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Saturday, May 9, 2009
Americans, please wash hands before criticizing Obama
New Rule: Now that we've answered his call to wash our hands, President Obama must continue to tell us how to live. Last week, when America was faced with the pan-global swine flu omega death plague, the President went on TV and told people to wash their hands, and experts tell us this made a big difference, which augurs well for next month's "National Wipe Your Butt Day." Next week, in a fireside chat, he'll tell us not to put a fork in the toaster.
It's sad that the leader of the free world had to call a live press conference to tell his nation of clueless nitwits that employees must wash hands before returning to work. If that's not the "Forrest Gump-ification" of America, I don't know what is. Feeling wet, America? Why not try new, "Coming in from the Rain"?
You may think I'm blowing this out of proportion, but this plea from Obama - you know, the "Audacity of Soap" - was the first specific thing a President has asked the American people to actually do in decades. Unless you count "go shopping." Hopefully it will open the door to other, slightly weightier suggestions from the President.
So please, Mr. President, tell us to turn the lights off when we leave the room. Tell us not to buy crap we don't need and can't afford. Tell us to lay off the Ring Dings and Cheese Nips, and think twice before dating a stranger we meet on craigslist. For God's sake, tell people to read a newspaper. Not just to save the newspaper industry - though Lord knows I'd miss my Daily Jumble - but because having a public that actually knows something is our best defense against ever again electing a President who knows nothing.
There's a name for people who do the right thing for their country, even if it involves sacrifice. And no, it's not "socialists." It's "patriots." We all know the modern definition of a patriot: It's the person who pays the least taxes and listens to the most A.M. radio. But that wasn't what it always meant.
Patriots want their fellow citizens to be able to go to the hospital. They want to make sure no one sells them bread made out of Chinese skulls. They want a country where the deer and the antelope can still play - and not just so Sarah Palin can shoot them from a helicopter. Patriots want to burn less coal and buy less oil. Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House roof and Ronald Reagan had them removed. You've heard of "opposite marriage"? This is "opposite patriotism."
Rush Limbaugh celebrated this Earth Day by praising coal-fired power plants and the plastic bag, while Glenn Beck cheered a man on while he cut down trees.
During the campaign, Obama suggested that one simple thing Americans could do to help with fuel-efficiency was check their car's tire pressure. And Republicans freaked, because to them, every suggestion for the common good is a direct attack on their personal liberty, and it's unpatriotic to interfere with anyone's God-given right to be big, dumb and selfish.
When the President suggests things that will help the greater good, that's not a slight against your fragile manhood. I know, you're a rugged individualist. But you're not - you're just a schmuck.
Going back to Reagan, all of our leaders have predictably and reliably told us that government is always the problem, never you my precious, perfect American citizen. You are always perfect just the way you are, like a precious little snowflake. A beautiful, precious, 350-pound, pig-ignorant snowflake.
-Bill Maher
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- ZenGrouch said...
I think it's great that we have a president who is able to talk down to the dumbest of us, without making us feel like Republicans...
This could start a new trend, and eliminate 92% of the Republican voting base, if Obama can just turn the dumb fucks, and make them see the light.
Now, if our president tells us to *NOT* go to work, when we're plump, walking virus's ready to explode, spreading infecting to everyone in the building, tell me this won't appeal to idiots.
Granted, it will be directed at anal douche bags who have to go to work in contagious states, just to show everyone what brave little soldiers they are, and to give them a preview of their next two miserable weeks, at home in bed WHERE THEY FUCKING BELONG!
But anyway, the message will have great mass appeal to people, who probably don't have a job anyway. No harm, no foul!
Once he's comfortable in office, maybe Obabm can start telling us what it's *OK* to do!
Like it's fine for kids to play outside after dark.
Yeah, I know, one or two of 'em might get snatched off the street, but that's life. We can't live in fear, and what, the chances of getting snatched by a stranger are something like 10,000,000 to 0.1
I like those odds. Besides, if the kids don't go outside and play, a lot more of 'em will die from heart failure, than from getting raped to death.
***brought to you by kiddie rapers for Obama***...sorry couldn't resist
- May 9, 2009 at 2:36 PM
- GOD said...
WOW! Bill Maher...what a genius! You should take your own life. You should get the "angriest person" award. How does a little frail, gay man like you get to talk about people like the Republicans without worring that one of them might crack your little frail ass and make you cry? Oh..you must be gay, anyone as ugly as you couldn't possibly hook up with a woman. Your a little turd!
- May 9, 2009 at 2:51 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
...hmm, I always *knew* god was a bully!
- May 9, 2009 at 2:54 PM
- GOD said...
Don't tell anyone but I'm using God as a Euphemism...
- May 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Well, then you'd be using the moniker *ASS HOLE*...
...you can't fool me lord!
- May 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM
- Zenhomo said...
Another tough guy Democ-rat! Always hiding behind your words. Let me guess your gay, in the UAW, and are angry alot...just like most Democ-rats. Lets think about what you have going for you...You like Homosexuality, especially sodomy, you made the union..."leaches", your angry hence your articulate use of words like FUCK, etc. oh yeah your also good at passing laws that put people into jail who punch you in the face for shooting off your mouth becuse your too much of a puss to defend yourself. you'd rather write about people and use your favorite work "FUCK". Dude your pathetic!
- May 9, 2009 at 3:35 PM
- Zenhomo said...
Democrats, Support the unions that killed the american car makers and other business too numerous to mention. They want gay marriage. Support abortion. Like to curse alot. Love to make fun of people less intelligent than themselves. Are computor savey due to the fear of confrontation. Hug trees, belive in global warming, the list goes on. The one that kills me is they actually think they are exceptional! I am laughing so hard I think I peed my pants!!!!!
- May 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM
- Zenhomo said...
Cmon Zen lighten up! Your blow an O-ring and end up looking like Maher, who incendently is beginning to look like a crass between Phillis Diller and Albert Einstein..I friggen kill, ha ha has. Bill has a little pee pee!
- May 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Yeah, I'm a homo all right...
I love you lord!
God speaks to MEEEEEEE!!!!
- May 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM
- Cyd said...
How much do you get paid to be here ALL THE TIME, ZenTurd?
Because if you aren't getting paid, then don't you have a life that you need to constantly be protecting Maher's? Eh pathetic little fool?
- May 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Such a hater...
I'm here expressing my love for Jesus, my lord and savior, and...
...WHOOO! wait a minute there!
Are you sure your name isn't *Syd the Yid?*
How come you killed the baby Jesus, Mr. Hater?
- May 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
I'm really liking the new people!
Oh and, I don't "need" Obama to tell me to wash my hands!
DUH! I forgot Zen..we be the stupid ones, right?
Now show me your smartness again!
Never mind, you showed it already before I got this posted!
- May 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"I'm really liking the new people!"...
...misery loves company
- May 9, 2009 at 7:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
Go suck on your thoughts Zen,
I don't give a rats ass what you think or do!
- May 9, 2009 at 7:56 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Oh and, I don't "need" Obama to tell me to wash my hands!"...
Right... they got all kinds of signs at work reminding you to wash your filthy hands.
***would you like fries with that sir?***
- May 9, 2009 at 7:56 PM
- Anonymous said...
Zen, You are the perfect example as to what our Country is headed for....
Nothing but Hate, loathing and stupidity!
Bring it on asshole!bi
- May 9, 2009 at 8:11 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Such an angry person you are!
All you have to do is accept Lord Jesus into your life, and the hate will become a thing of the past.
***God Bless You!***
- May 9, 2009 at 8:23 PM
- Anonymous said...
Oh, The Pot calling the Kettle black?
How funny you are!
- May 9, 2009 at 8:24 PM
- Anonymous said...
And Yes, you might be surprised!
- May 9, 2009 at 8:25 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"And Yes, you might be surprised!"...
Let me guess...
...the *secret special sauce* where you work is spit?
- May 9, 2009 at 8:36 PM
- Anonymous said...
I love it when you post, you prove how stupid you are!
Keep up the good work!
- May 9, 2009 at 8:41 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Keep up the good work!"...
*Then* will I get my big surprise?
***...oh, and don't forget to cover your mouth when you're coughing up sperm.***
- May 9, 2009 at 8:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
You have to think too long for a comeback.....
- May 9, 2009 at 8:57 PM
- Anonymous said...
Gay Hater!
- May 9, 2009 at 8:59 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"You have to think too long for a comeback....."...
Now *THAT's* Funny!
...have you met Jesús?
- May 9, 2009 at 9:07 PM
- Anonymous said...
ZenGrouch said...
...have you met Jesús?
As a matter of fact, he is in my life and you wouldn't be as vile and vulger as you are if he were in yours.
Keep hating Zen, it will catch up with you and you are wasting precious seconds of your life hating when you could be loving!
I don't hate you, just think you're an asshole!
And I never said I was A Perfect Bible Thumper!
- May 9, 2009 at 9:15 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
...Jesús love you long time por 10 pesos!
- May 9, 2009 at 9:22 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"As a matter of fact, he is in my life and you wouldn't be as vile and vulger as you are if he were in yours."...
Yet *here* you are...
...demanding that I post my vulgarity *FASTER* in an attempt to satisfy your insatiable appetite for filth!!!
- May 9, 2009 at 9:27 PM
- Anonymous said...
Hell yeah!
- May 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM
- Anonymous said...
I just love how you make an ass of yourself everytime you touch the keyboard!
Nothing's on T.V., so it's funnin' with the Zenin'!
- May 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM
- Cyd said...
Either you get paid to ramble on about utter nonsense or you are simply a loser. Either scenario makes you a loser, however in one, you actually get paid for your loserness.
Well, I guess a third possibility is that you have "visions" of Maher's balls dancing in your head and you feel are in apparent need of protecting. Being a weirdo obsessive is not such a great alternative...
- May 10, 2009 at 7:25 AM
- mike m said...
independent thinker
I see you've picked up and set up shop somewhere else. Don't get too comfortable.
In response to the original post:
Hand washing:
"In the Marines they teach you not to piss on your hands."
Good advice. If you don't piss all over yourself, you don't have to worry about cleaning it up, or something like that.
"Audacity of Soap" - was the first specific thing a President has asked the American people to actually do in decades.
You're forgetting that President Bush told us to "keep spending money" after the 9/11 attacks. Some Americans seem to be under the impression that the government has no business telling them that they are going to have to sacrifice a little, for the good of the country. It's unAmerican; It sounds too much like FDR.
But Americans used to take pride in the sacrifices they made for the good of the country. Look at all the sacrifices Americans made during the Depression and WWII. Were they all for naught? Are we so big now,that we shouldn't have to make sacrifices anymore? People are squandering the sacrifices made by their parents and grandparents so they could have a better life.
There's an oxymoron that seems to be plaguing the Republican Party and The Heritage Foundation. They talk about passing on government debt to future generations by spending too much money. But what they neglect is the future energy crisis and healthcare meltdown.
I would love to expound on this, but I'm cooking for Mother's Day. I'm doing gourmet Italian - Gnocchi in an asparagus vodka sauce. Asparagus is in season here.
Take time to reflect on the sacrifices your Mother and Grandmother made so you could have a better life - even if they're not with us anymore.
- May 10, 2009 at 7:56 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Well, I guess a third possibility is that you have "visions" of Maher's balls dancing in your head and you feel are in apparent need of protecting."...
Holeeeeey Shiiieeet!
This pops out of your demented brain, and you feel compelled to put it into words...
...and *I'm* the loser here?
***don't forget to wash your hands after circle jerking with fellow Right Wing-Dings***
- May 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"I just love how you make an ass of yourself everytime you touch the keyboard!"...
So, which is it, you love my vile posts...
...or do you love Jesus?
Or, are you just another Right Wing-Nut Hypocrite who uses the bible for nothing other than a thing to wave in the air to show everyone how you're so much better than everyone who doesn't love the Baby Jesus!
- May 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM
- Cyd said...
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- May 10, 2009 at 3:35 PM
- Cyd said...
...and *I'm* the loser here?.
Of course you are. Of that, there is no doubt. What remains in question is why you are a loser.
- May 10, 2009 at 3:37 PM
- Anonymous said...
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- May 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM
- Anonymous said...
mike m said...
independent thinker
I see you've picked up and set up shop somewhere else. Don't get too comfortable.
And why not? Are you in charge of this site? Unless you are Bill Maher undercover and want to delete all my post, I can get comfortable anywhere I choose!
I like it here!
It makes me realize that even the slightest little bit of hate I ever feel for anything is "nothing" compared to the hate I read and see from so many bitter people. I don't hate any of you, just can't figure out if the Doctor slapped you or if you slapped the Doctor, which the latter is probably true! :)
And Zenny! No, I'm not a Bible toting crazy as you put it. I was just raised with morals and taught the meaning of Love and forgiveness when warranted but, people like you sometimes make it really hard to live up to that!
I love you Man!!!!
- May 10, 2009 at 4:12 PM
- Anonymous said...
- May 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM
- Crusader said...
Hey Bill, I enjoyed your last two shows far more than I have in a long time. I agree that the citizens are too often coddled and need to be slapped in shape once in a while. I am deeply upset that Obama is not doing his part by protecting our borders from third-worlders who bring these disease in and not just swine flu, but TB and the like. Tuberculosis is becoming more of an issue strictly because of illegal immigration. Legal immigrants are made to undergo tests to see if they have such deadly illnesses. Not illegals. Swine flu is just the tip of the iceberg. The single thing that Obama could do to win over conservatives who don't hate him no matter what is protect our border. That one act would win over countless conservatives who felt like the Republicans were no better than the Democrats concerning this issue. If he protected our borders, he would have far more political capital to enact his Green industrial revolution and other noble causes. Environmentalists should be willing to sacrifice their socialist desire to defend illegals and worry about the environment first. I know that Obama ending illegal immigration and benefits for illegals would take all the wind out of the intense opposition he's facing. That is a fact. Many conservatives would love him for this single stance. It is such a thorn in our sides. Even those that aren't environmentalist such as me would find it hard to dislike him, because they would feel so relieved that someone's finally protecting our borders.
- May 10, 2009 at 7:19 PM
- Anonymous said...
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- May 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM
- Anonymous said...
Oh yeah, like Obama will protect our borders while he dismantles our defenses! I do agree Bush did not do enough to protect our borders but:
Taliban....Taking over Pakistan, violence has stepped up in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan....N. Korea threatening Nuclear test missile, Iran don't give a shit what we do!
Without a defense...We have no Offense!
- May 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM
- mike m said...
Even if I were Bill Maher in incognito, I wouldn't dream of deleting you're posts. I enjoy having the opportunity to directly address some of the misinformation being spread by powerful groups such as The Heritage Foundation, through right wing media like The Canada Free Press.
Do I hate? Having an opposing opinion is one thing. But when it comes to self-serving/special interest serving organizations and individuals, that fabricate, omit and spin the facts, in an attempt to affect public policy - yeah, I hate.
...while he dismantles our defenses!
I suppose you're referring to the new defense spending proposals. Sure, much of the media is reporting that he is cutting defense spending. But what the DOD is really trying to do is transition from antiquated WWII, conventional type warfare, to an insurgency type warfare. Stealth fighters and bombers are practically useless against insurgents. What is effective, is the unmanned Predator aircraft. So, we're cutting on Stealth and increasing on Predator.
The DOD is also implementing an entirely new procurement system which will save money by eliminating many of the "no bid" contracts which allows contractors to charge $20,000 for a toilet seat.
This is pissing off many defense contractors. So, these defense contractors go to organizations, like The Heritage Foundation, and contract them to spread rumors and misinformation in an attempt sway public opinion and to derail the new policy. And people like Dick Cheney go on shows like Face The Nation, and say we're "less safe".
- May 11, 2009 at 5:54 AM
- mike m said...
I slapped the doctor after he slapped me first!
- May 11, 2009 at 6:40 AM
- mike m said...
We do not hate. Were merely fighting back, finally, after being bullied by people like Cheney for far too long!
- May 11, 2009 at 6:44 AM
- mike m said...
I can agree with you're position on illegal immigration, but not so much with you're assessment. You practically refer to them as being disease carrying rodents. They are also referred to, by some, as drug/gun smuggling criminals. This may be true for a small number, but certainly not the majority. However, the number (percentage) is increasing. It is the ones that facilitate illegal immigration, on the other side of the fence, that are the criminals - Human trafficking, it's not just for Chinese massage parlors anymore. But I digress.
Environmentalists should be willing to sacrifice their socialist desire to defend illegals
Environmentalism has evolved far beyond The Green Party and Socialism. It's not environmentalists that are fueling this fight for illegals on the left side of the aisle. It's simply the fact that most Hispanics vote Democratic, with the exception of some Cuban Americans. I think what moderate Democrats want to do is change the legal immigration process, making it unnecessary for Mexicans to pay $2,500 (or whatever it is now) to a human trafficker, to be allowed to go through the tunnel or over the fence and enter this country illegally. Democrats want them here, legally, so they can vote.
Now, on the other side of the aisle. I can directly address this issue, having worked and presently own a business in the construction industry for 30 years. I know exactly what Republican business owners in construction want and don't want. What do these businesses want? More work. How do they get more work? By out bidding the competition. How do they out bid the competition and still make money? Cut costs. How do they cut costs without sacrificing quality? Pay their employees less and avoid paying payroll taxes. How do they maintain a workforce and not get in trouble with the IRS? Hire illegal immigrants who will work for less and list them on the books as independent contractors, and give them a 1099 at the end of the year. Legal immigrants, who have real social security and bank accounts, must pay taxes on the amount of the 1099. They have to pay taxes because there were none withheld on the payroll. Illegals, just don't file. Still with me?
Now, let me put some numbers behind this. People who have worked in the industry know, that $15/hr on payroll and $15/hr as a subcontractor are not the same when it comes to taxes. It's not the same for the employer either. An employer that pays a worker $15/hr will cost the employer about $20-22/hr. Whereas, if the employer pays him as a sub, 15 means 15. The extra taxes get passed on to the employee. Unless of course the employee has many expenses which can be "written off". In that case the employee itemizes deductions rather than taking the standard deduction. So, enough of the accounting lesson. What's the bottom line? With a large illegal work force, about $20,000 can be shaved off a $250,000 home, just on labor.
This is the real reason why illegals are allowed in this country, and it's not limited to the construction industry, by any means. It's not the Socialists, it's The Chamber of Commerce and big business.
But I fear the real reason that regular Americans are against illegal immigration is that they don't like driving down Main St. and seeing a "bunch of greasy Mexicans" standing on the corner, looking like they're up to no good.
- May 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
Cheney sez:
""If I don't speak out, then where do we find ourselves? ... Then the critics have free run, and there isn't anybody there on the other side to tell the truth," Cheney said on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday."...
So, this megalomaniac, who along with Bush has fucked the Republican Party, and the rest of America, up the ass for the past 8 years, somehow believes that if he doesn't speak up, NOBODY ELSE in the party will tell the truth, in the face of such mean and vicious attacks by the big bad liberals?!
...well, a really funny cunt.
He and Rush should take their act on the road!
Or, maybe do a Cheech and Chong style movie, snorting Oxycontin off each other's ass holes, and getting into all kinds of crazy trouble.
- May 11, 2009 at 9:34 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
Cheney: Who is it?
Rush: It's me, Rush. Open up, man, I got the Oxycontin.
(More knocks)
Cheney: Who is it?
Rush: It's me, Rush, man. Open up this stall door, I got the stuff.
Cheney: Who?
Rush: It's, Rush, man. Open up, I think the airport cops saw me come in here. Unlock this god damned toilet door.
(More knocks)
Cheney: Who is it?
Rush: It's, Rush, man. Will you open up this fucking shitter door, I got the Oxycontin with me.
Cheney: Who?
Rush: Rush, man. Open up.
Cheney: Rush?
Rush: Yeah, Rush. C'mon, man, open up, I think the airport cops saw me blowing that dude.
Cheney: Rush's not here.
Rush: No, man, I'm Rush, man.
(Sharp knocks at the door)
Rush: Hey, c'mon, man.
Cheney: Who is it?
Rush: It's Rush, man. Will you open up? I got the Oxycontin with me.
Cheney: Who?
Rush: Rush, man. Open up.
Cheney: Rush?
Rush: Yeah, Rush.
Cheney: Rush's not here.
Rush: What the hell? No, man, I am Rush, man. Will you...
(More knocks)
Rush: C'mon! Open up the door, will you? I got the Oxy with me, I think the airport pigs saw me.
Cheney: Who is it?
Rush: Oh, what the hell is it...c'mon. Open up the door! It's Rush!
Cheney: Who?
Rush: Rush! R-U-S-H! Will you open up the goddam door so I can get in there and we can snort Oxycontin off each other's nut sacks!
Cheney: Rush?
Rush: Yeah, Rush!
Cheney: Rush?
Rush: Right, man. Rush. Now will you open up the toilet door?
Cheney: Rush's not here.
- May 11, 2009 at 9:57 AM
- Crusader said...
Illegal immigrants are paid too little by their employers who thus pass the buck of their cost of living onto the taxpayer. The taxpayer bears the burden of illegals' excessive birth rate in our emergency rooms. The taxpayers pay the burden of imprisoning the criminals, not just over drugs which I'm for legalizing, but the violent and sex offenders. We pay to put them in our schools and give them food stamps. The taxpayer needs to wake up and be willing to pay more for our fruit and houses and the like, for we're already paying through the nose for it via the indirect route of taxation. If the employers pay their employees more, native-born U.S. citizens will take those jobs. Native-borns don't have the excessive birth rate and thus would actually have a lower cost of living altogether. We pay a little more for our fruit and houses, but far less in taxes and we'll altogether be paying less and hiring our people, who need the work but aren't as prone to seeing welfare as a valid means of survival. We need to stop being afraid of saying we want to protect our own. The Mexicans are proud of their race and culture and protect it well in their country and their communities here. We need to take a cue from them.
- May 11, 2009 at 9:58 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
John Demjanjuk, is getting fucked again, this time by Germany & the U.S. of A.
"He was once accused by the United States and Israel of being a notoriously brutal S.S. guard at the Treblinka camp known as "Ivan the Terrible." After appeals, that allegation was eventually dropped by both countries, but later other allegations were made against him."...
This quote from CNN fails to mention that the witnessed in Israel all LIED to get a conviction. Demjanjuk was then sentenced to DEATH, awaiting his execution, when Russia, presented documentation proving the old man's innocence.
So, if Russia wouldn't have stepped forward Israel would have murdered ANOTHER innocent person!
Now it's Germany's turn to have a crack at killin' him.
Why didn't they bring him to trial, a decade or three ago, if this guy was such a monster?
...and Crusader, you fucking Nazi, PLEASE don't say anything in support of ANYTHING I ever say... PLEASE!
- May 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM
- Crusader said...
Dude, Zengrouch, just because we happen to agree on a few things doesn't mean we're anything alike. Anyone whose read the other blog will know that if we met we'd probably get in a fight. So, don't cater to undiscerning fools. I happen to be an environmentalist and a vegetarian, does that mean all environmentalists and vegetarians are against illegal immigration and affirmative action? Absolutely not. I happen to believe the Earth is billions of years old. Does that mean all who concur also are white pride like me? No. So, let it be known that Zengrouch hates most of what I say and I hate most of what he says. On that note, just as you would find it foolish and upsetting for someone to call you an Anti-Semite, so to do I not consider myself a Nazi. Yes, I'm white pride, but I would never harm anyone. I would never kill anyone unless my loved ones or I were in eminent mortal danger. One can be proud of their race without wanting to harm others. Believe it or not, my best friends are Jewish, and they know in general where I stand on politics, but they also know I love 'em as my homeboys and got their back no matter what. As I said, I voted for Obama, so I certainly know how to judge a person by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. I am not a Nazi, because when you say that word it implies I'm a murderous thug. I wouldn't harm an animal, let alone a human. But, go on believing I'm a Nazi, just as others will think you're anti-semitic because you dare dis on Israel and tell the truth about Demjanjuk.
- May 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
Wow, its good to know that Maher's blog comments have become kindergarten bantering for three (plus) idiots with internet-version microphones - spewing out their own opinion like puke and blocking all sources of information besides those pre-approved to be in agreement with currently held beliefs -
this entire page is the problem with America, from the tug-of-war game with Jesus to the random insults dealing no facts or information whatsoever....
I bet not one person on this page reads a newspaper, or informs themselves about anything from the "other side."
Imagine how much more intelligent and interesting every single post in here would be if you all were just a little smarter, and kinder.
- May 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
I am SICK of hearing all this raving for Obama.
He is a PUPPET. A false god sent to appease us complainers - we were getting too rowdy, too angry. Now we all love him?
Think about everything he promised on the campaign trail - why do we not hold him accountable for not pulling troops out of Iraq, which was the first thing he said he'd do? Why do we not ask him why he won't reopen NAFTA to renegotiate for the lack of fair labor laws and environmental protection? Are any of you bothered that the NS Advisor takes his orders from HENRY KISSINGER every day?
The best thing that ANY ONE of you could do would be to listen to someone you don't like - I don't mean HEAR them, I mean LISTEN. You know, the thing you do when you stop thinking about what you're gonna say, and concentrate on the other person?
Yea, that arcane practice.
- May 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"On that note, just as you would find it foolish and upsetting for someone to call you an Anti-Semite, so to do I not consider myself a Nazi. Yes, I'm white pride, but I would never harm anyone."...
You have shown yourself to be a White Supremacist, stating that genetically whites got more going on, than other races.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but you've given me the impression that you also feel that these inferior races have achieved positions in our society, they do not deserve, have not earned, and should be removed from.
Sorry, but this is close enough to the Nazi philosophy for me to put you into that category, even if you don't have photos of Hitler hanging on your wall sandwiched in between a pair of grand swastikas.
Not all Nazis were in on the 'final solution' however, their beliefs that are very close to yours, allowed the murders to take place.
However, I have no proof that you are an actual Nazi, so in the future, I'll not refer to you as one unless given reason to do so.
I will refer to you as a White Supremacist. Something very similar to the Nazis and Klansmen.
- May 11, 2009 at 9:08 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Wow, its good to know that Maher's blog comments have become kindergarten bantering for three (plus) idiots with internet-version microphones - spewing out their own opinion like puke and blocking all sources of information besides those pre-approved to be in agreement with currently held beliefs -"...
Who here is *BLOCKING* what exactly?
Is the amount of space here limited, to the degree where some of us are using the bandwidth of others?
Or do you just feel that the opinions of some should not be expressed?
If so wouldn't that really fly in the face of:
"The best thing that ANY ONE of you could do would be to listen to someone you don't like - I don't mean HEAR them, I mean LISTEN. You know, the thing you do when you stop thinking about what you're gonna say, and concentrate on the other person?
Yea, that arcane practice.
To me this sounds like the ramblings of the typical right wing nut, who believes there is one way, and only one way to think & talk.
The RUSH way!
- May 11, 2009 at 9:14 PM
- Anonymous said...
Well, I for one would rather be a "sheep" than a "JackAss"!
- May 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Yeah, sheep are well known for their "independent thinking"...
...when they aren't getting fucked by Farmer George, they're getting sheared or turned into mutton!
- May 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM
- Anonymous said...
You still such a funny guy!
A little warped, but funny!
- May 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
***a *LITTLE* warped?!***...
...more like full blown *twisted*
- May 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
ZenGrouch said...
***a *LITTLE* warped?!***...
...more like full blown *twisted*
For once you speak the truth!
Goodnight My Sweet!
- May 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
Zen, though I really dislike identifying with anything, the nouns you all would use to describe me would be these:
tree-hugging pot-smoking dirt-worshiping corporate-hating college hippie
so, not exactly right-wing material. BUT - I can spot a fractional thinker when I see one. You my friends practice what media students call fragmentation: you listen and speak with only the people to whom your naive philosophies cater, and everything else that disagrees with that has many ready answers, waiting on some Google search result page 1.
So, instead of doing the same thing you do every night (bicker on blogposts being one of them,) please take a moment to learn something new:
Krishnamurti and David Bohm on the Future of Humanity:
I have to go right a thesis on that, so...
Thank you and goodnight.
- May 11, 2009 at 10:45 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
did i mention pot-smoking? yes, good, i did.
- May 11, 2009 at 10:46 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
You've said nothing of substance, other than to cast me in a light I disagree with, and spew the standard, "Me no like Obama, him a false god!"
Would you care to comment on some of the points I've brought up in this blog?
You've also brought up the media. Have you ever checked out any reputable fact checking web sites, when it comes to the promises Obama made, and the one's he's kept?
And what exactly do you expect? Do you feel that he should have kept all of his political promises in the first 100 days?
It would seem so, judging from your disgruntled stance.
Now, is that an expectation that is based in reality, stupidity, or sheer hatred?
You come off like an idiot AND a phony.
Now... when a Republican preaches to the choir, as you have accused me of doing, this tactic is quite effective!
And if you can't even give a brief synopsis of your video links, don't expect me to waste my time on what will inevitably turn out to be right wing-nut idiotic propaganda and lies.
And once again, what exactly has anyone here "blocked?"
And how are your comments I previously quoted, not hypocritical on several levels?
- May 11, 2009 at 11:15 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Oh, and let me guess Lauren...
The only person you've ever cast a presidential vote for in your young life, is that demented fuck, Nader?
- May 11, 2009 at 11:25 PM
- mike m said...
Love the picture of Hunter S. My uncle just went to The Kentucky Derby, so I sent him a copy of The Kentucky Derby Is Decadent and Depraved. He said it wasn't that bad.
It must be nice to be young, idealistic and in college. Sure, I would love to be able to drop everything and go write a thesis on Krishnamurti, Sangharakshita, Sri Chinmoy, Osho, or Alan Watts, or even Tom Robbins, for that matter. I'd like to be able to take the time and go out and visit Sasha Shulgin and see what he's been "cooking up".
But us middle aged fucks don't have that luxury. Read a newspaper? Are you kidding? Maybe I'll have time to listen to NPR while I'm at work. Newspapers are becoming antiquated, anyway. The only one that actually does any real investigative journalism anymore is Knight Ridder.
Sick of Obama already, huh? Well, he, like many of us, live in the real world. We can't just wave a magic wand and make everything better, instantly. Is he a corporate pawn? I suspect he is tied to GE the way W was tied to Exxon/Mobile. But at least he has a brain in his head, and can think for himself. Surely, somewhere in your "philosophical journeys" you've come across the idiom that "change comes from within". Pulling troops out of Iraq? i think he's set the timetable for that, which was pretty close to what he said during the campaign. Of course, the new American Embassy in Iraq must first be completed, to fulfill the contractual obligations set by the Bush administration with the Dubai contractors, right? Show me a construction project that isn't running behind. NAFTA? That's become meaningless. Although, with this latest swine flu thing, it may need to be reopened for IFAP issues. Mexico doesn't have the same standards we do for raising hogs, and ours are borderline to begin with. Here's a good domestic IFAP report:
Pew Commision
Maybe you can tell me what Krishnamurti has to say about feeding a nation. Capitalism and Entrepreneurship built this country. Corporatism made it affordable to most. But the path that Corporatism is on is unsustainable. Much of it is due to the exploding population. Much of it is greed and ideological beliefs. Almost all of the issues facing this country are around the unsustainability of the corporate system. Hindu and Buddhist philosophies are not going to solve them. At least, not in the short term. So, you "thinkers" can just go do your thesis, while we "doers" try to fix the problems and listen to you complain.
Oh, and, surely a college student should know how to post an HTML link. The only programming I've ever done was Basic and FORTRAN 77 (formula translation 1977), and even I know a few HTML tags.
Visit W3Schools!
- May 12, 2009 at 5:48 AM
- mike m said...
Personally, as far as philosophy, call me old fashioned, but I'm more of a John Locke person.
- May 12, 2009 at 6:27 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
Ah, forget to show the good ole hyperlink skills and next think i know i've got a middle-aged fuck berating me on my young savvy tech status.
Well sorry mike, i must have been in a hurry. exams, papers, you know how it goes.
I guess clicking on a link is just asking too much of the blogger type (welcome new definition of lazy), but for those who didn't explore, here's a description of the movie:
Physicist Bohm and philosopher Krishnamurti discuss the future of humanity, the path it is on, the nature of thought (inherently limited, destructive), and so on.
Worth the time more than so many other things on the web...
Anyway, so what does K say about feeding a nation? Yea, we built this city on rock and roll and sex and drugs and capitalist dog-eat-dog competition...
but the truth is, we don't work as well as we could like that. yea, its certainly become a quick way to get money from the market, but lets be real about the future here:
Technology will continue to grow at an exponential rate. If the advances we've made in the past year haven't awed you, you're not reading the right news(papers). Maybe newspapers are antiquated the same way tape decks are, but that doesn't mean music or good writing will ever disappear. The technology only changes. And it gets so much better so quickly.
So, flash forward however long it takes (shorter than my lifetime). We have limitless amounts of clean water, nutritious food, and if we're smart enough, a stable ecosystem and population. What will happen to the job market when robots do all our meaningless, mindless labor? When our free time skyrockets, what will we be doing? Competing? Maybe for pleasure, like sports or something. But really, we will be collaborative. We will have to be, in order to achieve the grand things that we all hope to, such as space exploration.
But lets backtrack to technology here. I'm not just talking about endless resources (not endless expansion - ENTIRELY different thing). People will be super healthy and live very much longer, perhaps with time even forever (digital transferrence of memory, read sci-fi).
So where does capitalism come into that? It doesn't. Money? Nope. Debt and credit and banks and food stamps and public school taxes? All gone. Imagine that stage of humanity when the resources to maintain a school or hospital, the energy and time required, will take such a fractional amount of human effort that we will be free to pursue,
Oh, I guess I should reply to mike again. the "doer".
Unfortunately for "doers," you need thinkers or else you'll be doing dumb shit. So hey, here's a great idea: Let's all start being nice to one another and listening to each other. I'll listen to the "doers," the people out in the field telling me all the ground-level problems (and, oh yea, been there done that in Africa, Asia and S. America), and you can listen to what others outside of your world say, and maybe get fresh ideas you'd never think of before.
Damn, i love utopian ideals.
c'mon, i am a young college idealist after all, right?
too bad for you old folks... you're missin out, being optimistic is fun.
Oh, and Zen, well, you just aren't really worth replying to. mike had so much more interesting and productive stuff to say, even if it was in that anonymous bitchy tone that every internet ranter spews out in proof of those oh-so-ugly human traits of bitterness, anger, and.. yea. all that baggage. sucks.
- May 12, 2009 at 7:04 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
And, personally,
as far as philosophy (my major),
call me old fashioned, but I'm more of a Buddha person.
- May 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM
- Michelle Franklin is a said...
I wonder, Bill, have you seen the Zeitgeist films? Perhaps your thoughts and ideas could help their contributions.
- May 12, 2009 at 8:47 AM
- mike m said...
Yeah, I am a bit testy. I'm still waiting to hear from the DOE on a biomass research grant for a pilot project I'm developing. They were supposed to notify us by April 28. The deadline for the full application is June 11, and I haven't consulted with all of the architects and engineers yet, not to mention the attorneys and accountants.
I figured that little HTML jab would spark something. I was just listening to a debate on whether journalism majors should be forced to take HTML classes.
Technology? Yeah, I was a technology major, back when optics and photonics were interesting. Now it's all nano-bot technology. Soon we will all be cybernetic beings, with little nanobots running around our heads, connecting us to the "internet" or supernet or probably Googlenet, with just a thought. And through our bodies curing all of our diseases before they have a chance to get started. I may be a moldy old middle aged fuck, but I am on an NSF advisory panel, or alumni council, or something like that, whatever.
Thinkers? Reminds me too much of researchers. You know, the ones that spend 30 years studying every strain of algae on the planet, but have no way of mass producing it in a cost effective way. Open ponds? "Bubble columns"? Photobioreactors? Give me a break. And when someone who is part doer and part thinker, with no alphabet soup after his name comes up with a practical idea, he is politely dismissed. (Well, we'll see.)
Buddha? Believe it or not, I keep a copy of the Dhammapada on my coffee table, right next a copy of Aesop's Fables. Interesting pair, huh? I only had one philosophy class in college and it wasn't Intro... I skipped that and took Logic. Got an A. Still have the book by Howard Kahane. Most of my classes were math, physics and engineering. But don't let that fool you. I was the lead guitar player in a rock band back in the 80s. Got the scars and criminal record to prove it. But I'm feeling much better now.
You're right about the growth of technology. But the thing that bothers me is that it is all based on the same science. There hasn't really been any major scientific discoveries since Einstein, except maybe Hawking. Most of the technology is still based mostly on Maxwell's equations of electro-magnetism. It seems we're more focused on technology than science. One major scientific discovery could make all of current technology obsolete.
- May 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
Ah, its okay mike, i've been testy too - almost didn't graduate for some DUMB reasons, lemme tell ya...
Biomass research sounds fascinating. So what's your pilot study about?
You're very much correct about technology, it's nothing if we do not act responsibly to use it in the right way (and there IS a "right" and a "wrong" way to go about all this).
You're also right about thinkers. But again, the way we apply our tools, including the brain, is essential. If someone highly intellectual just sits in their office and reads all day (and i see this in college..) they will have a severe disconnect with the abstract ideas and the concrete world. this is one of the biggest problems in african aid right now, because people are just dumping money into the problems, no one really knows where it goes or what problems at ground level need it.
anyway, logic is cool, but also suffers from that disconnect - learning it is like learning algebra, and its hard for the average student to use that knowledge in real critical thinking situations. i'm re-writing a logic text book as an independent research study with a professor here, and our main goal is to try to make that real-world connection...
You don't think there have been great scientific discoveries? Quantum physics? Landing on Mars (finding salt water there)? Voyager leaving the solar system? Discovering life that has evolved not to reproduce (ants in Brazil)? And computers, I can't even keep up with protein folding and electrode-stimulus-from-the-brain virtual reality games...
i could go on... and i would, but i have to present on krishnamurti now.
- May 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM
- M.O.R said...
I believe in God, and I know that this guy is not God because he doesn't have a sense of humour. With the world so much in the toilet, ya know this has to be some designers idea of a joke.
Just my opinion, YMMV.
- May 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Oh, and Zen, well, you just aren't really worth replying to."...
Guess I'll take that as the answer to my questions of who is blocking what & why it is you come off like a hypocrite, who isn't nearly as deep as you'd like to come off.
"...mike had so much more interesting and productive stuff to say, even if it was in that anonymous bitchy tone"...
Seriously, are you a guy or a chick? It's difficult to tell when you have a name like Lauren, and come off like a pissy little bitch.
- May 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
...the trippy thing is, someday, this dude/chick thing Lauren, will be finished with presenting his papers explaining what other people were talking and thinking about, will graduate, get a job, and actually believe that he/she's a productive member of society, and not just a jack off.
- May 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM
- Anonymous said...
ZenGrouch said...
...the trippy thing is, someday, this dude/chick thing Lauren, will be finished with presenting his papers explaining what other people were talking and thinking about, will graduate, get a job, and actually believe that he/she's a productive member of society, and not just a jack off.
hmmmm....bashing someone who's furthering their Education for a better life?
I guess we should all be like you Zen and just come on here calling everyone stupid and vile names in order to make ourselves feel Superior.
Sounds like such a full and meaningful life!
- May 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"hmmmm....bashing someone who's furthering their Education for a better life?"...
Nope, you missed the mark again.
I'm bashing someone who has discovered the works of actual 'Independent Thinkers' then cherry picks the thoughts of others who have actually lived, then tells us that we should listen to what he/she believes to be relevant in life, although that person has probably never lived in the actual world.
I see this kind of person as a shark sucker, eating the scraps in return for removing parasites, smaller than he/she.
This is the kind of person who feels that an "education" is the do all and end all, and not just the beginning of the journey. A diploma is something to be stapled to one's forehead, showing that he/she is indeed *better* than low achievers.
A person blinded by their intelligence as well as ignorance. Someone who equates a paycheck with who they are, never knowing the latter, yet quick to tell others to stop and listen, so that they will be a better person, as he/she is, if they would only follow their lead and conform to what is truly the only way.
This is quite different from someone who educates themselves, to learn, rather than just inflate their already massive egos.
In other words, a phony who learned to play the game set up by other phonies.
Now if you'll excuse me, I must be off to *correctly* decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls...
- May 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM
- Anonymous said...
Oh, my bad Zen!
I forgot. All are ignorant - except Zen - All are wrong in their own views and values - except Zen - All have no right to free speech - except Zen - All are phony - except Zen - All are "little bitches" - except Zen - All have no right to debate - except Zen - All are Jack-Off's - except Zen....
I could go on!
- May 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
I think I touched a nerve.
Hm, work force? me?
I'm planning a trip thru SE Asia in the next few years before grad school.
In case you were curious (I'm assuming you were?)
Zen, you gotta calm down. i read your shit, seriously, i don't "block" it or.. whatever,
but i don't really even want to read your shit cause, well, its shit. you're just insulting and dumb.
and, i'm a blunt and straightforward person, so,
there you go
- May 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM
- zenhomo said...
I'm certain that ZenGrouch yes THE ZenGrouch was sexually abused as a child by a Gay UAW memeber that now works for Bill Maher. Zen you are a little turd man...
- May 12, 2009 at 4:11 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
Damn, it's so strange to read a description of a full personality and think that you're really trying to connect this idea with a person you have never talked to before the last six hours, and who you really don't know.
i mean, okay, hate bragging, but gotta be straight.
i've trecked all over this world because of my damned awesome education. i used up this school like a lime over a corona (o yea)
i've been to all but 2 continents. i have not stayed in one place for more than 6 months in...
6 or 7 years
or so
i've got the wanderlust,
itchy feet,
you know
maybe you don't.
- May 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"I forgot. All are ignorant - except Zen"...
If that's what you walked away with after reading my posts, I do know that your reading comprehension skills are in the shitter...
...ignorant too?
- May 12, 2009 at 4:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
You still such a funny guy!
- May 12, 2009 at 4:23 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"and, i'm a blunt and straightforward person, so, there you go"...
I've got no problems with being blunt and straightforward.
It's the hypocrisy of your writing that, doesn't quite touch a nerve, but causes an itch that needs to be scratched.
And I didn't accuse YOU of blocking anything.
YOU who came in here with both barrels blazing, making the accusation that 'yet unknown' persons were "blocking" the blissfully intelligent thoughts of the likes of you, in your wonderfulness!
Ah yessss, you acknowledged the idiocy of it all, and the shortcomings of our host, then blathering on about how *WE* should listen the drivel spilled by the likes of *YOU* and the elite travelers of the world, touring Asia with a strict itinerary, made up by someone I'm sure is in the know, about meeting and insulting new people all 'round the world.
I'm sure by now you can say, "I'm from America!" in at least 6 languages and 3 dialects of Chinese!
Good for you!
Now, stay with the heard, or you'll be killed for sure, you arrogant prick.
So then...
Who is it that's blocking what?
I'm only asking because it appears that you've allowed me back into your wonderful life, after dismissing me, with a Queenly wave of the hand, like you think you're Barbara Bush, Queen of Hell!
And while I'm asking questions that will never be answered...
Are you old enough to have voted for Nader twice?
- May 12, 2009 at 4:29 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
And you I.T. are quite predictable...
...BTW, that's not a good thing in my world.
- May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"i mean, okay, hate bragging, but gotta be straight.
i've trecked all over this world because of my damned awesome education. i used up this school like a lime over a corona (o yea)"...
OK now...
If this is true, how come you come off like such an ass hole?
I'm talking major league, world class asshole here.
Not just some state school peon asshole...
It's like you're trying to be an asshole's asshole!
Professor A. Hole, tenured at Bung Hole University...
**Class is dismissed**
- May 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
did i come off as arrogant? i'm just happy, i'm almost done with school completely. one more paper to write comparing Kant to Rousseau, and then i graduate.
can't help it, i'm confident, happy, proud.
you know nothing of what i've done, so,
nice try at the insults. i mean, i'm sure it'd really,
really hurt me,
if i was as you describe
but i'm not
i think you're just trying to...
win? or something? i don't even know. i guess all of this barking back and forth really entertains you, or gives you some lame adrenaline rush - but the rest of your life would have to be really boring for that to be true.
never voted for nader.
- May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
"both barrels blazing"
you some country western novelist or something?
what can i say...
i'm a blazing person
- May 12, 2009 at 5:09 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"i'm a blazing person"...
...blazing, flaming, whatever
I wasn't kidding when I asked if you were a dude or a chick. Or maybe both?
- May 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM
- Anonymous said...
Zenny, Zenny,
I feel sorry for you! Do you even have one bit of a sense of humor in that twisted, angry, foul thoughts only head of yours?
You need to lighten up or you're going to sit down so hard one day your two little brains explode!
- May 12, 2009 at 5:17 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
that's it?
that's your reply?
like i said...
and not really worth reading...
and okay, what i meant earlier when i said that you block out other information is that you do not listen to other people - this is clear from blogposts alone, which doesn't say much about your life...
ouch, man. you need to get out more.
- May 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Well then Mr/Ms Know-It-All...
If I block out all that I don't agree with, how do I come up with, and comment on, subjects, news and statements, I obviously disagree with, that I, however, find worthy of comment if not discussion?
You came in claiming that nobody here ever cracked a newspaper, and I'm assuming you meant the electronic media also, yet you didn't bother to reply to my invite to give your opinions on subjects that I've brought up in this very topic.
So, what is it?
Are you just stupid...
...or are you *BLOCKING*!
- May 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
If you want to play with fire, go grab your daddy's Zippo...
...and try not to cry and bitch when you get burned.
- May 12, 2009 at 5:52 PM
- Anonymous said...
The True Identity of Predictability:
ZenGrouch said...
Or, are you just another Right Wing-Nut Hypocrite who uses the bible for nothing other than a thing to wave in the air to show everyone how you're so much better than everyone who doesn't love the Baby Jesus!
...when they aren't getting fucked by Farmer George, they're getting sheared or turned into mutton!
You come off like an idiot AND a phony.
Now, stay with the heard, or you'll be killed for sure, you arrogant prick.
If this is true, how come you come off like such an ass hole?
I'm talking major league, world class asshole here.
You're almost at a Novel stage!
- May 12, 2009 at 6:08 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"You're almost at a Novel stage!"...while you're still boring and predictable.
A boring CUNT!
...there, happy now?
- May 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM
- Anonymous said...
You are about as funny as Bill!
- May 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM
- Ryan Lewis said...
I really think you should watch this if you have not already. you are not on twitter, so I could not reach you directly
- May 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Looks like being an asshole must run in the Cheney family:
"(CNN) — Liz Cheney is picking up where her father left off when it comes to taking aim at the Obama administration, saying Tuesday the new commander-in-chief appears to be siding with terrorists.
In an interview on Fox News, the daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney..."...
Why am I not surprised that Fox would gladly run with a story, where a nobody accuses Obama of "siding with terrorists."
The Republicunts are losing what's left of their tiny minds.
- May 12, 2009 at 11:49 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Other than being a Lesbian, not that there's anything wrong with that, what's Liz Cheney's claim to fame, that makes her opinion worth jack shit to Faux News?
- May 12, 2009 at 11:53 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Sorry, my error, Liz is the "good daughter" worth quoting...
...Mary is the bad seed.
- May 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM
- Margie said...
This is actually a comment about your recent show. In reference to marriage and fidelity you compared staying faithful to your spouse as having toast every day the rest of your life. I'm not a evangelist, I'm a Democrat and I enjoy your show and laugh out loud. However, my husband and I took offense to that comment. You get mad when people judge other people because they are different. Just because you haven't been lucky enough to have a great marriage doesn't mean you know or understand a great marriage. For example, your toast anology. You can have plain toast, Texas Toast, French toast, toast with peanut butter, toast with jelly, toast dipped in olive oil, etc. etc. Just because the basic ingredient is bread doesn't mean it has to be boring. There are thousands of variations. We've been married for 30 years and our secret is that we still treat each other like we are dating - we call each other several times a day to just say hello or I love you. We talk, debate, dance, etc. just like when we were dating even though we have three kids. We also both keep physically fit and trim. However, even if we didn't do those things, I was surprised to hear you doing exactly what you appear abhor in other people - forcing your personal views on others. Don't judge marriages just because you do not have one yourself.
- May 13, 2009 at 5:02 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
Hm, interesting.
about the marriage comment, i mean
zen, still nothing interesting.
in fact...
"Mr-Mrs.-Know-It-All" ??
how old exactly are you?
can i ask if you voted for ike?
- May 13, 2009 at 6:32 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
and yea, you sorry little man (zen):
get rid of the name ZenGrouch. I dont care about the last part (fits perfectly), but quite an insult to the first three letters. you dont deserve 'em, so.. get rid of 'em. just put Grouch. or BIGGrouch or something
anyway, i guess i might still try to explain something, but only for myself, not for you (did i mention its fun watching you react with lots of anger and energy?)
i said this place had turned to ground for kingergarten banter SPECIFICALLY because of you, zen.
i said no one cracks a newspaper SPECIFICALLY from what you were saying - (and NO i do NOT mean electronic sources) it seems like you're a headline browser at online news sites (MSNBC?), you probably browse some pundits, editorials, bloggers, and all you do is listen and read to people like you - angry, far-left-wing, mean, (you all probably have other traits in common, like being fat or stupid or something)
and when you do come here to "debate" (as a philosophy major, i really hesitate using that word)
with other people who do NOT think like you do,
in here, zen, all you're doing is shouting
no one really cares what you say,
and nothing of what you say is interesting, or informative
its just insulting
and loud
and emphasized like it could be important (but, its not)
by the way, that video i posted would have done you wonders. had you taken the *ahem* time, and energy, to click on a god damn link, maybe you'd have figured out what it was about? i mean, you know the concept: internet, information highway, world at your fingertips..
i guess you're just too damn lazy
- May 13, 2009 at 6:40 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
I think I touched a nerve."...
- May 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM
- Anonymous said...
Zenny is incapable of a true debate! If you express your opinions you're a CUNT or whatever comes to his twisted little minds!
I for one would like him to name just "ONE" thing Obama has done that is productive.
I don't see getting handed a $1.84 Trillion deficit as very productive. I don't see having parties every Wednesday night as productive. I don't see taking over the Corporate and Auto World productive. I don't see exposing our secrets as to gain information to protect us as productive.
"ONE" good thing he has done is all I would like to know.
I can predict what he'll say but I'll let him have the honor!
- May 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM
- mike m said...
What would you define as "good". Something that the Heritage Foundation would approve of? In that case, you're absolutely right!
- May 13, 2009 at 2:13 PM
- mike m said...
What I would consider good? He got Wanda Sykes to put a curse on Rush Limbaugh's kidneys.
- May 13, 2009 at 2:16 PM
- Anonymous said...
It's funny how everyone is "so scared" of "1" man.
Be afraid, be very afraid!
But, is that the best you can come up with that Obama has done?
- May 13, 2009 at 2:29 PM
- mike m said...
It's the republicans that should be scared. He chasing away more and more moderates. Pretty soon the republican party will be nothing but a circus freak side show, right next to the bearded lady. And that's bad for everybody. Th e only thing worse than a two party system is a one party system. Tell those fucks to get their act together. And tell Dickless and the Oxy Bandit to shut the fuck up for the good of the party and the country!
- May 13, 2009 at 3:13 PM
- mike m said...
Here's one that even you might be able to appreciate. I guess you're aware of the lifting of the ban on federally funded embryonic stem cell research, right? Bad thing for Bible toting, gun slinging, flag suckers, right? Well, here's something the national media didn't really pick up on, but NPR did. A few days after lifting the ban, Obama amended the Executive Order to only allow research on fetuses that have been abandoned in fertility clinics, and reinstating the ban on abortion clinic fetuses. That's a pretty "centrist" thing to do. Especially when he didn't have to do that. He could have said "fuck you, it's my way or the highway". You know, the way Bush/Cheney ran the country.
- May 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
The Conservatives aren't scared!
Don't know where you get that from!
Cheney can talk all he wants, doesn't hurt me or anyone else I've listened to. Why should he shut up. You loons are still talking!
We've had to listen to you for 8 years so, it's our turn to show Your President the "same Respect" you showed ours!
One more thing....Woopie for Obama!
mike_m said:
Bad thing for Bible toting, gun slinging, flag suckers, right?
How typical to call names when you don't even know any of us.
- May 13, 2009 at 3:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
But, I'm proud to tote my Bible, proud to own my gun, proud to suck my Flag and mostly, proud of the brave men and women who died for that Flag so you can ramble crap as you do!
- May 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM
- mike m said...
I know many Bible toting, gun slinging, flag suckers. I know many tree hugging, pot smoking hippie fags. I also know many moderate independents, many of whom have voted republican in the past. But not anymore. The republican party will never win an election without the support of moderate independents - that's a statistical fact! And as long as Dickless and and The Oxy Kid are shooting their mouths off, and chasing out all of the moderates from the party, the independents will not vote republican.
- May 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM
- Anonymous said...
mike m said...
The republican party will never win an election......
Yes they will thanks to Obama!
Oh, one more thing. Rush "is not" a reporter...He is a commentator. Big difference and no one should be silenced otherwise, Garafabitch and Maher would be out of a job!
- May 13, 2009 at 3:54 PM
- mike m said...
Yes they will thanks to Obama!
Wishful thinking isn't going to win any elections for the republicans, either.
Oh, one more thing. Rush "is not" a reporter...He is a commentator
I thought he was trying to take over as supreme leader commando of the Republican party.
And about being proud of our troops - one of my best friends lied about his age and enlisted in the Corp in '68. He came back with a nasty heroin habit. Heroin which was being supplied by the CIA. But we don't talk about that, right?
- May 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM
- Anonymous said...
mike m said...
I thought he was trying to take over as supreme leader commando of the Republican party.
You're not as smart as you think.
mike m said:
And about being proud of our troops - one of my best friends lied about his age and enlisted in the Corp in '68. He came back with a nasty heroin habit. Heroin which was being supplied by the CIA. But we don't talk about that, right?
And how typical to lump all of our troops in one basket because of one's unfortunate experience.
- May 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM
- zenhomo said...
Hey gang. I did a search on ZenGrouch and found him on twitter and several other useless forms of communication. He is a hairy bitch! I'm pretty sure this is all he does..bitch and moan and fight with people. Go check him out. What a looser!! Oh, there I go again...I'm laughing so hard I peed my pants again!!
- May 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM
- mike m said...
And how typical to lump all of our troops in one basket because of one's unfortunate experience.
NO! What I'm saying is I help the troops, directly, and anyone else with a substance problem, when the VA turns their backs on them. There's a big difference between "supporting our troops" and actually doing something to help.
- May 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM
- Anonymous said...
Yuk! Just got a mental picture of Zenny!
Will have to check that out! Need a good laugh!
- May 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM
- mike m said...
And you talk about being proud to tote your Bible. How much charity work do you do for the church? How many Soup Kitchens have you worked in? I'm not even a religious person, but the local Lutheran Pastor is a friend of mine, and I help out a lot, donating time and work. And I was raised Catholic!
- May 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM
- Anonymous said...
Oh My God!
- May 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
I thought you said you weren't going to stalk me?
You really are quite creepy...
- May 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
mikey, I think ought to revert some attention for your pal Zenny!
He needs help....lol
- May 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Good ol' predictable and boring I.T.
He's debatin' the pants off of me.
Using all he's got...
...which is nada!
Come on dude, I want to play too, but you're not giving anything worth knocking back into your court.
...well, you *are* defending Oxycontin Boy, but that's just kind of sad, rather than funny.
- May 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM
- Anonymous said...
I could never take anything you say now even remotely serious.
Thanks Zenhomo
- May 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
Now that really hurt, since I have nothing but the deepest respect for you and your kind.
- May 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
wow, this blog comment thing really never ends for anyone here
i used to support obama
and, if you're looking for ONE good thing, i REALLY support his decision to get strict on cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay, since i live on it - see today's front cover of the Washington Post
but, then...
*longer "schedule" for leaving Iraq
*more than 50,000 troops in Afghanistan
*refusing to fulfill one of many campaign promises to reopen NAFTA for renegotiations in environmental protection and labor rights (think mexico)
*Henry Kissinger advising NS Adviser Jones on a daily basis (i won't go into his other nominations, don't have the time)
*"closing" guantanamo, which really means just shipping them all to prisons in turkey
*giving so much money to banks and car companies, and so little to schools and the environment - legislation is one thing, $ is another
i wrote a whole article on it, should be online in a few days, so i'll post a link for you all who are so bad at googling things you dont agree with
but, what i really can't stand, is to see people criticize him for a 3% tax increase or bowing to some dude when you have all this real shit to be angry about
oh, republicans..
- May 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM
- mike m said...
You have got to be fucking kidding me. I just can't believe this shit. Apparently, some "genius" came up with an idea to start a women's lingerie football league. Yep, that's right, women playing football in their underwear. I can't get a couple hundred thousand dollars to start a project to produce algae for biofuels, something that could eventually benefit all of mankind by supplying reasonably priced unlimited renewable fuel, and this guy gets millions of dollars to do this shit. Where are our priorities? What the fuck is wrong with people? I've just about lost all faith in the human race. Somebody enter the fucking launch codes!
Fuck me now!!!
- May 13, 2009 at 8:44 PM
- mike m said...
I tried to give people what they need, instead they chose, what they want. Now, they'll get what they deserve. I'm goin' apeshit.
"All shall love me and despair!"
- May 13, 2009 at 8:58 PM
- mike m said...
I'm ordering the Pinky and the Brain DVDs. One of those fucking ideas has to work!
- May 13, 2009 at 9:05 PM
- Kathryn said...
Mr. Maher,
There wasn't a proper address so that I might be able to send a letter, but I wanted to say "Thank You" because I saw your documentary and it was very eye opening for me.
I am a recovering Catholic and have been for a while. Although I no longer believe any religious book, I still believe there is something higher than us. (I sincerely hope you don't take offense to this. I read a lot of sarcasm in these blogs :))
Thanks for steering us in the right direction.
I heard your feelings on how religious people "pat you on the head" in a condescending way, and I understand how you feel. I don't have to tell you that it can be very emotional for a religious person when someone starts asking questions.
When I thought about the small percentage of people that are on your "side", I felt, as a teacher, that I should let you know you're making a difference in a good way.
Thanks again!
- May 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM
- Bill said...
The lastest news, well you met joe the plumber, now you can meet Ken the Handyman, one county in the state of florida, we won't mention which one, won't allow him to repaint foreclosed properties that Investors bought, the claim is he must be a Contractor, no offense to the Handyman, but a monkey can do it, other counties do allow this, but this one doesn't according to them and claim it's a state law, but yet other counties allow it, so which is it a state law or just a county that doesn't like handymen? As you and the world knows Fl isn't exactly booming and all the while allowing illegals to work there, but not Americans, by imposing some B.S restrictions. yeah, were on the right track...
- May 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
Bill, you must be from Florida for that to be as important as it sounds to you.
no offense here, i live on the chesapeake bay which i'm sure you don't give a rats ass about, but which is very important to me. location, location, location.
but, i am getting really tired of the real bill, Bill Maher, bringing up all these stupid, useless fluff pieces. he sounds like he really cares about that shit, too.
Maher, i'm telling you (assuming he even reads this shit):
This Empire Has No Clothes. start pointing it out more. the plumbers and ugly singers should just be... left aside.
- May 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM
- mike m said...
I got news for you. There isn't one investor, at that level, that will let anyone on a job without contractor's liability insurance. Not to mention Worker's Comp. A monkey can do it, yes. But a monkey can also accidentally burn a house down, or rupture a water pipe, or any number of things. The investor's insurance company does an audit. They check to see who they are paying and for what. And they want to see proof of insurance for any contracting work. Otherwise the investor gets back charged by his own insurance company. Companies across the country are cracking down on this big time. Laws have nothing to do with it. If the investor wants to pick up the added insurance costs, or pay cash (which is unlikely) then Kenny can do the job. If not, Kenny better find a good insurance agent, and buy the insurance, and pay taxes like every reputable contractor on the planet. What an idiot. I wouldn't dream of doing a job without insurance. That's just asking for trouble. You tell Ken, he's lucky if he's allowed to fix Grandma's hand rail without insurance.
And Lauren, let me tell you, this shit is important. I just came from a contractor's meeting. Nothing, and I mean nothing is going on out there. Banks aren't even lending money to reputable commercial builders, with proven track records. That means nobody works. Do you have any idea just how much money that takes out of the economy. Not just the contractors and their employees, but the real estate and insurance agents and the companies that manufacture wholesale and retail building products. It's bad. Real bad. This is normally my busiest time of year and I've got next to nothing. I'm picking up a few of those foreclosed repaints, that were bought up by the vultures for next to nothing, and they don't want to pay nothing, and I have to directly compete with ken the fuckhead who doesn't pay taxes or carry insurance. I'd like to meet Ken. I'd kick him square in the balls!
- May 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"A monkey can do it, yes. But a monkey can also accidentally burn a house down"...
...or it can be made to *look* that way, if you start using day labor in an area where there are strong unions.
- May 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM
- mike m said...
Tell ken to get a real job or start a real business. He can call me when he knows what it's like to have to meet a fucking payroll every God damned week and/or lay off workers.
If you're serious about cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay and saving the Horseshoe Crab and the Red Knot, start by looking here. If NJ can do it, any state can.
NJ Wetlands
- May 14, 2009 at 2:01 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"no offense here, i live on the chesapeake bay which i'm sure you don't give a rats ass about, but which is very important to me. location, location, location."...
...how important can it be if you only live in any one place for 5 months or so?
Hmmm... do you make it a point to live in municipalities where it takes that long to evict for non-payment of rent?
Yes... they call you the breeze!
- May 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM
- mike m said...
Most unions don't fuck with residential work. Just the big commercial jobs. At least around here. Even in Center City Philadelphia, where the unions are real strong, we completely gutted a Brownstone and weren't bothered by any unions. Nothing really would get done. Most people can't afford a contractor that charges $75/man-hour.
- May 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
i see your point about the importance. my mother works in real estate, and in our area there is a lot of potential for development, but no one is lending, or buying, etc etc...
my larger point was that stories like joe the plumber, and this ken guy if it turned into that, are blown out of proportion to their relevance. what we need is a much larger restructuring of the design and growth of cities and residentials. i wouldn't want my mother's business to continue the way it has been - but people don't do well with change, they like to try to keep things the way they were working before
except that things weren't working well, it just seemed like they did.
but here's my really really large point:
what happens when all the victorian houses have been refurbished and painted? should you go to another area to find the same work? should you do something else?
what happens when everyone has a home (population leveling off is an assumption here), what happens to those construction workers? the real estate people?
when do we look around and say,
- May 14, 2009 at 2:26 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Most unions don't fuck with residential work."...
Really? I would think with a shrinking pie, the unions would try their best to make sure that contractors use union workers, if not for painting trim, but for plumbing and electrical work.
And I wouldn't be upset to see unions working outside of the law, when it comes to dealing with workers who are here illegally.
Fight fire with fire.
But unions seem pussified from when my dad use to be frightened when it came to painting the house. He actually thought the union would come for him.
But then he saw some crazy union shit in his day.
- May 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM
- handheaded said...
actually i've never peeked up his party dress but i've heard from a friend who knows one who has that in spite of antagonistic nature he does not have a small pee pee. thats probably why he's unafraid to be right now n then. take the dick out of it and at least he's talking about things that should matter to all of us, no matter our penile quality.
- May 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM
- mike m said...
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- May 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM
- mike m said...
Nothing lasts forever. No matter how good a job is done, it's only going to last so long. A good roof is only going to last 10 years, at best. Except, of course, those old slate roofs - I've seen ones over 100 years old. But no one can afford slate anymore. Also, a paint job in Phoenix can last 30 years, but along the Jersey shore, it's only going to last about 5. That was the way my grandfather ran his business years ago. He had clients that would call him back every 5-8 years to repaint the house. My grandmother's house is a modular. It came with a 5 year warranty. Well it's 7 years old and guess what? It needs repairs. Five year carpet means 5 years. Stuff is always getting torn down and rebuilt. Nothing lasts forever. Oh, I said that already.
Zen, like I said, unions are only interested in the big commercial jobs. Illegals? They have enough problems worrying about satisfying their Affirmative Action requirements. When work gets thin, they might send a couple guys with an inflatable giant rat to a new gas station or bank branch. But there's four new casinos going up in AC. Big fuckers. Gotta go. My buddy just flew in to NYC from LA. He's a grip on NCIS. Haven't seen him in years. Later
- May 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM
- phat said...
Bill, I was so excited you are coming to Aspen but when I saw the price of tickets I cried. Good luck with the show. We love you.
- May 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM
- Anonymous said...
I always wash my hands before I handle my junk. My wedding tackle is much more important to me than whatever contagion I might share with the witless public.
If ever I have the opportunity to wipe my ass on some greedy fuck's hand, I will wipe my nose then my ass before I shake their hand.
They deserve to be scared shitless like Howard Hughes.
What comes around goes around.
- May 14, 2009 at 7:13 PM
- Anonymous said...
Riff Raff: Hello.
Brad: Hi! My name is Brad Majors, and this is my fiancee, Janet Weiss. I wonder if you'd mind helping us. You see, our car broke down a few miles up the road. Do you have a phone we might use?
Riff Raff: You're wet.
Janet: Yes, it's raining.
Brad: Yes.
Riff Raff: Yes... I think perhaps you better both come inside.
Janet: You're too kind. Oh, Brad, I'm frightened. What kind of a place is this?
Brad: Oh, it's probably some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos.
Janet: Oh.
Riff Raff: This way.
Janet: Are you having a party?
Riff Raff: You've arrived on a rather special night. It's one of the master's affairs.
Janet: Oh, lucky him.
Magenta: You're lucky, he's lucky, I'm lucky, we're all lucky! Ha ha ha...
- May 14, 2009 at 7:18 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
Hey mike,
Again, you make a good point about repairs and such. I'm sure many workers at car factories thought the same until a big machine took over their job.
not that i'm saying machines will paint houses some day, but lets say we develop paint that doesn't need touch ups.
there will always be some forms of labor jobs, but they are dwindling. technology is catching up, its changing the face of everything, taking over our "meaningless" jobs and making a lot more room for meaningful ones. we need to adapt our society to this, as such, but we are hesitant because we cling to the concept of dog-eat-dog capitalism, when what we need to survive is participation, working together, talking together, LISTENING to each other!...
this is all absolutely necessary to solve problems of 21st century size. capitalism works because we are still very animal-like and competitive, but we are moving away from that. this is the trend, working together, interconnection, a butterfly's wingbeat causing Katrina. this is the world today, and capitalism fails in this world.
- May 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM
- Anonymous said...
I have a theory that you can tell how smart a person is by the # of kids in tow. You tell as much by the expression etched into their faces. In both cases, the miserable are pretty dumb.Bill: 0
The Octarded One: 14
Whose future? not mine! The sins of the parents are visited on their brood; I should not be forced support this crop of future prolife maggots. Any law that denies me my personal liberty - to suffer by my own sex pistol and no other - is unconstitutional.
"You'll get my warm gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers." - Rubout Mordick
- May 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM
- Anonymous said...
Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work We Go!!
We did dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
In our Mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Its what we like to do
It aint no trick
To get tricks click
If ya dig dig dig
With a shovel or a stick
- May 14, 2009 at 7:45 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
Look man, read Rousseau -
people want the BENEFITS of a society, like, you know PUBLIC EDUCATION
but they dont want to be responsible or contributing citizens - let me participate in this community, as long as i dont have to GIVE anything
just TAKE TAKE TAKE
you sound like my god damn generation - the ME generation
the MILLENIAL ME'S
- May 14, 2009 at 7:49 PM
- Anonymous said...
Snow White And The 7 Dwarfs
Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work We Go!!
We did dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
In our Mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Its what we like to do
It aint no trick
To get tricks click
If ya dig dig dig
With a shovel or a stick
- May 14, 2009 at 8:05 PM
- Anonymous said...
fuck you.
- May 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
i sense your intelligence
clearly, you are a representation
of all the shit that is wrong with this world
- May 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
- Anonymous said...
lens said...
fuck you.
Don't you feel really good right now? I'm sure you do!
- May 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
oh IT,
insults don't bother me at all.
what bothers me is...
- May 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
- Anonymous said...
Where's that good-looking hunk of a man Zenny?
- May 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
- Anonymous said...
Ignorance is all this thread is about!
- May 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
hence my frustration
- May 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM
- Anonymous said...
This is the moron thread hosted by Bill Maher.....
Zenny, where you be?
- May 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
Fuck Rouseau. Anyone who pays for sex is a Republican: don't let their BS fool ya.
In your socialist gangbang there will always - always - be someone more needy than you. Its a chain reaction that cashes in on success, producing nothing.
Technology will not save you. For every advance, 50% of the expected gain is realized and people become 50% dumber, lazier and... like you. Stupid idealist, put your money where your mouth is.
The primary reason why we are where we are today is because each congress grabs as much loot as they can, without regard for anything else. Tell me you don't see this. The only thing that trickles down is the jism of the cold upper middle class, when the will divides the estate. This takes centuries.
Get a job, then research that, fool.
- May 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
Ah, lens,
do you use a lens? can you see what is happening around you?
i mean, you just blamed congress for what i called "the problems with the world"
talk about oversimplification
i dont disagree that there will always be someone weaker than you
nor do i disagree that congress sucks up money (but CERTAINLY not more than the new nations: PepsiCola, Viacom, Ford, need i go on....)
and then you want me to research what it is to have a job?
get outside of the US, then research THAT
- May 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
oh, and Rousseau is with two S's
try reading a bit too, it'll do a brain good
reading good
reading goooooood
- May 14, 2009 at 8:37 PM
- Anonymous said...
lens said...
Fuck Rouseau. Anyone who pays for sex is a Republican: don't let their BS fool ya.
Well, if that's true,at least they pay for it and gives back to the Community and don't cheat on The First Lady while holding the highest office on the planet!
Zenny, you hunk of a man! Where are you?
- May 14, 2009 at 8:39 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
...good lord, it's gotten even *worse*
***backing away slowly, avoiding eye contact***
- May 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM
- Anonymous said...
At least I do not cut & paste your tripe.
Try working a bit, it produces wisdom.
There is nothing wrong with charity, as long as one only gives what is one's to give. When your kind puts a gun to a man's head and says "Give more!" you get nothing.
You cannot force a mind.
- May 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM
- Anonymous said...
I see a lot of clutter posted with the intent to drown out anything good. Its republican tactics: they have nothing to offer so they foul the sandbox.
- May 14, 2009 at 8:48 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
again, Rousseau is who i quoted, not Che Guevara
as R says, you cannot force a man to do anything
he must do it because he is a free man, with free will, and he wants to do it
we do want to work together, even you work with others in your job you keep raving about, or in dozens of other situations.
the real fact is that we are becoming a more interconnected society, and we've got to get used to each other
we need to be kinder, better neighbors, not just willing to throw change in a homelessman's cup, but to get off our lazy asses and build him a god damn home
(which i've done, does that count as work?)
it isn't really a sense of charity as much as... cooperation
- May 14, 2009 at 8:49 PM
- Anonymous said...
You are calling for personal sacrifice, voluntarilly given.
Where there is sacrifice, there is someone collecting the sacrifice. A master, a congress, a priest, a beggar.
Did you build your own house first?
I can tell that you do not know the value of an honest day's work, or of a dollar.
A dollar is worth nothing. It is a promissory note, nothing more.
- May 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
if you're tryin' to claim that someone you don't know doesn't understand something that you know,
then, you're wrong. i've been on that side, 40 hour-a-week job at 14 years old, livin paycheck-to-paycheck, makin my own way thru, well everything
believe me, man, i know the value of a dollar:
- May 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
the person collecting, as you say, the priest or whatever...
that's what bothers you, that someone takes your precious little promissory note from your precious little hands?
it's not about the taking, as i say, it's about the giving,
not charity, again, but co-operation
when we all want all of us to be better, instead of wanting only ME to be better and everyone else can go suck it..
well, you get the world today, as it is
pretty, isn't it...
- May 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
let me rephrase that:
*when we DONT want etc... and INSTEAD we want etc...
- May 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM
- Anonymous said...
The only fact is that it is your perception that the people around you that you refer to as 'we' are getting more 'interconnected'.
I don't live in your perception and that is not what is happening in mine.
40/14? Summer job for daddy?
Last word!
- May 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM
- Anonymous said...
lens said...
I see a lot of clutter posted with the intent to drown out anything good. Its republican tactics: they have nothing to offer so they foul the sandbox.
There's never anything good posted on this site!
- May 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM
- Anonymous said...
- This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
- May 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"This post has been removed by the author."...
...startin' to sober up long enough to get up off a that floor?
- May 14, 2009 at 10:38 PM
- Lauren Perry said...
i was expecting a better answer
o well
fact is, lens, it doesn't matter what "credentials" i list, you'll never accept what you don't want to accept - be it the fact that someone else besides you knows whats up in the world, or that someone else other than you has even more experience in the world
(*ahem* me..)
- May 14, 2009 at 10:41 PM
- Anonymous said...
ZenGrouch said...
"This post has been removed by the author."...
...startin' to sober up long enough to get up off a that floor?
At least I'm not a hairy fat-ass sitting on my couch eating with my cat.....
You really need to get out more...
- May 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM
- Anonymous said...
Mr. Bill Maher,
If you are literate enough to read these blogs (and your staff does not count) I think you should do a show on your followers and non/ex-followers(I followed you before you became so angry and bitter).
It would make a good show!
- May 14, 2009 at 11:11 PM
- ZenGrouch said...
"At least I'm not a hairy fat-ass sitting on my couch eating with my cat....."...
You make that sound like a *bad* thing...
- May 15, 2009 at 12:13 AM
- Anonymous said...
ZenGrouch said...
"At least I'm not a hairy fat-ass sitting on my couch eating with my cat....."...
You make that sound like a *bad* thing...
I'm not on my couch and don't look like you!!!!!!!!!!!!
- May 15, 2009 at 12:51 AM
- Anonymous said...
And, what is "good" about it?
Aren't we preached to about being couch potatoes, lazy asses that don't shave?
Hey, I have learned to be mean by being on this blog and I want to thank each and every one of you for that!
You are an inspiration to this Nation!
- May 15, 2009 at 1:14 AM
- Anonymous said...
If I said "Fook You", does that make me one of you? (and no, I can't use the real word)
But does it?
See what a great influence you are on ones you want to convert!
Be proud, very proud so we may show our children what assholes truly are!
Hate your fellow American because he doesn't have the same beliefs as you....No debates, No ifs, No buts...It's my way or no way!
That's what you want for this country?
If so, then fook you, not in my world. I teach my off-spring that this is a country of Freedom and Pride, no matter what race, creed or color...We are all one aiming for the same objective....Republicans/Conservatives are not the way your news portrays and until you really study the middle class/mid-western people, you are missing out on alot of joy. We are nothing as your news and Garafabitch portray us as!
Life filled with Love and caring for one another!
If you don't feel that way, then move to Iraq or Iran!
- May 15, 2009 at 1:30 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Hey, I have learned to be mean by being on this blog and I want to thank each and every one of you for that!"...
Well... no wonder the likes of Rush and Jesus can do such a job on your head!
You is prime sheep material!
- May 15, 2009 at 1:52 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
"Be proud, very proud so we may show our children what assholes truly are!"...
...wasn't the the entire drive behind the whole Monica Lewenski thing?
To teach our children about blow jobs, and give the rest of the world something to laugh at?
They're still laughing at the Republicunt party, and it's staunch supporters such as Limbaugh and Cheney.
BTW... what is Cheney still doing hanging around D.C.?
Doesn't he have some greasy oil drenched cock to be sucking on right about not?
- May 15, 2009 at 1:56 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
"If you don't feel that way, then move to Iraq or Iran!"...
...you are one dumb fuck, and unfortunately your kids will probably take their cues from you, since you demonize logic in the home, no doubt.
- May 15, 2009 at 2:00 AM
- Anonymous said...
I never expected anything less from you.
Thank you for proving my point although you and the likes of you know not what love and caring is about.
You destroy the fabric of a human soul each and everytime you attack.
I Love ya man!
- May 15, 2009 at 2:21 AM
- Anonymous said...
I feel very sorry for you Zenny that you have so much hate in your soul that you cannot even take care of yourself while preaching to others how to be.
I hope someday that all of us, Americans, can be on one side and stop all this hate among parties. I know the side you hate wants this (even tho' your News tells you otherwise) but, until your side agrees, it will never happen.
I guarantee, if you ever met me, you would not feel the same towards me as you posted. It makes me sad that there is so much hate among our own fellow Americans. Does that even bother you or are you going to call me a name?
- May 15, 2009 at 2:30 AM
- Anonymous said...
Doesn't everyone want the same thing in life?
A job to support our family(but not controlled or owned by the Government) and not worry about where our next meal is coming from but in the meantime, giving a meal to someone who needs it? Not scared of a plane or any other suspicious event that may take other lives? Living each day, not taking for granted of our freedom?
Bill Maher, what happened to you? I remember right after 9/11, you wanted to blow them up!
Where did the Bill Maher go that stood for something?
- May 15, 2009 at 2:43 AM
- Anonymous said...
That's why Dennis Miller tops my list!
He is not an angry, bitter comedian.
He is someone who loves our country, wants us safe, performs for our Troops and is funny while speaking about it where as, Bill, you are bitter, angry and not funny no more.
That to me is a waste of money on you!
Mr. Bill Maher...When is the first or last time you ever volunteered to go and perform for our troops?
Oh, they would throw raw eggs at you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have to believe in people before they believe in you!!!!!
- May 15, 2009 at 3:35 AM
- Anonymous said...
Ok Zenny and mikey....
Let me have it!!!!
Be the normal haters you are.
- May 15, 2009 at 3:37 AM
- Anonymous said...
Zen & Mike post good stuff. The likes of insane_tweaker, Letstalktalktalk Petty I can do without, since I can't reach through the web and club them over the head, for the good of the species.
I don't think we need to cater to the weak minds to better enjoy the humor of the brighter lights.
Tweaker, you won't be able to find disadvantaged young women to molest anymore on craiglist. They are taking down the porn ads.
Petty, this is good news for you. Now you have to go out and practice, practice, practice with real live women. Then when you are an old fuck you won't be disgusting, desperate to rub your purple veined monster against the supple thighs of children.
Which brings me back to you, idiot_tweaker. You must be a Catholic: I don't recall reading where Jesus said that the FCC 7 dirty words apply. I am sure there is a way to say fuck in Aramaic too. If Jesus could not say fuck, that would be like Rubout Mordick tearing his cock off if Janine shouted Rumpledforeskin! Rumpledforeskin! Rumpledforeskin! at him.
About that sick old fuck. If he wants to send his thugs out to spy on Americans with button cams, we have the right to protect our own. Otherwise if he wants to sell sensational yellow journalism instead of leeching TARP funds, he should take the button cams into a state mental hospital. Then he could rescue the absolute least fortunate, and convict some sick serial rapists in the process.
I have Easter Bunny jokes too.
Insane_twit, there is a cure for Catholicism. Go out in the mountains and eat a handful of magic mushrooms. The Big Guy will straighten you out.
Petty, the wide distribution of the Red Book and analogues negates your RIF. I don't give a shit what your inbred pedigree is, I would be impressed by what you have accomplished. So go do something significant, like win the Ms. Kalifornia crown or something.
- May 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM
- Anonymous said...
& Petty, if all you got from your college ed. is a sheepskin and selflessness, you should get a refund.
As if you could...
- May 15, 2009 at 8:33 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
HairyGrouch, again nothing of import to say.
but, lens, how retarded. i mean, if you cant say anything of intelligence or import or interst...
then just continue blogging and tweaking and typing angrily at the wide, shallow world that will not respect you
poor boy
and, IT, to quote bill maher:
"Going back to Reagan, all of our leaders have predictably and reliably told us that government is always the problem, never you my precious, perfect American citizen. You are always perfect just the way you are, like a precious little snowflake. A beautiful, precious, 350-pound, pig-ignorant snowflake."
this is the idea you idiots, this is the problem: YOU
you are angry, fat, lazy and dumb. and all you do is block out what others say - not by posting lame insults, but by rejecting the ability to listen in the first place.
frankly, lens, you could USE a college education. badly.
oh, and what is Cheney up to? like you all don't know? he's busy getting ready to make millions when haliburton rebuilds Iraq - just wait, afghanistan is next, and there will always be some country after them...
meanwhile, the rulers of the world are busy advertising to you - go watch like a good little consumer!
- May 15, 2009 at 9:10 AM
- mike m said...
Zen & Mike post good stuff. The likes of insane_tweaker, Letstalktalktalk Petty I can do without
reminds me of:
...the howlers Resonating repertoire is not too bad when mixed with The more musical twern of the tropical warbler but the Impatient taxi blare the squawking elderly ibis and The glass-eye snapper hawking papers I can certainly Live without also be cautious of the poisonous Boomslang laughter social droppings of the fruit bat And purple queen fish and whos that babbler conversing With a magazine stand? evidently hes getting a good Reply...
Arrive in neurotica
Through neon heat disease
I swear at the swarming heards
I sweat the foul terrain
I rove the moving scenery
- Adrien Belew
- May 15, 2009 at 9:14 AM
- Lauren Perry said...
lens, name one thing significant you have ever done - but not for yourself, like winning a fucking pagent or something, but for someone else
me? off the top of my head? filmed two documentaries in africa and asia (currently getting int'l fame) about health issues (agent orange in vietnam, malaria in ghana)
so, my point? you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about - don't worry, no one else does either, you're not alone, just sad and useless
- May 15, 2009 at 9:14 AM
- mike m said...
A job to support our family(but not controlled or owned by the Government) and not worry about where our next meal is coming from but in the meantime, giving a meal to someone who needs it? Not scared of a plane or any other suspicious event that may take other lives? Living each day, not taking for granted of our freedom?
That "Little House on the Prairie " mentality is very quaint. I think there's a Commune in Ukiah, CA you can join. Either that or there may be a cabin once occupied by Ted Kaczynski that may be available.
- May 15, 2009 at 9:23 AM
- mike m said...
I can understand your passion for wanting to help the people of third world countries. But let me pose a question. What did Singapore have in the 1950s, that these countries don't have. They had a divide and rule framework set up by European Colonists just like many of the West African countries. They had limited resources and little clean drinking water. Now, they have the largest reverse osmosis water purification system in the world. The British gave them self rule, and they ran with it. Why can't these other countries do what they did?
- May 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM
- Exquisite Certified said...
Unrelated but didn't know where to post this. I saw this story on CNN about an Agnostic speaker. I thought he would be a great guest for Real Time. Here is a link to the story....after reading more about agnosticism it seems to be the most reasonable position to take....
- May 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM
- Anonymous said...
You're wrong again. I'm not going to list my curriculum vitae to a twit like you.
I don't do selfless acts; it is far more rewarding to put a man on his own feet than to carry him.
- May 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
"You destroy the fabric of a human soul each and everytime you attack."...
Yet you keep calling me out...
Christ, if I step away from the computer for a few hours, you inundate me with your pathetic requests for acknowledgment.
You really are a total loon.
What is it, Daddy didn't play catch with you?
- May 15, 2009 at 11:44 AM
- ZenGrouch said...
"The Conservatives aren't scared!"...
Well... the ones with half a brain aren't "scared"...
...I'd say they are more *resigned* the the fact that they're totally fucked.
The ones like Cheney and Limbaugh are too stupid to see how screwed they are.
Either that, or they see how deep the shit is they're standing in, so they want to start a huge shit fight, taking the country down with 'em, fumbling in the dark trying to find the 'Self Destruct' button.
If I can't have it...
...NOBODY can have it***
- May 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM