Ron Reed is a Karuk dipnet fisherman and a cultural biologist for the Karuk Tribe of California, where he develops plans for eco-cultural revitalization, leads youth cultural education camps, and fosters collaborative research at the nexus of traditional ecological knowledge and western science. Ron plays a critical role in increasing public awareness about the impacts of colonization on the spiritual and physical health of his people and on the ecological integrity of the Karuk ancestral lands. He is a co-founder of the Karuk-UC Berkeley Collaborative and works with the nearby tribes, UC Berkeley and the USDA on the Klamath Basin Tribal Food Security Project. In this episode, Ron talks with Devon about re-discovering traditional knowledge, the trouble with and power of expertise, and renewing the forest and our culture with sacred fire.