Is anyone honestly 'that' surprised? What was the delta between a base 2009 C6Z and the base 2009 C6ZR1? $72k vs. $103k?? That's a $31k delta. Not much different than now.
FYI - the delta between a GT3 and a GT3RS is over $30k.
Callaway is $17k for 100hp and some cooling. GM is asking $30k more (compensating for the CCB) for 100hp, upgraded cooling, more carbon fiber (expensive), exclusivity and no spats (LOL). All in all, doesn't seem that crazy to me. Maybe $5k 'too' expensive. Oh well.
Sure it's expensive...but this is what manufacturers do with their top of the line models. Look at Porsche...look at what Mercedes does with their AMG vs AMG-s package. They charge silly amounts for not 'that' much additional performance.
I'll say this...if this car challenges a GT2-RS in any capacity...and a McLaren 720s...then it's the deal of the century. Sure it's likely $10k more than many thought...but it's still a smoking deal all things considered.
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Straight line/quarter mile speed it wont challenge the 720s. There are already videos showing stock 720s running 9.70s and 9.90s with stock tires. My personal opinion is it wont challenge the GT2-RS on the ring either, it will be fast but not that fast, probably right around what the Huracan Performante did or maybe a couple seconds slower.
Ditto. Pricing is disappointing. For me it's not enough of an improvement to justify selling my 2017 C7Z for one.
I agree with you on the 720s comment...They are beasts that are more likely pushing 800hp. Hard to believe it's as fast or faster than a P1 with '200 less hp'...that's why I think they are a lot more than 720hp.
As for the GT2RS ring time...call me skeptical, but I don't think the GT2RS time is the same car you're getting at your local dealership, if you know what I mean. THUS, I think when they go to MRLS for an 'independent' test I think the ZR1 will compare VERY favorably. It has in the past with the C6, and there's no reason to think it won't now either.
Rick, I think you need to step back from the keyboard and take a break. Further, stop insulting folks on the team.
"Juechter said the ZR1 won’t be double the price of the Stingray."
That's all that was printed in Motor Trend's reveal. That's it. Period. Full stop. "won't be double the price of the Stingray".
And it's not. It's more than that. He revealed what he was allowed to at the time he was allowed to. Get it?
Yea the 720s is over 800hp at the crank. Two have already been put on the dyno and one was 680ish rwhp and another was 690ish rwhp. So unless McLaren has figured out some awesome technology that really limits drive train loss then they are definitely 800hp engines. It doesn't hurt that it's 3000lbs wet too. As for the GT2-RS I know what you are saying and I've heard other people say that. The same thing happened with the Huracan Performante.
My thinking on that is that there are enough 3rd party magazines and recreational drivers out there that will test this and while they might not be as good as factory race car drivers, they are good enough to where you can look at their times and the official times and see if something is up. But I think the ZR1 doing a sub 7 min time is definitely a possibility now. Which when you look at the price of a Perofrmante and GT2-RS(which will be impossible to get) it's a bargain for the road racer if it does sub7 min times.
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I respect you, your contributions to the forum and the help you previously provided me with a problematic car.
However, your constant condescending responses to forum contributors is getting old. Especially when you respond to valid comments/critiques. I haven't drank the Team Corvette Kool Aid as you have and will call a spade-a-spade. Your never ending support of the "team" is not always justified. Tadge consistently makes untruthful statements and should be held accountable for his words/actions.
The "team" does well on 90% of the car and then drops the ball on important items and falls short/lies trying to rectify. I spend a lot of money on Corvette's and as such have paid for the right to criticize/critique/comment.
I "get it", I'm just not sure you do as you have your Team Corvette blinders on. Your statement is just silly. I'm pretty certain people interpret Tadge stating it wouldn't be double the price of a Stingray implies it would be less.
Maybe it's time for you to stop the constant RAH-RAH-RAH, GO TEAM, even after the team fumbles the ball.
P.S. FYI, despite what Tadge has said my 2017 M7 still overheats on track and I believe there are a few people still waiting on the reasonably priced cooling retrofits he said would be available for 15 - 16 owners. I also saw his nose grow when he stated he wasn't aware of there being an issue with the cast C7Z wheels bending.
I won't even go into him stating he's unaware of there being an issue with valves dropping on the LS7 engines.
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I'm just looking forward to seeing what the LT5 engine can hold for more power.
We really do hope it doesn't run into the same overheating issues like the Z.
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However, your constant condescending responses to forum contributors is getting old. Especially when you respond to valid comments/critiques.
Not to be rude...but that's just business. Period. They will sell all 2000 units. Will you not buy another Vette because of it?
I'm with JVP on this...relax. It's not that big of a deal. The price is the price. All companies fibb.
We knew that! I knew that! That is why I rather have two Z06's 1 A8 and one M7. While saving a lot of cash!
for 68 with PDR and black wheels.
Sure they will get rid of 2000 of them. Because every car they build is gone to a dealer where they may sit a while. Dealers get every car GM makes. I don't think they will flying off the lots. The dealer mark-ups, The MSRP will go up quickly. Not sure on the demand either. Look at the Viper ACR a like car big wing with no demand.
Be interesting to see how they do sell!
With out possible mark-ups which the first cars should have.
119,995 GGT and A8 your at 124. Then PDR and comp seats your at 130k and still don't have the track Aero.
I don't doubt they will find 2000 buyers.
The first 1000 will fly off the lots or are already sold, the 2nd thousand if they have to discount, they discount.
That is assuming it is a 1 year only run.