The Mother: ( )  One might say like that... for the convenience of expression, I would say: the “Supreme” and the “creation”. In the Supreme, it is a unity that contains all the possibilities perfectly uniﬁed, without any differentiation; in creation, it is, so to say, the projection of all that makes up this unity by dividing the opposites, that is to say, by separating them (it is that which has been seized  by someone who said that creation is separation): for example, night and day, black and white, good and evil, etc., etc. — all that, but it is our explanation.


The Mother: The whole of it, all together is a perfect unity, immutable and... indissoluble. Creation means separation of all that constitutes this unity — one might call it the division of consciousness. The division of consciousness starts from the unity conscious of its unity, in order to arrive at the unity conscious of its multiplicity And then it is this path which, because of its fragments, is translated for us by space and time. For us, such as we are, it is possible for each point of this consciousness to be conscious of itself conscious of the original Unity.


The Mother: And that is the work which is being done; that is to say, each inﬁnitesimal element of this consciousness, while keeping this state of consciousness, is in the process of rediscovering the state of the total original consciousness — and the result is the original Consciousness conscious of its unity conscious of the whole play, conscious of the innumerable elements of this Unity. This for us is translated into the sense of time: moving from the Inconscient up to this state of Consciousness. And the Inconscient is the projection of the ﬁrst Unity (if one can say it; all these words are altogether senseless), of the essential unity which is only conscious of its unity — yes, that is the Inconscient. And this Inconscient becomes more and more conscious in beings who are conscious of their inﬁnitesimal existence and, through what we call progress or evolution or transformation, become conscious of the original Unity. And that, as it was seen, explains everything.


The Mother: Words are nothing.  Everything, everything from the most material to the most ethereal, ﬁnds its place there — clear, clear, clear, a vision.  And evil, what we call evil, has its place in the whole. It will not be felt as evil the moment one becomes conscious of That — necessarily. Evil is this inﬁnitesimal element  looking at its inﬁnitesimal consciousness; but as consciousness is essentially one, it resumes, regains the Consciousness of the Unity — the two together.


The Mother: It is that, yes, which has to be realised. It is this wonderful thing, of this I had the vision at that moment.... And for the beginnings (are they the beginnings?), what is called in English the outskirts, what is farthest from the central realisation, that becomes the multiplicity of things, and the multiplicity also of sensations, of feelings, of all... the multiplicity of consciousness. It is this act of separation that has created, that is creating the world constantly and that is creating everything at the same time: suffering, happiness, everything, everything that is created through this... what might be called “diffusion”; but it is absurd, it is not a diffusion — we ourselves live in the sense of space, so we speak of diffusion and concentration, but it is nothing of the sort.  And I understood why Th´eon used to say that we were living at the time of “Equilibrium”; that is to say, it is through the equilibrium of all these innumerable points of consciousness and of all these opposites that the central Consciousness is rediscovered.


The Mother: And all that is said is stupid — at the same time as I say this, I see to what degree it is stupid. But one cannot do otherwise. It is something... something, so true, yes, so ab-so-lu-te-ly....  As long as I was living that, it was... But perhaps I could not have said it at that time.


The Mother: That (), I was obliged to take up some paper and jot it down, and in such a way that I do not know any more what I jotted down.... The ﬁrst thing written was this: It was the idea of the original Stability (one could say), which is translated in the Manifestation by inertia. And the growth is translated by change. Then came:  But it is gone, the sense is gone — the words had a sense.  They were the opposites (these three things).


The Mother: Then there was a gap ( ), and once again a Pressure, and then I wrote this:  ()  And that was a much more true expression of the experience, but it is illegible — I think it was illegible deliberately. One must have the experience to be able to read it.  (The disciple tries to read the words:)  Ah!


The Mother: It must be that. Rest and...  (.)  Is it not “power”?  Yes, that is it.


The Mother: It was not I who chose the words, so they must have a special force — when I say “I”, I mean the consciousness that is there (); it is not that consciousness; it was something that was pressing down that compelled me to write. (:)   The idea is that the two combined restored that state of consciousness which wanted to express itself.  It was on the universal scale — not on the individual scale.  I put a line between the two to mean that they had not come together.


The Mother: But you know, most often I do not remember what I have once said.   Yes. But this was really a Glory in which I lived for hours together this morning.


The Mother: And then all, all, all notions, all of them, even the most intellectual, all became as... as though childishness. It was so obvious that one had the feeling: there is no need to speak of it!  All human reactions, even the highest, the purest, the noblest, appeared childish!... There is a sentence written by Sri Aurobindo somewhere that was coming all the while to me.  One day, I do not remember where, he had written something, a rather long sentence in which there was this: “And when I feel jealous, I know that the old man is still there.”


The Mother: It is now perhaps more than thirty years since I read it — yes, almost thirty years — and I remember, when I read “jealous”, I said to myself: How can Sri Aurobindo be jealous? And so after thirty  years I have understood what he meant by being “jealous” — it is not at all what men call “jealous”, it was altogether another state of consciousness. I saw it clearly. And this morning it came back to me: “And when I feel jealous, I know that the old man is still there.” To be “jealous” for him did not mean what we call “jealous”....


The Mother: It is this inﬁnitesimal particle that we call the individual, this particle of inﬁnitesimal consciousness which places itself at the centre, which is the centre of the perception, and which consequently perceives things coming like that () or going like that () and all that does not come to it gives it a kind of perception that Sri Aurobindo called “jealous”: the perception that things are going towards diffusion, instead of coming in towards centralisation; it was that which he called “jealous”. So he said: When I feel jealous (this was what he meant to say), I know that the old man is still there; that is to say, this inﬁnitesimal particle of consciousness can be at the centre of itself; it is the centre of action, the centre of perception, the centre of sensation....  ( )  Yes, I could notice — it is the time when I do all my physical work — I could notice that the whole work could be done without any alteration in the consciousness.


The Mother: It was not that which altered my consciousness; what veiled my consciousness was seeing people: it is when I began to be here and to do what I have been doing every day: projecting the divine Consciousness upon people. But it came back... (how can one say it?) on the borders; that is to say, instead of within, I began to perceive it, when you asked me. But that feeling is no longer there — there was nothing  any more! That alone was there, and everything, everything has changed — appearance, meaning, etc.  That must be the supramental consciousness: I believe that this is the supramental consciousness.


The Mother: Yes, yes.  Yes.   There are no contraries.


The Mother: No not even contradictions; I say: no contraries. It is that Unity, it is in that Unity. And that cannot be translated by thoughts or words. I am telling you, it is... a vastness without limits and a light... a light without movement, and at the same time an ease... an ease not recognised as such. Now I am convinced that it is that, the supramental consciousness.


The Mother: And necessarily, necessarily that must change the appearances gradually.  ()  There are no words that can explain the magniﬁcence of the Grace, how the whole is combined so that all may go as quickly as possible. And individuals are miserable to the extent to which they are not conscious of it and take a false position in regard to what is happening to them.   it is


The Mother: Yes, that is it.  At instant. There is no other thing... When I was there, there was no other thing. And yet, as I have told you, it was the time when I was physically extremely busy — all the work was being done, without disturbing; on the contrary, I believe I was doing things much better than usual...


The Mother: I do not know how to explain. It was not, as it were, a thing “added”: it was quite natural.  Life as it is can be lived in that consciousness — but it is then lived quite well!... Nothing needs to be changed, what is to be changed changes itself quite naturally.  I am going to give you an example.


The Mother: For a few days, I had some difﬁculty with... I will not name him; pressure had to be put on him to correct some of his movements. Today he was conscious of it in quite a different way from the usual, and in the end he said that he was on the way to change (that is true), and all that not only without a word, but without any movement of the consciousness for putting pressure. There you are. That is a proof....


The Mother: All is done automatically, as an of the Truth without any necessity of intervention: simply to remain in the true consciousness, that is all, that is sufﬁcient.  But then, in spite of everything, the body kept just a little consciousness of its needs all the while (although it was not busy with itself; I was always saying: It is not busy with itself, it is not interested). But that is what Sri Aurobindo used to say: I feel I am still the old man. I understood that this morning, for it was no longer there. Well, this sort of a very quiet perception of what is still not all right — a pain here, a difﬁculty there — very calm, very indifferent, but it is (without its taking any importance), and even that gone, wholly swept away!...


The Mother: I hope it won’t come back. It is really... this, I understand, it is a transformation. One is conscious in a golden vastness —  my child, it is wonderful — luminous, golden, peaceful, eternal, all-powerful.  And how it is coming....


The Mother: No word is there to express it indeed, this wonder regarding the Grace.... The Grace, the Grace is a thing that surpasses all comprehension, with its clear-seeing kindliness.... Naturally the body had the experience. Something had happened that I will not tell you and it had the true reaction; it had not the old reaction, it had the true reaction — it smiled, with the Smile of the supreme Lord — it smiled.  That was there for a whole day and a half.


The Mother: And it was this difﬁculty which enabled the body to make the last progress, enabled it to live in this Consciousness: if all had been harmonious, things could have lasted still for years — it is wonderful, wonderful!  And how stupid men are! When the Grace has come to them, they push it away, saying, “Oh! What horror!”... That I have known for a long time, but my experience is... dazzling.


The Mother: Quite so.  Yes, it is our separated consciousness.  The whole has been brought with lightning rapidity towards the consciousness that will be the Consciousness of the point and of the all, at the same time.   (


The Mother: )  ( ) There, now I am writing today’s date.   19 November 1969, supramental consciousness.


The Mother: ( )  The ﬁrst descent of the supramental force was a 29, and this is a 19... The 9 is something to note there.... So many things there are which we do not know!


The Mother: ( )  I have already had the experience, partially, that when one is in this state of inner harmony and no part of the attention is turned towards the body, the body works perfectly well.  It is this... “self-concentration” which upsets everything. And this I have observed many times, many times....


The Mother: In reality one does oneself ill. It is the narrowness of consciousness, the division. If you let it work, there is... everywhere there is a Consciousness and a Grace that do everything so that all may go well, and it is because of this imbecility that all goes wrong  —


The Mother: it is strange! The ego-centric imbecility, it is that which Sri Aurobindo calls “the old man”.  It is truly interesting.   Progress is going on at a giant’s pace — that shakes the house a little, but it goes on at a giant’s pace. And for some, like X for example, it is very conscious.


The Mother: She had an accident in the knee long ago and this leg is a little weaker than the other one — there was a possibility of an upsetting. She noticed that so long as she had the correct attitude she, there was nothing, it seemed to have gone altogether. As soon as she fell back into the ordinary consciousness, the illness returned.... And she has had innumerable experiences. I found it very interesting.


The Mother: Others also.  And it is truly interesting. It is truly interesting because it has a clarity altogether limpid and obvious, because it is   When one has the consciousness (that is to say, as the consciousness grows more and more true — not something that is arrested, but a consciousness that is ascending), when you are within that, everything is all right; as soon as you fall back into the old consciousness, either unprogressive or progressing slowly and imperceptibly, then the disorder returns. And that is as though a lesson given in an altogether clear and obvious way.


The Mother: It is truly interesting.  And the body goes on learning. It learns very quickly.  ( )


The Mother: Surely a big stride will have been taken when man will naturally turn to perfect himself instead of waiting to ﬁnd perfection in others.... This reversal is the very basis of all true progress. The ﬁrst human instinct: “It is the fault of circumstances, the fault of people, the fault... this one is like this, that one is like that, the other one...” And this goes on indeﬁnitely.


The Mother: The, the very ﬁrst step is to say: “If I were as I ought to be or if this body  were as it ought to be, all would be perfectly all right for it.” If in order to progress, you were to wait for others to progress, you would have to wait indeﬁnitely. That is the very ﬁrst thing that is to be circulated everywhere. Never put the blame on others or on circumstances, because whatever the circumstances, even those that appear the worst, if you keep the true attitude and have the true consciousness, they will have no importance at all for your inner progress, no importance — I say this and I include even death.  Indeed, that seems to be the ﬁrst lesson to learn.


The Mother: ()  Sri Aurobindo had written (I translate freely) that the notion of sin has been introduced to hasten progress, and immediately () man saw sin in all others — he never saw it in himself! Sri Aurobindo’s sentence is charming, but I do not remember it.   I am receiving continuously, almost daily, the aphorisms of Sri Aurobindo, which I had forgotten completely. There were very interesting things....


The Mother: Some of them give me the feeling that they are a kind of transcription (one might say “intellectual”, but it is not that, it is a mentalised higher mind, that is to say, it is accessible to thought) of the experience of the supramental consciousness that I had, in which this difference of good and evil and all that, appears as childishness, and Sri Aurobindo expresses it in the aphorisms in a way accessible to the intellect.  Only... those who understand do not understand well! because they understand in the old way.  Do you remember these aphorisms? ...


The Mother: There is one where he says: “If I cannot be Rama, then I would be Ravana...” and he explains why. It is in that series.   ( )


The Mother: It depends upon the kind of movement, my child, and in which part of the being and what type of movement.   I am sure that each difﬁculty is a special problem. You can’t make a general rule.   (Mother laughs).


The Mother: Yes, yes!  Yes.  Yes, that is a general rule. The opposite is to be done: instead of driving it underground, it is to be offered. It is to place the thing, the movement itself, to it into the light....


The Mother: Generally it wriggles and refuses! But () that is the only way.  That is why this Consciousness is so precious.... Well, what  brings about the suppression is the idea of good and bad, a kind of contempt or shame for what is considered bad, and you do like this (), you do not want to see it, you do not want it to be there. It must...


The Mother: The ﬁrst thing — the very ﬁrst thing to realise is that it is the weakness of our consciousness that makes this division and that there is a Consciousness (now I am sure of it) in which that does not exist, in which what we call “evil” is as much necessary as what we call “good”, and that if we can project our sensation — or our activity or our perception — into that Light, that will bring the cure. Instead of suppressing or rejecting it as something to be destroyed (it cannot be destroyed!), it has to be projected into the Light. And because of this I have had for several days a very interesting experience: instead of seeking to throw away far from oneself certain things (which one does not accept, and which produce an imbalance in the being), instead of doing that, to accept them, take them as part of oneself and... ( ) offer them up. They do not want to be offered, but there is a way of compelling them: the resistance is diminished in the proportion as we can diminish in us our sense of disapprobation; if we can replace this sense of disapprobation by a higher understanding, then we succeed. It is much more easy.


The Mother: I believe it is that. All, all the movements that drag you down must be put in contact with the higher understanding.  Only, it is beyond the mind obviously. Because, as I said presently that the aphorisms of Sri Aurobindo were expressions understandable to the intellect — but all the same that  diminishes: it diminishes, it has no longer the dazzle of understanding without words — it is, there alone that things can be arranged.  Even when it is explained to oneself, it diminishes.


The Mother: One must say nothing. It is like () putting on a layer of paint that only distorts.  It came that way. It is in that way it happens: all of a sudden, and then it remains and does not want to go away until I write it down. It is amusing.


The Mother: It is amusing, because it does not correspond (I cannot even say what I am thinking of, because to say the truth, I think no more) to my experience, but to what the other has need of. The answer is dictated the other. The words, the expressions, the turn of phrase, the presentation differ completely according to the person to whom it is written. And that consciousness which is there () has nothing to do with it. It receives.


The Mother: It receives and then it comes down and it does like this ( ) until I write it down! It does not want to go away until it is written. It is very amusing.... In that way one can work hard without tiring oneself! ()  Take it! ()


The Mother: Ah, yes.  Yes, old things come up.  But do you not feel they are coming from above?


The Mother: Yes, and then?   Ah! That happens often.  But then it is the mind that interferes.


The Mother: That happens to me also. Sometimes I write and then send it off, and afterwards I remember what I had written, and I tell myself: “The devil! I should not have said that!”... And I ﬁnd out that it was all right — that it is the reaction which is a mental reaction.


The Mother: That, my child...   ()   Yes.... But when you turn upward or you aspire or you are like this, open to the supreme Consciousness, it is concrete?


The Mother: It is concrete? One must... You understand, there is only way, the ego must go, that is all. It is that. Only when, there, instead of “I” there is nothing any more: you know, it is altogether ﬂat like this ( ), having a kind of...


The Mother: it is not even expressed by words, but a very sensation of: “What Thou willest, as Thou willest” (the words become too small).   Indeed, to have a concrete sensation that this (), this does not exist, it is only used — there is only That. It is That which does like this (). This feeling of That, this conscious Vastness which ()....


The Mother: In the end you do see it (“seeing”, it is not a vision with images but it is a vision... I do not know with what! but it is very concrete, much more concrete than the images), a vision of this Force, this Vibration which presses, presses, presses... and then the world which wriggles under it and the thing which opens, and when it opens, that enters and spreads.  This is truly interesting.  This is the only solution. There is no other.


The Mother: All the rest, it is aspirations, conceptions, expectations... it is still the superman, it is not the supramental. It is a higher humanity which tries to draw the whole of its humanity upward, but that... that is of no use, of no use.  The picture is very clear, of this whole humanity which clings in order to climb, which seeks to hold like that, but which does  not give itself — it wants to take!


The Mother: And that, that will not do. It must do away with itself. Then the Thing will be able to come and take its place.   The whole secret is there.


The Mother: For example, all this side of humanity that wants to take things and pulls them up there ( )... it is interesting: it is interesting, but it is ! It is not that; all these possibilities must be exhausted so that something in humanity is able to understand... that there is only that ( ), and then to let oneself lie prostrate till one disappears.  Indeed, that is the most difﬁcult thing: to learn to disappear.   (


The Mother: )  Well, my child (), we shall get there!    Oh! But now the whole being (the body has understood it quite well), the whole being knows that comes to make you go forward as quickly as possible, everything: obstacles, contradictions, lack of understanding, useless preoccupations, everything, everything, everything to make you go forward; it is for touching one point, then another, then yet another, and make you advance as fast as possible.


The Mother: If you are not concerned with this Matter, how can it


The Mother: change?  And it is very clear, it is quite evident that all objections, all contradictions come merely from a superﬁcial mind which sees only the appearance of things. It is precisely to put your consciousness on guard against that, so that it might not be duped by such things and might see clearly that it is altogether external, superﬁcial, and that behind this, all that is being done is moving as fast as possible towards... transformation.  ( )


The Mother: Intelligence at its higher level understands very easily that it knows nothing and it falls quite easily into the attitude required for progress, but even they who have this intelligence, when it is a question of material things, have the instinctive feeling that all that is known, understood and founded on established experiences; and there you become vulnerable. And that is exactly what  the body is being made to learn, the uselessness of the present way of seeing and understanding things, based on the good, the bad, the fair, the foul, the luminous, the obscure... all these contradictories; and the whole judgment, the whole conception of life is based upon that (the material life), and it is to teach you the of this perception. And I see it. The work has become very acute, very persistent, as though you were called upon to go quickly.  Even the practical part, which thought that it had learnt how to live and know what is to be done and how it is to be done, must also understand that it was not the true knowledge nor the true way of using external things.


The Mother: ( )  There are even amusing things.... This Consciousness which is at work, it is as though “teasing” the body all the time; all the time it says to it: “You see, you have this sensation; well, what is its basis? You think you know it; do you really know what is there behind it?” and for all the small things of life, things of every minute.


The Mother: And then the body is like that ( ) and tells itself: “It is true, I know nothing.”  But its answer is always the same, it says: “I do not claim that I know, let the Lord do whatever He wills”, it is like that. And then, there is this thing (if that could be caught permanently, it would be good): non-intervention in the work of the Lord (to say the thing in the simplest way).  ( )


The Mother: It is demonstrated by the, by the experience of every minute that when a thing is done with this kind of feeling of acquired wisdom or of acquired understanding, of an experience lived through, etc., to what degree it is... one may say “false” (misleading, in any case) and that there is some thing behind  which makes use of that (as it does of everything) but is not tied to this knowledge nor dependent upon it nor upon what we call the experience of life nor upon anything of that sort. It has a much more direct, much more profound, much more “distant” vision; that is to say, it sees much farther, much wider and much in advance, something no external experience can give.... And it is a modest growth, without any outburst, not making a show of anything: it is a very little thing of every minute — every minute, every second, every thing. As though all the while there was something that was showing you the ordinary way of living, of seeing and doing, and then... the true way. Both, like that.


The Mother: For all things.   It is so to such a degree that the attitude towards certain vibrations brings you complete ease or it can make you completely sick! And it is the same vibration. Things like that, things bewildering.


The Mother: And every minute, it is like that — every minute, for everything.  Well, the consciousness here takes a certain attitude and then it is all delight and harmony; and the thing remains the same, but then (), a slight change in the attitude of the consciousness, and the thing becomes almost unbearable! Experiences of this kind, all the time, all the time... just to show that there is only that has importance, the attitude of the consciousness: the old attitude of the individual being () or that (). It must be (to put it into words that we understand) the presence of the ego and the abolition of the ego.


The Mother: It is that.  And then, as I have said, for all the actions of life, even the most ordinary, it is demonstrated that if the presence of the ego is suffered (surely to make you understand what it is), it can really lead to an imbalance of health, and that the only remedy is the disappearance of the ego — and at the same time the disappearance of all illness. For things that we consider quite unimportant, quite... And it is for everything, for everything, all the while, all the while, night and day.   And then it is complicated by all the misunderstandings and discontentments that come out ( ), as though they were unfastened and they came out, and all that falls at the same time in order... in order that the experience might be total and in all domains.


The Mother: It is as though a practical demonstration was being given at every minute of the presence of death and of the presence of immortality, like this ( ), in the things — in all things, the smallest and the biggest, and constantly; and constantly, you see... whether you are here or you are there ( ). At every second, as if you were called upon to choose between death and immortality.  And for that, I see the body must go through a serious and very thorough preparation in order to be able to bear the impact of the experience without... without any vibration of anxiety or recoil or... it must be able to maintain its peace and its constant smile.   (


The Mother: )  There are things... extraordinary things.  As though in everything we were required to live the presence of the opposites to ﬁnd... to ﬁnd what there when the opposites join together — instead of running away when they join. That produces a result. And that in the practical life.


The Mother: You know, my child, and in an way, I  — yes, I see, I feel: has been decided.  And everything has its reason for existence, which eludes us because our vision is not wide enough.   And you understand, life, existence, indeed the world itself would have if it were otherwise.  It is...


The Mother: it is a kind of absolute conviction. And I it. Yes, it is a thing I see.  How to say it?... I am now paying for this conviction!


The Mother: The body has difﬁcult moments, really difﬁcult moments in its transference of authority (what I call “transference”) and so, seen with the ordinary vision, that would be senseless because difﬁculties seem to increase with what might be called “conversion”; but... to the true vision, when one is the true vision, it is the remnant of Falsehood which is seen as the cause of all ailing (that which is still a mixed thing). And it is so even quite materially (morally this has been conquered long ago: desires disappearing, all troubles disappear; they are replaced by a smile constant and wholly sincere — not made-to-order or with an effort, but natural and spontaneous), I mean to say physically, materially: illness and trouble and all that. It is the same thing.   It is the same thing, only... you are less ready, Matter is slower to transform itself, so there is more resistance.


The Mother: And the only solution, at every moment and in all cases, is (): “What Thou willest”, that is to say, the abolition of preference and desire. Even the preference for not suffering.   In the microscopic.  And it is exactly what I was seeing, I understand why.


The Mother: The problem was there this morning: the individual consciousness, even when it is very wide, is not able to realise, that is to say, understand concretely, that it is possible to become conscious of all at the same time. For it is not of that kind. It has just the difﬁculty of understanding that Consciousness is conscious of at the same time, all together, in its totality and in the smallest detail. That...


The Mother: Ah! That makes you very quiet, very quiet.... I told you the other day that the body has had this experience of dying without dying, and the experience enabled the body to say: “Good, it is well and good,” to accept without... (how to say it?) without effort —. And then, it is gone. All the old illusion of disappearance with the dissolution of the body — that is not there since long, and now the body itself is completely convinced that even if it were thus scattered, that would enlarge its  ﬁeld of consciousness...


The Mother: I do not know how to explain, for the sense of the personal and the necessity of the personal for the consciousness has disappeared.  And I see very well that the body is quite aware that it is only because of its resistance — its resistance to Truth — that it can suffer. Wherever there is a complete adhesion, suffering disappears immediately.   (


The Mother: )  But it is the same thing for countries and states: it is the same change-over of authority. Instead of personal authorities, there is going to be a divine authority, and this very change of authority is creating the unspeakable chaos in which men live now — because of the resistance.  ( )


The Mother: The more a part of the being (whatever it is) approaches the time for transition, that is to say, the more it is ready for this transition, the more it grows in sensitivity. And so, at the time when one is able to go beyond the stage of problems and see with the universal vision, the problems acquire for the personal sensitivity a very sharp acuteness. This I had noticed before; now it is reproduced in the case of the body. It gains a sensitivity that is... well, terrifying.


The Mother: People who do not know why it is so are truly frightened.... The possibility of illness, of... And it is the same thing for problems. Only, for those who and have understood, it is the occasion for making the ﬁnal progress, to do this ().  In essence, that which still has the illusion of being something separate must dissolve.


The Mother: That must tell itself: “It does not concern me, I do not exist.” This is the best attitude that one can take. Then... it is taken up in the Great Universal Rhythm.   So long as the mind governs life with the presumptuous certitude that it knows, how can the reign of the Divine be established?


The Mother: How absolutely true!   It is wonderful. Wonderful!  One could say in conclusion that it is the faith of the patient which gives the remedy its power to heal.  If men had an absolute faith in the healing power of Grace, they would perhaps avoid many illnesses.


The Mother: You have seen the last aphorisms?   ( )  Today I received the news that X has passed away. She had gone through a serious operation, she recovered, came back home, she wrote to me saying, “I am getting better and better” ... and then, passed away.


The Mother: I got the news today itself. It is like that.  It was the same with Z, the same thing, a relapse. And it looks so much like... it is the effort against, yes, what Sri Aurobindo calls barbarism ( ).


The Mother: This seems to be... I do not know if it is refusal or an incapacity to come out of the mental construction. And the action of this Consciousness... (how to say it?) is almost pitiless in order to show to what extent the whole mental construction is false — everything, everything, even those reactions that seem spontaneous, all that is the result of an extremely complex mental construction.  Yes, it is pitiless.


The Mother: You are born within it and it seems so natural to feel in accordance with it, to react in accordance with it, to organise everything in accordance with it, so much so that... it makes you bypass the Truth.   It is even in the organisation of the body itself.   So the Action seems to impose itself with an extraordinary force and that seems (seems to us) pitiless ( ), so that the lesson might be learnt.


The Mother: I remembered the time when Sri Aurobindo was there....  Well, the inner part of the being was in a consciousness that felt, that saw things according to the higher consciousness: altogether different; and then, just when Sri Aurobindo fell ill and when there were all those things, ﬁrst of all the accident (he broke  his thigh)... then the, the body was saying all the time: “These are dreams, these are dreams, this is not for us; for us, the body, it is like that” ().... It was frightful!... And all that is gone.


The Mother: It is gone completely after so many years, so many years of effort, it is gone; and the body itself felt the divine Presence, it had the impression that... all must necessarily change. And then, some days ago this formation that had left (which is an earthly formation, of all humanity, that is to say, of those who had the vision, the perception, even only the aspiration for the higher Truth — when they come back to the Fact, they stand before this terribly painful thing, this ceaseless negation of all circumstances), this formation from which the body had been completely liberated has come back. It has come back, but... when it came back, when the body saw that, it saw it as one sees a falsehood. And I understood how much the body had changed, because when it saw that, it had the impression...


The Mother: it looked at that with a smile and the impression, ah! that it was an old formation with no truth in it any more.  And this was an extraordinary experience: that, the time for that has ended — the time for that has ended. And I know that this Pressure of the Consciousness is a pressure so that things as they were — so miserable, so small, so obscure, so... inescapable as well, apparently — all that is gone behind ( ); it is a past that has passed. So I really saw — I saw, I understood — that the work of this Consciousness (which is without pity, it does not care whether the thing is difﬁcult or not, probably it does not even care much for apparent ravages) is so that the normal condition should no longer be a thing so heavy, so obscure, and so ugly — so low — and that it should be the dawn... something breaking out on the horizon: a new consciousness — something more true, more luminous.  What Sri Aurobindo says here of diseases is just that:


The Mother: the force of habit and of all its constructions and all that appears inescapable and irrevocable in diseases, all that, it is  as though experiences were multiplied in order to show... in order that one might learn that it is simply a question of attitude, yes, attitude, of going beyond, going beyond this mental prison in which humanity has shut itself and of... breathing up above.  And it is the experience of the body. Before, those who had inner experiences used to say, “Yes, up there it is so, but here...” Now the “but here” very soon will no longer be.


The Mother: This is the conquest that is being done, this tremendous change: that physical life must be governed by the higher consciousness and not by the mental world. It is a change over of authority.... It is difﬁcult. It is hard. It is painful.


The Mother: Naturally there is breakage, but... But truly one can see — one can see. And that is the , it is that which will enable the new Consciousness to express itself. And the body is learning, learning its lesson — all bodies, all bodies.  (


The Mother: )  It is the old division made by the mind: up above, it is quite all right, you may have all the experiences and everything is luminous, wonderful; here, nothing to be done. And the feeling that when one is born, still one is born in the world where nothing can be done. That explains, moreover, why all those who had not foreseen the possibility that things could be otherwise, used to say, “Better to depart and then...” All that has become so clear.


The Mother: But that change, the fact that it is inevitable, that is the great Victory: it is inevitable. One feels — one feels, one sees — and the body itself has had the experience that soon here also it can be more true.  There is, there is truly something changed in the world.  ( )


The Mother: Naturally, it will take some time before it is really established.   There, it is battle. From all sides, on all levels there is an assault of things that come to say externally, “Nothing has been changed” — but it is not true. It is not true, the body knows that it is not true. And now it knows, it knows in what direction.


The Mother: And what Sri Aurobindo has written in these aphorisms, just what I am looking at now, is so prophetic! It was so much the vision of the True Thing. So prophetic.  ()  And I see now, I see how his departure and his work so... so vast, yes, and so constant, in the subtle physical, how much, how much it has helped!


The Mother: How much it has ( ) helped to prepare things, to change the physical structure.  All the experiences that others have had, which were in order to come in contact with the higher worlds, left here below the physical as it is.... How to say it? From the beginning of my life till Sri Aurobindo’s departure, I was in the consciousness that one can go up, one can know, one can have all the experiences (indeed, one did have them), but when one came back into this body... it was the old mental laws, for-mi-da-ble, which ruled things.


The Mother: And then, all these years have been years of preparation — preparation — liberation and preparation, and these days now it has been... ah! the recognition, made by the body, that it has changed.  It has to be “worked out”, as it is said, it has to be realised in all the details, but the change the change is done.  That is to say, the material conditions elaborated by the mind, by it (), that appeared to be inevitable to such an extent that those who had a living experience of the higher worlds thought that one must ﬂee from the world, give up this material world if one wanted to live in the truth (that is the basis of all these theories and faiths);  but now it is no longer like that. The physical is capable of  receiving the higher Light, the Truth, the true Consciousness and of it.


The Mother: It is not easy, it needs endurance and will, but a day will come when this will be quite natural. It is just, just the door opened — that is all, now one must go on.  ( )  Naturally, what was established clings and struggles desperately.


The Mother: That is the cause of all the trouble ( ) — it has lost the game. It has lost the game.  ( )  It took... a little more than a year for this Consciousness to win this victory.


The Mother: And still, naturally, it is not visible except to those who have the inner vision, but... but it is done.  ()  It was this, the work that Sri Aurobindo had given me. Now I understand.  But it is as if from all sides — all sides — these forces, these powers of the mind rose up in protest — in violent protest — to impose their old laws: “But it was always so!”...


The Mother: It is ﬁnished, however. It will not be always so. There!  ()  Something of this battle had been going on in this body these last days....


The Mother: It was really very interesting.... There was outside, coming from outside, an attempt to submit the body to experiences in order to compel it to recognise: “No, what has always  been will always be; you may try, but it is an illusion”, and so something happened, quite a little disorganisation in the body, and then the body answered with its attitude: a peace like this (), and its attitude (): “It is as Thou willest, Lord, as Thou willest.”... Like a ﬂash everything disappears! And this has happened several times, at least a dozen times in a day. Then — then the body begins to feel: “There it is!”...


The Mother: It has this delight, this delight of... having lived the Marvel. It is not as it was, it is as it was — it is no more as it was.  One has still to ﬁght on, one must have patience, courage, will, conﬁdence — but it is no more “like that”; it is the old thing that seeks to cling — hideous! hideous. But...


The Mother: it is no more like that, no more like that.   There!  ( )


The Mother: And this also: how far, how far will the body be able to go?  This also, it is... peaceful and happy: it is “What Thou willest.”  ( )  All the rest appears so old, so old, like something... belonging to a dead past — that seeks to resuscitate itself, but cannot any more.


The Mother: And all, all, all the circumstances are as catastrophic as possible — the worries and complications and difﬁculties, all, all have risen up violently, like wild beasts, but... it is ﬁnished.  The body that all this is ﬁnished. Perhaps it will take centuries, but it is ﬁnished. For it to disappear, that may take centuries, but now it is ﬁnished.


The Mother: This realisation, altogether concrete and absolute, that one could have only when one came out of Matter (  ): it is sure, it is sure and certain one will have it  ( )  This is the fourteenth month since the Consciousness came — fourteenth month, twice seven.  (


The Mother: )  This is the fourteenth?  Then, it is interesting.  ( )


The Mother: How much he has worked since he left! Oh!... all the while, all the while.  ( )  It seems... it seems to be a miracle in the body.


The Mother: The disappearance of this formation seems truly miraculous.  And everything is getting clear.  We shall see.  ( )


The Mother: It was relatively quick.  ()  Well...   Yes, yes, exactly so. Exactly so.


The Mother: Exactly so.    Some are beginning to have experiences; some have the experiences but do not know! () It has some effect.  The greatest difﬁculty, as always, is the mind,


The Mother: That is the difﬁculty.... There are some who would go much more quickly if they did not have that. They have the feeling that if they do not understand mentally they have not understood.   ( )


The Mother: To express, there must be a minimum of mentalisation, and that is very difﬁcult because it is the body that is busy having all kinds of experiences and is learning, but as soon as it tries to express itself, it says, “No, it is not true, it is not so.”... ( ) It is like drawing geometrical designs with life. That is its impression.  Even otherwise, it is inexpressible, because it is multiple, complex, and if you do not lay it out in an explanation... it cannot even be said.


The Mother: And as you lay it out in an explanation, at that very moment it is no more true.   All these days, it is this experience of the consciousness that just a little displacement (how to say it?), just a little change of attitude, which cannot even be expressed, and in one case one is in divine bliss, and, things remaining the same, it becomes almost a torture! And it is constantly so. Well, there are moments when the body would scream in pain and... and just a little, just a little change, which is almost inexpressible, and the thing becomes bliss — it becomes...


The Mother: the other thing, it becomes this extraordinary thing, the Divine everywhere. And so the body all the while is moving from the one to the other, like a kind of gymnastic, a struggle of the consciousness between the two.  And it becomes extremely acute; sometimes there are seconds when the body says, “Ah! I have had enough of it, enough” and pfft! () Then, it is impossible to say. Whatever is said is no more truly true.


The Mother: And all the suffering vibrations are, as it were, sustained by the mass of the general human consciousness — yes, it is that.   And the other is sustained by... something that does not seem to intervene, it seems to be like that () in comparison with this human mass trying to express itself.... So it is impossible to say all that.  And constantly, constantly there is either this immutable Peace — this superlative Peace, which is greater than any peace that one can feel — and at the same time, one knows (it cannot be said “one feels”, but one knows) that so great is the rapidity of the movement of transformation that it cannot be perceived materially. And the two are conjoined and this body passes from one to the other, and sometimes... sometimes the two are almost together ( ).


The Mother: And then, it gives to the vision of ordinary things, that is to say, of life as it is, the perception — from the point of view, not divine, but as compared with the Divine — of a general madness, and no difference is truly perceptible between what men call “insane” and what they call “reasonable”.... Yes, it is ... it is comic, this difference that men make. One would like to tell them: “But you are all alike, in different degrees!”... So...


The Mother: And all that is a of simultaneous perceptions; so truly it is impossible to speak.  That, there is nothing there (), nothing passes that way, nothing is there. It is something... something that has no precise form but has experiences at the same time, with a capacity for expression that has remained what it is, that is to say, incapable.  (


The Mother: )  For example, there is, at the same time, for whatever happens, the explanation (“explanation” is not the right word, but after all...), the explanation of the ordinary human consciousness (“ordinary”, I do not mean commonplace, I mean human consciousness), the explanation such as Sri Aurobindo gives through  an illumined mind, and... the divine perception. All the three simultaneously for the same thing — how, how to describe this?  And it is constant, all the while in this way. And then that (), it is not in a condition to express itself, it is not the time for expression.


The Mother: It is so to such a degree that even when I write, it is like that. So I try to put whatever can be contained into our stupid formulas — and I put in so much! so much! which cannot be expressed through words — and then when they read out to me what I have written, I am tempted to say, “You are joking with me, you have taken everything out of it!”   I had an experience which was for me interesting, because it was for the ﬁrst time. It was yesterday or the day before, I do not remember. X was there just in front of me, and I saw her psychic being, dominating over her by so much ( ), taller.


The Mother: It was the ﬁrst time. Her physical being was small and her psychic being was so much bigger. And it was an unsexed being, neither man nor woman. Then I said to myself (possibly it is always so, I do not know, but here I noticed it very clearly), I said to myself, “But it is the psychic being, it is that which will materialise itself and become the supramental being!”  I saw it, it was so.


The Mother: There were particularities, but these were not well-marked, and it was clearly a being that was neither man nor woman, having the combined characteristics of both.  And it was bigger than the person and in every way overtopped her by about so much ( ); she was there and it was like this (). And it had this colour... this colour... which if it became quite material would be the colour of Auroville. It was fainter, as though behind a veil, it was not absolutely precise, but it was that colour. There was hair on the head, but... it was somewhat different.


The Mother: I shall see better perhaps another time. But it interested me very much, because it was as though that being were telling me, “But you are busy looking to see what kind of being the supramental will be — there it is! There, it is that.”  And it was there. It was the psychic being of the person.


The Mother: So, one understands. One understands: the psychic being materialises itself... and that gives continuity to evolution. This  creation gives altogether the feeling that there is nothing arbitrary, there is a kind of divine logic behind and it is not like our human logic, it is very much superior to ours — but there is one, and that was fully satisﬁed when I saw this.  It is really interesting.


The Mother: I was very interested. It was there, calm and quiet, and it said to me, “You were looking, well, there it is, yes, it is that!”  And then I understood why the mind and the vital were sent out of this body, leaving the psychic being — naturally it was that which had been always governing all the movements, so it was nothing new, but there are no difﬁculties any more: all the complications that were coming from the vital and the mental, adding their impressions and tendencies, all gone. And I understood: “Ah! It is that, it is this psychic being which has to become the supramental being.”


The Mother: But I never sought to know what its appearance was like.  And when I saw X, I understood. And I see it, I am seeing it still, I have kept the memory. It was as though the hair on the head was red (but it was not like that). And its expression!


The Mother: An expression so ﬁne, and sweetly ironical... oh! extraordinary, extraordinary.  And you understand, I had my eyes open, it was almost a material vision.  So one understands. All of a sudden all the questions have vanished, it has become very clear, very simple.


The Mother: ( )  And it is precisely the psychic that survives. So, if it materialises itself, it means the abolition of death. But “abolition” ... nothing is abolished except what is not in accordance with the Truth, which goes away... whatever is not capable of transforming itself in the image of the psychic and becoming an integral part of the psychic.


The Mother: It is truly interesting.   This Consciousness that came more than a year ago, a year and a half now, seems to be working very very hard, very positively, for sincerity. It does not allow “pretence”, that one should pretend to be that and not be that. He wants that the thing should be the.  It is an excellent mentor for this body, it is giving it lessons continually....


The Mother: I do not know if all bodies are like that, but this one feels just like a little child and it to go to school, it wants to be shown where it is making a mistake and to learn everything. And it is learning constantly. But whatever comes from outside... This is very interesting: the Consciousness, the Consciousness there () is inﬂuenced by nothing:  it is the witness, it sees, but does not receive; the body still receives vibrations: when certain people come and sit before me, all of a sudden there are pains, things do not go well, but the body knows now (naturally it knows that it is suffering), but it does not blame others, it blames itself; it takes that as indicating the points that are still not solely under the divine inﬂuence.


The Mother: And from this point of view the thing is very interesting.... It knows the distance there is between the consciousness of the being which uses it and itself, and it does not suffer for that but is full of a perfect humility, a perfect modesty. And it is not surprised, it is not anxious, because it is: “Let Thy will be done; it is not my affair, I am not capable of judging and I do not try — let Thy will be done.” So, the body is like that ( ). And when it disappears, when it is wholly,  wholly surrendered, does no more exist by itself, then the Force passing through it becomes... sometimes formidable.


The Mother: Sometimes one can see, the witness consciousness can see that there should truly be no limit to the possibilities. But it is not yet that, it is far from that.... It comes as an example of what can be. But... before it becomes spontaneous and natural...


The Mother: ()  Do you have anything to say?   Ah! It is true that much of the activity I have left to this Consciousness.


The Mother: This is true. I let this Consciousness work actively, because... I found that truly it knows. Otherwise, the feeling of nearness with you is much stronger than before — very much stronger. I have almost the feeling that I am moving within you, which I did not have before.


The Mother: But perhaps, before, my consciousness used to put a pressure upon yours; now it must not be doing that any more, because... it is as though I was doing it from within.  Yes, it is that.   It may have become impersonal. I have the feeling that even the consciousness of the body has a minimum of the personal in it. At times I no longer have the feeling of the limits of my body....


The Mother: I do not know how to say it.... Yes, it is that, it is almost as though it had become ﬂuid. And there any personal action. But precisely, inside (I do not know how to explain), it is not even something like a person who has become so big as to take others within herself, it is not that: it is a force, a consciousness which is over everything. I do not feel any limit, I feel it is a thing spread out, even physically....


The Mother: It is because of this that if someone comes with a very active critical sense, wanting to observe and judge, it is as though he enters within, you understand, and that upsets one inside.  I do not think the action gives the feeling of a personal action — since long it has been so (that is to say, since the beginning of the year at least). When people write to me saying that they felt I had done this or that for them, I am always taken by surprise.  If they said, “The Force has done that” or “The Consciousness has done that”, that would appear to me more natural.  What speaks, what observes is a centre of consciousness that is there (), but naturally not localised: for communicating through the mouth and the senses, it is there ().


The Mother: But that has not the character of a personality.  ... Well, when I am asked the question, “How do you see that?” it takes me a moment to understand the question. I do not feel that it is a person who sees.  Some experiences make me think that this sense of personal limitation is not necessary for physical existence; it is a thing that has to be learnt, but it is not necessary.


The Mother: It was always felt that a deﬁned body was necessary to form separate individualities — it is not necessary. One can live physically without that, the  body can live without that.... Spontaneously, that is to say, left to its old habits and ways of being, it is difﬁcult; it produces an inner organisation that looks very much like disorder — it is difﬁcult. Well, the problems come up all the while, for everything — there is not a single activity of the body which does not face the question raised by this. The process is no longer the old one, it is no more what it was; but as it is, it has not become a habit, a spontaneous habit; that is to say, it is not natural, it requires the consciousness to be always on the watch — for everything, even for swallowing food.


The Mother: And that makes life a little difﬁcult — particularly, yes, particularly when I am seeing people. I see a huge number of people (forty, ﬁfty people every day) and each one brings something which necessitates that this Consciousness that works out all this has to adapt itself to the things coming from outside.... And I see, many people fall ill (or think they are ill or seem to get ill or are really so), but it becomes concrete in the body through their way of being, which is the old way; for this new physical consciousness, it can be avoided, but, oh! it means such a difﬁculty. One must maintain, through a sort of conscious concentration, a condition, a way of being which is not natural according to the old nature, but which is evidently the new way of being. But in that way, illness can be avoided.


The Mother: But it is almost a Herculean task.  It is difﬁcult.  You understand, all the impossibilities, all the “that cannot be, that cannot be done”, all that has been swept away; but it is swept away in principle, and it is busy trying to become a fact, a concrete fact.  This is quite recent, that is, after the beginning of this year.  And then, there is all the old habit — one might say, ninety years of habit.


The Mother: But the body knows, it knows that it is only a habit.   In physical vision a much more continued concentration is needed. Physical sight serves to stabilise. It gives a continuity to things. It is the same thing with regard to hearing.


The Mother: So, when they are not there any more, one becomes directly conscious of the thing, and that gives the true knowledge. The Supramental will surely act in that way.  Physical sight and hearing have been thrown into the background to make room for identiﬁcation by consciousness, for the sake of the growth of consciousness.  The means for relating, knowing, is consciousness identifying itself with the thing or the person. Instead of having the normal sense of separation, there is the sense of constant union.


The Mother: There are experiences altogether interesting. There are people who call me and think of me. That comes into the ﬁeld of my consciousness. And after a time I am told, “Such a person has come” or “Something has happened to such a person”, and I say, “I know.” At the time the thing had happened, I was not told anything, but I was conscious as though the thing had happened in a part of my own being.


The Mother: One of my legs had been dead for a long time (it is just beginning to revive), paralysed. One leg. So naturally, all became difﬁcult.... But what was remarkable, I can tell you immediately, is that the consciousness established there ( ) became more and more strong, more and more clear; and it was. I worked, I continued to work, not only for India but for the world and in constant relation (“consulted”, you understand), actively.


The Mother: About transformation, well, I do not know.... What I have explained about “replacement of consciousness” is being done methodically, methodically, continually, continually, but then with... apparent damages or in any case, for a time, a great diminution of capacities. But it is a curious phenomenon with the sight and hearing: from time to time it is clear, as clear as it can be, and from time to time it is completely veiled. And that has very very clearly another origin — another origin of inﬂuence. It will take months, I believe, before I am able to see clearly.


The Mother: In any case, the general consciousness (), what may be called the universal consciousness (in any case the terrestrial consciousness), has not moved for a minute — not for a minute. It remained there all the while.  You have seen this note?  What did you think of it?   It is a new functioning.


The Mother: It is interesting.   Yes, altogether — altogether. It is very strange.... Actually, all this time has been utilised for developing the consciousness of the physical being.


The Mother: And this physical being ( ) seems really to have been prepared for another consciousness, because there are things... its reactions are altogether different, its attitude is different. I have passed through a period of total indifference when the world represented nothing, meant nothing. And then, gradually, from there emerged a new perception, as it were. It is only on the way.


The Mother: But it was not an innocent paralysis! For at least three weeks — at least — for three weeks, a constant pain, night and day, twenty-four hours out of twenty-four, without ﬂuctuation, none: it was as though I was being torn asunder.... So there was no question of seeing anybody. Now it is ﬁnished .


The Mother: The pain is quite bearable and the body has resumed a little of its normal life.  But I wanted to tell you that my consciousness was all the time active with you. Did you feel it?   Ah!


The Mother: That’s it then.  It is good.   Yes, yes. I too took it in that way.


The Mother: It was not only the leg, but the lower part of the leg ().... But I  noticed how things, the so-called catastrophes or calamities or misfortunes or difﬁculties, how all that comes in the nick of time to help you — as it is needed to help you.... Indeed, all that which in the physical nature belonged still to the old world, to its habits, its ways of doing and being, its ways of acting, all that could not be “handled” in any other way than this: through illness.  I cannot say that it has not been interesting.  But I, on my side, kept contact with everyone even physically — I do not know if they remained conscious or not, but I kept contact with everybody.


The Mother: It depends on the receptivity of people.  I did not feel at all that there was any rupture of relations or anything of the kind — not at all, not at all. Even at the time when, externally, I was suffering in that way and people thought I was wholly concerned with my suffering, it did not occupy me.  I do not know how to explain... I was seeing quite well that this poor body was not very bright, but that did not occupy me.


The Mother: All the while there was the feeling of this... this Truth which has to be understood and manifested.  And there was this note (how to say it?), it was the outcome of something and the beginning of something also, and in a very precise way. I do not know if it is understandable.  It seemed to you understandable?


The Mother: Yes, but this note is already a thing of the past, because I have begun again to see, but in another way. I have begun again to see and hear.    Yes, yes. Oh!


The Mother: That is very clear, very clear. What I need to hear, I hear, even if it is the slightest sound; but all the noises of conversation, all the things that make so much noise, I do not hear at all!... Something has changed. But it is old — it is old, that is to say, old habits are there. But happily, I was not a person of habits....


The Mother: Yes (), you can say: it is something tough that is in the process of changing! So it is not supple, it is not easy.  But the change is there, the change is evident. I have changed , even as regards character, as regards understanding, as regards the vision of things — much, very much.... There has been wholly a regrouping.


The Mother: Only, I did not know how to make use of this note in an understandable way.  It is all right. It is simply not to let people down in that way: all at once, nothing more. Afterwards, one is so far away that people do not understand at all.  (


The Mother: )  Yes, yes.  Yes, yes; exactly so.   ( )


The Mother: The world is in a frightful condition.  Yes, yes, yes, just so. Yes.   Yes, yes, quite near at hand.


The Mother: ()  There was a whole period when I was absolutely inaccessible because I was suffering continuously — one is worthless then.  It was continuous, continuous. One might say that it was but a cry all the while. It lasted a long time, lasted several weeks.


The Mother: I did not count. Then gradually, it alternated with moments of calmness when I had no feeling of my leg. And it is only for the last two or three days that it looks as if it is being put back in order.... Yes, it was such... it was the whole problem of the world — a world that is nothing but pain and suffering, and a big note of interrogation: why?


The Mother: I tried all the palliatives that one uses: to change the pain into pleasure, to remove the capacity of feeling, to occupy oneself with some other thing.... I tried all the “tricks” — not a single one succeeded! There is something in the physical world as it is which is not... (how to explain?) which is not yet open to the divine Vibration. And it is this something which does all, all, all the evil....


The Mother: The Divine Consciousness is not felt. And then, any number of imaginary things (but very real to the sensation) exist, and that thing, the only true thing is not felt.... But now it is better. It is better.  It is truly interesting.


The Mother: I believe something may have been done on the general score — it was not merely the difﬁculty of  one body or one person: I believe something has been done to prepare Matter to receive as it must, in a suitable way — it was as though it received in a wrong way and it has learnt to receive in the right way.  It will come. Perhaps, I do not know if it will take months or years for the thing to become clear.  I do not remember what it is.  Yes, it is all right!


The Mother: It gives courage to people.   Yes.  Yes, you are right. You are right.


The Mother: As for me, one must be absolutely blind not to see it. It has reached that point.    (Mother nods approvingly.)  Yes?...


The Mother: ( ) Possibly!   Oh!


The Mother: But my way of seeing is not the same.  I believe I see... most exactly, it is their condition, the state in which they are. Especially, there are some who seem as though closed, who, as far as I am concerned, do not see, who are altogether in their outward consciousness; and then there are those who are open — there are... some children, a remarkable thing, who were as though entirely open ( ), ready to absorb. It is particularly the receptivity of people which I see, the state in which they are: those who come with an aspiration, those who come with a curiosity, those who come... as though with a kind of obligation, and then there are those who thirst for light — there are not many of them, but there are quite a few children.


The Mother: Today I saw one who was charming! ... Oh, wonderful!  And I see only that. Not what they think, what they say (all that appears to me superﬁcial, uninteresting); it is the state of receptivity in which they happen to be. It is that particularly which I see.


The Mother: ()  I believe really that it is among the children that will be found those who can begin the new race. Men are... crusted over.  Well, I am constantly struggling against people who have come here so that they may be comfortable and “free to do whatever they like”, so... I tell them, “The world is big enough, you can go out” — there is no soul, no aspiration, nothing.


The Mother: You know my feeling? They are all, all old and I am the only one to be young! It is that, yes, this ﬂame, this will... what they call “push”. To be satisﬁed with petty personal satisfactions... which take you nowhere, busy with what they are going to eat, oh!...


The Mother: I have the feeling that now there is a sort of “display” (you know, “display”?), a show of all that should not be.  But the ﬂame, the ﬂame of aspiration (), there are not many who bring it.  Provided they are what they call “comfortable”, it is all they need — and free to do some nonsense which they would not do in the world!... On the other side, one feels that to hasten the coming — one hasten it if one were... if one were a conqueror!   Yes, oh, yes!


The Mother: ( )  Since the morning, it has been like that — strikes, quarrels, disorders.... And then the feeling that order must be re-established with the help of those who have created the disorder.


The Mother: That is the thing to be done. Instead of the basis of ordinary goodwill and all the moral and social rules — all that dashed to the ground — one must rise above, the divine Will and the divine Harmony must be there, it is that which we want; and then those who have revolted against the ordinary law of things and the ordinary social conventions: prove that you are in relation with a higher consciousness and a truer truth.  It is time to do it ().  And from the point of view of organising power, it is a power... extremely powerful. It is a wonder.


The Mother: And then, if this power is placed at the disposal of the higher order, the truer consciousness, something can be done.  One must... must make a leap upward.   All the people who want to re-establish order pull backward into all the old ideas — that is why they never succeed. That is ﬁnished, ﬁnished for good.


The Mother: We go upward. Only they who rise can act.   ( )


The Mother: You have nothing? Nothing to ask?   There is only one direction — towards the Divine. And as you know, it is as much inward as it is outward, as much upward as downward. It is everywhere.


The Mother: It is in the world as it is that one must ﬁnd the Divine and cling to Him — to Him alone; there is no other way.   If the Lord wants success for us, There is the possibility of a tre-men-dous success — not in the air, but here. The whole thing is to know whether the time for that success has come.  ( )


The Mother: Everywhere there is the possibility, I tell you, of an... extraordinary success. Has the moment come? I do not know.... As for myself, I make myself like this (), physically quite small, and I leave... ( ).


The Mother: You see, there is the Will that is coming down and then there are all these formations that get in and delay its execution — I would like, I would like my atmosphere to be... a limpid, altogether limpid transmitter. I do not try even to know what it is, for that too brings in an ordinary humanity.... The limpid, limpid transmitter: let it come like that (), pure, in all its purity — even if it be formidable.  In reality, we do not know why this is like that, why that is like that, and we have a vision...


The Mother: even if our vision englobes the earth, it is so small, so small — so exclusive: we want this, we do not want that.... First of all, the thing is to make the instruments... one must be, limpid, letting things pass without deformation, without obstruction .


The Mother: Indeed, I am spending my time at that: trying to be like that.   Yes.    Oh!


The Mother: You know... all the circumstances seemed to organise themselves for a catastrophe.  Only a few days ago it was as though the catastrophe was impending. And then, at that moment, my whole being was, as though... (how to say it?) it was, yes, one might call it an aspiration for the true Victory, not that which this one wants or that one wants or... but the real Victory. It is this which seems to have brought in the difﬁculties — And then, all at once there appeared as though a light: the possibility of the Victory.


The Mother: It is still... it is not miraculous, but it is the Intervention... the intervention of the Supreme Wisdom. Will it be concrete? We will see. It seems to come, it seems to come in this way ( ), as a possibility.


The Mother: No, it is recent, quite recent. I cannot say, for it did not come suddenly, but it is a question of days.   That is a bad attitude.  All that does not want the Divine creates this atmosphere purposely to discourage those who want the Divine.


The Mother: You must... you must not pay attention. That, that is the way of the devil.  Pessimism is the demon’s weapon and he senses his situation  (). Well, if what I see as possible is realised, it will be truly a decisive victory over the adverse forces — naturally, he defends himself as best he can....


The Mother: That, it is always the devil; as soon as you see even the tail of pessimism, it is the devil.  That is his great weapon.   There is a rush of adverse forces. A mad rush. But the Response has started coming — it is just a small beginning.


The Mother: In everyone it was as though a hurricane — it has not gone completely. All that was believed to have been conquered and repulsed, rushes back again — in the most unexpected persons — in all forms, but especially in character, oh!... doubts and revolts and all that....   ( )


The Mother: A message was asked from me for the whole of India. I have given it. ( )  It is a terrible onrush of Falsehood.


The Mother: It was as though the whole world, everyone were lying, even the most unexpected people — everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. And for me it was a living thing () oh! horrible, you can’t imagine.... A little twist to the right, a little twist to the left, a little twist... nothing, nothing, nothing is straight. And then the body asked itself, “Where is your falsehood?”


The Mother: It looked at itself.  And it saw this old story: “The Lord is to be called only when the matter is important! ( ) You don’t expect to be with Him all the time!”


The Mother: Then it got a good rap!... It was not aggressive, it looked something like humility — it got a good slap.  It was a mad fury of disagreeable things — more than disagreeable: truly, truly wicked and bad and destructive. A  fury, until it got the understanding. Then this feeling came in the whole body, in all the cells, everywhere, all the while — it reached such a point that I was not able to swallow when I was eating — until everything, everything got the understanding: I exist only through the Divine and I cannot subsist but through the Divine... and I cannot be myself but by being the Divine.


The Mother: After that, things were better. Now the body has understood.  ( )  You have nothing to ask?


The Mother: Nothing to say?  No, it is not true. This is part of the Falsehood; it is this Falsehood. There is no bad destiny, it is a lie! It is a real falsehood....


The Mother: It is not true at all, at all, at all.  There, that just gives you an example: it is like that, like that everywhere (). As for me, I feel as though I see goblins with hooked hands that try to clutch at everybody. Ah! You should have a look at them and then laugh — stick out your tongue, like a child with no manners.


The Mother: ( )   Oh!... I tell you it is a massive rush — but it does not matter....


The Mother: One must rise above, and then ( ).  What I have told you is the Truth, it is the remedy: To exist only for the Divine.  To exist only through the Divine.  To exist only in the service of the Divine.  To exist only... by becoming the Divine.


The Mother: There you are.  There is no “you”, there is no “one must wait”, there is no “it will come in its time”, there is no... all these things very reasonable do not exist any more — it is That ( ), like a sword blade. It is That. It is That : the Divine, the Divine alone.


The Mother: All this rubbish of bad will and revolt and... all that (), that must be swept away. And that which says that one shall perish or be destroyed by That, is the ego — it is Sir Ego that tries to be taken as the true being.  But the body has learnt that even without the ego, it is what it is, because it is that by the divine Will, not by the ego — we exist by the divine Will and not by the ego. The ego was a means — a means for many centuries — now it is worth nothing, its time has passed. Now...


The Mother: (), consciousness, it is the Divine; power, it is the Divine; action, it is the Divine; individuality, it is the Divine.  And the body has understood, felt very well; it has realised, understood that this sense of being a separate individuality is altogether useless, altogether; it is not at all indispensable for its existence, it is wholly useless. It exists through another power and another will which is not personal: it is the divine Will. And it will be what it should be only the day it feels that there is no difference between itself and the Divine. That is all.


The Mother: All the rest is falsehood — falsehood, falsehood, and falsehood that must disappear. There is only reality, there is only  life, there is only consciousness ( ): the Divine.   I have understood that if the Supreme Consciousness had for one single minute the kind of consciousness that men have, the world would be dissolved.... Quite spontaneously, for us, our reaction, our spontaneous reaction to things, to what seems to us bad, is to destroy what is false. The spontaneous reactions.


The Mother: Not to transform, but to destroy — you understand, there is a gulf between the two.  And it is spontaneous, this idea of doing away — doing away with falsehood. But if for a single second the supreme Lord were to have that movement, there would be no world any more!... And this, I believe the body has understood. I believe it has understood, it was extraordinary....


The Mother: What are we! What are men! They believe, God (), they believe... oh!... If they have a little understanding or if they put in a little effort for perfection, oh! () they believe they are, they believe they are extraordinary! ( )


The Mother: Somewhere Sri Aurobindo has said that when you are in touch with the divine consciousness, it gives you all of a sudden the sense... to what extent the world is ridiculous in its fatuity. The fatuity of men.... But even (I have had contacts with animals), even with the animals that has begun. Vanity, vanity, vanity, vanity....


The Mother: ( )  You know, deception and attempts at deception are taken almost everywhere as goodwill. And those who do not want to deceive but who deceive themselves are already exceptional beings.   These are not discoveries, but things that I saw; but they are seen occasionally, exceptionally, either for this or for that — but then, I had the vision of the whole world, of the whole earth, of the whole human effort, of all men, everything....


The Mother: We live in a deception... it is frightful!... And what is more, one deceives oneself even more than one seeks to deceive others.  ( )


The Mother: That is to say, we see as it is.   ( )  There is only one safety: to cling to the Divine, like this ( ).


The Mother: Not clinging to what one thinks to be the Divine, not even to that which one feels to be the Divine.... An aspiration... as sincere an aspiration as possible. And to cling to that.  ( )


The Mother: You know, one thing I have already told you, it is that now the body, the consciousness of the body, knows in advance what is going to happen, it knows beforehand what people are going to tell it. But it does not know... (how to say it?) exactly how it happens materially, but the in which it is done... constantly.... It is very strange. I am there, without moving, trying to belong to the Divine alone, and then things happen — they happen like this ( ), things come, objects, facts, people speaking.... And then, at ﬁrst I believed it was my material consciousness that could not remain silent, and then I found that it was coming from outside and it was getting materialised on the material plane.


The Mother: That is how, if I mentalised these things now, I could foresee, tell what is going to happen.... Only, in the ordinary man the  mind makes use of this for prophesying — but happily the mind is not there, it is quiet, it is absent. Only, when things are told to me or spoken before me, nothing surprises this body, it seems to know. Strange. A kind of universalisation.


The Mother: The body is becoming more and more conscious, but conscious in a very interesting manner.  For that one must mentalise, and I cannot.  ( )  I am beginning to know what is going to happen, what people are going to tell me, all that...


The Mother: how to explain?... It is as though I had become the circumstances, the people, the words, the...   The body is more and more conscious, but not in a mental way, not at all — but as... as things lived. I do not know how to explain.


The Mother: It is difﬁcult to say... it is to feel (but, really, I do not know how to explain that) how in manifestation the human consciousness deforms the divine Action ( ).... It is the constitution which is miserable. We belittle, we deform, we diminish everything. We know the things, the Knowledge is there, around us, in us — and we are so complicated that we deform it.


The Mother: Everybody is like that.... So it is at the same time like a very precise sensation of all that has been organised from within by the Divine within, and as it comes out on the surface it gets deformed. Said thus it is senseless, but this is the nearest way to say it. This is our senseless way of saying a thing which is... so simple and so wonderful!... We are so perverted that we always choose what is deformed.


The Mother: I do not know, even my words themselves are deforming the thing, but it is... something that I feel to be so simple, so luminous, so pure — so absolute. And then we make of it just what we see: a complicated, almost incomprehensible life.   ( )  Well, I am there, and there is such a mass of circumstances, complexities, people... all, all, such a confusion;


The Mother: and then there is as though behind... it is not merely a Force, it is a  it is a Consciousness — and it is like... it is like a smile — a smile... a smile that knows everything. Yes, it is that. Then when I am quiet (), it is as though there was nothing any more and all were wonderful. And then as soon as people begin to speak to me or as soon as I see someone, all the complexities come in — they make a mess of everything.


The Mother: I am sure that it is the passage from this life to that Life.... When one will completely go over to that side, oh!  all speculation will stop, all desire to explain, all desire to deduce, conclude, arrange — to all that there will be an end.... If one could ... be —, simply be, be. But for us (I have noticed it), if we do not speak, if we do not think, if we do not decide, we believe we are outside life....


The Mother: And then it is not always the same silence. The silence of the unspoken word, it is not that: it is the silence of the contemplation... that is dynamic. Silence of a dynamic contemplation. It is that.  Certainly it is the new mode of life that is preparing itself; therefore the other one must give place to it.


The Mother: One may say: nothing knows — nowhere, no one — but there are those who aspire, (how to say it?) who have the will, the pull, the aspiration, the need to know — to know and to become — and then there are those who don’t care a ﬁg for such things... who live, eke out their small or big existence — be it as a head of state or as a sweeper, that makes no difference. It is the same thing, the vibrations are the same.   So, anything new?  What?


The Mother: Ah! You are waiting — I too! ()  ( )


The Mother: It is as though all the ways of seeing the world were passing by, one after another: the most detestable and the most wonderful — like this, like this, like this ( ), and all of them come as though to say: there, one can see like this, there, one can see like that, there, one can... And the Truth... what is true? What is true?... All that ( ) and “Something” which one does not know.


The Mother: First of all, I am sure that this necessity of seeing things, of thinking things, is purely human, and it is a means for transition.  It is a period of transition which to us appears long, long, but it is in fact quite short.  Even our consciousness is an adaptation of the Consciousness — Consciousness, the true Consciousness, that is another thing.  And so the conclusion for my body is... (as well as I can translate it): to nestle in the Divine.


The Mother: Not to try to understand, not to try to know — but to try to... and to nestle. And I pass my time that way.  Not to “try”: one minute in this way ( ) is enough, and time no longer counts. Very strange, I  experiment with all the small movements of life; well, when I nestle myself like this, when I stop thinking, simply the consciousness like this (), all appears to be instantaneous. There is no time.


The Mother: When I am in the external consciousness (what I call “external” is a consciousness which sees the creation), then that takes time, more or less long according to the attention that is given. Then all, all appears... there is nothing that appears (how to say it?) absolute, in the sense of real — real, with a concrete reality — there is nothing that appears like that — except the unpleasant things in the body; then one is aware that it is imperfection. It is imperfection that makes it perceptible to the senses; otherwise it is like this ( ). And “like that” the Power is tremendous, in the sense that... for example, in the case of some people an illness disappears (and in fact without my doing anything externally, without even my speaking to the person, nothing, nothing — cured), in the case of another who wants to leave...


The Mother: it is the end, it is tilting over to the other side.   And so this other side has become at the same time altogether familiar and... absolutely unknown.  I remember a time when the memory of past lives, the memory of nightly activities was so concrete, this so-called invisible world was altogether concrete. Now...


The Mother: now all is like a dream — dream — all is like a dream veiling a Reality... a Reality... unknown and yet perceptible to the senses. I seem to be talking nonsense.  Because the thing cannot be expressed.  You asked me the other day (your question has remained with me), you asked me: “When I am like that, silent and still, what is it that is there?”... It is just an attempt (I cannot say it is an aspiration, nor can I say it is an effort — it is the word in English): the truth as it is.


The Mother: And not trying to know it nor to  understand it; all that is altogether beside the point: to be — to be — to be ().  ()  So it is altogether strange: at the same time — at the same time — not the one in the other nor the one with the other, but the one and the other, at the same time ( ): wonderful and frightful.... Life as it is, as we feel it in our ordinary consciousness, as it is for men, seems to be a thing... so frightful that you ask how one can live there even for a minute; and the other, : a wonder.


The Mother: A wonder of Light, of Consciousness, of Power — wonderful. Oh! Power! a Power!... And it is not the power of a person (), it is something...


The Mother: it is something which is all... And then one cannot express oneself.  So, quite naturally, what is most interesting is to ﬁnd That.   Quite naturally when I have nothing to do...


The Mother: ( ).  ()  Only Thou — that is all.  And it is quite evident that the creation has that as its goal, that wonderful delight... of feeling itself to be Thou.  (.)


The Mother: As for the body, it is being trained to live only through the Divine, on the Divine, for everything — everything, everything, everything without exception. It is only when the consciousness is linked as much as it can be with the Divine Consciousness that there comes the sense of existence. It has now an extraordinary intensity. When the physical will get converted, it will be a thing, you know, which does not move — and complete. And so concrete....


The Mother: The difference between being in the Divine, existing only through Him and in Him, and then being in the consciousness (not the ordinary, naturally, but the human consciousness) is so great that the one seems to be death beside the other, so much is it... That is to say, the physical realisation is truly a concrete realisation.  There has begun to take place a concentration of energy — oh! it is not yet that, very far from it, but... there is a beginning of the perception of what it will be. That, yes... it is truly wonderful.


The Mother: It is so full of power! So full of power and of reality in the consciousness that nothing, nothing else can have it — what is vital, mental, all that appears vague and uncertain. That, it is concrete (). And so strong.  There are still problems to be solved, but not with words nor with thoughts.


The Mother: And things are coming just to demonstrate — not only personal things but things all around: people, circumstances — all that, it is to teach the body to have the true consciousness.  That, it is... wonderful.  (.)  The problem seems to have been to create a physical capable of bearing the Power that wants to manifest itself.


The Mother: All ordinary body consciousnesses are too thin and too fragile to bear the  tremendous Power which must manifest itself. And so the body is in the process of training itself. And it is... you know, it is as though it perceived, all of a sudden, so wonderful, so wonderful a horizon, but wonderful tremendously; and then it is left to proceed as far as it can bear. A process of adaptation is needed.


The Mother: The transition... in full transition.  Will it be sufﬁciently plastic? I do not know. It is a question of plasticity.


The Mother: To be able to bear and transmit ( ), presenting no obstruction to the Power that wants to manifest itself.  The appearances are only the future consequences. That is why... the appearance will be the last thing to change.  (.)  That can continue indeﬁnitely... the feeling of having touched something and... ().


The Mother: What did you feel?  Yes. But that is what my body feels.   Yes, it is like that all the while.


The Mother: ( )  I feel... it ﬂows in this way ( ) constantly.


The Mother: (Mother laughs a great deal.)  Yes, I too do not... I am like this (): nothing, nothing, nothing, empty, empty, empty.... There ( ), there, it is...


The Mother: yes, it is a golden vastness.   ( )  I have a queer feeling that it is a kind of... as though the shell, or the bark of trees, the shell of a tortoise were melting, and the body itself is not like this ( ).


The Mother: That which to man seems like Matter is... as though something hardened that must fall away because it does not receive. And in this body, here (), it tries... it tries to (). Oh! It is strange, it is a strange sensation. If one could hold on long enough for the thing to melt, then that would be the true beginning.


The Mother: It was clear, very clear today, a strong Pressure to say: Victory, it is Harmony; Victory, it is the Divine; and for the body, Victory is good health. Each and every ailment, each and every illness is a falsehood. It came this morning. And it was so It was convincing.  So, it is all right.


The Mother: It is as though by the Pressure all Falsehood had come out.  The most unexpected things — in people, in objects, in circumstances. And it is truly... no imagination can equal that.


The Mother: It is unbelievable.   Oh, yes! Oh, yes!... It is as though there had been a poison, yes, and by pressing, the poison came out to disappear, and it is coming out!...


The Mother: Later on, one will be able to speak of it. It is truly interesting, truly. Yes, it is a good sign, a very good sign.


The Mother: Yes.  Yes, it is that. It is so.  We shall see. It is not time yet to speak of it.


The Mother: Later on.  Unbelievable, my child!  But a Power! Power, oh!... ( .)


The Mother: It is just the experiences I am having now.  The body is in a state in which it sees that everything depends simply on how it is linked with the Divine — upon the state of its receptive surrender. I have had the experience even during these last days. The same thing which is the cause of a — more than a discomfort — a suffering, an almost unbearable ailment, with just a change in the receptivity of the body towards the Divine, disappears all of a sudden — and can even move to a blissful state. I have had the experience several times.


The Mother: For me it is only a question of sincerity become intense — in the consciousness that everything is the action of the Divine and that his action moves towards the quickest possible realisation, in the given conditions.  I might say: the cells of the body must learn to seek their support only in the Divine, until the moment when they are able to feel that they are the expression of the Divine.  This is indeed the experience at present. The experience of changing the effect of things, that I have; but it is not mentalised, so I cannot tell it in words. But truly, the cells have begun to feel, ﬁrst of all that they are wholly ruled by the Divine (this is translated by: “What Thou willest, what Thou willest”), this state, and then a kind of receptivity which is (how to say it?) passive — not immobile, it is...


The Mother: probably one might say a receptivity (), but I do not know how to explain.  All words are false, but one might say: “Thou alone art” — yes, the cells feel: “Thou alone art.” Yes, it is like that. But all this, it is as though the thing got hardened — words harden the experience. There is a kind of plasticity or suppleness (a  trustful, very trustful suppleness): “What Thou willest, what Thou willest.”


The Mother: ( )  In a certain attitude (but it is difﬁcult to explain or deﬁne), in a certain attitude all becomes divine. And there, what is wonderful is that when one has the experience of everything becoming divine, all that is contrary disappears quite naturally, quickly or slowly, instantly or little by little, depending on things.  That is indeed wonderful.


The Mother: That is to say, to become conscious that all is divine is the best way of making all divine — annulling all oppositions.   I have as though the feeling that I know the why of creation.  It was to realise the phenomenon of a consciousness which would have at the same time the individual consciousness — the individual consciousness that we naturally have — and the consciousness of the whole, the consciousness (how to say it?)... one might say “global”. But the two consciousnesses unite in something... which we have yet to ﬁnd.


The Mother: A consciousness at the same time individual and total. And all this labour is for the sake of uniting the two consciousnesses into one consciousness which is that And that is the next realisation.  ( )  For us it seems to take time (it is translated for us by time), as though it is “being done”, as though something is “to be done”.


The Mother: But that is the illusion in which we are. Because we have not... crossed over to the other side.  But the individual consciousness is not at all a falsehood; it must be linked with the consciousness of the whole in such a way that it makes another consciousness which for the moment we do not yet possess. Not that it must abolish the other, you understand? There has to be an adjustment, a different aspect, I do not know... in which the two are manifested simultaneously.


The Mother: For example, at this moment there is a whole series of experiences about the power of creation that is latent in the individual consciousness, that is to say, the capacity for knowing things — knowing, or what we call “willing” — in the individual consciousness before they have come into being. We say “we will that”, but it is an intermediary, it is the consciousness which is  on the way towards something where it is at the same time the vision of what has to be and the capacity to realise it.  That is the next step. Afterwards...  So, for us, that is to say, for the individual consciousness, the thing is translated by time, the time needed for...


The Mother: I do not know how to say it.  I feel it like that: you are not this, you are not yet that, and you must not leave this to become that — the two must become one and form something new.   And that explains everything — everything, everything, everything. And that annuls nothing.


The Mother: It is a hundred times more wonderful than anything we can imagine.  The question is to know whether that () will be able to follow.... In order to follow, not only must it endure but acquire a new form, a new life. That, I do not know.


The Mother: In any case, it does not matter — the consciousness is clear and the consciousness is not subject to that ().  If that can be made use of, so much the better, otherwise... There are things still to be found.  Yes, things to be found! The old routine is ended.


The Mother: It is ended.  What is to be found is the plasticity of Matter, so that Matter is able to progress always. There you are.   How long will it take?


The Mother: I do not know. How much experience is needed? I do not know. But now the way is clear.  The way is clear.


The Mother: Very strange. The whole view of things has changed.... And then, forgotten.  So totally changed...  (


The Mother: ) It is as if the consciousness was not in the same position with regard to things — I do not know how to say it. So they appear altogether different.  ( ) I do not know how to explain....


The Mother: The ordinary human consciousness, even when it has the widest ideas, is always at the centre, and things are like this ( ). Things exist (all that one says only diminishes), they exist in relation to a centre. Whereas ( ). I believe this is how it is best expressed: in the ordinary human consciousness one is at a point and all things exist in their relation to this point of consciousness (). And now, the point exists no more, so things exist in themselves.


The Mother: This is the most exact thing to say. It is not that but...  So, my consciousness is the things — it is not “something” which is receiving, it is much better than that, but I do not know how to say it.  It is better than that because it is not merely “in the things”, it is in “something” which is in the things and which... makes them move.  I could say it in words.