Internet Services is a Terrible Idea - May 8, 2015


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Gas prices are rising again. What does that mean for the economy?
The annoying but true answer: It depends.
In case you haven't noticed: It costs more to fill up your gas tank these days.
Gasoline prices nationally have risen from $1.73 per gallon in February 2016 to $2.24 last month, my colleague Jordan Blum reports, and consumers are forecast to spend $50 billion more on gas than they did last year. Theoretically, that's $50 billion they won't have to spend on other things — so what does that mean for the U.S. economy?
We now have decades worth of data on how gas prices affect consumer spending, through several spikes and crashes, so this shouldn't be hard to figure out. For example, a 2009 study found that between 1970 and 2006, a 1 percent increase in energy prices caused a 0.15 percent decrease in total consumption a year later.
People's spending decisions are affected by more than just gas prices, which also serve as an indicator of the economy and the consumer demand that ebbs and flows with economic growth. Consumers may be more or less careful on spending their saving at the pump depending on where they think the economy is heading.
But those effects haven't been uniform in magnitude over time. The consumption response to energy price shocks weakened from the 1970s to the 2000s, due in part to what the study's authors theorized was a change in the structure of the American auto industry. As domestic manufacturers started to produce more small cars, consumers looking to save on gasoline didn't have to buy imported vehicles, which preserved jobs in the United States.
Fundamental business conditions like that are still shifting, so it's difficult to predict exactly how those mounting costs will ripple out through the whole economy. For example, energy has been a declining part of the American consumer's budget for years now. That means that price increases would have a smaller effect than they used to, say back in the 1980s.
In addition, energy production has become a much bigger part of America's economic output since the shale boom. For that reason, as Houstonians know well, low gas prices can inflict pain on some while bringing mild relief to many.
Finally, the response to gasoline price changes also depends on the underlying strength of the economy. If people are earning more and their houses are increasing in value and it looks like their jobs are secure, they might not cut back so much when gas prices go up. That's why consumer spending moderated only slightly in 2005 and 2006, but really took a turn for the worse later in 2007 as the economy tanked, even though gas prices were going up at basically the same rate during this whole period.
"The principal reason that Americans ignored the earlier price increases would seem to be that they could afford to do so," wrote University of California-San Diego economist James Hamilton in 2009. "By (the end of) 2007 they no longer could, and the sharp spike in oil prices led to an observed economic response similar to that seen in earlier episodes."
Over the period of the last big drop in prices, researchers at JPMorgan Chase studied the spending of 1 million customers using Chase credit and debit cards and observed that about a quarter of the savings at the pump went to buying more gas and a third went groceries and retail purchases.
The researchers theorized that consumers socked away a good chunk of their windfall, since the personal savings rate went up during that period as well. That could indicate that as the economy improved, consumers didn't need to turn around and spend everything they saved on necessities. On the other hand, that finding is hardly the last word on what happened; another recent study over the same period with more comprehensive financial data found that consumers spent nearly all they saved on non-gasoline items.
Either way, if prices went back up to where they were in 2014 — they averaged $3.40 a gallon nationally — there's no guarantee that consumers would return to their 2014 spending habits. "We cannot say for sure whether the consumer responses to a decrease and increase in gas prices would be symmetric," says Fiona Greig, director of research at the JPMorgan Chase Institute.
Instead, that will have to do with a lot of other factors: The pace of wage growth, changes in tax rates, whether transit options have become more or less appealing in big cities, and how people feel about their personal economic futures.


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1. You're using the wrong type of makeup.
Most women tend to pack on more makeup to cover their acne. There's nothing wrong with concealing, but make sure you're using the right products for your skin type.
If you're prone to acne, read the label and stay away from ingredients such as lanolin, mineral oil, and petroleum that might lead to really bad breakouts. To keep your skin from getting irritated, go for mineral makeup instead. They're non-comedogenic, meaning they won't clog your pores.
2. You keep touching your face.
Think about the things you touch every day. Your computer's keyboard, the door knob of the public restroom, your cellphone, and the handle of the MRT—they're all filled with millions of bacteria.
Touching your face is one of the easiest ways to get a zit. Always practice proper hand washing and disinfect your phone and other gadgets by cleaning them at the end of each day.
3. You're tamad AF.
Your skincare regimen has to be solid so you don't get pimples often. Be diligent about keeping your face clean and moisturized, and stick to oil-free products if you have oily skin.
Try: Pond's Acne Clear White Facial Wash
4. You don't wash your sheets.
Change your pillow cases—which can breed bacteria—at least once or twice a week. Also, consider the type of laundry detergent you use for your sheets. Go for one that is fragrance- and dye-free.
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You can use the most expensive acne treatments and put them all to waste if you don't watch your diet. According to mayoclinic.org, studies have shown that certain dairy products and carb-rich foods such as bread, bagels, and chips may trigger acne. So next time you're in need of a snack, opt for fruits and veggies instead!
6. You don't exfoliate.
Give your face a good scrub once a week to slough off dead skin cells, bacteria, and excess oils (Warning: doing it daily may trigger more oil production = more acne).
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