"Today we write a new page for the Balkans. The hatred of nationalism, dispute and conflict will be replaced by friendship, peace and cooperation," Tsipras said.
I wonder why the Greeks accepted this ?
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Congratulations to the both countries. Finally this problem seems to have been solved. This is very positive for the whole region because it means one less problem in this region that has always been considered as the gunpowder barrel of Europe.
Now we hope for an agreement between Albania and Greece on unresolved issues, first of all regarding the Albanian minority that now lives in the Greek part of Epirus and in the Western part of Greek Macedonia, but especially the question of the Cham, Albanians natives of Epirus driven from their land after the end of WWII and many other issues.
It is not the Greeks who accept this.
It the minority of 22% that rules, plus those green pappers from Geoffrey.
67% in Gallup said clear No and 10 % I do not know.
where 22% rules the 78 %.
The new era of Makedonian struggle just Begins now.
Well the majority in Macedonia didn't like northern Macedonia as name either,but is mostly parliament decision,which to me seem right,people here in the Balkans are blinded by nationalism anyway.
The deal after all seem ok to both of the "offended" sides.
And what is your solution Yetos,do you think that Greeks can block a country from Nato and EU membership for life because of some name issue,because you feel "offended"?
I think that Nato decided that Macedonia as northern Macedonia soon will become a member.
Don't want to say this but even before a year, prior to the referendum in Macedonia for name change and ratification by Greek government i knew is done deal already,that Macedonia will changed it's name to northern Macedonia.
The Balkan man should learn for ones that we are nobody in the game of big and decide almost nothing and stop with ridiculous nationalism,move on and cooperate.
To be honest, I can not speak for most of the country. But even as an ethnic Albanian I understand what a sacrifice it is in the region, especially when it comes to pride. Knowing fully well how absurdly history has been taught in our schools.
But I think the main priority of people, and I mean collectively, at this point, is improving the level of civilization and interconnection of the area to the rest of the world. And I would trust the EU more than anyone as an actor in that regard.
For one, I say kudos to both governments, and I hope integration does not wait till next century.
Yet... corruption... above all, at a moral level is rampant in Macedonia. The Albanian party has been in power for 18 years on the back of nationalism. Yet without ever having any coherent platforms, and with completely unqualified hood rats at the helm. Cynicism, you can smell in the air.
As Jesus said "Love thy neighbor".
I don't know. Because Macedonia division is not like Thrace(Even Greece use name just Thrace, but only have East Thrace). Main core is in Greece, this is reality like how North Macedonia is part of Macedonia. Changing name of core as South Macedonia like it is just a part of it, I realy don't know. I guess, I am not supporting.
Macedonia is not one and Greek. There are several Macedonias. The other Macedonia is defined with the Bucharest treaty which bears our, Greek signature. When we hear the chant “Macedonia is one and it is Greek” it is seen as irredentism, as disrespect for the international treaties by our country. Maybe it doesn’t sound too good but it is the truth. Greek Macedonia is Greek, and let me clarify, it was MADE Greek, because until 1912/1913 and 1921/1922, when the refugees came, there was no Greek majority in Macedonia – only in some regions in teh south. So it was made Greek by a population exchange and through all the difficult events we and the other peoples from the region went through. So who are we kidding when we say “Macedonia is one and it is Greek?” Only ourselves, Filis said.
In my humble opinion, borders in the 21st century are more cumbersome than anything. As long as we work together through the UN and the EU, name your country unicorn for all it should matter. Rhetoric here is more important than anything. And trade more important even than rhetoric. Nations and people that do not have trade relations, seldom get along. Mutual interest is a good mechanism to stop the greater evil. Germany-France have proved this.
Greece will invest 10BLN in Macedonia, according to a lawyer acquaintance of mine. Since I got wind of that rumor, I was sure the name would get resolved.
If the trend sticks true. More people die in war from starvation than from direct conflict. Territorial claims are for warmongers only. Drinking the blood of innocent people.
Just based on the above points, I fully support your Tyrol model for Macedonia name. Then no one can have any territorial claim.
WHAT ON HELL WAS DOING THE US AMBASSADOR IN GREECE AT SKOPJIE PARLIAMENT THE TIME OF THE VOTE?
If it was done with some US interference they did it good.
And if you think that i care for the "foreign influence" nationalists seem to fight,but at the same time saying they are our allies.
I mean they are crazy.
for 30 years not a single shot or bullet.
and sudenly Tsipras and Zaev made peace!!!
Man I would rather have a German or a Chinese career bureaucrat over my head than Alia or Ilia ____ them both. Truth above all else, ____ the state of politics (more like tribal criminal alliances than anything else). Tbh I love more(honest to god), my Slavo-Macednonian neighbor than the imbecile at the helm of my country for 20 years. Who still claims his biggest achievement in 20 years, is recognizing Albanian as a "minority language in Macedonia"(with at least 25% of the population speaking it, have you, I am being generous with 25% take my word for it). Meanwhile anyone from Albanian to Macedonian in "North Macedonia", to Vallah to "whatever their heart wants" is fleeing for Germany, with their whole seed and any resemblance of what they have of worth.
These ______ have privatized peoples futures, asking for $5k up front for any Job no matter if you finished at Harvard or Columbia. Having had the chance to work at a ministry with plenty of tenders, the only reason I told the minster to "literally" ____ off was due to love for my own people. Regardless of language, or blood (again, take my word for it, honest to god) - ____ the current corruption in this "shithole". No country can have pride with cowards/imbeciles at the helm.
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WHAT HE ACHIEVED AT BALKANS???
to START A NEW FIRE IN BALKANS.
no matter Left or Right wing.
It was the last theatre of Civil War, and area from where the kidnapped children moved to Communistic world,.
BY CHOOSING PISODERI, IT IS LIKE SAYING, REVENGE OF 3rd COMMUNISTIC INTERNATIONAL AND Y DIMITROV's BLEND TREATY.
Pyatt as an idiot was present at Skopjie parliament, when they vote.
the stupidity of Kotzias, an ex-communist who took revenge for civil war lost of Communists with Pisoderi treaty.
We kick our king at 1974, cause he sworn and legalize the Junda, instead of protect the constitution.
you want to know what happens in Greece every night?
THAT IS AFTER THE OK FROM GREEK PARLIAMENT.
and when he realize what he did to his own people, it would be to late.
LOOK AT UKRAINE AND CRIMAIA RESULTS.
NOW THAT IS UNDER A DANGER.
they show only how ggod is the illegal treaty.
AND WILL BE UNDER UNDER SUPERVISION OF GREEK and International HISTORIANS?
DO YOU KNOW THAT PRODUCTS WILL HAVE THE SAME MARK.
MACEDONIAN WINE EITHER FROM GREECE EITHER FROM SKOPJIE?
why and for reason should be changed as today?
WHY PYATT NEEDED TO SCRATCH THIS WOUND TO THIS DEGREE?
WHY HIS PUPPETS TSIPRAS AND ZAEV ACCEPT IT WHITOUT CORRECT AND CLEAR REFERENDUMS?
ARE BALKANS GOING TO BE THE NEW SYRRIA?
is that the dream of USA ambassador G Pyatt?
to sell guns in Ukraine and Balkans?
and uses his puppets to do so?
What is the strugle for?
The FYR of Macedonia (to become North Macedonia) is the North Macedonian region depicted by a German historian in the 19th century, during the late Ottoman Empire. This geographical concept stuck for the last few centuries. However, it doesn't correspond to the historical region of (classical) Macedonia. This is almost in its entirety in Northern Greece.
That aside, I was supporting this agreement, not because it is historically accurate, but rather because I think that it will be good for the relations of both nations on the long term. And by that, I mean in a span of decades.
Ok you struggle for what?
What "historical" Macedonia has to do with region Macedonia? with Republic of Macedonia (North Macedonia) or with Roman Macedonia,those are 3 differents things.
This people "Macedonians" took a name for a nation from the region they live,and no one can dictate them how to call themselves.
If we look at history all the way back in time we can even find no "Macedonia" so?
Why all the times is the obsession with ancient Macedonia.The Greeks can have it who cares about ancient Macedonia,even thought that's also entirely different topic.
Even Greek Macedonia was also Ottoman empire prior becoming Greek with quite mixed ethnicities.
There you see reactions at Skopjie.