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March 25
Becoming Like Him
By Marsh Chapel
Philippians 3 and John 12
George Marlowe lived in a trailer on the Canadian border. His son Kirk lived there with George, and cared for his father. George had lost his legs—to diabetes or in Vietnam or by a farm accident (the cause itself is lost to memory). The son delivered mail in and around Trout River and was the sole care giver for his dad.
Kirk was a jolly soul—big, brawny, full of life and humor. He claimed the border country mosquitoes could stretch up to open the mailboxes into which he delivered the daily post, they were so large. This was hyperbole, but also contained a grain of truth, as hyperbole does. George and Kirk lived together for several years, and largely in peace. They did sometimes argue loudly when by nightfall they had drunk too well. Their neighbors, Lyle and Pat Wilson, in the next trailer down, a double wide, checked on George during the day, when they could. Or they would send one of their daughters to look in on him. Or, if no other remedy was available, they would call the preacher to ask him to stop by on his way down into Canada, to visit with George.
The midday summer heat on a single wide trailer by the 4th of July is just a simmering oven heat. You would not want a breeze, even if there was one, which there was not. George's self-medication and relaxed housekeeping, and chain smoking made of the trailer a singular environment. In the summer of 1982, the last of his life, George offered his neighbors a reminder of mortality. In the summer of 1982, emerging into adult life, Kirk offered his neighbors the example of loyalty. Kirk was a simple person. He simply offered and lavished the loyalty of love on his dad, by day and by night. He poured his life like perfume onto the body of George Marlowe, his father.
Our two readings, Philippians 3 and John 12, recall Kirk and George–these readings, that is, along with the hymn we have sung about 'love and loyalty'. Philippians is about loyalty. John is about mortality. Kirk taught us something about loyalty. George taught us something about mortality. 'Thy guiding radiance, above us shall be, a beacon to God, to love and loyalty'. George was buried near the border and near where he was born, on July 26, 1982, at 2:00pm. In the blur of activities, come Sunday, in Christ, one is accosted by loyalty and mortality, through whom, in Christ, 'we become like him'.
Two very different readings from Scripture greet us this Sunday morning. One describes loyalty. The other evokes mortality. Both are good news, and each story amplifies and explicates the other. For you this morning, the lesson and the gospel raise a mortal question about your forms of loyalty, and a loyal question about your sense of mortality. A hymn of love and a reminder of death are somewhere, somehow buried in every sermon and every service of worship. In decisions about loyalty and in the encroachment of mortality, we become like Him: Jesus Christ, the loyalty of God; Jesus Christ, the mortality of man.
There is today a tendency to minimize Paul's change of allegiance, as expressed in Philippians 3, and elsewhere. So this scholarly trend would argue: Paul did not really distance himself from his earlier religious expression. Paul did not really reject his mother tongue, mother land, mother religion. Paul did not expressly depart from the eighth day, the tribe, the law. Paul did not really intend to step aside from his inheritance. Paul was born loyal and died loyal, and his loyalty at birth and death were of a piece. So, your teacher here at the Head of the Charles, Krister Stendahl, and so my teacher in Montreal, Bishop NT Wright, and so EP Sanders and so many others. I suppose that scholarly trends, like fashion, move in and out of vogue, for and with some regularity. Certainly, the work of these mentioned scholars, and that of many others, reminding us of the depth and breadth of Jewish background to the letters of the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES (emphasis added for emphasis), carry much of importance. Still, there is the little matter of rubbish.
Paul calls his inheritance rubbish. SKUBALA. It is a remarkable Greek word, whose force you can hear in its simple repetition. SKUBALA. Rubbish. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and I regard them as rubbish. It will not do to muffle Paul's apocalyptic sense of loyalty. In fact, much of the work of late that tries to do so ends up representing a view of Paul that is much more akin to the views of his opponents than to those of Paul himself. But what of the particular inheritance, yours and mine and Paul's? What of our particular, idiosyncratic, experiences and cultures and hues? What of circumcision, of covenant, of history, of torah, of valiant duty past? I regard them as…SKUBALA. We may wish Paul had been more temperate. He was not. The gospel of Jesus Christ brings an apocalyptic, cataclysmic, sea change in the fount of loyalty. I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the sharing of his sufferings by becoming like him in his death, if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Across town, across the Scripture that is, and in the heart of the Fourth Gospel, meanwhile, we are engaged by another story. Now mortality, not loyalty, addresses us. If there is a richer set of eight verses in the entire New Testament than John 12: 1-8, honestly, I do not know where you would find it. Here is the Passover, the third in the fourth Gospel. Here too is Bethany, site of earlier astonishment. Here is Lazarus, who emerged from a tomb, covered with bandages, odorous and squinting. Martha, of serving fame, and Mary, of praying memory, are here, too. A year's wages are here poured out on feet, feet of course being of sacramental power in this Gospel, as we saw two weeks ago. There is fragrance, the fragrant scent of perfume poured on holy feet, perfume dried in loving hands, perfume gathered on the hairs of the head. An astounding scene, already, but there is more. In comes Judas Iscariot. There arises an argument about money, surely not the last religious argument about money. The poor and the present are set against each other, surely not the last religious argument about the good and beautiful. And then a dominical pronouncement: keep it for the day of my burial. After so many visual, audible, tactile, olfactory and savory images, we are sensorially exhausted and ready for a nap. These images share a common trait. They evoke mortality.
The Passover is the scene of death. Lazarus was raised from death. Mary has a premonition of death. Martha and Mary pleaded with Jesus about death. Judas Iscariot is the agent of death. The plight of the poor is mentioned to avoid a confrontation with death. The perfume is a symbol of anointing at death. If there is one thing more significant in all of Scripture than justice—and it is not clear that there is anything more significant in Scripture than justice—but if there is one thing more significant in all of Scripture than justice—it is mortality. Our gospel lesson this morning pulls out every stop to evoke mortality.
Reminders of mortality, like attendance in worship itself, which is one such reminder on a weekly basis, may make us squirm. We have a way of thinking that death happens always to somebody else. We find ways to change the channel. In the last four years we have become experts at changing the channel. Our misdeed in the Middle East, preemptive, unilateral, imperial, reckless, immoral, post-Christian, and wrong, has brought death. Interruption of to the regular routines, rhythms, lives and dreams of 200,000 loyal, heroic soldiers of ours. Physical death to 3,200 of those. Serious injury to 25,000. As yet uncountable losses—50,000 to 500,000—to Iraqi civilians: children, women, older adults, young people, daughters with child, young men not twenty, recent grandparents, eight year old boys, three year old girls. Diminishment to a part of the gentle hope, for a real spiritual culture and community, across this land, in our time. Harm to some of the soaring ideals of a young republic, now seen from abroad as a pre-emptive behemoth. Defeat to a part of the great dream of those who built the United Nations. Yes, reminders of death make us squirm.
So let us return to loyalty for a moment.
Meanwhile, back in Philippians, our APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES (emphasis added for emphasis), has now stated for us the force and source of loyalty in Jesus Christ, as he does with equal power in Galatians 2 and Romans 5 and 2 Corinthians 5 and 1 Thessalonians 4. That I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but one that comes through the faithfulness of Christ, the righteousness of God based on faith. (The loyalty of Christ, the righteousness of God based on Christ's loyalty.) Paul has been found in a new life. His earlier code and covenant have come to an end. They are set aside. They are good and true and beautiful, but not by comparison with the truly good and the beautifully true and the divinely beautiful. It is the loyalty of Christ to which Paul sings his hymn of praise as read this morning. The rendering of these verses depends upon a reading of the phrase, 'faith..Christ' as first in reference to Christ's own faith, by which in faith Paul and we are 'owned'. It may be that Paul has written these words in prison, and it may be that these words from prison were written at the end of his life. He will have had, as we do on some days, and Sundays, a clear sense of the fragility of life and its brevity.
So let us return to mortality for a moment.
The several marks of mortality set before us in the Gospel of John, chapter 12, are also reminders of divine love. Lazarus evokes such love from Jesus that, in that shortest of verses, we are reminded, 'Jesus wept'. Mary and Martha are the figures of serving and praying that we know so well in the teachings about disciplined love. Judas is never portrayed as doing ill for the sake of doing harm, but is found to mistake some love for all love. Most strongly, the pouring of perfume in lavish expense is understood as the full fragrance of affection and love.
Our readings today give us grace to live by faith. We may want to consider, on a bright spring Sunday afternoon walk, the examples of abiding loyalty and loving mortality which we have known. We are meant to 'become like him', and so we shall want to notice the forms of loyalty and limitation that are ever before us.
We may want to remember something of Josiah Royce, and his evocation of loyalty. You may recall from your own life and family experience, the example of a truly loyal friend. You may recognize that sometimes lesser loyalties must be laid aside in the face of greater loyalties. No one wants the lower lights to occlude the one great loyalty of life. You may recognize the difference, say, between asking forgiveness for a promise broken, and asking forgiveness for a promise that should never have been made in the first place, whether kept or broken. We may deeply recognize the need we have to reclaim the language of remorse out of our religious traditions, so that we might walk again in newness of life, following Lenten confession.
We shall want to find and practice the forms of loyalty by which, and through which we may dimly acknowledge our mortality. Any pastor will tell you that young people live as if they were immortal, and not only young people. There is a youthful courage in this, but also a tragic risk. We may want to recall the verses of Scripture that warn us about limits. Store ye not up treasure on earth where moth and rust consume…All flesh is grass, it withers and fades…Prize your time now you have it, for God is a consuming fire…The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong…This night is your soul required of you…
Here is a potentially saving word. It is the intimation of mortality that puts steel in the spine of our loyalty. It is the practiced sacrifice of loyalty that gives us courage for the facing of the last things. Where there is a sense of mortality there is a sense of loyalty. Where there is a preparation of loyalty there is a preparation for mortality. The one inspires the other. (Where there is no inkling of mortality there is no spur to loyalty). Perhaps that is why, in the mystery of all things, and in the planning for Sunday readings, Philippians 3 and John 12 were yoked. Think this lent about your lasting commitments. Think this lent about your limitations.
On July 26th 1982, the little church, Constable UMC, where Kirk Marlowe had been recruited a few years earlier for youth fellowship, was sparsely populated. Two dozen sweaty souls spread out across a hot church to celebrate the life and faith of George Marlowe. The funeral service was read. Good English sentences, scrip
tural and traditional and not too lengthy. A prayer. A psalm. A Gloria. A gospel lesson. A homily. A prayer. Kirk had also asked to offer a word at the end. So, with the prayer executed, the preacher sat. George's son stood with a wordless dignity. He surveyed the congregation with a silent dignity. He opened a guitar case and unpacked his acoustic guitar. He would not have used the word 'solemnize', but he could have. With a languid ease, and all the time in the world, Kirk tuned the instrument. Then he strummed. In a country beat. Country. Things are slow in the country. Then he began to sing, when the choking was subsided.
His was a hymn of love, sung by loyalty, into the teeth of mortality. Earl Marlatt wrote 'Are Ye Able', one of the Deans of Boston University School of Theology. Marlatt wrote, in his last annual report, 'we have developed a sermon-centered curriculum'. Marlatt's hymn, and these two texts, Philippians and John, through this sermon, ask you to develop a mortality conscious and loyalty laden life. A mortality conscious and loyalty laden life…
Son to father, loyalty to mortality, Kirk to George:
Are ye able…
Said the Master, to be crucified with me
When the shadows close around you with sod
Still the Master whispers down eternity
Lord we are able…


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Testing Toronto's Mettle
My dog has nearly seen as many no-hitters live as I have. My wife and our shihtzu, Barkley, were in the stands for Dog Day at the Rogers Centre when Dustin McGowan took his no-no into the ninth inning.
From a reporter's perspective, that was quite a hectic game. When Frank Thomas came to bat in the eighth, one swing away from 500 homers, and McGowan's no-hitter was still intact, I was imagining the 20 sidebars I'd be writing after the game. It sure would've been something else to have both those accomplishments happen on one night. But alas…Jeff Baker.
On to other things…
Judging from there being no post on here yesterday, I'm sure the loyalists out there figured out I didn't make the trip to Minnesota. I get to use these next few days to gather my strength for my upcoming three-week stint on the road. I'll join up with the Jays in Seattle, and will be on the road all the way until Toronto returns home to play those same Mariners on July 20. I know I'll be ready for some home cookin' by then, and I'm sure the Blue Jays will be feeling the same.
This is without a doubt the biggest stretch of the season for Toronto. Think back to last year, when the Jays went 2-8 on a West coast swing through Seattle and Oakland, which kickstarted the seven-game losing streak that essentially took the club out of the Wild Card race. That shows you how brutal this trip can be, and this time around it's set up with even more obstacles.
Counting Toronto's win last night — which took the club over .500 since April 30, one day before that nine-game losing streak happened — 18 of the next 21 games are on the road for the Jays. Topping it off, all 21 games are against teams above, or right behind, Toronto in the standings.
Four games in Minnesota, which is currently a half-game above the Jays in the Wild Card race. Three games against Seattle, which is three games ahead of Toronto in the WC. Then, three against the A's, who are one game above the Jays in the WC. Follow that up with a brief three-game home set against the Wild Card-leading Indians. After the All-Star break, it's consecutive four-game sets against Boston, leading the East, and New York, which is one game behind the Jays.
Needless to say, if Toronto can return home on July 20 with a record at or above .500, I think the road trip can be called a success. That will be tough, though. At least there's good news on the horizon for Toronto, considering Lyle Overbay and Reed Johnson should both be back around, or a little after, the All-Star break. Reinforcements are coming.
Overbay is scheduled to hit off a tee in Minnesota today, and Johnson is scheduled to start a Minor League rehab assignment in the Gulf Coast League in about a week. One question Toronto will have to deal with is, when those two do return from the DL, what becomes of Matt Stairs? He's certainly been an unsung hero over the past few weeks for the Blue Jays.
Since I'm not on the road, here are some highlights from today's clips:
- A.J. Burnett threw in a bullpen session on Monday and is all systems go for Thursday's start against the Twins. He also took a moment to dicuss the no-hitter he threw with the Marlins. Thanks go to Leslie Parker for filling in for me at bluejays.com.
- As long as players are reminiscing, Richard Griffin of the Star talks to Frank Thomas about his first career home run. That blast came at the Metrodome, where the Big Hurt is looking for No. 500 right now.
- In his game story, Mike Rutsey of the Sun discusses the brutal road trip Toronto is taking on.
- Jeremy Sandler of the National Post writes about the Jays experiencing some recent success in spite of injuries, and the importance of the current 10-game swing.
- Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail follows up on Royce Clayton's Sunday sit down with GM J.P. Ricciardi.
- Also, did anyone catch John Thomson's first start for the Royals? The Toronto castoff went seven and allowed two earned runs on 81 pitches to pick up a win in his season debut.
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At least they won't have to pitch to Milton Bradley on this road trip.
(That game in Oakland last year was the only Jays game I saw in person in 2006 and it was a major heartbreaker.)
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First, let me state I think Matt Stairs has been an unbelieveable signing for the Jays. The guy has played tremendous baseball. However, in the end, this is a business, although the decision I'd make would vary depending on what happens in the next 12 games.
We play 12 games against the teams ahead of us in the wild card race-9 more on the road and then come home to play 3 against Cleveland. By the break we could be 2-3 games back in the wild card or 10 and out of the season.
Assuming we do well in this stretch, and I think we will, I'd do the following when Overbea and Johnson come back. I'd option Phillips and Clark back to AAA and keep Stairs, Thigpen and Lind here. Thigpen is better defensively than Phillips, has a better bat and can also back up Overbea at 1st. They Jays have done a good job of easing him into the lineup and I think he's ready for a bigger role.
One way or the other, I'd dump Clayton and call up Sergio Santos from AA.
If we're 10 back, I'd also trade Stairs, who's value doesn't get any better than it is now. We signed him for 1 year and whether we trade him or not, the cost to resign him for next year, if we want to do that, will be the same. So I'd trade him and get some value now.
It was pretty dumb for the jays to dump Thompson like that. Josh Towers is not a good #5 starter. What was the front office thinking?? DOes anyone know!! Tell me there is an awesome ******** excuse.
Here's your awesome excuse for dumping Thomson…."Thomson = garbage"
They are only keeping Towers because they know there is not another team out there that will pay his salary. So the Jays are hoping too much that his skill level will somehow majorly improve. However the Jays should have moved him back down to AAA and recalled the batboy from Syracuse to pitch in the #5 hole. I'd have to say, he'd do so much better.
Finally someone out here who knows something about baseball!! Thomson = garbage may be the most accurate statement ive read out here in days. Don't get me wrong because I am a hugh fan of the game and a strong Blue Jay supporter but most of you out here need to give your heads a shake. Most of the comments early in the season were singing high praises about Thomson, Ohka , and Zambrano and about how much money was saved…etc. Reality = a couple million dollars flushed down the toilet. Now all these ****** like sumner will have you trading away there hottest hitter for Beans and keeping your fingers crossed they get into a wild card race. I didnt realize the Jays all of a sudden had the best pitching staff in the world either oh ya I forgot… Halliday, Burnett, Shawn Carlton,and Dustin Koufax oh and I forgot to mention Jesse " Maddux " Litsch, and David " Seaver " Purcey. You guys are too much.LOL LOL. Always get a good chuckle out of reading your stupid comments. By the way dont hold your breath on A.J. he'll be opting out of his contract after next season as quick as the Yankees can say 75 million over 4 years.
P.S. Sergio Santos will never play for this ball club. Why…. because he is a stiff. Zero eye at the plate, Poor baserunner, Can't steal a base for his life, No more power ( 5 dingers last year ) since going off the juice, and can't hit his weight in trips. All of this coupled with average defense at best. Boy are can hardly wait till this guy turns 25. Oh I forgot he is 25…lol Do you Sumner actually watch baseball or is this stuff based on your Sony playstation season?
You know, the last time I responded to you was a bit of a shot accross the bow to see how you'd respond. I find it's always unfortunate when you find out your initial thoughts about someone were accurate as I have with you.
This is a MLB site for the Toronto Blue Jays. Fans are encouraged to post their opinions here and comment on the Jays and that's a good thing. None of us are 100% accurate or we'd be running the BLue Jays, but, we're all entitled to our opinion as fans.
However, as in other blogs, posters have a responsibility to post in a responsible manner. Your posts of personal attacks on myself and others are not in that category and simply show your low intelligence level and inmaturity. So maybe you should consider cleaning up your act.
You should also consider doing some research before you start babbling and you'd find out Santos has already hit 14 Hr's and driven in 44 RBI's in 68 games. His 14 Hr's lead the Eastern League of AA. Not bad for a short stop. The Jays have rated his throwing arm the best in the organization, and the number of errors he's committed are in middle ground-not high nor low.
I have no idea whether he will make it at this level or not, but the Jays do have him on their 40 man roster so they must think he has a chance. And as a fan, I'd like to see him up here, if only for a short time, to see what he's got.
And by the way, I'd be cautious if I was you about claiming someone like Santos was on the Juice. That is slanderous, unfounded gossip you created and again shows your lack of responsibity as a poster.
rbast puke.O i'm sorry i didn't mean to throw up on you.Puke sorry again.If you don't like what we post why bother to read us puke sorry again.You know you dont have to insult us just because your sister wont sleep with you.You remind me of Josh Towers no future.
u r unbelievable. As gsummer said we post here to share our opinions and what we think is right and since we are all bluejays fans here we need to make sure that we don't yell, scream and show our immaturity to each other since no one is sure of how the season might turn out. if you don't agree with someone you don't attack them you reply to them and show some respect. Also if you don't like what we say in our posts then DON'T READ THEM, just incase you might not know this in your thick head (oops i meant to say hollow head) the front office gets paid to do their job, they will always have a reason for what they do. Now we could have traded McGowan long ago but we didn't and look he almost threw a no-hitter with 1 hit in the ninth. So before you attack anyone here or post some junk about players have some solid proof to back it up.
And you might say i am a hypocrite since i'm attacking you after cleary writing in my post no to attack anyone, i will just say that i had to do this.
Towers going 6.1 innings and giving up 3 earned runs is a quality start. I think Ty goes back to AAA tommorrow when Burnett is activated. As much as I dislike Towers, he's likely deserved another start.
Of course, then our bullpen took over and did their normal job of shutting them down.
This is a huge win in that Boston, New York and Cleveland all lost tonight. So we're now only 9 back of Boston, who are starting to show signs of being ordinary again, and 6 back in the wild card race.
We also moved two up on NY tonight. Keep it going Jays, this road trip is huge.
Hey check out our first rounder from last year Travis Snider playing for Lansing. His BA has recently droppped (little slump) from .362 to .322, but 5 HR's and an amazing 51 RBI's in 61 games. The guy's turning into an RBI machine.
Hi there!, I am 35 and played ball my entire life and also coache a team that was very successful for about 10 years. I have very good ball knowlege and I have to admit that I really do not like Gibbons. Over the last several years, he has made terrible decisions as a coach that really rattled me. Just to give you an example, last year, Jays are down 1 run with Castillo on 2nd(I can run faster running backwards, in the final innings of the game, Zaun sitting on the bench….a perfect situation to to pinch run and then bring in Zaun. I don't quite remember the specifics but I do remember that they would have tied the game with a little bit of speed on base. I was really upset that a coach at the major league level just didn't have a clue. I could probably go on with lots of other situations that I can remember that just totally PXXXXD me off over the last several years. I really think the Jays would have been closer last year if Gibbons would have made good decisions. He was directly responsible for at least 10 lost games last year. The last month has been totally different, I dont know if he's been told or if he is not calling all the shots now but there is definately been an improvement. Hopefully this is not a just a phase Gibbons is going through. I think the Jays do have an outside chance to do something good this year but they will need their coach to make normal, common sense baseball decisions. Even though I really do not like Gibbons, I'm a Jays fan at heart and I really hope he can change his coaching style and lead this team to success. If not, I think front office has to make a change. I know Riccardi and Gibbons are long time friends but I think that with all the good moves he has done, If they do not improve on last year's record, the priority for the Jays is a coach change(I've been saying that for 3 years now) Gibbon's, please make me eat my words, play a little more small ball, and make sound, strategic decisions that will take this team to the next level. You have a solid team, Prove me wrong and lead this team to greatness.
I guess I should have proof read my post, I'm sorry for the spelling mistakes.
Has anyone been noticing all of the errors that the jays have been making lately?
I think the reason for the errors is the Twins have speed on the bases the Jays are rushing their plays.My opinion on Burnett a complete *****.I don't care how good he thinks he is he has no right to act like he did.He has no right to wear a blue jays uniform i hope he does opt out good riddance.
Ya those Twins are a nightmare when they get on base. One things for sure though, Burnett is a BIG question mark right now. Hes had good years but this year hes had very few solid games which is not what you would expect for the big contract he has. Ive been hearing its a steal of a contract but he sure hasnt proved that. The only success he has had has been against slumping teams or at times were better teams were in a slump. With the schedual ahead he better figure out his mechanics.
I didn't watch or hear the game. What did Burnett do?
gsummer.I read in the Toronto Sun where he threw his glove to the crowd and tore off his jersy when Gibbons took him out before he left the field.
gsummer go to sportsnet.ca and read Burnett goes beserk and you be the judge.
Thanks Garry
Frankly, I like what Burnett did, it shows he wants to win, and was upset with this performance-nothing wrong with that. I also find it refeshing to see Thomas get upset and tos'd. This intensity is what this team has been missing; it's nice to see it. Is it only coincidence that it comes back when Zaunie comes back, I don't know.
In defense, Burnett became our #1 starter when Halliday went down and everytime he went out there he delivered a quality start. In the 10 games he's started this year 8 have been quality starts. That is a good average and is the mark of a good starter.
He's had mediocre run support or would likely be 8 and 2. Instead he's 5 and 6. Imagine Burnett sitting there, not able to pitch, while the team is racking up 10 and 12 runs a game, when he had 1 and 2 scored for him.
He was frustrated and knows if he had started better the team would have won today. He also knows how important this road trip is, and how much nicer it'd have been going to the west coast with 3 of the 6 wins required on this road trip in the bag.
The other thing , I'd like to say about Burnett is, I'd bet he doesn't op out of his contract for more money elsewhere. I think Burnett likes it here and wants to be a major contributor in helping us win. I also think the money we're paying him is more than enough for him to enjoy the lifestyle he wants and feels lucky to get such a contract.
I think sometimes, like Wells, Burnett trys too hard to win.
If you think this is intense, wait till Johnson gets back. With the game on the line, I'd bet he'd put his entire body across the plate to ensure the pitcher hits him and he gets a pass to first base. LOL
For the record, Burnett lost today,because Frasor blew a halt. When Burnett left only 3 runs were in, by the time Frasor finished the 5th 2 more plated.
These guys keep playing with this emotion and intensity though and it's going to be a fun second half to be a Blue Jays fan.
One Other point
Gibby did make the right decision in pulling Burnett today and keeping his pitch count limited. Burnett was just coming off the DL and it was right to limit his pitch count.
Congratulations to Big Frank on homer 500. Im a White Sox fan and have grown up watching Frank hitting bombs. I'm 27 with a kid on the way now and he's still doing it! here is to one of my all time favorites on reaching a remarkable milestone! way to go Frank!
gsummer.The thing that bothers me is when he threw his glove into the crowd he showed up his manager but when he ripped off his team jersey he insulted his manager his teamates and the fans.Trade him for Bedard.???. This team is going great guns right now they dont need any problems in the clubhouse.I think this team will be a killer next year now that Marcum and McGowan have showen they can pitch with the best of them.P.S. To rbast. Sorry about the sister remark i'm not sure if you even have a sister.
I saw that game and I think Burnett was just pissed at himself and the whole situation. He not used to having a pitch count either this year so he probably felt like he was just getting started and everything was falling apart in that inning. Now I am upset about one thing. Phillips really *****!!!! He has a terrible average, cant run, cant throw out anyone. I mean bring something, anything , maybe even a cool hair cut. Why arent they using Thigpin on the days Zaun has off. He seems like an all around guy. Mind you I wonder what kind of cannon he has for throwing people out. Anyways dies anyone know why they are not utilizing him over Phillips???
sorry about the spelling and I cant believe they automatically censor the word suc-ks
"Anyways dies anyone know why they are not utilizing him over Phillips???"
Gee, I dunno if I should post here or not. Liable to get shot!! I think the reason they use Phillips is that his main job is calling the game and working with the pitchers, something he does very well, but is not apparent to viewers. Thigpen is not fully developed as a catcher yet, something the Jays are aware of, and I don't think this should be learn as you earn time with the big club. When Johnson and Overbay return, we will likely see Thigpen and Lind return to AAA with thanks to continue their development. Matt Stairs will return to his bench role, and the club will almost be back to what was envisaged in Spring Training (minus Ryan and League).
BTW, John Thompson had a very good outing in KC yesterday, so he is definitely not garbage. The only reason Towers is here is that the Jays are paying him big money to lose ball games. In all fairness, he doesn't get the run support, but that goes hand in hand with what happens in the other half of the inning. If he can't find a way to start winning ball games, I don't see how he will be in the Jay's plans for 2008.


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Are there Riemanniann manifolds with zero curvature other than open subsets of $\mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{T}^m$, where $\mathbb{T}^m$ is an $m$ dimensional torus and $m,n\geq 0$ ?
Does taking quotients of opens in $\mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{T}^m$ by the action of some -possibly discrete- Lie group provide new examples (i.e. that are not themselves isometric to opens in a Torus x Euclideanspace)? [assuming we're in a case where the quotient is a manifold, and we can induce a metric on it]
Does taking (universal or not) coverings enlarge the class of the above examples?
More generally: is there a classification of flat not necessarily complete flat Riemannian manifolds?
If we added "complete", would we obtain only the $\mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{T}^m$ 's ?


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Spam is on an upward trend, topping 85 percent of all e-mail in April for the first time in 19 months, according to the latest monthly threat report from e-mail security firm MessageLabs — now a part of Symantec. This is a sharp uptick from the 74 percent spotted in March, and it represents a rebound from a recent low of 68 percent in late 2008.
A lot of this unwanted or downright fraudulent traffic is image spam, which uses messages in the form of an image rather than text to avoid some filters.
Behind these apparently gloomy statistics, however, is a clue about a potentially effective tool for squelching spam. Maybe — just maybe — forcing the registrars of Internet domain names to act responsibly could deprive the spammers of the corners of cyberspace in which they operate.
Spam volumes took a nosedive in November 2008 after the shutdown of McColo, a hosting company based in San Jose, Calif., that was identified as the source of a lot of unwanted e-mail messages. This did not eliminate the problem, of course, and spammers immediately began retooling.
"Over the long haul, there is no reason to think that the decline is going to continue," Sam Masiello, vice president of information security at MX Logic, said in March.
The figures for April show that Masiello was right. But they also show something else. Many of the top-level domains (TLDs) in which the spam images are being hosted are registered in China's .cn domain. This probably is a result of the McColo crackdown, MessageLabs said.
"This may be as a result of many affiliates of the main TLD registrars associated with registering spam domains having to clean up their act and make it much harder to register such domains," the report states. "As a result, spammers are forced to register domains overseas with registrars that seemingly do not have such stringent controls in place."
So on one hand, spam is as bad as ever and getting worse. But on the other hand, shutting down one notorious hosting company forced many spammers to move offshore. This indicates that depriving bad actors of name space could help control the problem. If they moved to China because of less stringent controls, enforcing controls there could force them out of China, as well. True, at first, this could resemble a game of Whack-A-Mole. But over time, the number of holes available for these moles might be reduced to a more manageable number.
Silver bullets are unlikely, and this method is no exception. It works only when bad actors operate openly enough to be identified and are denied access to domains. Over the years, spammers and online criminals have shown a remarkable ability to adapt and fly under the radar of the best security tools. And there will always be hosting companies and registrars willing to turn a blind eye to questionable behavior of clients and customers.
But effective enforcement of existing policies still could be a powerful weapon in the ongoing battle against spam and other malicious online activity.
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EUGENE, Ore. (AP) Oregon center Tony Woods scored 14 points and the Ducks overcame a sluggish performance on offense to defeat Nebraska 60-38 on Saturday.
Forward Arsalan Kazemi also had 10 points and a season-high 17 rebounds for the Ducks (9-1), who improved to 8-0 at home this season.
E.J. Singler also scored 13 for Oregon, which was held 19.4 points below its season average, including a season-low point total in the first half, though the Ducks still led 27-18 at the break.
The Ducks also missed on their first 11 3-point attempts before Singler made a pair in the final seven minutes of the game.
Oregon had 16 turnovers, including 10 in the first half.
But led by Woods, who was 7-for-11 from the field, and Kazemi, the Ducks dominated inside, outscoring the Cornhuskers 40-12 in the paint, and outrebounding Nebraska 41-25.
Dylan Talley led the Cornhuskers (6-3) with 11 points.


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Ask a Cicerone: The Best Lower-Alcohol Dark Beers
Beer tips from the experts.
If you love dark beer, you probably find yourself drinking quite a few strong specimens—luscious barrel-aged imperial stouts and robust porters, rich, roasty...and boozy. But what about the sorts of beers that you can drink by the pint all afternoon? What are the options in dark beer under, say, 5% ABV?
We asked our crew of beer experts for their picks: What are the best sessionable dark beers? Here are their selections for the best lower-alcohol options in porters, stouts, schwarzbiers, and more.
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"One of my newest favorite low ABV stouts is the Peat Smoked Stout from Newburgh Brewing Company in upstate New York. It's 4% ABV with a hint of smoke, slight dark chocolate notes and a ton of flavor coming from such a small beer."—Anne Becerra (The Ginger Man)
"Good low alcohol dark beers tend to be few and far between. The majority being English ales brewed for high drinkability, my personal favorite being Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. With all the roasty, chocolately complexity found in American interpretations of the style, Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout clocks in at exactly 5%. This is a beer brewed for those who want to drink pint after pint without compromising their love of dark beers."—Ryan Spencer (Bailey's Taproom)
"Köstritzer Schwarzbier is a light bodied dark German lager with lots of roasty dry chocolate malt flavor, but very little bitterness. The style name 'schwarzbier' translates to black beer, they're among the darkest of the German lagers but aren't at very strong. Köstritzer, one of the world's best and most available schwarzbiers, comes in at only 4.8% abv, so you can have a few without worrying about how you'll feel in the morning."—Chris Cohen (San Francisco Homebrewers Guild)
"Victory's Donnybrook Stout is just 3.7% ABV. From a nitrogen pour, the creaminess balances the roasty malts to make it a smooth and surprisingly flavorful beer for a beer with such low alcohol. Or try Kulmbacher Schwarzbier (4.9% ABV), an easy drinking dark lager that has round dark fruit, chocolate and toffee flavors, with only a mild coffee-like bitterness to balance the sweetness."—Judy Neff (Pints & Plates)
"The Solidarity from Eagle Rock Brewing in LA immediately jumps to mind. Seven types of malt are used in this 'Black Mild', which creates a wonderful interplay of caramel, chocolate, nuts, and even hints of Oolong tea. Being 3.8% ABV yet full of flavor, it definitely works to the advantage of the session tippler. It is also always a safe bet to look for Dry Irish Stouts when considering lower alcohol dark beers, and I really like the example from Yonkers Brewing. Clocking in at a shade under 5% ABV, this nitro-dispensed example pours like a frothy milkshake and exhibits predominant notes of dark roast and velvety chocolate."—James Tai (Pinch)
"Grognard Session Stout from Bellwoods Brewery. It's a 3.8% ABV stout that has great, complex chocolatey and roasty flavour, some notes of cherry and blackberry, and a good dose of Legacy hops in the finish. My favourite time to drink is in the middle of the day, and this is a great beer for spending the afternoon by a fireplace, relaxing."—Jesse Vallins (The Saint Tavern)
"Other than the ubiquitous Guinness Draught, there are not a whole lot of bottled low alcohol dark beers which is a shame. A few weeks ago I had a sub 5% Oatmeal Stout on draft from Founders that I could have drunk all night, but it was draft only. There are a few imported Stouts low in ABV that I really enjoy when I have the opportunity to get them. The first is the Caribbean-brewed Mackeson Triple XXX Stout imported from Trinidad. It's a Sweet/Milk Stout style at 4.9% and it's divine. A friend of mine from Anguilla first gave me one to try and I was shocked how much I loved it. I also like the new Fuller's Black Cab which is a Dry Stout. This venerable London brewer makes some of my favorite English session beers and this is definitely a sessionable stout at only 4.5%. It's black as night and plenty interesting while still supremely drinkable. Last but not least is Schlafly Black Lager in their Can Sessions series which was specifically formulated to be under 5% yet leave nothing to be desired in terms of flavor. Like most Schwarzbier, Schlafly's is refreshing and easy drinking while still expressing a very light roastiness. I refer to the style as 'dark beer that doesn't taste like dark beer.'"—Chris Kline (Schnuck Markets)
"Low ABV dark beers are my favorite beers to drink. I have already used this platform to wax rhapsodic about Solidarity from Eagle Rock, to that I would add HenHouse's Oyster Stout and the Whippersnapper from Berryessa Brewing, a Southern English-style brown ale. The HenHouse beer uses Drake's Bay Oysters as well as some additional sea salt to arrive at a delightful licoricey, briny 4.9% ABV treat. Most batches of Whippersnapper clock in under 4% ABV and the beer always showcases a bold sarsaparilla-like sweetness and a quenching bit of roast on the finish."—Sayre Piotrkowski (Hog's Apothecary)
"One of my laments in the world of beer has long been the lack of low ABV beers with substance. Classic British and Irish porters and stouts offer a number of good options. American interpretations are often much higher in alcohol but a few gems like Ale Asylum's Contorter are welcome exceptions to the rule. While no longer in production, Pour Decisions Brewing Company's Pubstitute, a light Scottish ale, came in at a mere 3.1% and offered true sessionability with substance. I'm still looking for something to fill that low alcohol void. My local standard go-to for a deeper session beer may be slightly outside the definition of 'session' but at 5.1%, Summit Oatmeal Stout is rich and creamy with a full mouthfeel and a clean finish that encourages sip after glorious sip while leaving you coherent enough to remember the encounter."—Dan Parker (Stout's Pub)
"A well crafted Schwarzbier combines the dark roasty notes of a stout with the body of a lager and a desirable low ABV. The most traditional example found in the US is from the German brewery Kostritzer but I really enjoy Baba Black Lager from Unita (Utah) which is very sessionable at 4% ABV."—Tyler Morton (Taste of Tops)
"On the ale side, it's hard to find porters and stouts 5% or under, but one classic that fits the bill is Samuel Smith Taddy Porter. It's got that great chocolate/coffee taste with that classic Northern England hard water minerality that Samuel Smith is famous for. At 5.2%, which is slightly above the question's limit, Deschutes Black Butte Porter is loaded with rich, dark, chocolate notes that are balanced with a nice mix of hop and malt bitterness. It's highly flavorful and easy to drink."—Christopher Barnes (I Think About Beer and Columbia Distributing)
"The LAB Brewing Company in Agoura Hills, California has, hands down, the best Schwarzbier I've ever had the good luck to stumble upon. Schwarz Schaf Schwarzbier is the creation of head brewer Roger Bott's brilliant black lager that comes in around 5.0% ABV—layers of roast, hints of dark cocoa and coffee finish cleanly with a crisp bite."—Becki Kregoski (Bites 'n Brews)
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As Kentucky Derby 138 approaches, attention is focused on the 3-year-old crop of young thoroughbreds vying to win the sport's most prestigious race. They run their hearts out for our amusement.
But do you ever wonder what happens to these and other thoroughbred racehorses once their racing or breeding careers are over?
With the growing popularity of big box office horse movies such as Seabiscuit, Dreamer, Secretariat, and War Horse, comes the heightened awareness of the welfare of these beautiful and versatile thoroughbreds (to say nothing of HBO's short-lived series Luck, canceled after three horses died during production).
Many of these horses are still young and have their long lives ahead of them, with much to still contribute after they are retired from racing careers. Thoroughbreds have been successfully retrained in many disciplines including dressage, eventing, hunter-jumpers, barrel racing, pole bending, polo and trail riding. After it became known that Exceller, a champion thoroughbred, was sent to a slaughterhouse in Sweden in 1997 and 2002 Kentucky Derby winner Ferdinand's death at slaughter in Japan after his breeding career was over, there was a glaring focus on the plight of many retired racehorses. Endings like theirs, however, do not have to happen.
Thanks to Kentucky-based thoroughbred racehorse adoption and retirement facilities, many of Kentucky's off-the-track thoroughbreds are getting their second chances at new careers or enjoying a safe and dignified retirement at facilities dedicated to their well being.
My daughters and I made the trip down to Lexington on a gorgeous April spring day to visit two of these facilities—The Makers Mark Secretariat Center located in the Kentucky Horse Park and Old Friends Equine, a Thoroughbred retirement facility, located in Georgetown. Both facilities also educate the public about the thoroughbred horse's incredible attributes.


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A tale of two cities … continued
Letters to the Editor
Last updated 5/9/2012 at 11:58am
The saga continues. At the advice and suggestion of the state Department of Ecology (DOE), Coulee Dam extended the Olive Branch to Elmer City… well, sort of; they suggested a meeting between the two towns' mayors to "explain" the reasons for the $5 - $7 million project.
The meeting was held on Friday morning (at Elmer City). At first that meeting was scheduled between the two mayors and the Coulee Dam engineer. Then Coulee Dam added their public works superintendent… so Elmer City added theirs. Then Coulee Dam decided to include an additional engineer and two of their council members and Elmer City added two of its council members. Still a stacked deck, but the Elmer City tenacity and effective probing would prove to be the equalizer in the end.
Knowing that Elmer City rarely closes its doors to the public, I decided to go … to listen … to take notes. I tried at first to enter but found there, bigger than life, the Coulee Dam mayor (Snow) blocking the doorway to Elmer City hall! Standing there with his hands pressed up against the door frame as if even to block a stray mouse, he was quite a sight! There were others behind me, waiting to get in too, and he huffed and he puffed and finally uttered, "Wilder, this is a Coulee Dam meeting and it's closed to the public… you're not welcome here!"
Wow, I thought, I must have taken the wrong turn and ended up at Coulee Dam Town hall! But no, I really was in Elmer City, albeit now apparently annexed by Coulee Dam! So I stood tall (I did have my cowboy boots on, after all) huffed and puffed a bit myself and demanded he stand aside to let us pass. He exhaled and lost his advantage and scurried off to complain to the Elmer City mayor!
More blue smoke and mirrors from the engineer, more excuses and reasons from Coulee Dam … yet no substantive demonstration that the huge expenditure was/is necessary. Yes, "we would like a new building" and "the expensive bio-selector will make it easier for us to operate the sewer treatment plant." "Buffering the pH causes too many problems so we will buffer only a little - sometimes… maybe…" But, through it all, no apologies, nor reasons, no explanations as to why the town of Coulee Dam didn't include Elmer City, the Tribe, the USBR, or others as it planned the project and ultimately decided to design and build it. And NO willingness for a project peer review/analysis.
At the meeting Coulee Dam seemed confused as to if or not Elmer City was a "partner" or, as the Coulee Dam town clerk put it, "just another customer!" I suppose she could have said "just another 250 customers." Then, with a stroke of divine enlightenment, a Coulee Dam representative uttered; "It's up to Elmer City to decide if they want to be our PARTNER or not!" Parenthetically that means, and skipping an obvious and more applicable metaphor, "We are going to consummate the marriage with or without a license!" This seems to imply that Coulee Dam doesn't really need its customers. Without Elmer City, the cost to Coulee Dam residents will be huge (and still unnecessary).
The "engineer" did let us all know that they represent small communities for a reason. They are "looking out for their (our) best interests." In closing, let's put that wonderful benevolence into perspective. The engineering budget is 25 percent (about $1,25 million) of the total project. And, according to the engineer's own estimate, they intend to charge this 25 percent for everything, including for things for which they put forth no effort, like on sales taxes and Tribal TERO! Let's compare that to another sewer facility/system (treatment plant) in Washington… with a highly qualified engineering firm. Their fees are about 15 percent … 40 percent less than we are paying. And they aren't assessing fees on state sales taxes either! You gotta wonder what is meant by "looking out for the best interest of the small community" means! And you gotta wonder who would negotiate/approve a contract with these rates!
I took the time to look at other projects and without exception they all (except Coulee Dam) included this (or a similar) statement in their Facility Plan: "Public involvement is a key component of the Sewer District's preliminary and final design activities for a New Sewage Collection and Treatment System. By drawing input from a wide range of interested parties the District maximizes the prospect of an appropriate project design and stakeholder commitment." Then there is Coulee Dam with its closed-door committee meeting policy and their attempts to keep us all in the dark… but why?
I remain stalwart and focused on the best for this (these) communities and I also remain,
Greg Wilder


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Welcome to My New Home
by exercisebeforeknitting
on WordPress! I can't move my Haloscan comments from Blogger over to WordPress but that's a small pittance to to pay.*
I hope you'll change your .rss feed subscriptions over to my new domain, exercisebeforeknitting.com. What can I say? It's so much easier to type than exercisebeforeknitting.blogspot.com.
I thought I'd celebrate my new home by offering a new pattern and hosting blog contest. I've made the final edits on the baby jacket pattern I worked up last winter. Many thanks to blogless Lisa, Kellie and Kelly for test knitting the pattern for me! You'll find a link to the pattern in the menu on the right.
There are three prizes up for grabs:
1. A copy of the baby jacket pattern and three skeins (207 yds/skein) of Lion Brand Cotton-Ease (50% cotton, 50% acrylic) in the gender-neutral color of Terracotta. It's too dark to take accurate pictures of the yarn now but the link will give you an accurate representation. The version shown here was knitted in white Cotton-Ease.
2. Two skeins (215 yds/skein) of Lorna's Laces Shepherd Sock (80% superwash wool, 20% nylon) in Sunshine for you solid-color knitters. The color isn't quite so orange as the picture would indicate but it was the best I could do in low light.
3. One 100-g ball (420 m) of Rellana Jubilaumsgarn Flotte sock yarn (75% superwash wool, 25% polymide) for you variegated-color knitters. Actually, I'm not sure whether this is self-striping of variegated.
Leave me a comment telling me which prize you'd like and I'll draw three winners on Sunday, October 7th!
Three weeks of no blogging means I have lots to show you! Stay tuned for sweater knitting, a blogger rendez-vous, stash expansion and a very special UFO.


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SAN JOSE (CBS SF) – Breastfeeding moms were out in force at more than 100 Target stores across the country, including one in San Jose on Wednesday, all prompted by the alleged mistreatment of a breastfeeding mom at a store in the Houston area.
The mother claimed employees made her feel uncomfortable when she fed her son while Christmas shopping last month.
KCBS' Mike Colgan Reports:
Melisa Nunez was among those gathered at the San Jose store at The Plant shopping center. She said that many women are afraid to breastfeed their children in public.
"That's why you find so many moms that just don't go out or always carry a bottle," she said. "Or they hide in their car or in a bathroom. Who would want to eat their lunch in a bathroom? Why should I feel obligated to do that for my child when we're not causing anyone trouble. We're keeping to ourselves. I'd rather if no one looks at me. I don't need anybody staring at me while I'm feeding my baby."
Richard Piche, assistant manager of the Target at The Plant on Curtner Avenue, was asked what he would say to someone who complained about someone breastfeeding their child in the store.
"I would just restate our policy, that we allow our mothers to breastfeed in any public area in our store," said Piche.
Target said all employees have been updated about the company's policy.
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ewwwww. effing gross.
The focus is all wrong!- Although I think it should be discrete I also think it's a choice. What the focus should be on is the overweighted ladies who dress in spandex pants and skintight tank tops who look like a 50 pound sack of potatoes stuffed in a 25 pound sack, waddling through the prepackaged pastry section. Now that, is indecent.
This is an outrage of common decency. No there shouldn't be public urination exposing our breasts or genitals in the food Isle at Target. Not only is it a health hazzard but a infringement of others freedoms. Our Stores now so desperate for business? What has happened to common decency is not so common.. If these women really want to flip there breasts out next to the Mangos and drip there bodily fluids and leaving tissues in the shopping carts where customers purchase produce have the decency to wear a trench coat to identify you. The Policy of being descreet applies here. What if men insisted it was there right to air out there testicles in public. This should not be a business issue but should be an issue taken up with the health department. A new generation of flashers and inconsiderate third world thinking and acting people are trying to lower the standard of laws that protect us and our children. The Blond and the Brunette I as certain would look great flipping them out to the enjoyment of men in the store. But what of others. Think of others besides yourself.
Wow. You seem pretty uneducated. First of all, Breast feeding is not a health hazard, it's a means of feeding a child. Airing out testicles is not comparable to feeding a baby. As far as lowering the standard of laws to protect you and your children, protect you from what? Most states have laws that say breast feeding is not considered indecent. I certainly don't flip my boobs for the enjoyment of men. And i certainly don't think of myself, but I'm thinking of my hungry child.
There is nothing health hazzardous about nursing. LOL Do you know what breastmilk is made of? Things that actually KILL disease and infection. It is full of antibodies. Moms in Africa with HIV/AIDS are encouraged to breastfeed because it is SAFER than giving them the contaminated water. This is not the same as a man showing his testicles.There are more boobs on photos with models wearing next to nothing than you see with a nursing baby. We are thinking of our babies when we nurse – so yeah we aren't thinking of ourselves.
There is nothing gross or indecent about feeding a baby when he/she is hungry. It is a normal, natural, non-disgusting act. What is gross is that people expect breastfeeding mothers to go sit in the bathroom to feed their babies. Talk about nasty!! Do you eat in the bathroom, where urine and feces become airborne with the flushing toilets?
I totally agree that women should not breastfeed in public. I breastfed all four of my children for two years each and not once did I find the need to expose myself in public just to feed my child. Before I left my house I prepared for anything from feeding to changing diapers. You can too, you can express milk into a bottle and it will not hurt your child to drink from a bottle for one or two feedings. If you don't want to give a bottle, then sit in your car and feed your kid. I do not want to see your breast, it is gross and should be a private thing done in the privacy of your home. Quit forcing your sick attitudes on me and the rest of the world. Be a smart mom and prepare before you go aqnywhere.
I am a smart mom. My child does not drink from a bottle when I'm with him. And why should I stop my shopping to go run to the car? I don't find feeding my child sick or gross. Its beautiful and natural. If you don't like it then don't look. It's that easy
Actually it is not beneficial to nurse from a bottle. What if baby gets nipple confusion? So your thoughts and opinions should keep my child from nursing the normal way? Wow, whose thinking is backwards?
I have breastfed three children over the course of almost nine years. I leave my house on a regular basis and so do my children. When they are hungry, I feed them. I would do no different for an adult.
Breasts are not gross. They are actually quite fascinating in that they produce milk that is not only a source of food, but provide antibodies and stimulate brain cell growth.
I think eating a meal in a public restroom is disgusting, but as an adult you are free to do so if you wish.
My baby wouldn't latch to nurse for a two weeks when he was 3 weeks old after he was bottle fed, so yeah, one or two feedings from a bottle can hurt. It can create a situation where the baby realizes that they don't have to work as hard to eat, then simply won't. He would SCREAM each time I tried to nurse him. I'm very lucky that I was able to coax him back into nursing eventually, after weeks of exclusive pumping, because with some babies, this never happens.
I feel dreadfully sorry for your children if that is the attitude you have towards meeting a primal need of theirs. I hope you didn't have any daughters who might choose to breast feed their own children one day. Heaven forbid they might just have to do it in public. It's not like having sex on a table in the food court, generally speaking that should be done in "private". Breast feeding is not indecent it's normal and I am incredibly disgusted that you as a breast feeding mom believes it is "gross" What a shame, I'm quite surprised that in you 8 collective years of breast feeding you didn't grow a little more comfortable with your own body. You must be one huge tight ass then.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with breastfeeding in public. That is what our bodies were made to do. Indecent? No. It's not like us mothers are walking around topless. Health Hazard? No. It's not like I'm walking around lactating all over your food and faces. There is no clear comparison to men walking around with their testicles out.
But to those of you who don't support feeding babies the best food for the seem to be either uncomfortable in your own body, uneducated or perverts for staring. If you didn't look so hard, you wouldn't feel uncomfortable. I am so lucky to be surrounded by so many people who think its a beautiful, natural and healthy thing. It sickens me that even other BF'ing moms thing its indecent. I don't need to pack a bottle or stay home. I have everything I need under my blouse.
It's a breast. GET OVER IT.
8 ball – your argument is invalid for making the point you want to make here. Look up "straw man" logical fallacy and try again.
Finally, there is no nudity or indecency in public breastfeeding.
Ask yourself this: if breastfeeding was considered "indecent", why would CBS put footage of breastfeeding moms in its news coverage of this protest, on public TV?
By the way, hide your kids at the 1:30 mark in the video, because things get "obscene"!
Wow. Breastmilk is in no way "unsanitary"… That comment is absolutely absurd! And FYI, men insisting on swinging their tesitcles around is very different from multiple elections, votes and the MAJORITY OF SOCIETY deciding that it was a basic human right….. In CA, state law says that a woman may breastfeed her baby in any place that she and her baby are authorized to be. Get over it. You see more skin on Primetime TV! Or the beach, or walking around target! Whether you like it or not, breastfeeding in public is legal, but you don't have the right to bully or harass us for doing so.
Breastfeeding, if you can do it, is the absolute BEST thing for your baby. A woman has breasts to breastfeed how do you think the human race survived? Breastfeeding! If breastfeeding in public bothers you, don't look!
So some of you would want your hungry child to not be fed when they need to eat? We're talking about an infant here. They have no reasoning ability. They don't understand that they'll be fed *soon* while they are taken to hide from people who don't want to see them be fed. The only thing they understand is that they aren't being fed when they NEED to eat. Their needs aren't being met. And they trust their parents a little less each time.
As far as indecency, women *are* discrete when nursing. The mom in Houston WAS using a cover. Even without a cover, there's not much to see. Most moms nurse without even a sliver of skin exposed. Those not comfortable **watching a mother feed** don't have to sit and WATCH her. If you happen to glance at someone who you suspect may be feeding a hungry baby, be happy you aren't having to listen to the baby starving and screaming.
Thankfully, breastfeeding IS legal. Child neglect is not.
"breastfeeding IS legal. Child neglect is not."
I am amazed at these comments. I don't need to belittle any one as they are all entitled to their opinions, but I can't help but shake my head at some people ignorance. I am proud to be a breast feeding mom of a 2 yr old and proud to use public displays of affection and nurturing for my son. Breast feeding is healthy and normal. It's only sick and twisted people in our society that make breasts only function to be sexual. Me "whipping 'em out" in public is not the same as someone peeing in the public. Breast feeding is building better babies, and these babies will grow up to respect and appreciate their loving beginnings. Congrats girls on taking a stand in something so perfectly normal.
I am a PROUD breastfeeding mama who participated in my local Target nurse-in. To those of you who think I should stop what I'm doing to go feed my child somewhere private, why don't you go eat your next meal in a fitting room, bathroom, car, etc. You closed minded people are the reason such a natural thing is being discriminated against. As for the mother who said she breastfed all 4 of her children without nursing in public, I truly feel sorry for you. Obviously the public got to you and warped your mind into thinking something so natural was wrong and that you had to hide away or feed from a bottle. I honestly hope that if you have daughters you haven't poisoned their minds with such unnatural habits.
Before I had a child, I was ignorant and worried about breastfeeding. The thought of a baby sucking on my breast freaked me out. This is because we live in a culture where breasts are sexualized – the main purpose (we are taught through media and sexist attitudes) are for sexual enjoyment. Also, all the nursing moms I knew nursed in private. As a product of this environment, I had no connection to the breast's real purpose, which is to feed a child and sustain the human race.
Now, after having a child, those thoughts are a very distant memory. It seems bizarre to me that I even thought of breastfeeding as weird. I only thought that because it was unfamiliar to me compared with all the other things I was USED to seeing breasts do. The truth is, when you are a mother, the only thing you should be thinking about is 1) I need to feed my child when he or she is hungry and 2) breast milk is PROVEN to be the absolute BEST food for your infant. Breastfeeding is INSTINCTUAL for both baby and mother. The baby tries to latch on minutes after birth. And if not, there is something wrong.
For those of you who have never breast fed, there is a whole host of logistical items that make using a bottle for the sake of other (ignorant) people's comfort very difficult. The easiest, fastest most beneficial way to feed your child is to breastfeed. Besides, I think that if you have never breast fed a child, you don't get an opinion here.
For those of you who are saying things like it compares to a man's testicles…sorry to inform you but a man's testicles aren't designed to provide the SOLE source of nutrition for a child who triples in size in the first year. They didn't have formula thousands or even hundreds of years ago. And now that they do have it, it is still an inferior source of nutrition for a child compared with breastmilk.
You should be THANKING breastfeeding mothers. Breastfed infants have higher IQs, have higher immunity levels, and are less likely to be obese and diseased. So a breastfeeding mother is doing HER part to try to give her kid the best change of being smart enough to become educated and hold down a job as well as stay healthy – all things that reduce the likelihood of that baby needing YOUR tax dollars for welfare, unemployment and health care costs.
If the biggest risk of breastfeeding is offending some random ignorant person, I will gladly take that risk.
If they are good looking boobs……….
Next time you're in a food court at the mall. look at the people walking around, what do most of them do when they pass the food court. They watch people eat, so if breastfeeding moms want other people to watch them eat, then let them breastfeed.
On the topic of sanitary conditions, And no I am not trying to be condencending here I just want to know (learn), but does the mom wash her hands before she eats her own meals? Does she wash her breasts before the baby eats? After all the moms breasts have been under a shirt and most likely in a bra for hours, so wouldn't that make a good area for bacteria to grow?
You ladies who support breastfeeding in public sound like you belong to the Le leche league. I used to belong to that organization until I realized they were the breastfeeding nazis. It all comes down to common courtesy for the general public and respect for yourself. When people eat in public they are not eating directly from body parts of other people. If your baby is going to get "nipple confused" then you should stay home until he is weaned if you don't want to give him a bottle. I nursed four kids and not one of them got nipple confused. If your baby can not drink from a bottle then you have no business leaving your home. What woman with a nursing baby stays out all day long shopping or doing whatever? That's just crazy and it isn't healthy for your baby to be out all day long. If he can't go three hours without eating you have no business leaving home. There are working women who have to express breast milk and have their babies fed with a bottle. They are not denying their babies the nutrients that breast milk provides. Don't tell me bottles with breast milk in them is going to harm your baby. You are breastfeeding for yourself, not your baby, he can have the milk in the bottle and you can hold him close to mimic breastfeeding. The breastfeeding in public crowd sounds like a bunch of bullies forcing their breast down everyone's throats. Your argument doesn't hold milk or water. Its ridiculous. If you insist on being inappropriate in public, then cover up for goodness sake so no one sees anything. Respect yourself.
any one who feeds their child on the dirty floor of a public building and in the danger of foot/ cart traffic should be reported to child protective services
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